The reward system

[Eagle Eye]

One important factor for a healthy society is implementing the right reward system. This is a matter which is so much forgotten because in this system everything about reward is represented by money. Money is the begining and the end of all social structures and that is why our society seem upside down. Since money is the represantation of reward in this society also the meaning of how it is earned, loose importance. Not to mention the other forms of reward long forgotten (like moral rewards, rewards from sacrificing, rewards for helping, protecting, learning, and much more)

Society need a hierarchy structure and thats how it will begins. Only the system based on fair rewards will appoint everyone in the right position on this structure.

[Bill Ryan]

If we're talking about reward, we should talk about punishment. China is already implementing this.


https://businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4

China has started ranking citizens with a creepy 'social credit' system — here's what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you
8 April, 2018

The Chinese state is setting up a vast ranking system system that will monitor the behaviour of its enormous population, and rank them all based on their "social credit."
The "social credit system," first announced in 2014, aims to reinforce the idea that "keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful," according to a government document (https://chinacopyrightandmedia.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/planning-outline-for-the-construction-of-a-social-credit-system-2014-2020/).

The program is due to be fully operational by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people already. The scheme is mandatory.

At the moment the system is piecemeal — some are run by city councils, others are scored by private tech platforms which hold personal data.

Like private credit scores, a person's social score can move up and down depending on their behaviour. The exact methodology is a secret — but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.

1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.

China has already started punishing people by restricting their travel.

Nine million people with low scores have been blocked from buying tickets for domestic flights, Channel News Asia reported in March (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-bad-social-credit-barred-from-buying-train-plane-tickets-10050390) , citing official statistics.

They can also clamp down on luxury options — three million people are barred from getting business-class train tickets.

The eventual system will punish bad passengers specifically. Potential misdeeds include trying to ride with no ticket, loitering in front of boarding gates, or smoking in no-smoking areas.

2. Throttling your internet speeds.

This is according to Rachel Botsman, an author who published part of her book on tech security on Wired (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion) last year. The exact mechanics aren't clear yet.

According to Foreign Policy (http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/03/life-inside-chinas-social-credit-laboratory/) , credit systems monitor whether people pay bills on time, much like financial credit trackers — but also ascribe a moral dimension.

Other mooted punishable offences include spending too long playing video games, wasting money on frivolous purchases and posting on social media.

Spreading fake news, specifically about terrorist attacks or airport security, will also be punishable offences.

3. Banning you (or your kids!) from the best schools.

17 people who refused to carry out military service last year were barred from enrolling in higher education, applying for high school, or continuing their studies, Beijing News reported (http://www.bjnews.com.cn/news/2018/03/19/479533.html).

Citizens with low social credit would also be prohibited from enrolling their children at high-paying private schools, Botsman said (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion). It's not clear whether this particular policy has been put into action yet.

4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.

"Trust-breaking" individuals would also be banned from doing management jobs in state-owned firms and big banks.

Some crimes, like fraud and embezzlement, would also have a big effect on social credit, Botsman reported.

5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.

People who refused military service were also banned from some holidays and hotels — showing that vacation plans are fair game too.

The regime rewards people here as well as punishes them.

People with good scores can speed up travel applications to places like Europe, Botsman said.

An unidentified woman in Beijing also told the BBC in 2015 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34592186) that she was able to book a hotel without having to pay a cash deposit because she had a good score.

6. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.

Naming and shaming is another tactic available. A a 2016 government notice (https://chinacopyrightandmedia.wordpress.com/2016/09/25/opinions-concerning-accelerating-the-construction-of-credit-supervision-warning-and-punishment-mechanisms-for-persons-subject-to-enforcement-for-trust-breaking/) encourages companies to consult the blacklist before hiring people or giving them contracts.

However, people will be notified by the courts before they are added to the list, and are allowed to appeal against the decision within ten days of receiving the notification.

It's not clear when the list will start to be implemented.

A prototype blacklist already exists, and has been used to punish people.

https://media.giphy.com/media/7TkE4ojDQ0WIqEkiYt/giphy.gif

The scrolling list on the left shows individual's names alongside partially redacted ID numbers, while the one on the right shows company names.

Li Xiaolin, a lawyer who was placed on the list in 2015, found himself unable to purchase plane tickets home while on a work trip, Human Rights Watch reported (https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/12/12/chinas-chilling-social-credit-blacklist). He also couldn't apply for credit cards.

Source: Chinese Supreme People's Court (http://shixin.court.gov.cn/)

There is also a list for good citizens — that will reportedly get you more matches on dating websites.

The BBC said (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34592186) that Baihe, China's biggest dating site, is boosting the profiles of good citizens.

They can also get discounts on energy bills, rent things without deposits, and get better interest rates at banks.

These perks were available to people in Rongcheng, eastern China, whose city council rolled out a social credit system for its citizens and was profiled by Foreign Policy (http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/03/life-inside-chinas-social-credit-laboratory/).

Despite the creepiness of the system — Human Rights Watch called it "chilling," while Botsman called it "a futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control" — some citizens say it's making them better people already.

A 32-year-old entrepreneur, who only gave his name as Chen, told Foreign Policy: "I feel like in the past six months, people's behaviour has gotten better and better.

"For example, when we drive, now we always stop in front of crosswalks. If you don't stop, you will lose your points.

"At first, we just worried about losing points, but now we got used to it."

[Eagle Eye]

I think that this so called "social credit" doesn't even get anywhere near to what I call fair reward, this is only their way of keeping the mass under control by implementing fear and punishment. A fair reward system isn't based on money at all but on rewarding each one's contribution in a fair level and that's what will define its position in society

[christian]

Proportionality and hierarchy are considered to be two out of four universal social motives.


Unity is the motive to care for and support the integrity of in-groups by avoiding or eliminating threats of contamination and providing aid and protection based on need or empathic compassion.

Hierarchy is the motive to respect rank in social groups where superiors are entitled to deference and respect but must also lead, guide, direct, and protect subordinates.

Equality is the motive for balanced, in-kind reciprocity, equal treatment, equal say, and equal opportunity.

Proportionality is the motive for rewards and punishments to be proportionate to merit, benefits to be calibrated to contributions, and judgments to be based on a utilitarian calculus of costs and benefits.

The four moral motives are universal, but cultures, ideologies, and individuals differ in when they activate these motives and how they implement them.

Because the creation of money is monopolized—with the state guarding this monopoly—the money that comes out of this is heavily corrupted, it's designed as an instrument to benefit the few at the expense of the many.

If you simply leave it up to the people what they wanna use as money, that would change. They'd use (gold-)backed curriences or other forms of money that cannot be inflated out of thin air by a bank or by some banks.

If you then also minimize state intervention in the economy in general, sound money would flow freely between people based on the voluntary appreciation of the services, the products or even the mere presence or existence of one another.

[Bill Ryan]

Singapore is also a draconian, social-control, punishment-oriented society. (However, visitors say that's it's clean, orderly, and a very reassuringly safe and pleasant place to be.)

Here's an article from 2012:


https://businessinsider.com/absurd-laws-of-singapore-2012-6

Fines run up to $1,000 for littering

It is illegal to litter in many countries, but the punishments for doing it in Singapore are without comparison.

Not only can you get as much as a $1,000 fine, litterers receive "community work orders," where they are forced to pick up trash in public. The punishment is intended to publicly embarrass convicted litterers.

It is illegal to urinate in elevators

Obviously everyone hates an elevator that smells like urine, but Singapore officials really hate it. Some elevators are equipped with Urine Detection Devices (http://rogerpoh.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/singapore-public-toilets-are-the-dirtiest-in-the-region/). These UDDs can actually detect urine odor in elevators, which set off an alarm. Once this alarm goes off, the doors of the elevator close until the police arrive and arrest the perpetrator.

Selling chewing gum is forbidden

The Asian country takes cleanliness seriously, and apparently gum causes too much of a mess to be sold in the country. This doesn't mean that you can't bring a little with you — just make sure you don't spit it on the floor, otherwise you can face a hefty fine.

But after strong petitioning by Wrigley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_ban_in_Singapore), if you get a note from a doctor you can chew certain medicinal gums.

No pornography of any kind is allowed

There is a lot of censorship in Singapore, and this includes the ban on pornography in all forms, from pictures to DVDs. Magazines that discuss sex, like Cosmopolitan, are allowed, but require special "parental warnings" on their covers. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Singapore)

Gay sex is illegal and comes with a two-year jail term

Sexual relationships between two members of the same gender are forbidden in Singapore, although the law is not nearly as strictly enforced as some of the other laws on this list. Formerly, oral sex was also illegal until the ban was lifted in 2007.

You can get fined for not flushing public toilets

There is clearly a trend in Singapore about keeping things clean, and this extends to the bathroom as well.

If you're caught failing to flush a public toilet after using it, you can expect a fine of around $150 (http://rogerpoh.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/singapore-public-toilets-are-the-dirtiest-in-the-region/). There do not appear to be detectors like there are for elevator urination, but apparently police officials have been known to check.

It is illegal to walk around your house naked

Singapore culture is intent on prohibiting many personal rights, the government reason for which is that it creates harmony in a conservative and culturally diverse country.

Thus, you can't walk around your house naked, according to Singapore law, because it is considered a form of pornography, but it is unclear how a law like this is enforced.

Do not spit anywhere

Along with throwing cigarette butts on the street, spitting is banned in Singapore. As with similar prohibitions, these laws are in place to maintain Singapore's reputation for cleanliness.

Both infractions come with significant fines and are routinely enforced.

You can be arrested for taking drugs before entering the country

Singapore officials have the power to submit anyone to a drug test, whether they are residents of the country or tourists.

What is really shocking about this law is that officials do not disseminate between drugs taken before or after you come into the country. This is really frightening, considering that there are mandatory death sentences for certain drug offenses.

If you graffiti, you will get caned

Respect for public property is taken seriously in Singapore, so it should be no surprise that vandalism is really despised — so much so that if you are caught vandalizing, you will receive a mandatory caning.

Singapore's justice system is different from the US's, as certain laws can have mandatory sentences. Furthermore, Singapore courts do not have juries, only judges.

[Bill Ryan]

Returning to reward (rather than punishment!), quite a lot of good research has been done showing that money is NOT always people's prime motivator.

Here's a wonderful, entertaining, 10-minute graphic presentation. Recommended. :Party:

How Motivation is Driven by Purpose - and not Monetary Incentives


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKKPQiRRag

[Eagle Eye]

Every culture is different and each of them has things that for other cultures seem weird. These rules are more culture based and that is why many countries has so different laws. I wasn't getting to these specific kind of discussion because its obvious that human perception is different and rules are made by this perception. I was talking in general, what a system need to function in a proper way, that is implementing fair rewards based on each contribution. Because only those with the greatest contributions can enjoy a high position and also with everyone's approval.

[Orph]

How Motivation is Driven by Purpose - and not Monetary Incentives[/B]

Hilarious. We all know that politicians are bribe taking liars. (In the U.S.). But this video (in Bills post) shows us what we also already know, and that is, the people running this country, (politicians), are complete idiots as well. Have a problem, .... throw more money at it.

[spade]

living over herein singapore has its advantages... if you notice the rules are pretty much conservative. the very liberal nature of western thought will find conservatism strange or even draconian, just like asking what a pro-abortionist thinks of pro-lifers. but China is a different story... their government is truly Marxist... evil and controlling, intent on wiping out Christianity, revealing their true devilish nature.

[ichingcarpenter]

I know whenever I go to a major sporting event the US air force do flyovers, the bands play patriotic music, the troops march

celebrating
Teachers, Firefighters, Nurses, Caregivers and those that do good deeds in our name............ OH wait........ nevermind