Credible sources ?

[ndroock1]

With the desctruction of the credibility of Bob Dean ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7TkuUJXbg ) , Steven Greer, David Wilcock et al, I wonder if there is somewhere a list of sources which haven't been debunked yet?

[Bill Ryan]

With the destruction of the credibility of Bob Dean ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7TkuUJXbg ) ,

Jeez. :facepalm: That's a below-the-belt, cheap smear. (Not yours... that of the person who made the thoughtless video.)

Bob Dean is one of our very finest. A video like that is shameful.

Yes, that's a rocket booster separating. That's been known for some time. It's an entirely understandable mistake, and maybe not even his originally.

The information promulgated by Steven Greer, David Wilcock, and quite a few others, is magnitudes more questionable, and in a totally different category.

[Bill Ryan]

This may be a very useful reference thread: :thumbsup:


Who is your favorite source of reliable information in Ufology? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95719-Who-is-your-favorite-source-of-reliable-information-in-Ufology)

[WhiteFeather]

In my Opinion, If you would,,,, Bob Dean Is without any doubt, an incredible man / (whistleblower) and a highly trustworthy source. I guess the Sock puppets and Shills in the Pentagon are at it again...

[ndroock1]

With the destruction of the credibility of Bob Dean ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7TkuUJXbg ) ,

Bob Dean is one of our very finest.

Thumbs up, glad to hear this from you, Bill.

[Foxie Loxie]

Has anyone heard how Bob's health is doing? There is a wonderful picture of him with Bill & Kerry, back in the day, that encapsulates their time together! I believe they are the ones who made him "famous". :star:

[Joe from the Carolinas]

With the desctruction of the credibility of Bob Dean ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7TkuUJXbg ) , Steven Greer, David Wilcock et al, I wonder if there is somewhere a list of sources which haven't been debunked yet?

In what way does that video of a single photographic comparison destroy bob dean's credibility?

Lets try it this way, while I'm open to the possibility that the photo in the above film may be a rocket stage, here's a comparison of screenshots from that video I took of the objects pictured. I added the yellow triangles to point out the observable differences.


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If you see his presentation below, beginning at 26:38, you'll see many photos, many of which are clearly not an apollo rocket stage:

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Joe

[TomKat]

I just wish Bob Dean didn't compulsively present a false persona, which doesn't help his credibility. In the 90s during the OJ Simpson trial there was a Wyoming attorney named Gerry Spence on TV a lot. An actor friend made the comment, "an actor isn't supposed to look like they're acting" (regarding Spence). Same deal with Bob Dean.

[Bill Ryan]

I just wish Bob Dean didn't compulsively present a false persona, which doesn't help his credibility. In the 90s during the OJ Simpson trial there was a Wyoming attorney named Gerry Spence on TV a lot. An actor friend made the comment, "an actor isn't supposed to look like they're acting" (regarding Spence). Same deal with Bob Dean.

For what it's worth here, there no 'fake persona' I've ever been aware of. I've spent time with Bob on and off camera (quite a lot), and he's exactly the same all the time. 100% totally consistent. There's no 'other' Bob Dean I've ever seen.

There are MANY MANY MANY other people in the alt community who come over as far more artificial, contrived, ego-driven showpeople whenever they have an audience.

[Bill Ryan]

In what way does that video of a single photographic comparison destroy bob dean's credibility?

Lets try it this way, while I'm open to the possibility that the photo in the above film may be a rocket stage, here's a comparison of screenshots from that video I took of the objects pictured. I added the yellow triangles to point out the observable differences.

If you see his presentation below, beginning at 26:38, you'll see many photos, many of which are clearly not an apollo rocket stage:



Yes. Of interest here may be that I spent a while helping Bob put that very presentation together. He gave me a folder of images and asked for a hand, a few hours before he went on stage. So I helped him create his slideshow. (In fact, I did create his slideshow.)

It is a rocket booster separating: just that one photo. That's been shown, and a reverse image search confirms it. But I never spotted it at the time, either. So if anyone wants to, they can claim that my own reputation is 'destroyed', too.

:)

[TomKat]

I just wish Bob Dean didn't compulsively present a false persona, which doesn't help his credibility. In the 90s during the OJ Simpson trial there was a Wyoming attorney named Gerry Spence on TV a lot. An actor friend made the comment, "an actor isn't supposed to look like they're acting" (regarding Spence). Same deal with Bob Dean.

For what it's worth here, there no 'fake persona' I've ever been aware of. I've spent time with Bob on and off camera (quite a lot), and he's exactly the same all the time. 100% totally consistent. There's no 'other' Bob Dean I've ever seen.

There are MANY MANY MANY other people in the alt community who come over as far more artificial, contrived, ego-driven showpeople whenever they have an audience.

His carefully modulated theatrical voice and calculated mannerisms put me off. Here's Spence:

https://youtu.be/Fnj8qBffXro?t=40

Here's Dean:

https://youtu.be/Yw5w4ToPSE8?t=175

Same affect.

I've seen a few of these characters in the military. I'm not sure it's conscious. The military has a lot of people who don't know who the hell they are, that's why they went into the military.

[Foxie Loxie]

TomKat....I don't know how old you are or what your life experiences have been. I just can't figure out why the necessity to try & prove Bob Dean is projecting a false persona. :confused:

Having been married to a conman for 18 years I can pretty well spot a conman. In my opinion, Bob Dean rings true to me! :bigsmile:

[TomKat]

TomKat....I don't know how old you are or what your life experiences have been. I just can't figure out why the necessity to try & prove Bob Dean is projecting a false persona. :confused:

Having been married to a conman for 18 years I can pretty well spot a conman. In my opinion, Bob Dean rings true to me! :bigsmile:

No need, but I answered your question before you asked it:
the carefully modulated theatrical voice...

[Foxie Loxie]

Again, TomKat........since Bill spent a great deal of time with him, on a personal level, I would take his opinion myself. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish.

[TomKat]

Again, TomKat........since Bill spent a great deal of time with him, on a personal level, I would take his opinion myself. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish.

There's no right or wrong answer, why take anyone's opinion? Just look and perceive. When I listen to Dean talk my heart hurts because he is not connected to his.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Again, TomKat........since Bill spent a great deal of time with him, on a personal level, I would take his opinion myself. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish.

There's no right or wrong answer, why take anyone's opinion? Just look and perceive. When I listen to Dean talk my heart hurts because he is not connected to his.

Do you see anyone in ufology as credible? If so, who would you say has the right kind of voice modulation and affect presentation?

[TomKat]

Again, TomKat........since Bill spent a great deal of time with him, on a personal level, I would take his opinion myself. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish.

There's no right or wrong answer, why take anyone's opinion? Just look and perceive. When I listen to Dean talk my heart hurts because he is not connected to his.

Do you see anyone in ufology as credible? If so, who would you say has the right kind of voice modulation and affect presentation?

I'm thoroughly bored with sightings of any kind so maybe I'm not current, but there are a lot of people in UFOlogy who seem credible. Bob Dean may be telling the truth but have a poor sense of self, a psychological condition. But speaking of the right kind of voice modulation, it's somewhere between Randy Cramer and Corey Goode :-)

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Again, TomKat........since Bill spent a great deal of time with him, on a personal level, I would take his opinion myself. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish.

There's no right or wrong answer, why take anyone's opinion? Just look and perceive. When I listen to Dean talk my heart hurts because he is not connected to his.

Do you see anyone in ufology as credible? If so, who would you say has the right kind of voice modulation and affect presentation?

I'm thoroughly bored with sightings of any kind so maybe I'm not current, but there are a lot of people in UFOlogy who seem credible. Bob Dean may be telling the truth but have a poor sense of self, a psychological condition. But speaking of the right kind of voice modulation, it's somewhere between Randy Cramer and Corey Goode :-)

I completely understand about being bored with sightings, thank you. Do you recall any credible names from the past?

[TomKat]

Again, TomKat........since Bill spent a great deal of time with him, on a personal level, I would take his opinion myself. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish.

There's no right or wrong answer, why take anyone's opinion? Just look and perceive. When I listen to Dean talk my heart hurts because he is not connected to his.

Do you see anyone in ufology as credible? If so, who would you say has the right kind of voice modulation and affect presentation?

I'm thoroughly bored with sightings of any kind so maybe I'm not current, but there are a lot of people in UFOlogy who seem credible. Bob Dean may be telling the truth but have a poor sense of self, a psychological condition. But speaking of the right kind of voice modulation, it's somewhere between Randy Cramer and Corey Goode :-)

I completely understand about being bored with sightings, thank you. Do you recall any credible names from the past?

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