Chinagate---1996?

[Foxie Loxie]

Just wondering if it is really true that China was granted Eminent Domain here in the U.S. as a collateral for U.S debts?

Is it true that China already owns California & Hawaii & can move in & take possession of property? It appears they bought land in Texas as well.

It seems that our country has been sold right out from under us!! :facepalm: This information came from a lady by the name of Cindy Garay.

:help:

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Some of the uranium that the Obama administration sold to Russia in the Uranium One scandal came from the ranches out west such as the Bundy Ranch, which successfully defended itself after an armed stand-off with police and federal law enforcement.

So I have little doubt that this is exactly what has been going on. A sell of not only land but the rights to valuable natural resources, to whichever country is the highest bidder. That's what it's like to carve up and sell off the US in pieces just like these Satanists carve up their ritual sacrifice victims. They are nothing but parasites and vultures of the worst kind.

[norman]

Just wondering if it is really true that China was granted Eminent Domain here in the U.S. as a collateral for U.S debts?

Is it true that China already owns California & Hawaii & can move in & take possession of property? It appears they bought land in Texas as well.

It seems that our country has been sold right out from under us!! :facepalm: This information came from a lady by the name of Cindy Garay.

:help:


I don't really know for sure but I've heard a lot of talk claiming that to be so.


When I really get my head inside the corporate globalisation bubble I do see something like that as kind of obviously fitting the rest of the dots.


I'm slowly coming around to the idea that the globalisation model that's been in the plans for decades, if not centuries, has been abandoned ( due to a cockup over Russian neutralisation - they failed to do it ).


That's the second time Russia has scuppered their plans in 220 years.


The Chinese top brass must be quite confused right now.

[bobme]

I do not see any contracts with other countys as being legally constitutional.

only the individual of yourself can do that.

so no, not going to happen.

[Satori]

I feel confident saying that China has not acquired any land in the USA by way of Eminant Domain. Right or wrong, ED (taking real property (land)), is available to the sovereign over its subjects, citizens and the like. The USA is not a subject of China and China is not sovereign over the USA. Nor is the USA sovereign over China. Rather, they are separate sovereigns and stand as theoretical equals in international law.

However, it is common knowledge that China is a creditor to the USA, which is in substantial debt to China. As a creditor China has collateral for this debt. I would not be the Least bit surprised if China is acquiring, and has already acquired, vast amounts of both real property in the USA (and personal property too) by taking action to secure its collateral after defaults by the USA, or anticipated defaults due to insolvency.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I do not see any contracts with other countys as being legally constitutional.

only the individual of yourself can do that.

The US Constitution does provide for foreign treaties, but they have to follow a certain protocol that the usual suspects find plenty of ways to circumvent.

TPP would have set up an independent, international, corporate jurisdiction for international trade arbitration. Totally illegal and unconstitutional... but that was on the table! This is the deal that Hillary called the "gold standard" of trade deals.


I feel confident saying that China has not acquired any land in the USA by way of Eminent Domain. Right or wrong, ED (taking real property (land)), is available to the sovereign over its subjects, citizens and the like.

This is an issue that my state has struggled with for decades. Property rights are virtually sacred here. People own their own land, and they like to feel entitled to do as they please on it, and rightfully so.

So when any government authority shows up and tries to claim rights to the land for some public project, hell is often raised. First they try to pay for the land, but if push comes to shove, the state has often seized land forcefully and just thrown some change at the owner, and as infuriating as it is, we've had to deal with it for decades.

The Interstate system is one example. And then all the ranches out west, like the Bundy Ranch I mentioned, are more or less the same thing. The federal government might claim various reasons for having the authority to take the land, but they never really have any right to seize a private individual's personal property, which they are literally entitled to free and clear.

At the same time, our Interstate system is a modern marvel and something that has measurably increased GDP and the quality of life for everyone (except maybe the property owners whose land rights were abused). So it's a complicated situation.

[ramus]

The US Debt to China

By Kimberly Amadeo
Updated July 20, 2018

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355

The U.S. debt to China is $1.18 trillion as of May 2018. That's 19 percent of the $6.2 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $21 trillion national debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.

China holds more of the U.S. debt than the $1.05 trillion held by Japan. China increased its holdings from $1.05 trillion in January 2017. During that same period, Japan decreased its holdings from $1.10 trillion.

So as you can see we owe less than 1/15th of our gross domestic product ,which is 18.57 trillion dollars. Our indebtedness to China is SMALL .. no way could they have control over our lands .................

I call fear porn on this one.... we were more in debt to Japan, percentage wise, decades ago then we are now to China.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, ramus....I DO hope it is only fear porn. But those fires in Cal. still seem really weird, as if they are trying to get people moved off the land. :flame:

[ramus]

That could very well our own country men, with greed as there God or the banks themselves. We don't have to look far to find for predators. I say homegrown .

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Chinese investors are inflating housing markets in the US, Canada, and Australia

Chinese investors will put $1.5 trillion into assets abroad over the next decade.
About half of that will likely go into foreign property, often in the US, Canada and Australia.
Home prices have soared under foreign buying pressure, and politicians are finally admitting it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-investors-inflating-housing-markets-in-us-canada-australia-2018-6


Note: I recall in the 80's when the Japanese were buying up many of our resorts, theme parks, etc. There was a lot of concern about that in California

I don't know if still own them or if they had to let them go when they ran into their financial crisis in the mid-90's.

[ramus]

If i remember right Japan lost a lot of money here in the U.S., that seems to our way of getting are debts payed back. They bought property in New York and lost big, they bought Pebble Beach golf course for a billion dollars, sold it for 200 million a few years later. I appears China is the next target, my money is on Wall Street, no better crooks in the world. China beware.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Thanks, ramus....I DO hope it is only fear porn. But those fires in Cal. still seem really weird, as if they are trying to get people moved off the land. :flame:

Yes, getting people to move off the land, but probably not for the land, but what's under it - valuable minerals. Remember the poor Bundy's. Think Uranium One scandal, that congress and Mueller pussyfooted around. Nothing to see here folks. Selling uranium to Russia, no big deal. But Stormy Daniels - HUGE


From Ramus: my money is on Wall Street, no better crooks in the world. China beware.

Ramus, you hit the nail on the head. From my pov, does it matter, wall street, china, japan? either way, we 98% get scr*wed.

[Satori]

I do not see any contracts with other countys as being legally constitutional.

only the individual of yourself can do that.

The US Constitution does provide for foreign treaties, but they have to follow a certain protocol that the usual suspects find plenty of ways to circumvent.

TPP would have set up an independent, international, corporate jurisdiction for international trade arbitration. Totally illegal and unconstitutional... but that was on the table! This is the deal that Hillary called the "gold standard" of trade deals.


I feel confident saying that China has not acquired any land in the USA by way of Eminent Domain. Right or wrong, ED (taking real property (land)), is available to the sovereign over its subjects, citizens and the like.

This is an issue that my state has struggled with for decades. Property rights are virtually sacred here. People own their own land, and they like to feel entitled to do as they please on it, and rightfully so.

So when any government authority shows up and tries to claim rights to the land for some public project, hell is often raised. First they try to pay for the land, but if push comes to shove, the state has often seized land forcefully and just thrown some change at the owner, and as infuriating as it is, we've had to deal with it for decades.

The Interstate system is one example. And then all the ranches out west, like the Bundy Ranch I mentioned, are more or less the same thing. The federal government might claim various reasons for having the authority to take the land, but they never really have any right to seize a private individual's personal property, which they are literally entitled to free and clear.

At the same time, our Interstate system is a modern marvel and something that has measurably increased GDP and the quality of life for everyone (except maybe the property owners whose land rights were abused). So it's a complicated situation.

In the USA "just compensation" must be paid for any taking of real property by the state or federal government. The dispute is always over whether the compensation is "just" and oftentimes there is a dispute over the taking. The private property owner almost invariably losses the taking argument, but sometimes wins the "just compensation" argument. That is, the land is taken, but they get more money than what was offered by the government.

A problem that is emerging is a trend of courts towards allowing private corporations to take private land because the intended use of the land after the taking has some remote public use. That's BS.

Also, what is "just" about taking appreciating land in exchange for "compensation," so-called, consisting of depreciating fiat, legal tender?

[Michelle Marie]

China Owns California and that's Why the Fires are Happening
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"U.S. Gives China Eminent Domain Over U.S. Property: Beyond High Treason"
A. True Ott, PhD, MD

This is done between Clintons and China.
It's the highest possible treason.

~~~In the 1950s China takes over much of the pharmaceutical drug manufacturing.
(An outgrowth of Rothschilds Opium Ring Processing by British West Indies--brokered by City of London & Washington, D.C.)

~~~Satanist Henry Kissinger normalizes trade with China during the Nixon years

~~~LDS Mormon church President Gordan B. Hinckley (PolynesianCultural Center in Hawaii) establishes "hard currency" pipeline with Bejing..."trade credits" for CIA/MI6 Drug Services rendered for Gold & Silver.

~~~Bill Clinton and Sam Walton (Wal-Mart/Sam's Club) both natives from Arkansas increase contracts with China by 2,000% resulting in enormous imbalance of trade with China.

***China amasses real wealth of gold and silver because of the Mormon "special economic zone"

~~~China purchases TRILLIONS of dollars worth of U.S. Treasury bills and bonds using their gold and silver.

~~~weaponized flu virus from Ft. Dedrick, MD/uS Institute of Pathology--
****1918 pandemic killed millions****
Killer virus used as covert weapon to create pandemics

~~~U.N. (2005) Announces the world is over-due for a "influenza pandemic"

~~~December (2005) speech to Chinese Military that expansion to Canada, U.S., and Australia is inevitable, but must be cleared with pandemic first.

~~~March (2008) secret meeting with U.S. House and Senate who swear an oath of secrecy. Agents of the Club of Rome inform them that the economic collapse will begin in 2008. Detention camps prepared for civil "agitators".

~~~China (2008) starts dumping treasury bills.; stop buying gas and oil futures.

~~~October (2008) economic collapse-rush to liquidity. Housing loans constricted.

~~~Bank bailouts.

~~~Obama sends Hillary Clinton on mission to China. Write HR 45--gun grab.
------>>>State leaders who understand what Obama-CIinton agenda with China is about are seeking legal "Sovereignty" to prevent loss of property to a foreign power.<<<-------

~~~"China agrees to continue investing in U.S. Treasury bills only after securing the right of 'Eminent Domain' to physically repossess American PRIVATE PROPERTY.

This move is equivalent of an unconditional surrender after a bloody war."

*****"This also gives Chinese military the LEGAL RIGHT to use biological weaponry to 'Clean up America all at once'. It gives them the legal right to use deadly force in removing trespassing Americans from occupying Chinese real estate."*********

The agreement from the U.S. to give China the right to exercise eminent domain was brought to Bejing by Hillary Clinton.

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Eminent domain is the power of government to TAKE private property for public use without the consent of the property owner.

Under the Constitution, the government must provide "just compensation".

"We're taking Hawaii and California in lieu of this bad debt."

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"Lest We Forget Chinagate, the Most Serious Scandal in U.S. History"
http://www.independentsentinel.com/lest-we-forget-hillarys-china-gate-scandal/

MM :hat:

[Cardillac]

Hi @Foxie

all I can say to this is: in the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio (my old born/stomping ground before I moved to Europe) according to my step-brothers there are many, ever increasing signs everywhere (mostly at stores) that are definitely Asian script (duh-uhh!) along with English- I think we can assume it's Chinese-

this has not yet occured in Europe-

many regards Foxie and all readers-

Larry

[norman]

So, how much did they value California at ?


Is this why the state is SO corrupt and already nearly communist?


It makes me chuckle to think of people like Jimmy Church as Chinese communists. I feel sorry for Ba-ba-ra though.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

So, how much did they value California at ?

Is this why the state is SO corrupt and already nearly communist?

California has lots of uncomfortable connections to communist China, and it's been getting worse.


This Chinese Billionaire Has His Sights Set on Buying Hollywood

Dick Clark Productions isn’t exactly a household name. Most people probably don’t even notice when it scrolls across the screen at the end of the Golden Globes telecast or some other awards show. But a Chinese billionaire just agreed to buy it for about $1 billion—and that’s just the beginning.

The company’s new owner is Wang Jianlin, a 62-year-old former People’s Liberation Army commander turned real estate developer. He is one of China’s richest men, with a net worth estimated at $32 billion.

Wang controls the Dalian Wanda Group, and already owns a few U.S. entertainment interests, including the AMC movie theater chain, which he acquired in 2012 for $2.6 billion. That company has since agreed to buy competitor Carmike Cinemas for $1.4 billion, which will make Wanda the largest theater owner in the world.

In January, the Wanda Group paid $3.5 billion in cash for Legendary Entertainment, the movie studio that has either produced or co-financed films such as Pacific Rim and The Dark Knight.

Wanda—which had revenues last year of $39 billion—owns 134 shopping malls, 82 luxury hotels, 213 movie theaters, 99 department stores, and 54 karaoke centers around China. Last year, it acquired the company that stages Ironman Triathlons for almost $1 billion in cash and debt.

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When Legendary Entertainment was being merged with one of Wanda’s public holding companies in China, it became obvious just how much Wang wants to own Hollywood assets. According to a regulatory filing, he paid $3.5 billion despite the fact that it lost $550 million last year—more than it generated in revenue.

Industry sources say Wang also paid a premium for Dick Clark Productions, in part because of its control over U.S. shows like the Golden Globes and the Miss America pageant. The billionaire has reportedly assured the Hollywood Foreign Press Association—the body that chooses the Golden Globe winners—that he has no intention of interfering in the award process.

http://fortune.com/2016/11/04/china-billionaire-hollywood/

[ramus]

Well with all these historical statements here we are still.

~~~China purchases TRILLIONS of dollars worth of U.S. Treasury bills and bonds using their gold and silver......... as stated before they have 1.8 trillion of our bonds that's 1/15 of are GDP that's no leverage at all .

This whole thing started from a article in 2009 right after the housing crash : The question should be what has happened since then? We are still here,THIS IS FEAR PORN VERY OLD FEAR PORN and not very good fear porn at that, each statement in the article has partial truths in it, time has already prove this wrong. It's 2018 and we are on the second year of a economic boom and we're imposing tariffs on China. Where are they claiming property for our debt. I would worry more about the poor bastards in the caves in the Ozarks waiting for Nibiru before this.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ottchinaeminentdomain27feb09.shtml

I don't have this web site at the same level as .. Sorcha Faal .. but it's in the same ball park.

Here is the disclaimer at the bottom of Educate-Yourself :

All information posted on this web site is the ~opinion~ of the author
and is provided for educational purposes only.

It is not to be construed as medical advice. Only a licensed medical doctor can legally offer medical advice in the United States. Consult the healer of your choice for medical care and advice.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

So, how much did they value California at ?


Is this why the state is SO corrupt and already nearly communist?


It makes me chuckle to think of people like Jimmy Church as Chinese communists. I feel sorry for Ba-ba-ra though.



Thanks Norman. I'll take all the sympathy I can get. . . .and prayers help too.

I can see why China would want California since were the 5th largest economy on this planet, and since the largest population is in SoCal, which is beyond corrupt due to Hollywood, it would be easy to take them over since their addiction to money, drugs and sex seems to override anything else.

OTOH, in NorCal where I live is where most of the gold was discovered and it's always been said that the MotherLode was never found. Yipes! send more sympathy and prayers.

[Michelle Marie]

Well with all these historical statements here we are still.

~~~China purchases TRILLIONS of dollars worth of U.S. Treasury bills and bonds using their gold and silver......... as stated before they have 1.8 trillion of our bonds that's 1/15 of are GDP that's no leverage at all .

This whole thing started from a article in 2009 right after the housing crash : The question should be what has happened since then? We are still here,THIS IS FEAR PORN VERY OLD FEAR PORN and not very good fear porn at that, each statement in the article has partial truths in it, time has already prove this wrong. It's 2018 and we are on the second year of a economic boom and we're imposing tariffs on China. Where are they claiming property for our debt. I would worry more about the poor bastards in the caves in the Ozarks waiting for Nibiru before this.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ottchinaeminentdomain27feb09.shtml

I don't have this web site at the same level as .. Sorcha Faal .. but it's in the same ball park.

Here is the disclaimer at the bottom of Educate-Yourself :

All information posted on this web site is the ~opinion~ of the author
and is provided for educational purposes only.

It is not to be construed as medical advice. Only a licensed medical doctor can legally offer medical advice in the United States. Consult the healer of your choice for medical care and advice.

Take this in context with other things you know. I have other sources of information, too, and there is something going on with China. I would have to search for it, and I don't have time right now, but I posted a list of names and connections.

You can label it fear porn and dismiss it if you like, but that is your mental processing.

I would neither confirm it nor dismiss it, but I will keep an open mind. There are other sources and bits of information that may tie in with this, such as Hillary's email server and allowing access to it.

Time will tell.

MM