Misuse of the word 'God'

[Eagle Eye]

I will try it to explain the essence since english is not my native language and can create confusion going in details.

We have a long history when people has used the word God, for their own purpose. Government has used to gain public trust, military has used it to make soldiers fight without questioning, religious members has used it to manipulate masses and to have more power...and so on. All this history of abusing of that word has led people to detach from the divine, to opose that word every time and even get them to hate that word.

Thats why when the word God is mentioned, most of us unconsciously create mixed not comfortable emotions. In my opinion this is the highest deception that has been made to the human race to detach it from the divine realm and deceiving them from accepting the one Creator and its creation.

[greybeard]

Even bigger is the deception that we are separate from "God"
There is no where that God is not.
No "God" no life, the seeming two are one.
"God" became all that is, without diminishing itself.

I agree that the concept of God was used to install fear and obedience.

Onward Christian soldiers etc.

Ch

[Foxie Loxie]

The word 'God' means something different to each person, I think. In the Judeo-Christian arena we have assumed it was the God of the Old Testament.

However, that word was mistranslated in Genesis as it is a plural word...gods....so a whole belief system was constructed around in incorrect tranlation! :facepalm:

Herve has an amazing article called "The So-called Word of God" which helped me start peeling away the layers of brainwashing I had received! You might find it interesting, Iceberg!

I do agree with you....I no longer even like the word 'God' as it conveys something very unrealistic. It is better to say "I AM"!! :highfive:

[Orph]

The word "God" is just that. A word. Nothing more. Just a word. Go look at a tree. The tree is what it is, regardless of what we call it. So, we can use terms like "Source", "All-That-Is", God", or whatever.

But I agree with Graybeard. We are all a part of The One. And we must try to find that connection deep within ourselves. And this is something that has to be "experienced". And I have a feeling that if a person can truly experience being a part of The One that all labels and words will fall by the wayside. All teachings by others will fall by the wayside. We won't need anyone to "show us the way". We won't need a "God".

Anyway, that's just my opinion.

[Salv8tion]

Herve has an amazing article called "The So-called Word of God" which helped me start peeling away the layers of brainwashing I had received! You might find it interesting, Iceberg!

Could you point me in the right direction for this article, Foxie Loxie? Would LOVE to read it, and a quick google didn't lead me anywhere but hits on Avalon Forum lol. Much appreciated!

[Eagle Eye]

I aprechiate the replies even I don't agree with some statements.

I see the inside and outside like 2 different worlds but part of one creation, by one Creator and our consciousness can percieve both worlds. There are those who says look only in inside and those who look only the outside, but I like to say: look the inside and outside and take the best of them.

Also I agree that we are part of God and everything is, but I don't like this part of creation which we are experiencing right now, thats what I ment that we have been detached from divine, by this system through history by abusing the word God.

[ExomatrixTV]

Prime Creator is way too big for any ReLIEgion or (contaminated) label we use!

[Zak247]

There’s “God” as a noun and there’s “God” as a system of metaphysical science and laws that determine reality. That’s what also can’t be separated from the noun--God.

It’s the metaphysical laws that determined the suffering world we have fallen into.
And it’s these same laws that we must find and use to get out of this world of suffering and intense negativity.

So there’s God, the being, and his/her systems.
Actually, it’s her/his systems that matter more to us than the noun or person of God.

That’s what Buddha means when he said he doesn’t believe in the God of theology.

The God of standard western theology is irrelevant in terms of his systems of metaphysical laws that rule our inner world.

The best way to use God's laws to return to our original state of happiness and bliss is through the practice of Love and virtue.

[DeDukshyn]

Herve has an amazing article called "The So-called Word of God" which helped me start peeling away the layers of brainwashing I had received! You might find it interesting, Iceberg!

Could you point me in the right direction for this article, Foxie Loxie? Would LOVE to read it, and a quick google didn't lead me anywhere but hits on Avalon Forum lol. Much appreciated!

It's an opening post on a thread on this forum, actually, :) here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86384-Here-The-So-called-Word-Of-God&highlight=word

[Salv8tion]

Herve has an amazing article called "The So-called Word of God" which helped me start peeling away the layers of brainwashing I had received! You might find it interesting, Iceberg!

Could you point me in the right direction for this article, Foxie Loxie? Would LOVE to read it, and a quick google didn't lead me anywhere but hits on Avalon Forum lol. Much appreciated!

It's an opening post on a thread on this forum, actually, :) here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86384-Here-The-So-called-Word-Of-God&highlight=word

Ah! Thanks for clarifying that, and thanks Foxie Loxie for the PM pointing me in the same direction!

[Cardillac]

many, many words/phrases (doesn't matter which language- it's everywhere) are thoughtlessly uttered by 'we the "sheeple"' without even realising what the word/phrase really means because of where all of this originates-

Larry

[DeDukshyn]

many, many words/phrases (doesn't matter which language- it's everywhere) are thoughtlessly uttered by 'we the "sheeple"' without even realising what the word/phrase really means because of where all of this originates-

Larry

I'd say the effect you refer to is due to the power of language borne, linguistically structured thought - I firmly believe that all our spoken languages have been crafted and given to humans for the purpose of vastly restricting our ability to understand and share with each other that which is ineffable ... it has been shown that that the further back one goes toward "origin" of language, the more structured and purposeful the language becomes. We expect that language has evolved toward sophistication, structure and clarity, but these studies show that languages appear to have started out "perfect" and have been degrading and evolving since inception.

Someone gave us language, apparently as a control mechanism over the minds of men, at they very root of our consciousness ... I'd say one of the greatest conspiracies ever ... but I digress from the thread topic ...

[Foxie Loxie]

Great point, DeDukshyn!! :highfive: And.....I wouldn't say it is "off topic! We just haven't realized HOW MUCH we have been controlled!!

[Eagle Eye]

many, many words/phrases (doesn't matter which language- it's everywhere) are thoughtlessly uttered by 'we the "sheeple"' without even realising what the word/phrase really means because of where all of this originates-

Larry

I'd say the effect you refer to is due to the power of language borne, linguistically structured thought - I firmly believe that all our spoken languages have been crafted and given to humans for the purpose of vastly restricting our ability to understand and share with each other that which is ineffable ... it has been shown that that the further back one goes toward "origin" of language, the more structured and purposeful the language becomes. We expect that language has evolved toward sophistication, structure and clarity, but these studies show that languages appear to have started out "perfect" and have been degrading and evolving since inception.

Someone gave us language, apparently as a control mechanism over the minds of men, at they very root of our consciousness ... I'd say one of the greatest conspiracies ever ... but I digress from the thread topic ...

I just brought the example of the most powerful word we can imagine, to describe what has been done to that, being lowered down on purpose the powerful impact it has. Its not just about language, but mostly about its meaning and also the thoughts and emotions that associate it.

[Foxie Loxie]

I would say the most powerful word we have is LOVE! :heart:

[petra]

Thanks for posting Iceberg you have some very good points, I really dislike the misuse, and to be fair I did try (and fail) to stop saying God.

Saying "The Source" reminds me of Circuit City, so can't use that :P

Freemasons say "Supreme Being" which I kind of like but it still seems lacking.

I could say "Big Weird Alien" and I think that'd be true... there's just a lot of ways to interpret that (ha ha)

Immaculate conception is supposed to mean "conceived with love" not "conceived by magic", and "virgin" used to be someone who has not given birth, but now it means someone who has not had sex.

If you add all of this stuff up, it really starts to make us Christians look like a bunch of idiots.

I'm embarrassed about the Crusades... I don't get along with most other Christians... but I still consider myself Christian because I follow Jesus, and because they all believe in "demons". Where some might find the concept of demons scary, I just get ticked off by it. Exorcist is a job - and that's a fact. Something's just feels wrong - but not so wrong that everyone knows about it (yet).



....I no longer even like the word 'God' as it conveys something very unrealistic. It is better to say "I AM"!! :highfive:

LOL Foxie....! I dare not say I am...

Being God would be the last thing I'd want to be. I've already been "Pretend God" in my head, and that scared the crap out of me. The scary part was when I thought I really was "God" (great now it needs quotes..ha ha)

I kept getting pretend-tricked into destroying things, and it felt as if "Real God" was facepalming at me the entire time (because I was so gullible)

Any way, that's just my perception of it - I still continue to use the word even if I might be offending some Atheists along the way. If they want to get offended about something, they could always offended about "In God We Trust" on all the money. If I was an Athiest I think that would kind of get on my nerves :)

[Foxie Loxie]

petra.....we are all part of The One; the Totality of All. In that sense you are "god". Think of yourself as a spark that has come off of the Only Source there is. You are an Eternal, Sovereign Being before you ever entered the meatsack you presently inhabit.

A biggie for me was learning there IS no "death"! I come from a very narrowminded Christian sect so I can understand your hesitance.

Say to yourself every day..."I AM"; that is the one truth you can be sure of! :bearhug:

[petra]

Someone gave us language, apparently as a control mechanism over the minds of men, at they very root of our consciousness ... I'd say one of the greatest conspiracies ever ... but I digress from the thread topic ...

I have to say... you're very close to how I see it too. Language is right at the root of it. English in particular, because it's the worst one.

We're not digressing :) English is awful, and it's kind of relevant!

I only began thinking of it like a conspiracy when the actual shape of the letters was giving me the creeps. Bet you didn't know Q kind of looks like the Devil if you put a couple of horns and a tail on it :)

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petra.....we are all part of The One; the Totality of All. In that sense you are "god". Think of yourself as a spark that has come off of the Only Source there is. You are an Eternal, Sovereign Being before you ever entered the meatsack you presently inhabit.

A biggie for me was learning there IS no "death"! I come from a very narrowminded Christian sect so I can understand your hesitance.

Say to yourself every day..."I AM"; that is the one truth you can be sure of! :bearhug:

I'd rather be able to say "I see", and for that to be true :)

[Chanie]

Foxie, to use a Sunday School reference, your little I Am spark “shines like a pure clear light!”

:focus:

[hermit]

I forget where I picked this up, but... fun experiment time. ;)

In the Hebrew language, vowels are implied. So words are written with consonants and you just assume the vowels.

So the name of God, one of them YHWH is actually two syllables.

Yh

and

Wh.

So, finish reading this post and give this a try.

When you are quiet, still, calm breathe in through your mouth gently, and notice the sound. It's yh.

Then, still quiet, still, calm breathing, breath out through you mouth and listen. It's wh.

From your first breath until your last. YhWh.

[Foxie Loxie]

Gen. 1:1 The Hebrew word we see translated "God" is actually "elohim"...."gods"....little g. That's how it all starts off so badly...with an incorrect translation! :doh:

[shaberon]

From Masoretic Hebrew, the first sentence was translated from:

B’râsh ithbara Elôhîm eth hashamayim v’eth h’arets

However--without breaking any rules, one can get sensible Hebrew by simply moving the very first space:

B’râsith bara Elôhîm eth hashamayim v’eth h’arets

"In the source, the androgynous host shaped..." would be a better translation.

Masoretic reads lkrnnwthtvwls (like a run on without vowels). In terms of the "written form" alone, this translation is equally valid as the usual.

[Foxie Loxie]

I'm not a Hebrew scholar, but I do know that there are no capital letters in the written text, as there are no vowels.

So, is what you're saying is that it all depends upon which "text" one chooses to accept? During my religious years I can remember heated arguments over newer translations than the KJV.

What is even more amusing... is while living in Mexico, in the churches there would be huge arguments over newer translations than the Reina Valera!

Now after my education here on Avalon...I'm like, "Enough, already! We were never given a correct translation to begin with!" It was amazing to listen to the presentations of Mauro Biglino, dismissed from the Vatican after translating correctly what was actually written!

We have been sold a Bill of Goods that kept us as slaves for centuries! That's my "beef"! :sun:

[hermit]

Gen. 1:1 The Hebrew word we see translated "God" is actually "elohim"...."gods"....little g. That's how it all starts off so badly...with an incorrect translation! :doh:

What's your source for that?

[Foxie Loxie]

A good Biblical concordance that shows the original words in Hebrew helps in that area.

In fact.....it was an incorrect translation of a passage in Hebrews which says we were made "a little lower than the angels" that got me started on my "search"! :o

It was quoting from one of the Psalms of the O.T. So I had a friend of mine who knew Hebrew check out what the word was in the Psalm. It was "elohim"; NOT "angel"!!

AND.....that is what got me started on questioning EVERYTHING I had been taught as a child!! I guess "the gods" DID make us in their image. Apparently their "realm" is as chaotic as ours!! :facepalm:

[shaberon]

True about no capitals and the ones I wrote could be lower-cased.

The whole book is from Masoretic coupled with oral traditions about how the whole words are supposed to be set up. You can find this anywhere, plenty of Hebrew Bible sources around.

So whether the second word is ithbara, or just bara, is the difference between "in the beginning" or something like "in the source".

Throughout, the word god was used for Elohim, Adonai, Yahweh...different meanings piled up into one "big unknown".

God was also used for deva and bhagavad from Sanskrit. In almost all cases, translations of classic scriptures have been done in this way, but again, none of them could have used the 4th century gothic term. It is best to get classics as close to the original as possible: in this sense, the Bible is the worst thing to try to deal with, but for example with India, the problems mostly arise in putting it to English. Bhagavad Gita does not mean "God's Song", it just happened to be one of the first things ever translated and has just been sitting that way for two hundred years.

Yahweh is not the Elohim, but a local tribal deity or Saturn of that tribe, and because it is violent, deceptive, and cares only for its chosen people, we have grounds to raise a protest about attempts to make this one appear the same as the universal deity, which is not god. Yahweh may be more accurately called Demiurge, Ialdabaoth, Rex Mundi, and other similar names indicating that it breathed life into "Adam of dust", but we are only interested in the Primordial Adam fashioned by the Elohim which does not exist in the material plane. This equates to the difference between animal soul and spiritual soul.

[Foxie Loxie]

Agreed that it is ALL very confusing!! Now that I think back on all the "evangelical" Bible thumpers trying to railroad their particular views by going to the "original" language....it is very amusing!!

We're talking about CENTURIES of deception by a neatly woven tale designed to keep the human race in an attitude of servitude & slavery. I know what I'm talking about because I spent 70 years there! :o

Of course The Controllers wanted to spread Christianity & get rid of the "native" cultures who already possessed their own "truth"! :doh:

I really appreciate your input, shaberon! You know what you're talking about! You can tell I came from a very closed mindset background!

:faint2:

[East Sun]

God can not be deciphered, not in any language, or even in thought, maybe in intense feelings in the extreme.
But even that would fall short. The best word I can come up with is, indecipherable.
That, of course, means that we can not possibly comprehend what is beyond our human ability.
We constantly strive and guess, as religions have done and tried to say that they knew, they did not.

Reincarnation has been documented, and denied by the aforementioned.

god as a word runs the gamut, meaning different things to different people.

I feel sorry for people of limited education who were brainwashed from day one to believe what they were told by
religious 'know-it-all's.

We need to educate them......

[shaberon]

Agreed that it is ALL very confusing!! Now that I think back on all the "evangelical" Bible thumpers trying to railroad their particular views by going to the "original" language....it is very amusing!!

We're talking about CENTURIES of deception by a neatly woven tale designed to keep the human race in an attitude of servitude & slavery. I know what I'm talking about because I spent 70 years there! :o

Of course The Controllers wanted to spread Christianity & get rid of the "native" cultures who already possessed their own "truth"! :doh:



This is why any of the Johannite heresies are so threatening: Templar or Mandean Sabian for example.

Constantine was Pontifex Maximus of Apollo while directing the council to select its gospels. Rome had little to do with it, the pope was too old to travel sending delegates, overall there were ten or so western bishops and some 390 of Syria, Egypt, etc. But something had been going on in Rome with its claims about St. Peter indicating that it was...doing its own thing already. It never was a right fitting part of the Orthodox Church. Something must have happened there while most churches were still someone's house. Before it had any power or property or was widely accepted. There are no real records on this early background, but we can observe the views taking place amongst the early fathers. They took Hypostasis extremely seriously.

Rome did not have, and Jerome had to ask permission to see, the original Hebrew gospel of Matthew held by the Marcionites.

But we can see they were crafting their own creed ca. 200 and began violently suppressing others ca. 400.

[Foxie Loxie]

WOW! What a wealth of information, shaberon!! I remember well, it was The Naked Archaeologist's series on "The Secrets of Christianity" that started opening my eyes to the fact that all I had been taught was of human origin!

He actually took a cherry picker & bonafide archaeologist to the Arch of Constantine to show there were only pagan images on the arch! It was amazing to see!

I have always wondered "Where are the early records?!" So....there ARE none!! I guess we have to assume, even Hypostasis was a product of a human thought evolution? How amazing that "someone" came up with a "system" to enslave humanity that has worked for centuries!

I must say....Zoroastrianism begins to look more & more "logical"! As I understand it...emphasis on the individual; Good Thought, Good Will & Good Deeds. Free will & individualism. No tribe mentality. Acceptance of responsibility to judge for oneself.

Thank you for taking the time to enlighten me!! :highfive:

[shaberon]

Well, Hypostasis is kind of the ultimate metaphor for what is reality?

Nestorious was given the boot and kicked to the East where his school was at least accepted and allowed to live. His dangerous assertion resembled esoteric truth: that besides having a divine nature, Jesus was fully human.

All of the western churches found the idea blasphemous and formed the cult of "one and only son of god" or is god himself, which we disagree with utterly. Is it not in Matthew 14: Tell no man that I am Christ. Almost all of the early church schisms were based on trying to define his real nature, with the Roman, subsequently French, taking hold.

So on top of the Old Testament blending Elohim and Adonai into Yahweh, the New one attempts to portray this as having only one living earthly representative. There are many more details, but this is the chief obstacle.

Comparatively, the Incarnations of Vishnu give the history of the world and the development of the human fetus. Unfortunately, Jesus is not found amongst them, no matter how many think the word Christ resembles Krishna.

I added B. P. Wadia's philosophy to the Zoroastrian thread, which is worth checking out because he disposes with the harsh dualism of later Manicheanism, etc., explaining that Ahriman or the dark materialistic shadow is not a devil or Satan, etc., but simply one side of one existence. Because he actually was Zoroastrian, and agrees with esoteric philosophy, his article is fairly profound.

We would say there is a Hypostasis, just not in the French-Roman fashion. No atom exists without the presence of all seven Elohim, none of which are more important than the others. But that is the root of Fire Philosophy: One Element which changes into countless appearances, depending on how consciousness guides it. All that we say exists is matter, with the understanding that there is so to speak, "mental matter" as well as physical. Thus the only possible deity is within Nature or is Nature itself, not separate and removed from it but somehow in command of it all, which is the picture given by theology.

Matter is un-created and described as coming out of and returning to a rest condition, which may not be physical as we know it, but this is very different than "made out of nothing" as Genesis seems to suggest. So there is no Creation...it can be shaped, formed, and built, then later disassembled and put to sleep, in never-ceasing cycles that make no sense to speak of a beginning.

[Foxie Loxie]

You always give me so much to think about, shaberon!! No Beginning....just a constant recycling!

By the way...I had to look up Hypostasis! I had never really studied early Church History so all this has been most interesting! I'll check the other thread. Thanks!

[Tintin]

I absolutely love the title header, Misuse of word: [fill in the blank there].

My choice would probably have been "Of" (I'm feeling kindly mischievous right now, forgive me). That's for another thread. :smiles_and_reminds_oneself_not_to_be_too_trivial_in_future: (insert animated gif here).

But, seriously: yes, God (s) as a concept - fascinating.

I do prefer to imagine that conscious energy, or awareness/pulse, as everyone around me expressing their light and their perception of themselves in that moment, as a fragment in the mosaic, a piece in the stained glass window of "everything" (whatever that may be) and embodied in the word "God" as simply terminology, and not something to necessarily be revered.

Just hugely appreciated, in the way of a wonderful best friend that you may have lost touch with, but, when you catch up with them remember that they may well be reflecting back what you are giving, thereby adding another lovely piece of glass to that window.

And it should remind you of you :sun:

[Alanantic]

Many God centered religions like to say their God is Love...IS love. Yet, they go back and worship their "God" like an idol instead of Love itself...

[shaberon]

Many God centered religions like to say their God is Love...IS love. Yet, they go back and worship their "God" like an idol instead of Love itself...

More or less exactly the reason Guru Nanak began the Sikhs, considered the newest religion.

He was caught between Hindus and Moslems and looked into both of their religions, and found that if you were looking for the peaceful way, it was there. But instead of this inspiration, all the followers looked at it in terms of superiority and bigotry and routinely slaughtered each other for the cause of deity.

Sikhs of course are known for being just as violent and warlike against any oppressors. It's just that they are fighting for a different reason. Some faiths have a very minor record of ever killing anyone who believed differently, whereas others have a great reputation for crusades. I would say resisting a religious crusade is as just as resisting a political--economic one.

With respect to what's called Creation--which would be more accurately called Re-cycling--we only speak of the relatively local formation of our own solar system by a process which was observed by some clever westerners with their telescopes and postulated as Nebular Hypothesis. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebular_hypothesis) So this is basically what is meant by the Great Breath activating the physical plane.

That is a subsequent process from Elohim in the face of the deep like the beginning of Genesis, and it was not accurate of me to imply the spiritual Elohim are involved with physical matter, but instead the descended evolutions of their seven primordial types do so. With Genesis and most other cosmogonies, there are multiple spheres or levels, each stage of descent being called something along the lines of a War in Heaven, which shifts alliances and marriages and so forth, until this blob of nebular dust is something like the third creation. If you follow the allegory, because the scheme or order twists through every plane or mirror of descent, what appears here is a reversal of the divine. Most religions honor this reversed representation (man of form). Instead, we invert the reversal and focus on the only direct reflection of the divine, solar and formless in nature.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, shaberon! Am trying to see how The Nebular Hypothesis fits in with the new Electric Universe viewpoint! :confused:

As I always say.....each of us can "believe" anything we want to.....but what really matters is what IS!!

[shaberon]

Hmm...I never particularly questioned that. Electric Universe is mostly a dig against Relativity. One of the chief problems about Relativity is that a major part of it cannot be observed: Black holes. We can observe relativistic effects around them and use mathematical theories to support that explanation, but, pretty much by definition, they are unobservable. Nebulae instead can be observed doing their thing, giving birth to stars. At least on this point, there isn't much dispute.

The difference in the magical perspective is that the sun is not just a condensed mass of atoms that heated up, but is the body of a life form. Itself is not the source of its vital energies, but is a reflector or transmitter from its own source, the invisible central sun. The central turns out not to be the core of the galaxy as usually stated, and is only related to our sun and a few others. At that point, I pretty much let go of trying to explain galaxies, galaxy clusters, quasars, and all of the other limitless really big stuff. We tend to dismiss it and figure that trying to trace the origin and fate of everything is a road to insanity. Instead, learning the true conditions of the system we are in and where we will be for a few billions years is the attempt. At the utmost, being influenced by Zodiac and some other stars and constellations. The central is the deity we recognize as our source of life and consciousness, and if it is not so to the quasars, that's fine. To say that it exists and is invisible places it outside the realm of physical science, unlike a black hole, which is supposed to be a physical thing.

Although we may call it a deity, we would never call it god, as the term has been explained to us. It does not create the world--someone else's job. Instead, it is unconscious in our plane. It can be found within, but only by total paralysis of the man of form. This is the same "within" as saying that evolution unfolds from within, outwards. Deep within, everyone is a ray or spark of this one life, identical to it, non-dual. Unfortunately, as long as consciousness flows through the senses and immerses in created forms rather than abstract life, it remains an impenetrable mystery. The re-orientation and journey towards it is fraught with perils and hardships culminating in a journey through the Underworld. Success is only to be had by those who can enter every kind of hell and remain unaffected. The "Is" of this has no respect or concern for the beliefs of the individual.

[ichingcarpenter]

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Talk about a misuse......:cash::cash::cash:

[Alanantic]

I forget where I picked this up, but... fun experiment time. ;)

In the Hebrew language, vowels are implied. So words are written with consonants and you just assume the vowels.

So the name of God, one of them YHWH is actually two syllables.

Yh

and

Wh.

So, finish reading this post and give this a try.

When you are quiet, still, calm breathe in through your mouth gently, and notice the sound. It's yh.

Then, still quiet, still, calm breathing, breath out through you mouth and listen. It's wh.

From your first breath until your last. YhWh.

That reminds me of the movie "Stargate". In it, the translator of the Egyptian Hieroglyphics says something like, "Translation is easy once you know were the vowels go." Evidently hieroglyphics assume the vowels, too!

[O Donna]

Lest it be forgotten that (the word) 'god' is a creation.

Would 'god' cease to exist if all words/ references for 'god' be erased from every book and every memory?

If that be true then 'god' is nothing but an illusion.

[East Sun]

I always put "God" or "god" in emphasis, because of the possibility of misunderstandings.

[Alanantic]

Raised a Christian as a child, I was fascinated with the concept of God. I wanted to know what the rest of the world thought about it; which was heretical to my Christian family and friends. So, I started my search for Truth. Here's one of my favorite definitions (Brahman has been replace with the word God):

"3. God is endless above and below the universe. There is no place, or even the smallest
particle that it does not permeate.
4. God permeates all of the water, land, wood, and stone. Not a single being is without it.
5. Just as water is in and around water animals, in the same way, this pure God is in and around all living beings.
6. However, this simile with water is not entirely appropriate, because there are dry places which exist apart from water, while it is not possible that anyone can ever go outside of God.
7. If one tries to run outside of the sky, it is not possible because the sky is always found in front of us. Similarly, there is no end to the endless God.
8. But even though it is only God that we meet continuously, it is inseparable from the body, and though it is what is closest to everyone, it is also hidden.
9. One exists within it but does not know it. One imagines to have understood it, but really the Absolute Reality cannot be understood." -- Dasbodh Chapter: 7, Sub-Chapter: 4

[shaberon]

Brahman is the correct term for Absolute Reality.

It is hard to write in English, but it must never be confused with Brahma (neuter) or Brahma (male). To keep them distinguished, Brahman is often called Parabrahm or Infinite Brahman. Comparatively, Brahma is finite, limited, and temporary, the Creator. It lives for the lifespan of its cosmos or universe and returns to Parabrahm along with the rest. The Absolute cannot really be worshipped or prayed to. And it is forbidden to do so to Brahma. The creator or Brahma does have a limited role, called by the Tibetans Shanpa or "entrance to nirvana". Something that can be understood, can be done, and surpassed.

[scotslad]

@hermit, apparently depending on one's belief system there could be as many as 72 names of god and I love the point you make above in that I think the vowels were added to YAWEH over time as it may be/was considered too sacred to be spoken by mere mortals like us in its abbreviated/original/most powerful form. Then again, picking up on various comments above I agree that we mortals have given our power away to others over the centuries instead of recognising, believing in, valuing and sharing our own.

For example (another fun exercise and a KEY Question for you coming up...)

Say the words "My Body" out loud. Then say it again listening to the words are you say it.

If your "body" belongs to you and is only part of you enabling you to create and experience physical form in physical form, then....

...Who ARE you?

More importantly, who are we - as co-creators? Perhaps thats where the real deception lies by separating us and dividing us instead of uniting us and co-creating as equals what we want instead of belittling us and keeping us continually searching (and looking up) for answers.

;)

Pass. Just my 2c. Been here less than a week. Enjoying reading some fascinating posts on here. Already changing my perception/beliefs on a few things for which I thank you.

[greybeard]

What is---called God--is beyond name --concept, idea, description.
Self realization.
Tim's thread may be helpful.

Enlightenment - A direct, succinct account of what occurs...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

[Bubu]

i'd like to think that its the meaning which is abused rather than the word god. the ultimate source, the force or origin can simply be describe as such with out confusion. why do we have to use the word god and make people believe that god is the source of everything. god most probably is invented for control.

[Innocent Warrior]

Edit: Chris, I’ve just been reading tim’s thread and it occurred to me that without proper context this post will seem like a convoluted mess from that/your perspective (and the perspective of what I quoted), so I’ll briefly outline my perspective with this edit, which will also better tie in all the elements of my post anyway.

I’m coming from the perspective of learning how we (humanity) can use our minds more skilfully, so here I’m not approaching the mind/identity as an obstacle, rather a tool for physical experiences. Tom Chi is great for material on this btw.


Even bigger is the deception that we are separate from "God"
There is no where that God is not.
No "God" no life, the seeming two are one.
"God" became all that is, without diminishing itself.

I agree that the concept of God was used to install fear and obedience.

Onward Christian soldiers etc.

Ch

Agreed and I’d add that it was the creation of the devil and hell with the threat of the all-seeing, judgemental God that is responsible for so much of the shame and sense of separation from the divine.

For the materialists, an illustration of how everything is connected, no faith or mystical experiences required -

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So what in existence could possibly ever be separate from God? We’re even made up of immortal building blocks on the physical level. As above - so below, or, as within - so with out.

Taking this further, knowing is the enemy of learning (not to be confused with the noun “knowledge”) -

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We can’t learn in a state of knowing.

Since everything we perceive in our standard waking state is literally the best guess of our brain, which is drawn upon from previous experiences and the experiences of our ancestors, and we live in a world that bombards us with a fear based reality - imagine how much further we can expand our perception simply by shutting down or sidestepping the filter of our left brain (that filters what we perceive in such a limited, unoriginal fashion) with altered states (choose your own method, dreams included). We collect original knowledge from beyond what is known as the physical realm by perceiving beyond the limited construct of our left brain.

Then, keeping in mind that all is conscious and we participate in what’s manifested/collapsed, imagine the effects this has on the filter of the left brain during standard waking state, and in turn how much that expands the perspective and awareness of the collective mind, hence human civilisation.

All humanity needs to do is survive long enough without becoming hopelessly entrapped in a fear based, painfully limited perception of reality - and reality is just the collectively agreed upon illusion - for us to arrive at the place of being able to perceive the oneness of all, in our standard, waking state.

...IMHO.