Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

[Bill Ryan]

Hello, Everyone: this is a sequel thread to wnlight's earlier one here:


World-Wide City Population Changes by End of 2019 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102695-World-Wide-City-Population-Changes-by-End-of-2019)

If you've not seen that, do take a look. wnlight (Warren) is an experienced dowser, but no airy-fairy New Ager without any sense of reality. He used to work as a mathematician on US classified projects, and spent time with the famous physicist Richard Feynman at Fermilab.

He's pretty smart, and, as best he can, utilizes the scientific method in all his dowsing. One of the feathers in his dowsing-the-future cap is the correct prediction, which even he did not fully believe at the time, of Donald Trump's presidency.

For the last several years, his dowsing has consistently predicted very major sea level changes in 18 months' time. He does not know the cause, but has mapped it all out, in his own words, 'pixel by pixel'.

This is a new thread, because while he himself earnestly hopes he's quite wrong and this dreadful scenario does NOT come to pass, it may be very interesting to take that extra conceptual step (and a very deep breath!) and start to think as futurists and strategic analysts would.

IF this happens... WHAT THEN?

1)

A good reference may be the British TV drama documentary Threads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads), broadcast in 1984, depicting, in quite dreadful detail, the aftermath of a global nuclear war. Astonishingly, the only video I can find on the internet is this one. (Warning: it's very well done, and pretty horrifying.)


http://dailymotion.com/video/x121ctu

The title is clever, and thought-provoking. The reference is to the many thin threads that keep society together. When the threads break... everything breaks.

2)

Another is what one futurist calls the 'can of beans' principle. (I cannot recall his name, but I'll post it when it comes. :) )

You see a can of beans on the supermarket shelf. No big deal. But how did it get there? And how did it get made? For one can of beans, which you can hold in your hand and consume in a few minutes, you need


financial infrastructure
transport, including gasoline or diesel
electrical power
raw materials
water
healthy and plentiful people in employment (farmers, truckers and factory workers)
mining engineering (for the tin)
...and maybe quite a bit more.

So, here's my first attempt at a futurist's look at the aftermath of a catastrophic change in sea level and coastlines (a) with some coastal land lost, and (b) new land reappearing in various places, including in the Caribbean, Australasia, and mid-Pacific.

This is useful to start one thinking:
Hi wnlight
Hope you don't mind if I post your future world map (2019)...
If you do, then let me know & I will delete...

The World Map In 2019


The blue areas are land lost below the sea for the foreseeable future.
The green areas represent new land risen from the sea.
Red rectangles in the world map enclose areas of greater detail.

(Click on Map goes to website)
http://light.ec/EarthChanges/worldChanges2019.png (http://light.ec/EarthChanges/comingChanges.html)

1) Note the new land in green, especially the huge new island in the Pacific. That's as big as the US and China combined. (Maybe more.)

Who'd want to claim that? The US and China, for sure. Immediately, and both at once. And that alone might provoke a nuclear exchange, even if it was in that unpopulated area.

Rock covered by organic marine sludge would be quickly terraformed, and while that was in process, a bunch of military bases would be established and fiercely defended. Maybe by other countries, too, very possibly Russia. There's no precedent in international law for resolving ANYTHING like that.

2) The massive changes would wreak havoc to global finance. One might expect a catastrophic failure in global markets, with many exchanges suspended for quite a period at the very least.

3) Global weather would be affected. The new-look Pacific Ocean would change all that, and quickly. That would affect crops worldwide, leading to widespread famine.

4) Widespread famine would lead to widespread disease. (Ironically, maybe mitigated by the difficulty of or controls on international travel.)

5) Global shipping transport would be brought to a halt. Many sea ports would cease to operate (or cease to exist). Chinese imports? Forget it. Oil? Nothing from the Middle East. (A global war could even be sparked by a desperate competitive scramble for oil.)

6) Communications would pretty much remain unaffected, with the rider that there would be enough power to the main nodes of internet and phone. Satellites would probably be unaffected.

7) With sea level rises in some coastal areas (or, more accurately maybe, land sinking), it'd be reasonable to assume power grids would fail in many countries.

8) More importantly, many nuclear power plants would suffer the fate of Fukushima. We might end up with Fukushima x 100, or more, worldwide. There could be widespread nuclear fallout even without a war, and widespread permanent poisoning of the oceans. All seafood might be contaminated, another contributor to global famine.

9) With chaos in many countries — especially Israel and the Middle East — many weapons would be opportunistically stolen, including nukes. Genuine terrorist groups worldwide (including genuine freedom fighters) would see this as a unique opportunity to take advantage of the unprecedented chaos.

10) NWO advocates would also see the same opportunity, enforcing strict controls on finance, food and water, healthcare, travel, communications, and weapons. Martial law would be enforced in many countries simultaneously. Citizens would be begging their governments to 'help' them in any way that seemed possible.

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Do respond with your own analyses, building on all this. Regard it as a kind of video-game thought experiment. :) It's quite an interesting exercise. What I outlined above may just be a start.

[Bill Ryan]

And more, as if that wasn't enough! :)

11) It's reasonable to assume that, whatever mechanism produced the huge changes, that would be accompanied by significant volcanic activity and major earthquakes (including in coastal areas, leading to large tsunamis). That might do far more to wreck coastal areas than the sea level rises themselves. Looking at the map, the entire Pacific 'Ring of Fire' would presumably be ringing like a fiery bell.

[Bill Ryan]

6) Communications would pretty much remain unaffected, with the rider that there would be enough power to the main nodes of internet and phone. Satellites would probably be unaffected.


But, of course, major internet undersea cables would probably be broken, especially in the Pacific. That's quite a big deal. (Though if they're all ruptured because of new rising land masses, they might be quite easy to repair! :) )

[KiwiElf]

"Threads (1984)" seems to be a popular torrent, Bill - full versions here (46 seeds for the first one; 700 MB, 1hr 52min - no subtitles):

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6755877/Threads_(1984)

Three other choices (not so many seeds)

https://thepiratebay.org/search/Threads%20(1984)/0/99/0

A frightening & well-done TV movie IMO! (Some trivia - Thought I recognised the voice (uncredited) of the American President; the late Ed Bishop (Commander Straker from "U.F.O." ;))

On what might be a related note to the map in the OP, onawah has been regularly posting Dutchsinse videos of increasing pacific rim seismic unrest (earthquakes and volcanos):

Dutchsinse's Earthquake Reports and Forecasts
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98526-Dutchsinse-s-Earthquake-Reports-and-Forecasts&p=1228359#post1228359

[Bill Ryan]

"Threads (1984)" seems to be a popular torrent, Bill - full versions here (46 seeds for the first one):

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6755877/Threads_(1984)

Three other choices (not so many seeds)

https://thepiratebay.org/search/Threads%20(1984)/0/99/0

A frightening & well-done TV movie IMO! (Some trivia - Thought I recognised the voice (uncredited) of the American President; the late Ed Bishop (Commander Straker from "U.F.O." ;))

Excellent, many thanks. It'll be in the Avalon Library in a couple of hours. :thumbsup:

It's VERY VERY well done. Almost TOO realistic. To this day, I remember watching it on TV when it came out, and giving an involuntary, loud gasp of pure horror when I saw the nuclear missiles being launched. It was just too much like the real thing.

[KiwiElf]

It's VERY VERY well done. Almost TOO realistic. To this day, I remember watching it on TV when it came out, and giving an involuntary, loud gasp of pure horror when I saw the nuclear missiles being launched. It was just too much like the real thing.

The first option was a quick download at this end (7 mins); it had a similar affect on me (I was pretty young at the time - thank you for the reminder to get it! :thumbsup:) ;); shock factor matched only by "Alternative 3", which ironically, is also related ("devastating climate change" cited as the reason for sending the "best of the population" to Mars). PB also had a REALLY good hi-res version of "Alternative 3" - best I've seen so far - it may still be there).

[Bill Ryan]

A good reference may be the British TV drama documentary Threads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads), broadcast in 1984, depicting, in quite dreadful detail, the aftermath of a global nuclear war. (Warning: it's very well done, and pretty horrifying.)[/I]




It'll be in the Avalon Library in a couple of hours. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0701%20Yes.gif

It's VERY VERY well done. Almost TOO realistic. To this day, I remember watching it on TV when it came out, and giving an involuntary, loud gasp of pure horror when I saw the nuclear missiles being launched. It was just too much like the real thing.

Here it is. 'Enjoy' might not be quite the right advice to give. :) Better is, if you're watching it with a loved one, grab their hand tightly.


http://avalonlibrary.net/THREADS.avi

[wnlight]

I have thought about the aftermath of the earth changes scenario that I have envisioned for many years. The challenges that humanity would face if even a portion of these changes were to come to pass might be existential challenges for most. I fervently hope that all of this will turn out to be simply an academic discussion. I have been reluctant to publicly present all that I see that would befall humanity. But Bill has laid out in this thread much of what I have foreseen. So I now present a few more worrisome bits.

Short Term
Tsunami will wash away many towns and habitations world-wide. Few coastlines will be spared - perhaps none. What I recently have learned is that the Great Lake coastlines will be awash. This is particularly true for Lakes Michigan and Superior. Many small towns will be no more.
Immediate survivors living in the coastal cities will find it impossible to evacuate as infrastructure has been demolished. Resources will diminish daily.
I disagree with Bill on communications. Most Internet hubs are in major coastal cities. With those gone, the rest will be useless. Something similar is true for commercial television and radio networks.
As energy sources fail, so will remaining communications. Perhaps short-wave radio communications will remain viable. Few people that are left in coastal cities will be able to continue in their jobs. This will contribute to even greater failures in transportation, energy, food, and communications.

Mid Term
A closer look at the Caribbeans will show that the Gulf Stream will be impaired. This change will greatly affect Europe causing it to have weather more like Nome, Alaska, is today. (BTW, Nome will be gone.)

Longer term
Do not ignore the looming predictions of a mini ice age. This will be a second devastating blow to humanity. Certainly, any survivors remaining in the more temperate latitudes will discover that food is becoming even more scarce.

Geo-political
Cuba will be joined to the USA: war. What is left of Japan will be joined to Korea and China: war. Many resources will be lost: war. Much new land will appear: war. The NWO elitist bastards will see that world population have significantly been reduced and may decide to complete their plans for final control of humanity: war.

[wnlight]

For those now living in coastal cities, one thing that has not been discussed is what events/signs to look for to (1) determine if my predictions will actually come true, and (2) decide when it is time to 'bug out' for safer locations.

I feel pretty safe living here, but it would be a huge challenge for many to sell his/her home now; give up a job; and move to a place where they do not speak English. Do not come looking for me if this whole thing blows over! I have posted in other threads that it is very difficult to peer into the future and predict events. The only reason that I have posted any of this is that events that I have foreseen over the last ten years have changed very little. Strangely, the predicted date has constantly remained to be in the (Northern) Winter of 2019-2020 for all of those years. It is only about 18 months from now.

[turiya]

For those now living in coastal cities, one thing that has not been discussed is what events/signs to look for to (1) determine if my predictions will actually come true, and (2) decide when it is time to 'bug out' for safer locations.

I feel pretty safe living here, but it would be a huge challenge for many to sell his/her home now; give up a job; and move to a place where they do not speak English. Do not come looking for me if this whole thing blows over! I have posted in other threads that it is very difficult to peer into the future and predict events. The only reason that I have posted any of this is that events that I have foreseen over the last ten years have changed very little. Strangely, the predicted date has constantly remained to be in the (Northern) Winter of 2019-2020 for all of those years. It is only about 18 months from now.

From my view, wnlight, dowsing for a particular event to take place yields far more higher percentage of being correct than dowsing for a particular time when an event will occur. My sense is that it has to more with the perception of time. I've heard it stated before, that time is pretty strange stuff. It has to do with mind.

In asking for answers, dowsing yields answers directly from the physical body. The body is more connected to the Higher Self. The cleaner the body is of emotional garbage that tends to collect there, the more clean the connection will be with one's Higher Self, and the more correct the answers will be.... The answers to questions comes from the Higher Self via the physical body which moves the pendulum.

Whereas, answers that come from mind have a tendency to be less correct. The mind has a tendency to be deceptive when it comes to obtaining answers to questions about events. Questions that have to do with a time element, well, things gets even more diluted.

That is just from what I have noticed.

[pyrangello]

Just recently there was an article that came out that said the aborigineses of Australia said we have less than 2 years left before the changes happen and didn,t Edgar Casey predict that lake Michigan would drain into the mississippi? Here comes my connect the dots approach, when enough dots happen in the same direction and timeline there are some issues to take note of, add now to the dot list of wnlight dowsing predictions gets added to the map respectively.

[chris_walker]

So it's DOOM ON?! I like it when it's doom on, much more exciting than doom off.

Seriously though, what is the probability of such events? What would cause them, just a nuclear war or perhaps something from outer space, including Nibiru, comets and asteroids?

[Hervé]

...


… which leads us to - what I would term - “The Spare-parts Civilizations” and the probable, real purpose for the Roswell crash…

So, here is how I see it, pretty much following Bill’s beans’ preserves:

It’s beginning to dawn on humanity’s consciousness that previous high-tech civilizations have dwelled on Earth in years past, the last of which being suspected to have occurred prior to some 12,000 years ago.

Said high-tech civilization is believed to have had strange flying machines and space crafts if we lend some credence to individuals like Edgar Cayce, Jon Peniel or the “Vimanas” of old.

The catastrophe which ended that civilization, whether natural, manmade or human enhanced, left the survivors in a pretty pickle: they were left with no means to repair anything high-tech anymore… hence any functioning devices had to be turned over to the realm of “sacred” objects and high priests still able to use and/or repair them…

… and the scavenging period for spare parts to repair still functioning artifacts began.

It’s currently happening to some of the USAF planes… keeping some in flying conditions by scavenging out of order ones… no other spare parts available. Same for the Germans most recent modern submarines… all on dry docks because no spare parts to repair the broken down ones.

How does one repair something which directions for repair is classified state secret and buried in some undisclosed vaults or rendered-useless hard drives?

See?

As with the can of beans, in order to repair/keep old flying machine in shape to fly, one needs the rare ingredients (mining, metallurgy know-how) and the recipe to concoct the moulds for the spare parts… to keep control of the airspace, right?

Well, for some 12,000 years, human civilizations were absolutely unable to manufacture any spare parts for these machines and associated gears and weapons… then, all of a sudden, in less than a century, humanity went from horse-drawn carts to walking all over the Moon!??!

See? The so-called “Industrial Revolution” occurred.

Imagine being one of these flying machines’ pilot stranded on a planet full of apes barely able to strike two rocks together to start a fire… what do you do to get those apes to manufacture the spare parts you need to repair your craft and get the hell out of there?

… you would need industrial and research capabilities… rare elements to slap together some electronics needed components, etc…

Then, how do you steer the research in that direction?

Roswell!

And reverse engineering!

… and the “Break Away” civilization is well on its way :)

[Jayke]

For those now living in coastal cities, one thing that has not been discussed is what events/signs to look for to (1) determine if my predictions will actually come true, and (2) decide when it is time to 'bug out' for safer locations.

I feel pretty safe living here, but it would be a huge challenge for many to sell his/her home now; give up a job; and move to a place where they do not speak English. Do not come looking for me if this whole thing blows over! I have posted in other threads that it is very difficult to peer into the future and predict events. The only reason that I have posted any of this is that events that I have foreseen over the last ten years have changed very little. Strangely, the predicted date has constantly remained to be in the (Northern) Winter of 2019-2020 for all of those years. It is only about 18 months from now.

It’s known in astrological circles that earthquakes and volcanic activity can be triggered by the gas giant planets, Saturn and Jupiter, as they reach apehelion and perihelion in their cycles (or conjunctions and oppositions). The geodetic forces can put a strain on the Earth and squeeze it like an orange till something ruptures.

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https://jessicadavidson.co.uk/2017/01/09/astrological-cycles-and-the-collective-2017-2024/






Saturn Pluto conjunction – from December 2019
Jupiter Saturn conjunction – from December 2019
Saturn Uranus square – from January 2020
Saturn in Aquarius – from March 2020
Jupiter in Aquarius – from December 2020
Pluto in Aquarius – from March 2023
Long-range

Uranus Neptune square – coming 2032
Uranus Pluto opposition – coming 2045

We’re at an interesting point in the evolution of the collective psyche and 2020 looks set to be a major turning point. If you thought the hype over 2012 was overdone, just wait until the 2020 hype gets going! There are multiple planets changing signs and starting new cycles, and Aquarius is heavily featured. It looks like the Age of Aquarius is upon us.

“Transformative evolutionary forces are fully in play now, energies that we can participate in but that are far more powerful than we can control or predict. The past and the future seem to be converging in our time with extraordinary intensity. Clearly some form of creative intelligence informs the whole, yet just as clearly the human future is radically uncertain, contingent both on human choices and on larger forces beyond our power, beyond our awareness. An old age of the world is passing away, and a new one is struggling to be born. – Richard Tarnas, World Transits 2000-2020

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The Saturn-Pluto and Saturn-Jupiter conjunctions, in December 2019, might be worth paying attention to, for those that feel any urge to prepare. Personally, there’s no doubt there’ll be some earthquakes or volcanic eruptions, somewhere on the planet, at that time. Will that be enough to fundamentally change the cymatic structure of earths geology and force drastic sea and coastline changes? My crystal bowl (pineal gland) says no.

Or hypothetically, if it does create the forecast earth changes, is it not possible that the drastic reduction in city populations could simply be from mass migration as people move and re-settle on the freshly created coastlines? I know if Lemuria suddenly popped out of the ocean again, I’d be leaving Manchester behind, putting my Indiana Jones hat on and flying off to explore new lands.

I honestly feel that humanity has passed the tipping point and the threat of major world wars has been postponed, at least for a couple hundred years.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Jules Verne wrote a book on the subject of survival, The Mysterious Island. It is still the best book I've ever read. In it, a man named Cyrus Harding leads a rag-tag group of castaways in a struggle for survival. It is fascinating and informative.

A well rounded individual with a rigorous scientific background can indeed survive in the right location. Not only survive but thrive.

edit to add: Still, even those castaways had to have help in the form of supplies that float to the island from their shipwreck. Guns, ammunition, surveying tools, scientific equipment. Without those, even Cyrus Harding would have been hard pressed to succeed.

[Bill Ryan]

Jules Verne wrote a book on the subject of survival, The Mysterious Island. It is still the best book I've ever read. In it, a man named Cyrus Harding leads a rag-tag group of castaways in a struggle for survival. It is fascinating and informative.



Here. :star:


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Jules%20Verne%20-%20The%20Mysterious%20Island.pdf

[DNA]

I'd like to start off with this Edgar Cayce reading where he talks of a life to come in 2100 A.D. This before the meat of the thread topic.


"I had been born again in 2100 A.D. in Nebraska. The sea apparently covered all of the western part of the country, as the city where I lived was on the coast. The family name was a strange one. At an early age as a child I declared myself to be Edgar Cayce who had lived 200 years before. Scientists, men with long beads, little hair, and thick glasses, were called in to observe me. They decided to visit the places where I said I had been born, lived, and worked in Kentucky, Alabama, New York, Michigan, and Virginia.

"Taking me with them the group of scientists visited these places in a long, cigar-shaped metal flying ship which moved at a high speed.

"Water covered part of Alabama. Norfolk, Virginia, had become an immense seaport. New York had been destroyed either by war or an immense earthquake and was being rebuilt. Industries were scattered over the countryside. Most of the houses were built of glass. Many records of my work as Edgar Cayce were discovered and collected.

"The group returned to Nebraska, taking the records with them to study... These changes in the Earth will come to pass, for the time and times and half times are at an end, and there begins those periods for the readjustments..." John Moore is a salt of the earth Christian Fundamentalist type who through happen stance was exposed to info regarding earth changes that the United States is preparing for.
Mr. Moore then went about attempting to collect information from various intelligence officers who would object by stating they could not tell because of Security Clearance and Mr. Moore gets around this through presenting information that the witness then corroborates with a series of eye blinks.
Most distressing would be flooding in the Southern US, Mississippi Basin and East Coast.
John Moore outlines how not a few Navy Officers have been informed to move to the Ozark Hills of Missouri, stating that this area is extremely safe.
John Moore states that this is corroborated one day by a Home Insurance VIP asking John "why are so many retired Navy personal moving to the Ozarks of Missouri?".
Furthermore this seems to be substantiated by a Jesse Ventura "Conspiracy Files" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCZlTAu3gxM) (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x30...012_shortfilms)where they were investigating a very small town in the Missouri Ozarks with vast underground facilities built and constant shipments coming in to accommodate it.
I highly recommend watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKQTQEzak4
fyKQTQEzak4

[Bill Ryan]

So it's DOOM ON?! I like it when it's doom on, much more exciting than doom off.

Seriously though, what is the probability of such events? What would cause them, just a nuclear war or perhaps something from outer space, including Nibiru, comets and asteroids?

Made me laugh! :)

As I mentioned above, I figured this might be an interesting thread to share some speculative 'WHAT IF' analyses. It's just a big thought experiment, to use Einstein's term. The thread is really intended to discuss what might happen geopolitically and societally if such things were to happen.

I'm not personally believing it's 'Doom On' at all. I just see this as very interesting, as I know wnlight (Warren) personally. This thread was prompted by a long conversation I had with him over lunch yesterday. As I mentioned above, he's utterly sane and grounded, and not a doomsayer at all. And he earnestly hopes to be 100% wrong about all of this. :)

Regarding what might cause these kinds of events, my own attention is drawn to Linda Howe's 21 Feb 2018 livestream video here (https://youtube.com/watch?v=3csiXkfjewQ). She reported that she'd been contacted in 2013 by an insider scientist who told her that the many mysterious loud booms reported all over the world (that seem simultaneously to be coming from the atmosphere and underground, but have caused material damage to some buildings) are due to major changes in the Earth's core, in turn connected with an apparently progressing Magnetic Pole reversal.

[wnlight]

@ turiya, You are correct in your thoughts about the mind, body, higher self connection and it's influence on dowsing. I have been seriously dowsing for about fifteen years, and have experienced that of which you write. My conscious mind is totally connected to my higher self - 24/7. This achievement took much time and effort. Some folks are born with it. Everyone else can learn to do this. I get the answers directly in my head, but still use the pendulum for the visual confirmation that I sometimes need. About two years ago, my higher self started tying knots in my pendulum chain to tell me KNOT to use it so much and just listen in my mind. We do not really know where the mind is located. The brain may not be the answer. The brain seems to be an information hub with short term memory. Of course, the brain is also a survival instrument.

@ pyrangello, your post with this question "and didn,t Edgar Casey predict that lake Michigan would drain into the mississippi?" is a good example. I also expect that to happen, but much later. Maybe in a few hundred years that will happen. Furthermore, that has already happened in the end of the last ice age when the Mississippi, the Illinois, the Wabash, the Ohio and other rivers were formed by overwhelming melt water flowing from the Great Lakes.

I recently explained to Bill how time is so difficult to dowse. When I ask/dowse about other future events (I am not always thinking DOOM) it is most difficult to pin down a date. Many times the answer is not correct. However, you must see the difference in questions directed by my curiosity as apposed to my being told a date in meditation that is confirmed by dowsing. I did not originally ask "Will it happen in January, 2020?" I only asked that later for confirmation. I cannot tell you how many times I have asked direct questions and peripheral questions - questions around the subject - looking for a crack in the scenario. I have been all around it and through it for the last ten years. I did not tell anyone for the first six years.

@ Hervé, As usual, you have very thoroughly thought out the situation as presented by Bill and myself. I do expect that unlike the demise of several previous civilizations on our Earth by some major calamity, in this case there will be a much greater survival rate with perhaps much more than enough technical information and skill to carry on with some version of our current civilization. I expect that there will be protected pockets in each continent that may be changed very little.

[Bill Ryan]

I do expect that unlike the demise of several previous civilizations on our Earth by some major calamity, in this case there will be a much greater survival rate with perhaps much more than enough technical information and skill to carry on with some version of our current civilization. I expect that there will be protected pockets in each continent that may be changed very little.

Engineer and experienced outdoorsman Matthew Stein was urged to write his excellent When Technology Fails by ETs who contacted him telepathically. He resisted it for quite some time, but eventually gave in to their insistence. They kept telling him he was the perfect person to compile the book, which they made clear was of the utmost importance. It's a most fascinating tale.

As is often the case, one wonders what some ETs might know (or judge may be probable) about our future that we have no idea of.


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Matthew%20Stein%20-%20WHEN%20TECHNOLOGY%20FAILS%20-%20A%20Manual%20for%20Self%20Reliance%20and%20Plan etary%20Survival.pdf


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivS8KC72KVY

[wnlight]

@DNA, My first maps showed the Golf of Mexico reaching as far North as Omaha, Nebraska. I changed those maps a few months ago as although I still expect that to happen, but much later than 2020. Could the land subside to that extent by the year 2100? Perhaps so. Will there be some intermediate subsidences? Yes, I expect them. I have seen all of this.

I think that we will find much more of Casey's reading to be true or become true in the future, but he has been wrong in his timing. Are Casey's timing errors inaccurate due to the difficulties in seeing the future? Or is it because hopes and prayers of humans living on the Earth can change the future? Or is it because of their decisions and actions taken in living here?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The possibility of this scenario does strongly align with many mutterings I have heard over the years re earth changes. "The land will come where there was water, the water will come where there was land". It was a theme of Cayce's, a theme of the Maya, and a theme of the Bible, and many more sources in history.

If I was to hazard a left-field guess at the potential mechanism behind these changes (based on nothing but hints in aforementioned themes), it would be a pole flip. [cred to Bill, you said it first, just saw, but I'm in agreement] And not a steady migration of the magnetic pole, but a full-on reversal, and suddenly. I first heard about the theory in the early nineties, and have pondered it ever since. I won't presume to speculate on the science involved, because it's conjectural at best. Many scientists won't even agree such a reversal is possible. But as a by-product, the earth is speculated to literally tip over on its axis as a result. Which could mean, as an example, the new south pole might be Italy, the new north, Tasmania etc.

@Wnlight, have you dowsed for the location of the north/south poles after these changes have occurred? Might be interesting.

[Bill Ryan]

And not a steady migration of the magnetic pole, but a full-on reversal, and suddenly.

As best I know, there's just no conceivable physical mechanism for a magnetic pole reversal (even a very sudden one) to trigger a full-scale physical axis shift, or even a crustal displacement (which is slightly different, but still a huge physical 'slip' of the crust alone). The forces involved would be magnitudes greater than titanic.

I'd welcome Hervé's comment! (Or that of anyone with a greater detailed knowledge of geophysics than myself. :) )

But it does seem to me that the rising/sinking of parts of the crust by just a few hundred feet (or a couple thousand at the most) is NOTHING compared to the size of the planet. We're talking about the change in 'altitude' of parts of the crust by (say) half a mile or less, as compared to the Earth's diameter of just under 8,000 miles. That's a change of 1:16000, or just 0.006%, at the most. Think of what a tiny change that actually is.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Agreed, no mechanisms for this exist in the textbooks, thus I too remain a tad cagey about it. Buuuut, seeing as we're slightly into the 'fringes' of accepted scientific realities as it is, I felt it was ok to at least moot it as a possibility. :bigsmile:

Whatever the case is (if this scenario ever does occur) it will be due – it will have to be due – to some very extraordinary processes, and something Human kind has never before witnessed or recorded in history (at least this side of the ice-age).

[Hervé]

[...]
... scientists won't even agree such a [magnetic] reversal is possible. But as a by-product, the earth is speculated to literally tip over on its axis as a result.
Magnetic poles inversions have happened many, many times (see the magnetic zebra patterns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics#Magnetic_striping) paralleling mid oceanic ridges) without being accompanied by any crustal slip, much less an earth's rotation axis shift - even minute.

To get a shift in the position of the earth's rotation axis, there is an inherent formidable, enormous force to overcome and that's the earth's gyroscopic momentum... nothing short of a bolide the size of Mars hitting Earth would do that.

Land uprising in one spot and sinking in others is more probable than a uniform rise of the sea level. Just take Bill's figure about the Earth diameter and compute the volume of water needed for a uniform rise of the sea level of some n feet to be spread over some 70% of Earth surface... enormous volume of water needed.

Which brings me to what is it that's actually conveyed by these visions: is it actually a sea level rise? Tsunamis in progress? Floods from stormy weather? Gradual changes in specific areas viewed as if through a time-lapsed compressed recording (CGI animation rendition for an as yet projected future) of an area?

I have been puzzling over how in hell could Brittany go under water without any foreseeable geological components... I was left with either Tsunamis or else "Rain in Sheets." Got my answer recently: "Rain in Sheets (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world&p=1227775&viewfull=1#post1227775)" and their ensuing floods...

[Jean-Marie]

What signs should we be looking for to recognize the start of the earth changes that Warren predicts? I just looked at a map of the nuclear reactors in the US. It is hard to know what might be the best place to bug out to. If we know the signs to look for it may give us an idea on when to bug out of the city areas if this should take place.

[Bill Ryan]

What signs should we be looking for to recognize the start of the earth changes that Warren predicts? I just looked at a map of the nuclear reactors in the US. It is hard to know what might be the best place to bug out to. If we know the signs to look for it may give us an idea on when to bug out of the city areas if this should take place.

Warren and I discussed this yesterday over lunch. I'd love to read his own posted answer here, but we agreed that one of the likely precursor indicators would be a dramatic, steep, accelerating increase in the number of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions worldwide.

[Justplain]

I have had urges to learn basic survival skills, such as what local vegetation can be consumed in case of the systematic breakdown of the human infrastructure that delivers food to our tables. However, another part of my intuitive self tells me to relax, that those ideas are the 'just in case' variety. This intuition tells me that nothing really bad is going to happen. The really bad story is really a different timeline, and i will tell you why.

In 'autobiography of a yogi', Yogananda is told by his teacher that there is a reason why the civilization in India still survives, because there are still good people living there. The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is cited, in that when a society becomes too unethical, it is destroyed. Atlantis, by some accounts, had fallen to unethical depths of human sacrifice when it was sunk.

I would posit that our civilization has not slipped to those depths, yet, and therefore a purge is not necessary. Of course, we must prevent future events that could sink us further, but as of now we are in safe territory, imho.

As a result, i think that Warren's dowsing is picking up on an alternate timeline that is not this one.

[Bill Ryan]

As a result, i think that Warren's dowsing is picking up on an alternate timeline that is not this one.

Yes, I'd say that has to be possible. There have been MANY seemingly genuine ET contactee reports, including a bunch of highly convincing ones, warning against major events that never happened. But that doesn't necessarily mean the accounts (or the ETs!) were bogus.

Not only that, but there's evidence that this alternative timeline tangle has been explored in highly advanced classified projects.

For a key, core reference, see the REALLY important Project Camelot page: Timeline 1, Version 83: What may the Future Hold? (https://web.archive.org/web/20080420060046/http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html)

[Michelle Marie]

As a result, i think that Warren's dowsing is picking up on an alternate timeline that is not this one.

Yes, I'd say that has to be possible. There have been MANY seemingly genuine ET contactee reports, including a bunch of highly convincing ones, warning against major events that never happened. But that doesn't necessarily mean the accounts (or the ETs!) were bogus.

Not only that, but there's evidence that this alternative timeline tangle has been explored in highly advanced classified projects.

For a key, core reference, see the REALLY important Project Camelot page: Timeline 1, Version 83: What may the Future Hold? (https://web.archive.org/web/20080420060046/http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html)

"We are not just passengers in a world where the events are determined by others...we are all involved in the process...and we are all responsible for co-creating the future."

:happy dog:
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[Bill Ryan]

Returning to the theme of this new thread, which is "WHAT IF?"

It's merely an invitation to speculate, using as much logic as possible. I continue to have many thoughts about this. I'm not unduly worried, at all, because I find it all almost impossible to believe.

The predictions are kind of mad, but wnlight/Warren is highly credible, intelligent, educated, aware, methodical, careful and sane. :) So the resulting cognitive dissonance prompts me to play with the ideas in as much detail as seems accessible, as a purely theoretical problem.

I was wondering what happens to GLOBAL population. It'd be reasonable to assume it'd be slashed, over the period of half a generation. It might even fall back to 1 billion by (say) 2030. That's half way to the infamous Georgia Guidestones goal of 500 million.

Now, if the black ops guys somehow KNOW this would happen... would they try to prevent it, assuming they even could? Or tell the citizens about it beforehand? I'd argue absolutely not.

Some of you may remember the trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXGrTng0gQ) for Roland Emmerich's film 2012. The movie was pretty dreadful, but the excellent, striking tagline was

http://projectavalon.net/2012_trailer_a.gif




The answer was
http://projectavalon.net/2012_trailer_b.gif

And, meanwhile, see my speculative thread From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis), in which I present evidence — thin, but there to be found — that the Breakaway Civilization are planning to leave the planet. (If so, one might wonder why...)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

1) Note the new land in green, especially the huge new island in the Pacific. That's as big as the US and China combined. (Maybe more.)

Who'd want to claim that? The US and China, for sure. Immediately, and both at once. And that alone might provoke a nuclear exchange, even if it was in that unpopulated area.

I think this is exactly why control of areas such as the South China Sea has become such a hot-button issue. One way or another, undersea real estate is going to become valuable. Japan is even working on underwater cities.

Chinese companies (ie, the Chinese government -- same thing under communism) already own large swathes of the continental US as well. Supposedly all of this land was sold to them as collateral for continuing to prop up the Federal Reserve note, with the idea that in the future China may claim this land for settlement, or just quietly begin migrating millions of people onto it.

Asian countries in particular have more and more people and less and less room for them all.



I have had urges to learn basic survival skills, such as what local vegetation can be consumed in case of the systematic breakdown of the human infrastructure that delivers food to our tables. However, another part of my intuitive self tells me to relax, that those ideas are the 'just in case' variety. This intuition tells me that nothing really bad is going to happen. The really bad story is really a different timeline, and i will tell you why.

Personally I feel like every responsible citizen has a duty to know how to gather food from the wild, whether that be learning which plants are edible, or learning to fish or hunt. I don't think of it as something for an end of the world scenario, but just basic human skills that all of our ancestors have had to know since time immemorial. To not have these skills is to miss something very basic about the human experience, and the cycle of life in general.

Plus it can give you an added level of self-confidence, to know that your existence does not depend upon the success of society as a whole. It's one less thing to worry about, though it would still not be a very pleasant thing to have to endure.

Many plants grow year-round and are edible, like dandelions, plantain, and cressy greens, though maybe not in Canada. The natives in Canada largely survived off of fish.

[amor]

I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE THE ANSWER TO MIAMI AND ISLANDS SINKING, AND IT IS THAT SUBTERRANEAN GASSES MOVING TO OTHER PLACES LETTING THE LAND SINK. In the case of Miami, there is said to be a huge Methane bubble under the salt dome of the Gulf of Mexico and that is why drilling for oil there is frowned upon. The dome has sprung a LEAK and gasses around Miami are moving to the Atlantic. Remember Edgar Casey's prediction that a large land mass would rise off Georgia and Carolina? When that happens, Florida or a good portion of it will sink because the gasses that held it up have moved.

At first I thought the equatorial bulge of the Ocean was moving North with the movement of the Magnetic North Pole towards Siberia; however, islands like Barbados and the Dutch West Indies have not had a change of sea level. THAT LEAVES SINKING. IF THE GAS DRILLING IN THE GULF DOES NOT STOP, A LOT OF CHANGES WILL HAPPEN INCLUDING TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S MARALARGO.

[shaberon]

You've shown the rising of Lemuria with the green land in the Pacific.

As much as we've become accustomed to "Tectonic Plate Drift" theory, there is no evidence for it (circumstantial only). The crustal plates might slip a few meters...but travel thousands of miles sideways??

The alternate proposition is that the "plates" are really columns that move up and down. When something else goes down, Lemuria pops up. That's what I see on the map, although I would expect a time frame of millions of years. And when that happens, everyone is toast. The 12,000 years of technology required for a can of beans will have to be repeated.

Make western Europe and California blue, that would be my expected scenario. I've been expecting it for a long time and don't really anticipate it coming next year. Depending on the mechanism of change, there could become more, or less, ice, which would also have a profound effect. Possible greenhouse gases/nuclear winter. End of the plant kingdom, reverting to red algae. So much of our fragile environment derives from the precise strength of gravity and the unique properties of water, a .001 change to any of that would probably bring annihilation. Because our last epoch went out with water/ice, this one would probably go by fire/volcanoes with lots of dust and gas. The single Krakatoa eruption in the 1800s made three days of darkness.

There probably would be survivor pockets that mostly turn on each other, or on themselves. There might be a few success stories, but humanity as a whole is either vicious, or almost vicious until something happens to let it out. The "thin thread of society" is a rather special case, painstakingly built. Human behavior during a major planetary change would not be pretty.

[what is a name?]

Ra-The Law of One

65.6 Questioner: Would the coming changes as we progress into fourth density— I’m speaking of changes not only in the physical third-density planet due to the heating effect but also the changes that are heralding fourth-density vibrations such as the ability of people to perform what we term paranormal activities— I’m assuming that both of these are also and will act as catalyst to create a greater seeking. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. The paranormal events occurring are not designed to increase seeking but are manifestations of those whose vibratory configuration enables these entities to contact the gateway to intelligent infinity. These entities capable of paranormal service may determine to be of such service on a conscious level. This, however, is a function of the entity and its free will and not the paranormal ability.

The correct portion of your statements is the greater opportunity for service due to the many changes which will offer many challenges, difficulties, and seeming distresses within your illusion to many who then will seek to understand, if we may use this misnomer, the reason for the malfunctioning of the physical rhythms of their planet.

And

65.9 Questioner: We would seem to have dual catalysts operating, and the question is which one is going to act first. The prophecies, I will call them, made by Edgar Cayce indicated many Earth changes and I am wondering about the mechanics of describing what we call the future. Ra, it has been stated, is not a part of time and yet we concern ourselves with probability/possibility vortices. It is very difficult for me to understand how the mechanism of prophecy operates. What is the value of a prophecy such as Cayce made with respect to Earth changes with respect to all of these scenarios?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider the shopper entering the store to purchase food with which to furnish the table for the time period you call a week. Some stores have some items, others a variant set of offerings. We speak of these possibility/probability vortices when asked with the understanding that such are as a can, jar, or portion of goods in your store.

It is unknown to us as we scan your time/space whether your peoples will shop hither or yon. We can only name some of the items available for the choosing. The, shall we say, record which the one you call Edgar read from is useful in that same manner. There is less knowledge in this material of other possibility/probability vortices and more attention paid to the strongest vortex. We see the same vortex but also see many others. Edgar’s material could be likened unto one hundred boxes of your cold cereal, another vortex likened unto three, or six, or fifty of another product which is eaten by your peoples for breakfast. That you will breakfast is close to certain. The menu is your own choosing.


The last line "The menu is your own choosing." pretty much sums it up for me.

[chrysocolla]

What is the source for the population data? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=37709&d=1525717949

A quick look is showing a large difference between the population data on the pdf and the census numbers in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

You have Boston listed as roughly 4 million people but it’s census population is under 700,000. The entire state is less than 7 million people according to the census.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

You have Boston listed as roughly 4 million people but it’s census population is under 700,000. The entire state is less than 7 million people according to the census.

It varies greatly depending on population type. The city population of Boston, according to wikipedia, is 617k. The metropolitan population (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_area) is 4.6million. The metro number accounts for all the surrounding conurbations, including satellite towns and cities.

The 7million number seems to come from an even wider calculation for the region, called CSA (Combined Statistical Area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area)), which applies when a region demonstrates 'economic or social linkage'. The figure would then take into account probably most of New England. These conventions do slightly skew the original perception, when the metro or CSA pop. can be ten times that of the city in question.

On this list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_primary_statistical_areas_of_the_United_States), you can find Boston is 6th (pop ~8million) with all its constituent areas that make up that number.

[amor]

Perhaps the Census includes sloppy coverage. It could also be that regions inflate their numbers to obtain some advantage in government grants from the Federal Government, etc. However, the figures suggest what seems a too wide divergence suggesting strongly that something needs investigating.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Looking at wnlight's map again, it's really hard to fathom the vast scale of that new pacific continent. With Zealandia to the south, it's has a combined landmass easily comparable to North America in size. If that were to rise up from the sea-floor, the volume of water it would displace would be incalculable. The tsunamis would flood a far greater area than just coastal regions. It would flood the world, wouldn't it?

Of other matters, I'm also interested in how such tumultuous change would affect perceptions of national sovereignty. According to the map, there are instances of countries that were once isolated from each other now joining up.

It's rather ironic, here in the UK amid the Brexit controversy, that the people and the body politic are all so bent on disconnecting from the EU -- when, on the map, the earth appears to have quite different ideas.

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In this vision the UK would not only be physically joined to Europe, but Ireland joined to the UK. Boy, will they not like that. I imagine the US may not enjoy being physically connected to Cuba either, and vice versa. And there are other examples. Should this ever happen, and when the dust settles, the geopolitical debates will be...quite fascinating.

[Foxie Loxie]

Is the green part in your picture what used to be called Doggerland, Star Mariner? :confused:

[chrysocolla]

Yeah, the Metro area was my best guess for the disparity in numbers. Its an important distinction for me though as there is some conversation going on assuming the population is an indicator for geographic area that could be misleading when trying to understand what happened. The Boston area is a bad example because the population is so dense that no matter the disaster a large portion of the population is going to be affected but in larger cities the difference in population affected verse geography could be a big indicator of the type of event. Like a missile will affect a smaller area than a tsunami or widespread tornadoes so we may need to understand both population and geography.

I know this is speculation but it could help people with planning. If I know a tsunami is coming I might have time to bug out. If a nuclear event happens then I may want to stay put.

Also, I think it could help in deciding what questions to ask in future dowsing sessions.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Good ol' Canadian shield! Not much change in this area makes the predictions even more scary.

edit to add: Maybe some don't know what that is...
The Canadian shield is a granite core of an old mountain range from hundreds of millions of years ago. All that is left of the mountains is their compressed cores. Hard as diamond, almost. The range extends from Hudson's Bay to the great lakes, including much of Ontario, Quebec and Manitoba (Canadian Provinces).

[Hervé]

[...]
As much as we've become accustomed to "Tectonic Plate Drift" theory, there is no evidence for it (circumstantial only). The crustal plates might slip a few meters...but travel thousands of miles sideways??
[...]
Beside skepticism, one also needs to be open minded enough to let empirical data creep in... the "sideways" slip of continental crust over 1000s of miles is demonstrated by evidence of the continuity of paleo subduction/obduction/collision zones such as the one that affected Southern Brittany and Newfoundland with the occurrence of a "Blue Schists" belt matching perfectly once the basaltic seafloor at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_Ridge) is removed.

It is with the existence of such curvilinear features -AKA "Belts" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenstone_belt) - that the existence of supercontinents such as "Gondwana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana)" or "Pangaea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea)" are demonstrated/reconstructed.

It is that same "drift" which causes the "Magnetic strips" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics#Magnetic_striping) paralleling the MORs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-ocean_ridge) with the oldest lava rocks being the farthest from the Ridge and dated at 180 million years for the Atlantic.

I would advise to refrain from using a "Flatearther" type of sarcasm when ignorance of a subject is being displayed...

[Ernie Nemeth]

Herve. If we are going there then maybe we should consider how a hot sphere of molten rock cools. If that dynamic is considered there is sufficient ignorance to include just about any outlandish theory.

As can be imagined, and I do not claim to be an expert, a sphere cools from the outside in. As the temperature gradient increases, convection currents carry cooler regions towards the outer layers and hotter regions sink deeper toward the center. This causes mixing of the molten rock, sometimes re-melting solidified rock. As convection reaches its height, the sphere physically expands in size.The temperature of the sphere gradually cools until the rock solidifies and convection can no longer mix temperature gradients. Then radiant cooling takes over.

As the radiated heat escapes the rocks begin to compress and the sphere shrinks. The shrinking of the sphere causes more heat to escape and some convection returns because some of the rocks again melt, now usually at surface or sub-surface levels. The solid core can now "slip" as the melting crust acts like a lubricant between layers.

Eventually what is left is a cold ball of loosely clumped crags of rock at the surface layers and a solid core of compressed rock beneath.

This actually has not been observed on any planet. Instead, it seems that there is another mechanism at work that continues to heat the inner core and keeps the sphere alive with new sources of heat.

It is known today that all the planets should have long ago become solid cold balls of rock, if only convection and radiation were occurring. Currently it is theorized that "uranic" elements continue to heat the core. As the half life of some of these radio-active elements is in the hundreds of millions of years, the heating continues. It is further speculated that once the trans-uranic elements decay heating will stop.

[Hervé]

Herve. If we are going there then maybe we should consider how a hot sphere of molten rock cools. If that dynamic is considered there is sufficient ignorance to include just about any outlandish theory.
[...]
Ernie, I am not going there... what I am providing are the empirical evidences for the drifting apart of continental crusts.

[Phenix]

I found this presentation impressive and credible though his dates are a bit off.

Around min 58, the presenter describes the source of worldwide devastation as “the 10th planet – coming up from the South Pole…” My first thought, “maybe this is becoming visible from Earth now. If so, could that be big attraction that has taken a strange mix of world leaders to Antarctica in the last year or so?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Ernie, I am not going there... what I am providing are the empirical evidences for the drifting apart of continental crusts.



There is indeed very good empirical evidence.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Is the green part in your picture what used to be called Doggerland, Star Mariner? :confused:

Yes, a part of it. Doggerland extended quite far north originally. That land has not been above water for some 8,000 years. If it ever does come up, I wonder what artefacts we'd discover? It was inhabited, and even mammoths roamed there. :)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Doggerland.svg/375px-Doggerland.svg.png

[DNA]

@DNA,
I think that we will find much more of Casey's reading to be true or become true in the future, but he has been wrong in his timing. Are Casey's timing errors inaccurate due to the difficulties in seeing the future? Or is it because hopes and prayers of humans living on the Earth can change the future? Or is it because of their decisions and actions taken in living here?
I hope these things are not written in stone, but I'm of the opinion that folks should focus on the specific circumstances Cayce speaks of rather than a specific year.

Cayce always stated that these earth changes and catastrophic earthquakes would start after WWIII.

I think this is important to note.

I'm of the opinion that the Governments of the world have earthquake weapons, and that these will be unleashed to a level these Governments may not realize the full effects of.

It has to be said that Trump seems to be trying to avoid a scheduled WWIII, and by his gaining office it is possible we are all experiencing a reprieve of sorts.

I would like to see what Trump is doing extended into something that lasts.

Had Hillary gotten in office I'm quite convinced we would be on the threshold or already in WWIII.

[DNA]

I have had urges to learn basic survival skills, such as what local vegetation can be consumed in case of the systematic breakdown of the human infrastructure that delivers food to our tables. However, another part of my intuitive self tells me to relax, that those ideas are the 'just in case' variety. This intuition tells me that nothing really bad is going to happen. The really bad story is really a different timeline, and i will tell you why.

In 'autobiography of a yogi', Yogananda is told by his teacher that there is a reason why the civilization in India still survives, because there are still good people living there. The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is cited, in that when a society becomes too unethical, it is destroyed. Atlantis, by some accounts, had fallen to unethical depths of human sacrifice when it was sunk.

I would posit that our civilization has not slipped to those depths, yet, and therefore a purge is not necessary. Of course, we must prevent future events that could sink us further, but as of now we are in safe territory, imho.

As a result, i think that Warren's dowsing is picking up on an alternate timeline that is not this one.


If what we are speculating about happens I personally think we have to think beyond basic survival skills.

We have to think about location and that location's ability to continue to produce food without logistical or technological assistance on a massive scale.

Surviving on wild life is no sure thing, even pioneers who depended on such when wildlife was amazingly plentiful back in the 1800's would perish from starvation. We need to think about possible communities that are growing food now that could continue to do so after such an event.

As far as the USA is concerned, my bet is on Nebraska. The entire state is fertile, fairly unpopulated and most of the devastation prognosticated does not really affect the state.

[pyrangello]

So the richest family on earth is building a floating city, lots of dots being connected on this thread isn't there! Times are changing aren't they, we now have a timetable to work with , is it a time for panic, absolutely not, But I would say its a time to start thinking about your own plans for the future ! And if nothing happens great, but I's say were seeing some precursors of the future now with mother earth doing a pre-dance. Enjoy everyday :)


https://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/the-rothschilds-are-building-a-floating-city-in-emergency-mode

According to available information, the amount of this contract exceeds $ 600 million. The number and size of the requested Waya modules are not known. Where this Wayaland will be built and floated is also kept secret. But already now it is called the future floating town of the Rothschilds.

And most importantly, everything will be built in emergency mode.“

And now we have a question … Why did such a famous clan decide to build a city for themselves on the water? Why such an urgent rush? What do they know that we do not?

[onawah]

Spirulina is the ultimate survival food. See: http://hillsfoundation.org/

[Bill Ryan]

https://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/the-rothschilds-are-building-a-floating-city-in-emergency-mode

Interesting. It'd be good to have this confirmed. Here's the report:

~~~




The Rothschilds are building a floating city in emergency mode. What do they know that we do not?

Everyone is always interested in what concerns the world elite. From their actions and behavior can be understood what to expect mankind in the near future. Exchanges and financial institutions react to each of their actions. One of the representatives of the world elite is the Rothschild clan.

So the other day the Rothschilds made an action that makes you wonder… what could IT be?

According to our correspondent from Italy, on Wednesday, financial services company Rothschild & Co (financial holding company which is controlled by the French and English branches of the Rothschild family) has signed a very strange contract with the Italian designer Pierpaolo Lazzarini.

Why strange?

The thing is that Pierpaolo Lazzarini developed the project Wayaland. This floating home in the form of a pyramid, deriving energy from solar panels.

https://api.ning.com/files/NuMzMmkjJ64NHy8i8ic-qe7YVTgq29WLP3KhxXTV3byOoP7lczay-WZyzc3uV0y3SPvpgIebqZXikWJQHZi5ES4YyWhpNh3z/53D58A4EB92F40DFA0A3811F1FA3D611.jpeg (https://api.ning.com/files/NuMzMmkjJ64NHy8i8ic-qe7YVTgq29WLP3KhxXTV3byOoP7lczay-WZyzc3uV0y3SPvpgIebqZXikWJQHZi5ES4YyWhpNh3z/53D58A4EB92F40DFA0A3811F1FA3D611.jpeg)
(https://api.ning.com/files/NuMzMmkjJ64NHy8i8ic-qe7YVTgq29WLP3KhxXTV3byOoP7lczay-WZyzc3uV0y3SPvpgIebqZXikWJQHZi5ES4YyWhpNh3z/53D58A4EB92F40DFA0A3811F1FA3D611.jpeg)
Here are the details reported by our correspondent:



“Lazzarini has been trying all the time to raise funds for the implementation of his project. And now Rothschild & Co gave him such an opportunity, having ordered for himself the construction of a whole floating city.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE3UOU90IK0Wayaland would consist of a group of pyramid-shaped floating buildings called Waya that are inspired by Mayan and Japanese architecture. They would come in different sizes and serve different purposes, so some may function as homes, while others could be used as greenhouses, hotels, and cinemas, for example. The largest would rise to a maximum 30 m (98 ft) tall, above the water line.

The Waya modules would be constructed from fiberglass, carbon fiber, and steel, and set atop large floating platforms with basements suitable for use as optional underwater bedrooms. The structures would be moved with motors and include a small marina for boats and other water craft to moor. Each would receive electricity from rooftop solar panel arrays and water turbines.

Smallest Waya module he will need €350,000 (about US$422,600).

According to available information, the amount of this contract exceeds $ 600 million. The number and size of the requested Waya modules are not known. Where this Wayaland will be built and floated is also kept secret. But already now it is called the future floating town of the Rothschilds.

And most importantly, everything will be built in emergency mode.“

And now we have a question … Why did such a famous clan decide to build a city for themselves on the water? Why such an urgent rush? What do they know that we do not?

[onawah]

That's very interesting!
I was on retreat once at Dauphin Island on the Gulf Coast. (There are many vacation homes there on stilts because often during hurricanes the tides come in so far that the homes would be flooded otherwise. )
I had the clearest vision one day of a time in the future when homes would be able to be on land, on the water or in the air, and able to float to another location in case of hazardous weather conditions.
Those pyramid houses might eventually be fitted with anti-gravity devices that would allow them to float in the air as well as the water, and settle on land as well.

[Jean-Marie]

Would be interesting to know how long it would take to build a city like this and how fast the building would be in emergency mode.

[Hervé]

...

... and I imagine the number and varieties of spare parts that would be needed to keep such a city in good shape for over 1/2 a century... solar panels replacement... plumbing systems... sanitation... etc....

[onawah]

Well, if anyone can afford it, the Rothchilds can....They will no doubt have their own factories for making spare parts before long too, if they don't already have them in their DUMBS.

[pyrangello]

Here's another article close to but with more verbiage, It's not so much that being on water is the only resort, but I would say it would be one of the safest, I do find the pyramid design interesting. I also remember a time traveler saying that by 2050 there would be floating cities based on magnetism or 2150. In any case, take what wnlight says, casey, the ring of fire activity, Yellowstone's steam boat geyser, water receding around the world, the volcanoes, all the boom and trumpeting noises around the world, the permafrost in Russia melting from below the surface and on and on. I think if we continue to see things ramping up into next year, then we all make conscious decisions. One thing for sure, the rothchilds are not building this because they like seafood!

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2590-rothschilds-commission-construction-of-their-own-floating-city-on-an-emergency-schedule-what-do-they-know-that-we-don-t

The Rothschild Family is, far and away, the wealthiest family on planet earth, with estimated wealth of twenty-seven-TRILLION dollars.

So when they do something unusual, such as announce they are shifting a significant percentage of their wealth into Gold Bullion (as they did last year), or when they divest themselves of most American Corporation stocks (like they did last year), it catches the attention of many.

From the actions and behavior of people like the Rothschilds, we can get a glimpse into what to expect for mankind in the near future. Exchanges and financial institutions react to each of their actions; "Smart money" does too.

As such, what can be reasonably inferred from the fact that the other day, Rothschild & Co Commissioned the Emergency Construction of a "floating city" for themselves? Why would they want their own city, floating far out in the ocean, far away from all the masses of humanity?

Perhaps, because destruction comes. Destruction on a scale so enormous, so horrible, so unimaginable, the only place they can even HOPE to be safe, is in their own city, far out to sea.

According to a source in Italy, on Wednesday, financial services company Rothschild & Co (financial holding company which is controlled by the French and English branches of the Rothschild family) signed a very strange contract with the Italian designer Pierpaolo Lazzarini.

Pierpaolo Lazzarini developed a project called "Waya"; floating homes in the shape of a pyramid, deriving energy from solar panels and food for occupants from the sea itself.

[pyrangello]

Aboriginal Elders warn the 'End of Days' is near

https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/ancient-mysteries/aboriginal-elders-warn-the-end-of-days-is-near

Prophecy of the end of the world continues to inspire wild and bewitching theories in popular culture. Some sprouted from ancient knowledge of the Hopi and Mayan calendar. Biblical references abound… but one ancient culture has always remained silent.

Just under a year ago, I started hearing rumours that Australian Indigenous Elders were saying it was the time of the End of Days. Some I know have already gone back to “country" to prepare their spirit and connect back to the land. All in preparation for what is to come.

It is important to note that before the British came to Australia in the late 18th century, the Indigenous people of Australian did not have a word for “time", nor did it factor into their daily thinking, as it does in westernised cultures. No calendars. Just cycles and seasons. They literally lived in the now.

Recently the Elders have been seeing the signs of the End of Days. Some of those signs have to do with the deformed baby whales being observed in the oceans recently (presumably because of Fukushima radiation). They say we have less than two years before the End of Days.

The Australian Aboriginal people have been on this land between 65,000 and 120,000 years; possibly more. In that time they have seen an ice age come and go (last glacial period around 12,000 years ago); survived the Toba super volcanic eruption (75,000 years ago) and several massive coastal tsunamis which exposed or sunk huge tracts of Australia’s east coast. None of these events was considered the “End of Days”.

DNA demonstrates that the Australian Aboriginal culture is the oldest culture on Earth.

We hear plenty of prophecy and prediction from other cultures, all of whom measured time, and experienced time as linear.

In a world-first declaration, respected Elders have volunteered their knowledge, including impending cataclysm, just two years or less from our doorstep. As a trusted and chosen platform, NEXUS Magazine has been unexpectedly charged with the sharing of this knowledge to the world.

With all the warning signs erupting, Aboriginal Elders have discussed and identified now is the time to bring forth their knowledge of what is to come.

NEXUS Magazine is honoured and excited to be bringing you the Secret History of Australia Conference in just four weeks from now.

If you are unable to attend this amazing event, we will have most presentations available post conference for streaming/download or on DVD.

– Duncan Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine

[wnlight]

In my dowsing for predictions of human population and survival upon the Earth, I get that many will die, but not to the extent that some have posted in this thread. I decided not to ask about world population numbers for January, 2020, but rather look at April, 2020. I get that the human population in April will be between 5 and 6 billion. A year later, in April of 2021, there will be between 4 and 5 billion humans. Thereafter, the total population numbers will be more stable. I was not biased in obtaining these numbers. I really did not know what to expect. I will need to do more research before I can accept these numbers as a high potential prediction. They may greatly change as I continue to look into the subject.

[Bill Ryan]

I decided not to ask about world population numbers for January, 2020, but rather look at April, 2020. I get that the human population in April will be between 5 and 6 billion. A year later, in April of 2021, there will be between 4 and 5 billion humans.

Wow.

That implies that in 4-5 months, the world population would drop from 7.7 billion in Dec 2019 to (say) 5.5 billion in April 2020. That's 2 billion people suddenly gone.

A way to grasp that (though of course it would not be uniform) is that it'd be like 10-15 million per day, each day.

Then, the next year, another billion. That's 'only' (!) 3 million per day, every day for that next 12 months.

[wnlight]

@Bill, Please keep in mind that I posted those population results after only one dowsing session. I will continue to research Earth populations.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

@ Ernie Nemeth, I have been on the Canadian shield. Lovely, wilderness country with great fishing.

[ErtheVessel]

I decided not to ask about world population numbers for January, 2020, but rather look at April, 2020. I get that the human population in April will be between 5 and 6 billion. A year later, in April of 2021, there will be between 4 and 5 billion humans.

Wow.

That implies that in 4-5 months, the world population would drop from 7.7 billion in Dec 2019 to (say) 5.5 billion in April 2020. That's 2 billion people suddenly gone.

A way to grasp that (though of course it would not be uniform) is that it'd be like 10-15 million per day, each day.

Then, the next year, another billion. That's 'only' (!) 3 million per day, every day for that next 12 months.

Not only is this tragic, it's an incredible health hazard to those who survive.

Not to be macabre, but do any of the "survival" books talk about how to dispose of large quantities of corpses? This is something we don't like to think about, but that many dead people is incredibly problematic.

Digging graves is much too labor intensive and time consuming, and cremation is, I think, not as easy as one might expect.

[Bill Ryan]

Not to be macabre, but do any of the "survival" books talk about how to dispose of large quantities of corpses? This is something we don't like to think about, but that many dead people is incredibly problematic.


I'd never even thought of this. So I looked it up; it's easy to search.

Slightly to my initial surprise (but after a moment, it's like: of course, this is only logical!) there are many pages, ranging from ex-military prepper sites to formal articles by the World Health Organization. Anyone actively involved in disaster response needs to know about this, or be trained.

I didn't go as far as to read anything. Too late at night! :) But yes, it's all there.

[onawah]

If you go to the bottom of the Nexus magazine page and click on "for more information, you will be taken to this page:https://nexusmagazine.com/events/secret-history-of-australia
... which lists various presentations that will be at the event, including this:

Allan Euston Williams (with Stella Wheildon)
"Origine" (Aboriginal Prophecy and the End of Days)
The End of Days... is a prophecy that has been long awaited by the Origine' people... it is the end of the darkness and a "return" of the spirit of the Dreaming. This epoch-long prophecy is being spoken of now, because it is expected to happen in just under two years time.


Aboriginal Elders warn the 'End of Days' is near

https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/ancient-mysteries/aboriginal-elders-warn-the-end-of-days-is-near

Prophecy of the end of the world continues to inspire wild and bewitching theories in popular culture. Some sprouted from ancient knowledge of the Hopi and Mayan calendar. Biblical references abound… but one ancient culture has always remained silent.

Just under a year ago, I started hearing rumours that Australian Indigenous Elders were saying it was the time of the End of Days. Some I know have already gone back to “country" to prepare their spirit and connect back to the land. All in preparation for what is to come.

It is important to note that before the British came to Australia in the late 18th century, the Indigenous people of Australian did not have a word for “time", nor did it factor into their daily thinking, as it does in westernised cultures. No calendars. Just cycles and seasons. They literally lived in the now.

Recently the Elders have been seeing the signs of the End of Days. Some of those signs have to do with the deformed baby whales being observed in the oceans recently (presumably because of Fukushima radiation). They say we have less than two years before the End of Days.

The Australian Aboriginal people have been on this land between 65,000 and 120,000 years; possibly more. In that time they have seen an ice age come and go (last glacial period around 12,000 years ago); survived the Toba super volcanic eruption (75,000 years ago) and several massive coastal tsunamis which exposed or sunk huge tracts of Australia’s east coast. None of these events was considered the “End of Days”.

DNA demonstrates that the Australian Aboriginal culture is the oldest culture on Earth.

We hear plenty of prophecy and prediction from other cultures, all of whom measured time, and experienced time as linear.

In a world-first declaration, respected Elders have volunteered their knowledge, including impending cataclysm, just two years or less from our doorstep. As a trusted and chosen platform, NEXUS Magazine has been unexpectedly charged with the sharing of this knowledge to the world.

With all the warning signs erupting, Aboriginal Elders have discussed and identified now is the time to bring forth their knowledge of what is to come.

NEXUS Magazine is honoured and excited to be bringing you the Secret History of Australia Conference in just four weeks from now.

If you are unable to attend this amazing event, we will have most presentations available post conference for streaming/download or on DVD.

– Duncan Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine

[Hervé]

Sounds like a depopulation is on its way whether through natural plagues or vaccines induced... combined with famines/malnutrition...

Anyway, here is something about magnetic pole shifts:


Kilauea volcano causes magnetic field to go in opposite direction, sends compasses going in crazy directions (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/968476/Hawaii-Volcano-latest-Mount-Kilauea-magnetic-field-compasses)

Paul Baldwin Express (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/968476/Hawaii-Volcano-latest-Mount-Kilauea-magnetic-field-compasses)
Tue, 05 Jun 2018 05:33 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s23/472326/large/hawaii_latest_968476.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s23/472326/full/hawaii_latest_968476.jpg)
Hawaii latest: Compasses are being sent crazy by the anomaly


MOUNT Kilauea, Hawaii's erupting volcano, has a magnetic field which flows in the OPPOSITE direction to the rest of the planet, scientists have discovered.
The bizarre finding, which sends compasses into an uncontrollable spin, had scientists baffled - while locals linked it to Hawaiian folklore which attaches deep spiritual significance to the massive volcano which is almost one million years old.

But now the reason for the magnetic volte-face has been explained - and it's even more mind-blowing.

According to geologists the molten rock below the Mount Kilauea caldera contains vast amounts of iron and is effectively a sea of floating magnets.

About 780,000 years ago the rock cooled and simultaneously the Earth's magnetic field inexplicably FLIPPED - the South Pole became the North and the North Pole became the South.

But the sea of iron magnets below Mount Kilauea were now cooled and trapped in the now solid rock - with their poles facing the opposite way to everything else on the planet.

Studies into lava flows both below and above the Earth's surface are slowly unlocking the reasons why the planet's field flips every so often.

Brad Singer, a geology professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who investigates lava flow magnetic fields, said: "When the lava flows erupt and cool in the Earth's magnetic field, they acquire a memory of the magnetic field at that time.
"It's very difficult to destroy that in a lava flow once it's formed. You then have a recording of what the paleofield direction was like on Earth."
He added that the flip occurs during periods of declining strength of the Earth's magnetic field and that the planet was rapidly approaching another one.

Co-researcher Kenneth Hoffman California Polytechnic State University at San Luis Obispo and UW-Madison who has been researching field reversals for over 30 years.

Hoffman and Singer are focusing on rocks that contain evidence of times that the main north-south field has weakened, which is one sign that the polarity may flip direction.

Singer said:
"Current evidence suggests we are now approaching one of these transitional states because the main magnetic field is relatively weak and rapidly decreasing.

"While the last polarity reversal occurred several hundred thousand years ago, the next might come within only a few thousand years.

"Right now, historic records show that the strength of the magnetic field is declining very rapidly. From a quick back-of-the-envelope prediction, in 1,500 years the field will be as weak as it's ever been and we could go into a state of polarity reversal.

"One broad goal of our research is to provide some predictive capability for what could happen and what could be the signs of the next reversal."
Related:

Chaos and cover-ups: What evidence supports an ancient [magnetic] pole shift? (https://www.sott.net/article/383858-Chaos-and-cover-ups-What-evidence-supports-an-ancient-pole-shift)
Shift of Earth's Magnetic North Pole Impacts Tampa Airport (https://www.sott.net/article/221015-Shift-of-Earths-Magnetic-North-Pole-Impacts-Tampa-Airport)
US: Magnetic pole shift means new Hillsboro runway name (https://www.sott.net/article/235076-US-Magnetic-pole-shift-means-new-Hillsboro-runway-name)
Pole Shift: North Races, South Crawls (https://www.sott.net/article/221916-Pole-Shift-North-Races-South-Crawls)

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One immediate result of a weakening earth's magnetic field is that paleo remanent magnetism from ancient lava flows can equal or overcome the current overall earth magnetic field and therefore induce a depolarization/disorientation of living beings/organisms in such areas...

[Chris]

This is a very interesting thread. My own feeling is that whilst there will be some earth changes, they won't be quite as devastating as many people expect. The ring of fire probably won't be a very safe place to stay, we are already seeing increased volcanic activity in that region. Low-lying coastal cities will probably also be at risk. Moving Inland, to a mountainous or hilly area that isn't prone to earthquakes is probably a good idea.

However, I do trust in providence. Our planet is in exactly the right place in relation to the sun and the moon to make life possible, I think that is hardly a coincidence and there are signs that this was done artificially by some ancient builder race. I really don't think we will be abandoned as we go through these earth changes and there are already signs that there was intervention to avoid major disasters, that were foretold or planned in advance.

[Craig]

I watched Threads last night and what a bleak and depressing outcome that was, though I still feel it does sell the experience somewhat short. If we were to extrapolate that to 2018 can you imagine any civil service staff in their bunkers trying to coordinate rescue efforts? Or would it be everyone for themselves hording what food and water they could and let those outside of any shelter suffer?

Once rule of law is done away with it would only take hours or days for psychopaths to float to the top of roving gangs of bandits murdering and destroying everything in their paths. Did I mention this is 2018? Mankind will truly descend to below animals in their behaviors. I am a fan of man the individual, but not a fan of men in mobs.

Which leads me to the crux of my message - in this type of world should it eventuate is it really worth living? Does the reptilian part of the brain kick into survival mode and everything to survive is just a battle? What about the survivors who have lived through times of opulence now faced without any modern conveniences how would they survive?

I would like to think this dramatic approach would never eventuate but isn't there only a thin line that separates us from that happening?

[waves]

A post apocalyptic classic....

Summary of A Canticle for Leibowitz
Winner of the 1961 Hugo Award for Best Novel and widely considered one of the most accomplished, powerful, and enduring classics of modern speculative fiction, Walter M. Miller, Jr.’s A Canticle for Leibowitz is a true landmark of twentieth-century literature—a chilling and still provocative look at a post-apocalyptic future. In a nightmarish ruined world slowly awakening to the light after sleeping in darkness, the infant rediscoveries of science are secretly nourished by cloistered monks dedicated to the study and preservation of the relics and writings of the blessed Saint Isaac Leibowitz. From here the story spans centuries of ignorance, violence, and barbarism, viewing through a sharp, satirical eye the relentless progression of a human race damned by its inherent humanness to re-celebrate its grand foibles and repeat its grievous mistakes. Seriously funny, stunning, and tragic, eternally fresh, imaginative, and altogether remarkable, A Canticle for Leibowitz retains its ability to enthrall and amaze. It is now, as it always has been, a masterpiece.

https://7chan.org/lit/src/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz_-_Walter_M__Miller,_Jr__4.pdf

[wnlight]

@waves, I was thinking about "A Canticle for Leibowitz" just a few days ago. It was truly a landmark book that I read back in the 60s. I remember already thinking that there had been previous civilizations to ours, and how this book could be showing a plausible scenario for how our civilization came about.

[TomKat]

I decided not to ask about world population numbers for January, 2020, but rather look at April, 2020. I get that the human population in April will be between 5 and 6 billion. A year later, in April of 2021, there will be between 4 and 5 billion humans.

Wow.

That implies that in 4-5 months, the world population would drop from 7.7 billion in Dec 2019 to (say) 5.5 billion in April 2020. That's 2 billion people suddenly gone.

A way to grasp that (though of course it would not be uniform) is that it'd be like 10-15 million per day, each day.

Then, the next year, another billion. That's 'only' (!) 3 million per day, every day for that next 12 months.

Assuming this doesn't happen in your life, look for an incident prior to 2019 when your computers or electronics mess up inexplicably. I think that means you've switched timelines -- computers seem not to be able follow timeline shifts seemlessly.

[shaberon]

[...]
As much as we've become accustomed to "Tectonic Plate Drift" theory, there is no evidence for it (circumstantial only). The crustal plates might slip a few meters...but travel thousands of miles sideways??
[...]
Beside skepticism, one also needs to be open minded enough to let empirical data creep in... the "sideways" slip of continental crust over 1000s of miles is demonstrated by evidence of the continuity of paleo subduction/obduction/collision zones such as the one that affected Southern Brittany and Newfoundland with the occurrence of a "Blue Schists" belt matching perfectly once the basaltic seafloor at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_Ridge) is removed.

It is with the existence of such curvilinear features -AKA "Belts" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenstone_belt) - that the existence of supercontinents such as "Gondwana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana)" or "Pangaea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea)" are demonstrated/reconstructed.

It is that same "drift" which causes the "Magnetic strips" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics#Magnetic_striping) paralleling the MORs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-ocean_ridge) with the oldest lava rocks being the farthest from the Ridge and dated at 180 million years for the Atlantic.

I would advise to refrain from using a "Flatearther" type of sarcasm when ignorance of a subject is being displayed...

Not sure I follow this. What I mean by "circumstantial" is that *you* have not been around long enough to witness this happen, nor has all of recorded history been around long enough to record it. It simply never has been observed.

So you are saying that something in Brittany matches something in Newfoundland? I'm just questioning a scientific paradigm, partly because it comes from educational institutions and other entities that suppress alternate views.

The Earth has never been observed to be flat, and it has never been observed sliding plates across vast distances. How would we apply plate drift to the beginning of this thread, which indicates a major landmass appearing in the Pacific Ocean?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Another possible one to add to the list of 'What Ifs':

It's a grisly notion, but maybe worth considering.

-2 billion deaths will result in a smaller pollution footprint (maybe as much as 1/4 globally). This will have a significant impact on the environment, and accordingly the global climate.

This includes the 2 billion less humans exhaling carbon dioxide (not to mention all the animals that will perish also), which would also affect the atmospheric equation.

[pyrangello]

My buddy who is a surgeon and has done 30,000 operations told me once that every hundred years or so something comes around and wipes out a bunch of people (virus) . The influenza pandemic of 1917-18 did just that. My great grandpa, his first wife and 2 kids perished from that flu and then he met my great grandmother after that. So you could say I am a by-product of the flu. During this entire thread there have been so many scenarios thrown into the air, from timeline changes to mad max theories. If you let your mind really wander your ego will take you into nothing but fear period. I believe Avalon is the place where cooler heads prevail, where education is your best defense . And by staying educated and having an open mind, there is no fear. Are there earth changes happening, no question absolutely but just like the lake I live near, there are small floating Islands every year that move around the lake and when were out on the boat we just navigate around them as we shall do as each event happens in our lifetime. My buddy was in Hawaii when that missile alert went off, He said people were running everywhere in such a crazy fashion. He just looked at his wife and said if it's our time, I'm right with my life and where I'm going and it's all good, there is no fear. Good stuff though everyone who has contributed here. That's what the Avalon Family is all about isn't it :)

[Ernie Nemeth]

The human lineage tried going back to the sea but soon decided life on land was more advantageous. Try riding out a storm in those floating contraptions! And they won't look like the artistic rendition for long, either - salt water has a way of degrading everything immersed in it.

I wondered why the population of the planet increased so dramatically in the last 150 years? I don't give technology as much credit as some but the economic system set in place "encouraged" working and the resources followed. The increased resources allowed more people to flourish, while the economic system continued to entice more people to work. A vicious circle.

Now the human family is gargantuan and relies on the system entirely. The technology aspect has become far more important because without it many would necessarily perish. Yet the economic side keeps insisting on growth and mankind obliges. But because the economic system naturally separates the wheat from the chaff in terms of financial clout, the ranks of the poor continues to grow while financial assets continue to consolidate into fewer hands.

The human family is literally working itself to death.

So there is certain tragedy by continuing as we have been doing or something else.

I see this as bad news for the poor and the struggling. I see it as the final solution to a pesky problem - how to eliminate those that for whatever reason have not shown an affinity to the types of skills they must acquire to survive in today's world.

The rich hide in their bunkers or off world, the well-to-do in their bunkers and floating cities, and those without assets are on their own - and will be guarded against by the others in case they might come begging.

It is going to get messy. Add to that these predictions and, well, it looks pretty dire.

The only thing that can save us is to move to the next energy source - a limitless almost free power source that would allow anyone to provide the basic necessities of life for themselves and their dependants.

Free Energy Now!

[TEOTWAIKI]

I just read a really interesting book on the mechanics of crustal displacement.
Written in 1965, it has been "declassified in part - Sanitized Copy approved for release" in 2013.
Strangely enough it is on the See-I-aye website.

The title "The Adam and Eve Story" is a bit misleading.
The author is Chan Thomas and he describes a sudden global catastrophic event and how Genesis is telling us the story but pretty much got everything wrong because of misreading of the glyphs.

He even goes so far as to rewrite how Genesis should have been written had the author translated the glyphs correctly.

It's only fifty pages or so and written in a very entertaining fashion.
Really a fascinating read!

Here's the link:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79B00752A000300070001-8.pdf

Note: you need to go past the first couple of pages on the pdf to get to the actual book.

[Flash]

In the last Kerry’s interview of the pleiadian messenger, part 2 which has been taken off???, the interviewee says that the yellowstone caldera will blow up soon.

If true, this could start up a few millions dead from the start and then worlwide starvation, plus geological changes.

Who knows, it could be checked with dowsing maybe?

[onawah]

Dutchsinse talks about Yellowstone about 39 minutes in here:
mLCTj_tpPcU
In the last Kerry’s interview of the pleiadian messenger, part 2 which has been taken off???, the interviewee says that the yellowstone caldera will blow up soon.

If true, this could start up a few millions dead from the start and then worlwide starvation, plus geological changes.

Who knows, it could be checked with dowsing maybe?

[snoman]

The Antarctic melt-rate has tripled since 2012.
They have all been down there to see it for themselves.
The black disposal boxes are stacked.
The centres are on standby.

Gil- gamesh, what-have-yous, and all the escapees.

There will be a need for scribes, whatever the outcome.

yeah, a bit doomy but then again, it's the perennial millenarian in us int'it?

[dynamo]

...
Not only is this tragic, it's an incredible health hazard to those who survive.

Not to be macabre, but do any of the "survival" books talk about how to dispose of large quantities of corpses? This is something we don't like to think about, but that many dead people is incredibly problematic.

Digging graves is much too labor intensive and time consuming, and cremation is, I think, not as easy as one might expect.
Good point, ErtheVessel!
Rotting corpses is no laughing matter and can introduce world-wide plagues.

Someone should approach the FEMA people with this question.
Remember all of the articles a few years back about the strange "coffin size, plastic boxes" spotted in Georgia, U.S.?
Hundreds of thousands (if not more that had not been spotted) of them!
The manufacturer had better start producing them 24/7/365 LOL!

[Hervé]

In the last Kerry’s interview of the pleiadian messenger, part 2 which has been taken off???, the interviewee says that the yellowstone caldera will blow up soon.

If true, this could start up a few millions dead from the start and then worlwide starvation, plus geological changes.

Who knows, it could be checked with dowsing maybe?
Yellowstone... another favorite for scaremongers of the doom and gloomy human variety :)

Here is an article to help put things in perspective: Yellowstone supervolcano threat theory 'demonstrably false' - USGS expert to RT (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100175-Yellowstone-Supervolcano-May-Rumble-to-Life-Faster-Than-Thought&p=1194265&viewfull=1#post1194265)

Check this thread as well: Boiling To Life! Vents Opening Around Yellowstone (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90025-Boiling-To-Life--Vents-Opening-Around-Yellowstone)

The cliffs notes are that there isn't enough actual molten, "liquid" magma to trigger and sustain such an envisioned catastrophic scenario.

[wnlight]

Looking for precursors to my predicted earth changes may be problematic. I do expect a ramping up of earthquakes and vulcanism before the main event, but the timing is so difficult that I am not even attempting that for now - hopefully I can later - yet be timely.

Central Canada away from the Great Lakes or Hudson Bay looks good. Also Nebraska and the Dakotas, Iowa, Southwestern Wisconsin. The Southwest USA looks safe - West of Austin. Some mountainous areas may be dangerous as some so-called "dormant" or "extinct" volcanoes are expected to light up.

Canada, The Dakotas, Montana and such will be difficult places to live after the cold comes, but there will be plenty of warning. It will not at all be like in the movie "The day after tomorrow". Also, I expect that the mini ice age will be full on about ten to thirty years from now - most likely in 2035.

[onawah]

Unfortunately, the USGS is not reporting a lot of things (they're not reporting earthquakes in Oregon at all these days), and they were in denial for a long time that oil pumping, gas extraction, waste water disposal, fracking, etc. have anything to do with earthquake or volcanic activity. See Dutchsinse's comments starting at around 45 minutes in here:
Cr3NioPRtiI


In the last Kerry’s interview of the pleiadian messenger, part 2 which has been taken off???, the interviewee says that the yellowstone caldera will blow up soon.

If true, this could start up a few millions dead from the start and then worlwide starvation, plus geological changes.

Who knows, it could be checked with dowsing maybe?
Yellowstone... another favorite for scaremongers of the doom and gloomy human variety :)

Here is an article to help put things in perspective: Yellowstone supervolcano threat theory 'demonstrably false' - USGS expert to RT (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100175-Yellowstone-Supervolcano-May-Rumble-to-Life-Faster-Than-Thought&p=1194265&viewfull=1#post1194265)

Check this thread as well: Boiling To Life! Vents Opening Around Yellowstone (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90025-Boiling-To-Life--Vents-Opening-Around-Yellowstone)

The cliffs notes are that there isn't enough actual molten, "liquid" magma to trigger and sustain such an envisioned catastrophic scenario.

[onawah]

There's been quite a ramping up lately of earthquakes and vulcanism. Dutchsinse's reports are a good source of info on that.
Looking for precursors to my predicted earth changes may be problematic. I do expect a ramping up of earthquakes and vulcanism before the main event, but the timing is so difficult that I am not even attempting that for now - hopefully I can later - yet be timely.

[pyrangello]

To all, I have a good friend I call my Oracle :) lol , just a person I met years ago and is very dialed in. I forwarded some of this info to her, She concurred with many things that wnlight has stated but expressed her thoughts on this " I don't feel it will be that soon, it's more like 5 years out". She doesn't answer me right away , just comes to her . And has a pretty good accuracy rate too. In addition " I see much rain with an earthquake that breaks the tectonic plates, breaking apart causing the Midwest to be broken up, the Mississippi river has a lot to do with the water devastation". She also said in regards to Michigan -" there is a prediction out there that the state of Michigan will have a catastrophic event occur splitting it in half in the middle of the lower peninsula ".

Boy what an exhausting thread this has been filled with anxiety huh! It's one thing if you can deter something from happening but when there is nothing you can do , Oh BOY! We should rename this thread to "The OH BOY thread" lol. Got to find some humor in this . :) .

[onawah]

See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102531-Dangers-to-Communities-posed-by-Oil-Gas-Refineries&p=1229858&viewfull=1#post1229858

[Sunny]

Some people are already living with sea level rises. Cf: this article from 2014 about Kiribati. The only thing that was needed for it happen is processes already occurring on our planet

Quartz Media - https://qz.com/228948/an-entire-island-nation-is-preparing-to-evacuate-to-fiji-before-they-sink-into-the-pacific/

CLIMATE REFUGEES

An entire island nation is preparing to evacuate to Fiji before they sink into the Pacific

Gwynn Guilford
July 01, 2014

This has to be the weirdest business deal of the week: The Church of England just sold a chunk of forest-covered land on the Fijian island Vanua Levu for $8.8 million to the government of the Pacific island nation of Kiribati. For the moment, Kiribati plans to use its 20-square-kilometer (7.7-square-mile) plot for agriculture and fish farming. But the investment is really a fallback for its 103,000 residents—a place to live if they must leave their home island.

“We would hope not to put everyone on [this] one piece of land, but if it became absolutely necessary, yes, we could do it,” president Anote Tong told the Associated Press, via the Guardian. Tong is awaiting parliamentary approval of the land purchase before clearing that possibility formally with Fiji’s officials.

Why is Tong preparing for a mass defection to an island 2,000 kilometers away?

The seas around Kiribati’s 32 atolls (ring-shaped coral reefs) are rising 1.2 centimeters (0.5 inches) a year—about four times faster than the global average—thanks to the flux of ocean currents. Some experts think that by 2100, the country will have disappeared beneath the waves. That may be optimistic; some residents expect the sea to subsume their homes within 20 or 30 years.

That’s a grim outlook. But the present isn’t exactly peachy either. With its atolls no more than about three meters (9.8 feet) above sea level, Kiribati currently faces periodic food shortages thanks largely to rising tides. Not only does rampant flooding caused by spring tides destroy homes and businesses, but it also increases the salt content of the soil, ravaging crops and tainting fresh water sources. On top of that, coral bleaching caused by the heating of ocean waters has decimated the marine ecosystems built off those reefs, driving fish away. That’s why one of the short-term advantages of the purchase of the Vanua Levu plot is that it should help secure food supply for Kiribati’s residents.

The situation has gotten so bad that some Kiribati residents have tried to claim asylum in New Zealand, arguing that the burning of fossil fuels by industrial countries is a form of persecution against people vulnerable to its consequences. So far, courts have dismissed these arguments for emigration, which may be why the Kiribati government is opting for the investment route instead.

The people of Kiribati might have been the first to make these claims, but they probably won’t be the last; recent estimates predict that the number of “climate refugees”—people displaced by the effects of global warming—will reach 700 million by 2050.


If you want to watch actual footage of the South Pacific (and Bangladesh and Miami) getting indunated, the TV series "Years of Living Dangerously" has some. Some episodes are on You Tube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpB8sbYuefrX6bblUFUM1hQ

[norman]

I'm pretty certain "man made climate change" is a crock.

I'm also pretty certain that the climate IS changing.

I think the answer to Why ? . . . . will have a lot to do with this.

I keep on hearing that our solar system is moving into a region of space that has different properties to what 'we' have been used to for a long time.

Apparently, a close-by (4 light years) star suddenly flashed very brightly recently. So bright, that if it was our star our home planet would be toast.

What caused that flash ?

Is our sun about to do the same thing ?

Is it something to do with the drift into a different space environment ?


Oh, and if we just happen to be following along behind the one that flashed, how long will it take us to travel 4 light years ?

[norman]

https://api.ning.com/files/NuMzMmkjJ64NHy8i8ic-qe7YVTgq29WLP3KhxXTV3byOoP7lczay-WZyzc3uV0y3SPvpgIebqZXikWJQHZi5ES4YyWhpNh3z/53D58A4EB92F40DFA0A3811F1FA3D611.jpeg


It could be very simple.

They expect that not too far in the future they will be welcome nowhere on land on earth.

From a legal point of view, if they are in international waters, and have completely removed themselves from all land based property, no state on earth will find it easy to prosecute them for their financial crimes.

One thing I think I can safely say is that if the floating city is for their own use, they will create a sovereign state, much like the way CERN has been set up.

[Satori]

https://api.ning.com/files/NuMzMmkjJ64NHy8i8ic-qe7YVTgq29WLP3KhxXTV3byOoP7lczay-WZyzc3uV0y3SPvpgIebqZXikWJQHZi5ES4YyWhpNh3z/53D58A4EB92F40DFA0A3811F1FA3D611.jpeg


It could be very simple.

They expect that not too far in the future they will be welcome nowhere on land on earth.

From a legal point of view, if they are in international waters, and have completely removed themselves from all land based property, no state on earth will find it easy to prosecute them for their financial crimes.

One thing I think I can safely say is that if the floating city is for their own use, they will create a sovereign state, much like the way CERN has been set up.

A Water World for the world's worst.

They will not be free from prosecution even there. Some group, even if loosely connected, will see to that. Some how, some way, some time.

[TEOTWAIKI]

I'm pretty certain "man made climate change" is a crock.

I'm also pretty certain that the climate IS changing.

I think the answer to Why ? . . . . will have a lot to do with this.



Loihi is a volcanic seamount near Mona Loa and may become the next Hawaiian island in 10,000 years; it's already 10,000 ft tall.

When watching the Kilauea drama, I noticed one of the 10,000 earthquakes was centered on Loihi and started researching submarine volcanoes. Come to find out there are about 3 million of them but thankfully only a small percentage are active.
There was a report of a hole in the ice around the North Pole in 2015 which could have been the result of an underwater vent; 2016 was the lowest Arctic sea ice extent on record.

There have also been reports of submarine volcanoes melting Antarctic ice shelves so if i might posit the possibility that the loss of sea ice and increase of CO2 is not due to my gas guzzling motorcycle but rather an increase in activity of submarine volcanoes.

Why the increase you ask? That seems to be the $10,000 question but I am leaning towards a magnetic interaction with the "Local Fluff".

[wnlight]

Late last year Bill Ryan asked me to try as best I could to come up with a set of "precursor events" as he called them. These would be events that are not expected, but are unmistakably related to the restlessness of our planet Earth and to the catastrophic changes that I see coming in December of this year. He, and to an extent I, would watch for these precursors to add a level of believability to what I have reported for the end of this year. On January 14th, I placed this list on my web site, www.light.ec, and sent it to Bill. I told Bill that if only three of these eight volcanic events come to pass, we all should be very uneasy about December. Now, I feel, is the time to post that list on this forum. This is what I wrote.

“I have been asked to mention some pre-cursor events so as to make my December predictions more believable. I have focused my attention upon the USA, but I am sure that similar events will occur across the globe. Here is what I have discovered in meditation:

1 May, Hawaii. The big island will be devastated by the eruption of Mt Kilauea. The magnitude of death and destruction will be far greater than what happened in 2018. Mauna Loa will re-awaken.
2 June, California. The Mount Konocti volcano, part of Clear Lake Volcanic Field, will erupt.
3 June, Oregon. [Lower Potential] One of the Three Sisters may erupt.
4 August, California. [Lower Potential] Other volcanoes in the Clear Lake Volcanic Field may erupt.
5 September, California. A new volcano will erupt about ten miles NorthWest of Mono Lake near Willow Springs and Eagle Peak.
6 September, Oregon. A new volcano
7 October, California. A new volcano
8 November, California. A new volcano will erupt very close to LA. (Perhaps in Sierra Madre subburb)

“Disclaimer: Please bear in mind that my warnings of cataclysm are based upon my mediations and my dowsing. There is no proof that these events will ever come to pass. I have no control over the content except in my decision whether to publish the warnings. I hope that I can help people and not hurt people by causing them to flee from perfectly safe places. Predicting the future is a hit-or-miss proposition because there are many pathways that we may take. I look for the paths of greatest potential, and this is what I present to you.

“Look deep inside your heart and find the truth for yourself. Learn to meditate. Or, you can simply wait out this year and see for yourself.”

I now add that you should look for the Hawaii volcanic event to begin in the second half of May.

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Warren. Your dowsing results were discussed quite a bit at our meet-up in Laughlin.

[Bill Ryan]

Late last year Bill Ryan asked me to try as best I could to come up with a set of "precursor events" as he called them. These would be events that are not expected, but are unmistakably related to the restlessness of our planet Earth and to the catastrophic changes that I see coming in December of this year. He, and to an extent I, would watch for these precursors to add a level of believability to what I have reported for the end of this year. On January 14th, I placed this list on my web site, www.light.ec, and sent it to Bill. I told Bill that if only three of these eight volcanic events come to pass, we all should be very uneasy about December. Now, I feel, is the time to post that list on this forum. This is what I wrote.

“I have been asked to mention some pre-cursor events so as to make my December predictions more believable. I have focused my attention upon the USA, but I am sure that similar events will occur across the globe. Here is what I have discovered in meditation:

1 May, Hawaii. The big island will be devastated by the eruption of Mt Kilauea. The magnitude of death and destruction will be far greater than what happened in 2018. Mauna Loa will re-awaken.
2 June, California. The Mount Konocti volcano, part of Clear Lake Volcanic Field, will erupt.
3 June, Oregon. [Lower Potential] One of the Three Sisters may erupt.
4 August, California. [Lower Potential] Other volcanoes in the Clear Lake Volcanic Field may erupt.
5 September, California. A new volcano will erupt about ten miles NorthWest of Mono Lake near Willow Springs and Eagle Peak.
6 September, Oregon. A new volcano
7 October, California. A new volcano
8 November, California. A new volcano will erupt very close to LA. (Perhaps in Sierra Madre subburb)

“Disclaimer: Please bear in mind that my warnings of cataclysm are based upon my mediations and my dowsing. There is no proof that these events will ever come to pass. I have no control over the content except in my decision whether to publish the warnings. I hope that I can help people and not hurt people by causing them to flee from perfectly safe places. Predicting the future is a hit-or-miss proposition because there are many pathways that we may take. I look for the paths of greatest potential, and this is what I present to you.

“Look deep inside your heart and find the truth for yourself. Learn to meditate. Or, you can simply wait out this year and see for yourself.”

I now add that you should look for the Hawaii volcanic event to begin in the second half of May.

:bump:

Bumping this very important update post.

If #s 1-3 above do happen (and we'll know within 3 months), then we may all be in the biggest trouble of our lifetimes.

This is the importance of the precursor forecasts. It's like testing a hypothesis. If those precursors don't happen, then there may be good reason to suspect that the main forecast, that of huge cataclysms starting at the end of the year, is incorrect.

But if they do happen, I'd suggest we all need to take the main forecast very seriously. And Warren continues to hope that all this is baloney. He's just reporting it all out of duty, as it were, simply recording his data. We'll all know more soon.

[Krist]

2 June, California. The Mount Konocti volcano, part of Clear Lake Volcanic Field, will erupt.

This elevated my heart rate a bit.....little too close to home.

Thanks for the heads up.Time to start praying.

[Rosemarie]

Wnlight , what about where we live. Ecuador. It has been having lots of little earthquakes lately. The mayority out at sea, but still have been felt strongly in the coast ( around Salinas and Ruta del Sol )

[wnlight]

@ Rosemarie, There will be earthquakes felt here in Cuenca with some damage, but no more than we have suffered in the past few years. Other parts of Ecuador will fare worse. One or two volcanoes at Quito will erupt with lava pouring into residential areas. The Pacific coast will be hit by some serious tsunami. Low lying parts of Guayaquil will be hit by tsunami. Stay on the high ground there. Major low lying parts of the Galapagos Islands will be devastated.

- Warren

[Rosemarie]

@ Rosemarie, There will be earthquakes felt here in Cuenca with some damage, but no more than we have suffered in the past few years. Other parts of Ecuador will fare worse. One or two volcanoes at Quito will erupt with lava pouring into residential areas. The Pacific coast will be hit by some serious tsunami. Low lying parts of Guayaquil will be hit by tsunami. Stay on the high ground there. Major low lying parts of the Galapagos Islands will be devastated.

- Warren
Uff. Yes, I have a friend that bought a piece of land in Cuenca because of that reason and is always telling me to sell and move there. Let me tell you I am really considering it.
The worst part is that I live in a place called Entrerios or between rivers. We are going to be floating IF the building I live has not fallen and bye Rosemarie.
Sell, sell, sell Rosemarie !
Meanwhile, BR should rent me one of those little cabins in his property so I can start proyecting what I need to do.

[Bill Ryan]

@ Rosemarie, There will be earthquakes felt here in Cuenca with some damage, but no more than we have suffered in the past few years. Other parts of Ecuador will fare worse. One or two volcanoes at Quito will erupt with lava pouring into residential areas. The Pacific coast will be hit by some serious tsunami. Low lying parts of Guayaquil will be hit by tsunami. Stay on the high ground there. Major low lying parts of the Galapagos Islands will be devastated.

- Warren
Uff. Yes, I have a friend that bought a piece of land in Cuenca because of that reason and is always telling me to sell and move there. Let me tell you I am really considering it.
The worst part is that I live in a place called Entrerios or between rivers. We are going to be floating IF the building I live has not fallen and bye Rosemarie.
Sell, sell, sell Rosemarie !
Meanwhile, BR should rent me one of those little cabins in his property so I can start proyecting what I need to do.

Well, don't panic! :flower: None of this may happen at all.

But as I posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103059-Thinking-the-Unthinkable-a-WHAT-IF-scenario-should-there-be-major-sea-level-changes-coming-soon&p=1285178&viewfull=1#post1285178) a few hours ago: if these initial first 3 precursors do happen as forecast (see Warren's important post # 92 above) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1285099#post1285099), then it may be time to start making some backup plans.


May, Hawaii. The big island will be devastated by the eruption of Mt Kilauea. The magnitude of death and destruction will be far greater than what happened in 2018. Mauna Loa will re-awaken.
June, California. The Mount Konocti volcano, part of Clear Lake Volcanic Field, will erupt.
June, Oregon. [Lower Potential] One of the Three Sisters may erupt.

[Constance]

Late last year Bill Ryan asked me to try as best I could to come up with a set of "precursor events" as he called them. These would be events that are not expected, but are unmistakably related to the restlessness of our planet Earth and to the catastrophic changes that I see coming in December of this year. He, and to an extent I, would watch for these precursors to add a level of believability to what I have reported for the end of this year. On January 14th, I placed this list on my web site, www.light.ec, and sent it to Bill. I told Bill that if only three of these eight volcanic events come to pass, we all should be very uneasy about December. Now, I feel, is the time to post that list on this forum. This is what I wrote.

“I have been asked to mention some pre-cursor events so as to make my December predictions more believable. I have focused my attention upon the USA, but I am sure that similar events will occur across the globe. Here is what I have discovered in meditation:

1 May, Hawaii. The big island will be devastated by the eruption of Mt Kilauea. The magnitude of death and destruction will be far greater than what happened in 2018. Mauna Loa will re-awaken.
2 June, California. The Mount Konocti volcano, part of Clear Lake Volcanic Field, will erupt.
3 June, Oregon. [Lower Potential] One of the Three Sisters may erupt.
4 August, California. [Lower Potential] Other volcanoes in the Clear Lake Volcanic Field may erupt.
5 September, California. A new volcano will erupt about ten miles NorthWest of Mono Lake near Willow Springs and Eagle Peak.
6 September, Oregon. A new volcano
7 October, California. A new volcano
8 November, California. A new volcano will erupt very close to LA. (Perhaps in Sierra Madre subburb)

“Disclaimer: Please bear in mind that my warnings of cataclysm are based upon my mediations and my dowsing. There is no proof that these events will ever come to pass. I have no control over the content except in my decision whether to publish the warnings. I hope that I can help people and not hurt people by causing them to flee from perfectly safe places. Predicting the future is a hit-or-miss proposition because there are many pathways that we may take. I look for the paths of greatest potential, and this is what I present to you.

“Look deep inside your heart and find the truth for yourself. Learn to meditate. Or, you can simply wait out this year and see for yourself.”

I now add that you should look for the Hawaii volcanic event to begin in the second half of May.

Hi Warren,
I have been following this all very closely, ever since you first started sharing your predictions.

I was just wondering if you had dowsed to see whether the predictions you have made are for this timeline or an alternative timeline, this world or an alternative world? (in a parallel universe)

[DNA]

Late last year Bill Ryan asked me to try as best I could to come up with a set of "precursor events" as he called them. These would be events that are not expected, but are unmistakably related to the restlessness of our planet Earth and to the catastrophic changes that I see coming in December of this year. He, and to an extent I, would watch for these precursors to add a level of believability to what I have reported for the end of this year. On January 14th, I placed this list on my web site, www.light.ec, and sent it to Bill. I told Bill that if only three of these eight volcanic events come to pass, we all should be very uneasy about December. Now, I feel, is the time to post that list on this forum. This is what I wrote.

“I have been asked to mention some pre-cursor events so as to make my December predictions more believable. I have focused my attention upon the USA, but I am sure that similar events will occur across the globe. Here is what I have discovered in meditation:

1 May, Hawaii. The big island will be devastated by the eruption of Mt Kilauea. The magnitude of death and destruction will be far greater than what happened in 2018. Mauna Loa will re-awaken.
2 June, California. The Mount Konocti volcano, part of Clear Lake Volcanic Field, will erupt.
3 June, Oregon. [Lower Potential] One of the Three Sisters may erupt.
4 August, California. [Lower Potential] Other volcanoes in the Clear Lake Volcanic Field may erupt.
5 September, California. A new volcano will erupt about ten miles NorthWest of Mono Lake near Willow Springs and Eagle Peak.
6 September, Oregon. A new volcano
7 October, California. A new volcano
8 November, California. A new volcano will erupt very close to LA. (Perhaps in Sierra Madre subburb)

“Disclaimer: Please bear in mind that my warnings of cataclysm are based upon my mediations and my dowsing. There is no proof that these events will ever come to pass. I have no control over the content except in my decision whether to publish the warnings. I hope that I can help people and not hurt people by causing them to flee from perfectly safe places. Predicting the future is a hit-or-miss proposition because there are many pathways that we may take. I look for the paths of greatest potential, and this is what I present to you.

“Look deep inside your heart and find the truth for yourself. Learn to meditate. Or, you can simply wait out this year and see for yourself.”

I now add that you should look for the Hawaii volcanic event to begin in the second half of May.

Hi Warren,
I have been following this all very closely, ever since you first started sharing your predictions.
I was just wondering if you had dowsed to see whether the predictions you have made are for this timeline or an alternative timeline, this world or an alternative world? (in a parallel universe)
Hi Constance
You were telling a story at the meet up, and you got to a part where you were seeing devastation in Italy and I then transitioned to Chuck because of how he was telling me about Warren's dowsing earlier that day and how much that part of your story reminded me of that, I felt that there was a connection there.

But, I fully intended to try and segway back to your story for it's completion, and some how I failed in that and I apologize.

I did not mean to minimize and or cut your story short.

If at all possible maybe you could write your story and start a thread with it. And or if you feel it some how has a corroboration here maybe you could post it here.

I would be very interested in hearing your story until it's completion.

And again I apologize if and how I cut your story short.

[Constance]

Hi Constance
You were telling a story at the meet up, and you got to a part where you were seeing devastation in Italy and I then transitioned to Chuck because of how he was telling me about Warren's dowsing earlier that day and how much that part of your story reminded me of that, I felt that there was a connection there.

But, I fully intended to try and segway back to your story for it's completion, and some how I failed in that and I apologize.

I did not mean to minimize and or cut your story short.

If at all possible maybe you could write your story and start a thread with it. And or if you feel it some how has a corroboration here maybe you could post it here.

I would be very interested in hearing your story until it's completion.

And again I apologize if and how I cut your story short.

Hey Marcus :flower:

No need to apologise at all dear one :heart:

I just want to reassure you that absolutely no offense was taken at all. I have the philosophy that everything happens in divine time and the direction you headed in at that time was perfect.

The story I shared was private and really only for the folk at the gathering, however, I will happily share the rest of the story with you privately and explore the connections you have intuited yourself with you if that is any help to you? :bearhug:

[wnlight]

@Constance, Sorry, but we are on a timeline that includes the impending world-wide catastrophe in December. I asked some timeline questions inspired by your question and received an amazing result. The answer is that there are many timelines that include this same catastrophe, and they will all converge in December. This answer has opened up many questions in my mind that I will have to sift though. I am still trying to fully grasp just what alternative timeline really are, and if and how they may interact. Please keep in mind that I never accept important dowsing results at first. They must past a test of time and repeated questioning. The problem here is that there is very little time left before December.

[TomKat]

In 1992 I subscribed to Gordon-Michael Scallion's newsletter. He was holed up in New Hampshire, waiting for his version of the Cayce map to manifest on the Earth. California was to start sinking in 1993. He's still living in VT today but, at 76 years old, has hopefully given up on the idea.

Now someone who moved to Ecuador to wait out the end of civilization is predicting the Cayce map will soon manifest. I suspect his map shows Ecuador will be safe...

And I predict my location will be safe, for we create our own realities and choose our own timelines.

[wnlight]

@ Delight, I have no desire for this calamity in December that I have recently announced. I write "recently" because I have been seeing this coming for twelve years. I do not wish it. I kept this to my self for ten years but then decided that I should warn those who would listen. I have no need to be right. I have told Bill that come January that if all that I have written being false would certainly leave "egg on my face". I would much prefer the taste of that egg to the alternative of being some kind of psychic - no matter how correct. I have seen in my dreams people floundering in the sea. I do not wish to see it on the nightly news. Next year I will breath much easier if I have been proven to be totally wrong. I have a concern that I might be convincing some to unnecessarily flee what I have written are dangerous locations, but only to be proven wrong. That is why I include a disclaimer statement. What am I to do? Just remain silent about all this? What would you do in my place?


If you were to look at my web site, www.light.ec, you would discover that I also tell of happier things. Of angels and self-health and other great human capabilities that are mostly ignored. I do not simply dwell upon the negatives.

[Delight]

Sorry, but we are on a timeline that includes the impending world-wide catastrophe in December

It is just sounding a bit above as if you are already convinced and sometimes that does include a subconscious bias. To say prefer was strong,and yet one might have created an internal "identity" about the prophecy which is not a conscious preference.

But sorry if I sound accusatory. Hopefully you will have egg on your face and that will be great.

[justntime2learn]

Hi Warren,

I've been following your thread since May, 2018.

I can't imagine the burden you must feel . Not only do I believe You, but feel like I have a good grasp on what you have been presenting for almost a year.

Some may find your thread from October, 2016 interesting: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94125-And-the-winner-is---&highlight=winner

Personally, I think you're a hero!

Also, I've noticed how polite you are.

Blessings my friend!

Chuck

[Constance]

@Constance, Sorry, but we are on a timeline that includes the impending world-wide catastrophe in December. I asked some timeline questions inspired by your question and received an amazing result. The answer is that there are many timelines that include this same catastrophe, and they will all converge in December. This answer has opened up many questions in my mind that I will have to sift though. I am still trying to fully grasp just what alternative timeline really are, and if and how they may interact. Please keep in mind that I never accept important dowsing results at first. They must past a test of time and repeated questioning. The problem here is that there is very little time left before December.

Thanks so much for responding Warren :bearhug:

I fully appreciate what you have had to say here when tapping into all the possibilities that exist within the true nature of our reality, it really can be a plot twist and create more questions than answers!

I have had to seriously consider that there could be many more timelines than one could possibly ever imagine. My mind goes into overdrive when I think about the possibility of them all converging but I've had the last 19 years to consider this :).

One day, I would love to have a serious chat with you about all these things and more.

It has also come to my attention that when dowsing, one does have to be able to see consistent results before one can make a judgement call, and especially in this case when so many lives are at stake. I do take what you have said into consideration however because of what I have seen for myself many many times.

I really enjoyed reading your website and especially in relation to parking angels. I never used to believe in the role of parking angels until a few years ago. :flower:

[TomKat]

It has also come to my attention that when dowsing, one does have to be able to see consistent results before one can make a judgement call, and especially in this case when so many lives are at stake. I do take what you have said seriously however because of what I have seen for myself many many times.


In the 60s I read a book that I can't remember the name of. It was one of those "For the Millions" books, written by an old metaphysical seeker. What he said has stood me in good stead. He said that most dire predictions do not come true, and those that do come true, do so much more mildly than predicted.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

For those interested in doing a little prepping, my blog has information that may be beneficial. I am not selling anything. :-)
Ideas For Self Reliant Living During Financially Turbulent Times (http://ronmauer.net/blog/).

[justntime2learn]

Hello Warren,



I would personally like to thank you for your work to inform humanity of events that may come. I realize what tremendous efforts you have tirelessly performed for the benefit of us all.



Many of us, including myself, have had visions and dreams similar to your predictions. I am not afraid of our future and your predictions never promote fear in me, but rather a hope for peace through the knowledge you have presented. I have high hopes of raising our universal consciousness for peace of mind and the future of our human race.



I have had an emergency plan for close to 5 years. That plan has not changed after learning of your dowsing predictions. I don't live my life any differently. I do believe that greed and human ego has lead to the continued depletion of our blessed planets elements for survival.



I believe you have been given a tremendous gift which you have unselfishly used for our mutual benefit rather than any self-serving motivation, and I thank you for that.

[Bill Ryan]

@ Delight, I have no desire for this calamity in December that I have recently announced. I write "recently" because I have been seeing this coming for twelve years. I do not wish it. I kept this to my self for ten years but then decided that I should warn those who would listen. I have no need to be right. I have told Bill that come January that if all that I have written being false would certainly leave "egg on my face". I would much prefer the taste of that egg to the alternative of being some kind of psychic - no matter how correct. I have seen in my dreams people floundering in the sea. I do not wish to see it on the nightly news. Next year I will breath much easier if I have been proven to be totally wrong. I have a concern that I might be convincing some to unnecessarily flee what I have written are dangerous locations, but only to be proven wrong. That is why I include a disclaimer statement. What am I to do? Just remain silent about all this? What would you do in my place?

If you were to look at my web site, www.light.ec, you would discover that I also tell of happier things. Of angels and self-health and other great human capabilities that are mostly ignored. I do not simply dwell upon the negatives.

:bump:

I'd like to bump this rather heartfelt post. I know Warren, and he and I were talking about this in person just this morning. Chuck (justntime2learn) is dead right when he posted in reply (#107 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103059-Thinking-the-Unthinkable-a-WHAT-IF-scenario-should-there-be-major-sea-level-changes-coming-soon&p=1285571&viewfull=1#post1285571)) that this is all a burden. It sure is.

To remind ourselves: Warren is a professional mathematician who's as grounded and sane as they come, and used to do work at Fermilab and the US Atomic Test Site. He's no silly woo-woo lightweight featherhead. This information has been coming at him unchanged for 12 years, and it's totally no fun.

His question to us: "What am I to do? Just remain silent about all this? What would you do in my place?" ... is worth thinking about.

I'll also share my own counsel to him. The use of language here is very important. There's a lot of difference between
"this is going to happen"
and

"my dowsing consistently tells me this is going to happen."
It may make all the difference to (e.g.) poor Rosemarie, who lives in Guayaquil on the Ecuador coast and may now be having some trouble sleeping. :bearhug: It's a huge responsibility to be causing others to wonder whether to sell their property or not. I mean, suppose nothing happens??

The Wolf, Wolf syndrome is also all around us. Y2K? December 2012? Ed Dames' 'Killshot'? The Yellowstone Supervolcano? 'The Event'? People grow weary of failed predictions, both apocalyptic and transformative. So Warren is also tarred with that brush, through no fault of his own.

That's why I suggested to him a while back that he also dowse to identify precursors (lesser/smaller events happening months before the major ones). Then if those happen, we should maybe all start to pay attention; and if they don't, then, well, the main predictions just seem far less likely to be correct.

And if this really is something we're somehow destined to crash into, we could expect (e.g.) hundreds more people to be writing to Linda Howe (as they already started to do last year) reporting frightening dreams of huge inundations of water. See her 24 Oct 2018 livestream, starting at 07:50. So let's see if Linda says more about all this, too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSygVnPtSmc
In conclusion, look at all this from the viewpoint of a science experiment.

Warren has experimental data, and has formed a hypothesis. His hypothesis makes predictions, which can be checked (the precursors). The hypotheses have not yet been confirmed or negated. But we may know more within a few months.

Next, as with any good science experiment, others should try to replicate it. Not necessarily by dowsing... by any means available to anyone reading this. It's a serious suggestion. If others can NOT replicate this 'experimental data', then those results are rightly cast into doubt... it's the scientific method. I do recommend this is how we should be thinking about this right now, and NOT in any other way that may be worrying or just simply unproductive.

[petra]

What am I to do? remain silent about all this? What would you do in my place?

If you were to look at my web site, www.light.ec, you would discover that I also tell of happier things. Of angels and self-health and other great human capabilities that are mostly ignored. I do not simply dwell upon the negatives.

Please do not feel guilty about "dwelling" on the negative 😀 I think what my mother used to keep tell me could be coming true. She said the dark needs to be brought to light in order to get destroyed. She also used to tell me to keep my thoughts pure. Well which one? I made up my mind.

Thanks for the site link 😀

In your place, I'd have to say something too, and I hope you're wrong just as much as you. It just doesn't make sense to me, for the future to be set in stone so to speak. I remember this quote from my thoughts..."Time is like a fire, ever changing as it burns", but something else tells me that's a "white lie". It's creepy honestly, and so what ever is going on, I just keep wanting it to be over with (without any disasters!!!)

[Constance]

In conclusion, look at all this from the viewpoint of a science experiment.

Warren has experimental data, and has formed a hypothesis. His hypothesis makes predictions, which can be checked (the precursors). The hypotheses have not yet been confirmed or negated. But we may know more within a few months.

Next, as with any good science experiment, others should try to replicate it. Not necessarily by dowsing... by any means available to anyone reading this. It's a serious suggestion. If others can NOT replicate this 'experimental data', then those results are rightly cast into doubt... it's the scientific method. I do recommend this is how we should be thinking about this right now, and NOT in any other way that may be worrying or just simply unproductive.

I'd be up for that and only too happy to do it in a way that is practical and productive. If my experiments cannot replicate the experimental data, then I would be most happy to report on that. Would there be anyone else willing to help and work with me on this?

[Constance]

Thanks for that Chuck.

I believe that we can't afford to lose our heads or change our lives over any predictions - because for the most part, we really don't know what dimensions we are tapping into when we receive these predictions or what could be potentially influencing us?

I look at how multidimensional we really are in our beings. I think that so much of what we think we are making a conscious choice/decision about is not as conscious as it appears to be. I don't think we have as much control over what happens in our lives as what we'd like to think simply because of all the external influences that most of us are subject to. It could be an external influence as simple as the food we eat. Perhaps we really only have a tiny piece of the puzzle when it comes to understanding the true nature of our reality.

The more time I spend on this planet, the more I have come to realise how little I really know. I always come back to that thought. It is very humbling and keeps me in check.

Even though I have had many visions, dreams, experiences that have showed devastation in this world/other worlds, what I perceive or think I have tapped into at this point in time could be so vastly different from what I perceive in the future. If I was to take any of the visions, dreams and experiences that I have seen or had, seriously or personally, I would be a nervous wreck. Really I would!

I've just had to step back from everything that is external to myself and say to myself, what brings me peace? The only real thing that can ever bring me peace is by living fully in the present moment and responding to that and only that which is happening in the present moment.

I have taken into consideration everything that Warren has said. I earnestly want to understand the data he has presented (to honour him) but simultaneously, I can also see that what we understand in this moment in time could be like the shifting sands in the desert. I may think that I have a grasp on what is really happening, I may think I have a grasp on that particular facet of reality and then in the next minute, poof! The sands have shifted again and a whole new set of realisations and awareness emerges that supercedes the old information. There is always a bigger picture emerging and I can miss it if I am not truly open to it.

I am therefore, always eager to be looking into the unknown, always open to whatever comes my way. I don't hang my hat on anything anymore but I do love to experiment with life! I see life as one giant experiment.


As Bruce Lee so famously once said and which I now apply to my life, "Be like water".




Hello Warren,



I would personally like to thank you for your work to inform humanity of events that may come. I realize what tremendous efforts you have tirelessly performed for the benefit of us all.



Many of us, including myself, have had visions and dreams similar to your predictions. I am not afraid of our future and your predictions never promote fear in me, but rather a hope for peace through the knowledge you have presented. I have high hopes of raising our universal consciousness for peace of mind and the future of our human race.



I have had an emergency plan for close to 5 years. That plan has not changed after learning of your dowsing predictions. I don't live my life any differently. I do believe that greed and human ego has lead to the continued depletion of our blessed planets elements for survival.



I believe you have been given a tremendous gift which you have unselfishly used for our mutual benefit rather than any self-serving motivation, and I thank you for that.

[wnlight]

I did not move to Cuenca, Ecuador, out of fear of world-wide catastrophe. I moved here to escape the extremely high cost of my wife's medical expenses. A vial of insulin that she used cost $135 in the States in 2011 and $30 in Ecuador. The same insulin and the same brand. It was the same quality. This pattern was true for all of her other medical expenses. I was retired and my savings were being depleted at an alarming rate. I was not so sure that is was safe to live in the Andes Mountains surrounded by volcanoes and tested by earthquakes.

Also, there were serious political problems that had been rising in the USA that most of the populace had refused to face. I addressed that in my web site stating that we were tired of living in the Fourth Reich. We were tired of continuous war. It seemed that "1984" was coming true.

[AriG]

The only solution is universal healthcare. No one should ever have to make decisions like that.

On another note, try moqua (Spanish for bitter melon). Lowers glycemic index substantially!

[petra]

I may think I have a grasp on that particular facet of reality and then in the next minute, poof! The sands have shifted again and a whole new set of realisations and awareness emerges that supercedes the old information. There is always a bigger picture emerging and I can miss it if I am not truly open to it.


That's just how it feels with me also, except I see it more cynically lol
I remember feeling like I was being "Zapped into a box", where understanding was not possible.
Then I'd be "Zapped out of the box" and I'd suddenly understand.
This figurative box is kind of like a psychological wall I suppose.
The way our minds make connections is really fascinating really, and from my perspective, it feels as if my higher self is communicating with me using my own memories.

[AuCo]

Hi Waren,

Did you already try some runs on the destruction/reduction of vegetations in these cities?

AuCo

[ghostrider]

We will see some islands sink, along with some coastal flooding in Europe and America... it's too late to stop the reaping , we have sown it , yin/yang...

[pyrangello]

I printed the timeline warren laid out, will be monitoring the timeline . Fear only manifests itself from being unaware and uneducated and I suppose close minded as well. Life is like a gauntlet, we maneuver , we shift , and we adapt when we have to if we are aware of what the possibilities are ahead. But if we have no clue, Then fear and panic sets in. I'm comfortable marching towards the timelines Warren and have an open mind of the what ifs. There is a very large comfort level having a support group here in the Avalon family that is knowledgeable and willing to voice their genuine beliefs without fear of being alienated , but instead being embraced for the energy that is put forward as a precaution for our safety. My thanks is extended for your stepping forward with your concerns and Bills 2cd on that. Hopefully this will not manifest and I will not be giving you a live broadcast from my pontoon boat in december . :) .

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Waren,

Did you already try some runs on the destruction/reduction of vegetations in these cities?

AuCo

(Just a note here on Warren's behalf)

He's traveling extensively for the next 6 weeks, leaving home I think in 2-3 days' time; so he may very likely not be in a position to respond in much detail to questions, if at all.

But I do know that when he returns at the end of May he'll definitely be checking in on this thread and also sharing any personal updates he may have. In the meantime, let's all just stay tuned and watch things carefully — particularly re Hawaii, of course.

[wnlight]

I am soooo happy that the big island of Hawaii has not erupted this May. I have known this for the last three days (by dowsing). And have been remiss in reporting such to you. Hawaii will be safe at least until December.

I am nearly fully recovered from a most alarming infection in my right leg. This came up my last day in Sri Lanka, 3May2019. I had no energy. This information is not related to this thread except to explain my near total absence from PA.

[justntime2learn]

I'm so happy to know you're almost fully recovered, Warren!

Have a blessed day my friend :)

[Franny]

I'm pleased that infection didn't get you down, Warren, stay well.

I'm happy also that Hawaii Island is still here and in one piece, I really love this place. I'll be leaving for about 12 days tomorrow. It had better be here when I get back!

You are saying that December isn't looking good for Hawaii?

[wnlight]

@ latte, Aloha nui loa. I also love Hawaii. I lived in Ewa Beach on Oahu for two years, and have returned several times. My youngest son was born in Tripler hospital overlooking Pearl Harbor.

I am told that Hawaii will undergo major changes this December. There will be vast, new land risen from the sea and connecting the islands. Pearl Harbor will become land-locked! These changes will entail earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, but not to the same extent that I was warned of that might have happened last Month. There will be tsunami from all the other earth changes elsewhere.

Disclaimer: Please bear in mind that my warnings of cataclysm are based upon my mediations and my dowsing. There is no proof that these events will ever come to pass. I have no control over the content except in my decision whether to publish the warnings. I hope that I can help people by awakening them to these potential dangers. I hope I do not hurt people by causing them to flee from perfectly safe places. Predicting the future is a hit-or-miss proposition because there are many pathways that we may take. I look for the paths of greatest potential, and this is what I present to you.

[Constance]

I am soooo happy that the big island of Hawaii has not erupted this May. I have known this for the last three days (by dowsing). And have been remiss in reporting such to you. Hawaii will be safe at least until December.

I am nearly fully recovered from a most alarming infection in my right leg. This came up my last day in Sri Lanka, 3May2019. I had no energy. This information is not related to this thread except to explain my near total absence from PA.

Hi Warren :flower:

I'm so glad to hear that you are on the mend. :bearhug:

:heart:

[Kryztian]

I am soooo happy that the big island of Hawaii has not erupted this May. I have known this for the last three days (by dowsing). And have been remiss in reporting such to you. Hawaii will be safe at least until December.


Warren: so glad to hear you are better and so glad to hear things are quiet in Hawaii.

Does the fact that Hawaii did not erupt change the scenario, including the population changes, that is predicted for the end of this year?

Also you mentioned that there could be an erruption at Mount Konocti (California) or at the Three Sisters (Oregon) this month. Is that still a strong possibility?

[Franny]

Aloha nui loa Warren, mahalo for your kokua and aloha. I'm glad you lived here too. It is a wonderful place that I never want to leave. But there are many wonderful places on our wonderful planet and things are changing. So changing location may be what I will do; it has been on my mind for a while now. Cost is an issue so I will do what I can but I don't worry much about it. I am concerned about those that will be left behind and if I remain I hope I'll be able to help. I've had some dreams about just that but not sure if it was here.

I saw the US military report that Bill Deagle references a few years ago that predicts a much smaller population in the the US by 2023 or 2025. It will be down by about 2/3s according to the report. The report did not indicate what the cause will be. So the timing is shifting but it seems that big changes are likely to come. Other countries will change also, some with similar intensity and some with less, so it's worldwide. It's interesting that they have known for so long. And yet, life rolls along.

I do understand about your predictions and that you do your best to present your findings and I appreciate your contribution very much. So many things can happen between a finding and the future to change the best prediction so we probably shouldn't bet the farm on it if we had one. But one can be prepared. :) Thank you.

[Kryztian]

French Island Might Be Sitting On Top of Gigantic Underwater Magma Shift
The tiny island of Mayotte is at the epicenter of a mysterious underwater phenomena which began last year.
By David Grossman
Mar 20, 2019
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a26873203/french-island-gigantic-underwater-magma-shift/


Many of the Earth's most dramatic natural phenomena are hidden from us. For example: according to a new pre-print paper, the largest offshore volcanic event in recorded history happened last November.

If you don't remember, don't worry. No human on the planet could feel the event, and many seismic machines also missed it.

At the time, November 11, 2018, scientists noted that "something big" was happening. The origin point seemed to be located near the African island nation of Madagascar and island of Mayotte, which is controlled by the French government. “What’s unusual is you see this very long signal traveling most of the way around the world which hasn’t been detected by operational earthquake detection systems,” said Stephen Hicks at the time, a seismologist at the University of Southampton speaking to The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/30/magma-shift-mysterious-seismic-wave-event-mayotte).

Geologists had been paying attention to the region since May 2018, when the Madagascar-Mayotte region was hit by a 5.8 earthquake. Scientists weren't sure, but after the November event, they suspected the two were related.

While the event is still mysterious, the new paper from researchers at the French Geological Survey and France’s Ecole Normale Supérieure offers some suggestions. It appears that a vast amount of magma shifted on the ocean's floor. That shifting caused the ground below the magma, known as a magma chamber, to significantly deflate. That's what led to the invisible rumbling.

It's a solid theory that makes sense. But a major problem, as Gizmodo notes, is that there's a major lack in offshore monitoring of earthquakes. "The 2018 event at Mayotte does appear to show a substantial volume of magma leaving a deep storage region which, if erupted, would make this indeed one of the largest recent submarine eruptions documented," says Samuel Mitchell, an expert in underwater eruptions at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa, speaking to the site. Scientists have not ruled out the chance that something else is happening deep below the ocean floor.

The event appears to still be ongoing, whatever it is, and still affecting the area around Mayotte, which has a population of around 246,000. Readings indicate that the seafloor off the French island's eastern shoreline is sinking at a rate of approximately 0.4 inches per month.

"The people in Mayotte really want to know what’s going to happen next,” says Jean Paul Ampuero, a seismologist and director of research at France’s Research Institute for Development, speaking to Gizmodo. That understandable, considering all the unknowns still at play:, like what's causing the volcanic activity. There are also curious and unsubstantiated reports of deep-sea fish burning up in the magma shift.

[wnlight]

The marvelous fact that Hawaii has dodged the bullet as far as the predicted major eruptions this May does give us a little hope that other "precursor" predictions on my list may not happen. But I will not relax until a few more of these precursors fail to occur. Let's do hope that none of this will happen.

I will continue to question all of the details of my predictions on a daily basis.

[DNA]

The marvelous fact that Hawaii has dodged the bullet as far as the predicted major eruptions this May does give us a little hope that other "precursor" predictions on my list may not happen. But I will not relax until a few more of these precursors fail to occur. Let's do hope that none of this will happen.

I will continue to question all of the details of my predictions on a daily basis.


Big fan of your work wnlight. We talked about your work quite a bit at the Laughlin meetup.

I'm of the opinion that Edgar Cayce's prophecy holds a lot of keys, especially that continental earthquakes will start after WWIII.

Makes me think earth quake technology will be used by various sides if WWIII ever does take place.

[pyrangello]

This got my attention .
Carbon Monoxide Gas Spewing from Ground Signals Possible Coming Earthquake for eastern Pennsylvania and New Jersey

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/carbon-monoxide-gas-spewing-from-ground-signals-possible-coming-earthquake-for-eastern-pennsylvania-and-new-jersey

[Kryztian]

“I have been asked to mention some pre-cursor events so as to make my December predictions more believable. I have focused my attention upon the USA, but I am sure that similar events will occur across the globe. Here is what I have discovered in meditation:

1 May, Hawaii. The big island will be devastated by the eruption of Mt Kilauea. The magnitude of death and destruction will be far greater than what happened in 2018. Mauna Loa will re-awaken. {Did not happen. Yay!}
2 June, California. The Mount Konocti volcano, part of Clear Lake Volcanic Field, will erupt.
3 June, Oregon. [Lower Potential] One of the Three Sisters may erupt.
4 August, California. [Lower Potential] Other volcanoes in the Clear Lake Volcanic Field may erupt.
5 September, California. A new volcano will erupt about ten miles NorthWest of Mono Lake near Willow Springs and Eagle Peak.
6 September, Oregon. A new volcano
7 October, California. A new volcano
8 November, California. A new volcano will erupt very close to LA. (Perhaps in Sierra Madre subburb)

“Disclaimer: Please bear in mind that my warnings of cataclysm are based upon my mediations and my dowsing. There is no proof that these events will ever come to pass. I have no control over the content except in my decision whether to publish the warnings. I hope that I can help people and not hurt people by causing them to flee from perfectly safe places. Predicting the future is a hit-or-miss proposition because there are many pathways that we may take. I look for the paths of greatest potential, and this is what I present to you.



The San Jose Mercury News reported an Earthquake of magnitude 4.1 just 12 miles SSW of Mt. Konocti.
Two earthquakes within 15 minutes on fringes of Bay Area (https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/11/two-earthquakes-within-15-minutes-on-fringes-of-bay-area/)
PUBLISHED: June 11, 2019 at 6:22 am


Two earthquakes struck on the fringes of the Bay Area in the first hour of Tuesday.

The larger, magnitude 4.1, was recorded at 12:46 a.m. near Sonoma County’s Cobb Mountain, 10 miles east of Cloverdale, the United States Geological Survey said.

Fifty people responded to the USGS Did You Feel It? site, reporting shaking from Clear Lake to Santa Rosa.

Within a day there were also earthquakes in Hollister, CA, Topohan, NV and a 4.1 near Cleveland OH.

Here's a map, yellow line connects location of the Cloverdale earthquake with Mt. Konocti.
https://i.imgur.com/zUgLntZ.jpg

[Kryztian]

A swarm of 1,000 earthquakes hit Southern California — how nervous should we be?
By Rong-Gong Lin II
Jun 19, 2019 | 3:00 AM
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-earthquake-swarm-small-20190619-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2IQcJUsQvo-rG1D4d46sGwWrn8Pe-OIYnZwISvI0vpVp7z58sQfF-w7zQ



The seismic storm that unleashed more than 1,000 small earthquakes in San Bernardino and Riverside counties these last three weeks elicited what has become a typical reaction in quake country.

To some, the “swarmageddon” 40 miles east of downtown Los Angeles brought fear that a bigger threat was coming. To others, as long as they didn’t feel a shake, it was easy to just put it out of their minds.

California has small quakes all the time — a magnitude 3 every other day, on average. But not all of them act the same, and some bring more danger than others.

As officials install more seismic sensors as part of the state’s early warning system, experts are getting an increasingly better look at California’s smaller earthquakes.

Article continue here (https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-earthquake-swarm-small-20190619-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2IQcJUsQvo-rG1D4d46sGwWrn8Pe-OIYnZwISvI0vpVp7z58sQfF-w7zQ) with maps showing where earthquakes hit.

[Alan]

“I have been asked to mention some pre-cursor events so as to make my December predictions more believable. I have focused my attention upon the USA, but I am sure that similar events will occur across the globe. Here is what I have discovered in meditation:

1 May, Hawaii. The big island will be devastated by the eruption of Mt Kilauea. The magnitude of death and destruction will be far greater than what happened in 2018. Mauna Loa will re-awaken.
2 June, California. The Mount Konocti volcano, part of Clear Lake Volcanic Field, will erupt.
3 June, Oregon. [Lower Potential] One of the Three Sisters may erupt.


Any updates on this? Looks like the June predictions did not come true.

[avid]

Warren - after seeing underwater videos near Cuba of ancient cities over 2000 feet below sea level, with pyramids etc, please can you extrapolate on your dowsings more recently?
I am so worried about your map and datelines, please redowse asap, thanks, Avid.

[OldArcher]

Mr. Neun's findings are nothing less than amazing. I wonder if he will publish, or would share his methodology in Dowsing. Being a Dowser, I stand in awe of his attention to detail, and exactitude in his prognostications. Clearly, Mr. Neun is in a class of his own, at the peak of his particular are of Dowsing. My hat is off to him!

OldArcher

[Rosemarie]

Wnlight hello ! Anything new ? I always have your predictions in my mind and look forward for more info in this thread. Please keep us informed of any new development you find out while meditating.

[Stardad]

Hi everyone!

I am very happy that nothing significant happened during 2019 regarding Wnlight's predictions, which are in my opinion, photos of probabilities for a given date! I feel however that some of these could manifest in 2020. In addition to a possible pandemic, a major EM storm or the arrival of a gigantic tsunami meteor in one of our oceans there is also the activation of 5G worldwide which could be a significant population reduction factor this year!

Any thoughts or gut feelings about this anyone?