The strangeness of the California Fires

[James Newell]

Here is a very interesting link written by Joseph P Farrell.

In a nutshell there is Strong evidence of microwave weapons or Lasars or ? etc that is causing these fires in California.

The questions to be initially asked are Who would do such a thing and why.

I can make a easy stab of to crash the area and get the land cheap or is it that Northern California has on their ballot to separate into a new state. Or is it a prelim to an invasion from a foreign power. These are just speculations.

Definitely watch the video links of the amazing lady who has superior powers of observation.

http://www.theeventchronicle.com/study/the-strangeness-of-the-california-fires/

[Valerie Villars]

I think it's the first reason. I've done a fair amount of learning about them and there is something very wrong on a number of levels. There are one or two threads that touch on the issue.

I can't link right now because I don't have access to my mouse, but I'm sure others would be so kind.

[Ivanhoe]

The "extreme" weatherman in the second video is actually what he says he is, i.e., he is a university sponsored (I believe OSU) tornado chaser from the midwest (Oklahoma, Iowa, Nebraska, N. Texas) specializing in forecasting extreme conditions that foretell an approaching supercell that has the capability of producing E4 and E5 tornadoes.
There is a program running on Ion tv that chronicles him and several other storm chasers (called "Storm Chasers") as they record storm data gathered from these massive storms.

But the lady's thoughts about the conductivity of the metal is very compelling, so I definitely think it's a possibility.

Correction: Quest TV, not Ion, sorry for the mix-up.

[Cardillac]

yes, @James, I think Farrell is quite right in his assessments- he almost never seems to be wrong in his assessments- he's an amazing researcher who has yet experienced no verbal back-lash whatsoever into his insights- even in the alternative media- he's obviously completely unknown in the MSM (wonder of wonders) but even in the alternative media I've never ever, ever read one report that challenges him; not one-

and that says a lot-

Larry

[James Newell]

Yes I believe he is on post being an "Extreme Weatherman", but the lady in the video is absolutely correct as she pointed out in the video. Fire is NOT part of weather per definition:
Weather Noun: The atmospheric conditions that comprise the state of the atmosphere in terms of temperature and wind and clouds and precipitation.

I think she is right he is part of the psy op on this fire 'weather' campaign. He glibly shows the burnt post and sign on the ground as small trees around the sign are completely undamaged without one mention of this oddity. Although it is quite possible this is to get low level identification logic on fire=global warming=weather.

[Valerie Villars]

I happened to be skim reading John Keel's "Operation Trojan Horse" and came upon the following:


Although I have had neither the means nor the time to study adequately
and confirm this fire factor, my experiences in flap areas have led
me to believe that the energies of these mysterious conflagrations are being utilized by the UFO phenomenon. There may be a definite relationship
between the numbers of fires and the numbers of UFOs seen in a specific sector. A community suddenly beset with fifteen or twenty major
fires within the short span of a week or two seems to produce more UFO
sightings in that same period than a place with no fires. Either the UFOs
are somehow indirectly causing these fires, or they are directly feasting upon the energies produced by the flames.

It's an interesting angle.

[Sunny-side-up]

I happened to be skim reading John Keel's "Operation Trojan Horse" and came upon the following:


Although I have had neither the means nor the time to study adequately
and confirm this fire factor, my experiences in flap areas have led
me to believe that the energies of these mysterious conflagrations are being utilized by the UFO phenomenon. There may be a definite relationship
between the numbers of fires and the numbers of UFOs seen in a specific sector. A community suddenly beset with fifteen or twenty major
fires within the short span of a week or two seems to produce more UFO
sightings in that same period than a place with no fires. Either the UFOs
are somehow indirectly causing these fires, or they are directly feasting upon the energies produced by the flames.

It's an interesting angle.


A community suddenly beset with fifteen or twenty major
fires within the short span of a week or two seems to produce more UFO
sightings in that same period than a place with no fires. Either the UFOs
are somehow indirectly causing these fires, or they are directly feasting upon the energies produced by the flames.

just my quick thoughts:
Or the UFO's are being forced out into view by exotic energies that are causing the fires (Maybe the reason for such energies)

[Valerie Villars]

Sunny, I wouldn't disagree with that, as my own experience verified that somehow certain energy fields (the state I was in) bring on experiences. So, fire and and/or the energies utilized to bring them on, may open some doorways.

[petra]

I was up at sunrise a few weeks ago, and that's not really a habit of mine.
The sun which greeted me was NOT the sun I was used to! It looked unreal, and this is certainly because of the California fires.

[James Newell]

Ufo's or energy space based weapons, terrestrial or extraterrestrial. First the drought of many years and now the fires, California is still a prized piece of property. Interesting times we are living in...

[Michelle Marie]

Sept. 5 Update:

California fire in Shasta County, closing I-5. Explodes to 2,000 acres.

Calling in help from Siskiyou County.

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It's just north of Redding. Fire evacuations underway.
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/delta-fire-evacuations-underway-i-5-shut-down-in-shasta-county/103-591280313
This report says it has burned 5,000 acres.

Oh, dear. Evacuation warnings for Dunsmuir...right next door to Mt. Shasta.

MM

[onawah]

Burning Up NorCal for the Great Redwood Railway Trail Line ~ Boots and Delta Fires
aplanetruth.info
Published on Sep 9, 2018
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[James Newell]

Its an interesting angle that this guy is pointing out re the proposed train line. Purposeful fires for the new train line?
And no fuel to ignite( since much was burnt already) yet it is starts up spontaneously right near the freeway.
I'm glad I left that state, but I still think Calif deserves much better.

It seems an investigation needs to be started high up(no pun intended) maybe from "Space command"!With the first question: What kind of weapons are being deployed that can do these things? 2nd Q Who is doing it? 3rd Q For what purpose?

[onawah]

I would check out StopTheCrime.net
https://www.youtube.com/user/NewStopTheCrime
....for answers to those questions. Deborah Traveras is coming up with some good explanations.

Its an interesting angle that this guy is pointing out re the proposed train line. Purposeful fires for the new train line?
And no fuel to ignite( since much was burnt already) yet it is starts up spontaneously right near the freeway.
I'm glad I left that state, but I still think Calif deserves much better.

It seems an investigation needs to be started high up(no pun intended) maybe from "Space command"!With the first question: What kind of weapons are being deployed that can do these things? 2nd Q Who is doing it? 3rd Q For what purpose?

[James Newell]

Ok I will check it out.
Also strange stuff from the other side of country, this is a satellite gif of the storms preceding this hurricane that is coming in.
http://synoptic.envsci.rutgers.edu/site/radimg/anim_serc.gif

Half the damn country is in a spontaneous storm/

[Foxie Loxie]

It would be interesting to know the locations of all the cloud producing apparatus; seems I've heard there are some out to sea as well.

Interesting things that have been "planned" for what I would call, IMHO, "The Taking Down of America"! Either it true, or it's not true about all the advanced weather tech available.

I wonder exactly WHO is in control of the weather? It would be nice to think it was all "natural" occurances...but what if it's not? The strange fires have been going on around the world, not just in CA...

[waves]

This is a reasonably good channel with old school type live reporting dedicated to the Southern Cal fires with no commercials and no relentless robotic script reading of how this is the 'new normal' by some sold out, vacant eyed anchor.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/11/09/woolsey-fire-75k-homes-evacuated/

Adding another with similar live reporting.... seems like these channels are on and off....
https://ktla.com/on-air/live-streaming/


ADDED: Well..... it was good live reporting last night, not so much at day break.

[Bob]

The current fire map for the Paradise/Chico area - it has spread and continues to spread. Winds need to stop, rain if it is possible is needed..


https://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-08-at-8.16.24-PM.jpg

https://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/SatPhoto_CampFire_457pm_Nov8-2018.jpg

https://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/paradise-fire-aftermath.jpg?w=832

Camp Fire: 9 people now reported dead - 35 are missing. 90,000 acres have now been involved in the fire. 6,453 residential structures are destroyed. 260 commercial structures are destroyed.

There is a total of 6,713 structures destroyed.

Over west, by Malibu south and east, 250K people now have evacuated. This is a potential disaster.

A miracle or three is needed.. :heart:

[Bo Atkinson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjIr08KtTT4

Most of this video shows satellite video... Are these unexplained CA Fire Signatures from satellite imagery? Aerial signature interpretation has always fascinated me. Satellite imagery was said to be collected before other processing was done to it, (in other words). Does anyone have direct links which anyone can watch, anytime 24/7? me, even without direct access.

[onawah]

See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98526-Dutchsinse-s-Earthquake-Reports-and-Forecasts&p=1258980&viewfull=1#post1258980 31 minutes into the video, Dutch explains how all the recent fires started right next to new volcanic activity (often triggered by fracking and drilling), including underground "explosions". Not to discount any other theories, but his analysis should definitely be taken into consideration.
I also recommend watching a couple more of the recent reports in that thread, which show just how much drilling is going on on the West Coast--tens of thousands of drill points all over. You would have to be awfully dense not to realize what an effect that would have on areas where there are volcanoes and fault lines. And apparently the "experts" are that dense, though at least they can no longer deny there is a connection.

[Bo Atkinson]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1837200929888018/permalink/2209653469309427/

It would feel it is "as expected from volcanoes", if all the images did look like natural volcanic causes, except that there are also the cases of images which look more like artificial fingerprints. The first video did focus on some pixels which could plausibly look like volcanic pixels. Yet some imagery now coming into view otherwise looks like toasted cars, once again.

Are such pictures photoshopped or are these and countless other such videos unreal? Melted cars, incinerated homes, with shrubs and trees still intact. Hmmm. There have been so many such videos and photos posted, showing incredulous fingerprints, maybe a malevolent technology. The agendas never outdone, greed writing history, double speak, all like acts of warlike gods.

PS- somehow the image of this post won't come through, possibly copyrighted or some such, but it shows toasted homes.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2204170446495895&set=gm.2209653469309427&type=3&theater&ifg=1

[Wansen]

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[Bob]

High winds apparently have been responsible for the Fires.

Truly an act of God, and the California Power and Light company's power lines being the tool.

Excerpts below from a Mercury News report (https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/09/pge-power-lines-may-have-sparked-deadly-butte-county-wildfire-according-to-radio-transmissions/):

STATS

November 2018

Fire started near the Poe Dam early Thursday morning due to power lines issue

Paradise fire: 6,453 residential structures are destroyed.

Paradise fire: 260 commercial structures are destroyed. There is a total of 6,713 structures destroyed.


PG&E historic:
During last year’s Sonoma and Napa county fires, within the first 90 minutes of the fires’ origin, Sonoma County dispatchers sent fire crews to at least 10 different locations for PG&E downed wires and problems with the electrical system amid high winds.

This week, at about 6:33 a.m. Thursday morning, on the 8th of November, 2018, firefighters were dispatched to a vegetation fire “under the high tension power lines” across the Feather River from Poe Dam.

California Fire officials have pinpointed the fire’s origin, according to the radio transmissions monitored. The first firefighters arrived there at 6:43 a.m and noted the fire was being buttressed by 35 mph winds.

“We’ve got eyes on the vegetation fire.

"It’s going to be very difficult to access, Camp Creek Road is nearly inaccessible,” one firefighter told dispatch. “It is on the west side of the river underneath the transmission lines.”

As firefighters rushed to Poe Dam early Thursday morning, each truck acknowledged over the radio, “Copy, power lines down,” as part of safety protocol for firefighters.

The utility, which already has been criticized and sued in a number of other large and deadly fires across California, had announced two days earlier that it might shut down power to parts of Butte County amid forecasts of high wind and low humidity.

But it never did.

California Fire spokesman Scott McLean emphasized the cause is still under investigation but added that the probe would include “electrical equipment.”

PG&E disclosed in a Friday filing to the state Public Utilities Commission that it had detected an outage on a transmission line in Butte County, occurring about 15 minutes before the fire was first reported.

It said a subsequent aerial inspection detected damage to a transmission tower on that same transmission line a mile northeast of the town of Pulga “in the area of the Camp Fire.” That is the approximate location of Poe Dam.

PG&E faces billions in potential liability because of the role of its power equipment in other destructive wildfires, including those last year in the Wine Country.

At around 6:33 a.m. Thursday, firefighters received a call from Poe Dam that a vegetation fire started under the high tension power lines, above the Feather River. The caller reported downed power lines and firefighters first on scene found a 10-acre blaze nearing brush and timber not maintained by PG&E. The firefighters asked dispatch to evacuate the town of Pulga, immediately southwest of the dam.

Meanwhile, at 6:34 a.m. and about eight miles west, another fire crew was dispatched to a report of a tree branch taking down residential power lines in the neighboring town of Magalia.

During last year’s Sonoma and Napa county fires, within the first 90 minutes of the fires’ origin, Sonoma County dispatchers sent fire crews to at least 10 different locations for downed wires and problems with the electrical system amid high winds.

PG&E was supposed to shut down power due to high winds as a precaution, however they decided not to.


PG&E released a statement Thursday afternoon, almost nine hours after the Camp Fire first sparked, calling off the shut down “as weather conditions did not warrant this safety measure.”

“We want to thank our customers for their understanding and for their actions in preparation of a possible Public Safety Power Shutoff,” Pat Hogan, PG&E senior vice president of Electric Operations, said in the statement.”

We know how much our customers rely on electric service, and we will only consider temporarily turning off power in the interest of safety and as a last resort during extreme weather conditions to reduce the risk of wildfire.”

Apparently they didn't consider what that action of leaving the power on would do..


https://i1.wp.com/www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/PoeDam2.jpg

PG&E has been cited by the State of California and other agencies for safety violations. https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pg-and-e-corp

PG&E allowed 500,000 tree/vegetation violations to go unchecked. Trees and vegetation need to be removed from power-line right-of-ways.

If the tree branches touch the high tension power lines, there will be a fire.

Trees must be removed from the power-lines-right-of-way. Apparently PG&E doesn't remove all the trees in "cost savings". Nor do they shut down power for customer "convenience" even when conditions warrant safety should come first.

Also during high winds, power lines themselves can sway, and touch, or come down (break). The result is a fire. https://firejustice.com/pge-allowed-500000-violations-of-state-law-in-tree-trimming/

http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/General.aspx?id=1965 - more of the electrical citations issued

IF PG&E shut down power at the first sign of an issue, chances are this disaster would not be happening, in MULTIPLE locations in California. Chances are IF PG&E properly maintained the power-line-right-of way passage by remove ALL trees which may touch or bump into the power lines, this disaster would not be happening.

This appears to be gross negligence on PG&E's part, not a "terrorist" event.

[betoobig]

The current fire map for the Paradise/Chico area - it has spread and continues to spread. Winds need to stop, rain if it is possible is needed..


https://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-08-at-8.16.24-PM.jpg

https://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/SatPhoto_CampFire_457pm_Nov8-2018.jpg

https://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/paradise-fire-aftermath.jpg?w=832

Camp Fire: 9 people now reported dead - 35 are missing. 90,000 acres have now been involved in the fire. 6,453 residential structures are destroyed. 260 commercial structures are destroyed.

There is a total of 6,713 structures destroyed.

Over west, by Malibu south and east, 250K people now have evacuated. This is a potential disaster.

A miracle or three is needed.. :heart:

is it normal that there are green trees around the burned house????
Wishing every one to recover from this as fast as possible, specially our sister Sierra. Much love

[betoobig]

This is a terror attack, agenda 21.... the fire may be wils in nature but this ain´t wild. People be save ( Sierra huge hug for you and your beloved ones), much love.

[avid]

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Looks like there was an explosion which set this fire off. Powerlines now makes sense. Take no notice of dramatic video title, but watch the video to see detailed worldview images of the beginning of this dreadful event.

[Bill Ryan]

This is a terror attack, agenda 21...

No, this (the 'Camp Fire', that has destroyed the small town of Paradise) seems to have been caused by downed power transmission lines that fell on very dry vegetation.

The rest was the wind + the ever-present fire risk from the lack of rain. So dumb, and so, so unfortunate. :flower:

[Bill Ryan]

This is a terror attack, agenda 21...

No, this (the 'Camp Fire', that has destroyed the small town of Paradise) seems to have been caused by downed power transmission lines that fell on very dry vegetation.

The rest was the wind + the ever-present fire risk from the lack of rain. So dumb, and so, so unfortunate. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0708%20Flower.gif

A little more on this. There's a revealing update here. This is still being investigated, of course.


https://mercurynews.com/2018/11/09/pge-power-lines-may-have-sparked-deadly-butte-county-wildfire-according-to-radio-transmissions

PG&E power lines may have sparked deadly Camp Fire, according to radio transmissions
Company reported a transmission line outage about 15 minutes before the fire was reported
(read more here (https://mercurynews.com/2018/11/09/pge-power-lines-may-have-sparked-deadly-butte-county-wildfire-according-to-radio-transmissions))

Of course, the climate-change connection is that the entire area was already tinder-dry after months of almost no rain, and then high winds (which have been forecast to resume tonight CA time) did the rest.

This doesn't mean that the other fires were started the same way — of course. Just this one.

[waves]

This is a terror attack, agenda 21...

No, this (the 'Camp Fire', that has destroyed the small town of Paradise) seems to have been caused by a downed power transmission line.

The rest was the wind + the ever-present fire risk from the lack of rain. So very dumb, and so, so unfortunate. :flower:

WHAT. What happened to the moral pitfalls of 'believing without evidence'....?

Countless transformers have fallen on drought dry trees before in firefighting history. Any career CA firefighter will tell you things are happening regarding the behaviors and aftermath of these fires they've never seen before for which they have no explanation.

Fires don't move 80 football fields a minute ('Camp' fire report). Houses don't burn in exact half (Redding). Raging fires in 70mph winds that take out 5300 homes don't include stopping in a 300 yard straight line across a ball field (Cardinal Newman High School, Santa Rosa.)

I have no answers, I have mountains of specific questions and images, starting with the 5 year engineered drought to set the stage. I think they learned a lot from last year's trial run in Santa Rosa for both starting these and covering their suspicious tracks much more 'plausibly' than last year.

The 'neverlosetruth' lady in the first video below suggests this time, besides the chemtrails filling the air to aid the fire spreading, that accelerants could have also been laid in the intended path.

The beyond gross social engineering being coordinated to these fires with the scripts being given to reporters to repeat 'new normal' 'new normal' 'new normal' and playing down the devastation in lieu of feel good escape stories.... and more... reeks of coordinated agenda.

I suspect it's no accident of nature that all this smoke was torpedoed in a narrow funnel toward the Bay Area and am very concerned about what other toxins are in this smoke trapping and choking millions in it over 100's of square miles for days.

I remain in HIGH observation mode.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56WWkBbb79o&ab_channel=neverlosetruth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm_UrmiNWI0&ab_channel=neverlosetruth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q87U9WvSnGg&ab_channel=neverlosetruth

[Bob]

@waves - the firefighters WERE visually seeing the downed power-lines right at the location of the fire and the PG&E company reported an outage (downed lines) 15 minutes before a local called in what they saw. Visual physical (the wires themselves) evidence is adequate when trained fire inspectors determine the cause.

The issue is poor maintenance, and failure to shut down power in high winds where there is a risk of lines going down, trees coming in contact, lines contacting each other, or old equipment exploding.

Why they don't do the proper maintenance should be asked, why are they allowed to have wires that can short out in highly dry tinder and not increase the right-of-way clearance of dry foliage. If there is a conspiracy one should check out their management (PG&E) and who is supposed to be the oversight group giving them a free-pass to violate numerous safety laws.

[Denise/Dizi]

There is SOMETHING very insidious going on in California... I have lived here my entire life... We have chemtrails everywhere.. Politicians deliberately sinking the ship... We have new fires coming up with the intensity that we have never seen the likes of. My mother almost lost HER home a few years ago. And she had to evacuate. I have been on my property since 1996, and during that time, my once lovely property, full of fruit trees, lush grass, and herbs and spices has turned into a dry and barron wasteland, no matter what we did to keep it alive. And I mean we had some BEAUTIFUL growth. We had Walnut trees, a large Chestnut tree, two cherry trees, pear trees, an apple tree, grape vines, rosemary bushes all around, the list goes on... and the ONLY thing that is surviving now, is the blackberries and box hedges. The trees are falling apart... Large branches just falling off of them, the grass dying, the soil underneath dry like concrete, no matter how much we aerate and water. The grapevines died off, the rosemary faded back, and we are struggling to keep the grass green! It is almost as if someone poisoned the land... Via the air... If a fire came rushing through now? It would take all that out... or what's left of what was once lush and healthy. It is heart breaking. The soil no longer absorbs water, but is causing mudslides everywhere. Something very unusual is going on, and it can't be a fluke of nature. While we sit in our homes working to meet the mortgages, we can't be so sure that there aren't people in back room offices suggesting.. "Well, if we just get rid of this portion of the state.. we can do THIS".. Believe me, nothing would surprise me anymore. Not everyone thinks like we do... Simply KNOWING this, doesn't help, DOING something about it does. But what do we do? It's a mess... People better start considering what they're going to do... Because this isn't going to get any better if they don't!

[Denise/Dizi]

is it normal that there are green trees around the burned house????
Wishing every one to recover from this as fast as possible, specially our sister Sierra. Much love

Yes, it is common actually... When a fire is burning hot and heavy, and it catches a structure, it burns around certain things while it takes out the structure... and it burns that to the ground, almost like a rush of water over a rock leaving a void in the middle of the downside of a rock.. there becomes a pocket of safety in that tiny little area, as it burns around it.. When the fire is ready to move on, it doesn't take the path it was originally on, and then take out the tree in front of it, it kind of moves over to the path the rest of the fire continued to burn, because the structure made it lose its forward momentum... This leaves random things standing in the middle of a very ugly scene... Fire is very predictable... But very difficult to stop...

[onawah]

There seem to be several causes, and I don't think it's safe to discount DEWs because of the weird way these fires are leaving burnt out shells of cars, etc. and burning half of some buildings, leaving the other half intact, with some trees untouched while everything around them is in cinders. If firefighters have no explanation for these phenomena, there has to be something really unusual going on.

Power lines certainly must be a big part of the problem, but that doesn't explain everything. Dutchsinse points out in his report from yesterday ( I think that's the one) that the big explosion that looks like a rocket coming up from underground also looks just like a volcanic explosion.(Certainly a more plausible explanation than a rocket.)
(See Avid's post #26 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259101&viewfull=1#post1259101 and the most recent reports from Dutchsinse on this page: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98526-Dutchsinse-s-Earthquake-Reports-and-Forecasts&p=1258980#post1258980.)

There were tremors and new volcanic activity at that site, as well as at all of the other sites where the current fires started a few days ago, activity which the "experts" are not reporting, but which are characterized by heat, steam vents and smoke plumes at various times when there are tremors and quakes.)

The ground there is much drier than usual because the earth is heating up underground, another contributing factor besides drought, chemtrailing, etc. and possible DEWs as well.

Deborah Tavares of Stopthecrime.net http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104047-StopTheCrime.net&highlight=stopthecrime
...reports that she has seen documents showing Agenda 21's plans for various parts of the country which the elite want to take over, and that the areas which are being targeted by these fires are listed in those documents as target areas.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I have lived in California for 52 years.
Approximately 1/3 of the time in Metropolitan (S.F. Bay Area); 1/3 in mountains, 4500 elevation, and 1/3 in foothills, 1500 elevation
All of these locations are in N. California.

When I lived in the mountains, once we had to evacuate due to fires (luckily our property was not effected)
Two other times we were put on notice that we might have to evacuate, but in the end didn't have to. (Keep in mind this is over a 25yr period.

One year CalFire put out a call for any of those who had tractors, etc, who could help to please come forward. My husband and many of our friends responded. Because of our proximity to the fire and a major hwy, our 7 acre property was used as a staging site for those volunteers. Meaning every night they came back to our property to sleep and eat and then went back out to fight again. I heard many stories.

For those who aren't familiar with Calif weather, we basically have two seasons: a wet one and a dry one. We get most of our rain between November and March and a little in April. Between May and October we get no rain to speak of. That's 6 months of no rain and (with the exception of the northern coast) we have high temps with weeks of triple digits. So by late August to November our land is like a tinder box that doesn't take much to set it on fire.

All that being said, I have never experienced the type of fires that are happening now. These are beyond description here in N. California. Southern California always has had worse fires due to less rain, higher temperatures and the deadly Santa Ana winds which always come up around this time.

Joseph Farrell's thoughts here:
https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/10/strangeness-california-fires-just-became-stranger/ and here: https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/10/napa-fires-corps-engineers/

If you think what's happening is normal, you are kidding yourselves.
Yes PG&E doesn't maintain equipment as they should - they didn't in the past either
The Forest Service does not maintain the forests as they should, haven't for a long time, partially due to environmentalist interference.
Many citizens aren't good about maintaining their property, this isn't anything new

But the intensity and frequency of these fires is new.

Recently on one of Dutchsinse's posts he connects the fires to seismic unrest here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98526-Dutchsinse-s-Earthquake-Reports-and-Forecasts&p=1258912&viewfull=1#post1258912 I suggest you read all the posts below as well.

Is he on to something? . . . I suspect he is.

And Bob, regarding PG&E not shutting off the power before the Paradise fire when they knew high winds were predicted. Three weeks ago high winds were predicted in our area. PG&E gave us notice (effected parts of 3 counties) and did shut off the power. That meant all businesses, schools, traffic lights as well as residences. I can not tell you the flack that they received over this. Apparently once they shut it off, they can't just flick a switch to put it back on so several days it took. Companies threatened law suits, etc. . . so they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Not that I'm sticking up for them, maintance-wise, just saying it's a complicated call. I'm sure if they had a crystal ball, they would shut down if they knew a fire would break out, but we get lots of high winds. Can you imagine if PG&E shut off power every time? Just saying, it's complicated.

[Bob]

Yes it is just awful.

Extremely dry and things become tinder just waiting for a spark.

If one ever watched a high voltage line explode it is a brilliant bright flash as ground and surroundings are vaporized.

As to what MAY be making more transformers easier to light up (explode), most certainly scalar tension from underground can contribute.

Transformers which are perfectly good have been known to have holes punched into them by a strong scalar field coming into them.. I did that myself once in my old workshop, with a 110 kilovolt power supply.

I had a small scalar system right above the transformer (dohh) because i wanted everything in line for the tests I was doing.. Soon as i hit the right resonance - BOOM - the transformer blew, as if someone had drilled a perfect 1/4 inch hole thru all the windings INSIDE the transformer.

The outside of the case was unaffected.. The scalar focused on the CORE where the magnetic field was the strongest.. So yes, Dutch saying earthquakes playing some part, to be specific, the TENSION scalar fields from the faults all built up will generate an intense scalar field, and those apparatus with the strongest current running thru them will fail..

It's still an issue with PG&E being allowed to have stuff which can fail, and that means catastrophic failure where there is tinder and fuel WILL lead to damage, beyond belief. It is a fact of life living in the mountains where there is POWER running.

THE ONLY solution is to use BURIED cables, shielded and protected. THAT will save lives, and THAT is being overlooked because of the people involved saying we need to maximize profit.. That is their bottom line, profit, not lives..

[waves]

This is a terror attack, agenda 21...

No, this (the 'Camp Fire', that has destroyed the small town of Paradise) seems to have been caused by downed power transmission lines that fell on very dry vegetation.

The rest was the wind + the ever-present fire risk from the lack of rain. So dumb, and so, so unfortunate. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0708%20Flower.gif

A little more on this. There's a revealing update here. This is still being investigated, of course.


https://mercurynews.com/2018/11/09/pge-power-lines-may-have-sparked-deadly-butte-county-wildfire-according-to-radio-transmissions

PG&E power lines may have sparked deadly Camp Fire, according to radio transmissions
Company reported a transmission line outage about 15 minutes before the fire was reported
(read more here (https://mercurynews.com/2018/11/09/pge-power-lines-may-have-sparked-deadly-butte-county-wildfire-according-to-radio-transmissions))

Of course, the climate-change connection is that the entire area was already tinder-dry after months of almost no rain, and then high winds (which have been forecast to resume tonight CA time) did the rest.

This doesn't mean that the other fires were started the same way — of course. Just this one.

I had already heard those live transmissions before what I replied to your first post and did not consider it reliable evidence for a conclusion.

Those recordings were happily immediately provided yesterday by PGE, the guiltiest deepstate agenda facillitator and the least reputable source to believe for doing anything for any reason but their own interest. In this case, where a fire started is not any proof of WHAT started it there. There is zero evidence to us that any transmission line 'accidentally' falling started it. We do not know if it was 'helped' and plenty of reason to suspect it might have been.

We can't forget our enemy is not stupid. How would you start this fire and plausible deniability stories if you were rich, evil and had all the media and most advanced technology in the world available to you? When you're smart, you adjust your methods from last year's mistakes.

I am completely unconvinced that nature did all the rest, there's way too much evidence of foul play in how the fires advanced. There are way too many similarities with the other recent mass destruction abnormal fire behavior fires documented in great detail in other threads.

Climate change - PLUS deliberate, destructive weather manipulation. The power to rain or dry or amplify wind anywhere was harnessed decades ago. We are becoming aware of long term weather manipulation to set up conditions to enact longterm agendas years later like these fires.

Winds - Yep 'red alert' fear porn flooding all news outlets for two days now.... it reeks of plans rolling out with a pre-emptive plausible deniability story for the coming aftermath for wind that is going to be created.

What I do know is that 1000's and 1000's of innocent, good hearted, harmless people who played by the rules were burned alive or everything they worked for wiped out by possibly the entity they dutifully paid taxes to all their lives, certainly by unnatural circumstance loaded with unanswered questions.

[waves]

@waves - the firefighters WERE visually seeing the downed power-lines right at the location of the fire and the PG&E company reported an outage (downed lines) 15 minutes before a local called in what they saw. Visual physical (the wires themselves) evidence is adequate when trained fire inspectors determine the cause.

The issue is poor maintenance, and failure to shut down power in high winds where there is a risk of lines going down, trees coming in contact, lines contacting each other, or old equipment exploding.

Why they don't do the proper maintenance should be asked, why are they allowed to have wires that can short out in highly dry tinder and not increase the right-of-way clearance of dry foliage. If there is a conspiracy one should check out their management (PG&E) and who is supposed to be the oversight group giving them a free-pass to violate numerous safety laws.

We have no way to know that the power line wasn't 'helped' to go down, are we? It was the perfect location for a cover story. The transmission mentioned how extremely difficult to access a location it was and it wasn't ever reached before hell broke loose, was it?

[Bob]

So let me understand this @waves, you don't believe a report from PG&E to the reporting commission that power went out (lines down) 15 minutes before a call came in from on-the-ground witnesses, and you don't believe fire inspectors reporting that they are seeing downed powerlines causing a fire? And you don't believe people on the ground, the witnesses? I find that an interesting viewpoint.

I would prefer to go with the obvious, the weather has been extremely dry, and dry dead brush becomes tinder. Have you ever experienced camping with dry brush and had a spark from one's campfire light up the surrounding dry grasses? I've seen that happen, and called in fires from stupid people doing stupid things.

Bill cited the reason for the fire. I cited data historically where PG&E company has been cited for power line fire violations.. exactly the same as these current fires. The problem rests with PG&E not doing proper maintenance and proper shut-down if they know their powerlines' right-of-way zones have dry tinder foliage within that "supposedly clear safe zone".. The issue rests there.

Ask why were they allowed to get away with 500,000 violations? Ask why they considered people yelling at them for shutting off power as a legitimate excuse to allow for a potential disaster to happen. They are supposed to shut it down, and people then will complain. That is a fact of life. It is either that or things burn as they are now when the lines or equipment fails.

[Denise/Dizi]

I have lived in California for 52 years.
Approximately 1/3 of the time in Metropolitan (S.F. Bay Area); 1/3 in mountains, 4500 elevation, and 1/3 in foothills, 1500 elevation
All of these locations are in N. California.

And Bob, regarding PG&E not shutting off the power before the Paradise fire when they knew high winds were predicted. Three weeks ago high winds were predicted in our area. PG&E gave us notice (effected parts of 3 counties) and did shut off the power. That meant all businesses, schools, traffic lights as well as residences. I can not tell you the flack that they received over this. Apparently once they shut it off, they can't just flick a switch to put it back on so several days it took. Companies threatened law suits, etc. . . so they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Not that I'm sticking up for them, maintance-wise, just saying it's a complicated call. I'm sure if they had a crystal ball, they would shut down if they knew a fire would break out, but we get lots of high winds. Can you imagine if PG&E shut off power every time? Just saying, it's complicated.

A few weeks ago we were warned in our area as well.. (Nevada County)... that we may indeed lose power. due to high winds coming. We got phone calls, alerts on our televisions, cell phones... AND WE PREPARED. Power us off if you need to! I am 15 miles in a straight line, to paradise.. That was our take on the issue... We have a generator, candles, food, and a means to cook it.. MOST DON'T PLAN AHEAD... We have motorcycles, and even the ladies know how to ride them... so if the area around us goes up we have a faster and more agile footprint.. We have pet carriers, and while that isn't the only things that we can do, it is a start... People need to stop blaming others and prepare for ANY emergency that can arise.. While we may have thought it an inconvenience to lose our power, someone else thought it was a huge threat. It amazes me that people are so incredible lazy when it comes to even looking out for their own well being... And so sue happy, when they ARE inconvenienced. Had they had their power terminated perhaps they would still have their homes, and their businesses.. Perhaps the power company knew something they didn't and they tried to alert the masses, but rather than be praised for the heads up? People got angry their candy was being taken away. There is no glory in doing the right thing is there? It is a very complicated issue.. People need to realize things can happen, whether deliberate, or accidental.. And be prepared for those things.. And what they plan to do AFTER those crisis points hit..

I once tried to start stocking up in case we had an emergency. My husband laughed at me and began to dive into the stuff I was saving, rather than going shopping, which defeated the whole point.. People need to work together for such things.. Because we really don't know if and or when we will personally be confronted with such.. And when that day comes that you're challenged, it will be those that thought ahead, that fare well.. It all comes down to personal responsibility. Sadly the money fiasco makes it nearly impossible for most to plan ahead and actually get the things they need to survive a crisis, they're barely getting by... And that is by design, I am quite sure of it.

[onawah]

Downed power lines doesn't explain the unprecedented phenomena that people are reporting including cars melted and burnt to ash, untouched trees surrounded by everything else reduced to cinders, half of buildings burnt to the ground while the other half is untouched. What explanation is there for these bizarre anomalies, which have even the firefighters without explanation?

Dutchsinse's very thorough and logical report today on what's happening on the West Coast starting at 24 minutes in here:
qDTfD0r0fAA

29 minutes in he talks about the deep underground explosion near the Oregon border.
55 minutes in, all the gas and oil drilling operations in the Thousand Oaks area, which has been burning.

[Bob]

Wind and fuel makes for a blast furnace. A blast furnace is what is melting things Onawah, no weird weapon.

A furnace even using coals with a bellows blacksmiths for hundreds of years have used such to melt metals, to refine ores..

It is nothing other than extreme winds oxygenating a fire. That's the way it works with extreme temperatures.. Fire tornadoes, ducting, fuels being accelerated with oxygen.

https://www.aircontrolindustries.com/blacksmith-forge/evolution-of-forge-fan/ - https://www.aircontrolindustries.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/forgefan1.jpg

Artisans learned by watching fires what happens with WIND accelerating the temperature increase, the flame going from orange to a bright bright white...

One can suck on a cigarette and see the ember GLOW, and temperature increase. A camper starting a fire blows on the kindling (adding air) or "fans the flames" to raise the temperature and accelerate combustion. Temperatures dramatically go UP when high speed air (with oxygen) is added..

From WildFire Today - https://wildfiretoday.com/2011/02/26/at-what-temperature-does-a-forest-fire-burn/


an average surface fire on the forest floor might have flames reaching 1 metre in height and can reach temperatures of 800°C (1,472°F) or more.

Under extreme conditions a fire can give off 10,000 kilowatts or more per metre of fire front.

This would mean flame heights of 50 metres or more and flame temperatures exceeding 1200°C (2,192°F).

The melting point of aluminum is 1,220 degrees Fahrenheit. Aluminum melts in a forest fire quite easily.

Adding oxygen to the FLAME: What does adding more air flow to a flame do? Temperatures INCREASE and are able to melt steel. When you have COALS and you add wind/oxygen, the temperature goes to about 3,500°F (1,927°C).

Updrafts and fire-tornadoes add their own "wind" from the extreme heat rising.

Adding external high speed winds 35 miles per hour and UPwards create the "bellows effect" of a black smith's forge and a QUIET fire (without wind, or cool temperatures, dew in the air) where temperatures are only melting aluminum.. jumps up from 2,192°F temp (quiet burn) to 3,500°F easily liquifying steel (which needs 2500 degrees to melt).

It's not conspiracy weaponry, its tinder fuel coals and wind. It's been observed and used in forges for hundreds of years. It's a very well known phenomena.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Paradise CA, Nov 2018
Green trees? How is this possible? DEW?
39475

[waves]

So let me understand this @waves, you don't believe a report from PG&E to the reporting commission that power went out (lines down) 15 minutes before a call came in from on-the-ground witnesses...
I believe that the report was made. Where did I say I didn't?



and you don't believe fire inspectors reporting that they are seeing downed powerlines causing a fire?
I believe the fire inspectors were likely not lying. Did I say I didn't believe anyone?


And you don't believe people on the ground, the witnesses?...
I believe the witnesses on the ground reported what they saw. Where did I imply I didn't believe them?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That leaves the points I did make.

1. Was the location physically reached and viewed by anyone before hell broke loose from there?

2. (rephrased so there's no missing it)
If not, what is the proof that the power line wasn't helped to fall giving a nice plausible 'where/why the fire started' excuse, covering something else that actually ignited the fires from that extremely conveniently remote location?

That thought occurred to me before I even found people who noticed this gigantic odd burst with a gigantic huge shadow on the satellite feed. It immediately makes a HUGE burst of smoke that travels west against the gulf stream. It is apparently way out of the scope of what a single downed powerline can create. Here are shots of the important points, the video below is tedious, but explanatory.

https://i.postimg.cc/9M6n6hQC/start-burst.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/hjTr77KR/blast-wave.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/CMC7hDvj/shock-wave.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/fTBvXsQy/laserline.jpg


added: SORRY FOR THE 3rd REPEAT OF THIS... I missed the others.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DXJJXsN7Z4&ab_channel=MikeMorales

[Bob]

Post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259123&viewfull=1#post1259123 and where you disagree with Bill, post 36 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259145&viewfull=1#post1259145 you say you don't consider an official report "reliable evidence".

There is no point attempting to look at logic and discuss observations of people. As neither of us was "there" the only thing we have is the testimony of those who were there. If you choose to doubt them, by all means, but please stay focused on the issues, that the power lines needed to be buried not overhead, and that fires do start when power lines touch the ground, or that trees touch the power lines. All reports from those present say it was the power lines, not some strange weapon "in the gulf" or wherever. I would believe those who were there.

As to the so called "blast wave" .. seems to me folks that understand onshore Santa Ana winds and how they blow... quite possibly one will understand how smoke with California weather systems respond. There is nothing unusual there. There are good satellite pictures on Digital globe (virtually real time that shows the smoke) and those are accurate.

Aviation weather is a good search to understand both ground winds and winds aloft, or that at altitude. Understanding how the winds flow through canyons, and how they flow thru a valley would be helpful also if one were to intelligently understand weather systems.

One more time - The fire began two days ago, on November 8, near Pulga, California around the Plumas National Forest. Initial firefighters found only 10 to 15 acres burning when they arrived. There were downed power lines reported. The fire fighters said they were experiencing wind gusts up to 50 miles an hour, creating ideal conditions for the rapid spreading of the Camp Fire.

The combination of strong winds, low humidity and warm conditions in northern California exacerbated the extent to which the Camp Fire spread.

California is particularly vulnerable to wildfires due to the dry conditions and the presence of Santa Ana winds. The National Weather Service issued a warning of strong Santa Ana winds, sometimes in excess of 55 miles per hour, which would fuel any fires in the lowlands of California.

The Santa Ana winds originate inland from the Great Basin, bringing in hot and dry air. They are particularly strong in the fall but can occur at any time of the year.

The sudden injection of low humidity conditions and high winds causes a dramatic increase in the likelihood of wildfire growth within lowland California.

This is graphically what it looks like the wind flow:


https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Ftrevornace%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F11%2FScreen-Shot-2018-11-09-at-9.39.43-AM-1200x1074.jpg

These katabatic winds flow downhill due to the presence of high-pressure air masses over the Great Basin and the Mojave Desert. Air masses travel from areas of high pressure to low pressure, causing the air around the Great Basin to flow rapidly from the high-pressure area to low-pressure areas along California's coastline. Katabatic winds are downslope winds created when the mountain surface is colder than the surrounding air and creates a down slope wind.

As winds flow down the mountains and to the coast, they can often channel between mountain passes, causing exceptional wind gusts. This is exactly the situation where these fires are active.

This is what it looks like with the winds blowing from ON-SHORE to OFF-Shore.. Santa Ana winds.. clouds are showing clearly the "flow" orientation:


https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Ftrevornace%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F11%2FSanta_Ana_winds_-_satellite_image-1200x1389.jpg

(Source material published originally on Forbes science report)

[onawah]

Something that doesn't even call for much speculation at all is what almost undoubtedly ACTUALLY HAPPENED, which Dutchsinse has covered several times already in the last week, including here starting at around 25 minutes in: qDTfD0r0fAA
...and that is that it was an explosion of underground MAGMA, doubtlessly caused by all the surrounding, growing earthquake and volcanic activity, which is being exacerbated by the huge number of drilling and fracking and geothermal pumping operations, some of them RIGHT ON the faults and on old volcanic sites (including the recently discovered NEW SUPERVOLCANO!), which are now exhibiting signs of reawakening via tremors, plumes of steam and smoke.




Recently on one of Dutchsinse's posts he connects the fires to seismic unrest here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98526-Dutchsinse-s-Earthquake-Reports-and-Forecasts&p=1258912&viewfull=1#post1258912 I suggest you read all the posts below as well.

Is he on to something? . . . I suspect he is.


Question for Bob: But it still isn't clear to me and many others, I think, what is causing the bizarre phenomena such as half a home burnt, untouched trees and brush surrounded by cinders. Is it really common for vehicles in fires to be burned almost to dust? Is that because these fires have been burning unusually hot?



That thought occurred to me before I even found people who noticed this gigantic odd burst with a gigantic huge shadow on the satellite feed. It immediately makes a HUGE burst of smoke that travels west against the gulf stream. It is apparently way out of the scope of what a single downed powerline can create. Here are shots of the important points, the video below is tedious, but explanatory.

[we-R-one]

If you think what's happening is normal, you are kidding yourselves.
Yes PG&E doesn't maintain equipment as they should - they didn't in the past either
The Forest Service does not maintain the forests as they should, haven't for a long time, partially due to environmentalist interference.

Many citizens aren't good about maintaining their property, this isn't anything new.

Ba-ba-Ra is right, what’s happening in California is not normal.

I’m a native myself and have lived up and down the state with the exception of way northern portions. I left in 94' after graduating from college when things started to become out of hand (L.A. riots), and am so glad I did, I’ve never looked back. It was a beautiful place growing up and was nothing like what we’re witnessing now. My late father would be devastated by all the atrocities since his death in 2006. He and my mother retired in Napa, CA , it was his dream. I’m so happy ‘crazy’ didn’t come into play until after he was gone.

I warned Sierra about this happening 5 years ago in an Agenda 21 thread back in 2013. I said something to the effect, ‘you won’t be thinking that, when your house burns down in the name of green’. At the time I was taking a lot of flack from many forum members about my Agenda 21 reporting. The thanks I got was to have my comments moved into a conspiracy thread and closed from public viewing and I was restricted from posting…..Now sadly, the prediction has come to fruition. I am beyond sick about it.

So please listen up fellow Avalon members and viewers, here’s another ‘prediction’ that I hope is taken seriously……If you live in California, expect things to get a lot worse before they get better. California is being run into the ground and mismanaged by criminals who don’t give two rips about you or your family. I strongly suggest if you don’t enjoy ‘crazy’ and ‘apocalyptic’ type of scenarios, you might want to get out now! THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is huge and you do have other viable options, trust me, I moved and am so glad I did! Make sure you do your due diligence before taking the leap(don't move to strong Agenda 21 supporting communities). Keep one important fact in mind if you make the wise choice to leave, don’t try and turn your new location into the California you left….doing so will bring resentment from locals who are well aware of California’s shortcomings.




Those recordings were happily immediately provided yesterday by PGE, the guiltiest deepstate agenda facillitator and the least reputable source to believe for doing anything for any reason but their own interest. In this case, where a fire started is not any proof of WHAT started it there. There is zero evidence to us that any transmission line 'accidentally' falling started it. We do not know if it was 'helped' and plenty of reason to suspect it might have been.

We can't forget our enemy is not stupid. How would you start this fire and plausible deniability stories if you were rich, evil and had all the media and most advanced technology in the world available to you? When you're smart, you adjust your methods from last year's mistakes.

I am completely unconvinced that nature did all the rest, there's way too much evidence of foul play in how the fires advanced. There are way too many similarities with the other recent mass destruction abnormal fire behavior fires documented in great detail in other threads.

Climate change - PLUS deliberate, destructive weather manipulation. The power to rain or dry or amplify wind anywhere was harnessed decades ago. We are becoming aware of long term weather manipulation to set up conditions to enact longterm agendas years later like these fires.

Winds - Yep 'red alert' fear porn flooding all news outlets for two days now.... it reeks of plans rolling out with a pre-emptive plausible deniability story for the coming aftermath for wind that is going to be created.

I hear you waves :thumbsup:, and share your concerns…I suspect these events are many years in the making and I feel there’s a good chance what’s taking place is not necessarily what it appears on the surface.

[Bob]

Ron Mauer Sr question:
Paradise CA, Nov 2018

Green trees? How is this possible? DEW?



Onawah - Question for Bob: But it still isn't clear to me and many others, I think, what is causing the bizarre phenomena such as half a home burnt, untouched trees and brush surrounded by cinders. Is it really common for vehicles in fires to be burned almost to dust? Is that because these fires have been burning unusually hot?

Refer to here: to understand fire temperature, and what happens when AIR (oxygen) at high speed is added to a fire that has coals in it: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259161&viewfull=1#post1259161

For those who want to know how come wind is stopped or deviated by objects, let's look at some basics. Wind is wind, how it blows and where (what direction) is based on the structures in the area it encounters. Walls, trees, and even cross wind gusts. Everything in the pathway deviates. A hot gust here, a spot of cool, different pressures exist, and wind follows the paths being evoked - everything in the way directs the wind. One is not on an open beach, or a wide open field. There are winds moving in different directions at changes in altitude. All those variables alter the flow.

If one had a wind-tunnel with smoke in the wind tunnel one could see what happens when objects are placed in the flow. One can see what happens, and MODEL it.

Here is a simple diagram with wind blowing near some buildings - it's quite easy to see that there will be different locations where the wind is or isn't. (in the case of the fires, the "blast furnace temperature winds" and hydrocarbons present within the stream keep that temp high)..

http://www.chemlabs.bristol.ac.uk/outreach/resources/Box3_clip_image002.jpg

A most interesting effect is called "drafting" or driving really close behind a big semi-tractor-trailer truck.. One can virtually get sucked behind the truck due to the lower air pressure and the vortex created by the shadow.

Notice in the top picture the vortexes created and the air is directed in a specific pattern due to the 0bject's shape (and objects that deflect the wind).

This is very good illustration to wind moving around two buildings for instance. The super hot flow is directed into a primary rotating vortex, and there are pockets of "cool" due to the deviation of the primary superheated wind flow. I would assume that may be part of the "fire tornado" often reported during such intensely superheated fires.

By the way, a reader could ask oneself this, how come a TORNADO is able to not touch a neighbors house, but totally destroy the other house next door? Same issue same answer.. Wind is vortexed and conditions, pressure changes, different temperatures, winds aloft, are all the variables as well as ground conditions... and then with a fire tornado, the superheat is concentrated in to that vortex, and that vortex then moves where it is deviated to.

When it is super-heated to the forge temperature, it will melt steel in it's path, and it will move similarly to how tornado's move:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Fire_whirl_%28FWS%29_crop.jpg/250px-Fire_whirl_%28FWS%29_crop.jpg

In the lower picture, the wind has been deviated by specifically installing objects within the wind's path to shape and re-direct the wind. A super-heated "blast furnace-like wind" can be directed exactly the same way, and specifically the "blow torch" can melt what it is directed to, BY the surroundings, not some energy weapon. It is simple objective understanding how wind moves around objects.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/programs-policies/programs/images/aerodynamics_eng_fig11.jpg


I've been through many of those areas in California, Oregon, Washington State, Nevada - I've been through many of the canyons in California and have seen the situation first hand. I've experienced the harrowing escape situation too. It is not something anyone ever wants to experience...

The reality is, if the area is not properly maintained it is a situation waiting to turn into a tragedy and disaster. It doesn't take any spooky weapon to do the deed either. A dry lightning strike, a power-line down, a stupidly tossed cigar butt or a stupidly created campfire, train brakes locked up setting off sparks, or a truck's brakes burning.. Any of that can and has set off fires.. Or human arson. Or an accident from a chimney fire. California has the addition of the Santa Ana winds to exacerbate fires. In Colorado Springs (the Springs fire), very similar situations happened with the winds coming out of the canyons, how the fires destroyed some buildings, some cars, some trees, but left others untouched.

If the mitigation of a heavily wooded area is not done, normal ground cover can catch fire if the conditions are ripe for it and a spark hits it. A month of no rain can set the stage. Strong drying Santa Ana winds in California can dry the foliage even more. If one wanted to study weather patterns of El Nino, La Nina, or hot spots in the ocean and try to come up with a predictor why patterns shift, by all means, look for the pattern which causes the shifting.

Look at changes in solar output. It appears to me if one just looks at what seems to be oddities like "more fires" or "less rain", and saying that it is a weapons system "doing it", because one has not researched the actual potential natural conditions (the science) one is taking the "short cut, or the emotional easy way out". Armchair pseudoscience being espoused by sensationalistic trendy "faces" sells soap, it doesn't necessarily even come close to fact.


Fire officials in Butte County, where the Camp Fire recently became the most destructive fire in California’s history, are blaming low humidity, high winds and a lack of rain this November for helping spread the blaze at a ferocious speed. Problems with PG&E power lines may also have started the fire.

The focus, the SOLUTION should be specifically on the situation identifying that which IS, dry timber, dry grasses, a dry Santa Ana wind, downed power-lines igniting the grasses.. Properly insulated buried power lines would solve the fire issue and it would solve the latent power-line EMF issue.. (the health hazard). People need to insist that those solutions be done.

In my opinion looking at the variables, the "science" the canyons, the weather, the lack of rain, there is nothing "strange" with the California fires. They are following the logical outcome of the lack of proper fire mitigation steps, they are following the power-lines placement, they are following what happens when tinder dry timber and highly flammable grasses are ignited, and the terrain exacerbates rapid growth (spread) up hills.

Are they tragic, absolutely. Have people built close to timber, absolutely. Have power-line-right-of-ways not been maintained properly, absolutely (thereby allowing for accidents to happen, or "acts of god").

(see the post on where Ba-ba-Ra asks the question WHY are these current fires more dramatic, more devastating, what's different ? below (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259295&viewfull=1#post1259295)-

I answer that with the research which points out EXTREME PINE BEETLE infestation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259316&viewfull=1#post1259316) killing hundreds of millions of trees in the area of the wildfires, making for tinder-box, or match-box condition - bingo the thread's topic is solved.)

[onawah]

I understand your sentiments, and thanks for the info, Bob, but apologies for pointing out that I don't think you watched Dutch's video, because your question isn't actually relevant, and there is nothing sensationalized about Dutch's very factual reports.

[norman]

I have a question for anyone who might know . . . .

Well, two actually. Has the Trump administration put a squeeze on California for supporting sanctuary cities, etc?

Can the criminal political leadership there use wild fires as a way to regain access to federal funds?

[Bob]

Norman, per your second question, about are funds available to California (or any other State) which has suffered wildfires?

https://www.fema.gov/hazard-mitigation-grant-program-post-fire


Hazard Mitigation Grant Program Post Fire

This section contains information about our Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) Post Fire.

The purpose of this page is to connect individuals and state, local, and tribal government representatives with the resources they need to implement hazard mitigation measures in their communities after wildfire disasters.

Wildfires can destroy homes, businesses, infrastructure, natural resources, and agriculture. They can also exacerbate secondary hazards and leave areas prone to floods, erosion, and mudflows for many years.

FEMA is now providing mitigation assistance using the HMGP for Fire Management Assistance declarations in fiscal years 2017 and 2018, which covers October 1, 2016, through September 30, 2018. The Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018 authorizes FEMA to provide HMGP assistance for this specified time period.

Typically, HMGP funding is only available following Presidential major disaster declarations.

So the President has to DECLARE it a major disaster.. (I recall hearing that statement used elsewhere for major disasters, a Presidential declaration and then funds can be released..)

As to the first question, Sanctuary cities and FEMA funding being withheld?

from the minutes - https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/1501859547272-a1fd534c002b3fa131d3844fd2eeafaf/2017.05_MeetingMinutes_FINAL(508).pdf


How is FEMA addressing the Executive Order on withholding disaster assistance to ‘sanctuary cities’?

FEMA will uphold the Administration’s orders.

That being said, there is a hold on this order because of
injunctions filed by several cities, including San Francisco.

There is also the challenge of defining criteria for
‘sanctuary city’ status before funds can be withheld for that reason.

Once the definition is clear, policy on what
types of funding is affected must be developed.

The process is far from complete, but FEMA will abide by the
Administration’s instructions.

The executive order will not affect grants this fiscal year.

The FY 19-23 Resource Allocation Plan (RAP) is forward looking. And provides FEMA a working budget for declared disaster funding. Would Trump declare California in general a disaster area in the mountains and flatlands near the mountains affected by the fires? (Is San Francisco burning, I believe no, so their status as "sanctuary city" would not be an issue for the rest of California where the fires are burning to be declared as an official "disaster area".)

In theory San Francisco, a "sanctuary city" is not part of the current wild-fire situation, and potentially power-line-right-of-way mitigation should be supported thru FEMA funds through FY 19-23.

Just recently, Pres Trump signed a move of 10 million dollars from the FEMA budget to ICE is a drop in the bucket. FEMA has an annual budget of $13 billion that is used and distributed in different states according to the emergencies that occur in each one.

[avid]

IC1OCwlA2xU
Juan Browne, aka blancolirio of the excellent Oroville update videos reports here.

Interestingly, he was camping in the 3 lakes area just prior, and filmed the extremely dry and windy conditions, commenting on the fire hazard situation. Also comments on the hydro electric facilities in the area.

He includes the radio conversation concerning power issues 15 minutes before fire outbreak.

The title ‘camp fire’ has nothing to do with an actual camp fire, but the location of the outbreak near Camp Creek Road.

He expresses concern that a change in the weather may jeopardise Oroville.
A short but succinct video, well worth watching his reportage.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

For me, the question is: Not how these fires get started, but why do they become such mega fires.

Again, we've always had droughts here, we've always had fires, we've always had winds.

But even the firefighters are saying that the fires in the last few years have become worse. They should know.
How did this Camp Fire in 2-3 days become the worse fire in California history. We've had fires that have burned for weeks & months.

I'm not trying to let PG&E off the hook, I'm trying to figure out what is different. What new component has been added to make these mega-fires.


From Norman: Has the Trump administration put a squeeze on California for supporting sanctuary cities, etc? and Can the criminal political leadership there use wild fires as a way to regain access to federal funds?

Actually, Trump threw this out sometime during the big Redding fire this August: What do you do when Federal Funds are cut off from Santuary Cities . . .Fires. . . . My ears really perked up when he said it.


From We-R-One: If you live in California, expect things to get a lot worse before they get better. California is being run into the ground and mismanaged by criminals who don’t give two rips about you or your family.

Yep, and keep in mind the San Joaquin Valley in central California has been called "The food basket of the world", for the diversity of its produce and California's economy is now the 5th-biggest in the world, and has overtaken the United Kingdom.

So, this just isn't a California problem. If we go down, it will affect everyone in the US.

[onawah]

I'm finding it hard to believe that you actually listened to any of Dutchsinse's reports, Bob. He never said that earthquakes had anything to do with the starting of the fires.
What he did say is that the underground explosion and plume of smoke near Eugene Oregon was in an area that is known to be volcanic, and that there have been tremors and plumes of steam and smoke in other areas on the West Coast that have been known to have been volcanic in the past as well, and that those may have been caused by magma (there aren't many other logical explanations), and may be contributing to the dry conditions on the ground, which lead to fires.
Ivory tower scientists are having a very hard time reconciling themselves to the fact that a very smart and witty though relatively uneducated tree surgeon has figured out how earthquakes work and has been able to accurately predict over and over again not only when and where they will occur, but their intensity. And his reports continue to grow comprehensively and in accuracy all the time. He explains what he learns as he goes, which is very generous of him. Even the "experts" are learning, in spite of themselves and adopting his methods, though they are loath to admit it.
The fact that his youtube reports that contain the most important information and WARNINGS are sometimes censored is good evidence of the kind of professional jealousy that his accuracy is inciting.
His theories are hardly distracting from important matters at hand on various threads; on the contrary, they can be extremely HELPFUL for Avalonians like Sierra and Ba-Ba-Ra who may be affected by dangerous conditions on the West Coast, not to mention people reading Avalon all over the world who may be affected by earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, etc.
The "experts" sure aren't doing a good job at that--frequently that aren't even reporting earthquakes or other dangerous situations at all, and it appears they are much more afraid of making mistakes and concerned with their professional reputations than they are with people's safety, while it's clear to me and a lot of his listeners that that is Dutch's concern, not "selling soap".
If he finds it ironic and amusing that he is such an irritant to the USGS etc., I can't really fault him too much for that, or for his rants when it makes him angry.
Frankly, I think they richly deserve it, and he has just cause for his ire.
;
[QUOTE]The post subject: bringing up "Dutch's theories" over and over, I feel therefore is off-topic frequently and reposting continually his hyperbole in other threads is absolutely distracting to the thread topic(s). I find it incredulous actually that anyone is accepting as science that "Dutch" has the answer [that earthquakes] are behind ( the basis behind ) the fire that started at the dam area from downed power lines. What appears to me to be self serving justification based on an immense tragedy to "sell his soap" really is not in my book demonstrating the highest of ethics.

[onawah]

I think Dutchsinse may have figured out part of it, but John Casey and others talk about the Grand Solar Minimum causing conditions that lead to earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.. See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world&p=1258764&viewfull=1#post1258764
The tens of thousands of geothermal, gas and oil drilling points all over the West Coast are creating weakness in the crust and appear to be contributing to underground magma coming more to the surface, such as evinced by the recent deep underground explosion near Eugene, Oregon.
That magma could be causing heat to rise more from underground, which would cause the soil to become drier than usual.
Also, a BIG contributing factor would be the contents of chemtrails, which have been reported from various sources not only to be toxic, but incendiary. See: Aluminum Dust from Geoengineering Fueling Super Wildfires: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aluminum-dust-from-geoengineering-fueling-super-wildfires-according-to-author-300707890.html

For me, the question is: Not how these fires get started, but why do they become such mega fires.

Again, we've always had droughts here, we've always had fires, we've always had winds.

But even the firefighters are saying that the fires in the last few years have become worse. They should know.
How did this Camp Fire in 2-3 days become the worse fire in California history. We've had fires that have burned for weeks & months.

I'm not trying to let PG&E off the hook, I'm trying to figure out what is different. What new component has been added to make these mega-fires.

[onawah]

Here is that article about chemtrails contributing to fires:
Aluminum Dust from Geoengineering Fueling Super Wildfires According to Author
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aluminum-dust-from-geoengineering-fueling-super-wildfires-according-to-author-300707890.html
LOS ANGELES, Sept. 6, 2018 /PRNewswire/ --
"While researching for his new novel, author Denis Mills discovered an alarming link between chemtrails and the super wildfires.

The author discovered that unprecedented levels of aluminum and barium nanodust, primary components in chemtrails, both of which are incendiary, are fueling the ferocity of the super wildfires.

A retired USAF brigadier general, Gen. Charles Jones, has been quoted from a public source as stating, "These white aircraft spray trails are the result of scientifically verifiable spraying of aluminum particles and other toxic heavy metals, polymers and chemicals."

"Millions of tons of aluminum and barium are being sprayed almost daily across the U.S., stated Mills, a former naval officer and UCLA graduate. "Just sprinkle aluminum or barium dust on a fire and see what happens. It's near explosive. When wildfires break out, the aluminum/barium dust results in levels of fire intensity so great as to cause firefighters to coin a new term ̶ 'firenados,' " he said. The entire U.S., in addition to various other NATO countries, are being sprayed."

The government has for years denied the existence of chemtrail spraying. It now calls the program by various names, all under Geoengineering.

According to Cal Fire operation chief Steve Crawford, the fires are burning differently and more aggressively. It has been reported the fires move faster than anyone has ever seen and barriers that in years past contained them such as rivers, no longer do.

In California's Mt. Shasta region, Francis Mangel, a USDA biologist tested and found elevated levels of aluminum in water and soil samples of 4,610 parts per million which is 25,000 times the safe guidelines of the World Health Organization.

Some have claimed Mr. Mills is publicity-seeking for his teen and young adult fiction adventure series, Matt Legend, about four teens who encounter and battle the supernatural and all kinds of strange things, including the forces behind the chemtrails. The adventure thriller is being called the new Harry Potter. Mr. Mills states the research speaks for itself and the novel is only what led to the discovery. "Authors are known for researching things to death," he stated. No one can argue, however, the wildfires' newfound ferocity or the millions of tons of aluminum/barium nanodust which have appeared, which is killing vegetation and causing illness and death.

"Matt Legend: Veil of Lies" on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Matt-Legend-Veil-Denis-Mills-ebook/dp/B07FVKD62N/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536166550&sr=8-1&keywords=matt+legend

Contact: Denis Mills "

Also, interesting comment here: http://911scholars.ning.com/video/chemtrails-thermitic-incendiary-based-wildfire-jumps-highway-in

"Interviewed firefighters openly admit when interviewed that no amount of water can put out these fires, although they do not make a link to Chemtrails thermocouple incendiaries containing Al, Ba & Sr, but know the fires are far, far hotter and more super-intense than normal fires, just like the thermitic fires of the WTC complex.....

Thermite burns underwater as the burning in the basements of the TwinTowers that went on for months, underwater.

Some people are making the logical, scientific connections, but most people are totally clueless.

It looks like the cars from 911, many of them fried and metal parts melted into running puddles.

Wake up folks, normal fires do not burn at temperatures that melt metals, esp. steel. "

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Post by Paul on the Q thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1259242&viewfull=1#post1259242


Do you believe in coincidences?
How many coincidences before it becomes mathematically impossible?
Expand your thinking.
>Amount of fires in CA past 12-months?
>Amount of fires in CA past 10-years?
>Date FED funding cut off from CA as result of violation(s) of Sanctuary State/City?
>CA budget cuts past 12-months re: Fire & Prevention?
>>Reduce/eliminate dry brush clean up?
>>Reduce/eliminate tree-line clean up?
>>Reduce/eliminate fire break installation(s)?
>>Reduce/eliminate chopper fly over(s) to target 'high exposure' areas?
>>Reduce/eliminate population areas exposure & fire break safety management?
>>Reduce/eliminate use of inmates [correction facilities] for Highway clean up and dry brush removal?
What is the primary purpose of declaring a State of Emergency?
What determines the size of the FED payment to a State that has declared a State of Emergency?
What is the current debt of CA?
The More You Know…
Q


While you might say: We can't have it both ways: Is it the explosions of magma underground or the nasty politicians.

They could take a natural disaster and enhance it.

[Bob]

Thank Avid for finding an excellent video (only a little over 8 minutes), it perfectly shows the situation, of extremely dry conditions, where the powerlines are right on a slope where UP-HILL heat/wind will rapidly carry the fire and burning embers into other trees and brush.

That particular brush is highly highly flammable, the numbers of dead or dying trees from the drought, from beetle kill (pine bark beetles invade the bark of these beautiful trees, destroying them) which leaves virtual "standing match-poles" (like a strike anywhere match), and one spark plus high winds, and the wildfire starts.

The link that describes the situation of 100,000,000 (100 million ! ) trees killed by the beetle infestation statewide is here: https://www.sierraclub.org/california/letter-sacramento-threats-lurking-forests-and-sacramento This is from the Sierra Club a very pro-active nature conservancy group.

Please look at this image, and you can see it matches the images in the Video below:


https://www.sierraclub.org/sites/www.sierraclub.org/files/sce/sierra-club-california/photos/letters-from-sacramento/Bark%20beetle%20infected%20tree_448x448.png

California has laws on the books that states that the flammable scrub, sage, coyote "brushes" (small bush like schrub) need to be cleared away from dwellings, buildings, fuel storage areas.

http://sacramento.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=22&clip_id=2989&meta_id=384735 -

Here's a few excerpts:


from the 2010 California Fire Code.

C. Local Climatic Conditions:

1. Climate impacts fire behavior and other major emergency events because
it cannot be controlled.

The drying out of wood shakes and wild land fuels in the summer months allows for easy ignition.

2. The building of homes within weed-covered rural areas and the
combustible weeds on vacant urban lots, coupled with windy conditions, is
a recipe for disaster. Sacramento has four distinct seasons: summer,
winter, fall, and spring. The distinctions of these seasons are an attraction
to the area and one reason why significant population growth has
occurred. The population growth has impacted emergency service levels
causing a strain on emergency services, and the result is increased
response times.

3. Sacramento has significant variations in weather patterns.

4. Average yearly rainfall is approximately 19 inches. This rainfall normally
occurs from October to April. (NOTE, this means a virtual desert condition NORMALLY exists)

5. During the summer months there is generally no measurable precipitation.
Temperatures for this dry period range from 70 to 112 degrees Fahrenheit
and are frequently accompanied by light to gusty Delta winds. The
relative humidity during summer months range from 2% to 30%, which is
arid.

The city contains many acres of grasslands, which, in conjunction
with the dry and windy conditions, create a hazardous situation that has
led to extensive grass and brush fires in recent years.

More development is extending from the urban core into the grass-covered areas. Winddriven
fires have led to serious consequences in similar areas of the state.

6. In the past, several consecutive years of drought conditions have
occurred, thus reducing the available water supply. Ground water as well
as surface supplies have all been affected. The drought conditions have
led to lower water tables, reduced fire flow testing, water contamination,
and water conservation efforts.



and from: http://www.fire.ca.gov/about/downloads/preventionlaws.pdf (Cal Fire prevention laws)


(b) Maintain around and adjacent to the building or structure
additional fire protection or firebreak made by removing all brush,
flammable vegetation, or combustible growth that is located within
100 feet from the building or structure or to the property line or at
a greater distance if required by state law, or local ordinance, rule, or
regulation.

This section does not prevent an insurance company that
insures a building or structure from requiring the owner of the building
or structure to maintain a firebreak of more than 100 feet around the
building or structure.

The LA Times (Los Angeles California) in October a year ago said this:


Power lines and electrical equipment are a leading cause of California wildfires

The deadliest wildfires in state history have raised questions about whether a repeat culprit might again be to blame for starting or spreading at least some of the Northern California blazes: utility companies and their equipment.

The explosive failure of power lines and other electrical equipment has regularly ranked among the top three singular sources of California wildfires for the last several years. In 2015, the last year of reported data, electrical power problems sparked the burning of 149,241 acres — more than twice the amount from any other cause.

And regulators have hit the state's investor-owned utilities with tens of millions of dollars in fines related to wildfires, including $37 million for the 2007 Malibu fire (Southern California Edison); $14.4 million for the Witch, Rice and Guejito fires the same year (San Diego Gas & Electric); and $8.3 million for the September 2015 Butte Fire (Pacific Gas & Electric).

(A repeating pattern) A review of emergency radio traffic recordings found that fire crews were dispatched to at least 10 spots in Sonoma County in response to reports of sparking electrical wires and exploding transformers as high winds pummeled the area on the night of Oct. 8, the San Jose Mercury News reported. The first fires were reported about the same time, the newspaper said.

The electrical lines and equipment are owned by Pacific Gas & Electric Co. (PG&E).


In other words in the recent main fires in California, these factors continue to exist, unremediated:


1) extremely dry conditions, and dead and dying highly flammable brush and trees on steep slopes (a steep slope allows for a rapid movement of the fires up the hillside)

2) powerlines which run on and within these extremely dangerous conditions which have not had the "right of way" (or an area below the power-lines which are TOTALLY clear of brush and trees and bushes and grasses) - the purpose of the right of way is to allow for access to the powerlines and to provide a FIRE-BREAK, and a safety zone should a line go down to prevent any fire

3) power which has not been turned off and allowed to remain on during high winds where powerlines will sway in the wind, touch and spark, potentially coming crashing down LIVE into the right of way, and starting a fire from uncleared combustible material.

4) fire-access roads not maintained to reach the major powerline right of way areas.

Access must be cleared so that fire vehicles can enter. (At the dam area where the fire started the "camp road fire" the access roads were hardly accessible as reported by firefighters on the ground)

The issue remains that the California authorities have not insisted that PG&E properly address items 1-4 above. In other words, gross negligence is very obvious. It is not "federal responsibility" to police the lack of enforcement of Statewide rules, or to go after a local utility for the STATE.

It is in-fact a California issue, legally, the local authorities in California have in essence given PG&E a PASS to continue to violate laws and put people at risk.

President Trump it appears is almost right in saying it is CALIFORNIA's fault that laws that were broken remain uncorrected, and the perpetrators were continually NOT dealt with. Instead we see an agenda (California is generally opposed to ANYTHING that President Trump says), where violators are ALLOWED to go free.

I'd highly recommend that readers take a few minutes (8 minutes) to review a qualified person's video (below) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC1OCwlA2xU) who was on the ground right near the fire area for the camp-road-fire and experienced the conditions, and actually filmed what it looked like, the brush conditions, the dead beetle kill trees, and the power-lines with uncleared growth.

In California one sees this very often, powerlines without any firebreak and high tension lines on steep hills - the scrub brush is easily ignited by sparks from the lines if they touch (hot metal drops to the ground onto the brush). The area immediately under the line should be cleared for 100 feet of ALL brush, anything that can ignite:


https://nobodyhikesinla.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/hoyt-mountain-firebreak.jpg

If this clearing is not done, with the winds, dryness, and upslope rapid burn ability, these fires will continue.

California IS allowing violators to go free, which most definitely comes across in President Trump's dramatic sometimes un-eloquent observations.

Trump realizes and voices how he can using the words he can, these FIRES are California's problem, the problem being CALIFORNIA not the federal government needs to enforce the right of way laws for the power-lines.

Any agenda it seems is coming out of "vested interests" in California wanting to maintain their status quo of allowing violators and criminals a PASS. California is ALLOWING the Utility to charge its customers for it's negligence ! Customers WILL PAY for the damages created by the Utility in rate hikes. How about that folks? California legislators sided for PG&E.



IC1OCwlA2xU
Juan Browne, aka blancolirio of the excellent Oroville update videos reports here.

Interestingly, he was camping in the 3 lakes area just prior, and filmed the extremely dry and windy conditions, commenting on the fire hazard situation. Also comments on the hydro electric facilities in the area.

He includes the radio conversation concerning power issues 15 minutes before fire outbreak.

The title ‘camp fire’ has nothing to do with an actual camp fire, but the location of the outbreak near Camp Creek Road.

He expresses concern that a change in the weather may jeopardise Oroville.
A short but succinct video, well worth watching his reportage.

assorted references:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/criminal-aliens-set-free-californias-radical-agenda-resistance-federal-law/

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/California-Approves-Measure-to-Pass-on-Wildfire-Costs-492248471.html - California legislatures gave PG&E a free pass to make the PEOPLE pay for their gross negligence with the 2017 wildfires..

https://stoptheutilitybailout.com/ - another free pass to a big Utility - stop the giving of bailouts to perpetrators taking advantage of the People


Will President Trump have the federal government SUE the State of California? (with respect to the fires, State gross negligence (lack of proper enforcement) and the utility responsible for the gross negligence ) - it is with precedent that such may happen.

reference:

https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5793&context=faculty_scholarship


It also remains true that state
officials may be sued personally in federal court,
in privately brought actions seeking money damages
from them, should they act in disregard of
specific provisions in some federal acts. Why? Because
neither state nor local officials acquire any
personal immunity by force of the Eleventh
Amendment.

Quite possibly violating the "public's safety" by allowing the improper maintenance of the right-of-ways of Utility's power lines to continue to persist, may be a focus of the Federal Suit(s).

Allowing a dangerous condition to persist (criminal act of negligence), for instance knowingly allowing spoiled food to be put into commerce, or allowing a faulty heating system that can put deadly carbon monoxide into a home or school or business.

Determining those parties culpable would be a Justice department action. California has persisted in ALLOWING the Utilities (PG&E) to get away with not properly maintaining the power-line right of way and access to the right of way(s).

Indeed California legislatures, and California's fire regulation enforcement may well be focused on by President Trump. To deal with those who should be responsible for their resident's safety, ignoring their fiduciary responsibility.

[Bob]

Hi Ba-ba-Ra


For me, the question is: Not how these fires get started, but why do they become such mega fires.

Again, we've always had droughts here, we've always had fires, we've always had winds.

But even the firefighters are saying that the fires in the last few years have become worse. They should know.
How did this Camp Fire in 2-3 days become the worse fire in California history. We've had fires that have burned for weeks & months.

I'm not trying to let PG&E off the hook, I'm trying to figure out what is different. What new component has been added to make these mega-fires.

I think you ask a great question. In fact, I believe you solved the mystery by asking the RIGHT question. What is the new component, what is different. Bingo. And Bravo !

Looking at all the factors: The variable has been this - the increase in dead trees in California has been RISING due to a pine beetle infestation.

More dead trees equals more hydrocarbon laden fuel.

The increase in pine beetle kill has been exponentially increasing in California. Healthy trees can resist to an extent a brush fire if the wind is not too bad to burn "green wood". Super high temperatures of the fires due to very high winds can even ignite wet green wood.

There is the answer I believe, the beetle kill has been horrendous.

Just looking at the Chico area (one town near the Paradise fire) what are the tree conditions ?- https://www.newsreview.com/chico/content?oid=22942026

THIS is what is happening - matchbox conditions:


https://www.newsreview.com/imager/pines-imperiled/b/original/22942026/0920/cover1-1.jpg

The brown trees are dead trees in the image. A few green ones remain scattered in-between.


In October 2015, Gov. Jerry Brown called the phenomenon “the worst epidemic of tree mortality” in California’s recorded history and declared a state of emergency.

At the time, the U.S. Forest Service estimated 22 million trees were dead.

As of Nov. 18, a little more than a year later, the estimate had risen to 102 million trees, mostly in 10 counties in the southern and central Sierra Nevada. For perspective, there are some 4.1 billion live trees statewide. Bark beetles have killed about 2.5 percent of the forests, and roughly 62 million trees died this year alone.

There is the "variable" or what is different - an explosion in tree death, perfect fire fuel. Add sparks, add gusty Santa Ana wind and tragedy is the result. Bingo ! The question about the Strangeness of the California Wildfires is now solved - well done !

[onawah]

Latest update:A Red Flag Warning denoting a high risk of wildfire has been extended in California until Tuesday, CBS Los Angeles reports.

Red Flag Warnings are issued for conditions that could lead to "extreme fire behavior" within 24 hours, according to Cal Fire.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrmI7XqWsAA9AiO.jpg

The National Weather Service Sacramento said "critical fire weather conditions" are expected across Northern California Saturday night to Monday morning "due to strong winds & dry conditions."

Interesting excerpt:
"Firefighter union president rips Trump
Brian K. Rice, the president of the California Professional Firefighters, criticized President Trump on Saturday after he threatened to withhold federal payments to the state, claiming its forest management is "so poor." The president made the comments as the state is battling multiple deadly wildfires.

"The president's message attacking California and threatening to withhold aid to the victims of the cataclysmic fires is ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning to those who are suffering as well as the men and women on the front lines," Brian K. Rice said in a statement.

"Wildfires are sparked and spread not only in forested areas but in populated areas and open fields fueled by parched vegetation, high winds, low humidity and geography," Rice said.

He added, "Moreover, nearly 60 percent of California forests are under federal management, and another two-thirds under private control. It is the federal government that has chosen to divert resources away from forest management, not California." "

Much more at:
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/california-fires-camp-malibu-woolsey-evacuation-containment-evacuations-death-toll-live-updates/

[Bob]

Why is an electrical arc a highly dangerous situation in a wooded area?

In an area where the arc has melted the steel metal (power-lines melted) that conduct the power?

Why is it dangerous? The heat generated in the arc, is so high, it vaporizes the surfaces, the remaining metal is turned into a liquid and comes in contact when it falls to the ground and hits anything combustible on the ground.

An Arc Flash event can expel large amounts of deadly energy.

The arc causes an ionization of the air, and arc flash temperatures can reach as high as 35,000 degrees Fahrenheit. This arc temperature then is hotter than the surface of the sun.

Arc welding of metals is a very known process. Steel is easily melted simply with high current AC or DC and some electrical wires able to be brought together to "strike an arc".

Again this is the situation with the immense current in the power-lines in California's energy grid system. Not rocket science, no mystery, no hidden metal melting "bombs" - the wires themselves carrying the current will act like an arc welder's electrodes.

Here's some views of what it looks like:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSOjTNfdgHySbGBl2mbgPdQ9Vi7ajGOE eiLxmZo-o3w3Ca2lSJJmw

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dsf32Dps5JA/maxresdefault.jpg

These videos below are very very clear what happens.

No mystery here, no bombs, no conspiracy, just a condition that happens with high voltage power lines now and then..

And the reason the power line right of ways MUST be cleared for at least 100 feet below the towers and transformers and switches..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp2SYotJmQM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOT8jx4jEzM

[James Newell]

Another viewpoint that strains the fabric of believability is that Calif has been purposely setting these fires for the fed disaster money. I don't particularly want to believe it, but I do believe the current admin of cal could do that.

[Bob]

Another viewpoint that strains the fabric of believability is that Calif has been purposely setting these fires for the fed disaster money. I don't particularly want to believe it, but I do believe the current admin of cal could do that.

James I think your theory holds merit. Especially if the conditions UNDER the powerlines would start the fire and the correct wind conditions would raise the glowing coals' temperature up to steel melting temperatures. In other words, was there something that kicked off the incidents that cascaded into the downed lines and the fires.. A cracked High voltage insulator most certainly could kick the cascade into action.. And done from a distance, no witnesses.. especially if the weapon was suppressed. (suppression: a silencer on the front of the weapon to reduce the rapport, noise "gunshot" sound)

Here is a picture of a high voltage power-line insulator which has been shot (sabotaged)..

Here is a utility site which discusses sabotage - https://www.bpa.gov/news/newsroom/Pages/Insulator-damage-endangers-public-power-reliability-ratepayers-foot-repair-bill.aspx

http://chanlo.com/images/shot-1.jpg

An insulator damaged from gunshots:

http://www.inmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Bird-damage-110-kV-horizontal--537x350.png

A sniper weapon could possibly have been used - especially with incendiary rounds - targeting the power line insulator obviously then would put blame on the Power Utility company.. Interesting theory indeed.

https://natashastander.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/the-accountant3.jpg?w=1075

Obviously when the authorities can get in there and inspect the power-lines themselves, the insulators observed forensically, that could put to rest that it was some form of vandalism or sabotage..

[Bo Atkinson]

There are multiple issues ablaze here and i know i do not know enough about them all to satisfactorily handle them. A few of them are familiar. I was a volunteer fireman from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s and put out some fires. I have also burned many cords of wood to heat our home for nearly 50 years, with solar greenhouses as well, encompassing a range of hand worked skills from electric welding to refractories to concrete, carpentry etc… (Rather than earning a pension to support me nowadays: )

One note is using a vertical parlor stove in this fall weather, lets me burn, (start up), so hot as to illuminate the stove side and stove pipe, all of sheet metal, without damage and certainly not to pulverized metal and stone. The difference being that actual charcoal or industrial coke are needed to productively melt iron or steel. Such heat to weld metals would require oxy-acetylene or oxy-hydrogen, or charcol or coke, when working in open air. The pictures in this thread and presumably of the present fires, show the car wheels seemed intact and not melted…

Melted wheels of other fires in other times and CA locations were photographed and this in part could be due to aluminum wheels, which melt at half the heat. No matter still, because those earlier ‘fires’ weirdly appeared more like artificial arcs in terms of the ‘dustification’, more or less, as evidenced in the images and vids. Again, the current fire pictures show the rubber tires burned, leaving the metal wheels in place.

What ever ignition places and how ever many places ensued is another matter all together, where there are witnesses reporting in sequences, with observations of separate reports. The alternative reports get my attention, just as much as do the other reports and i do not disqualify either… Nor claim i know absolutes. Rather these all remain hypotheses in my mind.

As to dead trees, i doubt these can induce fires equal in temperatures to welding methods, though indeed large volumes of red hot flames would do great damage and possibly quickly pass with a gale force or such, but not reach white candescence, for steel melting temperatures. I admit in all such vids i was staining to see if vegetation lingered in the suburban areas of earlier fires. In some cases it did appear that foillage survived near to houses, which appeared to be blasted with titan forces and not ordinary fire. Houses half burned as if with a giga-mega-laser so fast, that the remainder of such a house was left intact, incredulously.

If the trees fell in the forest and nobody heard the deforestation, because they were so overwhelmed with pertaining matters, did it really happen? I don’t knopw about that either, but i do know we live of an ecocide-happy world, where big money talks.

[James Newell]

I am not a big Q head, but he did an interesting post re these fires in cal: post 2467 https://qmap.pub/
Maybe this the wrong place to put this here.

[Bo Atkinson]

I am not a big Q head, but he did an interesting post re these fires in cal: post 2467 https://qmap.pub/
Maybe this the wrong place to put this here.


In case you referred to the following links, my most serious concern is that big money might determine that a “safe forest” is to clear cut and plant monoculture plantations… Which by the way is more subject to pestilence, which is remedied with more sprays or GMO experimentation. (Hit the public with a gamblers frock).

https://cdn.qmap.pub/images/054a8dd50fadbe6cbc499a8b52b2d94fd07f2263f1343673e2d8485c5fe65792.jpg

https://cdn.qmap.pub/images/d7e499d96193747085f3921ad7bcfdb2e0c987ef75eb4fa139569ba358dcf603.jpg

A Meditated Solution?

The right solution might just be to stimulate the upwardly mobile, Californian, technocratic investors with the ideas of full-forest-employment using advanced man-sized machines, controlled with robo-tractors, using advanced electronic systems, to better bring the timber to market, without creating over-sized diesel monsters which crush everything in sight, wasting far more fuel in the process, with erosion and poisoned waterways besides.

If one google/images "robotic ecto skeleton”, the concepts of having a human- operator-worker inside a powerful machine, but smaller and much more efficient than large forest ruining machines, could save the good trees while removing only the infested trees …and keep the physical types employed very productively… And keep society balanced with objective-physicality, instead of wholey sedentary clicking the keyboards.

Here in populated parts of Maine, forestry relied on smaller contractors to clear up the devastation of ice-98 (the 1998 ice storm of the north eastern USA and Quebec (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.1tac.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F01%2FFrozen-Cars-stopped-in-their-tracks-during-the-great-icestorm-of-98.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.1tac.com%2Fthe-great-ice-storm-of-1998%2Ffrozen-cars-stopped-in-their-tracks-during-the-great-icestorm-of-98%2F&docid=SZwW98ww5gZ0XM&tbnid=Boz9gSwjgK1WgM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwid5-Xbu87eAhUvUt8KHVGXDTMQMwhiKBYwFg..i&w=342&h=255&client=safari&bih=551&biw=876&q=ice-98&ved=0ahUKEwid5-Xbu87eAhUvUt8KHVGXDTMQMwhiKBYwFg&iact=mrc&uact=8).

[Bill Ryan]

I am not a big Q head, but he did an interesting post re these fires in cal: post 2467 https://qmap.pub/
Maybe this the wrong place to put this here.

Jim, I'd not say this on the main 'Q' threads: but I do think Q very often simply tells people what he thinks they want to hear.

(And, I have to say: this 'Q' is either the 4th or the 5th 'Q' that's taken over the 'drops' since the beginning of it all, over a year ago. The linguistics are now completely different.)

:focus:

[James Newell]

I agree on that Bill, Fires, elections, deep state; the art of leading thought processes and movements by subtleties.
And back to topic Calif should be doing more clearing and removal( and back fire burning ) prior to the fire season.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Below is partial article from Mike Adams, the Health Ranger. . . . .Note: I personally feel what he says is only one of the major reasons for these disasters, and I suspect there are other components at play. (i.e.PG&E mis-management of equipment, what is happening in the seismic regions BOTH naturally and as a result of our drilling for gas/oil/steam into areas we shouldn't be - and who knows what else).

From Health Ranger:
Actions have consequences, and bad actions often have bad consequences. . . . .Years ago, the California government began interfering with local efforts to bulldoze the deadwood out of forests as part of a forest management plan to reduce fire risk. This was all done, of course, under the banner of “environmentalism,” usually with emotional pleas to “save the wildlife” by leaving all the forests alone.

Year after year, the deadwood built up. It was only a matter of time, of course, before a fire would be ignited by lightning (Mother Nature’s natural fire starter). Fueled by the tremendous underbrush that was no longer being cleaned out of the forests, the fires erupted with catastrophic ferocity.

“Extreme environmentalists have shut down public access. They talk about habitat, and yet they are willing to burn it up,” warned Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke in an interview with KCRA. “This has nothing to do with climate change. This has to do with active forest management,” he said.

Complete article: https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-11-10-self-induced-disaster-california-fires-the-direct-result-of-shortsighted-environmentalist-policies.html

[onawah]

Camp' Fire UPDATE Day 4 -11 Nov '18 113,000 Acres, 29 confirmed fatalities

blancolirio
Published on Nov 11, 2018

Here's the update...North winds return.
LINKS:
Satellite views:
http://ge.ssec.wisc.edu/modis-today/i...

Cal Fire Daily brief:
https://www.facebook.com/CALFIREButte...

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[onawah]

California Forest Fires-DEW and PTSD Joe From the Carolinas
Joe just posted this on youtube:
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"California Forest Fires-DEW and PTSD. Thoughts on Directed Energy, the fires raging in california, and california fires and PTSD (posttraumatic stress disorder). "

(I hope he doesn't mind me posting it here ahead of him. )

[RunningDeer]

California Forest Fires-DEW and PTSD Joe From the Carolinas
Joe just posted this on youtube:
"California Forest Fires-DEW and PTSD. Thoughts on Directed Energy, the fires raging in california, and california fires and PTSD (posttraumatic stress disorder). "

(I hope he doesn't mind me posting it here ahead of him. )

I was just about to post this along with Joe's last link in the summary: Mental Health Resources in California (https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/services/Pages/MentalHealthPrograms-Svcs.aspx)

Subscribe here: Joe from the Carolinas (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGSmpodHNxrv27S366OS00A/videos)

[norman]

Something to see here:


-wDNohyQ1Aw


Probably a fuel tank, but is it?

[Bayareamom]

Just found this article at the Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6383999/Woman-warned-crews-needed-investigate-sparks-property-one-day-wildfire.html

Regarding the above link I posted above: Apparently, the subject (female) of this article was contacted by PG&E about power line issues that were causing 'sparks' in the area. They asked her, via email, for permission to enter her property to check this out.

SNIP:

..."The email said the company was sending employees to work on the high-power lines because 'they were having problems with sparks.'

Two days before the fire started, PG&E told customers in nine counties, including Butte County, that it might shut off their power November 8 because of extreme fire danger.

But the utility company called off the shutdown, telling customers nine hours after the Camp Fire began that the weather conditions 'did not warrant this safety measure'.

The fire started about 6.30am that morning..."

[Hervé]

California's wildfires are man-caused -- but not in the way they tell us (https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/07/30/californias-devastating-fires-are-man-caused-but-not-in-the-way-they-tell-us/amp/)

Chuck DeVore Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/07/30/californias-devastating-fires-are-man-caused-but-not-in-the-way-they-tell-us/amp/)
Tue, 13 Nov 2018 15:05 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s24/497015/large/960x0.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s24/497015/full/960x0.jpg)
The Cranston Fire burns in San Bernardino National Forest on July 26, 2018 near Idyllwild, California. Fire crews are battling the 4,700-acre fire in the midst of a heat wave. © Mario Tama/Getty Images


California is once again on fire. Northern California's Carr Fire has killed six people, two of them firefighters, and continues to burn out of control, claiming more than 700 homes and about 100,000 acres.

As a citizen-soldier in the California Army National Guard for two decades, I often heard the gallows humor quip that California's four seasons were: flood, fire, earthquake and riot.

But, what was once an expected part of living in the Golden State is now blamed on larger forces. A crisis, we are told, should never go to waste.

In that vein, the Sacramento Bee editorial board blamed the Carr Fire foursquare on a man-caused buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [:silent:]. In an editorial headlined, "The Carr Fire is a terrifying glimpse into California's future (https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article215669280.html)," they write,
"This is climate change, for real and in real time. We were warned that the atmospheric buildup of man-made greenhouse gas would eventually be an existential threat."
[:silent: :censored: :silent:] [hear (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95955-Oroville-Dam...--California-Spring-2017-current-&p=1259490&viewfull=1#post1259490) what Blancolirio has to say about the "Sacramento Bee"]

The Bee editorial board goes on to attack President Trump for proposing to end California's exceptional waiver from federal law regarding auto emissions -- in this case, California's push to curtail tailpipe carbon dioxide, something never envisioned when the Clean Air Act was debated in 1970. At the time, the concern was pollution that directly harmed health rather than carbon dioxide, a naturally occurring gas exhaled by every living animal.

The problem with the Bee's editorial is that making a passionate argument is no substitute for the truth.

In 2005 while a freshman California Assemblyman, I had the chance to visit Northern California and meet with the forest product industry professionals who grew, managed, and harvested trees on private and public lands. They told me of a worrisome trend started years earlier where both federal and state regulators were making it more and more difficult for them to do their jobs. As a result, timber industry employment gradually collapsed, falling in 2017 to half of what it was 20 years earlier, with imports from Canada, China, and other nations filling domestic need.

As timber harvesting permit fees went up and environmental challenges multiplied, the people who earned a living felling and planting trees looked for other lines of work. The combustible fuel load in the forest predictably soared. No longer were forest management professionals clearing brush and thinning trees.

But, fire suppression efforts continued. The result was accurately forecast by my forest management industry hosts in Siskiyou County in 2005: larger, more devastating fires -- fires so hot that they sterilized the soil, making regrowth difficult and altering the landscape. More importantly, fires that increasingly threatened lives and homes as they became hotter and more difficult to bring under control.

In 2001, George E. Gruell, a wildlife biologist with five decades of experience in California and other Western states, authored the book, Fire in Sierra Nevada Forests: A Photographic Interpretation of Ecological Change Since 1849 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0878424466/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0). Gruell's remarkable effort compared hundreds of landscape photographs from the dawn of photography with photos taken from the same location 100 years later or more. The difference was striking. In the 1850s and 1860s, the typical Sierra landscape was of open fields of grass punctuated by isolated pine stands and a few scattered oak trees. The first branches on the pine trees started about 20 feet up -- lower branches having been burned off by low-intensity grassfires. California's Native American population had for years shaped this landscape with fire to encourage the grasslands and boost the game animal population.

As the Gold Rush remade modern California, timber was harvested and replanted. Fires were suppressed because they threatened homes as well as burned up a valuable resource. The landscape filled in with trees, but the trees were harvested every 30 to 50 years. In the 1990s, however, that cycle began to be disrupted with increasingly burdensome regulations. The timber harvest cycle slowed, and, in some areas, stopped completely, especially on the almost 60% of California forest land owned by the federal government. Federal lands have not been managed for decades, threatening adjacent private forests, while federal funds designated for forest maintenance have been "borrowed" for fire suppression expenses. The policies frequently reduce the economic value of the forest to zero. And, with no intrinsic worth remaining, interest in maintaining the forest declined, and with it, resources to reduce the fuel load.

Some two decades ago, California produced so much wood waste from its timber operations, including brush and small trees from thinning efforts, that the resulting renewable biomass powered electric generating plants across the length of the state. But cheap, subsidized solar power, combined with air quality concerns (wood doesn't burn as cleanly as natural gas) and a lack of fuel due to cutbacks in logging, led to the closure of many biomass generators. What used to be burned safely in power generators is now burned in catastrophic fires. Including the growing capture and use of landfill methane as a fuel, California's biomass energy generation last year was 22% lower (http://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/renewables_data/biomass/) than it was 25 years before.

The issue was summarized by the Western Governors' Association in their 2006 Biomass Task Force Report (http://calforests.org/download/biomass-task-force-report-2/) which noted:

...over time the fire-prone forests that were not thinned, burn in uncharacteristically destructive wildfires, and the resulting loss of forest carbon is much greater than would occur if the forest had been thinned before fire moved through. ...failing to thin leads to a greater greenhouse gas burden than the thinning created in the first place, and that doesn't even account for the avoided fossil fuel greenhouse gas emissions due to the production of energy from the forest thinnings. In the long term, leaving forests overgrown and prone to unnaturally destructive wildfires means there will be significantly less biomass on the ground, and more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The Sacramento Bee editorial concludes with a stark warning:
"California must plan now for these and other aspects of global warming, as more of the state becomes too hot, too dry, or too fire- or flood-prone to safely live in, and as more of the world braces for the era of climate refugees."
Whether global climate change is a problem that can be solved by California is a dubious proposition -- one year's worth of emission growth in China is greater than California's total emissions. But the action needed to reduce the state's growing forest fire threat would be the same regardless of one's belief in any problems posed by climate change: start managing our forests again.
Chuck DeVore is Vice President of National Initiatives at the Texas Public Policy Foundation. He was a California Assemblyman and is a Lt. Colonel in the U.S. Army Retired Reserve.
=================================================

Staggering when one considers the whole climate change/global warming swindle is based on flawed conclusions founded on false data... :rant:

[Tam]

Below is partial article from Mike Adams, the Health Ranger. . . . .Note: I personally feel what he says is only one of the major reasons for these disasters, and I suspect there are other components at play. (i.e.PG&E mis-management of equipment, what is happening in the seismic regions BOTH naturally and as a result of our drilling for gas/oil/steam into areas we shouldn't be - and who knows what else).

From Health Ranger:
Actions have consequences, and bad actions often have bad consequences. . . . .Years ago, the California government began interfering with local efforts to bulldoze the deadwood out of forests as part of a forest management plan to reduce fire risk. This was all done, of course, under the banner of “environmentalism,” usually with emotional pleas to “save the wildlife” by leaving all the forests alone.

Year after year, the deadwood built up. It was only a matter of time, of course, before a fire would be ignited by lightning (Mother Nature’s natural fire starter). Fueled by the tremendous underbrush that was no longer being cleaned out of the forests, the fires erupted with catastrophic ferocity.

“Extreme environmentalists have shut down public access. They talk about habitat, and yet they are willing to burn it up,” warned Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke in an interview with KCRA. “This has nothing to do with climate change. This has to do with active forest management,” he said.

Complete article: https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-11-10-self-induced-disaster-california-fires-the-direct-result-of-shortsighted-environmentalist-policies.html

This seems totally valid, and I'm a conservationist/environmentalist at heart.

My question, though, is this: long before we showed up, or at least expanded to the level we are at now, forest fires were a thing. Deadwood piled up, etc. There were no humans with bulldozers around to clear the kindling, as it were.

But from what I understand, the wildfires in California have been particularly violent and massive the past 5 or so years, moreso than records show for quite a long time.

Which begs the question: how much of this is natural?

Nature somehow manages perfect harmony when humans aren't around to muck it up. Even when there's massive destruction, it's ultimately balanced out in the long-term.

Are fires really getting worse, or are they just getting worse for us, with all of our housing and towns burning along with it?

[onawah]

Read 2 posts above: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259598&viewfull=1#post1259598


Are fires really getting worse, or are they just getting worse for us, with all of our housing and towns burning along with it?

[Hervé]

[...]
Are fires really getting worse, or are they just getting worse for us, with all of our housing and towns burning along with it?
If you ever get around to read post # 74 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259598&viewfull=1#post1259598), above, you'll get an answer to that.

[Tam]

I did indeed read these posts before commenting. I don't make it a habit to simply chime in without informing myself first. :)

The thing I was getting at, and I should have been clearer in my initial post (my bad), is this: while forest management could certainly do with improvement, perhaps looking its way as the sole reason for these massive wildfires is, ultimately, an oversimplification..

Think about it for a little bit. While I don't doubt for a second that not thinning the treeline will have disastrous long-term effects, it was something that was systematically done for decades. We knew why we were doing it (lumber + fire mitigation). Then we stopped (environmental and economic reasons).

But if it was standard procedure for decades, surely we would have known what would happen when we stopped, and, by extension, not done so at the scale we have now.

Yet we did.

I understand that humans are flawed and government and big money are limitlessly greedy, (as well as incompetent), but there's a certain point where you look at this whole tree thinning thing, add up the odds and ends, and still come up short.

There's something more to the picture here.

We wouldn't just stop a basic thing like that relatively overnight. There was a degree of expertise involved in thinning the treeline; it wasn't done for ****s and giggles.

Sure, we reduced it. And as a result, wildfires are worse than they have been in our recorded history.

But something tells me there's more to it than that. That this is just one layer of it.

Now, the big question is, what is it?

[Blacklight43]

My instinct says barium and aluminum might have something to do with the intensity of some of the fires.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

My instinct says barium and aluminum might have something to do with the intensity of some of the fires.

Last year our utility district SMUD (Sacrament municipal utility dst) held a public meeting to discuss their plans to double their efforts for cloud seeding. They held the meeting in the middle of the day on a Wednesday in Strawberry, which is a long way from any population. IMO, it was purposely calculated this way so few would show up. About 12 people did, 2 of which were friends of mine.

They presented a long list of chemicals that would be used in the seeding. I wish I had saved a copy. When folks who attended questioned that several of the chemicals were highly toxic and others highly flammable, SMUD presented studies that proved that the amounts used would not be a problem.


From Indigris: Sure, we reduced it. And as a result, wildfires are worse than they have been in our recorded history.
But something tells me there's more to it than that. That this is just one layer of it.
Now, the big question is, what is it?

Yes, Many layers, and I believe they must be looked at together. Analyzing one layer alone is rather like looking at one piece of a puzzle and thinking you can see the whole puzzle.

[onawah]

I think Agenda 21 sums it all up fairly well. See:
http://stopthecrime.net/wp/
specifically: http://stopthecrime.net/wp/category/rothschild-plans-to-restructure-north-america/
(note they are currently building a new site)
Their youtube page: ults?search_query=stopthecrime.net+new
and the thread here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104047-StopTheCrime.net&highlight=stopthecrime

(Be warned: Deborah Tavares style isn't easy to listen to, and she doesn't sugarcoat anything; the info will probably make your blood run cold, but it's hard to deny, given all that we know, or at least suspect, thus far... And it cannot be stopped unless we are aware of it, and of course, that's only the first step.)

[Deux Corbeaux]

Here’s what Debora Tavares said about the North Californian "wild fires” in her video “Plan to Burn up Northern California Disclosed”

It seems the plan is being played out now in November 2018


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHKIBN2my2Y

[onawah]

747 Global Supertanker 'Camp' fire Day 6 UPDATE McClellan Load and Return
blancolirio
Published on Nov 14, 2018
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(Bit of a distraction, but their efforts certainly must be helping somewhat, at least, though I think we all agree prevention issues are the ones that really need to be addressed.)

[Bill Ryan]

...wildfires are worse than they have been in our recorded history.

But something tells me there's more to it than that. That this is just one layer of it.

Now, the big question is, what is it?

I'm not ruling out some strange factors in some instances. Some well-reported anomalies, particularly last year, do seem very hard to explain.

But yes, there have always been forest fires. Lightning strikes, and even maybe (a long time ago) neolithic campfires getting out of control. Every park ranger will tell you that forest fires are an integral part of the ecosystem, and (like floods) there's nothing actually wrong with that.

In fact, in many parks, firefighters deliberately let lightning strike fires burn — because they're purely natural, hence a response policy of no interference — and they only work fast to extinguish the ones caused by man.

But exceptionally dry conditions have changed the statistics. Historically, many fires start, and frequently, too, but almost as many are quickly extinguished — or just die out on their own because of rain or lack of dry 'fuel'.

The 'Camp Fire' seems almost certain to have been sparked by an electrical problem (maybe as simple as a downed power line) — and then, it VERY quickly spread and was really hard to contain until a horrific amount of damage had been caused.

The dry conditions, with low humidity, poor forest maintenance, and high winds (that may have dropped the badly maintained power line right on top of uncleared dry brush) were a perfect storm for the very rapid spread of any fire at all.

This is not what happened, but a massive fire like that could have been started with a dropped cigarette in just the wrong place. Really. Once it was the size of a regular campfire a few feet across, maybe just 30 seconds later, it then inevitably accelerated in size to consume over 100,000 acres.

[norman]

I'll guess that most of you will fail to get this video to run. I had to go though extensive hoops to see this and download it.


It's quite grusome, but it's what happened.


Yd_AqyPaUTg


If it won't run, try using genyoutube to get around the block.

[onawah]

I think the questions now that we have to address are: why have these extremely unsafe conditions been permitted to come about and was it deliberate or just lack of foresight?
Not to put too fine a point on it, :( but....isn't that the point for conspiracy theorists/truthseekers?
Stopthecrime.net's Deborah Tavares obviously thinks it was deliberate and part of Agenda 21, and she says she has seen the documents to prove it.

[RunningDeer]

I'll guess that most of you will fail to get this video to run. I had to go though extensive hoops to see this and download it.


It's quite grusome, but it's what happened.



Yd_AqyPaUTg


If it won't run, try using genyoutube to get around the block.

521,215 views since November 9, 2018 and 2,273 comments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd_AqyPaUTg):

amber dietz



I know him. He is a sweet guy with a heart of gold who would help anyone who needs help. Just the other day before the fire- he was getting someone’s keys out of their car that they had locked inside. I’m so sorry and sad that he experienced this horrifying event in this way!

If you happen to see this comment- Amber from Salvation Army is praying for peace in your heart brother!

https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif

This comment has over 1,700 thumbs up and 18 replies:

Angelina Ramey



Don’t report this. People need to know this kind of stuff. This ain’t no joke. I almost cried when he was saying about how happy he was to be alive. Being in that typ a situation where u see all your close friends die is really sad. Cut him sum slack. He’s gunna be traumatized with this forever.


https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif

Video Summary

Matthew Strausbaugh
Published on Nov 9, 2018




My Uncle sent me this cell phone footage of the aftermath from the firestorm. He tried to save his friends but the fire over took their position. This footage was shot on Edge Wood off Pearson Road in Paradise, California.

[avid]

Thanks for this [[ onawah's Post #83, above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259767&viewfull=1#post1259767). -- Paul ]] - health and safety of loaders of these potentially toxic substances - noone in uniform, no masks...!
Perhaps this info should be moved to.....?
A new thread ie Aerial fire prevention by tankers...






Mod note from Bill: Yes, moved to this thread (specifically about the California fires). A very valid post, but not quite the right place for it on Sierra's thread. This isn't 100% right either, but it's the best place for it right now!

[onawah]

CAMP FIRE PARADISE LOST TO AGENDA 21?
11/15/18
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/camp-fire-paradise-lost-to-agenda-21/

(The following is an example of what Joe From the Carolinas has cautioned us not to become fixated on at the cost of people who have been directly affected by the fires and need our support.
But it's also something that needs further looking into if any way is to be found to prevent further tragedies of this nature.
Whether or not there are DEWs being employed is almost irrelevant, considering how much evidence there is that chemtrails and probably weather manipulation have combined to help create the firestorms.
The most logical explanation for the explosion that is shown in the video came from Dutchsinse, imho, as being caused by underground magma (or possibly methane) that has been disturbed by drilling ops. )

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"Seventeen years after 9/11 and countless hyped-up and bizarrely-explained massacres later, many Americans feel like they’re sitting ducks for totally random, unfathomably perverse violence. Death rays from space become plausible. One may ask whether fostering this state of mind is intentional. Is this some messed-up way to keep the people in line?

The State of the Nation says “yes.” He’s posted numerous articles about these ongoing fires, which he’s calling FIREGEDDON and which he describes as having been stoked by a program involving years of geoengineering. The chemtrails are said to contain aluminum oxide derived from coal fly ash, which has purposefully dried-out the vegetation in the Southwestern US into so much kindling. He says these fires don’t behave like natural wildfires and claims that skilled arsonists have been deployed to start them, some using flame-throwing drones, Directed Energy Weapons (DEWs) mounted on military planes and also on satellites (!)

He says the immediate purpose of these fires is to distract from the election fraud that is ongoing in Florida and in Arizona and that the longterm purpose of this devastation is to implement the UN’s Agenda 21 and the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, to clear people out of the countryside and to herd them into the megacities with the One World Government’s manufactured threat of Climate Change. He quotes the following from an unnamed intelligence officer:

“Operation Torch California is a very real ongoing black operation being conducted by the US Intelligence Community in collusion with Operation Gladio. These false flag terrorist attacks are first and foremost a highly sophisticated psyop. They have many goals. And they will continue until California has been completely subjugated by the globalists.”

— Intelligence Analyst & Former US Military Officer

This video shows satellite images of the massive Camp Fire in Paradise, California, which has destroyed nearly 9,000 homes. The fire exploded at dawn, quite bizarrely, as is shown, slowed-down and zoomed-in here.

Officially, the Paradise Camp Fire is being blamed on a PG&E power line, in what’s being called a replay of the fire at Sebastopol one year ago and great hay is being made out of PG&E’s board of directors including Rothschild, Inc. Vice-Chairman Roger Kimmel.

While most of last year’s California fires remain under investigation, PG&E has been declared responsible for the wine country fires. In late September of this year, Governor Jerry Brown signed a measure that would allow PG&E to bill their customers for the future settlements, in order to prevent the utility from going bankrupt. This is a multi-billion-dollar bailout, along the lines of Wall Street in 2008. (Does anyone still want to live in California?) "

[waves]

Onowah, I have to smile that I added an apology a number of posts ago after realizing I had posted that same WTH video for the 3rd time and now you're the 4th. The video must have struck a chord.

DEWs leave signatures and the signatures of DEWS are present in spades in these fires. Fires also historically don't move as fast, burn as hot and especially are not 'selective' in the way that these suddenly repeating mass destruction patterns with the signatures are.

The 'Camp' Fire is GENOCIDE
I predict that the truth of this event will be that it was an act of massacre and genocide.
Did too many people escape the Santa Rosa/Reddings fires and lessons learned? This fire encircled and trapped people with the least number of ways out, let alone mobility due to age.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=5306cc8cf38c4252830a38d467d33728&extent=-13547810.5486%2C4824920.1673%2C-13518764.4778%2C4841526.1117%2C102100

Nov. 15 numbers: 56 dead, still missing doubled to 300.....ADDED: then at 6pm report doubled again to 631
https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/Camp-Fire-Latest-list-of-missing-people-jumps-to-13395842.php
There are FIVE people on the list that were 119 years old!!
That means that 119 years of life ended with pre-mature death by being burned alive, possibly microwaved from the inside out.


Comments on this image from the video above in post #87.
https://i.postimg.cc/cJXSbbj5/body-on-ground.jpg

"Bodies are like a bag of water which don't react well to a chemical reaction like fire however a powerful EMF like RF radiation would boil a body like water in an microwave oven. I know it sounds like tin foil hat wearing stuff but the damage to things in close proximity to the fires looks wrong, and very inconsistent the way the bodies are burned....Personally, knowing what i know about DEW weapons, these people were literally burned alive from the inside out. A normal fir would not have burned that person lying on the road to that degree of, for lack of a better description, crispiness. DEW weapons, however, burn from the inside out with powerful microwave bursts. What better way to hide testing those weapons on humans than a "wild fire"?..."


There's some god? Well, to me he has a lot of explaining to do and I'm certainly not going to be praying to 'mr supposed see all hear all' to 'interfere and help' now... some 'controlling entity' with therefore also the power to 'interfere and prevent' instead of just sitting back and watching his theater of gruesome sadism and pain inflicted on defenseless human and animal souls.

I'm just having a flood of realizations of the now permanent immediate threat at my own doorstep like millions before me in history woke up to and/or are currently under, in a way never before in my face to this extent in my stable American daily life.

[Blacklight43]

This video has a lot of answers I have been asking about the "wild fires".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1-EIuat538

[onawah]

A bit off topic, but bringing a more cheerful note to a bad situation, hopefully, and one interesting perspective on how to better cope with it, and, more generally, with this shifting paradigm we are all living in at present.
The interviewer is on my list of youtube favorites, "Living Big In A Tiny House"
He travels around the world interviewing people who are building and living in "tiny houses", and I always find his videos uplifting and relevant.

Off-Grid Artisan Tiny House Built To Escape Wildfires
Living Big In A Tiny House
Published on Nov 15, 2018

"Ryan was fortunate. With his last 28ft tiny house on wheels he managed to pull it just out of the way of the wildfires which swept through California in 2017. That experience really got him thinking about the design of his home though and he decided to build something more compact which was more easily moved."
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[waves]

This video has a lot of answers I have been asking about the "wild fires".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1-EIuat538

That report by Michael Thomas, owner of www.stateofthenation.com (http://stateofthenation2012.com/) is excellent and mandatory listening for anyone wanting a very good summary of the greater picture people who are suspecting hideous foul play are suspecting. He gets a bit 'rightist' in his blaming, but then admits the destruction can't be political targeting, and NO ONE is out of the danger zone. The site is also a huge resource of contributions about this and last year fires.

I very much agree that this long planned stage setting has been falling over all our head for years, it's in all our backyards, and we are watching test runs in California FIRST.

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It was hard to see the hard edged perimeter of destruction around the concentrated area where over 600 people are now missing, 60+ dead. Might be hard to see the streets, but there is plenty more exact same density residential area surrounding those hard edged borders. It's totally implausible that the small number of instantly available firemen could have gotten to miles and miles of perimeter in panic traffic and held hard lines in the supposed winds that caused the fiercely rapid advancement of these fires.

https://i.postimg.cc/MHTTP9Bb/perimeter-straight-lines.jpg

[onawah]

I don't dispute any of the info from Michael Thomas, but I think what we really need is more proof of the assertions, scientific, expert proof.
Otherwise, it's just too easy to discount as "conspiracy theory", "fear porn", etc.
I know it's hard to come by, but it's still necessary to get the kind of results that are needed, insofar as waking people up and stopping the destruction.
And I wish I knew where more of that kind of info would come from, but it's got to come from somewhere.

[waves]

I don't dispute any of the info from Michael Thomas, but I think what we really need is more proof of the assertions, scientific, expert proof.
Otherwise, it's just too easy to discount as "conspiracy theory", "fear porn", etc.
I know it's hard to come by, but it's still necessary to get the kind of results that are needed, insofar as waking people up and stopping the destruction.
And I wish I knew where more of that kind of info would come from, but it's got to come from somewhere.

What issues in particular have you not found enough supportive or corroborative evidence for?

Since we're not going to get the military orders outlining the long term staging and short term missions that include these fire, hurricane and false flags, we have to add up the preponderance of evidence, patterns and the signatures of manipulation and weaponization, right? I say it's all been done, it's just not all neatly organized in one place, especially not by one trustworthy source

It's quite the mess when people mostly on the right track are also horribly on the a wrong track or two at the same time - I think that's rampant. I can't think of anyone without their own blind spots, denials or some level of brainwashing and agenda.

For example, I feel Michael Thomas is on many right tracks but also has a big blindside and rightist agenda in spades, and it's especially hard for me when superweasels like Douglas Gabriel are on the other side of the table.

Makes you wonder if part of the agenda is to plant players to both expose truth and obfuscate it at the same time.

[onawah]

Yes, I wonder about that too.

Makes you wonder if part of the agenda is to plant players to both expose truth and obfuscate it at the same time.
It may be that relatively novice people who are trying to bring the info out are just so confused in general, they are inadvertently making it sound unbelievable.
Journalism is a skill that takes practice and study to master.
Getting all the info clear and organized certainly is necessary, and getting credible whistleblowers that the public will pay more attention to would certainly help too.
But such people, knowing the risks involved, are less likely to come forward unless they can do anonymously, or are at death's door with no loved ones who could be targeted in retaliation.
It's the universal dilemma with conspiracy theory in general, and this is no exception, but it's no less a crucial issue.
Maybe time for the people to just wake the ---- up so self sacrificial heroes will no longer be so necessary, irreplaceable and indispensable.

[Bill Ryan]

For example, I feel Michael Thomas is on many right tracks but also has a big blindside

It's a little hard to be certain, but it really did seem (listen carefully from 23:00) as if Michael Thomas thought the Paradise fire really had started with an actual campfire — when in fact it had been named from the location, Camp Creek Road, where it first broke out. (It was an awful name, of course.)

Hear his words, and I'd be curious what folks think. My first reaction was that he talked a lot, but had little precise knowledge. I then listened again, and then I thought he maybe just wasn't expressing himself clearly.

Note again: it has to be said, it does seem that the Camp Fire started from felled power lines that then sparked on to very dry uncleared vegetation. If this is what happened, the effect would have been like a giant Boy Scout firestarter on bone-dry tinder and kindling.

A giant fire, rapidly spreading, was the sure outcome. But what happened in earlier fires, I don't know.

[waves]

For example, I feel Michael Thomas is on many right tracks but also has a big blindside

It's a little hard to be certain, but it really did seem (listen carefully from 23:00) as if Michael Thomas thought the Paradise fire really had started with an actual campfire — when in fact it had been named from the location, Camp Creek Road, where it first broke out. (It was an awful name, of course.)

Hear his words, and I'd be curious what folks think. My first reaction was that he talked a lot, but had little precise knowledge. I then listened again, and then I thought he maybe just wasn't expressing himself clearly.

Note again: it has to be said, it does seem that the Camp Fire started from felled power lines that then sparked on to very dry uncleared vegetation. If this is what happened, the effect would have been like a giant Boy Scout firestarter on bone-dry tinder and kindling.

A giant fire, rapidly spreading, was the sure outcome. But what happened in earlier fires, I don't know.

Not at all Bill, he didn't imply he thought it was a 'campfire' at all, quite the opposite.... starting at 23:00 he went on for a minute mocking the psychological effect of downplaying something by that name starting with 'was it a campfire.....", and by 24:03 ended his diatribe on it by saying "I don't think so'.

And I don't know what has led you to stick with the 'felled power lines', I think I wrongly assumed they were implying it at first too because of those report recordings - which never did say anything fell tho. The story changed to implying 'sparks', but a CBS Evening News report showed drone footage of that exact fire starting place and the picture reeks of suspicion. I took a screenshot. A day or so after the start it shows the fire still emanating from IN FRONT of the standing tower with no broken lines..... still emanating from a nearly straight line in one direction only in these supposedly extreme winds, nothing whatsoever burning behind it.

https://i.postimg.cc/mgLFdmmP/CBS-NEWS.jpg

[AriG]

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Regarding the Camp Fire, I agree with many here who have posted the Deborah Tavares video about PG&E.

The decision to disable the high tensile power lines preemptively is a decision that would have to be approved by the Board of Directors. This is why they weren't serviced. They would claim the cost would be too high to disrupt service.

And take a look at PG&Es Board! There's even a Carnegie guy there!

http://www.pgecorp.com/corp/about-us/corporate-governance/corporation-directors.page

[onawah]

While Thomas didn't say the fire was started by a camp fire, he also didn't explain that the fire was named after a nearby landmark, a road in this case, which is common practice in such disaster cases. That makes it sound like he was omitting facts to help make his case, which is common practice among unethical journalists, and so did him no credit.
I was just looking at this article:"​SMART Meters Being Used To Implode Buildings in California During Firestorms"​ on the State of the Nation website at http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=108181 and although (again) I don't contest any of the information provided, I noticed that there were no sources of information sited, no expert witnesses quoted, documented evidence, etc.
It's very hard to make a convincing case for this kind of thing ​when there is no backup.
It just reads like opinion rather than researched reporting, and shock value alone is not convincing enough. What is needed is not more rants, but actual, substantial proof.
There is an impressive list of articles on that site, which I have not spent time exploring as yet, but I have to say that if all the articles are similar in that regard, it's a shame because it's obvious that a lot of work has been put into it, but it still may not actually do much more than preach to the choir.

[Bill Ryan]

Not at all Bill, he didn't imply he thought it was a 'campfire' at all, quite the opposite.... starting at 23:00 he went on for a minute mocking the psychological effect of downplaying something by that name starting with 'was it a campfire.....", and by 24:03 ended his diatribe on it by saying "I don't think so'.

And I don't know what has led you to stick with the 'felled power lines', I think I wrongly assumed they were implying it at first too because of those report recordings - which never did say anything fell tho. The story changed to implying 'sparks', but a CBS Evening News report showed drone footage of that exact fire starting place and the picture reeks of suspicion. I took a screenshot. A day or so after the start it shows the fire still emanating from IN FRONT of the standing tower with no broken lines..... still emanating from a nearly straight line in one direction only in these supposedly extreme winds, nothing whatsoever burning behind it.

https://i.postimg.cc/mgLFdmmP/CBS-NEWS.jpg

Yes, all agreed. I do think Michael Thomas was very unclear. I listened to that part twice, and still wasn't 100% sure what he was trying to say about the 'Camp Fire' term!

And yes re the power lines. The evidence so far seems to suggest sparks on uncleared dry brush from some kind of fault, but not actually a downed line. I think, as you say, that was an earlier (incorrect) report. Mea culpa.

[onawah]

I just saw this from Kerry Cassidy, posted 20 hours ago, and haven't watched it yet myself:
CALIFORNIA FIRES AN ON-THE-GROUND REPORT
"2 RESEARCHERS reporting from Northern California about circumstances surrounding cause of the California fires."
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[avid]

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This video is full of expletives, but so compelling. However, in the first minutes he shouts a warning to his neighbour to get out. At the end of this video a caption appears, that his neighbour’s vehicle was overcome by the fire, and that man ran, carrying 2 little girls, to escape. He is in contact with his neighbour, now safe, and I thought this story correlated with that of ‘our’ Geoff Reed’s dreadful scenario. Could it be the same person?

[norman]

This video has a lot of answers I have been asking about the "wild fires".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1-EIuat538


In this interview, as well as all the points discussed since the posting, it is pointed out that Diane Feinstein's husband, Richard Bloom, has a contract to build a high speed railway through California.


Definitely a "watch this space" item in the notebook.

[waves]

While Thomas didn't say the fire was started by a camp fire, he also didn't explain that the fire was named after a nearby landmark, a road in this case, which is common practice in such disaster cases. That makes it sound like he was omitting facts to help make his case, which is common practice among unethical journalists, and so did him no credit. ....

The other way to look at it is what I thought immediately - there's no coincidence that out of all the streets or landmarks near the fire origin the word Camp was chose over all the other choices, but not only that, the starting place chosen for the purpose of being able to use 'Camp' for the psychological manipulation benefits....... just like the 'Carr' fire was also chosen last August.

Not an opinion is that a military operation leaves nothing to chance on a mission and of course a major element, the name to sell to the public with is pre-chosen if an event really is a targeted strike like these fires have been beyond repeatedly verified to me since last year.


I was just looking at this article:"​SMART Meters Being Used To Implode Buildings in California During Firestorms"​ on the State of the Nation website at http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=108181 and although (again) I don't contest any of the information provided, I noticed that there were no sources of information sited, no expert witnesses quoted, documented evidence, etc. It's very hard to make a convincing case for this kind of thing ​when there is no backup.

How is this not asking for something unrealistic? Can every article summing up countless puzzle pieces of a BIG issue include the 100's of pages of supporting evidence throughout the internet that support it? Even the most authentic and legitimate person has to draw the line somewhere, the rest is up to you to find sources, compare and verify.

Like Smart Meters, I didn't in the least question the Smart Meter point because I've lost count of how many supportive reports/videos/images I've seen over the last few years.



It just reads like opinion rather than researched reporting, and shock value alone is not convincing enough. What is needed is not more rants, but actual, substantial proof. There is an impressive list of articles on that site, which I have not spent time exploring as yet, but I have to say that if all the articles are similar in that regard, it's a shame because it's obvious that a lot of work has been put into it, but it still may not actually do much more than preach to the choir.

What is internet proof to you in a world where any report, video, document, or testimony can all be a lie or faked? Is it 'proof' to you if CNN says so? I suspect you would have a problem with any 'proof' Thomas cited anyway.

Problem is, we're all stuck in this 'proof on the internet only' world where we have to to a lot of looking and decide for ourselves what we feel is authentic or not, no one or site is some verified trustable truth vetter. Does it mean truth is not out there, NO. There's plenty to find, but it's not going to be neatly handed to you.

[waves]

Nov. 16, 2018
6pm Butte County Camp Fire Update :
71 Dead
1,011 Missing, nearly doubled again from 631 yesterday
9,700 Homes destroyed
336 Businesses destroyed

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October, 2017
Sonoma/Napa Fires totals
26 Dead
8,900 homes/businesses destroyed

CA Governor Jerry 'moonbeam' Brown's comment:
"Things like this and worse WILL be part of our future"

[onawah]

Actually Waves, no, you are 100% wrong, and frankly, I don't think you really suspect that I "would have a problem with any 'proof' Thomas cited anyway."
I think you just want to pick a fight, and I'm not interested.
Try again and I will put you on my Ignore list, and you will have to find someone else to annoy.
If you haven't been paying attention to anyone else's posts but your own, then you should know better than to make such an accusation.

Anyone who has read the threads about Corey Goode and company, and the real journalists and researchers such as Daniel Liszt, Richard Dolan, our own Bill Ryan, etc. who have picked apart their wild claims and shown again and again that there is NO PROOF whatsoever of what they claim should be able to see and know that it is pretty much agreed, that PROOF is the test of good reporting, and what makes the public change its' mind about the things they've been brainwashed into believing.

OBVIOUSLY, Agenda 21 is a whole different matter, but documentation, expert and credible eye witnesses, info from insider whistleblowers who are willing to reveal what they know despite the risk are still necessary to pass the litmus test.

There HAVE been eye witness accounts, and people with credentials who have offered expert opinions and accounts, Deborah Tavares claims she has documented proof, but on the particular complex issues that comprise Agenda 21, there is still not a united or organized enough front to have the effect that is needed now, because people's lives are on the line.
THAT'S what I'm saying, and I'm NOT complaining about the evidence that has been compiled, I'm just stating a fact, and you've admitted pretty much the same thing yourself.
You wrote:

Since we're not going to get the military orders outlining the long term staging and short term missions that include these fire, hurricane and false flags, we have to add up the preponderance of evidence, patterns and the signatures of manipulation and weaponization, right? I say it's all been done, it's just not all neatly organized in one place, especially not by one trustworthy source

It's quite the mess when people mostly on the right track are also horribly on the a wrong track or two at the same time - I think that's rampant. I can't think of anyone without their own blind spots, denials or some level of brainwashing and agenda.

For example, I feel Michael Thomas is on many right tracks but also has a big blindside and rightist agenda in spades, and it's especially hard for me when superweasels like Douglas Gabriel are on the other side of the table.

Makes you wonder if part of the agenda is to plant players to both expose truth and obfuscate it at the same time.

I have friends living in critical areas on the West Coast who are still unaware and unconvinced that anything diabolical is going on. I wish to God I had a couple of really good sites that I could point to that would convince them they are in danger. I hope now that the info that has been gathered is enough, that enough people will be aware enough to organize to protect themselves and take action, that it's reached critical mass now and will morph into a form that will be organized and clear and convincing enough to make enough difference that the elite will have to STOP what they are doing.
That requires cool heads, clear thinking, organization and perseverance, not emotionalism and hysteria and self-indulgence. I hope there are some heroes out there who are up to the task.
Most people don't have time to do all the combining and coordinating and fact checking necessary for themselves, but a team of dedicated people working together could do it, and that's what I'm praying for, because so far this movement is still too fragmented.
In short, I hope humanity has reached the point of saying ENOUGH!

[Bill Ryan]

Not at all Bill, he didn't imply he thought it was a 'campfire' at all, quite the opposite.... starting at 23:00 he went on for a minute mocking the psychological effect of downplaying something by that name starting with 'was it a campfire.....", and by 24:03 ended his diatribe on it by saying "I don't think so'.

And I don't know what has led you to stick with the 'felled power lines', I think I wrongly assumed they were implying it at first too because of those report recordings - which never did say anything fell tho. The story changed to implying 'sparks', but a CBS Evening News report showed drone footage of that exact fire starting place and the picture reeks of suspicion. I took a screenshot. A day or so after the start it shows the fire still emanating from IN FRONT of the standing tower with no broken lines..... still emanating from a nearly straight line in one direction only in these supposedly extreme winds, nothing whatsoever burning behind it.

https://i.postimg.cc/mgLFdmmP/CBS-NEWS.jpg

Yes, all agreed. I do think Michael Thomas was very unclear. I listened to that part twice, and still wasn't 100% sure what he was trying to say about the 'Camp Fire' term!

And yes re the power lines. The evidence so far seems to suggest sparks on uncleared dry brush from some kind of fault, but not actually a downed line. I think, as you say, that was an earlier (incorrect) report. Mea culpa.

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Just a little more on this. I'm ONLY reporting facts here :) — in this case, the recorded initial Cal Fire dispatch audio.

I am NOT stating or arguing that power lines were actually down, and this is what definitely caused the fire. But in this audio, one can clearly hear the engines one by one reporting back to the female dispatcher, saying: "COPY, POWER LINES DOWN." The repeated phrase, from each engine, is easy to hear.

2 minute audio here: (do listen)


http://projectavalon.net/Initial_Cal_Fire_dispatch_audio_8_Nov_2018.mp3

Which was extracted from this page (https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-Power-line-had-problems-before-Camp-Fire-13379438.php).

But, caveats:


"power lines down" might simply mean a fault, like "normal operation is down". They do seem to be confirming the received information: "power line hazard".
And/or, the engines might not have reached the scene yet, and the "power lines down" was the initial report that was being communicated for investigation.

There's evidence for that, because on this page


https://mercurynews.com/2018/11/09/pge-power-lines-may-have-sparked-deadly-butte-county-wildfire-according-to-radio-transmissions

One can read (my added red emphasis)



At around 6:33 a.m. Thursday, firefighters received a call from Poe Dam that a vegetation fire started under the high tension power lines, above the Feather River. The caller reported downed power lines and firefighters first on scene found a 10-acre blaze nearing brush and timber not maintained by PG&E. The firefighters asked dispatch to evacuate the town of Pulga, immediately southwest of the dam.
Once more: I'm NOT arguing that this was what actually happened. But above, when I posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1259979#post1259979)
it does seem that the Camp Fire started from felled power lines...I had to go back and check the original sources to make sure my memory was all in one piece. (And, I'm happy that it is. :) )

:focus:

[onawah]

A little mordant humor:
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One thing everyone can do to help stop it: https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/the-appeal

[Hervé]

[...]
...I had to go back and check the original sources to make sure my memory was all in one piece. (And, I'm happy that it is. :) )

There was also this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259590&viewfull=1#post1259590) and the article it referenced:

Woman was warned by power company that crews needed to investigate sparks on her property one day before wildfire broke out nearby killing 42 in Paradise (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6383999/Woman-warned-crews-needed-investigate-sparks-property-one-day-wildfire.html)

... indicating that somewhere on the Pugla area (where the fire started a few hours later), sparks were reported which indicates in turn that the line(s) was/were arching.


A woman who owns property near the point where a deadly wildfire started in Northern California (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/california/index.html) says she was warned by a utility company last week that crews would need to come onto her land to investigate power lines causing sparks.

The fire started last Thursday in an area of 64 acres of land in Pulga, California, owned by Betsy Ann Cowley. It engulfed the nearby town of Paradise, killing 42 people.

Cowley said she had received an email the day before, on Wednesday, from Pacific Gas & Electric Co saying that crews needed to come to her property.

[waves]

Actually Waves, no, you are 100% wrong, and frankly, I don't think you really suspect that I "would have a problem with any 'proof' Thomas cited anyway."
I think you just want to pick a fight, and I'm not interested.
Try again and I will put you on my Ignore list, and you will have to find someone else to annoy.
If you haven't been paying attention to anyone else's posts but your own, then you should know better than to make such an accusation.....

I'm so not your enemy Onawah, I apologize for the way that statement came off, it wasn't at all meant in a picking a fight or mean way at all. I said it because you had said you weren't yet fully buying the deliberate targeting of these fires and I feel there is way enough preponderance of evidence for it. I had replied asking you what fire related issues you haven't found enough evidence for yet and you didn't give me that answer.

I said that from frustration at being surrounded for so long by people who keep saying where's the proof when I know I can't give them anything they would accept. Don't you know people like that too? I know there isn't anything but great preponderance of evidence + common sense, but 'proofers' don't see it that way.


...Most people don't have time to do all the combining and coordinating and fact checking necessary for themselves, but a team of dedicated people working together could do it, and that's what I'm praying for, because so far this movement is still too fragmented....

They also don't have the interest... or driving need from feeling the danger I guess. It would take an enormous amount of time reading viewpoints they pre-detest to change their minds - that's not going to happen.

But I get that your lamenting is more frustration at not having credible journalism sources outlining the big picture with supportive proof to be able to show to friends in danger. I agree there are none.

I think we've agreed that we're stuck with the big problem of the messengers shooting themselves in the foot for going off on a really wrong tangent in the middle of valid stuff and it's very hard to find anybody 100% credible, comprehensive or providing adequate support. The closed minded just jump on the off base things and discard the whole thing while puffing up and saying I told you so.


.In short, I hope humanity has reached the point of saying ENOUGH!

Yes, I'm afraid these genocides and brazen home wipe outs are indications of how emboldened the enemy feels. For me, being surrounded by hopelessly closedminded sheeple totally disinterested in questioning and doing ZERO research... and ARGUING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE WORK... is worse than this vulnerability to the brazen enemy.

Without that huge awakening and organizing and saying ENOUGH they are going to be the primary reason the enemy succeeds.

[norman]

Eyewitness barely makes it out alive in California fire storm


AddUKu9CIXM
https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AN66SAxZNMK5tx4YEfqRmJY3TS3_WpzAWnGa0n7Ejg=s48-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv0dEcvXLOf4ZFvjCahK4Lw)American Intelligence Media (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv0dEcvXLOf4ZFvjCahK4Lw)
Published on 17 Nov 2018



Douglas Gabriel interviews Robert Otey in his first-hand account of what it was like on the ground as the California firestorm broke out. After listening to this video, you may want to help Robert. His website is www.feandft.com (http://www.feandft.com) . His paypal account is robert@feandft.com.

[onawah]

You wrote: " I said it because you had said you weren't yet fully buying the deliberate targeting of these fires and I feel there is way enough preponderance of evidence for it."
I don't recall saying that anywhere, though I DID say that there is already proof enough that the fires are the result of weather engineering (causing drought), chemtrailing (with aluminum and other incendiaries infiltrating the soil), possibly (according to Dutchsinse) underground explosions of magma (possibly triggered by tens of thousands of drilling ops, many of them right on faults and active and inactive volcano sites) which could be setting off fires and heating and drying up the ground even more.
That was NOT meant as an implication that DEWs and other methods are not being employed.
On the contrary, it was meant to show that there are a LOT of unnatural causes for these fires.
I suggest you read this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259875&viewfull=1#post1259875
...and see if you did not misinterpret my statements and perhaps Joe of the Carolinas' as well. See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100187-Deadly-unusual-wildfires-in-California-as-well-as-worldwide&p=1186019&viewfull=1#post1186019
I suspect you did, and that is one reason why I did not answer you in the way you expected; first things first, and I hope that is cleared up now.
I also felt that you were in your own words: " going off on a really wrong tangent in the middle of valid stuff" by getting what seemed to be defensive about the whole issue of the naming of the Camp fire and the value of State of the Nation. The former I felt was kind of trivial compared to the rest of the info that is coming out now.
As for SotN, I think there's a lot of great info there, but again, if all the many articles there are like the one I cited, it is lacking in documentation, citing of expert testimony, and other references that are the only real way to make all that great info convincing enough to be useful in opening the eyes of the unawakened, which is the main problem now, as I see it.
We certainly do agree that "ARGUING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE WORK" is not helpful, but it may be the only way that blind spots can be identified and corrected.
Until we who are doing the work, in whatever capacity, get our own trips more together, there's less chance that we are going to be able to bring the much more recalcitrant ones who simply don't want to know or refuse to believe, to open their eyes and ears to the truth of the situation.
Hopefully we can start for our own part by being more clear and paying closer attention here where we are on allied territory.




Actually Waves, no, you are 100% wrong, and frankly, I don't think you really suspect that I "would have a problem with any 'proof' Thomas cited anyway."
I think you just want to pick a fight, and I'm not interested.
Try again and I will put you on my Ignore list, and you will have to find someone else to annoy.
If you haven't been paying attention to anyone else's posts but your own, then you should know better than to make such an accusation.....

I'm so not your enemy Onawah, I apologize for the way that statement came off, it wasn't at all meant in a picking a fight or mean way at all. I said it because you had said you weren't yet fully buying the deliberate targeting of these fires and I feel there is way enough preponderance of evidence for it. I had replied asking you what fire related issues you haven't found enough evidence for yet and you didn't give me that answer.

I said that from frustration at being surrounded for so long by people who keep saying where's the proof when I know I can't give them anything they would accept. Don't you know people like that too? I know there isn't anything but great preponderance of evidence + common sense, but 'proofers' don't see it that way.


...Most people don't have time to do all the combining and coordinating and fact checking necessary for themselves, but a team of dedicated people working together could do it, and that's what I'm praying for, because so far this movement is still too fragmented....

They also don't have the interest... or driving need from feeling the danger I guess. It would take an enormous amount of time reading viewpoints they pre-detest to change their minds - that's not going to happen.

But I get that your lamenting is more frustration at not having credible journalism sources outlining the big picture with supportive proof to be able to show to friends in danger. I agree there are none.

I think we've agreed that we're stuck with the big problem of the messengers shooting themselves in the foot for going off on a really wrong tangent in the middle of valid stuff and it's very hard to find anybody 100% credible, comprehensive or providing adequate support. The closed minded just jump on the off base things and discard the whole thing while puffing up and saying I told you so.


.In short, I hope humanity has reached the point of saying ENOUGH!

Yes, I'm afraid these genocides and brazen home wipe outs are indications of how emboldened the enemy feels. For me, being surrounded by hopelessly closedminded sheeple totally disinterested in questioning and doing ZERO research... and ARGUING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE WORK... is worse than this vulnerability to the brazen enemy.

Without that huge awakening and organizing and saying ENOUGH they are going to be the primary reason the enemy succeeds.

[Bill Ryan]

Eyewitness barely makes it out alive in California fire storm

AddUKu9CIXM


:bump:

MUST LISTEN.

Important points, I think: —>


He's an intelligent, articulate, well-informed man. I found him far more precise and concise, and much easier to listen to, than Michael Thomas (post #93 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259952&viewfull=1#post1259952)).
He's an eyewitness not [just] to the fire, but to the anomalous, inexplicable way the fire spread. An important distinction to be emphasized. His account is compelling, and may be important.
It's very clear that hundreds more died than have been so far reported, and that the full scale of this hasn't yet been properly described in any media.

[waves]

.....
Just a little more on this. I'm ONLY reporting facts here :) — in this case, the recorded initial Cal Fire dispatch audio.

I am NOT stating or arguing that power lines were actually down, and this is what definitely caused the fire. But in this audio, one can clearly hear the engines one by one reporting back to the female dispatcher, saying: "COPY, POWER LINES DOWN." The repeated phrase, from each engine, is easy to hear.....

Yes my turn to mea culpa, a first observer said the words 'power lines down' and I was even the first to question it! In this thread I immediately kept asking if anything in that report had been verified - if anyone had actually visited what that caller also described as the 'nearly inaccessible' location because I smelled a rat that reeked of an immediate cover story to blame PGE.

I forgot I wrote that, my circuits are slowing from sitting in this toxic smoke for 10 days.

The cover story immediately changed to 'sparks' and then 'problem' because nothing had fallen... and any talk of the cause has been dead silent ever since. No need to say any more, the seed has been planted.

But I'm mostly replying here to emphasize what I tried to point out right away - notice the cover story being planted.

I believe PGE was set up from the beginning to be the cover story. The fire was deliberately started near a nearly inaccessible tower (also near where they could name the fire 'camp' ) so someone would see it and report it. PGE as a player was in on it as the patsy having been assured they would lose no money like with Santa Rosa. GuvMoonbeam had literally just signed a bill to let PGE pass any Santa Rosa costs onto PGE clients.

They fixed two things they learned from last year - immediately have a fall guy, and start from one place, not try to get away with 100 separate fires starting at the same moment blaming the wind.

Here's a sharper picture of the fire emanating from a nearly straight line in winds high enough to very quickly incinerate 10,000+ houses in all directions up ahead.

https://i.postimg.cc/rpmZLR58/landsat-satellite-start.png

[James Newell]

He has definitely did his part in making the future worse.

[Franny]

We see that the ideology of the global controllers is that they never let a disaster go unexploited.

It's years and decades of preparation; one step at a time, one absurd law at a time, another phase of social engineering and perception management to lull the unsuspecting into believing anything, including that this is just global weather change.

This fire may have started as typical electric fire but the nature of the fire does not look typical, even with the years of chemical aerosol sprays and droughts that can greatly accelerated fires.

I lived in the California mountains for many years and watched and experienced many fires including 4 major fires that sent residents off the mountain on evacuation orders. The last major fire I experienced was in late October 2007 that burned in San Diego, San Bernardino and Riverside counties all at once. It was in a dry fall and it moved fast, sped on by drought, hot dry winds and chemical aerosol sprays.

The houses were burned out skeletons, some much worse than others, but nothing like the pile of white ash with a few odds and ends we have seen the last few years. These 'new' fires that can burn one half of a house to the ground, leaving the other half intact and undamaged are a different sort of beast.

The fires are the main reason I left the mountains.

[onawah]

Camp' Fire UPDATE Nov. 17 2018
blancolirio
Published on Nov 17, 2018
"The number of missing folks up to over 1000. President Trump visits the devastated town of Paradise, Ca."
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(A lot of the newly homeless of Paradise were there because of the reconstruction of the Oroville dam. Sad that their heroic efforts to save the dam are being repaid with this tragedy.)

[onawah]

I lived in Northern California for 20 years from '72 to '92; in Oakland during the devastating Oakland fires, in the Santa Cruz mountains during mudslides that wiped out a whole hillside community next to the one where I lived, in SF during the great quake of '89, after which I moved back to Santa Cruz, which had been devastated by the '89 quake, with most of the old brick buildings downtown destroyed.
The only disaster they haven't had yet is tsunami, and with the "slow slip" Dutchsinse has been telling us about, if and when the "big one" hits, something like what happened to Japan could be in store for CA. soon.
I had only been in CA. for 2 months when I was hit and nearly killed by a drunk hit and run driver, but was very hard to leave that great climate 20 years later, but it was a huge relief once I left.
But my dearest friends are still living in coastal CA. and I am worried to death about them. :(

We see that the ideology of the global controllers is that they never let a disaster go unexploited.

It's years and decades of preparation; one step at a time, one absurd law at a time, another phase of social engineering and perception management to lull the unsuspecting into believing anything, including that this is just global weather change.

This fire may have started as typical electric fire but the nature of the fire does not look typical, even with the years of chemical aerosol sprays and droughts that can greatly accelerated fires.

I lived in the California mountains for many years and watched and experienced many fires including 4 major fires that sent residents off the mountain on evacuation orders. The last major fire I experienced was in late October 2007 that burned in San Diego, San Bernardino and Riverside counties all at once. It was in a dry fall and it moved fast, sped on by drought, hot dry winds and chemical aerosol sprays.

The houses were burned out skeletons, some much worse than others, but nothing like the pile of white ash with a few odds and ends we have seen the last few years. These 'new' fires that can burn one half of a house to the ground, leaving the other half intact and undamaged are a different sort of beast.

The fires are the main reason I left the mountains.

[onawah]

Jerry Brown playing the "carbon emissions" card again
Transcript: California Gov. Jerry Brown on "Face the Nation," Nov. 18, 2018 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-california-gov-jerry-brown-on-face-the-nation-nov-18-2018/
GOV. BROWN: "Yes. So that's a big, big win. The president not only has signed a presidential declaration giving California substantial funding, but he said and pledged very specifically to- to continue to help us. That he's got our back. And I thought that was a very positive thing. There have been some back and forth between California leaders and the president. But in this- in the face of tragedy people tend to rise above some of their lesser propensities. So I think we're on a good path, but it's still going to be difficult because the only way to ensure the long term forest health is not just, you know, cutting trees it's going to require reducing carbon emissions and eventually sooner rather than later to zero. And if we don't do that you're going to see these fires not only continuing, but getting worse by the year as they are. The last five years, the fires have never been this bad. This fire in Malibu is the worst they've ever seen. This fire in- in Paradise and Northern California was the worst in the history of California. So yeah, you can mull the science, but I'll tell you every year it's going to get clearer and clearer so that I think in less than five years even the worst skeptics are going to be believers." :facepalm:

[avid]

Blancolirio’s evidence is so poignant, yet Robert Otey’s is more substantive in the ‘big picture of things’, being set up for a fall, using the power company as a ‘patsy’ rings true to me. So convenient. Yet the huge explosion caught on worldview was undeniable. It is apparent that the elite have no qualms to destroy for profit. They are total psychopaths in charge of our governments globally. Time for a take-down via truth.
I found this from Robert’s videos, his mission is honesty, freedom and goodwill, this is what has happened to him recently (thankfully, he is safe at the moment)
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So sad for all his neighbours, many many missing.

[onawah]

Are you sure that is the video you meant to post, Avid? Otey is on a rant about flat earthers in this one, not about the fires.
Blancolirio’s evidence is so poignant, yet Robert Otey’s is more substantive in the ‘big picture of things’, being set up for a fall, using the power company as a ‘patsy’ rings true to me. So convenient. Yet the huge explosion caught on worldview was undeniable. It is apparent that the elite have no qualms to destroy for profit. They are total psychopaths in charge of our governments globally. Time for a take-down via truth.
I found this from Robert’s videos, his mission is honesty, freedom and goodwill, this is what has happened to him recently (thankfully, he is safe at the moment)
yZQouJPAbBE
So sad for all his neighbours, many many missing.

[Bill Ryan]

Are you sure that is the video you meant to post, Avid? Otey is on a rant about flat earthers in this one, not about the fires.
Blancolirio’s evidence is so poignant, yet Robert Otey’s is more substantive in the ‘big picture of things’, being set up for a fall, using the power company as a ‘patsy’ rings true to me. So convenient. Yet the huge explosion caught on worldview was undeniable. It is apparent that the elite have no qualms to destroy for profit. They are total psychopaths in charge of our governments globally. Time for a take-down via truth.
I found this from Robert’s videos, his mission is honesty, freedom and goodwill, this is what has happened to him recently (thankfully, he is safe at the moment)
yZQouJPAbBE
So sad for all his neighbours, many many missing.

Yes, she meant to post that. :)

And I really appreciated it. Calling out the Flat Earthers for their theft of his work while swinging his axe and stating clearly how angry he was was a great piece of emphatic drama. :muscle:

I wish him well. He'll bounce back... he's a strong man. The video interview he did with AIM (Douglas Gabriel) yesterday was very compelling. Here it is again. It needs to be heard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AddUKu9CIXM

[avid]

Yes, this video affirms his commitment to humanity via truth, and his frustration is commendable, on his soon-to-be burned home. Thank goodness he survived.
As an aside - this is who he is... nWip5nVpw54
Very intellectual, concise, well-researched, and opening doors some folk want kept shut.

[onawah]

OK, establishing the importance of this whistleblower, whose interview on American Intelligence Media http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AddUKu9CIXM really was great. I just thought we were getting off topic, but I see the point.

[James Newell]

The blame game of geo enginneering the planet is definitely being played by the global warming crowd. They get off with that excuse and can get the carbon tax credits and take down the US production capabilities all in one go. Seeing all those burnt houses with green trees around many still standing is without question some kind of weapon that can specifically target buildings.

[pyrangello]

In the video that Bill has re-posted by Robert, one interesting thing I picked up on when Robert was speaking about a possible link to the chemtrail spraying, He stated they were spraying extremely heavy and very low prior to the fires days before, then in another comment he stated the tops of the trees were on fire first and then piles of wood were sprouting up as if it was instantaneous combustion within 20 ft from him. Which I thought was weird since why wasn't Robert going up in flames to. What is the difference between Robert and a pile of dried wood or the tops of trees???.

Lets continue, I really didn't give it much thought as a link from chemtrails to Agenda 2030 or 50 to this particular fire. But as Robert described his area , the fires rapid speed I believe due to the winds but mostly these instant bursts of flames without dropping cinders as he described. On to the next subject ...................

Robert mentioned in his interview that he believed that in the chemtrails they are spraying aluminum and magnesium in a particle form. Since my background is welding, there is one interesting fact about magnesium in particular that rang my bells. As a welder whenever I welded on magnesium I was forewarned prior to welding not to get that metal to hot when welding ? Why, its a metal , who cares? Here's a thought very thought provoking slant. When magnesium gets to hot and starts to burn even as a solid metal when welding- if it catches on fire and starts burning it WILL NOT go out. It will burn up until there is no more magnesium left, you can put it in water, bury it in dirt and yep that's right it will just keep burning all the way baby.

I really didn't give this much thought about this fire as just being a bad fire with dry woods and high winds in deep canyons, but what if one particular area was indeed layered with this metal strategically where it would get things really going as Robert was saying, which brings me back to as why he didn't go up as he probably takes a shower everyday and no dust on him .............

[avid]

The accelerant was purported to be aluminium, which was dusted everywhere for months, and acted like magnesium whilst on fire, unstoppable, very hot, very quick, and directed by winds instantaneous, leaving partial burns left and right. Potentially attracted by houses with ‘smart meters’? We shall see....

[James Newell]

Seems difficult to link to infowars.com shows these days but go to their site and find the below link. Between the 10 bil train deal, and the cut rate real estate soon to be bought up maybe the mystery is as simple as follow the money trail.
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Maps Show Democratic Plan to Use Wildfires For Landgrab


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBmmTahk8lo

[DNA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AddUKu9CIXM


Good video. Discussion is around the fire and how probable spraying of nano-metals was taking place, the normal batch of chemtrail stuff already has aluminum in it, my guess would be that they added iron oxide which would give them a form of thermite.


Thermite is a material used in welding to melt metals together. It's a mixture of metallic aluminum and iron oxide (ferric oxide), which produces molten iron after a redox reaction. When the aluminum and oxygen in the mixture combine, the thermite will ignite, generating high temperatures.

[waves]

This 'coincidence' jumped out at me.

Before the Saturday joint visit by Pres. Trump/Gov. Brown/Gov. Elect Newsom:
Paradise Sheriff Cory Honea had been holding a press conference every night at 6pm with reps from all primary related agencies announcing the day's activity, progress and death/missing updates and taking questions. He had repeatedly emphasized that during the whole event his intention was to 'be as transparent' as possible.

After the Saturday joint visit by Pres. Trump/Gov. Brown/Gov. Elect Newsom:
The first thing he said at the 6pm press conference: "This will be the last press conference".

I expect .... that once again.... that both the human and animal after effects of the extreme levels of devastation and death will be downplayed and practically forgotten soon in the msm. There were minimum follow up stories for a very short time here in Santa Rosa and NO investigative reporting of details. There were no follow up stories about the Redding devastation last July/August.

Worse, in Santa Rosa the msm quickly more highlighted 'happy' stories of found animals, found wedding rings or rescued goats. That was especially disgusting to me and so insulting to the 20,000 others suddenly finding themselves with nothing but the pajamas they barely escaped with.

Right now in Butte County there are 1,200 still missing, 10,000+ homes destroyed.

This could mean 1,200 people were burned alive.

I think the downplaying of these events is a significant part of the agenda like is done in all wars.

[Bill Ryan]

This could mean 1,200 people were burned alive.


It's dreadful to think about, but this might be true. Robert Otey pointed out how many cars were burned out by the side of the road, with their doors closed.

Who flees for their life from a burning vehicle, being careful to close the car door behind them?

[Franny]

High octane speculation anyone? An interesting contribution by Joseph Ferrell today with extra splash of octane.

https://gizadeathstar.com/2018/11/the-ca-fires-strangeness-squared/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GizaDeathStar+%28Giza+Death+Star%29

NOVEMBER 19, 2018 17 COMMENTS

THE CA FIRES: STRANGENESS SQUARED
There is no doubt about it: by far and away the largest group of articles I received this week were about the California fires, and the strangeness some people are seeing, reporting, or speculating about them. The theories are now almost as strange as the fires themselves, and now include disappearing people and smart meters as well as exotic and/or directed energy weaponry, to failing power grid infrastructure and incompetent governance and forestry.

Here's what's accumulated so far (and my thanks to all of you who have passed on articles, personal observations, and speculations):

(1) The Exotic/directed energy hypothesis: This article has some excellent pictures from the area plus a video shot from space:

See the Camp Fire from space (https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article221428245.html)

The question everyone is asking (including myself), is how fires hot enough to burn and melt houses and metal rims in automobiles, can leave nearby trees untouched. One gentleman kindly wrote me and offered the pictures from the fires from Chicago and San Francisco over a hundred years ago as proof that such things can happen naturally, no exotic energy technologies needed. I asked him to post his comment under last week's blog on the fires, and I don't know whether he did or not, but I'm grateful nonetheless, for any input on these freakish fires and any data is helpful. Nature is full of surprises, to be sure, and I've no doubt there are any number of scientists willing to step forward and offer naturalistic explanations. The trouble is, I'm still not buying; these types of explanations seem to me to have the same gritty feel and malodorous smell that the 9/11 twin towers collapse-by-burning-airplane-fuel have.

But there's a new entry into the hypotheses being advanced to explain these fires:

(2) The Smart Meter Theory:

Are SMART meters involved with the destruction of so many homes in California that did not burn but exploded? (https://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=107951)

This submission, as noted, is by "someone on the ground" in California, offering his or her own thesis:

My theory is this: the drones or satellites with these weapon systems can target electronic digital signatures on the ground in the form of . . . wait for it . . . “SMART METERS” which give off a radio / WIFI field signature even in the dark! So when the grid goes down these embedded transceivers go dark and cannot be targeted? You have to ask the question: Is PG&E on to this silent warfare scenario and just trying to cover their corporate asses?

How else do these brick and stone structures with tile or metal roofs burn to the ground in the middle of parking lots with no flammable forest around? Hmmmmm??? We are being targeted for destruction by whoever is controlling these weapon platforms and they’re targeting the most conservative parts of California and the good hardworking people who live here! Entire towns have been completely destroyed, ie. Santa Rosa, Middletown, parts of Redding and now Paradise?

You may be thinking, OK, what is this old guy smoking here? So to prove my point I submit to you a link to a 32-second video posted by the Sacramento Bee that shows a NASA GOES satellite view of northern California on the morning of the start of the “Camp Fire”! Has a quaint ring to it, a camp fire? Makes me feel all warm and cozy, how about you? Take a look...

At this juncture, while no link is cited in the article, it appears that "GW", the author or authoress of the article, appears to be referring to the video which leads the first article linked above. If one watched closely, there appear to be blue dots that appear at the beginning of the video, one of which appears close to the origin point of the Camp Fire fire. But whether these are laser points or some sort of photographic markers is unclear. Also, strangely enough, if one watches the video closely, in the upper left quadrant of the video, there is a "something" which is clearly not a cloud, and clearly moving at tremendous velocity.

In any case, "GW" ends his or her post with this lapidary observation, which is as good a way of summarizing what the problem is for many of us observing the torching of California from afar:

How does a huge logging truck burn to the ground on I-5 near Lake Head, actually melt down and yet the logs did not burn up? Logs = wood = sources of fire and heat in a “campfire” or wood stove? Not even charred? A little common sense and observation tell me there is something very wrong with that picture?

No question about it, there is something wrong with this picture.

I cannot resist stepping right to the end of the twig of high octane speculation on this one, for last week I also blogged about the appearance near Milford Texas of a wireless power transmission tower, shades of Nicola Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower (and the resemblance is more than palpable). Tesla's idea was, you'll recall, to broadcast electrical power; no need to plug your appliance into the wall socket, just "tune" it like a radio to the correct frequency, and the circuit was closed and the appliance functioned. Now, as "GW" noted, PG&E(Pacific Gas and Electric) was turning off power in various places as a "precaution" against fires:

PG&E has recently implemented a program here in the north state (which just so happens to be the most conservative area of California) where in “wind events” like this forecasted again tonight, they shut down the grid as a “precaution” to allegedly mitigate wind damage and fire from falling trees, limbs etc on power lines? You wanna buy a bridge…in Brooklyn?

My theory is this: the drones or satellites with these weapon systems can target electronic digital signatures on the ground in the form of . . . wait for it . . . “SMART METERS” which give off a radio / WIFI field signature even in the dark! So when the grid goes down these embedded transceivers go dark and cannot be targeted? You have to ask the question: Is PG&E on to this silent warfare scenario and just trying to cover their corporate asses?

So my speculation is this: what if some Tesla-like broadcast power system was already operative, and the smart meters - following GW's line of thinking - were simply used to "close the circuit"? Also in line with "GW's" thinking, PG&E suffered massive stock market losses, which were quickly recouped:

"The Whole Town Is Gone": Dramatic Drone Footage Reveals Scale Of Fire Destruction In Paradise, CA
(https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-15/whole-town-gone-dramatic-drone-footage-reveals-scale-fire-destruction-paradise-ca)
See also:

As PG&E Implodes, These Hedge Funds Are Getting Destroyed (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-15/pge-implodes-these-hedge-funds-are-getting-destroyed)

So in addition to my own high octane speculations on the how, one has to wonder about the why, the motivation, and whether - as GW suggests - the fires are for "social engineering", i.e., to drive out one type of population to be supplanted by another, and in addition to that, a deliberate assault on PG&E and various hedge funds?

There is another article on the smart meter theory, with a picture toward the end of the article of a fire near an external electrical junction:

SMART Meters Being Used To Implode Buildings in California During Firestorms (https://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=108181)

If the smart meter theory is true, then it carries a disturbing implication: cooperate with us, or will implode your home.

If the smart meter theory is true, then it carries a disturbing implication: cooperate with us, or will implode your home.

(3) The High Speed Rail Coincidence Theory:

This one I mentioned last week when someone tweeted a comparison of the regions of the fires and the high speed rail routes. One individual also wrote and said that a closer look would reveal that the route of the rail and some of the fires in the central valley are not coterminous, and on closer look, it looks that way to me too. So chalk that one up in the "miss" column, but the theory is out there, and it should be mentioned.

(4) The Terrorism Theoru:

You knew it had to happen; with so many suspicious anomalies surrounding the fires, eventually someone would claim terrorism is the source:

ISIS Group Claims California Wildfires Are Retribution, Vows 'You Will See More Fires' (https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/isis-group-claims-california-wildfires-are-retribution-vows-you-will-see-more-fires/)

Well, when in doubt, blame the Russians, and if that won't work, blame Islamicism.

And finally, there is the

(5) Forestry Mismanagement theory:

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Now, I've no doubt that a lot of the fire problem is related to poor forestry; it can and does happen. My problem here is the same as my problem with the Chicago fires explanation: it may explain some, but not all of what we're seeing.

Finally, I mention this article, not for its "political message", but rather for the summary of the timeline of events it contains:

California Residents Trapped and Killed When Fires Were Started All Around the Town’s Perimeter [videos] (http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2018/11/17/california-residents-trapped-and-killed-when-fires-were-started-all-around-the-towns-perimeter-videos/)

Here's the timeline from that article:

My Notes:

A month or two before the fire, something was dropped from the sky, (in summer time) that looked like snow and tiny worms. Some stuck to her sliding glass door, and it was so peculiar she took photos of it. (Was it a fire accelerant???)

A week or two before fire: Helicopters hovering over Paradise Town, doing circles like they were surveying the land.

3 Days before the Fire, PG&E Called and Emailed residents of Paradise warning them of a fire potential on Thursday and telling people to have their fire plans ready. Each day of the 3 days before the fire, PG&E called the residents, repeatedly with these warnings, as well as multiple emails of warnings of a fire on Thursday.

Thursday the day of the fire, she noticed smoke at 7am going on what appeared to be a ridge a couple of mountains ridges away. She thought she was safe, but as a precaution, she drove to town to fill her gas tank. The town was not on fire, and it did not appear threatened at all. When she got home, about 8am, she also filled her bathtubs and sinks with water and sprayed down her house and surrounding area with a garden hose as a precaution. At this time she started to see things falling from the sky that looked like black tar paper or something.

About 11am she received a phone call of a mandatory evacuation for everyone in Paradise.

Paradise is a canyon surrounded by mountains on all sides, with few exits. As she was exiting the town she said she noticed that at the top of the telephone poles, all the transformer boxes were on fire. Flames coming out of the transformer boxes on the top of the telephone poles. She thinks these must have been triggered remotely, because there weren’t any fires near the poles at this time. Just the top of each pole was on fire. She said it looked like DEWs were used to set fire all around the perimeter of Paradise, to prevent people from escaping the canyon. She saw isolated houses on fire, with nothing on fire near the house, no fires leading up to the burning house.

What's of interest here is the claim that a witness sees electrical fires breaking out in transformers and phone poles with no nearby natural fires that could be presumed as sources for these fires. This would tend to corroborate the "smart meters-electrical circuit" theory that is being advanced and that I speculated on above.

Additionally, this claimed witness's sighting of "stuff" falling from the sky in the month prior to the fire could perhaps be corroborated by this article, which claims that particulate aluminum and other heavy metals being sprayed in California's chemtrails (and I've seen - and smelled - some of them myself) could also be partially to blame:

Aluminum Dust from Geoengineering Fueling Super Wildfires According to Author (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aluminum-dust-from-geoengineering-fueling-super-wildfires-according-to-author-300707890.html)

The bottom line for me is that there's too much here - especially when taken in consideration with the similar signatures of last year's California fires - that is anomalous and difficult to explain on the basis of exclusively natural causes. When put together, the various theories spell out a combination of geoengineered accelerants, closed electrical circuits, and possibly exotic and or directed energy technologies. The "who?" is fairly obvious: anyone with access to such technologies: a few governments, and corporations and/or other powerful extra-territorial entities. We can probably all name those governments and corporations and extra-territorial entities without too much thought. The why? is now the problem that needs to be considered and speculated upon carefully.

See you on the flip side...

[onawah]

Great work on Dr. Farrell's part!
Wouldn't it be great to have some online roundtable discussion including whistleblowers like Dr. Farrell, Deborah Tavares, Robert Otey, Richard Dolan and Linda Howe, with some callers including seasoned firefighters, scientists, eyewitness survivors with photos and videos of anomalies, along with the best of those aerial shots?
I think the biggest obstacle in this case is that there are so MANY probable causes for the fires, it may bewilder people who haven't begun to understand how determined the elite are to succeed with all their insane agendas.
But that should not be an obstacle to compiling as much evidence of as many causes as possible.
At some point, if the evidence is overwhelming enough, even those who don't want to, will have to "get it".
Of course, that's when the shock sets in, and that's a whole different set of problems to deal with, but it's a process.

[Hervé]

...

... entering Monsanto's toxic trail (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72480-Monsanto-And-Its-Lethally-Toxic-Trails) factor into the equations:


'That's just nuts': B.C. vulnerable to wildfires after spraying forests with glyphosate every year (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/it-blows-my-mind-how-b-c-destroys-a-key-natural-wildfire-defence-every-year-1.4907358)

Bethany Lindsay CBC (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/it-blows-my-mind-how-b-c-destroys-a-key-natural-wildfire-defence-every-year-1.4907358)
Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:14 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s24/498080/large/autumn_usa.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s24/498080/full/autumn_usa.jpg)
© Rick Wilking/Reuters


Aspen trees naturally flourish after a wildfire, but they're also less vulnerable to flames than coniferous trees.

Last year, 12,812 hectares of B.C. forest was sprayed with the herbicide glyphosate. It's an annual event - a mass extermination of broadleaf trees mandated by the province.

The eradication of trees like aspen and birch on regenerating forest stands is meant to make room for more commercially valuable conifer species like pine and Douglas fir.

But experts say it also removes one of the best natural defences we have against wildfire, at a time when our [...] (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world&p=1260378&viewfull=1#post1260378) climate is helping make large, destructive fires more and more common.
"It blows my mind that nobody is talking about this," said James Steidle, a member of the anti-glyphosate group Stop the Spray B.C.

"The experts know this stuff. They've known about this stuff for decades, but it's just not being translated into reality."
When aspen and other broadleaves are allowed to flourish, they form "natural fuel breaks" if their leaves are out, according to Lori Daniels, a professor of forest ecology at the University of B.C. That's why aspen stands are often referred to as "asbestos forests" in wildfire science circles.

A forests ministry spokesperson said the government recognizes that aspen and other deciduous trees can help reduce the wildfire threat to communities, and that in the future, more thought will be put into planting broadleaf trees near homes and businesses.

Nonetheless, the rules about aspen in managed forest stands remain largely unchanged.

The province's Forest Planning and Practices Regulation states that when a block of forest is regrowing after a wildfire or logging, broadleaves can't make up more than five per cent of trees, or two hectares - whichever total is smaller. The concern is that trees like aspen will out-compete conifer species, which are the lifeblood of the timber industry.

If there's too much aspen, the block must be sprayed with glyphosate, a chemical known more familiarly as the active ingredient in Roundup. Over the last three years, 42,531 hectares of B.C. forest have been treated with the herbicide.


https://www.sott.net/image/s24/498079/large/shovel_lake_fire_aspens.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s24/498079/full/shovel_lake_fire_aspens.jpg)
© James Steidle


On a recent visit to the area of northern B.C. burned by the Shovel Lake wildfire this summer, James Steidle documented aspen trees that were left standing even though surrounding conifers were incinerated.

'That's just nuts'
"At the end of the day, we have rules that make fire-resistant trees illegal in our forests. That's just nuts," Steidle said.
Aspen naturally thrives after a forest has been cleared by logging or wildfire. Their root systems can survive for thousands of years underground, and they're capable of sprouting new clone trees as soon as there's enough sunshine and moisture.

Glyphosate doesn't just kill aspen trees - it can also destroy the root system.
"When you spray a forest, that's going to last for the lifetime of the forest," Steidle said.
According to Daniels, that's a major loss in a province that struggling with how to prepare for wildfires after two record-setting seasons in a row.
"When fire is burning through needle leaf forest, it tends to be very vigorous and very fast-moving," Daniels said. "When fire comes into a forest that has broadleaf trees in it, the conditions change so the fire behaviour is less vigorous and the rate of spread slows down."
Trees like aspen naturally have a higher water content and don't usually contain the volatile chemical compounds that can make trees like pine so flammable. They also provide more shade, which creates a cooler, more humid environment in the understory, Daniels explained.

Often, a "candling" wildfire that's engulfed the crowns of a conifer forest will fall back down to ground level when it hits a clump of aspen.
"If a fire is spreading toward a community and we know that there's a band of aspen trees that it's going to have to cross before it approaches that community, the firefighters can use that band of aspen trees to make a stand and try to stop the fire," Daniels said.

https://www.sott.net/image/s24/498078/large/shovel_lake_wildfire.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s24/498078/full/shovel_lake_wildfire.jpg)
© B.C. Wildfire Service


The Shovel Lake wildfire burns through a coniferous forest in the summer of 2018.

Spraying causes 'irreparable harm'
The research backs that up. One 2010 study conducted by a fire behaviour specialist with the federal government tested the fire-resistance of aspen by doing experimental burns of a forest that was split between conifers and trembling aspen.

Even when there was a "high-intensity flame front" in the conifers - with flames leaping into the crowns of the trees - the fire "failed to sustain itself upon entering the leafed-out hardwood portion of the plot," the study says.

Daniels believes B.C. needs to immediately change its forest management strategies to prioritize growth of aspen and other broadleaves.
"We're still stuck in the vortex where we're trying to maximize timber production from conifers, and that is causing irreparable harm in our forests, given climate change and the types of changes in forests and insects and fire that we're witnessing," she said.
The province has promised it's updating forest practices as new research becomes available. That includes some recent adjustments to the rules on aspens in the Cariboo-Chilcotin. Because the region is so dry and few aspen can survive anyway, they're not considered a threat to local conifers and don't need to be sprayed, a ministry spokesperson said.

Calls for glyphosate ban
But critics like Steidle would like to see a complete end to the use of glyphosate in forests across the province.
"We need to ban glyphosate. There's no question," he said.
The idea has some political support. Last week, Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver raised the issue during question period in the B.C. legislature, and asked how the province could justify spraying growing forests.
"The result is reduced plant diversity, leading to monocropped forests that are vulnerable to more frequent and destructive wildfires and beetle infestations," Weaver said.

Related:


The Detox Project: A short history of glyphosate (https://www.sott.net/article/361640-The-Detox-Project-A-short-history-of-glyphosate)



Whitewash: Stunning book on the story of Glyphosate (https://www.sott.net/article/389539-Whitewash-Stunning-book-on-the-story-of-Glyphosate)



The connection between glyphosate, red tide and marine losses (https://www.sott.net/article/394713-The-connection-between-glyphosate-red-tide-and-marine-losses)



Landmark lawsuit: Monsanto hid cancer danger of glyphosate for decades (https://www.sott.net/article/386302-Landmark-lawsuit-Monsanto-hid-cancer-danger-of-glyphosate-for-decades)

[Hervé]

...

A dollar short and a day late:

Gov. Jerry Brown quietly admits Trump was right, eases California logging rules (https://www.dailywire.com/news/38520/gov-jerry-brown-quietly-admits-trump-was-right-emily-zanotti)

EMILY ZANOTTI The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/38520/gov-jerry-brown-quietly-admits-trump-was-right-emily-zanotti)
Mon, 19 Nov 2018 13:58 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s24/498039/large/gettyimages_1060030978.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s24/498039/full/gettyimages_1060030978.jpg)
© Justin Sullivan/Getty Images


California Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have quietly admitted President Donald Trump's suggestion about improving California forestry was correct and is now urging state lawmakers to loosen restrictive logging regulations put in place to appease environmentalists.

The Santa Cruz Sentinel (https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2018/08/23/gov-jerry-brown-proposes-easing-logging-rules-to-thin-forests/?fbclid=IwAR13bm2Uv3XwUB_merQVcqOzgeCr4CMr6d2xrGiL_nQmrACxd542Dp2YsAA) reports that Brown is proposing one of the most significant changes to the state's logging rules in nearly half a century.
"Gov. Jerry Brown is proposing broad new changes to California's logging rules that would allow landowners to cut larger trees and build temporary roads without obtaining a permit as a way to thin more forests across the state," the paper reports.
Environmentalists in California aren't on board. They've been pushing for years to make California's logging rules more restrictive, not less, but in the wake of the deadly forest fires that ripped through the state this month, prominent lawmakers believe a change must be made before more people die from a preventable situation.
"Under Brown's proposal, private landowners would be able to cut trees up to 36 inches in diameter - up from the current 26 inches - on property 300 acres or less without getting a timber harvest permit from the state, as long as their purpose was to thin forests to reduce fire risk," the Sentinel reports.

"They also would be able to build roads of up to 600 feet long without getting a permit, as long as they repaired and replanted them."
Forests, particularly in northern California, California lawmakers admit, have become dangerously overgrown. But there's currently little incentive for landowners to clear their trees - they are only allowed to clear dead and decaying wood and undergrowth and can't clear healthy tress. By allowing landowners to recover some money from the process - letting them create and sell lumber, for instance - it could incentivize them to make bigger changes.

Environmentalists say they're worried landowners will go way too far, cutting down ancient redwoods or clear-cutting property, but even the most ardent environmentalist admits that some thinning is needed.

This is a big change from two weeks ago, when Gov. Jerry Brown balked at President Donald Trump's suggestion that poor forestry and poor forest management (https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/Trump-on-California-s-Camp-Fire-Forest-13380388.php) might be to blame for the massive wildfires that ripped through northern and southern California earlier this month, claiming dozens of lives and tens of thousands of acres.
"There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor," the president tweeted while he was in France observing the 100th anniversary of the armistice that ended World War I.

"Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"

"Our focus is on the Californians impacted by these fires and the first responders and firefighters working around the clock to save lives and property - not on the president's inane, uninformed tweets," Brown's office responded.
Instead, Brown blamed global warming for the uptick in fires.

The president may not have been wholly correct but it seems he was certainly on to something.

[norman]

Hah, to Gov' Brown.


"Enjoy my political embarrassment, anything, but don't rumble the sneaky plan". Long term fixes are easy to promise, while the plan speeds ahead.


The next stage probably includes more extensive land clearing anyway.

[Bill Ryan]

One gentleman kindly wrote me and offered the pictures from the fires from Chicago and San Francisco over a hundred years ago as proof that such things can happen naturally, no exotic energy technologies needed. I asked him to post his comment under last week's blog on the fires, and I don't know whether he did or not, but I'm grateful nonetheless, for any input on these freakish fires and any data is helpful.That was interesting. I searched myself, but didn't find anything.

* Here's how: search Google for "Forest fire", select "Images", then click "Tools" and select "Black and White" under the "Color" menu. The search results will all be old historical photos.
This article was interesting. I don't have a horse in this race... like Farrell, I'm trying to understand it all better.

The LA times itself published this photo today, with the article heading:

Thousands of homes incinerated but trees still standing: Paradise fire’s monstrous path

https://www.latimes.com/resizer/j2nvrZf3jAjgHOVcDGPkhJ9jMgg=/1400x0/www.trbimg.com/img-5bedc9cb/turbine/la-camp-fire-roars-through-butte-county-201811-038

Here are a few extracts. (NOT the whole article. The entire thing is worth reading.)


https://latimes.com/local/california/la-me-camp-fire-lessons-20181120-story.html






Most telling were the trees. Most of the pines that sheltered this community still had their canopies intact. The needles, yellowed from the intense heat, were not burned — evidence that the winds that morning had pushed the fire along so fast it never had a chance to rise into the trees. But as a surface fire, it lit up the homes that lay in its path.

[ ... ]

The phenomenon in Paradise that Pangburn described — the fire spreading from structure to structure, tree canopies intact — is not unique to the Camp fire.

Fire behaviorists have documented it throughout the West, most recently in the aftermath of the firestorms that ravaged Northern California last year.

In spite of this, the popular perception is that wildfires burn through these communities like a wall of flames. In fact, small, burning embers — firebrands — blown in advance of the fire are the primary cause of structural fires.

“When we look at the big flames but not the firebrands, we miss the principal igniter and pay attention to the show,” Cohen said.

Billions of these embers fly into neighborhoods, landing onto flammable roofs, into vegetation around the structure and rain gutters choked with leaves and needles.

[ ... ]

Pangburn’s assessment — that the Camp fire in Paradise was an urban conflagration, structure to structure — opens the door for fire behaviorists to consider the strengths and weaknesses of the state’s codes for protecting property in fire-prone, rural environments.

The mandate in California, as stated in Public Resources Code Section 4291, is clear: A 100-foot perimeter of “defensible space” must be maintained in “land that is covered with flammable material.”

While the 100-foot requirement is appropriate, it is important to begin thinking closer to the structure itself and work out in concentric circles, Cohen said.

“We have to take care of everything from five feet out,” he said, “so that when it burns, it doesn’t produce enough radiation to ignite the structure or produce enough flames to contact the structure.”

The goal is to distinguish between structure fires and wildland fires and to understand that communities can be separated from wildland fire.

We don’t have to live in ammo bunkers, Cohen said, and we don’t have to entirely eliminate fire from within the perimeter, just ensure that fires that occur within 100 feet don’t burn long enough or intensely enough to ignite other objects.

A defensible perimeter also provides residents with more safety options as fire approaches.

Cohen refers to the story of the medical staff and patients from the hospital in Paradise who took refuge in a home. Climbing on the roof with hoses and clearing pine needles from the rain gutters, they were able to survive.

“A house that doesn’t burn is the best place to be during a wildfire,” he said.

[Bill Ryan]

This is interesting, from Lisa Haven yesterday:

Lisa shows the EXACT correspondence between CA fire risk areas as mapped by the SF Chronicle, and a 1997 map depicting the exact same area as being a corridor designated for "little to no human use".

http://projectavalon.net/Little_to_no_human_use.jpg


This is at 6:20 in the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u_-0JAMd0g

[norman]

That website is banned in "most european countries"


so the bit you quoted is all there is for some.


LA Times, that is

[Hervé]

[...]
The LA times itself published this photo today, with the article heading:
[...]:(


Unfortunately, our website [LA Times] is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.

[avid]

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Please refer also to post 133
However, Cheryl was one of the last out, has multiple incidents that were ‘unusual’ probably 2 weeks prior to fire ‘event’.

After reconnaisance corporate helicopter, sudden winds plastering properties with snowflake-like particles including ‘morgellons-type’ worms covering her property. That with evidence of multiple warnings by email and phone messages that on Thursday there may be a ‘fire’ event - to prepare, have a plan, worried her a lot. Then she deduced that all exits from Paradise were compromised by fire.

This woman is worth watching, she is religious, but in these circumstances each to their own, and if her beliefs helped her we should take note that positive thinking can prevail.

[DNA]

Here are a few images found supporting the agenda 21 narrative in connection to the video posted by Bill above.



http://www.agenda21course.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Biodiversity-Map.jpg


https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/constitution-free-zones.jpg


http://allnewspipeline.com/images/wildlands-map1.jpg

[DNA]

This lady (Deborah Tavares) is supposed to be an insider that knew the fires were going to take place. She says she worked for the system and saw papers planning the fires. She also states that the Rothschilds had their hands in this due to companies they owned with weather modification capabilities.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHKIBN2my2Y

[norman]

The Plan To Burn Up California 1 ~ Deborah Tavares

RENSE.COM
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This interview sounds like it's been around a while.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

The plan to burn the conspiracy Theories, comes next.

[onawah]

I'm adding Dutchsinse to my list of great people to have in on a roundtable discussion; though he's not a conspiracy theorist in the usual sense of the word, he has been very instrumental in getting the "experts" to finally admit that drilling ops have been contributing to the rising amount of earthquake activity.
And regarding causes of the wildfires, he has been noting repeatedly recently, with clear evidence that there are "hotspots" on the weather maps which appear just before fires break out in the same locations, hotspots which are likely caused by underground magma or hot gases such as methane erupting to the surface. He talks about it yet again starting at about 11 minutes in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bElsbwPl9Lk

I haven't listened yet to much of this man's work: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxHTJnQ8yqA3rjDwLemtAKA
...but he's been compiling a lot of info on youtube from various sources about the fires's possible causes, such as here:
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...I think he may be jumping the gun a bit and playing up the drama factor, ignoring more possibly "natural" causes (though the intent behind even those more natural causes may have been planned far in advance, as we are seeing, but things like increasing volcanic activity may be caused by conditions accompanying the solar minimum). Dutchsinse's explanation about the underground explosion being caused by magma is much more credible, imho, than Morales's, who goes on and on about it looking like a rocket shooting up from underground.


Great work on Dr. Farrell's part!
Wouldn't it be great to have some online roundtable discussion including whistleblowers like Dr. Farrell, Deborah Tavares, Robert Otey, Richard Dolan and Linda Howe, with some callers including seasoned firefighters, scientists, eyewitness survivors with photos and videos of anomalies, along with the best of those aerial shots?
I think the biggest obstacle in this case is that there are so MANY probable causes for the fires, it may bewilder people who haven't begun to understand how determined the elite are to succeed with all their insane agendas.
But that should not be an obstacle to compiling as much evidence of as many causes as possible.
At some point, if the evidence is overwhelming enough, even those who don't want to, will have to "get it".
Of course, that's when the shock sets in, and that's a whole different set of problems to deal with, but it's a process.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I'm adding Dutchsinse to my list of great people to have in on a roundtable discussion; though he's not a conspiracy theorist in the usual sense of the word. . . . .. . . . he has been noting repeatedly recently, with clear evidence that there are "hotspots" on the weather maps which appear just before fires break out in the same locations, hotspots which are likely caused by underground magma or hot gases such as methane erupting to the surface.


and/or Hot Spots created by HAARP hits.

For those who aren't familair, some time ago Dutchsinse also showed mapping of HAARP hits and then how within days those areas would experience extreme weather of some kind (Tornadoes, Hurricanes, etc.) They shut him down so many times that he stopped showing and mentioning HAARP in any way.

[onawah]

Right. Dutch was in touch with another youtuber, Tattoott, who took up where Dutch left off in tracing the HAARP signatures. Tattoott was pretty old and very ill, though, and I don't see his channel on youtube anymore. They're still trying to shut Dutch down these days for his sheer accuracy and audacity for taunting the "experts".


I'm adding Dutchsinse to my list of great people to have in on a roundtable discussion; though he's not a conspiracy theorist in the usual sense of the word. . . . .. . . . he has been noting repeatedly recently, with clear evidence that there are "hotspots" on the weather maps which appear just before fires break out in the same locations, hotspots which are likely caused by underground magma or hot gases such as methane erupting to the surface.


and/or Hot Spots created by HAARP hits.

For those who aren't familair, some time ago Dutchsinse also showed mapping of HAARP hits and then how within days those areas would experience extreme weather of some kind (Tornadoes, Hurricanes, etc.) They shut him down so many times that he stopped showing and mentioning HAARP in any way.

[avid]

Thanks Ba-ba-Ra, he had to stop as he was threatened. I remember his ‘haarp rings’ forecasts, probably now a misnomer, yet they were so accurate, probably saved many lives due to tornado forecasting.
A good-hearted person with no monetary wishes - a rarity, a treasure, and should never be dismissed, despite all the MSM/google-media rubbish inferences perpetuating against him lately.

[onawah]

From 4 hours ago, Kerry with Ole Dammegard, Deborah Tavares, Katherine Horton and more
Project Camelot
Streamed live 4 hours ago
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"ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION ON THE GLOBAL HOLOCAUST, TARGETED INDIVIDUALS, CA FIRES AND MORE..."
Not sure where this should go, as I am just listening to it now myself, so it's fine if the MODs want to move it elsewhere.

[onawah]

DANE WIGINGTON – CLIMATE ENGINEERING TO BLAME FOR WILDFIRES

(http://<br /> G6JVK7lmP7E<br /> Greg Hunter<br /> Published on Nov 20, 2018<br /> &quot;Don’t expect to get the truth from the government or the mainstream media (MSM) that climate engineering is dangerous to humanity, let alone even going on, because climate engineering researcher Dane Wigington says, “Right now, there is an official illegal federal gag order on all of the National Weather Service and NOAA. If all of the consequences of climate engineering were considered, it is mathematically the single greatest threat we collectively face short of nuclear cataclysm.If we don’t address these issues, it effects every breath we take and the entire web of life, we are on an extraordinary short time horizon. . . . Climate engineering is not about the greater good.It is about keeping business as usual and keeping power in the hands of people who already hold it.It’s about confusing and dividing the population about the true state of the climate until the last possible moment. . . . They are hiding the severity of the climate to keep the population from panicking because the situation is so severe. . . . Here in the U.S., we are importing about $41 billion worth of food annually to keep the U.S. store shelves stocked to keep Americans pacified and clueless as to what is happening around the world until the last possible moment.It is that severe.”<br /> <br /> Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Dane Wigington, founder of GeoEngineeringWatch.org.&quot;<br /> <br /> https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dane-wigington-climate-engineering-the-single-greatest-threat-short-of-nuclear-cataclysm/)G6JVK7lmP7E
(http://<br /> G6JVK7lmP7E<br /> Greg Hunter<br /> Published on Nov 20, 2018<br /> &quot;Don’t expect to get the truth from the government or the mainstream media (MSM) that climate engineering is dangerous to humanity, let alone even going on, because climate engineering researcher Dane Wigington says, “Right now, there is an official illegal federal gag order on all of the National Weather Service and NOAA. If all of the consequences of climate engineering were considered, it is mathematically the single greatest threat we collectively face short of nuclear cataclysm.If we don’t address these issues, it effects every breath we take and the entire web of life, we are on an extraordinary short time horizon. . . . Climate engineering is not about the greater good.It is about keeping business as usual and keeping power in the hands of people who already hold it.It’s about confusing and dividing the population about the true state of the climate until the last possible moment. . . . They are hiding the severity of the climate to keep the population from panicking because the situation is so severe. . . . Here in the U.S., we are importing about $41 billion worth of food annually to keep the U.S. store shelves stocked to keep Americans pacified and clueless as to what is happening around the world until the last possible moment.It is that severe.”<br /> <br /> Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Dane Wigington, founder of GeoEngineeringWatch.org.&quot;<br /> <br /> https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dane-wigington-climate-engineering-the-single-greatest-threat-short-of-nuclear-cataclysm/)Greg Hunter
Published on Nov 20, 2018

"Don’t expect to get the truth from the government or the mainstream media (MSM) that climate engineering is dangerous to humanity, let alone even going on, because climate engineering researcher Dane Wigington says, “Right now, there is an official illegal federal gag order on all of the National Weather Service and NOAA. If all of the consequences of climate engineering were considered, it is mathematically the single greatest threat we collectively face short of nuclear cataclysm.If we don’t address these issues, it effects every breath we take and the entire web of life, we are on an extraordinary short time horizon. . . . Climate engineering is not about the greater good.It is about keeping business as usual and keeping power in the hands of people who already hold it.It’s about confusing and dividing the population about the true state of the climate until the last possible moment. . . . They are hiding the severity of the climate to keep the population from panicking because the situation is so severe. . . . Here in the U.S., we are importing about $41 billion worth of food annually to keep the U.S. store shelves stocked to keep Americans pacified and clueless as to what is happening around the world until the last possible moment.It is that severe.”

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Dane Wigington, founder of GeoEngineeringWatch.org."

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dane-wigington-climate-engineering-the-single-greatest-threat-short-of-nuclear-cataclysm (http://<br /> G6JVK7lmP7E<br /> Greg Hunter<br /> Published on Nov 20, 2018<br /> &quot;Don’t expect to get the truth from the government or the mainstream media (MSM) that climate engineering is dangerous to humanity, let alone even going on, because climate engineering researcher Dane Wigington says, “Right now, there is an official illegal federal gag order on all of the National Weather Service and NOAA. If all of the consequences of climate engineering were considered, it is mathematically the single greatest threat we collectively face short of nuclear cataclysm.If we don’t address these issues, it effects every breath we take and the entire web of life, we are on an extraordinary short time horizon. . . . Climate engineering is not about the greater good.It is about keeping business as usual and keeping power in the hands of people who already hold it.It’s about confusing and dividing the population about the true state of the climate until the last possible moment. . . . They are hiding the severity of the climate to keep the population from panicking because the situation is so severe. . . . Here in the U.S., we are importing about $41 billion worth of food annually to keep the U.S. store shelves stocked to keep Americans pacified and clueless as to what is happening around the world until the last possible moment.It is that severe.”<br /> <br /> Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Dane Wigington, founder of GeoEngineeringWatch.org.&quot;<br /> <br /> https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dane-wigington-climate-engineering-the-single-greatest-threat-short-of-nuclear-cataclysm/)

11/21/18

"The apocalyptic fires of Northern California have killed 81, destroyed 13,000 homes and caused the evacuation of 50,000 people and counting. Dane Wigington of Geoengineering Watch joins Greg Hunter to weigh in on this holocaust and on the other sequela of high altitude aerosol spraying, including Alzheimer’s, which he says is from the bioaccumulation of aluminum by the populace.

“Most people know aluminum is harmful, so they’re worried about aluminum in deodorants, in cooking utensils and so forth. Inhaled aluminum is exponentially more harmful and we are absolutely, all of us inhaling these particulates. Our lab tests prove it.”
Wigington says that the population is becoming too cognitively impaired to even confront the issue, with average IQs having recently dropped by 6 to 9 points.

He says that the official narrative, that the California fires are happening because the forests are not being managed properly is nonsense. “Let’s look at statistical facts. The forest of Siberia have been untouched for millions of years. In the last ten years, the burn rate has increased 1,000%…so that narrative is absolutely false.”

He says “The single greatest causal factor that has set the stage for these epic wildfires all over the world is climate engineering. “This grid pattern spraying over…the Eastern Pacific, absolutely breaks up any storm formation and ensures no moisture will flow into the West.”

In addition to the aerosol spraying, Wigington says that facilities similar to the now-shuttered HAARP experimental facility in Alaska are “transmitting massively powerful microwave signals into the ionosphere…[causing] an electrical chain reaction that creates a high pressure heat dome…that blocks all the rain over the West.”

He says the environmental groups will not acknowledge the climate engineering issue for fear of losing their 501c(3) nonprofit status. Their fear ‘is so great that they won’t acknowledge the single greatest factor; single most environmentally-destructive factor…in regard to the wildfires…That denial is absolutely criminal.”

He says that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is not releasing their Freedom of Information Act requests. “What do we know from the FOIAs we’ve already gotten is that the so-called forecasts all the way down to the local meteorological and meteorologist level is nothing more than a script and that script is being passed down from the very top; ultimately from…Raytheon, who is a geoengineering patents-holder involved in the geoengineering programs and they’re passing down the scheduled weather script and we know this again from our FOIAs they’ve stated they want the consistency and message over accuracy.”

“There is an illegal federal gag order right now on all National Weather Service and NOAA employees…I want to state this on the record, so we don’t miss it…mathematically speaking, if all the consequences from climate engineering are considered, it is mathematically the single-greatest threat we collectively face, short of nuclear cataclysm.”

[Hervé]

Now, for some conventional explanations of green leaves in trees standing around reduced-to-ash, smoldering houses:


Explained: Unburned trees next to burned down structures as evidence of secret "energy weapons" (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-unburned-trees-next-to-burned-down-structures-as-evidence-of-secret-energy-weapons.t9168/)

Discussion in 'Conspiracy Theories (https://www.metabunk.org/conspiracy-theories.f8/)' started by Mick West (https://www.metabunk.org/members/mick-west.1/), Oct 16, 2017 (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-unburned-trees-next-to-burned-down-structures-as-evidence-of-secret-energy-weapons.t9168/).

Mick West (https://www.metabunk.org/members/mick-west.1/) Administrator Staff Member

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkH5I0lXiFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkH5I0lXiFs)

Why do you sometimes see unburnt trees next to a burnt down house?


https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20171211-132929-v6fe2-jpg.30583/ (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-unburned-trees-next-to-burned-down-structures-as-evidence-of-secret-energy-weapons.t9168/)

Conspiracy theories would say that this is because the houses were actually vapourize with beams of energy from space. But the actual reason, as many people have pointed out, is simply that the wood in the houses is dry, and the wood in the trees is wet.

If you don't use a wood fire in your house this might be a bit hard to understand, so I set out to do an experiment to demonstrate this.

First stop was my attic, which, like most new houses in California has an internal frame of 2 by 4s.

There was a bit of scrap wood left over from construction. The same wood as the frame of my house, so ideal for testing.

Then out back to chop a live branch off a tree, and then I chopped both the attic wood and the live wood into pieces about the same size.

Cutting to size:


https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20171211-111157-j4p20-jpg.30576/


I then built a symmetrical fire from kindling and put the live wood on the left and the attic wood on the right. I lit the fire, and fed it more kindling when it went out.

It was very obvious that the live wood never caught on fire, whereas the attic wood started burning almost straight away.


https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20171211-164610-jan9c-jpg.30584/


The end result was that the live wood just got a bit sooty, and the attic wood was burnt through.


https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20171211-164642-1mtew-jpg.30585/



https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20171211-164818-90myp-jpg.30586/


[Update Dec 14 2017]
A few people have pointed out there are other factors in my test besides simply water content, namely:

Wood Density - The live wood is oak and the attic wood is a conifer, probably Douglas Fir. Oak is denser than pine, and is harder to burn even when dry. However it's also still a typical type of tree in California. Doug fir has a density of 33 lb/ft3, oak is between 37 and 56.

Bark - The tree has bark, which protects a bit from the fire.

Shape - A square cross section will burn better than a round one.

None of this invalidates the point - in fact these are additional factors that show how the wood in a typical California attic is much more flammable than that wood in the trees around the house. The attic wood is about as flammable as you get, it's light, bark free, with sharp corners. And of course it's also really dry.

Admin: This post is from Dec 11 2017, but summarizes some material in the thread below, so has been moved to the top and backdated for position.
Post below show that this is not a new phenomena, but normal behavior in suburban wildfires:


Z.W. Wolf said: ↑ (https://www.metabunk.org/goto/post?id=213708#post-213708)
Getting back to the subject in the OP...

The 1961 Bel-Air fire...

Zsa Zsa Gabor's house on Bellagio Place

https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/a90db7b23953672b8e66ec306d7b0c18._.jpg


Cued to helicopter footage. Notice unburned trees and the two intact houses, both with a white roof. Most houses had a wood shake and shingle roof, (which were outlawed afterword). These two had some kind of non-inflammable roof.

The latest episode on the 99% Invisible podcast, "Built to Burn", (https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/built-to-burn/) interviews a former forest service fire scientist who conducted experiments setting forested areas on fire and studying factors that determined whether buildings within the forest burnt or survived:
He set about learning all of a house’s potential weaknesses — all the ways it might plausibly catch on fire. He did a series of experiments, including one in the late 1990s in northern Canada where he set an actual forest on fire. Cohen cut plots of forest and set them on fire to watch them burn.

What Cohen found in the experiment was that an entire forest could be on fire, 30 feet away from the house… and nothing. It was fine.

But of course, Cohen knew that radiant heat and flames weren’t the only threats to a house. There were also the embers. He frequently found himself standing next to houses reduced to ash with green trees sitting right next to them. It was a telltale sign that the fire front never even reached the home, but the embers had. If you are still skeptical, I recommend this documentary from 1978 on the 1961 fires, which shows in great detail how similar it is to the fires of today, but nearly 60 years ago.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlmEIj94fBk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlmEIj94fBk)

[Bill Ryan]

I just want to intercede with a short personal statement. (And I suspect I may not be alone!)

I don't know yet what to conclude. But I do very much appreciate all the different perspectives being shared and referenced here. There's a lot of good data from many sources, and it doesn't all fit easily into one neat picture. This is actually Avalon at its best, when we're working together to try to understand something better.

:focus:

[onawah]

I hadn't been able get any release through tears, being of a more stoic nature, but this song “I See Fire” on vimeo by Ed Sheeran, with slideshow, just helped. ( Now if I can just stop...) :(
https://vimeo.com/301859892?ref=fb-share&1

https://vimeo.com/301859892?ref=fb-share&1

I'm bumping the following, because as dire as the info is in the quoted material (though please read that too, if you haven't, in post #151) , what Wigington says in the video is much, much worse.
I had to run out to do errands just after I posted it early this afternoon, but I haven't been able to stop thinking about it.
You won't want to miss this video if you want to get the full picture of what these fires mean, and what California and other areas are in for as the "test cases", so therefore many more areas to follow if this isn't somehow stopped. [QUOTE=onawah;1260665]DANE WIGINGTON – CLIMATE ENGINEERING TO BLAME FOR WILDFIRES
G6JVK7lmP7E

[onawah]

And now we've got "Resilience Beer" :facepalm:
https://cdn.craftbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/20181120133607/ResilienceButteCountyProudIPA-FEATURE.jpg
This would make poor Deborah Tavares's grey hairs turn white. :tsk:

[James Newell]

Amazing pictures and theories Thank you. Farrel did a great job with his post and theories also. So we have entire towns burnt down with trees next to the homes with no damage. Ok, then we have reports of pre spraying and helecopters before the fire. We have reports of transformers burning with no fires around. Cars melted when the fires don't get that hot.
1000 plus missing. That's sad. Fire area on path of new train line deal. Gov Brown pardons PG+E so they don't pay. Pg+e boss is a deputy of Rothchild.

Trump has to give it up on this one. Energy weapons and the whole bit. Too MUCH crime on this one.

[Ascension]

39509



This is a picture from the 1991 Oakland Hills fire that killed 25 people.

There are a few web sites out there indicating that the burned out cars in Paradise are suspect since they are so close to standing trees, but this image illustrates it is very possible in a fast burning fire.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm not sure if this thread "needs" another voice on the 'natural'/not engineered side of the fence, but I will add my voice.

I believe that the main bullet points toward engineered (deliberate) fires in California are:


the US government employs terrorism (domestic and foreign) whenever they deem it necessary to their agenda
there was a 6-year drought in California, which could have been deliberate via weather modification
the USA, including California, has been sprayed with (nano?) aluminum, a fire accelerant
"bird's eye" photos seem to show houses burned and trees left unharmed


On the other hand,


trees (and bushes, and perennials) have evolved to survive (live through) forest fires
extant trees (and bushes, and perennials) are proof that fire has never wiped out these species
ancient forests, unraked for centuries, even millennia, survived forest fires - even those after long droughts
human fire suppression, an unnatural scenario, has allowed the forest floor "fuel" to pile up to levels not seen in nature
houses are made of dry wood (and petroleum products!) that ignite easily and quickly
trees are alive, they are "green" wood, full of water, and do not ignite easily or quickly
advancing embers ignite whatever ignites easily
"bird's eye" views of a burn are deceptive, and make it appear as if the trees are unharmed. They are not unharmed.
as trees grow in height, evergreen trees lower limbs don't get enough light and they die. Forest fire will burn these (dead, dry, with volatile resins) lower limbs off the trees, but then there is no more dry fuel to burn. The low limbs and brush burning below are usually not enough heat nor last long enough to dry out the living trees and ignite the wood
(Especially in a tall forest) the faster the fire moves, the more likely the trees will survive
Look at ground-level photos of the trees, not bird's eye, if you want to see the visible tree damage


I recently saw a char spot on a highway where a car had obviously burned, and there were some trails of metal (aluminum? "pot metal"?) that had melted. The trails of molten metal may say more about modern car construction materials than anything else. Burn a 1950 Dodge, and I bet there won't be any trails of metal.

I don't trust the government/agencies of the USA, INC. "as far as I can throw them", (and the same with the Shadow Government that controls them), and I know they are capable of torching tens of thousands of occupied houses and roasting people alive without blinking one of their psychopathic eyes. I think they deserve the scrutiny of those looking for the nefarious hand of (miscreant) man in these fires... but the burn patterns of the fires seem completely logical to me. I think this was just a "natural" burn (even if a man-made power line touched it off), exacerbated by a 6-year drought and possibly from fire suppression allowing the tinder to pile up (I'm not sure if any fires in those areas were actually suppressed over the past decades or not.)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Thanks Dennis,

But for someone who has personally experienced up close & personal more than one of these fires in the distance past. (see my post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259141&viewfull=1#post1259141). . . something is clearly 'different'. Even the firefighters are saying this.

What that 'something' could be has been discussed pretty thoroughly in this thread. My guess is it's probably a combination of several things. I ask, Is it a coincidence that dutchsinse documents where there are 'hot spots' and within days one of these 'different' fires breaks out. Perhaps. Imo: Once is random, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern.

Yes, history has shown, forests and plants will come back, and civilizations and their people come and go. We also know that corporations now make products out of the cheapest, not safest material. But human suffering still hurts the heart and soul at a very deep level. For those going through it and for those who have to watch without being able to help much.

My area (which is about 2hrs away) has done exceedingly well in helping. But how do you replace everything and for so many? Most of whom have worked very hard all their lives to accumulate the very little they did have.

Perhaps the burn patterns of the fires are natural as you claim, but the intensity and the speed are not according to firefighters who have been doing this for a very long time. Although now I see that MSN no longer interviews those who will say so. Do we want these events to continue and possibly get more intense, or do we want to try and discern what's causing them and put an end to it?

[James Newell]

Maybe it is all a natural occurrence(s). Maybe the burn patterns are quite normal and logical for the areas. But there are Many anomalies to these fires. I doubt if the authorities will look into them, the deep state is used to getting away with stuff because we can't fathom that people would do things like this to others.
Here is an interesting link not quite related to the fires, but nevertheless pertinent to a possible reason for the fires.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-11-18-the-globalist-plan-to-exterminate-humanity-useless-eaters.html

[Dennis Leahy]

Thanks Dennis,

But for someone who has personally experienced up close & personal more than one of these fires in the distance past. (see my post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1259141&viewfull=1#post1259141). . . something is clearly 'different'. Even the firefighters are saying this.

What that 'something' could be has been discussed pretty thoroughly in this thread. My guess is it's probably a combination of several things. I ask, Is it a coincidence that dutchsinse documents where there are 'hot spots' and within days one of these 'different' fires breaks out. Perhaps. Imo: Once is random, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern.

Yes, history has shown, forests and plants will come back, and civilizations and their people come and go. We also know that corporations now make products out of the cheapest, not safest material. But human suffering still hurts the heart and soul at a very deep level. For those going through it and for those who have to watch without being able to help much.

My area (which is about 2hrs away) has done exceedingly well in helping. But how do you replace everything and for so many? Most of whom have worked very hard all their lives to accumulate the very little they did have.

Perhaps the burn patterns of the fires are natural as you claim, but the intensity and the speed are not according to firefighters who have been doing this for a very long time. Although now I see that MSN no longer interviews those who will say so. Do we want these events to continue and possibly get more intense, or do we want to try and discern what's causing them and put an end to it?
Yes, again, I think the scrutiny is deserved. All I'm offering is an opinion.

I lived in California for 11 years, and have been camping many times when it was "drier than a popcorn fart" and not legal (or sane) to have a campfire. I was also involved in the last townsite project in the US, in the Trinity Alps Wilderness area in northern California, and I myself nearly started a forest fire there, of course accidentally. I mention this just to say that I am intimately familiar with the area and conditions. I have also lived through many instances of hot, dry winds ("Santa Ana", "Chinook") in California. I don't know about the other fires (didn't research Woolsey, etc.), but for the Paradise fire, there were high winds. THAT, I believe, is critical to investigating the fire. Winds were gusting to 45MPH, and a gust was recorded at 72MPH. That is very significant, and made the fire move fast, sideways.

[onawah]

Keep in mind that Dane Wigington says that the official narrative, that the California fires are happening because the forests are not being managed properly is nonsense. "Let’s look at statistical facts. The forest of Siberia have been untouched for millions of years. In the last ten years, the burn rate has increased 1,000%…so that narrative is absolutely false.”
And starting at 6 minutes into the interview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6JVK7lmP7E&t=108s
...he goes into much more detail, also listing other countries that have been experiencing similar fires. (Note that he is an expert on forest management, and he also lives in northern California.) He says that Alzheimer's (caused by aluminum) rates are soaring--the leading cause of death in the UK and in the US too, though it is not being reported. It all certainly fits into the depopulation agenda for killing and dumbing us down.

[James Newell]

Here is an eyewitness that barely survived getting out of the fire.
He is an experienced fire watcher and very credible. There was a lot of unexplained spontaneous combustion. The video interview is about 45 min long.

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/eyewitness-barely-makes-it-out-alive-in-california-fire-storm/

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is an eyewitness that barely survived getting out of the fire.
He is an experienced fire watcher and very credible. There was a lot of unexplained spontaneous combustion. The video interview is about 45 min long.

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/eyewitness-barely-makes-it-out-alive-in-california-fire-storm/

Yes - also posted above in Post #112 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1260175&viewfull=1#post1260175) and Post #123 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1260264&viewfull=1#post1260264).

Given the importance of this video (and the limited search abilities of this forum to find earlier posts of material), I am not in the slightest upset at this multiple posting :).

[we-R-one]

Keep in mind that Dane Wigington says that the official narrative, that the California fires are happening because the forests are not being managed properly is nonsense. "Let’s look at statistical facts. The forest of Siberia have been untouched for millions of years. In the last ten years, the burn rate has increased 1,000%…so that narrative is absolutely false.”
And starting at 6 minutes into the interview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6JVK7lmP7E&t=108s
...he goes into much more detail, also listing other countries that have been experiencing similar fires. (Note that he is an expert on forest management, and he also lives in northern California.) He says that Alzheimer's (caused by aluminum) rates are soaring--the leading cause of death in the UK and in the US too, though it is not being reported. It all certainly fits into the depopulation agenda for killing and dumbing us down.


I was just coming on here to post the same Dane Wigington video as I watched earlier and thought it was quite good. Geoengineering is Agenda 21, look it up. So these people are losing their homes in the fires ‘in the name of green’, though few understand. The writing on the wall was long ago and now is coming to fruition.

@ Onawah, Notice how he talks about the Environmental groups? Listen at the 14:22 mark, where he says,
“Climate engineering is the single greatest cause documented….For all those in the environmental groups that are pretending….the hypocrisy is shocking to me, and I mean all these environmental groups, Sierra Club, Green Peace, WWS, Earth Justice, all of them, their hypocrisy with not acknowledging the climate engineering issues is absolutely criminal. It’s criminal…Why aren’t they acknowledging climate engineering? Because they’re afraid of losing their 501(c)3 . Our attorneys have communicated with attorneys for all of these groups…they’re so fearful of losing their non-profit status, they won’t acknowledge the single greatest factor, single most environmentally destructive factor and again certainly the greatest factor in regards to the wild fire, they will not acknowledge it. That denial is absolutely criminal.”

I showed you documentation long ago on the Trump is Not the Answer thread, how the Sierra Club is involved with Agenda 21 and yet you still post articles from them as if they're some moral authority. Maybe if you won't listen to me, you'll listen to Dane. They're 'agenda' is not about protecting the environment. Now that one of our own lost their home in the name of green, maybe more of you will take a closer look at what you've been supporting all these years as things are not always as they appear.

[onawah]

It does not follow that because environmental groups are not talking about geoengineering that they are not working to protect the environment.
People do tend not to talk about things that they know would get them destroyed if they do.
It doesn't necessarily stop them from doing what good they CAN safely do.
We cannot know what the agendas of every group is because there are lots of people working in those groups who are passionately working for very worthy causes, and there are some who are no doubt buckling under pressure from other agendas.
That does not automatically make all environmentalists bad people, or all such groups criminal.

[ThePythonicCow]

That does not automatically make all environmentalists bad people, or all such groups criminal.
I trust that most environmentalists are quite good people.

However the complexity of the matter, the need to rely on the good intentions and abilities of other individuals and organizations, and the importance of the matter, combine to provide excessive leverage to individuals and organizations who do not have good intentions, and who would abuse our noble intentions to their less noble purposes.

Such happens with this and other important matters, such as the well being of ourselves, our children, our families, our communities, our culture, our history, our science, and life on this planet.

The only solutions I know to this perennial problem are striving to keep powers separated and localized. By keeping powers separated, evil in one place or circumstance doesn't gain leverage over other places or circumstances. By keeping powers localized, whether geographically or by subject matter, we are better able to evaluate ourselves what is honorable and works well.

[Arcturian108]

Living in a national forest in Western North Carolina, I am disturbed enough by these unnatural fires to take action. Rather than contacting my various governmental representatives, who would likely listen politely, but do nothing, I have decided to hold a public meeting in the town of Franklin, North Carolina, early next year to discuss how we can protect ourselves from the threat of these strange fires. I hope some of you might do likewise in your communities.

[onawah]

BREAKING: Disclosure at LAST -
Controversial spraying method
aims to curb global warming
- CBS News
(From StoptheCrime.net's email update today)
11/24/18
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1111839869613&ca=71fa882b-6a2d-47f3-b145-ab22817b5dc9

"INSIDER COMMENT: (This is a developing story)

This disclosure is in the wake of intentional worldwide weather attacks and is a cover-up for intensified warcrimes called Climate Change. Climate Change IS Climate Control.

We have known that geoengineering IS the deliberate large--scale manipulation of the Earth's climate! These facts can no longer be hidden and can no longer be denied.

We have known for decades that governments and militaries have waged wars upon the global populations profiting from the on going weaponized weather attacks and profiting from all the death and destruction of the ecosystems.

We have known, and NOW we are finally being told that climate crimes WILL be committed - for our safety - to curb global warming!"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/geoengineering-treatment-stratospheric-aerosol-injection-climate-change-study-today-2018-11-23/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a

"Controversial spraying method aims to curb global warming
NEW YORK - A fleet of 100 planes making 4,000 worldwide missions per year could help save the world from climate change. Also, it may be relatively cheap. That's the conclusion of a new peer-reviewed study in Environmental Research Letters.
It's the stuff of science fiction. Planes spraying tiny sulphate particulates into the lower stratosphere, around 60,000 feet up. The idea is to help shield the Earth from just enough sunlight to help keep temperatures low.
The researchers examined how practical and costly a hypothetical solar geoengineering project would be beginning 15 years from now. The aim would be to half the temperature increase caused by heat-trapping greenhouse gases.
This method would mimic what large volcanoes do. In 1991, Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines. It was the second largest eruption of the 20th century, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS).
https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/11/23/16d6563c-f016-4836-80ee-b33eb6a4aad3/resize/270x/cc1c7bf4b00fd1adc358a94e8db68662/mount-pinatubo-philippines-volcanic-eruption.jpg
The second-largest volcanic eruption of this century, and by far the largest eruption to affect a densely populated area, occurred at Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines on June 15, 1991.
In total, the eruption injected 20 million tons of sulfur dioxide aerosols into the stratosphere. USGS said the Earth's lower atmosphere temperature dropped by approximately 1-degree Fahrenheit. The effect only lasted a couple of years because the sulfates eventually fell to Earth.
Although controversial, some think that trying to mimic the impacts of a volcano eruption is a viable way to control global warming. This proposed type of climate geoengineering is called stratospheric aerosol injection (SAI). Theoretically if done at scale - and sustained - the impact can be large. The 1-degree temperature drop which accompanied Mount Pinatubo's eruption is equal to about half of the human-caused warming Earth has experienced since the Industrial Revolution began.
https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/11/23/13848d1f-a3a1-4be1-8ddc-a8ff2a59cb7d/resize/620x/4a4a52b6519c260c1c7457425f836cf8/geoengineering-methods-climate-central.png
In this handout photo from Climate Central, they say scientists are looking at a variety of technologies - from snatching carbon dioxide out of the air like trees do, to launching giant mirrors into space - to artificially slow global warming.
Dr. Gernot Wagner from Harvard University is an author of the paper. He said their study shows this type of geoengineering "... would be technically possible strictly from an engineering perspective. It would also be remarkably inexpensive, at an average of around $2 to 2.5 billion per year over the first 15 years."
But to reach that point, the study said an entirely new aircraft needs to be developed. Partly because missions would need to be conducted at nearly double the cruising altitude of commercial airplanes. The study's co-author, Wake Smithexplained, "No existing aircraft has the combination of altitude and payload capabilities required."
So, the team investigated what it would cost to develop an aircraft they dub the SAI Lofter (SAIL). They say its fuselage would have a stubby design and the wing area - as well as the thrust - would need to be twice as large. In total, the team estimates the development cost for the airframe to be $2 billion and $350 million to modify existing engines.
In their hypothetical plan, the fleet would start with eight planes in the first year and rise to just under 100 within 15 years. In year one, there would be 4,000 missions, increasing to just over 60,000 per year by year 15. As you can see, this would need to be a sustained and escalating effort.
As one may imagine, a concept like this comes with a lot of controversy. Like treating a fever with aspirin, this type of engineering only treats the symptoms, it does not fix the root cause of the warming: Escalating levels of heat trapping greenhouse gases produced by the burning of fossil fuels.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/stunning-photos-of-climate-change
The American Meteorological Society (AMS) expressed concerns that the possibility of seemingly quick and inexpensive fixes will distract the public and policymakers from addressing the underlying problems and developing adaptation strategies. And if for whatever reason the aerosol missions stopped, within a few years the temperatures would shoot up at breakneck pace. A pace that would likely be too fast for humanity to adjust.
The AMS official policy statement regarding this type of geoengineering begins with a warning, "Reflecting sunlight would likely reduce Earth's average temperature but could also change global circulation patterns with potentially serious consequences such as changing storm tracks and precipitation patterns."
In other words, the atmosphere is complex. Any band-aid fix is bound to have unintended consequences and possibly cause a new set of problems. The AMS goes on to say results of reflecting sunlight "would almost certainly not be the same for all nations and peoples, thus raising legal, ethical, diplomatic and national security concerns." One region may become a desert, while others become flooded out.
And if we learn to control SAI to tailor a favorable result, there's the concern it may be used for the disproportionate benefit of one nation over another. In a 2017 study in the publication Nature Communications, the authors warn their work "... reemphasizes the perils of unilateral geoengineering, which might prove attractive to individual actors due to a greater controllability of local climate responses, but with inherent additional risk elsewhere."
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/bill-mckibben-on-how-extreme-weather-is-shrinking-the-planet/
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/bill-mckibben-on-how-extreme-weather-is-shrinking-the-planet/
But perhaps the greatest reason to be skeptical of aerosol solar sunlight management is that it's not a silver bullet. As carbon dioxide continues to increase, the oceans are becoming increasingly acidic. According to NOAA, ocean acidification can cascade through the ocean food chain, reducing the ability of shell fish and reef-building corals to produce their skeletons. Injecting aerosols into the stratosphere simply limits sunshine, it does not tackle the underlying carbon dioxide build up. The ocean would continue to acidify.
Despite the potential drawbacks, the AMS does recognize - even with aggressive mitigation - we can't avoid some dangerous consequences of climate changealready baked into the system. Plus, the scale of human adaptation is limited. Therefore, they urge caution and continued research.
The AMS policy statement closes with: "Geoengineering will not substitute for either aggressive mitigation or proactive adaptation, but it could contribute to a comprehensive risk management strategy to slow climate change and alleviate some of its negative impacts. The potential to help society cope with climate change and the risks of adverse consequences imply a need for adequate research, appropriate regulation and transparent deliberation." "

[James Newell]

So the nwo is giving it up. Of course this is the PR aspect of what they have been doing to this planet for years. And it isn't just sulfate particles, but aluminum, barium etc and probably viruses.
I find it interesting they are admitting it.
Maybe we are making them nervous.

[we-R-one]

It does not follow that because environmental groups are not talking about geoengineering that they are not working to protect the environment.
People do tend not to talk about things that they know would get them destroyed if they do.
It doesn't necessarily stop them from doing what good they CAN safely do.
We cannot know what the agendas of every group is because there are lots of people working in those groups who are passionately working for very worthy causes, and there are some who are no doubt buckling under pressure from other agendas.
That does not automatically make all environmentalists bad people, or all such groups criminal.

Thanks for sharing with us how ‘they’ continue to ‘build it(Agenda 21) off the backs of the people’.

[eagle0027]

Wondering...is anyone on site in contact with Eric Dollard????I distinctly recall him saying in one of his youtube lecture/ interviews that how transformers are wired is insane as they could have been done in such a way as to not cause everything in a house plugged in that was connected to one would blow up in the event of an emp.
While viewing the vids of the young fellow who lost his home this came to mind when he was talking about transformers and pole tops on fire.
Focussed emp discharges burning houses frm the inside????

Think Eric would be a very interesting guy to be interviewed on this subject.

[onawah]

Or perhaps it's a sign of increasing arrogance and so much self-assurance that they are succeeding with their various agendas, that they don't have to cover it up anymore.
And we have been advised many times that one of their rules is that they have to let us know what they doing (which they consider to be "fair warning"), though they don't have to tell us the truth about what they are doing, or why.

So the nwo is giving it up. Of course this is the PR aspect of what they have been doing to this planet for years. And it isn't just sulfate particles, but aluminum, barium etc and probably viruses.
I find it interesting they are admitting it.
Maybe we are making them nervous.

[Frenchy]

editted ;
I am disturbed enough by these unnatural fires to take action. Rather than contacting my various governmental representatives, who would likely listen politely, but do nothing, I have decided to hold a public meeting in the town of Franklin, North Carolina, early next year to discuss how we can protect ourselves from the threat of these strange fires. I hope some of you might do likewise in your communities.

Terrific ! Action at Grass Roots level, Highly Commendable Acturian...

Might I suggest you surround yourself with trustworthy folks, remember the opposition are highly organised, dangerous.. Look up the case of ' Rosa Koire ' ( not sure of spelling ) an acticist against A 21, there's avideo showing how her meetings were badly disrupted... Forewarned & forearmed... ( More good folks than Subversives ! )

[Deux Corbeaux]

editted ;
I am disturbed enough by these unnatural fires to take action. Rather than contacting my various governmental representatives, who would likely listen politely, but do nothing, I have decided to hold a public meeting in the town of Franklin, North Carolina, early next year to discuss how we can protect ourselves from the threat of these strange fires. I hope some of you might do likewise in your communities.

Terrific ! Action at Grass Roots level, Highly Commendable Acturian...

Might I suggest you surround yourself with trustworthy folks, remember the opposition are highly organised, dangerous.. Look up the case of ' Rosa Koire ' ( not sure of spelling ) an acticist against A 21, there's avideo showing how her meetings were badly disrupted... Forewarned & forearmed... ( More good folks than Subversives ! )

This video was posted by a friend of mine on Facebook.
“Burned Out Northern California Fire Victim Questions Directed Energy Weapons”

Perhaps you can get into contact with this lady, to be able to make some kind of a case.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SxYY32nq84
.......
The awakening is starting let’s hope it continues.
......

[Arcturian108]

I appreciate all suggestions for the meeting I have planned for early February. I found Rosa Koire on YouTube, but my computer sound just cut out, so I might have to take the computer to the shop, as I only recently got a new sound card. I just realized I could watch her on my laptop, though, so I will do my homework around this. One survivor from the recent Paradise fire has already volunteered to do a Skype call-in to the meeting, so things are moving along.

I am hoping to form a committee of interested parties and not try to control the outcome, but thanks Deux Corbeaux for giving me a heads up regarding possible disruptions. Since this is a sleepy, rural area, if such were to occur it would make front page news in the local newspaper.

[Franny]

This resident of Paradise talks about the roads that were recently narrowed causing the traffic jam that killed so many people that several other survivors have also talked about.

There is another thread on the forum that mentions narrowing roads in other states...

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[norman]

This Catherine Austin Fitts interview has been posted elsewhere on the forum, but this specific chunk of the interview is VERY relevant to this thread. She has yet another interesting take on things.


https://youtu.be/4Rv27tbz-7M?t=2749

[Ron Mauer Sr]

39537


Could Paradise become an item for sale?

To China?

Collateral for debt?


Always follow the money.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

This Catherine Austin Fitts interview has been posted elsewhere on the forum, but this specific chunk of the interview is VERY relevant to this thread. She has yet another interesting take on things.


https://youtu.be/4Rv27tbz-7M?t=2749

Thanks Norman, very interesting.

[Satori]

39537


Could Paradise become an item for sale?

To China?

Collateral for debt?


Always follow the money.

If I may be permitted to say:

Follow the power and control centers, not the money. Debt instruments, that is, "money" in all its forms, are created by those at the levers of power and control and used by them to obtain and maintain power and control. What we are witnessing this past 100 plus years and especially of late, is not about money. Money is for us peons. To keep us divided and conquered and to keep us focused on wasting our lives keeping up with the Joneses. Money is no longer for those who have and control true wealth.

It is mind boggling and appalling to hear the garbage that comes out of the mouths and minds of these collectivist minions who are put forth to speak and write in support of the globalist agendas, such as Agenda 21 (or whatever number they are using now) and Codex Alimentarius.

[ThePythonicCow]

Follow the power and control centers, not the money. Debt instruments, that is, "money" in all its forms, are created by those at the levers of power and control and used by them to obtain and maintain power and control. What we are witnessing this past 100 plus years and especially of late, is not about money. Money is for us peons. To keep us divided and conquered and to keep us focused on wasting our lives keeping up with the Joneses. Money is no longer for those who have and control true wealth.
There's an analogy that I'm starting to grow fond of, for all this.

Money is like the hydraulic fluid in heavy lift and earth moving equipment (bulldozers, backhoes, cranes, etc.). Hydraulic fluid transfers force from a pump to the place that's supposed to move.

Hydraulic fluid can transfer substantial force, and it can do so flexibly around moving joints, when hydraulic hoses are used that handle the pressure.

But hydraulic fluid is just a pressure transfer mechanism. The control valves decide where that pressure will go, and the pumps provide that pressure.

... and some union guy up in an air conditioned cab is pulling the levers that control those valves, and some guys in suits decided what to tell that union guy to do that day, and ... this analogy sooner or later regresses to the point of absurdity.

But at least the "money is the hydraulic fluid" part of this analogy pleases me. Yes, one can figure out what part of that big piece of equipment will move, and where, by tracking that fluid. There is no inherent forecasting ability of what will actually move next or where it will move in such an analysis, but at least it's a way to model what's observed and what the potential variations are, within the existing observed range of motion, and its a way to anticipate how much could move, where, by observing where the pumps and reserve fluid tanks are, how big and strong they are, and how they are connected.

Moving back to the world of money, someone with access to a billion dollar line of credit from a major bank can "make more things happen" that someone with no "connections" and with just $40.23 in their only bank account can do.

[Raven]

Catherine Austin Fitts addresses the California fires (in this interview with Greg Hunter) at about minute 46: ” One of the little known secrets about natural disasters is that they are a moment in time when the mortgage insurance funds of the US government opens up and money flows out in very secret massive ways…. So the US treasury and financial operations of the US government have wide latitude during a disaster to pour money out…What we started to see was very disturbing patterns between areas where there was high mortgage fraud and fires…. Cleans up the books….” And she goes on to says that she thinks that the FED is more powerful than it has ever been!

Sorry for repost - just saw Norman's earlier post today - highly recommended video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rv27tbz-7M&feature=youtu.be&t=2749

[Satori]

Follow the power and control centers, not the money. Debt instruments, that is, "money" in all its forms, are created by those at the levers of power and control and used by them to obtain and maintain power and control. What we are witnessing this past 100 plus years and especially of late, is not about money. Money is for us peons. To keep us divided and conquered and to keep us focused on wasting our lives keeping up with the Joneses. Money is no longer for those who have and control true wealth.
There's an analogy that I'm starting to grow fond of, for all this.

Money is like the hydraulic fluid in heavy lift and earth moving equipment (bulldozers, backhoes, cranes, etc.). Hydraulic fluid transfers force from a pump to the place that's supposed to move.

Hydraulic fluid can transfer substantial force, and it can do so flexibly around moving joints, when hydraulic hoses are used that handle the pressure.

But hydraulic fluid is just a pressure transfer mechanism. The control valves decide where that pressure will go, and the pumps provide that pressure.

... and some union guy up in an air conditioned cab is pulling the levers that control those valves, and some guys in suits decided what to tell that union guy to do that day, and ... this analogy sooner or later regresses to the point of absurdity.

But at least the "money is the hydraulic fluid" part of this analogy pleases me. Yes, one can figure out what part of that big piece of equipment will move, and where, by tracking that fluid. There is no inherent forecasting ability of what will actually move next or where it will move in such an analysis, but at least it's a way to model what's observed and what the potential variations are, within the existing observed range of motion, and its a way to anticipate how much could move, where, by observing where the pumps and reserve fluid tanks are, how big and strong they are, and how they are connected.

Moving back to the world of money, someone with access to a billion dollar line of credit from a major bank can "make more things happen" that someone with no "connections" and with just $40.23 in their only bank account can do.

It is interesting to observe how all things money are frequently denoted and referred to in terms of liquidity and the like. Such as: Money flows in the stream of commerce between the banks of productivity. Jordan Maxwell and others point out how use of such terms may be a carryover from maritime law, which many argue we are operating under.

Your hydraulic fluid analogy is apropos.

[onawah]

100 Billion USD High Speed Rail & The California Fires.
Anonymous 11/20/2018
(Annoying trauma drama background music, but some pertinent info, though Feinstein and her husband are not mentioned, or their role in the project. )
" What does The California High Speed Rail and Eminent Domain have in common with the California fires? MORE Info on this below:
http://www.america2050.org/high-speed...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/bu...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/us...
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/...

FRESNO, Calif. — It is vigorously opposed by Republicans, including President Trump. It has been plagued by escalating costs and delays. Californians are mostly against it. And a central question — how is it going to be paid for — remains unresolved.

But here in the Central Valley, far from the debates in Washington and Sacramento, the $100 billion Los Angeles-to-San Francisco bullet train has moved off the drawing board and onto 21 construction sites spread across five Central California counties.

Work began two weeks ago on one of the more ambitious pieces of the project — an overpass that will carry trains over a major highway in Fresno — and ground will be broken on three more viaducts in the next few months. Nearly 2,000 workers are on the job, starting as early as 5 a.m. to avoid the 110-degree afternoon heat. “Simply put, dirt is flying in the Central Valley,” the High-Speed Rail Authority declared in a recent business plan.

Yet for all the cranes, crews in orange vests, beeping trucks and fresh concrete, it remains far from certain that this project will ever be completed. In addition to the lack of funding, it faces opposition from both Mr. Trump and Kevin McCarthy, the Bakersfield Republican who is the House majority leader.

The continued delays and rising costs have fueled criticism that California, perhaps the most prosperous state in the nation, is squandering money on a transportation project that critics describe as a prime example of big government waste in a state controlled by Democrats.

“This is going to be the most expensive and slowest form of fast rail imaginable,” said Jim Patterson, a former Fresno mayor who is now a Republican member of the Assembly and a critic of the project.

For all the construction, the project faces the ever-present threat that a future governor may decide that state resources would be better used dealing with, to name one example, the housing crisis. Gov. Jerry Brown, a big proponent, is leaving office at the end of the year.

Work on the $100 billion project is under way at 21 construction sites in five counties, even though not all the necessary financing is in place. Workers installed reinforcing steel for a bridge across the San Joaquin River."

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Some interesting comments on the youtube page such as:
"MINDRIGHT
1 day ago
This sounds exactly like what is going on in Hawaii. We have a idiotic rail project that was crammed down our throats by the libtard Democrat legislators that the Hawaiian people voted down by nearly 65 percent 4 years ago. The project has made an absolute mess of the island of Oahu and is costing taxpayers 8 Billion Dollars and climbing while our homeless population continues to grow at an astounding rate. They have also eliminated car parking spaces on our streets to make room for stupid bike paths that no one uses. It's Agenda 21 in full swing. People here are like frogs in hot water. Once it starts to boil, it will be too late."


Budokai 100mph
3 days ago
"Christ all mighty, those maps suggest those fires were started by someone who is politically motivated to remove property owners to keep the construction of that rail system going. Eww this doesn't look at all."


Catherine McMartin
2 days ago
"This is what else is happening? They have 21 construction sites across California, Agenda 21! They have successfully started a war between the democrats and the republicans, and this is to keep us wasting time, we fight amongst each other so we don't see the walls coming in on us? Agenda 21, i believe, will be complete by 2021? They are more blatant in their attacks over the last week or so!? The people doing this are demon possessed and they only wish us harm! Satanists have taken over this world. The 13 bloodlines that own everything want us dead and they've panned out demise in grave detail. The truth is on everything, in everything, they tell us what they're doing if we but open our eyes!"

Cerulean
3 days ago
"If homes get burned out the state gets emergency federal dollars that is how they plan to pay for the train."


workaholic53
3 days ago
"What a boondoggle to support the lifestyles of Nancy Pelosi and Dianne Feinstein, not to mention defrauding the hard working people of California of their livlihoods, property and rights. Nothing says socialism/communism more strongly than the stealing of the rights of the landowners at the behest of the contractors and politicians, who in the case of Pelosi and Feinstein are the same thing."

[Orobo]

Paul, I like the analogy. Allow me a little thought here... What could possibly be the little air bubble i the line that renders it useless? That's all it takes.

One other possibility is to withdraw from using money, the oil. 'Just' disengage. But that means de-sublimating, back in place, the social structures that were, maybe purposefully, eroded. By the welfare system or other voter-buying and comfort inducing mechanisms.
It seems like when direct danger subsides the catcalling by the man with pluche cushions in one hand and rangly-dangly small change in the other is enough over time to shift it all. Especially in high-trust societies, like ours were.

But that demands a wide shift in awareness with many. The air bubble...would be easy. It is a problem the system always must use considerable effort for to keep out. Skip a little maintenance and boom.


love, O.

[ThePythonicCow]

What could possibly be the little air bubble i the line that renders it useless? That's all it takes.My impression is that industrial strength hydraulic, and monetary, systems are more robust than that.

[James Newell]

EARTHQUAKE, EMP, 5G ATTACK PLANS - And More Bad News by Debra Tevares. Quite an overview! It does pertain to the fires. Apologizes if its already been posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo86TGDxg

[music]

Sorry if already posted, I searched the title. From February this year.

DHKIBN2my2Y

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Jason Goodman with David Hawkins

Beginning about 27:00 states PG&E had purchased a catastrophe bond for 200 million in July of this year
Hawkins explains Catastrophe Bonds and who makes a lot of money if the catastrophe happens.

The entire interview is worth a listen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQrsEVg63Dg

[Satori]

Jason Goodman with David Hawkins

Beginning about 27:00 states PG&E had purchased a catastrophe bond for 200 million in July of this year
Hawkins explains Catastrophe Bonds and who makes a lot of money if the catastrophe happens.

The entire interview is worth a listen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQrsEVg63Dg

I have not watched this video yet, but I will. I just want to say one thing about bonds.

A bond or bonds could be used as a very efficient and seemingly innocuous way to surreptitiously transfer vast sums of money from one sector of the economy, public or private, to another sector of the economy, public or private. How?

For example, if PG&E takes out a "catastrophe" bond or bonds for $200 million, and if a covered catastrophe occurs, then the bonding companies or companies could be required to pay up to $200 million in a claim or in multiple claims. Unlike typical insurance policies, however, the bonding company (the surety) can go against the principal, here PG&E, to recover the $200 million it paid to the claimant(s).

(In contrast, with few exceptions concerning subrogation rights with, for example, medical insurance policies, an insurance company cannot do that against the insured. So if you have a car accident and your insurance company pays $100,000 to the injured party, your insurance company cannot come after you to recover the $100,000. It may raise your rates or drop you, but it cannot seek to recoup the money it paid out from you.)

If the bonding company is successful, then on the one hand $200 million goes to the claimant(s), and $200 million transfers from PG&E. Think of the consequences to PG&E. Think of the potential benefits to the claimants. And, in the final analysis Cui Bono?

[onawah]

That sounds a bit like what Catherine Austin Fitts was describing in her newest interview entitled "Government Taking Massive Amounts of Money Dark" here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rv27tbz-7M&feature=youtu.be&t=2749


A bond or bonds could be used as a very efficient and seemingly innocuous way to surreptitiously transfer vast sums of money from one sector of the economy, public or private, to another sector of the economy, public or private. How?
For example, if PG&E takes out a "catastrophe" bond or bonds for $200 million, and if a covered catastrophe occurs, then the bonding companies or companies could be required to pay up to $200 million in a claim or in multiple claims. Unlike typical insurance policies, however, the bonding company (the surety) can go against the principal, here PG&E, to recover the $200 million it paid to the claimant(s).

[cursichella1]

Jason Goodman with David Hawkins

Beginning about 27:00 states PG&E had purchased a catastrophe bond for 200 million in July of this year
Hawkins explains Catastrophe Bonds and who makes a lot of money if the catastrophe happens.

The entire interview is worth a listen.



It certainly is!

Here are a few links to back up what David Hawkins said in the Crowd Source The Truth interview:

SOLAREN: Directed Energy Satellites Provide California Power and Weather Control – PG&E partnership
(http://www.newsparadigm.org/2017/12/08/california-fires-and-space-based-weather-weapons-b/)

MIT Tech Review (2009)
STARTUP TO BEAM POWER FROM SPACE (https://www.technologyreview.com/s/413029/startup-to-beam-power-from-space/)

GREEN TECH MEDIA (2009)
(https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/space-the-next-frontier-for-renewable-power#gs.D41BcUg)

"Winning that power contract with PG&E was a crucial step for Solaren, which would have had a more difficult time raising money without it. The 15-year agreement calls for Solaren to start delivering 1,700 gigawatt hours of electricity in mid-June 2016."


I'm absolutely floored by this. Keep in mind ONE day after the Paradise fire started PG&E was already claiming responsibility for the fire via a downed power line. Since when do they do that?? Perhaps, "credible" for locals since PG&E has been shutting down power in Northern CA out of concern for "fire safety" in case there's a possibility of DOWNED POWER LINES.

I rec'd around twenty of these on my phone:

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The first time they did this, our power was out for three days (mid-October) out of an "overabundance of caution" for relatively wimpy weather conditions. What's "wimpy"? Winds at 6 mph, temps in the upper 70s, humidity 22%. And because of this, most businesses and some of the homes were operating on not-so-safe gas-powered generators--and PG&E is worried about "fire safety"?

I had to take my kids into town at night for internet so they could do homework and we made the news (https://m.facebook.com/andreseniormedia/posts/288112338693572/) because of it! Was I supposed to be grateful to PG&E when they deemed it "safe again" to turn our power back on? Feel protected when they turned it off again a few weeks later? Did they ever do a number on our psyches...

No joke, since the 2017 CA fires, PG&E has been running these ridiculous tv ads where it appears as if the PG&E crews are teaching firefighters how to do their jobs.

BgqUU-p3Z8k
I hope some of this helps to put what's happening in Northern Cal into perspective. And that Catastrophe Bond!

I can accept legit reasons for being without electricity. I can not accept being a tool of PG&E's perception deception on the Public leading to what Sierra, her family and neighbors went through in Paradise. She and her neighbors were horrifically, intentionally terrorized and those who didn't survive the fires were murdered.

Most interesting, Ron Mauer Sr.'s related post on the "Deadly unusual wildfires... " (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100187-Deadly-unusual-wildfires-in-California-as-well-as-worldwide&p=1243008&viewfull=1#post1243008)thread.

[waves]

The significance of this CAT Bond is monumental.

James Hawkins comments about this FIRST 'wildfire exposed' CAT Bond issued in July:

"...You have a sponsor and an investor. The sponsor, PGE, says - we're going to be cleaned out if everyone sues us for any fires in Paradise, so we'll start a CAT Bond for investors - like a network of dumb pension funds who don't believe a whole town like Paradise could burn down - to put down a certain amount of money which you only lose if the CAT Bond doesn't happen. An Escrow Lawyer holds BOTH funds - the sponsor's funds and the investor's funds. IF the catastrophe happens, ALL the investor's money is transferred to the sponsor.... and vice versa. In other words, the sponsor makes a killing if the catastrophe happens...."

(partial screen capture from this link)
http://www.artemis.bm/blog/2018/07/11/cal-phoenix-re-wildfire-cat-bond-launched-at-200m-for-pge-corp/
https://i.postimg.cc/BvVZgmDv/artemis2.jpg

image added: note that 100% goes either way. The PGE note had a 3-year term to either lose big or win big.
https://i.postimg.cc/s2phxBNm/swiss-re.jpg

[onawah]

FIRES and PETS: Animals Left to Die in Paradise
Officials BLOCKING Rescue Efforts
Emergency Call to Action and Awareness
11/29/18

(long article by Deborah Tavares here):
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1111839869613&ca=29405276-8cb6-4774-9bdd-2bcc4e50d7ed

[waves]

Now happening in Australia ..... this time stretching 500 miles along a coastline.

I keep imagining a documentary in 2050 saying "What was so amazing in the early 2000's was that so much genocide and massive destruction was happening all over the world and all the signs that these were targeted attacks were repeatedly ignored by the masses as if under a totally blinding spell of some sort for years except for a few who couldn't get anyone to see despite all the evidence. Here's examples of the massively destructive fires, tornados, floods and hurricanes that began the massive restructuring of the world from what it used to be..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qOr95fRXgU&ab_channel=MrMBB333

[RunningDeer]

Paradise, Ca 'Camp' fire FLYOVER




Get the big picture overview of the devastation and a better understanding of how this fire destroyed this town.


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blancolirio
Published on Nov 30, 2018

[Siphonemis]

This resident of Paradise talks about the roads that were recently narrowed causing the traffic jam that killed so many people that several other survivors have also talked about.

There is another thread on the forum that mentions narrowing roads in other states...

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A viewer comment on this video. Lots of interesting info:


"Serenity, Beautiful Serenity6 days ago (edited)

Lost my house in this fire. It was ungodly hot, and fast. No warning, no ems message...just cries of “get out now!” being heard through the neighborhood. We lived off Pearson and Cherry. I was in that same traffic jam, only further down Pearson. I watched people abandon their cars behind me and make a run for it. A few passed me up on foot and then the smoke became so dark and heavy it took over the rest. The cars started moving ahead of me and I was blocked, and on fire. I put my car in low gear and pushed the car ahead of me over the side of the road and boogied out of there. When I got to Skyway it looked like a war zone and was pitch black, burning on both sides of the road. A couple and two other people hopped in my car and we barely made down. When I got out of my car at the college, I threw up from nerves and smoke. The left side of my car was blistered charted and smoking, my tail lights melted, license plate was melted, my tires and rims on the he left side were melted. I drove down on two flat tires. My dog and I were singed. My passengers clothes and shoes and feet were burned. We too witnessed those in their cars that did not make it. The fire started in Gorda by a faulty PG&E line. Here’s the kicker. I went with a friend to her parents house in Concow and we were roadblocked by PG&E. A week prior to the fire someone reported a faulty utility line just to the west of Concow, you know, the lines off the big towers, and the PG&E workers told us that the power surge from the fire in Paradise sparked the faulty utility line in Concow....her parents house burned and no one told them anything or let them in for four days....this fire was planned. It was supposed to have started a week earlier, in Concow and was supposed to take Paradise, Concow, Gorda and Big Bend. It is all Agenda 21. If you look at a map of where all the states fires have taken place over the past two years you will see those fires are in the same area California government wants to run their Redwood Express rail system. This rail system is to serve the masses in the stack and packs along the route. Guess who won the contract to build....Diane Feinstein’s husband. Also look up SB901, and for ****s and giggles, get a soil sample and leaf sample from our area and have them tested for excessive aluminum content. There will be no way the planning department will let any of us rebuild because they are going to deem the soils toxic. Personally, I plan on taking the insurance money and leaving California.✌️🖕But the first thing I am going to do is sue the governor, PG&E owners, interest holders and investors personally (not corporately) in to bankruptcy. I am suing for negligence, and property loss. I am also going to press criminal charges of attempted murder, extortion and emotional and physical harm on the above mentioned so they will learn something about personal accountability. You do not leave your states forests in such a disarray so they burn 80 football fields a minute (that is 272 mph), you do not leave a major utility line hanging for a week and let it spark, you do not charge me on my bill for a previous fire you are held accountable, and you do not endanger, mame, or murder people for personal gain. Please know that if you or your kids need an ear, I will be more than happy to email my phone number to you. Take care, and stay safe. We are the lucky ones. Oh and look up SB901. Oh and another thing, this fire was planned, just not the way it went down when or where."

[cursichella1]

Clickable map:

360° Drone Panoramas: Town of Paradise (https://buttecountyrecovers.org/360-images?pagename=360-images)

[waves]

Another smoking gun to me - 1985 report on CNN showing what the ignition of a Russian DEW looks like and it's an exact match to the ignition of Paradise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tTuJO5o30&ab_channel=aplanetruth.info

[waves]

Another smoking gun. ONLY the contents of a high ceiling tire business/warehouse are completely destroyed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxRJ01PI2DM&ab_channel=mental_boost

[ThePythonicCow]

Another smoking gun to me - 1985 report on CNN showing what the ignition of a Russian DEW looks like and it's an exact match to the ignition of Paradise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tTuJO5o30&ab_channel=aplanetruth.info

Two low resolution overhead views of a fire starting in strong winds, showing the smoke blowing strongly in one direction ... I wouldn't call that an exact match, as that phrase implies to me a greater level of precision than that.

[ThePythonicCow]

Another smoking gun. ONLY the contents of a high ceiling tire business/warehouse are completely destroyed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxRJ01PI2DM&ab_channel=mental_boost

Perhaps only the contents of the tire business were flammable, not the steel walls and ceiling, which sagged and partially melted from the heat, but did not burn?

[Flash]

Another smoking gun. ONLY the contents of a high ceiling tire business/warehouse are completely destroyed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxRJ01PI2DM&ab_channel=mental_boost

Perhaps only the contents of the tire business were flammable, not the steel walls and ceiling, which sagged and partially melted from the heat, but did not burn?

yep

So now, please, how can one explain that the twin towers with steel frame, in 2001, melted completely. Fire from jet fuel is not more hot than what we have seen in CA.

[ThePythonicCow]

So now, please, how can one explain that the twin towers with steel frame, in 2001, melted completely. Fire from jet fuel is not more hot than what we have seen in CA.
Whatever was the source of the melting/dustification/collapsing energy that took down those towers ... was a whole lot more intense than a jet fuel, or a rubber car tire, fire.

Why do you ask?

[mischief]

So now, please, how can one explain that the twin towers with steel frame, in 2001, melted completely. Fire from jet fuel is not more hot than what we have seen in CA.
Whatever was the source of the melting/dustification/collapsing energy that took down those towers ... was a whole lot more intense than a jet fuel, or a rubber car tire, fire.

Why do you ask?

Maybe because it was odd. I thought it was odd at the time, but then I had family members who worked in demolition and took an interest in their type of work.

[Fansongecho]

Hi Everyone, I am hoping folks might have some concrete information on the numbers that are missing after the last horrific fires that affected California please ?.. specifically do you have hard data on the Paradise fires and missing people - I am hoping to confirm the information that the entire town was destroyed and large portion of the population was killed and could not get out before the fires struck -

This interview from last year - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a476195.pdf

Many thanks,
Fansongecho :thumbsup:

[RunningDeer]

'Camp' Fire UPDATE Ignition Point Investigation (10:44 minutes)
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blancolirio
Published on Dec 6, 2018


Take a close look at the terrain and weather and powerlines where this devastating fire started.
85 Fatalities 11 Missing to date.
CORRECTION: Fire video from Derek Yarrow, Concow Ca.

Theme Music:
"Weightless"
Aram Bedrosian
http://www.arambedrosian.com

[waves]

Hi Everyone, I am hoping folks might have some concrete information on the numbers that are missing after the last horrific fires that affected California please ?.. specifically do you have hard data on the Paradise fires and missing people - I am hoping to confirm the information that the entire town was destroyed and large portion of the population was killed and could not get out before the fires struck.....

There are never going to be believable concrete numbers but you couldn't get me to a lawyer fast enough to bet my house that there is great deceit being perpetrated in the dwindling official numbers. The number of 'confirmed dead' even went down from 88 to 85 and they were being super cautious every night for a while to not add anyone to that list unless identified while they paraded their new hi-tech 2-hours to ID DNA machine.

First, the number of people living in the connected cluster of towns that had to evacuate was 52,000 not just the 26,000 in 'Paradise' the msm repeated so much. The likelihood that 1000's of elderly of 52,000 having escaped is not reasonable. There were two roads out period. Of those who got as far as trying to drive out, escapees are reporting many lines of backed up/abandoned cars and suspect 100's were burned in or out of them. If the heat damaged the car's ability to keep going, there's zero chance the 100's of elderly, kids or any other human in them could make it miles further down the road.

Hopefully an independent discussion forum and tally by citizens doing it themselves will take place.

[Fansongecho]

Thanks for coming back to me on this waves. I just found this video -

Its an over-fly of Paradise - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LxWKaiZ5o4

Cheers,

Fansongecho -

Latest Edit - http://www.stopthecrime.net/3Sec3c-DOD.pdf

[Arcturian108]

I believe that many on this forum consider David Wilcock not credible, but in researching the California fires I was drawn to watch his take on what took place there, and he didn't disappoint. In the video he mentions his source as being Henry Deacon, someone Bill has previously mentioned as being very credible, if I recall correctly. Anyway, i thought I should let you all see this fascinating exchange and judge for yourselves:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMrXS9uiQCo&feature=youtu.be

[ThePythonicCow]

I believe that many on this forum consider David Wilcock not credible, but in researching the California fires I was drawn to watch his take on what took place there, and he didn't disappoint. In the video he mentions his source as being Henry Deacon, someone Bill has previously mentioned as being very credible, if I recall correctly. Anyway, i thought I should let you all see this fascinating exchange and judge for yourselves:
It sounds a bit fantastic to me, starting with David Wilcock once again overselling his knowledge.

Then when he gets to the topic of the recent California fires, Wilcock is saying that Paradise, California, and parts of Los Angeles, California, were deliberately burned (that much I might accept) as part of a Satanic ritual by the Deep State (that too, I might accept).

Wilcock goes on to say that the reason that Paradise was targeted was because, by some treaty, some few hundred to few thousand Alpha Centurions lived there, in underground bases, with access through elevators descending from ordinary looking homes, and for some reason, perhaps to stop disclosure, the Deep State was pissed and targeted this town where so many Alpha Centurions lived.

Starting at about 33:50, Wilcock hypes up the expertise of Dr. Pete Peterson to some level that would make both Pete Peterson himself, as well as Nicola Tesla, blush. "Pete" is painted as a world class expert in a wide variety of alien, advanced and exotic technologies.

Wilcock then says that Pete (and another source that is questioned around here, Corey Goode) told Wilcock that Alpha Centurions were residing in Paradise and that the Paradise fire was to burn down their homes.

Wilcock suspects that the Centurions were going to come forward and disclose themselves, and the Deep State put a stop to it.

Wilcock concludes by guaranteeing us that he and they will not be intimidated, that disclosure will not be stopped, and "that we are going to make this thing happen, no matter what."

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Sounds fishy to me.

[onawah]

That's a whopper! :fish2::fish::bigfish:


Sounds fishy to me.

[Flash]

I believe that many on this forum consider David Wilcock not credible, but in researching the California fires I was drawn to watch his take on what took place there, and he didn't disappoint. In the video he mentions his source as being Henry Deacon, someone Bill has previously mentioned as being very credible, if I recall correctly. Anyway, i thought I should let you all see this fascinating exchange and judge for yourselves:
It sounds a bit fantastic to me, starting with David Wilcock once again overselling his knowledge.

Then when he gets to the topic of the recent California fires, Wilcock is saying that Paradise, California, and parts of Los Angeles, California, were deliberately burned (that much I might accept) as part of a Satanic ritual by the Deep State (that too, I might accept).

Wilcock goes on to say that the reason that Paradise was targeted was because, by some treaty, some few hundred to few thousand Alpha Centurions lived there, in underground bases, with access through elevators descending from ordinary looking homes, and for some reason, perhaps to stop disclosure, the Deep State was pissed and targeted this town where so many Alpha Centurions lived.

Starting at about 33:50, Wilcock hypes up the expertise of Dr. Pete Peterson to some level that would make both Pete Peterson himself, as well as Nicola Tesla, blush. "Pete" is painted as a world class expert in a wide variety of alien, advanced and exotic technologies.

Wilcock then says that Pete (and another source that is questioned around here, Corey Goode) told Wilcock that Alpha Centurions were residing in Paradise and that the Paradise fire was to burn down their homes.

Wilcock suspects that the Centurions were going to come forward and disclose themselves, and the Deep State put a stop to it.

Wilcock concludes by guaranteeing us that he and they will not be intimidated, that disclosure will not be stopped, and "that we are going to make this thing happen, no matter what."

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Sounds fishy to me.

Luca should hire them for a new movie: 3 stooges spaced out lol

[Bill Ryan]

Sounds fishy to me.

That's a wonderfully British understatement. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMrXS9uiQCo

Let me try to break this down a little. I did know 'Henry Deacon' very well. Bulletpoints below.


Henry did mention the Alpha Centaurans, several times. He stated that three of the planets were inhabited by human-like beings. As usual, he was 100% consistent with what he said.



He did not mention that they were here on Earth, underground or elsewhere.



He never mentioned Paradise to us, at any point.



We did hear from two separate witnesses (not Henry) that one or more of the Las Vegas casinos contain elevators that, if one presses a certain code sequence of buttons, will go not up, but DOWN to access the 'sub-trans' rail network. We were told that this is how employees go to work, even daily, in desert locations that have no road or air access. They're dressed as gamblers or casino visitors on vacation, and attract no attention to themselves. (We did find this credible.)



Any ET 'psychic competition' in casinos wouldn't be against one another. All competition by gamblers, psychic or otherwise, is against the casino bank. David appears not to understand how betting in casinos actually works. If the psychic gamblers were winning, then someone would have had to compensate the casinos big time.



Any testimony from Pete Peterson can now (in my very strong opinion) be discarded.



The claimed ETs in Paradise, with the apparency of living in regular houses but with elevator shafts going down to an underground base, would (if that was the setup) would most definitely have been able to escape the fire. It would take barely any time at all to evacuate a house by going DOWN in an elevator if it became apparent that there was serious danger outside. If one thinks about this SciFi scenario, the capacity for emergency escape (from anyone or anything) via an in-house elevator would have been built-in as an essential feature. Being trapped wouldn't and couldn't have happened.

Again, this is another instance of not only David Wilcock not thinking these issues through logically, but his interviewers failing to think of any good 'wait a minute' questions to ask.

[Akasha]

Hi Everyone, I am hoping folks might have some concrete information on the numbers that are missing after the last horrific fires that affected California please ?.. specifically do you have hard data on the Paradise fires and missing people - I am hoping to confirm the information that the entire town was destroyed and large portion of the population was killed and could not get out before the fires struck -

This interview from last year - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a476195.pdf

Many thanks,
Fansongecho :thumbsup:

Hey Fansongecho and welcome to Avalon!

Regarding the video from 2017, the YouTube channel it is on is a proponent of flat Earth, thereby giving credence to the notion that the FE psy-op helps to discredit valid material by association, this being a classic example.

I still appreciate the post though.

[onawah]

Some very good info being shared here by Deborah Tavares and Elana Freeland:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99671-Weaponising-the-Weather&p=1263395&viewfull=1#post1263395

[onawah]

Paradise Lost # 25 ~ How the Houses Were Torched ? Interview with 30-yr. Microwave Engineer
aplanetruth.info
Published on Dec 8, 2018
(The video was taken down)

[James Newell]

Here is a fellow(s) that has done some research, and has made some outlandish claims as to casualties. I am almost hesitant to put it up but evaluate it for what it is. He is claiming almost 50000 are missing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=aeP1SS15l6s

[Ascension]

Hmm, another "coincidence". John Milton, author of Paradise Lost died on November 8th. (1674)

[waves]

Here is a fellow(s) that has done some research, and has made some outlandish claims as to casualties. I am almost hesitant to put it up but evaluate it for what it is. He is claiming almost 50000 are missing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=aeP1SS15l6s

That guy is Jamie of aplanetruth from Santa Rosa shooting himself in the foot. He's not stupid. He's one of the few people doing stupendous work to expose the questions surrounding the California fires both last year and this, and is apparently an ex wall street guy. But he's got some serious rush to judgements going on.

I'm really frustrated with his frequent carelessness in videos, jumping to conclusions and projecting without merit. It takes much too much detail sifting to separate the fact from opinion in his stuff and he's killing his credibility.

Truthers need to be far more grounded, accurate and credible than their accusers at all times. It's too bad the passion and frustration leads to sloppiness like in Jamie's case - and a lot of jumping to conclusive blaming.

I think there's FAR more to this story than the railroad line, the gold, agenda 21 and the rest of blames taking center stage.
It's something else when not everything is destroyed and people are just going back and rebuilding like here in Santa Rosa!!!

Regarding the possible death count however, this to me is the logic:
- Over 14,000 homes were destroyed in hours.
- Over 50,000 people had to evacuate from Paradise and connected towns, everyone had only 1 or 2 roads out beginning at 6:30am.
- Thousands were elderly 70's,80's,90's+, many likely still sleeping, many likely not able to drive.
- Witnesses reported backups and people getting out of their cars to try to get to safety.
- Other cars stopped working from heat damage forcing occupants to walk.
- There have been no reports of anyone surviving walking the miles further to safety.
- There are 1000's of burned out cars still in front of houses implying the occupants never got as far as trying to use them.
- There are clusters and clusters of burned out abandoned cars on the side of the roads.

- Do you think including the massive elderly factor that it reasonably adds up to 85 dead and 5 missing, the current official number?

I think at first the Sheriff was doing his best to do the job he knew exactly how to do. Right after the three stooges visited the numbers started plummeting and the media totally shut up about the devastation.

I repeat, 14,000 homes destroyed. Media since - crickets.

[onawah]

New Project Camelot interview with Deborah Tavares today
DEBORAH TAVARES : FIRES, WATER AND HOW TO SURVIVE
Project Camelot
Streamed live 3 hours ago
December 18th @ 3pm PT - I interview DEBORAH TAVARES
(Also posted on the StoptheCrime thread)

"She is an excellent researcher and activist who finds the documentation to support everything she claims.
Bio from her site: http://stopthecrime.net
Deborah Tavaresis a 3rd generation land developer of residential construction and has been self‐employed in a family operated business for over 30 years. She specialized in land feasibility studies, acquisitions and building permit processes, including required Environmental Impact Reports (EIR), along with furnishing Department of Real Estate (DRE) subdivision requirements and the entire construction build‐out to completion. It was during this process that the restrictions of property rights became evident under the creeping constraints of the United Nation’s AGENDA 21, through land use limitations, restrictions, regulations, fees and increased liability exposures. Deborah is spreading the word, exposing the connections between mysterious global trends of man‐made and corporate/military controlled technologies, weaponized frequencies, the falsified science of the “global warming” movement, and other major programs intended to cause damage to health and reduce the population and to eliminate freedom for all people for all time."

KERRY CASSIDY
PROJECT CAMELOT
http://projectcamelot.tv
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[onawah]

I think all Californians will want to listen to that interview in the post just above, #222. I just listened and it is full of vital global information, but especially for Californians.

[onawah]

Filmmaker Ron Howard to Make Camp Fire Documentary
From StoptheCrime's email update today
December 18, 2018 . .

"HOLLYwood the "Wizards Stick" of media propaganda is moving into Paradise to create the false fire narrative.
We need to find out who's financing this documentary and follow the script as fire survivors are interviewed, and who is "selected" to be interviewed.
We must also watch to see where the funds from this documentary go.
Remember, in Santa Rosa, a documentary was released one year after the TUBBS Fire of November 2017.
This documentary was entitled "Urban Inferno - the Night Santa Rosa Burned".
The profits went to the Sonoma County Community Resilience Fund, a Rockefeller and Rothschild resilience scheme to help finance the destruction, damage, and death they created.
You will not hear the truth about the FIRES in Butte County, California.
The script will most likely omit that PG&E is Rothschild.
Directed Energy Weapons were deployed - there were Heavy Heavy Chemtrailed Skies days before the fires.
Smart Meters Blew-up (WERE Blown-up) the fires were a house to house ignition the trees resisted the fires, the weather on demand facilitated the ideal fire conditions.
Paradise is GOLD Country.
Climate Action Plans were approved by the Butte County city and county boards - plans stating the county would face floods, fires, heat events, water shortages and more if CO2 emissions were not reduced. The Climate Action and Resilient, which Butte County adopted, are plans of land restrictions, energy and resource "required" reductions. In short, these United Nation Plans are CRIMINAL Plans of DEATH . . . and more.
The climate action and resilient plans have been approved in communities nationwide and worldwide.
Understand the Camp Fires, in Butte County are an active criminal crime scene and the perpetrators are conducting the investigations that the media will advance as the cause.

Will your town of deliberate destruction be the next Hollywood Documentary?

WE MUST ALL WORK TOGETHER TO 'EXPOSE' THE TRUTH!
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https://www.actionnewsnow.com/content/news/Filmmaker-Ron-Howard-to-make-Camp-Fire-Documentary-503094282.html

Howard is conducting interviews for his project, and is expected to return several times.

Academy Award Winning Filmmaker and Actor Ron Howard is working on a documentary in Butte County on the Camp Fire.
Howard has been meeting with Paradise Firefighters,School Officials, Teachers and Students.
He also dined at Unwined and enjoyed some of the "Resilience" beer brewed by Sierra Nevada Brewery in Chico, to benefit Camp Fire recovery.
Paradise Schools Superintendent Michelle John described her visit with Howard as "fabulous", and said there were both light-hearted moments and serious moments.
Howard told Paradise Post Managing Editor Rick Silva that his mother-in-law used to live in Paradise and that he has relatives in Redding.
He also said his vision is to follow what happens in the coming year and that the documentary would be released after that.Howard is tentatively calling it "Believe in Paradise"."

[avid]

...another ‘Fonzi-scheme’?
Sorry, it’s potentially true...

[onawah]

YELLOW VESTS IN AMERICA: Paradise Fire Survivors Claim State Sponsored Arson
https://www.aircrap.org/2018/12/14/yellow-vests-in-america-paradise-fire-survivors-claim-state-sponsored-arson/
"CAMP FIRE NEW CALIFORNIA STATE PAUL PRESTON, BUTTE COUNTY, CA

CBS News: New California declares “independence” from rest of state

Harold Saive: New California is a new state in development exercising its constitutional Right to form from the State of California as codified under Article IV Section 3 of the United States Constitution and in the United States Declaration of independence. (NewCalifornia.com) "

In the community of Paradise over 2,000 buildings were destroyed and up to 600 people may be missing including the leadership team for the NEW CALIFORNIA STATE MOVEMENT from Butte County.

The town of Paradise, CA has served as one of the central locations for numerous meetings and town halls. Now the churches and residences along with the community of Paradise, are all destroyed.

Paul Preston Youtube Channel
12/11/2018 – Sutter County – NEW CALIFORNIA STATE GRIEVANCE 47
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"Preston Claims DEW weapons and Smart Meters Involved in Arson Fires
Paul Begley show with Guest PAUL PRESTON “New California”

Paul Preston claims Homes with no smart meters did not burn down. He suspects that directed energy microwave or laser weapons (DEW) were also. He claims microwave DEW energy focused on a home could resonate with the internal house wiring initiating a conflagration. Preston discusses the effect of “chemtrails” to enhance fire conditions by adding nano-aluminum particulates to the environment, however the failure of the forest to burn in selected locations places this claim in doubt.
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Nov 14, 2018: Preston is positioned in front of the veterans memorial hall in Paradise, CA – one of the few buildings that survived the fire. Described as one of the most devastating fires in American history, Preston reports on local fire losses including the many souls lost to a conflagration ignited under suspicious circumstances.

The initiation of the Paradise fires was documented by satellite, revealing what appeared to be an explosion or “launch” of incendiary material that rose a few thousand feet above ground level before collapsing. See the Mike Morales report on this compelling evidence for ARSON in PARADISE
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ARSON IN PARADISE: A compelling report by Mike Morales.
The initiation of the Paradise fires was documented by satellite, revealing what appeared to be an explosion or “launch” of incendiary material that rose a few thousand feet above ground level before collapsing to cause a fire-storm in Paradise, CA
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Why is the Media Hiding Evidence of Arson in the Paradise Fire? from Hsaive on Vimeo.

https://vimeo.com/306624195
Related:
The YELLOW VESTS Emerge as a Potent Force in America after Manmade California Firestorms | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=110857
The YELLOW VESTS Emerge as a Potent Force in America after Manmade California Firestorms – The Millennium Report http://themillenniumreport.com/2018/12/the-yellow-vests-emerge-as-a-potent-force-in-america-after-manmade-california-firestorms/
The YELLOW VESTS Emerge as a Potent Force in America after Manmade California Firestorms | Cosmic Convergence: 2012 and Beyond http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=29248
SMOKING GUN: Hard Evidence Shows Camp Fire Was Manmade, Genocide and Mass Destruction of Paradise Carefully Planned | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=110720

[James Newell]

Another video of strange anomalies, Re the Carr fire. Alex Jones made a comment that we are at that stage of the nwo plan that we sit around fairly comfortably looking and thinking as the bodies are dropping around us. Maybe those are my words but something like that.

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/house-sliced-in-half-by-dews-in-carr-fire/

[James Newell]

More press on the subject. Alex Jones is talking about it now.

PARADISE DESTROYED:
California Firemen Find Signatures of Directed Energy Weapons

https://youtu.be/OEyy1EaYBlQ

[onawah]

Forbidden Knowledge too
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/paradise-destroyed-california-firemen-find-signatures-of-directed-energy-weapons/

"The Camp Fire in Paradise, California began on November 8th of last year, destroying over 153,000 acres before finally being put out over a month later on December 14th. Over 13,000 homes and hundreds of businesses were destroyed, with more than half of this damage described as occurring within the first four hours.

The anomalies of the Camp Fire were ignored by the mainstream media and were only reported on a handful of independent websites, including ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net.

Fires were observed burning at temperatures at least three times hotter than an average house fire; hot enough to melt aluminum and glass, reducing homes to pure ash yet leaving plastic trash cans beside them untouched.

Most of us are familiar with how microwave ovens heat and interact with foods and how this differs from the effects of thermal or convection ovens. We know that plastics are “microwave safe”, whereas metals explode violently when subjected microwaves. The effects of the NorCal fires of the past couple of years have been widely observed to resemble the effects one might expect to see from directed microwave radiation or masers.

Maser is the acronym for “microwave amplification by stimulated emission of radiation”. Likewise, laser is the acronym for “light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation”. Both masers and lasers are forms of amplified, coherent, electromagnetic radiation and both frequency ranges are used in various Directed Energy Weapons (DEWs). DEWs are a newer class of weapons that are starting to come into wider use.

The SupposedlyShelly YouTube channel interviewed retired California firemen, John Lord and Matt (last name withheld) about the anomalies they’ve observed and both were left to conclude that DEWs were involved. The firemen reported that plastics attached to metal completely melted while plastics standing alone withstood what must have been extraordinary heat. Other investigators observed how guardrails caught fire at the points where the metal bolts connected to the wood. DEWs could produce these effects.

DEWs can:

be invisible and inaudible.
be immune to gravity, wind and Coriolis forces.
travel at light-speed and have near infinite range and thus be suitable for use in space warfare.
be land-based, mounted on planes, drones, satellites or Boeing X-37s.
have pinpoint accuracy.
One disturbing effect mentioned by the firemen that I hadn’t seen until I saw this video was the anomalous scarring along large swathes of forest, with the rest untouched.

The question of course is why the innocent populace of Paradise would be the target of a diabolical stealth attack using advanced weapons – and by whom?

Rumors swirled about a high-speed railway and gold reserves discovered in the Paradise area but the most pervasive rumors involved the UN’s Agenda 21 action plan and a Globalist plot to declare designated areas unfit for human habitation; to deny property rights, to undermine US sovereignty and to herd any survivors into megacities, with the goal of subjugating humanity to an “eco-totalitarian” regime.

While crazy-sounding and unbelievable, one cannot deny that mainstream media hosts were heard casually discussing whether people should be allowed to rebuild in Paradise.

Last Wednesday, the missing persons call center for those who were unaccounted for during the Camp Fire was closed down. Butte County officials were able to locate 3,200 people, with three individuals still considered missing, according to the sheriff’s office. Four victims have not yet been named, deputies said. The Camp Fire was the deadliest fire in California’s history, claiming 86 lives."

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More press on the subject. Alex Jones is talking about it now.

PARADISE DESTROYED:
California Firemen Find Signatures of Directed Energy Weapons

https://youtu.be/OEyy1EaYBlQ

[James Newell]

People are waking up to this new "unthinkable" silent form of weapon. The evidence is pretty clear the UN (agenda 21 types) and nwo will do what they have to to get new real estate. Between Dew's and microwaves and chemicals and etc... The survivors will probably be the ones who recognize it first.


Forbidden Knowledge too
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/par...nergy-weapons/

[onawah]

Much more from the firefighters here
Must See!! Part 3 Paradise Fires--Massive "Event" Expert Testimony Retired Fire Captains
(update: all 3 of these are from December 2018)
Supposedly Shelly
Published on Dec 27, 2018
"Paradise Fire DEWs Smart Meters Retired Fire Captains and Fighters John Lord and Matt Geo Engineering Chem Trails--with Photos from John Lord. Disclaimer: The firemen have no affiliation with "Flat Earth Radio" and do not subscribe to that view. All photographs with the exception of a few stills from videos are taken by John Lord (c) 2018 December Paradise Fire."
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma26EBzJkxE
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3dZf07f9F4

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[Bill Ryan]

Much more from the firefighters here
Must See!!

:bump:

Must see — I agree. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

This is the best evidence I've seen yet for microwave involvement. It's really VERY compelling. Highly recommended. I hope a lot of people pay close attention to this.

[onawah]

More corroboration on their assertions from a very different kind of source, Dark Journalist and the Mystery Schools, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHV7WFM2Avk&t=2190s
...starting about 51 minutes in. Update: Make that 35 minutes in, not 51.


Much more from the firefighters here
Must See!!

:bump:

Must see — I agree. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

This is the best evidence I've seen yet for microwave involvement. It's really VERY compelling. Highly recommended. I hope a lot of people pay close attention to this.

[Arcturian108]

The following video is the most detailed, scientific explanation of what happened in the California fires. Dr, Ginny Silcox, had a Q-level government security clearance at one time, and her explanation is really earth-shattering (double entendre intended). I couldn't make up my mind whether to start a new thread considering how important this video is, but here it sits for now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub5H7mRSyg4

[onawah]

That's great info from Silcox. This is about the only source I have come across that offers practical ways to protect ourselves from 5G and EMFs in general. And MUCH more besides! On a par with the recent info from California firefighters, imho. Also see this Project Camelot interview featuring Silcox:

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"Ginny Silcox has years of experience in electromagnetic compliance for light-based medical instruments. This includes investigation into the effects of radiated and conducted emissions, electrostatic discharge, and short and long-field radio emissions. She has degrees in music, electronics, and language acquisition, and several years’ experience designing training for radiological emergency responders for the National Nuclear Security Administration (part of DOE)."

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

Yes, that's a great video (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1268307&viewfull=1#post1268307). :star:

I was hugely impressed with Dr Ginny Silcox, who's a real delight to listen to: smart, aware, funny, articulate, and a very good presenter — the science teacher that most of us wish we'd had. I learned quite a bit more about microwaves here. It's crystal clear that the technology has been advanced to quite exotic Sci-Fi levels.

Highly recommended... don't be deterred! It's pretty easy to understand for non-scientists.

Just the first 9-10 minutes will give you a clue. She starts off by describing how it was accidentally discovered that various slightly different manipulations of microwave frequencies can


shoot a pencil off a desk.
pull a pencil on a desk.
vaporize that pencil on a desk.

That was in the 1940s. (The 1940s!! What can they do now?)

Think about that just for a moment. The pencil experiments mean that microwave weapons can do ANYTHING AT ALL to many solid objects. (Including people, by the way.) After 6 minutes, she's explaining what happened to the World Trade Center.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I've been following HAARP, chem trails, etc for years. No doubt in my mind that these fires are not natural.

(and for those who are still naysayers: refer to the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques that took place back in the early 70's. Ask, why would there be such a convention if there wasn't the technology. https://www.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm)


But I digress. My question is Who and Why. Why Santa Rosa and Paradise?

Is a message being sent?
Just Testing to see exactly what they can do?
Need to eliminate population from those areas to extract precious minerals?

As for the Who's

Another country
Our own Country (Deep State)
A corporation

[norman]

But I digress. My question is Who and Why. Why Santa Rosa and Paradise?

Is a message being sent?
Just Testing to see exactly what they can do?
Need to eliminate population from those areas to extract precious minerals?

As for the Who's

Another country
Our own Country (Deep State)
A corporation

I think Ginny Silcox has already worked it out and told us. She said she thought it might be a China-Deep State-Google operation. That's what I think it is too. I think China has got it's sights on California. Politically, it's already nearly there. They might well have something similar to the old British territory of Hong Kong in mind.

[onawah]

According to Tavares and others, the areas in California where the strange fires have occurred are areas that are desired by the creators of Agenda 21 to be acquired for Nature Reserves. The plan is to corral the people (those that haven't been culled) into "smart cities" where they can be monitored and controlled 24/7, and the areas they were burned out of, flooded out of, etc. will not be repopulated. ( Except I would imagine the elite plan to have vast estates in those areas themselves; I haven't heard that that is actually part of the agenda, but it would logically follow, given their meglomaniacal tendencies .) And there have been reports of a wealth of gold yet to be mined in some of those areas.

I've been following HAARP, chem trails, etc for years. No doubt in my mind that these fires are not natural.
But I digress. My question is Who and Why. Why Santa Rosa and Paradise?
Is a message being sent?
Just Testing to see exactly what they can do?
Need to eliminate population from those areas to extract precious minerals?

[Dane]

If the Paradise fire(s) were intentionally created using exotic tech – that is an act of war, and the game underfoot is being up-stepped considerably. After reviewing just a sliver of the video evidence, there appears to be something truly unnatural here that warrants investigating. I can’t just sit on the sidelines on this one, and I have decided to direct some PSI TECH resources toward looking into it further.

We can know the truth about causation, (and also the who and the why), but the latter two data pieces are likely too hot to make public (at least for now).
What I hate about these projects... and its why I am reluctant to open them in the first place - is that it’s never a simple whodunit. The rabbit holes you end up going down in search of the truth - open all sorts of twists and turns unexpected (and potentially unpleasant) outcomes...

But if it turns out DE weapons were involved in this (and we can know that pretty easy), then this is just too much to ignore, and the core agenda needs to be known. At least I need to know.

More later...

Dane
http://www.psitech.net

[Bill Ryan]

If the Paradise fire(s) were intentionally created using exotic tech – that is an act of war, and the game underfoot is being up-stepped considerably. After reviewing just a sliver of the video evidence, there appears to be something truly unnatural here that warrants investigating. I can’t just sit on the sidelines on this one, and I have decided to direct some PSI TECH resources toward looking into it further.

We can know the truth about causation, (and also the who and the why), but the latter two data pieces are likely too hot to make public (at least for now).
What I hate about these projects... and its why I am reluctant to open them in the first place - is that it’s never a simple whodunit. The rabbit holes you end up going down in search of the truth - open all sorts of twists and turns unexpected (and potentially unpleasant) outcomes...

But if it turns out DE weapons were involved in this (and we can know that pretty easy), then this is just too much to ignore, and the core agenda needs to be known. At least I need to know.

More later...

Dane
http://www.psitech.net

Kudos. :star: Thank you, and please keep us informed.

I was agnostic about all this for really quite a while, remaining very interested without forming a conclusion.

Then when I watched the videos of the two firefighters (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1268078&viewfull=1#post1268078), and then the compelling and easy-to-understand presentation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103940-The-strangeness-of-the-California-Fires&p=1268307&viewfull=1#post1268307) by Dr Ginny Silcox, I'm now personally 100% convinced that something very unnatural (i.e. deliberately man-made) happened.

[onawah]

Alexandra Bruce reviewed the video here: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dustin-nemos-interviews-ginny-silcox-on-dews-the-wtc-and-norcal-fires/
as follows:
"Scientist Ginny Silcox joins Justin Nemos to talk about Directed Energy Weapons, the World Trade Center Towers and the California fires. This is a very interesting conversation, that deserves that one set aside some time to listen to it.
Silcox has been in electromagnetic compatibility research since the 1980s. She says when most people think about electromagnetic frequencies, they don’t tend to think about it having any physical effects. She reminds us of the old Memorex commercials, when the singer hit a note that was the same pitch as the resonant frequency of the wine glass, causing it to vibrate uncontrollably and to shatter. She says that in a nutshell, this is how the World Trade Center Towers were vaporized (!)
She reads from a science book by physicist Paul LaViolette, about how different kinds of materials respond differently to microwave frequencies and says that this explains the pronounced anomalies seen in the California fires, whereby houses were pulverized and trees directly beside them are quite unscathed.
Silcox reads from the book again, describing an experiment with a focused microwave beam and she says, “Here, I have been in the sciences for all these years and now I’m reading what they were doing with it all along that I had no knowledge of and and I can understand it and I find it thoroughly frightening…
“Basically, what I’m describing is something that can part us out, molecule by molecule.”
Silcox gets into detailed scientific descriptions of the EM spectrum and different kinds of EM and what may be happening, including the blue beams people have reported seeing in the California fires."




The following video is the most detailed, scientific explanation of what happened in the California fires. Dr, Ginny Silcox, had a Q-level government security clearance at one time, and her explanation is really earth-shattering (double entendre intended). I couldn't make up my mind whether to start a new thread considering how important this video is, but here it sits for now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub5H7mRSyg4

[Dane]

I will post a preliminary report in the next 2 weeks.

[norman]

With all the talk right now of Trump being on the brink of declaring a National Emergency, and seeing that this is indeed an act of war, you have to wonder what it's really all about, at Whitehouse level.

[avid]

But I digress. My question is Who and Why. Why Santa Rosa and Paradise?

Is a message being sent?
Just Testing to see exactly what they can do?
Need to eliminate population from those areas to extract precious minerals?

As for the Who's

Another country
Our own Country (Deep State)
A corporation

I think Ginny Silcox has already worked it out and told us. She said she thought it might be a China-Deep State-Google operation. That's what I think it is too. I think China has got it's sights on California. Politically, it's already nearly there. They might well have something similar to the old British territory of Hong Kong in mind.

China/Google... what about all the hoo-haa over Huawei, 5G and national securities lately. Is this the lynchpin of the danger?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46483337

Just search this company and you will get so many links to satellites, communications devices, etc etc

Onawah - your post on the 5G thread earlier correlates with this...
http://healthimpactnews.com/2019/20000-satellites-for-5g-to-be-launched-sending-focused-beams-of-intense-microwave-radiation-over-entire-earth/
20,000 Satellites to be launched to cover entire earth with intense microwave radiation.

[Frenchy]

-Has AJ turned, initially,I thought he was a stooge, given a bone to gain ' credibility ' in the alt movement,[ esp., with that Boh. Grove parody.. ] but, for some time i now ask whether this obnoxious individual, has seen the light ?
{ A little bit like the Essex ' Simon Cowell ', became more 'humam ', and caring ? }

[Bill Ryan]

This question came from onawah on my personal Q-and-A thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--).



Do you have any contacts among whistleblowers/researchers who would be able to shed some light on whether Tavares is a legitimate whistleblower, and whether the info that Snoop4Truth is sharing is legit, and would you be willing to contact them to bring their attention to it?

It might just be worth reporting this here, from Dr Ginny Silcox in her most clear and excellent video re-embedded below... bumped again with no apologies. It's that good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub5H7mRSyg4

Dr Ginny says at 54:58:



I've tried to contact Deborah Tavares. Because they've got the science ALL WRONG. But they ARE correct in the need to organize, and the need to monitor things.
Again. This interview with Dr Ginny is the one we never got from Dr Judy Wood about all this. In my opinion, it could not be more important.


“Basically, what I’m describing is something that can part us out, molecule by molecule.”

Dr Ginny speculates, seriously, that this is what happened to maybe a large number of people trapped in their cars. Just as the car tires were incinerated or vaporized by the steel radial belts within the rubber, people sitting in their car seats [she suggests] would have been incinerated or vaporized because of the powerful induction currents in the steel springs within the seats. It would have been like each person or family was in a large microwave oven with no way out.

If that's what happened, there would have been literally nothing left of them within a very short time... just like there's nothing left of any of the car tires. And this might be why so many are still missing.

The forensic teams collecting DNA to try to assist friends and relatives would not be in on any part of this... their level of briefing and understanding would have been that it was just a regular, serious large fire. They'd not be scraping the footwells of the cars looking for a few scorched chromosomes, all that might remain.

[waves]

My question is Who and Why. Why Santa Rosa and Paradise? ...

Definitely my question too but let's not leave out any.

(homes/total structures) The question is why Santa Rosa (6,700+/9,000+), Redding/'Carr' (1000+/?), Butte/'Paradise'(14,000+/?) and Malibu (400+/670+) - possibly also Lake County right next to Santa Rosa/Sonoma from a few years ago (2015: 1,322/1,955). i wouldn't be surprised if any other recent year CA fires have the same signatures but did not generate the same recognition. There sure are plenty more fires around the world with the signatures!

So far they seem random and pointless and I still don't see what any long term payoff any are going to be to any of the nefarious theories posed so far.


According to Tavares and others, the areas in California where the strange fires have occurred are areas that are desired by the creators of Agenda 21 to be acquired for Nature Reserves. The plan is to corral the people (those that haven't been culled) into "smart cities" where they can be monitored and controlled 24/7, and the areas they were burned out of, flooded out of, etc. will not be repopulated....

Not being imposed so far. The decimation of the middle of the city of Santa Rosa Coffey Park area plus the upper middle class Larkfield and uber rich Fountaingrove right across the freeway from it have zero to do with 'nature reserve' acquisition, there have been some new building code demands, but there has been no attempt to stop people from rebuilding anywhere as they please. There has been no talk and no attempt to corral anyone into a new 'Smart City' in Santa Rosa. A Smart City is not being demanded in hilly/remote Redding or Malibu either.

There are many untouched homes scattered within burn areas too - I assume that's a big thorn to any agenda needing control of a continuous entire area.

The biggest yet, Paradise, appears to have it's own set of red flags however. First, it's not in the path of the proposed high speed rail. That's not it. Can it really be only the gold and or lumber??? I really don't think so.

But the loss of life and destruction is huge. I am realizing it is the greatest act of treason by US forces against it's own citizens on US soil to date.

I'm in northern CA. The silent surreality horror here of feeling totally surrounded by evil with attacks this malicious going un-challenged by a colluding leftist media offering zero reporting of the greatest acts of destruction and genocide in United States history is beyond creepy. There has been NO investigative or follow up reporting by any media about the 14,000 homes decimated in Paradise let alone the true number of missing.... we now know it's likely 1000's of people also VAPORIZED in their homes or cars as we learn more about this technology.

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For a big puzzle piece, this interview reveals much about how massive the preparations were prior to the ignition and the creepiness of the militaristic actions before, during and after the fire. Even the early public reports frequently boasted about the 1000's of 'workers' having arrived near instantly. Paradise is far from everywhere. At the time I wondered where they came from and where they were all staying in the middle of chaos - they were already there.

This interview is a pain to listen to - bad quality and amateurish everything by Jamie Lee of aplanetruth - a well intentioned and flat earther guy with lots of flaws, assumptions and mistakes - doing the only relentless reporting of all the CA fires, possibly the beginnings of the biggest story to unfold in this 21st century.

I've said this before - I hear raw testimony like this as being a legendary recording in the future. I can see people in 2060 replaying these first observations noticed by confused and concerned real people foretelling the very ominous future they're now fully inside the ramifications and revelations of.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSiWIUeiVxg&ab_channel=aplanetruth.info

[Frenchy]

No mention of Coffey Park, here, wasn't that identical ?
I might be off the mark here, however, EVERYTHING is happening North of L.A. CoffeyPark, Fracking, US Navy map showing Part of Rockies gone, Cascadia, Yellowstone, the DEEP Buried stock-pie Methane, which released around a year ago...

I don;t have a corrolation, being in #France, this is remote for me...........

BUT, the implications................ will impact everyone at sea-level....

{ or sea-curve, depending on your P.o.V. :-)) }

Apology, I missed the Santa Rosa - Coffey Park :-((

[onawah]

I lived in California for 20 years, and I suspect that if there is such a thing as a device that measures the vibratory rate of a population in specific areas, those areas that have been hit would measure very high for spiritual consciousness, and that might be something that the Cabal would like to disrupt and scatter.
(Of course, as we know there are lots of "snowflakes" in No. Cal. too; still....)
In any case, it's all very desirable real estate, and their plans are apparently quite long term. We may just be seeing the first of many such moves.
"Smart cities" can't be built over night, but signs of them are cropping up.
Tavares has visited some of them, and they are featured in her videos.
Real estate targeted for future Nature Preserves might not be given up finally by their present owners until a few more catastrophes have made living there too obviously hazardous.

So far they seem random and pointless and I still don't see what any long term payoff any are going to be to any of the nefarious theories posed so far.

Not being imposed so far. The decimation of the middle of the city of Santa Rosa Coffey Park area plus the upper middle class Larkfield and uber rich Fountaingrove right across the freeway from it have zero to do with 'nature reserve' acquisition, there have been some new building code demands, but there has been no attempt to stop people from rebuilding anywhere as they please. There has been no talk and no attempt to corral anyone into a new 'Smart City' in Santa Rosa. A Smart City is not being demanded in hilly/remote Redding or Malibu either.