Is JFK Jr Still Alive?

[Ba-ba-Ra]

My thoughts: If JFK,Jr were alive today, he would be around 58yrs old.

While we're all aware that makeup could be involved, the deep lines in V.Fusco face appear to me to be either a man older than 58, or a man who has lead a hard life, either drinking & smoking or hard physical work. Could makeup produce those deep lines? Based on movies, they could, but it means hours in makeup creating it. Would JFK, jr, go to that extent for every rally? And it's difficult to believe with his money that he has lead a hard life.

OTOH, it does seem Fusco wears a wig and the hat and glasses and unshaven look do produce a disheveled look that makes it difficult to really see his face. So, why the disguise?

But the thing that really makes me go hmm?!?! . . . . is the fact that the lady thought to be Caroline seemed to disappear, and she seemed to be the one that was much easier for us to identify. Was her identity too obvious, so she was asked not to attend rallies anymore? . . . .whereas Vincent is an enigma.

Whoever Vincent is he or Potus has decided to keep the mystery going.

[Arcturian108]

Ba-ba-Ra,
You made some good points about Caroline no longer being at these rallies, as she was too recognizable. But one big clue from her face, was the deeply tanned look she had, which also indicated appropriate aging. However, the deep tan on her otherwise very fair skin tells me that they are living in the Caribbean somewhere, like on a private island. In which case John's deeply lined face could also be related to sun weathering. Remaining questions for me are matching what is still visible with his disguise including his teeth, hands and other physical indications.

[ThePythonicCow]

My thoughts: If JFK,Jr were alive today, he would be around 58yrs old.

While we're all aware that makeup could be involved, the deep lines in V.Fusco face appear to me to be either a man older than 58, or a man who has lead a hard life, either drinking & smoking or hard physical work. Could makeup produce those deep lines? Based on movies, they could, but it means hours in makeup creating it. Would JFK, jr, go to that extent for every rally? And it's difficult to believe with his money that he has lead a hard life.
When I do a Google image search for "what does a.60 year old man look like" (close to 58 years old), I see some men with what seem to me to be similar facial lines, such as the following:

https://www.asian-voice.com/var/ezdemo_site/storage/images/asian-voice/volumes/2017/25-november-2017/robbers-batter-and-loot-%C2%A330k-gold-jewellery-from-60-year-old-man/screen-shot-2017-11-21-at-11.58.342/835691-1-eng-GB/Screen-Shot-2017-11-21-at-11.58.34.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/article-2384024-1B21286C000005DC-462_306x423.jpg

http://thepythoniccow.us/sixty_year_old_man_131230071-cropped.jpg

However I'm probably not that observant of men's faces ... so I should let others judge this.

[ThePythonicCow]

JFK Jr's father, and two uncles, Bobby and Ted, back in 1960 (when they were younger than JFK Jr is now), all had prominent "smile lines" ... perhaps smiling in public too much?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Kennedy_bros.jpg

[Ba-ba-Ra]

JFK Jr's father, and two uncles, Bobby and Ted, back in 1960 (when they were younger than JFK Jr is now), all had prominent "smile lines" ... perhaps smiling in public too much?



Point well taken, Paul. . . . .and just to say, I would love nothing better than for JFK,jr to be alive. It would wake many up in a hurry and also serve to bring many dems into the Trump camp and unite our country.

Btw, when I saw the picture posted in an earlier link (shown below) and watched the video of how he acted, my first thought was: ET - then, who was it who said when asked if it was JFK,jr -and got the answer "No, another entity" Again, referring to him as an entity.

ut, oh, I think I just borrowed Paul's tin-foil hat?!?!?!:facepalm:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39043&d=1536289998

[Debra]

JFK Jr's father, and two uncles, Bobby and Ted, back in 1960 (when they were younger than JFK Jr is now), all had prominent "smile lines" ... perhaps smiling in public too much?



Point well taken, Paul. . . . .and just to say, I would love nothing better than for JFK,jr to be alive. It would wake many up in a hurry and also serve to bring many dems into the Trump camp and unite our country.

Btw, when I saw the picture posted in an earlier link (shown below) and watched the video of how he acted, my first thought was: ET - then, who was it who said when asked if it was JFK,jr -and got the answer "No, another entity" Again, referring to him as an entity.

ut, oh, I think I just borrowed Paul's tin-foil hat?!?!?!:facepalm:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39043&d=1536289998

First thought I had too .. he reminded me so much of that security guard when Obama did an address in Israel.

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[ThePythonicCow]

ut, oh, I think I just borrowed Paul's tin-foil hat?!?!?!:facepalm:
It's a big hat, Ba-ba-Ra ... plenty of room for me to share with others :).

[Arcturian108]

The ears on the bald security guy from Trump's inauguration, look pretty similar to the ears of JFK Jr. on the Time Magazine cover. In fact, I would say they are a match.

[Chanie]

This video clip by Jennifer Mac features a moment at the Erie, PA rally where President Trump says, “We have a magic wand;” then, he turns and appears to wave up in the direction of Vincent Fusca.

The early part of this short video connects this phrase with an earlier Trump tweet, but if you haven’t got time to watch it, you can skip ahead to 5:20 to hear him say it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oaw1l8BCzlY

[ThePythonicCow]

This video clip by Jennifer Mac features a moment at the Erie, PA rally where President Trump says, “We have a magic wand;” then, he turns and appears to wave up in the direction of Vincent Fusca.
Nice ... :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's a nice little video clip, comparing the facial profiles of Vincent Fusca and JFK Jr -- they are very similar:
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Credit goes to some anon on 8 chan for finding it: https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3539742.html#3540056

[ThePythonicCow]

There is a good summary of some of the evidence, including some details that are new to me, in this (large) image that was just uploaded to imgur a couple of hours ago: JFK Jr Is Still Alive! (imgur.com) (https://imgur.com/a/CsLiyGc)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

There is a good summary of some of the evidence, including some details that are new to me, in this (large) image that was just uploaded to imgur a couple of hours ago: JFK Jr Is Still Alive! (imgur.com) (https://imgur.com/a/CsLiyGc)


Very interesting. Does anyone know where and when this picture was taken? The one of the soldiers in Q shaped formation. I'm hoping this is real (not photoshopped or actors). If it is real, wouldn't the soldiers in the pix be aware that JFK,JR is alive? Or at least the ones close to him.

Let's assume he is alive. Do you think he will come forward at some time, or stay behind the curtains?

Of course, my hope is he is alive AND, if he came forward, I can see it at as the one thing that would bring our country together. (The dems cherished Prince on Trumps team. What could be more of a wakeup call than that!)

But why wait - wouldn't this be a good time to come forward? Perhaps doing it slowly . . .as they seem to be . . would be less shocking to some (why else put this picture out and him going to rally's).

Fingers crossed that it's true and will happen.

[Arcturian108]

I don't feel it is safe for JFK. Jr. to come out of hiding yet if he is still alive. it is still not clear whether Trump will vanquish the Deep State and all the players who had a role in the assassination of President Kennedy. If Trump can show strength on November 6th, and make it to run for a second term, that would be the most appropriate time to come forward. Trump needs to consolidate his control over the destiny of this country first.

[Chanie]

There is a good summary of some of the evidence, including some details that are new to me, in this (large) image that was just uploaded to imgur a couple of hours ago: JFK Jr Is Still Alive! (imgur.com) (https://imgur.com/a/CsLiyGc)


Very interesting. Does anyone know where and when this picture was taken? The one of the soldiers in Q shaped formation. I'm hoping this is real (not photoshopped or actors). If it is real, wouldn't the soldiers in the pix be aware that JFK,JR is alive? Or at least the ones close to him.

Let's assume he is alive. Do you think he will come forward at some time, or stay behind the curtains?

Of course, my hope is he is alive AND, if he came forward, I can see it at as the one thing that would bring our country together. (The dems cherished Prince on Trumps team. What could be more of a wakeup call than that!)

But why wait - wouldn't this be a good time to come forward? Perhaps doing it slowly . . .as they seem to be . . would be less shocking to some (why else put this picture out and him going to rally's).

Fingers crossed that it's true and will happen.

At the top of the photo, it says that it is at the Headquarters 1st Theater Sustainment Command U.S. Army Central which I believe is in Fort Knox, Kentucky.
See:https://mobile.twitter.com/usarmycentral/status/1056984765507792899

Some people have suggested that JFK Jr. is going to make his appearance on 11/22—the 55th anniversary of his father’s death and also Thanksgiving. By coincidence, the Washington Redskins play against the Dallas Cowboys in Dallas that afternoon. I’m inclined to agree that if JFK Jr. is alive, he would likely choose a significant moment like that to make his re-appearance.

[Chanie]

Here are a couple of Vincent Fusca photos that I hadn’t seen before.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/dean_savva/status/1054666457047539717

Also, there has been a suggestion that the person tweeting @bigredwavenow is actually JFK Jr.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/bigredwavenow

[Chanie]

Apparently, the house where Jackie Bouvier met John Kennedy is up for sale. The address is 3419 Q Street in Washington, D.C. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/DIXIEDOODLE12/status/1058251637561511936

[Chanie]

Another interesting point is that the “Q Clock” ends on November 22, 2018.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/Silverin2018/status/1057978783557283840

Apparently, Trump tweeted about a search and rescue mission for a Navy plane at sea on November 22, 2017. On that date, Trump also tweeted that the stock market was up by 5.5 trillion dollars. November 22, 2018 is the 55th anniversary of the assassination of JFK.

I did a quick search and looked at these tweets here: http://didtrumptweetit.com/2017/11/22/. The search and rescue tweet mentions that the search was for three people.

Keeping all this in mind, I think November 22, 2018 is a reasonable guess as to when JFK Jr. might make his grand return, assuming he is alive. And for now, I prefer to believe that he is still alive.

[Chanie]

This is an interesting little two minute video clip that was posted by @bigredwave now. Keep in mind that there has been speculation that the person operating this Twitter account is JFK Jr.


https://mobile.twitter.com/bigredwavenow/status/1058904533030526976/video/1

[mountain_jim]

That link did not take me to the video - just the account and I can't figure out which object there this is referring to. (not a twitter member)

[Chanie]

That link did not take me to the video - just the account and I can't figure out which object there this is referring to. (not a twitter member)

I was unable to embed the video and had to post the link to the Twitter page instead. You don’t have to be a Twitter member to view it. I’m not a member. Just click on the white arrow in the blue circle and it will start running. It’s the video that was posted @ 10:11 p.m. on November 3rd. It’s 2:17 minutes long. Hope that helps.


https://mobile.twitter.com/bigredwavenow/status/1058904533030526976/video/1

[mountain_jim]

Thanks Chanie. The folks posting in that feed certainly believe it's Jr, and the unveiling is near.

[Chanie]

Thanks Chanie. The folks posting in that feed certainly believe it's Jr, and the unveiling is near.

I waver back and forth and would certainly like to believe that it’s true. My feeling is that the curtain has to be pulled back—there has to be some kind of tangible action—in November with the JFK Jr. story and also with Q. There is a limit to how long you can string people along with tantalizing hints and clues. I know I’m quite prepared to move on if they don’t step up to the plate soon.

[Chanie]

A bit of a squabble broke out between Joe M and Kelli Ann on Twitter. As you may recall, many people thought Joe M was JFK Jr. He claims this isn’t true, but does seem to have some kind of insider knowledge. Kelli Ann is one of the people investigating the JFK Jr. rumour. Joe M posted a tweet saying, “There is no R.” Kelli Ann read this and was upset because it has been her stance that R is JFK Jr. She tweeted a response and I believe she has now been blocked by Joe M on Twitter.

I think this picture of Caroline Kennedy (JFK Jr’s sister) and her family is interesting. As you can see, it shows the women of the family holding up various fingers—eighteen of them in total. According to the JFK Jr. researchers, 18=R=JFK Jr. I wonder why they are posing like this? Have they heard the rumours and decided to have a bit of fun with it or does it hint at a deeper meaning? As you can see, it has also been pointed out that one set of hands has all ten fingers up. 5:5 has also been linked to JFK Jr. plus November 22nd is the 55th anniversary of his father’s assassination.

See: https://mobile.twitter.com/DIXIEDOODLE12/status/1058802942504001536

[ThePythonicCow]

Is this another Vincent Fusca sighting, the man in the red hat, at Trump's last rally today?

The first thought that came to my mind, when I noticed him, was that it might be Fusca (aka JFK Jr). The man was avoiding reacting to Trump when Trump entered, and was fidgeting with his red hat, to be sure it stayed down well to just above his eyes.

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3754658.html#3754798

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Good morning fellow anons.

[Arcturian108]

Folks,
I don't know if this detail has already been posted elsewhere on this thread, but somehow I missed the information that begins at 6:12 of the following video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViC70Owd548
No wonder the whole meme began about JFK Jr. being alive and faking his own death. I had no idea that "R" was this direct.

[Elpis]

I thought the same thing as soon as I saw him.

[Chanie]

I am still thinking about the older gentleman who sat beside Vincent Fusca at a PA rally. I wrote about him here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1253561&viewfull=1#post1253561

As I mentioned in that post, he was also appeared at the PA rally that all the (presumed) family members attended. At the time, I assumed he was possibly a Freeman relative. He doesn’t look like Carolyn’s step-father, but he has one brother in the 85-88 year range who, I believe, is still alive. However, I don’t know what he looks like and now I’m thinking he might not be a relative.

Some people have speculated that the man in the blue suit is actually Julian Assange in disguise. I guess that’s possible, but to my mind, it’s not likely.

I’m wondering if this man was someone who a) tipped JFK Jr. off about a possible threat on his life and/or b) helped with the logistics of getting the three of them to safety—the whole plane crash scenario? He would have been about 65 years old at the time.

Does anyone recognize the burgundy cap that he’s wearing? I’m assuming it’s a military cap of some kind?

It’s interesting because it looks like this gentleman makes a third cameo appearance in a little video that @bigredwave posted on November 4th here: https://mobile.twitter.com/bigredwavenow/status/1059277945468899328

NOTE: I can’t embed the video so this link will take you to the Twitter page. Click on the arrow in the blue circle to watch it. The man in a burgundy cap appears in the inset photo at the 0:46 mark. The inset photos also features the Secret Service guard who was said to be JFK Jr. in disguise.

If @bigredwave is JFK Jr. as has been suggested, it would give weight to the idea that this older gentleman in the burgundy cap has played some significant role in his life.

On a side note, I did a search on the number 655 because @bigredwave wrote, “655th Tweet!” I think originally, he wrote, “How’s this for my 655th Tweet?” and then, edited it.

Anyway, I thought this was interesting: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a5p2.htm

Apparently, in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in the Profession of Faith, 655 refers to a verse pertaining to the Resurrection of Christ and how he lives in the hearts of the faithful. To quote part of the verse, “Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.” I’m thinking a good Catholic boy like John might have known that?

[Chanie]

To expand on the 655 thought and the quote “Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep” posted above, I did a quick search of Q drops that refer to the word “asleep.”

See: https://www.qanonposts.io/?s=Asleep

As you can see in the above link, Q has made statements such as:

“Those awake see. Those asleep blind.”
“They want you asleep. They want you blind.”
“FAKE NEWS readers (asleep...)”
“What is a spell? Who is asleep?”

Well, you get the idea. The concept of people being asleep and the Catholic idea of a man coming back from the dead as mentioned in Verse 655 of the Catechism ties in nicely with the theme of @bigredwave’s 655th Tweet about a possible JFK Jr reunion and also with Q’s references to people being asleep. Could it all be a coincidence? What are the odds?

[Arcturian108]

Chanie,
I believe the cap you see on the older gentleman indicates he is a Veteran of Foreign Wars.

[Chanie]

Chanie,
I believe the cap you see on the older gentleman indicates he is a Veteran of Foreign Wars.

That would make sense. I wonder if we’ll see footage of him on November 11th?

[Chanie]

This evening, Trump’s plane made a pre-planned diversion around Boston and flew over the exact location where JFK Jr’s plane went down.

See: https://mobile.twitter.com/777KAB1/status/1061806085265375232

[ThePythonicCow]

Some anon posted this screen shot of a twitter post on https://8ch.net/qresearch/res a few hours ago. I have been unable to track down even the actual, original, twitter post that this screen shot came from, much less any more original research supporting these claims that JFK Jr had a lower lip scar, or that Vincent Fusca shows a similar scar in other images.

But ... as they say in this conspiracy business ... it looks interesting.

http://thepythoniccow.us/JRK_Jr_lower_lip_scar_Vincent_Fusca.png

[Valle]

A small titbit..
Trump using Kennedy desk and he offers Chris Wallace (~31 min) a picture of the desk with jfk jr..
https://youtu.be/lIWjDJ1-rXw?t=1858
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[ThePythonicCow]

A small titbit..
Trumps using Kennedy desk and he offers Chris Wallace (~31 min) a picture of the desk with jfk jr..
Awesome - thanks for posting this!

[Valerie Villars]

I got a weird feeling when I read that about JFK, Jr.'s scar. I have the same scar, a little to the left, where my bottom teeth went through my skin in a car accident.

There were some very strange synchronicities involving JFK when I went through my awakening.

I know it's an aside, but......this is certainly a strange world.

[Antagenet]

There is more info being revealed which points to JFK Jr being alive. YAY!!

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https://twitter.com/bigredwavenow

https://twitter.com/BusyElves

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU2ROr_DEcRsN_jHuWwf3Yg/videos
She has 29 videos on JFK Jr clues. I find her hard to listen to but she is getting a lot of views.

[Chanie]

I haven’t been posting every reported sighting of Vincent Fusca/JFK Jr. There was no big reveal on November 22nd. Then, Q replied, “No” in response to the question of whether JFK Jr. was alive.

However, I find Dixie Doodle’s thread about Larry King’s interview with Donald Trump to be interesting.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/DIXIEDOODLE12/status/1074214498767134720


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEVzCtcT-Mo
Around the 37 minute mark of the interview, King reads a letter written to Trump by JFK Jr. It is in regard to his father’s death in June, 1999.

King stumbles over the date on the letter and finally says, “July 19th.”

JFK Jr. went missing on July 16th.

In the letter, JFK Jr. writes that he read about Trump’s father’s death “ in the New York Times on the weekend.”

This obituary was published on June 26th.
See: https://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/26/nyregion/fred-c-trump-postwar-master-builder-of-housing-for-middle-class-dies-at-93.html

It raises some interesting questions.

Why did JFK Jr. say that he read the obituary on the weekend when the obituary was published weeks earlier?

Did he really wait a month to send his condolences?

Did he write the letter in June and forget to send it?

Did he write the wrong date on the letter?

Did King misread the date that was written?

Or, as some are suggesting, is this a sign that JFK Jr. is alive and that Trump was in on it from the beginning?

[ThePythonicCow]

A financial newsletter to which I subscribe, from a reasonably well connected, sharp minded, independent thinking analyst (which I won't name here) reports in his latest newsletter that he is in extended discussions with someone who is in long standing connections with JFK Jr and those around him. Some of the same patriots who backed Trump's Presidential campaign also learned, back in 1999, of a plot to assassinate JFK Jr, both because JFK Jr was about to publish, in his magazine "George", more details of George H.W. Bush's involvement in the assassination of President JFK in Dallas, back in 1963, and because JFK Jr would have impeded Hillary's upcoming run for the Senate seat from New York in 2000. These patriots orchestrated a faked death of JFK Jr in a plane crash instead, and JFK Jr remains quite active behind the scenes. The author of the newsletter to which I subscribe figures that there is at least an 80% chance that JFK Jr is alive and well, and may well be planning a rather dramatic return to the public stage.

[Satori]

So, Paul, what do you make of Q's answer to the recent question put directly to him on chan8 I believe: "Is JFK, Jr. alive?" He answered "No." Is Q wrong, or covering to protect JFK, Jr? Or something else?

[Chanie]

A financial newsletter to which I subscribe, from a reasonably well connected, sharp minded, independent thinking analyst (which I won't name here) reports in his latest newsletter that he is in extended discussions with someone who is in long standing connections with JFK Jr and those around him. Some of the same patriots who backed Trump's Presidential campaign also learned, back in 1999, of a plot to assassinate JFK Jr, both because JFK Jr was about to publish, in his magazine "George", more details of George H.W. Bush's involvement in the assassination of President JFK in Dallas, back in 1963, and because JFK Jr would have impeded Hillary's upcoming run for the Senate seat from New York in 2000. These patriots orchestrated a faked death of JFK Jr in a plane crash instead, and JFK Jr remains quite active behind the scenes. The author of the newsletter to which I subscribe figures that there is at least an 80% chance that JFK Jr is alive and well, and may well be planning a rather dramatic return to the public stage.

My gut says he’s still alive. I wouldn’t be wasting time on this thread if I didn’t think it was possible.

Satori, check out this little video clip posted by @bigredwavenow. I am unable to embed the clip here, but you can view it on his Twitter thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bigredwavenow/status/1075970431352430592

When the mouse arrow hovers over JFK, the words John Fitzgerald Kennedy and John Francis Kelly pop up NOT JFK Jr. Is John Fitzgerald Kennedy still alive? Q answers, “No.”

Also, if there is some grand reveal planned, my guess is that Q isn’t going to ruin that by saying,“Yes.” If what Paul writes is true, I presume the reveal wouldn’t take place until the “bad guys” are locked up. Disinformation is necessary?

Again, it’s all speculation, but like I said, my gut continues to tell me that JFK Jr. and his wife Carolyn are still very much alive.

[ThePythonicCow]

Satori, check out this little video clip posted by @bigredwavenow. I am unable to embed the clip here, but you can view it on his Twitter thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bigredwavenow/status/1075970431352430592

When the mouse arrow hovers over JFK, the words John Fitzgerald Kennedy and John Francis Kelly pop up NOT JFK Jr. Is John Fitzgerald Kennedy still alive? Q answers, “No.”
The mouse-over decodes of initials and acronyms, that one sees on qmap.pub (such as your video shows), are not something Q does.

Those decodes are extra-added value by the people doing qmap.pub.

So what shows up on these decodes means little, in and of itself.

The original question "Is JFK Jr alive?" is here (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280260), and Q's reply is here (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280455), both on the 8 chan qresearch channel. There are no mouse-over decodes on those, or any other such, initials or acronyms, on that or other such 8 chan channels.

Sorry :).

[Chanie]

Satori, check out this little video clip posted by @bigredwavenow. I am unable to embed the clip here, but you can view it on his Twitter thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bigredwavenow/status/1075970431352430592

When the mouse arrow hovers over JFK, the words John Fitzgerald Kennedy and John Francis Kelly pop up NOT JFK Jr. Is John Fitzgerald Kennedy still alive? Q answers, “No.”
The mouse-over decodes of initials and acronyms, that one sees on qmap.pub (such as your video shows), are not something Q does.

Those decodes are extra-added value by the people doing qmap.pub.

So what shows up on these decodes means little, in and of itself.

The original question "Is JFK Jr alive?" is here (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280260), and Q's reply is here (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/4279775.html#4280455), both on the 8 chan qresearch channel. There are no mouse-over decodes on those, or any other such, initials or acronyms, on that or other such 8 chan channels.

Sorry :).

Thanks for showing me that, Paul. The JFK isn’t underlined in the original question so Q’s “No” was in response to JFK Jr. Was the answer disinformation? I’m assuming it is. I do think he’s alive. Any hesitation to admit this on my part has been a reluctance to look foolish if I’m wrong.

[Arcturian108]

To me the most telling reason that he may be alive is the appearance of his wife at the Trump rallies. She looked exactly as she did 20 years ago, just older. Her smile and ears are so unique that I was gobsmacked by her presence at the rallies and note that she no longer appears with Fusca at such.

[Chanie]

To me the most telling reason that he may be alive is the appearance of his wife at the Trump rallies. She looked exactly as she did 20 years ago, just older. Her smile and ears are so unique that I was gobsmacked by her presence at the rallies and note that she no longer appears with Fusca at such.
And how about this photo of a young Carolyn Bessette and the young woman from the Moon Township, PA rally who is believed to be her daughter? The resemblance between the two is uncanny.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/MrsMogul/status/1061744123420594176

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks for showing me that, Paul. The JFK isn’t underlined in the original question so Q’s “No” was in response to JFK Jr. Was the answer disinformation? I’m assuming it is. I do think he’s alive. Any hesitation to admit this on my part has been a reluctance to look foolish if I’m wrong.
I presume that JFK Jr is alive, that Q knows it, and that Q was "disinforming" us, yes.

Live long enough, and be wrong enough different and amusing ways, and any such reluctance turns to amusement, as one chuckles at whatever one has gotten wrong this time :).

[ThePythonicCow]

So, Paul, what do you make of Q's answer to the recent question put directly to him on chan8 I believe: "Is JFK, Jr. alive?" He answered "No." Is Q wrong, or covering to protect JFK, Jr? Or something else?
My guess is that Q was "disinforming" us, deliberately.

Notice that if someone had asked "Is Elvis alive?", Q would probably ignored the question, is being unrelated nonsense.

But the question about JFK Jr was quite relevant. However, until JFK Jr is ready to announce that he is still alive and well, there is no answer that Q could give to such a question other than to say that "No", JFK Jr is not alive.

===

P.S. -- Or if Q had answered such a question about Elvis (Presley), the truthful answer would have been more along the lines of "hell if I know." Q did NOT invoke any such disclaimer regarding the status of JFK Jr. In other words, Q's response means to me that Q does unhesitatingly and unabashedly know the status of JFK Jr, but cannot discuss the matter with us at this time.

[BMJ]

Interesting piece of information I found the other day. What is the meaning of Vincent Fusca, quote:

"'vinco', to conquer, vanquish, overcome, defeat, subdue, to win.

'fusco', to blacken, darken
'fuscus', dark, darkness

If one were to give up one's identity for a noble cause what better name to choose than 'Conqueror of Darkness!' "

Link: https://operationdisclosure.blogspot.com/2018/10/reader-hidden-meaning-behind-name-of.html

Link: https://glosbe.com/la/en/vincō

Link: https://glosbe.com/la/en/fusco

[Chanie]

P.S. -- Or if Q had answered such a question about Elvis (Presley), the truthful answer would have been more along the lines of "hell if I know." Q did NOT invoke any such disclaimer regarding the status of JFK Jr. In other words, Q's response means to me that Q does unhesitatingly and unabashedly know the status of JFK Jr, but cannot discuss the matter with us at this time.
I love this paragraph! 😊

I think when people dismiss the idea that JFK Jr. might be alive, they lump it in with all the Elvis sightings and assume it’s just another wild idea that is not to be taken seriously, but if it’s true and he makes his grand appearance, it will be a game changer, at least in terms of Trump and this whole Q thing.

[Chanie]

This is a reminder that ABC is airing a two hour documentary on JFK Jr.’s final days tonight. Joe M.@StormIsUponUs makes a good point when he states that the Mainstream Media was “compelled” to address his death because a huge grassroots movement was questioning whether he might still be alive.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1080678875246428160

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Many things to consider, pro & con.

Are there more than one Vincent Fusca's (why are pixs of him showing a much shorter man than JFK,jr)
Fusca's license plate: meaningful?
Is the voice on Field Marshall's youtube who is identified as mad dog JFK,Jr. Why does FM refer to him as John John?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UclDY_EFCXQ

[Chanie]

Many things to consider, pro & con.

Are there more than one Vincent Fusca's (why are pixs of him showing a much shorter man than JFK,jr)
Fusca's license plate: meaningful?
Is the voice on Field Marshall's youtube who is identified as mad dog JFK,Jr. Why does FM refer to him as John John?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UclDY_EFCXQ

I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about Vincent Fusca. It’s my assumption that JFK Jr. has been walking around in a variety of disguises for some time now. My feeling is that he and the people around him wanted the word about his being alive to leak out so he has been making a more obvious point of it in recent months—hiding in plain sight.

I didn’t post this sighting when it happened back in October at a John James rally in Pontiac, Michigan. There were other celebrities includng Donald Trump Jr. at this rally. I didn’t think too much of it at the time, but then, remembered that Carolyn’s sister Lisa lives in Ann Arbor, Michigan which is less than an hour’s drive from Pontiac. Perhaps it was an opportunity for Carolyn to see her?

Lisa appears to be single now, but was married to a guy named Michael Roman. You may recall that a man named Michael Roman worked for President Trump before quitting last spring in order to spend more time with his family in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. My impression is that this is a second marriage for his wife so perhaps it is for him too?

It’s interesting that Pennsylvania is Vincent Fusca territory. Also, Trump’s Michael Roman worked in New York City and may have connections to Florida where JFK Jr. was rumoured to live at one point.

Trump’s Roman resembles the Michael Roman in a 1990’s photo of Carolyn and her sister Lisa. I’m assuming the man in the photo is her husband. I think I’ve posted this photo elsewhere in this thread. I’ve tried to gauge the height of the two Michael Romans, but it’s hard to tell.

Lisa has an adult son who doesn’t look anything like the Michael Romans I’ve mentioned. He looks more like Carolyn and her mother’s Messina side of the family.

There isn’t much information on Trump’s Roman, but my hunch is that he might be JFK Jr.’s former brother-in-law. It seems coincidental that he quit his research job around the time that the JFK Jr. rumour began. I’ve also wondered whether he had a hand in the early Q research.

Aside from sheer gut instinct, I don’t know if there is any one thing that has made me believe that JFK Jr. is alive, but certainly the photos of the Carolyn person and her children are pretty convincing.

Just for the record, unlike many who are saying they have three children, I think they have four: a son, a daughter, a son (all teenagers in that order) and a younger daughter who is under the age of ten—she has dark hair and is around the age of 8 or 9. They kept her farther up in the stands and close to her father’s side at the PA rally. It would be easy to miss her if you weren’t watching closely.

For more information on the sighting at the Michigan rally...
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/777KAB1/status/1066060858428702725
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/777KAB1/status/1066080431710326789

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Chanie, for me, the most important thing mentioned in the video I posted above was: around 10:00 mark, someone called mad dog calls into the Able Danger show and the host first says: "It's John John" and then corrects to mad dog . . . and many believe mad dog sounds like JFK,Jr.

And as most know, John John was JFK,jr's boyhood nickname.

[Chanie]

Yes, Ba-ba-Ra, I heard that on the video, but didn’t know what to make of it. It’s an odd little moment, isn’t it?

[ThePythonicCow]

Why does FM refer to him as John John?
"John John" was nickname for JFK Jr, when he was a child.

Even the Wikipedia page for JFK Jr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Jr.) acknowledges this:

John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr. (November 25, 1960 – July 16, 1999), often referred to as JFK Jr. or John John, was an American lawyer, journalist, and magazine publisher. He was a son of President John F. Kennedy and First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy, and a younger brother of former Ambassador to Japan Caroline Kennedy. His father was assassinated three days before his third birthday.

===

P.S. -- Oops - Note to self: read what others have posted before responding :).

[Chanie]

There is a lot of chatter tonight about President Trump’s speech at a Farmers’ convention. During his talk, Trump talked about his “friend” John Kennedy—the Louisiana Senator who was in the audience. People are reading a double meaning into his words. For instance, at the 4:15 mark, he referred to Kennedy as “A brilliant guy, he’s very deceiving.” At 42:23, Trump also made the comment, “We didn’t get killed, did we John?”

Earlier today, someone posted a photo taken during a Simpsons’ episode which features a JFK Still Alive sign.

See: https://mobile.twitter.com/DIXIEDOODLE12/status/1084942976651051008
See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XjeqnIJwNGg
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelDelauzon/status/1084688881247674368

[crosby]

So, Paul, what do you make of Q's answer to the recent question put directly to him on chan8 I believe: "Is JFK, Jr. alive?" He answered "No." Is Q wrong, or covering to protect JFK, Jr? Or something else?
My guess is that Q was "disinforming" us, deliberately.

Notice that if someone had asked "Is Elvis alive?", Q would probably ignored the question, is being unrelated nonsense.

But the question about JFK Jr was quite relevant. However, until JFK Jr is ready to announce that he is still alive and well, there is no answer that Q could give to such a question other than to say that "No", JFK Jr is not alive.

===

P.S. -- Or if Q had answered such a question about Elvis (Presley), the truthful answer would have been more along the lines of "hell if I know." Q did NOT invoke any such disclaimer regarding the status of JFK Jr. In other words, Q's response means to me that Q does unhesitatingly and unabashedly know the status of JFK Jr, but cannot discuss the matter with us at this time.

I totally agree Paul. How many times has 'Q' told us that misinformation is necessary? Many, many times. Also, 'Q' has stated several times that all of the coincidences that we see are mathematically impossible.......
warmest,
crosby

[Ba-ba-Ra]

i Don't think this was posted.

Trump talking about John Kennedy. Is he referring to Senator John Kennedy in audience? . . but then why does he use past tense when referring to him. He said 'he's very deceiving . . and this was a man who was very brilliant. Also makes reference to the other John Kennedy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDWVTRXDL94

[Chanie]

There is speculation on Twitter that the latest Q drop might be a reference to JFK Jr. being alive and about to make his public return.

[ThePythonicCow]

There is speculation on Twitter that the latest Q drop might be a reference to JFK Jr. being alive and about to make his public return.

Dang - that's one of those thoughts that are hard to get out one's mind, once suggested :).

[onawah]

I sure wish that RFK Jr. was getting as much attention!
He's unquestionably still very much alive and doing wonderful work in defense of the world's children, who are in harm's way from vaccines.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/

[mountain_jim]

When I read it, I just assumed that was referring to Q's return to posting publicly, seems a stretch to connect it to JFK Jr, unless he is also part of the Q collective.....

[Ba-ba-Ra]

When I read it, I just assumed that was referring to Q's return to posting publicly, seems a stretch to connect it to JFK Jr, unless he is also part of the Q collective.....


If he is alive (and I'm leaning in that direction), I most definitely believe he would be part of Q

[BMJ]

When I read it, I just assumed that was referring to Q's return to posting publicly, seems a stretch to connect it to JFK Jr, unless he is also part of the Q collective.....

It might seem a stretch but I have doozy for you, how about a theory I having been toying with.

That is JFK Jnr faked his own death to safeguard his own life and that of his wife and sister in law, and for the past 20 years up until the 2016 election had been working quietly with POTUS Trump, whom he was/is good friends with, and other powerful good guys such as in the military on a plan to eliminate the evil aspect of the illuminati from world power and influence.

[Clarity]

I'm assuming faking your own death is classed as a criminal act, how serious of an offense is it? Straight to jail?

To get out of that you would need to have proof of a plot to kill you by powerful people for political gains.

[Chanie]

There was some speculation that this gentleman in the dark hat at the El Paso rally might have been JFK Jr. At a glance, he does appear to be a slender man wearing a suit that’s too big for him. President Trump tweeted a clip from the rally. When you click on it, it starts at the 33:15 mark just as Trump is walking past the man.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1095168756374921227

On another note, I look at a lot of sites to get a sense of what’s going on. In no way is this original research on my part nor do I trust or believe everything I read, but occasionally, something will catch my eye and I will pay more attention until I can get a better idea of how legitimate the source is.

One Twitter guy that I’m keeping an eye on is someone using the name Vincent Kennedy. So far, he appears to have had several Twitter addresses.

The latest is: https://mobile.twitter.com/VincentCrypt46. Sometimes, he tweets in Morse Code.

I read one online item that suggested his address “pinged” off a secure room in Washington, D.C. I’m not sure if this is true, but it’s interesting.

I also found his recent Tweets on February 10th interesting. He states that he’s not Vincent Fusca; avoids answering the question as to whether he’s JFK Jr.; states that JFK Jr./VK did not write the original R post on the Chan (and that it surprised him/them) but that it was 90% accurate; that JFK Jr. wasn’t exposed to the Plan until 1999, but is involved in the past, present and future parts of it etc.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/VincentCrypt46/status/1094482703909613568

A couple of days ago, I got the sense from his Tweets that something was about to happen. I don’t have a clue who he is or whether he is legitimate, but at the moment, I suspect that he has some kind of inside knowledge of what’s going on.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Could be. . .. who goes to a rally dressed like that and then pulls their hat forward to shade their eyes?

IMO . . . it's only someone who doesn't want to be recognized - and yet, wants to stand out from the crowd.

[Chanie]

Vincent Kennedy just posted this cryptic video about JFK Jr. and his cousin Anthony.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/VincentCrypt46/status/1101985643142529024

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZQIrTQAxz4
It suggests that Anthony is also alive rather than having died of cancer as was reported. One Twitter follower raised an interesting question in response to this: Is Anthony Joe M @StormIsUponUs?

[Chanie]

Today’s Q’s post saying “Time to reveal our insurance policy?” reminds me of President Trump’s speech where he says, “We have our magic wand.”

Could JfK Jr. be his insurance policy?

I remember reading somewhere that the word “BIG” was associated with JFK Jr.

On February 26, we were told that within 21 days that BIG BIG BIG HAPPENINGS are going to take place.

Could this be building up towards the “BIG” reveal?

[Chanie]

This video features a man who looks like an older version of JFK Jr. @777KAB1 re-tweeted it today. See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yst9h2RgW1U

Someone posted a link to the original source so I looked at this video too. He makes his appearance around the 2:19 mark. See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OpEMi0l2P6Y

There is definitely a resemblance, but what caught my eye was a fellow in his group around the 3:32 mark. See: bottom right corner of the video screenshot.

He looks like a guy whom I believe to be Carolyn’s brother-in-law. I think he might be married to one of her Freeman step-sisters. See: attached photo.

The screenshot of the man in the video isn’t clear enough for me to be 100% sure, but I do see a resemblance.

JFK Jr. needs to make his comeback soon because I am running out of storage space for photos! 🙂

[crosby]

RedPill78 video regarding FBI informant information:

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If this information is correct, I do not have any problems connecting this thread with a true possibility. The information contained herein is VERY interesting. It connects many dots for me and by extension pulls more plausible thoughts together. I highly recommend.

crosby

[Chanie]

Thanks, Crosby. I’ll take a look at it when I get time. It’s hard to keep up with everything right now!

[Chanie]

Here’s a recent article relating to the possibilty of JFK Jr.’s return which speculates that he is a symbolic Count of Monte Cristo who embodies on an individual scale what the military has done on a massive global scale: https://huios2030.com/blog/2018/10/25/jfk-jrs-return-the-count-of-monte-cristo-and-the-renewal-of-america-a-true-story-of-waiting-and-hoping

[ThePythonicCow]

Here’s a recent article relating to the possibilty of JFK Jr.’s return which speculates that he is a symbolic Count of Monte Cristo who embodies on an individual scale what the military has done on a massive global scale: https://huios2030.com/blog/2018/10/25/jfk-jrs-return-the-count-of-monte-cristo-and-the-renewal-of-america-a-true-story-of-waiting-and-hoping

An inspiring and hopeful article - thanks for linking us to it.

[Chanie]

Vincent Kennedy just posted this song on his Twitter page. It has some interesting lyrics near the end. See attachment below the video. https://mobile.twitter.com/VincentCrypt46/status/1109922603974754304

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TGkqjQfZyU

[Chanie]

KelliAnn @777KAB1 posted these side-by-side photos. See:https://mobile.twitter.com/777KAB1/status/1109966027855675393

On the left is the photo that James Comey tweeted about geologic time offering useful perspective. Some think the photo on the right is JFK Jr.

NOTE: I’m not sure where the photo on the right came from. It drives me nuts when people don’t cite their sources or give dates etc.

The question is who is imitating who? One reader suggests Comey is mirroring JFK Jr.

Comey’s tweet is seen by most as some kind of threat.

We also have Q’s advice about watching the water.

[Chanie]

Be on the lookout for JFK Jr. at the Trump Rally in Michigan tomorrow night. As far as I know, he still has a sister-in-law who lives there. He may make an appearance. 😊

See: https://mobile.twitter.com/45_Schedule

[Chanie]

I find it interesting that the videos in postings #318 and #320 of this thread are no longer available and/or have been removed by someone. They didn’t stay up very long once people started talking about them.

In #320, the second link to the same video still works so I took the precaution of taking some screenshots. I will attach one here. The man is believed to be JFK Jr. I’m inclined to agree, especially since a man resembling his brother-in-law also appears in the video although if the video disppears completely, you’ll have to take my word for that. 🙂

[crosby]

Here is a very good video from T.R.U. Reporting. In it at approximately the 5min., 31 second mark, there is a picture that I believe is from AF1 and in it, you will notice a man sitting across from President Trump smiling - - if you look to his direct right, you will see a man who seems to be looking at his phone (maybe?) but most of his face is hidden..... Thomas points out that it may be JFK, Jr.

Have a look, I think it could be but there just isn't enough showing for a conclusive statement.

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crosby

[crosby]

Here is a good upload on George!!!!!!!

I just found this gentleman.

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Coincidence?

crosby

[ThePythonicCow]

Dang -- check out crosby's post over here, starting at the 2:51 mark: The Qanon posts -- Post #9979 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1296044&viewfull=1#post1296044).

He reads a post from 4chan or 8chan (I can't tell which) suggesting that JFK Jr will go public in the 4th of July ceremony at Mt Rushmore.

Obviously an anonymous 4 or 8 chan post carries zero weight as a legal or scientific proof ... but it does get my old juices flowing.

[crosby]

Hi Paul, I was just getting ready to post that video here:

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crosby

[crosby]

Dang -- check out crosby's post over here, starting at the 2:51 mark: The Qanon posts -- Post #9979 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1296044&viewfull=1#post1296044).

He reads a post from 4chan or 8chan (I can't tell which) suggesting that JFK Jr will go public in the 4th of July ceremony at Mt Rushmore.

Obviously an anonymous 4 or 8 chan post carries zero weight as a legal or scientific proof ... but it does get my old juices flowing.

I am getting closer and closer to being totally on board with this suggestion. It is looking very possible that this may happen. Now, I know that we can't vet this information, but man, dang......... wouldn't that be the greatest coup ever?

warmest,
crosby

[KiwiElf]

All I can tell you at this timing is that some of that 4CHAN article is true (confirmed with "other" sources - best to ignore some of the exact future dates tho and take some of it with a grain - or boulder, of salt ;)); there are indeed some amazing "surprises" coming and lots of "disclosure".

A certain group of "people" we know so well, are included in that. ;) (Shhhhhhhhh ....)

EDIT ADDITION: To clarify, The 4th of July, however, IS going to be something "special". :happythumbsup:

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Trump is allegedly speaking at the Lincoln Memorial on the 4th.

I would think that if Jr is coming forth, he would do it at Trump's side to bring the more liberal public on board w/Trump which would help heal the country and assure Trump's 2nd term.

Is perhaps one of these locations (Mt Rushmore vs. Lincoln Memorial) set as a trap for DS? . . .

The excitement and anticipation builds.

[BMJ]

Just a thought, would any of us be surprised by now if JFK junior was an integral member of Q and posting as Q. I think not. :sun:

[crosby]

https://twitter.com/VincentCrypt46/status/1140804434743762944

Here is a pretty good set of pics from tonight's rally....... could it be??????

crosby

scroll down the twitter feed until you come to the pics with the Mrs's in a Red, White, and Blue hat!!!! She smiles brightly......

[KiwiElf]

https://twitter.com/VincentCrypt46/status/1140804434743762944

Here is a pretty good set of pics from tonight's rally....... could it be??????

crosby

scroll down the twitter feed until you come to the pics with the Mrs's in a Red, White, and Blue hat!!!! She smiles brightly......

Hmmmmm ... ;)

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[crosby]

You are the best...... thank you so much!!!!!

warmest,
crosby

[Sue (Ayt)]

Last night on Newsmax on tv, my husband thought he saw Vincent Fusca.
Went back today to the show he had on, and I think he was right!
What the heck?
:sherlock:

https://www.newsmaxtv.com/Shows/Greg-Kelly-Reports/vid/1_w7e68kdz
Go to 16:27

[pueblo]

Last night on Newsmax on tv, my husband thought he saw Vincent Fusca.
Went back today to the show he had on, and I think he was right!
What the heck?
:sherlock:

https://www.newsmaxtv.com/Shows/Greg-Kelly-Reports/vid/1_w7e68kdz
Go to 16:27

I saw that a couple of days ago and forgot about it (so much going on :) ... I saw this picture of him at the polling station as an observer...

Can you imagine a scenario where Trump overturns the election and the GOP hands over the presidency to a resurrected JFK jr to unify the country and wipe away the last bits of scum from the swap?

Is my pie in the sky??

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmJiOvUXIAExFjU.jpg

Italian flag mask?

45070

[Brigantia]

Trouble is, in this age of smoke and mirrors - if they do produce The Return of the King, how would we know that it isn't a double?

I once saw a photo of a young Tom Selleck without a moustache - the spitting image of JFK Jr.

[pueblo]

This is interesting...look at his t-shirt...

https://streamable.com/tr4o9v

It appears to be this...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91tUy7h8vhL._AC_UL320_SR268,320_.jpg

[Arcturian108]

This is interesting...look at his t-shirt...

https://streamable.com/tr4o9v

It appears to be this...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91tUy7h8vhL._AC_UL320_SR268,320_.jpg

You are absolutely right! It is that first cover of George. I don't know if Fusca, who appears to be shorter than JFK Jr., is playing along with the mystique, or if he and JFK Jr. are some kind of doubles of each other. I definitely feel that JFK Jr. is alive after seeing the spitting image of Caroline Bassette Kennedy at one of Trump's rallies.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm NOT an advocate of the theory that JFK Jr is somehow still alive. But for the record (mainly for those following this thread), here's Robert David Steele, who argues the case. Start in at 34:15.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkqnC-Whx4

[bettye198]

If this data has been mentioned already in this thread, I apologize. I just did not have the time to scroll through 18 screens. Sorry :o
If anyone follows twitter they may know of the psychic called Utsava from Switzerland, but she is in America. Her predictions for some time have been 100% accurate and she makes the claim that JFK Jr. is quite alive and has been visiting the W.H. in disguise as well as his family. That he had faked his death and has been living for the last 20 yrs in quiet retreat. Yet, because he is in the law profession and is one of Trumps best friends way back, there is going to be curiosity that he stayed incognito for so long. If what Utsava says is correct and she is adamant in every twitter, video and interview, the claim that Pence will be gone, Trump is in for another 4 yrs and he will make mega arrests to usurp the ongoing corruption and JFK Jr will be V.P.
So all we can do is wait and watch. If true, it could unite disbelievers and naysayers and give the country an element of sustaining hope. JFK Jr has been linked to Juan O'Savin and his gravely voice on various shows like Rogue news. Joe M also as one poster mentioned has been linked. Vincent Fusco at the ralleys if true is simply a disguise. It isn't hard to used those nylon or silicon facial masks to hide a person. It has been shown on youtube plenty of times.

[Hym]

What is 1-0-7, Juan O' Savin, if anything?
Silly Wabbits, always make mysteries where there are none.
I even just wrote about one, or did I?

[mountain_jim]

interesting....



REX @REX@social.quodverum.com
And on the same day (BTW today is JFK Jnr's birthday) POTUS pardons General Flynn.

That is NOT a coincidence.

General Flynn is now UNLEASHED. If he chooses he can publicly go on the warpath.

I love it when a plan comes together, don't you?

#MAGA

[Brigantia]

If this data has been mentioned already in this thread, I apologize. I just did not have the time to scroll through 18 screens. Sorry :o
If anyone follows twitter they may know of the psychic called Utsava from Switzerland, but she is in America. Her predictions for some time have been 100% accurate and she makes the claim that JFK Jr. is quite alive and has been visiting the W.H. in disguise as well as his family. That he had faked his death and has been living for the last 20 yrs in quiet retreat. Yet, because he is in the law profession and is one of Trumps best friends way back, there is going to be curiosity that he stayed incognito for so long. If what Utsava says is correct and she is adamant in every twitter, video and interview, the claim that Pence will be gone, Trump is in for another 4 yrs and he will make mega arrests to usurp the ongoing corruption and JFK Jr will be V.P.
So all we can do is wait and watch. If true, it could unite disbelievers and naysayers and give the country an element of sustaining hope. JFK Jr has been linked to Juan O'Savin and his gravely voice on various shows like Rogue news. Joe M also as one poster mentioned has been linked. Vincent Fusco at the ralleys if true is simply a disguise. It isn't hard to used those nylon or silicon facial masks to hide a person. It has been shown on youtube plenty of times.

I also follow a very good tarot reader who has been right about a lot of things - she has touched on this a couple of times, and she is certain that her cards tell her that he's no longer living. I trained in tarot and I agree with what she sees.

It wouldn't be the first time that seers have opposing views on a subject.

Edit to add:

Are you absolutely sure that she's 100% accurate? Who is making this claim? Seeing as future time lines aren't fixed (I'm with Bill Ryan on this point) and variables can swing them off course - a topic that has been discussed a lot elsewhere regarding the election - I have my doubts.

[Brigantia]

I’ve spent the weekend researching, fuelled with loads of coffee, as I found something very interesting yesterday and my head’s buzzing.

I’ve also read the entirety of this thread as I’m on the fence about whether JFK Jr is alive or not; I think not, but may be wrong. I would like to think that he didn’t have a tragic, terrifying death. However, illusion and fakery has been intensifying in the past two decades, it’s ramped up at a phenomenal rate and I don’t believe that anything that we are presented with is certain.

I rediscovered a blog that I used to follow with some creative web searching (I’d forgotten its name) and found something relevant on it that was such a jaw-dropping, “holy ****” moment. It could be a factor in everything that is being posted here.

However, it’s one heck of a rabbit hole - I’ll leave it up to you all as to whether I should post it. It may really challenge what you believe to be true.

[Waldo]

I’ve spent the weekend researching, fuelled with loads of coffee, as I found something very interesting yesterday and my head’s buzzing.

I’ve also read the entirety of this thread as I’m on the fence about whether JFK Jr is alive or not; I think not, but may be wrong. I would like to think that he didn’t have a tragic, terrifying death. However, illusion and fakery has been intensifying in the past two decades, it’s ramped up at a phenomenal rate and I don’t believe that anything that we are presented with is certain.

I rediscovered a blog that I used to follow with some creative web searching (I’d forgotten its name) and found something relevant on it that was such a jaw-dropping, “holy ****” moment. It could be a factor in everything that is being posted here.

However, it’s one heck of a rabbit hole - I’ll leave it up to you all as to whether I should post it. It may really challenge what you believe to be true.

What do you think

https://concentuswealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/JackNicholson.jpg

[Brigantia]

What do you think

https://concentuswealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/JackNicholson.jpg

WTH??? What's that supposed to mean?

If that's the knucklehead calibre of reply that I'm going to receive, I'll keep my research to myself.

[Waldo]

What do you think

https://concentuswealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/JackNicholson.jpg

WTH??? What's that supposed to mean?

If that's the knucklehead calibre of reply that I'm going to receive, I'll keep my research to myself.

Post it we can handle what you think

[Brigantia]

Post it we can handle what you think

Nah, I've changed my mind. Do your own research.

It's all about the bloodlines.

If they do all reappear, I'm pretty certain that I know why the sister vanished too. The exact same thing has happened on our side of the Pond.

Good luck with your research.

[Mike Gorman]

Don't be dismayed by clumsy responses, there are plenty of people who are active on this forum who do not indulge in buffoonery, and attention seeking classroom antics. These are just the tip of the iceberg, if you have something valuable to offer please know that there are appreciative people everywhere on Avalon, it can only be a positive outcome to present it. Don't worry about over excited folks, they cannot help it.

[pueblo]

I’ve spent the weekend researching, fuelled with loads of coffee, as I found something very interesting yesterday and my head’s buzzing.

I’ve also read the entirety of this thread as I’m on the fence about whether JFK Jr is alive or not; I think not, but may be wrong. I would like to think that he didn’t have a tragic, terrifying death. However, illusion and fakery has been intensifying in the past two decades, it’s ramped up at a phenomenal rate and I don’t believe that anything that we are presented with is certain.

I rediscovered a blog that I used to follow with some creative web searching (I’d forgotten its name) and found something relevant on it that was such a jaw-dropping, “holy ****” moment. It could be a factor in everything that is being posted here.

However, it’s one heck of a rabbit hole - I’ll leave it up to you all as to whether I should post it. It may really challenge what you believe to be true.

You can't say "I've found something relevant on it that was such a jaw dropping, “holy ****” moment" and then leave us hanging!!! :)

Post it.

[Brigantia]

Thanks to everyone who sent me supportive messages, both here and by PM.

OK, here we go. There’s a lot more that I could expand on this, but it’s a long post as it is. Please note that the conclusions of this post are hypothesis. Constructive criticism only, please.

Take a really good look at the facial features, especially the jaw, eyes, nose and hairline…

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…and compare them to this…

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…a photo of Aristotle Onassis. Here’s a photo of his son Alexander…

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…who, by the way, died of injuries the day after his plane crashed in 1973. Seems to be a common theme. Whilst he detested his stepmother he is said to have been fond of his step-siblings; he had a pilot’s licence and would let John sit at the controls of his plane.

It also explains Jr’s naturally wavy hair, a trait that I don’t see in the Kennedy or Bouvier families. Ari’s hair is heavily slicked with hair oil in the above photo, but you can see it in casual photos of him in later life. Alexander had wavy hair too.

Could this also explain Jackie’s marriage to Onassis, a clearly unhappy one and often said to have been for money? I don’t know if it’s the same in other countries, but under English law someone who is born illegitimate becomes legitimate if the parents later marry.

Just like Joseph Kennedy, Ari’s story is rags-to-riches, though I don’t believe that anyone from a poor background could amass so much wealth and power without either a hidden bloodline and/or willingness to be a cabal servant. He was the son of a prosperous family, but, as Wiki says: “The Onassis family's substantial property holdings were lost, causing them to become refugees fleeing to Greece after the Great fire of Smyrna in 1922”.

He moved to New York from Argentina, where he would have moved in elite social circles as he had amassed a huge fortune from his shipping empire. He also did business with Joseph Kennedy so would have undoubtedly known JFK and his wife. In the biography The Kennedy Clan, written by a cousin of the Kennedys, it states that JFK’s marriage was not a happy one.

Ari was also a notorious womaniser. Now we go into some hypothesis:

A story about Maria Callas emerged in a book published in 2000, Greek Fire by Nicolas Gage (I saw a documentary about this story on British TV back then) that she had given birth in Milan to a baby boy in early 1960 who was Onassis’ son. She had not seen Onassis for some time and was expecting to see him in May - where was he? New York? The baby is said to have died shortly after birth. This has been vehemently denied in the MSM, but IF it’s true - could the child have been taken from her, and the death story have been false? Double no. 1?

In August 1963, Jackie Kennedy had a baby boy who died. Double no. 2? Later that year, in October (a month before the assassination), she took her children to Greece on a highly publicised visit to see Ari Onassis, who was then living with her sister Lee.

I do wonder about the ‘deaths’ of infants of people in high places; are they spirited away to fulfil some kind of function under a hidden identity? For example, I once read that Deborah, Duchess of Devonshire, had three living children and three who had died at birth. Three! She was one of the Mitford girls, a highly ‘spook’ family;it is also said in the mainstream that she had an affair with JFK. I’ve also found out that Jackie had a stillborn daughter before Caroline - 2 live births out of 4.

So, there are two hypothetical doubles for JFK Jr, and it’s quite likely that Ari Onassis had plenty of other illegitimate offspring as well so there are probably dozens - one of whom may be posing as Vincent Fusca. As for Jackie, it’s in the mainstream that she had affairs with the actor Joseph Cotten and Gianni Agnelli, head of the Italian Fiat car company. Those are the ones we know about.

However - was JFK Jr the product of a torrid affair, or was it a breeding programme? I’m starting to think with a sinking heart that this is very deep state… just as it seems that they bred Charles’ genes out of Diana’s kids (probably because of the dubious ancestry of his maternal grandmother), maybe they bypassed the Kennedy genes with America’s Prince, as I’ve heard him called, for some reason. I suspect that in the hierarchy, Ari outranked Joseph; he had a much greater fortune, which says a lot. As I mentioned before, it’s all about the bloodlines at the very top.

I’ve been thinking a lot recently about how the Kennedys wove archetypal myth into their narrative, but that’s another post; I will say for now though that archetypal myths are very powerful, as they resonate with the soul. They lure you into the story. Patriarch Joseph also owned a movie studio - so he undoubtedly understood illusion and glamour. I wonder how much of their narrative is true.

[mountain_jim]

Interesting details and thanks for sharing this hypothesis, HikerChick!

[raregem]

Thank you HC for posting your hypothesis on your research.
It was Alexander Onassis' eyes that caught my attention. They remind me of JFK, Jr.'s eyes.
Very interesting post.
A rabbit hole in a rabbit hole..

[Brigantia]

Following on from my last post, here goes with another rabbit hole - and what a rabbit hole it is. A small detail about JFK Jr occurred to me that left me feeling quite shocked, so I went digging for evidence.

Here’s JFK Jr in 1976 (so coming up to his 16th birthday) with quite a mop of curly hair:

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Where did those curls come from?

The little boy who lived in the White House had straight hair.

Runnymede, 1965; his hair looks auburn here.

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With Ari Onassis, so probably 1968 onwards; no date was quoted but he looks about 10.

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Arriving at Athens; he looks about 14. Straight hair.
(Edit: I found this picture in a photo archive with more details after I had posted; it was taken in July 1975, so he was 4 months away from his 15th birthday.)

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I can find no photos of him after 1976 with straight hair. BTW, Ari Onassis died in 1975.

Was his 1970s hair permed? The thing is, he never has straight hair again from this point on. I’ve read that some people say anecdotally they have a perm and their hair is never straight again, but I’ve never known that to happen and this is scoffed at by hair experts. Most of my peers at school (myself included) had perms - especially after the film Grease was released - and not one of us ended up with their straight hair gone forever.

I looked at whether this can happen naturally; the only thing I found was this (https://www.scienceworld.ca/stories/can-hair-change-straight-curly/), that androgens can affect your hair in puberty, but it seems that straight to curly hair tends to occur in females:

“Androgens are male sex hormones. They are responsible for the development and maintenance of male characteristics, but androgens increase in both boys and girls during puberty. In both sexes, these hormones contribute to increased body hair and, later, balding in males. An increase in androgens in females can actually change the shape of the hair follicle from round to flat and this can instigate a change in texture from straight to curly.”

JFK Jr showed no signs of balding…

From a personal viewpoint, I know several young people with curly hair whom I’ve known all their lives, and their curly hair was evident within their first year of infancy.

From this point on, all I have is questions.

Were there two JFK Jrs?
Was there a switch in the mid-70s? If so, why?
Was there a tangible threat to his life, that led Jackie to have him hidden?
Did that threat arise after Ari’s death? Was Ari protecting him?
Was he switched with one of Ari Onassis’ offspring born the wrong side of the blanket? (See my post above.)
Is the little boy who lived in the White House still alive?
Or did he die? If so, of natural causes or was he killed?

The more I delve into this, the more I think that they’re all characters from Central Casting.
But - who’s the producer?

[Journeyman]

The more I delve into this, the more I think that they’re all characters from Central Casting.


This is my position. Leading politicians, actors and members of the aristocracy are one and the same, performers in a narrative which is largely scripted and in which their lives outside of their job are also a part of the story.

Incidentally that photo of JFK JR at 14. Look at the gait...

[Brigantia]

Incidentally that photo of JFK JR at 14. Look at the gait...

OMG!!! :shocked: I never noticed that, well spotted!

[Constance]

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[Brigantia]

Just a quick anecdotal story regarding hair. When my son was a baby, he had curly hair. By the time he was three his hair was dead straight. At the age of twelve (onset of puberty), his hair became curly again and has stayed that way ever since.

Thanks for that Constance - I have a story too. I would say though that in that photo, he looks much more adult than boy so I reckon he was way past puberty.

My story is my dad - as a baby he had a mass of blond curls, think Little Lord Fauntleroy. When he was about 18 months his father took him to the barbers and had it all cut off - and got a lot of grief from my grandmother, as he hadn't discussed it with her before the trip to the barbers. After that, my dad's hair grew straight and dark.

I haven't found anything though to indicate that hair can change naturally from straight to curly without artificial or hormonal reasons.

[bettye198]

I agree with you Hiker Chick that timelines can be seen but not in alignment with our timeline. The data from this person seems to be pretty high on the scale but with all psychics you never can be sure.

[Brigantia]

Seeing as The Return of the King is in full fever pitch, I decided to look at Vincent Fusca. (I'm having a job to format this, so it might look like a dog's dinner, here goes...)

He is not JFK Jr. He has long, slender hands and long arms.

JFK Jr had short arms with short, rather stubby hands with a square palm.

I also find it interesting that a lot of the age-progressed photos show him with a beard, which makes quite an alteration to the face. Hmm, the Saddam Hussein trial disguise.

[Brigantia]

I wasn't going to post here anymore as the more I research, the weirder it gets. However, a series of parallels has occurred to me that I decided to share, and although it's a bit off topic from the thread title, I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

Has it struck anyone about the parallels between Carolyn Bessette and Diana, Princess of Wales?

- Both were 8 years old when their parents divorced
- Both had older sisters
- Both married their respective country's Most Eligible Bachelor (yes, believe it or not, they really did say that about Charlie in the 1970s!)
- Both had a very uneasy and often fraught relationship with the press
- Allegations for both of marital fights and infidelity
- Both were said to be emotional and to have clashed with their in-laws
- Diana divorced; Carolyn rumoured to be heading for divorce prior to her death
- Both said to be fashion icons
- Both were canonised by the press once dead
- Both died in 'tragic accidents' less than 2 years apart
- Allegations immediately arose after their deaths that they were murdered
- Both were later said to have faked their deaths and to be living incognito

In addition to all that, both of their families seemed to blame the in-laws for their deaths. Diana's brother, then Viscount Althorp, delivered a blistering eulogy at her funeral that was taken to be an attack on the royals' treatment of her. Carolyn's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the Kennedys and were awarded $15 million.

Could all of this have been... scripted? The parallels seem too uncanny to me. Also, Carolyn's marriage seems to be similar to:

"Anyone can become President of the United States"
"Anyone can become big in Hollywood"
"Anyone can become a billionaire"

Do you believe that "any woman from a humble background can marry the country's Most Eligible Bachelor"?

What do you think?

[araucaria]

Iota’s account (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112845-2020-Presidential-Election--and-its-Aftermath&p=1404114&viewfull=1#post1404114)is probably the best evidence of possible survival of JFK Jr, not because it supports the theory in every way, but precisely because it does not. If you are seeking to create doubt, or better still mistaken certainty, this is what it takes.

John’s cousin was getting married and he and his wife and her sister were going to fly out. The day before, he had lunch with Hillary. Eye witness account. Why would they lie?

They figured he was going to tell HC he was jumping into the race in August to save money and hoped she would bow out. This is surely not conjecture: they knew he was jumping into the race because they had discussed it together.

He was so distracted he barely said hello, unlike him, and he mentioned if they needed him he was going to be at a hotel not at home and didn't say which one. This can be taken either to explain why he was going to X or why he was going somewhere else – but not home.

Instead she explained to him HE should bow out or else and spelled it out so that he knew there was power and evil here.As we know, it would be a dead heat in Gore v Bush. There was no chance of Mrs Clinton following 8 years of Mr Bill. Bush Jr only 8 years after Bush Sr was only marginally better, but at least it placed nepotism in the other camp: the lesser of two ‘evils’ - anyone but a Kennedy.

He called his wife and told her to pack up and take as much as she could and pack up for him, that he felt imminent danger.I don’t know about this, but stories of the ‘Clinton body count’ make ‘imminent danger’ sound very plausible.

He was on crutches due to an injury to his ankle.This can be taken either to explain why he crashed or why he didn’t fly.

He gets to the airport, due to his injury his instructor agrees to fly the sister over to the island and John makes sure people see him so it will look like he was at the wedding and he never gets on the plane but meets Teds contact who hands him a briefcase with I.D.s passports, money and drives them to another airport where they disappear. This is as good a spur of the moment solution as one is going to find. It might not have worked. But if it did, it certainly did.

I look for a precedent (semi-pun half-intended). I can only think of one offhand: Jesus. How many newborn children did Herod dispatch, to no avail?

[Brigantia]

Iota’s account (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112845-2020-Presidential-Election--and-its-Aftermath&p=1404114&viewfull=1#post1404114)is probably the best evidence of possible survival of JFK Jr, not because it supports the theory in every way, but precisely because it does not. If you are seeking to create doubt, or better still mistaken certainty, this is what it takes.

Thanks Araucaria, I have seen that post; maybe you missed my reply below it! :)

It doesn't accord with the fact that they were said to have been staying with members of the Mellon family in New Jersey, so I queried where he allegedly had lunch with her, and why two of his colleagues would be there; even if they had been having lunch in such a massive city as New York, them bumping into each other seems highly coincidental.

"Eye witness account. Why would they lie? "
Attention seeking? Who knows what motivates people to lie, but we all know that it's a sad fact that some people do.

My opinion is that the mainstream account is quite plausible; JFK Jr seems to have had an impetuous nature with little regard for his personal safety, he loved extreme sports and I have seen a lot of photos of him taken at different times with his leg, ankle, arm or wrist bandaged or in a plaster cast. It therefore seems likely that it would have been in his nature to have taken the spur of the moment decision to fly in poor conditions.

Maybe he did fake his death - let's face it, none of us know the truth about that - but I'm pretty certain that if he did, he's now in permanent retirement and won't reappear.

[araucaria]

Iota’s account (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112845-2020-Presidential-Election--and-its-Aftermath&p=1404114&viewfull=1#post1404114)is probably the best evidence of possible survival of JFK Jr, not because it supports the theory in every way, but precisely because it does not. If you are seeking to create doubt, or better still mistaken certainty, this is what it takes.

Thanks Araucaria, I have seen that post; maybe you missed my reply below it! :)

It doesn't accord with the fact that they were said to have been staying with members of the Mellon family in New Jersey, so I queried where he allegedly had lunch with her, and why two of his colleagues would be there; even if they had been having lunch in such a massive city as New York, them bumping into each other seems highly coincidental.

"Eye witness account. Why would they lie? "
Attention seeking? Who knows what motivates people to lie, but we all know that it's a sad fact that some people do.

My opinion is that the mainstream account is quite plausible; JFK Jr seems to have had an impetuous nature with little regard for his personal safety, he loved extreme sports and I have seen a lot of photos of him taken at different times with his leg, ankle, arm or wrist bandaged or in a plaster cast. It therefore seems likely that it would have been in his nature to have taken the spur of the moment decision to fly in poor conditions.

Maybe he did fake his death - let's face it, none of us know the truth about that - but I'm pretty certain that if he did, he's now in permanent retirement and won't reappear.
Thank you Brigantia. Yes, I missed your post, my apologies. I don’t know much about American eating habits, but I do know that if you wanted to find James Angleton at lunchtime in Washington, you would know where to go. People have their preferred haunts, don’t they? But of course Washington DC is such a small town, I was forgetting.

Sure, some people lie; but it is a happy fact, based on personal experience, that the vast majority do not.

‘The mainstream account is quite plausible’; that is precisely what I am saying. To combat plausible deniability, we need to invent ‘deniable plausibility’.

But you have nothing to say about Jesus. Not only did he survive ruthless attempts on his life at birth, but there were widespread reports that he survived public crucifixion. I am not saying that he did; but for two millennia, a huge majority of people across the world were persuaded/were made aware/held the deepest conviction that this was true. Even if it meant believing in miracles that never happened in their own day. (Note: I am not comparing JFK Jr the man with Jesus Christ.)

You are ‘pretty certain’: sure, just like all those Christians...

[Brigantia]

Thank you Brigantia. Yes, I missed your post, my apologies. I don’t know much about American eating habits, but I do know that if you wanted to find James Angleton at lunchtime in Washington, you would know where to go. People have their preferred haunts, don’t they? But of course Washington DC is such a small town, I was forgetting.

The eating place isn't the issue, but the fact that it's said that he wasn't in town! So, where was this alleged restaurant? Details, details! This story is full of holes.


Sure, some people lie; but it is a happy fact, based on personal experience, that the vast majority do not.

I agree that this is true with ordinary people, that is my personal experience too - but where getting a measure of fame is possible, that's another matter. What's the original source of this story, anyway? Always look for the source!


‘The mainstream account is quite plausible’; that is precisely what I am saying. To combat plausible deniability, we need to invent ‘deniable plausibility’.

Maybe because it's getting late here, but I don't understand this...


But you have nothing to say about Jesus. Not only did he survive ruthless attempts on his life at birth, but there were widespread reports that he survived public crucifixion. I am not saying that he did; but for two millennia, a huge majority of people across the world were persuaded/were made aware/held the deepest conviction that this was true. Even if it meant believing in miracles that never happened in their own day. (Note: I am not comparing JFK Jr the man with Jesus Christ.)

You are ‘pretty certain’: sure, just like all those Christians...

I don't even know if Jesus existed; what were there, about 70 contemporary chroniclers? Not one mentions Jesus... No offence intended to any believers. I do believe that the story was based on someone who existed, probably not in that time or place, but the story as handed down to us has been significantly distorted. Just my opinion.

[iota]

https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/OmWFI78J3P7ipscpXY3mknTXejs=/fit-in/800x533/smart/filters:fill(black)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OOWDCOISLEGSWYVO5BDJVV4SII.jpg

the truth of the matter is Biden found out ...

had him kidnapped ...

and has been hidden in Biden's basement til at least 2024 ...

but .... you did NOT hear this from me!

:Angel:


https://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20160718/entlife/160719209/EP/1/7/EP-160719209.jpg&updated=201607171153&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80

no worries! i'm on it!

[iota]

another dream i still believe in ...


https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/donald-trump-cover-1554922252.png

their connection was strong ...

[Brigantia]

https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/OmWFI78J3P7ipscpXY3mknTXejs=/fit-in/800x533/smart/filters:fill(black)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OOWDCOISLEGSWYVO5BDJVV4SII.jpg

the truth of the matter is Biden found out ...

had him kidnapped ...

and has been hidden in Biden's basement til at least 2024 ...

but .... you did NOT hear this from me!

:Angel:


https://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20160718/entlife/160719209/EP/1/7/EP-160719209.jpg&updated=201607171153&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80

no worries! i'm on it!

Hahaha! Way to go, Iota, we've got your back! :blackwidow:

[Brigantia]

Going back to my post #367, seeing as it's been a bit sidetracked, I've realised one other similarity between Carolyn and Diana - controversy over their committal arrangements.

It's said in the mainstream that JFK Jr didn't want a burial site as a place of pilgrimage, thus the committal of ashes to the sea for them both; possibly he felt that, though who knows what we can trust in the mainstream? It's often said that Catholics want to be buried, but attitudes have changed - though it is possible that there is a secret burial site somewhere known only to the families if they did indeed die, and the committal from the US Navy ship was just theatre. Of course if they didn't die, it was definitely theatre. There was also no autopsy done, said to have been at the request of the families - is that even legal with an accidental death?

As for Diana, her body was illegally embalmed on the instructions of Charles; permission for embalming was necessary from the Mayor of Paris, but not sought. As to her burial - a good friend of mine lives near Althorp, Diana's ancestral home, and she told me that no one in the locality believes that she was buried on the tourist attraction 'island on the lake' site at Althorp. Everyone round there believes that she was interred in the Spencer family vault at Great Brington Church. The Friday evening before the grand funeral service in London, the evening church service was cancelled for 'maintenance'. People heard a lot of hammering in the church before that; they believe that she was interred on the Friday evening and the following day's events were all show.

[iota]

Going back to my post #367, seeing as it's been a bit sidetracked, I've realised one other similarity between Carolyn and Diana - controversy over their committal arrangements.

It's said in the mainstream that JFK Jr didn't want a burial site as a place of pilgrimage, thus the committal of ashes to the sea for them both; possibly he felt that, though who knows what we can trust in the mainstream? It's often said that Catholics want to be buried, but attitudes have changed - though it is possible that there is a secret burial site somewhere known only to the families if they did indeed die, and the committal from the US Navy ship was just theatre. Of course if they didn't die, it was definitely theatre. There was also no autopsy done, said to have been at the request of the families - is that even legal with an accidental death?

As for Diana, her body was illegally embalmed on the instructions of Charles; permission for embalming was necessary from the Mayor of Paris, but not sought. As to her burial - a good friend of mine lives near Althorp, Diana's ancestral home, and she told me that no one in the locality believes that she was buried on the tourist attraction 'island on the lake' site at Althorp. Everyone round there believes that she was interred in the Spencer family vault at Great Brington Church. The Friday evening before the grand funeral service in London, the evening church service was cancelled for 'maintenance'. People heard a lot of hammering in the church before that; they believe that she was interred on the Friday evening and the following day's events were all show.

wow! just got caught up and truly intrigued with all your research HC! thank you for this!!

and thanks for the back up!!! i could really use it sometimes, being as how i'm only 5 ft tall standing on my tippy toes! ;)

i came across this and thought of you ... you had already made connections and links in this direction .. thought this might be an interesting piece to add somewhere ...


https://media.8kun.top/file_store/thumb/8677e196d3cc902f512a99669ff5097a2ac77b38278e8c1cef172a448d3b0589.png


and then THIS one



https://media.8kun.top/file_store/34caa01026318ca5a91d11006600d83dac475d7e6abaa046d219207aec417340.jpg

not making assertions .. just sharing what has been speculated and brandied about ... trying to read the smoke signals amidst all the "smoke" which might lead to "fire" ...

big fan of your research! please don't stop sharing ... :flower:

[Brigantia]

Thanks Iota for the support! :bearhug:

Those are interesting comparisons, wow... as I've said before - it's all about the bloodlines!

Compare Diana with her Spencer siblings, then take a look at Zak and Jemima Goldsmith...

What I've researched has taken me down so many rabbit holes; it's interesting to look back into the Kennedy family, Joe Sr's bio is very interesting. Also Ari Onassis; what a shady character he was. Did you know that he owned the Monte Carlo casino and its bank, pretty much controlling that principality? Also its proximity to Marseille... French Connection, just saying... He also made his prewar fortune in Argentina and always kept a home there, we all know the postwar rumours about who fled to that country.

The marriage to Jackie is very odd too, it seems much more like a business arrangement than a love match. Everything unravelled for Onassis a few years after the marriage. I've looked at lots of photos from that era; in the wedding photos she looks happy, he less so.

Not much related to this thread but I'm posting it because it intrigues me. This is Jackie and JFK Jr leaving Ari's funeral service, and from the other photos I've seen John seems to have been genuinely grieving - look at the expressions. I wonder what had just been said.

Edit to add - look at the bags under his eyes too - it looks like he hasn't slept for days.

[Brigantia]

I mentioned the weaving of archetypes into the Kennedy narrative in a previous post; these are just a few things that I have noticed, there may be more. It's been years since I studied classical myth and I don't have a profound academic knowledge, also being across the Atlantic we obviously know who the Kennedys are but they are not as widely reported on as in the US; even so, from what I have read about them there seems to be myth-making in their narrative. There may well be more that I've not noticed.

I would also suggest that it echoes this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113728-You-re-watching-a-movie&p=1407150#post1407150), exploring the idea that current events are unfolding according to a script.

You are probably familiar with the Kennedy presidency being referred to as Camelot - that is said to have come from Jackie in an interview after she was widowed, who said that they used to sit together in the evenings and listen to the score of the 1960 musical Camelot. We only have her word for that.

Camelot... King Arthur... the Once and Eternal King... the king who is not dead but sleeps with his knights, and they will all awaken to defend the country when it is threatened. Was this laying the foundations of a future Kennedy presidency in the psyche of the people? Immortalising JFK? BTW, I don't believe that Jackie was the airhead that she made herself out to be; there's no better way to make people underestimate you than to appear to be stupid.

The narrative of the past couple of years about the return from hiding of JFK Jr is the exiled king or prince, who is either banished or flees in the face of danger, wanders in the wilderness for years with great adventures and adversity but overcomes them all in a journey of self-realisation. His people believe him to be dead but then the prince returns, defeats his foes, all the people rejoice and live happily ever after.

That is an ancient myth; Oedipus, Theseus, Arthur, Labraid Loingsech to mention a few and recently given a modern makeover with Luke Skywalker. JRR Tolkien also wove the exiled king myth into the story of The Lord of the Rings with Strider/Aragorn; his trilogy is like an encyclopaedia of archetypes, he had an impressive knowledge of the ancient myths.

Then you have RFK Jr - said to have been thrown out of the house by his mother when he was 14 and was taken in by Lem Billings. Is this another exiled prince?

Another story that I remember, from a biography of the Kennedys - towards the end of Joseph Sr's life when he was very ill, he called for his nurse one night as he was cold. She didn't want to put the light on (why?) so she reached into the linen cupboard for a blanket and covered him with it. In the morning he was crying out in agony - she had taken the flag that had draped JFK's coffin out of the linen cupboard and put it over Joe.

I read this years ago and believed it when younger and more gullible - now I think it's more myth-making. Would that flag have been stored with the bed linen? Would she not have known the difference in texture between a blanket and a flag, even in the dark? This is bunkum, and another archetype - the elderly king grieving for his slain son, either over his son's broken body or some other memento, such as his bloodied clothing. It echoes The Iliad, and King Priam prostrate with grief over the death of his son Hector during the siege of Troy. This archetype is also found in Tolkien's The Return of the King, with Denethor, Steward of Gondor, going mad over the death of his favoured son Boromir.

Following on from my post above about the parallels between Carolyn and Diana, I suspect that they are both the Mary Magdalene archetype; alleged misdeeds and frailties exposed in life, sanctified in death.

Carolyn was obviously Cinderella, an archetype from folklore that has a recorded provenance of over 2000 years and was probably far older than that in the oral tradition; the poor girl taken from obscurity to high rank. Carolyn was the daughter of a cabinet maker - a carpenter with a specialism, and echoes of the Nativity there - who is 'discovered' (huge red flag there IMO) and given a far more prestigious role at Calvin Klein, which takes her to greater heights that put her in the path of Prince Charming.

This is my personal opinion, make of it what you will - I suspect that Carolyn had a hidden bloodline and was possibly planted during infancy or early childhood into an ordinary family. Her early life bio may be scrubbed, just like Kate Middleton's, and I find it very odd that there are no pre-teen photos of her. That must be a first for someone with that level of fame. Please post them if you know of any!

This is the provenance of the Cinderella story from Wiki (my emphasis):

"'Cinderella', or 'The Little Glass Slipper', is a folk tale about oppression and triumphant reward. Thousands of variants are known throughout the world. The protagonist is a young woman living in forsaken circumstances that are suddenly changed to remarkable fortune, with her ascension to the throne via marriage. The story of Rhodopis, recounted by the Greek geographer Strabo sometime between around 7 BC and AD 23, about a Greek slave girl who marries the king of Egypt, is usually considered to be the earliest known variant of the Cinderella story.

The Chinese story of Ye Xian, first attested in a source from around AD 860, is another early variant of the story. The first literary European version of the story was published in Italy by Giambattista Basile in his Pentamerone in 1634; the version that is now most widely known in the English-speaking world was published in French by Charles Perrault in Histoires ou contes du temps passé in 1697. Another version was later published by the Brothers Grimm in their folk tale collection Grimms' Fairy Tales in 1812.

Although the story's title and main character's name change in different languages, in English-language folklore Cinderella is an archetypal name. The word Cinderella has, by analogy, come to mean one whose attributes were unrecognised: one who unexpectedly achieves recognition or success after a period of obscurity and neglect. The still-popular story of Cinderella continues to influence popular culture internationally, lending plot elements, allusions, and tropes to a wide variety of media."

Finally, this is a parallel rather than an archetype. I have read that JFK's tumultuous marriage was patched up in their final year together and they were getting along well. Exactly the same narrative has been spun for John Jr and Carolyn, I suspect that the narrative is laying on the tragedy with a trowel; just as all is going well, suddenly everything falls apart.

[araucaria]

Thank you Brigantia. Yes, I missed your post, my apologies. I don’t know much about American eating habits, but I do know that if you wanted to find James Angleton at lunchtime in Washington, you would know where to go. People have their preferred haunts, don’t they? But of course Washington DC is such a small town, I was forgetting.

The eating place isn't the issue, but the fact that it's said that he wasn't in town! So, where was this alleged restaurant? Details, details! This story is full of holes.


Sure, some people lie; but it is a happy fact, based on personal experience, that the vast majority do not.

I agree that this is true with ordinary people, that is my personal experience too - but where getting a measure of fame is possible, that's another matter. What's the original source of this story, anyway? Always look for the source!


‘The mainstream account is quite plausible’; that is precisely what I am saying. To combat plausible deniability, we need to invent ‘deniable plausibility’.

Maybe because it's getting late here, but I don't understand this...


But you have nothing to say about Jesus. Not only did he survive ruthless attempts on his life at birth, but there were widespread reports that he survived public crucifixion. I am not saying that he did; but for two millennia, a huge majority of people across the world were persuaded/were made aware/held the deepest conviction that this was true. Even if it meant believing in miracles that never happened in their own day. (Note: I am not comparing JFK Jr the man with Jesus Christ.)

You are ‘pretty certain’: sure, just like all those Christians...

I don't even know if Jesus existed; what were there, about 70 contemporary chroniclers? Not one mentions Jesus... No offence intended to any believers. I do believe that the story was based on someone who existed, probably not in that time or place, but the story as handed down to us has been significantly distorted. Just my opinion.
I want to make a general point or two here, not getting into any arguments.
Regarding ‘details details’. I answered your idea about the meeting being too coincidental: people have favourite haunts in and out of town where they can be found. Also people sometimes arrange to conveniently bump into each other… The whereabouts of the restaurant is not relevant to the plausibility of the story. While such information might serve as useful corroboration, but no more than that, it may be simply that you are raisinq questions not asked at the time or not answered in advance of questioning. The trouble is, a liar would also have an answer to this kind of question, so it would be of limited value.

The other problem with poring over details is that the main issue may be somehow taken as read. If I were picking holes in a story like this, methodologically speaking, I would start with the big picture, namely that it is a horrific and possibly preposterous accusation to be levelling at Mrs Clinton. To think her capable of such things almost unqueryingly just shows how far we have crept down a slippery slope. Back then, after years of Monicagate, I was expecting poor Hillary to put an end to a toxic marriage – in the way Mrs Dominique Strauss-Kahn did very decisively much later on. That she never did was an initial indication that she maybe wasn’t the nice person I and others had presumed a former first lady to be. So the first clue came from her: she still had ongoing business with Bill. The next clue came from Bill: anything he was up to, she was doing by association, as a partner in marriage or possibly crime. They had stepped into the realm of what I am calling ‘deniable plausibility’, the parting of the ways with plausible deniability, where denial becomes increasingly implausible. This leads to ‘I wouldn’t put it past him/her’ territory where people who have squandered a reputation are potentially guilty of anything and everything.

So this is a two-edged sword. On the one hand, it is all too easy to fall lazily into the trap of demonizing someone. On the other, it is often easier in the courts to secure a conviction on multiple charges than for a single crime or felony. For example, a serial killer can become detectable not by repeating the same mistake but by repeating the same near-perfect crime. It creates a pattern. So in a sense, in order to unmask this type of ‘demon’, you have to entertain the concept of the ‘demon’, way beyond the almost respectable one-off murderer, and then apply it to X or Y. Here, the longer the list of ‘Clinton crimes’ grows, the more that will be added to it, and the more plausible each one will appear. But until careful prosecution occurs, the suspect walks free and as the accusations become increasingly preposterous the presumption of innocence becomes easier to impose.

The same logic holds for victims. With regard to presidential races, the Kennedys are serial victims, making John Jr a more plausible victim than someone else, because it fits a pattern. To put it the other way round, supposing this were planned, then it would be reasonable to assume the same motive and perpetrators were involved. We also need to factor in the fact that another Kennedy presidency was a big no-no for the people in charge, and if he just fell out of the sky, that was a serious stroke of good luck for them. These things happen all the time.

However, what makes the John Jr business different from the story so far would be the pattern it forms with the archetypal tale of the (hero’s) return. Not only does he return as himself, in a sense it would also be the return of JFK Sr. What makes the myth of the return so extremely powerful is doubtless its rarity, when so many disappearances, mysterious and otherwise are our daily fare. This was the point of my reference to Christianity: you don’t have to believe in the resurrection, but if it didn’t happen, then you have to account for a two-thousand year old civilization being built entirely on what amounts to a founding myth – which if anything is even more amazing. But the hugely positive overall message of Jesus is somewhat beside the point. I was thinking of a modern example of the return, the Japanese soldier who didn’t know the war had ended, when Bill Ryan posted this timely thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113909-The-Japanese-Soldier-who-Refused-to-Believe-the-War-was-Over&p=1408462&viewfull=1#post1408462).


One of the founding myths of the ancient Greeks was the return of Ulysses, ten years after the ten-year Trojan War ended. Homer’s Odyssey recounts what took him so long and the swamp he had to drain on reaching his palace. Ulysses is the smart guy who had a plan to escape the draft (it failed) and a plan to end the interminable war: the Trojan horse. The Trojan horse was already a hero’s return scenario: one that went viral (notice the computer virus of that name). You had a foreign cell entering the city of Troy which was not excreted but allowed to develop within its walls into a military commando spilling out soldiers. In addition you had the return of the entire Greek expeditionary force, which had pretended to set sail for home. Putting an end to a war can be a very bloody affair. So, while no Gandhi, Ulysses did get the job done and everyone could go home (except for himself).

The Trojan War is probably not myth: in the 1890s, Heinrich Schliemann discovered archaeological evidence of Troy at Hissarlik in Turkey. What makes such events more plausible is that they occur as an upturn after difficult times. I see this as coming out of a time slip, which is rather like a parenthesis or a quote in a piece of writing. You close the parenthesis or end the quote, and return to what went before. Times were hard because you were not where you were supposed to be, and now you come back.

I wrote the above four days ago: I see from your latest post that we agree on the relevance of myth. Coincidentally, I have just been rereading John Buchan’s The Dancing Floor, which is a modern retelling of the ancient Greek spring festival ritual murder of the virgin koré and kouros as scapegoats, with a built-in miracle return of the god and goddess avoiding any bloodshed.

[Brigantia]

I want to make a general point or two here, not getting into any arguments.

Okayyy...


I answered your idea about the meeting being too coincidental...

You didn't answer the fact that he was said to have been out of the city. In any case, if you go back to that original thread, I'm paraphrasing here but it's saying that after they heard about the plane crash, the narrator of this account phoned around (unnamed) 'contacts' and this is what they think happened.

Not an eyewitness account at all - just what they thought happened, not what they knew to have happened! There is therefore no credibility to that account, probably baloney, so I don't see the point in picking over it.

Pushed for time here, so just two more observations.

Schliemann's Troy has been widely discredited, it's too small for a start, and you only have to read his bio to realise that he was a treasure seeker and an attention seeker. In other words, a fake. No one knows with any certainty where Troy was.

The Iliad and Odyssey are based on older myths from another culture, possibly the Phoenicians; the etymology of the name Odysseus is not Greek.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Maybe!?!?!?!? - or someone just playing with us. Nice pictures anyhow. Spelling errors make me wonder. You decide.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipt1s2Jepw8

[Arcturian108]

Maybe!?!?!?!? - or someone just playing with us. Nice pictures anyhow. Spelling errors make me wonder. You decide.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipt1s2Jepw8

The most convincing aspect of this video are the personal photos, that I believe very few people would have access to. I think if he ever returned, he would be regarded by many in America, and the world, as the return of the מָשִׁיחַ (Messiah). The joy would be overwhelming. A catharsis.

[Brigantia]

Maybe!?!?!?!? - or someone just playing with us. Nice pictures anyhow. Spelling errors make me wonder. You decide.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipt1s2Jepw8

Yes, maybe... I see these possible scenarios:

1. He died in 1999;
2. He faked his death, is living incognito and won't reappear;
3. He faked his death but has since died;
4. He faked his death and will reappear.

I'm inclining towards either 1 or 2 myself, but I'm not 100% certain of the truth of any of it (not one of us is IMHO), there is a lot of smoke and mirrors around it all plus much disinfo.

I have a feeling that this has all been a well-intentioned psyop to deflect attention from someone else waiting in the wings.


The most convincing aspect of this video are the personal photos, that I believe very few people would have access to.

One thing you could do is take screen shots of the photos and do a reverse image search to see if they are in the public domain. I'd do that myself but I'm in the middle of my work shifts so pressed for time. I've seen a lot of photos of him in private settings that have made it onto the internet, and there are also those that have been published in books.

[TomKat]

Jennifer Easton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moD2d0S4g9A

[Bill Ryan]

As many may be aware, I have some serious issues with Sean David Morton personally. And I never gave any credence to the JFK-Jr-is-still-alive notion.

But trust me: you gotta listen to this. :) It's worth a couple of giant bags of popcorn. Or maybe three. Or even four or five.

And if some certain stories Sean tells are true, then (a) it's important, and (b) some history needs to be rewritten.

There's a huge amount he says that I have no means of verifying. But there were one or two things he did mention that I'd heard myself from separate sources.

Enjoy. :)

https://projectcamelotportal.com/2021/04/17/sean-david-morton-kennedy-family-jfk-jr

[TomKat]

https://projectcamelotportal.com/2021/04/17/sean-david-morton-kennedy-family-jfk-jr

Now that it's a pay site, you can watch but not download. I used Total Recorder, an inexpensive program for recording any audio output. I think it also does video, but I'm only interested in making mp3s for my mp3 player.

[Brigantia]

Could you let me know how long it is please Bill? I'd take a look, but... car trouble to sort out... I'm a bit tied up right now.

[Bill Ryan]

Could you let me know how long it is please Bill? I'd take a look, but... car trouble to sort out... I'm a bit tied up right now.The whole video is 1 hour 53 minutes. (You can maybe ignore the last 10 mins, and start in at 22:40. And you only need the audio.)

That brings it down to 1 hour 20 mins of dense, rapid-fire information and crazy-wild personal anecdotes that are nothing if not highly entertaining. I ran it by a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable about this period of history, and they replied that in their opinion Sean had some things right and some things wrong.

Sean periodically goes sideways and touches on all KINDS of things besides JFK Jr, such as:


Frank Sinatra and the Mob who got upset with JFK after they'd rigged the election for him
Hitler, who, having escaped to Argentina, was driven through the US Northwest at age 85 because "he wanted to see it", wrote poetry, and "seemed like a nice guy"
Jim Morrison, who lives in Portland to this day
Elvis, who was still alive in 1992 (Sean spoke with him briefly on the phone, having been introduced by a witness protection agent, something he joked would ruin his own reputation, but he had to recount what he experienced)
The murder of Princess Diana, and how it was carried out
The missile that accidentally downed TWA 800 (he was right about that)
The "Man called Intrepid" (William Stephenson, the 'real' James Bond)
...and much much more.

So I do recommend it, if you have time. When I was listening, I regularly paused it to go look up people and events on the net that he was referring to. I learned quite a lot about some stuff I just never knew about at all. (But you don't have to do that! That's just the way I learn about things when listening to something I'm not an expert in. I kind of stop and check out all the footnotes. And here, there are MANY of those.)

[JackMcThorn]

For those of you not from the u.s., 'The South will Rise Again' is still a strong mantra. Hillary Clinton was indeed a carpet bagger, and the newer CIA building, the Bush Centre for Intelligence is named after H.W. Bush or Bush Senior.

It is my opinion that the south infiltrated the CIA and they hated the north and in particular the New England area. Texas is driven by egos with oil riches but not really with brains. The south is about 3 years behind in academics compared with the north.

No one talks about this connection; few seem to realise it. Mind influences work on those piloting aircraft. The CIA could very well have crashed Jr.. I read a book about an accomplished helicopter pilot who missed his low fuel gauge and crashed and died at the hands of the CIA, I cannot remember which book it was. His family said he was an expert and would not have missed his usual pre-flight checks.

If sean is right about anything is the deaths of the Kennedy's are certainly responsible for tremendous changes in america.

[Brigantia]

Sorry, not buying it... this is the 'JFK Jr having lunch with Hillary Clinton' story, discussed on the previous page of this thread, with quite a few embellishments. In this interview he says that there were reporters waiting outside - any evidence of that in the MSM? There must have been photos!

He also says that they had lunch in New York on the day of the crash, but the account in this thread puts the date as the day before the crash. He also has 'witnesses' who were eavesdropping on the conversation.

I noticed a few factual errors in this interview, these come to mind - the UK national anthem is not 'O Jerusalem', and Queen Victoria was not a Habsburg. The royals are all interrelated of course, but she only had distant links to the Habsburgs.

He only mentions Joe Senior's illegal trade in booze and guns; nothing about his association with Ari Onassis who is widely believed to have made his fortune in Argentina by smuggling Turkish heroin into the country as 'Turkish tobacco'. The illegal heroin trade was massive at that time; heroin had only become illegal in the US in 1923, it was previously sold over the counter but once illegal there were plenty of people hooked on it who could now only buy it illegally. From what I've read of Joe Sr, I don't believe for a moment that he wouldn't have been involved in such a lucrative trade.

[JackMcThorn]

OSS the precursor to the CIA was the Office of Strategic Services, not special services as recorded in the interview.

[TomKat]

I noticed a few factual errors in this interview, these come to mind - the UK national anthem is not 'O Jerusalem', and Queen Victoria was not a Habsburg. The royals are all interrelated of course, but she only had distant links to the Habsburgs.

Sean is always full of factual errors. He has no mind for details, and often says one thing when clearly meaning another. You can't take Sean's testimony at face value, you have to sift and analyse it.

[Brigantia]

Sean is always full of factual errors. He has no mind for details, and often says one thing when clearly meaning another. You can't take Sean's testimony at face value, you have to sift and analyse it.

I don't know how much sifting and analysing I'd have to do regarding Queen Victoria. This point of the dynasty that she was born into makes his theory about this completely wrong, and it made me wonder how much of what he was saying was true.

Victoria was born into the house of Hanover, so she was a continuation of the Hanoverian monarchy. The Habsburgs were staunchly Catholic - that would make a Habsburg takeover of the British monarchy a Catholic takeover, I know the history of that era quite well and there is no evidence that this is what happened.

Victoria's children were of the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha by her marriage to Albert; royal children are always of the house of their father. The name of the house of Windsor was adopted in place of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha during WW1.

:focus:

[mountain_jim]

After a recent retirement, I find I now have time to watch/listen to some more things, and I enjoyed this one - thanks for the tip, Bill! :)

And thanks Kerry for the interview and for letting him 'talk story'.

[TomKat]

Sean is always full of factual errors. He has no mind for details, and often says one thing when clearly meaning another. You can't take Sean's testimony at face value, you have to sift and analyse it.

I don't know how much sifting and analysing I'd have to do regarding Queen Victoria. This point of the dynasty that she was born into makes his theory about this completely wrong, and it made me wonder how much of what he was saying was true.

Victoria was born into the house of Hanover, so she was a continuation of the Hanoverian monarchy. The Habsburgs were staunchly Catholic - that would make a Habsburg takeover of the British monarchy a Catholic takeover, I know the history of that era quite well and there is no evidence that this is what happened.

Victoria's children were of the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha by her marriage to Albert; royal children are always of the house of their father. The name of the house of Windsor was adopted in place of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha during WW1.

:focus:

If you can't imagine Sean saying Hapsburg when he meant Hanover, or having once heard Hanover and misremembering it as Hapsburg, then you haven't listened to him very much.

[Brigantia]

If you can't imagine Sean saying Hapsburg when he meant Hanover, or having once heard Hanover and misremembering it as Hapsburg, then you haven't listened to him very much.

BTW it's Habsburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_Monarchy); I know it sounds like Hapsburg but that's a common misspelling. I distinctly remember him saying a "Habsburg takeover of the British monarchy", but if he meant Hanover it's still wrong as Victoria was born into the house of Hanover, and was the 6th Hanoverian monarch. So, no takeover there. In my opinion, any researcher who can't get their facts right just isn't credible; we shouldn't be having to guess what they're really trying to say, that's ridiculous.

Hs anyone checked out Sean's claim to be related to the Kennedys? Easy enough to do online these days, but I'm tied up with other stuff right now and don't have time. He says Joe Sr was a "great-uncle or something" to his mother. Looking at the Kennedy family, Joe Sr had 3 siblings. When Rose died in 1995 she had 28 grandchildren and 41 great-grandchildren, and there must be many more great-grandchildren now.

So, that's a very big family if you include the descendants of Joe Sr's siblings, so being distantly related doesn't mean that you were in the bosom of the famous branch of the family.

That's if his claim is true; it was interesting that he didn't say why he went to jail and spent about 25 minutes elaborating on his victimhood, so I looked it up and he was jailed for a massive financial fraud. Hmmm.

I gave up researching for this thread as it's so convoluted, but it's very instructive to look into Joe Sr's bio. I have no idea who the Adonis actor was/is who played the adult JFK Jr - I came across more details that have convinced me of the switch that I mentioned in this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1395477&viewfull=1#post1395477), but I don't believe that the truth will ever come to light. For anyone who is interested in doing so - look closely at the photos.

[TomKat]

If you can't imagine Sean saying Hapsburg when he meant Hanover, or having once heard Hanover and misremembering it as Hapsburg, then you haven't listened to him very much.

BTW it's Habsburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_Monarchy); I know it sounds like Hapsburg but that's a common misspelling. I distinctly remember him saying a "Habsburg takeover of the British monarchy", but if he meant Hanover it's still wrong as Victoria was born into the house of Hanover, and was the 6th Hanoverian monarch. So, no takeover there. In my opinion, any researcher who can't get their facts right just isn't credible; we shouldn't be having to guess what they're really trying to say, that's ridiculous.

Hs anyone checked out Sean's claim to be related to the Kennedys? Easy enough to do online these days, but I'm tied up with other stuff right now and don't have time. He says Joe Sr was a "great-uncle or something" to his mother. Looking at the Kennedy family, Joe Sr had 3 siblings. When Rose died in 1995 she had 28 grandchildren and 41 great-grandchildren, and there must be many more great-grandchildren now.

So, that's a very big family if you include the descendants of Joe Sr's siblings, so being distantly related doesn't mean that you were in the bosom of the famous branch of the family.

That's if his claim is true; it was interesting that he didn't say why he went to jail and spent about 25 minutes elaborating on his victimhood, so I looked it up and he was jailed for a massive financial fraud. Hmmm.

I gave up researching for this thread as it's so convoluted, but it's very instructive to look into Joe Sr's bio. I have no idea who the Adonis actor was/is who played the adult JFK Jr - I came across more details that have convinced me of the switch that I mentioned in this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1395477&viewfull=1#post1395477), but I don't believe that the truth will ever come to light. For anyone who is interested in doing so - look closely at the photos.

Sean David Morton is a big can of worms and if you're just hearing about him, there's a lot of background to cover -- not that it's worth it. Sean may be a lot of things, but researcher isn't one of them :-)