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holistic1
18th July 2018, 20:48
not sure where this should be posted. Feel free to move it if there is a better category
https://www.abeldanger.org/dear-god-they-caught-them-all-putin-gives-trump-160-terabytes-of-communication-intercepts-all-people-behind-fake-russia-collusion-false-flag-chemical-attacks-in-syria-sabotage-of-brexit-nef/
:clapping::thumbsup::Party:

Foxie Loxie
18th July 2018, 20:59
So.....this is why we were told to "Keep your eye on the ball"?!! :roll:

Bill Ryan
18th July 2018, 21:06
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Thanks! The original source for this [Putin's gift, as noted in Post #1, above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103544-Putin-s-gift-to-us&p=1236238&viewfull=1#post1236238)] is Hal Turner (http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/2855-dear-god-they-caught-them-all-putin-gives-trump-160-terabytes-of-communication-intercepts-all-people-behind-fake-russia-collusion-false-flag-chemical-attacks-in-syria-sabotage-of-brexit-nefarious-clinton-activities-more), whose modest headline reads

Dear God; They Caught Them ALL! Putin Gives Trump 160 Terabytes of Communication Intercepts; ALL people behind fake "Russia Collusion" - False Flag Chemical Attacks in Syria, Sabotage of Brexit, Nefarious Clinton activities & More

17 July, 2018

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Thanks to my long-time former colleagues from the Intelligence Community, whom I worked with in my years with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, from both inside and outside the US, I am pleased to be the ONLY media outlet to be able to report this extraordinary information . . . .

The jig is finally up. The Dominoes are all in position to be knocked over. The "elite" have phoned, faxed, and emailed many of themselves right into prison, or worse. (When the public finds out, probably "worse.")

At the meeting in Helsinki, Finland, between Presidents Putin of Russia and Trump of the USA, the Russians gave to Trump at least 160 TERABYTES of Russian Intelligence Intercepts which expose horrifying activities of many, many, people to deliberately foment social, cultural, and political chaos, violent riots, demonstrations, media smears, phony scandals, and fake news.

Some of those intercepts reveal who has been financing weapons, supplies, travel, hotel, vehicle rentals and secure communications gear for Terrorist groups, inside Syria, Iraq, and terror attacks in Europe and the US.

Among the intercepted communications are mostly international phone calls, faxes, emails by members of the US Congress, US Senate, federal Judges, state-level elected officials from California, Oregon, Washington, New York (City & State), New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland and Virginia. Once those communications left the United States, they became fair game for any country to spy on.

A great number of these communications were encrypted, but Russia has found a way to BREAK much of the encryption! And as part of their effort to improve relations with Trump, they provided the original encrypted versions of the intercepts AND the key which decrypts them so the US can use US-obtained intercepts (which may still be encrypted) along with the Russian-provided decryption key to prove the info is accurate and unedited!!!

Numerous high-ranking officials and well known wealthy people have been caught red-handed scheming together and with foreign governments along with radical leftist billionaires both inside and outside the US, to foment -- and finance -- extraordinary acts of political, social, and cultural chaos including riots, violent attacks, political unrest and more.

Some high-level MANAGERS at gigantic social media companies have received literally millions of dollars in pay-offs to establish or use under-the-radar company policies to impose severe censorship on certain views and to silence certain people; often times without the knowledge or consent of the Highest Executives or Boards of Directors of those companies! These pay-offs USURP actual executive power in some giant social media outlets.

High level mass-media Producers, Editors, and some Writers in the US, UK, and elsewhere in Europe, have been paid-off with VAST sums of money to launch phony media smears. Push scandals. Create and report FAKE news stories. All to sew dissent, foment unrest, cause political and social instability. When this information is revealed. MAJOR (Like REALLY MAJOR) news outlets will be completely ruined. Their company stock (or that of their parent company) will plummet to zero because their credibility - their believability - will be utterly destroyed. Ad revenues will plummet because the public simply will not trust these outlets anymore.

A very significant number of US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY persons are also, sadly, caught. It is now clear there is a cadre of people inside the US Intelligence Community, who have been misusing their positions to do things they were never cleared to do; the kinds of things that get people Indicted, tried, convicted and . . . . executed under our federal legal system! Yes, you read that right: certain specific US Intel people could literally face the death penalty for some of the things they have now been positively caught doing.

Even more sadly, a very few high-ranking US Military officials have also been caught. Intercepts from field communications are going to send some of those Officials to Leavenworth for the rest of their lives.

Moreover, a very significant number of employees/officials inside the US State Department have coordinated activities the likes of which will make the American people recoil in horror. In fact, I was explicitly told



"Foggy Bottom (the nickname for the State Dept.) is turning out to be THE epicenter of evil for a lot of things.."
Worst of all, some of the Signals Intelligence grabbed-up certain well-known individuals inside the US Department of Justice. What these people have done will no doubt smash the reputation of the legal system for decades. Not only are some people inside the Justice Department going to prison, their liability for things they've done WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, will expose them to personal liability which will utterly destroy them and their families civilly.

At the highest levels of these intercepts are allegedly names like Soros, Rothschild, and very recognizable others.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and United States President Donald Trump, met in Helsinki, Finland early this week, for about two hours privately. No staff. No aids. No media.

During that meeting, Putin laid out the inner workings of the vast global network of "elites" and the activities they have engaged in to bring wars, refugees, all manner of social and political chaos to countries around the world, much of it in the USA. Russia even provided charts showing "organizational" structures (which are not really "organizations" but more defacto operational realities); who is tasked with what topics or activities, how much they have been paid and by whom.

Actual copies of communications and Signals Intercepts with descrambled recordings of phone calls, descrambled "secure" fax transmissions, descrambled encrypted emails. Vast reports on money transactions via wire transfer, control numbers, account names, amounts, dates, purposes . . . and the recipient info too.

In total, more than 160 TERABYTES of this type of data was given to President Trump in the form of 1 Terabyte USB Flash Memory Drives. The USB drives are DataTraveler® HyperX® Predator 3.0 USB Flash drives which hold 1 terabyte of data each.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91qrDxeyJqL._SL1500_.jpg

The level of criminal conspiracy is so enormous, and the global scale and reach of these efforts is so gigantic, it boggles the mind.

Bankers and titans of industry are also involved. I can also report that Union bosses figure prominently in the intercepts.

BREXIT

The opposition to BREXIT is being funded and orchestrated by people on BOTH SIDES of British politics and the motivation is two-fold: They want Britain to remain in Europe to lessen its power and, they HATE the Royal Family.

According to the information given to me, some of the most virulent Torie "Remainers" joked with like-minded Labour members about "looking forward to the day when Britain sheds it archaic Monarchy and comes under total rule by the EU." These are ELECTED officials who are literally trying to destroy the sovereignty of their own country!

The Clintons

Turns out, Bill and Hillary have been under surveillance since Bill was first elected President in 1992. Almost EVERY dirty deal, alleged shake-down, alleged kick-back, and some things described to me as "the ultimate acts (plural) of nefarious nature" are all neatly recorded and indexed by Russia. Now, I'm told, President Trump has it all.

Closely Guarded Secret Work

Trusted elements inside the Trump Administration (who have been sworn to absolute secrecy, even ordered to flatly DENY the very existence of this material in order to maintain security) are being tasked to sort through, analyse and catalog all activities turned over by Russia; paying particular attention to any activity which resulted in violence, death or property damage, so as to be able to criminally prosecute ALL the Conspirators based on any end-result violence or property loss/damage. Whether the Conspirators intended such acts or not, the acts themselves "were a foreseeable consequence" of their efforts, thus making them ALL guilty.

Working from the top, these trusted elements inside the Trump Administration will take each effort and follow it down to the end results, documenting any acts of state-level violence, which thereby makes ALL participants in that entire effort subject to Conspiracy charges. Conspiracy is the likely charge as opposed to bringing Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization (RICO) cases, because RICO cases require predicate felonies which often had not occurred.

I asked if any of this evidence can actually be used in court since none of it was obtained via Warrant? I was told that ALL of it is admissible because the United States did not solicit the information and had no part in it being illegally obtained! Thus, there is no "fruit of a poison tree" to block admissibility!

Hal Turner Commentary

Literally HUNDREDS of ultra-wealthy and/or very high profile people are about to have their entire existence caught-up in the wheels of justice.

And as a person who has been caught-up in the wheels of justice myself, I can tell you those wheels may turn slowly, but they GRIND UP everything and everyone they encounter.

I am not yet privy to particular facts or incident covered by this material. I am told to expect to get information, but no time frame was told to me.

It seems as though the Putin-Trump meeting in Helsinki has, in fact, become the worst nightmare of a whole slew of people.

Prior to the summit, many people took extraordinary efforts to try to derail the meeting altogether.

After the meeting, those folks and their minions are making enormous noise about anything they can.

They're worried they're caught. They think they might be caught. I can report tonight, they are right to worry; they ARE caught!

They think that creating distractions through scandals will prevent them from being held accountable. It won't.

The jig is up. The dominoes are about to fall.

Some of these people would do well to get their affairs in order and commit suicide. Because when the truth comes out about what they've been doing, and the things they've done, their world will be smashed by the legal system. Their entire existence, their fortunes and their family name will be ruined forever.

Hervé
18th July 2018, 21:21
...


... so, that's what was behind the symbolism:



http://thepythoniccow.us/Putin_Trump_SoccerBall_Symbolism.jpg

Valerie Villars
18th July 2018, 21:39
In today's world, I am almost embarrassed to say that the above post by Hal Turner gave me some faint stirrings of hope. Can someone with much more knowledge than me please comment on the plausibility of this story?

I just am not an intel kind of girl, though I do understand and know quite a bit. Anyone, Bueller?

I don't for a minute believe that if Putin did do this, it was out of the kindness of his heart. But, wouldn't it be just if the criminals were exposed? Has anyone any deeper knowledge they can share?

holistic1
18th July 2018, 22:04
I doubt Putin would mind chaos in the US

Magnus
18th July 2018, 22:07
In today's world, I am almost embarrassed to say that the above post by Hal Turner gave me some faint stirrings of hope. Can someone with much more knowledge than me please comment on the plausibility of this story?

I just am not an intel kind of girl, though I do understand and know quite a bit. Anyone, Bueller?

I don't for a minute believe that if Putin did do this, it was out of the kindness of his heart. But, wouldn't it be just if the criminals were exposed? Has anyone any deeper knowledge they can share?

Dig deep in your heart and you will know that something great has just happened, nothing short of what I've personally been expecting from Putin and Trump.

There are all kinds of bad talk about the two, but no talk is as thick as deeds.

Zak247
18th July 2018, 22:16
I wish or I wonder or I hope Putin told Trump they have evidence, public evidence the MSM won’t publicize, that when he bombed Syria for the second time there was NO evidence they used chemical weapons.


After US, UK, France Bomb Syria – OPCW Report Contradicts Claims Of “Irrefutable Proof” Of Chemical Weapons

https://www.activistpost.com/2018/07/after-us-uk-france-bomb-syria-opcw-report-contradicts-claims-of-irrefutable-proof-of-chemical-weapons.html

After the lowest moment of Trump’s presidency to date – the bombing of Syria despite the risk of a third world war – the OPCW has released a statement re-affirming that the United States, France, and the UK were wrong about their assertion that the Syrian government used chemical weapons in Douma in April, 2018.

Cardillac
18th July 2018, 22:16
my logic tells me the only reason Putin and Trump agreed to meet is not to be at logger heads with each other but to discuss peaceful solutions; no 2 heads of state get together to discuss a planned war between them-

Larry

Zak247
18th July 2018, 22:21
Literally HUNDREDS of ultra-wealthy and/or very high profile people are about to have their entire existence caught-up in the wheels of justice.

And as a person who has been caught-up in the wheels of justice myself, I can tell you those wheels may turn slowly, but they GRIND UP everything and everyone they encounter.

Doesn't this sound a little Dave Willcockie
?

A little fantastic, to say the least

Valerie Villars
18th July 2018, 22:25
Well, it speaks volumes of the world today that knowing I have integrity, I find it hard to believe anyone in power does and yet..........I can't be the only one and why shouldn't some higher ups feel the same way? I actually liked that Trump met with Putin. It does show some attempt at finding common ground.

You're right Larry, I don't meet with people I know I can't come to terms with. What's the point? Thus the faint feeling of hope. A strange thing to be feeling in this day and age.

Zak247
18th July 2018, 22:39
The MSM constantly barks on Trump and makes him look foolish. Don’t we think that’s a deliberate psychological operation to make him look bad and make a certain group look good?

Russian sanctions are still on…
Everything Obama and Hillary did in Syria is still going on. American troops there doing the nasty…
Despite the mainstream reality show nothing underneath the hood has changed…

Meanwhile, Trump gets surrounded by neocons all over his cabinet.
He’s isolated...
I think the writings on the wall

Baby Steps
18th July 2018, 22:40
The legal status of the info is the important bit.

If the NSA/GCHQ trove, that Q is working with, is deemed to have been illegally obtained, it is inadmissible, however if this dump is deemed admissible in court, bingo! Even if there is alot of the same stuff there....

God protect us through the coming weeks.

turiya
18th July 2018, 23:26
The MSM constantly barks on Trump and makes him look foolish. Don’t we think that’s a deliberate psychological operation to make him look bad and make a certain group look good?

Russian sanctions are still on…
Everything Obama and Hillary did in Syria is still going on. American troops there doing the nasty…
Despite the mainstream reality show nothing underneath the hood has changed…

Meanwhile, Trump gets surrounded by neocons all over his cabinet.
He’s isolated...
I think the writings on the wall

You are forgetting... He's surrounded by military generals.
Q is military army intelligence...
If the article is true, then its a good reason why Q hasn't posted lately (since July 04).
Army intel has its hands full.
My 'oracle' tells me the article is factual for the most part.

ThePythonicCow
18th July 2018, 23:51
not sure where this should be posted. Feel free to move it if there is a better category
https://www.abeldanger.org/dear-god-they-caught-them-all-putin-gives-trump-160-terabytes-of-communication-intercepts-all-people-behind-fake-russia-collusion-false-flag-chemical-attacks-in-syria-sabotage-of-brexit-nef/
:clapping::thumbsup::Party:

Thanks! The original source for this [Putin's gift, as noted in Post #1, above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103544-Putin-s-gift-to-us&p=1236238&viewfull=1#post1236238)] is Hal Turner (http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/2855-dear-god-they-caught-them-all-putin-gives-trump-160-terabytes-of-communication-intercepts-all-people-behind-fake-russia-collusion-false-flag-chemical-attacks-in-syria-sabotage-of-brexit-nefarious-clinton-activities-more), whose modest headline reads
Dear God; They Caught Them ALL! Putin Gives Trump 160 Terabytes of Communication Intercepts; ALL people behind fake "Russia Collusion" - False Flag Chemical Attacks in Syria, Sabotage of Brexit, Nefarious Clinton activities & More

17 July, 2018

Hal Turner may reasonably be accused of a variety of flaws, but false modesty is not one of them.

I very much like this report - thanks, holistic1, for finding it! I hope it's true.

Just as Boris Yeltsin played an out sized, and eventually severely criticized, role in the collapse and fall of the First Evil Empire, to play off US President Reagan's 1980's term for the USSR, perhaps it is Donald Trump's role to play an out sized, and likely to be just as severely criticized role in the collapse and fall of the Second Evil Empire, the self-described "Exceptional Nation", the United States of America, in its current imperialist, globalist, form, with bases and embassies around the world that traffics in guns, drugs, humans, money, and other evils, on a scale never before seen in recorded human history.

Just as Russia survived the decade of the collapse of its Evil Empire, so too I expect America will survive the (what may well be) decade of the collapse of its Evil Empire.

Meanwhile I predict that the news of the day will not soon become boring.

A decade from now, I expect that the United States will be one nation amongst many, living like Russia off the strength of its people and its wonderfully large resources, but still just one nation amongst many, not the exceptional nation that deludes itself into believing it stands astride the other nations of the world like a colossus unparalleled in history.

Many power brokers in the corporate and political capitals of the US will not do well in this transition, many American bases in foreign lands will close, and institutions of American global dominance (e.g. NATO) will transform or collapse.

Someone else, a smart, young person playing a minor role at this time, will rise to play the role of America's Putin. But it's years too soon for me to guess whom that might be.

As Shakespeare observed with far finer English than I command, we are all actors who strut and fret our hour upon the stage and then are heard no more. This life "is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,. Signifying nothing."

Some, such as Yeltsin, and perhaps now Trump, have larger roles to play. It was Yeltsin's role to ride the Empire of the USSR off a cliff, to its collapse. Perhaps it is Trump's role to do the same, for the Empire of the USA.

Yeltsin was drunk on vodka; Trump might be accused of being drunk on his ego. Trump's mastery of the "Deal" is especially well developed in handling over-sized bankruptcies. Central casting has chosen well.

Some Americans played key roles in the collapse of the USSR; perhaps now turn about is fair play, and some Russians will get to play key roles in the collapse of the American Empire, such as with the handing of this data to Trump by Putin that Hal Turner alleges.

These (not so) little thumb drives, with their incriminating evidence against many powerful figures in corporate, main stream media, and political America, especially in Washington, DC, may be one thread in the tale of the collapse of the Second Evil Empire.

... good riddance I say ... may most ordinary people and other living beings survive through this transition and thrive in what follows.

Valerie Villars
19th July 2018, 00:10
That such a day would come..I feel a musical coming on..........Thanks Paul.

Holistic thank you for posting this. I feel some optmism coming on....

turiya
19th July 2018, 00:12
FOUNDATION AND EMPIRE: IS DONALD TRUMP THE MULE? (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/03/27/foundation-and-empire-is-donald-trump-the-mule/)




“The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning (https://www.walmart.com/ip/The-Fourth-Turning-An-American-Prophecy/350761)



http://www.eclectablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/TrumpTheMule.png

The Mule

I had not thought about the Foundation Trilogy for decades, until someone recently mentioned it in a comment on my website. They pondered whether Trump’s arrival on the scene represented The Mule’s advent during the decline of the Galactic Empire. Trump’s numerous enemies would love to portray him as an evil mutant freakish warlord, bent on using his persuasion powers to mislead the populace into doing his bidding. I don’t necessarily see Trump as The Mule, but as a disrupting factor, disturbing the best laid plans of the establishment and helping reveal the hidden agendas of the Deep State (https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Constitution-Shadow-Government/dp/0143109936/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_til?tag=thebur01-20&linkCode=w00&linkId=ccd91ea3bbabeb44e3246c77d9637230&creativeASIN=0143109936).
Jim Quinn - The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/tag/grey-champion/)

Valerie Villars
19th July 2018, 00:15
There was a mule born in the back pasture in May, quite unexpectedly.

norman
19th July 2018, 00:27
If this is true, it might have info that reveals that the people who have convinced him they have his back are not giving him the full story.

And here's the thing, he probably handed it straight to them.

Another thing . . . .

Is this story a plant ?

Is it supposed to spike the truth bombs before he drops them. From here on, if this story gets legs ( which it certainly will ), his enemies can cry out at the top of their voices that he got it from the Russians and it's ALL LIES.

Fellow Aspirant
19th July 2018, 01:07
This pronouncement by Hal Turner would be cause for some optimism if only he was a credible source. His sketchy past that involves being an FBI informant on the right wing extremist groups he was associating with, his denial of the holocaust, and his legal issues based on his calls for others of like-mind to kill federal judges, makes him, in my view, an extremist with a very big axe to grind. Some examples, provided by Wikipedia:

On December 6, 2006, Turner announced on his website:

We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic... Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary.[39]

Since the announcement was made, Turner has had difficulties finding a host for his website. He alleged that his website has been the target of denial of service attacks, and subsequently filed a pro se lawsuit.[40][41][42]

On April 4, 2008, Turner encouraged violence against Lexington, Massachusetts school superintendent Paul Ash for establishing a new curriculum supporting homosexuals. On his website, he stated:

I advocate parents using FORCE AND VIOLENCE against Superintendent Paul B. Ash as a method of defending the health and safety of school children presently being endangered through his politically-correct indoctrination into deadly, disease-ridden sodomite lifestyles.[43]

He went on to provide Ash's personal information, including his address.[43] Fourteen months later, on June 2, 2009, Turner posted on his blog

Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions.

The next day Turner posted information on how to find Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Joseph Bauer.[44]

As a long time conspiracy theorist, it was Hal Turner's mind that was responsible for this:

Origin of China eminent domain hoax

In February 2009, Turner posted an article on his blog entitled: "FEDS GRANT EMINENT DOMAIN AS COLLATERAL TO CHINA FOR U.S. DEBTS!" claiming that a secret agreement had been made to allow China to physically take U.S. land, in the event of a U.S. default.[24] The story then went viral and was posted across the internet, including most conspiracy and extremist right-wing sites and forums.[25]

Mr. Turner ranks with Benjamin Fulford for honesty and integrity. That is, he has zero of both. At least Fulford never advocated murdering anyone.

In short, don't hold your breath for any of this nonsense to pan out.

Just my two scents. :yo:

B.

Ultima Thule
19th July 2018, 03:08
Don't know anything about Hal - at this point imo with nothing tangible, the story is of Fulfordian quality with ominous imminence(a really really real scientific term for channelled or made up info that keeps on repeating for years with no results whatsoever) sprinkled on top. Is there any reason to consider this story any more seriously than any of Sheldan Nidles weekly articles for the past two decades?

UT

EFO
19th July 2018, 04:30
Remeber?

From https://www.thesiriusreport.com/geopolitics/putin-address-russian-federal-assembly/

Key Highlights From Putin’s Address To The Russian Federal Assembly – Part 1
1st March 2018
President Vladimir Putin delivered an address to the Russian Federal Assembly today which is a joint session of the two chambers of the Russian Parliament. As is customary in his speeches Putin spoke on a wide range of issues from the economy, to significant measures for reform and advancements in military technology. We note that Putin finished by saying that, “Times now favour those who are prepared to change.” This ties in with our recent tweet, which stated, “The coming paradigm shift is going to require all humanity to change in fundamental ways. If they do not embrace that change it will crush them in the process.”


and

If you want make god laugh,tell him your plans.

ThePythonicCow
19th July 2018, 05:30
In short, don't hold your breath for any of this nonsense to pan out.
If I were deep state FBI, and if I thought that Putin gave Trump some serious dirt on me and my colleagues, then one way that I might try to "inoculate" my side from exposure of that dirt would be to leak a flawed version (mix of fact and fiction) to one of my contacts in the alt-media with the most dubious record imaginable.

Hal Turner would be ideal for that role. As noted for example in this New York Times article (https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/nyregion/30blogger.html), Hal Turner apparently has long standing connections with the FBI, and he'll run with just about any story you feed him, the more outlandish the better. As you document in your post above, Hal Turner is nothing if not highly compromised.

This is a typical variant of the "fruit of the poison tree" strategy, as applied, not to keeping evidence out of a court case, but rather applied to the prejudicing the public against incriminating evidence that you expect will become public.

Let the truth first escape from the mouth of a highly untrusted source, mixed with lies.

Thus will the truth be tainted, quite possibly "forever", in the minds of the public.

Much of the Democrat/Clinton/... strategy for the last two years in these Russia-gate affairs has been using variants of such strategies. Given the (apparently) immense liability that Clinton and the "left" face from their own Russian collusion, including for example the nearly half Billion dollars that made its way, avoiding taxes, from Russia to the Clinton foundation, as told to us by Putin (who I would imagine was being very careful with his facts when he spoke, standing with Trump, in Helsinki), and given the immense liability that Clinton faces from the Uranium One deal, I would imagine that much effort has been spent by the Clinton side to "inoculate" themselves against such exposure, by stirring up "Trump Russian Collusion" propaganda first.

I entirely agree, Fellow Aspirant, that Hal Turner is a highly compromised source. I also stipulate, as Hal stated him self a few hours ago on his weekly "radio" broadcast, that he's the only source at present for this story that Putin gave Trump many terabytes of damning evidence.

My current hunch is that this story has a substantial element of truth in it, and no doubt some sharply defined "untruths" as well.

===

On a related topic, on his weekly show tonight, Hal Turner added another twist to this story.

Hal Turner stated tonight that he was told by his FBI contacts that Russians had arrested some of their own intelligence agents, and found a big stash of money on them. The agents admitted to having been bought off by American intelligence, to spy on the Democrat party, in order to setup Trump for allegations of working with the Russians to spy on the Democrats.

Obviously sole source rumors from unnamed sources are unreliable.

But this rumor fits the modus operandi of the American deep state so exceedingly well that I find it quite plausible, even likely.

This rumor is not enough evidence to convict someone of a parking ticket; but I'd be substantially surprised to learn that that it was fundamentally untrue.

If true, it would almost literally validate the indictments announced last week by Rosenstein, that Russian intelligence had hacked into the Democrat party computers. It would just add one more critical detail to that allegation:
American intelligence bribed Russian agents to do the hacking, as part of trying to setup Trump for charges of Russian collusion.
That might explain the extraordinary detail of cyber-hacking details included in the indictment, that so surprised Steve Gibson in his weekly Security Now 672: All Up in Their Business (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmibZF_aTfU) show that aired Tuesday this week. That is, to be explicit, perhaps the FBI/DOJ had the exact details of who searched for what or hacked what when and how because they were running the operation from the beginning, with the exact intention of using it to frame Trump.

ThePythonicCow
19th July 2018, 05:44
Yeltsin was drunk on vodka; Trump might be accused of being drunk on his ego. Trump's mastery of the "Deal" is especially well developed in handling over-sized bankruptcies. Central casting has chosen well.
The two look like they were cut from the same mold:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Yeltsin_Trump_Fist.jpg

Tintin
19th July 2018, 13:00
In short, don't hold your breath for any of this nonsense to pan out.
If I were deep state FBI, and if I thought that Putin gave Trump some serious dirt on me and my colleagues, then one way that I might try to "inoculate" my side from exposure of that dirt would be to leak a flawed version (mix of fact and fiction) to one of my contacts in the alt-media with the most dubious record imaginable.

Hal Turner would be ideal for that role.

My current hunch is that this story has a substantial element of truth in it, and no doubt some sharply defined "untruths" as well.

===

Obviously sole source rumors from unnamed sources are unreliable.

But this rumor fits the modus operandi of the American deep state so exceedingly well that I find it quite plausible, even likely.




Fabulous submission Paul.

The key points that I have isolated from your post here would tend to chime like the *"Great Bells of Bow". Except, we may indeed actually know a little more than we think.

I will be very interested to see what Craig Murray's take on all this is as well.

Readers unfamiliar with the workings of presidential briefing officers - with higher levels of security clearance - are recommended L. Fletcher Prouty's exposé of how things operate from behind-the-scenes covered quite brilliantly and honestly (and bravely I may add) in "The Secret Team: The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World." (http://www.bilderberg.org/st/)

- L. Fletcher Prouty, a former colonel in the US Air Force, and the book first published in 1973.

Those who understand how things work in the UK will notice the hierarchy, the chain of command in the flow of information (top > down), from this excerpt, below:

Excerpt from Chapter 1

"Winston Churchill had left the Admiralty to become Prime Minister. Frequently he would come down to the Admiralty basement on his way from #10 Downing Street, to his underground, bomb-proof bedroom. He made it his practice to visit the Officer in Charge for up-to-date Intelligence and then stroll into the Duty Captain's room where there was a small bar from which he sometimes indulged in a night-cap, along with his ever­ present cigar.

On this particular night there had been a heavy raid on Rotterdam. He sat there, meditating, and then, as if to himself, he said, "Unrestricted submarine warfare, unrestricted air bombing - this is total war." He continued sitting there, gazing at a large map, and then said, "Time and the Ocean and some guiding star and High Cabal have made us what we are."

This was a most memorable scene and a revelation of reality that is infrequent, at best. If for the great Winston Churchill, there is a "High Cabal" that has made us what we are, our definition is complete. Who could know better than Churchill himself during the darkest days of World War II, that there exists, beyond doubt, an international High Cabal? This was true then. It is true today, especially in these times of the One World Order. This all-powerful group has remained superior because it had learned the value of anonymity. For them, the Secret Team and its professionals operate."

It's a gentle suggestion only, but those maybe considering responding to this thread may wish to peruse that book, but that may take a while - it's over 400 pages long.

*Oranges and Lemons Poem

"Oranges and lemons" say the Bells of St. Clement's
"You owe me five farthings" say the Bells of St. Martin's
"When will you pay me?" say the Bells of Old Bailey
"When I grow rich" say the Bells of Shoreditch
"When will that be?" say the Bells of Stepney
"I do not know" say the Great Bells of Bow.........."

Foxie Loxie
19th July 2018, 13:33
This may be a bit oversimplified, but could it be that Putin & Trump BOTH want to take down the "High Cabal"?! :confused:

holistic1
19th July 2018, 14:52
Upon reflection, I am wondering if this is BS. Originally I had thought the source was Abel Danger whom I trust. Turner i am not so sure of. Time will tell I guess.

mountain_jim
19th July 2018, 15:17
True or not this kind of report spreads fast...

I was just reading ZeroHedge comments on a Trump-related thread:




> One has to wonder if the ball just had air inside.

It had 160 Terabytes of data inside...

and


I would like the "160 Terabytes of data" factoid confirmed from other sources, but here is what I found:

https://operationdisclosure.blogspot.com/2018/07/putin-gives-trump-160-terabytes-of.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OperationDisclosure+%28Operation+Disclosure%29




later edit with another comment I found entertaining, though possibly over-optimistic



@ Free,

Patience is virtue my friend.

Watching the Veil being torn off the faces of these Pure Evil War Criminal Treasonous Seditious ZioNeoConFascist Globalist’s is very Gratifying.

Literally hundreds if not thousands of years of Globalist NWO Central Planning & Preparation blown to smithereens right before our very eyes.

Epic Times.

ThePythonicCow
19th July 2018, 19:46
This may be a bit oversimplified, but could it be that Putin & Trump BOTH want to take down the "High Cabal"?! :confused:

I'd guess that they are both playing roles that involve taking down the American deep state.

I'd guess that the "High Cabal" is pleased with their choices of actors, Putin and Trump, to play these two roles.

ThePythonicCow
19th July 2018, 22:03
I'd guess that they are both playing roles that involve taking down the American deep state.
Correction - ... taking down the Second Evil Empire.

Nations have "deep states" just as people have a subconscious.

Russia no doubt still has a deep state, and did when it was the First Evil Empire, the USSR.

America will no doubt still have a deep state, even when it is no longer the Second Evil Empire, the world's "sole super power."

I presume that whatever is the "High Cabal" also has its ebbs and flows, its infighting and shifting alliances. No doubt it also evolves over time. But I can only speculate, on general principles and fleeting, conflicting, clues as to what all that might be.

A Voice from the Mountains
19th July 2018, 22:30
I doubt Putin would mind chaos in the US

His enemy is the globalist international order, not the United States itself. Russia has about the same GDP as the state of Texas. And they are virtually alone against the world, defending their national interests against the usual global bullies. It's obviously a losing battle for them without our help.

Trump's election meant an opportunity for the US to be turned out of this same global order, which is what patriotic Americans have wanted for decades anyway. So in this way the interests of the American and Russian people truly align, and the internationalist order obviously does not appreciate this alliance.

Of course I think this is a good thing but I also think we would have demolished the international system even without Russia's help. Trump was all in on this campaign. I knew it for sure when I saw him stare down the man in Vegas who everyone was yelling had a gun. To this day I still doubt the official police story on what happened at that rally. But I know that while they were wrestling in the front row, yelling that the guy had a gun, Trump just coldly stared them down. He knows that if he dies, it will not have been in vain. He's had US military backing the entire time, particularly the Marines it seems.



The legal status of the info is the important bit.

If the NSA/GCHQ trove, that Q is working with, is deemed to have been illegally obtained, it is inadmissible, however if this dump is deemed admissible in court, bingo! Even if there is alot of the same stuff there....

God protect us through the coming weeks.

Good point. It would require some kind of state of emergency or military tribunal to be declared in order to allow legal circumvention of constitutional protections against modern mass surveillance. Of course they've been doing it for years anyway in flagrant violation of the US Constitution, but there are legal procedures for suspending protections in truly warranted military action, set by past precedent (Civil War, WW2). They are sworn to protect against all enemies "foreign and domestic" and they have always taken that very seriously.

amor
20th July 2018, 00:56
Oh God, what a mess! I really do sense deep deep corruption. If the article is a hoax, the mere fact that it provides a basis for belief says it cannot be too far from the truth. And, as for the Cloud of the Internet. What a farce. Why don't they just say the NSA 52 mile long computer banks. The only Cloud out there is the one in your addled brain.

turiya
20th July 2018, 03:00
Interesting anonymous decode from Trump / Putin Helsinki Summit.
The following is from one of the anons on the 8chan board.... Putin possibly referencing the Loose Change 911 event video... of course, what's needed is verification from Q to give this some validation...


http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/8Chan_Anons/POST_PUTIN_TRUMP_HELSINKI_SUMMIT_1.png (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2182830.html#q2183303)

Video links relative to above image:

Putin using "Loose change" word combination in response to journalist question: https://youtu.be/FYRtgINZfwg?t=42m32s
Loose change 911 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F6Kbq-x1lg

ThePythonicCow
20th July 2018, 03:44
Putin using "Loose change" word combination in response to journalist question: https://youtu.be/FYRtgINZfwg?t=42m32s
Excellent decode - thanks for passing that along.

Yes, "loose change" would be a bizarrely unlikely turn of phrase for Putin to use, repeated even, were it not for the connection of that phrase with the title of one of the most watched documentaries exposing 9/11.

===

Even if Trump and/or Putin don't ever actually convince the world at large that 9/11 was a major false flag, just what they have been saying and tweeting thus far, such as Putin's use of the phrase "loose change", is delicious trolling of the American deep state, causing them (the politicians, news media and other front people for the American deep state) to react like a rabid junk yard dog when it sees a potential intruder.

Just that junk yard dog reaction itself is sufficient to substantially discredit the American deep state in the eyes of the general population.

GMB1961
20th July 2018, 07:04
While I think that this revelation is notable and long awaited, just exactly how long will it take for these people mentioned in this USB Stick to be bought to justice, will they ever be bought to justice? Is it a way of settling the conspiracy theorists down a little? Is this revelation true? So many questions arise from this and as usual then general public take the "wait and see" attitude and usually this leads to a non event and it sliding off under a matt or into some vault never to be released until years later. (JFK files)...and even then in regards to JFK files the date it was all to released came and went and from what i read not everything was released....AGAIN. So whats different about this revelation? If I was President Trump Id be worried with this kind of info being given to him because it makes him a target even more than he was before. To me it makes me evaluate the integrity involved with being a decent human and if it takes a terabytes worth of admissions to make a legal "wake up" then what does that say about how corrupt it was in the first place? THAT MUCH INFO!!!! Think about it. If this is true basically everything is corrupt and nothing is being done about it and if it is , the people leading the charge are usually taken out of the picture faster than a fart in a dust storm. Decent people who want answers, who challenge the system are taken out. Im dubious about this news and I am adopting a "wait and see" attitude......but part of me desperately wants was has been disclosed to be true.

Andre
20th July 2018, 07:18
At the end of this dubious report, it states that "In total, more than 160 TERABYTES of this type of data was given to President Trump in the form of 1 Terabyte USB Flash Memory Drives" so if Trump was given 160 Terabytes of data, he would have walked out of his meeting with Putin carrying 160 flash drives.

Jayke
20th July 2018, 08:11
There was no mention of the 160TB of drives being handed to Trumps team in the latest Schiller Institue report. They did mention how Putin outplayed Mueller on the indictment of 12 Russian diplomats though, by offering Mueller the opportunity to come to Russia and continue his investigation with their full help and support. I’ll leave the 160TB in the ‘potentially true but requires further corroboration’ category for now. I think the summit itself was enough of a gift for the sane, rational, peace-loving, people among us—who are keen on not seeing moves towards nuclear war between two major superpowers. Congratulations to Trump and Putin!

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Keep in mind, those who maligned LaRouche are the same people today -- including Robert Mueller -- who are rejecting President Trump's efforts to break the U.S. out of the stranglehold of the British imperial geopoliticians, who dictated the policies of George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

holistic1
20th July 2018, 16:53
Jim Stone
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http://82.221.129.208/.yk4.html
July 20 2018
Clarity needed on the 160 terabyte intelligence transfer by Putin to Trump

Diez en Punto did not say Putin gave Trump 160 terabytes of intelligence data. This story originated with Hal Turner. All Diez en Punto reported was that Putin was headed to the white house to discuss “security issues”. About the intelligence transfer:
I have zero doubt this happened, but the actual size of the intelligence transfer is in question, and it was likely not actually handed directly to Trump. This new information, which was obstructed from Trump by American intelligence is probably why there are pictures of Trump looking very distressed during the press conference after meeting with Putin.

I have to debunk a debunk here also. There are some people going around debunking the story, saying 1 terabyte flash drives do not exist. The story is that Trump received this transfer on 1 TB flash drives. A few people are saying that is a typo “because 1 TB flash drives do not exist”, and the actual transfer was 160 GB. Just like those who turned Hillary’s 400 million into 400 thousand.

PROBLEM: All I had to do was hit Ebay, type tb flash drive, select “highest price first” and 2 terabyte flash drives came up. Granted, they are a couple grand but considering the last time I was at Computer Centro a few months ago, there were 512 gig flash drives hanging right there on the rack, 1TB would not be a stretch for ordinary people to have when you can just buy it on Ebay. Here is the magical mystical terabyte flash drive on Ebay that “does not exist”.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-Digital-1TB-DataTraveler-Ultimate-GT-USB-International-Shipping/232435166324?hash=item361e372c74%3Ag%3ATIQAAOSwVY1Zpntm&_sop=16&_sacat=0&_nkw=tb+usb+flash+drive&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0%7C0

The debunkers of the intelligence transfer story have no credibility.

So where does that leave us?

There’s no question Trump got a REAL, and I mean REAL intelligence briefing in Helsinki and that is why the left is freaking out. Whether or not Hal Turner got a real source on that info (plausible, I am not saying he did not) and exactly how accurate it was (160 terabytes is something Trump could never in a million years go through, so why hand him that much) My guess is that Trump got a condensed easy to digest version of the story that was complete enough to confront the most critical people, and the actual 160 terabytes of data, whatever the amount really is, is instead “available” for Trump to have people who are not compromised go through when the time is right.

One thing is quite clear: The world changed in Helsinki. It was an epic, historic event. And we will now get to see if we will win or lose, because the dark side of the equation has to act now. We are going to see what they have, and if they can be beaten.
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atzilut
20th July 2018, 18:34
Who I would like to hear from on this information is Herve. Are you listening, Herve?

AutumnW
20th July 2018, 19:59
I doubt Putin would mind chaos in the US

As Paul and I have both tried to emphasize, Trump is like Yeltsin. And Putin, in this case would be like Clinton. With Clinton's help, Yeltsin pushed his own country right over a cliff.

The American people are being duped. Very few people know or care to find out just how hideous life was for the average Russian, under Yeltsin. People starved. But it never made the mainstream news in North America.

Trump is Putin's payback. And it has to happen. There has to be peace and a restructuring, but don't for a minute believe Putin has anything but complete contempt for a nation so easily duped.

And don't think, if you are pro-Trump that you will like the final outcome, unless of course you don't mind, a few years down the road, living out your life in a Christian reeducation work camp.

Fellow Aspirant
20th July 2018, 20:09
But Paul, w.r.t.

"Much of the Democrat/Clinton/... strategy for the last two years in these Russia-gate affairs has been using variants of such strategies. Given the (apparently) immense liability that Clinton and the "left" face from their own Russian collusion, including for example the nearly half Billion dollars that made its way, avoiding taxes, from Russia to the Clinton foundation, as told to us by Putin (who I would imagine was being very careful with his facts when he spoke, standing with Trump, in Helsinki), "

I posted the info below to another thread, but it has to do with Putin's (dubious at best) claim of a half billion dollar payment to Hillary. There is NO proof of this, and plenty of actual $ & cents reckoning of actual contributions. Putin took advantage of his stage to spread a lie (which is REAL fake news - pardon the irony :bigsmile:


Just to cast a little shade on Putin's claims regarding Bill Browder, here's what Politico has to say about the matter:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...lion-donation/
Putin's Pants-on-Fire claim about $400 million donation to Clinton from Bill Browder partners

By Jon Greenberg on Monday, July 16th, 2018 at 5:28 p.m.

Russian President Vladimir Putin offered a novel idea to advance the Russia investigation during a joint news conference with President Donald Trump in Helsinki.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team could come to his country, Putin said, if Russian investigators were allowed to go the United States to dig into alleged tax evasion by American-born financier Bill Browder and his associates.
"Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over 1.5 billion dollars in Russia," Putin said through a translator. "They never paid any taxes."

Putin continued.

"They sent a huge amount of money, over 400 million, as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton," he said. "Well, that’s their personal case. It might have been legal, the contribution itself, but the way the money was earned was illegal."

Did Browder's associates send $400 million to Hillary Clinton's campaign?

No. We found $17,700 donated to Clinton and another $297,000 to the Democratic National Committee.

A little background

The Russians say that Browder and his partners at Ziff Brothers Investments, a New York venture capital firm, illegally syphoned billions of rubles out of the country. To add salt to the wound, Browder had led the charge to pass the 2012 Magnitsky Act, a law that penalizes Russian officials suspected of sanctioning the death of Browder’s lawyer Sergei Magnitsky in a Russian prison.

The Ziff brothers came up during the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between Donald Trump Jr. and others, and Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, a Russian lawyer who promised dirt on the Hillary Clinton campaign. According to transcripts from Senate Judiciary Committee interviews, Veselnitskaya’s materials described the Ziffs as Democratic donors, although Trump’s son said they gave both to Democrats and Republicans.

Follow the money

We reached out to the Russian Embassy and the Russian consulate in Washington to get details on the $400 million donation and had not heard back in time for our deadline.

Given that Veselnitskaya tied Browder and the Ziff brothers together, we researched their political donations.

Browder became a British citizen and can’t legally contribute to U.S. candidates. Ziff Brothers Investments through its executives can give freely, and they have.

Before we get into their political contributions, we also wondered if Putin could have been talking about money that went to the Clinton Foundation. In past years, Browder and Ziff Brothers Investments had given to the Clinton Global Initiative, a project of the Clinton Foundation, but the total was not more than $110,000, records show.

In the 2016 election cycle, Ziff Brothers Investments gave $1.7 million. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, nearly two-thirds, or about $1.1 million, went to Democratic committees, and the rest to Republicans.

The center listed the firm’s top recipients:

Recipient Amount

DNC Services Corp $296,966
Senate Majority PAC $250,000
Defending Main Street $200,000
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $40,000
Democratic State Central Cmte/Louisiana $35,412
National Republican Congressional Cmte $32,400
Democratic Party of Montana $28,622
Democratic Executive Cmte of Florida $27,287
Democratic Party of New Hampshire $27,287
Democratic Party of Virginia $27,287
Democratic Party of Wisconsin $27,287
Georgia Federal Elections Cmte $27,287

Federal law puts tighter limits on contributions to individual candidates. Here, the Ziffs mainly put their money into incumbents, and Republicans did better by a margin of about $145,000 to $46,000. Clinton’s campaign received $17,700.

Unless Putin had other Browder associates in mind, his figure of $400 million going to the Clinton campaign is a massive exaggeration. Between the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, the Ziffs gave about $315,000.

The Clinton campaign raised $563 million overall, so Putin's sum would account for nearly three-fourths of all donations. (PACs affiliated with Clinton's campaign raised an additional $231 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.)

Our ruling:

Putin said associates of Bill Browder gave $400 million to the Clinton campaign. The associates appear to be the Ziff brothers. According to public data, Ziff Brothers Investments gave about $315,000 to Clinton and the Democratic National Committee.

Overall, the firm gave about $1.1 million to Democratic committees around the country.

The exaggeration is so great, we rate this claim Pants on Fire. [end quote]



Putin has absolutely no proof on offer for his claims, but plenty of reason to lie. So, if you want to believe Mr. Putin, go right ahead. You'll be in illustrious company, as I note that this blind trust approach seems to work for President Trump.

Brian

Helene West
20th July 2018, 20:14
I doubt Putin would mind chaos in the US

As Paul and I have both tried to emphasize, Trump is like Yeltsin. And Putin, in this case would be like Clinton. With Clinton's help, Yeltsin pushed his own country right over a cliff.

The American people are being duped. Very few people know or care to find out just how hideous life was for the average Russian, under Yeltsin. People starved. But it never made the mainstream news in North America.

Trump is Putin's payback. And it has to happen. There has to be peace and a restructuring, but don't for a minute believe Putin has anything but complete contempt for a nation so easily duped.

And don't think, if you are pro-Trump that you will like the final outcome, unless of course you don't mind, a few years down the road, living out your life in a Christian reeducation work camp.

I'm giving a thanks thumbs up just for the laughs....
We're going to starve AND in a Christian reeducation camp to boot!!

AutumnW
20th July 2018, 20:18
Me too, Helene. Difference is, I'll have the last laugh.

AutumnW
20th July 2018, 20:21
Is it possible to nominate a urine video for the Nobel piss prize?😀😀😀

Helene West
20th July 2018, 20:22
Me too, Helene. Difference is, I'll have the last laugh.

yeah, okay

NeedleThreader
20th July 2018, 20:34
However the heck the number 160 terabytes, or gigabytes or whatever the case may be - the specific number of 160 terabytes is too precise of a number to have ever been filtered down from TRUMP receiving said information on said drives, telling his aides or whomever: "Yo, check this out brother, Putin just gave me 160 terabytes of info, but don't tell anyone!"

In whatever combination of lunacy this information trickled down to from the TOP of our Political Hierarchy down to Hal Turner is beyond my understanding. Why not 170, or 200, or 49?

The number is too specific. If this were a real report, the headline would have just read "Hundreds of Terabytes or many Terabytes" etc. The information never would have made it this far. My point is, in this digital age, with all the information out there, when something this juicy, and this hot comes into play, it pays to dissect reports such as these and take them with a Fulfordian grain of salt.

Helene West
20th July 2018, 20:52
I'll agree with Needlethreader, and even Autumn (minus the melodrama above) in regards to naivete.
I saw Hal Turner's name and I felt exasperated. It's wishin' and hopin' time. Maybe cause 'Q' has disappeared and some are looking for their hope injection?
Take Judge Jeanine. How naive to appear on the View. What did she think was going to happen but abuse? Don't like seeing me red-pilled friends so ready to believe hot air...

turiya
20th July 2018, 21:45
No comment. Go figure it...

Dr. Steve Pieczenik On Putin And Trump
(Jul 18, 2018)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScBPkjCPzfs_________________________

Chris Wallace interviews Russian President Vladimir Putin
(Jul 16, 2018)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHY8yG4mVzs

Hervé
20th July 2018, 21:50
Who I would like to hear from on this information is Herve. Are you listening, Herve?


Da, kamarad Donaldsky, da ball (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103544-Putin-s-gift-to-us&p=1236245&viewfull=1#post1236245) in da kamp! Da, da!To understand what's going on between these two, one would have to study Sue Arrigo's material (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/) which is peppered with data relating to the CIA-MI6-KGB-MOSSAD relationships... where Sue had no quibbles asking her Russian counterpart for tapes - audio + video - of some White House meeting on so-and-so date at such-and-such time... bam: Cheney and Bush selling CIA laptops with non-deleted confidential files to a Russian guy... for pocket change... Russian hack? Hah! ROFL!

Mr Putin, former KGB, former FSB, must have read many of those files and is managing to extricate himself and Russia out of that Cold War setup and handing them to the sitting Ducky Trump...

But, to understand the out-of-the-box view on "collusion", why not start here: For an idea on the "big" picture (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25102-For-an-idea-on-the-big-picture&p=1142827&viewfull=1#post1142827)

Now, since the Donald is not a known Rockefeller/Rottenschield minion, not many intelligence agencies are willing to give him a hand but for putin's FSB...

Meanwhile, keep people bickering about fake news, disinformation, psy-ops, half-baked whistle blowings, democrates, republicans, neo-this and paleo-that... sigh...

ThePythonicCow
20th July 2018, 23:30
I doubt Putin would mind chaos in the US

As Paul and I have both tried to emphasize, Trump is like Yeltsin. And Putin, in this case would be like Clinton. With Clinton's help, Yeltsin pushed his own country right over a cliff.
...
And don't think, if you are pro-Trump that you will like the final outcome, unless of course you don't mind, a few years down the road, living out your life in a Christian reeducation work camp.
I would push the First Evil Empire, the Soviet Union, and the Second Evil Empire, the imperial American empire, over the cliff. Good riddance to both.

The countries, the nations, Russia already, and America sometime in the future, will survive and their people will be, already are in the case of Russia, better off.

So too will the rest of the peoples of the world be better off, once the evil empires, especially at present the American based evil empire, quit destroying them with bombs, drugs, toxic medicines, toxic food, and evil deeds.

No doubt we, humanity, will still have our problems. But I am glad that a couple of big problems, two Evil Empires, are on their way to the dust bin of history.



The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on.

-- The Rubaiyat (http://classics.mit.edu/Khayyam/rubaiyat.html), By Omar Khayyam

ThePythonicCow
20th July 2018, 23:36
Putin has absolutely no proof on offer for his claims, but plenty of reason to lie. So, if you want to believe Mr. Putin, go right ahead. You'll be in illustrious company, as I note that this blind trust approach seems to work for President Trump.

Brian
I would suggest that Mr. Putin was correct in offering to allow Mueller access to the interrogation of those twelve Russians he accused in his latest indictment, in turn for the U.S. allowing the Russians access to the interrogation of the Americans that Putin charges are responsible for the illegal movement of money out of Russia, in part to the Clinton's.

At present, I would trust Putin more than I would trust Mueller, or the Politico, on these particular matters.

But, as Putin observed, neither set of accusations has been proven in a court of law yet.

ThePythonicCow
20th July 2018, 23:45
But, to understand the out-of-the-box view on "collusion", why not start here: For an idea on the "big" picture (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25102-For-an-idea-on-the-big-picture&p=1142827&viewfull=1#post1142827)

Now, since the Donald is not a known Rockefeller/Rottenschield minion, not many intelligence agencies are willing to give him a hand but for putin's FSB...

Meanwhile, keep people bickering about fake news, disinformation, psy-ops, half-baked whistle blowings, democrates, republicans, neo-this and paleo-that... sigh...
:clapping: .

AutumnW
21st July 2018, 00:10
Paul,

Agree with you on ALL points. My intuition tells me that the U.S is headed for a military dictatorship though. And seeing as the military is composed largely of right wing Christian Zionist fanatics, I'm concerned about the direction a dictatorship might take. Hopefully, fingers crossed, this can be avoided or it is a temporary thing.

Dictatorships tend to be remarkably resilient though. It scares me.

A Voice from the Mountains
21st July 2018, 00:47
Meanwhile, Trump gets surrounded by neocons all over his cabinet.
He’s isolated...
I think the writings on the wall

Reince Priebus was a terrible Chief of Staff and everyone knew it. Trump once told him to go swat flies, literally. General Kelly, for all of his public performances, acting as though he's tortured by what the president is saying, has actually stayed on a pretty long time now and things seem to be running fairly smoothly.

Kelly is a military general after all, and not all of those are neocons. I have a feeling that more than a few of them have been playing deep cover, and Generals Kelly and Mattis may be among them. The military is certainly not a position that Trump would risk assigning to someone he did not feel a very strong bond with, and Mattis seems to be handling things well.




Yeltsin was drunk on vodka; Trump might be accused of being drunk on his ego. Trump's mastery of the "Deal" is especially well developed in handling over-sized bankruptcies. Central casting has chosen well.
The two look like they were cut from the same mold:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Yeltsin_Trump_Fist.jpg

You have to look the part to convince others to allow you to play it. :P

ThePythonicCow
21st July 2018, 00:57
Paul,

Agree with you on ALL points. My intuition tells me that the U.S is headed for a military dictatorship though. And seeing as the military is composed largely of right wing Christian Zionist fanatics, I'm concerned about the direction a dictatorship might take. Hopefully, fingers crossed, this can be avoided or it is a temporary thing.

Dictatorships tend to be remarkably resilient though. It scares me.

Perhaps Russia is closer to a democracy now, than it was 20 or 40 years ago?

Perhaps Russia is more respectful of the freedom of its people, and of the dignity of its neighbors, than it was 20 or 40 years ago?

Perhaps the Russian military, and the Russian Orthodox Church, have played important roles in bringing this about?

Perhaps the United States is further removed from being a democracy now than we realize?

Perhaps strong patriotic, moral, men have an essential role to play in the decline and fall of the Imperial American Empire, replacing it with one more honorable nation among many ... one of the larger and more powerful nations, but still a nation more respectful than now of the freedom of its people and the dignity of humanity?

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Last I voted, I voted more to the right, and I still am more likely to lean toward the "right" side of the popular issues of the day than I am toward the "left" side. Admittedly, for a while in my youth, I leaned more to the left.

Last I went to church (60 years ago now) I went to a Christian church, and my innate sense of morality still has deep roots in Christianity.

I also spent four years in the military, as an officer in the United States Air Force, and left under honorable conditions.

However I have never self-identified as being, not held much respect for, Zionists or fanatics.

So I would not put the terms "right wing Christian" and "Zionist fanatics" together, in one combined descriptive phrase.

Rather such phrasing sounds to me like a word salad, tossing together whatever negative sounding pejoratives come first to mind, perhaps with the intention of casting dispersion's on those who seem to be stepping forth now, to bring down the Imperial Tyranny, that has been led by the Bush-Clinton crime syndicate, and that has over taken our nation's government and advanced the interests of the Second Evil Empire and of the wealthy and powerful behind that Empire, to all the four corners of this planet, and perhaps already beyond.

A Voice from the Mountains
21st July 2018, 00:59
Who I would like to hear from on this information is Herve. Are you listening, Herve?


Da, kamarad Donaldsky, da ball (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103544-Putin-s-gift-to-us&p=1236245&viewfull=1#post1236245) in da kamp! Da, da!To understand what's going on between these two, one would have to study Sue Arrigo's material (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/) which is peppered with data relating to the CIA-MI6-KGB-MOSSAD relationships... where Sue had no quibbles asking her Russian counterpart for tapes - audio + video - of some White House meeting on so-and-so date at such-and-such time... bam: Cheney and Bush selling CIA laptops with non-deleted confidential files to a Russian guy... for pocket change... Russian hack? Hah! ROFL!

Mr Putin, former KGB, former FSB, must have read many of those files and is managing to extricate himself and Russia out of that Cold War setup and handing them to the sitting Ducky Trump...

Very good information. I didn't realize it was that easy for Russia to spy on us, even inside the White House. It's disappointing but I guess it shouldn't be surprising given how many traitors and moles we have elected to high offices.

On the other hand, there are also lots of patriots in our government who have been squirreling away their own copies of incriminating evidence for years. The NYPD for example made copies of Anthony Weiner's laptop's contents before handing the computer over to the FBI. Now those copies have been sent to certain congressional offices (Trey Gowdy, anyone?). Trump is also releasing massive amounts of information on the JFK assassination, so they didn't successfully purge that before he got in office, either.


Now, since the Donald is not a known Rockefeller/Rottenschield minion, not many intelligence agencies are willing to give him a hand but for putin's FSB...

You have to admit, it's pretty magnificent.

ThePythonicCow
21st July 2018, 01:00
You have to look the part to convince others to allow you to play it. :P
So that's why I have no chance of becoming President!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/avatar2030_1.gif

ichingcarpenter
21st July 2018, 01:06
Isn't Hal Turner a REAL neo NAZI and just got out of prison in 2012? Is this your go to guy for stories these days? Should this be under speculation or considered news.???... just asking questions

Yes it would be nice if this was true if it took down the Clintons, Bush Crime family and even Trump and Obama.

If it was given to wikileaks instead of these yo yos then the story might have more credence for me but right now... not so much.

A Voice from the Mountains
21st July 2018, 01:07
Paul,

Agree with you on ALL points. My intuition tells me that the U.S is headed for a military dictatorship though. And seeing as the military is composed largely of right wing Christian Zionist fanatics, I'm concerned about the direction a dictatorship might take. Hopefully, fingers crossed, this can be avoided or it is a temporary thing.

Dictatorships tend to be remarkably resilient though. It scares me.

It only seems like a dictatorship to you because you've been on top of the foot while everyone else has been getting the fascist boot already for the past 20+ years. For all the American families out there who had an idea of how out-of-control our government was becoming, we already knew it was going to be a fight. Frankly I expected to see another civil war within my lifetime, and this was back when Bush was still office. I continued believing that until relatively recently. I don't think there's going to be a war now. But I think there is definitely going to be a very large crackdown that probably will scare the hell out of you.

When that happens though, just remember that you are going to get to see the evidence if you want to. There are going to be trials. This will all be done properly. There are plenty of examples of failed states in the world and it's fairly common knowledge that you can't restore a government to constitutional rule by a brutal massacre. It only generates retribution and further conflict. Trump is ultimately just a mouthpiece here of something that has been going on since WW2 ended. There is going to be ugliness but we are going to do this once and do it right.

ThePythonicCow
21st July 2018, 01:17
Isn't Hal Turner a REAL neo NAZI and just got out of prison in 2012? Is this your go to guy for stories these days? Should this be under speculation or considered news.???... just asking questions
Yes, as I explained in an earlier post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103544-Putin-s-gift-to-us&p=1236317&viewfull=1#post1236317) on this thread, Hal Turner is a seriously compromised "source".

Do not accept this report on account of its source; rather doubt it all the more.

... which may be one of the reasons why the FBI might have chosen Hal Turner, a long time contact of theirs, to go public with this story ... in order to cast some serious shade over truer, more damning, but in some ways too similar, story that is at risk of leaking out in the near future.

AutumnW
21st July 2018, 01:57
Paul, I don't disagree with you about Russia. Right wing Christian Zionist is a pretty descriptive term for many in the military. If those who are not if that ilk manage to dominate in overthrowing the cabal that has Ben in control, globally for decades, good on them! I am not convinced that is going to happen.

A Voice from the Mountains
21st July 2018, 02:03
I don't remember of ever hearing of Hal Turner before, but one of the other posts said he was a government informant. So is Richard Spencer. There is a picture of him with Laura Bush, apparently back from before he was infamous. There are also some fully idiotic secessionist groups in the South which advocate for going around tearing up railroad tracks again like it's still 1860 (ie League of the South), and I would be shocked if that wasn't also an FBI operation.

Just like the CIA propped up al Qaeda, the FBI likes propping up the movements it's supposedly combating too, to the point where they fully become government operations. Activists they don't have control of, like Martin Luther King Jr., or John Lennon, tend to run into problems.

Valerie Villars
21st July 2018, 02:13
Just like the CIA propped up al Qaeda, the FBI likes propping up the movements it's supposedly combating too, to the point where they fully become government operations. Activists they don't have control of, like Martin Luther King Jr., or John Lennon, tend to run into problems.
Parent Pos

That was one of the most insightful things I have ever seen you post. And you are one pretty smart guy. Thanks.

ghostrider
22nd July 2018, 02:22
if even ten percent of the article is factual and true , it would explain the unified meltdown the very next morning by the msm , Democrats , retired spooks , agents , and the like ... They all went bonkers over two world leaders speaking privately ...

ThePythonicCow
24th July 2018, 00:51
That such a day would come..I feel a musical coming on..........Thanks Paul.

Holistic thank you for posting this. I feel some optmism coming on....

Here is a fast talking Russian (subtitles in English, thankfully), Karen Shakhnazarov, the director of People's Artist of Russia, who has views to mine, comparing the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1990's, with the collapse of the American Empire that Trump is now undertaking:
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turiya
24th July 2018, 01:55
His enemy is the globalist international order, not the United States itself. Russia has about the same GDP as the state of Texas. And they are virtually alone against the world, defending their national interests against the usual global bullies. It's obviously a losing battle for them without our help.

Trump's election meant an opportunity for the US to be turned out of this same global order, which is what patriotic Americans have wanted for decades anyway. So in this way the interests of the American and Russian people truly align, and the internationalist order obviously does not appreciate this alliance.



SGT Report: The Common Enemy of Russia &
the U.S. is the Deep State Shadow Gov't
(July 23, 2018)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rT0JNoAic8
INTRO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd9LrTqqrYE

Description:



This is the FULL interview - a copy - of the recently deleted (by Youtube) SGT Report interview with Robert David Steele.
Youtube has just recently taken down the SGT Report Channel.
The Full Video can also be found at the following bitchute link: https://www.bitchute.com/video/59hhJBpk3o0/



Putin: "The Ball is Now in Your Court, Mr President."

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b526a3166cb04da018b4569-750-375.jpg

ThePythonicCow
24th July 2018, 02:16
This is the intro to a recent SGT Report interview with Robert David Steele.
Youtube has just recently taken down the SGT Report Channel.
The Full Video can be see at the following link: https://www.bitchute.com/video/59hhJBpk3o0/

See this post of mine and the posts surrounding it, for further discussion of the take down of the SGTReport Youtube channel: Youtube strikes, bans and censorship, with links to backup and alternative sites -- Post #109 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101855-Youtube-strikes-bans-and-censorship-with-links-to-backup-and-alternative-sites&p=1237403&viewfull=1#post1237403)

turiya
24th July 2018, 02:56
This is the intro to a recent SGT Report interview with Robert David Steele.
Youtube has just recently taken down the SGT Report Channel.
The Full Video can be see at the following link: https://www.bitchute.com/video/59hhJBpk3o0/

See this post of mine and the posts surrounding it, for further discussion of the take down of the SGTReport Youtube channel: Youtube strikes, bans and censorship, with links to backup and alternative sites -- Post #109 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101855-Youtube-strikes-bans-and-censorship-with-links-to-backup-and-alternative-sites&p=1237403&viewfull=1#post1237403)



I made a copy of the intro, & posted it above on this thread, because within that intro & video what Robert David Steele states supports what the Hal Turner article says. In the interview RDS says he had been told this by a Russian intel operative.






RDS:

"What I have been told is that Putin handed Trump a treasure trove of Russia's Signals Intelligence indentifying specific elite American traitors & specific elite American pedophiles."

ThePythonicCow
24th July 2018, 03:05
See this post of mine and the posts surrounding it, for further discussion of the take down of the SGTReport Youtube channel

I made a copy of the intro, & posted it above on this thread, because within that intro & video what Robert David Steele states supports what the Hal Turner article says.
Yes - makes sense. Robert David Steele's interview on the (now taken down) SGTReport Youtube channel fits in two threads here: the Youtube ban thread, and this Putin gift to Trump thread.

turiya
24th July 2018, 12:03
See this post of mine and the posts surrounding it, for further discussion of the take down of the SGTReport Youtube channel

I made a copy of the intro, & posted it above on this thread, because within that intro & video what Robert David Steele states supports what the Hal Turner article says.
Yes - makes sense. Robert David Steele's interview on the (now taken down) SGTReport Youtube channel fits in two threads here: the Youtube ban thread, and this Putin gift to Trump thread.

Made a copy of the FULL RDS interview... now available to view in the above Post #66 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103544-Putin-s-gift-to-us&p=1237404&viewfull=1#post1237404).