Is JFK Jr Still Alive?

[ThePythonicCow]

The following post is being written the evening of 29 July 2018, but I am back dating it three days, so that it appears first on this thread.

The purpose of this post is to explain the origins of this thread.

A week ago, a Q imposter named R showed up, claiming among other things that the son (JFK Jr) of assassinated US President John F Kennedy (JFK) had not died in an airplane crash in 1999, as we were told, but rather that he (JFK Jr) was still alive and well and was actually the one we know as Q.

This bit of intrigue was briefly noted in a few posts on the Q thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1238560&viewfull=1#post1238560), such as this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1237160&viewfull=1#post1237160) and a few other nearby posts, and then quickly forgotten.

But the speculations regarding JFK Jr resurfaced over the last three days, resulting in an extensive, perhaps still ongoing, discussion:

There were a couple more comments on the Q thread, and
Chanie started her own thread on the topic.

Since Chanie's new thread fit in well with the existing comments on the Q thread, I merged her thread into the Q thread.

However the discussion of JFK Jr took on a life of its own and began to overwhelm the rest of the Q thread.

So I am undoing my thread merge of three days ago, and moving the discussion regarding "Is JFK Jr Still Alive?" back out to this, once again, separate thread.

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The next 37 posts below (Post #2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1238002&viewfull=1#post1238002) through Post #38 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1238518&viewfull=1#post1238518)) are the posts I am just now moving out of the Q thread, onto this new split thread.

See Post #5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1238115&viewfull=1#post1238115), below, for the post which was originally Chanie's opening post, on the original version of this "Is JFK Jr Still Alive?" thread.

Any subsequent posts on this thread will of course be posts added in the future, regarding this topic, to this now once again separate thread.

[KiwiElf]

Sidestepping a bit re JFK Jnr faking his own death...

This has had me really intrigued since the topic was raised and after hunting down the NZ Aircraft Register, I've just gotten off the phone with a pilot who flies a Piper Cherokee Six, forerunner to the Piper Saratoga which JFK Jnr was flying (essentially the same airplane but with different wings & retractable undercarriage). They're quite a rare beast in NZ. To cut a long story short, if three people wanted to bale out of such an aircraft (in a hypothetical "emergency" - incl the pilot), & it had a good auto pilot, it could be done. (There are a lot of other caveats in there but it is possible).

Feel free to fire any questions and if any other fellow aviators on Avalon (we have a few!) could throw in their 10 cents worth, I'd be very interested! :)

[Bill Ryan]

Sidestepping a bit re JFK Jnr faking his own death...

This has had me really intrigued since the topic was raised and after hunting down the NZ Aircraft Register, I've just gotten off the phone with a pilot who flies a Piper Cherokee Six, forerunner to the Piper Saratoga which JFK Jnr was flying (essentially the same airplane but with different wings & retractable undercarriage). They're quite a rare beast in NZ. To cut a long story short, if three people wanted to bale out of such an aircraft (in a hypothetical "emergency" - incl the pilot), & it had a good auto pilot, it could be done. (There are a lot of other caveats in there but it is possible).

Feel free to fire any questions and if any other fellow aviators on Avalon (we have a few!) could throw in their 10 cents worth, I'd be very interested! :)

I'm posting a response that was e-mailed in by a longstanding Avalon supporter and guest (a non-member who reads regularly):

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Dear Bill:

Feel free to share this on the forum if you think it is fitting.

On the “Q” anon thread, KiwiElf just asked any aviators if it is possible for the Kennedy group flying in JFK Jr’s Piper Saratoga to bail out in an emergency. I think it is extremely unlikely, if not impossible given the situation the plane was in just before impact.

I should include a little about my own experience as a pilot before launching further into my own speculation. I logged my first instruction in 1966 and have flown more or less continually since then. I got my Instrument and Commercial Multi certification in1982 and flew for several years as a “freight dogger” flying freight, mail and bank checks at night in weather that was sometimes very, very uncomfortable. Most recently I flew “flightseeing” tours for a local fixed wing operator, showing off the beautiful island where I live and enjoying the “oooh’s” and “aaah’s” which the beauty invoked. I have made my own mistakes and have lived to tell about it, so what I have to say about JFK Jr is not at all judgmental. There but for the grace of God…

One more thing: When I first started flying freight I experienced something my Instrument instructors had warned me about (and had simulated with me during my training) except this time it was for real — spacial disorientation. Spacial disorientation occurs when you do not have an outside horizon to help you orient yourself visually, and it is very, very scary. Instructors POUND into students heads “If this happens, doubt your body and believe your instruments, even if you have to lie down on the seat to feel like you are flying upright”. When it happened to me I was solo, a relatively inexperienced IFR pilot and I had to consciously fight down panic.

JFK Jr most likely got himself into that same situation that night in 1999. He was a relatively low time pilot, he had spread his private pilot training over several years did not log very many hours per year, which suggests he was probably not very proficient. He had just up graded into a complex, fast, six place single and did not have many transition hours under his belt. He had just recently started his Instrument training, but had only completed the first lesson, which took him three hours of instructional training to pass, tracking a navigational radio signal called VOR omnidirectional range.

That fatal night in 1999 JFK Jr did not file a flight plan and did not call Flight Serve for a weather briefing for his flight to Martha’s Vineyard. He radioed the Essex tower for taxi and takeoff, and that was the last communication that he made.

The weather was marginal VFR (Visual Flight Rules), it was nearly sunset, and the temperature/dew point spread was one degree and had been steadily closing, conditions which meant that moisture would soon be condensing and clouds/fog forming. In fact, his Instrument instructor called him just before the flight and suggested that he ride along because he was so concerned about the weather. JFK Jr’s response was a bone chilling “I want to do it on my own.”

He had broken his left ankle 23 days earlier and was still in an air cast. A few days before the flight his instructor had to jump on the left rudder pedal during taxi because JFK Jr. was unable to turn the plane to the left down the taxiway.

Why did he choose to fly that night? He must have felt something that every experienced pilot has felt at least once. It’s called “GetThereItis”. This was an important flight, there was a wedding involved and people were waiting for the Kennedy group. He had been caught in a 2 hour traffic jam on his way to the airport which must have added stress. He and his wife were going to drop his wife's sister off on Martha’s Vineyard and then fly on up to Hyannis Port. The pressure to complete the mission must have been heavy on his shoulders. I know from personal experience the “no-go” decision is extremely hard to make when you have to tell people (who were depending on you!) that you are not experienced enough to make the flight. Ask me how I know.

The weather was bad enough that another pilot making the same trip from Essex to Martha’s Vineyard made the no-go decision. He had been caught in the same traffic jam and had arrived at Essex Airport at the same time as the Kennedy party. Inside the office where the Kennedy plane was parked, several fuelers were sitting around telling stories because no one was flying and there was nothing to do but keep the lights on. They spotted the Kennedy party at the plane, loading it up and boarding. They gathered at the window watching with interest — who was that? One man and two women, the man was using a crutch. When the pilot went to board they saw him sit on the wing and slide himself up to the door on his butt, which makes sense because the first step JFK Jr had to make to climb on board was a step located just behind the wing which requires you to mount with your left foot if you want to be facing forward.

The route he flew was a good choice, up the coast basically keeping the ocean on his right and land on his left. No expert navigational skill needed. But visibility was getting steadily worse, and it was barely VFR by the time he turned east out over the ocean. It’s curious to me that JFK Jr did not talk to anyone during the flight. I would have been on the radio the whole way, even flying under visual flight rules, getting weather updates. If he had wanted to he could have been on Flight Following talking to ATC controllers the whole trip, on ATC’s radar, which means ATC knows your exact position and altitude. They provide you with traffic advisories and are instantly ready to assist if something goes wrong.

What JFK Jr did is legal as long as you stay out of controlled airspace, but ATC is there to help you and many a controller has saved a pilot’s butt. JFK Jr was truly on his own. I just don’t understand. Maybe he was nervous about communicating with ATC, which is totally understandable, but in that case he should have had an experienced person sitting right next to him.

I think it was when he reached Long Island Sound (?) that his radar track shows him turning right to head out to Martha’s Vineyard. He had just crossed in front of a commercial airliner which was doing an instrument approach. The pilot in the commercial jet was warned by ATC that there was an unidentified target crossing in front of him and that they (ATC) weren't talking to him. The pilot of the commercial jet finally spotted JFK Jr's plane and remarked to ATC “I don’t know who that is but he has no business out in this weather”.

It is pretty obvious to me that JRK Jr was making some pretty bad decisions. He had flown over several airports by this time, and could have (should have) landed and checked the increasingly deteriorating weather situation with two feet on the ground.

As he turned East, he was also was turning his back on coastal lights and facing an inky black ocean and inky black sky which offered no horizontal orientation. In that situation your only salvation is your instruments, but you need to be able to scan six of these in a consistent, organized, disciplined manner, not losing track of what is happening, not getting fixated on one instrument, and able to instantly interpret what you are seeing. You’d be amazed at how much continual practice this takes, how much concentration and command. Even if you are an experienced pilot flying regular flights with years under your belt, a month long vacation can result in rust, which has a nasty way of creeping into the corners.

So here the Kennedy plane is flying into a black hole, piloted by an inexperienced pilot, mere minutes before going out of control, descending at 4000 feet per minute and pulling serious g’s. It's so typical of planes out of control that it has a name -- the infamous Graveyard Spiral. Your body is telling you that your wings are level, but your airspeed is building. This is confusing and shouldn't be happening. You pull back on the yoke to control airspeed, but what you are doing is tightening the spiral and making the situation worse. Within seconds it becomes unrecoverable.

At what point do you realize it’s an emergency and jump? You’ve got to make your move before it’s impossible to even unbuckle your seat belt or crawl out of your seat. That would have been several minutes earlier as you turned East. You also would also have had to brought along parachutes, which the Kennedy group did not have. (I never have, except during acrobatic training when they are required).

Even if they had realized it soon enough and jumped and parachuted down, they would be landing in a dark ocean, with no one even knowing they were in trouble.

His death broke my heart, just like his dad’s had nearly 40 years earlier. He had so much potential. I experienced a moment of excitement when the QAnon’s started talking about the possibility that Q was actually JFK Jr. It would have been a very nice twist indeed.

I hope this helps answer some of KiwiElf’s and others' questions.

Thank you once again, Bill for creating and maintaining Project Avalon, and thanks to all the wonderful contributors and lurkers who haunt this place.

Warm regards ~ [name provided]

[KiwiElf]

Thanks for that Bill (above) - however, it's virtually "verbatim" what the media said! It's a good summary of the "official" story.

There's nothing new in this. Period! (nor was it my point!). I'm quite familiar with most of the "story" variations (largely speculation), both from the media (who rarely get it right when it comes to aviation-related reporting), and "serious" aviation magazines such as FLYING.

No, sorry, it didn't answer anything that I'm not already familiar with, thanks. I've read the media garbage & the "official" reports, including the NTSB vsn. :)


(No offense, but please forgive me when it comes to my opinion of "official stories" these days; I think we all know what to make of the JFK, Roswell & 9-11 "official stories"?)

"Relatively inexperienced?" Respectfully, I disagree. Kennedy's experience was more than adequate for the flight.

Excerpt from the NTSB Report:

"The Board used the copied logbook, records from training facilities, copies of flight instructors' logbooks, and statements from instructors and pilots to estimate the pilot's total flight experience. The pilot's estimated total flight experience, excluding simulator training, was about 310 hours, of which 55 hours were at night. The pilot's estimated experience flying without a certified flight instructor (CFI) on board was about 72 hours. The pilot's estimated flight time in the accident airplane was about 36 hours, of which 9.4 hours were at night. Approximately 3 hours of that flight time was without a CFI on board, and about 0.8 hour of that time was flown at night, which included a night landing. In the 15 months before the accident, the pilot had flown about 35 flight legs either to or from the Essex County/Teterboro, New Jersey, area and the Martha's Vineyard/Hyannis, Massachusetts, area. The pilot flew over 17 of these legs without a CFI on board, including at least 5 at night. The pilot's last known flight in the accident airplane without a CFI on board was on May 28, 1999."

Let's put that in perspective:

The minimums are 20 hours for a sport pilot certificate, 30 hours for a recreational pilot certificate, and 40 hours for a private pilot certificate.

A commercial pilot certificate, requires 250 hours of flight time.

Requirements for Instrument Rating in the United States are listed in section 61.65 of the Federal Aviation Regulation[2] are:
50 hours of Pilot in Command cross country
40 hours of simulated or actual instrument time
15 hours of flight instruction towards instrument rating

While he may not have sat the actual tests, he had more than accumulated sufficient hours for competently handling that flight.

Has this "guest" actually flown time in a Cherokee Six or Piper Saratoga?

As "unlikely" as it may seem (I agree with that btw), ;) it's not impossible. That was my point. :waving:

If the "official" radar tracks are to be believed, Kennedy's plane did follow the mainland before it headed out to sea and crashed ... more than enough time for all three occupants to bale out...

You see, I'm not talking about the "just before" impact scenario... I'm talking before that while it was still over the coast, before it headed out to sea ...

I did say there were caveats to the theory, & the doors of this aircraft are just one of them. :)

To elaborate, the Cherokee Six is sometimes used as a skydiving plane, but ... with it's rear (left) side door removed. I directly asked the pilot I spoke to how easy it is to remove the hinge pins of this door (quite easy, as the aircraft is popular with small freight/cargo operators). We then proceeded to discuss it's removal during flight. Yes, it could be done. As it swings outward like a conventional car door, it would be almost impossible to open it fully at that speed. However, pull the two hinge pins and kick it out, no real problem.

Here are illustrations of a Piper Saratoga & its rear side doors: NOTE: The outward swinging door must be opened before the luggage door (not that it would be necessary to open/remove the luggage door to bale out/skydive).

(And ummm... NO,... I don't - and didn't - think for one second that JFK Jnr, (alive or dead), was "Q"...) :thumbsup:

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[Chanie]

One of my earliest memories revolves around the death of President John Kennedy. I was riding the school bus and someone mentioned that Kennedy had been shot. Being five years old and Canadian, I didn’t know who he was, but I burst into tears because I thought it was terribly sad. I sat glued to the black-and-white TV set for the next few days and looking back, I realize how much I identified with his young children.

Fast forward to the late ‘90’s in New York City. It was an early Sunday morning in the Village. My friends were to my left arguing over a map. I looked away to my right and suddenly saw JFK Jr sitting at an outdoor sidewalk cafe. He was by himself, reading a newspaper. His bike was propped up beside him. In my mind, he seemed such a lonely figure—that little boy I remembered. I didn’t have the heart to intrude on his privacy and after a moment, I looked away. I never mentioned it to my friends, but the news of his death felt personal somehow. I’m sure this is true for a lot of people.

So the idea that he might be alive and the hope that goes with it is intriguing.

I wanted to start a thread that would explore that idea. To be truthful, I don’t know how he would have been able to pull it off, but we know he had the financial resources and personal connections that might have helped him with the logistics.

I’ve been studying photos of JFK Jr and the man at the rally. From what I can see with a magnifying glass, it looks like JFK had a tiny mole on the pinky finger of his right hand. See: First photo attached below.

In the fuzzy picture of the man at the rally, you can see a similar mark in the same place. See: Second photo attached below.

Also, JFK Jr. was left-handed. In another photo of the rally man, he appears to be holding his hands the way a left-handed man would—with his right hand over his left. See: Third photo attached below.

The fact that the rally man might be left-handed and has a mole on the pinky finger of his right hand doesn’t prove anything, but it’s interesting.

[ThePythonicCow]

(No offense, but please forgive me when it comes to my opinion of "official stories" these days; I think we all know what to make of the JFK, Roswell & 9-11 "official stories"?)

Yes, Bill, and whomever sent that explanation to Bill - Thanks! It tells a convincing and well written report of what happened the evening of JFK Jr's death.

However, as a card carrying member of the Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy Theory Club (grin), I must share with KiwiElf a suspicion that, as seems to be the case more often than not, the true story and the public story might be worlds apart.

Moreover, as a regular reader of Miles Mathis, the idea that a famous figure would fake his death seems quite ordinary to me. For example, Miles has proposed, in this paper (http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf), both that the father, President JFK, faked his death in Dallas in November 1963, and that the son, JFK Jr, faked his death in 1999. Miles further predicts in that paper that JFK, Jr is still alive, and that his son, JFK the third (JFK III) is approaching 20 years of age now, and will soon have a dramatic role to play on the public scene.

For one detail that for me casts a shadow on the official story (and variants), if I intended to fake my death, I wouldn't rely on bailing out over the ocean in a fog. I might have taken off from the original airport, as described in this well written report, but I'd have found a safer and more reliable way back to the ground, perhaps sending on my boldest pilot to fly into the fog closer to Martha's Vineyard, the better to complete the faked scenario.

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On the other hand, I must grant that the speculation that JFK Jr. is still alive and might become a public participant in forthcoming revelations is just too delicious a rumor to quickly put out of my mind. Hence, if that speculation is like all the other delicious rumors I've enjoyed in my life, this rumor too will end up being fruitless.

[Noelle]

Miles further predicts in that paper that JFK, Jr is still alive, and that his son, JFK the third (JFK III) is approaching 20 years of age now, and will soon have a dramatic role to play on the public scene.


Like MJ, they've been hanging out in "The Great Forever," waiting for the right time. ;)

Just for something nice and light...
Lets listen to some music.

MJ died in 2009 yes?
Why then is he heard singing on his sisters song 4 years later?
This did happen, and flew right under the radar.

Why is this important?
The great forever.

Not effects.
12:06 AM - 16 Jun 2018
https://twitter.com/____Redacted___/status/1007836795856252929


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX9_B8z0AVg

[crosby]

(No offense, but please forgive me when it comes to my opinion of "official stories" these days; I think we all know what to make of the JFK, Roswell & 9-11 "official stories"?)

Yes, Bill, and whomever sent that explanation to Bill - Thanks! It tells a convincing and well written report of what happened the evening of JFK Jr's death.

However, as a card carrying member of the Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy Theory Club (grin), I must share with KiwiElf a suspicion that, as seems to be the case more often than not, the true story and the public story might be worlds apart.

Moreover, as a regular reader of Miles Mathis, the idea that a famous figure would fake his death seems quite ordinary to me. For example, Miles has proposed, in this paper (http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf), both that the father, President JFK, faked his death in Dallas in November 1963, and that the son, JFK Jr, faked his death in 1999. Miles further predicts in that paper that JFK, Jr is still alive, and that his son, JFK the third (JFK III) is approaching 20 years of age now, and will soon have a dramatic role to play on the public scene.

For one detail that for me casts a shadow on the official story (and variants), if I intended to fake my death, I wouldn't rely on bailing out over the ocean in a fog. I might have taken off from the original airport, as described in this well written report, but I'd have found a safer and more reliable way back to the ground, perhaps sending on my boldest pilot to fly into the fog closer to Martha's Vineyard, the better to complete the faked scenario.

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On the other hand, I must grant that the speculation that JFK Jr. is still alive and might become a public participant in forthcoming revelations is just too delicious a rumor to quickly put out of my mind. Hence, if that speculation is like all the other delicious rumors I've enjoyed in my life, this rumor too will end up being fruitless.

Here is something to consider: There may be much truth in high profile people faking their own deaths. I am really good friends and a work colleague of the original drummer from a 1970's high profile music group. His death from 'cancer' was paid for by him and highly successful for him. Now he lives a relatively quiet and private life. He went on to have a very successful career as a band director for a prominent local university. His experience in the music industry nearly killed him emotionally and physically. He found out what he could do and chose that path. It saved his life. He married and had seven children and now has three grandchildren that he can enjoy anytime he likes. So in my humble opinion, the possibility that JFK. Jr., faked his own death has merit.
warmest,
crosby

[ThePythonicCow]

One of my earliest memories revolves around the death of President John Kennedy. I was riding the school bus and someone mentioned that Kennedy had been shot. Being five years old and Canadian, I didn’t know who he was, but I burst into tears because I thought it was terribly sad. I sat glued to the black-and-white TV set for the next few days and looking back, I realize how much I identified with his young children.

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The fact that the rally man might be left-handed and has a mole on the pinky finger of his right hand doesn’t prove anything, but it’s interesting.
Chanie started a separate thread with this post, that I have now merged above into this thread, as it fit rather well with the discussion here.

[Chanie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvFs8elSOOY
I’ve looked through some of the film footage from the 2017 rally in Ohio. It’s over six hours long and here’s what I’ve noted:

2:31:49 The man who is said to be JFK Jr. arrives with the woman who has been said to be his wife Carolyn. Not too far behind them are two children—a boy in a red shirt and a girl in a blue top. They start down the same row—the way you would if you were attending an event with your parents. There is a burly guy not too far behind them.

2:33:13 By this point, the two kids are moving to the front row—a different row from the woman.

2:33:15. You can see the “JFK” man leave.

At this point, I skipped forward to:

4:05:58 The woman takes her hat off. She is sitting by an empty reserved seat.

4:07:20 There is a good close up of the woman without her hat. She has her dark-ish hair in a bun.

4:11:01 The big burly guy in a Trump t-shirt is talking to her.

4:12:50 Two women try to take the empty reserved seat by the woman and get moved.

4:14:02 One of the women comes back and tries to take the seat again. An African American man in a nice looking suit sits down and moves her away.

4:14:38 A second man comes and sits down by her.

4:15:34 The two men swap places. The African American man starts talking to her and then, both men are talking to her.

4:16:36 The burly man points in her direction. He is talking to the man beside him.

4:26:26 The men on both sides talk for a moment.

4:28:13 On the far left of the screen, the “JFK” man enters moving right. Just before he arrives, some protestors start heckling. He sits between the burly man and the woman. He talks to the woman and seems to know her.

4:58:49 Trump arrives. By this point, the African American man seems to have disappeared. He’s not beside the woman.

5:07:05 Trump makes a reference to fake news and says, “Fake news. Fake, fake, fake news.” As he says this, he turns and looks at the “JFK” man. The burly man is laughing like he gets the joke.

5:08:05 The woman is talking to the tall man beside her as Trump says, “Is there any place safer than a Trump rally?”

5:17:56 The boy in the red shirt is clapping. He is left-handed.

5:28:35 Trump makes a reference to the turn of the millenium. As he says this, he turns and bows at the “JFK” man. The “JFK” man bows back at him.

5:38:47 Trump turns and looks at the “JFK” man again.

5:58:58 The “JFK” man gets up and leaves right at the end of the speech. He leaves before Trump leaves. He also leaves the woman and kids behind.

My impression is that whoever these people were, they were surrounded by (and being protected by) security and that Trump knew them.

[crosby]

Chanie, thank you so much for pointing this information out. I just never noticed it - - I am watching it now and I do see exactly what you have stated. Excellent breakdown!!!!
warmest,
crosby

[Chanie]

Chanie, thank you so much for pointing this information out. I just never noticed it - - I am watching it now and I do see exactly what you have stated.
You’re welcome! Everyone has been linking the man, woman and kids together saying it was JFK Jr, Carolyn and their two kids, but they were mostly focused on the part where Trump speaks. It occurred to me that if they were indeed a family, they might arrive together. This prompted me to sit through earlier portions of the film footage and as you’ve seen, it did show them arriving together so I think the speculation is correct—that the four people are likely husband, wife and kids.

[ThePythonicCow]

... so I think the speculation is correct—that the four people are likely husband, wife and kids.
... and people of some means, who can afford a serious security detail.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Right off I felt like the story was true - intuition, or maybe I just wanted it to be true.

The piece that is questionable for me is the sister-in-law Lauren Bessette.

I can see why JFK, Jr and wife would want to disappear - the press was hounding them unmercifully. He was use to it, but as I recall, she was rather shy and wasn't doing well with all the media attention. And the facts the paparazzi (allegedly )played in the death of Princess Di just 2 years earlier would still have been fresh in their minds.

But why involve Carolyn's sister?

I hope someone can come up with a good answer as I am not ready to let go of this story. It's just too good and would be so perfect. (and don't say to good to be true! I don't want to here it.)

[Chanie]

The piece that is questionable for me is the sister-in-law Lauren Bessette.

I can see why JFK, Jr and wife would want to disappear - But why involve Carolyn's sister?

The best explanation I’ve seen is that Carolyn’s sister Lauren had a twin.

See: https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jul/19/kennedy.usa7

In theory, Lauren would be able to pose as her sister Lisa if she wanted to make a visit home to her parents. In this case, her parents and sister would have to be in on the secret.

If true, how many people knew? And how did they keep it a secret this long? Perhaps a serious death threat against a loved one is a powerful motivation to remain silent?

Having watched the Ohio rally footage, I think it is interesting that the “JFK” man arrived at the last minute; that as he did a protester started heckling to the far right of the screen—which would draw the crowd’s eye away from his arrival; and that he was wedged in between a group of security people; and that he left before Trump and without his wife and kids. If it was JFK Jr. and he is the main target of the death threat, it makes sense to get him out of there before the crowd starts moving.

[Chanie]

... and people of some means, who can afford a serious security detail.

The security people were obviously part of Trump’s team, but the interesting thing is how much interaction they had with the “Carolyn” woman—how they talked to her and shooed the other women away.

They didn’t interact with the “JFK” man as much although at one point, I saw a tall man squat down behind him which made me wonder if he was saying something to him. Mostly, they seemed to be ignoring him—perhaps not wanting to draw attention to him?

[mgray]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.

[KiwiElf]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.

But if you were JFK Jnr & wanted to fake your own death as part of this bigger "plan", would you risk "coming back" looking remotely as you did before? Too recognisable. Plastic Surgery.

Let's rewind, quite a bit... (The rest of this post is mostly for you, Chanie... and anyone else who's interested! ;))

For those who have been following MegAnon & "Q", we know there is a "Plan". We also know the "plan" started well before Trump even announced he was running, in fact it goes way back to before 9-11. It goes back to when JFK Jnr would have still been alive.

What if...? :sherlock:

JFK Jnr was a person of means & well connected. Is it possible that all those years ago, the people behind "the plan" - we'll call them the Whitehats; the good guys in the military & intelligence forces who are protecting & backing Trump now, decided with JFK Jnr's cooperation (might have even been his idea), to fake JFK's death in a plane accident, eventually to surface in the future to play all of this out? They just had to wait for the right timing & candidate to come along. Trump.

Kennedy's history as a politician (and pilot) reveal some interesting pointers;

Had he "lived", the evidence suggests he was about to expose who killed his father, JFK. It's also likely he would have pursued a career in politics and perhaps even run for President himself. (And he probably would have been assassinated, like his father before him).

So, the "plan" was born, & changed all that. This way, with the vast resources of the Whitehats, JFK Jnr could accomplish much more. Together, they could expose & topple the entire global swamp. It would take years to accomplish. It would have to be done covertly, in the background and nothing left to chance.

Part of that plan, was for JFK Jnr to fake his own death along with his wife & Lauren. He could then dedicate the next few years to making the "plan" work in the background, together with the Whitehats, pooling their knowledge, gathering & fitting all the pieces together.

As technology changed over the years & with the global advent & popularity of the internet & smartphones, it was actually making their job easier.

Now, I said there were caveats to all this right at the beginning of the topic being raised about JFK Jnr faking his death, and to pull it off, it would need some "extraordinary resources" - the resources & cooperation of the Whitehats to do it.

Here are some more of those caveats:

The plane crash itself isn't really a biggie to pull off. A slight change of route, all three bale out over the mainland, safely picked up by the Whitehats & spirited away with new identities, plastic surgery, a "protective custody" of sorts. The plane's autopilot locked to a specific set of waypoints along the way with radio transmissions supposedly coming from the plane but actually coming from the ground (I haven't yet been able to find any definitive radar tracks of the plane's actual course, speeds enroute etc - just the last few minutes leading up to the crash!). Remotely hack the autopilot - which we know can & could be done, even then - & dive the now empty plane at full throttle into the ocean. We have it do some carefully planned gyrations beforehand to make it "look like" Kennedy was lost & experiencing "spatial disorientation").

Meanwhile, in the months leading up to this, the Kennedy group, with the help of Whitehats, had meticulously built a narrative for witnesses, friends, and most importantly, the fakestream media, that Kennedy was inexperienced, (despite the glaring fact he'd flown the route numerous times - was he "practising/rehearsing"?), that the plane was a "hotrod" (it wasn't), marriage problems, broken ankle (& having his instructor swerve the plane taxiing in an earlier incident lalala... you get the picture? All a plausible & believable "story". (Feign left & duck & roll to the right).

Well, with those kind of "hypothetical helpers" (the Whitehats), how difficult would it be to fudge those radar tracks, the few radio transmissions & even the accident report itself?

But what of the three bodies that were located with the wreckage? If they weren't the Kennedy group, who were they?

If you're familiar with the crash report & events which unfolded after the crash, it took hours to find the plane, way longer than it should have. Easy, put some already dead & mangled virtually unidentifiable cadavers in there with divers before the unsuspecting rescue teams show up? It's been done before! Which would mean the pathologists & surviving family members etc, were "in on it" too. (We all know there's nothing new or impossible here. It was done with JFK's coverup too).

Here's a few other little pointers and you'll need to refer to the NTSB report here:

https://www.ntsb.gov/about/employment/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20001212X19354&ntsbno=NYC99MA178&akey=1

Virtually none of the right hand side of the fuselage was found - very strange. The right hand front passenger seat, not found (the one next to the pilot). The two bodies of the women, still strapped to their seats were found outside the plane. The pilot, still strapped to his seat inside the plane.

Although a small part of the roof attached to the main support of the left rear passenger door was found (see my earlier post & illustrations of the plane), there's no indication that the door itself was found. There was also mention of major fuselage compression around this area. Evidence that the door had come off - or been removed - before the plane crashed? (Without the door being latched, you have a "weak" area which is easily compressed under impact, a bit like cutting the roof off your car; the roof is an integral part of the car's overall crash resistance. Without it, the car would just fold in half at impact).

There are a whole lot more other unusual aspects about this for those who look. It has all the makings of a first class cover up. A couple of really good videos out there, too. (If you look)!.

Like I said, "improbable, but not impossible". ;)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

But if you were JFK Jnr & wanted to fake your own death as part of this bigger "plan", would you risk "coming back" looking remotely as you did before? Too recognisable. Plastic Surgery.

Let's rewind, quite a bit... (The rest of this post is mostly for you, Chanie... and anyone else who's interested! ;))


What if...? :sherlock:

JFK Jnr was a person of means & well connected. Is it possible that all those years ago, the people behind "the plan" - we'll call them the Whitehats; the good guys in the military & intelligence forces who are protecting & backing Trump now, decided with JFK Jnr's cooperation (might have even been his idea), to fake JFK's death in a plane accident, eventually to surface in the future to play all of this out? They just had to wait for the right timing & candidate to come along. Trump.





OK KiwiElf, let's go with that.

Where do you think they would have settled. Someplace in US would have been challenging, due to high profiles. Even with her darkened hair, her features are distinct, even in a small town here they would be taking a chance.

Greece? He lived there for a while as a youngster when his mother married Onassis. Did he learn the language?


Guatemala?
This from wikipedia: In 1976, Kennedy and his cousin visited an earthquake disaster zone at Rabinal in Guatemala, helping with heavy building work and distributing food. The local priest said that they "ate what the people of Rabinal ate and dressed in Guatemalan clothes and slept in tents like most of the earthquake victims," adding that the two "did more for their country's image" in Guatemala "than a roomful of ambassadors" Did he become familiar w/ Spanish while there. I would think he would have gotten to know a little and have a comfort with the countryside.

On his sixteenth birthday, Kennedy's Secret Service protection ended, and he spent the summer of 1978 working as a wrangler in Wyoming. So, he wasn't afraid of hard labor, which could explain his rough look at the Rally. He also went on kayak expedition to the Åland Archipelago, he traveled to India spending some time at the University of Delhi,and in his teens went to Africa on a pioneering course, where he rescued his group, which had gotten lost for two days without food or water, and won points for leadership.

All of the above suggests he would be comfortable in a foreign country. OTOH, with his $$, he could buy a big ranch in Wyoming that was isolated. Although I personally think he was too social to be isolated for long.

But this was the surprise conponent for me: ACTING
Again from Wikipedia. he had done a bit of acting, which was one of his passions (he had appeared in many plays while at Brown). He expressed interest in acting as a career, but his mother strongly disapproved of it, as an unsuitable profession. On August 4, 1985, Kennedy made his New York acting debut in front of an invitation-only audience at the Irish Theater on Manhattan's West Side. Executive director of the Irish Arts Center, Nye Heron, said that Kennedy was "one of the best young actors I've seen in years".[18] Kennedy's director, Robin Saex, stated, "He has an earnestness that just shines through." Kennedy's largest acting role was playing a fictionalized version of himself in the season-eight episode of sitcom Murphy Brown, called "Altered States". In this episode, Kennedy visits Brown at her office, in order to promote a magazine he is publishing.

OK, so now we have a guy who possibly was still a frustrated actor - was being hounded by the press and had a wife who wasn't handling that publicity well.

So, he writes a script where he can act for the remainder of his life.

If it turns out he's really dead, I have first dibs on writing a movie script.:happythumbsup:

[KiwiElf]

I've just added the very detailed NTSB Report to my post Ba-ba-ra.

If this scenario is "sort-of" correct, (and with all the stuff "Q" & the Anons have exposed over the last few months, I'm beginning to believe ANYthing is possible), my guess is that he & wife etc would settle overseas, somewhere really out of the mainstream, while maintaining contact with the Whitehats and whoever else was necessary to the "plan". Greece could certainly be a possibility, given Jackie's later marriage to Onassis (and their many other valuable connections/resources/contacts! Heck, Onassis was shady enough! (he'd love it) LOL). :sherlock:

It would sure make a great movie ;) (and hey, you saw it here on Avalon first - I get copyright on the plot!) :p :thumbsup: :bigsmile:

[Chanie]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.

Not to worry! If it turns out all the speculation is incorrect and JFK Jr. is dead, he won’t be any more dead than he was in 1999. I just think the notion that he’s still alive is a really interesting idea—one that I truly hope is true.

I suspect he would clean up really well—that a haircut and shave etc. would work wonders. JFK Jr. was one of the most photographed people in the world. He’d have to make some drastic changes to his appearance to avoid being recognized.

Also, his grandfather was known as “Black Jack” Bouvier because of his swarthy complexion.

See: http://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/jackie-kennedy-1st-black-first-lady/

I worked as a professional researcher for twenty years and once had a private detective/client tell me that I could easily go into that line of work. And the one thing I know from that experience is that the difference between a good researcher and a great one is gut instinct—being able to make those intuitive leaps in understanding.

Whether the rumours are true or whether it turns out to be the hoax of the century, my gut instinct tells me that it is worthy of my attention as a researcher. That’s good enough for me.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.

Dang - there's always someone in the crowd who wants to rain a few drops of reality onto our delightful fantasies :).

[Chanie]

For those who have been following MegAnon & "Q", we know there is a "Plan". We also know the "plan" started well before Trump even announced he was running, in fact it goes way back to before 9-11. It goes back to when JFK Jnr would have still been alive.

What if...? :sherlock:

JFK Jnr was a person of means & well connected. Is it possible that all those years ago, the people behind "the plan" - we'll call them the Whitehats; the good guys in the military & intelligence forces who are protecting & backing Trump now, decided with JFK Jnr's cooperation (might have even been his idea), to fake JFK's death in a plane accident, eventually to surface in the future to play all of this out? They just had to wait for the right timing & candidate to come along. Trump.

Kennedy's history as a politician (and pilot) reveal some interesting pointers;

Had he "lived", the evidence suggests he was about to expose who killed his father, JFK. It's also likely he would have pursued a career in politics and perhaps even run for President himself. (And he probably would have been assassinated, like his father before him).

So, the "plan" was born, & changed all that. This way, with the vast resources of the Whitehats, JFK Jnr could accomplish much more. Together, they could expose & topple the entire global swamp. It would take years to accomplish. It would have to be done covertly, in the background and nothing left to chance.

Part of that plan, was for JFK Jnr to fake his own death along with his wife & Lauren. He could then dedicate the next few years to making the "plan" work in the background, together with the Whitehats, pooling their knowledge, gathering & fitting all the pieces together.

As technology changed over the years & with the global advent & popularity of the internet & smartphones, it was actually making their job easier.

Now, I said there were caveats to all this right at the beginning of the topic being raised about JFK Jnr faking his death, and to pull it off, it would need some "extraordinary resources" - the resources & cooperation of the Whitehats to do it.

Here are some more of those caveats:

The plane crash itself isn't really a biggie to pull off. A slight change of route, all three bale out over the mainland, safely picked up by the Whitehats & spirited away with new identities, plastic surgery, a "protective custody" of sorts. The plane's autopilot locked to a specific set of waypoints along the way with radio transmissions supposedly coming from the plane but actually coming from the ground (I haven't yet been able to find any definitive radar tracks of the plane's actual course, speeds enroute etc - just the last few minutes leading up to the crash!). Remotely hack the autopilot - which we know can & could be done, even then - & dive the now empty plane at full throttle into the ocean. We have it do some carefully planned gyrations beforehand to make it "look like" Kennedy was lost & experiencing "spatial disorientation").

Meanwhile, in the months leading up to this, the Kennedy group, with the help of Whitehats, had meticulously built a narrative for witnesses, friends, and most importantly, the fakestream media, that Kennedy was inexperienced, (despite the glaring fact he'd flown the route numerous times - was he "practising/rehearsing"?), that the plane was a "hotrod" (it wasn't), marriage problems, broken ankle (& having his instructor swerve the plane taxiing in an earlier incident lalala... you get the picture? All a plausible & believable "story". (Feign left & duck & roll to the right).

Well, with those kind of "hypothetical helpers" (the Whitehats), how difficult would it be to fudge those radar tracks, the few radio transmissions & even the accident report itself?

But what of the three bodies that were located with the wreckage? If they weren't the Kennedy group, who were they?

If you're familiar with the crash report & events which unfolded after the crash, it took hours to find the plane, way longer than it should have. Easy, put some already dead & mangled virtually unidentifiable cadavers in there with divers before the unsuspecting rescue teams show up? It's been done before! Which would mean the pathologists & surviving family members etc, were "in on it" too. (We all know there's nothing new or impossible here. It was done with JFK's coverup too).

Here's a few other little pointers and you'll need to refer to the NTSB report here:

https://www.ntsb.gov/about/employment/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20001212X19354&ntsbno=NYC99MA178&akey=1

Virtually none of the right hand side of the fuselage was found - very strange. The right hand front passenger seat, not found (the one next to the pilot). The two bodies of the women, still strapped to their seats were found outside the plane. The pilot, still strapped to his seat inside the plane.

Although a small part of the roof attached to the main support of the left rear passenger door was found (see my earlier post & illustrations of the plane), there's no indication that the door itself was found. There was also mention of major fuselage compression around this area. Evidence that the door had come off - or been removed - before the plane crashed? (Without the door being latched, you have a "weak" area which is easily compressed under impact, a bit like cutting the roof off your car; the roof is an integral part of the car's overall crash resistance. Without it, the car would just fold in half at impact).

There are a whole lot more other unusual aspects about this for those who look. It has all the makings of a first class cover up. A couple of really good videos out there, too. (If you look)!.

Like I said, "improbable, but not impossible". ;)

Thanks for this post, KiwiElf!

Yes, JFK Jr. likely had connections with people in the military. His dad was in the Navy and then, President. He was surrounded by security people as a child. His extended family would have also had these types of contacts.

By all accounts, he was investigating his dad’s assassination and also thinking of running for a Senate seat in New York. We know who got this seat after his death.

My guess is that someone got wind of a plot to kill him and went to him.

The first priority would be to stage the death and get him and Carolyn to safety.

I agree that the military would have the know-how to stage an event like this and to fudge the details. I don’t think autopies were done; they were cremated immediately and their ashes were spread at sea. I read somewhere that some of the paperwork was deliberately destroyed to “spare the family,” but I haven’t done any research on this.

I’m wondering if there would be a way to pull some kind of switcheroo on the tarmac? That would be easier than jumping out of a plane. Again, I haven’t researched this and wasn’t there, but I’m wondering if people saw them walk to the plane and thought they saw them board and take off, but that they were somehow whisked away and a military pilot took his place in the cockpit? Just speculation on my part.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they went overseas initially. At some point, I think they’d want to come back to the U.S.A. I’m also guessing that they would want their children to be born in the U.S.A. Is that important if they want to run for office someday?

There’s lots to think about!

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.

I suspect he would clean up really well—that a haircut and shave etc. would work wonders. JFK Jr. was one of the most photographed people in the world. He’d have to make some drastic changes to his appearance to avoid being recognized.With his acting instincts, financial resources, life in the public limelight since birth, and many years to refine the role, he would be able to far more than most of us to "look the part" of whatever role he chose to play any given day.

[KiwiElf]

Yes. My thoughts, too.

Or two planes? One an identical replica of Kennedy's; Kennedy flies the cloned aircraft to another airfield entirely, they all disembark without any drama. Another pilot (s), possibly military Navy or highly skilled flies the real JFK plane down the Rhode island coast & bales out enroute, then it's remotely crashed. Transponders can easily be turned off while a second aircraft tucks in close.

What if the delayed flight was actually all part of the plan? (Again, adds to the story of "get-there-itis" - how convenient). The darkness would cover it. There are any number of private and small strips where Kennedy could safely land. (I'm thinking probably military tho)

Or as you say; a simple switcheroo on the tarmac, possibly with body doubles. It's really not that difficult to do. ;)

[Chanie]

Or two planes? One an identical replica of Kennedy's; Kennedy flies the cloned aircraft to another airfield entirely, they all disembark without any drama. Another pilot (s), possibly military Navy or highly skilled flies the real JFK plane down the Rhode island coast & bales out enroute, then it's remotely crashed. Transponders can easily be turned off while a second aircraft tucks in close.

What if the delayed flight was actually all part of the plan? (Again, adds to the story of "get-there-itis" - how convenient). The darkness would cover it. There are any number of private and small strips where Kennedy could safely land. (I'm thinking probably military tho)

Oh, I hadn’t thought of two planes, but that would make a lot of sense—the most sense, really. I do think they would have had needed military help to pull it off.

[KiwiElf]

Or two planes? One an identical replica of Kennedy's; Kennedy flies the cloned aircraft to another airfield entirely, they all disembark without any drama. Another pilot (s), possibly military Navy or highly skilled flies the real JFK plane down the Rhode island coast & bales out enroute, then it's remotely crashed. Transponders can easily be turned off while a second aircraft tucks in close.

What if the delayed flight was actually all part of the plan? (Again, adds to the story of "get-there-itis" - how convenient). The darkness would cover it. There are any number of private and small strips where Kennedy could safely land. (I'm thinking probably military tho)

Oh, I hadn’t thought of two planes, but that would make a lot of sense—the most sense, really. I do think they would have had needed military help to pull it off.

Oh Drats... I'll have to change my plot. Far less dramatic. The fake bodies (cadavers) are loaded into the real Kennedy plane before hand; the substitute pilot flies from the right front seat, and bales. (He could easily remove the latch pins from the right front pilot's door or blow it off, OR similar scenario as previous; climb into the back passenger compartment (there's a big gap between the two front & middle seats; it can be configured as a seven seater, three across the middle row), & exit through the left rear side door). And then, as above. No Navy divers needed! :thumbsup::p

Yes, it would need some specialised (military?) help to do it. But again, not all that difficult. Money talks! ;)

[mgray]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.

I suspect he would clean up really well—that a haircut and shave etc. would work wonders. JFK Jr. was one of the most photographed people in the world. He’d have to make some drastic changes to his appearance to avoid being recognized.With his acting instincts, financial resources, life in the public limelight since birth, and many years to refine the role, he would be able to far more than most of us to "look the part" of whatever role he chose to play any given day.

Last word on this from me. A death certificate in his name really precludes him from accessing this wealth he was entitled to.

[Chanie]

Last word on this from me. A death certificate in his name really precludes him from accessing this wealth he was entitled to.

You can still have the last word if you want it. 🙂

I’m assuming he would have squirreled money away offshore and have had the financial connections to do this. In an era prior to the Internet, this would have been harder to trace. Or if the money went to his sister Caroline and her kids, she might have just given the money back to him. I’m sure there would be ways to do this.

The harder part would be faking the death so it was believable and then, not being recognized.

[turiya]

Well, let me help in bringing this off-topic subject to a close....

So please, give me a break, if you think this man has any resemblance to JFK jr....
The man's name is Vincent Fusca, according to this link (https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/90811g/hooded_man_holds_up_photo_of_a_van_behind_trump/) that takes you over to a Reddit page.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DijidnNW0AM8Bit.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/Vfw2Vsg.jpg)

Saccone rallies with miners in Waynesburg (http://www.post-gazette.com/local/south/2018/03/06/Saccone-rallies-with-miners-in-Waynesburg/stories/201803050180)
https://9b16f79ca967fd0708d1-2713572fef44aa49ec323e813b06d2d9.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/600x_a4-3_cTC/20180305acRickSacconeRally06-1-1532175700.jpg (http://www.post-gazette.com/local/south/2018/03/06/Saccone-rallies-with-miners-in-Waynesburg/stories/201803050180)
Vince Fusca is working for the Rick Saccone campaign.



https://cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/rick-saccone-guy-reschenthaler.jpg?w=420&h=236

https://d2xsarh0aq9fsq.cloudfront.net/00/69/59/50/0069595004.8d2cb8f4a5bd38ded6ffef9a02ea3d136ab53d3707646608d546df1af6a1e525.wm-preview-450.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiRqPntpsTcAhVBX60KHdMVDCoQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.shutterstock.com%2Feditorial%2Fsearch%2Frick%3Fsearch_source%3Dbase_search_for m%26sort%3Ddate%26cat%3D%26page%3DeyJ2IjoxLCJzIjo1NjZ9&psig=AOvVaw00Jco_2vD5SsdN2lNVrA_f&ust=1532952494851921)


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/vincent-fusca-places-a-campaign-sign-on-his-truck-for-republican-picture-id927762074?k=6&m=927762074&s=612x612&w=0&h=Sb8DZYKkYTqTn_d72LcgEvTyRStrKJ1gwTEzwmk0YPI= (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/vincent-fusca-places-a-campaign-sign-on-his-truck-for-news-photo/927762074)


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/vincent-fusca-of-pittsburgh-pa-holds-up-his-sign-as-he-protests-with-picture-id692105114?k=6&m=692105114&s=612x612&w=0&h=XbEqmMbwvv5Kassjd5l0YIibmwqCsUYSwVFA5EVyDeE= (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/vincent-fusca-of-pittsburgh-pa-holds-up-his-sign-as-he-news-photo/692105114)ED


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/vincent-fusca-of-pittsburgh-pa-demonstrates-outside-the-white-house-picture-id691901234?k=6&m=691901234&s=612x612&w=0&h=2zTOoAQ_ijrjD5T5DePPvvHCvQFnFK0-1sYIIYpriWc= (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/vincent-fusca-of-pittsburgh-pa-demonstrates-outside-the-news-photo/691901234)
CAPTION: Vincent Fusca of Pittsburgh, PA demonstrates outside the White House to show support for President Donald Trump on June 3, 2017 in Washington, D.C. President Trump recently withdrew the United States from the Paris Climate Accord in June 03, 2017.

[ThePythonicCow]

A death certificate in his name really precludes him from accessing this wealth he was entitled to.
... from accessing this wealth ... in his own name ... by the ordinary legal inheritance processes.

But if sufficient wealth remained in the hands of various legal corporations and entities, that were controlled by family and friends, who chose to see to it that he continued to have power and privilege, then he need not be thrown out on the street, a homeless bum.

Elsewhere I've read that the very wealth often own little or nothing themselves, in their own name, not even the clothes on their back. Rather the wealth is held in the name of various corporations and legal entities.

The very wealthy do not organize their affairs the way you or I do, or so I've read.

[ThePythonicCow]

Last word on this from me.

You can still have the last word if you want it. 🙂
Indeed, he can.

We shall soon see if mgray is more disciplined than most who make such claims, to have said their last word on a topic.

:) :cow: :)

[Helene West]

How does it help us, this new rabbit hole of jfk, jr? How does it help Q for us to be down this hole after he says plainly when asked about it that 'there is only Q'.
Q says they are in danger every minute of every day to be assassinated. Who is it that wants the assasinations? He's always reminding us to Focus.
It would be so curious to see a list of the surnames that own the mega-industries of the western world. Why are we not allowed to know the names of the board of directors of the federal reserve? Is it just for security or would the surnames tell The Story of 'hidden in plain sight'?

[Chanie]

How does it help us, this new rabbit hole of jfk, jr? How does it help Q...

That is why I wanted to create a separate thread for this discussion. I didn’t want to clog up the Q thread with posts relating to JFK Jr. But it is something I want to research and talk about and clearly, there are some other people who are interested in it as well. I think it should be on its own thread.

I do follow and read everything relating to Q and other subjects, but the JFK Jr. idea is the one that has my attention at the moment—that I choose to focus on.

[Chanie]

Well, let me help in bringing this off-topic subject to a close....

I started the conversation as a new thread and then, it got moved here. I agree that it makes it difficult for people to quickly access Q information. I don’t agree with your conclusions about the Vincent Fusca man.

I do follow and read everything about Q, but I would like to explore the JFK Jr. story in more depth and will ask the moderators to consider moving the related posts back to its own thread.

[turiya]

Well, let me help in bringing this off-topic subject to a close....

I started the conversation as a new thread and then, it got moved here. I agree that it makes it difficult for people to quickly access Q information. I don’t agree with your conclusions about the Vincent Fusca man.

I do follow and read everything about Q, but I would like to explore the JFK Jr. story in more depth and will ask the moderators to consider moving the related posts back to its own thread.

Explore away. Knock yourself out. Another thread would be good.
If you really need to go that far...


John F. Kennedy Jr. – Final TV Interview (May 1999)
(Jan 22, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6SCkylrQMs_________________


Meet Vincent Fusca and his TRUMP MOBILE!
(Jul 21, 2018)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSkf4GkfRhw

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Not to worry! If it turns out all the speculation is incorrect and JFK Jr. is dead, he won’t be any more dead than he was in 1999. I just think the notion that he’s still alive is a really interesting idea—one that I truly hope is true.

I suspect he would clean up really well—that a haircut and shave etc. would work wonders. JFK Jr. was one of the most photographed people in the world. He’d have to make some drastic changes to his appearance to avoid being recognized.

Also, his grandfather was known as “Black Jack” Bouvier because of his swarthy complexion.

See: http://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/jackie-kennedy-1st-black-first-lady/

I worked as a professional researcher for twenty years and once had a private detective/client tell me that I could easily go into that line of work. And the one thing I know from that experience is that the difference between a good researcher and a great one is gut instinct—being able to make those intuitive leaps in understanding.

Whether the rumours are true or whether it turns out to be the hoax of the century, my gut instinct tells me that it is worthy of my attention as a researcher. That’s good enough for me.


Agreed. So, you have investigative skills. I keep feeling like the sister-in-law that was also on board could be a clue. She had a twin sister and someone suggested it would be easy for the two to act as one, and therefor the one supposedly killed in the crash could visit the parents without any alarms going off. Is there some way to research the travels of the twin sister?

Also, what about JFK, jr's sister Caroline? would she know? I was a little taken back when Caroline came out in favor of Obama since right from the beginning he raised alarms for me. Many were calling him the black JFK. I believe Caroline even said she saw Obama as carrying on her father's torch. Obama appointed her as ambassador to Japan. Was she fooled or trying to gain trust to get info? I'm thinking the former, but . . . .! Would her brother have trusted her to be in on the plot?!?


This from Paul:
[QUOTE][QUOTE]With his acting instincts, financial resources, life in the public limelight since birth, and many years to refine the role, he would be able to far more than most of us to "look the part" of whatever role he chose to play any given day.


Also Agreed: And let's not forget, he had/has real skin in the game of cleaning out the CIA & making America great again. Many research books into JFK's assassination point to the CIA's involvement via the Dulles Bros. So junior has good reason to out the negative in that organization. They took away the father he barely knew (only 3years old when it happened) which greatly altered his family life and upbringing.

[ThePythonicCow]

I started the conversation as a new thread and then, it got moved here.
It was I who merged this JFK Jr conversation in with this Q thread. There was already a brief mention of the JFK Jr topic here, so it seemed to fit with that.

Little did I realize how much more Chanie and others would contribute to the JFK Jr topic.

Yes, it is well worth its own separate thread now. After a cup or two of coffee, I will attend to the matter of splitting it off as a separate thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

As I explain in more detail in the back dated Opening Post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1238557&viewfull=1#post1238557), above, of this thread, the above 37 posts (Post #2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1238002&viewfull=1#post1238002) through Post #38 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1238518&viewfull=1#post1238518)) were split off from the Q thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1238560&viewfull=1#post1238560).

May a fruitful and interesting discussion of this topic continue, in whatever posts may follow below.

[Noelle]

This is an older tweet (July 12, 2018) by intheMatrix (https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx), an anon who has been reporting on Q probably since it all started. The tweet includes a short video comparing the voices of JFK Jr. and the narrator of The Plan To Save The World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8cp1KvZKPo)video. There are some similarities, but a filter or some other effect must have been applied to the narrator's voice.

The tweet copy (link below will bring you to the video):

Interesting voice comparison. The maker of the Viral Q- Plan to save the world and JFK Jr?

https://twitter.com/inthematrix322/status/1017276850354171904

[Chanie]

I keep feeling like the sister-in-law that was also on board could be a clue. She had a twin sister and someone suggested it would be easy for the two to act as one, and therefor the one supposedly killed in the crash could visit the parents without any alarms going off. Is there some way to research the travels of the twin sister?

It’s a fairly standard rule of genealogical research that if you can’t locate someone in the records, you look at their siblings or other people close to them. Tracking them down will often lead you to the person in whom you’re interested.

I think it’s safe to eliminate the Kennedy family for this kind of search. They’re too recognizable. If JFK Jr. and Carolyn are still alive, they’re likely not going to spend a lot of time in public with their Kennedy relatives for this reason. I’m not sure if the Kennedys or at least John’s sister Caroline would be in on the secret or not.

But nineteen years after their reported deaths, they might spend time with the Bessettes in public because not many of us are familiar with their family.

I think Lauren’s twin Lisa might live in or have connections to Michigan. A private investigator could track her movements and this might eventually lead you back to her sister Carolyn, but for our purposes that would just be...weird.

Basically, we just want to know if JFK Jr faked his own death and is still alive.

So where do we start? Well, we know that Carolyn’s birth father was William J. Bessette; that her parents divorced when she was about eight years old; that her mother remarried Dr. Richard Freeman. We also know that Carolyn had two sisters who were twins: Lauren and Lisa.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Bessette-Kennedy

What we don’t know is whether her father William or step-father Richard had other children. If they did, Carolyn and Lauren might have half-siblings or step-siblings to whom they were close.

This is where these attached photos come in...

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Source: https://rememberingcbk.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/photos-of-young-carolyn-2/

A lot of people have been suggesting that the woman at the 2018 Moon Township Pennsylvania rally featured in the last photo—the glamorous blonde sitting directly behind Trump who looks a bit like the actor Melanie Griffith—might be Lauren. As we’ve said, Lauren is the twin who died in the plane crash.

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This is a reasonable guess, but I think she is more likely the blonde woman in the first photo that I’ve posted—back row third from the right in the pink dress. I think she’s also in the second photo—possibly in the front row far left—and maybe in the family group photo—back row second from the left wearing sunglasses.

As you can see, Carolyn Bessette is also in these photos.

If you watch the March 2018 Moon Township, PA rally videos (and there are many—for instance, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dXYuJC9udk4) you will see that the glamorous blonde woman is closely connected to the blonde woman with shorter hair—directly below the big guy with the white shirt (who I believe to be the glamorous woman’s partner.) She is just above and to the left of the pink “Women for Trump” sign.

Although it’s a little trickier to identify her in the family photos, I’m thinking she might be the bride in the first picture—white dress, back row, glasses.

There is obviously some kind of close relationship with Carolyn Bessette. My best guess is half-siblings; step-siblings or close cousins.

It would be an interesting coincidence if the women at the rally are the women in the Bessette family photos, wouldn’t it? What are the odds?

So far, I haven’t spotted anyone who looks like Lauren or Lisa.

It’s also interesting that a year after John and Carolyn’s deaths, her mother and step-father built a new mansion “on a more secluded private road” where there was “little chance” that “a random car would roam by.”

Friends noted that privacy was “paramount to them.”

Someone was quoted as saying her mother had “shed social ties and obligations” due to grief.

See: http://articles.courant.com/2000-07-16/news/0007160014_1_kennedy-daughters-deaths-carolyn-bessette

The suggestion of grief is understandable if they died in a plane crash, but the sudden desire for privacy would also make sense if they had faked their deaths and gone into hiding. A private road would allow them to visit without being spotted.

I’m slowly gathering more tidbits, but I think that’s enough for one post. I would like to add that if JFK Jr is starting to appear in public (albeit in disguise), he may be gearing up to tell that world that he’s alive.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hi Chanie, Looking at the video of Trump's Ohio rally at 38:31, I believe you suggested that the lady in pink directly behind Carolyn is her sister. I would agree, also the woman next to her in black could be her twin (or vice-versa)

From a woman's perspective: How many woman where baseball caps to a rally and keep them on while inside? . . .especially if they are sitting behind Trump and they know they are going to be on TV. The 3 sisters are the only ones with baseball caps on that we can see. The one in black especially has hers pulled low. In my view that's someone who doesn't want to be recognized. And the African-American behind them in a suit, sure looks like security to me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF34XeNdvic

[Cardillac]

if/IF the Kennedy father/son's deaths were faked then why not the Romanov's assasination?- the best way to hide your tracks is to have your obituary published; no-one will be searching for someone they presume is dead-

Larry

[Chanie]

Hi Chanie, Looking at the video of Trump's Ohio rally at 38:31, I believe you suggested that the lady in pink directly behind Carolyn is her sister. I would agree, also the woman next to her in black could be her twin (or vice-versa)

From a woman's perspective: How many woman where baseball caps to a rally and keep them on while inside? . . .especially if they are sitting behind Trump and they know they are going to be on TV. The 3 sisters are the only ones with baseball caps on that we can see. The one in black especially has hers pulled low. In my view that's someone who doesn't want to be recognized. And the African-American behind them in a suit, sure looks like security to me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF34XeNdvic

Hi Ba-ba-Ra,

I don’t recall seeing the sisters at the Ohio rally, but will look at the footage again when I have time. The only people I spotted in the Ohio footage were the man said to be JFK Jr., the woman who is supposed to be Carolyn and their two children.

I did mention in yesterday's post that the blonde woman who appears in the 2018 Moon Township, Pennsylvania rally footage might be the bridesmaid in the pink dress in one of Carolyn Bessette’s childhood photos that I posted. I don’t believe her to be one of Carolyn’s twin sisters, but rather a half-sibling, step-sibling or cousin. Having sat through a lot of footage, I’m convinced the blonde woman at the PA rally knows the woman who is said to be John’s wife Carolyn.

This blonde “half/step sister” is definitely not wearing a hat at the PA rally and actually looks rather glamorous which would seem to prove your point about women in front of TV cameras.

One very noticeable thing between the 2017 Ohio footage and the 2018 PA footage is that the earlier rally seemed more tense. Perhaps it was their first venture out in a very public arena? The security seemed especially tight around them. A year later, the mood seemed more relaxed and security less noticeable. I suspect in PA, they were surrounded by Carolyn’s family members so that might have helped too.

The African-American man in the Ohio footage was well-dressed. I think I saw him in the PA footage prior to the show as well. My feeling is that he might be part of Trump’s team—a co-ordinator of some kind, either to do with security or co-ordinating events like this.

[Chanie]

if/IF the Kennedy father/son's deaths were faked then why not the Romanov's assasination?- the best way to hide your tracks is to have your obituary published; no-one will be searching for someone they presume is dead-

Larry

Hi Larry,

I don’t know a lot about the Romanovs, but you make a good point. We tend to believe what we’re told and what we see in print. Well, maybe not the Avalon crowd, but most people! In actual fact, it can be more like a magic act—a sleight of hand, a trick of the eye. Look here, look there. Did you really see what you think you saw? Did you miss what was right there in front of your eyes? Question everything.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi Chanie, Looking at the video of Trump's Ohio rally at 38:31, I believe you suggested that the lady in pink directly behind Carolyn is her sister. I would agree, also the woman next to her in black could be her twin (or vice-versa)

From a woman's perspective: How many woman where baseball caps to a rally and keep them on while inside? . . .especially if they are sitting behind Trump and they know they are going to be on TV. The 3 sisters are the only ones with baseball caps on that we can see. The one in black especially has hers pulled low. In my view that's someone who doesn't want to be recognized. And the African-American behind them in a suit, sure looks like security to me.
Good observations. Thanks :).

===

P.S. -- and more good observations following your post. I was posting before reading to the thread end, and post only a thumbs up thanks. Hopefully no one will report me for breaking forum guidelines <grin>.

[Cardillac]

I can remember exactly as a 9-yr. old originally from Salem, Ohio (even though I didn't understand yet back then what this all meant) the Kennedy campaign took him to Salem, Alliance (two podunk places) and Youngstown (the largest of the podunk places- former steel town) Ohio- my mother and aunt dragged me to the Kennedy campaign speech at the local football stadium- didn't understand anything back then-

Kennedy's father told him he should make "nice-nice" with the mafias- read on-

but: 25 yrs. ago I met the curator of the Youngstown art museum who stated he and his male life's partner were considering Salem as a home (looked nice and quiet) which would've been a do-able 45 min. commute to Youngstown...

until they found out the Grand Wizzard of the Midwest chapter of the KKK (no blacks, Jews or gays- nice people) lived in Colombiana County of which Salem is the largest town-

they decided against the move-

so why should Trump choose to give a speech in such a backwater place as Youngstown, Ohio?- one can't get anymore decrepid than this forsaken place-

only one answer: very powerful people are living there at least in the outskirts-

things haven't changed since the Kennedy era...

Larry

[Chanie]

There are multiple networks covering these political rallies. Each has its cameras in a slightly different place so their footage will show slightly different things from different angles. For this reason, it is useful to look at a range of available videos for the same event.

Needless to say, there is a degree of tedium in studying so much footage, but it is not unlike panning for gold. You have to sift through a lot of dross to find the golden nugget. What I’m looking for are details that stand out as unusual, that show relationships between people or patterns of behaviour.

One of the few networks that feature all of the almost seven hour rally is the Right Side Broadcasting Network. For this reason, I am going to use it to learn more about what took place prior to the main show.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTWx42YMkbA&list=PLuXXbBFpPc0lb4_FdI1NOPTCAYroXOywl&index=95&t=0s
1:56:10 As the camera pans over the bleacher area, it occurs to me that the seats behind the podium are prime real estate. The majority of the crowd will never get a chance to sit there. How is it that our so-called Trump-mobile/JFK Jr. guy and his family manage to get seats in this area? Obviously, he has connections. Would a Trump-mobile really get you these kinds of seats once let alone twice? I suspect not.

2:00:49 The JFK figure appears at the far left top of the screen. He is wearing a black hat.

2:00:55 He makes “up up” gestures with his hand. He is holding a phone/camera.

2:01:13 A little girl wearing a red hat in the bleachers stands up. He appears to take a picture in her direction.

2:01:53 The JFK guy arrives in the bleachers. He stops to speak to someone in the front row. He’s wearing a dark suit, white shirt, tie, hat and what looks like white socks. People have likened the outfit to Emmett the clown, but it reminds me of Michael Jackson.

2:02:17 He starts to climb the bleachers and then, turns back. When he comes back, he is with a woman wearing a red jacket. He makes a gesture to help her climb up and at one point, he puts his hand on her back. They are speaking to people in the little girl’s row.

2:03:45 The woman leaves and the JFK guy sits down in the little girl’s row.

2:06:18 He appears to be fixing the little girl’s hair. Then, he leans back to take photos of her. It occurs to me that this is an elegant, agile man—quite different from the Trump-mobile character. It has been suggested that they are two different men.

2:12:25 Now he’s standing by the little girl with his hand in his pocket. He turns to talk to a tall man in a black trench coat. This guy looks like someone official. Maybe security? The little girl gets up on her feet and stands beside the JFK guy. She has long, dark hair. It is looking more and more like he is her Dad. If true, it means the JFK guy has at least three children.

At this point, there is a commercial interruption. Afterwards, there is no sign of the JFK man.

2:35:13 The woman in red and the man in the black trench are talking. It’s pretty clear that they both have official roles here—that they aren’t part of the rally crowd.

The network swings its cameras away to do interviews on the floor.

3:15:53 If you squint, you can see the JFK figure sitting well to the left of the podium. The little girl is to his left.

3:16:50 The woman wearing the red jacket is sitting beside the little girl. She stands up and motions to the left of the screen.

3:28:23 Then, she stands up and motions to the right.

3:29:19 Finally, the camera pans in for close-up shots. The woman who is said to be John’s wife Carolyn is sitting to the left of the podium. She’s wearing a dark, scooped-neck top and hat. The two older children are sitting in another spot just next to the podium. The boy is wearing a suit; the girl, a khaki sweater. The boy is dark like John, but doesn’t really look that much like him. The girl looks a lot like John’s wife Carolyn—is a very close match.

3:32:22 The JFK guy stands for the Pledge of Allegiance. He’s behind and slightly to the right of the Carolyn woman and right behind the man in the red vest.

3:32:29 He pushes up his glasses. This will become a repeated theme at the rally—either a nervous gesture or a sign that he isn’t wearing prescription glasses fitted by an optician. He also claps, but I can’t tell if he’s left-handed because he moves both hands instead of using the dominant hand to clap into the still hand like most people do.

3:33:09 He doesn’t take his hat off for the Pledge or the National Anthem. This strikes me as being highly unusual, especially at a Trump rally filled with Patriots. Perhaps he’s wearing a wig and doesn’t want to risk it coming off? I think the Carolyn woman left her hat on as well. She took it off at the Ohio rally.

3:37:00 There is a woman to the right who is wearing a white jacket and red top. She has long, dark hair and big glasses which she sometimes wears on the top of her head. She looks like a girl in Carolyn’s childhood photos which I posted yesterday, but I’m not 100% sure.

4:03:02 We get our first glimpse of the blonde woman whom people have suggested is John’s sister Caroline. She is to the left of the girl in khaki. Although there is a resemblance, I don’t think it is Caroline. I think it’s more likely a Bessette/Freeman relative—perhaps one of the blonde girls in Carolyn’s childhood photos?

4:03:11 The JFK guy is at the top left of the screen. He appears to have moved closer to the podium. He pushes up his glasses; then, leans down to talk to the little girl in the red hat.

4:09:39 The little girl is to the top left behind the man in the red vest. She is holding a pink sign. The JFK guy is sitting down to her immediate left.

4:11:38 Three teenage girls with long hair arrive. They sit a couple of rows above the girl in khaki by a man in a red coat. He takes their picture. It’s possible that these girls are the half/step nieces of John’s wife Carolyn. This small area seems to be filled with relatives from one family. Would a so-called Trump-mobile guy’s extended family warrant this kind of special treatment—the best seats in the house? I think it’s more likely that the seats are filled with Carolyn’s Bessette/Freeman relatives.

4:14:25 A big man in a white shirt and a woman with a blonde bob haircut and dark jacket climb up the stairs. It’s the glamorous woman who looks like Melanie Griffith—the one I suggested was a half/step sister of John’s Carolyn. See: yesterday’s post. It is noteworthy that they arrive late and still get good seats. The dark-haired woman in the white jacket/red top on the right looks back at them.

4:15:07 The girl in khaki talks with the blonde woman beside her and will continue to talk throughout the rally. It’s obvious they know each other.

4:15:12 The three teenage girls pose for more photos. The man in the pale blue shirt takes their picture. The little girl in the red hat at the top left is watching them.

4:16:12 The camera pans to a wider shot. You can see the JFK guy’s head just below the pink Trump sign. He appears to be talking to the glamorous woman’s partner—the man in the white shirt.

4:16:24 The girl in khaki is talking to the woman behind her—the one in the fuchsia-coloured jacket.

4:17:05 The JFK guy is talking to the man in the white shirt again.

4:18:00 The glamorous woman stands up and waves to someone to the far left of the screen. Although I can’t see who it is, I’m wondering if it is the other woman with shorter blonde hair that I mentioned yesterday? I haven’t seen her in this footage yet.

4:23:55 The JFK guy has been taking photos and waves to someone at the left.

4:25:13 He comes down the steps and talks to a woman with dark hair. I think she is handing out signs. The girl in khaki is looking in that direction. It is noteworthy that the two older children do not usually look at or interact with their parents. This was true at both the Ohio and PA rallies. I assume that this is because they have been instructed not to do so.

4:26:00 The JFK guy is talking to the man in the white shirt again. These guys know each other which would make sense if the glamorous woman is Carolyn’s half/step sister and he is married to her. He’d be like a brother-in-law to John.

4:34:00 The glamorous woman waves to someone at the far left, but I can’t see who it is.

So far, I have not seen anyone who looks like Carolyn’s twin sisters Lauren and Lisa. They may be seated elsewhere or perhaps they do not live close enough to attend this rally/reunion.

At this point, the film footage becomes very blurry so I will leave it there and look at other networks’ coverage in another posting. The Trump speech is about to begin.

[Chanie]

I stumbled across some information while reading an article about Carolyn Bessette Kennedy in The Washington Post. It mentions that after her divorce, Carolyn’s mother married Dr. Freeman and that he “brought three more girls into the family.”

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1996/10/09/myth-america/ce644892-f361-410f-8286-ea227c453ec9/?utm_term=.2da695cb9a7f

This means that some of the girls in the family photos are step-sisters—Freemans. If they married, they might go by different surnames now, but it does answer how they are related to Carolyn. My guess is that they are the blonde ones.

The article also mentions that there was a lot of ill will between her parents and that her birth father did not attend her wedding. This suggests that while she carried the name Bessette, she was likely closer to the Freeman side of her family.

[ThePythonicCow]

There are multiple networks covering these political rallies. Each has its cameras in a slightly different place so their footage will show slightly different things from different angles. For this reason, it is useful to look at a range of available videos for the same event.

Needless to say, there is a degree of tedium in studying so much footage, but it is not unlike panning for gold. You have to sift through a lot of dross to find the golden nugget. What I’m looking for are details that stand out as unusual, that show relationships between people or patterns of behaviour.

One of the few networks that feature all of the almost seven hour rally is the Right Side Broadcasting Network. For this reason, I am going to use it to learn more about what took place prior to the main show.
Awesome work. Your timestamps, commentary, and keen eye are most helpful.

The odds that these are the Kennedy's are quite strong in my current estimation, including JFK Jr himself.

Thanks for your research, Chanie!

[ThePythonicCow]

At this point, Chanie, how many Trump rallies have you seen the likes of JFK Jr at?

(If you've already stated this ... sorry for my forgetting you did.)

[Chanie]

Your timestamps, commentary, and keen eye are most helpful.

The odds that these are the Kennedy's are quite strong in my current estimation, including JFK Jr himself.

Thanks for your research, Chanie!

You’re welcome!

I’m inclined to agree with you. Although it will be difficult to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, I am comfortable saying that I now believe it to be JFK Jr. and his family.

I may eventually hit a wall in terms of what resources are available to me. For the moment, I am approaching it like a little hobby—have to fit it in with what’s going on in my real life. I am grateful to have the space to explore the subject and share what I find with others who might be interested.

As a general comment, I would like to say that the three children seem to be very well-adjusted and have probably benefited from having grown up outside the glare of the spotlight. The older girl and boy seem to be mature and well-behaved; the little girl is charming and her father seemed to be an attentive parent. You could see a rapport there between them.

I haven’t commented on Carolyn—the fact that her gestures seemed to be very over-the-top—because I know people like that. There are people who are just very enthusiastic and get caught up in the spirit of an event. The gestures could be real or feigned. It’s hard to say. But it is a very different persona that what we saw during her brief public life with John—that cool blonde on his arm. This rally character with all her bling is more fun.

[Chanie]

At this point, Chanie, how many Trump rallies have you seen the likes of JFK Jr at?

(If you've already stated this ... sorry for my forgetting you did.)

So far, I have only seen him at the 2017 Youngstown, Ohio and the 2018 Moon Township, Pennsylvania rallies. My hunch is that he might have attended other ones, possibly by himself and perhaps behind the scenes.

I’ve taken quick glances at other rallies and will continue to explore those in greater depth, but the only ones that I’ve studied closely are the Ohio and PA ones.

These two rallies are relatively close in terms of geography so it’s possible that he lives in this general area. The fact that so many of Carolyn’s relatives attended the PA rally suggests that at least some of them may also live nearby.

[mountain_jim]

There are multiple networks covering these political rallies. Each has its cameras in a slightly different place so their footage will show slightly different things from different angles. For this reason, it is useful to look at a range of available videos for the same event.

Needless to say, there is a degree of tedium in studying so much footage, but it is not unlike panning for gold. You have to sift through a lot of dross to find the golden nugget. What I’m looking for are details that stand out as unusual, that show relationships between people or patterns of behaviour.

One of the few networks that feature all of the almost seven hour rally is the Right Side Broadcasting Network. For this reason, I am going to use it to learn more about what took place prior to the main show.
Awesome work. Your timestamps, commentary, and keen eye are most helpful.

The odds that these are the Kennedy's are quite strong in my current estimation, including JFK Jr himself.

Thanks for your research, Chanie!

Having not had time to study on this yet, I find Paul's estimation fairly incredible to consider, as this all seemed like Paul McCartney-replaced-in-the-Beatles type crazytrain rumoring.

Though if I was JFK Jr and understood what the Deep-State/Cabal/MIC did to my father and uncle, I would probably want to drop completely out of view until the time was ripe for justice as well.

[Chanie]

Having not had time to study on this yet, I find Paul's estimation fairly incredible to consider, as this all seemed like Paul McCartney-replaced-in-the-Beatles type crazytrain rumoring.

Though if I was JFK Jr and understood what the Deep-State/Cabal/ MIC did to my father and father's brother, I would probably want to drop completely out of view until the time was ripe for justice as well.

I can understand why you and others might find it incredible. When I first heard the rumour, I thought, “How could this be? Is it possible?”

However, I didn’t dismiss it outright because my gut instinct was telling me that there were something to this story. I have a fairly strong professional background in research and have learned to listen to that inner voice so I decided to take a deeper look at it.

I think one of the keys to this story is the fact that Carolyn Bessette Kennedy had more than two sisters. As far as the general public knew, there were just the twins—Lauren and Lisa. As it turns out, she also had three step-sisters and from her childhood photos, it appears like she was relatively close to them.

I’m not sweating the details of how they could have faked their deaths. I just assume that it’s possible given their money and personal connections. That is almost like a fixed variable in the equation.

I also don’t think they did this just to get out of the public spotlight. I’m sure that had some appeal, but it seems a rather drastic step. Given what we know now about the world, I think it’s safe to assume that there was some kind of serious threat on their lives.

The hardest part would be giving up one’s extended family. This is where the step-sisters come in. Not many of us knew about them. I suspect they likely became important connections for them in the years that followed because there wouldn’t be media cameras parked outside their doors. It would be easier to come and go without being observed. This is just a guess on my part.

Could I be wrong about all this? Absolutely, but so far, I haven’t seen anything in the research to suggest this.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I swear I had already posted this, but can't find it even in my profile . .so I apologize if it's a duplicate.


What about Caroline Kennedy. Any thoughts about if this is true, that she might know? I always thought she & jr were close, and wasn't she maid of honor at their wedding?

I was very disappointed in Caroline when she came out publicly for Obama. Many considered him the black JFK - and as I recall Caroline made a comment about him carrying on her father's work. Later Obama made her ambassador to Japan.

Was she taken in, or was she trying to get close to get info and possibly spy. I believed she was taken in, she never seemed like a complicated personality.

Any thoughts?

[Chanie]

I swear I had already posted this, but can't find it even in my profile . .so I apologize if it's a duplicate.


What about Caroline Kennedy. Any thoughts about if this is true, that she might know? I always thought she & jr were close, and wasn't she maid of honor at their wedding?

I was very disappointed in Caroline when she came out publicly for Obama. Many considered him the black JFK - and as I recall Caroline made a comment about him carrying on her father's work. Later Obama made her ambassador to Japan.

Was she taken in, or was she trying to get close to get info and possibly spy. I believed she was taken in, she never seemed like a complicated personality.

Any thoughts?

Good questions!

I truly don’t know. My guess is that she knew because she and John were close when they were growing up, but I don’t know them personally or what the dynamic might have been between them as adults. I read somewhere that her husband didn’t like John’s wife Carolyn—that could be true or total fiction. I don’t know.

I find it hard to believe that everyone in that large Kennedy clan knew. How could you tell that many people and keep it a secret? It may be that only a few people like Ted knew. Or none of them. I’m not sure.

I also don’t know what her motives in supporting Obama were. Being hoodwinked would depend on whether she has reliable sources of information around her and also whether she knew about the circumstances surrounding John’s death.

It’s all guesswork, isn’t it?

It is interesting that people claim that Caroline was at the 2018 Moon Township, PA rally and sitting beside the girl who is said to be John’s daughter. She does look like Caroline. My mind just can’t make that mental leap. John’s sister Caroline is such a recognizable face and the person at the rally made no effort to disguise her face. Would she really be that bold—to show up and sit in the front row? I can’t wrap my mind around that one so I’m thinking it might be a relative of John’s wife Carolyn. That makes more sense to me...

...well, unless it is was intentional to get the rumour mill going. If John is alive and there is some kind of grand reveal being planned, it’s possible that they’re starting to lay the groundwork in advance. If it’s true, a lot of people are going to be shocked.

[mountain_jim]

Help me out by pointing me towards the genesis of this line of inquiry on Avalon.

Was it from the Q drops, or something the other anons at 8chan brought in, or something else?

Thanks in advance.

[Chanie]

Help me out by pointing me towards the genesis of this line of inquiry on Avalon.

Was it from the Q drops, or something the other anons at 8chan brought in, or something else?

Thanks in advance.

I don’t know where the rumours began. Perhaps Paul might remember? I know I read that one person on another website had been following the rumour since April of this year.

I didn’t pick up on the story until recently. I saw some photos from the Ohio and PA rallies and read that they were in attendance. This prompted me to take a closer look at the film footage and to do a bit of digging into Carolyn’s family background.

I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful in this regard.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Help me out by pointing me towards the genesis of this line of inquiry on Avalon.

Was it from the Q drops, or something the other anons at 8chan brought in, or something else?

Thanks in advance.



I believe it was when Arcturin 108 posted this video on the Q thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1236773&viewfull=1#post1236773


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Ylji3hxHI

[mountain_jim]

Thanks - I remember seeing that post during a busy day and clicking on by..

I thought I recalled Q distancing himself from the R speculation in his later drops, though.

Still have some catching up to do.

[Satori]

Thanks - I remember seeing that post during a busy day and clicking on by..

I thought I recalled Q distancing himself from the R speculation in his later drops, though.

Still have some catching up to do.

"Q" did write, in response to question from an Anon about "R", that: "There is only Q."

I assume we can all agree that is not the same as saying JFK, Jr. is alive.

With all the "what ifs" going around, I have a couple of my own:

What if JFK Jr. did die, whether by a plane crash or otherwise?

What if they have us chasing our tails so that we don't get off our butts and actually do something?

[Chanie]

Thanks - I remember seeing that post during a busy day and clicking on by..

I thought I recalled Q distancing himself from the R speculation in his later drops, though.

Still have some catching up to do.
I think Q made a statement that “there is only Q.” Something like that.

I’m not really following it from a Q and/or R perspective. I do keep an eye on the posts relating to Q, but as a Canadian, I’m not as engaged in American politics except in terms of how it might affect us or the world and also, out of general interest.

But as I mentioned in one of my early posts, I do feel some connection to JFK Jr as he was very much a part of my childhood history. Looking back, I realize that it was pretty traumatic for my five year old self to learn about his father’s death and then, to follow the TV coverage that followed—this was before the era when parents monitored what their children watched on TV. I was literally glued to the TV for days with my nose practically pressed against the screen. That’s mainly why I have some interest in the story.

I am wondering if the story was intentionally leaked—the rumour started—for some official reason. If it’s disinformation, I guess it’s just another distraction although I don’t feel it’s really interfering with my ability to pay attention to what else is going on in the world.

If it’s true, it could be part of a bigger plan to gradually reveal the truth to the public. If it’s true and they don’t want the public to know, I can’t fathom why they’d take the risk of appearing in public. That just doesn’t make sense to me.

I suspect that if the story is true, they want the truth to gradually seep into people’s awareness—that would be kinder than just suddenly dropping the truth on us.

[Chanie]

Thanks - I remember seeing that post during a busy day and clicking on by..

I thought I recalled Q distancing himself from the R speculation in his later drops, though.

Still have some catching up to do.

"Q" did write, in response to question from an Anon about "R", that: "There is only Q."

I assume we can all agree that is not the same as saying JFK, Jr. is alive.

With all the "what ifs" going around, I have a couple of my own:

What if JFK Jr. did die, whether by a plane crash or otherwise?

What if they have us chasing our tails so that we don't get off our butts and actually do something?

Sorry, Satori. I was typing my answer to Mountain_Jim when you were posting this.

I can’t speak for other people, but I feel that I am pretty engaged in my own small corner of the world and am making a positive difference where I can. I don’t feel my researching the rumour is interfering with that.

But I can see your point, especially if people become obsessed to the point where they’re not paying attention to what’s happening in the world or fail to take action where they can. The same could be said of almost any alternative subject, including the Q posts. I guess it’s useful to bring a degree of mindfulness to these things.

[KiwiElf]

Thanks - I remember seeing that post during a busy day and clicking on by..

I thought I recalled Q distancing himself from the R speculation in his later drops, though.

Still have some catching up to do.

"Q" did write, in response to question from an Anon about "R", that: "There is only Q."

I assume we can all agree that is not the same as saying JFK, Jr. is alive.

With all the "what ifs" going around, I have a couple of my own:

What if JFK Jr. did die, whether by a plane crash or otherwise?

What if they have us chasing our tails so that we don't get off our butts and actually do something?

Sorry, Satori. I was typing my answer to Mountain_Jim when you were posting this.

I can’t speak for other people, but I feel that I am pretty engaged in my own small corner of the world and am making a positive difference where I can. I don’t feel my researching the rumour is interfering with that.

But I can see your point, especially if people become obsessed to the point where they’re not paying attention to what’s happening in the world or fail to take action where they can. The same could be said of almost any alternative subject, including the Q posts. I guess it’s useful to bring a degree of mindfulness to these things.

Agreed. All "Q" was stating is, that RAnon is NOT "Q". ;)

[Sierra]

Can voice prints be altered? Has anyone compared the speech prints of Kennedy and Fusca?

I did notice that Fusca’s hands are similar to Kennedy’s hands. I also noticed that the woman in the photo thought to possibly be kennedy’s wife Carolyn, has a very pointed forefinger. I don’t think surgery would have been done on the hands...

[KiwiElf]

Can voice prints be altered? Has anyone compared the speech prints of Kennedy and Fusca?

I did notice that Fusca’s hands are similar to Kennedy’s hands. I also noticed that the woman in the photo thought to possibly be kennedy’s wife Carolyn, has a very pointed forefinger. I don’t think surgery would have been done on the hands...

Yes they can. Surgery on the larynx or other parts of the throat would also alter a person's voice.

If memory serves, Adobe recently bought out software (audio "Photoshop") which can accurately mimic another person's voice; all that's needed is a recorded voice sample and you too could sound like JFK Jnr, Sierra (or anyone else). Buttttttt... only in recorded format, not live (as far as I know - I could be wrong about that!) ;)

[turiya]

Thanks - I remember seeing that post during a busy day and clicking on by..

I thought I recalled Q distancing himself from the R speculation in his later drops, though.

Still have some catching up to do.

"Q" did write, in response to question from an Anon about "R", that: "There is only Q."

I assume we can all agree that is not the same as saying JFK, Jr. is alive.

With all the "what ifs" going around, I have a couple of my own:

What if JFK Jr. did die, whether by a plane crash or otherwise?

What if they have us chasing our tails so that we don't get off our butts and actually do something?

Sorry, Satori. I was typing my answer to Mountain_Jim when you were posting this.

I can’t speak for other people, but I feel that I am pretty engaged in my own small corner of the world and am making a positive difference where I can. I don’t feel my researching the rumour is interfering with that.

But I can see your point, especially if people become obsessed to the point where they’re not paying attention to what’s happening in the world or fail to take action where they can. The same could be said of almost any alternative subject, including the Q posts. I guess it’s useful to bring a degree of mindfulness to these things.

Agreed. All "Q" was stating is, that RAnon is NOT "Q". ;)

The 'JFK Jr is alive' thing came out of an 8chan anon posting shortly after Q took a break after July 4th...
Praying Medic posted on his Twitter account posts #65==>#71 (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1022148051824037888) & made the following video:

Note: Praying Medic brings up the 'R Anon' claiming to be Q and that JFK Jr was still alive...


Q Anon July 25 - From Sea To Shining Sea
(Jul 25, 2018)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sd8dg6KPKXA/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/sd8dg6KPKXA?t=28m5s)

https://youtu.be/sd8dg6KPKXA?t=28m5s (https://youtu.be/sd8dg6KPKXA?t=28m5s)

Praying Medic recently tweeted....








http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1022156943677259776)

67) The backstory on R anon:

Shortly after #Qanon posted on July 4th, someone going under the name R anon showed up on 8chan.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di9sh8YUUAIbGNO.jpg (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1022156943677259776)

9:29 AM - 25 Jul 2018










http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Qanon_PRAYING_MEDIC_Twitter_LOGO.png (https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1022156945367564291)

68) R anon suggested that the plan was for #Qanon to cease posting because he was taking over.

9:29 AM - 25 Jul 2018

From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
:)

[Chanie]

Can voice prints be altered? Has anyone compared the speech prints of Kennedy and Fusca?

I did notice that Fusca’s hands are similar to Kennedy’s hands. I also noticed that the woman in the photo thought to possibly be kennedy’s wife Carolyn, has a very pointed forefinger. I don’t think surgery would have been done on the hands...

Thanks for pointing out your observations about the hands, Sierra. When I get time, I will take a look at that.

[amor]

As I definitely am heels to the ground type, I cannot comment about piloting matters. However, I remembered reading somewhere that the night before taking his flight, John Kennedy was invited to visit Dick Scaife of the Mellon millions or billions just about the time a story was going around that he might run for the Presidency. Also, I wondered why he called his magazine "George." Another piece of information tied daddy Bush to the assassination on that day in Texas. What do you think the latter would fear if John John became President? Another item. Dick Scaife was connected with a CIA outfit in NYC the head of which was the 1973 head of the CIA who was subsequently murdered. Also, the New Jersey airport is full of Mafia Agents who could empty the reserve tank of fuel and jam the appropriate mechanism at a "FULL" reading. Just another little alternative to consider.

[ThePythonicCow]

From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don’t know where the rumours began. Perhaps Paul might remember? I know I read that one person on another website had been following the rumour since April of this year.
What I know of the genesis of this rumor, I wrote in the Opening Post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive) to this thread, and my current speculation, I wrote in Post #71 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive&p=1239052&viewfull=1#post1239052), just above this present post.

[KiwiElf]

As I definitely am heels to the ground type, I cannot comment about piloting matters. However, I remembered reading somewhere that the night before taking his flight, John Kennedy was invited to visit Dick Scaife of the Mellon millions or billions just about the time a story was going around that he might run for the Presidency. Also, I wondered why he called his magazine "George." Another piece of information tied daddy Bush to the assassination on that day in Texas. What do you think the latter would fear if John John became President? Another item. Dick Scaife was connected with a CIA outfit in NYC the head of which was the 1973 head of the CIA who was subsequently murdered. Also, the New Jersey airport is full of Mafia Agents who could empty the reserve tank of fuel and jam the appropriate mechanism at a "FULL" reading. Just another little alternative to consider.

To my knowledge, the Piper Saratoga doesn't have reserve fuel tanks, just two interconnected tanks in each wing of different capacities (four in total - see diagram below).

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However, good pilots of smaller airplanes check the fuel contents (physically removing the fuel caps & looking at the contents in addition to the gauges as part of their preflight checks, before every flight - they sometimes use a type of "dipstick" for the non-aviation-minded. In the Saratoga's case it has an external fuel indicator fitted to each inboard tank). Another mandatory preflight "check" is to physically drain a small quantity of fuel from each tank into a clear container to check for water, sediment or other contaminants. (it kinda looks like a short test-tube or a small clear plastic glass). ;)

Yeah, there are a few pilots who get lazy and don't do the pre-flight checks (and they don't usually live long!), however, I don't believe Kennedy was one of them. By all accounts he was very careful & thorough with his flying.

This aircraft does require the pilot to switch tanks (between left and right sides) every hour or so to keep the tanks "in balance". This procedure is quite common in some aircraft. (Some other small aircraft do this automatically with a "both" [tanks/sides] fuel selector).

For the record, the initial trip from Essex to Martha's Vineyard would only have taken a little over an hour in the Saratoga, then a short flight after to their final destination, and would have needed 20 - 25 gallons of fuel. Depending on the type of trip, you always carry more than you need, usually a minimum "reserve" of an hour. (The Saratoga has a usable fuel capacity of 102 gallons). I do not know how much fuel JFK Jnr's plane was actually carrying, but with only three occupants & luggage (it's a six-seater airplane), it's possible he may have filled the tanks and still been within maximum weight limits. If that was the case, it could have stayed in the air for over five hrs.

There are dozens of ways to tamper with an aircraft, including the more "woo woo" hacking the auto pilot. According to the official NTSB report, "everything was working".

[KiwiElf]

From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.

I agree Paul (sorry Turiya! ;)) - the theory that JFK Jnr is alive (along with Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers... and Elvis... etc!) has been around a lot longer than "Q"... (or "R Anon") :)

[Chanie]

As I definitely am heels to the ground type, I cannot comment about piloting matters. However, I remembered reading somewhere that the night before taking his flight, John Kennedy was invited to visit Dick Scaife of the Mellon millions or billions just about the time a story was going around that he might run for the Presidency. Also, I wondered why he called his magazine "George." Another piece of information tied daddy Bush to the assassination on that day in Texas. What do you think the latter would fear if John John became President? Another item. Dick Scaife was connected with a CIA outfit in NYC the head of which was the 1973 head of the CIA who was subsequently murdered. Also, the New Jersey airport is full of Mafia Agents who could empty the reserve tank of fuel and jam the appropriate mechanism at a "FULL" reading. Just another little alternative to consider.

If JFK Jr. died in that plane crash, I agree that there is a very good chance that he was murdered.

[Chanie]

From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.

It may be that someone deliverately leaked the truth in order to get people talking and to prepare them for the official confirmation that he and Carolyn are still alive.

[Chanie]

From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.

I agree Paul (sorry Turiya! ;)) - the theory that JFK Jnr is alive (along with Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers... and Elvis... etc!) has been around a lot longer than "Q"... (or "R Anon") :)

That made me laugh—it conjured up visions of them all coming out on stage at once. I think I’d pay tickets for that show! 😊 I think this is one reason why people are inclined to dismiss the possibility. It sounds like just another dead person conspiracy theory.

[Chanie]

There are dozens of ways to tamper with an aircraft, including the more "woo woo" hacking the auto pilot. According to the official NTSB report, "everything was working".

I am approaching the research from a genealogical standpoint. Having studied the 2018 Moon Township rally film footage, it is clear to me that a number of people in the bleachers behind Trump knew each other. It felt like a family reunion of sorts. Some of them also seemed to know the JFK Jr. guy. The one woman looks a lot like Carolyn’s step-sister. If I can prove that the people in that crowd were Freemans, my next question will be: Why was Carolyn Bessette’s extended family at that rally and given the best seats in the house?

[turiya]

From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.

I agree Paul (sorry Turiya! ;)) - the theory that JFK Jnr is alive (along with Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers... and Elvis... etc!) has been around a lot longer than "Q"... (or "R Anon") :)

Thank you Kiwi. A so-called 'truth bomb' has everything to do with having factual information/evidence to support the claim. Whereas, a 'theory' can live in the minds of many that want to 'believe' in the tooth fairy long after the body has disintegrated into being the excrement of earthworms (yes - I'm calling it total WS! ... along with the rest of your examples of notable 'walking dead' theoretical beliefs.) :)

[Chanie]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/YiZnOExskRQ/
Here’s a breakdown of what I noticed on this video coverage of the 2018 Moon Township, Pennsylvania Trump rally:

6:00 The JFK Jr guy is in the top left corner holding signs.

6:12 At the front, you can see the JFK Jr. guy’s two children. The woman who looks like Caroline Kennedy is beside them.

6:40 The woman who is said to be Carolyn Bessette is to the left in a hat and black top with a scooped neckline. She is beside the man wearing a red vest. The little girl in the red hat is to the left of the JFK guy at the very top.

6:49 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

7:11 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

9:04 The Carolyn person looks over in the direction of the two blonde women. This is right after Trump talks about the fake media and bad people.

10:23 The Carolyn person looks over again. The two people in red on each side of her do too. It seems like the blonde who looks like Melanie Griffith is shouting something.

10:25 The tall man behind the JFK Jr. guy makes some kind of hand gesture and speaks to him. I think he might be telling him to put his signs down—that he can’t see. The little girl is watching this exchange. The girl in khaki who is said to be JFK Jr.’s daughter and the blonde wave to someone directly in front of the camera. Is there someone on the floor (which faces the podium) that they recognize?

10:40 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

11:30 He pushes up his glasses again. The girl in khaki and the blonde beside her are talking.

12:15 Trump talks about 1999.

12:34 Trump says 1999 again. Is it a coincidence that this happens to be the year JFK Jr. died in a plane crash?

13:40 The Melanie Griffith blonde is taking a video, including the JFK Jr. guy in it.

13:54 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

14:40 An Asian woman asks the Carolyn person to take a photo of her. She does. I don’t think they know each other.

15:30 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

16:06 He pushes up his glasses again.

16:10 And again.

16:30 Trump says, “Fake news” and then, turns around and looks in the JFK Jr. guy’s direction. He did this at the 2017 Ohio rally too.

17:53 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

18:22 He moves over to stand behind the little girl in the red cap. He is taking pictures.

19:30 He pushes up his glasses.

20:02 He pushes up his glasses again.

20:30 And again.

21:10 Trump talks about fake news again. He says the word “fake” three times and then, turns and looks in the direction of the Carolyn woman.

22:43 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

23:23 He pushes up his glasses again.

23:57 And again.

25:20 He strokes his moustache for a moment and then, adjusts his glasses.

25:30 The girl in khaki switches places with the blonde woman beside her.

25:51 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

25:54 Trump says that wages haven’t been this good in 19 years. That seems like an odd number to cite until you stop and realize that JFK Jr. died 19 years ago.

27:41 The JFK Jr guy adjusts his glasses.

27:47 Then, he adjusts them again.

29:33 And again.

30:15 And again.

30:38 And again.

31:18 And again.

32:05 And again.

32:54 And again.

33:49 And again.

34:28 And again.

35:25 And again.

35:38 The JFK Jr. guy is talking to the little girl in the red hat.

35:51 He adjusts his glasses.

36:04 The little girl in the red hat moves closer to him.

36:20 The JFK Jr. guy adjusts his glasses.

36:29 He adjusts them again.

37:08 And again.

38:14 And again.

38:50 And again.

After this point, the camera begins to cut off the heads of the people in the top row so it’s hard to observe what’s going on up there. I am going to check out other film versions of this event.

I guess the main observation here is about the ill-fitting glasses. I’ve worn glasses all my life and have occasionally had ones that were loose, but I don’t recall ever having to adjust them so frequently.

It could be a nervous gesture. I knew someone once who did this when he talked to someone. It was like a nervous twitch. If this is the case, I’m not sure why the JFK Jr. guy would be nervous. He’s sitting way at the top on his own and not really talking to anyone except the little girl.

My guess is that these are not prescription glasses and that they’re not fitted by an optician.

The other noteworthy things are:
1) Trump’s references to fake news, how he looks over at them as he says it and how he did this twice during his speech.
2) His reference to 1999 and how he said it twice and
3) His reference to it being 19 years ago.

I guess it could be a coincidence, but it feels like an inside joke.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Chanie, thanks for all the great observations.


Take a look at JFK,jr guys nose around 11:48, it's more obvious when he turns sideways, but it photographs bright white - different from the rest of his face. Could this mean some sort of fake nose/make up? Also, to me, in earlier frames his nose looks somewhat different than at previous rallies.

[ThePythonicCow]

I guess the main observation here is about the ill-fitting glasses. I’ve worn glasses all my life and have occasionally had ones that were loose, but I don’t recall ever having to adjust them so frequently.
A couple of times (I haven't checked all of them) that he adjusted his glasses, it was right after he had looked down. I got the sense that the glasses didn't hold their position when he looked down.

===

P.S. -- After looking at more times he adjusted his glasses, he does it even when he has not just looked down.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I guess the main observation here is about the ill-fitting glasses. I’ve worn glasses all my life and have occasionally had ones that were loose, but I don’t recall ever having to adjust them so frequently.
A couple of times (I haven't checked all of them) that he adjusted his glasses, it was right after he had looked down. I got the sense that the glasses didn't hold their position when he looked down.


But . . . see my post above (#81) if he had a fake nose . . . .added to ill-fitting glasses.

[ThePythonicCow]

But . . . see my post above (#81) if he had a fake nose . . . .added to ill-fitting glasses.
Yes - now that I look at more of his glass adjustments - I too am suspecting a fake nose combined with fake glasses. Thanks.

[Satori]

Among other things, I expected (hoped) that Turiya's posts #30 and #36 on this thread would have put an end to the JFK, Jr. speculation. Even if he is alive, which I doubt, this guy is not JFK, Jr.

[turiya]

Thanks, Satori... But, as it appears, logical, rational & well-grounded thinking is running in short supply.

[KiwiElf]

From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.

I agree Paul (sorry Turiya! ;)) - the theory that JFK Jnr is alive (along with Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers... and Elvis... etc!) has been around a lot longer than "Q"... (or "R Anon") :)

Thank you Kiwi. A so-called 'truth bomb' has everything to do with having factual information/evidence to support the claim. Whereas, a 'theory' can live in the minds of many that want to 'believe' in the tooth fairy long after the body has disintegrated into being the excrement of earthworms (yes - I'm calling it total WS! ... along with the rest of your examples of notable 'walking dead' theoretical beliefs.) :)

LOL :thumbsup:

Well, for the record, (with the exception of Elvis), I do believe they were all murdered including JFK Jnr; that's as far as my "conspiracy theory" beliefs go on the ahhh,... topic(s) :). (And I think "R-Anon" is an imposter - perhaps a useful one by drawing attention to it). But, for the sake of the "What if?", I was trying to be objective, (and will continue to do so) primarily with factual information on Kennedy's airplane/flight that provided a counter argument/spin to what the fakestream media reported.

(I did say it was highly improbable,... but not impossible). :idea:

I don't "know". (Does anyone? Really? ) ;).

[Chanie]

Chanie, thanks for all the great observations.


Take a look at JFK,jr guys nose around 11:48, it's more obvious when he turns sideways, but it photographs bright white - different from the rest of his face. Could this mean some sort of fake nose/make up? Also, to me, in earlier frames his nose looks somewhat different than at previous rallies.

I looked at the footage and can see what you mean. I can’t tell if it’s the lighting or not, but it’s pretty obvious that the man is dressing up as some kind of character or is in disguise. Compare his look to the other people in the crowd.

On another note, have you noticed how much the little girl in the red hat looks like John’s sister Caroline’s girls when they were young—Rose and Tatiana?

[Chanie]

From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.

I agree Paul (sorry Turiya! ;)) - the theory that JFK Jnr is alive (along with Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers... and Elvis... etc!) has been around a lot longer than "Q"... (or "R Anon") :)

Thank you Kiwi. A so-called 'truth bomb' has everything to do with having factual information/evidence to support the claim. Whereas, a 'theory' can live in the minds of many that want to 'believe' in the tooth fairy long after the body has disintegrated into being the excrement of earthworms (yes - I'm calling it total WS! ... along with the rest of your examples of notable 'walking dead' theoretical beliefs.) :)

LOL :thumbsup:

Well, for the record, (with the exception of Elvis), I do believe they were all murdered including JFK Jnr; that's as far as my "conspiracy theory" beliefs go on the ahhh,... topic(s) :). (And I think "R-Anon" is an imposter - perhaps a useful one by drawing attention to it). But, for the sake of the "What if?", I was trying to be objective, (and will continue to do so) primarily with factual information on Kennedy's airplane/flight that provided a counter argument/spin to what the fakestream media reported.

(I did say it was highly improbable,... but not impossible). :idea:

I don't "know". (Does anyone? Really? ) ;).

That’s my approach as well, KiwiElf. I may come to the conclusion that there is no evidence to substantiate the rumour or that my theory is completely wrong, but I won’t do this until I have done the research.

[Chanie]

I was reading this article about JFK Jr’s 1996 wedding and noticed that Carolyn’s sister Lisa as well as her brother-in-law Michael Roman attended.
See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1996/09/24/the-bridegroom-wore-blue/1f9d5ac7-96e6-4dab-97d9-ebf0c595e577/?utm_term=.2b5f587ef6c5

This next article indicates that Lisa and Michael read scriptures at the wedding.
See: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/son-rises-royal-wedding-nuptials-fit-camelot-article-1.740239

This means that if you’re trying to track down family, you might need to look for the name Lisa Roman rather than Bessette. Keep in mind that it was twenty-two years ago. People get divorced. Her name could have changed again.

Then, I happened to read this article about how there was a Michael Roman working for Donald Trump. I believe he may have left this year? As I mentioned earlier, I follow the broad strokes of American politics, but not the fine details so I was taken aback when I read this.
See: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-oppo-researcher-roman-403138

Could Lisa’s husband be working for Trump?

The answer is no, I don’t think so. Due to some other research I’m working on, I think they are two different men, but it’s a coincidence isn’t it?

[Chanie]

Liz Crokin has tweeted about an article on this subject.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/LizCrokin/status/1024892927888117760
Here’s the article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-the-pro-trump-conspiracy-theory-now-believes-jfk-jr-faked-his-death-to-become-its-leader

Liz believes the rumour is true and says she started talking about it months ago, but having read the article, I could see where the rumour might have been planted in order to discredit the Q movement.

However, this doesn’t explain why this JFK Jr guy and his extended family were given the best seats in the house at the PA rally. Also, why hasn’t he been brought forward to quickly squash the rumour? It’s odd.

I’m going to stick to good old-fashioned research. It’s not as glamorous as posting on Twitter or YouTube, but if you put in the time, sometimes you hit the jackpot in terms of answers.

[Noelle]

I was reading this article about JFK Jr’s 1996 wedding and noticed that Carolyn’s sister Lisa as well as her brother-in-law Michael Roman attended.
See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1996/09/24/the-bridegroom-wore-blue/1f9d5ac7-96e6-4dab-97d9-ebf0c595e577/?utm_term=.2b5f587ef6c5

This next article indicates that Lisa and Michael read scriptures at the wedding.
See: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/son-rises-royal-wedding-nuptials-fit-camelot-article-1.740239

This means that if you’re trying to track down family, you might need to look for the name Lisa Roman rather than Bessette. Keep in mind that it was twenty-two years ago. People get divorced. Her name could have changed again.

Then, I happened to read this article about how there was a Michael Roman working for Donald Trump. I believe he may have left this year? As I mentioned earlier, I follow the broad strokes of American politics, but not the fine details so I was taken aback when I read this.
See: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-oppo-researcher-roman-403138

Could Lisa’s husband be working for Trump?

The answer is no, I don’t think so. Due to some other research I’m working on, I think they are two different men, but it’s a coincidence isn’t it?

Funny. I had that sort of "coincidence" happen to me yesterday. I was going through Trump's recent executive orders and found a "William Cooper" nominated by Trump to be General Counsel of the Department of Energy. (Announcement is here (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/ten-nominations-sent-senate-today-5/).) It was just a week or so ago that I posted on the Q thread about what a shocker it would be that the late William Cooper (conspiracy theorists/author of Behold a Pale Horse) is on the Q team. Sorry if it's a little off-topic, but I just wanted to share that synchronicity. :)

[Chanie]

Funny. I had that sort of "coincidence" happen to me yesterday. I was going through Trump's recent executive orders and found a "William Cooper" nominated by Trump to be General Counsel of the Department of Energy. (Announcement is here (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/ten-nominations-sent-senate-today-5/).) It was just a week or so ago that I posted on the Q thread on what a shocker it would be that the late William Cooper (conspiracy theorists/author of Behold a Pale Horse) is on the Q team. Sorry if it's a little off-topic, but I just wanted to share that synchronicity. :)

You’re absolutely right about the synchronicity thing, Noelle. It seems to play an important role in research.

Years ago, I would have spotted that Roman-Trump thing and taken off down that wrong path only to discover later that I’d wasted a lot of time on the wrong bit of information. Now, I just make note of it and move on.

I once had an interesting bit of synchronicity happen to me. Someone contacted me with a research request, but gave me only the vaguest of details. I truly didn’t know where to begin. So, I just got up and walked over to a bookshelf in a place that held literally thousands upon thousands of records; took a random book off the shelf; opened it up to a random page and there was the information. Once I had that information, I was able to do a deeper search.

I truly think our higher selves and/or guides work with us when it comes to this sort of thing.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I'm not that good a computer technician, so hope this pictures comes up.

Note: Sorry couldn't post the picture - go to:
https://www.google.com/search?q=lisa+bessette+sister+of+carolyn&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSmQEJ3y7amUX5Wo0ajQELEKjU2AQaBggVCAAIAwwLELCMpwgaYgpgCAMSKMYb9BvEG5gNrRi4H7kfrQzUH-Ee2C_1wOtAv3i_1YOs8voyXXOtc78ToaMGdZB5sCi-MGe06IZ_1lxLoBSfElbOFdA0nSicLe2cQKcYyTogn2XsPOEdrGJyTA4pSAEDAsQjq7-CBoKCggIARIEXAPtAww&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnn8al6M7cAhWCrFQKHTMpDg0Qwg4IJCgA&biw=1366&bih=631#imgrc=FsEXZccZeiC9nM:

But to me this picture of Michael Roman - profile view, looks like it could be the same Michael Roman that worked for Trump refer to pix of Trump employee here;
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-oppo-researcher-roman-403138

[Chanie]

I'm not that good a computer technician, so hope this pictures comes up.

Note: Sorry couldn't post the picture - go to:
https://www.google.com/search?q=lisa+bessette+sister+of+carolyn&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSmQEJ3y7amUX5Wo0ajQELEKjU2AQaBggVCAAIAwwLELCMpwgaYgpgCAMSKMYb9BvEG5gNrRi4H7kfrQzUH-Ee2C_1wOtAv3i_1YOs8voyXXOtc78ToaMGdZB5sCi-MGe06IZ_1lxLoBSfElbOFdA0nSicLe2cQKcYyTogn2XsPOEdrGJyTA4pSAEDAsQjq7-CBoKCggIARIEXAPtAww&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnn8al6M7cAhWCrFQKHTMpDg0Qwg4IJCgA&biw=1366&bih=631#imgrc=FsEXZccZeiC9nM:

But to me this picture of Michael Roman - profile view, looks like it could be the same Michael Roman that worked for Trump refer to pix of Trump employee here;
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-oppo-researcher-roman-403138

Thanks, Ba-ba-Ra. The first link doesn’t bring up a specific photo for me so it’s hard to make a comparison, but I’ll tuck that in the back of my mind and re-visit it if necessary. At the moment, I’m looking at some other research that would suggest they’re two different guys.

[Chanie]

This is an interesting tweet @ https://mobile.twitter.com/findtruthQ/status/1024876941826875393

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[ThePythonicCow]

But to me this picture of Michael Roman - profile view, looks like it could be the same Michael Roman that worked for Trump refer to pix of Trump employee here;
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-oppo-researcher-roman-403138
According to the text below the picture, the main person pictured in that article is White House counsel Don McGahn, Roman's boss in the Whitehouse, not Michael (Mike) Roman.

This article shows the names of some 16 people in the Whitehouse who have ties to Koch. It shows the images of 15 of these 16. The image for Michael Roman is blanked out. The article is: White House in Chaos: Koch Brothers In Position for the Next Phase (https://checksandbalancesproject.org/white-house-chaos-koch-bros-position-for-the-next-phase/).

If I were Chanie, I might take a second glance at the other evidence I had that these were not the same Michael Roman's :).

P.S. -- This page has several pictures of these people, from 1997, but the people are not named: https://rememberingcbk.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/november-15-1997-meeting-up-with-lauren-lisa-and-possibly-carole/

[Chanie]

I think Carolyn’s sister Lisa is living in Michigan and is, according to one source, “now single.” I knew that the Mike Roman who worked for Trump was married to another woman so I didn’t feel it could be the same man. Now that I know Lisa’s single again, it’s possible the one in Trump’s office is her ex-husband. So far, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of personal information on him.

However, there are a LOT of men by that name in the U.S.A. so for now, I’m assuming it’s just a coincidence.

I’ve also found photos of what I believe might be Lisa’s son and also, what I think is an uncle (on her mother’s side) in Florida. Both men look a lot like John’s wife Carolyn.

For privacy reasons, I won’t go into any more detail than that. I’m really just trying to locate photos that I can then match to the faces at the rally.

[Chanie]

But to me this picture of Michael Roman - profile view, looks like it could be the same Michael Roman that worked for Trump refer to pix of Trump employee here;
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/11/trump-oppo-researcher-roman-403138
According to the text below the picture, the main person pictured in that article is White House counsel Don McGahn, Roman's boss in the Whitehouse.

This article shows the names of some 16 people in the Whitehouse who have ties to Koch. It shows the images of 15 of these 16. The image for Michael Roman is blanked out. The article is: White House in Chaos: Koch Brothers In Position for the Next Phase (https://checksandbalancesproject.org/white-house-chaos-koch-bros-position-for-the-next-phase/).

If I were Chanie, I might take a second glance at the other evidence I had that these were not the same Michael Roman's :).

P.S. -- This page has several pictures of these people, from 1997, but the people are not named: https://rememberingcbk.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/november-15-1997-meeting-up-with-lauren-lisa-and-possibly-carole/

Do you mean the evidence that I (Chanie) had? I think that’s what you’re saying?

It turned out that I was tracking down the wrong Michael and Lisa. This often happens in genealogical research. You’ll be going full steam ahead and then, suddenly realize it’s the wrong person and have to back track to the beginning and start all over again. It’s par for the course with this type of research.

Now that I know they likely divorced, it’s possible Lisa’s Michael and Trump’s Michael are the same person, but I’d have to know a lot more about him before I’d feel comfortable making that conclusion and at a glance, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of personal information on him.

[ThePythonicCow]

Do you mean the evidence that I (Chanie) had? I think that’s what you’re saying?
I think that's what I meant, yes :).

But follow your nose on this.

I just found it rather suspicious that Mike Roman was the one ex-Koch worker whose image was blanked out in that White House in Chaos (https://checksandbalancesproject.org/white-house-chaos-koch-bros-position-for-the-next-phase/) article.


there doesn’t seem to be a lot of personal information on him.
Indeed ... not a lot.

[Chanie]

I’ve been working on Carolyn Bessette Kennedy’s family tree, mostly on her step-father’s side who are Freemans. I think the young woman who appeared in the first photo below (front row, far right side) might have been a cousin. I believe she died in 2015.

She was the daughter of Carolyn’s step-uncle—the brother of Dr. Freeman, her step-father. This step-uncle died in 2014. It’s interesting to note that he was a Home Builder and General Contractor. I’m wondering whether he helped build Carolyn’s parents’ new mansion on the private road—the one I mentioned in an earlier post?

They don’t seem to have lived in it very long and have moved quite a bit in the past nineteen years. This makes me wonder whether the mansion was actually built for JFK Jr. and Carolyn, if they were still alive?

A news article mentioned that Carolyn’s mother had become a recluse after her daughters’ deaths and that both she and their birth father refused to talk about it. Whether due to profound grief or a wish to avoid questions, I feel a great deal of empathy for them. They have had a heavy burden to carry.

See: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+wish+my+daughter+had+never+met+and+married+President+Kennedy%27s+son.-a0119196248

In their later years, it appears as if Carolyn’s parents spent time in south Florida—about a half hour’s drive from Palm Beach. The family does seem to have some Florida connections. As mentioned in a previous post, one of Carolyn’s uncles on her mother’s side lives in Florida. It looks like her Home Builder uncle attended The University of Miami. This is interesting because someone—I think it was Liz Crokin—said there were rumours that JFK Jr. and Carolyn were living in south Florida.

Her parents are getting up in years now and appear to be living with a daughter and family from his first marriage. I’m assuming that’s the connection. She’s about 62 which is about the right age for that. Dr. Freeman had three daughters from that earlier marriage prior to his second marriage to Carolyn’s mother.

The challenge is in finding photos to match the family names so I can compare them to the faces at the 2018 Moon Township PA rally.

I’m attaching one possibility. Do you see a resemblance between the two men? The first guy in the suit was at the rally; the second one is the son of Carolyn’s step-cousin—the grandson of the Home Builder uncle. I’m not sure. It’s hard to tell because of the shaved head and the face is thinner in the second photo, but I’d say both men have red hair.

[Chanie]

This article shows the names of some 16 people in the Whitehouse who have ties to Koch. It shows the images of 15 of these 16. The image for Michael Roman is blanked out.

I found a photo of Trump’s Michael Roman here: https://mobile.twitter.com/mrspanstreppon/status/962923723710976000

I haven’t been able to find a photo of Lisa Bessette’s husband Michael to compare the two. I think Trump’s guy lives in Philadelphia and is in his mid-40’s. If this age is accurate, it probably makes him too young for Lisa as she is 53 now and will be 54 in November.

[ThePythonicCow]

I found a photo of Trump’s Michael Roman here:
Often when I see pictures of important people, I look at their hands to see if they are making gestures that some of the conspiracy theorists I read associate with FreeMasons or some such.

However when I looked at your image of Trump with the Roman's, I found myself looking at Trump's thumbs up, to see if I could interpret that as some sort of "Q" guesture.

:)

[Arcturian108]

I have just reviewed this whole thread as I hadn't noticed it until today. And yes, I may have started this discussion on the Qanon thread on July 21st. But here are my own thoughts now.

Of course, I would love it if JFK Jr. were still alive, so there is always hope. Regarding the facial similarities between JFK Jr. and Vincent Fusca, what I noticed from these two videos from post#36 is that their mouths are quite similar.

John F. Kennedy Jr. – Final TV Interview (May 1999)
(Jan 22, 2017)

Source
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6SCkylrQMs[/url]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSkf4GkfRhw

I just realized something else though, which is kind of a bombshell in that the last name of Vincent Fusca can be regarded as a hint at his being in hiding, for it is a shortened version of the word "obfuscate" meaning to confuse, muddle, mystify!

Then, there is something else from my memories of that actual weekend that he supposedly died in a plane crash of watching the whole thing on television and wondering why the Department of Defense was conducting the investigation when it didn't seem part of their duties. I would have expected some state agency to be conducting it. So if they were trying to hide his faked death, their dominance could have indicated some bigger, long-term plan.

In terms of how Vincent Fusca and his wife's presence at the two Trump rallies, they certainly don't look like they fit in naturally with those crowds, especially Vincent.

[Chanie]

I have just reviewed this whole thread as I hadn't noticed it until today. And yes, I may have started this discussion on the Qanon thread on July 21st. But here are my own thoughts now.

Of course, I would love it if JFK Jr. were still alive, so there is always hope. Regarding the facial similarities between JFK Jr. and Vincent Fusca, what I noticed from these two videos from post#36 is that their mouths are quite similar.

John F. Kennedy Jr. – Final TV Interview (May 1999)
(Jan 22, 2017)

Source
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6SCkylrQMs[/url]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSkf4GkfRhw

I just realized something else though, which is kind of a bombshell in that the last name of Vincent Fusca can be regarded as a hint at his being in hiding, for it is a shortened version of the word "obfuscate" meaning to confuse, muddle, mystify!

Then, there is something else from my memories of that actual weekend that he supposedly died in a plane crash of watching the whole thing on television and wondering why the Department of Defense was conducting the investigation when it didn't seem part of their duties. I would have expected some state agency to be conducting it. So if they were trying to hide his faked death, their dominance could have indicated some bigger, long-term plan.

In terms of how Vincent Fusca and his wife's presence at the two Trump rallies, they certainly don't look like they fit in naturally with those crowds, especially Vincent.

Thanks for your comments, Arcturian. I have a very strong gut feeling that they are alive, but it will be difficult to prove.

Although I’m not 100% certain, I believe that they may have attended the 2017 Youngstown, Ohio rally, but just with their kids. I didn’t see them interact that much with the people around them. At the 2018 Monk Township, PA rally, it appeared as if they knew some if the people around them and also, that these people knew one another. It felt very much like a family reunion.

You’re correct about them standing out visually. It feels as if they were playing characters compared to the “normal” people around them although I know there are some eccentric characters at these rallies. The young people who are said to be their kids were more natural—just being themselves.

[Arcturian108]

Folks, Does anybody know a good palmist? I think these images might indicate that Vincent Fusca is indeed JFK Jr.! Take a look at the right palms:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/23xpCc-QKF4/hqdefault.jpg


And here is Vincent Fusca's right palm at 0:42 mark (I was able to do a screen shot, but don't know how to add it here):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSkf4GkfRhw?t=42

[Debra]

Folks, Does anybody know a good palmist? I think these images might indicate that Vincent Fusca is indeed JFK Jr.! Take a look at the right palms:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/23xpCc-QKF4/hqdefault.jpg


And here is Vincent Fusca's right palm at 0:42 mark (I was able to do a screen shot, but don't know how to add it here):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSkf4GkfRhw?t=42

Here you go, Arcturian108 :flower:

http://a66.tinypic.com/2hs5h69.jpg

http://a67.tinypic.com/apiadd.jpg

http://a68.tinypic.com/2rr9gdu.jpg

http://a67.tinypic.com/uy785.jpg

http://a67.tinypic.com/kdmicp.jpg

[ichingcarpenter]

Is this a joke thread? JFKjr has a distinct head line and heart line across his whole right palm.... ugly man doesn't

Senator Hillary fits into your conspiracy equation exactly how?

I don't get this thread even after reading the whole thing
and I can't see it. ... Sorry

[Chanie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiZnOExskRQ
Here’s a breakdown of what I noticed on this video coverage of the 2018 Moon Township, Pennsylvania Trump rally:

6:00 The JFK Jr guy is in the top left corner holding signs.

6:12 At the front, you can see the JFK Jr. guy’s two children. The woman who looks like Caroline Kennedy is beside them.

6:40 The woman who is said to be Carolyn Bessette is to the left in a hat and black top with a scooped neckline. She is beside the man wearing a red vest. The little girl in the red hat is to the left of the JFK guy at the very top.

6:49 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

7:11 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

9:04 The Carolyn person looks over in the direction of the two blonde women. This is right after Trump talks about the fake media and bad people.

10:23 The Carolyn person looks over again. The two people in red on each side of her do too. It seems like the blonde who looks like Melanie Griffith is shouting something.

10:25 The tall man behind the JFK Jr. guy makes some kind of hand gesture and speaks to him. I think he might be telling him to put his signs down—that he can’t see. The little girl is watching this exchange. The girl in khaki who is said to be JFK Jr.’s daughter and the blonde wave to someone directly in front of the camera. Is there someone on the floor (which faces the podium) that they recognize?

10:40 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

11:30 He pushes up his glasses again. The girl in khaki and the blonde beside her are talking.

12:15 Trump talks about 1999.

12:34 Trump says 1999 again. Is it a coincidence that this happens to be the year JFK Jr. died in a plane crash?

13:40 The Melanie Griffith blonde is taking a video, including the JFK Jr. guy in it.

13:54 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

14:40 An Asian woman asks the Carolyn person to take a photo of her. She does. I don’t think they know each other.

15:30 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

16:06 He pushes up his glasses again.

16:10 And again.

16:30 Trump says, “Fake news” and then, turns around and looks in the JFK Jr. guy’s direction. He did this at the 2017 Ohio rally too.

17:53 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

18:22 He moves over to stand behind the little girl in the red cap. He is taking pictures.

19:30 He pushes up his glasses.

20:02 He pushes up his glasses again.

20:30 And again.

21:10 Trump talks about fake news again. He says the word “fake” three times and then, turns and looks in the direction of the Carolyn woman.

22:43 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

23:23 He pushes up his glasses again.

23:57 And again.

25:20 He strokes his moustache for a moment and then, adjusts his glasses.

25:30 The girl in khaki switches places with the blonde woman beside her.

25:51 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

25:54 Trump says that wages haven’t been this good in 19 years. That seems like an odd number to cite until you stop and realize that JFK Jr. died 19 years ago.

27:41 The JFK Jr guy adjusts his glasses.

27:47 Then, he adjusts them again.

29:33 And again.

30:15 And again.

30:38 And again.

31:18 And again.

32:05 And again.

32:54 And again.

33:49 And again.

34:28 And again.

35:25 And again.

35:38 The JFK Jr. guy is talking to the little girl in the red hat.

35:51 He adjusts his glasses.

36:04 The little girl in the red hat moves closer to him.

36:20 The JFK Jr. guy adjusts his glasses.

36:29 He adjusts them again.

37:08 And again.

38:14 And again.

38:50 And again.

After this point, the camera begins to cut off the heads of the people in the top row so it’s hard to observe what’s going on up there. I am going to check out other film versions of this event.

I guess the main observation here is about the ill-fitting glasses. I’ve worn glasses all my life and have occasionally had ones that were loose, but I don’t recall ever having to adjust them so frequently.

It could be a nervous gesture. I knew someone once who did this when he talked to someone. It was like a nervous twitch. If this is the case, I’m not sure why the JFK Jr. guy would be nervous. He’s sitting way at the top on his own and not really talking to anyone except the little girl.

My guess is that these are not prescription glasses and that they’re not fitted by an optician.

The other noteworthy things are:
1) Trump’s references to fake news, how he looks over at them as he says it and how he did this twice during his speech.
2) His reference to 1999 and how he said it twice and
3) His reference to it being 19 years ago.

I guess it could be a coincidence, but it feels like an inside joke.

It’s interesting that this video which I described in detail has been pulled from YouTube since I posted the link and description here on August 1st. I was organizing my bookmarked information because I’ve gathered so much data and happened to notice that it had been taken down. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I’d think it was a rather odd coincidence.

[Chanie]

Is this a joke thread? JFKjr has a distinct head line and heart line across his whole right palm.... ugly man doesn't

Senator Hillary fits into your conspiracy equation exactly how?

I don't get this thread even after reading the whole thing
and I can't see it. ... Sorry

Some have suggested that the Vincent Fusca fellow and the guy at the 2018 Moon Township PA rally are two different men.

No, it isn’t intended to be a joke. I’m taking a serious look at the rumour as a researcher. I may conclude that the rumour is false or that there isn’t enough evidence to prove that it’s true, but I won’t do so until I have taken a serious look at it.

[Arcturian108]

Debra,
Thanks so much for all those screen shots! I have sent off a query to a palmist I found online to see what he thinks. I hope he responds. Again if there are any palmists reading this please take a look at what admittedly are very poor images and let us know what you think.

[Arcturian108]

Chanie. Thanks for taking this seriously, and I want you to know that the video that you wrote which has been pulled was visible as late as this morning. I did look at some of your timelines.

We need to realize at this point that whether we are on the right track or not, that we may be endangering the lives of several people just by focusing on this. A search on the web quickly shows a lot of talk about it. "Mr. Fusca" may have to disappear right about now.

[Chanie]

Chanie. Thanks for taking this seriously, and I want you to know that the video that you wrote which has been pulled was visible as late as this morning. I did look at some of your timelines.

We need to realize at this point that whether we are on the right track or not, that we may be endangering the lives of several people just by focusing on this. A search on the web quickly shows a lot of talk about it. "Mr. Fusca" may have to disappear right about now.

Hi Arcturian,

That’s one reason why I’ve been deliberately vague about names, dates, places etc. Even if their lives weren’t in danger, it’s really important to protect people’s privacy when it comes to this kind of research. And even public figures deserve respect in that regard so I’m trying to tread carefully.

I guess videos get pulled all the time, especially these days, so it could be a coincidence, but it gave me pause for thought.

If JFK Jr. is alive and did attend those rallies, I feel he must be gearing up to tell the world that he and Carolyn are still around; otherwise, why would he take such a massive risk by appearing in such a public venue with all those cameras and especially with his children in tow? Why would he endanger the lives of his children?

And I am making the assumption that their lives were in danger back in 1999. He’d have to have had a very good reason to fake his own death and put their families through all that, if indeed it’s true that he’s still with us.

[ThePythonicCow]

Is this a joke thread? JFKjr has a distinct head line and heart line across his whole right palm.... ugly man doesn't

I tend to see, as you do, that the palms of the ugly (aka van) man are different from those of JFK Jr.

But that still leaves open, for my mind at least, the possibility, already raised above if I recall correctly, that this van man is not the same person as the similar looking person at the two Trump rallies that Chanie has been studying.


Some have suggested that the Vincent Fusca fellow and the guy at the 2018 Moon Township PA rally are two different men.
Ah - yes - and a possibility raised again, just now :)

[Chanie]

Is this a joke thread? JFKjr has a distinct head line and heart line across his whole right palm.... ugly man doesn't

I tend to see, as you do, that the palms of the ugly (aka van) man are different from those of JFK Jr.

But that still leaves open, for my mind at least, the possibility, already raised above if I recall correctly, that this van man is not the same person as the similar looking person at the two Trump rallies that Chanie has been studying.

That’s my assumption—that they set up the Vincent character or knew about him and then, slipped in the second guy posing as him at the Ohio and PA rallies. This second guy is the one that is said to be JFK Jr.

If JFK Jr. is alive and did go to those rallies, I wonder what his motivation was? Was it just a lark or did they want people to start talking about it? It seems like such a goofy thing to do.

[Noelle]

I was thinking the same, that the Vincent character was some kind of decoy, to muddy the waters on whoever might be paying attention.

I looked into JFK Jr.'s acting experience today and found an article published in People magazine on August 26, 1985, that spotlights JFK Jr.'s acting debut in an off- off-Broadway production of Winners. The name of the play and the plot are interesting, to say the least.

From the article, Acting Up Off-Off-Broadway, John Kennedy Jr. Auditions a New Stage for Himself (https://people.com/archive/acting-up-off-off-broadway-john-kennedy-jr-auditions-a-new-stage-for-himself-vol-24-no-9/):

As the male lead in Winners, a four-character Brian Friel drama that was first seen on Broadway in 1968, he played an Irish-Catholic teenager engaged to marry his pregnant girlfriend. At the end of the 90-minute play, the tragic pair is found drowned. Although the drama is set in Northern Ireland, Kennedy experienced no culture clash. “His accent was specific, right down to a county,” notes Heron. “He hung around someone with that accent and picked it up.”

Kennedy’s debut was one of the theater season’s best-kept secrets. Critics were not welcome, nor was the public. “We didn’t want a circus, something exploitive,” says Heron. Admission was by invitation only, and a heavyweight security guard was posted at the door. The theater filled each night with friends and family, among them Kara Kennedy, Billy Smith, Tony Radziwill. A fit-looking Robert F. Kennedy Jr., with his wife, Emily, made one of his rare public appearances since his drug problems made news two years ago. But immediate family was not front row center. Jacqueline Onassis and Caroline Kennedy missed the show because they were out of town.

Anyone following Trump or QAnon closely will know that the president says "win" and "winning" a lot, to the point of sounding ridiculous sometimes. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHEEka-0mFA

In 2016, he also co-authored a kids' book called Winners Aren't Losers.

Jimmy Kimmel Ghostwrites a Children's Book for Donald Trump Titled Winners Aren't Losers (https://www.eonline.com/de/news/724805/jimmy-kimmel-ghostwrites-a-children-s-book-for-donald-trump-titled-winners-aren-t-losers)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AjgY88HSDA

[Chanie]

I was thinking the same, that the Vincent character was some kind of decoy, to muddy the waters on whoever might be paying attention.

I looked into JFK Jr.'s acting experience today and found an article published in People magazine on August 26, 1985, that spotlights JFK Jr.'s acting debut in an off- off-Broadway production of Winners. The name of the play and the plot are interesting, to say the least.

From the article, Acting Up Off-Off-Broadway, John Kennedy Jr. Auditions a New Stage for Himself (https://people.com/archive/acting-up-off-off-broadway-john-kennedy-jr-auditions-a-new-stage-for-himself-vol-24-no-9/):

As the male lead in Winners, a four-character Brian Friel drama that was first seen on Broadway in 1968, he played an Irish-Catholic teenager engaged to marry his pregnant girlfriend. At the end of the 90-minute play, the tragic pair is found drowned. Although the drama is set in Northern Ireland, Kennedy experienced no culture clash. “His accent was specific, right down to a county,” notes Heron. “He hung around someone with that accent and picked it up.”

Kennedy’s debut was one of the theater season’s best-kept secrets. Critics were not welcome, nor was the public. “We didn’t want a circus, something exploitive,” says Heron. Admission was by invitation only, and a heavyweight security guard was posted at the door. The theater filled each night with friends and family, among them Kara Kennedy, Billy Smith, Tony Radziwill. A fit-looking Robert F. Kennedy Jr., with his wife, Emily, made one of his rare public appearances since his drug problems made news two years ago. But immediate family was not front row center. Jacqueline Onassis and Caroline Kennedy missed the show because they were out of town.

Anyone following Trump or QAnon closely will know that the president says "win" and "winning" a lot, to the point of sounding ridiculous sometimes. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHEEka-0mFA

In 2016, he also co-authored a kids' book called Winners Aren't Losers.

Jimmy Kimmel Ghostwrites a Children's Book for Donald Trump Titled Winners Aren't Losers (https://www.eonline.com/de/news/724805/jimmy-kimmel-ghostwrites-a-children-s-book-for-donald-trump-titled-winners-aren-t-losers)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AjgY88HSDA

Thanks for this information, Noelle. It makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

On another note, I’ve discovered that the PA rally video that was taken down had been posted by Ron Gibson. I guess he’s affiliated with Alex Jones so they took his channel down too. I think I found the video on Bitchute, but am having trouble getting it to play. If I can get it to work and it has the same timestamps, I will post it here in place of the YouTube one.

[RedX]

Can voice prints be altered? Has anyone compared the speech prints of Kennedy and Fusca?

I did notice that Fusca’s hands are similar to Kennedy’s hands. I also noticed that the woman in the photo thought to possibly be kennedy’s wife Carolyn, has a very pointed forefinger. I don’t think surgery would have been done on the hands...

Yes they can. Surgery on the larynx or other parts of the throat would also alter a person's voice.

If memory serves, Adobe recently bought out software (audio "Photoshop") which can accurately mimic another person's voice; all that's needed is a recorded voice sample and you too could sound like JFK Jnr, Sierra (or anyone else). Buttttttt... only in recorded format, not live (as far as I know - I could be wrong about that!) ;)

Can confirm. Had a minor stroke in my 30's which rendered my left vocal chord somewhat "strained". I could barely talk above a whisper and forget about shouting/yelling. Long story short, had throat surgery where they inserted "a shim-like device" to make my left vocal chord come closer to right one, enabling them to vibrate like normal. I sound nothing like I did before.

It's funny, in my head I sound the same, but when I listened to old voicemails...I was like 'who is this guy?'

[Chanie]

Liz Crokin tweeted this today. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/LizCrokin/status/1026734512519016448

[Chanie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiZnOExskRQ
Here’s a breakdown of what I noticed on this video coverage of the 2018 Moon Township, Pennsylvania Trump rally:

6:00 The JFK Jr guy is in the top left corner holding signs.

6:12 At the front, you can see the JFK Jr. guy’s two children. The woman who looks like Caroline Kennedy is beside them.

6:40 The woman who is said to be Carolyn Bessette is to the left in a hat and black top with a scooped neckline. She is beside the man wearing a red vest. The little girl in the red hat is to the left of the JFK guy at the very top.

6:49 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

7:11 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

9:04 The Carolyn person looks over in the direction of the two blonde women. This is right after Trump talks about the fake media and bad people.

10:23 The Carolyn person looks over again. The two people in red on each side of her do too. It seems like the blonde who looks like Melanie Griffith is shouting something.

10:25 The tall man behind the JFK Jr. guy makes some kind of hand gesture and speaks to him. I think he might be telling him to put his signs down—that he can’t see. The little girl is watching this exchange. The girl in khaki who is said to be JFK Jr.’s daughter and the blonde wave to someone directly in front of the camera. Is there someone on the floor (which faces the podium) that they recognize?

10:40 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

11:30 He pushes up his glasses again. The girl in khaki and the blonde beside her are talking.

12:15 Trump talks about 1999.

12:34 Trump says 1999 again. Is it a coincidence that this happens to be the year JFK Jr. died in a plane crash?

13:40 The Melanie Griffith blonde is taking a video, including the JFK Jr. guy in it.

13:54 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

14:40 An Asian woman asks the Carolyn person to take a photo of her. She does. I don’t think they know each other.

15:30 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

16:06 He pushes up his glasses again.

16:10 And again.

16:30 Trump says, “Fake news” and then, turns around and looks in the JFK Jr. guy’s direction. He did this at the 2017 Ohio rally too.

17:53 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

18:22 He moves over to stand behind the little girl in the red cap. He is taking pictures.

19:30 He pushes up his glasses.

20:02 He pushes up his glasses again.

20:30 And again.

21:10 Trump talks about fake news again. He says the word “fake” three times and then, turns and looks in the direction of the Carolyn woman.

22:43 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

23:23 He pushes up his glasses again.

23:57 And again.

25:20 He strokes his moustache for a moment and then, adjusts his glasses.

25:30 The girl in khaki switches places with the blonde woman beside her.

25:51 The JFK Jr. guy pushes up his glasses.

25:54 Trump says that wages haven’t been this good in 19 years. That seems like an odd number to cite until you stop and realize that JFK Jr. died 19 years ago.

27:41 The JFK Jr guy adjusts his glasses.

27:47 Then, he adjusts them again.

29:33 And again.

30:15 And again.

30:38 And again.

31:18 And again.

32:05 And again.

32:54 And again.

33:49 And again.

34:28 And again.

35:25 And again.

35:38 The JFK Jr. guy is talking to the little girl in the red hat.

35:51 He adjusts his glasses.

36:04 The little girl in the red hat moves closer to him.

36:20 The JFK Jr. guy adjusts his glasses.

36:29 He adjusts them again.

37:08 And again.

38:14 And again.

38:50 And again.

After this point, the camera begins to cut off the heads of the people in the top row so it’s hard to observe what’s going on up there. I am going to check out other film versions of this event.

I guess the main observation here is about the ill-fitting glasses. I’ve worn glasses all my life and have occasionally had ones that were loose, but I don’t recall ever having to adjust them so frequently.

It could be a nervous gesture. I knew someone once who did this when he talked to someone. It was like a nervous twitch. If this is the case, I’m not sure why the JFK Jr. guy would be nervous. He’s sitting way at the top on his own and not really talking to anyone except the little girl.

My guess is that these are not prescription glasses and that they’re not fitted by an optician.

The other noteworthy things are:
1) Trump’s references to fake news, how he looks over at them as he says it and how he did this twice during his speech.
2) His reference to 1999 and how he said it twice and
3) His reference to it being 19 years ago.

I guess it could be a coincidence, but it feels like an inside joke.

It’s interesting that this video which I described in detail has been pulled from YouTube since I posted the link and description here on August 1st. I was organizing my bookmarked information because I’ve gathered so much data and happened to notice that it had been taken down. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I’d think it was a rather odd coincidence.

PLEASE NOTE Ron Gibson’s video of the 2018 Moon Valley, PA rally that he posted on BitChute is working now. I can’t embed the video here, but you can go to the link.


https://www.bitchute.com/video/YiZnOExskRQ/

[Chanie]

I happened to be looking at photos of John Kennedy Jr. tonight and noticed something.

In close-up photos where he is looking straight at the camera, you can see that his right eye (on the left side of the screen) appears to be more open than his left eye. His left eye (on the right side of the screen) seems to slant down. I’m not sure if I’m explaining this very well, but if you compare these photos of JFK Jr. to the man who appeared at the rally, you will see that the rally man has the same thing with his eyes.

[Noelle]

It's called Strabismus, or lazy eye, and his father may have had it as well. You will find JFK in this list of famous people with the condition.

https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-with-strabismus/celebrity-lists

[Chanie]

Oh, Thanks for that, Noelle. I didn’t realize it had an actual name. It’s not something I’d noticed in his photos before.

[Noelle]

This is an older tweet (July 12, 2018) by intheMatrix (https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx), an anon who has been reporting on Q probably since it all started. The tweet includes a short video comparing the voices of JFK Jr. and the narrator of The Plan To Save The World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8cp1KvZKPo)video. There are some similarities, but a filter or some other effect must have been applied to the narrator's voice.

The tweet copy (link below will bring you to the video):

Interesting voice comparison. The maker of the Viral Q- Plan to save the world and JFK Jr?

https://twitter.com/inthematrix322/status/1017276850354171904

As a followup, I posted more information on the person behind The Plan to Save the World video in the Q thread today.

I wrote in Post 6121 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1240583&viewfull=1#post1240583):

The person going by the name Joe Masepoes, the name attached to the Storm is Upon Us on YT (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDFe_yKnRf4XM7W_sWbcxtw) and Twitter (https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs) -- maker of the Q - The Plan To Save The World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vw9N96E-aQ) -- did he seem to come out of nowhere?

His name is odd. I googled "Masepoes," and this came up: Jou ma se poes (a derogatory expression in S. Africa). See here (https://www.news24.com/Archives/City-Press/Jou-ma-se-poes-advocate-tells-judge-20150430).

In this tweet thread (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/943903828067409920.html), he uses these hashtags: #QAnon #theGreatAwakening #SouthAfrica. Whoever he is, he seems educated (can write very well).

Via his Thread Reader (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1015378205497352192.html) account, I found this message to anons (those researching Q), published about a month ago: Autists must please focus on decoding Q posts and not whether I am JFK Jnr. Wasted skills. It doesn't sit well with me because it's like forced stolen valor that I don't want to steal. I am not fit to share a cab with that great patriot.

What's interesting is JFK Jr. went to South Africa in the summer after his freshman year in college.

From Brown Alumni Magazine JFK Jr., 1960-1999 (http://www.brownalumnimagazine.com/content/view/1679/40/)

Kennedy was also committed to social issues at Brown, particularly to pressuring U.S. companies into divesting themselves of South African holdings until that country abolished apartheid. After visiting South Africa during the summer after his freshman year, he created a student organization around the issue with his friend Randall Poster '84. Aided by Kennedy's political connections, the group brought notable speakers to campus, including Helen Suzman, a South African parliamentarian, and Andrew Young, who had recently left his post as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations but had not yet been elected mayor of Atlanta. At last month's U.N. tribute to Kennedy, Young spoke of seeing him at Brown: "He wore his father's sport coat," he said. "Here was this tall, skinny, nineteen-year-old preparing himself to fill his father's shoes." Despite his campus activism, Kennedy resisted a political future. When political science professor Ed Beiser asked if he wanted to run for office, he replied, "My mother would kill me!"

[Chanie]

This is an older tweet (July 12, 2018) by intheMatrix (https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx), an anon who has been reporting on Q probably since it all started. The tweet includes a short video comparing the voices of JFK Jr. and the narrator of The Plan To Save The World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8cp1KvZKPo)video. There are some similarities, but a filter or some other effect must have been applied to the narrator's voice.

The tweet copy (link below will bring you to the video):

Interesting voice comparison. The maker of the Viral Q- Plan to save the world and JFK Jr?

https://twitter.com/inthematrix322/status/1017276850354171904

As a followup, I posted more information on the person behind The Plan to Save the World video in the Q thread today.

I wrote in Post 6121 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1240583&viewfull=1#post1240583):

The person going by the name Joe Masepoes, the name attached to the Storm is Upon Us on YT (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDFe_yKnRf4XM7W_sWbcxtw) and Twitter (https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs) -- maker of the Q - The Plan To Save The World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vw9N96E-aQ) -- did he seem to come out of nowhere?

His name is odd. I googled "Masepoes," and this came up: Jou ma se poes (a derogatory expression in S. Africa). See here (https://www.news24.com/Archives/City-Press/Jou-ma-se-poes-advocate-tells-judge-20150430).

In this tweet thread (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/943903828067409920.html), he uses these hashtags: #QAnon #theGreatAwakening #SouthAfrica. Whoever he is, he seems educated (can write very well).

Via his Thread Reader (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1015378205497352192.html) account, I found this message to anons (those researching Q), published about a month ago: Autists must please focus on decoding Q posts and not whether I am JFK Jnr. Wasted skills. It doesn't sit well with me because it's like forced stolen valor that I don't want to steal. I am not fit to share a cab with that great patriot.

What's interesting is JFK Jr. went to South Africa in the summer after his freshman year in college.

From Brown Alumni Magazine JFK Jr., 1960-1999 (http://www.brownalumnimagazine.com/content/view/1679/40/)

Kennedy was also committed to social issues at Brown, particularly to pressuring U.S. companies into divesting themselves of South African holdings until that country abolished apartheid. After visiting South Africa during the summer after his freshman year, he created a student organization around the issue with his friend Randall Poster '84. Aided by Kennedy's political connections, the group brought notable speakers to campus, including Helen Suzman, a South African parliamentarian, and Andrew Young, who had recently left his post as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations but had not yet been elected mayor of Atlanta. At last month's U.N. tribute to Kennedy, Young spoke of seeing him at Brown: "He wore his father's sport coat," he said. "Here was this tall, skinny, nineteen-year-old preparing himself to fill his father's shoes." Despite his campus activism, Kennedy resisted a political future. When political science professor Ed Beiser asked if he wanted to run for office, he replied, "My mother would kill me!"

Interesting! I guess that’s the appeal of this story—that there are a lot of little clues to indicate that he might be alive, but not much hard evidence.

So far, I’ve been able to determine that:

1) The two people said to be JFK Jr. and Carolyn appear to be playing “characters” at the Ohio and PA rallies compared to the other “normal” people around them.

2) The JFK Jr. guy had some kind of issue with his glasses not fitting correctly at the PA rally—was constantly pushing them up—which leads me to conclude that they weren’t fitted by an optician and were likely part of a disguise. Under a magnifying glass, there also appears to be bumpy material along the bridge of his nose—perhaps to widen the look of it?

3) Both JFK Jr. and the guy at the rally had a tiny mole on the pinky finger of their right hand and Strabismus or what is known as “lazy eye.”

4) These two people knew each other and appear to have at least three children—an older girl who resembles Carolyn; an older boy and a younger girl who resembles Jackie Kennedy’s side of the house. The two older children arrived with the JFK Jr guy and the Carolyn person at the Ohio rally. The JFK Jr. fellow appeared to be an attentive parent to the little girl at the PA rally.

5) The JFK Jr guy appeared to know some of the people around him at the PA rally; in turn, quite a few of the people knew one another.

6) Somehow, this fellow was able to reserve the best seats at the PA rally for not only himself, his partner and children, but presumably, for some of the other people around him. He also got good seats at the Ohio rally. Whoever he is, he has some kind of influence—more than I would expect that Vincent Fusca guy would have.

7) At least two other people at the PA rally resemble people in Carolyn’s extended family. The closest match is the glamorous blonde woman in black who looks like Melanie Griffith. She is a dead ringer for the girl who appears in Carolyn’s childhood photos. Although I haven’t been able to track down her name so far, I believe she is likely a daughter from Dr. Freeman’s first marriage prior to his marriage to Carolyn’s mother. Under magnification, both women appear to be wearing a large ring with a dark stone on their “wedding ring” finger, but it’s not clear enough to match them. There is also a red-haired man who looks a bit like Carolyn’s cousin’s son.

8) Carolyn’s parents seem to have gone to extraordinary lengths to protect their privacy. They also seem to have moved a lot in the past twenty years—more often than you would expect a prominent doctor to move. The doctors I know build themselves mansions in exclusive spots and stay there.

9) Carolyn’s family appear to have ties to Florida including her parents who lived there. Rumours have suggested that JFK Jr. was living in south Florida.

10) And perhaps the most tantalizing clue/coincidence is the fact that Lisa Bessette's husband was Mike Roman and that a fellow named Mike Roman worked for Donald Trump as some kind of mysterious researcher. The latter has a previous address that is just south of Miami.

I keep looking at these two photos and thinking that the two men look alike. The man in the first photo with the Bessettes is unidentified, but I’m wondering if it’s Lisa’s Mike Roman as there was some indication that he was with them that day. The second is the Mike Roman who worked at the White House. I’ve found a second photo of him on his partner’s Facebook page that is an even closer match, but it’s too fuzzy to post here.

The only stumbling block is the latter’s given age—around 46 compared to Lisa’s 53. I would expect her ex-husband to be a bit older.

I may have missed something, but those are the points that come to mind. It’s disappointing to discover how few photos there are of Carolyn’s family, especially since I’ve been able to determine most of their names etc. I guess that in itself may be a clue—that they may have been cautioned about posting photos of themselves online. When I have found a photo, it doesn’t appear to match anyone in the PA crowd.

At this point, it will take a lucky break to move the research forward. These kinds of breaks do happen. In the meantime, I will “play” with it when I have time. I don’t view it as a waste of time, but rather as a relaxing hobby the way that other people play golf. Even Superman took some “down time” from saving the world.

[Noelle]

You've done a lot a diligent work in a short time, Chanie. :clapping: But yes, there seem to be a lot of clues, and yet it may be something that we can't prove working from our computers (using search engines that are rigged against us).

I've watched the short Vincent Fusca vid a few times, and a couple of "possible" anomalies stood out: One is his voice. I've never heard anyone with that kind pitch combined with what sounds like a NYC accent (but could be a Boston accent). Vincent's voice actually surprised me; it did not seem to fit his appearance. The second is the hair. He's got all this dark almost bushy hair and then a bald spot. Could it be a wig? Are there any Kennedy family members with that kind of bald spot?

[Chanie]

You've done a lot a diligent work in a short time, Chanie. :clapping: But yes, there seem to be a lot of clues, and yet it may be something that we can't prove working from our computers (using search engines that are rigged against us).

I've watched the short Vincent Fusca vid a few times, and a couple of "possible" anomalies stood out: One is his voice. I've never heard anyone with that kind pitch combined with what sounds like a NYC accent (but could be a Boston accent). Vincent's voice actually surprised me; it did not seem to fit his appearance. The second is the hair. He's got all this dark almost bushy hair and then a bald spot. Could it be a wig? Are there any Kennedy family members with that kind of bald spot?

Yes, one of the frustrations has been the lack of access to primary source material.

I’ve seen the bald spot that you mentioned. You raise a valid point. I guess male pattern baldness can be inherited from either side, but is slightly more dominant on the mother’s side.

See: https://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/mens-health/articles/2011/02/22/what-causes-hair-loss-9-myths-about-baldness

I haven’t seen a photo of Jackie’s dad as an older man, but I know Joe Kennedy Sr. had a receding hairline.

I’ve been looking through footage and images of rallies, especially in the PA and Ohio area and have been making note of anyone who stands out or who appears as if they might be wearing a wig.

I am attaching two examples at the bottom of this post, but was unable to upload a marked copy of the second one.

In the first, I’ve circled a woman in the front row to the left. She’s in a khaki sweater and to me, the hair looks like it might be a wig. She has the same pointed features as the Carolyn woman.

In the second, the man is between Trump and the other man; near the front; to the right of the woman in navy; just above the woman at the front who is taking a picture with her phone; looks like the Vincent Fusca character without a hat.

Both were taken on October 10, 2016, but the first is a screenshot from the Wilkes Barre rally.

See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Cb9C1N8oE

The second is from Google images and was labelled Ambridge, PA with the same date. I haven’t looked into whether Trump stopped in two places that day or whether it’s a mislabelling. I just made note of the people and moved on.

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[Noelle]

Looking at the second photo, at the man you identify as the Vincent character, he is wearing a coat. Nothing wrong with wearing a coat when it's cold, but most of the people in that frame are wearing short-sleeved shirts.

There may be nothing to this, but in the Brown Alumni article (http://www.brownalumnimagazine.com/content/view/1679/40/) that I quoted in a previous post, it mentions JFK Jr. wearing his father's sport coat at Brown University. One might speculate that the jacket is sentimental to him. It could be that JFK Jr. kept and treasured many of his father's garments.

Kennedy was also committed to social issues at Brown, particularly to pressuring U.S. companies into divesting themselves of South African holdings until that country abolished apartheid. After visiting South Africa during the summer after his freshman year, he created a student organization around the issue with his friend Randall Poster '84. Aided by Kennedy's political connections, the group brought notable speakers to campus, including Helen Suzman, a South African parliamentarian, and Andrew Young, who had recently left his post as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations but had not yet been elected mayor of Atlanta. At last month's U.N. tribute to Kennedy, Young spoke of seeing him at Brown: "He wore his father's sport coat," he said. "Here was this tall, skinny, nineteen-year-old preparing himself to fill his father's shoes." Despite his campus activism, Kennedy resisted a political future. When political science professor Ed Beiser asked if he wanted to run for office, he replied, "My mother would kill me!"

[ThePythonicCow]

Do we have any idea what sort of family and close friends that the "real" Vincent Fusca guy has, the trump van man?

If he had family and close friends that resembled what we might expect various Kennedy's to look like now, then (if we also conclude that the van man is not the same as the rally man) that would provide a far more mundane explanation for many of your fine observations, Chanie?

[Chanie]

Looking at the second photo, at the man you identify as the Vincent character, he is wearing a coat. Nothing wrong with wearing a coat when it's cold, but most of the people in that frame are wearing short-sleeved shirts.

There may be nothing to this, but in the Brown Alumni article (http://www.brownalumnimagazine.com/content/view/1679/40/) that I quoted in a previous post, it mentions JFK Jr. wearing his father's sport coat at Brown University. One might speculate that the jacket is sentimental to him. It could be that JFK Jr. kept and treasured many of his father's garments.

Kennedy was also committed to social issues at Brown, particularly to pressuring U.S. companies into divesting themselves of South African holdings until that country abolished apartheid. After visiting South Africa during the summer after his freshman year, he created a student organization around the issue with his friend Randall Poster '84. Aided by Kennedy's political connections, the group brought notable speakers to campus, including Helen Suzman, a South African parliamentarian, and Andrew Young, who had recently left his post as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations but had not yet been elected mayor of Atlanta. At last month's U.N. tribute to Kennedy, Young spoke of seeing him at Brown: "He wore his father's sport coat," he said. "Here was this tall, skinny, nineteen-year-old preparing himself to fill his father's shoes." Despite his campus activism, Kennedy resisted a political future. When political science professor Ed Beiser asked if he wanted to run for office, he replied, "My mother would kill me!"

Good point, Noelle. His look doesn’t really fit in with the rest of the crowd, that’s for sure.

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Do we have any idea what sort of family and close friends that the "real" Vincent Fusca guy has, the trump van man?

If he had family and close friends that resembled what we might expect various Kennedy's to look like now, then (if we also conclude that the van man is not the same as the rally man) that would provide a far more mundane explanation for many of your fine observations, Chanie?

That’s an excellent idea, Paul. I’ll see what I can do. I know I did a quick look at the records to confirm that there are people by that name, but I didn’t dig any deeper than that.

[Chanie]

Do we have any idea what sort of family and close friends that the "real" Vincent Fusca guy has, the trump van man?

If he had family and close friends that resembled what we might expect various Kennedy's to look like now, then (if we also conclude that the van man is not the same as the rally man) that would provide a far more mundane explanation for many of your fine observations, Chanie?

According to one resource, there is one Fusca family and six Fusco families in Pennsylvania. The Fusca family is Vincent E. Fusca and he lives in Pittsburgh, specifically Monroeville. This matches the information that people were citing in regard to the “real” Vincent. He is/was a Branch Manager of a store called New York & Company.

He is in his 60’s and another resource indicates that he is 66 years of age. There are some other names who are associated with him including a woman in her 60’s and at least three people in their 30’s. There are no young or teenage kids in the house as far as I can tell. I guess it’s possible that he brought his grandchildren to the Ohio and PA rallies?

NOTE: I am 100% certain that the three children whom I mentioned in previous posts are connected to the man and woman at the PA rally so I would need to see other photos of them with the 66 year old Vincent Fusca and/or his wife to believe that we’re talking about one Vincent and not two—that is, a real one and another guy posing as him.

I will see if I can find any younger people connected with him and/or photos. Mostly, the photos that have popped up so far are the ones we’ve seen.

[Chanie]

Two of the names associated with the “real” Vincent Fusca are Amadeo and Damien/Damiano. They’re in their 30’s. They seem to be involved in acting, comedy and film production. If you do a search on their names+pittsburgh, lots will come up. For instance: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/east/2013/03/28/Churchill-comedian-Fusca-is-ready-for-big-time/stories/201303280271.

Do you see anyone at the rally who looks like them?

To muddy the waters, I found a photo of a little girl in Pittsburgh named Ruby Fusca who looks like the little girl at the PA rally. You may recall that at the Ohio rally, the JFK Jr. guy was carrying a sign that had the words “Ruby Cute” on it? Everyone said that Ruby was the name of Carolyn’s cat. I haven’t found a connection between this girl and the “real” Vincent Fusca, but the geography of Pittsburgh is correct.

Due to her age, I won’t post her photo here, but you can go to the link to see it.
http://www.whsd.net/8/News/56692#sthash.Zhf0rPfq.9DXLIYVf.dpbs

[Chanie]

A woman named Catherine Fusca who appears to be Vincent’s partner is listed as being a registered Democrat. See: https://www.mylife.com/catherine-fusca/catherine-fusca

If you look at Amadeo Fusca’s Twitter account, he doesn’t appear to be a fan of Trump. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/apfusca

If true, it’s unlikely that Vincent Fusca’s family would attend the Trump rally and in the case of his partner Catherine, it’s unlikely that she would cheer so enthusiastically at everything Trump said.

I think I’m going to take a break from this for a while.

[ThePythonicCow]

I think I’m going to take a break from this for a while.
Thanks for this wonderful trip down research lane.

I await the day when the rally version of Vincent Fusca is invited by Trump, at a rally, to stand up. Then Trump introduces him as the real JFK Jr, and JFK Jr tears off his fake hair, hat and glasses, to reveal his true embodiment, still alive.

No doubt this is yet another of my pleasant little fantasies that will never become reality, but it's an enjoyable one.

Then your work here, Chanie, will make you famous ... for fifteen minutes (https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/fifteen-minutes-of-fame.html) anyway :).

[KiwiElf]

I happened to be looking at photos of John Kennedy Jr. tonight and noticed something.

In close-up photos where he is looking straight at the camera, you can see that his right eye (on the left side of the screen) appears to be more open than his left eye. His left eye (on the right side of the screen) seems to slant down. I’m not sure if I’m explaining this very well, but if you compare these photos of JFK Jr. to the man who appeared at the rally, you will see that the rally man has the same thing with his eyes.

Have you also noticed the similarity in their noses & lips (front-on anyway) - particularly the little dip most of us have in the upper lip, just below the nose (I have no idea what that's called...?) ;)

Taking into account the age difference, JFK Jnr would be 56 yrs old now, that looks about right for Fusca... (I wish we could see Fusca's ears ... & without the beard or glasses for a decent comparison)

Normally, aging tends to point the nose more downward & lips/mouth become a bit wider, along with all the furrows, wrinkles & laugh lines increasing... hmmmm might be time to do some PhotoShop "what ifs...?"

[Chanie]

I think I’m going to take a break from this for a while.
Thanks for this wonderful trip down research lane.

I await the day when the rally version of Vincent Fusca is invited by Trump, at a rally, to stand up. Then Trump introduces him as the real JFK Jr, and JFK Jr tears off his fake hair, hat and glasses, to reveal his true embodiment, still alive.

No doubt this is yet another of my pleasant little fantasies that will never become reality, but it's an enjoyable one.

Then your work here, Chanie, will make you famous ... for fifteen minutes (https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/fifteen-minutes-of-fame.html) anyway :).

Well, that wasn’t exactly why I took on this research project. Initially, it was just a “could this be?” curiosity; then, I began to notice some odd things in the footage. I haven’t given up on it, but realized that I needed to take a step back, re-group and then, come back to it with fresh eyes. This often happens with research. Sometimes, the re-group part is just going out for a short walk around the block to clear the head.

I have a lot of unanswered questions about who these people at the Ohio and PA rallies were.

In Ohio, the man and woman were together. The woman doesn’t really look like someone in her mid-60’s; also, the “real” Vincent Fusca’s wife is—or was at some point—a registered Democrat. Does this mean that the woman cheering at the Trump rallies had some kind of sudden “road to Damascus” conversion? Why did it look like they were being carefully protected by security, especially at the Ohio rally? Why did Trump turn repeatedly in their direction when talking about “fake news” and in one case, why did the security guy laugh when he said it?

The “real” Vincent Fusca and his partner are too old to be the parents of two teenagers and a young child; also, there aren’t any young people listed in their household. We know from the Ohio footage that Vincent, his partner and the two teens arrived together and were closely followed by the security guy. If they belong together, why didn’t they sit together at the two rallies, especially when they arrived early and could choose where they sat? I know there are teens who don’t want to be seen anywhere near their parents, but this didn’t seem to be the case at the Ohio rally. They arrived together, the kids were following behind their parents in the same aisle and then, ended up in a different aisle.

There are just a bunch of odd little details that don’t add up. I’m not at all convinced that the man at the rally was the “real” Vincent Fusca. If it wasn’t Vincent and it wasn’t JFK Jr, who was he?

On another note, I was interested in reading that JFK Jr. did his flight training in Vero Beach, Florida.
See: http://www.aviationsafetymagazine.com/issues/36_6/features/Revisiting-JFK-Jr_11190-1.html

Vero Beach is about a 49 minute drive to Stuart, Florida where Carolyn’s parents lived.
See: https://www.distance-cities.com/distance-vero-beach-fl-to-stuart-fl

The fact that he did his training down there means he would be familiar with that part of Florida.

[Chanie]

I happened to be looking at photos of John Kennedy Jr. tonight and noticed something.

In close-up photos where he is looking straight at the camera, you can see that his right eye (on the left side of the screen) appears to be more open than his left eye. His left eye (on the right side of the screen) seems to slant down. I’m not sure if I’m explaining this very well, but if you compare these photos of JFK Jr. to the man who appeared at the rally, you will see that the rally man has the same thing with his eyes.

Have you also noticed the similarity in their noses & lips (front-on anyway) - particularly the little dip most of us have in the upper lip, just below the nose (I have no idea what that's called...?) ;)

Taking into account the age difference, JFK Jnr would be 56 yrs old now, that looks about right for Fusca... (I wish we could see Fusca's ears ... & without the beard or glasses for a decent comparison)

Normally, aging tends to point the nose more downward & lips/mouth become a bit wider, along with all the furrows, wrinkles & laugh lines increasing... hmmmm might be time to do some PhotoShop "what ifs...?"

Yes, and what are the odds of the two men having that tiny mole in the exact spot on their pinky fingers on their right hand? You have to use a magnifying glass to really spot that one.

It’s odd that the “real” Vincent has never stepped forward to clarify the situation—to offer tangible proof that he was the guy in the film footage of the Ohio and PA rallies...or to deny being there.

[Noelle]

I've been putting some focus on his apparel -- the jacket(s) he is wearing or carrying even when those around him are dressed for warmer temperatures. Then there is the hat Vincent wears -- a Fedora? JFK has been linked to the demise of the hat-wearing tradition, but an image search of JFK Jr. will return many photos of him wearing hats.

Attached is one photo of JFK wearing a hat (credit: JFK Library).

Here is link to other photos of JFK donning hats:
https://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/Media-Gallery/JFK-Wears-a-Hat.aspx

[Arcturian108]

I have just a few disjointed thoughts on this story now. One is that I have seen many photos of JFK Jr. and Donald Trump together looking like they were not just casual friends, but really close friends. Thus if JFK Jr. was alive he would be so supportive of Donald becoming president. Then the Trump mobile he (Fusca) created makes more sense. Also that Trump mobile would have been a very expensive project, but something that was easily doable with the kind of wealth that a Kennedy would have access to.

The other thought I am having is trying to imagine hiding for the past 19 years and the itch to return to former places of familiarity and some more normal existence, even if one can't completely resolve the situation. The woman at the rallies looked heavily tanned, as compared to all the previous photos we have seen of JFK Jr.'s wife. That indicates to me that they would have spent a lot of time in other countries with a warm year-round climate, and may have only recently returned to the States.

I don't think that Fusca will openly address the issue of his identify, and can only imagine that he will disappear from this point forward, because whether he is or isn't JFK. Jr. his life is now in danger. If in six months from now he is still living in Pittsburgh then he is unlikely to be JFK. Jr.

[Chanie]

I have just a few disjointed thoughts on this story now. One is that I have seen many photos of JFK Jr. and Donald Trump together looking like they were not just casual friends, but really close friends. Thus if JFK Jr. was alive he would be so supportive of Donald becoming president. Then the Trump mobile he (Fusca) created makes more sense. Also that Trump mobile would have been a very expensive project, but something that was easily doable with the kind of wealth that a Kennedy would have access to.

The other thought I am having is trying to imagine hiding for the past 19 years and the itch to return to former places of familiarity and some more normal existence, even if one can't completely resolve the situation. The woman at the rallies looked heavily tanned, as compared to all the previous photos we have seen of JFK Jr.'s wife. That indicates to me that they would have spent a lot of time in other countries with a warm year-round climate, and may have only recently returned to the States.

I don't think that Fusca will openly address the issue of his identify, and can only imagine that he will disappear from this point forward, because whether he is or isn't JFK. Jr. his life is now in danger. If in six months from now he is still living in Pittsburgh then he is unlikely to be JFK. Jr.

I thought about the expense factor as well. Some articles indicated that he’d travelled to a number of U.S. states with it. That’s something that wouldn’t be cheap. It made me wonder if someone had hired the “real” Fusca to go around with the Trumpmobile—that he was told it was some kind of PR work for the Trump campaign. I do think there is a real man in Pittsburgh by that name. I don’t believe he’s the man who appeared in the footage of the Ohio and PA rallies.

What I don’t know is who that man was. It’s fairly obvious to me that he and his wife were playing characters—were in some kind of disguise. Was it JFK Jr? I don’t know. So far, there’s no hard evidence to suggest that it was.

[Chanie]

There may not be hard evidence, but there are interesting little breadcrumbs.

If you look at the rally woman’s index finger (closest to the thumb) on the right hand, you will notice that the top third of it bends towards her other fingers. Carolyn Bessette Kennedy’s index finger on her right hand has a similar bend.

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[Arcturian108]

I found a photo in a Washington Post article debunking Q, and am amazed at the likeness of Carolyn Bessette Kennedy to the woman at the rally, but I am afraid I lack the technical expertise to post it here, although I tried. The Washington Post article though, is still up here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/08/05/jfk-jr-didnt-die-he-runs-qanon-and-hes-no-1-trump-fan-omg/
Maybe one of you with more skills can find the photo I am referring to and post it next?

Besides the smile and her nose, take a look at her ear.

[KiwiElf]

Maybe one of you with more skills can find the photo I am referring to and post it next?

Besides the smile and her nose, take a look at her ear.

Hi Arcturian108,

Do you mean this one?

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[Chanie]

I found a photo in a Washington Post article debunking Q, and am amazed at the likeness of Carolyn Bessette Kennedy to the woman at the rally, but I am afraid I lack the technical expertise to post it here, although I tried. The Washington Post article though, is still up here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/08/05/jfk-jr-didnt-die-he-runs-qanon-and-hes-no-1-trump-fan-omg/
Maybe one of you with more skills can find the photo I am referring to and post it next?

Besides the smile and her nose, take a look at her ear.

Here’s a close-up.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I don't think this has been discussed here.

Carolyn Bessette Kennedy wore her ring high on her finger. (not pushed all the way down)
Woman at Trump rally also wears her ring high.

Also, the extra tooth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMn4tYLz6NU

[Antagenet]

Whether or not JFK Jr was at the Trump rally, or is Q, the smartest thing he could have done to protect himself and his family, and to give his kids a normal upbringing, and his wife the privacy she liked, was to FAKE their deaths. He had the contacts and the funds to do it. What convinced me was that they didn't take his beloved dog on the plane with them, and he apparently went everywhere with them, and then someone picked him up after the deaths and just dissapeared. I do have a strong intuition JFK Jr is alive and I hope he found a good life, safe from the demonic cabal.

[Chanie]

I have managed to build a working family tree for Carolyn’s family with names, places and a few photos. In an ideal world, I’d be able to link a photo of her family member to someone at the PA rally and say, “Yes, it’s an exact match!” That would be hard evidence or very close to it.

On the other end of the scale, there is just wild speculation or trying to hammer a square bit of evidence into a round hole just to prove one’s premise—that JFK Jr. is still alive. I’m trying to avoid doing that.

However, I think these photos fall somewhere in-between proof and speculation.

When I look at this elderly man in the audience at the PA rally—the fellow sitting in the front row just to the right of the podium/screen in the first photo—it reminds me of the man who appeared in Carolyn’s childhood photos. NOTE: He’s on the far left in the second childhood photo and is wearing a short-sleeved plaid shirt.

He has the same snapping brown eyes. Keep in mind that it’s 25-30 years later. I haven’t identified the man in the childhood photos, but am wondering if it’s Carolyn’s step-uncle? To my knowledge, Dr. Freeman had two brothers. I believe one is still alive and would be 87-88 years old. The fellow at the rally would be about that age.

I also suspect that the woman in the black-and-white striped sweater (to the right of the podium/screen in the fourth photo) might be Carolyn’s mother. She may have grown out her hair to change her look or it may be a wig, but the face and neck are quite similar. I think she will turn 80 next year. When I watch the PA rally footage, her mannerisms and look remind me of the Carolyn woman.

See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ju5hV6aDIs

[Chanie]

Whether or not JFK Jr was at the Trump rally, or is Q, the smartest thing he could have done to protect himself and his family, and to give his kids a normal upbringing, and his wife the privacy she liked, was to FAKE their deaths. He had the contacts and the funds to do it. What convinced me was that they didn't take his beloved dog on the plane with them, and he apparently went everywhere with them, and then someone picked them up after the deaths and just dissapeared. I do have a strong intuition JFK Jr is alive and I hope he found a good life, safe from the demonic cabal.

I hope for that too, Antagenet. I really do.

[Arcturian108]

Maybe one of you with more skills can find the photo I am referring to and post it next?

Besides the smile and her nose, take a look at her ear.

Hi Arcturian108,

Do you mean this one?

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Yes, that's exactly right. So happy you could get it up. Maybe someone can tell me how to capture these photos that are without specific url's?

[Arcturian108]

One new thought I had today is that of the manner that they might have faked their deaths. They chose to do it via a plane crash over the ocean, not over land, so that there would be no unintended witnesses. Thus the total narrative was controlled by the Department of Defense, and not by any local police or state agencies which would have involved a lot more people.

[Chanie]

Maybe one of you with more skills can find the photo I am referring to and post it next?

Besides the smile and her nose, take a look at her ear.

Hi Arcturian108,

Do you mean this one?

38766

Yes, that's exactly right. So happy you could get it up. Maybe someone can tell me how to capture these photos that are without specific url's?

To take a screen shot using an ipad, see: https://m.wikihow.com/Take-a-Screenshot-With-an-iPad

To take a screenshot using Windows on a computer, see: https://m.wikihow.com/Take-a-Screenshot-in-Microsoft-Windows

[Noelle]

Besides the events surrounding their deaths, there were certainly some post-death anomalies, such as the quick cremation of all three bodies followed by a swift and private scattering of their ashes at sea via Navy war vessel the USS Briscoe. There were also reports of fighting amongst Kennedy clan members and the Bessettes over what to do with their remains.

A few post-death articles:

Ted Kennedy identifies remains - https://www.deseretnews.com/article/708563/JFK-Jrs-body-recovered.html

Tension between Kennedy and Bessette families - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486083/Kennedys-fought-bodies-buried-JFK-Jr-plane-crash-bullied-heartbroken-mother-wife-Carolyn.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486083/Kennedys-fought-bodies-buried-JFK-Jr-plane-crash-bullied-heartbroken-mother-wife-Carolyn.html)

Using a warship for the scattering ceremony - http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/22/uss.briscoe/index.html

Scattering of their ashes at sea - https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jul/22/kennedy.usa2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igW3JJ3b0ek

[KiwiElf]

Maybe one of you with more skills can find the photo I am referring to and post it next?

Besides the smile and her nose, take a look at her ear.

Hi Arcturian108,

Do you mean this one?

38766

Yes, that's exactly right. So happy you could get it up. Maybe someone can tell me how to capture these photos that are without specific url's?

And for a Mac, press the Command + Shift + 3 keys; (your Mac will make a sound like a camera shutter - the Command key is the one either side of your space bar with an Apple &/OR "Squiggle"/COMMAND icon on it, depending on the model ;)). The Image will be saved to a folder you can designate in your preferences. ;)

[KiwiElf]

One new thought I had today is that of the manner that they might have faked their deaths. They chose to do it via a plane crash over the ocean, not over land, so that there would be no unintended witnesses. Thus the total narrative was controlled by the Department of Defense, and not by any local police or state agencies which would have involved a lot more people.

Yup,.. see the first page of this thread ;)

[Arcturian108]

Maybe one of you with more skills can find the photo I am referring to and post it next?

Besides the smile and her nose, take a look at her ear.

Hi Arcturian108,

Do you mean this one?

38766

Yes, that's exactly right. So happy you could get it up. Maybe someone can tell me how to capture these photos that are without specific url's?

And for a Mac, press the Command + Shift + 3 keys; (your Mac will make a sound like a camera shutter - the Command key is the one either side of your space bar with an Apple &/OR "Squiggle"/COMMAND icon on it, depending on the model ;)). The Image will be saved to a folder you can designate in your preferences. ;)

KiwiElf,
I am not having trouble saving a screen shot to my PC desktop. But I am having trouble loading it to this site, when the site seems to require a url link.

[Chanie]

I am not having trouble saving a screen shot to my PC desktop. But I am having trouble loading it to this site, when the site seems to require a url link.

I was having the same issue, Arcturian. Herve told me to use “Go Advanced.” From there, you click on the “Paperclip” icon (to the right of the Emoticon) and upload your photo from there.

He also gave me a link to this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57764-Uploading-an-image-from-my-own-PC

[Hazelfern]

Whether or not JFK Jr was at the Trump rally, or is Q, the smartest thing he could have done to protect himself and his family, and to give his kids a normal upbringing, and his wife the privacy she liked, was to FAKE their deaths. He had the contacts and the funds to do it. What convinced me was that they didn't take his beloved dog on the plane with them, and he apparently went everywhere with them, and then someone picked them up after the deaths and just dissapeared. I do have a strong intuition JFK Jr is alive and I hope he found a good life, safe from the demonic cabal.

That would be the greatest hope of all.

[Noelle]

Has anyone been able to zoom in on her necklace to identify the charms? It gets very pixelated when I move in closer. My eyes could be deceiving me, but the uppermost charm on her left has the shape of a leaping rabbit.

[KiwiElf]

Has anyone been able to zoom in on her necklace to identify the charms? It gets very pixelated when I move in closer. My eyes could be deceiving me, but the uppermost charm on her left has the shape of a leaping rabbit.

Hi Noelle,

Here are a couple of enlarged versions in Photoshop, resolution increased from 72 - 300 ppi. Second one has been Unsharp masked first: (click to enlarge)

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[Noelle]

Thanks, Kiwi. It's still too blurry viewing it via my MacBook Air. It could be a dolphin or some other arching animal. :)

[Chanie]

Has anyone been able to zoom in on her necklace to identify the charms? It gets very pixelated when I move in closer. My eyes could be deceiving me, but the uppermost charm on her left has the shape of a leaping rabbit.

I hadn’t given her necklace much thought—just assumed it was part of her costume. If it was Carolyn, she was known to be something of a minimalist when it came to her style. I don’t think she wore much jewellery. I guess if she were playing a character, she might aim for the opposite and “bling” it up.

My first thought was that they might be letter charms that spell the word “Trump?” That’s just a guess on my part. I can’t see it very clearly either. The lack of sharp images has been an issue for me. In a few cases, I’ve hesitated to go out on a limb and state what I suspect simply because the footage is too blurry to prove it.

[KiwiElf]

Has anyone been able to zoom in on her necklace to identify the charms? It gets very pixelated when I move in closer. My eyes could be deceiving me, but the uppermost charm on her left has the shape of a leaping rabbit.

I hadn’t given her necklace much thought—just assumed it was part of her costume. If it was Carolyn, she was known to be something of a minimalist when it came to her style. I don’t think she wore much jewellery. I guess if she were playing a character, she might aim for the opposite and “bling” it up.

My first thought was that they might be letter charms that spell the word “Trump?” That’s just a guess on my part. I can’t see it very clearly either. The lack of sharp images has been an issue for me. In a few cases, I’ve hesitated to go out on a limb and state what I suspect simply because the footage is too blurry to prove it.

Yep, we "Photoshoppers" call it interpolation. All we're really doing is enlarging (reimaging) pixels from a low resolution original (72 ppi) to a higher resolution; (not a good way to go!) - Photoshop will "add" additional pixels - a slightly better result than just zooming in on the original. (you will just see very clear, square pixels, like this - enlarged 600 % without interpolation - click to enlarge):

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Hopefully, we can find a high(er) resolution image! :)

That aside, the resemblance of this "woman" to (an aged) Carolyne is amazing! ;)

[Noelle]

Could we, perhaps, speculate that she is wearing Milagros (charms), like the kind Q pointed our attention to yesterday? ;)

[KiwiElf]

Could we, perhaps, speculate that she is wearing Milagros (charms), like the kind Q pointed our attention to yesterday? ;)

Quite possibly Noelle,

When I first enlarged the image, I thought they may have been Zodiac symbols (one does look a lot like the Pisces symbol). However, she was born on 7 January 1966 ... not that it would be necessarily relevant if she changed her identity? ;)

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[Ba-ba-Ra]

Mother's often wear charms relating to their children and grandchildren.

i.e. birthstones, zodiac sign or a symbol of their interests (soccer etc.0

I thought it said Trump.

[KiwiElf]

Mother's often wear charms relating to their children and grandchildren.

i.e. birthstones, zodiac sign or a symbol of their interests (soccer etc.0

I thought it said Trump.

I think you're right! :) :thumbsup:

[Chanie]

I thought it was interesting that Neon Revolt’s article on “The Unseen Masters” indicates that both the Kennedy family and Carolyn Bessette’s step-family—the Freemans—are part of the Thirteen Illuminati Bloodlines.
See: https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/08/16/p-the-unseen-masters-of-all-qanon-greatawakening-whoisp-illuminati-13bloodlines-payseur-springmeier/

This Twitter thread is an example of wild speculation versus speculation based on some research.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/InfidelTiger/status/1031009163256557568

For instance, the people posting seem to be unaware that Carolyn had three step-sisters and that she would have known and interacted with them from a very young age. In other words, they would be like sisters to her.

One person refers to one of the childhood photos as the “Bessette family group photos.” Research has suggested that Carolyn’s mother and her birth father were at odds with each other so it is unlikely that they’d be hanging out together as one big happy group. The group is more likely to be the Freeman family.

Another suggests that the photo of a girl is a Messina cousin. First of all, my research shows that the Messinas tend to look like Carolyn’s mother. For instance, the man who I believe to be Lisa Bessette’s son looks like a Messina and has their pale blue eyes. They have an ethereal look about them. The girl in the photo does not.

The obituary for Carolyn’s Messina grandmother indicates that she was survived by a son (who was named), a daughter (who was not named, but who I believe is Carolyn’s mother) and three grandchildren (who aren’t named) so there don’t appear to be lots of cousins on that side.

The girl who is referred to as a Messina cousin actually looks a lot like the niece of Carolyn’s step-father. She died in 2015. The photo in the obituary is tiny and not very clear, but you can still see the resemblance. My guess based on research is that she is a Freeman.

I thought the photo below was an interesting attempt at a match. I wouldn’t begin to speculate as to whether it was a cousin, but I can see some resemblance there.

Again, the bottom line is there is no hard evidence that JFK Jr. is alive. As for speculation, I prefer to base mine on the few facts that I’ve been able to find and even then, I could be wrong because it’s speculation not documented proof.

[KiwiElf]

10 WEIRD FACTS ABOUT JFK JR'S FINAL FLIGHT

I wish we'd been able to use this video as the first post. ;) Just released on 10 August:

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Decagon TV
Published on Aug 10, 2018
Here are 10 WEIRD FACTS ABOUT JFK JR'S FINAL FLIGHT. Friends of ours in Martha’s Vineyard that weekend told us the weather reports in the media were completely false. Sure enough, when we researched the NTSB report, we came up with more questions than answers. In fact, some say JFK Jr never actually died that day...

1. Quick Cremation & rushed autopsy without the family's consent - decision made by Pentagon Brass
2. Time gaps - took 15 hrs for the FAA & Coast Guard to begin searching for the missing plane - why did it take so long? (Emergency Locator Beacon had begun transmitting at the time of the crash)
3. The missing passenger - flight log & front seat missing from the wreckage, inflight recorder's battery removed before the flight
4. Mysterious helicopters around the crash site early in the morning; who did they belong to?
5. The weather - contrary to the many media reports, the weather was fine
6. White Flash observed by witnesses in the sky at the same time & location Kennedy's plane went down - Pentagon then took control of the investigation
7. Mysterious Boat - full of batteries
8. Missing Video tapes - footage of Kennedy's crashed plane all destroyed, allegedly showing every bulb incl the emergency flashlight, every circuit board, had literally been melted. Massive electromagnetic event?
9. The Senate Run - If Kennedy was planning a run why was the story spiked? Did it threaten HRC & the very people behind his father's death? Which brings us to...
10. The Deep State - was JFK Jnr about to expose the Deep State in his magazine? Did they fake their own deaths? Interesting "couple" seen at Trump campaign events bearing remarkable similarity to JFK Jnr & Carolyne


This is pinned at the top of the YT Page:
Pinned by Decagon TV
Decagon TV
2 weeks ago
On a related note, the "JFK Jr is still alive" meme was started by followers of Q. Check out 10 Reasons QAnon Might Actually be Real... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8GVeLXu3o8&feature=youtu.be
(already cross posted on the 'Q" thread)

[Noelle]

Thanks for posting that video, Kiwi. :thumbsup:

I know the number 17 has come up in the Q sphere. During my research over the last couple of weeks, I found these JFK Jr.-related "17"s. There could be more. :)

1. He was delivered by C-section 17 days earlier than his due date of December 12.
2. He was born 17 days after his father was elected.
3. Plane crashed July 16/July 17.
4. About 17 miles from the airport off Martha's Vineyard, his plane vanishes from radar
5. 17 years after JFK Jr.s alleged death, Trump wins the presidency.

[Chanie]

Thanks for posting that video, Kiwi. :thumbsup:

I know the number 17 has come up in the Q sphere. During my research over the last couple of weeks, I found these JFK Jr.-related "17"s. There could be more. :)

1. He was delivered by C-section 17 days earlier than his due date of December 12.
2. He was born 17 days after his father was elected.
3. Plane crashed July 16/July 17.
4. About 17 miles from the airport off Martha's Vineyard, his plane vanishes from radar
5. 17 years after JFK Jr.s alleged death, Trump wins the presidency.

JFK Jr. and I share a birthday. By coincidence, I was born 17 days early as well. 🙂

It is fun to keep tabs on what people are saying in regard to this subject. For instance, I happened to see this photo (attached below) recently.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/WWG1WGAchicago/status/1033886961910665216

A few others who are following the story include:
https://mobile.twitter.com/HeWhoWaits1776
https://mobile.twitter.com/DIXIEDOODLE12
https://mobile.twitter.com/ANJEL3000

I know Liz Crokin has said that she believes he is alive. My gut says it’s possible, but I haven’t been able to find any solid evidence to prove it.

[Noelle]

Strange that you posted that photo. I was looking at it last night on Joe M (https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs)'s twitter page. He uses it as his banner image. I was studying it, looking for JFK Jr. in it. :)

[KiwiElf]

This video is pretty good too, IMO - it takes a serious poke at the MSM narrative & "official story".

It's an older & quite long (but detailed) video taking the line that JFK Jnr was assassinated by what we would now call the "Deep State" (ie the same people responsible for the death of his father).

The Assassination of JFK Jr
155,665 views

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John Hankey
Published on Jul 13, 2012

(If you can, I'd recommend it be downloaded along with the other one. As interest in this seems to be increasing, it's likely it - and any others - might be removed - The comments below the video add some interesting "crumbs" - KE)

[KiwiElf]

Bombshell QAnon Posts Link Link Clintons & CIA to JFK Jnr Plane Crash - click to enlarge

Hmmmm... this just popped up on 8-CHAN "Q" Research boards


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https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2773643.html#2774279

[ThePythonicCow]

Bombshell QAnon Posts Link Link Clintons & CIA to JFK Jnr Plane Crash - click to enlarge

Hmmmm... this just popped up on 8-CHAN "Q" Research boards


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https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2773643.html#2774279

That refers back to this April 8, 2018 Q post (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/952343.html#952914):

POTUS & JFK JR.

Relationship.

Plane crash 1999.

HRC Senate 2000.

The “Start.”

Enjoy the show.

Q
This Q post was discussed in this April 10 article by Michael Salla on Exopolitics.org Bombshell QAnon Posts Link Clintons & CIA to JFK Jr Plane Crash (https://www.exopolitics.org/bombshell-qanon-posts-link-clintons-cia-to-jfk-jr-plane-crash/), and in this Youtube video:
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[Noelle]

I don't believe this has been looked at yet (unless I missed it in one of the videos).

Vincent's last name, Fusca, is what the VW Beetle is called in Brazil.

1969 Brazilian 1300 Sedan (Fusca) Brazilian assembly of the Beetle, where it is called "Fusca", started in 1953, with parts imported from Germany. (Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle#Brazil))

In 1969 (July 17-18), we have the Chappaquiddick accident, an incident that lobbed a huge blow to Sen. Edward Kennedy's career, and had a part in preventing him from running for president.

The 3-min. video below gives a quick overview of the accident and a "conspiracy" theory.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsIZigCh25E

The kicker for me is the attached photo, a fake ad published in 1972 (the year Kennedy would have ran for president) by National Lampoon (Source: https://jalopnik.com/ (https://jalopnik.com/5345995/edward-kennedy-statesman-and-terrible-driver-dead-at-77)). VW later sued National Lampoon and won.

[KiwiElf]

:offtopic:

Ouch! Yes, the Lampoon VW Ad was based on this [real] one (left of the two);

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(ironically, the Lampoon ad didn't lie - old aircooled VW Beetles DO actually float!) :)

Bad taste maybe ... :) (the USA was the biggest buyer of VW Beetles) - that mighta hurt sales!

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:focus:

Hmmmm... Fusca = Brazilian VW Beetle? Nice "pointer" Noelle! :thumbsup: (I doubt "Q" could have done better! - and I don't believe in coincidences!) :)

[Denise/Dizi]

they dropped several towers, and hit the Pentagon, and everyone believed the scenerio they were fed, it is not impossible...

[KiwiElf]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't another Kennedy also involved/injured/killed in a small plane crash? (One of the women, much earlier than JFK Jnr). :idea: I seem to remember it involved an Aero Commander Twin... :sherlock:

("Plane crashes" seem to have all the hallmarks of HRC's favoured method of "Arkansiding" her opponents...)

[Chanie]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't another Kennedy also involved/injured/killed in a small plane crash? (One of the women, much earlier than JFK Jnr). :idea: I seem to remember it involved an Aero Commander Twin... :sherlock:

("Plane crashes" seem to have all the hallmarks of HRC's favoured method of "Arkansiding" her opponents...)

John Kennedy’s sister (JFK Jr.’s aunt) Kick died in a plane crash.
See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3403196/The-tragic-tale-JFK-s-charming-rebellious-sister-Kick-Kennedy.html

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Could we, perhaps, speculate that she is wearing Milagros (charms), like the kind Q pointed our attention to yesterday? ;)

I found a better resolution pic of her. Unfortunately someone's thumb is blocking most of the necklace, but M and P are clearly visible, so I think it's reasonable to conclude the whole things spells TRUMP.

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I *personally* don't think it's her, or that JFK Jr is alive - was just popping in to share the necklace thing.

:beer:

[Chanie]

Could we, perhaps, speculate that she is wearing Milagros (charms), like the kind Q pointed our attention to yesterday? ;)

I found a better resolution pic of her. Unfortunately someone's thumb is blocking most of the necklace, but M and P are clearly visible, so I think it's reasonable to conclude the whole things spells TRUMP.

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I *personally* don't think it's her, or that JFK Jr is alive - was just popping in to share the necklace thing.

:beer:

Thanks, Star Mariner. It’s hard to find close-up images with that kind of resolution.

Some people have been pointing out the ring on her finger and are claiming that it’s one of Jackie’s rings.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/FMEonlylol/status/1034227027459551232

[Noelle]

Could we, perhaps, speculate that she is wearing Milagros (charms), like the kind Q pointed our attention to yesterday? ;)

I found a better resolution pic of her. Unfortunately someone's thumb is blocking most of the necklace, but M and P are clearly visible, so I think it's reasonable to conclude the whole things spells TRUMP.

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I *personally* don't think it's her, or that JFK Jr is alive - was just popping in to share the necklace thing.

:beer:

Definitely better quality. Thank you! Out of curiosity: Where did you find that photo?
The charms may, indeed, spell TRUMP. :thumbsup:

I'm not 100% convinced yet either. I'm pondering two very different scenarios: 1) It's them, disguised using theatrical techniques (i.e. makeup) or 2) They are decoys, used to, perhaps, fake us and/or the Deep State out. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcF2oi6zzg

[Arcturian108]

Regarding the necklace the woman is wearing, the last two trinkets say "M P" thus the whole necklace must say "TRUMP" is my guess.

[KiwiElf]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't another Kennedy also involved/injured/killed in a small plane crash? (One of the women, much earlier than JFK Jnr). :idea: I seem to remember it involved an Aero Commander Twin... :sherlock:

("Plane crashes" seem to have all the hallmarks of HRC's favoured method of "Arkansiding" her opponents...)

John Kennedy’s sister (JFK Jr.’s aunt) Kick died in a plane crash.
See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3403196/The-tragic-tale-JFK-s-charming-rebellious-sister-Kick-Kennedy.html

Ahhhhh, was partly the one I was thinking of - got my wires crossed! :ROFL:; I found it... my bad! :blushing:Mary Kennedy; estranged wife of Robert Kennedy Jnr (suicide by hanging). (It was linked to a bigger story of the "Kennedy Curse" & featuring a photo of Ted Kennedy's Aero Commander Crash in 1964). Ooops! :der: (Appears to be a "conspiracy theory" attached to that, too).

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https://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/06/us/new-york-kennedy-autopsy/index.html

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b&ei=HxKHW9-gMIipoAS8l53QBQ&q=ted+kennedy%27s+plane+crash&oq=ted+kennedy+plane+crash&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i7i10i30k1j0l2j0i30k1l3j0i5i30k1.4746.7222.0.9824.11.10.0.0.0.0.476.1625.2-2j2j1.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..8.3.903...0i7i30k1j0i7i5i30k1.0.Dao-dSMiAfo

"On June 19, 1964, Kennedy was a passenger in a private Aero Commander 680 airplane that was flying in bad weather from Washington to Massachusetts. The plane crashed into an apple orchard in the western Massachusetts town of Southampton on the final approach to the Barnes Municipal Airport in Westfield."

:focus:

[KiwiElf]

That's a good shot of Fusca, too. I think he may have had dental work done to his upper teeth (crowned - they're perfect compared to his lower teeth) - that can alter a person's appearance a lot ... (if only we could reverse the process: remove the glasses, long hair & beard!). ;)

[KiwiElf]

Q BOMBSHELL (pt 2.Full Int) A Rare int, JFK-jr. Clearly States He Is #Q 28yrs ago.
67,368 views

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RED PILL AWAKENED Heavens Frequency
Published on Aug 3, 2018

Q BOMBSHELL (pt 2.Full Int) A Rare interview w JFK-jr. Clearly States He Is #Q 28yrs ago. BOOM!!

(personally, I think this is a bit of a stretch... but who knows? ;))

[ThePythonicCow]

Q BOMBSHELL (pt 2.Full Int) A Rare int, JFK-jr. Clearly States He Is #Q 28yrs ago.
67,368 views

p6KsaGjhTDA

RED PILL AWAKENED Heavens Frequency
Published on Aug 3, 2018

Q BOMBSHELL (pt 2.Full Int) A Rare interview w JFK-jr. Clearly States He Is #Q 28yrs ago. BOOM!!

(personally, I think this is a bit of a stretch... but who knows? ;))

Well, JFK Jr's use of the phrase "take a cue" (at the 0:30 mark) does not alter in the slightest my estimation of the probability that he is the current day Q. "Cue" and "Q" sound like ... so what?

But that interview of him with Larry King, discussing JFK Jr's magazine "George" is a reminder that JFK Jr certainly was a bit of a creative genius when it came to public media efforts, with the ability and resources to both create, and deliver, on his genius.

That, along with the evident motivation, that he would have felt personally, and that was deeply instilled in his family, to oppose and unseat the Bush-Clinton-Etc crime syndicate that likely helped kill his father and uncle and that certainly has enmeshed the US government in some of the deepest corruption that we know of, and along with his long term proximity to Donald Trump and his deep connections with what it takes to win a US Presidential election ... would make him an ideal behind the scenes supporter of Trump and of the innovations in public media presence that we see in Q.

The right man, in the right place, for our times ... if he is still with us in these times.

[KiwiElf]

If he is still with us in these times, then YES; I'd agree he would definitely be part of the "Q" team :) (I'm precariously balancing my position "on the fence", but it's moving... ;))

[Chanie]

My gut says it’s possible; my heart believes it to be true; my intellect has yet to be convinced.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Could we, perhaps, speculate that she is wearing Milagros (charms), like the kind Q pointed our attention to yesterday? ;)

I found a better resolution pic of her. Unfortunately someone's thumb is blocking most of the necklace, but M and P are clearly visible, so I think it's reasonable to conclude the whole things spells TRUMP.

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I *personally* don't think it's her, or that JFK Jr is alive - was just popping in to share the necklace thing.

:beer:

Definitely better quality. Thank you! Out of curiosity: Where did you find that photo?
The charms may, indeed, spell TRUMP. :thumbsup:


I found it by googling images of "supporters at Trump rallies", I suspected there had to be a better quality image out there.

Knowing you have M and P, which in all likelihood spell TRUMP, the other charms suddenly become much clearer. It's weird, they were ineligible before, but I do see TRUMP now without question.

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I would love this to be her and JFK Jr. I can't imagine the media frenzy if he was officially unveiled as Q, or just simply alive, as an asset behind the scenes of Team Trump. The shock and awe of it would in one breath shatter the mainstream optics of Trump, his presidency, and put conspiracy theories on a mighty pedestal that none would dare ridicule ever again. A living JFK Jr. at Trump's side would create such a groundswell of excitement and new support that even the most radicalised liberals will get caught up. And then it's game over for the Powers That Were.

I would love dream to become reality, but for me, for now, it is only a dream.

[mountain_jim]

I agree with your take on what this dream being true would mean, Star Mariner

[Noelle]

I found it by googling images of "supporters at Trump rallies", I suspected there had to be a better quality image out there.

Ah, the trick is using the right search term (one that can fool Google's algorithm :)).

I found a photo of a slightly bearded JFK Jr.. Coming from a Canadian Pinterest account (https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/233061349451499045/), it shows him with Nelson Mandela; I believe the photo was taken sometime during Mandela's 1990 visit to the JFK Library and other USA venues.

[Chanie]

I would love this to be her and JFK Jr. I can't imagine the media frenzy if he was officially unveiled as Q, or just simply alive, as an asset behind the scenes of Team Trump. The shock and awe of it would in one breath shatter the mainstream optics of Trump, his presidency, and put conspiracy theories on a mighty pedestal that none would dare ridicule ever again. A living JFK Jr. at Trump's side would create such a groundswell of excitement and new support that even the most radicalised liberals will get caught up. And then it's game over for the Powers That Were.

I would love dream to become reality, but for me, for now, it is only a dream.

I think you summed it up nicely, Star Mariner. The hope that it might be true is almost too delicious to contemplate. One’s intellect dare not go there lest one end up looking like a fool. I think it speaks volumes about us as a species. We want to believe in happy endings, in justice, that wrongs will be righted etc. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but while I dare to dream of what might be, I prefer to keep both feet planted firmly on the ground.

[Arcturian108]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvFs8elSOOY
I’ve looked through some of the film footage from the 2017 rally in Ohio. It’s over six hours long and here’s what I’ve noted:

2:31:49 The man who is said to be JFK Jr. arrives with the woman who has been said to be his wife Carolyn. Not too far behind them are two children—a boy in a red shirt and a girl in a blue top. They start down the same row—the way you would if you were attending an event with your parents. There is a burly guy not too far behind them.

2:33:13 By this point, the two kids are moving to the front row—a different row from the woman.

2:33:15. You can see the “JFK” man leave.

At this point, I skipped forward to:

4:05:58 The woman takes her hat off. She is sitting by an empty reserved seat.

4:07:20 There is a good close up of the woman without her hat. She has her dark-ish hair in a bun.

4:11:01 The big burly guy in a Trump t-shirt is talking to her.

4:12:50 Two women try to take the empty reserved seat by the woman and get moved.

4:14:02 One of the women comes back and tries to take the seat again. An African American man in a nice looking suit sits down and moves her away.

4:14:38 A second man comes and sits down by her.

4:15:34 The two men swap places. The African American man starts talking to her and then, both men are talking to her.

4:16:36 The burly man points in her direction. He is talking to the man beside him.

4:26:26 The men on both sides talk for a moment.

4:28:13 On the far left of the screen, the “JFK” man enters moving right. Just before he arrives, some protestors start heckling. He sits between the burly man and the woman. He talks to the woman and seems to know her.

4:58:49 Trump arrives. By this point, the African American man seems to have disappeared. He’s not beside the woman.

5:07:05 Trump makes a reference to fake news and says, “Fake news. Fake, fake, fake news.” As he says this, he turns and looks at the “JFK” man. The burly man is laughing like he gets the joke.

5:08:05 The woman is talking to the tall man beside her as Trump says, “Is there any place safer than a Trump rally?”

5:17:56 The boy in the red shirt is clapping. He is left-handed.

5:28:35 Trump makes a reference to the turn of the millenium. As he says this, he turns and bows at the “JFK” man. The “JFK” man bows back at him.

5:38:47 Trump turns and looks at the “JFK” man again.

5:58:58 The “JFK” man gets up and leaves right at the end of the speech. He leaves before Trump leaves. He also leaves the woman and kids behind.

My impression is that whoever these people were, they were surrounded by (and being protected by) security and that Trump knew them.

I have just found the time to watch the time stamps that Chanie mentioned in this video, and I have come away convinced that their position centered right behind the podium, with essentially the best seats in the house, indicate to me that these are very important people, and I am now 75% convinced that we are seeing JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy in disguise. Her disguise is simply darker hair with no other physical changes, but his disguise with beard and hat pulled low makes him look totally different than his youthful images. His curly hair though, is still a feature from his youth and the man we see today (circa 1993)
https://totallywould.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/tumblr_l5hulezihq1qz9my9o1_500.jpg

[Noelle]

The instances of "17" in key JFK Jr. life events are so hard for me to ignore. Now, with Q being the 17th letter in our alphabet, Q (the movement or the plan) really could have begun when he was born.

From my posts regarding JFK Jr. and 17:


1. He was delivered by C-section 17 days earlier than his due date of December 12.
2. He was born 17 days after his father was elected.
3. Plane crashed July 16/July 17.
4. About 17 miles from the airport off Martha's Vineyard, his plane vanishes from radar
5. 17 years after JFK Jr.s alleged death, Trump wins the presidency.

How such a plan was put together is, for me, the big mystery. Maybe we are dealing with retrocausality, the Mandela Effect, cosmic teleology (proposed by Frank Tipler) or some other reality-modifying phenomenon.

There so many characters on "The Storm" stage -- specifically those with stormy names, which I have been tracking -- that should also be put beneath a microscope.

[Chanie]

I was watching this video from KelliAnn today. See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=211nkWagSnQ

She raised an interesting point that I had missed when I watched the Ohio rally footage. Apparently, an Anon first spotted it. If you go to the 9:00 minute mark of her video, she starts talking about how the JFK Jr. guy made hand signals that look like a “J” and a “K.” Check it out and see what you think.

Then, at the 12:20 mark, she talks about how a mysterious Santa figure appeared at an August 2nd rally in PA. As she points out, extra security measures had been put in place to ban all homemade signs. Given these circumstances, she questions why someone dressed in a Santa costume would be allowed through security and thinks it might have been JFK Jr. She goes on to talk about all the times Q has mentioned Merry Christmas.

I did look at the video clip she used and would like to note that the Santa figure claps like the JFK Jr. guy. The real JFK Jr. was left-handed as am I. Usually, a left-handed person claps by putting their left hand into their right hand. The left hand moves; the right hand is still. The JFK Jr. guy and the Santa man clap by moving both hands at the same time—the way a child might do when they’re excited and thinking, “Oh, goody! A treat!”

KelliAnn also alludes to the fact that JFK Jr. has been spotted somewhere else and says she will be covering that in another video soon. I’ll keep an eye out for it.

[Chanie]

I have just found the time to watch the time stamps that Chanie mentioned in this video, and I have come away convinced that their position centered right behind the podium, with essentially the best seats in the house, indicate to me that these are very important people, and I am now 75% convinced that we are seeing JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy in disguise. Her disguise is simply darker hair with no other physical changes, but his disguise with beard and hat pulled low makes him look totally different than his youthful images. His curly hair though, is still a feature from his youth and the man we see today (circa 1993)

It was really studying the footage frame-by-frame that convinced me. There was something very odd happening at both rallies. It’s just really evident to me that whoever these people are, they have important connections to the President.

I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned it before, but I remember watching a young boy’s video talking about one of the upcoming rallies. I can’t remember which one. It was either the Ohio or PA one. It had nothing to do with JFK Jr. He was talking abut how hard it was to get tickets and said people were only being allowed two tickets per phone number.

Having studied the footage closely, it is very clear to me that a lot of the people at the Moon Township, PA rally knew one another. Just the other night, I was watching a short clip of the blonde glamorous woman. In that short time, I saw her touch the boy beside her (likely a son), the blonde woman below her (presumably her sister) and the big man standing above her was kneading her bare shoulders (a partner-husband?) I know from other footage that the JFK Jr. guy appeared to know him. I saw them talking several times before Trump came out.

I think this blonde woman and her partner arrived relatively late, but were still able to sit in those good seats. It’s obviously reserved seating. How did so many members of one family get such good seats and manage to sit all together at the rally?

I’m rather fascinated by this blonde woman. It may be that she was just self-conscious being in front of so many TV cameras, but I also wondered if she was aware that the JFK Jr. guy was sitting next to her. I felt as if she were performing or preening on someone’s behalf.

At one point, you can see her and her sister take a selfie together. It looked like the sister was trying to angle the camera in order to get the JFK Jr. guy in the picture which would make sense if it was the real JFK Jr. That would be a photo you’d pass down to your kids someday.

[KiwiElf]

More name meanings (from a poster on YT - the comments below the videos are worth the read ;)):

"Vincent Fusca
Vincent name means: “To Conquer”
Fusca family crest means: “Dark”
So is Jr still alive “To Conquer darkness,” I’m beginning to think so."


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Some thing is odd about this Vincent Guy. The rally and this fellow don't seem to add up. I could be wrong. Let me know what you think. Please.
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IS VINCENT FUSCA JOHN JOHN? : WHO IS R EP2
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This video I try to cement the facts that Vincent Fusca is with a doubt JFK JR. These are my Opinions Id love to here yours.

[Noelle]

The first videos that I've watched on this subject -- thanks, Kiwi and Chanie. :thumbsup: All three had clues that I had not seen before and, in my opinion, are definitely worth consideration.

The name "Fusca" could have double or multiple meanings. I still think the VW Beetle (Fusca, in Brazil) may be one of those meanings. Something that I forgot to note in my previous post on the VW connection is the date of the Chappaquiddick incident: July 17-18, 1969. JFK Jr.'s plane crash was July 16-17, 1999, almost exactly 30 years after Chappaquiddick.

One more thing: The movie Chappaquiddick (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5270948/) was released in 2017 (another 17).

[Chanie]

I watched this video this morning. It claims that Lauren Bessette was at the August, 2018 rally in Tampa, Florida. Whoever it was, President Trump did turn around and look right at her.
See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KbrWfd4JdsI (starts at the 3:43 mark)

NOTE: Carolyn Bessette Kennedy’s family has a number of ties to the Florida area including an uncle who lives just east of Tampa.

I have a strong feeling that the glamorous blonde woman is the person who stood next to the bride in the photo from Carolyn’s childhood. That young woman wore a ring with a large dark stone on her ring finger. It has been difficult to find a clear photo of the glamorous woman’s ring, but it does appear to have a large dark stone. The attached photos are the best I can do.

NOTE: The photo has her labelled as Lauren, but I think she is likely one of the Freeman sisters.

Also, there is a third blonde woman tucked in behind the man in the pink-ish white shirt. They’re at the top-middle of the photo on the link listed below. He is holding a red camera. She’s to the right of him. There are very few shots of her at the rally, but I’m thinking this might be the girl with curly blonde hair who is standing next to Carolyn in the bridal photo.

I’m not posting the actual photo here because it’s clearly copyrighted, but if you go to this link, you can see it. See: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-supporters-chant-as-united-states-president-donald-j-trump-speaks-176802050.html

[KiwiElf]

A couple of William (Bill) Cooper videos ("Hour of the Time" broadcast audio) re JFK Jnr's "Murder":

the start of each of these is a bit weird, but that wasn't Cooper's fault - Skip the first 55 secs! ;)

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Broadcast # 1692 aired on October 13, 1999, Bill discusses how JFK, Jr was murdered and the media coverup. Linked to follow up broadcast (below):
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Broadcast # 1693 aired on October 14, 1999. This broadcast is second part of "JFK Jr, Murdered" where Bill discusses the plane crash, and the reason why he was killed. In the later part of the broadcast he references from a book named The Scarlet Book of Freemasonry by Moses Wolcott Redding.

[Chanie]

Apparently, this photograph was posted on the Potus Schedule on August 31st. People are saying that it’s JFK Jr. and that Potus is looking out the window.

See:https://mobile.twitter.com/findtruthQ/status/1036709967112286209
Also: https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS_Schedule (August 31st)

[Chanie]

Recently, I heard a rumour that JFK Jr. attended Trump’s inauguration and was posing as a Secret Service guy. I glanced at the photos and dismissed the idea as being too “out there.”

Then today, I happened to watch KelliAnn’s #13 video.
See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6fIL0_RggVs

Here’s a breakdown of some of the film clips:

34:23 The security guy is to the right of Melania. Afterwards, I guess the internet was abuzz—asking who was the guy with the “fake arm.” Something about the guy stood out to them. They thought it was his hand, but other video footage has shown that he moved his fingers so it’s likely not fake.

36:15 An Inside Edition clip discussing the fake hand.

38:45 Kelli Ann talks about another clip that shows this man getting out of a car at the inauguration. She questions why this man wasn’t standing with all the other security people? Instead, he gets a ride, gets out of his car and makes a beeline for the Trump car. I think this is a reasonable question. If he’s guarding Melania, why isn’t he riding with them? And why does he get to ride when the other security people are already standing outside Trump’s car?

41:01 She points out some odd behaviour on his part.

42:58 She notes that when it was time for Trump to leave, the security fellow gets in the car behind him.

46:36 She talks about how Melania gave Michelle Obama a blue Tiffany box at the inauguration.

47:32 And then, she makes note of the fact that JFK Jr and Carolyn’s remains were placed in blue Tiffany cardboard boxes before being buried at sea. I didn’t know this and thought she made an interesting connection there.

51:10 She shows a clip of the same Secret Service guy at a biker meeting with Trump and mentions that this would be a good cover. On one hand, you’d blend in, but on the other, you’re surrounded by security and would be protected.

52:55 And another shot of him where he stands out like Where’s Waldo.

None of this convinced me. I just made a mental note of it.

Then, I decided to skim through this entire thread and refresh my memory of what we’ve talked about so far. I noticed Post #121 where I mentioned how JFK Jr.’s left eye was more open than his right—a condition known as Strabismus—and how his right eye slanted down. This prompted me to look at the Secret Service guy’s eye. As you can see from the photo below, I think he has it too.

[Noelle]

Hi, Chanie.

The YT video you linked to above is for #10. Here is #13.:happythumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fIL0_RggVs

[Chanie]

Hi, Chanie.

The YT video you linked to above is for #10. Here is #13.:happythumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fIL0_RggVs

Thanks, Noelle. I went back in and fixed it.

[KiwiElf]

Apparently, this photograph was posted on the Potus Schedule on August 31st. People are saying that it’s JFK Jr. and that Potus is looking out the window.

See:https://mobile.twitter.com/findtruthQ/status/1036709967112286209
Also: https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS_Schedule (August 31st)

That is really freaky! ;)

[jake gittes]

The bald guy doesn't look anything like him IMO. On the other hand, the guy in the chopper....

I'm of the "I am skeptical but would love for it to be true" mindset. He always seemed like a good guy. He'd definitely get the women's vote! lol

[Chanie]

The bald guy doesn't look anything like him IMO. On the other hand, the guy in the chopper....

I'm of the "I am skeptical but would love for it to be true" mindset. He always seemed like a good guy. He'd definitely get the women's vote! lol

I agree, Jake. It’s the reason why I didn’t take pay attention to it initially.

KelliAnn, the woman who made the video, talks about the possibility of him wearing a skull cap to cover the hair. Maybe? Maybe not? It sure doesn’t look like him.

I thought the blue Tiffany box thing was a strange coincidence, but perhaps it’s a New York city thing? Both Trump and JFK Jr. lived there.

In the end, it’s all speculation. I haven’t found any solid evidence that he’s still alive. At this point, it’s just wishful thinking.

[ThePythonicCow]

A paper that should not be missed, at least not if your a Miles Mathis fan, as I am.

Miles Mathis presents evidence that President JFK did not die in 1963, but rather that lived on, and that the Kennedy's are competitors to, and (Mathis claims) even wealthier than their competitors, the Rockefellers. See http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf

[Valerie Villars]

A paper that should not be missed, at least not if your a Miles Mathis fan, as I am.

Miles Mathis presents evidence that President JFK did not die in 1963, but rather that lived on, and that the Kennedy's are competitors to, and (Mathis claims) even wealthier than their competitors, the Rockefellers. See http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf

Well, Paul, that paper is QUITE interesting.

Here's another one of my "insights" that I got back in 2013 and it was very tied in to the "assassination" of Kennedy. I understood that our timeline had been hijacked in a significant way on that day.

I will say it was emphasized in a big way intuitively. I understood that I had cracked some kind of code, for what it's worth.

However, me being just a human being but one quite sure of the knowings I was getting, may have misinterpreted a hijacked timeline for a hijacked government.

It's a really interesting paper.

[Chanie]

A paper that should not be missed, at least not if your a Miles Mathis fan, as I am.

Miles Mathis presents evidence that President JFK did not die in 1963, but rather that lived on, and that the Kennedy's are competitors to, and (Mathis claims) even wealthier than their competitors, the Rockefellers. See http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf

Wow. I just did a quick read of this. Will go through it again to soak in all the details, but it’s pretty mind-blowing. It makes the world seem like a carnival funhouse filled with distorting mirrors.

On Page 5: “People are not good at seeing any clues, no matter how obvious...a large majority of people are fabulously easy to fool.”

On Page 20-23: An interesting discussion on the nature of evidence.

On Page 23: I love this quote, “Jack could still be there, watching TV and eating Doritos, and no one would know the difference. You don’t find things you don’t look for, and no one has ever investigated the possibility that Jack continued to be President after November 22, 1963.”

And perhaps most noteworthy of all, on Page 84, “I have one final prediction. I predict that before 2020, a man claiming to be John F. Kennedy III will arrive on the scene, and that he will be able to prove it. He will be about 20 years of age, and he will explain that he had to remain ‘underground’ for his own safety—due to the murders of his father and grandfather. He will achieve immediate fame, of course. He will spend some time in the limelight, and then, die under mysterious circumstances, probably having to do with a plane crash.”

Again, wow, especially given the recent rumours that JFK Jr. is still alive.

The thought had occurred to me that if he is alive and the world learned about this, he’d be a Saviour-figure in their eyes—literally risen from the dead. How easy it would then be to lead this “flock” to their slaughter. I’m sure this would be true of his son as well.

So the question becomes not just, “Is JFK Jr Still Alive?” but also, “If he is alive, is he who he appears to be—i.e. the beloved son of an assassinated President who went underground to avoid a similar fate or does he represent something more sinister?”

This paper gives me lots of food for thought.

[Noelle]

The Kennedy family had connections to the Mandelas. How deep and complex that relationship was/is, I have no clue. As I pointed out in another post, JFK Jr., while attending Brown, went to South Africa during one summer break.

I'm thinking the "Mandela Effect" might tie into all of this as well. Don't ask me how, because I am clue-less there too. :facepalm: I'm working on it, though.

As for Mile's theory. a family member sent me a Cabal Times article on it last month. I read most of it, then thought it smart to look into who Miles is. I never turned that thought into action.

The writer of the piece has "reservations" with the theory:

Conspiracy Theory Review-Analysis; Did JFK fake his Death and take the *REAL* American Presidency Underground?
(http://www.cabaltimes.com/2015/06/29/jfk-faked-death/)
The only objection I had with Miles’ theory is that such an elaborate conspiracy may not be neccessary when all American Presidents and Presidential hopefuls are already Freemasons and compromised individuals. And that such an elaborate ruse entailed too many risks for all parties involved. As the recent exit of Ron Paul has demonstrated, the American Presidency will always be safe from the non-Elite.

My reservation can be addressed by the human factor. The Powers That Be, despite their aversion to risk, are human. And one cabal among them, the Kennedys, was far more ambitious than the rest. When JFK demonstrated that as President, he could play the American people like none had done so in the past, hamstringing them with emotion and television gimmickry, He received the blessings of the Rothschilds, the Rockerfellers, the Military-Industrial Complex and the rest of the Illuminati to consolidate the Office of the President for good.

Here’s how Miles addresses this,

This was not one faction overthrowing another. This was revolution. This was the secret and successful undermining and overthrow of a semi-Republic by a fascist alliance of oligarchs. And this was just a handful of families dominating the oligarchy for several generations. What allowed all this to happen was a perfected form of propaganda, using the latest tricks of the cinema.[…….] It was this tool that allowed the Morgan/DuPont/Kennedy coup to succeed where the other had failed, and I suggest this is the main reason the plotters allowed Kennedy to join: his connection to Hollywood and his ability to fake events. It may be that the most influential and important film of the 20th century is not Gone with the Wind or Star Wars; it is the real-life Godfather, AKA The Kennedy Assassination, with Academy Awards to Joe and Jack Kennedy for best script, best art direction, best production, best direction, best actor, and best living man playing a dead man. […….]Various billionaires had been trying to create a shadow government for many decades, with only varying degrees of success. Only Joseph Kennedy was successful.

And of course, such a conspiracy would only work on a gullible population. Like the pre-9/11 Americans at that time, who were completely trusting of their government, and saw television news religiously, as some kind of Gospel of reality.

[Chanie]

The Kennedy family had connections to the Mandelas. How deep and complex that relationship was/is, I have no clue. As I pointed out in another post, JFK Jr., while attending Brown, went to South Africa during one summer break.

I'm thinking the "Mandela Effect" might tie into all of this as well. Don't ask me how, because I am clue-less there too. :facepalm: I'm working on it, though.

As for Mile's theory. a family member sent me a Cabal Times article on it last month. I read most of it, then thought it smart to look into who Miles is. I never turned that thought into action.

The writer of the piece has "reservations" with the theory:

Conspiracy Theory Review-Analysis; Did JFK fake his Death and take the *REAL* American Presidency Underground?
(http://www.cabaltimes.com/2015/06/29/jfk-faked-death/)
The only objection I had with Miles’ theory is that such an elaborate conspiracy may not be neccessary when all American Presidents and Presidential hopefuls are already Freemasons and compromised individuals. And that such an elaborate ruse entailed too many risks for all parties involved. As the recent exit of Ron Paul has demonstrated, the American Presidency will always be safe from the non-Elite.

My reservation can be addressed by the human factor. The Powers That Be, despite their aversion to risk, are human. And one cabal among them, the Kennedys, was far more ambitious than the rest. When JFK demonstrated that as President, he could play the American people like none had done so in the past, hamstringing them with emotion and television gimmickry, He received the blessings of the Rothschilds, the Rockerfellers, the Military-Industrial Complex and the rest of the Illuminati to consolidate the Office of the President for good.

Here’s how Miles addresses this,

This was not one faction overthrowing another. This was revolution. This was the secret and successful undermining and overthrow of a semi-Republic by a fascist alliance of oligarchs. And this was just a handful of families dominating the oligarchy for several generations. What allowed all this to happen was a perfected form of propaganda, using the latest tricks of the cinema.[…….] It was this tool that allowed the Morgan/DuPont/Kennedy coup to succeed where the other had failed, and I suggest this is the main reason the plotters allowed Kennedy to join: his connection to Hollywood and his ability to fake events. It may be that the most influential and important film of the 20th century is not Gone with the Wind or Star Wars; it is the real-life Godfather, AKA The Kennedy Assassination, with Academy Awards to Joe and Jack Kennedy for best script, best art direction, best production, best direction, best actor, and best living man playing a dead man. […….]Various billionaires had been trying to create a shadow government for many decades, with only varying degrees of success. Only Joseph Kennedy was successful.

And of course, such a conspiracy would only work on a gullible population. Like the pre-9/11 Americans at that time, who were completely trusting of their government, and saw television news religiously, as some kind of Gospel of reality.

Thanks for that link, Noelle. I will check it out. I will also await more on your Mandela theory. 🙂

I think part of the appeal of the JFK Jr. rumour is that people have a deep-seated yearning for what he represents—a return to innocence, the pre-assassination, pre-9/11 days when they trusted the TV news and the government.

The giddy excitement that we’ve witnessed since the rumour began is just a hint of what would happen if he ever set foot on a public stage and announced, “Here I am!”

When I worked with troubled youth, I used to encounter a few who had incredible charisma. I would tell them that I could feel that energy and remind them that it was an amazing gift. I’d caution them to use it wisely because people with great charisma have the power to lead people in either direction—they can raise people up or pull them down the wrong path.

I guess that would be my concern if JFK Jr. were still alive. He was so charismatic. People would follow him blindly, especially if he came back from the dead. I don’t know where he would lead them.

[ThePythonicCow]

The writer of the piece has "reservations" with the theory:

Conspiracy Theory Review-Analysis; Did JFK fake his Death and take the *REAL* American Presidency Underground?
(http://www.cabaltimes.com/2015/06/29/jfk-faked-death/)
The only objection I had with Miles’ theory is that such an elaborate conspiracy may not be neccessary when all American Presidents and Presidential hopefuls are already Freemasons and compromised individuals. And that such an elaborate ruse entailed too many risks for all parties involved. As the recent exit of Ron Paul has demonstrated, the American Presidency will always be safe from the non-Elite.

Prior to the Presidency of JFK, the powerful families and very wealthy could be seen to be in the smoked filled room, from which directives were issued.

Since then, another layer of indirection has been added. We fight over theater; only a few ridiculed tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory nut cases even speculate as to the nature of who or what is behind the curtain that is behind the curtain.

When I was a child, those who read the paper (such as the New York Times or the Herald Tribune) might actually know that families such as the Rockefellers, the Bushes, the Harrimans, the Duponts, the Mellons, the Morgans, the Carnegies, the Dulles brothers, the Dillons, the Warburgs, and so forth were very powerful and wealthy families that pulled strings behind the curtain. The names of individuals in these families might show up in actual news articles, offering a glimpse to the common person of their comings and goings. Since the end of George Bush's presidency in 1992, only puppets such as their idiot or bastard children or Manchurian candidates have become President.

Even with Trump, the theatre continues. Though he at least seems to be a smart, aware front man, he still is likely a front man for powers that we're still guessing at.

[Noelle]

I guess that would be my concern if JFK Jr. were still alive. He was so charismatic. People would follow him blindly, especially if he came back from the dead. I don’t know where he would lead them.

I agree with you. I know little about him, save for what I've been able to read or watch online.

The Mandela Effect popped into my mind immediately with one of the Q drops from late August (see below). There are quite a few theories that try to explain it, including changes in our magnetic field and "dissolving consensus" on history. Then, again, someone might be really tinkering with the history books.

Buy a history book published 20 years ago.
Buy a history book published 10 years ago.
Buy a history book published this year.
Compare.
Focus on WWI/WWII
Something ALARMING will be discovered.
Q

And Paul...


Even with Trump, the theatre continues. Though he at least seems to be a smart, aware front man, he still is likely a front man for powers that we're still guessing at.

It certainly seems like theatrics, or a show. :)

Some out there believe Trump is a time traveler (based on the Ingersoll Lockwood books. There's a thread on them here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98792-Baron-Trump-s-Marvellous-Underground-Journey-1893-More-Memetic-Synchronicity&highlight=Ingersoll+Lockwood)) or was able to glimpse the future with a Tesla device. :bigsmile:

[Chanie]

Some people are saying that John Kennedy Jr. and his wife Carolyn attended the recent Trump rally in Las Vegas. I think there is a resemblance to the couple that attended the rallies in Ohio and Pennsylvania. If it’s them, they’re playing different characters this time.

See: https://mobile.twitter.com/onemore4_trump/status/1043805011132608512
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/Odonata_Anon/status/1043897487814090753

[Chanie]

According to KelliAnn, this couple has been identified as Gil and Maryanne Markarian from Texas.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/777KAB1/status/1044053440966664198

[Noelle]

I see a resemblance. I want to say her earrings may be Qs, but zooming in gives me too many pixels. I'm referring to the photo in the tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/onemore4_trump/status/1043805011132608512/photo/1

For me, JoeM (Storm Is Upon Us on YT) remains a strong candidate. Maybe a week ago, he tweeted a vid that he did in Dec. 2017. I compared it to JFK Jr.'s voice in an Barbara Walters' interview, and they are similar.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw1yuv1OY6U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sg728Z41oc

[ThePythonicCow]

According to KelliAnn, this couple has been identified as Gil and Maryanne Markarian from Texas.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/777KAB1/status/1044053440966664198
I presume that this is the Mary Ann Markarian in question:
http://images.cdbaby.name/m/a/maryannmarkarian_large.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

... and this would be her husband, Gilbert Markarian (from https://christianmediasummit.wordpress.com/team/):

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https://christianmediasummit.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/dsc_3529.jpg
Gilbert Markarian began his career on Wall Street as an accountant, but not long afterward, the gift of business entrepreneurism motivated him to purchase a company franchise. Within a very short period of time, with God’s help and Gilbert’s outstanding skills, he realized the dream of being the #1 franchise in the country! During this time, Gilbert also became involved in the Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International and was asked to become an International Director. Gilbert has hosted Christian television, along with his singer/songwriter wife, Mary Ann, for the past 14 years. He also hosts a monthly Christian meeting called the “Breakfast of Champions”, to encourage business men and women in their faith. Gilbert is the President and founder of Universal Business Consultants, a company that works with over 600 business clientele to assist them in creating strategic alliances.

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[Chanie]

... and this would be her husband, Gilbert Markarian (from https://christianmediasummit.wordpress.com/team/):

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https://christianmediasummit.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/dsc_3529.jpg
Gilbert Markarian began his career on Wall Street as an accountant, but not long afterward, the gift of business entrepreneurism motivated him to purchase a company franchise. Within a very short period of time, with God’s help and Gilbert’s outstanding skills, he realized the dream of being the #1 franchise in the country! During this time, Gilbert also became involved in the Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International and was asked to become an International Director. Gilbert has hosted Christian television, along with his singer/songwriter wife, Mary Ann, for the past 14 years. He also hosts a monthly Christian meeting called the “Breakfast of Champions”, to encourage business men and women in their faith. Gilbert is the President and founder of Universal Business Consultants, a company that works with over 600 business clientele to assist them in creating strategic alliances.

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Yes and those photos are good matches to the people at the rally, don’t you think?

Had a similar set of photos of Vincent Fusca and his wife been available, the rumour that JFK Jr. was alive might not have taken hold in people’s imaginations. The few photos of Vincent that were produced didn’t look like the “so-called” Vincent at the Ohio and Pennsylvania rallies. They looked like two different men.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes and those photos are good matches to the people at the rally, don’t you think?
Like these two? Yes.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39147&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1537843618

[Arcturian108]

ALERT! Fusca is in the audience right now behind Trump to left of Trump as he faces the camera!! This just started in Wheeling, West Virginia. He is not directly behind Trump, but definitely there.

[Arcturian108]

ALERT! Fusca is in the audience right now behind Trump to left of Trump as he faces the camera!! This just started in Wheeling, West Virginia. He is not directly behind Trump, but definitely there.

Can't find him again, as the camera won't scan that way. But I am sure I saw him at the beginning of Trump's speech.

[Noelle]

I can't see him either. Someone out there is watching, gathering evidence, and video clips and photos will probably be circulated pretty quickly. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes - Trump walks in front of him, just before getting to his podium at center stage.

Here are three screen shots.

First screen shot shows him to right of podium, with a black circle I drew around him (or close, I'm not certain).

http://thepythoniccow.us/trump_rally_position.jpg
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Second screen shot is a close up. Click on following image for larger version.

http://thepythoniccow.us/trump_rally_close_up_1_thumb.jpg (http://thepythoniccow.us/trump_rally_close_up_1.jpg)
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Third screen shot is another close up. Click on following image for larger version.

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ALERT! Fusca is in the audience right now behind Trump to left of Trump as he faces the camera!! This just started in Wheeling, West Virginia. He is not directly behind Trump, but definitely there.


I can't see him either. Someone out there is watching, gathering evidence, and video clips and photos will probably be circulated pretty quickly. :)

Well done, Arcturian108. Thanks! See a couple of screen shots I took, above.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here are five screen shots of Fusca, while Trump is leaving the rally. Look for Fusca on your far right in the first image, then Fusca moves to center image as Trump walks out in front of him. Fusca interacts with the woman to his left (our right) ... the woman dressed mostly in black, with big glasses, a silver iPhone and big dark hair, but I didn't get a good screen shot of that interaction.

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[Noelle]

Thanks, Paul. He goes to these rallies well dressed and wearing hats.

[Chanie]

Thanks, Arcturian and Paul. It’s interesting that he has made another appearance, isn’t it?

Recently, Angel posted a new photo of “Vincent.”
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/ANJEL3000/status/1045838131436544000/photo/1

He also retweeted a message about the Trumpmobile being spotted in West Virginia.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/MaryAdelsberger/status/1046152499936333824

[ThePythonicCow]

Fusca interacts with the woman to his left (our right) ... the woman dressed mostly in black, with big glasses, a silver iPhone and big dark hair, but I didn't get a good screen shot of that interaction.
There might be two women fitting my description, to Fusca's left, one apparently standing on a step higher than the other (or a lot taller than the other).

I'm confused as to which one or the other or both of them Fusca interacted with as if he knew them.

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Thanks, Arcturian and Paul. It’s interesting that he has made another appearance, isn’t it?

Recently, Angel posted a new photo of “Vincent.”
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/ANJEL3000/status/1045838131436544000/photo/1

He also retweeted a message about the Trumpmobile being spotted in West Virginia.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/MaryAdelsberger/status/1046152499936333824

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39193&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1538277895[/

The woman in this picture looks to me, at first glance, to be the taller of the two women to Fusca's left at today's Trump rally.

The shorter of the two women looked more Oriental to me.

[Chanie]

There is a lot of online chatter about this latest appearance.

WWG1WGA points out that Vincent’s hat is a replica of JFK’s. Apparently, it was called a “Cavanagh fedora.” Also, someone pointed out that his tie was identical to one worn by JFK Jr.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/findtruthQ

[Chanie]

Here’s another picture from the West Virginia rally. I feel as if there might be two different men who have been appearing as Vincent, but am not sure. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/GodAndCountry8/status/1046271480458145792

[ThePythonicCow]

There are several videos uploaded of Trump's Rally in Wheeling yesterday; I've just glanced at 2 or 3 of them. Of those, this one had the best shots of Fusca:
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Look for Fusca in these three time stamp ranges in the above video:

0:00:18 - 0:00:25
1:20:22 - 1:20:39
1:21:36 - 1:21:50

[Noelle]

I'm not sure where to post this, maybe both here and the main Q thread.

Some anons are seeing JFK Jr., Q and a few other clues in the banner image that Gen. Flynn has on his Twitter page.

Gen. Flynn's Twitter page: https://twitter.com/GenFlynn

Here are a series a tweets from the same woman:
‏
@TT45Pac_

12 years reviewing paranormal photos.
I have a critical eye.
Now, I am not saying this is confirmed so I will just leave it up to .@GenFlynn to DM me on this privately if I am.
PS. If I am right Can I come to meet you and Potus?
https://twitter.com/TT45Pac_/status/1046308694902759424

*****

House
Q Team
JFK Wedding Photo
JFK Jr In a Suit at the time of crash inside the letter Q
Flynn in a helmet
JFK Jr. Sighting at a Trump Rally pic
I can barely make out a few more but it would be a guess...
Can anyone else see more?
Distorted/Blurry on purpose?
Show me it clear.
https://twitter.com/TT45Pac_/status/1046310907565883392

*****

I just found more on the beak
US Flag
Potus & Flotus On the steps at the Abe Lincoln Monument
Potus as a baby held by his parents
https://twitter.com/TT45Pac_/status/1046310907565883392

She also tweeted the attached image, pointing to the different things she sees.

Right now, after only glancing at the photo for a few minutes, I'm seeing something but not everything that she sees. The resolution on my laptop is not the best. I'll put more effort into it throughout the day.

[ThePythonicCow]

Right now, after only glancing at the photo for a few minutes, I'm something but not everything that she sees. The resolution on my laptop is not the best. I'll put more effort into it throughout the day.
Here's the maximum resolution image file of General Flynn's Twitter page banner, taken directly from the twitter server.

http://thepythoniccow.us/General_Flynn_Twitter_Page_Eagle_Banner_thumb.jpg (http://thepythoniccow.us/General_Flynn_Twitter_Page_Eagle_Banner.jpg)
<< Click >> on the above thumbnail to get the full sized image.

[Noelle]

Two more -- zoomed-in areas -- from the same Twitter account. One of those I saw during my first look. :sun:

https://twitter.com/TT45Pac_/status/1046308694902759424

[Chanie]

I’ve been thinking about something that KelliAnn mentioned in Video #18 @ the 40 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrmgrdlw6Y
She features a clip of a song that was playing as Trump’s plane departed the Moon Township, Pennsylvania rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLyrGf1gpBU
The song is Nessun Dorma from the opera Turandot. Here is an English translation of the lyrics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMl124VvFRg
She points out how the lyrics could be tied to JFK Jr. including:
1) “My secret is closed within me.”
2) “My name no one shall know.”
3) “We have to die.”
4) And of course, the final “Vincero!” meaning “I shall win!” which echos Vincent Fusca’s name meaning “to conquer.”

I’m not that familiar with opera so I did an online search in regard to Turandot.
See: https://www.thoughtco.com/turandot-synopsis-724319 for a plot summary.

What caught my eye is that it’s the story of a cold Princess who forces suitors to answer riddles. If they get it wrong, they die.

Then, along comes Prince Calaf who can’t say his name out loud because he is running from the enemies who vanquished him.

He is able to answer her three riddles. Then, he poses one of his own. What is his name? The Princess has until dawn to figure it out. Otherwise, she has to marry him.

She decrees that no one shall sleep until she learns his name. If she doesn’t, everyone will be killed. Hence the title of the song Nessun Dorma which means “no one sleeps.”

Riddles. No one sleeping. Is it my imagination or does that sound vaguely like Q with all his/her/their riddle-like questions and references to sleep? For instance, in Q Drop #2050 that states, “Those who know cannot sleep.”

And then, you have the prince who can’t say his name (reveal his identity) because he is running from the enemies who vanquished him and sings, “Vincero! I shall win!” and all the real life sightings of some guy called Vincent.

Seems like a strange coincidence.

[Noelle]

Very interesting, Chanie. The song Nessun Dorma was performed June 3, 2017 at the JFK Center. It was sung at an opera event (http://www.kennedy-center.org/calendar/event/WRGAL) held, it seems, to celebrate JFK100 (one of many events held throughout 2017 at the center to mark JFK's 100th birthday).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSNB-eFW7Ec

[ThePythonicCow]

Very interesting, Chanie. The song Nessun Dorma was performed June 3, 2017 at the JFK Center. It was sung at an opera event (http://www.kennedy-center.org/calendar/event/WRGAL) held, it seems, to celebrate JFK100 (one of many events held throughout 2017 at the center to mark JFK's 100th birthday).
I wonder if Vincent Fusca was in the audience.

[Chanie]

Very interesting, Chanie. The song Nessun Dorma was performed June 3, 2017 at the JFK Center. It was sung at an opera event (http://www.kennedy-center.org/calendar/event/WRGAL) held, it seems, to celebrate JFK100 (one of many events held throughout 2017 at the center to mark JFK's 100th birthday).
I wonder if Vincent Fusca was in the audience.

That made me smile, Paul.

It’s interesting to hear that the song was part of Kennedy’s 100th birthday celebrations, Noelle.

[Chanie]

A 20 year memorial magazine about JFK Jr. was published recently. Apparently, the publisher is President Trump’s friend. One eagle-eyed reader spotted a spelling mistake in a headline on Page 8. It read, “Gone to Soon.” Some people think the typo is deliberate and means, “Gone, to soon return.”
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/DIXIEDOODLE12/status/1049710850989326336

[ThePythonicCow]

A 20 year memorial magazine about JFK Jr. was published recently. Apparently, the publisher is President Trump’s friend. One eagle-eyed reader spotted a spelling mistake in a headline on Page 8. It read, “Gone to Soon.” Some people think the typo is deliberate and means, “Gone, to soon return.”
I like that possible explanation, rather than thinking that this is yet more evidence as to the depths that our public education system has sunk.

[Chanie]

A 20 year memorial magazine about JFK Jr. was published recently. Apparently, the publisher is President Trump’s friend. One eagle-eyed reader spotted a spelling mistake in a headline on Page 8. It read, “Gone to Soon.” Some people think the typo is deliberate and means, “Gone, to soon return.”
I like that possible explanation, rather than thinking that this is yet more evidence as to the depths that our public education system has sunk.

Exactly! 😊

[Chanie]

Vincent Fusca has been spotted at the Erie, PA rally.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/Timedabbler21/status/1050171343214395392

Here is a video clip where the cameras zoom in on him:
https://mobile.twitter.com/KPJ1Nana

[ThePythonicCow]

Vincent Fusca has been spotted at the Erie, PA rally.
Ya' think maybe something's up with that guy ?

:) :cow: :)

[Chanie]

Vincent Fusca has been spotted at the Erie, PA rally.
Ya' think maybe something's up with that guy ?

:) :cow: :)

Some people have speculated that Joe M. is JFK Jr. He says he isn’t, but tonight, he says that after this latest sighting, he now believes that JFK Jr. is alive. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/StormIsUponUs

It does feel as if there is some kind of momentum building in terms of this guy’s appearances. He seems to be popping up everywhere.

[Chanie]

WWG1WGA has posted a thread which studies Vincent’s interactions with an older man in a light (some are calling it Tiffany) blue jacket. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/findtruthQ/status/1050241784670896128

They include a handshake; both covering their mouths while talking on their phones; the older guy showing him something and then, Vincent pushing his hand down. There is also another video clip of Trump giving the older guy a salute.

NOTE: Last night, I saw a post somewhere that suggested this older gentlemen was also at the PA rally where people said Carolyn’s family attended. I’ve attached a screen shot comparing the two men.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/777KAB1/status/1050211335521427458

There is also mention of security men and how they pushed people out of their seats so Vincent could sit there. That happened at another rally—in Ohio, I think.

[mountain_jim]

Following this thread with growing interest - Fusco in latest pictures with Q shirt guy seems like he knows something, is playing a role, and is pleased with how its going. If he's not Jr., he sure wears things that seem calculated to keep the rumor alive. I bet he is part of the Q team, whoever he is.

Sometimes the variously posted Hopium information about a white hats group in the background seems like it could be true, things just move so slowly....

[Chanie]

Following this thread with growing interest - Fusco in latest pictures with Q shirt guy seems like he knows something, is playing a role, and is pleased with how its going. If he's not Jr., he sure wears things that seem calculated to keep the rumor alive. I bet he is part of the Q team, whoever he is.

Sometimes the variously posted Hopium information about a white hats group in the background seems like it could be true, things just move so slowly....

I think it’s obvious that this Vincent fellow is in on it—part of this whole business—and that he was meant to be seen last night. He made a point of posing with people at the rally.

At this point, I don’t think anyone can say with 100% certainty that JFK Jr. is alive or that Q is legitimate. As many have pointed out, it could be a PYSOP. It’s wise to be cautious, but by the same token, I haven’t seen conclusive proof that any of it is a hoax.

Like you, I’m following the story with interest. My own feeling is that if there is any truth to the story, there will be a “big reveal” around the time of his father’s death in November.

[Arcturian108]

Tried finding a photo of JFK Jr. with the same smile and possibly same teeth as Chanie's post. Again not good with the technology in posting photos side by side:

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/jfk-jr-dies-time-cover.jpg