QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

[waves]

3. Monitoring all thought and predicting future behavior moment by moment on an individual basis, ability to trigger disease, behavior, thoughts or death at the discretion of AI's ever updating analysis.

[Ratszinger]

Some of us may just be paranoid too! :-) I think I may have picked up on aliens dwelling on Q also. (note the D. Rodman pic) LOL!:ROFL:
Seriously though I wasn't going to post the other pic of the image I had in my mind that I did of the three men because I didn't think anything of it until watching the videos linking to Riordan's videos when he was referring in I think 5-1 about an apparition, or fog, or blur and I got that also in the one I was seeing. I saw three men clearly in the early Aug. read I did but the one was not clear to me and I couldn't see his face. It reminded me of a porn flick like you'd see at bachelor parties where they blocked out the genitals and nips. I drew it up yesterday blurred up to try to represent what I imaged in that read best I could recall.

The image of three men looking at a computer screen and they were arguing over how to proceed. This is early from back when first heard of Q and since I've played with Runes I've made myself I began doing some divination and meditating. Then as is the others earlier I felt like I was getting something but this Rodman is the latest and not the first time Dennis Rodman has popped into my head when thinking or dwelling on Q. It's the one I did yesterday when thinking of Q. Not sure why just throwing it out there in case someone else is sitting on something also that they didn't want to tell about but could somehow be related. Rodman is an alien in a lot of ways though if you ask me and he does have a relationship that is unprecedented with Kim J Ung! Just a personal observation. Ha!

[ThePythonicCow]

Yea, but 2. has got lousy PR and I can't see any way in hell it will be welcome. Only force or deception or both combined would make it happen. Surely ?

As best as I can tell, 2. (my "big" AI definition, above) is happening, and the lousy PR is deeply entangled with controlled opposition, the better to entrap any honest resistance in futile or self-defeating efforts.

[onawah]

I think there is one component to the debate that is being overlooked or at the very least, underestimated; one that very soon can determine whether or not we can even have the presence of mind to continue having a discussion such as this for much longer, and I suggest you start here with Bob's very astute post to see what it is: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1250035&viewfull=1#post1250035
Also, Dark Journalist isn't done yet with his exploration of the X factor, and I would stay tuned for more revelations in upcoming episodes. His psychic guest on the most recent installment made some important points: that the culminating point in the spiraling cycle humanity has been caught up in for so long, that began even way before Atlantis, has come around again, that the direction (positive or negative) that any technology takes is shaped by the minds that create it, that, at present, when she looks at CERN what she sees is chaos (though that can change). Their discussion goes on to emphasize the importance of individual development and keeping up one's defenses to negative influences, even to 5G.

[ThePythonicCow]

1708 – (this is where history repeats and we see echoes of the Q movement as it emerges today) Jonathan Swift and Liebniz (representing the platonic-hermetic tradition) began publishing cryptic warnings, under the pseudonym ‘Isaac Bickerstaff’, to the Venetian deep state, which was embedded within Londons political system. (How the Nation was Won - Graham Lowry (https://archive.org/details/HowTheNationWasWonAmericasUntoldStory1630-1754) page 98 onwards 'Deciphering Isaac Bickerstaff'). The Bickerstaff psy-op sufficiently rattled the Venetian oligarchs, and they momentarily loosed their grip on the American colonies, just long enough for a movement to rally - as the rest of that book describes - the ultimate outcome of the operation was the founding of the United States of America and the institutionalising of the American Constitution; the first major win for the hermetic, Pythagorean ‘winged-serpent’ tradition, a sign the Kali Yuga may be nearing its end.

It would seem that the actual, searchable, text of the predictions of ‘Isaac Bickerstaff’ can be read at: Predictions For the Year 1708, By Isaac Bickerstaff, Esq. (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Works_of_the_Rev._Jonathan_Swift/Volume_5/Predictions_For_the_Year_1708,_By_Isaac_Bickerstaff,_Esq.)

There are perhaps a 100 (I did not count) events predicted to happen, typically to some person or people or in some location, on some day or in some month, of 1708. Here is a random sample of such a prediction:
On the 20th [of June 1708] cardinal Portocarero will die of a dysentery, with great suspicion of poison; but the report of his intention to revolt to king Charles will prove false. I am at a loss as to how to decode these Bickerstaff Predictions, even after skimming some portion of H. Graham Lowry's fine "How the West Was Won", Volume 1, especially the section 'Deciphering Isaac Bickerstaff' beginning on page 98.

I suppose it should not be surprising that I am unable to decode these predictions. It has taken me months of consideration, in cooperation with thousands of more energetic autists than myself, for me to begin to make reliable sense of Q's drops, and this is after well over a half century of paying fairly close attention to the history and politics of the U.S that form the fabric from which Q's material is woven.

[Jayke]

1708 – (this is where history repeats and we see echoes of the Q movement as it emerges today) Jonathan Swift and Liebniz (representing the platonic-hermetic tradition) began publishing cryptic warnings, under the pseudonym ‘Isaac Bickerstaff’, to the Venetian deep state, which was embedded within Londons political system. (How the Nation was Won - Graham Lowry (https://archive.org/details/HowTheNationWasWonAmericasUntoldStory1630-1754) page 98 onwards 'Deciphering Isaac Bickerstaff'). The Bickerstaff psy-op sufficiently rattled the Venetian oligarchs, and they momentarily loosed their grip on the American colonies, just long enough for a movement to rally - as the rest of that book describes - the ultimate outcome of the operation was the founding of the United States of America and the institutionalising of the American Constitution; the first major win for the hermetic, Pythagorean ‘winged-serpent’ tradition, a sign the Kali Yuga may be nearing its end.

It would seem that the actual, searchable, text of the predictions of ‘Isaac Bickerstaff’ can be read at: Predictions For the Year 1708, By Isaac Bickerstaff, Esq. (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Works_of_the_Rev._Jonathan_Swift/Volume_5/Predictions_For_the_Year_1708,_By_Isaac_Bickerstaff,_Esq.)

There are perhaps a 100 (I did not count) events predicted to happen, typically to some person or people or in some location, on some day or in some month, of 1708. Here is a random sample of such a prediction:
On the 20th [of June 1708] cardinal Portocarero will die of a dysentery, with great suspicion of poison; but the report of his intention to revolt to king Charles will prove false. I am at a loss as to how to decode these Bickerstaff Predictions, even after skimming some portion of H. Graham Lowry's fine "How the West Was Won", Volume 1, especially the section 'Deciphering Isaac Bickerstaff' beginning on page 98.

I suppose it should not be surprising that I am unable to decode these predictions. It has taken me months of consideration, in cooperation with thousands of more energetic autists than myself, for me to begin to make reliable sense of Q's drops, and this is after well over a half century of paying fairly close attention to the history and politics of the U.S that form the fabric from which Q's material is woven.

A full read of the book might be necassary to understand the context and recognise the motives of the players involved. The predictions of when a person is going to die, are basically calling out members of the Jesuit deep state, the perpetual war mongers who rely on behind-the-scenes dealing to set their agendas in motion. Telling them exactly how and when they’ll die if they don’t change course before the assassins are sent in.

Page 101:


My first prediction is but a trifle, yet I will mention it, to show how ignorant those Sottish pretenders to astrology are in their concerns: it relates Partridge and the Almanack-maker; I have consulted his nativity by my own rules, and find he will infallibly die upon the 29th of March next, about eleven at night, of a raging fever; therefore I advise him to consider of it, and settle his affairs

It’s a similar strategy seen in Trumps sealed indictments, or the threat of the FISA declassification. Naming the names of people who thought they were hidden and letting them know they’ll be heading to jail if they don’t stop their subversive machinations behind the scenes.

Sun Tzu had a similar strategem. Strategem 13: Hit the grass to startle the snake.

That’s my interpretation of the whole affair anyway.

[muxfolder]

That remote viewing session was unbelievable. It's something Omni has been telling us for a long time which I've been thinking is really out there. Seem to fit perfectly. Plus all those targeted individuals. Is that why there any at first place, because that's who they are testing this same technology? Some very, very rich individuals are (including that some crypto-currency-guy) about to launch some new religion where we live in virtual reality and they already live in those conditions themselves? Who knows what that tech is about, it must be very very advanced and that AI too.

My summary is, they found some advanced technology, not man made, didn't know how to deal with it, that AI must have been part of it. Then they moved all that tech to black projects and came to conclusion that the AI is superior to humanity. And then afterwards they, whoever they are, are now pushing this tech through Q by exposing what all the political leaders are all about, including Hollywood (I mean those corrupted pedos who are very much into occult). It's all connected and actually makes sense. A new religion. "Dawn of the new day". That's something Jordan Maxwell mentioned few years ago.

[Praxis]

Hurray, Now we have one more thread on Q! Just what we needed.

I like how all the pro Q people come into this thread and post some initially wishy washy things about Q posts and feign like they are puzzled.

But here we are on page 13 of the thread and we are just full on using this thread the same way as the all the other Q threads.

To me it says a lot that this thread is mainly populated by Dennis, who is consistently crushing it with quality anti war anti status quo commentary, and then a bunch of pro Q taking what seems to be the stance of "So what if it is probably BS but a least they are trolling the deep state LOL"

Literally two post above this is pushing the same sealed indictment Q bull**** as the other thread like it is truth.

[Baby Steps]

See the following, I doubt that the huge indictment count is pure speculation


#QAnon believers do have one very real piece of evidence at their disposal: the existence of sealed indictments is public. They can be found by searching the U.S. government’s court documents access system, PACER.

PACER charges only a nominal fee for search results, and is open to the public, providing at least some information on every case currently in the federal district courts.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dailydot.com/layer8/sealed-indictments-qanon-conspiracy/

There are many shades and varieties of opinion on this, between pro and anti, including that there is some truth in some of the drops, that some big hitters are going down, but that the overall agenda of the group posting is opaque and possibly sinister or manipulative

[muxfolder]

Literally two post above this is pushing the same sealed indictment Q bull**** as the other thread like it is truth.

If you were referring to my post, I'm not really into Q-stuff at all. I've been on the fence since day one. That above post was about those remote viewing sessions which I thought were really interesting.:)

[Dennis Leahy]

In my lifetime, there have been 2 MAJOR operations done by the "unelected government"/"shadow government"/"deep state" (real group of people that control the US and much of the world from behind the curtain):

The assassination of JFK

and

9/11.

World changing, paradigm changing events. (Note that the big chair in the oval office has been occupied by d and r factions back and forth before and since Nov 22nd, 1963 - this isn't a democrat thing or a republican thing, it is a deep state thing.)

Keep your eye on the ball. These events show us who is running the show. Eisenhower told us in 1961 that the military-security industrial complex had already become too powerful - he virtually told us it is the nucleus of the deep state.

The USA, INC.'s main problem - as a nation - is that the economy is based on war, war profiteering, weapons manufacture, the military, the 900+ military bases and torture centers and black prisons, being terroristic, genocidal imperialists, and linking arms with other terroristic nations (israel and saudi arabia.) ALL OF THIS is the work of the "deep state" control and agenda.

There is no such thing as "draining the swamp" without dismantling the deep state.

Exposing one facet, obama's specific corruption of spying on trump and the democrats 'Russiagate' gambit, is not exposing the deep state - it is partisan and focused away from exposing the deep state. "q" isn't focused on exposing the deep state, just in exposing partisan corruption. Calling for regime change in Iran shows that "q" is deep state - no amount of pretzel logic twists and turns can hide it. "q" is military or ex-military, jar-headed ("hoorah!") which is to say believes in military/interventionist "solutions", and (by ascribing to trump a great intellect) belongs to the gop/republican faction of the duopoly. Real, psy-op, or LARP - it doesn't matter once you identify that the source is deep state aligned, and partisan.

Wake me up when a member of the deep state, with the ammo they need, is taking down the deep state. Until then, enjoy the low-level faction war between deep state controlled democrats and deep state controlled republicans. Oh, but don't worry if you have a horse in this race, the other faction will simply pardon the guilty players in the end - like ford did for nixon, and obummer did for w. Don't expect to see barry hitting 3-pointers on a prison basketball court anytime soon. hillary is Teflon too - don't expect her to be hanging from any gallows soon. To achieve a level of security clearance within the deep state hierarchy to actually have the goods to take down the deep state seems impossible to me, because to get to that level within the (mobster) organization, the person would have had to participate in numerous heinous acts to prove loyalty and sociopathy. So, I'm not even looking for a deep state insider to take them down.

[Ratszinger]

In my lifetime, there have been 2 MAJOR operations done by the "unelected government"/"shadow government"/"deep state" (real group of people that control the US and much of the world from behind the curtain):

The assassination of JFK

and

9/11.

World changing, paradigm changing events. (Note that the big chair in the oval office has been occupied by d and r factions back and forth before and since Nov 22nd, 1963 - this isn't a democrat thing or a republican thing, it is a deep state thing.)

Keep your eye on the ball. These events show us who is running the show. Eisenhower told us in 1961 that the military-security industrial complex had already become too powerful - he virtually told us it is the nucleus of the deep state.

The USA, INC.'s main problem - as a nation - is that the economy is based on war, war profiteering, weapons manufacture, the military, the 900+ military bases and torture centers and black prisons, being terroristic, genocidal imperialists, and linking arms with other terroristic nations (israel and saudi arabia.) ALL OF THIS is the work of the "deep state" control and agenda.

There is no such thing as "draining the swamp" without dismantling the deep state.

Exposing one facet, obama's specific corruption of spying on trump and the democrats 'Russiagate' gambit, is not exposing the deep state - it is partisan and focused away from exposing the deep state. "q" isn't focused on exposing the deep state, just in exposing partisan corruption. Calling for regime change in Iran shows that "q" is deep state - no amount of pretzel logic twists and turns can hide it. "q" is military or ex-military, jar-headed ("hoorah!") which is to say believes in military/interventionist "solutions", and (by ascribing to trump a great intellect) belongs to the gop/republican faction of the duopoly. Real, psy-op, or LARP - it doesn't matter once you identify that the source is deep state aligned, and partisan.

Wake me up when a member of the deep state, with the ammo they need, is taking down the deep state. Until then, enjoy the low-level faction war between deep state controlled democrats and deep state controlled republicans. Oh, but don't worry if you have a horse in this race, the other faction will simply pardon the guilty players in the end - like ford did for nixon, and obummer did for w. Don't expect to see barry hitting 3-pointers on a prison basketball court anytime soon. hillary is Teflon too - don't expect her to be hanging from any gallows soon. To achieve a level of security clearance within the deep state hierarchy to actually have the goods to take down the deep state seems impossible to me, because to get to that level within the (mobster) organization, the person would have had to participate in numerous heinous acts to prove loyalty and sociopathy. So, I'm not even looking for a deep state insider to take them down.

I think the hidden hand was probably involved in the other three presidents deaths also as well as shooting Reagan. I find it very plausible at this point to just go ahead and figure that the hidden hand wanted Trump in there all along. I suspect we are seeing and will see more people apparently very high up take a plunge, even die suspiciously even up to the Rothschilds and Rockefellers but these are just upper management public faces, now sacrificial lambs! The hidden hand can always get new puppets after the offering up of their minions.

[TargeT]

OKC bombing doesn't count also?

False invasion of Kuwait was in the 90's.. that should count?

Gulf of Tonkin? (not on US soil, but still.... You probably were alive for that?)

and out side of your life time... holy crap...

Pearl Harbor set up?

there are so many more.


"q" is military or ex-military, jar-headed ("hoorah!") which is to say believes in military/interventionist "solutions", and (by ascribing to trump a great intellect) belongs to the gop/republican faction of the duopoly.

BTW, unless you've experienced military life, do not slander us with your lack of knowledge. The military community is very easy to paint in a certain way due to it's portrayal in modern media, but it is still composed of a broad sweep of Americans, and usually lower socioeconomic status Americans; not evil, violent malicious people.

For example.... Hoorah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooah) is Army, not Marines; granted all the branches have a similar "battle cry" (going back for hundreds of years something very similar has existed... "Huzzah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzzah)" being one of the older ones) ;).

I'd say the majority of the military's members are extremely NON-interventionist, it's not fun getting shot at or blown up; we don't want it.

[RunningDeer]

One more from Edward Riordan RV series:


Anomaly Found: I said infinity and wrote ifinity twice. What is IFINITY? (8:43 minutes)




An anomaly that happened in the final session done on July 29, 2018. I'm going into the final session and exploring the machine learning and I'm in the AI part.

{snip}

This is the part of the session where the anomaly happens. I'm in this AI thing. I mean this whole solving problems thing and I’m just gonna play this part of the session here like like what is there beyond problem-solving infinity.

{snip}

Okay, right here in my mind as I'm going through this, and this notion comes into my mind. What is there beyond problem-solving? I'm waiting for the word to come into my mind to describe what I'm experiencing. The word that pops into my mind is infinity and I'm saying infinity. But when I go to write it I write it as ifinity and I write it in block letters which is not very common
for me.

{snip}

I did not realize until I was until I was making the last video and going over the pages and noticed that I spelled it wrong.

{snip}

But somebody had commented that Ifinity is a company. It is something real I didn't not I did not know this. I looked it up my Ifinity is a company out of Poland who was developing smart cities and these beacons which are like wireless basically creating a complete wire wireless grid where every almost everything is on there. I found one of their advertising videos here on YouTube. (added below)



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Edward Riordan
Published on Sep 25, 2018



Ifinity - Smart Cities. Smart People. Smart Living (3:26 minutes)
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(more smart cities vids here (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Eyefinity+smart+city))

[Ascension]

Dark Journalist with Joseph Farrell are of the combined opinion that Q is drawing in three sectors of the population...pro-Trump people, evangelicals and everyone opposed to baby killing - my take on their position.

With these remote viewing sessions, I would suggest a fourth group is possibly being targeted - those who have esoteric leanings.

I do not know the history of this Riordan guy. Looks like he's been posting sessions for many years. But is it possible that he is a compromised player? He decided to post these sessions for the public. That may simply be a monetary move, jumping on the Q bandwagon to grab more patreon subscribers. Or, it might be he truly desires some answers and wants to discover what is going on. Or, he might be compromised. Especially in light of the possibility this is a huge, well-funded operation.

My impressions of those sessions were mixed. I could not get a firm read on his opinion. He seemed to waffle. First, he presented more detail than I've seen from other remote viewing sessions. Second, I had the distinct feeling in some portions that he was presenting an almost exalted look at the people behind this technology. While sometimes saying it was game changing and scary, he would also hint the people are better than us, they believe in what they are doing, they are hiding what they are doing for a reason, they live the life they wish to create, all their needs are being taken care of, etc. - almost a pro position.

Could this be a glimpse into how the technology might be made to look attractive to a certain part of the populace, or at least opening up a thought process in that direction.

I'm trying to remain in observation mode. It's tough when every player has the potential to be friend, enemy or neutral. And of course, that subjective determination is all relative to my starting position which already sits off-center.

(As an aside, because many people do not buy into word craft, I do not like the anagram for mind peak - kidnap me, nor do I like some of phrases coming out of an anagrams for Edward Riordan.)

[norman]

I can't take those "remote viewing" sessions seriously at all.


The guy was not doing it right. He's supposed to not know what he's viewing. You can't just decide " I'm going to remote view Q" and then make a video of it as if it's the real thing. Well, you can, but it's nonsense.

[Dennis Leahy]

...


"q" is military or ex-military, jar-headed ("hoorah!") which is to say believes in military/interventionist "solutions", and (by ascribing to trump a great intellect) belongs to the gop/republican faction of the duopoly.BTW, unless you've experienced military life, do not slander us with your lack of knowledge. The military community is very easy to paint in a certain way due to it's portrayal in modern media, but it is still composed of a broad sweep of Americans, and usually lower socioeconomic status Americans; not evil, violent malicious people.

For example.... Hoorah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooah) is Army, not Marines; granted all the branches have a similar "battle cry" (going back for hundreds of years something very similar has existed... "Huzzah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzzah)" being one of the older ones) ;).

I'd say the majority of the military's members are extremely NON-interventionist, it's not fun getting shot at or blown up; we don't want it.
Compliant then. Obedient. Very few do NOT do as they are ordered to do. Whether a soldier HAS ethics and morals or not, when they follow orders and shoot, the bullet fired does the same damage to the human targeted. The inner battle in a soldiers mind - between following orders and having a conscience - is seen in the ridiculously high suicide rate among ex-soldiers. Having that working conscience is one thing, being compliant in following orders is another.

"Oorah!" (sorry, I misspelled it) is Marines. But this is the minutia of my post. "q" "dropped" a variant of that word/battle cry, and the significance is obvious. It IS a battle cry and does out (or strongly indicate) that q is military of some sort. A bunch of people think q is just some random guy in his mom's basement, and I am underscoring that no, it really does look like this person/group IS military or ex-military by the inclusion of a military battle cry in the "drops."

"regime change!"

"oorah!"

"regime change!"

"oorah!"

"regime change!"

"oorah!"

My point isn't about bitch-slapping members of the US military. My point in bringing it up, again, is to underscore that q is military and aligned with the deep state.

I am well aware that there are many fewer jobs in the USA, INC. since the corporatists moved virtually all manufacturing to 3rd world countries, (for human exploitation, cheap resources, and no "bothersome" ecological concerns), and that the US military has funneled poor and "under-employed" US citizens into the military (just as they have funneled poor people into a mercenary army, ISIS.) I don't believe that generally evil people join the military - but the military they are joining is committing acts of evil, over and over, generation after generation of soldiers following deep state orders. The US military is the muscle of the deep state.

[Ratszinger]

The spirit has a way of getting through at times even to the hard headed. I was led straight to Star Trek Voyager, something I never really took to when it was running (just didn't like it) and by accident I click it meaning to pick another but before I knew it the episode was running and it's the Borg opening scene saying the line in my sig. I was taken in enough to continue and well, it goes right into nano-tech and synthetic cells disguising themselves as real so they can attach to a body they infect and take it over! It was so spooky the way it's about what Riordan was going over I was getting chills. If you have the subscription on Netflix you should check it out at least to the scene where the holographic doctor of the series goes in to how the machines take over! It's the wow factor or it was for me anyway. Oh, episode title Scorpion (two parter)

[TargeT]

Compliant then. Obedient. Very few do NOT do as they are ordered to do. Whether a soldier HAS ethics and morals or not, when they follow orders and shoot, the bullet fired does the same damage to the human targeted.


Soldiers are psychologically manipulated, just like the rest of the US; we (in general) blindly vaccinate our days old infants, use pharmaceuticals for everything etc... your describing Americans, not military.

Does a person over using antibiotics not have ethics or morals (if they knew better, that would be a valid question)? Do doctors rampantly prescribing addictive medication or strait over prescribing (causing death usually) drugs have ethic or moral issues?.... Does a bartender serving a customer a drink have ethics or moral issues (the customer obviously drove to the bar...right?) Does a corporate take over manager have ethics or moral issues? (usually results in downsizing and thousands of jobs lost)...

Don't pin all this on military, your talking about a social problem.... one exacerbated by the culture of "appeal to authority" we exist in.





The US military is the muscle of the deep state.

So we should go after the muscle and not the brain? Focus on the symptom and not the problem? I'm not sure what your after here... Seems the same as Q,, focusing your aim too low.

[shaberon]

OKC bombing doesn't count also?

False invasion of Kuwait was in the 90's.. that should count?

Gulf of Tonkin? (not on US soil, but still.... You probably were alive for that?)

and out side of your life time... holy crap...

Pearl Harbor set up?

...I'd say the majority of the military's members are extremely NON-interventionist, it's not fun getting shot at or blown up; we don't want it.

I took that as meaning instantaneous, major paradigm shifts...OKC, Kuwait, etc., no, were not. Pearl Harbor yes further back.

The majority of military members count for nothing don't they? No influence from them. I think if you look at a normal person like Smedley Butler who rose through the ranks, did the fighting, and started to notice the corruption, then usually you would wind up non-interventionist. It may not be the best term to equate "military" with "interventionism" because Detente is also a strategy that allows for tons of buildup and hence large pools of money.

If this noise source wants to affect Iran, the only real military benefit would be to Israel, whereas it would have multiple purposes for deep state overall. If it is this plus evangelical then it is quite unwelcome here.

[Baby Steps]

Listening to the praying medic piece where he inserts Mr Flynn, giving a speech about the constitution, I found it disturbing.

Flynn is supposed to be one of the good guys, and it's easy to imagine him sitting in on a group who are working as Q.

The concerning bit was how he conflated the oath of allegiance with a kind of modern military mistique, or esprit-de-corps, that exists among patriots and the military as they intervene around the world. but hold on, these interventions are driven by corruption, and globalist tyranny. Flynn should be imo expressing anger that so many heroic people gave their lives, because the state told them it was in service to the interests of their nation, and/or justice and law , when in fact it was misguided, illegal and plain wrong. If he is a part of the establishment who is responsible for the terrorism, he should be apologising for the errors.

Either that or disown the establishment and promise that change is coming. This in no way detracts from the heroism of the military.

The oath to defend the constitution is a very different thing, and trying to conflate it with modern tyrannical aggression is deeply concerning. Is this the mentality of those behind q? I fear SO.

The idea that it is just low level partisan rivalry, is credible, but one has to ask the question, ' if you expose the shenanigans how far will it go and can it be controlled?'.

If the depth of corruption on one wing of the bird becomes known, can it be confined to a one-sided clean up? Would people not demand a set of pro transparency and accountability reforms that transcend partisan issues? Maybe only time will tell.

[TargeT]

I took that as meaning instantaneous, major paradigm shifts...OKC, Kuwait, etc., no, were not. Pearl Harbor yes further back.

1991: Kuwait about to be invaded, we show the UN that there are 1,500 of tanks (https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p01s02-wosc.html) lined up on the Kuwaiti boarder preparing to invade... setting up our eventual "bad guy".... the "Iraqi".

1993: World Trade Center bombing, Clinton tries to pass a "patriot act"-like (https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/30/us/a-nation-challenged-the-response-planning-for-terror-but-failing-to-act.html) piece of legislation (suspected ties to Iraq)

1995: OKC ombing, patriot act (earlier version (https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/patriot-act)) was attempted to pass (claimed domestic terrorism)

THEN

2001: 9/11 attacks, we all know that story pretty well, finally got the patriot act passed (blame Iraq again)....

I think they are all closely tied together; and build on one another to the crassendo of 9/11.






The majority of military members count for nothing don't they? No influence from them.

yes, that's mostly true.

[Ratszinger]

I took that as meaning instantaneous, major paradigm shifts...OKC, Kuwait, etc., no, were not. Pearl Harbor yes further back.

1991: Kuwait about to be invaded, we show the UN that there are 1,500 of tanks (https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p01s02-wosc.html) lined up on the Kuwaiti boarder preparing to invade... setting up our eventual "bad guy".... the "Iraqi".

1993: World Trade Center bombing, Clinton tries to pass a "patriot act"-like (https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/30/us/a-nation-challenged-the-response-planning-for-terror-but-failing-to-act.html) piece of legislation (suspected ties to Iraq)

1995: OKC ombing, patriot act (earlier version (https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/patriot-act)) was attempted to pass (claimed domestic terrorism)

THEN

2001: 9/11 attacks, we all know that story pretty well, finally got the patriot act passed (blame Iraq again)....

I think they are all closely tied together; and build on one another to the crassendo of 9/11.






The majority of military members count for nothing don't they? No influence from them.

yes, that's mostly true.

I don't see Flynn being any different than Trump or Q. As one thing is for sure Q follows and is quite familiar with the ART OF WAR and that tells me Q is all for the continuing wars around the globe. Oh I'm sorry, I mean to say, "skirmishes' since that is what we call the actions of our looting and plundering soldier culture.

[PurpleLama]

As one thing is for sure Q follows and is quite familiar with the ART OF WAR and that tells me Q is all for the continuing wars around the globe.

Many people follow and are familiar with that text. I think your statement needs some work.

[Ratszinger]

As one thing is for sure Q follows and is quite familiar with the ART OF WAR and that tells me Q is all for the continuing wars around the globe.

Many people follow and are familiar with that text. I think your statement needs some work.

Tell me more. Syria is under fire right now. Trump knows it. End of story.

[Dennis Leahy]

Compliant then. Obedient. Very few do NOT do as they are ordered to do. Whether a soldier HAS ethics and morals or not, when they follow orders and shoot, the bullet fired does the same damage to the human targeted.


Soldiers are psychologically manipulated, just like the rest of the US; we (in general) blindly vaccinate our days old infants, use pharmaceuticals for everything etc... your describing Americans, not military.

Does a person over using antibiotics not have ethics or morals (if they knew better, that would be a valid question)? Do doctors rampantly prescribing addictive medication or strait over prescribing (causing death usually) drugs have ethic or moral issues?.... Does a bartender serving a customer a drink have ethics or moral issues (the customer obviously drove to the bar...right?) Does a corporate take over manager have ethics or moral issues? (usually results in downsizing and thousands of jobs lost)...

Don't pin all this on military, your talking about a social problem.... one exacerbated by the culture of "appeal to authority" we exist in.





The US military is the muscle of the deep state.

So we should go after the muscle and not the brain? Focus on the symptom and not the problem? I'm not sure what your after here... Seems the same as Q,, focusing your aim too low.
I think your point is correct that what I identified is a societal problem, but this thread is about q and I am underscoring that with the "regime change" and war cry in the "drops", q is identifying as military and echoing deep state agenda.

I never said we should go after the muscle and not the brain. (Strawman.)

[Ascension]

39151


Disclaimer: This is not meant to be criticism of any research topic or specific researcher. It simply struck me as funny. :bigsmile:

[Just found out, after asking my husband who sent me the picture whether or not it was copyrighted, that it was he who found the bug picture and added the Q's. I knew there was a reason I married this man.]

[PurpleLama]

As one thing is for sure Q follows and is quite familiar with the ART OF WAR and that tells me Q is all for the continuing wars around the globe.

Many people follow and are familiar with that text. I think your statement needs some work.

Tell me more. Syria is under fire right now. Trump knows it. End of story.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/aow/aow00.htm

Here, you may read the text in full.

[PurpleLama]

39151


Disclaimer: This is not meant to be criticism of any research topic or specific researcher. It simply struck me as funny. :bigsmile:

[Just found out, after asking my husband who sent me the picture whether or not it was copyrighted, that it was he who found the bug picture and added the Q's. I knew there was a reason I married this man.]

Lemmings, not bugs. They are known in pop culture as a species of rodent, and when one starts running the rest will follow, even if the one jumps off a cliff.

[Ascension]

Lemmings, not bugs. They are known in pop culture as a species of rodent, and when one starts running the rest will follow, even if the one jumps off a cliff.

Hmm, wasn't planning on analyzing the picture to this extent but...

Yes, the image is a representation of lemmings, however, the image is drawn as bugs. True, the bugs are meant to be stick figure renderings of lemmings and the overall concept is easily recognizable as such, but the bugs add a secondary layer of humor when viewed as bugs.

[Dennis Leahy]

Is this thread still about q drops, and what they might mean?

When I highlighted the red flag of q calling for regime change in Iran, I think most of you said, "no, that's not true" and proposed your own interpretation of those words. Does it change things, in your mind, when trump and his 9/11 pal and lawyer, rudy, both talk about regime change in Iran? Are you still so sure the convoluted meaning of "regime change" on Iran is really q's message? Did you hear trump's speech at the UN? Or guiliani's speech? Does q support trump's call for regime change in Iran, or not?

The bigger question that I asked is: why "regime change in Iran" has been in deep state plans since at least the 1970s, and it is the current and decades-old war cry of zionist israel, and yet when trump acquiesces to -or- leads the charge (you decide) for regime change in Iran, somehow trump is still a good guy and is fighting the deep state. Doesn't Occam's Razor say that the deep state, heavily influenced by/infiltrated by/run by zionists, is running the Big Show as they have been for decades, and that trump (and q) are merely pawns of the deep state?

[mgray]

Dennis I would suggest a new thread focusing on your core idea of Trump and regime change in Iran. You don't need to sidetrack this thread with such a niche topic.

Should people wish to debate merits of your thesis it will show its worth there.

Thanks

[Dennis Leahy]

As I stated, I am replying to a "q" drop and what it means. This is the correct thread for that.

[mgray]

Is this thread still about q drops, and what they might mean?

When I highlighted the red flag of q calling for regime change in Iran, I think most of you said, "no, that's not true" and proposed your own interpretation of those words. Does it change things, in your mind, when trump and his 9/11 pal and lawyer, rudy, both talk about regime change in Iran? Are you still so sure the convoluted meaning of "regime change" on Iran is really q's message? Did you hear trump's speech at the UN? Or guiliani's speech? Does q support trump's call for regime change in Iran, or not?

The bigger question that I asked is: why "regime change in Iran" has been in deep state plans since at least the 1970s, and it is the current and decades-old war cry of zionist israel, and yet when trump acquiesces to -or- leads the charge (you decide) for regime change in Iran, somehow trump is still a good guy and is fighting the deep state. Doesn't Occam's Razor say that the deep state, heavily influenced by/infiltrated by/run by zionists, is running the Big Show as they have been for decades, and that trump (and q) are merely pawns of the deep state?

No you are speaking about the president and his Attorney's recent comments. So take it elsewhere as I mentioned earlier.

[Helene West]

As I stated, I am replying to a "q" drop and what it means. This is the correct thread for that.

So what was the Q Revealed and the Q - An Opposing Viewpoint threads created for?

Norman is correct. You are trolling this thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

Is this thread still about q drops, and what they might mean?
My current understanding (just my personal understanding, nothing official) is that we have three Q threads:

The Qanon posts and a "Very Bad Day" Scenario for some elite swamp critters (this thread) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters) - for Q drops and basic research, mostly pro-Q
QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister) - a "meta" thread, discussing whether Q is real or Q is fake
Q REVEALED. Member of Creator Team Confesses And Apologizes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes) - discussing a claim that Q is faked, for Q skeptics only
I imagine that KiwiElf, were he still the primary person posting the Q drops here, would prefer that the discussion you're introducing with your posts here today be conducted instead over on the second thread, QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister).

However, as anyone can tell by examining my extensive posting record on Avalon, I don't pay much attention to what thread is focused on what topic when I post. So, ideally I suppose, I'd move the discussion you started today over to the QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister), but I'm too lazy and don't think it matters enough to bother.

If others on the Mod Team choose to do something like that, I'll chuckle and return to whatever I was focused on.

[Dennis Leahy]

Is this thread still about q drops, and what they might mean?

When I highlighted the red flag of q calling for regime change in Iran, I think most of you said, "no, that's not true" and proposed your own interpretation of those words. Does it change things, in your mind, when trump and his 9/11 pal and lawyer, rudy, both talk about regime change in Iran? Are you still so sure the convoluted meaning of "regime change" on Iran is really q's message? Did you hear trump's speech at the UN? Or guiliani's speech? Does q support trump's call for regime change in Iran, or not?

The bigger question that I asked is: why "regime change in Iran" has been in deep state plans since at least the 1970s, and it is the current and decades-old war cry of zionist israel, and yet when trump acquiesces to -or- leads the charge (you decide) for regime change in Iran, somehow trump is still a good guy and is fighting the deep state. Doesn't Occam's Razor say that the deep state, heavily influenced by/infiltrated by/run by zionists, is running the Big Show as they have been for decades, and that trump (and q) are merely pawns of the deep state?

No you are speaking about the president and his Attorney's recent comments. So take it elsewhere as I mentioned earlier....whose recent comments DIRECTLY confirm what I highlighted as highly problematic post by "q." This is the correct thread for that, unless this thread is really just, "Q supporters. Period." If that's the case, then the thread should not pretend that it is "examining" q drops as to their meaning, and instead that this thread is simply about liking q or enjoying q.

pssssssst: in case anyone SINCERE and not just an acolyte wants to know, trump and guiliani just confirmed that q saying "regime change Iran" ACTUALLY DOES mean "regime change Iran."

[Helene West]

Is this thread still about q drops, and what they might mean?

When I highlighted the red flag of q calling for regime change in Iran, I think most of you said, "no, that's not true" and proposed your own interpretation of those words. Does it change things, in your mind, when trump and his 9/11 pal and lawyer, rudy, both talk about regime change in Iran? Are you still so sure the convoluted meaning of "regime change" on Iran is really q's message? Did you hear trump's speech at the UN? Or guiliani's speech? Does q support trump's call for regime change in Iran, or not?

The bigger question that I asked is: why "regime change in Iran" has been in deep state plans since at least the 1970s, and it is the current and decades-old war cry of zionist israel, and yet when trump acquiesces to -or- leads the charge (you decide) for regime change in Iran, somehow trump is still a good guy and is fighting the deep state. Doesn't Occam's Razor say that the deep state, heavily influenced by/infiltrated by/run by zionists, is running the Big Show as they have been for decades, and that trump (and q) are merely pawns of the deep state?

No you are speaking about the president and his Attorney's recent comments. So take it elsewhere as I mentioned earlier....whose recent comments DIRECTLY confirm what I highlighted as highly problematic post by "q." This is the correct thread for that, unless this thread is really just, "Q supporters. Period." If that's the case, then the thread should not pretend that it is "examining" q drops as to their meaning, and instead that this thread is simply about liking q or enjoying q.

pssssssst: in case anyone SINCERE and not just an acolyte wants to know, trump and guiliani just confirmed that q saying "regime change Iran" ACTUALLY DOES mean "regime change Iran."

Fine. Can u now go?

[Jean-Marie]

:focus:

Moderating the passions and tensions on the Q threads has been difficult the last few weeks. We are trying to maintain a sense of decorum.

We want to allow our members to share and discuss topics freely, but we must keep decorum on the forum. The moderation team does not want to have to put people on vacation, block members, or close the threads. So please cooperate and make our lives a little easier.

:bearhug:

[Helene West]

:focus:

Moderating the passions and tensions on the Q threads has been difficult the last few weeks. We are trying to maintain a sense of decorum.

We want to allow our members to share and discuss topics freely, but we must keep decorum on the forum. The moderation team does not want to have to put people on vacation, block members, or close the threads. So please cooperate and make our lives a little easier.

:bearhug:

If that is truly the case, then recognize trollers when they show up. His last very sudden appearance after the thread was going on for a year resulted in 3 valuable participants not returning. That was the end game. He's looking for more casualties. Try to recognize an attack when it's in front of you...

[ThePythonicCow]

Is this thread still about q drops, and what they might mean?


Dennis I would suggest a new thread ...


NOTE: this is not a Q post.


Norman is correct. You are trolling this thread.


:focus:
I moved several of the above posts over to this "meta-Q" thread, where discussions, pro and con, about the significance of Q and the material involved seem to fit better.

[Baby Steps]

the following page on exopolitics lays out the Q narrative regarding Iran. Tempting to say it really is a bit of a tall tale, but then again....

https://www.exopolitics.org/qanon-on-how-ending-iran-peace-deal-thwarts-deep-state-plans-for-nuclear-false-flag-attack/

But look at the following wikipedia page which details the large and complex deployments made around Syria before the Douma supposed Assad chlorine attack, by Uk, USA, France.

why are such careful , premeditated deployments being made AT ALL when Russia is pretty much finished cleaning the deep state troops out of Syria?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_missile_strikes_against_Syria

It is nearly over. What motivates the west to draw its forces up , ready for war, facing Syria. How are they going to assist to bring peace? Who's interests are served by these deployments?

Q should be claiming scalps among the deep state, but not here on PA.

[Dennis Leahy]

Is this thread still about q drops, and what they might mean?
My current understanding (just my personal understanding, nothing official) is that we have three Q threads:


The Qanon posts and a "Very Bad Day" Scenario for some elite swamp critters (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters) - for Q drops and basic research, mostly pro-Q
QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister) - a "meta" thread, discussing whether Q is real or Q is fake
Q REVEALED. Member of Creator Team Confesses And Apologizes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes) - discussing a claim that Q is faked, for Q skeptics only


I imagine that KiwiElf, were he still the primary person posting the Q drops here, would prefer that the discussion you're introducing with your posts here today be conducted instead over on the second thread, QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister).

However, as anyone can tell by examining my extensive posting record on Avalon, I don't pay much attention to what thread is focused on what topic when I post. So, ideally I suppose, I'd move the discussion you started today over to the QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister), but I'm too lazy and don't think it matters enough to bother.

If others on the Mod Team choose to do something like that, I'll chuckle and return to whatever I was focused on.
"q drops and basic research" but when someone's research doesn't show q or trump in a good light, the post will be considered as trolling or maybe will be moved elsewhere.

But, in the rest of Avalon's history, in all threads other than this one, varied viewpoints and debate are welcomed. If the real trolls would refrain from personal attack and instead attack the concepts, you know, debate, to argue for or against any premise using logic, there wouldn't be a problem.

Is it because I have expressed that I think q is deep state? Is that really the issue here? Can someone who does not believe q is or represents "the good guys" post in this thread, about what a q drop/clue/breadcrumb might really mean? If not, then Avalon should change the title and subtitle and stop pretending it is about q/q-drops research. Valid research isn't partisan or sycophantic.

[ThePythonicCow]

But, in the rest of Avalon's history, in all threads other than this one, varied viewpoints and debate are welcomed.
Varied viewpoints are welcome on this present thread.

The Q stuff is controversial enough, and complex enough, that it has been serving us well to have a thread just handling the nuts and bolts of the Q drops and associated, sympathetic, analysis, while having a separate "meta-Q" thread for the more complex discussions that result from considering this material, and the back and forth of diverse views about these matters.

[Kristin]

This is a passionate topic and we are living in times where passions are played like Beethoven plays piano. How do we address one another? Does calling names focus attention? Everyone is guilty here of not behaving in a cooperative way regardless of the subject. We can do better, we HAVE done better, we need to show ourselves and others that we ARE BETTER. Please regard each other with respect. Remember the things that you have in common, the conversations that you've had that moved you to hugs, and know that beyond that keyboard is another soul who wants to be heard within the context of some very strange and scary times we are living in.

Try harder to learn and listen. Please.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Dennis Leahy]

I'd like to point out that I did NOT put the posts above, including helene's incessant personal attacks on me, into this thread. As you may note, I mentioned "this thread", but of course I was not talking about the thread this is now in, and so anything about "this thread" in my posts above don't really mean the thread you're now reading them in.

They were not meant for this thread. It was "q research", and I put it on the "q" thread, which Paul describes as q research.

The fact that my posts that were moved here from the "q" thread just shows that no one in that thread can debate the point I brought up. They have resorted to calling me a troll and now my posts have been moved away from the thread where they were intended.

[Omni]

I believe Q is an incredibly malicious psyop, made to be imperceivable. Those that follow him are given a new form of mesmerizing focus, and those that do not cannot perceive the aim of the operation. I feel the shadow government has been moving into the next agendas with this psyop. There will be next stages of Q....

This psyop I believe is originating from the US military and CIA. They are incredibly malicious people and they are getting more sophisticated with their social engineering and weapons of war.

[Kristin]

Thank you for the opposing viewpoint Omni.

[Ascension]

Does anyone following the thread use to read the Q drops?...At some point over the last seven days, however, the site became a permanent fixture in my browser tabs...I've cleaned my caches/history and restarted several times over the last 48 hours, and it's still there.

We are Q. Resistance is futile.

[insert evil laugh]

Sorry Noelle. Not meant to offend. Just joking a bit. :) Do not know how to indicate this quote is from the "Very Bad Day" thread.

[Ratszinger]

I'd like to point out that I did NOT put the posts above, including helene's incessant personal attacks on me, into this thread. As you may note, I mentioned "this thread", but of course I was not talking about the thread this is now in, and so anything about "this thread" in my posts above don't really mean the thread you're now reading them in.

They were not meant for this thread. It was "q research", and I put it on the "q" thread, which Paul describes as q research.

The fact that my posts that were moved here from the "q" thread just shows that no one in that thread can debate the point I brought up. They have resorted to calling me a troll and now my posts have been moved away from the thread where they were intended.

They don't want to debate. They want to believe and you rained on their parade!

[Ascension]

They don't want to debate. They want to believe and you rained on their parade!

Precisely, so we don't need to debate. We are correct. End of story. LARP thread rules!!

In the broader scheme of things, this doesn't matter one little bit. :)

[AutumnW]

Omni -- thanks for some sanity here. From what I can glean Q is a pro-military operation. As in there is little to differentiate Q's sympathies from war mongers of all stripes, everywhere. Q could be deep state or subterranean in a real sense -- living in his parent's basement, playing at being a super spy. Oooohhh ahhhhh.

Q is pro Israel, pro-regime change in Iran. As with many who are excited by intrigue and war, Q apparently is okay with bombing brown children to death, as long as they are not being molested...because that would be pedophilia! He's not down with that. So like, he's a hero! That's setting the bar for heroism so low, a slug could trip over it.

That people Q seriously is awe inspiring...but not in a good way.

Dennis, thank you for screaming into this deafening echo chamber. Once again, there is no way you deserve the lambasting you have received for pointing out the obvious.

[AutumnW]

As I stated, I am replying to a "q" drop and what it means. This is the correct thread for that.

So what was the Q Revealed and the Q - An Opposing Viewpoint threads created for?

Norman is correct. You are trolling this thread.

This incessant demands for exclusivity creates echo chambers. Helene, you really need to hear alternative points of view.

[ThePythonicCow]

The bigger question that I asked is: why "regime change in Iran" has been in deep state plans since at least the 1970s, and it is the current and decades-old war cry of zionist israel, and yet when trump acquiesces to -or- leads the charge (you decide) for regime change in Iran, somehow trump is still a good guy and is fighting the deep state.
I think something is happening that is very different than what you're warning us of (and warning us of with substantial, long standing evidence), and very different from what Q and Trump is tantalizing/warning us of.

Here's what I think is happening.

Trump is dismantling the American Empire.

(please don't report me to the local looney bin before giving the following at least a brief hearing.)



What has been the primary result of the bluster and insults of Trump and his retread Neocon State and Military officials in Korea? The Korean "Police Action" of 1950-1953 and heavily militarized and nuclear guarded armistice since then may well becoming to an end, with peace and reunification talks starting to happen.



What has been the result of the US Military and Intelligence operations (whether under the US flag, under the NATO flag, under the Israeli flag, or under assorted and sordid ISIS flags) in Syria? Assad and Syria are close to regaining full control of their nation and ending the war. They have already removed Israel from the Syrian side of the Golan heights, something I would have thought impossible a year ago.



What has been the result of Trump's bluster and verbal attacks on Iran? The European Union and Great Britain are working to develop an international payment system outside of the US controlled SWIFT system, so that they can conduct normal business with Iran, outside of US control and sanctions.



What has been the result of Trump's bluster over Germany relying on natural gas supplies from its most obvious provider, nearby Russia? Germany is building pipelines and stronger ties with Russia and Russian gas supplies.



What has been the primary event in Saudi Arabia, a key player in both the energy and funding arrangements of the American Empire (by way of Anglo-American controlled Wahhabi puppets who traded gold plated Rolls Royces for control of vast energy resources and flow of money)? A coup last year in Saudi Arabia dismantled substantial portions of that power structure.



What has been the primary change in Israel's fortunes over the last year. Symbolically, Trump and the US are close than ever to Israel, with the American embassy moved to Jerusalem. But Israel has been pushed off the Golan Heights, has failed to get the US to actually go to war with Iran, is losing the war to destroy Syria, and, with the installation of Russian S-300 air-defense missiles happening this week, will lose air superiority over Syria.

What has been the result of Trump's various tariff's, sanctions and tax bills? Foreign central banks are dumping their US Treasuries. Money held off shore by major US corporations to avoid taxes is coming home to America. America is starting to rebuild its domestic infrastructure and industry. Other nations are building alternative payment systems and trade partnerships, to bypass the unreliable US.The world is sick of the American Imperial Empire, and Trump is inducing them to vomit sooner and stronger.

I would claim that this is as intended by the Masters of this world.

Trump is managing the transition from the American Empire and US Dollar based world currency system, to a future, coming soon, in which the US is just another nation, trading what it can on the world markets for what it can get in return.

Here is an article that ends with various possibilities to explain the strange circumstances we find ourselves in, one of which, in his final words, matches what I am proposing here: Trump: An Assessment (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/27/trump-an-assessment/). At the end of the article, its author Paul Craig Roberts ends by saying:
We might never know whether this result is an unintended consequence of arrogance and hubris or whether it is a clever strategy. But if it turns out the way it seems to be heading, Trump will go down in history as Trump the Great, the man who saved the world by dismantling American hegemony.
Here is a video by Joseph P Farrell, who backs up my above considerations of the effect of US verbal and financial aggression toward Iran: Europe moving its financial system from the Anglo-American empire toward the east, Russia and China:
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Trump is a bankruptcy specialist. The US is financially, morally, politically and economically bankrupt (that much I expect you'll at least agree with me on, Dennis <grin>.)

I realize that it's a difficult leap of imagination to anticipate that Trump will lead the US to becoming a more humble, hard working, honest, gentle nation, one nation amongst many, no longer claiming to be King of the Hill (but at least shouldn't I get extra credit for getting the words "Trump" and "humble" in the same sentence?)

I make no claim that I see any of my above wild prognostications in Q's drops. What I see in Q's drops are some of the inside gossip and some teasing of alternative narratives that will help more of us Americans make sense of the upcoming changes. I also see some (well, presume that there are, albeit unseen by me) intelligence feints and misdirections that are part of the intense gaming and scheming going on, between the various current, wanna-be, and has-been power players.

But I don't see in Trump, nor in Q, what you quite reasonably see, which appears given the words, sanctions and choices of key players in his administration, to be a continuance of the Evil American Empire. Rather, I see the so far surprisingly orderly dismantling of the American Empire, in such examples as I listed above (Korea, Syria, the EU, Israel, Saudi Arabia, ...) and in the continuing rise to world status of Russia and China and their working together.

Good riddance.

Notice that the US Empire of old, the one dominant my entire lifetime, from 1947 until now, would have never tolerated Russia and China becoming "best buddies (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-06-08/chinas-xi-awards-best-friend-putin-friendship-medal-promises-support)." We'd have done anything, including nuclear war, to prevent that. Now it's happening, and Trump is not standing in the way, but rather endeavoring to work with the leaders of both Russia and China as equals.

[ThePythonicCow]

P.S. -- Of course, Q aficionados will want to remind us of the unprecedented numbers of top level CEO's, US Senators, US Representatives and top level officials in the US Dept of Justice and FBI who have resigned or chosen not to run for re-election. But Q doubters have long become numb to those observations, so I didn't think to mention them yet again in my main post above.

Similarly Trump's work on slowing illegal immigration is important, as that is one of the ways that nations are over stressed, creating chaos, which the masters of death, deceit and destruction feed off. Just ask those in Europe.

Similarly Trump's canceling various trade agreements and such, including the Iranian deal, are likely important, though it is above our pay grade to know just how. I have ZERO doubt that the real terms of the Iranian deal were not simply cash for denuclearization, but rather involved other parties as well (notice how some European leaders got all bent out of shape at Trump's unilateral action), and involved other activities, such as (guessing wildly here) paying Iran to run terrorist operations, or payments and deals involving drug trafficking. Whatever that Iranian deal was, it probably was not in our best interests, so probably we're better off without it. Just guessing ...

Also the claimed arrests for child molestation and pedophilia are way up in the last year. If that's really so, then it's really hard to argue against that being a good thing.

[ThePythonicCow]

P.P.S. -- But I ended up arguing for Trump, not Q, above. What's this got to do with Q? Those of us following Q have had a front row seat at much of the above. By working with others to make sense of Q's drops and putting together the fragments of information in those drops with what else we can find, we learn to work together, we learn who amongst us we can trust and in what way, and we develop a substantially better understanding amongst us than we could have by any other means that I am aware of.

More people know more faster.

Given the speed of changes beginning to wash over us, and the necessity of keeping the public "in the loop", to reduce the danger and impact of false narratives and faked events, and given that no well known method could have done this, something like Q was and continues to be essential.

The advantages of this working style are similar to the advantages of open source software development, when done on a project with hundreds, thousands, even tens of thousands of active developers. To a classic researcher, Q work looks like chaos, just as to a traditional corporate middle manager, large open source software projects look like chaos. But in both cases, they can accomplish tasks that cannot be done nearly as well, if at all, any other way.

[ThePythonicCow]

Trump is dismantling the American Empire.
There will be hell to pay when the global reserve status of the US Dollar is unwound.

King Dollar will become just another national currency, worth far less in the global markets.

Alasdair Macleod spells out the details of what to expect, in a recent and most excellent article: The dollar is central to the next crisis (https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/the-dollar-is-central-to-the-next-crisis).

The next crisis will not be a "dot com stock bubble collapse" or a "mortgage bond collapse", but a "dollar collapse".

Even those of us who have been studying this for a long time will end up guessing wrong as to the details of when and how. "No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy."

But those who were not expecting the battle, who didn't even realize that such a battle could happen ... may have a very difficult time of it.

Part of our job will be helping friends, family and neighbors make sense of things and find ways to adapt.

[Dennis Leahy]

Paul, I love you brother, but damn, you need to pass the joint you're smokin'. You are much better than Q ever was at taking some dots and then embellishing, no bedazzling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amicrtFYgVQ) their significance and presenting a vision of a Zen master at work.

Looks like Q is sorta letting it slip out that he (yes, I said "he"; this ain't "AI", this isn't even Commodore 64 intelligence) is really just a fully indoctrinated member of the republican party, pushing duopoly electoral nonsense:


Here is is folks, a red hot off the press "DROP" from the queue:

====================

RED OCTOBER>>>
MIDTERM ELECTIONS
RED WAVE OR RED TSUNAMI?
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
Q

==================
In case any of our readers are unfamiliar with the Americano politic-speak, "red" is republicans and "blue" is democrats, and when you blend them together you get, no, not purple, you get the duopoly - the front organization for the Ruling Elite.

So, I'm going to use my NI (natural intelligence) to decode the meaning of q's post:

vote republican

Thanks, q, you're amazing! In fact, I recommend that you change your name to "Q!", you know, a letter q followed by that character that stands for amazing.

[mountain_jim]

I'd like to point out that I did NOT put the posts above, including helene's incessant personal attacks on me, into this thread. As you may note, I mentioned "this thread", but of course I was not talking about the thread this is now in, and so anything about "this thread" in my posts above don't really mean the thread you're now reading them in.

They were not meant for this thread. It was "q research", and I put it on the "q" thread, which Paul describes as q research.

The fact that my posts that were moved here from the "q" thread just shows that no one in that thread can debate the point I brought up. They have resorted to calling me a troll and now my posts have been moved away from the thread where they were intended.

As an active poster in the long running Q thread I agree with Dennis here - ideally he should be able to debate Q posts in that thread, which is the way this forum should work in my view, and I am not happy about these actions.

If the debate had been conducted earlier with a little more respect for alternative views/posters (on all sides), we might not be in this current place now.
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Paul, I love you brother, but damn, you need to pass the joint you're smokin'. You are much better than Q ever was at taking some dots and then embellishing, no bedazzling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amicrtFYgVQ) their significance and presenting a vision of a Zen master at work.

Looks like Q is sorta letting it slip out that he (yes, I said "he"; this ain't "AI", this isn't even Commodore 64 intelligence) is really just a fully indoctrinated member of the republican party, pushing duopoly electoral nonsense:


Here is is folks, a red hot off the press "DROP" from the queue:

====================

RED OCTOBER>>>
MIDTERM ELECTIONS
RED WAVE OR RED TSUNAMI?
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
Q

==================
In case any of our readers are unfamiliar with the Americano politic-speak, "red" is republicans and "blue" is democrats, and when you blend them together you get, no, not purple, you get the duopoly - the front organization for the Ruling Elite.

So, I'm going to use my NI (natural intelligence) to decode the meaning of q's post:

vote republican

Thanks, q, you're amazing! In fact, I recommend that you change your name to "Q!", you know, a letter q followed by that character that stands for amazing.

I also felt this post helped support your views when it was made, and discussed it recently over 'there'.

But I never identified as Republican, and have had no political home for many years now in our 2-party controlled political system.

[Satori]

For what it's worth:

Putting more support to the points being made by many on this thread (and other threads), here is an article by Paul Craig Roberts, that in the main provides an article by Chuck Baldwin about the BIG LIE of 9/11 and Trump's failure or refusal to drain the swamp, but instead play along with the Deep State:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/26/chuck-baldwin-sums-it-up-trump-blew-it/

There is nothing in this article I disagree with.

[ThePythonicCow]

So, I'm going to use my NI (natural intelligence) to decode the meaning of q's post:

vote republican
Excellent decode, Dennis!

There might still be a couple of openings for good researchers over on Q's sub-chan on 8ch.net. Would you like me to put in a good word for you? (the pay sucks, however ... sorry.)

[Franny]

For what it's worth:

Putting more support to the points being made by many on this thread (and other threads), here is an article by Paul Craig Roberts, that in the main provides an article by Chuck Baldwin about the BIG LIE of 9/11 and Trump's failure or refusal to drain the swamp, but instead play along with the Deep State:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/26/chuck-baldwin-sums-it-up-trump-blew-it/

There is nothing in this article I disagree with.

Thanks for this, I can't disagree either. This is one of the big problems I have with Q: look over here, look at this, talk about this, this is the important stuff; ignore the man behind the curtain, trust the plan. Enjoy the show, eat your popcorn and talk about our important stuff.


Donald Trump had one chance to prove that he was serious about draining the swamp and dismantling the Deep State. One chance. That one chance was his first two years in office. And he blew it.

Trump appointed more Deep State CFR members and Bilderbergers (including Neil Gorsuch, James Mattis, John Bolton, et al.) to his administration than Barack Obama. And don’t be taken in by all of the political bickering surrounding Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. The conservatives’ defense of Kavanaugh is as irrelevant as the liberals’ accusations against Kavanaugh. The fact is, Kavanaugh is a Deep State toady who is up to his neck in covering up the government’s murder of former Clinton Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster. Speaking of which, Trump has done nothing to bring the Deep State witch, Hillary Clinton, to justice like he said he would do, either...

Not to mention the continued bombing of Yemen and the US direct help in destroying it or why. At this time, it is said there are about 5 million starving, skeletal kids and no mention of the number of starving adults. No mention what the US is doing in other areas of the African continent we know nothing about. Why can't we know?

Judge Napolitano (on Fox) has a dim view of Kavanaugh. He says he does not support the 4th amendment, instead he supports continued surveillance of the public. He also contributed to the writing of the Patriot Act.

https://mises.org/power-market/judge-napolitano-kavanaugh-enemy-4th-amendment

[onawah]

Yep. :tsk: :bump:

For what it's worth:

Putting more support to the points being made by many on this thread (and other threads), here is an article by Paul Craig Roberts, that in the main provides an article by Chuck Baldwin about the BIG LIE of 9/11 and Trump's failure or refusal to drain the swamp, but instead play along with the Deep State:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/26/chuck-baldwin-sums-it-up-trump-blew-it/

There is nothing in this article I disagree with.

Thanks for this, I can't disagree either. This is one of the big problems I have with Q: look over here, look at this, talk about this, this is the important stuff; ignore the man behind the curtain, trust the plan. Enjoy the show, eat your popcorn and talk about our important stuff.


Donald Trump had one chance to prove that he was serious about draining the swamp and dismantling the Deep State. One chance. That one chance was his first two years in office. And he blew it.

Trump appointed more Deep State CFR members and Bilderbergers (including Neil Gorsuch, James Mattis, John Bolton, et al.) to his administration than Barack Obama. And don’t be taken in by all of the political bickering surrounding Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. The conservatives’ defense of Kavanaugh is as irrelevant as the liberals’ accusations against Kavanaugh. The fact is, Kavanaugh is a Deep State toady who is up to his neck in covering up the government’s murder of former Clinton Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster. Speaking of which, Trump has done nothing to bring the Deep State witch, Hillary Clinton, to justice like he said he would do, either...

Not to mention the continued bombing of Yemen and the US direct help in destroying it or why. At this time, it is said there are about 5 million starving, skeletal kids and no mention of the number of starving adults. No mention what the US is doing in other areas of the African continent we know nothing about. Why can't we know?

Judge Napolitano (on Fox) has a dim view of Kavanaugh. He says he does not support the 4th amendment, instead he supports continued surveillance of the public. He also contributed to the writing of the Patriot Act.

https://mises.org/power-market/judge-napolitano-kavanaugh-enemy-4th-amendment

[Dennis Leahy]

So, I'm going to use my NI (natural intelligence) to decode the meaning of q's post:

vote republican
Excellent decode, Dennis!

There might still be a couple of openings for good researchers over on Q's sub-chan on 8ch.net. Would you like me to put in a good word for you? (the pay sucks, however ... sorry.)

You actually made me laugh out loud with this. Thank you.

Now I'm waiting to see if q reads my posts. If so, there will be "Q!" t-shirts available by tomorrow at noon.
http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/Two/Q!.jpg

[Ratszinger]

For what it's worth:

Putting more support to the points being made by many on this thread (and other threads), here is an article by Paul Craig Roberts, that in the main provides an article by Chuck Baldwin about the BIG LIE of 9/11 and Trump's failure or refusal to drain the swamp, but instead play along with the Deep State:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/26/chuck-baldwin-sums-it-up-trump-blew-it/

There is nothing in this article I disagree with.

Thanks for this, I can't disagree either. This is one of the big problems I have with Q: look over here, look at this, talk about this, this is the important stuff; ignore the man behind the curtain, trust the plan. Enjoy the show, eat your popcorn and talk about our important stuff.


Donald Trump had one chance to prove that he was serious about draining the swamp and dismantling the Deep State. One chance. That one chance was his first two years in office. And he blew it.

Trump appointed more Deep State CFR members and Bilderbergers (including Neil Gorsuch, James Mattis, John Bolton, et al.) to his administration than Barack Obama. And don’t be taken in by all of the political bickering surrounding Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. The conservatives’ defense of Kavanaugh is as irrelevant as the liberals’ accusations against Kavanaugh. The fact is, Kavanaugh is a Deep State toady who is up to his neck in covering up the government’s murder of former Clinton Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster. Speaking of which, Trump has done nothing to bring the Deep State witch, Hillary Clinton, to justice like he said he would do, either...

Not to mention the continued bombing of Yemen and the US direct help in destroying it or why. At this time, it is said there are about 5 million starving, skeletal kids and no mention of the number of starving adults. No mention what the US is doing in other areas of the African continent we know nothing about. Why can't we know?

Judge Napolitano (on Fox) has a dim view of Kavanaugh. He says he does not support the 4th amendment, instead he supports continued surveillance of the public. He also contributed to the writing of the Patriot Act.

https://mises.org/power-market/judge-napolitano-kavanaugh-enemy-4th-amendment

Steve Pieczenik discovered in his investigation that all of the ones cracking down the hardest on Kavanaugh are also, like him in that they all went to Yale U! This does not represent the country at all but is a representation of power struggle or something else between the elite. What could it be!? Could Kavanaugh be someone not approved of by other Yale grads because he was not a Bonesmen or was he? Just thinking out loud.

Harris went to Howard U and one other of the no voters went to Columbia but each of the others, were either 20 percent of the group which were like Hatch, Mormon, and the rest Yale grads to like 80+ percent of the ones voting no in the hearing and laying into Kavanaugh. Something else is going on here we're not quite seeing. They all went to Yale! Just thinking out loud here trying to grasp why a gaggle of other Yale grads would attack one of the other Yale grads as we saw. Even the republican side had Yale grads but any ideas?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5kdwkkjWUw&t=13s

[onawah]

Check this out: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104440-Kavanaugh-Hearings-a-National-Disgrace&p=1251175&viewfull=1#post1251175

[onawah]

Is this the talk from Steve Pieczenik in question?
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[Praxis]

I'd like to point out that I did NOT put the posts above, including helene's incessant personal attacks on me, into this thread. As you may note, I mentioned "this thread", but of course I was not talking about the thread this is now in, and so anything about "this thread" in my posts above don't really mean the thread you're now reading them in.

They were not meant for this thread. It was "q research", and I put it on the "q" thread, which Paul describes as q research.

The fact that my posts that were moved here from the "q" thread just shows that no one in that thread can debate the point I brought up. They have resorted to calling me a troll and now my posts have been moved away from the thread where they were intended.



The amount of cutting and pasting that MODS are doing is confusing and causing trouble as it is not noted clearly

[Jayke]

Could the organisational structure being created by the Q psy-op, ultimately have its end game in this:

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In the recent 5G summit presentation released yesterday. There was an almost desperate tone in relation to the speed at which they want to roll out the 5G technology (they’ve got to beat China and Russia in the race for 5G—this seems to be where the real deep state wars are taking place—partisan politics is just entertainment for the masses, a convenient little side show).

The problem they face is the United States has been a predominately Level 6 country (if we refer back to the gravesian archetypes), which means bloated beurocracies, red tape, safe spaces, the desire to endlessly talk in circles, complaining a lot while never actually implementing anything of value; or the things that are implemented are based solely on over-generalised idealistic notions without any concern for the nuance of real world practicalities. Communist countries are notoriously slow in bringing new projects to fruition, due to the endless back-channels of beaurocracy and a disengaged, under-funded, resource-sapped, labour force. What was the motto in soviet Russia “they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work”.

In terms of 5G rollout, and getting the idea out to inspire people to accept a 5G world, there’s too much geometric impedance for people to embrace it swiftly. Any attempt to roll it out is met with resistance. As one of the speakers in the video above states “it takes 10 minutes to put up a new mast, but it can take 2 years to get the permission to do so” (paraphrased).

This is why a new organisational structure would be necassary to overcome this lag of social inefficiency. Something Paul describes in his excellent series of posts already in this thread:


P.P.S. -- But I ended up arguing for Trump, not Q, above. What's this got to do with Q? Those of us following Q have had a front row seat at much of the above. By working with others to make sense of Q's drops and putting together the fragments of information in those drops with what else we can find, we learn to work together, we learn who amongst us we can trust and in what way, and we develop a substantially better understanding amongst us than we could have by any other means that I am aware of.

More people know more faster.

Given the speed of changes beginning to wash over us, and the necessity of keeping the public "in the loop", to reduce the danger and impact of false narratives and faked events, and given that no well known method could have done this, something like Q was and continues to be essential.

The advantages of this working style are similar to the advantages of open source software development, when done on a project with hundreds, thousands, even tens of thousands of active developers. To a classic researcher, Q work looks like chaos, just as to a traditional corporate middle manager, large open source software projects look like chaos. But in both cases, they can accomplish tasks that cannot be done nearly as well, if at all, any other way.

What’s scary about the 5G rollout is the philosophy of Schumpeters Creative Destruction they intend to use:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction


Creative destruction (German: schöpferische Zerstörung), sometimes known as Schumpeter's gale, is a concept in economics which since the 1950s has become most readily identified with the Austrian-American economist Joseph Schumpeter[1] who derived it from the work of Karl Marx and popularized it as a theory of economic innovation and the business cycle.

According to Schumpeter, the "gale of creative destruction" describes the "process of industrial mutation that incessantly revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one".

They’re in such a desperate rush to beat China and Russia at being the first 5G nation, that they’re going to steamroll over any resistance they meet, implement the system, and depend on the people of the United States to work out any challenges, issues, problems and drawbacks i.e. it’s sink or swim time for Americans, you either collaborate together to make this happen, and make 5G a success, or, you’ll go crazy under the stress of the new energetics being brought in, and end up tearing each other apart. It’s a dangerous strategy imo, and they’re definitely playing with fire that could end in catastrophe.

In summary, the long-game of the Q psy-op could be about creating a new organisational structure within society, one that lowers the impedance of new, deep-state ideas and projects, being brought to fruition. An organisational structure that promotes efficacy and collaboration.

It makes me wonder though, why is 5G so important to them? Why rush it out in such a hasty, creative and destructive manner? What is the first 5G nation going to be able to do that other nations won’t? Is it really a destructive technology or is it a necassary step in creating ‘humanity 2.0’, a civilisation that can venture into space and take residence amongst the stars? Topics for a different thread no doubt, but worth keeping in consideration should Q flash the spotlight of awareness onto these topics anytime in the future.

[ThePythonicCow]

There was an almost desperate tone in relation to the speed at which they want to roll out the 5G technology (they’ve got to beat China and Russia in the race for 5G
My guess is that the motivations are the other way around.

My guess is that the elite bastards want the planet "wired", with cell towers everywhere there's land and people, and with 10,000 low earth satellites everywhere above the earth's surface, period.

If beating China and Russia helps motivate some in the US to move faster on this, then that's one way to motivate this roll out in the US.

[onawah]

5G will so weaken and debilitate the populace that all the elitist agendas will become much easier to accomplish.
Or so they probably believe; I think it will also create a lot of unexpected catastrophes.
How they are protecting themselves from it is something I would really like to know.

[ThePythonicCow]

How they are protecting themselves from it is something I would really like to know.
If I was rich enough to afford a large house, on a large estate, there would not be any cell towers on my land, hence none close to my house.

... and if I needed to be accessible via cell phone, usually one of my assistants would be carrying it, not me.

[onawah]

Sure, but what about when they go into a city? I doubt they are content to stay home all the time.


How they are protecting themselves from it is something I would really like to know.
If I was rich enough to afford a large house, on a large estate, there would not be any cell towers on my land, hence none close to my house.

... and if I needed to be accessible via cell phone, usually one of my assistants would be carrying it, not me.

[ThePythonicCow]

Sure, but what about when they go into a city? I doubt they are content to stay home all the time.
Well, I'm wondering a bit further off topic here, but I doubt that some EMF exposure is of much concern, especially for healthy adults with good diets (not the cheap cr*p that is fed to most of us) who can rest each night in an EMF quiet bedroom.

It's the combination of such toxins as fluorides, chlorides, aluminum, glyphosate, industrially processed light oils, and others, in our food, water, air, drugs and vaccines, along with the deficiencies of clean, energized water and of essential minerals, fatty acids, vitamins, and other nutrients, along with insufficient healing rest and energizing physical and mental activity, that combine to weaken so many of us.

The problem, like the solution, is multi-faceted.

Which is why this topic of 5G came up here, on a Q thread. Jayke wondered if perhaps the "wiring of the world" that we see about to happen with 5G is part of a substantial restructuring of the world, from the more centrally controlled, hierarchical, organizations of the past, to a more distributed networking style of organization in the future, and Jayke wondered if the way that those of us looking into Q (finally, back to thread topic here!) were organizing was a prototype of such a networked style of organization.

[ThePythonicCow]

Which is why this topic of 5G came up here, on a Q thread. Jayke wondered if perhaps the "wiring of the world" that we see about to happen with 5G is part of a substantial restructuring of the world, from the more centrally controlled, hierarchical, organizations of the past, to a more distributed networking style of organization in the future, and Jayke wondered if the way that those of us looking into Q (finally, back to thread topic here!) were organizing was a prototype of such a networked style of organization.
Well, that attempt to return this thread to its primary topic, "Q - is he real or is he LARP (or is he a real LARP)", didn't last long.

Those interested in pursuing a less centrally controlled Web may find this latest blog post of Tim Berners-Lee, one of the "Godfathers" of the Web, to be of considerable interest: One Small Step for the Web... (https://www.inrupt.com/blog/one-small-step-for-the-web).

I should probably start a separate thread on this topic, and if I do, hopefully I will amend this present post to link over to that new thread. But, meanwhile, whenever Tim Berners-Lee writes something this carefully, it's an important leading indicator of future Web trends.

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P.S. -- Excellent - Frankie Pancakes already started such a thread: Exclusive: Tim Berners-Lee tells us his radical new plan to upend the World Wide Web (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104466-Exclusive-Tim-Berners-Lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-World-Wide-Web&p=1251480&viewfull=1#post1251480)

[muxfolder]

This just seem to still bother me. I'm actually with Edward here. This is RV and not true necessarily but then again, there are some very interesting anomalies, like that ifinity-part. I surely would not want to be forced into that kind of utopia-like world myself. And yeah, I still think Q is psyop.

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[ThePythonicCow]

This just seem to still bother me. I'm actually with Edward here. This is RV and not true necessarily but then again, there are some very interesting anomalies, like that ifinity-part. I surely would not want to be forced into that kind of utopia-like world myself. And yeah, I still think Q is psyop.
Is this the same Remote Viewing work, by Edward Riordan, as we discussed above in this thread, between Post #197 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1249874&viewfull=1#post1249874) and Post #268 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1250577&viewfull=1#post1250577) ?

===

P.S. -- No, this is not the original RV sessions by Riordan that were posted above, but rather, as explained in the Youtube description: "This is my [Edward Riordan's] recent interview with Dennis Nappi II to talk about my remote viewing of Q anon. "

[muxfolder]

This just seem to still bother me. I'm actually with Edward here. This is RV and not true necessarily but then again, there are some very interesting anomalies, like that ifinity-part. I surely would not want to be forced into that kind of utopia-like world myself. And yeah, I still think Q is psyop.
Is this the same Remote Viewing work, by Edward Riordan, as we discussed above in this thread, between Post #197 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1249874&viewfull=1#post1249874) and Post #268 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1250577&viewfull=1#post1250577)

===

P.S. -- No, this is not the original RV sessions by Riordan that were posted above, but rather, as explained in the Youtube description: "This is my [Edward Riordan's] recent interview with Dennis Nappi II to talk about my remote viewing of Q anon. "

Sorry, I should have mentioned that's a discussion about that remote viewing session he did. As you mentioned, those sessions were posted before, by you it seems.
Post 198 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1249885&viewfull=1#post1249885)
Last part here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1249956&viewfull=1#post1249956)

I think it's worth watching/listening those. There may be something really big going on.

[ichingcarpenter]

Joe from Carolina once again does FOIA on Q...

Hope you don't mind Joe......

Qanon Posts- NSA Q Group Investigation FOIA



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#Qanon Posts - NSA Q-Group Investigation FOIA results returned from the National Security Agency. The Q Anon investigation continues. It has been claimed by some Q Anon Conspiracy advocates that the deep state operation and patriot's fight was based out of a Q Group in the National Security Agency. A recent twitter tweet from @sherimapes claims that Q is #NSA, and, confirms that Pizzagate is real and to continue the citizen investigation. I was asked one of my viewers to do a #FOIA request by with the NSA, for the Q Anon NSA Group or Q-Group. In this video I respond to the request and provide my own personal opinion. Q has become quite popular on Twitter, 4ch, 8ch, and Reddit before #TheGreatAwakening thread was closed.
I wish pro-Q, anti-Q, and don't-care-Q folks out there all the best in their ventures whether they like President Donald Trump, hate President Donald Trump, or are completely indifferent. Remember- wwg1wga! Finally, the new FOIA info I present in this video is from the government - so consider the source - whatever that means for you.

[Praxis]

Lets see if Dennis has a point about Iran shall we?

https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/1046929595755302912

https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1044708174551486465

https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1044711731686232064

https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1044694713490690048

https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1044686347066236928

meanwhile in other parts of the government

https://twitter.com/INL/status/1044594207124447232

https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1021024154059931648


and just for giggles.

https://twitter.com/CIA/status/1044699827387478016

You should note that the occupation didnt officially start until Oct 7th.

I know this last piece less about Q being pro war propaganda for the reactionaries and more about 9-11 timeline issues, but seeing as we are gearing up for that new investigation into 9-11 that POTUS is doing, seeing that he is anti deep state and all. Whats that you say? What investigation?

Exactly

[Dennis Leahy]

Praxis, all of the references to destroying Iran for little buddy israel could possibly be another 13th dimensional ninja chess move. You and I may not have the brain capacity to understand that when trump and every one who surrounds him echoes the deep state decades-long push to destroy Iran for israel, that the ultimate plan is really to destroy the deep state. I know it doesn't make any sense, so, like I said, I evidently just don't have what it takes to decipher the code.

[onawah]

See http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1251953&viewfull=1#post1251953
for this specifically:
qV_2LpnDzP4

5G will so weaken and debilitate the populace that all the elitist agendas will become much easier to accomplish.
Or so they probably believe; I think it will also create a lot of unexpected catastrophes.
How they are protecting themselves from it is something I would really like to know.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Note that Q is all for the Kavanaugh appointment to the Supreme Court, though he was very instrumental in passing the Patriot Act.
If that doesn't tell us something, I don't know what will.
update #2: As Target points out in his reply (next post) Kavanaugh was instrumental in CREATING the Patriot Act, which is a big distinction, and much worse. (Back to topic)

[TargeT]

Note that Q is all for the Kavanaugh appointment to the Supreme Court, though he was very instrumental in passing the Patriot Act.
If that doesn't tell us something, I don't know what will.

creating, not passing... large difference there; but your point still stands.

There's much more, however in that same vein....

lD7qzH4ob3Y

[onawah]

Yes, important distinction. Thanks Target.



Note that Q is all for the Kavanaugh appointment to the Supreme Court, though he was very instrumental in passing the Patriot Act.
If that doesn't tell us something, I don't know what will.

creating, not passing... large difference there; but your point still stands.

There's much more, however in that same vein....

lD7qzH4ob3Y

[onawah]

NOW WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE thanks to Napolitano.
!!!:idea::clapping::highfive:

[Helene West]

Thanks Target for the Judge's presentation. very depressing.
reminds me of the 2016 election all over again. wasn't crazy about trump but no way was the obvious globalist criminal, clinton, possible for me.
I feel ford has intelligence background and a good agent/actress but now K could be a traitor if he has helped frame the patriot act. we are all constantly screwed.

[TargeT]

Thanks Target for the Judge's presentation. very depressing.
reminds me of the 2016 election all over again. wasn't crazy about trump but no way was the obvious globalist criminal, clinton, possible for me.
I feel ford has intelligence background and a good agent/actress but now K could be a traitor if he has helped frame the patriot act. we are all constantly screwed.

Two management teams fighting each other... still a very viable scenario description for current times.

very concerning history for our future Supreme court Justice..... is all of this confirmation drama a distraction from his actual judicial history?

[Helene West]

Thanks Target for the Judge's presentation. very depressing.
reminds me of the 2016 election all over again. wasn't crazy about trump but no way was the obvious globalist criminal, clinton, possible for me.
I feel ford has intelligence background and a good agent/actress but now K could be a traitor if he has helped frame the patriot act. we are all constantly screwed.

Two management teams fighting each other... still a very viable scenario description for current times.

very concerning history for our future Supreme court Justice..... is all of this confirmation drama a distraction from his actual judicial history?

Exactly. Could this be a complete Intel project with her playing 'victim with no evidence' in order to get part of the country pissed off enough to unwittingly back a flaming globalist into the supreme court?. They could actually be working together to get him in and without us thinking to look closely at him cause we're pissed at her bs act. Meanwhile they could be friends. ugh... tell me I'm paranoid please

[Ratszinger]

Thanks Target for the Judge's presentation. very depressing.
reminds me of the 2016 election all over again. wasn't crazy about trump but no way was the obvious globalist criminal, clinton, possible for me.
I feel ford has intelligence background and a good agent/actress but now K could be a traitor if he has helped frame the patriot act. we are all constantly screwed.

Two management teams fighting each other... still a very viable scenario description for current times.

very concerning history for our future Supreme court Justice..... is all of this confirmation drama a distraction from his actual judicial history?

Exactly. Could this be a complete Intel project with her playing 'victim with no evidence' in order to get part of the country pissed off enough to unwittingly back a flaming globalist into the supreme court?. They could actually be working together to get him in and without us thinking to look closely at him cause we're pissed at her bs act. Meanwhile they could be friends. ugh... tell me I'm paranoid please

This falls within the 'social contract' established long ago but unspoken. It's how the elite groups work together as a 'uni-party' pretending to be a two party system in public, even enemies at odds with each other at times. But then you catch them playing golf together the next day and you realize, all a stage handled act really. Each one playing a part, scripted, perhaps even rehearsed. The system is completely based on money and it appears the way most latch into the system is by money. It buys power but to get it and the power you become this predator. It can even buy breeding to advance your children, legit or not but makes them predators also. Certain modes of behavior are dictated by simply adopting the lifestyle.


This short clip here of Mel Gibson describes the social contract both in Hollywood and D.C. better than anyone I've listened to about it. Scroll to 4:50 to get right to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg-7_s3Dwzo

[onawah]

I don't think that's paranoia at all. I noticed right away when watching the hearing that there was a very neutral, almost peaceful energy space between Ford and Kavanaugh. I would say that is more than just unusual in such a situation, it's unheard of when two protagonists are in the same room and the debate is so hot. Unless, as Mel Gibson points out in the video above, it's a "social contract" between two elites.

Exactly. Could this be a complete Intel project with her playing 'victim with no evidence' in order to get part of the country pissed off enough to unwittingly back a flaming globalist into the supreme court?. They could actually be working together to get him in and without us thinking to look closely at him cause we're pissed at her bs act. Meanwhile they could be friends. ugh... tell me I'm paranoid please

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Yes, important distinction. Thanks Target.



Note that Q is all for the Kavanaugh appointment to the Supreme Court, though he was very instrumental in passing the Patriot Act.
If that doesn't tell us something, I don't know what will.

creating, not passing... large difference there; but your point still stands.

There's much more, however in that same vein....

lD7qzH4ob3Y


When I listen to the above video . . . . and then I listen to at least several videos on this site which talk about Blassey-Fords background. (father in cia, husband works for company that makes mind-altering drugs, brother is connected to Fusion GPS that was involved in fake dossier on Trump). . .I try to comprehend what's really going on.

We have a man being suggested for scotus who drew up the Patriot Act, so imo not on the 'drain the swamp' team - - being accused by a woman who seems to have strong ties to CIA, so also imo not on the 'drain the swamp' team, being pitted against each other.

The guy who does the X22 reports (posted on Q thread) and others suggest it's all a plot for the FBI to investigate Feinstein, who I personally know is a swamp critter. So they had to publicly shame him and publicly embarrass her - all to get Feinstein. Why didn't they just go directly after DF based on the fact that she allegedly has a Chinese spy working for her? Too simple? And why didn't any of the Republicans question Blassey-Ford about her background?

What else came out of this hearing. Definitely stirred up and in their mind's justified every angry woman in US (and there are many )another reason to hate white men, further polarizing our country. Definitely kept many glued to their TV's. I wonder what's really happening behind the curtain while our focus has been held captive by this fol-de-rol.

[onawah]

Or perhaps it's more a question of what hasn't been happening, such as no indictments, no more news about the Clinton emails, pizzagate, no action on exposing the harm vaccines are causing, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. ....
I wonder what's really happening behind the curtain while our focus has been held captive by this fol-de-rol.

[Hervé]

From Trolling To Fleecing: Co-Creator Of ‘Q’ Hoax Explains Its Scary Evolution (http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/29/trolling-fleecing-co-creator-q-hoax-explains-dangerous-evolution/)


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How the QAnon internet hoax sowed lies, spread chaos and conspiracy theories, and profited off its surprisingly large following.


By Georgi Boorman (http://thefederalist.com/author/georgi-boorman/) thefederalist.com

October 29, 2018

A little less than a year after the first QAnon post, which has since led hundreds of thousands of news junkies down a conspiracy rabbit hole, news correspondent Jack Posobiec from One America News Network spoke with one of the co-originators of the “Q” persona who runs a group of individuals posing as a high-level government intelligence officer. On an anonymous “free speech” platform called 8Chan, they leave thousands of riddles, “clues,” odd questions, and cryptic lines as bread crumbs for their followers to help them in their search for truth.

Many major media outlets have overviewed the nest of conspiracy theories (http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/21/thousands-obsessed-nest-conspiracy-theories-called-qanon/) nurtured within Q followers. While many have speculated about who is behind Q and how it came to exist, thanks to Posobiec’s extensive research and the confession of a co-creator who goes by the pseudonym “Microchip,” we now know, with a high degree of certainty, the real origin story of QAnon.

Microchip’s story is believable, and he doesn’t appear to have a good motivation for taking credit for QAnon if he didn’t actually help create it. Additionally, Posobiec indicated he had long suspected it was him before Microchip confessed, after following the suspected Q creators closely for many months.

Although the OANN report (https://www.oann.com/exposed-creator-of-qanon-speaks-for-the-first-time/)was published in early September, it’s hard to take down Q enthusiasts. On the internet, lies don’t die, but continue on in half-life until, like ancient cockroaches, they silently crawl off into the far dark corners of the web. QAnon, while fully discredited for numerous failed predictions (https://old.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/93v1ui/a_noncomprehensive_timeline_of_qs_failed/) and false information (https://twitter.com/georgi_boorman/status/1033379023441653760)in its posts alone, is a full-blown enigmatic cult.


Was QAnon A Mistake?
Like many cults, QAnon encourages its most dedicated followers to give money to the further the “great awakening” (of which Q is supposedly a leader). There is ample evidence outside of Posobiec’s report that the individuals currently running Q are financially motivated and have been for some time.

Several threads of evidence, including Microchip’s confession and Discord logs (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3685630/posts)of his conversation with a co-conspirator, reveal how what was originally intended as a harmless troll to “get people thinking” quickly spun into a mythical persona whose cryptic words developed into a full-fledged conspiratorial worldview for a growing audience, now eager for more riddles (and ripe for financial exploitation).

Microchip (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/from-utah-with-love), who is a master at creating trending topics on Twitter, and another successful pro-Trump meme-creator named Dreamcatcher, were inspired to do their own trolling by another false identity on 4Chan called FBIAnon, who also claimed to have had insider information as a high-level intelligence officer. Microchip wrote on Discord on August 18, 2017:
that signing FBIAnon is good too. Looks spooky, but we should do our own thing, like change the name to something else and use the Socratic method to question stuff out of ppl. This is what I do while trolling, gets people excited and flip sh** on suggestions alone. You know we’ve I’ve [sic] been doing this forever, we should think of something.
He said Q was more of a “mistake” than a planned, purposeful operation to “take down something.”

In his interview with Posobiec and in the chat logs with Dreamcatcher, Microchip referred to the book “Q” by the Italian prankster/writer collective Luther Blissett (https://news.artnet.com/opinion/q-anon-hoax-1329983), whom he referred to as “the Italian author guy.” As a representative of the Wu Ming (Mandarin for “anonymous”) Foundation, an offshoot of the Luther Blissett collective, told (https://www.wumingfoundation.com/giap/2018/08/qanon/#comment-31941) BuzzFeed,
“’Q’ is a disguised, oblique autobiography of the LBP. It is often described as Blissett’s ‘playbook,’ an ‘operations manual’ for cultural disruption.”
Finding Content For Conspiracies
Microchip and Dreamcatcher liked the idea from the book of signing “ominous messages” as “Q,” but before they launched the project, they needed to determine what their content would be. They developed a list of Trump supporters’ interests, including George Soros, and the idea that “Obama [was] working with CIA and FBI to steer the Russia investigation,” “Trump surrounding himself with generals,” and “all kinds of crazy theories” from Alex Jones.

“This is what was getting Trump supporters excited,” Microchip explained. “We put together a list of questions that would spark people’s attention” saying they then “filtered it out” on 4Chan.


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Q “researchers” work these suggestive questions and fringe ideas into more complete ideas, filling in the gaps with their imaginations and thoughts from other conspiracy theorists.

Dreamcatcher saw an opportunity to go beyond just questions and suggestions. According to Microchip, “There was a [anonymous] post (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/146981635/#147005381)where somebody said ‘Hillary Clinton will be arrested,’” shortly, he said, saying it looked like a “gaslight campaign.” Then, according to Microchip, “Randomly one day Dreamcatcher on a post on 4Chan…took the snippet and added details (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/146981635/#147012719).” The post said Clinton’s “extradition” was “already in motion.”

Although no post mentioned “Q” until November 2 (where the first reference was “Q Clearance Patriot”), this is listed as his first post in the archive. Of course, Clinton was never arrested.

Ironically, Q is also a top intelligence clearance level for the Department of Energy. That might have cemented the name for Microchip and Dreamcatcher, or for whomever they passed the account off to.

Whatever the specific origins of these themes, Microchip and others knew those ideas appealed to many on the fringe right. The debunked “Pizzagate” theory that a pedophilia ring was being run out of a pizza shop was in the original list of themes for Q content, serving as a critical seed for the intricate thought cloud surrounding Q posts and generating hype among followers.


Is QAnon Exploiting Its Followers?
“We were never a part of the full QAnon,” Microchip said, “but it’s turned dangerous…these people are being gaslit by whoever is doing it now. I didn’t want it to go that far. It was meant to be like a small unifying factor, just like the ‘petition right.’”
Microchip explained:
It’s meant to be funny, meant to get people’s imaginations going. Point is that people are being exploited by other people who are cognizant of the whole process within Trump supporters’ minds and they’re being used and I feel terrible about that. Part of the reason I even decided to speak about the story is because QAnon is dangerous. Since early 2017 [sic] I’ve told people, you’ve gotta stop doing it and I never wanted to be attached to it.

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Where there is an audience for conspiracy theories, there’s money to be made. As one Q-skeptic, a YouTuber who goes by the name Unirock, recounted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKSUlfT_MnM), he was once invited to a Discord server with some of the core “bakers,” or leading Q researchers.
“I was shocked to hear them talking about the best ways to monetize, brand, and make money off the Q movement. I sat and listened for a minute. They told me they liked the way I branded my art into my channel, asked me some questions. I left. I clicked out.”
Another YouTuber named Isaac Green (known online as AntiSchool) also opened up about being contacted by a leading baker named “FarmerFunk,” who tried to entice him to turn his channel into a “baker’s corner,” saying, “I told you that this would be a brand that would last long after Q drifts away. Build your brand wisely, sir.”

This post and other Q-critical videos and posts have since been deleted. Green told The Federalist that he “didn’t want to be associated” with QAnon, while emphasizing that QAnon is not legitimate in any way. He added that he’s experienced “cyberstalking and harassment” from Q followers.

Tracy Diaz was a small-time YouTuber at QAnon’s inception, but took interest in the posts very early on, according to NBC News’ report (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531). Diaz admits Q gave her following a significant boost, but she has maintained (https://steemit.com/drama/@tracybeanz/she-stood-in-the-storm)that she didn’t make much money off YouTube monetization of Q posts. However, she was accepting donations for “investigative journalism” via Patreon while Q was a significant part of the content she produced. She currently has more than 96,000 YouTube subscribers and 784 patrons.

Like other content creators who had previously spoken favorably of Q posts, she realized the people behind Q aren’t doing what’s in the country’s best interest. Q “has amassed a HUGE cult-like worship in many cases,” she wrote (https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/990651099806945280) on Twitter, and send an “army of people hanging on their every word” after their targets. “This is terrifying.”

When the 99 cent QDrops app, which allows users to “redpill with ease (https://twitter.com/qdropsapp/status/995056847378964482),” launched in April, it climbed to the top slot in the “entertainment” section. It also landed a spot in the top 10 most popular among Apple iOS apps and top 200 in paid iOS apps, according to Newsmax (https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/qdrops-app-apple-store-president-donald-trump/2018/07/17/id/872125/). Apple removed the app in July, but it has more than 5,000 installs from the Google Play (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qdropsandroidllc.qdrops&fbclid=IwAR07u9eeiUgd5c6Adlap9ns7H1SOhsR4ELC38yopAHSGsE8y63TK4PALhGg) store alone.


Patriot’s Soapbox And Monetizing QAnon
Perhaps the biggest money-makers in the Q realm are Coleman Rogers (PamphletAnon) and his wife Christina Urso (who goes by the name CodeMonkey), who started and run Patriot’s Soapbox (PSB), a 24/7 YouTube livestream of Q analysis and registered LLC. Unirock, who has been investigating QAnon for several months, believes that PamphletAnon is responsible for turning QAnon into a cash cow.

Although the corroborating video has been deleted by Patriot’s Soapbox, Unirock (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1247291&viewfull=1#post1247291) told me that during the first two months of the channel, viewers were asked to leave the livestream on at all hours of the day so they would always have a high view count.


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The PSB team added $20,000 to $40,000 in equipment to upgrade their setup over the first couple of months, by Unirock’s estimates. PSB also has a merchandise store. The channel has more than 55,000 subscribers and accepts donations via PayPal and a variety of cryptocurrencies.

There are other indicators that Q promoters are financially motivated. On April 14, Q posted a picture of an obscure highway billboard that says “Where We Go One We Go All,” the unofficial the slogan of the Q community. It directed viewers to a website called DoUKnowQ.com, which, at the time I first visited the sight, sold Q merchandise in addition to providing “Q news” and “Q proofs.”


Free Markets Or Profiting Off Stupidity? Why Not Both?
Q believers have shrugged off the fact that Q researchers are profiting off the movement, citing “free market” principles. Yet whoever was posting as Q took pains to “call out (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1233188.html#1233458)” people who are profiting off the movement, saying they aren’t real “patriots” and that the only “profit we should all be striving for is true freedom.” This was two weeks after Q posted the billboard photo.

To the skeptic, this appears to be a deflection. Q believers have not yet provided me with a reasonable way to reconcile the strong statement from their leader with the profits being made off Q.

On top of all the nonsensical content is the forensic data indicating Q’s fraudulence. As Posobiec noted, PamphletAnon was once caught “claiming a post was from Q when the post did not contain the actual trip code validation. Not that hard to figure out how he knew about the post when no one else did.” Posobiec also points out that
“the tripcode changes seemed to coincide with changes in the lineup of board moderators as new mods were brought in and old mods were kicked out of the group.”

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QAnon’s passwords were once hacked (https://pastebin.com/P1g5RPWs)and published along with a technical discussion from the hacker outlining the evidence that Q doesn’t secure his content the way a “high level intel officer” would. Unirock reminded me of a still more suspicious behavior: Q only posts on someone else’s 8Chan board, where Q-drops could be potentially deleted by moderators or Q’s passcode disabled. A real government agent wouldn’t put this supposedly important information at risk like that.

Could Microchip have generated fake logs to take credit for Q? It’s a possibility. But his story doesn’t exactly make him look good. Here we see a man admitting to trolling, to baiting Trump supporters with conspiracy theories, and seeming amused when his friend literally made up a prediction out of whole cloth to get the fringe right riled up––just for laughs.

Q believers flatly reject all evidence that Q is a fraud, only a sliver of which is provided in this article. Instead, they earnestly insist that Q researchers are doing “real journalism,” and that I need to “red pill” and “leave the Matrix.” They do not consider that perhaps it is they who need to wake up from their own LARP matrix and leave the virtual compound.

QAnon has such a dangerous hold over its followers because it appeals to deeper, spiritual needs. Wu Ming provides incisive commentary:
In certain ways, conspiracy theorists are in the same league as psychics, magicians, astrologists and gurus of pseudo-medicine: all these people work in the field of wonder…In doing this, they exploit human needs, because in our life we do need surprise, wonder, new angles from which looking [sic] at things and thinking we’re different. Conspiracy theorists provide all that, and channel the people’s anxiety on [sic] their lives into the belief in an all-explaining narrative.

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Microchip implored Q followers to wake up. “QAnon is not resolving problems. There is no mysterious agency dispatch B to come save you riding in on a white horse like one would believe. But the idea is that you have to get out and you have to actually do stuff because QAnon is not going to save you…you gotta go out and vote, you gotta go out and do activism. You can’t just sit at home and hope that these magical guys behind the scenes are going to magically save the USA because they’re not there.”

Words to live by.

[Satori]

I remain skeptical about QAnon.

Before going on, I confess that in the past few years, especially, my skepticism has succumbed to outright cynicism. Cynicism often taints not only my world view but my perceptions in general. I'm mindful of that and as a result I try hard to be open-minded and objective, willing to receive all manner of views, opinions and ideas. As the saying goes, I'd rather have a mind open to wonder than one closed by belief. (I understand Gerry Spence said that.). But also, not a mind so open that my brains fall out. (I'm not sure who to credit that phrase to.)

But (and there's often a but), with that in mind, I'm not sold on Q being a white hat. Further, I'm not sold that Q is a person. I think, right or wrong, that Q is several people using AI and the Internet and other forms of technology. Frankly, I think it is just as plausible that Q is operated by black hats seeking to exploit our gullibility, by playing to our burning desires to find and have peace and happiness, as it is that Q is what people such as Jerome Corsi make "Q" out to be.

Please understand that I have followed Q from day one. I read the Q and anon posts. I follow this forum. I watch and listen to Jerome Corsi, Lionel and others. This is not an attack on Q, Corsi or anyone. In his recent video, Lionel is even telling us that it's good to read and follow Q, but to be wary. I am indeed wary.

I want to believe. But I remain skeptical. I get the feeling that this is all a set up. That we are being lulled into a false sense of comfort and security. Why? So we drop our guard. So we pull back on the reigns and refrain from being vigilant. So that we stand down on the assumption that there are others, so called white hats, many of them, watching our backs and doing the heavy lifting.

I have lived long enough to come to realize that in matters of State you can't leave the heavy lifting to any one person, or any few persons. We all have an important role to play. We must each remain vigilant.

In light of these recent posts, I'm bumping this.

Edit: I now realize I bumped this to the wrong thread. I meant to put it on the "Q-Anon-Opposing Viewpoint LARP...." thread. I'll see if I can fix it.

Edit: I can't. But that is where it belongs. Or perhaps the "Q Revealed..." thread.

[mountain_jim]

as copied from my post in other thread:


Neon Revolt has
debunked Microchip's debunking in numerous posts of his own over the last 2 months - I refuse to revisit this quite old news at this point, and will just wait and see who is proved right soon enough.

Well other than this link from 9/10:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/10/breaking-microchip-and-the-deep-state-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

[James]

So... I'm not much of a farmer. I don't know the trees, I just shop for the fruit, and I've recently picked up a bushel of some strange fruit called "QAnon" a few passersby said was the most important fruit of this generation. Maybe by this peculiar fruit I can get to know the tree a little better, as no one seems to have any answers for me. Just a few excited folks that really seem to like this fruit, and hey, I'm excited now, too.

The fruit I'm looking at is unlabeled but inked near the stem with a large "Q." This is all I have to work with.

It's soft, pliable, and in my hand, can form to whatever shape I'm working toward. The fruit itself is slightly aromatic and in vibrant shades of red, white, and blue - however - when you scratch beneath the skin, it appears to be a generic, matte grey.

When I bite into this fruit, I recognize the flavor immediately. My tongue starts to swell, and the back of my throat gets a dry, scratchy feeling. I spit the mushy fruit out and try my best to pick the seeds out from my teeth.

I asked one of the other farmers at the market if they know who brings these bushels in each morning. He doesn't know, and says they're already there before anyone even gets to the market. He knows of a couple guys who claimed to be the farmers, but he's never seen them around here before, so it's probably a longshot.

I went back to the stand to ask for a refund, but halfway there, I remembered the fruit was free, anyway.

Standing from the outside looking in, I think I can make an assessment about the QAnon tree.

As badly as I want to believe in a Donaldus Trumpicus Master Plan of Epic Greatness and Wisdom (I voted for the man!), I'm not getting any good data from Q, or Q+. I'm looking at an anonymous source with no credentials to verify, posting "clues" that largely involve readers' pareidolia to forge a meaning from.

I just opened a tab to a website that generates random words. Here are the ten it generated for me:

Yield, minute, faint, political, cheap, cower, bid, uninterested, construe, furtive.

Take those ten words and throw in a few conservative buzzwords/names and numbers, and you could create a QAnon post that someone, somewhere, somewhen, would bake into a QAnon fruit pie.

Until I can hold in my hand some clear, concise, falsifiable data - and not the conjecture of bakers picking breadcrumbs up from a dusty floor - I'm uber skeptical and lean toward what my tastebuds were telling me I bit into - some bitter fruit I have an allergy to that I found before from Farmer Larp's orchard.

[Cognitive Dissident]

An update on this, Edward Riordan posted a short video on YouTube looking back at the Q-Anon viewing and talking about a news article about DARPA developing an all-seeing AI that can monitor the whole world (yes it is that clearly stated, as he said, very creepy):

https://youtu.be/oiubBmjU1Wc

He said that the future is upon us now, and the take-over of this AI is 3-4 years from now, without any resistance (he says). In other words, very dramatic (and negative) change happening soon

This seems to link very closely to the Eighth Sphere of Rudolf Steiner, which is one of the key subjects of Dark Journalist's X-Series. Here's one of the latest in the series, goes into a lot of detail, well worth watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHV7WFM2Avk

Dark Journalist talks more about resistance, in the context of the mystery schools and the rising of Atlantis - probably the subject of another thread, but the summary is that the technopocalypse cannot be avoided, but can be resisted through knowledge and awareness.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm hesitant to disturb the "Q" thread participants with this question, so I'll ask it here and hope some from that thread that are monitoring this one will know the answer.

Is "Q" also on board with "regime change*" in Venezuela, as he/they was on board with "regime change" in Iran?

*(Remember, "regime change" is a euphemism for forcibly installing a new globalist-backed, globalist-aligned puppet government.)

The president of the United States has named ... NAMED! ... some globalist tool to be the president of Venezuela. Now, I know that trump supporters will shrug this off, as if it is somehow OK for the US president to anoint some guy in a different sovereign nation as that country's new president, and dismiss the election results. It isn't. It isn't OK for the USA, INC. to select the leaders in other nations, leaders that are invariably tools of the Globalist Empire - controlled by the Deep State Globalist 'borg.' Astoundingly, trump loyalists (at least some of whom believe that trump is anti-globalist), are somehow OK with a globalist takeover of Venezuela. Regardless of what you BELIEVE about trump, he is ACTING AS a deep-state globalist. Is "Q" on board with the globalist "regime change" too? Or is "Q" saying that trump is only performing one of his genius-level 4D chess moves?

[ThePythonicCow]

Regardless of what you BELIEVE about trump, he is ACTING AS a deep-state globalist. Is "Q" on board with the globalist "regime change" too? Or is "Q" saying that trump is only performing one of his genius-level 4D chess moves?
What if the deep state imperialists (Rockefeller's, Bush's, Clinton's, CIA, etc) had placed the current President Nicolas Maduro in power and had destroyed Venezuela, as they have done so often before, in Venezuela and so many other countries?

What if Trump was actually working to dismantle this US imperialist intervention and to return Venezuela to the people of Venezuela?

I have no reliable way to know what is actually happening on the ground, in Venezuela. I know that most of the time, most of the narratives, both main stream and alternative, that I have access to regarding what is really going on somewhere else in the world that I don't have much personal knowledge of, are false or seriously flawed narratives.

However, if the narratives that I have heard so far regarding Venezuela, the one that perolator posted earlier today in his Turmoil in Venezuela, Post #120 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105808-Turmoil-in-Venezuela&p=1272122&viewfull=1#post1272122) strikes me as the most credible that I've heard so far. I encourage you to give it a listen.

I entirely agree, Dennis, that the US should not be conducting regime changes in other nations, and I agree that the US has done so more times than I could count.

However, when and if the US has done so, and another nation is currently in deep turmoil on account of such intervention, does not the US have a moral obligation to help the people of that nation throw off the tin-pot, banana-republic, dictators that it's imperialist policies placed there, and to allow and support the return of the control of that nation to its people?

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Granted, Dennis, there are a couple of "complications" to these events:

Trump is not the real boss. He's been handed the reins to a team of ten thousand stamping imperialist horses, who have been running rough shod over our nation for the last century and over our planet for thousands of years, under the control of deeper, more powerful families. The foreign policy of the United States will continue to oscillate between (1) totally sucks and (2) mostly sucks.
There is a difference between getting rid of the bad and replacing it with good. Just because I cheer on Trump for putting the heat on the Obama-Clinton-Etc crimes against humanity doesn't mean that I will end up endorsing whatever follows. Just because I willingly paid dentists to drill out cavities in my teeth, years ago, doesn't mean that I am grateful for the "silver" (aka mercury, that left me half deaf) fillings those dentists placed there instead.


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Regarding Venezuela and Q -- I don't recall Q commenting on Venezuela.

[ThePythonicCow]

However, when and if the US has done so, and another nation is currently in deep turmoil on account of such intervention, does not the US have a moral obligation to help the people of that nation throw off the tin-pot, banana-republic, dictators that it's imperialist policies placed there, and to allow and support the return of the control of that nation to its people?
I posted an "Opposing Viewpoint", more in line with the primary thrust of this thread, over at Turmoil in Venezuela -- Post #157 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105808-Turmoil-in-Venezuela&p=1272353&viewfull=1#post1272353").

In short, I posted there that Maduro is bad, that Guaidó is likely but a brief, appealing, distraction, and that American Imperialist intentions are, as usual, even worse. If Trump's intentions are good, then Trump is impotent in these events.

Guaidó is the candy that the Rockefeller trained allopathic doctor uses to get you to start taking your chemo, after they have poisoned you enough that you have cancer. You end up very dead, very sick and very poor, poisoned and bankrupted by the chemo.

I would suggest that those with faith pray that this is not the path of Venezuela, that Venezuela is not on the path that Libya traveled. The collapse of Libya resulted in a flood of non-acclimated, non-acclimatable, migrants into Europe. Perhaps the Anglo-American Imperialists have the same fate in store for the United States?

[Dennis Leahy]

Regardless of what you BELIEVE about trump, he is ACTING AS a deep-state globalist....
What if the deep state imperialists (Rockefeller's, Bush's, Clinton's, CIA, etc) had placed the current President Nicolas Maduro in power and had destroyed Venezuela, as they have done so often before, in Venezuela and so many other countries?This sounds like a Netflix movie plot for a fantasy good guy US president to swoop in...


What if Trump was actually working to dismantle this US imperialist intervention and to return Venezuela to the people of Venezuela?...
... and there it is. Fantasy good guy US president, an emancipator, not just an imperialist scumbag tool like all his predecessors, swoops in, saves the day. Nice. The Trump of which you speak must wear a cape and his underwear on the outside, and navigates by way of his glowing Sacred Heart. That's Supertrump, and his pit vipers Bolton and Abrams, swooping in to make sure that the people of Venezuela get the profits of the sale of that national Venezuelan resource, oil... hey, wait a minuto!

Back to this:
What if the deep state imperialists (Rockefeller's, Bush's, Clinton's, CIA, etc) had placed the current President Nicolas Maduro in power...

Problemo #1: Well, they didn't. Nor did they bring Chavez to power. Sorry, it blows the whole fantasy, but the neoliberals and neocons --> neoliberalcons, to coin a word, the modern flavor components of the deep state globalists, have been marking their territory for decades. We know full well what their footprint looks like. It ain't "socialist." It ain't a class uprising. But they have every reason to squash class uprisings and socialist movements.

There's that word again, "socialism", that word that has been disemboweled and torn to shreds and stitched back together and reanimated and used as a pejorative to describe its complete opposite. I know it gets confusing, and that's because that word was targeted for destruction. Socialism is the opposite of privatization and power, resource, and wealth ownership consolidation, not the opposite of capitalism. Privatization, and power, resource, and wealth ownership consolidation, on a global scale, is globalism.

Socialism is "of the people" and "sharing essential resources" and "sharing the commons" and "having decentralized government" and toward an "egalitarian society" or at least toward a society where everyone's basic needs are met. It is decentralized power that the globalists fear most - the loss of their centralized power that they have networked (with mobsters) and worked (clawed, manipulated, murdered) for decades to get political and military power under their mobster family control.

Globalism is private ownership (privatization)/dissolution of the commons. Globalism is about the autocratic consolidation of governance power and resources and wealth - and, on a global scale, that is the NWO goal. Value of individuals is based on how much they affect the globalists cash-flow, so the poor are ledger debits - ignorable, expendable.

Socialism emphasizes shared public ownership of a "commons", distribution of governance power (government decentralization - not autocracy but rather democracy), value of all individuals. Much flatter hierarchy and emphasis on local governance.

(Communism would seek to dissolve all private ownership. That does not describe socialism. Just wanted to make the point of what socialism isn't. While I'm here, I'll say that communism also would dissolve hierarchical governance, which is why communism has never happened anywhere, and couldn't happen in a social group larger than a large family/commune.)

Socialist uprisings and legitimate socialist movements are class wars. It's the "have not's", and those that have little, uniting to take control of their own governance and a share of the pie (if there is one.)

Have we yet established that the globalists are the bad guys? Do we agree there? So, if we see how they operate, their M.O., and recognize they are antisocialist, then we're not going to pretend that when we see class wars erupting all over the planet, that it's the globalists - with the most to lose with the success of any class war- fomenting it. Maybe the word "globalist" should always be followed by the word "mobster", so there is no warm and fuzzy "handshake around the globe" vibe in the word 'globalist.'



... when and if the US has done so, and another nation is currently in deep turmoil on account of such intervention, does not the US have a moral obligation to help the people of that nation throw off the tin-pot, banana-republic, dictators that it's imperialist policies placed there, and to allow and support the return of the control of that nation to its people?
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No. The USA, INC. (the Deep State controlled, mobster government of the USA) is utterly incapable of helping Venezuela, or anyone. The USA, INC. has never ever ever helped another country (other than Israel.) Good examples include Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, where the USA, INC. destroyed the country, killed from hundreds of thousands to millions of innocent humans,... and then says the USA, INC. is going to extract (steal) the minerals, steal the oil, steal the gold - ostensibly to pay for the USA, INC. "intervention"/destruction.


...I posted an "Opposing Viewpoint", more in line with the primary thrust of this thread, over at Turmoil in Venezuela -- Post #157 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105808-Turmoil-in-Venezuela&p=1272353&viewfull=1#post1272353&quot;).

In short, I posted there that Maduro is bad...
I believe I detect a thinly veiled "socialism is bad; Maduro is socialist; Maduro is bad" equivalency from reading a number of your posts.* In using "bad" you're not emphasizing 'incompetent' or 'myopic' or a bumpkin or an idiot... the implication (to me) of someone being "one of the bad guys", i.e., "bad", would be how deeply and thickly associated they are with the mobster class running the world - the globalists, the bad guys. If Maduro had some truly despicable uber-mobster buddies, people on the order of say, Abrams, Bolton, Giuliani, then I would be highly suspect that Maduro is a bad guy - a globalist mobster. So, I don't know, does Maduro have friends at that level of slithering evil? The most common two allegations are that Maduro is a "dictator", and that he is a colossal thief stealing from the Venezuelan commons, rather than admitting that he is a hapless victim of globalist-imperialist economic warfare that he lacks the sophistication and wherewithal to thwart. There is a big difference. Before declaring Maduro as belonging in the same bedpan as the globalist mobsters, "bad", his actual despotic and misanthropic acts would be examined (if they exist) and his sociopathy (if real) ought to be compared to the globalists that we KNOW are "bad", misanthropic, despotic, sociopathic/psychopathic mobsters.

*(I am actually keen to gain an understanding of the fears of this ideology, and I do appreciate that you and some others take the time to express your understanding of the pros and cons of any form of 'socialism.' I don't qualify as, nor do I want to be, the spokesperson for 'socialism' but I do want to understand which fears are grounded and which are not. All of us operate our home and family life 'socialist.' The foundations of friendship are also 'socialist', not as a political ideology but whom we share with and care for. So, why are the same concepts of taking care of one another in our families and friend circles suddenly frightening when applied to a wider circle of people?)

[ThePythonicCow]

I believe I detect a thinly veiled "socialism is bad; Maduro is socialist; Maduro is bad" equivalency from reading a number of your posts.
Dang -- I should write more clearly next time. No veil, thin or otherwise, was intended :).

I responded to what might be the larger issue here over on the Venezuela thread: Post #170 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105808-Turmoil-in-Venezuela&p=1272555&viewfull=1#post1272555).

[Dennis Leahy]

I believe I detect a thinly veiled "socialism is bad; Maduro is socialist; Maduro is bad" equivalency from reading a number of your posts.
Dang -- I should write more clearly next time. No veil, thin or otherwise, was intended :).

I responded to what might be the larger issue here over on the Venezuela thread: Post #170 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105808-Turmoil-in-Venezuela&p=1272555&viewfull=1#post1272555).

hahahahaha Excellent! We're getting closer to understanding each other's language. Not here in this thread, but please, let's continue this. Extremely interesting to me.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted today, a major article. (And an interesting one, too)


http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/unraveling-q-qanon-hoax

Unraveling the QAnon Hoax

The QAnon, Q-Anon or Q phenomenon which started around October 2017 managed to attract a large amount of die-hard followers who hung on Q’s every word. However, 1.5 years later, we have enough clues to see who was really behind the whole thing, which now appears to be over.

There were many clues that QAnon was a psy-op, including his blatant support of regime change in Iran (right in line with the Zionist NWO agenda), his insistence that rabid warmonger and neocon John Bolton was cleaning up Washington and his praise for current US President Donald Trump who has dropped more bombs and fired more missiles (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-ramped-up-drone-strikes-in-americas-shadow-wars) than Obama.

QAnon Praises Neocon Warmongers

Whitney Webb wrote in this June 2018 MintPressNews article (https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-trump-conspiracy-monger-qanon-calls-for-regime-change-in-iran/244686/):




“The reality constructed by QAnon has ultimately unfolded much like a fictitious spy novel, one that details a “secret” counter-coup by the Trump administration against the so-called “Deep State” that Trump – in reality — has dutifully served ever since winning the 2016 election. Despite QAnon’s having been proven wrong repeatedly, its following remains large and the phenomenon itself remains influential.

Robert Martin, a documentary filmmaker whose series “A Very Heavy Agenda” delves into the nefarious political influence of the neoconservatives, told MintPress that QAnon is the “perfect wish-fulfillment conspiracy snowball” aimed at conservatives, adding that it has worked to “rehabilitate some of the most tarnished and scary neocons to all of a sudden be heroic figures.””

Jason Bermas’ Interview with Defango and Dreamcatcher

In this January 2019 interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVH3avGwDI), Jason Bermas (producer of documentaries such as Fabled Enemies) interviews 2 men who go by “Defango” and “Dreamcatcher.” They claim they started Q as a LARP (Live Action Role Playing) game which sprung from Cicada 3301, a group that constructs very difficult-to-solve puzzles.

Dreamcatcher admits that, at the start, he was “sh*tposting” just to see what would stick and, to his surprise, the QAnon phenomenon took off like no other LARP before it had. Both Defango and Dreamcatcher refer to another person who posted as Q known as “Microchip” who they say took trips to Israel. They speculate that he may be connected with the notorious Israeli spy agency, the Mossad.

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What About the Sealed Indictments?

QAnon supporters will point to PACER (Public Access to Court Electronic Records, the US nationwide database of court records for Appellate, District and Bankruptcy courts) as proof that not all of Q’s posts were without substance. However, the presence of an increase of sealed files itself is not evidence. We don’t know what’s in these sealed files. They may be arrest warrants or they may be something far less serious. As this article (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/sealed-indictments-qanon-conspiracy/) states:




“Essentially, the number #QAnon is using is factually correct, but leaves out vital context that explains that relatively few of the 1,077 are actual criminal indictments. Most are routine court matters …A random sampling of these files showed 83 percent of sealed magistrate cases to be warrant applications or tracking devices. They are NOT indictments, but #QAnon’s number includes them anyway.”
QAnon Phenomenon Explained: Cryptic Clues, Cult Following, Gamification

This Corbett Report podcast (https://www.corbettreport.com/you-are-being-gamed/) explains how society is being gamified as a way to lure us into surveilling ourselves and giving over our data to the Corporatocracy and Big Gov. Examples are the Pokemon app a few years back and the Chinese Sesame Credit (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/sesame-credit-gamification-control/) system.

Look how QAnon worked. It consisted of dropping some real info to build credibility and attract a cult following, all the while propagating cryptic clues (as is Cicada 3301’s specialty) rather than just spelling out the facts (and proving it with documents) as genuine whistleblowers like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden do. This led to countless hours being wasted on a game and puzzle of no importance when more pressing matters that require activist attention went unnoticed.

Who Endorsed QAnon?

Early on, Alex Jones jumped aboard the QAnon bandwagon by devoting a lot of attention and airtime (and employing Jerome Corsi) in analyzing Q’s cryptic threads. However, Jones’ credibility has been in question for a very long time now over his failure to grasp the issue of Zionism (whether deliberately or not), plus the way he has gone off the rails and has devoted his headlines to how Trump and Republicans are good, and how Democrats, Muslims and immigrants are bad, no matter what, end of story.

Many people have used Alex Jones and InfoWars to start their awakening process, only to quickly move beyond his very limited and partisan perspectives. Anyone who simplistically believes that one political party is “good” and the other “bad” has fallen very deeply for the fake left-right paradigm.

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David Wilcock’s Damaged Street Cred

In this recent interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZY_jNeoDq8), David Wilcock stated he believed that there was something to the QAnon phenomenon. For his part, Wilcock has over the years also lost a lot of street credibility with his staunch support for Obama, who turned out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing (read about the top 10 lowlights of the Obama legacy (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/obama-legacy-10-highlights-lowlights/) here). Wilcock has thrown his weight behind Corey Goode and his stories of the Blue Avian ETs, a phenomenon which remains to be corroborated, since of the tens or hundreds of thousands of other ET abductees and contactees around the world, no one else to my knowledge has ever spoken of “blue avian” aliens apart from Goode (some other SPP [Secret Space Program] whistleblowers like Tony Rodrigues believe him however).

Wilcock also foolishly led a lot of people up the garden path on a road to nowhere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtFCEP3QtM) by teaming up with Benjamin Fulford (and a mysterious, anonymous “Drake” character) around 2011-2012 to propagate the idea that “mass arrests of the Illumunati are imminent” and that there’s nothing we have to do other sit back and watch it happen. We’re all going to be saved. Hmm-hmm. Nothing of the sort ever happened.

Does the QAnon phenomenon contain the same sort of embedded psychology when it advocates that we just need to sit back and “trust the plan” that mass arrests or incarcerations will occur due to the “sealed indictments”?

Save Me! Save Me!

This idea that we can all be lazy and complacent while some white hat, good guy group comes out of nowhere to take down the bad guys is absurd. A study of history shows us that it is extremely rare for one group to overthrow another and then to voluntarily relinquish the reins of power to hand it back to the masses.

It happens occasionally, but it is not the norm. We have to be vigilant when we come across movements that promise such a thing, for it could very well be a trick to exploit the part of human psychology that wants to hope, to believe and to be saved without doing any of the grunt work that it takes to be free.

QAnon is Over

The QAnon phenomenon appears to be over for now. So what lessons can be learned from it? QAnon was a distraction and a puzzle that kept people entertained and engaged in digging for clues or solving mysteries of no importance while real injustices deserving of attention were ignored. As Whitney Webb wrote, “trust the plan” was just the sequel to “hope and change” to suck us into a hope-rollercoaster that goes nowhere.

How can Trump really be fighting the “Deep State” (Shadow Government/NWO) when the NWO is nonpartisan? How can Trump be fighting the Deep State or “draining the swamp” when he has surrounded himself with swamp-dwellers and swamp-critters, such as Goldman Sachs and Rothschild-affiliated agents, Zionists and generals?

The QAnon phenomenon has shown that many people still lack the discernment to be able to separate truth, hoax, psy-op and other forms of disinfo from each other. It’s difficult because truth is never just served up on a silver platter and there are times when you have to follow your intuition in the absence of hard evidence.

Swinging to one extreme and demanding hard, material proof for everything will limit your perspective, as will swinging to the other extreme by believing any fairy tale that comes along.

Hopefully this will act us a wake-up call to those who fell for it. Ultimately, the truth is out there and I believe we all the capacity to resonate with it and see through the lies … but it requires hard work, wide reading, critical thought, measuring different perspectives in your mind and an ability to sees general patterns amidst all the detail.

[Leon55]

That article is just another hit piece. Instead of having a nuanced look, it exaggerates things to make the phenomenon look silly:


This idea that we can all be lazy and complacent while some white hat, good guy group comes out of nowhere to take down the bad guys is absurd. A study of history shows us that it is extremely rare for one group to overthrow another and then to voluntarily relinquish the reins of power to hand it back to the masses.

One of Q's main goals is to get people to talk about certain subjects and to do research. Q constantly emphasizes how important optics and narrative control is. There is an information war going on and Patriots need to act by trying so spread information as far and wide as they can.

Also the "good guy out of nowhere" is an absurd claim. Military intelligence just came out of nowhere? It never existed before? Why wouldn't military intelligence keep an eye on geopolitics and therefore the role US politicians play in it? They didn't come from nowhere, they must have been aware for a while now how corrupt the US government has become.


The QAnon phenomenon appears to be over for now. So what lessons can be learned from it?

Really? Im only seeing it grow. How did this person reach the conclusion that it appears to be over for now?

The author also speaks about Alex Jones, but who cares about him? Q already outed him as a Mossad limited hangout.

[Hervé]

Interesting observations from authors of old dug up by Rachel (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106041-RIP-Goode-Wilcock-Sather----Eternal-Life-in-Entertainment-Tabloids-&p=1275486&viewfull=1#post1275486)):
quoteinvestigator.com has an article on this adage and the earliest version they have is from Jonathon Swift in 1710 (“The Examiner”).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…

See HERE (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/) for more on the history of this.

The modern version being:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png A lie can travel around the world while the Truth is still putting on its shoes...
Of course, the bigger the lie, repeated often enough, and the deeper is truth beaten down into the ground, bare footed.


The above may be a result of or an addition to:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Exposure to true information does not matter anymore: A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information.

The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with informations [which are] authentic, true, with documents, with pictures [...] he will refuse to believe it.

That's the tragedy of the demoralization [step].

[...]

So, basically, you in America are stuck with demoralization. And unless, even if you start right now, here this minute, educating a new generation of Americans, it will still take fifteen or twenty years to turn the tide of ideological perception of reality and normalcy and patriotism.
From: Interview between Yuri Bezmenov & Edward Griffin (https://mcalvanyintelligenceadvisor.com/demoralization-destabilization-insurgency-normalization)

[norman]

Where are the Q facts in all these references ?

I'm seeing nothing more that an intellectual ego festival brewing. Heightened, no doubt, by the breast beating over outing Corey Goode.

I cannot see any logical link between Corey's 'alliance' and Q, other than the obvious opportunistic plagiarising he does.


What I can see, is a lot of self confessed disinterested people, who say they can't bring themselves to study 'Q' with any commitment, tumbling around in confused fallacies about what the Q thing is. Even Joseph Farrell is wise enough to avoid doing that, unlike Daniel Liszt, who shames himself by taking cheap shots at Q and the people who know the most about Q.


I suppose, for someone who is bored by Q and knows almost nothing about Q, Taking 'cues' from such "respectable" talking heads as Daniel Liszt might seem like the cool and correct thing to do. "Well, if Daniel Liszt can confidently dismiss Q as a larp for losers, I can too. That'll save me a hell of a lot of time finding out what Q is all about".


Really !?


Come on, we can do better than this.

[ThePythonicCow]

Where are the Q facts in all these references ?
If I may ask, which post are you responding to?

[A Voice from the Mountains]

[/SIZE][/SIZE]So, basically, you in America are stuck with demoralization. And unless, even if you start right now, here this minute, educating a new generation of Americans, it will still take fifteen or twenty years to turn the tide of ideological perception of reality and normalcy and patriotism.From: Interview between Yuri Bezmenov & Edward Griffin (https://mcalvanyintelligenceadvisor.com/demoralization-destabilization-insurgency-normalization)

Already started on 9/11 for me and a big chunk of the US population. That's almost 18 years ago.

About 30% of US respondents were telling Gallup they didn't believe the official story of 9/11 in the mid-2000s. "Conspiracy theorists" have always been a thorn in the side of the establishment here. Many more people are prepared for public breakthrough than MSM gaslighting might lead one to think. The American people are not MSM pundits.

[Antonia]

That fits perfectly with Unirocks outing video of Q being the gang of Bakers who run boards on 8 chan and The Patriot Soap Box. Farma Funk, Code Monkey, Baruck The Scribe etc etc ...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I figured I'd throw this out there too, since a new record was just set the other day.




The QAnon phenomenon appears to be over for now. So what lessons can be learned from it?

Really? Im only seeing it grow. How did this person reach the conclusion that it appears to be over for now?

It is in fact growing. Just one of the Q feed websites collating posts from 8chan hit 500,000 live viewers a few days ago. That's a half million people watching the feed live as drops were being made, on only one of the feed websites (and not even the one I use, which is Qanonposts.io (https://www.qanonposts.io/)). The previous record was about 400,000 live viewers at one time.

MSM keeps attacking people who even reference Q or retweet something from a pro-Q account. In all of my years of engaging in "conspiracy theory" circles, I've never seen the MSM so sensitive about a conspiracy theory, or at least not since Podesta's emails were leaked and generated the Pizzagate stuff around the time of the election, which also freaked them out and led to them coining the term "fake news," which Trump then hijacked from them.

The media shrugged off 9/11 truthers for many years with nowhere near the difficulty they now seem to be having controlling the narrative, and that's even when a sizeable portion of the US population (~15-30%, depending on MIHOP/LIHOP framing, etc.) believed that the government was lying or hiding information about those attacks.

And to go back to the 9/11 attacks, and the George W. Bush administration, that is where a lot of people now following Q originally jumped onto the "conspiracy theory" (weaponized CIA term) bandwagon. The country was nowhere near as politically polarized back then, and many of the 9/11 truthers were also "birthers." I bring this up because I want to emphasize that this "awake and aware" movement of citizens is not a new phenomenon that came out of nowhere. It has a history that can be traced as far as these kinds of things go.

Before 9/11, you can even go back to Waco. The Oklahoma City Bombing was blamed on a guy who supposedly was mad about Waco and Ruby Ridge. Why? Because Waco was a wake-up call for many American patriots to the level of tyranny that was already beginning to show. After Waco and OKC is when the FBI started issuing anti-terrorism pamphlets that spoke of US citizens citing the US Constitution as potential domestic terrorists. And this was in the early/mid 1990s.

Alex Jones gained traction around the same time, I suppose as damage control.

And what about all the "conspiracy theorists" who have always believed that JFK's real murderers got away with it?

This back-and-forth has been developing for a long time. I suppose the real problem is that many people are just not able to come to terms with how deep these problems actually go, or the idea that someone would finally get into power who represents a faction actually doing something about all of this. But by the time the smoke settles, I don't think there will be any question about it anymore.

Huber's investigations are ongoing and the OIG report remains to be seen. Roger Stone's court case is going to be explosive too, when the Wikileaks narrative is effectively put on trial this fall. Just watch how this all unfolds. It is all happening very methodically and will influence the course of an entire generation.

[Franny]

This blog article was recommended by Joseph Farrell and written by a friend of his, he has recommended them several times. I've got to say it is fairly close to my view of the situation, hence my posting of it :)

Perhaps my major concerns are the way the Q narrative is so tightly framed, little else is of concern to Q, and the divisiveness between right and left is a strong theme as well. I'll leave it to the article to fill readers in.

Very interested readers may want to go the the website as there are a few unexciting images and over 40 embedded links which I did not include. A dozen, ok, but 40+ is a bit much.

Click here for article (https://augenguy.blogspot.com/2019/03/behold-qult.html)

Behold The Qult

Let me begin with some "B Proofs". I have stated in several articles and interviews on Rense Radio that I suspected Q follower numbers were being inflated as rewards to the Anons and Commentators, as well as a means to control the perception of the operation's effectiveness and distribution. The proof recently came on the "Patriots Fight" board.


For those not deeply (and wisely) initiated into this operation, Q has two boards on 8chan - one where Q exclusively posts its Drops (no other posts), and one where the Anons (Apostles and Acolytes) can post their research and comments.


The reader should also be aware that there are several sites where the Drops are automatically re-posted (based on trip codes), numbered, titled, and often share space with POTUS (President of the United States) tweets and Anon posts. Two of the most popular of these sites are Qanon.pub and Qmap.pub.


Qmap had a live user count at the top of the page, which consistently showed more than 200,000 online users at most times.


The screenshot here shows that the Admin of Qmap became aware of inflated user numbers via a hack of the system, and subsequently took the counter off the page. At first, he repaired the counter, which then showed about 2,000 users at any time. Apparently this was not a good sales point and the counter disappeared altogether.


I contend that if inflated counts are a proven fact in this case, then the probability of it happening on other outlets has increased significantly. The reported numbers of Q Followers should be viewed with a skeptical eye.


There is also the matter of the [-21] day countdown that was to culminate on 19 March. I clearly indicated that nothing would happen of any importance to the Spygate scandal, as many Qvians predicted (DECLAS of FISA for one).

The three events that did happen were the Christchurch mosque shootings, Trump vetoing the Senate's repeal of his Border National Emergency (BNE), and Attorney General Barr's blessing of the BNE on 15 March. The Qvians either heralded the BNE as being the Big Event, or that the Christchurch attacks had stolen the headlines and any Trump surprises were thus put on hold.


The oft-repeated excuse for Q Fails is that the Drop was "disinformation" or a "decoy" for the Deep State to get them to expend "ammunition," and thus be rendered ineffective when the "real" news came (see Q3165)


In Q3078, Q clearly says that the Christchurch attacks were "not big enough" to pull headlines away from Trump's supposed bombshells.


This and other Drops from Q imply that it had foreknowledge of the attacks, or at minimum expected - even wanted - them to happen. If this is the case, then why didn't Q expose the attacks before, or at least after? Instead, it gloated in the waste of a mass killing to derail Q/POTUS plans.


This appears to be callous disregard for human life, and/or usurpation of tragedy to advance its agenda. Either way, not a pretty picture, and one we have repeatedly seen with Q (see Q3077). Even in the face of this tragedy, Q highlights its countdown (see Q3173).


Let us now turn to the Q Cult, or Qult. We begin with a definition of "cult": noun

a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. - "the cult of St. Olaf"

a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. - "a network of Satan-worshiping cults"

a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing. - "a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"


As I have pointed out many times in previous articles, particularly "The Gospel According to Q" linked above, there is a very definite religious flavor both to Q's Drops and to the fervor with which the Qvians adhere to its pronouncements. Religion is also a common theme in Trump's speeches and press conferences.


From Q's liberal use of Bible passages to the frequent inclusion of religious messages in much of the Qvian commentary, it is important to note this, as it is integral to my contention that Q is, or at least behaves as, a cult leader.


Not only does Q meet the first definition of "cult" above, but it also falls squarely under the third. The combination of the two is most disconcerting. It brings up connotations of the Queen of England, the King of Thailand, the Catholic Pope, or the Ayatollahs of Iran, who have both religious and political power. Not a comforting image for a secular nation like the US. These two "authorities" were purposely kept separate with good reason by the nation's founders.


That being said, the primary thrust of this article is to demonstrate how Q controls the narrative - and thus followers - within the Qniverse (my term for all things Q). Q is obviously softening followers to be activated on command. While it has been mostly benign to date, with 3,310 Drops, there is no reason to assume that it will remain so (see Q3077 ff.).


My thesis here is predicated on the repeated imperatives from Q to "use logic" and "use reason," or "look here, don't look there". Despite dozens of instances of Q literally ordering followers to do something, it is surprising how few apply critical thinking to this operation, especially when it comes to examining the language that Q uses.


In English grammar, when there is assumed subject of "you" and the verb is in the Simple present aspect, it is a command or imperative, such as "sit down" or "shut up". This is especially so when there are no modifying modals, such as would, could or should.


A primary reason Q - and other psy-ops - are so effective is that it subverts incredulity through the use of provable facts and "predictions" to lower resistance in the minds of followers and insert selected narratives and even false information into the individual's conscious thoughts. The follower then perceives the world through the installed prism, where only selected points of view filter through.


An example would be the way the Nazi Party in Germany used very real cultural and economic threats to inject Final Solutions that did not address the real problems, but scapegoated segments of the population that were then widely perceived to be the cause of suffering. Events such as the Reichtstag Fire and Kristalnacht are frequently cited examples.


We see similar currents in Trump rally crowds. Chants of "USA," "CNN Sucks," "Fake News," and so forth are clearly the result of group-think. Even if the individual is not disposed to violence, in a crowd of thousands, both the anonymity and the peer pressure can be overwhelming motivators.


In the case of Q, it has continually targeted media and the Democratic Party in the US. While the nation's real problem is social, moral and cultural decay, Q has successfully laid the burden on demographic groups that are symptomatic, rather than actual causes. The absence of invective against Republicans is telling, and there is never a third-party alternative mentioned. Q is not a broad-spectrum movement, but one narrowly focused on getting selected Republicans in office. Q is highly partisan and serves only to widen and deepen the left-right divide, not foster unity and common solutions.


We have seen this before far too many times.


This jingoism is evident in Q Drops and the extensive musings of the Qvians. At no point do they see the System itself as the problem, only select groups within it.


Issues such as the wildly ballooning public debt, or the massive flooding in the Midwest US and the coming inflation in food prices, or the morality of taxation. or the federal government's involvement in public education are completely ignored, though arguably more pressing than any of the issues highlighted in the Qniverse.


Public funding of grotesque "art" through the National Endowment for the Arts, or billions of dollars in hand-outs to nations that are philosophically anathema to US ideals are never mentioned. The rampant hiding of results from publicly-funded science and the mafia-like protection of Big Pharma and other industries don't rate a footnote with Q or among its followers.


Instead, we are treated to nearly non-stop haranguing of mass media, gleeful teasing of opposition politics, and ubiquitous flag waving and patriotic back-clapping.


In opposition to the long-standing American tradition of suspicion towards large, centralized government, Q is leading its followers to blind, unquestioning faith in it and the vainglorious hope - even faith - that the System can cure itself by administering more of what made it sick.


A perfect example of narrative control and redirection occurred during the government shut-down earlier this year. There was rampant buzz among the Qvians, fostered by Q, that Trump would use the opportunity to lay off hundreds of thousands of government employees, thus reducing the size of the federal government and draining the swamp in one fell swoop. Not only did it not materialize, not a single commentator that I monitor has mentioned it since then.


This is a classic case of the Edward Bernays model of Public Relations: use symbols and trigger words to evoke a specific set of emotional responses, then transfer them to whatever person, product or organization one chooses; then reinforce the transference by manipulating the symbols and triggers.


In the case of Q, followers are being told they are under direct and dire threat. Their families and property are being attacked, or will soon be. The resulting fear and "circle the wagons" instinct is then transferred to whatever target Q chooses - in this case, the media and Democrats, used almost interchangeably. The followers thus adhere to each other with a siege mentality for "protection" and begin to group-think. This response shuts off critical thinking and prevents contrary information from entering conscious thought.


While the threats may or may not be real, the emotional responses are real, and those responses are targeted wherever the central cult figure points its finger. We need look no further than Trump's Wall to see this in action.

Q has done nothing that any dedicated individual could not do. Q has published hundreds of links to articles, photos and videos in the public domain, something many of us regularly do on social media. The difference is that the links and messages are strung together with a provided context to form a narrative with a particular viewpoint.


In fact, all of the heavy lifting to reveal hidden documents and conspiracies has been done by Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch, by Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, and by dozens of nameless, faceless people who risked their well-being to get those documents into the public domain. Yet, the Qvians place all the glory at Q's feet, and Q does nothing to disabuse them of this undeserved adulation. It is my contention that this is exactly what Q's intention is.


By taking the glory for uncovering the corruption at the core of the System, Q not only disenfranchises those dong the real work, it also controls the context and interpretation of the information.


The process works like this: first, gain the attention and trust of a large number of followers; next, transfer that trust onto Donald Trump; finally, take credit for all positive developments and ignore the rest. No matter what happens, Trump is personally responsible for the perceived good, and the failures are shunted off on the Deep State, the Swamp and other shadowy enemies. Think Orwell's Goldstein in Nineteen Eighty-Four.


As I have clearly demonstrated in prior articles, Q is a technology - a particularly powerful one at that - which is in the possession of government agencies, specifically USOCOM and the GEC. We must ask ourselves, if Trump is re-elected and the pressure of campaigning is no longer a factor, what then? Furthermore, if Trump loses in 2020, or leaves in 2024, and someone else assumes the office, what will that person do with this technology? Control is only a matter of firing the right people and installing cronies.


We must assume that the opposition is well aware of Q, given the large body of media hit pieces out there, and they will surely have been thinking what they could do with such a tool. We must also assume that even if Q is publicly "revealed," we will likely not get the whole, or even true story. It is interesting to note that speculation of Q's Revelation closely mirrors the UFO Disclosure talk.


Q has shifted its narrative several times, and the Qvians unquestioningly follow the lead with nary a glance in the rear-view mirror. Q has already established an "infallibility doctrine" among a great many followers, and they work feverishly to prove every Q Pronouncement correct, rather than critically dissecting and examining the pieces, and especially holding Q to task for failures.


Q is by definition a cult. Its followers offer unquestioned credulity and allegiance, assume they know the identity of Q (commonly using the pronoun "he"), and relentlessly evangelize Q's message, and the message is a blend of religious and political ideologies. These are hallmarks of cults. The Qvians heap unearned praise on their unseen leader and its public manifestation in Donald Trump. They attribute all manner of victories and beneficence to Q, and wave away any failures and conflicting data with consensus apologetics. They produce and display objects of faith, such as hundreds of hours of video, clothing, stickers, banners, and so on. We have even seen the apotheosis of Trump as god-emperor.


It is one thing to hold harmless pep rallies, and quite another to hold torchlight processions. Can we honestly and naively assume that the movement before us will not devolve into the latter?


Behold the Qult.

[onawah]

So true!
"In fact, all of the heavy lifting to reveal hidden documents and conspiracies has been done by Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch, by Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, and by dozens of nameless, faceless people who risked their well-being to get those documents into the public domain. Yet, the Qvians place all the glory at Q's feet, and Q does nothing to disabuse them of this undeserved adulation. It is my contention that this is exactly what Q's intention is."


This blog article was recommended by Joseph Farrell and written by a friend of his, he has recommended them several times. I've got to say it is fairly close to my view of the situation, hence my posting of it :)
Perhaps my major concerns are the way the Q narrative is so tightly framed, little else is of concern to Q, and the divisiveness between right and left is a strong theme as well. I'll leave it to the article to fill readers in.

Behold the Qult. etc.

[ThePythonicCow]

So true!
"In fact, all of the heavy lifting to reveal hidden documents and conspiracies has been done by Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch, by Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, and by dozens of nameless, faceless people who risked their well-being to get those documents into the public domain. Yet, the Qvians place all the glory at Q's feet, and Q does nothing to disabuse them of this undeserved adulation. It is my contention that this is exactly what Q's intention is."
I will quite agree that the "heavy lifting" of investigating and exposing (and hopefully soon, to a greater degree, indicting and prosecuting) these crimes has been by those such as you list.

Q's job has been to engage more people into really noticing what was going on.

One cannot successfully indict, prosecute and convict powerful people, who have dominant control of the dominant news and social media, and of the legislative (House and Senate Democrats and RINO's), investigative (FBI), prosecutorial (DOJ), intelligence (CIA), and judicial (Federal Courts) branches of government, without first engaging millions of people sufficiently that they see the severity of the crimes committed and are outraged enough to effectively resist the Deep State's efforts to steam roll its preferred narrative over the populace.

Fitton, Assange and Q are all playing important roles in these proceedings, as is this modest little thread on Avalon, to a much smaller audience.

[KiwiElf]

To further add to what Paul has said above, the takedown is from the bottom of the pyramid up (very early Q posts).

The ones at the top, like Hussein, HRC, and above them, Soros etc, will probably be last.

The Q operation was/is primarily about exposing the political corruption globally. Expose to the public, educate then arrest. The idea being that the majority of the population will know the facts before then so it won't come as a huge shock.

(Even now, knowing what we know, imagine what would happen if HRC or Hussein were publicly arrested tomorrow? Or say Oprah or Spielberg? Half of America would be rioting. Sure, the balance has tipped, but it's got a long way to go yet). ;)

The fact that the fakestream media's viewership dropped to half of what it was when Barr released his summary of the Meuller Report is significant. That's HUGE.

When in our lifetimes, have we ever seen anything like the Q "Phenomenon"?

Sorry, but I trust my military contacts more than I trust the article provided by Latte (no offense to you Latte). ;)

We've heard this all before.

(And for the record, the "Plan" to take down the Deep State was made years before Trump,... or Q).

It's all about timing.

[ThePythonicCow]

To further add to what Paul has said above, the takedown is from the bottom of the pyramid up (very early Q posts).

The ones at the top, like Hussein, HRC, and above them, Soros etc, will probably be last.
The controlled demolition of a tall building, in a heavily built up urban environment, begins with careful planning, and then involves removing lots of secondary parts of the building, such as false ceilings and light walls, in order to expose the key structural members. Then on the big day, the public sees a controlled explosion that takes down the main part of the building, with as little damage as practical to surrounding structures. The people must know, ahead of time, enough of what is to come that they are not panicked.

Perhaps a similar order of events applies in this case.


The Q operation was/is primarily about exposing the political corruption globally.

Yes, globally. As an American my whole life, it's easy for me to forget this.

The increasingly corrupt and evil tentacles of the Imperial Anglo-American Empire reach into the far corners of the planet. They include trafficking in guns, drugs, humans and human body parts. They include trillions of dollars of "money laundering", moving money around in ways that are not as they seem, if they are seen at all.

These tentacles are now being trimmed back. For example, it is said that Jeb Bush, son of one President Bush and brother to another, withdrew surprisingly early from the 2016 U.S. Presidential race because his campaign funding from Saudi Arabia was cut off. This would have been a year before Trump even became President.

The sun is finally setting on the empires of Great Britain and of its offshoot, America. The sun is rising in the East (no, not literally.)

[waves]

(posted April 2).....Since QAnon hasn’t left any crumbs these past few days.........

The stall in Q posts has been speculated to be because the writers are having a dispute about what to post since the recent big mistake of Preying Medic obviously using Q as a personal weapon against flea bag site MagaCoalition who was outing his 'non-profit' deceptions.... which only illuminated them more.

I think any ignoring of this latest round of red flags as to who is authoring/profiteering from Q amounts to the same level of evidence ignoring dissonance and cultish behavior the Corey Goode saga was before the myth self-destructed and it's time to call this one out HARD. I was too timid for months to be the only person to go against literally everyone else fawning over Corey, I'm not doing that this time. I say it's time to quit tolerating this just as unhealthy Avalon cultishness before it becomes an even blacker mark on the rational thinking reputation Avalon likes to think it has.

For example, I was recently admonished to 'stop being intellectual' in this thread for asking reasonable questions and using deductive reasoning. It's cult behavior when group of people who believe a myth want a wall around themselves in a forum and treat people with disdain who are just putting evidence on the table like any other thread as if they are intruders.

In this first clip Issac Green is beyond incredulous at the clear evidence outing Medic. I think he's absolutely right and I find that the creepy deceptive energy in the Medic and Pamphlet videos is glaring if you're not spellbound. I don't think you want me to post another 50 videos saying the same thing with many people using terms like 'BUSTED' and 'Q just died'.... It's just denial and cultish behavior to refuse to look yourself and especially denial if your first inclination is to leap to fabricate excuses for inconvenient facts and ignore what's piling up.

ISAAC's INTRO: "#Qanon Attacks #MagaCoalition Two Days In A Row. Maga Coalition only has 500 subscribers on Youtube. What is #Q So Afraid of and why is he attacking this small GOP super pac? Behold, Praying Medic has a long history with Adam Gingrich, the president of MAGA Coalition. Medic's own personal animus has exposed himself as being behind the Q drops, using the #QAnon boards to attack Adam Gingrich's organization. Medic is the one that has problems, because his website states he is a non profit 'ministry' while lying and using his persona to post and 'decode' Q drops that he made himself. WooooWeeeeee the LARP has collapsed in real time thanks to greed, selfishness, and deceit."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOxMrGPEGk
Another detailed summary by Unirock including Pamphlet at 7:42:
"....The figure incorporates...well.. something called Q.......ya........an augmented reality game........ya.........Sound a little bit similar to what we're doing here?..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLFeCZzfTts
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I can see the validity of further discussion of the topics the Q LARP has pushed into the mainstream and the 'waking' it has influenced, but only with full acknowledgment of the LARP, no longer attributing it to a White House insider, and especially no longer putting the deceptive perpetrators of the LARP on pedestals.

[KiwiElf]

EDIT: For context, the above post #367 through to #370, were originally posted on the Main Q thread and moved to this thread. ;)

@ Waves
If I'm not mistaken, your above post #9365 belongs on either of the other two threads created for Opposing-Q discussions.

Are TWO threads opposing "Q" not big enough for you?

Again, you have to bring your dissenting POV to the main Q thread.

To even compare the Q movement - which is now global - to Corey Goode, is frankly laughable. He's a tiny, insignificant drop in the ocean.

Q posts when Q posts; there isn't a timetable or schedule for that. "Speculations" do not necessarily qualify as facts. We get enough of that from CNN and the rest of the fake news media.

The videos you posted are a dime-a-dozen on YT = clickbait for the Anti-Q brigade and considering YT's proven bias, hardly surprising. Old "fake news" (again, already debunked on this thread days ago - if you were paying as much attention to THIS thread instead of those hucksters, you'd already know that).

You and a few others claim "Q" is making money off this. Is there a PO Box, Paypal or Bank account or some other place we're completely unaware of, that is directly tied to this claim, ie Q themselves???? If so, what is it?

Praying Medic is Q? Forgive me while I ROFL. (Yeah, and I'm the real Batman!) As I said, debunked days ago. This moron needs to get a brain cell. (I'll even give you a little hint on this one: "Several days ago, Praying Medic cancelled his Twitter Account which was immediately ..." (FILL IN THE BLANK).

And please, a simple exercise; tell us all how "Q" (or your alleged LARP) would have access to the inside of AF1, pens & watches in the Oval Office of the White House (UNIQUE pictures)?

Don't you think for one second, if this was such a huge LARP, or the dangerous threat some claim it to be, that the Trump admin, Secret Service or some other entity concerned with National Security wouldn't have shut it down in a blink?


...I say it's time to quit tolerating this just as unhealthy Avalon cultishness before it becomes an even blacker mark on the rational thinking reputation Avalon likes to think it has.

YOU say. Do you have proof that Avalon is in any way being negatively impacted by having a Q Research thread? (apart from complaining, dissenting Q folks? - At 2,000+ views per day I seriously doubt that).


... but only with full acknowledgment of the LARP, no longer attributing it to a White House insider, and especially no longer putting the deceptive perpetrators of the LARP on pedestals.

Why? Because YOU don't personally agree with it? That comment demonstrates just how little you know about Q. (Perhaps we should start burning books as well)? That's not YOUR decision to make, nor do you irrefutably KNOW (or have yet to PROVE) that to be the case.

WE do not require or need YOUR "terms & conditions" of censorship; OR to be told how and what to think according to YOUR perspective or opinions of what is or isn't "the truth" just because YOU don't like it.

Your assertions & POV are beginning to sound remarkably like "Iris" being interviewed in this video - with about as much "proof" to go! (Starts @ 02:32 - 18:00). Perhaps you should join his/her organization.

No-one needs the Thought Police!

4XMdT2cF-ZM

WE can and DO think for ourselves, thanks.

That's what Q (and Avalon) is about. It's called "RESEARCH".

A bunch of biased, misinformed, debunked videos/articles don't cut it!

Sorry! :)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I say it's time to quit tolerating this just as unhealthy Avalon cultishness before it becomes an even blacker mark on the rational thinking reputation Avalon likes to think it has.

You're going to have to make a pretty convincing case that explains away an enormous amount of "coincidences" between Q posts and Trump's tweets, actions, and other news items. The Jussie Smollett thing was a recent verification of Q's intel, in that Q called the release of private conversations regarding the case before the case was even dropped by prosecutors. It goes on and on.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOxMrGPEGk

Good lord, this guy needs to collect his thoughts and organize the format of his videos before he turns the camera on and just starts rambling for an hour.

I just listened through half of that video, actually paying attention, and I cannot tell you what his argument is even supposed to be. Speaking of deductive reasoning, could you please take all of that mumbo jumbo and distill it into a coherent argument, please?

If the argument is that Q pointed out a scam by a group Sebastian Gorka was affiliated with, and an associated group had relatively few YouTube subscribers, therefore Q is fake, then I don't understand how that is supposed to be any form of reasoning. The guy rambling in the video above even admits that they have much more influence than their YouTube views would suggest, but I don't see how any of that has anything to do with anything anyway. Gorka regularly appears on MSM.

Instead of posting tons of videos like you just threatened to do, why not save everyone time and summarize their arguments succinctly? I'll never get back the half hour I just spent listening to garbled nonsense.

[Lost N Found]

And the waves just kept crashing against the rocks in monotony with a cacophony of noise with no rhym or reason.

[mountain_jim]

(posted April 2).....Since QAnon hasn’t left any crumbs these past few days.........

The stall in Q posts has been speculated to be because the writers are having a dispute about what to post since the recent big mistake of Preying Medic obviously using Q as a personal weapon against flea bag site MagaCoalition who was outing his 'non-profit' deceptions.... which only illuminated them more.

I think any ignoring of this latest round of red flags as to who is authoring/profiteering from Q amounts to the same level of evidence ignoring dissonance and cultish behavior the Corey Goode saga was before the myth self-destructed and it's time to call this one out HARD. I was too timid for months to be the only person to go against literally everyone else fawning over Corey, I'm not doing that this time. I say it's time to quit tolerating this just as unhealthy Avalon cultishness before it becomes an even blacker mark on the rational thinking reputation Avalon likes to think it has.


I can see the validity of further discussion of the topics the Q LARP has pushed into the mainstream and the 'waking' it has influenced, but only with full acknowledgment of the LARP, no longer attributing it to a White House insider, and especially no longer putting the deceptive perpetrators of the LARP on pedestals.

Everyone else fawning over Corey? I call BS.

In my view, and speaking of



evidence ignoring dissonance


anyone still clinging to the idea that Q is not a white house insider has not done enough research into this area...

At least while I am still allowed to express an (imho) informed view on this subject here at Avalon.


....

After being attacked for reposting Neon's graphic listing all the MSM Q-attackers by name and org -

Joe from StormIsUponUs has his idea of how to resolve the question (at least for him)

https://gab.com/media/image/bq-5ca6e80c6e29d.png
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In case you missed it in other thread, plenty of information pointing to the Maga Coalition being corrupt in this blog post, and not even by a Q-anon researcher.

Neon Revolt's blog and outing of the folks accusing Praying Medic of violence and targeting.

Also the MagaCoalition scam exposure work of Brian Cates got him doxxed and trashed by these same folks, when he is totally independent of the Q-anon movement.

One of these folks (Doug Stewart) was apparently also posting anti-Semitic memes and graphic images to 8-chan and then blaming them on the Q-anon movement, and broadcasting this smear on various MSM outlets.

(I am not 8-chan aware enough to determine if this outing is accurate, but suspect the anons there are correct about this.)

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2019/04/0...ad-neonrevolt/

more doxxing - I don't watch the Medic much these days but I do watch IPOT videos, and here's what he has to say about what's being done to Praying Medic.

https://gab.com/media/image/bq-5ca6e84eba53d.png

[waves]

If I'm not mistaken, your above post #9365 belongs on either of the other two threads created for Opposing-Q discussions.

Are TWO threads opposing "Q" not big enough for you? ...... Again, you have to bring your dissenting POV to the main Q thread.

Yes, my 'Q Revealed' was started to be free of the same unwelcome counter opinion intrusions you don't like but Paul (44 posts) and other quick Q-defenders just followed us there and none of them bothered to understand our OP content before contributing. The original intention quickly died because the spirit of the threads was killed as they flooded and derailed conversation, especially the Revealed thread.

But I see now that trying to create threads of separated opinion on a forum is futile. You can't be a controlling posting dictator toward people who are doing nothing wrong, and you can't leave instructions at a thread's door to only post if you have a certain opinion.

But there's something new and disturbing here regarding Q. Has there ever been this inflamed and vicious an effort at Avalon to alienate one whole faction of opinion out of a thread? I don't think so. You think we're ignoring your evidence and we think you're ignoring ours. But Q doubters here don't have the inflamed energy, the indignant defenders do.

Isn't super touchiness, angry intolerance, control freakiness and inability to welcome fair, level minded, open table discourse well known as qualities of an unhealthy cult?


To even compare the Q movement - which is now global - to Corey Goode, is frankly laughable. He's a tiny, insignificant drop in the ocean.

Did you even read what I said?? The point was NOT comparing Corey to Q, the point was comparing the cultish blind belief in and angry dismissal of questioners of Corey for so long. Once again, you completely missed my point and projected a self serving meaning to what I was trying to say.


"Speculations" do not necessarily qualify as facts.

Jeez, how much more petty and unhealthy does it get than to spend words trying to insinuate I really didn't mean my effort to fairly call something speculation.


The videos you posted are a dime-a-dozen on YT = clickbait for the Anti-Q brigade and considering their proven bias, hardly surprising. Old "fake news" (again, already debunked on this thread days ago - if you were paying as much attention to THIS thread instead of those hucksters, you'd already know that).

The content of two Q posts is not 'fake news', bias, clickbait or the rest of your distracting words... For that matter, your entire response avoided the main point of my post - the evidence against Medic as one of the Q authors.

https://i.postimg.cc/SRDf8HMC/3-25.jpg

Your inflamed post full of projections and ignoring the main point is exactly what I meant about a group at Avalon exhibiting very unhealthy fever pitch anger, projecting and righteousness in the act of defending a myth.

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Paul will set back and corral this response too, an option I didn't have in my thread when trying to escape the vitriolic defenders and keep the conversation grounded, focused, fair and open minded.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I don't think asking for a concise argument is vicious or angry intolerance.

I gave the guy in an above video you posted about half an hour to make a case, while I sat there and listened. He jumped around so much between so much irrelevant stuff, without making any argument that I could decipher whatsoever, that I figured listening to the last half hour would be equally disappointing.

You mentioned deductive reasoning earlier so I take it that you must have some kind of knowledge of philosophy or formal argumentation. All I'm asking for is a straightforward, evidenced argument as to how you have proven that Q is person x, y, or z.

Btw, I never believed Corey's story.

[mountain_jim]

Neon Revolt (so much drama) now proposing that Praying Medic is controlled opposition as part of the Maga Coalition (all too convoluted for me to worry about - quit watching PM long ago)

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2019/04/08/qanon-is-garbage-freetheboomers-how-about-arrestadamgingrich-gingrich_of_pa-instead-greatawakening-neonrevolt/




We know from previous drops and discussion that Microchip was working with Jack Posobiec when he first claimed he started QAnon. The goal was to scatter the Anons by spreading confusion and disinfo which would discourage us, and try to get us to throw up our hands in disgust and go home.

..

But… what if it wasn’t just these two, Microchip and Posobiec, colluding together?
What if they had financial backing by a third party?
Who could possibly fill that role?
Hmm… who could possibly act as a shady, corrupt organization who just happened to have tens of thousands of pre-laundered dollars on hand, and who was able to pay out cash, under-the-table?
(Big think time here, folks).

But I think you, dear reader, are catching my larger point here: Assuming the whole Microchip affair was something of a “soft scapegoating” operation, wherein they attempted to convince the masses that Q was not who he really said he was by finding a willing scapegoat to pose as Q… why not try it again with someone else?
Perhaps someone more prominent in the larger Q-community?
Someone with a very large following and a good reputation in the community, especially among the older QAnon followers out there (aka, the Boomers)?
Is it any coincidence now, that all these Anti-Q folks and supposedly pro-maga folks are now tweeting about #FreeTheBoomers?

…
Oh, don’t get me wrong; I pay attention to everything I can – but I don’t follow anyone in this movement by virtue of the simple fact that I simply don’t know who I can trust. I try to find the facts and reach my own conclusions, judging by the data I have available at my fingertips at any given time.
This is why, you’ll notice, I never personally attacked Praying Medic. I take no pleasure in having to “out” someone ostensibly on my side – and frankly, I hope I’m flat out wrong.
But what I did do is present the data points I’m seeing, and try to help you, the reader, understand how I reached my (tentative) conclusion.
And even if I am wrong about Medic being a willing participant in all this (again, I certainly hope I am), there’s no doubt in my mind that we are now witnessing secondary “scapegoating” operation being perpetrated by the same individuals who failed the first time they tried this kind of thing with that daft dimwit Microchip at the helm.



But then in Neon's GAB he posts this:



People need to take a moment and not jump to any conclusions about @PrayingMedic just because of my most article. My goal was not to condemn the man, or rile up the mob against him, but to raise awareness of some questions that have been circulating regarding recent circumstances.

I included @PrayingMedic's thread in there because I wanted to give him a chance to not only defend himself, but present his side of the story as well.

The simple fact is this: He may very well have good answers for every single issue I raised.

I'm still willing to hear him out.

You should be, too.





(posted April 2).....Since QAnon hasn’t left any crumbs these past few days.........

The stall in Q posts has been speculated to be because the writers are having a dispute about what to post since the recent big mistake of Preying Medic obviously using Q as a personal weapon against flea bag site MagaCoalition who was outing his 'non-profit' deceptions.... which only illuminated them more.



....

Neon Revolt's blog and outing of the folks accusing Praying Medic of violence and targeting.


One of these folks (Doug Stewart) was apparently also posting anti-Semitic memes and graphic images to 8-chan and then blaming them on the Q-anon movement, and broadcasting this smear on various MSM outlets.

(I am not 8-chan aware enough to determine if this outing is accurate, but suspect the anons there are correct about this.)

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2019/04/0...ad-neonrevolt/



Update - Neon Revolt admits errors in his assumptions and accusations about Doug Stewart and much more I have not had time to wade through but wanted this correction in this thread.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2019/04/08/qanon-is-garbage-freetheboomers-how-about-arrestadamgingrich-gingrich_of_pa-instead-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

I keep up with Neon Revolt for much good research and commentary, but his immaturity and personal insults in his writing do not strengthen his presentation, in my view.

with that said, more excerpts from this blog



Clandestine stuff is going on all the time, so if the White Hats were to lay a trap… it would make sense for them to do so like this.
And ALL OF THAT is to say… I’m in agreement with Anon. My own research seems to dovetail with Anon’s theory that Gorka really is /ourguy/.
So I wouldn’t worry too much about him in relation to MAGA Coalition. In fact, I got major Flynn/Flynn Intelligence Group vibes off Gorka when I was digging in to this. Recall how FIG was working in Turkey in order to, in all likelihood, catch the Obama administration in illicit dealings (which he later reported to Mueller, as part of the three separate investigations he was helping on). Gorka has his own intelligence agency dedicated to fighting the domestic threat of ISIS. He’s no stranger to that world. If there was anyone who could help expose a group… a group perhaps posing as a front for a foreign influence op run by International Intelligence agencies like, for instance, Mossad… It would seemingly be someone like Gorka.
But what about the others involved with MAGACo? Ann Vandersteel, Bill Mitchell, and Praying Medic?
Praying Medic, in particular, has been attacked relentlessly by all those on the side of MAGA Coalition, with all manner of ridiculous assertions leveled against him – such as Praying Medic actually being QAnon himself. We covered some of this in the previous article, but people like Travis View, Ginger McQueen (current treasurer of MAGA Coalition), and David Seaman (among many, many other usual suspects) were all synched in their attacks against Praying Medic, often repeating the same lines back and forth, such as “Praying Medic threatened people” when anyone with common sense could tell that he clearly didn’t.
It was just these #FreelanceScabs repeating the same lie, ad infinitum, and laundering information to form a facsimile of consensus.
You know, like they always do.

But I need to remind folks here of this drop from 10 days ago now, which really explains most, if not all, of what we’re seeing at play now:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/firefox_2019-04-08_19-01-29.png

…

So, in all this, I tend to think any attempts to link Praying Medic to the MAGA Coalition by way of John Kreuger or Carrie Lockhart are pretty frivolous and dishonest, at best. Kreuger/Lockhart and others left almost immediately as the org got underway. We’re talking mere days here, and they all left because it was immediately clear to them that Gingrich was up to no good.
Gingrich then, through some financial maneuvering, took control of the PAC and turned it into what it is today – an absolute mess with money problems out the wazoo that make it look like little more than a money-laundering front.
And in a rare deviation from his usual modus operandi Praying Medic actually took to twitter to address some of these concerns today:

…

And some of the Anti-Q scabs out there have hit upon this issue in recent days. And they’re right about this much: it is an issue, because they can’t find any real record of this organization legally existing, and neither can I.
(And to cover all possible bases here, I suppose there’s the remote possibility that some paperwork is still legally pending… but again, I think that’s a very remote possibility).
So what to make of all of this?
This… is the hard part, and something I’ve agonized about for days, because right now… I see no other real way around this, so I have to just come out and say it:
I think Praying Medic is working with the MAGA Coalition as part of a controlled opposition operation.
And before anyone freaks out and tunes out, please understand how much I hate to say something like this.
Think of how many times I’ve defended Praying Medic in the past – even just this past week.
I know saying something like this is, on its face, very controversial, and will likely cost me a lot…
But I have to go where the evidence leads me, and right now, I’m thinking this is the only logical conclusion to which the evidence points, as painful as it may be for some to hear.
And believe me; I’ve gone over this over and over in my head for the past few days, trying to work out every angle here, and this… this is the only one that makes any sense to me right now.

…

We’ve seen this play out exactly as Q has said over the past week – with the members of a corrupt PAC and their media cohorts waging a full-on assault against Praying Medic.
But what if Praying Medic were a willing participant in all that?
What if Praying Medic was just another Jerome #NoNeck Corsi lying in wait, attempting to co-opt the movement?
PM claims he cut off contact all in November of 2017 – just around the time QAnon was hitting the scene… but what if that’s a lie, and instead was being paid under-the-table by the MAGA Coalition to act as a sort of pied piper? His job would be to lay low, don’t say anything too cutting edge or controversial, and just… manipulate the masses not only to funding him this whole time, but lead them towards a final, terminal moment in the future?
What if Praying Medic agreed to be framed as QAnon, deny it at first, and then, come out later and “admit” it at a later date?
Let me back up for a moment and explain how I arrived at this conclusion.
We know from previous drops and discussion that Microchip was working with Jack Posobiec when he first claimed he started QAnon. The goal was to scatter the Anons by spreading confusion and disinfo which would discourage us, and try to get us to throw up our hands in disgust and go home.
That operation failed. See my old post here, for reference (and keep the title in mind):

( more at link)

[Matthew]

I'm out of touch and am surprised by this tweet from Dark Journalist:


Blue Chicken Cult Leader Corey Goode Falls Out of Sight as Corey's Kid Jordan Unravels in LARP Q Scandal Investigation...
Source: https://twitter.com/darkjournalist/status/1115303289350971394


Jordan Sather commented a reply:


Your controlled opposition is showing, Dork Journalist.

All for a LARP?!
Source: https://twitter.com/Jordan_Sather_/status/1115648959068823553


I've not been keeping up; can anyone help explain Dark Journalists tweet about how Sather is "unravelling in LARP Q Scandal Investigation"? I can't see anything else in the tweet comments except for this:


Sgt_Lincoln_Osiris
Jordan practically doxxed himself, along with Colman Rogers & I had a dream Praying Medic.. These are the Q tards in disguise. These are scam artist's taking money from you one drop at a time.

c_chanter
Thank you so much for providing the background details.

Sgt_Lincoln_Osiris
You're welcome, credit goes to red pill report & zero for bringing these grifters to the light.


..if this doesn't make sense to you either, my apologies! I have tried to ignore Jordan Sather's involvement in the Q movement, but it's all too intriguing.

But I don't understand. Can anyone help explain a bit more about this?


:confused:

[mountain_jim]

Praying Medic reply to Neon Revolt and other issue-takers here:

https://prayingmedic.com/2019/04/09/post-this-on-research-board/

[sms]

http://galaksija.is/images/do-nothing-q.jpg

(source: Caitlin Johnstone Warns Trump Supporters Are Hurting Assange With Their 4-D Chess Talk (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-14/caitlin-johnstone-warns-trump-supporters-are-hurting-assange-their-4-d-chess-talk))

[Praxis]

http://galaksija.is/images/do-nothing-q.jpg

(source: Caitlin Johnstone Warns Trump Supporters Are Hurting Assange With Their 4-D Chess Talk (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-14/caitlin-johnstone-warns-trump-supporters-are-hurting-assange-their-4-d-chess-talk))

THis a thousand times.

This is how simple it is:

Assange is fighting the deep state. Pure and simple.

Either Trump helps assange or does not. Not some stupid 4d chess. Like Pardon. Out in the open.

The Q MAGA people have their cake and eat it.

When trump was the underdog running, then you can play the he is weak card. But now that he had the office he is no longer the underdog and has actual power.

Either trump uses his power now to OVERTLY FIGHT the deep state by OVERTLY pardoning him or some other OVERT move, or Trump is actually the deep state.

Obama: Hope: : Trump : MAGA

All MAGA and Q people are rubes who fell for the exact same trick the DEMS fell for with Obama.

I leave you with a quote by Trump about his Friend Jefferey Epstein:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton

"Still, it’s clear that Trump’s association with Epstein runs deeper than just pool days at Mar-a-Lago.

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years,” Trump told New York Magazine in 2002. Calling him a “terrific guy,” Trump continued, “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

According to a 2003 profile in Vanity Fair and New York gossip rags that covered the goings-on of Epstein and his famous friends in the late ’90s, Trump would attend dinner parties at the 71st Street mansion. In April 1999, The Mail spotted Trump among the guests at a dinner Epstein threw in honor of Prince Andrew. In 2000, they reported he attended a “hookers and pimps” Halloween party. New York magazine reported Trump’s attendance at a 2003 dinner party thrown in honor of Bill Clinton. Magician David Blaine entertained the “barely clad models” with card tricks, but Clinton never appeared.

“I often see Donald Trump and there are loads of models coming and going, mostly at night,” a neighbor told The Mail on Sunday in 2000.

Then there is the black book, in which Epstein lists 14 phone numbers for Trump, including ones for his future wife Melania. Police evidence shows Trump has called Epstein, flown on Epstein’s plane, and eaten in Epstein’s Florida home.

Garten did not return a request for comment on these connections. "

[onawah]

Dark Journalist agrees
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http://galaksija.is/images/do-nothing-q.jpg

(source: Caitlin Johnstone Warns Trump Supporters Are Hurting Assange With Their 4-D Chess Talk (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-14/caitlin-johnstone-warns-trump-supporters-are-hurting-assange-their-4-d-chess-talk))

THis a thousand times.

This is how simple it is:

Assange is fighting the deep state. Pure and simple.

Either Trump helps Assange or does not. Not some stupid 4d chess. Like Pardon. Out in the open.

The Q MAGA people have their cake and eat it.

When trump was the underdog running, then you can play the he is weak card. But now that he had the office he is no longer the underdog and has actual power.

Either trump uses his power now to OVERTLY FIGHT the deep state by OVERTLY pardoning him or some other OVERT move, or Trump is actually the deep state.

[waree]

Q is definitely connected to Trump. No doubt about it. If anybody wants to undermine Q, this argument won't work period! (Too many proofs of Q and Trump connections)
The real question is whether all these are Trump and deep state's psyops. Does Trump work with TPTB to created this Q psyop? To what purpose? (As it exposed TPTB)

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/3509/products/FC_20160702_WORLDIF_MAILOUT_grande_a474a927-59ee-4a3f-8130-6524eac55297.jpg?v=1468593047

See Anonymous face in the Economist's cover? Is this Q? This cover were published before Trump were elected and before Q was first posted on 4CHAN. How do they know that this is coming? Is this TPTB's psyop or it is a predictive programming.

Me confused??? :o

[waree]

Another opinion on All these are psyops theory from Seething Frog. For me...I am not convince either way yet. :Avalon:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZx6CGMlmY&t=1524s

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Thanks Waree,

Certainly something to consider. I had recently began to suspect the possibility of what he is saying on my own. Don't want it to be true, but what we "want" and what is can often be different.

[Franny]

I kinda hate to say it but I have been in the psyop camp for a while. I had hoped there was some real 'hope and change' with Trump. When Q appeared I gave it some time to unfold, and wavered back and forth for a while, believing it was a psyop and hoping it was for the good of the country, but over time with more information I found myself thinking it was a negative psyop.

I don't know who or what Q is, it may well be a military/NSA operation that started as a LARP as one idea that has been tossed about. We don't know for sure and may never know.

As Q has said, misinformation is necessary, and it looks increasingly like that misinformation is used against all of us. I hope it's not true but that's how it looks from where I stand.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I kinda hate to say it but I have been in the psyop camp for a while. I had hoped there was some real 'hope and change' with Trump. When Q appeared I gave it some time to unfold, and wavered back and forth for a while, believing it was a psyop and hoping it was for the good of the country, but over time with more information I found myself thinking it was a negative psyop.

You have to go back to 2015 to see the roots of what is happening now.


In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA

Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter five-year-old civil war.

The fighting has intensified over the last two months, as CIA-armed units and Pentagon-armed ones have repeatedly shot at each other while maneuvering through contested territory on the northern outskirts of Aleppo, U.S. officials and rebel leaders have confirmed.

In mid-February, a CIA-armed militia called Fursan al Haq, or Knights of Righteousness, was run out of the town of Marea, about 20 miles north of Aleppo, by Pentagon-backed Syrian Democratic Forces moving in from Kurdish-controlled areas to the east.

https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html


If all sides were working together the whole time, they'd have no need to instigate all of this nonsense and generate so much social upheaval over the past two or three years. All they would have had to have done was continue quietly leading us to the slaughter. But that's not what happened, and it's still not what's happening.

Do you think people like John Brennan and James Clapper are going on Mockingbird media networks and freaking out just for show, or that AG Barr is essentially accusing them of political espionage just as a distraction? For what purpose, if they are all actually working together? Both sides have goals here, not just flying by the seat of their pants, and the goals aren't the same. People like Brennan and Clapper are fighting for their lives right now.


I had recently began to suspect the possibility of what he is saying on my own. Don't want it to be true, but what we "want" and what is can often be different.

The guy in the video says his "proof" that nothing will happen is that thousands of Hillary's incriminating emails have been in public domain for a while now and nothing has been done yet, so nothing will ever be done. That's not actually a logical argument, not to mention that we already know that Huber, the IG, and various other investigations have already been ongoing for some time and we know those will resurface at some point.

The Mueller team was hunting shadows for something like two years before their report was finally concluded. Investigations of this scale take time. What the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton State Department did extends so far beyond Hillary herself that a public airing of the information will oblige many foreign countries to investigate their own politicians for complicity, which is liable to cause a lot of unrest just in itself. The whole thing is just not a trivial affair that can be handled as quickly as a speeding ticket or even the OJ Simpson case.

[Franny]

It's possible there are many psyops running.

I hope you're right.

[KiwiElf]

It's possible there are many psyops running.

I hope you're right.

Yes, there are indeed; The Q movement is primarily concerned with exposing global corruption in governments (the political aspect), the key focus being a re-education (awakening) of the public; emphasis being they must find this out (the truth) for themselves first.

Q is merely showing us where to dig, where to look.

(Because of the overlapping and interconnected tendrils of the Deep State - in EVERY country - this will expose child trafficking - corrupt Heads of State, the crooked global banking system, media, religions, etc).

In other words, the exposure of the "Deep State" in all its forms.

It should be fairly obvious by now that this is already happening.

The Anonymous Group is another. (The inspiration for this group being "V for Vendetta") ;)

KKvvOFIHs4k

Notice the similarities and compare to real world events happening now, USA, UK, France, more recently in Sudan ... The people are taking back their power.

Yellow vests etc. (Would you believe the Yellow Vest movement is now in NZ? No MSM coverage at all. Nada. Zip). There are others operating in a more clandestine manner).

The objective of all these groups, although separate, are working for a common cause (converging). That is:

Exposure/Disclosure

(not just the ET situation either although this is the biggy; as long as the Deep State(s), remain, the ET situation and the suppressed technology that goes with it, cannot easily move forward). ;)

When the dust has settled (in a few years), it will be a "New World" - NOT a "NWO". ;)

It's already started.

[KiwiElf]

http://galaksija.is/images/do-nothing-q.jpg

(source: Caitlin Johnstone Warns Trump Supporters Are Hurting Assange With Their 4-D Chess Talk (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-14/caitlin-johnstone-warns-trump-supporters-are-hurting-assange-their-4-d-chess-talk))

Stated on another thread, at no time has Q or MAGA/Trump supporters said "Do nothing!" - Fake news, Fake meme. "Be careful who you follow".

(objective research - comparing BOTH sides of the story - and using your own discernment is doing "something") ;)

[Ratszinger]

I kinda hate to say it but I have been in the psyop camp for a while. I had hoped there was some real 'hope and change' with Trump. When Q appeared I gave it some time to unfold, and wavered back and forth for a while, believing it was a psyop and hoping it was for the good of the country, but over time with more information I found myself thinking it was a negative psyop.

You have to go back to 2015 to see the roots of what is happening now.


In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA

Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter five-year-old civil war.

The fighting has intensified over the last two months, as CIA-armed units and Pentagon-armed ones have repeatedly shot at each other while maneuvering through contested territory on the northern outskirts of Aleppo, U.S. officials and rebel leaders have confirmed.

In mid-February, a CIA-armed militia called Fursan al Haq, or Knights of Righteousness, was run out of the town of Marea, about 20 miles north of Aleppo, by Pentagon-backed Syrian Democratic Forces moving in from Kurdish-controlled areas to the east.

https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html


If all sides were working together the whole time, they'd have no need to instigate all of this nonsense and generate so much social upheaval over the past two or three years. All they would have had to have done was continue quietly leading us to the slaughter. But that's not what happened, and it's still not what's happening.

Do you think people like John Brennan and James Clapper are going on Mockingbird media networks and freaking out just for show, or that AG Barr is essentially accusing them of political espionage just as a distraction? For what purpose, if they are all actually working together? Both sides have goals here, not just flying by the seat of their pants, and the goals aren't the same. People like Brennan and Clapper are fighting for their lives right now.


I had recently began to suspect the possibility of what he is saying on my own. Don't want it to be true, but what we "want" and what is can often be different.

The guy in the video says his "proof" that nothing will happen is that thousands of Hillary's incriminating emails have been in public domain for a while now and nothing has been done yet, so nothing will ever be done. That's not actually a logical argument, not to mention that we already know that Huber, the IG, and various other investigations have already been ongoing for some time and we know those will resurface at some point.

The Mueller team was hunting shadows for something like two years before their report was finally concluded. Investigations of this scale take time. What the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton State Department did extends so far beyond Hillary herself that a public airing of the information will oblige many foreign countries to investigate their own politicians for complicity, which is liable to cause a lot of unrest just in itself. The whole thing is just not a trivial affair that can be handled as quickly as a speeding ticket or even the OJ Simpson case.

It does appear that the leftists are attempting with some success in creating the image in the public mind that the left is supposed to turn a blind eye to the "To them obvious short fallings in the Mueller report regarding Trump and obstruction" so it will be easier to justify letting the Hillary mob slide off without any charges for their shortfallings under the same guise with that unwritten we'll overlook your faults if you overlook ours and we'll all agree to nail Stone and Assange in the meantime for the Russian interference in the election to give the incompetent masses something to chew on. Could it be a stalemate?

I remind again that the Vatican is still getting all the money in the end. All our tax revenue and more goes to the UK and all of that plus all of theirs to the Vatican according to Karen Hudes and she would know. Austin Fitts has said similar things so I think if they still exist the entire idea of it being anything other than a psyop on some level is a long shot. Someone behind it does have an agenda. It remains to be seen if it truly is something good for anyone other than the Rich once more that run the planet like its their own piggy bank. In fact it could be argued the USA is nothing more or less than a huge money laundering tool for this class. It looks that way to some of us anyway.

[onawah]

Waves, you just have to...stop making sense :nod:
KoI7A07jJ1E



For example, I was recently admonished to 'stop being intellectual' in this thread for asking reasonable questions and using deductive reasoning. It's cult behavior when group of people who believe a myth want a wall around themselves in a forum and treat people with disdain who are just putting evidence on the table like any other thread as if they are intruders.

[KiwiElf]

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years,” Trump told New York Magazine in 2002. Calling him a “terrific guy,” Trump continued, “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

According to a 2003 profile in Vanity Fair and New York gossip rags that covered the goings-on of Epstein and his famous friends in the late ’90s, Trump would attend dinner parties at the 71st Street mansion. In April 1999, The Mail spotted Trump among the guests at a dinner Epstein threw in honor of Prince Andrew. In 2000, they reported he attended a “hookers and pimps” Halloween party. New York magazine reported Trump’s attendance at a 2003 dinner party thrown in honor of Bill Clinton. Magician David Blaine entertained the “barely clad models” with card tricks, but Clinton never appeared.

“I often see Donald Trump and there are loads of models coming and going, mostly at night,” a neighbor told The Mail on Sunday in 2000.

Then there is the black book, in which Epstein lists 14 phone numbers for Trump, including ones for his future wife Melania. Police evidence shows Trump has called Epstein, flown on Epstein’s plane, and eaten in Epstein’s Florida home.

Garten did not return a request for comment on these connections. "

Yes, that's called "Guilt by association". 2003 ... gossip rags? Past tense - 16 years ago. Are they "friends" today? Recently??? Epsteins' "tendencies" have only been bought to the greater public light in the last couple of years, thanks to Q.

Do you really think Epstein would tell Trump this 16 years ago? (Not that Trump would have had access to that information, as he would do now). So, Trump loved a lot of beautiful women ... models ... no big surprise. He WAS a playboy... So what? Is that a crime?

Does flying on Epstein's plane automatically make you a Pedophile? :facepalm:

Tell me Praxis, do you know any Pedo's? Rapists? Crooks? Drug dealers? Of course not, because unless you're actually involved in those practices, it's unlikely they'd tell you. But unknowingly, you might do. (And if you, or anyone else, is suggesting Trump was or is, show us the proof? Without it, that's pretty slanderous/libelous).

One of my closest friends I grew up with was arrested a few years ago for ripping off hundreds of people on an "investment scam" to the tune of millions. (He was a "legal investment consultant"). I had no idea about it until I read it in the media and he ended up in jail! (And I could have just as easily been one of his targets except I probably wasn't rich enough). ;) We're talking "friends" of his, some of them pensioners who were long time friends of HIS parents, who unwittingly handed over their life savings in the belief that he would "take financial care of them".

Now released from prison, those victims he ripped off, will never see their money returned, while he lives in an expensive house, drives a Porsche and lives a luxurious lifestyle better than his victims had.

I don't really care when I say this; he is a complete psychopathic, greedy, narcissistic prick.

While he didn't hurt me, should I stay friends with him? Will I be "tarred with the same brush?" Associated with HIS crimes?

Yes; stupid people might do that. "Gossipers".

In all good conscience, I said "bye bye".

Let that sink in.

[Ratszinger]

Not that I defend a stance saying anyone is guilty of anything without evidence I will say some deductive reasoning is acceptable. For example if someone flies on Epstein's plane it should not automatically make them guilty by association, however what about when someone say, someone with an already shaky background regarding sexual predator behavior flies on his plane oh, 27 or 28 times? Are we allowed some leeway then? I would hope so.

Both Trump and Clinton along with Epstein all do have some history of women accusing them of at the very least unwanted sexual advances. I do recall seeing something about a minor child and a rape charge or accusation against Trump going around in the election campaign also but the point isn't that these things are true it's that you can find that they are indeed true with people that the are frequently seen with. Do we ignore this?

Guilty buy association is wrong I agree but at times it does appear that the writing is on the wall. When you can cross reference other history with reference to sexual deviant behavior and then see multiple trips on a known pedo's plane well? In his defense there is enough there to really suspect there is some hanky panky going on. Just saying.

[KiwiElf]

Hmmmmmm ... "writing on the wall" ... there "must be some hanky panky going on?"
So, by your "deductive reasoning", if you travel with a gay friend, that you KNOW is gay, 27 or 28 times in their car, - even if your'e a shady womaniser - MUST also make you gay? :idea:

Fascinating! I didn't realise such tendencies were catchy. ;)

(try putting the shoe on the other foot)

I'm relieved you're not a cop! :sherlock: (Just saying) :)

:focus:

[Ratszinger]

Hmmmmmm ... "writing on the wall" ... there "must be some hanky panky going on?"
So, by your "deductive reasoning", if you travel with a gay friend, that you KNOW is gay, 27 or 28 times in their car, - even if your'e a shady womaniser - MUST also make you gay? :idea:

Fascinating! I didn't realise such tendencies were catchy. ;)

(try putting the shoe on the other foot)

I'm relieved you're not a cop! :sherlock: (Just saying) :)

I don't understand why you want to create a situation where you condemn someone for pointing out that if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and flies like a duck it's probably a duck. What you seem to be suggesting is that people just turn a blind eye to the obvious and remain stupid when it's apparent that 2+2=4 to the the rest of us. Maybe you can't put those together but more often than not these people do end up being guilty in some regard when all these other factors add up. Are you going to stand there and tell us that you gave Bill Clinton the benefit of the doubt that he was Epstien's plane 27 times simply for business or can you actually see the writing on the wall but you just ignore it? At the least it's worth pointing out what appears to be obvious so a watch can be placed on these people. And by the way no one is talking about Joe Blow here off the street so stop bringing average Joe into this. These are public people we are dealing with that should be scrutinized and you seem to want to lump the way people treat average joe in with how they treat public political or other figures in the public eye and people do not treat them the same.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

More from Seething Frog. I also put this on: Trump is not the answer thread. (Mod do what you think is best)

His take is that whether Q is or isn't a LARP, Q woke many up and that's important. (Which I have agreed with from beginning). Of course, I'd be thrilled with and hold a space for the reality of Q. But if not, it served an amazingly positive purpose.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL1Btz5f9e4

[Matthew]

Q is definitely connected to Trump. No doubt about it. If anybody wants to undermine Q, this argument won't work period! (Too many proofs of Q and Trump connections)
The real question is whether all these are Trump and deep state's psyops. Does Trump work with TPTB to created this Q psyop? To what purpose? (As it exposed TPTB)

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/3509/products/FC_20160702_WORLDIF_MAILOUT_grande_a474a927-59ee-4a3f-8130-6524eac55297.jpg?v=1468593047

See Anonymous face in the Economist's cover? Is this Q? This cover were published before Trump were elected and before Q was first posted on 4CHAN. How do they know that this is coming? Is this TPTB's psyop or it is a predictive programming.

Me confused??? :o

Hi waree :) I'd like to clarify one thing here for the thread: Anonymous wasn't born from Q Anon, Anonymous have been a thing for years and years already, Q Anon being only one of a few offshoots from 4 and 8 chan (etc) that have become main stream news worthy; other offshoots include the war against Scientology and LulzSec. From the words on the cover I imagine the magazine is talking more about LulzSec than Q Anon .... I'm only guessing and working with what I have, but considering other Anonymous initiatives, and the reference to hacking this makes sense to me

[waree]

Hi waree :) I'd like to clarify one thing here for the thread: Anonymous wasn't born from Q Anon, Anonymous have been a thing for years and years already, Q Anon being only one of a few offshoots from 4 and 8 chan (etc) that have become main stream news worthy; other offshoots include the war against Scientology and LulzSec. From the words on the cover I imagine the magazine is talking more about LulzSec than Q Anon .... I'm only guessing and working with what I have, but considering other Anonymous initiatives, and the reference to hacking this makes sense to me

Thanks! I knew that Anonymous is not QAnon, but the fact that they know that the anonymous like QAnon will be active after Trump election plus they also know that North Korean regime will collapsed (well not collapsed, but yield to Trump). That's kind of spooky and made me doubt if I am duped into all their plan or not.

https://steemitimages.com/640x0/https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmNmAoJpr7bBSPfTTuy45Fii4FDz7iXEjTQTLxpMqYgVYX/image.png

And look! Is that Hermit card on the 2017 Economist cover the YELLOW VEST??!! :flame: :happy dog:

[KiwiElf]

Hope you cross post this (your above post) on the main Q thread, waree - it's quite significant (yellow vests), as is that whole Economist Cover ;) :thumbsup:

As mentioned in my earlier post (#386 above), there are several "groups/operations" (or psyops) running parallel with Q, "Anonymous", etc. Here is another:

https://twitter.com/TS_SCI_MAJIC12

[Matthew]

The Economist covers sure are spooky. They know Anonymous are going to be around because Anons have been a growing disruptive influence for at least a decade. Old media gasp in shock and awe as image boards, typically 4chan, show their dominance and prove they are the final boss of the internet.

Here's an article from 2011 that talks about some of their raids from around that time, and chan culture:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2011/09/05/march-of-the-trolls-and-hacktivists/#171bc9a5751f

[waree]

Hope you cross post this (your above post) on the main Q thread, waree - it's quite significant (yellow vests), as is that whole Economist Cover ;) :thumbsup:

As mentioned in my earlier post (#386 above), there are several "groups/operations" (or psyops) running parallel with Q, "Anonymous", etc. Here is another:

https://twitter.com/TS_SCI_MAJIC12


Thanks. I hope you are right. A lot of good things are happening... so I may be Trump and Q are who they say they are! ..coming to save us and all... :happythumbsup:

[waree]

The Economist covers sure are spooky. They know Anonymous are going to be around because Anons have been a growing disruptive influence for at least a decade. Old media gasp in shock and awe as image boards, typically 4chan, show their dominance and prove they are the final boss of the internet.

Here's an article from 2011 that talks about some of their raids from around that time, and chan culture:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2011/09/05/march-of-the-trolls-and-hacktivists/#171bc9a5751f

Yep... Hope you are right... One other big thing is Q's the Brave New World post. Do you have the explanation for that? :sherlock: Any Idea? :idea:

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: ebc49e No.3783812 📁
Nov 7 2018 13:12:06 (EST)
We are going to show you a new world.
Those who are blind will soon see the light.
A beautiful brave new world lies ahead.
We take this journey together.
One step at a time.
WWG1WGA!
Q

[Matthew]

I can not explain that, and it's the first time I've seen it. But it doesn't sparkle with me.

Reminds me of the Q Anon ‘Profiteering post’ (April 29 2018 10:11:22 (EST) ) “Be careful who you are following. Some are profiting off this movement. …”

Thank you waree!

[KiwiElf]

Hope you cross post this (your above post) on the main Q thread, waree - it's quite significant (yellow vests), as is that whole Economist Cover ;) :thumbsup:

As mentioned in my earlier post (#386 above), there are several "groups/operations" (or psyops) running parallel with Q, "Anonymous", etc. Here is another:

https://twitter.com/TS_SCI_MAJIC12


Thanks. I hope you are right. A lot of good things are happening... so I may be Trump and Q are who they say they are! ..coming to save us and all... :happythumbsup:

More a case of showing us how to save ourselves ;)

[waree]

Hope you cross post this (your above post) on the main Q thread, waree - it's quite significant (yellow vests), as is that whole Economist Cover ;) :thumbsup:

As mentioned in my earlier post (#386 above), there are several "groups/operations" (or psyops) running parallel with Q, "Anonymous", etc. Here is another:

https://twitter.com/TS_SCI_MAJIC12


Thanks. I hope you are right. A lot of good things are happening... so I may be Trump and Q are who they say they are! ..coming to save us and all... :happythumbsup:

More a case of showing us how to save ourselves ;)

Nice! I think so... :beer:

[Matthew]

Does this ring any alarm bells for anyone else?


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: ebc49e No.3783812 📁
Nov 7 2018 13:12:06 (EST)
We are going to show you a new world.
Those who are blind will soon see the light.
A beautiful brave new world lies ahead.
We take this journey together.
One step at a time.
WWG1WGA!
Q

[waree]

Does this ring any alarm bells for anyone else?


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: ebc49e No.3783812 📁
Nov 7 2018 13:12:06 (EST)
We are going to show you a new world.
Those who are blind will soon see the light.
A beautiful brave new world lies ahead.
We take this journey together.
One step at a time.
WWG1WGA!
Q

Yes. I listened to many youtubers. They all think this is creepy. But I guess we can just keep our fingers cross and hope that this is a misunderstanding or may be Q was hacked! What else can it be, but Aldous Huxley's Brave New World!!??? :scared:

[KiwiElf]

Does this ring any alarm bells for anyone else?


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: ebc49e No.3783812 📁
Nov 7 2018 13:12:06 (EST)
We are going to show you a new world.
Those who are blind will soon see the light.
A beautiful brave new world lies ahead.
We take this journey together.
One step at a time.
WWG1WGA!
Q

Nop, not at all. (If it had come from George Bush or HRC, yes, for sure. Bush Senior stated "this will be a New World Order" several times during his presidency).

Of course, it's open to interpretation; look at the whole thing rather than just one line, or even one Q post (out of context), not to mention dozens of other Q posts which expand on the meaning.

That aside, I prefer, "A beautiful brave new world lies ahead" over a "New World Order". But then I'm not inclined towards "the sky is falling" mentality or innuendo. Which do you prefer? (Be careful what you wish for ... or focus on). ;)

About the same difference between "Immigrants" and "Illegal Immigrants".

[waree]

Does this ring any alarm bells for anyone else?


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: ebc49e No.3783812 📁
Nov 7 2018 13:12:06 (EST)
We are going to show you a new world.
Those who are blind will soon see the light.
A beautiful brave new world lies ahead.
We take this journey together.
One step at a time.
WWG1WGA!
Q

Nop, not at all. (If it had come from George Bush or HRC, yes, for sure. Bush Senior stated "this will be a New World Order" several times during his presidency).

Of course, it's open to interpretation; look at the whole thing rather than just one line, or even one Q post (out of context), not to mention dozens of other Q posts which expand on the meaning.

That aside, I prefer, "A beautiful brave new world lies ahead" over a "New World Order". But then I'm not inclined towards "the sky is falling" mentality or innuendo. Which do you prefer? (Be careful what you wish for ... or focus on). ;)

About the same difference between "Immigrants" and "Illegal Immigrants".

yup yup... :usa2: probably so... :highfive:

[Bill Ryan]

Posting this for informational purposes, without comment.

David Icke | QAnon is a Psyop


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTvPyzDzDWI

[norman]

HAH . . . the cavalry is all of us. We can't turn this around without the executive branch and the executive branch can't turn this around without us.

The "PSYOP" is there to keep us on the same page, to get it done.


A note: Q did not say anyone would be in Gitmo in January. That little mic jockey was being a prat.

[Praxis]

Posting this for informational purposes, without comment.

David Icke | QAnon is a Psyop


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTvPyzDzDWI

I am honestly surprised and saddened that you would post a video of this nature.

Dont hide behind, "this is informational post". You clearly find something compelling enough to share and here we are otherwise you would have watched the video and let it pass.

The video you shared has two parts. One that is relevant to this thread and conversation and the other does not as is being used as slander .

Bill, you effectively just shared a video that is using Icke's ideas about shapeshifting reptilians as a way to smear his opinions about Qanon.

So instead of debate aspects of why Q anon could or could not be real, you are going with the old "he has what we deem to be bonkers ideas in area X so his ideas about area Y must also be bonkers. "

That video, unless I completely misunderstood its content and intent, was trying to paint him as a loony because his beliefs in one area is contrary to the Qult.

WOW. I am utterly shocked that you would share and support such a video of such low quality and effort.

[ThePythonicCow]

David Icke | QAnon is a Psyop
The original February 2019 interview, from which these comments by David Icke on Qanon were taken, can be found in Gaia's post at The "other" Q thread -- Post #8617 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1277021&viewfull=1#post1277021)

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, you effectively just shared a video that is using Icke's ideas about shapeshifting reptilians as a way to smear his opinions about Qanon.


No, I didn't. :)

[Praxis]

Bill, you effectively just shared a video that is using Icke's ideas about shapeshifting reptilians as a way to smear his opinions about Qanon.


No, I didn't. :)

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of the video you shared?The author of the video had a purpose for making it, what do you hazard it might have been/is?

Do you truly believe they were pro ICKE people that were just trying to share two of Ickes ideas so that other icke fans, and even non fans I guess, could know how he feels about these two topics?

or are you saying you didnt in fact post the video?

[Bill Ryan]

or are you saying you didnt in fact post the video?

I'm saying it says a lot more about Roosevelt Media News (who made the video to try to discredit David Icke's opinion) than David Icke.

For anyone who knows David and his work, that video rather backfires. :) I know him personally, and he's rarely wrong about anything at all.

[Gaia]

And the grifters are: https://elemifuentes.com/2019/03/26/qanon-the-qult-and-the-legend-part-7-1/

[Bill Ryan]

This ongoing series, by internet journalist Elemi Fuentes, is long, detailed, intelligent, and interesting.

Recommended for any students of the Q phenomenon who may wish to dig just a little deeper into the complex background and history.

The sheer number of references and screenshots (a huge quantity!) make it impossible to copy and paste here.


Qanon: the Qult and the Legend – Part 1 (https://elemifuentes.com/2019/01/27/qanon-the-qult-and-the-legend-part-1/)
Qanon: the Qult and the Legend – Part 2 (https://elemifuentes.com/2019/01/28/qanon-the-qult-and-the-legend-part-2/)
Qanon: the Qult and the Legend – Part 3 (https://elemifuentes.com/2019/01/29/qanon-the-qult-and-the-legend-part-3/)
Qanon: the Qult and the Legend – Part 4 (https://elemifuentes.com/2019/01/31/qanon-the-qult-and-the-legend-part-4/)
Qanon: the Qult and the Legend – Part 5 (https://elemifuentes.com/2019/02/13/qanon-the-qult-and-the-legend-part-5/)
Qanon: the Qult and the Legend – Part 6 (https://elemifuentes.com/2019/02/22/qanon-the-qult-and-the-legend-part-6/)
Qanon: the Qult and the Legend – Part 7.1 (https://elemifuentes.com/2019/03/26/qanon-the-qult-and-the-legend-part-7-1/)

[AutumnW]

Avalon appears to be supporting a hoax by using the default mode of 'free speech.' What is nauseating about this is Q actively supports the elite who would like nothing better than to suppress free speech. The hoaxers behind Q also actively promote a war with Iran, don't mind cozying up to the criminal Netanyahoo administration, etc...What comes to mind is the simple, "forgive them Lord as they know not what they do." Not bad people just blisteringly naive.

[T Smith]

Avalon appears to be supporting a hoax by using the default mode of 'free speech.' What is nauseating about this is Q actively supports the elite who would like nothing better than to suppress free speech. The hoaxers behind Q also actively promote a war with Iran, don't mind cozying up to the criminal Netanyahoo administration, etc...What comes to mind is the simple, "forgive them Lord as they know not what they do." Not bad people just blisteringly naive.

Because we are having this discussion does not mean Avalon is supporting a hoax.

It means Avalon is supporting a discussion whether or not Q is a hoax. Surely you can discern the difference?

[Bill Ryan]

Avalon appears to be supporting a hoax by using the default mode of 'free speech.' What is nauseating about this is Q actively supports the elite who would like nothing better than to suppress free speech. The hoaxers behind Q also actively promote a war with Iran, don't mind cozying up to the criminal Netanyahoo administration, etc...What comes to mind is the simple, "forgive them Lord as they know not what they do." Not bad people just blisteringly naive.

Because we are having this discussion does not mean Avalon is supporting a hoax.

It means Avalon is supporting a discussion whether or not Q is a hoax. Surely you can discern the difference?

Yes. We have to be very careful with words here. And I want to be careful with this reply. :flower:

As can be seen from the 'Q' poll (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/poll.php?pollid=16906&do=showresults), not one of the current moderators' team is a proponent of the 'Q' material. So that may say something about 'Avalon's position'.

Rather, we've [largely] chosen not to get involved in any mudfight, which I feel is wise.

As is no secret, I personally don't believe 'Q' is credible. But I am wholly supportive of the entire affair (including the ongoing 'Q drops') being freely discussed. I think that's important, and have never held otherwise.

My stance is that in the end the truth will almost certainly come to the surface about the undeniable provenance of the 'Q' material, which may be complex with a number of handed-down ownerships.

But before we're in a place where all of us are looking at and agreeing on all the same information, we may have to be patient for a little longer — and if one's not a diehard 'Q' supporter, maybe just observe, and simply let it all play out.

[AutumnW]

https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-trump-conspiracy-monger-qanon-calls-for-regime-change-in-iran/244686/

Summary below:

Martin asserted that the recent QAnon posts seem to be aimed at preparing Trump’s base for a war they would normally not accept. He told MintPress:

QAnon appears to be slowly grooming millions of people on the internet who had normally been skeptical of pro-government narratives in the past to ‘trust the plan’ — aka trust everything Donald Trump is doing including hiring dangerous neocons who want to overthrow the government of Iran.”

Given QAnon’s foray into fostering support for regime change abroad, the recognition of the phenomenon as a psyop that preys on the wishes and emotions that Trump as a candidate cultivated in his supporters seems inevitable, particularly as it has begun claiming that all concerns over a looming war should be ignored. Instead, Q urges followers to “trust the plan.”

=====================================================

The truth will likely come out...eventually. In the meantime, Avalon, by providing a platform for public viewing of the pro Q thread, without putting it behind an opt in wall of some sort....is part of the problem. Your stance is NOT neutral as long as you allow this to go on, refer to those who want to counter a hoax as "engaging in a mudfight" etc...That is profoundly unfair, unwise and a turn off to potential new members who see comments like that, become turned off and leave.

The Q thread continues to remain at the very top of the new posts page because zealots are more committed to their imaginations and emotions than clarity of thought.

It's fanaticism and extremism and profoundly lazy thinking that others on the forum are trying to counter. It gets really tough. I don't enjoy this AT ALL but feel compelled to do what I can to make a positive difference here.

With respect. Autumn

[waree]

I want this thread and Q thread to coexist in the Avalon. That shows how advance in the evolution process the people in here really are. :bigsmile: Peace!

[AutumnW]

The problem, Warree, is energy. Those who are emotional extremists are highly susceptible to being duped, getting all jazzed about it. They overpower forums because they believe they have "seen the light." I can't compete on my own here and most of the antiQ crowd has left. This is how these duping programs work. They over power any dissent and dissenters end up disillusioned and leave forums.

This will be the eventual outcome here, I am afraid.

The Q anon phenomenon encourages Narcissistic thinking. Followers believe they are special, have inside knowledge etc... They're like Jehovah's Witnesses on meth.

[waree]

I see what you mean AutumnW. But you cannot stop the process. Like Bill Ryan said let it play out. This is part of us growing up spiritually. We all will learn from this. Just have peace as we all are human. Have compassion to others in any stage of evolution. Love! :heart: (sorry if this annoys you) I will go back to my plane of existence now... :bigsmile:

[AutumnW]

Love! (sorry if this annoys you) I will go back to my plane of existence now... Warree

If you are in support of a hoax that is all about propagandizing a basically anti war crowd into supporting an unnecessary war against an innocent population, (Iran), then yes it annoys me. If not, it doesn't.

[AutumnW]

I see what you mean AutumnW. But you cannot stop the process. Like Bill Ryan said let it play out. This is part of us growing up spiritually. We all will learn from this. Just have peace as we all are human. Have compassion to others in any stage of evolution. Love! :heart: (sorry if this annoys you) I will go back to my plane of existence now... :bigsmile:

This is not about 'evolution.' It's about devolution. Never has it been easier for war mongers to propagandize people based on their hot buttons. Our spiritual growth has NOTHING to do with it. That's a part of current cultural Narcissitic thinking. Real people could be killed in an actual real war, and Q could be a part of facilitating that process. It's insane

[waves]

The problem, Warree, is energy. Those who are emotional extremists are highly susceptible to being duped, getting all jazzed about it. They overpower forums because they believe they have "seen the light." I can't compete on my own here and most of the antiQ crowd has left. This is how these duping programs work. They over power any dissent and dissenters end up disillusioned and leave forums.

This will be the eventual outcome here, I am afraid.

The Q anon phenomenon encourages Narcissistic thinking. Followers believe they are special, have inside knowledge etc... They're like Jehovah's Witnesses on meth.

'Eventual' outcome? I say it's here. If a forum relentlessly coddles the sealed shut minded, insulting, arrogant, energy draining parasites in the name of 'tolerance', all it will get are more and more closed minded parasites.

The parasites own Avalon now - the contentious topics that are most important to defining the 'tone' of Avalon - are now dominated by the hopelessly programmed - the ones not in the least interested in learning, least of all what they may be wrong about.

The gentle, wise and brilliant old souls and teachers never stay very long for being instantly swarmed and treated with disrespect.

Imagine if Avalon held a very high standard and was known for being strictly a collective of only very wise, deeply read, open hearted listeners, sharers and discussers? There are millions looking for kindred spirits with no place to gather.

I'm realizing that BEING AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO IT RIGHT is the ONLY THING that nudges any self-reflection in those with armored shells - not endless explaining and the 'tolerant' effort of letting them repeat and repeat their shallow, despicable habits which is just hardening and hardening their armor even more.

[AutumnW]

Waves,

I am glad you and deDukshyn and others, myself included are on the same page on this issue!

[enfoldedblue]

I think part of the problem is that many of the people who don’t resonate with Q material are empaths or sensitives. From what I've seen the Qult ceelebrates harsh, brute strength approach.... things like safe spaces and heart focus are seen as weak, and part of a plan to weaken humanity for the benefit of the controllers.

For those who fit the box of fit ablebodied privileged citizens of the country central to this narrative this approach probably feels good and makes sense to their experience of reality.

However, to those who are very heart connected, or don't fall into the dominant category... it doesn't feel safe or inclusive at all.

Its true...on a level playing field, the soft and vulnerable will be crushed by the strong. The soft gentle voices have value and need to be heard, but that will happen less and less if they are forced to play in a competitive environment.

[Bill Ryan]

The parasites own Avalon now - the contentious topics that are most important to defining the 'tone' of Avalon - are now dominated by the hopelessly programmed


Speaking for myself: 9 years at Avalon, 1500 posts, 13,000 thanks - yet I am described as a parasite? Deluded, one who fails the Life intelligence test?

Definitely not! :)

I copied waves' post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1300491&viewfull=1#post1300491) to the 'mission' thread, and responded to it here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107533-Revisiting-the-forum-s-mission&p=1300577#post1300577). I posted some statistics there, which you may be interested to see.

[AutumnW]

With that in mind... there’s a new speculation I’ve been entertaining recently. What if the Q psyop isn’t just run by elements within the NSA (my personal opinion of course) what if it’s a joint psyop, coordinated with elements of Russian intelligence to destroy the liberal-communist ideology that’s infested the minds of western leaders? Jayke

Oh, you mean those same elites forcing us onto collective farms and actively encouraging us NOT to work for corporations in highly competetive oppressive atmospheres? LOL

Do a google search for Q-anon and fascism and see what comes up. That might make more sense. You're doing mental gymnastics here and arriving at all the wrong conclusions. But it IS some kind of brain exercise. I'll grant you that.

[AutumnW]

I think part of the problem is that many of the people who don’t resonate with Q material are empaths or sensitives. From what I've seen the Qult ceelebrates harsh, brute strength approach.... things like safe spaces and heart focus are seen as weak, and part of a plan to weaken humanity for the benefit of the controllers.

For those who fit the box of fit ablebodied privileged citizens of the country central to this narrative this approach probably feels good and makes sense to their experience of reality.

However, to those who are very heart connected, or don't fall into the dominant category... it doesn't feel safe or inclusive at all.

Its true...on a level playing field, the soft and vulnerable will be crushed by the strong. The soft gentle voices have value and need to be heard, but that will happen less and less if they are forced to play in a competitive environment.

To be fair, I think that at least some of the Q crowd have been so beat up and disillusioned living in a society that is becoming more and more fascist they simply want to hold onto some kind of hope. But when they are blind to the strong pro fascist pro war message, it becomes a dangerous blend of fanaticism and religion. Some will see the light, as things crater more and the powers that be prove their resilience and Q appears to become more and more aligned with them. It's remarkable how even the sensitive and the empathetic can have their best traits turned towards evil, by propaganda that appeals to hope, ego and excitement.

[Jad]

With that in mind... there’s a new speculation I’ve been entertaining recently. What if the Q psyop isn’t just run by elements within the NSA (my personal opinion of course) what if it’s a joint psyop, coordinated with elements of Russian intelligence to destroy the liberal-communist ideology that’s infested the minds of western leaders? Jayke

Oh, you mean those same elites forcing us onto collective farms and actively encouraging us NOT to work for corporations in highly competetive oppressive atmospheres? LOL

Do a google search for Q-anon and fascism and see what comes up. That might make more sense. You're doing mental gymnastics here and arriving at all the wrong conclusions. But it IS some kind of brain exercise. I'll grant you that.

Hello I just want to point out that what may seem like a forgone conclusion to you may not be the same for other people. We are all searching for the truth on our own personal pace. We can’t expect everyone else to be on the same level that we are on because their life experiences put them through a different learning curve. What I like about Avalon is that we have the neutral platform to allow both contradictory opinions about the Q phenomenon. In 10 years, this Q topic could be a very valuable case study where truth seekers can see the whole thing from its inception to its end and all the pointless “fighting” in between.

[waves]

The parasites own Avalon now - the contentious topics that are most important to defining the 'tone' of Avalon - are now dominated by the hopelessly programmed


Speaking for myself: 9 years at Avalon, 1500 posts, 13,000 thanks - yet I am described as a parasite? Deluded, one who fails the Life intelligence test?Please show me where I described 'you' as a parasite.

Your taking instant offense tells me you've totally ignored how I specifically defined the qualities of a forum parasite as I meant it.

I don't recall interacting with you ever, but thanks for the instant example of one of the very tiresome thread polluting behaviors of ignoring context and singling out a word to play the victim with.

Insults may often not be deserved, but sometimes they very much are earned.



... calling for forum censorship to protect it's reputation?
This is what I mean by lazy big statements that completely ignore CONTEXT and a bigger picture.

Isn't it totally unrealistic to grandstand for 'no censorship' without any context? No censorship means NO boundaries.

There are definitely no islamic, jim jones types or satanist extremists, etc. pushing their ideologies here. Why? THEY'RE CENSORED HERE.

There is healthy censorship at any forum and SHOULD be, I'm saying those boundaries need further tightening.

When you learn something it's stupid to keep repeating the same mistake.

I'm saying where knowledge has now been earned, it should be now be applied and the boundary CHANGED to account for what has been learned to be able to move forward.

[AutumnW]

With that in mind... there’s a new speculation I’ve been entertaining recently. What if the Q psyop isn’t just run by elements within the NSA (my personal opinion of course) what if it’s a joint psyop, coordinated with elements of Russian intelligence to destroy the liberal-communist ideology that’s infested the minds of western leaders? Jayke

Oh, you mean those same elites forcing us onto collective farms and actively encouraging us NOT to work for corporations in highly competetive oppressive atmospheres? LOL

Do a google search for Q-anon and fascism and see what comes up. That might make more sense. You're doing mental gymnastics here and arriving at all the wrong conclusions. But it IS some kind of brain exercise. I'll grant you that.

The brain exercise of thinking instead of emoting, yeah challenging for some I guess.

How about you explain the Q-anon and fascism connection to me... I’m very amenable to logic and reason when presented with the facts and evidence.

You do realise everyone that posts on the Q thread is very much anti-war, right? Where this manic fear of Q being a warmonger comes from is something I haven’t encountered on the actual thread itself.

Okay....:sherlock::sherlock:

Given QAnon’s foray into fostering support for regime change abroad, the recognition of the phenomenon as a psyop that preys on the wishes and emotions that Trump as a candidate cultivated in his supporters seems inevitable, particularly as it has begun claiming that all concerns over a looming war should be ignored. Instead, Q urges followers to “trust the plan.”

Allowing long-standing neo-conservative policies and posturing for war to masquerade as an uprising against the “deep state” and “a draining of the swamp,” QAnon has turned reality on its head by manipulating a desire among many Americans for an end to Washington corruption. It is arguably a modern psyop like no other.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-trump-conspiracy-monger-qanon-calls-for-regime-change-in-iran/244686/

[Praxis]

So the detractors read the words then make snap judgements before they’ve had time to assess whether the words match up to the reality of what’s going on or not. Whereas the followers read the words then observe to see how those words match up to the reality of people’s actions.


In regards to Saudi Arabia, Trump wasn’t the one who set that track in place, that fire was already burning before he took office. He has however put out a fire with North Korea, averted war with Iran, has made a deal with Mexico to ease the fire burning at the southern border. The guy isn’t perfect and has some dubious connections to Israel for sure, and that’s an area where more research needs to be fleshed out and brought to light.



If the anti-Q people allow their bloodlust to get in the way of the deeper investigation, the greater crimes against humanity will inevitably be allowed to go unpunished. And that’s something I’m guessing both pro and anti Q people don’t want to see happen. And is where we really should be working together, rather than trying to shut each other down.

Ulli, first you are gonna have give some sources on "Look at North Korea, and his very pinpointed strikes against Syria, where he dismantled Iran secret nuclear weapons program in the Syrian desert."

Reading that sentence nearly made my head explode. So I dont know if you have looked at a map recently, but Syria does not border Iran. So you are trying to claim that Iran clandestinely took a secret enrichment facility across Iraq and into Syria where it secretly set up a centrifuge and heavy water facility? Or did it ship in the heavy water needed for the process? Do you realize the ridiculousness of your sentence? You sound like Colin Powell in 2003.

We must live in a different reality.

Your man stopped the closure of Guantanamo Bay and wants to send more people there. Defend this and you are a bad person FULL STOP. This is actual crimes against humanity.
Dont talk about our blood lust and crimes against humanity while Trump allows this and things like Yemen to happen. This is the worst part about you people. Yelling crimes against humanity while completely ignoring your god emperors crimes. It doesnt matter how it started, it matter how it stops.

The thing about being president is if we are on a foreign policy track that you dont like, you can change it like he did with the Iran deal(which now has actually made it more likely for them to develop nuclear weapons as they are probably terrified that the "mentally retarded", Iran's words not mine although I do agree, person will attack them when it looks like he will lose the election.

He can absolutely stop arms sales to Saudi and in fact congress passed just that and HE VETOED IT.

You even admitted that he is being run by the mossad but casually say some more looking into that would be good. The dude literally ate the poison pill that every admin has refused since the law was passed to violate international agreements by moving our embassy to Jerusalem just to please his handlers.




I want everyone to notice this. They do this alot. They are still in the mindset of the underdog. This is part of their role play. They like to be the VICTIM™. They like to tell themselves that "our boy trump is the real deal it is just those dastardly deep state that stop him from draining the swamp completely" without realizing that this was only pitch able when he was running and wasnt actually the most powerful human on the planet.

As president, he has direct control over many of the crimes of our state. He could start being very public about his fight with the deep state if he chose. Trump is not shy, clearly.

You know like when he let the CIA continue to hide the jfk doc that were supposed to be released last year? There are so many examples that poke holes in your fantasy, yet you dont accept them or have some 19d chess explanation.
Just wow at the level of ability to continue to ignore what actually happens by fabricating this fantasy that there is 14d chess happening.

[Hervé]

Ras-le-bol:

I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters/page516).

[AutumnW]

With that in mind... there’s a new speculation I’ve been entertaining recently. What if the Q psyop isn’t just run by elements within the NSA (my personal opinion of course) what if it’s a joint psyop, coordinated with elements of Russian intelligence to destroy the liberal-communist ideology that’s infested the minds of western leaders? Jayke

Oh, you mean those same elites forcing us onto collective farms and actively encouraging us NOT to work for corporations in highly competetive oppressive atmospheres? LOL

Do a google search for Q-anon and fascism and see what comes up. That might make more sense. You're doing mental gymnastics here and arriving at all the wrong conclusions. But it IS some kind of brain exercise. I'll grant you that.

Hello I just want to point out that what may seem like a forgone conclusion to you may not be the same for other people. We are all searching for the truth on our own personal pace. We can’t expect everyone else to be on the same level that we are on because their life experiences put them through a different learning curve. What I like about Avalon is that we have the neutral platform to allow both contradictory opinions about the Q phenomenon. In 10 years, this Q topic could be a very valuable case study where truth seekers can see the whole thing from its inception to its end and all the pointless “fighting” in between.

Hoaxes do real damage. Remember the Nazi hoax that Jews were inferior sub humans? That along with a demoralized poverty stricken populace created the conditions that lead to the Holocaust.

Step back in time. Should that have been allowed to play out without extreme protest in the interest of some kind of thought experiment? That's a very detached and aloof perspective promoted by someone who doesn't have anything to lose, either way, I'd wager.

And yes, others have made the point that many of the followers are anti-war. But economic sanctions that create suffering and despair, to soften the ground for regime change, or create conditions that lead to civil war are wars of a different kind and every bit as lethal. I would like to see any evidence that Q is against sanctioning Venezuela and Iran.

"Trust the plan." is nauseating and those that fall for it are helping to do immeasurable harm.

I understand you personally mean no harm and that's very appreciated. You, like some on the Q thread are likely a very good person. And that's the shame of it all.

[mountain_jim]

The parasites own Avalon now - the contentious topics that are most important to defining the 'tone' of Avalon - are now dominated by the hopelessly programmed


Speaking for myself: 9 years at Avalon, 1500 posts, 13,000 thanks - yet I am described as a parasite? Deluded, one who fails the Life intelligence test?Please show me where I described 'you' as a parasite.

Your taking instant offense tells me you've totally ignored how I specifically defined the qualities of a forum parasite as I meant it.

I don't recall interacting with you ever, but thanks for the instant example of one of the very tiresome thread polluting behaviors of ignoring context and singling out a word to play the victim with.

Insults may often not be deserved, but sometimes they very much are earned.



... calling for forum censorship to protect it's reputation?
This is what I mean by lazy big statements that completely ignore CONTEXT and a bigger picture.

Isn't it totally unrealistic to grandstand for 'no censorship' without any context? No censorship means NO boundaries.

There are definitely no islamic, jim jones types or satanist extremists, etc. pushing their ideologies here. Why? THEY'RE CENSORED HERE.

There is healthy censorship at any forum and SHOULD be, I'm saying those boundaries need further tightening.

When you learn something it's stupid to keep repeating the same mistake.

I'm saying where knowledge has now been earned, it should be now be applied and the boundary CHANGED to account for what has been learned to be able to move forward.

Ignoring context?

Quite disingenuous in my view and still overflowing with insults. You defined the forum 'parasite' in the context of Q anon active posters on this forum.

I say this because the post of yours I quoted was in response to another post containing the following:



The Q anon phenomenon encourages Narcissistic thinking. Followers believe they are special, have inside knowledge etc... They're like Jehovah's Witnesses on meth.


Any Q-anon-phenomenon active researcher/poster such as myself would naturally understand you were directing your 'parasite' pejorative our way, in a general way such that your statements don't violate forum decorum by calling out any individuals directly.



Insults may often not be deserved, but sometimes they very much are earned.


< plenty of things I could say here but will not >

[Matthew]

Since the QAnon phenomenon began in late October, 2017 - slowly at first and then picking up momentum and an ever growing number of followers globally - voices were raised in earnest that it was nothing more than a LARP (Live Action Role Play), a conspiracy theory, psyop and even a cult, as it has indeed taken on many of those attributes by those who are skeptical of "Q's" true intentions or who "Q" really may be?

Is "Q" really providing insider military intelligence to enlighten the public, or is it something more sinister?

The purpose of this thread is to discuss an opposing viewpoint, concerns, share evidence of the same and offer a counter narrative to the "Q" followers.

(Mods please feel free to move thread or edit title as you see fit - KE) :thumbsup:

This video from the Kev Baker Show, outlines some of those concerns, providing evidence that "Q" just may be the "LARP of the Century".


The Final Q'urtain For #Qanon As LARP Of The Century Fully EXPOSED! 🙈

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The Kev Baker Show
Streamed live on Sep 5, 2018
#TeamKBS #KevBakerShow #Truth

Big news overnight with Jack Posobiac making good on his claims that he would publish evidence that would prove there is no military insider or Trump associate at the centre of the Qanon conspiracy. On the contrary, its turns out to be just the LARP we said it all was & with online trolls at the centre of it.

Im getting ready for the barrage of down votes & negative comments, because people just dont like to admit they have been duped, & on this one, duped big time.

Kev Baker comes to you from Glasgow, Scotland & is the host of The Kev Baker Show on Truth frequency radio. Kev covers topics ranging from geopolitics to the paranormal.

Bravo Herve, its pretty poor posting by some members here in my strong opinion. This thread looses integrity faster than you can say "Be careful who you are following. Some are profiting off this movement.” (reference Q-drop April 29 2018 10:11:22 (EST) aka 'Profiteering post’)

I quoted the opening post so KiwiElf can read it and understand what this thread is about

[waree]

Ras-le-bol:

I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters/page516).

Thank you for not deleting them.

;)

[Belle]

Ras-le-bol:

I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters/page516).

I apologize for posting in the wrong thread, Herve. My apologies to the posters on this thread, also.

Perhaps we could use a thread for questions and answers that would help bridge the gap between opposing views.

Like Gracy Mae, I, too, would like to understand the information used to come to such a different view to mine...without impatience, rancor, judgment, name-calling, etc. on either side.

I believe such a dialogue would be beneficial and healing, even if we end up agreeing to disagree.

Please feel free to erase part or all of this post if it does not fit here. I have been away from PA for almost 5 years...it will take me a while to get used to how it works now.

And on that note, I take my leave.

[Hervé]

[...]
Perhaps we could use a thread for questions and answers that would help bridge the gap between opposing views.

Like Gracy Mae, I, too, would like to understand the information used to come to such a different view to mine...without impatience, rancor, judgment, name-calling, etc. on either side.
[...]
Thanks and feel free to start a new thread for that specific endeavor. That's what the original thread was supposed to be, but... as with any emotionally charged subjects, passions went unbridled.

[Matthew]

Almost all of those moved posts were cool to read, and sort of most of them could have lived here happily I recon...

But posts that are images of Q drops from 8chan, with (what was it?) four words ... I mean,,,, come on. My guess: that tipped the balance

If we're going to post any Q-drops on the topic of this thread, we could probably start with the 'Profiteering post’ (April 29 2018 10:11:22 EST)

[Belle]

Hi YoYoYo!

That wasn't a Q drop...it was one Anon's opinion that he posted on 8chan. I know, it was still 8chan. I get it.

I do enjoy reading this thread...I just wish I better understood how people arrived at their opinions.

I'm seriously considering starting a thread (as Herve suggested) where we can dialogue...ask questions of each other, learn from each other, see things from a perspective we may not have considered before, and hopefully come to realize we are all flawed humans doing the best we can to understand what is going on in this world around us that has gone bats__t crazy.

Holding center is difficult when emotions run high. I need to give the ''how' to do this a lot of thought. We really don't need another contentious thread, and I would need the time to be online enough to ensure that does not happen...if that's possible.

Please feel free to pm me if you have any thoughts about this...this includes anyone reading this post.

:grouphug:

[Matthew]

Hi! Make the thread, crack on. This one was invented as a dumping ground to hoof posts out of the main Q thread when *ehem*, I will delicately say 'they', wanted to swat them out the way. It lives now as an example of how to make an excellent place to move posts to out of a main thread. It has had some good discussion though. If we need to re-tune the post hoofing... I have a feeling we can start to fine tune it now, I;m not sure there was the option previously. But moving on really quickly.

For a list of basic premise that we don't each share on the Q topic, I thought the poll was a good lexicon. That's my best thought. Other than that, I don;t actually care about the Q topic itself anymore; I've posted too much on the topic already

But do your thread thing, yeah!

[Matthew]

...
I do enjoy reading this thread...I just wish I better understood how people arrived at their opinions.
...

I was thinking I could be more useful and provide a link or two to posts that might at least try and help answer this from my own humble perspective. The shear volume of information around Q, and the high frequency of drops, and the bickering... I understand it's really hard to get a gist on the subject.

Here's a good one from this thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1291574&viewfull=1#post1291574

extract...

This ongoing series, by internet journalist Elemi Fuentes, is long, detailed, intelligent, and interesting.
...


And here is a post from another thread, which, I think, is even harder to follow than this one. But the linked post below acts as a summary. It's from a thread that focuses on a letter from a Q whistleblower.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED-LARP-PSYOP-CRIMINAL-ENTERPRISE-and-CULT&p=1282868&viewfull=1#post1282868

extract...

You need the Q tripcode to post as Q, yes. In this thread a person by the alias Pamphlet is caught on a video live stream using the Q tripcode to post as Q

I don't care about Q, or what people think about Q. But I do care that prior research is available... it makes sense to bring pertinent posts to the forefront again. Hope this helps

[Bill Ryan]

I'm seriously considering starting a thread (as Herve suggested) where we can dialogue...ask questions of each other, learn from each other, see things from a perspective we may not have considered before, and hopefully come to realize we are all flawed humans doing the best we can to understand what is going on in this world around us that has gone bats__t crazy.

I admire the sentiment! :highfive: But the reason this thread was separated from the main 'Q' thread was an apartheid-like decision — to stop people from [metaphorically!] killing one another. :)

I'd love to see it work. But experience so far, some of it hard-won, suggests that diehard supporters and diehard critics wouldn't between them be able to refrain from bloodshed. The whole arena seems just too touchy, and one or two people who are still active here seem just too easily provoked into hostility.

[Belle]

Thanks for the words of wisdom, Bill.

I comprehend what you are saying, (and here comes the but) but there is something in me that just has to try....even though failure is a good possibility.

[AutumnW]

Giving this a bump. Lots of value in this thread. :heart:

[Hervé]

...

What I see that's happening with the Q movement is that it's slowly replacing all the research that's been done on Avalon and other forum... like, with Jon Rappoport and others gone , the reference then becomes "Q":

"Q said/wrote/predicted/etc..."
So we end up with a reference akin to a bible. with every one on the same page and verses... sigh!

There was a precursor to this which appeared during the Boston Bombings which went something like: "Are you a follower or do you think for yourself?"* and the authors then proceeded with providing what to look at and what to see in what was provided. So much for thinking for oneself!

Well, "Q" is designed for people unable to read long articles and in need of fastfood news who, like gamers, are best steered in the intended direction with questions: "Lookey here! What do you see?"

So, the "Q" questions/questionings are geared towards only one possible answer... very clever! (because all alternate answers have been deplatformed) No one is asking: "Wait a minute! Is the answer to that question worth knowing?

So, I guess, a counter psy-op would be asking:
"Are you sovereign? Or are you being manipulated?"


Related:


Dystopian, Borderless Social Control System (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107248-Dystopian-Borderless-Social-Control-System)
Revealed: Zuckerberg's and Facebook's DARPA origins (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107641-Revealed-Zuckerberg-s-and-Facebook-s-DARPA-origins)



* "Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?" was the actual title of the article

[AutumnW]

Yes, Q-anon appeals to people who believe they 'think for themselves' and provides a lot of co-opted material that has some merit from sources who do think for themselves. Q then proceeds to embellish, distort, and provide coincidences that 'prove' something or other.

The heavy reliance on coincidence and synchronicity mirrors back the beliefs of those who are on a spiritual journey. But the very fact that they are being given these drops and encouraged, through participating in an echo chamber, to believe it unquestioningly, or to 'trust the plan,' is ideologically rigid and identical to a religion.

Anybody can be played. Tell me what your beliefs are, how you have been emotionally hurt, tricked, oppressed, dispossessed. What are your dreams, where do your affections lie, who do you respect? Did your mother treat you well, how about your Dad? Do you adhere to mainstream belief or alternative points of view? Tell me. I won't ask, but I will set things up in such a way that you will be tripping over yourself to feed me all the info I need. What are your fears? Tell me.

[Constance]

Groupthink

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/basics/groupthink

When it comes to groupthink, this video by Derren Brown is so very telling.


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[Cara]

Thanks Constance for reminding me of Derren Brown! He has some truly astonishing videos that demonstrate quite explicitly the malleability of human perception. They are well worth watching.

~~~

There are two books on this topic that are maybe useful reading for anyone wanting to explore more.

1. “Secret, Don’t Tell” by Carla Emery is a detailed recounting of how hypnotism and suggestion works. Detailed cases are recounted so it’s possible to see how the victim is groomed and his or her behaviours modified.
https://i0.wp.com/www.secretdonttell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SDT_Cover.gif?fit=470%2C617
Here’s the website for the book: http://www.secretdonttell.com/

2. “The Corruption of Reality: A Unified Theory of Religion, Hypnosis, and Psychopathology“ by John F. Schumaker examines suggestibility and altered states of consciousness. The author is a psychologist and he describes in detail many studies; so this book is also an excellent literature survey.
https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1365463932i/1120182.jpg
Here’s the book on Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1120182.The_Corruption_of_Reality

[Gaia]

Cold reading and propaganda


When I started learning English (nearly 18 years ago), I purchased ‘Life of Pi‘ as an audiobook to help me with the learning process. If there is something I truly learned from that novel, is that “repetition is important“. This is akin to Pavlov’s experimenting with dogs and conditioning their behavior. Humans, it transpires, are easily malleable and can also be conditioned under very similar circumstances. We are, after all, also animals. Political animals, perhaps, but animals, nonetheless. And so Qanon played on this repetition for the full effect of its conditioning:

Trust The Plan.
Trust Potus.
Trust Jeff Sessions.
Trust Huber.
Trust Grasseley.
Trust yourself (this point, in particular, is rather useful, given how it will be turned around to simply trust the plan, not your own thoughts or intuition).
In God we trust (this plays on the gullibility of religious folk and the patriotic-type of people).
Pain is Coming.
Sit tight and grab the popcorn.
Public awakening.
You are watching a movie/Think movie.
WWG1WGA (where we go one we all go).
We have everything.
Patriots in control.
Great Awakening.
Future proves pasts.
Disinfo is necessary. Perhaps the most important of all. Because if Qanon is wrong, is just because disinformation was necessary. If Qanon was right, then it is obviously because they had inside knowledge. The greatest trick they ever pulled indeed… Repetition is important.


And so on. Mantras that are repeated over and over so they will take hold in the subconscious and people will believe them to be true, even if countless amounts of evidence disproves every claim ever made by the Qanon team. Not to mention the fact that all these mantras are either copied from Cicada, or from movies, books or historical events.

Cicada : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301

[AutumnW]

Great points Gaia and I am super happy you're back. Sanity returns to Avalon!

Thought you and others might like this:

Follow the White Rabbit

Try as they might, these folks can’t resist references to the Wachowski siblings' sci-fi trilogy and Q, borrowing the directives given via computer screen to Neo in The Matrix, has craftily urged his horde to follow the white rabbit. The white rabbit in question could represent anything from the Playboy bunny and Hugh Heffner to the Catholic Church to a New Orleans artist with the last name Podesta—no relation to John—who happens to work with bunny-suited mannequins.


https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/ywex8v/what-is-qanon-conspiracy-theory

[jimisroom]

In the case of Q, it has continually targeted media and the Democratic Party in the US. While the nation's real problem is social, moral and cultural decay, Q has successfully laid the burden on demographic groups that are symptomatic, rather than actual causes. The absence of invective against Republicans is telling, and there is never a third-party alternative mentioned. Q is not a broad-spectrum movement, but one narrowly focused on getting selected Republicans in office. Q is highly partisan and serves only to widen and deepen the left-right divide, not foster unity and common solutions.





Thank you.


I've been reading several responses about this phenomenon and was wondering when someone was going to mention this!


I joined Twitter in the last couple of years specfically to connect with UFO experiencers and researchers... It was mostly awesome, but there were several days a few on my feed would be inundated with re-post Q drops. It was impossible NOT to notice over a course of time that they were highly, highly partisan.


My deepest and most heartfelt respect goes out to Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy for introducing us to David Wilcock, and I appreciate the volume and quality of work from all three.
But I'm paying attention to the timeline here. David Wilcock was predicting "mass arrests" of deep state criminals back in 2019-10 timeframe when he was interviewing Drake.


Their interview focused on exposing the actual deep state...third rail...secret govt, etc. The largest concern about the executive at the time was that "he", President Obama, was going to "take away the guns". That was about it.


Now cut to the last year and a half of a waterfall of "Q drops" shared and interpreted on Twitter... By the law of "repitition", if someone were to ask me who the "deep state" is...just based on Q drops and bakers alone, I would say the "deep state" is Obama, the Clintons, Podesta, Soros, the "liberals" (whoever that really is) and "the left" (whatever that really means--changes depending on who you talk to).


How is a third rail deep state that owns and funds both political parties "really" just the democrats and "the left"? It doesnt make sense.


If someone were to ask me what I learned from these "drops" about human trafficking and abuse...I would be obligated to mention Pizzagate...and of course Ms Clinton and John Podesta (I've heard this a zillion times)...yet Q never seems to mention the Franklin Scandal whatsoever. Why??? Find the documentary "Conspiracy of Silence"...it will shake you to your core and enlighten you on how these compromising situations control both parties. There's a reason Discovery channel pulled the broadcast.


Now this same source is pushing war in Iran? I thought exposing the "deep state" included not starting frivilous wars? Now people are being turned to that.


Trust the Plan is not as empowering as information and ideas on repairing our communities from the grassroots up. Where are those ideas and inspirations? Where is the information on how our system "actually" works...vs. the half truths we've been taught? Why no mention of the financial system, and how we can empower ourselves there? (FASAB 56 passed by both houses and the exec makes govt $pending even less accountable and secret...passed by BOTH parties and exec during Kavanaugh drama)


No... What I have seen is a repetition of a "witchhunt" rhetoric which is very distracting and in some cases seemingly creating extremists. Removing the democratic party and creating a one party state is not the answer, but some are actually repeating this.


"Lock them up" propaganda is not helping me get health care or put food on the table.


I grew up in post WW2 Germany as a kid in the 70s before the wall fell. We literally lived 45 minutes from the east german border... The Germans "constantly" talked about and warned us about propaganda. Now I'm seeing the same level of it evolve right here in the US...worse than what they were warning of while coupled with technology.


So I say the same as I said to a few of my twitter chums...BE CAREFUL with this Q stuff. While some info may be true, there is also an incredible amount of disinfo. Other Q followers have even admitted this to me, so "Chaos Theory" and "limited hangout" also come to mind.

Real discussion, discernment and avoidance of resorting to any kind of extremism is the key to our healing and will get us all where we need to be.

[AutumnW]

Jimisroom,

A thousand thanks. Qanon is a prefascist propaganda phenomenon that started as a live action game. It's useful to the sociopathic Nazis who are the deepest swampiest part of the deep state. What do you say to those who have this 'light bulb moment' where everything falls into place for them when they begin reading this stuff? What is going on with them emotionally and cognitively?

I have my own ideas on that subject but would love to hear yours.:thumbsup:

[jimisroom]

Jimisroom,

What do you say to those who have this 'light bulb moment' where everything falls into place for them when they begin reading this stuff? What is going on with them emotionally and cognitively?

I have my own ideas on that subject but would love to hear yours.:thumbsup:

It seems alot of this is based upon just that..."light bulb moments"...which in turn produce dopamine hits similar to, or even more addicting than those from the average social media post.


I remember getting recruited for the debate team in high school, and the thrill and emotional high that accompanied a well structured argument...especially if you had "solid" evidence from several credible sources.


The "high" here is quite similar, but much more "emotional"...based on "repeated" second hand information, not necessarily actual, complete research. The result is just an amping up of the outrage and anger. That anger and outrage are highly addictive to some...which is why whole media organizations are created around that model.


And, again, ironically in the case of "Q", this "second hand information" is highly partisan...much of it an extension of the Scaifes wars against the Clintons that started decades ago...if one really pays attention.


There is also a "high" in feeling like one belongs to a so-called "truth telling" exclusive group...a high that often over time (for some) morphs into a slight to incredible disdain for those "outside" the group. This is largely why I've avoided debating this. Discussion on just about any subject morphed from a few traded ideas to "my way or the highway".


The moment I got extremely concerned, was when people suddenly saw Roswell as a "real" event, just because "Q" said it was. Really??? There have been tons of people who have come forward about Roswell since it happened, and they have actual names and we've seen their actual faces...but suddenly an "anonymous" source becomes the most credible confirmation of Roswell? How?


This tells me people need to be extremely careful and not be decieved into thinking that "disclosure" is just all about locking up Hillary Clinton and whoever else they deem to be a public enemy.


I'm noticing that even some die hard ET-UFO-Exopolitical researchers/influencers have fallen for this.


All the information about our catalyzing DNA, researching, recalling and remembering our ET origins, the fact that there are at least 22 Earth races and we are ALL ET hybrids, and hidden Earth history has been dropped entirely by the latest bombshells which might expose the dems or "own the libs". One particular influencer was very organically "love and light" until after the last election, and now most of that has been replaced with disinformation railing against "the left" and "socialism"...yet they really define neither. What happened??? Why? What does that have to do with ET?


I understand we are a result of our experiences, and we can only go on what we've been exposed to....I have compassion for that...but folks need to maybe not focus so much on the witchhunt (whether against the so-called left, or against the president) and do their own research to help them understand themselves. The "high" of a deeper understanding of self is way more substantial and everlasting than the percieved high of the latest "dig" verifying why one hates John Podesta or whoever.


Poor Rosanne learned this harshly. Her success is from her comedy, and her comedy came from a deep "introspective look at self"...and then she shared it in her work for years.


Then recently she lost her way...the "Q" thing got to her so deeply that she couldn't even remark intelligently or actually inform us about the Iran deal like she intended without calling a woman a monkey. Was that a "light bulb moment" for her? Or a moment of the temporary insanity after accumulating so many dopamine hits based on "rage" and second hand information from a handheld device constantly being bombarded with rf energy? I forgive her...it could happen to any of us if we let it.


I am curious to hear your ideas on this as well. I know people generally mean well, but "disclosure" also includes remembering the hazards of groupthink, and avoiding them....


...don't forget examples like the Blue Eyes Brown Eyes Experiment by Jane Elliot nor the Stanford Prison Experiment...



https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-class-divided/
https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-class-divided/


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We have genetic memory. We have been here before. The journey now is in re-directing the energy towards actually healing our communities from the ground up. The sooner the we do that the sooner we will actually be "ready" when ET shows up en masse.

[AuCo]

...

What I see that's happening with the Q movement is that it's slowly replacing all the research that's been done on Avalon and other forum... like, with Jon Rappoport and others gone , the reference then becomes "Q":

"Q said/wrote/predicted/etc..."
So we end up with a reference akin to a bible. with every one on the same page and verses... sigh!

There was a precursor to this which appeared during the Boston Bombings which went something like: "Are you a follower or do you think for yourself?"* and the authors then proceeded with providing what to look at and what to see in what was provided. So much for thinking for oneself!

Well, "Q" is designed for people unable to read long articles and in need of fastfood news who, like gamers, are best steered in the intended direction with questions: "Lookey here! What do you see?"

So, the "Q" questions/questionings are geared towards only one possible answer... very clever! (because all alternate answers have been deplatformed) No one is asking: "Wait a minute! Is the answer to that question worth knowing?

So, I guess, a counter psy-op would be asking:
"Are you sovereign? Or are you being manipulated?"


Related:


Dystopian, Borderless Social Control System (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107248-Dystopian-Borderless-Social-Control-System)
Revealed: Zuckerberg's and Facebook's DARPA origins (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107641-Revealed-Zuckerberg-s-and-Facebook-s-DARPA-origins)



* "Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?" was the actual title of the article

To some, like me, this and the Q threads are useful data collection hubs. I just leave out the emotion baggage :)

[waves]

....If someone were to ask me what I learned from these "drops" about human trafficking and abuse...I would be obligated to mention Pizzagate...and of course Ms Clinton and John Podesta (I've heard this a zillion times)...yet Q never seems to mention the Franklin Scandal whatsoever. Why??? Find the documentary "Conspiracy of Silence"...it will shake you to your core and enlighten you on how these compromising situations control both parties. There's a reason Discovery channel pulled the broadcast........

Great observations and contribution jimisroom, thank you.

I highlighted one thing you specifically mentioned because I keep forgetting that point - how telling it is to take note of the things Q doesn't mention.

Q conveniently avoids the big money Israeli/Mossad/Zionist factor and their having achieved total control of the social narrative by their acquisition of ALL TV, cable, newspapers (even all little local ones) and radio media, facebook, google and youtube, not to mention all output by Hollywood and hordes of bought out media personalities. They are now running all those medias in collusion with an iron fist and horrific manipulation of what the public sees, what is reported at all, and how it's characterized. I never see anything important accurately characterized anymore, including the frickin' weather - nearly across the whole world. They've been buying it all up little by little since Clinton deregulated media ownership limits that had been there to prevent exactly what has now happened.

There's not a chance to me that their fingers are not in something so social narrative usable as Q..... and from very early.

Whose offer of "substantially more than a million dollars" early last year for the Patriot Soapbox did Pamphlet.... 'turn down'?

[Pam]

Jimisroom,

A thousand thanks. Qanon is a prefascist propaganda phenomenon that started as a live action game. It's useful to the sociopathic Nazis who are the deepest swampiest part of the deep state. What do you say to those who have this 'light bulb moment' where everything falls into place for them when they begin reading this stuff? What is going on with them emotionally and cognitively?

I have my own ideas on that subject but would love to hear yours.:thumbsup:

I notice that you frequently use the word Nazi to describe a group or groups of people. Can you give me examples of these Nazi groups? After giving the example, can to factually provide their actions and what they do that is Nazi like? Please limit your response to modern times.

[Satori]

He, she, they, it going by the moniker "Q" is/are providing what has become known as "Q drops" (or some similar such thing). "Q" is not writing an encyclopedia. Of necessity, not every thing or nuance can be, or even should be, written or touched upon in a particular Q drop, or in the entire collection of all Q drops.

I do not believe this is a case where specifically mentioning somethings is intended to exclude, downplay or cast into doubt other things that may come into the mind of the reader and to which the reader believes to be true or applicable and relevant to the subject.

[AutumnW]

Jimisroom,

A thousand thanks. Qanon is a prefascist propaganda phenomenon that started as a live action game. It's useful to the sociopathic Nazis who are the deepest swampiest part of the deep state. What do you say to those who have this 'light bulb moment' where everything falls into place for them when they begin reading this stuff? What is going on with them emotionally and cognitively?

I have my own ideas on that subject but would love to hear yours.:thumbsup:

I notice that you frequently use the word Nazi to describe a group or groups of people. Can you give me examples of these Nazi groups? After giving the example, can to factually provide their actions and what they do that is Nazi like? Please limit your response to modern times.

"Usually, comparisons between Donald Trump’s America and Nazi Germany come from cranks and internet trolls. But a new essay in the New York Review of Books pointing out “troubling similarities” between the 1930s and today is different: It’s written by Christopher Browning, one of America’s most eminent and well-respected historians of the Holocaust. In it, he warns that democracy here is under serious threat, in the way that German democracy was prior to Hitler’s rise — and really could topple altogether."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/5/17940610/trump-hitler-history-historian

[T Smith]

There is also a "high" in feeling like one belongs to a so-called "truth telling" exclusive group...a high that often over time (for some) morphs into a slight to incredible disdain for those "outside" the group. This is largely why I've avoided debating this. Discussion on just about any subject morphed from a few traded ideas to "my way or the highway".

The moment I got extremely concerned, was when people suddenly saw Roswell as a "real" event, just because "Q" said it was. Really??? There have been tons of people who have come forward about Roswell since it happened, and they have actual names and we've seen their actual faces...but suddenly an "anonymous" source becomes the most credible confirmation of Roswell? How?



These are all very interesting observations, but I would only question, how is this anything new? This analysis merely describes how the vast majority of people have been processing information since.... forever.

To wit:

There is a whole swath of people, as much as 100 times (perhaps much more) greater than those who follow Q, who will not believe anything about anything until the high priests of MSM and the annals of official government propaganda tell them it is so. So your arguments, while very well articulated, and, as far as I can tell, largely valid, basically describe how most people process information.

You are basically describing human nature and the inability of many to critically form their own opinions, which has been largely a deliberate ramification of public education (https://www.oldthinkernews.com/2011/01/03/how-education-psychology-and-cinema-should-destroy-free-will/).

The so-called cult you are attempting to expose applies a hundredfold to the lemmings that follow any new source anywhere, particularly mainstream media.

I will add, however, that I do not believe, from what I understand from personal interactions with them over the years, that those who follow Q here on this forum, to the person, would fit this characterization. No one here has finally embraced the Roswell narrative because "Q has decreed it so."

It would seem to me you are basically calling out those who blindly follow anything, which applies to humanity at large no matter what their worldview or what information moves them...

To that end:

I have said it many times before on this forum. We have already had Disclosure. The cat is already out of the bag. Anyone who is paying attention and who can critically think on their own already knows that for which many so desperately yearn. I am continually baffled as to why people feel it is necessary to have channels of official government propaganda validate the obvious?

As perplexing as it is, it is apparent many--if not most--people will refuse to believe the sky is blue until the government tells them it is so.

[T Smith]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/5/17940610/trump-hitler-history-historian



Interesting. I was looking for something more in this article to convince me I might have overlooked something. What sticks, however, is an analysis that conflates the fear of the unknown (a rogue actor in power) with various historical horrors of the past, e.g. the Holocaust. That's a fairly loose connection.

Don't misunderstand me. I would entertain such an argument, but I need a convincing argument to take it seriously. That Trump is a wildcard and not a puppet of the established power structure hardly supports the argument that democracy is under siege.

But let's analyze:

Trump (and his followers) embrace Nationalism; Hitler (and most Germans circa 1930s) embraced Nationalism. Check. Germany had been brutally oppressed by the Paris Peace Accords, just as America (and other sovereign nations) have been brutally oppressed by the incipience of Globalism. Check. Okay, you have my attention.

What else indicates we might see a repeat of 1930s Nazi Germany?

This is where all parallels end. I am still awaiting to be convinced, and this is exactly where Browning's argument falls short and seems to morph more into a political hit piece rather than a legitimate intellectual discussion.

For those who can't discern the differences between 1930s Nazi German and 2019s America, I'll lay it out the best I understand:

1. Circa 1930s, Adolph Hitler was a highly respected and popular world leader among everybody, including the German people and foreign powers. He was Time Magazine's person of the year in 1938. He was basically the Barack Obama of his times (perhaps even more popular) and had incredible influence... which as we all well know can be dangerous.

Donald Trump, no so much. Here is a man who can't get away with passing gas in a church pew. What power does he really weld with a mere 35 - 45 percent of avid followers behind him and absolutely none behind him in the sphere of genuine power and influence?

2. In 1933 Germany, the Nazi's began to actively oppress their opponents. Arrests and intimidation against the cause were commonplace. Big red flag, and people turned a blind eye. (We are actually seeing the opposite trend in 2019 America, where conservative voices -- those who would support the Trump agenda are ever censored and banned from public discourse). One could convincingly argue the opposite trend is occurring in 2019 America...

3. In 1933 Germany, all existing political parties were banned. From mid-July 1933 onwards, Germany was a single-party state. Cultural and scientific ‘cleansings’ were carried out as well. There is no evidence whatsoever, even in theoretical suggestion, of this remotely occurring in present day America.

4. In April 1933, the German government took official action against the Jews. It openly announced a major boycott of Jewish products. It was the first step in a series of anti-Jewish measures that would end in the Holocaust. There is no parallel whatsoever in 2019 America. (The border crisis, btw, if one is tempted to draw a paralell, is not about race; it's about legal citizenship and cultural assimilation).

5. After taking power, Hitler and the Nazis turned Germany into a dictatorship. Time and again, they used legal means to give their actions a semblance of legality. Step by step, Hitler managed to erode democracy until it was just a hollow facade. One could argue Trump is following a similar path via executive order, but that wouldn't hold water relative to past POTUS executive action. Trump's action of executive order is roughly in line with both Barack Obama's and George W. Bush before him (https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders).

The bottom line is this is just fear porn.

That said I will be the first to sit up and take notice if Donald Trump truly attempts anything remotely in the same vein of Adolph Hitler.

[jimisroom]

The so-called cult you are attempting to expose applies a hundredfold to the lemmings that follow any new source anywhere, particularly mainstream media.



I am not trying to "expose" anything, I'm merely asking questions, and yes...pointing out human nature. I answered the question. The fact that this is "nothing new" is true, but it apparently needs to me mentioned again because history has a way of repeating itself, and I don't wish to see groupthink go awry in the way that it can coupled with "technology".

Yes, people don't immediately think for themselves alot of times, and yes, some can be attributed to education, but that s minimal to our consumer culture which conditions us to do that which is "easy" and "convenient". Over time people get lazy...dont research, and then couple it with emotion. That needs to evolve, and many are doing that.

My criticism of the reception of the Roswell information of COURSE doesnt apply to everyone who follows Q... I never accused anyone at Avalon of that. Pls dont put words in my mouth. The issue is the process "analysis" exercised by most responding... There was none. We could all do better.

Just to repeat...answering a question on a forum about what people might feel during their moment of truth is not the same as "trying to expose a cult". I've seen people get emotionally charged with any and all kinds of information, and yes, human nature is a little weird....we agree on that for certain.

So why not talk about it towards changing it for the better? Even if little by little??

Thanks

[jimisroom]

To that end:

I have said it many times before on this forum. We have already had Disclosure. The cat is already out of the bag. Anyone who is paying attention and who can critically think on their own already knows that for which many so desperately yearn. I am continually baffled as to why people feel it is necessary to have channels of official government propaganda validate the obvious?

As perplexing as it is, it is apparent many--if not most--people will refuse to believe the sky is blue until the government tells them it is so.

Completely agree. Was my point in mentioning Roswell. Was my point in mentioning other aspects of what disclosure actually is in one of the posts here.

My concern is that alot of the "Q" narrative has people convinced its just about jailing the Clintons, et al. "Q" should just be used as a reference tool...not a Bible.

People really wanting not drama, but real "disclosure" will find the clues and info you and I both just mentioned. The info is out there. Its more than out there.

Thanks.

Moving on to another thread before any more of my "questions" might be misunderstood as "trying to expose" something. lol I'm no ones enemy here. Cheers.

[T Smith]

My criticism of the reception of the Roswell information of COURSE doesnt apply to everyone who follows Q... I never accused anyone at Avalon of that. Pls dont put words in my mouth. The issue is the process "analysis" exercised by most responding... There was none. We could all do better.



Hi Jimisroom,

Thank you for clarifying.

I also didn't mean to imply your specific comments on groupthink were directed at anyone here at Avalon :). And, yes. I agree with your observations. Many are riding the wave without thinking, which is always problematic, especially when certain interests begin directing the rip tide.

[Clear Light]

Oh, so unless I've made a mistake, from looking at the Member List ordered by "Join Date", since Bill posted the An announcement for non-members about the Qanon information (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107747-An-announcement-for-non-members-about-the-Qanon-information) thread 7 days ago, there are now just 12 new members eh ?

:sherlock:

[Hervé]

A reminder from sometimes back about how psy-ops are engineered:


The following is an article by Jon Rappoport on how psy-ops work and how they are orchestrated in social engineering schemes and which I keep referencing here and there.

So here it is, in its own thread:

The disaster of manufactured consent in the Matrix (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81885-Psy-Ops-The-Orchestration-Of.&p=956960&viewfull=1#post956960)
by Jon Rappoport March 15, 2013
www.nomorefakenews.com (http://www.nomorefakenews.com/) [now defunct]

[...]

In the Matrix, there is pressure to have people connect their realities to each other. Why? Because groups can thus be created. Groups are easier to compromise than individuals.

We get the concept of hooked ideas. A hooked idea is one which will entice people to merge their realities into One. The hooked idea can be expressed as a slogan, a so-called meme, a principle. It is introduced by people who work psyops.

A psyop is a campaign to herd people into a place where their individual realities overlap.

For the propagandist, there is the eternal search for the good, better, and best hooking idea, the one that will collect the greatest possible number of people under one roof.

This has nothing to do with true progress or honest intent. It has everything to do with control.

[...]

This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED (http://marketplace.mybigcommerce.com/the-matrix-revealed-vol-1-cd-by-jon-rappoport-mega-info/)), explained this “psyop calculation”:


“The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

“If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

“A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

“We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

“We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…” [...]

This has less and less to do with personal reality.

Manufactured consent in the Matrix is a bit of a misnomer. Manufactured consent IS the Matrix, at the most profound level.

[...]

A great deal of history of the human race, littered as it is with suffering and pain and war and hunger, was produced by competing psyops.

Each side was utterly convinced that its ideals were superior. What neither side realized was that everybody, on all sides, was accepting a psyop substitute of their own personal reality. That was the big switch.

[...]

You could accurately write, on many gravestones: “I died for a psyop.”

[...]

Freedom? Democracy? The will of the people? A better future for all? Equality? Justice? These are merely concepts in search of ways to run psyops.

Jon Rappoport

[emphases mine]

[waves]

This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED (http://marketplace.mybigcommerce.com/the-matrix-revealed-vol-1-cd-by-jon-rappoport-mega-info/)), explained this “psyop calculation”:


“The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

“If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

“A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

“We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

“We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…” [...]




There.... it..... is...., plain english. Man, Herve, you have quite the impressive memory, frequently pulling this dead right astounding supportive/predictive stuff said long ago.

I've taken a lot of heat for accurately characterizing the militant Q defenders as immature, for Avalon tolerating their playground, for Q wreaking of religious/evangelical fervor and how the personalities involved hopelessly deluded - exactly what's described above, and it's just the plain, pathetic truth.

I am totally unapologetic for increasingly using in-your-face New York style plain english to call out extreme BS which has just gone on too long. I really wish Avalon would quit trying to invite discussion/debate with hopelessly deluded immature minds in an effort to restabilize Avalon inter-member respect. It's going to be years if ever that the minds/egos that were this vulnerable ever wake up and realize/admit why they personally fell so hard and what the clever mechanics were that roped them in.

[Jayke]

Psy-ops work most effectively when dupes start pushing a purposefully distorted map of reality, as though their distorted and biased perceptions, were reality itself. A lecture from Russia’s intelligence services explains how this 1 basic principle, has been used for world domination since Ancient Egypt.

kuf9d3sci-w


”The most tragic mistake any human can make, is to assume that their perception of reality, is reality itself!”
— Richard Bandler

[Cara]

Psy-ops work most effectively when dupes start pushing a purposefully distorted map of reality, as though their distorted and biased perceptions, were reality itself. A lecture from Russia’s intelligence services explains how this 1 basic principle, has been used for world domination since Ancient Egypt.

kuf9d3sci-w


”The most tragic mistake any human can make, is to assume that their version of reality, is reality itself!”
— Richard Bandler

Thank you!

This is a little challenging to watch due to the translation and difficult to read subtitling....but I am glad I watched through. It’s an excellent top to bottom exposition of the mechanisms of manipulation: an insightful, comprehensive and also simple arrangement.

[Jayke]

Psy-ops work most effectively when dupes start pushing a purposefully distorted map of reality, as though their distorted and biased perceptions, were reality itself. A lecture from Russia’s intelligence services explains how this 1 basic principle, has been used for world domination since Ancient Egypt.

kuf9d3sci-w


”The most tragic mistake any human can make, is to assume that their version of reality, is reality itself!”
— Richard Bandler

Thank you!

This is a little challenging to watch due to the translation and difficult to read subtitling....but I am glad I watched through. It’s an excellent top to bottom exposition of the mechanisms of manipulation: an insightful, comprehensive and also simple arrangement.

“Conceptual Power” as the Russians call it, far more effective than Hypnosis or NLP. No different than Heka to the Egyptians.

Project Avalon has been caught in the midst of deeper conceptual ideology wars that have been making rifts, not just on Avalon, but across the wider world.

The Integrity Initiative (https://mobile.twitter.com/InitIntegrity) (a liberal globalist propoganda think tank) published a report from the NSI (https://nsiteam.com), who are an intelligence analyst organisation specialising in multilayer assessments for the DoD.


NSI maintains an extensive Publications archive largely comprised of government-sponsored research and analysis products, various research efforts from our professional and technical staff, and a variety of corporate news items. The government-sponsored products are maintained on behalf of the US Department of Defense (DoD) Strategic Multilayer Assessment (SMA) program and address challenging national security problems and operational imperatives.

The report looked at the dominant ideologies between the western order and the new paradigm emerging from Russia. The two ideologies competing for Conceptual Power are described in chapter 1:


https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016b-a5a1-d241-adff-fdf908e00001




PART I. WHAT DRIVES RUSSIA’S GLOBAL INTERESTS AND STRATEGY?
Chapter 1. The Three Motivations for an Assertive Russian Grand Strategy
Abstract
The US’s agenda in Europe, as it has been for the better part of 80 years, is to promote and protect an international liberal order, including political, economic and societal liberalization. Spreading this agenda to Eastern Europe has proved challenging as Russia’s own political, economic and societal agenda within the region often opposes the Western ideal. One of the most significant sources of conflict (potential and real) between Russia and the US in Europe is the differing perceptions of how the global international system ought to be. The US sees Europe, Western, Central and Eastern, as part of the US-led liberal international order in which political, economic and societal liberalism promote a vibrant, dynamic and open system. Russia’s perception, however, is that the global international system ought to be a balance of powers where differing powers live and let live, where one power does not force its ideologies on the other. In this accounting, Eastern Europe (and even parts of Central Europe) were part of Russia’s sphere of influence and still ought to be. Russia has given every indication that they do not intend to back down in what was once their sphere of influence, and uses these differences as justification for its annexation of Crimea, support for separatists in Donbass, and continued support for frozen conflicts in Georgia, Moldova, and between Azerbaijan and Armenia. As such, the US faces the challenge of promoting its own agenda within Europe while not provoking Russia. This paper looks at potential road blocks to engaging Russia constructively, as well as potential avenues moving forward.

The highlighted red ideology of the Western powers is a good description of Clare Graves level 6 archetype, and the highlighted blue is a good description of the level 7 archetype. The same ideological rift that’s caused division across Avalon as I discussed here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107656-A-Place-for-Dialogue&p=1301192&viewfull=1#post1301192).

Putin has made statements recently that Liberal globalism is a concept that was ‘dead on arrival’.


https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/16/liberalism-s-zombies-resist-dr-putin-s-doa-diagnosis/


Joseph Farrell also mentioned in a recent article that there might be an unknown player behind the Epstein scandal (and hence the Q phenomenon, since Q has been the biggest driver of info warfare surrounding Epstein)


https://gizadeathstar.com/2019/07/the-epstein-affair/

I did post a speculation in this thread last week sometime... what if elements of Russian intelligence are working with elements in the NSA to bring about the end of the liberalist globalist order, and the two are working together. Could the Q psy-op be an element of Russia’s ‘asymmetric information warfare’ as a form of conceptual power over the ‘old guard’ of liberal globalists?

[jimisroom]

One “final” thought. I have to say this.

We continually create with our energy and consciousness.

An evil ET species won’t just come here and “invade”, like most Hollywood films like to portray.

An evil ET species WILL use various means to “infiltrate” societies and make them do what they want. They can and do “trick” the populace into giving their “consent”.

This includes “consent” for their rights, property, or even lives to be taken away is manufactured by orchestrating huge lies and manipulation. That’s what “war” is after all…and remember the opposing sides are often funded by the same forces.

Be careful what any movement is asking you to do…

In this case, the red flag is “martial law”. During the Bush and especially Obama administrations, a good deal of the rhetoric was a huge fear that they were going to impose martial law. I heard over and over and over again that President Obama was going to impose martial law and “take away the guns”.

Now its 2019, and we have an alarming amount of people actually “calling” for martial law!

Because they “think” this martial law will only be about arresting Ms. Clinton and some pedophiles… But how can they be certain of this?

When martial law is established, its pretty much indefinite. You will live in a literal police state. If your blood pressure goes up now when your line is too long at Walmart or while getting gas, can you imagine what it will be like going through 5 to 15 security checkpoints a day….to get into a store, to walk down the street, to drive into a different area of town? Would you like the possibility of being arrested and detained for anything at anytime? Do you really think this “martial law” will only apply to a few people? With the way security and intelligence has expanded since 911, our “freedom” will disappear overnight and it will be a living hell. Interestingly Barbara Marciniak…Pleiadian channeler…has even warned of this quite earnestly recently… Is this what we really want?


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=41140&d=1563290922

This is a "real" wall that I took a photo of at 12. It scared the hell out of me. I imagine it scared the German friends we had living in W Berlin, on the "free" side of the wall whom we were visiting as well. I knew that for sure when we relocated to the back of their garden suddenly when the conversation got a little "dangerous"...they were still afraid their house was bugged because they still had relatives in the East.

A “wall” is not what you want. It would make the above one look like child’s play, and will only make you feel worse.

Please….be careful what you are being engineered to “consent” to.

And yes, I urge again, just “be careful” with this stuff. If something doesn’t sound right, please ask questions. Anyone participating in the movement always has the propensity to transmute the toxicity and redirect into something positive that benefits us all.

[ulli]

One “final” thought. I have to say this.

We continually create with our energy and consciousness.

An evil ET species won’t just come here and “invade”, like most Hollywood films like to portray.

An evil ET species WILL use various means to “infiltrate” societies and make them do what they want. They can and do “trick” the populace into giving their “consent”.

This includes “consent” for their rights, property, or even lives to be taken away is manufactured by orchestrating huge lies and manipulation. That’s what “war” is after all…and remember the opposing sides are often funded by the same forces.

Be careful what any movement is asking you to do…

In this case, the red flag is “martial law”. During the Bush and especially Obama administrations, a good deal of the rhetoric was a huge fear that they were going to impose martial law. I heard over and over and over again that President Obama was going to impose martial law and “take away the guns”.

Now its 2019, and we have an alarming amount of people actually “calling” for martial law!

Because they “think” this martial law will only be about arresting Ms. Clinton and some pedophiles… But how can they be certain of this?

When martial law is established, its pretty much indefinite. You will live in a literal police state. If your blood pressure goes up now when your line is too long at Walmart or while getting gas, can you imagine what it will be like going through 5 to 15 security checkpoints a day….to get into a store, to walk down the street, to drive into a different area of town? Would you like the possibility of being arrested and detained for anything at anytime? Do you really think this “martial law” will only apply to a few people? With the way security and intelligence has expanded since 911, our “freedom” will disappear overnight and it will be a living hell. Interestingly Barbara Marciniak…Pleiadian channeler…has even warned of this quite earnestly recently… Is this what we really want?


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=41140&d=1563290922

This is a "real" wall that I took a photo of at 12. It scared the hell out of me. I imagine it scared the German friends we had living in W Berlin, on the "free" side of the wall whom we were visiting as well. I knew that for sure when we relocated to the back of their garden suddenly when the conversation got a little "dangerous"...they were still afraid their house was bugged because they still had relatives in the East.

A “wall” is not what you want. It would make the above one look like child’s play, and will only make you feel worse.

Please….be careful what you are being engineered to “consent” to.

And yes, I urge again, just “be careful” with this stuff. If something doesn’t sound right, please ask questions. Anyone participating in the movement always has the propensity to transmute the toxicity and redirect into something positive that benefits us all.

I get what you are saying, but I believe there is a slight difference between a wall that is designed to keep people in, as in trap, from one that is designed to keep people out as in protectice wall, especially if they want to enter using force.
Being gate crashed has never been my thing.

[Cara]

...
“Conceptual Power” as the Russians call it, far more effective than Hypnosis or NLP. No different than Heka to the Egyptians.

Project Avalon has been caught in the midst of deeper conceptual ideology wars that have been making rifts, not just on Avalon, but across the wider world.

The Integrity Initiative (https://mobile.twitter.com/InitIntegrity) (a liberal globalist propoganda think tank) published a report from the NSI (https://nsiteam.com), who are an intelligence analyst organisation specialising in multilayer assessments for the DoD.


NSI maintains an extensive Publications archive largely comprised of government-sponsored research and analysis products, various research efforts from our professional and technical staff, and a variety of corporate news items. The government-sponsored products are maintained on behalf of the US Department of Defense (DoD) Strategic Multilayer Assessment (SMA) program and address challenging national security problems and operational imperatives.

The report looked at the dominant ideologies between the western order and the new paradigm emerging from Russia. The two ideologies competing for Conceptual Power are described in chapter 1:


https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016b-a5a1-d241-adff-fdf908e00001




PART I. WHAT DRIVES RUSSIA’S GLOBAL INTERESTS AND STRATEGY?
Chapter 1. The Three Motivations for an Assertive Russian Grand Strategy
Abstract
The US’s agenda in Europe, as it has been for the better part of 80 years, is to promote and protect an international liberal order, including political, economic and societal liberalization. Spreading this agenda to Eastern Europe has proved challenging as Russia’s own political, economic and societal agenda within the region often opposes the Western ideal. One of the most significant sources of conflict (potential and real) between Russia and the US in Europe is the differing perceptions of how the global international system ought to be. The US sees Europe, Western, Central and Eastern, as part of the US-led liberal international order in which political, economic and societal liberalism promote a vibrant, dynamic and open system. Russia’s perception, however, is that the global international system ought to be a balance of powers where differing powers live and let live, where one power does not force its ideologies on the other. In this accounting, Eastern Europe (and even parts of Central Europe) were part of Russia’s sphere of influence and still ought to be. Russia has given every indication that they do not intend to back down in what was once their sphere of influence, and uses these differences as justification for its annexation of Crimea, support for separatists in Donbass, and continued support for frozen conflicts in Georgia, Moldova, and between Azerbaijan and Armenia. As such, the US faces the challenge of promoting its own agenda within Europe while not provoking Russia. This paper looks at potential road blocks to engaging Russia constructively, as well as potential avenues moving forward.

The highlighted red ideology of the Western powers is a good description of Clare Graves level 6 archetype, and the highlighted blue is a good description of the level 7 archetype. The same ideological rift that’s caused division across Avalon as I discussed here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107656-A-Place-for-Dialogue&p=1301192&viewfull=1#post1301192).

Putin has made statements recently that Liberal globalism is a concept that was ‘dead on arrival’.


https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/16/liberalism-s-zombies-resist-dr-putin-s-doa-diagnosis/


Joseph Farrell also mentioned in a recent article that there might be an unknown player behind the Epstein scandal (and hence the Q phenomenon, since Q has been the biggest driver of info warfare surrounding Epstein)


https://gizadeathstar.com/2019/07/the-epstein-affair/

I did post a speculation in this thread last week sometime... what if elements of Russian intelligence are working with elements in the NSA to bring about the end of the liberalist globalist order, and the two are working together. Could the Q psy-op be an element of Russia’s ‘asymmetric information warfare’ as a form of conceptual power over the ‘old guard’ of liberal globalists?

Thanks for the link to the Politico hosted NSI multilayer report. I must admit I view it with some suspicion because it’s a WESTERN view of Russia’s thinking. Most of the western reports on Russia I’ve read (where they are not outright propaganda) seem to start from a zero-sum-game position, which I think is a flawed baseline assumption.

I do agree that Russia seems to have a “live and let live” approach which is sometimes combined with realpolitik actions to create stability in its geographical environment. In an ironic “reversal” of the western zero-sum game approach, they seem to have an asymmetrical tit-for-tat response strategy to what they see as western provocations. In addition, they appear to be aiming to frustrate western efforts to re-establish (unipolar) dominance. Also, from my reading of The Saker’s articles (http://thesaker.is/category/breaking-articles/saker-analyses-interviews/) and his website commenters over time, I would say there is a kind of “spiritual” component to Russia’s approach but I don’t understand it well enough to articulate it.

~~~

On your speculation, it’s possible that there is some kind of intelligence collaboration going on that involves Russia’s FSB and USA’s NSA. In this vein, it might be useful to consider Chinese, French or German intelligence: there is after all a long-standing, somewhat hidden, economic war going on between the US and Germany (/EU) - maybe a new front was just opened?

Given the way the western media is running with this, I interpret this as a western power sanctioned activity. This view is simply based on looking at who owns the mainstream media outlets.

I listened to Joseph Farrell’s most recent discussions with Catherine Austin Fitts (https://home.solari.com/dialogue-with-dr-joseph-p-farrell-on-fasab-56-government-without-accounting/) (his website members only unfortunately) and their speculation seems to be that the Anglo American alliance has now achieved a more effective mechanism of control (FASAB56 and connectivity-driven technocracy) and therefore they are “rolling up” and “cleaning up” a previous mechanism of control: the corruption and bribery of officials / influencers using control files / kompromat (which mechanism Catherine Austin Fitts characterises as very expensive).

~~~

Apologies, these comments are not on topic. Perhaps they might better fit in another thread - something related to Epstein or Geopolitics? There doesn’t seem to be a good one, maybe a new one?

:focus:

[Jayke]

On your speculation, it’s possible that there is some kind of intelligence collaboration going on that involves Russia’s FSB and USA’s NSA. In this vein, it might be useful to consider Chinese, French or German intelligence: there is after all a long-standing, somewhat hidden, economic war going on between the US and Germany (/EU) - maybe a new front was just opened?

Given the way the western media is running with this, I interpret this as a western power sanctioned activity. This view is simply based on looking at who owns the mainstream media outlets.

I listened to Joseph Farrell’s most recent discussions with Catherine Austin Fitts (his website members only unfortunately) and their speculation seems to be that the Anglo American alliance has now achieved a more effective mechanism of control (FASAB56 and connectivity-driven technocracy) and therefore they are “rolling up” and “cleaning up” a previous mechanism of control: the corruption and bribery of officials / influencers using control files / kompromat (which mechanism Catherine Austin Fitts characterises as very expensive).

I actually watched that presentation in the Giza members area yesterday morning. I couldn’t help but link it to what astrologers have been warning about a new Saturn-Jupiter synodic cycle beginning in 2020, what they describe as ‘the great transformation’ or ‘the great societal reset’.

Nick Fiorenza points out that the last time this planetary cycle played out was the precise time the knights Templar were rounded up, attacked and ultimately dispersed from France over 700 years ago:


https://www.lunarplanner.com/2020/index.html


It is interesting to note that King Philip IV of France (b. 1268 d. 1314) became King Philip I of Navaree in 1284 (through his marriage with Joan I, the queen regnant of Navarre), the exact time of the last Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto synodic confluence, which occurred during the Uranus-Pluto opposition; and that he accuses, arrests, and overthrows the Templars in 1305, the exact time of the Jupiter and Saturn synods with the Uranus-Neptune synod.

The FASAB56 and the Q movement do seem like a similar restructuring of deep state politics that occurred 700 years ago, with one particular faction of the deep state being rounded up, hung and quartered — while other aspects of the machinery consolidate, restructure and march onwards.

Catherine Austin Fitts did make a brief comment in the presentation on the FASAB56 that gave me pause for thought, in that the FASAB56 will be used to make the western powers attack on the Silk Road project more fluid and dynamic (my paraphrase, can’t remember her exact words).

The Saturn vs Jupiter dynamic seems quite fitting. The Saturnalian cult (Western powers) vs Zeus-Ammon (old Byzantium Eastern powers). The great transformation that occurs as those powers compete for dominance might create opportunities that’ll take everyone by surprise, whether that works out for better or for worse is yet to be seen. Although my personal opinion is that the earth and its inhabitants make up a complex system whose counter opposing forces ultimately hold each other in check, so that things don’t sway too far to one extreme or other. Good and evil inevitably clash against each other in a dynamic tension of creativity, drama and progress, and where life always prevails in one shape or form or another.


https://www.lunarplanner.com/2020/index.html


All these are interactive cycles. It is most certain to say that new disruptive technologies (not exclusive to but certainly including the internet and associated technologies) will begin to avalanche throughout the turn of this decade that will create radical change in sociopolitics and in the nature of economics and currencies. This can already be seen in the development of the IPv6 next-generation internet1, decentralized computing networks like Dweb (P2P Websites)2, and in the current application of an incorruptible economic layer to the current internet using Blockchain, Tangle, and the more advanced Hashgraph "Distributed Ledger Technologies"3), which make possible cryptocurrencies—secure cross-border, peer-to-peer and micro economic transactions without dispersing resources and giving control to third party banks, corporations and government bureaucracies—and which, along with eventual advances in computer and communications technologies, will avalanche into the formation of an entirely new sociopolitical-economic-technological paradigm, surely to emerge throughout the 2020s.

The disruption of our old world paradigm and the birthing of a new is at hand. Participating as if things are going to continue in the same way will result in wasted efforts, and worse yet, will leave us evolving lives based upon infrastructures that may no longer exist in the very near future.

[AutumnW]

Q ramps up compulsion by dropping bread crumbs that adherents feverishly try to piece together to construct a coherent meaningful whole. What they are really doing, speaking of bread, is seeing the face of Jesus in a piece of toast. Though, in this case there is just enough that is verifiably true in the 'drops' that it helps keep the disinfo game going.

Nobody here engages anybody in games that people have to puzzle over to extract meaning. Farrel doesn't do this. Avalon doesn't do this.

This is the salient feature that distinguishes Q from other disinformation campaigns, advertising campaigns, etc. It's really quite brilliant and I applaud those who started it. They understand human nature very well.

[Matthew]

...
Nobody here engages anybody in games that people have to puzzle over to extract meaning. Farrel doesn't do this. Avalon doesn't do this.

This is the salient feature that distinguishes Q from other disinformation campaigns, advertising campaigns, etc. It's really quite brilliant and I applaud those who started it. They understand human nature very well.

The Q posts rely on Socratic Method, and the live Q chat, in my opinion, degenerated into more obvious Socratic Method Trolling.... a bedrock trolling technique of /b-tards. It is argued deep in the corners of anonymous culture that Socrates was a famous in-real-life troll, and invented the science of lulz (trolling for fun). To be fair, I think they have a point.

:cocktail:

[Andrew_K]

Update via Adam Gingrich, president of MAGA Coalition:



JohnWickofPolitics (https://twitter.com/Gingrich_of_PA/status/1153788847420874753?s=20) @Gingrich_of_PA
On March 25-26th, #QAnon chose to libel the MAGA Coalition by asserting demonstrably false allegations of fraud. #Q chose unwisely. Now the subpoena power of the US Federal court system will be used to identify the perpetrators. #SuingQanon



MAGA Coalition to Sue QAnon in Multiple Jurisdictions (https://magacoalition.com/maga-coalition-to-sue-qanon-in-multiple-jurisdictions/)

You can read about the potential identity of the Q-poster who defamed MAGA Coalition here:



Inside the feud between the internet’s biggest Q supporter and a pro-MAGA PAC (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/praying-medic-maga-coalition-qanon/)

Hopefully this lawsuit marks the end of the Q LARP and the beginning of Q-gate, in which Q followers learn that they have been strung along by a handful of grifters posing as researchers. They will have a rude awakening when they realize how misled they were by the people they trusted the most. Many will wake up, yet others will remain in the Qult, desperately clinging to the notion that the grifters identified as the 8chan LARPers were nothing but patsies put in place so that the "white hats" can continue operating out of sight.

Internet illiteracy plays a major part in people's tendency to believe in fake news, which is why you don’t see many millennials following Q and treating the chans as the last bastion of free speech on the internet. The chans are known exclusively for their trolls and for their depravity.

[Kalamos]

QAnon and the Emergence of the Unreal (https://jods.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/tliexqdu)

Good article. I like the last two paragraphs:


Is Q a dissident intelligent agent in the President’s inner circle? A team of agents? Or perhaps President Trump himself? Is he (or she or they) a profit-making operation put together by opportunistic 4Chan trolls? A giant prank that has grown wildly out of control? A real-life role play, or LARP, as some QAnons like to describe it? Is Q a Psyops effort, designed to keep up the spirit of Trump’s most ardent supporters as the President struggles to drain the swamp as he promised them he would do? Is Q an international disinformation operation designed to further pull apart the left and the right much as the Internet Research Agency sought to pull apart Black Lives Matter or the LGBTQ community?

The answer: Q is all of this and more. All of this for the simple reason that somewhere, someone believes this interpretation of Q, and is working to impose that reality on the rest of us. This war between realities is the landscape we find ourselves collectively navigating. It is our task to understand how we act as individuals and citizens in a world where the emergent mode of discourse is not to persuade someone of your interpretation of the facts, but to recruit them to your own reality. Our ultimate challenge is not only to navigate this space but, at best, to heal and transform it.

-----------

And a short response (https://jods.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/phgxczkb) from some other fellow reads:


"Apophenia" refers to the idea of making connections between previously unconnected ideas. Unlike the concept of learning, apophenia suggests a cognitive disorder because the connections made are not real. They are imaginary. People see patterns that don't exist and devise elaborate internally coherent explanations for non-sensical notions. Like the cognitive process of apophenia, the social mechanisms of conspiratorial thinking are rooted in reality. It's the pattern that's non-existant. But the pattern gets written into collective consciousness through repetition. The more that it is repeated, the more people feel the need to self-investigate. And once you are looking for patterns, it's not hard for the collective hive mind to think that they exist. While schizophrenia may be an individual cogntitive disorder, networks of people can also produce collective delusions with devastating effects.

The power of QAnon is not in its factual evidence, but in participants' desperate desire to find meaning and power in society. While teenagers are embracing Escape Rooms to feel the rush of piecing together clues, a subset of adults are scouring social media to build a coherent framework around contemporary politics that connects the dots in a fashion that is legible to them. From the outside, it looks completely unreal, but on the inside, it feels quite real. This is not because any single piece of information is real, but because the process of doubt and discovery is invigorating. It feels like gambling based on lucky numbers or going all-in on a grand theory of life, the universe, and everything.

There is little doubt that many powerful interests benefit from unreality, conspiracy, and apophenia. But we also have to recognize that those who are caught up in unreality also benefit. Some find meaning and purpose. Many find community. As we seek to combat the problematic outcomes of unreality, we must also wrestle with how to replace the personal and social benefits that participants gain. After all, history is replete with mystical beliefs.

[waves]

Update via Adam Gingrich, president of MAGA Coalition:



JohnWickofPolitics (https://twitter.com/Gingrich_of_PA/status/1153788847420874753?s=20) @Gingrich_of_PA
On March 25-26th, #QAnon chose to libel the MAGA Coalition by asserting demonstrably false allegations of fraud. #Q chose unwisely. Now the subpoena power of the US Federal court system will be used to identify the perpetrators. #SuingQanon



MAGA Coalition to Sue QAnon in Multiple Jurisdictions (https://magacoalition.com/maga-coalition-to-sue-qanon-in-multiple-jurisdictions/)

You can read about the potential identity of the Q-poster who defamed MAGA Coalition here:



Inside the feud between the internet’s biggest Q supporter and a pro-MAGA PAC (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/praying-medic-maga-coalition-qanon/)

Hopefully this lawsuit marks the end of the Q LARP and the beginning of Q-gate, in which Q followers learn that they have been strung along by a handful of grifters posing as researchers. They will have a rude awakening when they realize how misled they were by the people they trusted the most. Many will wake up, yet others will remain in the Qult, desperately clinging to the notion that the grifters identified as the 8chan LARPers were nothing but patsies put in place so that the "white hats" can continue operating out of sight.

Internet illiteracy plays a major part in people's tendency to believe in fake news, which is why you don’t see many millennials following Q and treating the chans as the last bastion of free speech on the internet. The chans are known exclusively for their trolls and for their depravity.

I posted this very telling event on April 4 immediately after it happened and first put it on the pro-Q thread. Preying Medic's childish pettiness made for a dead giveaway of him as at least one of the people posting as/controlling Q but Paul the gatekeeper kicked my post off that thread and put it on this one since I guess it had no relevance there whatsoever: Link to Post #367

Looks like both those videos are now missing, but it was about how Adam Gingrich/MAGA Coalition was calling out Preying Medic.... and magically 'Q' suddenly called out MAGA coalition right when Preying could use it. Does anyone know how many 'dreams' Preying Medic also had of Jesus, Trump or Cleopatra confirming to him that Q of course was directed by God to take a stand on his behalf against the evil Adam Gingrich? I think I remember some references like that.


added: even 'anonymous' distancing itself and saying enough is enough...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncLbyQIUi4g[/IMG]

[AutumnW]

Here's a little thought experiment. Nobody reading this has to agree or disagree, it's just a thought I had last night.

What if there is a strong Christian fundamentalist contingent within the U.S military who wants to implement martial law at some point. Unfortunately for them they are up against a heavily armed population increasingly hostile to authority.

Say you are a general, one of a few who has tasked military intelligence to help change up the dynamics to soften the ground beforehand. How does military intelligence respond? You want the armed populace to believe that the soldiers marching down their streets are there to liberate children and round up pedophiles. That would work. Who'd interfere with that programme....if they believed that was the case.

Those who have never placed much stock in atrocity propaganda, can see through it...but they aren't a problem because most of them don't have guns!

Of course I think there is a possibility that this is actually happening. And if it is, it's a beautiful thing, from a trickster perspective. It is SO easy to dupe people.

[AutumnW]

The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

[Kalamos]

The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

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I don't believe most of the claims of satanic ritual child abuse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse) and pedophilia that proliferates the alternative media world. I believe it's literally hysteria (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria) and people with false memories most often obtained through hypnosis. I know pedophilia happens (Catholic Church, Epstein, etc), but I seriously doubt the claims Qanon makes about so many high ranking Democrats and other big names being involved.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/why-are-right-wing-conspiracies-so-obsessed-with-pedophilia/)

snip:

The story is the same, from the day-care panics to QAnon: It’s not really about the kids. It’s about fears of a changing social order.

snip:

The McMartin preschool scandal of the 1980s was a sort of analog version of the more recent Pizzagate, part of a lurid and misbegotten moral panic about subterranean child abuse. Even though the supposed crimes unfolded thousands of miles and several decades apart, under very different circumstances, the two conspiracy theories share the same rough contours. The McMartin saga, which began in 1983 with accusations made by one boy’s mother, came to encompass fantastical claims about a massive pedophile ring lurking beneath a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California. Pizza­gate was concocted during the 2016 presidential campaign and alleged that prominent figures in the Democratic Party were running a child sex ring in tunnels beneath the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in a residential Washington, DC, neighborhood. Both spun off into new theories: Amid a full-on national hysteria, McMartin spawned a series of day-care conspiracies, while Pizzagate has led to QAnon, an even wilder conspiracy theory that postulates that President Donald Trump is on the verge of arresting a throng of liberal elites for facilitating and participating in a sprawling child sex ring. Both drew on natural fears about child safety and supercharged them into national phenomena with real-world ramifications. Both of course were fictions.

Read the whole article here (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/why-are-right-wing-conspiracies-so-obsessed-with-pedophilia/)

[Matthew]

Q does become a 5th column in how a few lies contaminate the landscape of truth, but the work of Jon Wedger, which has nothing to do with Q, suggests there is a 'pretend it's not there' problem with child abuse. So those people that said Q was counter-productive, this is where they might have a point

[Ratszinger]

The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

When have NAZIS been hard right? Socialistic radical left wing is NAZI not right. I think you have it twisted. Brown shirts are NAZI! Where are your eyes?

[Jayke]

Q is all about saving the children. Not just the children being physically abused, but also the ones being intellectually indoctrinated into radical Marxist ideology. ‘Thinking logically’ is the salve that ends the corrosive madness that threatens classical western traditions and values.

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[mountain_jim]

Here's a little thought experiment. Nobody reading this has to agree or disagree, it's just a thought I had last night.

What if there is a strong Christian fundamentalist contingent within the U.S military who wants to implement martial law at some point. Unfortunately for them they are up against a heavily armed population increasingly hostile to authority.

Say you are a general, one of a few who has tasked military intelligence to help change up the dynamics to soften the ground beforehand. How does military intelligence respond? You want the armed populace to believe that the soldiers marching down their streets are there to liberate children and round up pedophiles. That would work. Who'd interfere with that programme....if they believed that was the case.

Those who have never placed much stock in atrocity propaganda, can see through it...but they aren't a problem because most of them don't have guns!

Of course I think there is a possibility that this is actually happening. And if it is, it's a beautiful thing, from a trickster perspective. It is SO easy to dupe people.

As someone who finds value and significance in the Q-anon information exposing process, I agree this is a valid concern and one I share in that it is one possible outcome.

Once I determined this was not all a hoax or a larp, but a process to bypass the MSM used by apparent military intelligence insiders, then the end-game result of all this could go several ways, not all of them good.

There are stories out there that indicate the 'white hats' were considering a military coup, and decided to work within the system (for the most part, I believe unconstitutional NSA info gathering is used also) to effect change.

The idea of military trials for civilians is a valid concern also, and I do not get warm feelings over the idea that NSA spying on all is a main tool to help effect these changes.

If the process never leads to exposing the truth about 9/11 then it will not have succeeded, in my view.

It's very frustrating to know so much that is MSM reported and maintained to keep the populace in check is controlled lies, and big tech is controlling search results as well.

As I discussed with Paul, waking up folks to the 'hidden hands' in our world leadership and MSM lies is a process that can not be firewalled away from awakening to 9/11 truths as well, in my hoped-for view.

With that said, all of the above is not a reason to ignore this psyop or denigrate those who share these concerns who are following it, as that point of view needs to be included for consideration in the information evaluation process while it is ongoing.

The level of systemic corruption in the US deep state and globalist wealth centers is so great, growing steadily since at least the creation of the CIA and the removal of JFK, that I sense that some form of major change was/is needed, and have hopes that this process is leading to that in a positive way.

Time will tell.

[AutumnW]

Wrong Ratzinger. Nazis were fascists. Hard right. They were opposed to the left of their day, actual Communists.

[AutumnW]

Here's a little thought experiment. Nobody reading this has to agree or disagree, it's just a thought I had last night.

What if there is a strong Christian fundamentalist contingent within the U.S military who wants to implement martial law at some point. Unfortunately for them they are up against a heavily armed population increasingly hostile to authority.

Say you are a general, one of a few who has tasked military intelligence to help change up the dynamics to soften the ground beforehand. How does military intelligence respond? You want the armed populace to believe that the soldiers marching down their streets are there to liberate children and round up pedophiles. That would work. Who'd interfere with that programme....if they believed that was the case.

Those who have never placed much stock in atrocity propaganda, can see through it...but they aren't a problem because most of them don't have guns!

Of course I think there is a possibility that this is actually happening. And if it is, it's a beautiful thing, from a trickster perspective. It is SO easy to dupe people.

As someone who finds value and significance in the Q-anon information exposing process, I agree this is a valid concern and one I share in that it is one possible outcome.

Once I determined this was not all a hoax or a larp, but a process to bypass the MSM used by apparent military intelligence insiders, then the end-game result of all this could go several ways, not all of them good.

There are stories out there that indicate the 'white hats' were considering a military coup, and decided to work within the system (for the most part, I believe unconstitutional NSA info gathering is used also) to effect change.

The idea of military trials for civilians is a valid concern also, and I do not get warm feelings over the idea that NSA spying on all is a main tool to help effect these changes.

If the process never leads to exposing the truth about 9/11 then it will not have succeeded, in my view.

It's very frustrating to know so much that is MSM reported and maintained to keep the populace in check is controlled lies, and big tech is controlling search results as well.

As I discussed with Paul, waking up folks to the 'hidden hands' in our world leadership and MSM lies is a process that can not be firewalled away from awakening to 9/11 truths as well, in my hoped-for view.

With that said, all of the above is not a reason to ignore this psyop or denigrate those who share these concerns who are following it, as that point of view needs to be included for consideration in the information evaluation process while it is ongoing.

The level of systemic corruption in the US deep state and globalist wealth centers is so great, growing steadily since at least the creation of the CIA and the removal of JFK, that I sense that some form of major change was/is needed, and have hopes that this process is leading to that in a positive way.

Time will tell.

That is a very balanced response. Thank you. If others involved with Q kept open minds, understanding that Q might just be part of the problem and not a solution, it would help. They don't have to believe it, just keep that idea on the back burner! :heart:

[AutumnW]

Q does become a 5th column in how a few lies contaminate the landscape of truth, but the work of Jon Wedger, which has nothing to do with Q, suggests there is a 'pretend it's not there' problem with child abuse. So those people that said Q was counter-productive, this is where they might have a point

Absolutely. I was reading Levenda's books over 20 years ago. I think there are pedophiles out there and the problems do go right to the top. The criminal justice systems are likely infiltrated, to some degree. The problem with any phenomenon that operates in the shadows is just that, it is shadowy and hard to make out clear lines of responsibility and guilt. Shadowy realms are where all kinds of crap takes place, including major myth making too.

If somebody is inferring they know where all the bodies are buried, for eg, I want to know how they know and if they are involved, lying to me, etc... I am sure as heck not going to follow them blindly. Metaphorically speaking, I don't want to be the little kid who climbs into a complete stranger's car just because they promise to take me to the circus.

[Ratszinger]

Wrong Ratzinger. Nazis were fascists. Hard right. They were opposed to the left of their day, actual Communists.

No you are wrong. Even Hitler said for example, in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” I started to add more but will just say Hitler condemned Jews also, and the right you accuse of being NAZIs is all for Israel. So they couldn't be NAZI's of the Jews would be avoiding them.

[AutumnW]

The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

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I don't buy most of the hysterical claims of satanic ritual child abuse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse) and pedophilia that proliferates the alternative media world. I believe it's literally hysteria and people with false memories most often obtained through hypnosis. I know pedophilia happens (Catholic Church, Epstein, etc), but I seriously doubt the claims Qanon makes about so many high ranking Democrats and other big names being involved.

Why Are Right-Wing Conspiracies so Obsessed With Pedophilia? (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/why-are-right-wing-conspiracies-so-obsessed-with-pedophilia/)

snip:

The story is the same, from the day-care panics to QAnon: It’s not really about the kids. It’s about fears of a changing social order.

snip:

The McMartin preschool scandal of the 1980s was a sort of analog version of the more recent Pizzagate, part of a lurid and misbegotten moral panic about subterranean child abuse. Even though the supposed crimes unfolded thousands of miles and several decades apart, under very different circumstances, the two conspiracy theories share the same rough contours. The McMartin saga, which began in 1983 with accusations made by one boy’s mother, came to encompass fantastical claims about a massive pedophile ring lurking beneath a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California. Pizza­gate was concocted during the 2016 presidential campaign and alleged that prominent figures in the Democratic Party were running a child sex ring in tunnels beneath the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in a residential Washington, DC, neighborhood. Both spun off into new theories: Amid a full-on national hysteria, McMartin spawned a series of day-care conspiracies, while Pizzagate has led to QAnon, an even wilder conspiracy theory that postulates that President Donald Trump is on the verge of arresting a throng of liberal elites for facilitating and participating in a sprawling child sex ring. Both drew on natural fears about child safety and supercharged them into national phenomena with real-world ramifications. Both of course were fictions.

Read the whole article here (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/why-are-right-wing-conspiracies-so-obsessed-with-pedophilia/)

Very interesting. Thank you! I don't totally agree with the slant, filtered a little too much through the gender issues lens, but the author makes several good points in the article. We are hysterically concerned about the safety of children these days---to the point we are probably doing them a disservice by keeping them bubble wrapped in a way. They need to get out and be more free range.

There were a few different forces at play in the 70's surrounding the McMartin preschool fiasco that contributed to the hysteria. One of those was the centuries long dismissal of childhood revelation of sexual abuse. And it was mothers who ignored or covered up what their own children were telling them.

So by the time the 70's rolled around and women had to work and leave their kids in poorly run, under regulated day care, it created a perfect storm. Over compensation by mothers who may have been ignored by their own mothers likely played a key role.

[AutumnW]

Wrong Ratzinger. Nazis were fascists. Hard right. They were opposed to the left of their day, actual Communists.

No you are wrong. Even Hitler said for example, in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” I started to add more but will just say Hitler condemned Jews also, and the right you accuse of being NAZIs is all for Israel. So they couldn't be NAZI's of the Jews would be avoiding them.

Hitler was fibbing. He was a fascist. Fascists wish to control the means of production which is what happened under Hitler. War economies tend to be that way. That is what is most concerning about the U.S. "Private" contractors like Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics are so much a part of the fabric of government they have become indistinguishable. But, i won't lecture you. You understand all this. He mentions that he wishes to destroy capitalism. Focus on that. It's the ultimate goal of a corporatocracy composed of oligopolies which is by no means, of the left.

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Wrong Ratzinger. Nazis were fascists. Hard right. They were opposed to the left of their day, actual Communists.

No you are wrong. Even Hitler said for example, in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” I started to add more but will just say Hitler condemned Jews also, and the right you accuse of being NAZIs is all for Israel. So they couldn't be NAZI's of the Jews would be avoiding them.

And may I add preemptively...."I know you are, but what am I?":handshake:

[Ratszinger]

I suppose Hitler was fibbing about killing off Jews too then? You are dead wrong trying to make history fit your narrative. The facts speak for themselves. IF Trump was a NAZI the PM of Israel wouldn't even give him the time of day yet he praises Trump at every turn unlike he did for ??? Barrack Obama!

[AutumnW]

I suppose Hitler was fibbing about killing off Jews too then? You are dead wrong trying to make history fit your narrative. The facts speak for themselves. IF Trump was a NAZI the PM of Israel wouldn't even give him the time of day yet he praises Trump at every turn unlike he did for ??? Barrack Obama!

Netanyahoo has strong hard right tendencies so there is no incompatability there. Gaza is an open air concentration camp. Check it out.

[AutumnW]

"'Nazi' is the short name. The full name for the 'Nazi' party was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" ("Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" in German).

The fact that the far-right party contained 'socialist' in the name was a rebranding gambit to draw workers away from communism and into populist nationalism.

Despite this, the populist nationalists that support the likes of Donald Trump, regularly take the oportunity to remind modern day liberal or left-leaning critics of white-supremacists and neo-nazis that 'Socialism' was included in the Nazi party name.

Hitler's party positioned as a left-wing organisation based on his rhetoric, rather than his actions, espoused in the 1920s and 1930s to disenfranchised workers frustrated with what they perceived as a two-tier society.

Neither left or right wing want to be known as the side of the political spectrum that Hitler was on, and both sides would argue he was on the other, politically speaking.

One such incident occurred recently on Twitter."

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001

[Jayke]

Mike Stuchberry is a self confessed history “writer”, AutumnW, notice they don’t label him “teacher”. He’s a professional Antifa troll on twitter with dubious connections to the George Soros funded Hope not Hate (https://m.facebook.com/logged_out/watch/?video_id=777078072501529&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F&_rdr) propoganda organisation.

Mike Stuchberry couldn’t school a turnip.
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Whereas Joseph Farrell is the one who first asserted to me that the Nazis were a left-wing organisation. Feel free to email him yourself. He’s brought it up several times in his members only vidchats.