The Decline of Modern Man (Masculinity)

[TargeT]

I feel this topic has been lightly touched on here over in the semi-recent past.

I have had come things happen in my personal life that have brought this more to the for-front and believe it is a serious problem that is currently, and mostly silently occurring.

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I'm not sure what the answer is, but it certainly isn't "the patriarchy"... I think it's a further shattering of society that is extremely prevalent in western culture.

[gini]

There seem to be a taboo created around the differences between masculinity and femininity ,and it goes way back to the seventies ,when i was a kid and feminism was on the rise here in the netherlands. I learned young to hide my 'masculine' tendencies till the point i was trying to act as an androgyn in my teens,to hide my heterosexual desires.This happened to a whole generation ,we had the androgynic pop and moviestars as our role models.Suggesting there were intrinsical differerences between men and women was old fashioned:it s all just cultural conditioning was the enlightened opinion those days.

This has created a growing frustration and confusion about our roles as males in a increasing anti- hetero and anti- maculine society.
I had this summer an experience when i was 10 days in Spain,Granada.I am used to dance and flirt with the ladies ,thats just part of the delicious Andalucian culture.In the 10 days i was there i' ve been 3 times violently threatened by lesbian girls telling me to f...off and they were quikly backed by a a little crowd,pretty scary.Its getting extreme and absurd and i wonder for how long this will continue to go on...
On the positive side, i can see that there is more and more a search and slowly a reappreciation for the value of men who are allowing themselves to be-consciously- masculine and women who allow themselves to be-consciously- feminine.Probably its all about becoming conscious about these qualities for our personal lives and as as a collective,as opposed to the unconcious ,conditioned behavior of men who abuse(d) women (and men) through the power of their masculinity.Its silly to blame masculinity for the abuse of power,wich is always the real cause of the problem.Its like blaming the gasoline for a car accident,because it made the car drive in the first place...

[Pam]

I definitely think this is a part of out social programming. Our current social climate is based on victim hood and identity politics. I have watched the demonization of the white male for a long time and now see heterosexual black males and white male homosexuals are slowing being added to "the list". I hate to see males falling into this trap, but I do understand that buying into it might make life easier. This is a witch hunt based on the behaviors of generations long gone. What if each of us were to be held accountable for the behavior of our ancestors? We would all be out. This is the a time where emotionalism reigns and reason, logic and common sense are out the window for many. What better way to destabilize the culture than go after the males.

I spend a lot of time watching the natural world. The different genders of each species have specific jobs in raising offspring. There is a distinct difference in each gender for most species. There is a reason for this. There is a duality in this world, a Yin/Yang , if you will. We deny this at our own peril. Human's have come to feel they are separate from nature and can decide their own fate. How is that working out?

[Bill Ryan]

I'll quote this extract from Robert Pirsig's masterwork of inspiration and genius, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Robert%20Pirsig%20-%20Zen%20and%20the%20Art%20of%20Motorcycle%20Maintenance.pdf). He's talking about the concept of Areté, which Pirsig (in one word) equates to 'Quality', but is also defined here (http://www.ptta.pl/pef/haslaen/a/arete.pdf) as




ARETÉ (’αρετη)—in ancient Greek a term describing a maximum of ability and potency for action: a man’s effectiveness and skill in goodness.

Here's Pirsig's description. I've genuinely never forgotten it, and I found it again in an instant. It's about what a man should be.




The hero of the Odyssey is a great fighter, a wily schemer, a ready speaker, a man of stout heart and broad wisdom who knows that he must endure without too much complaining what the gods send; and he can both build and sail a boat, drive a furrow as straight as anyone, beat a young braggart at throwing the discus, challenge the Pheacian youth at boxing, wrestling or running; flay, skin, cut up and cook an ox, and be moved to tears by a song. He is in fact an excellent all-rounder; he has surpassing Areté.

[TargeT]

Our societal system is not very supportive to organic masculinity.

I feel this talk impressively nails the problem, via a tangent of philosophical discussion.
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in short:

Responsibility and self respect are difficult to obtain as a modern man; yet so astoundingly easy when explained.

[betoobig]

It is my belief it all doesn´t truly matter as long as we, as man or woman, find our true connection. Without our true connection we´ll still NEED someone else to tell us how to be, but will never be satisfying. Once we pulish and clear our own conection we´ll cellebrate diversity and this type of polarized topics will vanish. PLus being aligned or conected gives you the selflove and respect, worthinees we know we are and have. Stop looking for that respect or love outside or things will never change. do look inside and do love yourself becouse....nothing else matters
Much love
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[Ernie Nemeth]

My muscles aren't big enough to do justice to the masculine thing. So, in my case, masculinity was always an issue. I am a forced beta male, with fierce alpha tendencies. My method of dealing with this has been to be the one with the brains, the wise one with the good advice. It has served me well. I am well co-ordinated and possess athletic skills so that part of the masculine thing was no problem at all.

When men start competing I might display some peacock feathers too but tend towards the sidelines. I never much liked men's way of talking about women, though. I don't like being controlled by my hormones to such an extent and have often denied my drive because I don't like being obvious. It has often confused me and caused problems. I didn't know then that women know if you like them way before you do...

In many ways I have always found that male bravado treads a fine line between machismo and homosexuality. Sometimes it turns out to be the later.

On the other hand there are those men who are such pure examples of masculinity that it is impossible not to be impressed and admire them, even want to be their friend - with no sexual overtones at all. One guy I knew wasn't a big man, but his masculinity oozed from every pore and women flocked to him as if drugged.

Maybe young males might experience a softening of their masculinity because of the media and its androgynous campaign but I believe there are as many 'real' men as ever. It's in our genes. :)

[Bill Ryan]

My muscles aren't big enough to do justice to the masculine thing. So, in my case, masculinity was always an issue. I am a forced beta male, with fierce alpha tendencies.

Being an 'Alpha Male' has NOTHING to do with size, height, or musculature.

Someone could be an Alpha Male in a wheelchair. (Look at some disabled sportsmen, and they clearly are.)

It's got to do with leadership, ethics, courage, decision-making, example, attitude, responsibility, often fatherhood and what it is to be a great husband, and also (I would strongly argue) sensitivity and kindness.

NOT about what weights you can lift. :)

[Bill Ryan]

For all those who are interested in this important topic, here's a companion thread:


When men were men & women were feminine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103734-When-men-were-men-women-were-feminine)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Stop looking for that respect or love outside or things will never change. do look inside and do love yourself

Loving yourself is a very healthy thing to do. But pumping men full of estrogen analogues to feminize them is not.

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Check the list of ingredients on what you're eating, fellas.

Soy is in everything from salad dressing to ketchup, to frozen food. All over the damned place.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I never eat soy, green beans or corn. Many plastics and some types of herbicides and pesticides contain analogues to estrogen and testosterone.

And frankenfood is just nasty and unhealthy.

[Ernie Nemeth]

My muscles aren't big enough to do justice to the masculine thing. So, in my case, masculinity was always an issue. I am a forced beta male, with fierce alpha tendencies.

Being an 'Alpha Male' has NOTHING to do with size, height, or musculature.

Someone could be an Alpha Male in a wheelchair. (Look at some disabled sportsmen, and they clearly are.)

It's got to do with leadership, ethics, courage, decision-making, example, attitude, responsibility, often fatherhood and what it is to be a great husband, and also (I would strongly argue) sensitivity and kindness.

NOT about what weights you can lift. :)

It might be as you say and I will look at the links. Here is my current take on the issue. The best way to describe it is to recount a typical encounter with what I term an alpha male. Within first five minutes of meeting in a formal social setting. Guy asks what I "do". I tell him. Next he asks how much is my credit score. No idea. Next he tells me of his female conquests. Then goes on to fights where he inflicted major damage on his opponent. Then he compares his biceps to mine. Then after much taunting, coerces me to an arm wrestling match, which of course he wins. From then on I'm his bitch in his mind. It will now take me years to correct his thoughts, if I even bother to show him I am way above his station - even without large muscles.

Sometimes out of frustration I have called out such men and challenged them to a fight, since they are so tuff. Thing about large men, they are slow and often have poor balance - and they like to charge like a mad bull. I have never lost such a fight...

Now I will look at the links. Thanks

[Pam]

My muscles aren't big enough to do justice to the masculine thing. So, in my case, masculinity was always an issue. I am a forced beta male, with fierce alpha tendencies.

Being an 'Alpha Male' has NOTHING to do with size, height, or musculature.

Someone could be an Alpha Male in a wheelchair. (Look at some disabled sportsmen, and they clearly are.)

It's got to do with leadership, ethics, courage, decision-making, example, attitude, responsibility, often fatherhood and what it is to be a great husband, and also (I would strongly argue) sensitivity and kindness.

NOT about what weights you can lift. :)

It might be as you say and I will look at the links. Here is my current take on the issue. The best way to describe it is to recount a typical encounter with what I term an alpha male. Within first five minutes of meeting in a formal social setting. Guy asks what I "do". I tell him. Next he asks how much is my credit score. No idea. Next he tells me of his female conquests. Then goes on to fights where he inflicted major damage on his opponent. Then he compares his biceps to mine. Then after much taunting, coerces me to an arm wrestling match, which of course he wins. From then on I'm his bitch in his mind. It will now take me years to correct his thoughts, if I even bother to show him I am way above his station - even without large muscles.

You have a right to think as you wish, Ernie, but your Alpha male sounds a little cartoonish to me. I see quite a few Alpha males in my rural community. My impression is that they work hard, are not afraid to communicate, are not prone to dramatics and do what is necessary to get the job done. Of course, my opinion is as narrow as yours. Any personality type runs the spectrum of behaviors. When you are given a gift, the most important thing is what you do with it, being masculine with a take charge personality can be used for benefit or abused for detriment.

[BMJ]

I'm not sure what the answer is, but it certainly isn't "the patriarchy"... I think it's a further shattering of society that is extremely prevalent in western culture.

The "Proud Boys" might not be the ideal, as they try to rediscover their manliness they are more like a work in progress.

But I think they are going in the right direction.


Defending Gender part 1 - Proud Boys
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SBS Dateline
Published on Jul 6, 2018
In part one of Dateline’s two-part gender special meet the Proud Boys, a group of men who say they are speaking up for a new class of minority: the disenfranchised young male.



Gavin McInnes Explains What 'The Proud Boys' Are
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Andrew Says
Published on Feb 1, 2018
Gavin explains who and what the Proud Boys are at David Horowitz's restoration weekend. What they stand for, why, and shares a few stories about confrontations he/they have had.

[petra]

I feel this topic has been lightly touched on here over in the semi-recent past.

I have had come things happen in my personal life that have brought this more to the for-front and believe it is a serious problem that is currently, and mostly silently occurring.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but it certainly isn't "the patriarchy"... I think it's a further shattering of society that is extremely prevalent in western culture.

I don't think I can relate as well as a male would...

I can say though, the word masculine (and feminine too) has lost all meaning for me. It just doesn't mean anything anymore.

Here's how that happened. A friend of mine gave me a drink a few weeks ago called "Death in the afternoon", which is named after a Hemingway book. Hemingway apparently liked his Absinthe, and my friend was using him as an example of manliness.

I looked up Hemingway, and one of the first things I find out is that he died by suicide.

I over reacted and blurted out this: "Killing yourself is NOT MANLY"... lucky for me, he barely noticed. Ever since that - lost all meaning.

[hermit]

So much youtube here. :D

Is there anything peer reviewed? That would be the meat and potatoes kind of thing I could sink my teeth into. :)

[TargeT]

My muscles aren't big enough to do justice to the masculine thing. So, in my case, masculinity was always an issue. I am a forced beta male, with fierce alpha tendencies.

Being an 'Alpha Male' has NOTHING to do with size, height, or musculature.

Someone could be an Alpha Male in a wheelchair. (Look at some disabled sportsmen, and they clearly are.)

It's got to do with leadership, ethics, courage, decision-making, example, attitude, responsibility, often fatherhood and what it is to be a great husband, and also (I would strongly argue) sensitivity and kindness.

NOT about what weights you can lift. :)

It might be as you say and I will look at the links. Here is my current take on the issue. The best way to describe it is to recount a typical encounter with what I term an alpha male. Within first five minutes of meeting in a formal social setting. Guy asks what I "do". I tell him. Next he asks how much is my credit score. No idea. Next he tells me of his female conquests. Then goes on to fights where he inflicted major damage on his opponent. Then he compares his biceps to mine. Then after much taunting, coerces me to an arm wrestling match, which of course he wins. From then on I'm his bitch in his mind. It will now take me years to correct his thoughts, if I even bother to show him I am way above his station - even without large muscles.

You have a right to think as you wish, Ernie, but your Alpha male sounds a little cartoonish to me. I see quite a few Alpha males in my rural community. My impression is that they work hard, are not afraid to communicate, are not prone to dramatics and do what is necessary to get the job done. Of course, my opinion is as narrow as yours. Any personality type runs the spectrum of behaviors. When you are given a gift, the most important thing is what you do with it, being masculine with a take charge personality can be used for benefit or abused for detriment.

I think he's just describing an asshole extrovert, not an alpha male.

I am an Alpha, it's mostly about attitude and confidence, not size or anything else; though that does lend to the "leader" role as physical size and ability was important historically so I'm sure just that alone gives at least hints at a "leader".

I can some times exhibit "asshole like" behaviors, I can dominate a conversation (not good behavior) with volume and eloquent rhetoric; and I know this is frustrating when on the receiving end so I try my best not to do it; I do think empathy is a large part of being a Leader (aka Alpha). The 18 years in the military I've spent so far grooms us to be decisive confident leaders.. That behavior is encouraged in the military (though there are some catches).

I do not fight, I won't fight; ever. If I feel like I or someone around me is in danger (and it has to be very serious) I will simply defend them/myself as brutally and quickly as possible... fighting is some childish ego driven asshole move & proves nothing really as most people who fight do so with very little training and it boils down to "luck" often unless it's a lopsided confrontation.






So much youtube here. :D

Is there anything peer reviewed? That would be the meat and potatoes kind of thing I could sink my teeth into. :)

I've watched them all... I'm kinda partial to Jordan (the videos I posted at the top) due to his extremely towering intellect and articulate way of expanding on topics in the psychological realm...

But then, I'd probably recommend any of Mr Peterson's YouTube videos... I find them all fascinating.

You'll just have to jump in and see for your self, but I do understand the hesitancy to commit time, I often gloss over Youtube videos posted with little context (luckily this thread doesn't seem to suffer from that).

[hermit]

Just thinking that, given a peer reviewed study, it might shed some interesting light from academia as to the nature of the issue, possible solutions, that sort of thing. I'll go hunt.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Not my cup of tea, either. That's why I don't like parties much. 'They' can get away with being an *sshole, I cannot. I get triggered and I taunt such types with insulting remarks, that others find offensive. It is me who then looks like the hind end of a donkey. That is why I stated I am a forced beta.

No. My male friends are alpha through and through, with brains, skills, compassion, and integrity. They would never pick a fight or be involved in one unless absolutely necessary, and then brutally, like you said. I don't have that killer instinct.

I only fight when I know it is right. That's why I never loose...and I would never underestimate my opponent, I understand that a few might have real training.

The fighting is coming up because in my mind the intimidation tactics of males makes me cringe. I don't like being involved in them. For me there is no gray area, either we are being friendly or I'm leaving. Again, I would like to stay but since I don't respond well to intimidation, if I'm threatened, I get real mean and I don't care what happens next. So for me the only smart choice is always to leave.

In my mind that is the response of a beta male.

[TargeT]

Are mass shootings a symptom of this issue?
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[Mike]

Maybe someone can reformat this for me. Can't quite get this right on my phone.

Anyway, this is really funny. And also relevant to the thread.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nwfq6

[RunningDeer]

Maybe someone can reformat this for me. Can't quite get this right on my phone.

Anyway, this is really funny. And also relevant to the thread.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nwfq6
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Best of Bill Burr: Fear of flying
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[Innocent Warrior]

Our societal system is not very supportive to organic masculinity.

I feel this talk impressively nails the problem, via a tangent of philosophical discussion.
NX2ep5fCJZ8

in short:

Responsibility and self respect are difficult to obtain as a modern man; yet so astoundingly easy when explained.

He’s definitely on to something here.

My son is a millennial and I noticed the difference between the boys and the girls in his classes as young as seven years old. I used to go in once a week and take a group of year two students from his class and read with them.

The boys were more independent but it didn’t show as disobedience (or not agreeable) because the boys, God love them, were behaving anyway, but they were so bored, whereas the girls were focussed and totally into it and did really well. I’d have them sit in a circle and each student would read a page, one after the other, in order around the circle. The girls were completely on task, reading beautifully, on the correct page, while the boys mostly needed prompting and guidance, usually one of the girls would jump in and alert them (and they were quite bossy BTW, since the boys were ‘misbehaving’). The boys could read perfectly, they had just zoned out by the time it was their turn and needed to be prompted regularly.

Fast forward to the end of year ten, my fifteen year old son, his father and myself, are in a meeting with his school career guidance counsellor. Our task was to assist my son in choosing subjects for years 11 and 12, his senior years before graduating high school. After a long explanation of what his options were, while apologetically acknowledging that this is possibly the worst time for boys to be choosing their senior subjects, we were informed that the best pathway for my son didn’t involve getting his QCE and an OP (required for entry into university) due to his rather unimpressive grades thus far.

My son and his father were accepting but I wasn’t having it and after my insistence that my son graduates with all options available to him, begging one of the teachers to have him in his class, and agreeing to pay over $1,200 for a class that would get him over the line, my son was on a pathway with all options available to him when he graduated.

Fast forward two years to my son’s high school graduation ceremony. The graduating class had shrunk from those who finished year ten and out of those year 12 graduates, only 40% graduated with their QCE and OP (my son being one of them, phew). Is it any wonder there’s a decline in men at universities? My son has just finished his second semester at university and he’s loving it, he’s engaged and far from bored because it is what he wants to do.

The solution to the decline of men in universities, here in Australia at least, is an updated education system, not one that was designed centuries ago. I don’t know why we’re seeing the effects so much more now with the millennials, perhaps because authority is questioned more now and the outdated system relies heavily on obedience, but dragging little boys through years of a system that they’re clearly not interested in isn’t going to work any longer.

[Valerie Villars]

God that rang a bell with me Rachel. Why did I have to wait till my son died to hear from a teacher at his funeral, "You're son was brilliant. He was so far ahead of the pack?"

I mean I only had a boy, a woman who never had brothers and I so admired my son's spirit and rebelliousness. Man I loved his young spirit.

I was a good "girl" like you describe above. Until I hit high school. But my son, he was ALWAYS on it.

The system hates that.

[Innocent Warrior]

God that rang a bell with me Rachel. Why did I have to wait till my son died to hear from a teacher at his funeral, "You're son was brilliant. He was so far ahead of the pack?"

I mean I only had a boy, a woman who never had brothers and I so admired my son's spirit and rebelliousness. Man I loved his young spirit.

I was a good "girl" like you describe above. Until I hit high school. But my son, he was ALWAYS on it.

The system hates that.

Hi Val,

Yeah, I was a good girl too. I’m generalising here and in my previous post of course but girls seem to be naturally more disciplined and organised at a young age, so they can adapt to the discipline of school more easily. Although generalising, the difference between the boys and the girls is still clearly observable, by some teachers too. And not all boys had as much difficulty as my son did, your son sounds much like mine. It was even suggested to me to medicate my son so he could better focus in class...you can imagine what my response to that was. O_o I tried fish oil instead, without much success, without the will nothing is of much help.

I meant to include this in my previous post but forgot. My son also said that he enjoys uni because he’s “treated like a human being”. It is largely the system though, he had some brilliant teachers, gorgeous people, some who didn’t particularly agree with the system.

My son was accepted into a university which has a very modern approach to education, loads of prac and deep learning. His high school careers counsellor advised him not to apply because “it’s too expensive”. It is very expensive but I don’t consider it too expensive since I don’t think my son would do so well sitting in a large auditorium, listening to professors’ lectures. Whatever works, you know? And it is working, my son has a meeting with a gentleman soon who wants to employ him when he graduates, my son will be earning more than I ever have, straight out of uni. Not bad for a boy who didn’t have the grades at 15 years old to graduate high school with the requirements to enter uni eh?

The system is not the expert on our children’s needs and capabilities, we are.

P.S. Haha, that fear of flying video is hilarious...”do some man **** right now, do some man ****!”.

[Omni]

I feel the products of mkultra and it's presence has warped society's gender personality. They have feminized men, made women more masculine, transexualized and homosexualized straight people and social engineered it all into the satanic concoction it is today. I have been witness to the feminizing of males first hand (with myself). I am recovering to this day. It seems like as a society we have lost some of the important gender roles since the 1950s. We have lost some of our important identity as men and women. My own disposition is complicated. I disagree with a patriarch dominated society, disagree with female stereotypes of a woman needing to cook and clean, but also agree with classic male and female values like femininity and masculinity and the synergy of the two.

[ErtheVessel]

I believe there is tremendous metaphysical power in the sacred and complimentary polarity of the masculine and feminine. It seems to me that the destruction of this healthy, magnificent polarity is intentional and profoundly weakens our human spirit.

As men and women, we can bring out the very best in each other, on a very deep spiritual level, or we can destroy each other. Seems to me, TPTB are working hard to encourage us to feel justified in destroying each other. Part of the old "divide and conquer" strategy, perhaps.

The 1950s version of masculine/feminine polarity was not particularly healthy or spiritually informed but I believe it was at least headed in a better direction than the gender chaos and far-reaching hatred of the masculine that I'm seeing today.

As a woman, I do not give women a free pass. Playing the victim that we are encouraged to play is a cop out. I believe there is tremendous (lost?) power in the true and mature feminine spirit. What does it actually mean to be a woman? How many women take any time at all to know what that's about? How much easier it is to blame men than it is to go deep and find out how each of us is contributing to the problem.

Most of the "powerful" women I see are just behaving like men. What does it mean to be a powerful woman, a woman who is connected deeply to the archetype of the feminine and not just a woman pretending to be a man? And then there are plenty of women who believe they have arrived at true womanhood just because they have given birth to children. I have, however, personally seen scads of evidence that giving birth does not automatically confer psychologically or spiritually mature womanhood, Hollywood notwithstanding.

Sorry for the rant, but the male bashing topic just really sets me off. I am not responding to anyone at all on this thread - I pretty much agree with everything everyone has said. I just felt I needed to say that there is no problem with men that is not also a problem with women. We are an inescapable polarity. If one side is out of balance, so is the other side, inevitably.

[hermit]

I feel the products of mkultra and it's presence has warped society's gender personality. They have feminized men, made women more masculine, transexualized and homosexualized straight people and social engineered it all into the satanic concoction it is today. I have been witness to the feminizing of males first hand (with myself). I am recovering to this day. It seems like as a society we have lost some of the important gender roles since the 1950s. We have lost some of our important identity as men and women. My own disposition is complicated. I disagree with a patriarch dominated society, disagree with female stereotypes of a woman needing to cook and clean, but also agree with classic male and female values like femininity and masculinity and the synergy of the two.

That's a heavy claim.

As someone not familiar with this, could you please point me towards the evidence?

And is this a conspiracy, a conclusion, or a hypothesis?

*To qualify, I'm a queer man.

[Deux Corbeaux]

I’m posting this here as well, as I think it’s relevant.


These Images Show The Disastrous Result Of Chemically Castrating Generations Of Men Which Could Lead To 'The Extinction Of The Human Species'

By Susan Duclos

http://allnewspipeline.com/This_Is_The_Result_Chemically_Castrating_Men.php


http://allnewspipeline.com/images/girlymenlingerie2.jpg

I could just say "nuff said and be done because a picture speaks more than a thousand words. I could also apologize to readers for the image above, which apparently has become a new "thing" amidst the all out war against men and masculinity by liberals, and the LGBT community along with today's version of feminists, but I won't apologize because it is vitally important that men be aware of the result of decades of feminizing men

THE WAR AGAINST MEN IS REAL

We have all seen the "toxic masculinity" articles and stories, where feminists and the LGBT community continuously attempt to push for the idea that "beta males" are more favorable to manly men. As a normal woman, let me assure the gentlemen reading this, nothing is farther from the truth. That is evidenced by the same people that push that nonsensical idea, also refusing to date men that have bought into the concept.

We have seen stories coming from the UK, where boys can no longer wear shorts, just trousers or "skirts," with feminists claiming that skirts shouldn't be banned but boys should be encouraged to wear female apparel in order to "break down gender stereotypes."

http://allnewspipeline.com/images/girlymendresses2.jpg

We have seen fashion houses promoting "men in dresses," and school programs targeting children here in America with drags queens offering children story hours, reading to them, with liberal websites like the Huffington Post claiming these types of kids' programs are something "we all need in our lives."

Errrr.... No, we don't.

There is no segment of society more under attack that white Christian males, but the images are the result of a decades old war against men that started with using chemicals to decimate the male population, causing decreased birth rates and the emasculation and feminization of men.

CHEMICALLY CASTRATING MEN IS PART OF THE DEPOPULATION AGENDA

It is no secret that the global elites have been pushing a depopulation agenda for decades, from the March 2009 U.N. Population Division policy brief, to prominent world figures blatantly talking about it, but what we do know is there are chemicals that every household uses every single day, that has been part of implementing the depopulation agenda over the course of time.

Xenoestrogens mimic estrogen and suppresses testosterone.

Those include Atrazine which is found in 94 percent of the U.S. drinking water, and according to Berkeley Research back in 2010, "wreaks havoc with the sex lives of adult male frogs, emasculating three-quarters of them and turning one in 10 into females."

Others include but are not limited to; Aspartame (artificial sweetener), Dioxines, Phthalates (found in plastics and vinyl), Organophosphates (pesticides), Estradiol (dairy products). These chemicals and many others used in our daily lives cause a variety of reactions from reducing sperm count, to testicular atrophy and tumors, to producing testosterone, to causing reproductive problems, birth defects and decreasing semen volume.

http://allnewspipeline.com/images/PJBOY.jpg

THE RESULTS FROM CHEMICALLY CASTRATING A GENERATION OF MEN

The results can be seen in the statistics available, such as 30 million American men are afflicted with erectile dysfunction or impotence, according to Web MD. The Census Bureau’s March 2016 Current Population Survey shows there are nearly 157 million American males.

According to Reuters in July 2017, sperm counts in men from America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand have dropped by more than 50 percent in less than 40 years. The lead author of the study, Hagai Levine, calls the results "quite shocking," stating "this is a classic under the radar huge public health problem that is really neglected. He then asserts "eventually we may have a problem and with reproduction in general. It may be the extinction of the human species." (Source)

Testosterone levels in men have also massively decreased over time, as explained at Body Well USA in October 2016:

My observations as a clinician have been confirmed by multiple studies. One of the more illuminating studies, the Massachusetts Male Aging Study (MMAS), gathered data on 1,500 randomly selected men in the Boston area in three distinct time periods over 17 years (1987-89, 1995-97, and 2002-04). It measured their total testosterone levels as well as their bioavailable testosterone levels (that is, the testosterone that was actually able to be utilized by the body) . What they found was that both total and bioavailable T levels were decreasing by 1.2% and 1.3% respectively – every year. That’s between 20.4% and 22.1% over the years of the study.

Another large study, known as The Finnish Study, suggests that the drop in T levels was significant in younger men. A man born in 1970 has 20% less testosterone than his father did at the same age. In other words, a man who’s 46 this year has 20% less testosterone than his father did when he (the father) was 46!

While there are a number of theories posed as to the cause, as that article states "Many of them center around endocrine disruptors – chemicals that interfere with your body’s hormonal systems. Perhaps it’s one or more of the fifty chemicals introduced into the food supply each week. Researchers have theorized pesticides on crops, mineral deficiencies due to factory farming, lack of sleep, and even cellphone radiation."

NCBI reported in 2016 that testosterone has become one of the most widely prescribed medications in the USA, increasing five-fold according to 2011 data.

http://allnewspipeline.com/images/girlymenLINGERIE3.jpg

BOTTOM LINE - MULTI-PRONGED ATTACK AGAINST MEN

The chemical castration and feminization of men throughout the decades was only one prong of a multi-pronged attack. Once a generation of men were already permanently altered by these everyday chemicals, then came the emotional and mental manipulation, the push for "beta males," the attacks against masculinity by calling it toxic, all in an attempt to convince men affected by the chemical castration that it is "normal" to become more feminine.

Then came the dresses for men, promoted even within some of the most prominent fashion houses. Then the use of men for cosmetics commercials.

Now..... lingerie for men.

The images shown in the article above, are the disastrous result of chemically castrating generations of men.

http://allnewspipeline.com/This_Is_The_Result_Chemically_Castrating_Men.php

[Valerie Villars]

Well, those pics don't do a thing for me. :raining:

@Rachel. Yes they told me my son had ADHD and he needed to be put on medicine. I said no.

[Caliban]

Well, those pics don't do a thing for me. :raining:

@Rachel. Yes they told me my son had ADHD and he needed to be put on medicine. I said no.

I remember hearing Grace Slick, talking about her generation, say that "we were the best public school-educated generation before or since." And if you listen to those people talk, you can hear that they were taught how to think, not just reel off useless information. And if you notice now, a lot of people in their twenties/thirties sound the same. Same vocabulary, same ideas... it's a bad joke.

The best a kid can do now, boy or girl, is to escape with as little damage as possible. You have to educate your own kids, however you can. Most of the teachers are inept and the curriculum is insufficient, uncreative and banal. Boys especially are lost, because they innately know most of what they're given is bullsh-t. Hence, the desire to medicate little Johnny. The best course might be to tell them that the system is quite bad, to do the work but don't take it seriously. I.E., be honest with them.

[Merlinus]

Man is order, men create, lead, and maintain civilisation.

That is why they're literally eradicating men, via social + chemical engineering, because, when man falls, everything else will fall.

They will then provide the solution/remedy to the chaos/disorder (which they created) via a one world gov/collective transhumanism.

We're in the midst of the fall of man.

[Mike]

I was watching this old Jane's Addiction video earlier tonight. At the end of the song, which was being played live, Perry Ferrel, Dave Navarro, and Flea all made a point of kissing each other on the lips after they took a bow. And my first thought was, what the f#ck was that all about?

Of course there's nothing wrong with men kissing men, if that's what they prefer. I have no issue with that at all. I initially reacted the way I did because the whole thing felt affected. It was performance. It just felt obnoxious to me. It was a silly attention grab masquerading as this kind of progressive affection or something. It was just f#cking stupid.

It was a micro expression of the bigger problem we see today. Of course we have genuinely queer and transsexual folks, and thats cool...but on the flip side we have this sorta hipstery wanna be crowd - the neurotic tribe of the lost, i call them- who are either only slightly confused about their sexuality or just adopting something different and eccentric as a means of finding an identity.

And you might say, Mike what's wrong with that? All kids and young adults are looking to establish an identity. That's true. But this erosion of masculinity has now gotten way out of hand, in my view...what with young teens getting irreversible sex change surgeries and so on. It's gone from a mere trend to warping the collective psyche of our youth.

[TargeT]

Interesting rant

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[TargeT]

So we've looked at one side of the pendulum swing... but every action has an equal and opposite reaction

Thus, the T.H.O.T. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlxxHAJDsVk) arises.

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[Denise/Dizi]

God that rang a bell with me Rachel. Why did I have to wait till my son died to hear from a teacher at his funeral, "You're son was brilliant. He was so far ahead of the pack?"

I mean I only had a boy, a woman who never had brothers and I so admired my son's spirit and rebelliousness. Man I loved his young spirit.

I was a good "girl" like you describe above. Until I hit high school. But my son, he was ALWAYS on it.

The system hates that.

Valerie, I am so sorry, I did not know that you had lost your son, my heart does go out to you.. I suppose that is something that causes you pain daily... Much Love from another mother who ALMOST lost their son, and couldn't imagine if that had been the end result... It is not supposed to happen that way EVER

[Denise/Dizi]

I feel the products of mkultra and it's presence has warped society's gender personality. They have feminized men, made women more masculine, transexualized and homosexualized straight people and social engineered it all into the satanic concoction it is today. I have been witness to the feminizing of males first hand (with myself). I am recovering to this day. It seems like as a society we have lost some of the important gender roles since the 1950s. We have lost some of our important identity as men and women. My own disposition is complicated. I disagree with a patriarch dominated society, disagree with female stereotypes of a woman needing to cook and clean, but also agree with classic male and female values like femininity and masculinity and the synergy of the two.

That's a heavy claim.

As someone not familiar with this, could you please point me towards the evidence?

And is this a conspiracy, a conclusion, or a hypothesis?

*To qualify, I'm a queer man.


I hope that you do not mind me asking Hermit, but do you think there may be some relationship to something outside of your self and your gender selection manifestations? I mean.. I do not believe that there is a correlation to choice, and being "Queer". I think it is merely something that everyone is either born with or not, and that is just the way it is. no bashing needed, we're all unique. Perhaps humans once interacted with androgenous species and this is a remnant artifact of our evolution.. And I hope that you do not face any type of hatred for openly sharing as much with us, this is a safe place to be you...

I DO however believe that there is a sect of homosexual people on this planet that wish not to divulge their truth openly, and as a result they DO groom others to become that way whether they know it or not. Merely to broaden their choices of mates to play with.. And THAT is WRONG. If you're born with a predominent sense that this is who you are, that's one thing, but to be TURNED into someone who otherwise would be a healthy heterosexual... Is something that is very very disturbing. And not because homosexuality is wrong, but altering someone, whether knowingly or not.. IS wrong.

I have my own opinions about what is happening, and will write a separate post about the "Feminizing of the male".. I think it is far more complicated than people believe, yet there are other things at play that I believe we are unaware of. Or possibly just don't add into the equation.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I DO however believe that there is a sect of homosexual people on this planet that wish not to divulge their truth openly, and as a result they DO groom others to become that way whether they know it or not.

I think what you're referring to is probably mostly unconscious behavior and often stems from childhood abuse. The data is out there, though I don't have it on hand, that people who are abused as children end up having all kinds of issues later in life. A hundred years after Freud, it's almost a cliche at this point, but I think it is very true. Even people who are raised in a healthy way have problems to deal with. Everyone does. But growing up with abuse adds a whole new dimension to these problems.

I don't think this is the only thing going on, however.

Overload a man with arsenic or cyanide, and he will die.

Overload a man with LSD, and he will trip balls.

Overload a man with estrogen analogues, and... what do you think happens? Aside from increased rates of literal cancer, which is nature's way of handling it.

[TargeT]

I love the deconstruction... so on point....

E-girls... this is where we have come to....
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[Strat]

But this erosion of masculinity has now gotten way out of hand, in my view...what with young teens getting irreversible sex change surgeries and so on. It's gone from a mere trend to warping the collective psyche of our youth.

Agreed 100% however i think there will be a point of diminishing returns if you know what i mean.

One thing I've found interesting about the whole PC era is it made me more prejudice. I think its cause seemingly, out of nowhere, straight white males are the bane of all existence. We already were but now just were especially awful racist sexists. I don't debate this stuff anymore, if someone determines me to be ____ist then fine, I dont care.

[DNA]

Dr. John Coleman said way back in 1992 that the plan of the elite is to destroy the United States via a liberal movement and liberal politics via their research at the Tavostock University. I'm of the opinion that what we see playing out today is evidence of this.

[greybeard]

Women are being fed a line via the feminist movement.

I open doors for women out of respect--im not stupid ot patronising--I know they are perfectly capable of man-aging their life without me after all we would not be here if it was not for a mother.
So opportunities for males to respect and be strong for females are being removed.

My friend 81 years of age said to her post man when shesaw him in the supermarket.
"I didnt recognise you without your shorts.
He wears them when doing deliveries.
she said to me that they both laughed when sherealized what she had said.
Also told me that if a male had said that to a woman there would have been outrage.
Its not an equal world in this type of situation.
Who said it should be?
Respect respect is so important

Chris

[greybeard]

Divide and conquer is a famous expression.
That seems to me what is behind media promotion of the feminist movement.
Who owns the media?

When you start to break the natural bond between women and men then you are weakening that relationship.
Men need the support of a strong and wise woman.
The power behind the throne.
When that support is there, men will rise to the occasion and become a good provider for wife and family.
Oh yes there are exceptions to every rule.
We can all quote where men have overstepped the mark and become absolute Bs.
Similarly where women have been bitches not only to men but other women.
Thats the minority that media likes to "expose"
The news papers TV programs are full of it.
Shock horror outrage--that's what controls the populous, stir up the emotions ---take sides is the call.
That is the tool of separation.
Divide and conquer.
Chris

[TargeT]

Men are also getting weird visa vie lack of confidence etc... no real structure to society anymore (aside from guilt and fear)....

Everyone suffers it seems

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[edina]

TargeT, I want to thank you for opening this discussion here on the forum.

Strong men need strong women. And strong women need strong men.

Both are necessary for a healthy culture and society, especially for the children.

I came across this thread a few days ago and subscribed, thinking I may contribute to the conversation at some point.

I've been concerned about this issue since the 80's. And was happy to see Tucker Carlson do a series on it.

Here's a video that came across my In Box this morning, a turnaround on the phrase Toxic masculinity, to TONIC masculinity.

I for one, appreciate men. And celebrate their strength.

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[greybeard]

A similar thread at least in part.
When men were men & women were feminine

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103734-When-men-were-men-women-were-feminine&p=1239437&viewfull=1#post1239437

[TargeT]

MCU not for white males anymore?

This has been an interesting ****show...

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[AutumnW]

Watch Netflix new,"Dating Around." From that show alone, you can see that women are the new men. Women would never put up with the boorish, bragging, loud mouthed self centeredness from men, that is now common for women to engage in. And it seems to be younger women...and...many exceptions. This is just a generality.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Watch Netflix new,"Dating Around." From that show alone, you can see that women are the new men. Women would never put up with the boorish, bragging, loud mouthed self centeredness from men, that is now common for women to engage in. And it seems to be younger women...and...many exceptions. This is just a generality.

And people wonder why Western men like foreign women so much. :P

[TargeT]

Hmm, courage, competency, responsibility & logic.

an interesting veiled clash of identity politics and masculine logic.

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and a bit more to the point of gender politics:
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[TargeT]

great discussion about the need for a "whole" family... mother AND father.

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I grew up with a single mother & did not get the "full" masculine influence until the military.


I'm sure that affected me.

[Strat]

I grew up with a single mother & did not get the "full" masculine influence until the military.


I'm sure that affected me.

Surely the data is out there, but it'd be neat to see a study on how growing up in a fatherless household affects boys and girls. Do all the kids grow up and develop similar behaviors? This is an issue in high crime areas but they're definitely not mutually inclusive (meaning a fatherless household doesn't immediately mean the kid will grow up to be trouble). Also, what's worse; growing up never knowing your father or growing up till you're 8ish then your parents split up? You ever listen to Tommy Sotomayor?

From someone who did grow up w/ both parents I gotta say the whole 'masculinity' thing just comes naturally from the father figure and therefore you never physically think about ones own masculinity. I guess for fatherless households it's kinda the same way blacks think of their color every day or gays with sexuality. I just never thought about masculinity, never was an issue.

How do you describe the 'full masculine influence?'

[TargeT]

Interesting to see how what I think I recognize ( tell me how I'm wrong btw...) as the pinnacle of male masculinity acts with women......

The decline of what?
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[TargeT]

And yet.... sparks of hope exist

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btw, if you don't feel moved or tear up at this, your a robot.... holy ****.... I can't believe this is still happening.

[Constance]

And yet.... sparks of hope exist

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btw, if you don't feel moved or tear up at this, your a robot.... holy ****.... I can't believe this is still happening.

Thanks for sharing this TargeT :flower:

[TargeT]

Thanks for sharing this TargeT :flower:

There are so many distractions and so much polarization... "divide and conquer" is an exceedingly effective tactic it seems.

[TargeT]

I wish I wasn't the one to say this.....(the pendulum always swings back... we are where we are)


Welcome to what has been missing:
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haha, masculine energy almost feels inherently wrong in society today.... how f********* is that?

hope this provoked something.... comfort is evil

[Cara]

There are so many issues highlighted by this one story: autism, pharmaceuticals, feminisation of males. It’s very disturbing.


Johnson & Johnson ordered to pay man $8 BILLION over drug causing him to grow breasts
9 Oct, 2019 08:24 / Updated 19 hours ago
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2019.10/xxs/5d9d986120302769506c62b0.JPG

A Philadelphia jury on Tuesday said that Johnson & Johnson (J&J) must pay $8 billion in punitive damages to a man over his claims that a drug manufactured by the US firm caused him to grow breasts.

The verdict in favor of Nicholas Murray, 26, came first in one of thousands of Risperdal cases pending in Pennsylvania.

Murray, like other male plaintiffs in the mass tort litigation over Risperdal, alleges that he developed breasts after being prescribed the medicine and taking it from 2003 to 2008. A psychologist prescribed the drug after diagnosing him with autism spectrum disorder. In late 1993, the drug was approved by the Food and Drug Administration for treating schizophrenia and episodes of bipolar mania in adults.

Four years ago, a jury awarded Murray $1.75 million after finding that J&J was negligent in failing to warn consumers of the risks. A state appeals court upheld the verdict last year, but reduced it to $680,000.

“This jury, as have other juries in other litigations, once again imposed punitive damages on a corporation that valued profits over safety and profits over patients,” Murray’s lawyers, Tom Kline and Jason Itkin, said. “Johnson & Johnson and [subsidiary] Janssen chose billions over children,” they said.

J&J said the award was “grossly disproportionate with the initial compensatory award in this case, and the company is confident it will be overturned.” It added that the jury in the case had not been allowed to hear evidence of Risperdal’s benefits.

Plaintiffs claim that Johnson & Johnson failed to warn of the risk of gynecomastia (the development of enlarged breasts in males) associated with Risperdal, which they say J&J marketed for unapproved use with children.

Plaintiffs in the mass tort litigation had been barred from seeking punitive damages since 2014, when a state court judge ruled that the law of New Jersey (which prohibits punitive damages and is J&J’s home state) should be applied globally to the cases.

In 2018, a Pennsylvania Superior Court ruling cleared the way for punitive damages awards, holding that the law of each plaintiff’s state should instead apply.
From: https://www.rt.com/business/470502-billions-payment-male-breast-growth/

[shaberon]

That's got a pretty deep legal argument: New Jersey, Johnson & Johnson's "home", prohibits punitive damages. It took four years for another judge to decide that plaintiffs' home state laws should apply to the cases. Companies of course love to dodge taxes and laws by opening an office, or even a post office box, somewhere. Since this company is rather old, presumably they had a hand in crafting such a favorable shelter.

Giving some kind of FDA-approved schizophrenia drug to a guy who was about eleven at the time is not something that really needs to happen. In America, you can sell anything that's not "proven unsafe", whereas in Europe, you generally cannot sell anything unless it is "proven safe". No number of thousands of lab rats can tell us much about what some complex molecule will do to a human.

General information about Risperidal on Wiki says: "Common side effects include movement problems, sleepiness, dizziness, trouble seeing, constipation, and increased weight. Serious side effects may include the potentially permanent movement disorder tardive dyskinesia, as well as neuroleptic malignant syndrome, an increased risk of suicide, and high blood sugar levels. In older people with psychosis as a result of dementia, it may increase the risk of dying. It is unknown if it is safe for use in pregnancy. Its mechanism of action is not entirely clear..."

No one knows what it does, other than kill the old, make you feel suicidal, or commonly make it difficult to move. That is what is approved.