Q Revealed??

[waves]

Sorry to start another Q thread but it's really necessary. The other recently new one which instantly splayed off into many same arguments and whose title invites discussion about the identity of Q is moot because the answer has been revealed.

This is the post-revelation thread of who Q has been.
(added: I apologize for and have corrected some things I originally misunderstood in RED)

Unirock posted this analysis, a thorough plain english explanation of the evolution of Q identifying who the main players have been and reads a confession by one of the creators (not Unirock) who states why he quit and is coming forward to expose and apologize. (this analysis and confession was previously posted and virtually ignored on the other new thread.)

Please only post here if you agree that questions about the identity(s) of Q is over, and want to add and/or discuss information stemming from this revelation.

This analysis and confession is a mandatory video to watch please before any posting. Thank you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKSUlfT_MnM

[robinr1]

ridiculous request and fake news video. congrats.

[Bill Ryan]

fake news video.

Do we know that? That's an honest question.

Please help us out. It's a serious topic, not aided by anyone's one-sentence dismissal.

[robinr1]

fake news video.

Do we know that? That's an honest question.

Please help us out. It's a serious topic, not aided by anyone's one-sentence dismissal.



what could I post to 100 percent satisfy the idea that the video is indeed fake news? im guessing nothing. therefore im not even going to try.

I agree it is a very serious topic. he gave his thoughts on the matter and I gave mine.

[Bill Ryan]

fake news video.

Do we know that? That's an honest question.

Please help us out. It's a serious topic, not aided by anyone's one-sentence dismissal.

what could I post to 100 percent satisfy the idea that the video is indeed fake news? im guessing nothing. therefore im not even going to try.

I agree it is a very serious topic. he gave his thoughts on the matter and I gave mine.

Yes — but do you have anything of value to offer to help people learn and decide for themselves? I think you should try.

When I asked why you felt it was 'fake news' (your word), it was an honest question. So then I could watch it one more time and at the same time bear your points in mind. This is how we all learn.

'Fake news' implies something is fabricated, or is passed on as valid when it's been fabricated by someone else.

So, do you mean that Unirock has been deceived by someone else's agenda? That he's inventing or fabricating what he says is evidence or proof? That he's mistakenly drawing false conclusions? That he's missing part of the picture? That he's a paid asset?

Any one of those, should it be your view, with a little behind it to show that it's not unreasonable, might make this conversation interesting.

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Do you see what I'm trying to say here? Unargued, take-it-or-leave-it opinions ("That's false". He's a liar." "That's invented.") are next to useless to assist anyone else.

Explaining WHY 'that's false', or WHY 'he's a liar', or WHY 'that's invented', really helps. You may be correct or incorrect, but at least then there's a dialog.

Or else, we're just hurling one-liner emotions at one another. Then no-one wins, learns, or grows.

So I'm now going to watch the video again. I'll do my best on my own. It may be helpful to understand that many reading these posts will NOT have a definite opinion about Q's veracity, and are genuinely wanting to understand more. Not everyone has a fixed opinion about this.

I have a strong personal suspicion, which I can make the case for and defend, that the Q phenomenon disempowers people rather than the opposite, has all the check-box attributes of an addictive soap opera before a captive audience, meets the criteria of a one-way-mirror belief system offering promises and hope, and is maybe intended to be all those things.

But I don't know for sure. If I did know the person or people who was Q, I'd tell you. :)

[Helene West]

@Bill
I can see what you're saying here - "...I have a strong personal suspicion, which I can make the case for and defend, that the Q phenomenon disempowers people rather than the opposite, has all the check-box attributes of an addictive soap opera before a captive audience, meets the criteria of a one-way-mirror belief system offering promises and hope, and is maybe intended to be all those things...."

What I can't get at is Why? I made it through almost half the vid but I'm not tech savvy enough to enjoy the behind the scenes message board and youtube channel folks lingo. I need the Cliff notes.

If as the subject says this person or group has 'confessed and apologized' then why is there another drop today that Paul posted on the Q thread? If it's a hoax, why? It's that funny? Almost an entire year of a hoax? That isn't a lot of work? And if it's for the money of making tee shirts, etc, I don't see all that many tee shirts only at the rallies and not that many. I can't imagine it's that big of a money maker.
All this writing, reading and listening and I'm still on a fence.

[Ratszinger]

I don't care for the feeling I get when I focus on the Q phenom. Don't care for it at all. Same feelings I had with some other so called enlightened 'gurus' for lack of a better word. How anyone can instantly close their mind turning off to any and all counter arguments or debates has always puzzled me. Q posts and directs and the hive of mindless reactive robots go out en mass on the attack and to see and read some of the very aggressive posts made toward the Drake person yesterday by so called peaceful patriots did not paint a pretty picture at all! Bill the guy did a decent video, he put some thought into it, it's backed up with a paper trail of 'crumbs' anyone can pull up and examine if they like! I don't see the problem with what he points out here. I do however see a cult like following of believers coming in attacking with nothing other than raw emotion though. If anything in this video is remotely true, and if it can be tracked back to any of the named individuals it is not inconceivable that humanity could demand justice of those involved! One has to wonder have any of the remaining players thought of what the ones that already left will do if they are called to testify in sworn testimony in a court of law? If this is fake and leading no where how is this not a crime against humanity! A cruel joke can be big enough to involve so many as to rise to the level of a crime that causes real pain, real trauma and real $ to spend on therapy! Class action law suits have been filed over far less!

[Honesty]

The whole Q thing is a misdirect ... war is ramping up in the Middle East, kicking into high gear after another 9/11 attack tomorrow - chemical weapons in Syria. One of the articles on the attack was released a day early:
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5346705,00.html
...similar to the WTC Building 7 collapse announcement with the building still standing in the background:
https://youtu.be/677i43QfYpQ

Once Israel has had enough, they will literally nuke Damascus. ..not sure when (yet). The war reaches its apex with the nuking of S. Manhattan. Comprehensive peace agreements to end the various conflicts will follow. This is the timeline we are on if there is no intervention as suggested by Q...I am not holding my breath.

[Bill Ryan]

@Bill
I can see what you're saying here - "...I have a strong personal suspicion, which I can make the case for and defend, that the Q phenomenon disempowers people rather than the opposite, has all the check-box attributes of an addictive soap opera before a captive audience, meets the criteria of a one-way-mirror belief system offering promises and hope, and is maybe intended to be all those things...."

What I can't get at is Why? I made it through almost half the vid but I'm not tech savvy enough to enjoy the behind the scenes message board and youtube channel folks lingo. I need the Cliff notes.

If as the subject says this person or group has 'confessed and apologized' then why is there another drop today that Paul posted on the Q thread? If it's a hoax, why?

I'd guess


Monetization.
Once a scam is in play, whatever the initial intentions, it often snowballs and gathers momentum, and becomes harder and harder for anyone to actually admit that it's out of control and accelerating fast — especially if the source is a group. The solo version of this is that the longer one maintains a lie, the harder it is to confess and admit it.

For source info, read this very carefully. It all has the feel of truth for me. That's an opinion, of course, but I'm persuaded that this has not been faked or edited (Unirock explains the full context and background in detail). It looks, feels, and smells very very convincing. A strong cup of :coffee: may be needed, though, to read and follow it all.

* Clarification: it's totally unedited by me, except that I added clear paragraphs to make it easier to read, and also sidestepped the forum auto-censor by substituting asterisks in the right places.

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From: Murk Murk
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 12:11 AM
To: unirocktv@gmail.com
Subject: CBTS Baker setting story straight. I'm tired of the lies. Q tell all.Just the truth.

”QBRD_BAKER” here

I’m here to separate FACT from FICTION.

For a couple of month’s, I tried to set things straight. I eventually gave up trying because every time I posted anything to tell the truth it was quickly deleted off the board, and people were too brainwashed by this point. Everyone affiliated with CBTS were quick to label me or others a “SHILL” when posting things on the board. They told Anons to ignore my posts and they followed marching orders like the sheep they’ve become. It’s really sad! The one thing we were trying to push on everyone not to be.

Let me explain. I’m one of the original members of the CBTS group/bakers/Mods – or whatever you want to call us. I ended up bailing from the group, as did a many others, and because of the sh*t that this all turned in to.

I happened to come across your recent live stream today 5/5/18, where you were covering Dr. Corsi. Watching it made my blood boil for one, because of the lies and deception that is still going on, but I also felt full of guilt because I was a part of all this sh*t.

I want to set things right and I’m hoping you can get my words out for me to those who are willing to listen. I want to clear my conscience by doing this too. I’m no SHILL! And I am all for taking back my government!

I also want the truth out once and for all because I can’t continue to see true Americans, honest people, and those wanting something better for this country to be taken advantage of any longer.

I have nothing to gain, and nothing to lose by doing this. All I want is for the truth to be told once and for all! Don’t allow the real SHILLS and Famefags, which consists of anyone affiliated to CBTS/8chan/4chan to take advantage of all of you true Americans!!!

Here are the FACTS:

Yes, there are positive changes going on in our country that have everything to do with GEOTUS! They have nothing to do with “Q.” Yes, we started this to rally up patriots for a common cause. Yes, we had good intentions - in the beginning. We wanted to create something positive even it was a bit deceptive (it was for a good cause we thought).

And I say this with so much guilt, No, there is no real Q member or members within the government or in the military giving us intel. It’s the truth!

I want everyone to know though that the intensions behind all of this were noble and honest at first, but it eventually changed, and people in the group got greedy, big headed, egotistical and all they saw were dollar signs coming out of this. Basically, they chose to become the famefags they are now! It sickens my stomach that I didn’t cut ties in all this sooner! I’ll be even more honest with you. There were a lot of us to start in all this, but many got booted out because they questioned things, because they didn’t want to comply with Baruch or Pamphlet, or because there were too many members to share the “wealth” with. I’ll point out additional facts and point you to the sauce on this for you to follow up on!

I’ll tell you who’s the real Q. It is everyone who clicked up with CBTS. Pamphlet Anon, Pam’s wife, Baruch the Scribe, Farmer Funk, Code Monkey, Obobo, Rain, Tracybeanz, and to a big extent Dr Corsi (unknowingly at first, but I’m sure Corsi was let on to the truth later on, IDK for sure because I had left the group but I’m pretty sure he knows the truth) are the major players that you know of (BO’s, mods, bakers etc); there were lots of us from, halfchan, reddit, and infinitychan. Each and every one of us has their own “expertise” to contribute and that’s what we did; even very useful techy members like code monkey as a great example. If sh*t got too heated in the kitchen, and you were considered a threat to the “plan,” guess what, you were outed! That’s exactly what kept happening. If drama broke out, a new discord server was created, a new board was created, you were banned, and more important, you were booted from the group and threatened. Everyone knew going in this that if one person said anything than everyone was going down together. We don’t Doxx Q is how it was put! It would be a “sh*tstorm” for all of us! This is how “WWG1WGA” came about. We are in this sh*t together and we’ll go down together if sh*t got out. The “sh*tstorm” fell in line with the storm. This is also where the whole “double meaning” came in. We had thought this sh*t out really well and we all helped to create the lie. We also knew going in that if we were going to do this we needed to cover our bases. Which is how we came-up with "disinformation is necessary,” “future proves past,” along with a many other cheeky words: crumbs, bread, bakers, red pill, etc. Think about! Do you really think some special intel person would know all these chan terms? (Autists, Anons, Bakers, Normies, etc.) Is it clearer now? We made all this sh*t up! Even when mistakes were made, and they were, we were able to trick people that sh*t was intentional: misspellings, initials. It’s even how other Q’s were created. We accidentally let it slip that there were many of us within the posts so people said – “oh they must be a group!” we rolled with it! We did this sh*t on a constant. People swallowed this sh*t up just as we hoped. There were times some members made fun of those people that did and they laughed at them. I would feel so bad at the time, but I won’t lie, I did laugh too sometimes not thinking of my actions. This would later catch up to me. I can go on for a long time with all of this but I don’t want to point every single little detail out cause it would go on forever. Hopefully by now people can see for themselves how we tricked all of you and how they continue to do it now. Just go back to the posts and you’ll see so many of the “safety nets” that we threw out and the hints/words/links to what I'm saying that will point and validate my words. It's why we also keep changing platforms (boards) and all that.

Here are the sources (How sh*t was done) for you to follow up on.

A lot of the major players (actors) took turns posting as Q. It’s why you see many “device” ID’s on the chans. If you know Pam and Baruch well, and know how they talk you’ll be able to make out some of their verbal habits in the drops. They often taunted people with them. Examples: we serve at the pleasure of the president (this was us, secretly saying we were Q – fast forward it’s also why tracy kept saying “we are Q to POTUS in a recent vid of hers), some of come to drop crumbs just crumbs, trust the plan (Pam came up with this) etc. I can go on.

Prior to the elections some members had started sending letters to the president complaining about the problems in our government. It was time we got measurable change – is what they wrote. We also called it Quality and Quantitative change! This is where Q came from. We called ourselves Q patriots in every letter and made it clear that we were wanting change and that we were rooting for him and promised to help him gain votes to make this possible. We sent lots and lots of letters hoping he’d acknowledge us.

Regarding the famefagging – look back to see who reached out first to inforwars, tracy and many other truthers for interviews. The truth is out there. They’ve even been caught saying that Q told them directly to do this (BULLSH*T AGAIN). This is when Tracy came on board too and Corsi.

If you look at when we went from posting on halfchan to the infinitychan board it was baruch, and codemonkey that did that sh*t because of drama we had with some 4chan mods all thanks to baruch. He always caused issues. It’s why Pam pushed us to cut ties with him because we were starting to fear getting caught. He was getting caught slipping way too many times and we had to cover our tracks.

When corsi came on board he was the major lead and someone Pam always knew would bring him the publicity we needed. Pam looked to corsi for his insight to deepstate research and this is how Pam took advantage of Corsi. Corsi still hasn’t picked up on this. It’s been Pam picking his brain for drops with the help of Farmer too. Tracy was eventually told the truth and she was in and she contributed too. If she says otherwise she’s a f*cking liar! I had respect for her at first and lost it. I hope she comes forward with the truth too because she did have some guilt in this too.

The tripcode – Matlock was Baruch. That f*cking idiot says he knows digital forensics but he cant even come up with a secure trip? He’s the biggest moron of all. We all would secretly make fun of that fool. Anyway, when the trip got cracked we had to come up with something fast. That’s how that “they used special hardware to crack it” came about. Farmer also helped here. You can go back to see he supposedly verifies Q’s IP to validate his new trip along with Baruch and Codemonkey – all fake. We threw that sh*t in the drops and people bought it all up.

Baruch and Pam silenced people that were questioning the drops, and silenced some of us that left and posted the truths by deleting our posts and banning our IP’s – yes Codemonkey/Baruch do track IPs on the board. If they tell you otherwise it’s a lie! If you search there are archives that show the deleted posts and you clearly see the BS that transpired and who’s at the lead (the BO and others). Dumbass Tripfags!

CBTS discord – Pam planned to make other platforms to collect money. Farmer wanted to start something in the discord to capitalize. Pam said no (because he already promised people he wouldn’t) and drama broke out. Eventually they planned to break up the CBTS discord allowing Farmer to collect in the CBTS discord and Pam made a new server. By this time, this was the 3 new discord server because drama kept coming up when members questioned “the plan.” This is why it also spilled over on the chans! Farmer took a fall for letting in an FBI informant (as planned). But guess what, Don’t question it, you’re a shill if you do, trust the plan! – Yup all BS!

This was a constant and still is. As we broke up the group. Someone would try to control the board to be Q. This is how Baruch took over first on 4chan, then another member, then farmer. Look back and you’ll find constant contradictions from yes we know Q, yes we have contact with Q, to and all that (baruch). Farmer responding as Q to himself as the anon who initials his post with ff (farmerfunk). Search the Qmap website for the “ff”.

More recently – you see the drama with corsi and others where Q is bashing them but then gives props to the bakers, codemonkey, and BO – Please open your eyes people! I’m so very sorry for my part but you are all being lied to.

The pictures - We would find them on the net, modify them with photoshop or other applications, reverse the images over lay things on them, or did things so that they couldnt be reversed search in google: unless that's what we wanted you to do. We would test it ourselves.

The bigger parts:

There is a website that shows all of TRUMPS tweets. It’s still on the web now (http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/). It used to be able to load tweets right after Trump would post it but a bit faster than it would pop up on Twitter; around 5-15 min faster. It mostly depended on the server but this is how we got lucky and were able to post some of the words off Trumps tweets on the chans before it loaded on twitter. This really made it all very believable. But really it was all because there was a code that twitter provided to capture the tweet off the server (it’s how media websites would capture and embed them too). Twitter eventually fixed this and it’s why you no longer see the POTUS tweets prior to him posting them on twitter. This coding was all code monkey with the help of a few others.

Pam and his wife gave a lot of direction on the drops. His wife wrote the questions because she knew the connections. Others helped to. Corsi as well by providing Pam answers from his research. You’ll find a lot of things from corsi’s books covered in the crumbs just reworded for the socratic method we used (Pams wife came up with this).

Here’s the MOAB (again an inside joke)!

Some individuals hacked a server ( I wont say who for obvious reasons but if you know the group, then you’ll know who’s tech enough to do this). This was a “4am talking points” server (yup it’s in the crumbs)– it’s no more than a cloud server where Journalist/reporters send their breaking news to the media. It was and has been a gold mine of info. It’s also how we found out about some of the real on-goings with POTUS. We just added more BS to it all. It made what we were dropping on the chans really look like intel. It wasn’t. We were either diligent at what we planned, very lucky or both every time. We called it the “4am talking points” because the server was hacked around 4am. This is also where it all started. I’m not sure who thought of trying to crack it but it was planned out early on when we knew we needed a source for quality information.

There are far many things that I could point out. I’ve said what I think are the major points. If you all won’t believe me now, then it’s a moot point because no proof I can give will make you change your minds and you’ll remain the sheep CBTS has made you to be. I’m very sorry to all those I have lied to, affected, or fooled. I really really am! I hope I can redeem myself by exposing the lies now before it goes even further. Ask yourselves this, “why isn’t Hillary in jail already?” A very very big sorry goes out to Deadcat because I know how much time, prayer, hope and belief he has put into this. I’m so very sorry Deadcat! We never got to meet face to face and after all this I don’t ever think I could face you. I’m sorry!

Please know this - I'm no longer with those Assholes because I really do care! I chose to leave and they didn't boot me out. They may seek revenge or try to make you believe I"m a shill. Whatever I dont care I just want the truth to be out. F them if they do!

Signed

”QBRD_BAKER”

Source:


https://steemit.com/qanon/@unirock/qanon-the-cbtsstream-baker-email-reveal-the-real-truth-of-the-qanon-phenomenon

[Ascension]

Please correct me if I'm confused. There was another confessor whose involvement seems to have preceded the move to 8 chan and possibly predates the material presented above? Trying to keep the confessions straight, but it sounds like there were multiple people involved over time, and some have withdrawn their involvement because they realized the enormity of the lie, and so the movement is starting to implode.

This has more-than-likely been posted, but I could not find it because it is probably embedded in the 300+ post Q thread.

This is the precursor guy's confession:

http://www.oann.com/exposed-creator-of-qanon-speaks-for-the-first-time/

On a side note...I assume it is human nature when groups of individuals participate in something which evolves into more than they bargained for originally, for there to be a few who have second thoughts, regrets and/or a need to confess. But, why does this hardly ever (maybe never) seem to happen with false flags which employ large number of participants? Not even death bed confessions of their participation in something may have caused pangs of guilt.

[Bill Ryan]

I assume it is human nature when groups of individuals participate in something which evolves into more than they bargained for originally, for there to be a few who have second thoughts, regrets and/or a need to confess. But, why does this hardly ever (maybe never) seem to happen with false flags which employ large number of participants? Not even death bed confessions of their participation in something may have caused pangs of guilt.

In the military-intel world, if you violate a secrecy agreement your life may seriously be in danger, or you could end up in Leavenworth for 20 years. And/or you could lose your pension, not to say your family and children. It's scary stuff. That's how come Assange became shielded in the Ecuadorian Embassy, while Snowden ran to Russia.

In a YouTube environment, the only downside to a scam reveal is ridicule and shame. And even then, little or nothing may happen, as all we have to go on is usernames, in most cases. They can easily be dumped for a restart on a different channel.

To some degree, because these guys are working in friendship groups, there's some inhibition to ratting on your buddies. But still, some people do do that if they have trouble sleeping at night because it's all got out of control.

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Based on what I can see and understand (which of course is limited), at the moment it seems to me very clear that Unirock is telling it exactly like it is.

[Helene West]

@Bill - Thank you for posting the 'confession' from QBRD Baker.
For me it reads like quite the geek drama-rama. Not saying I'm buying the whole thing... but interesting. So despite this guy's confession his former friends are still at it and that's why Paul has posted two sets of drops just today.

If Q is a hoax and with many sites/people being censored it could start feeling like a desert out there... I would have preferred this guy keep this crap under wraps until after the election...he waited this long why tell it now and demoralize before the elections?...Disappointed to see him name Tracey Beanz in on it.

At this point the elections and particularly whether or not Trump declassifies Fisa docs is what I'll be focusing on.

[Bill Ryan]

So despite this guy's confession his former friends are still at it and that's why Paul has posted two sets of drops just today.
It would seem so.

Btw, in case there's any bewilderment out there (or confusion!), I support 100% the main Q thread continuing, because it's data. One of the many things we do here is collect data, and I frequently point out that we're a library. So of course that should continue.

The last couple of days I've commended and encouraged Paul to continue to copy and paste the 'Q-drops' on the main thread. He'll confirm that. (I'd have happily done it myself, but I have no clue where to start. :) )

Even if something ends up as a conclusively proven hoax, we label it as such, and then move the thread to that section. It remains open and searchable. (And in many cases, still open to post on.) We really do try to play fair here. :flower:

The problem was never with the data on the thread. It was with the sometimes unpleasant dismissal of those who were dubious about its provenance, or didn't understand it well. That's not what we stand for.

Now, we have some balance, which is healthy. We can discuss all aspects of this without stepping on each others' toes, and those who want to solely follow Q can do that without the hassle of having to tolerate counter-opinions, now on two different threads.

[Hervé]

Same document also posted here:
[...]
PS: For some reasons, DuckDuckGo couldn't find anything to return for "part 46 the baker e-mail revealed"... so, I tried Yandex... and the above was listed second item of first page... a reminder that DuckDuckGo uses Google's search engines...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1247291&viewfull=1#post1247291

[Daozen]

Interesting that this confession came out months ago, and was ignored by the true-believers.
It rings true. The Twitter info makes it credible.


There is a website that shows all of TRUMPS tweets. It’s still on the web now (http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/). It used to be able to load tweets right after Trump would post it but a bit faster than it would pop up on Twitter; around 5-15 min faster. It mostly depended on the server but this is how we got lucky and were able to post some of the words off Trumps tweets on the chans before it loaded on twitter. This really made it all very believable. But really it was all because there was a code that twitter provided to capture the tweet off the server (it’s how media websites would capture and embed them too). Twitter eventually fixed this and it’s why you no longer see the POTUS tweets prior to him posting them on twitter. This coding was all code monkey with the help of a few others.

[Helene West]

I can't say I know much about geek culture for the 'confession' to ring true for me. I did get a sense of melodrama going on in their venue, something like when I was an office manager and the drama-ramas that went on in the office, yuk!

I've had many disappointments politically over the years/decades so this would not be total novelty if proven hoax. The tenor in the last few years that is different for me is a tick-tock type of vibe, like we don't have decades to fix the mean spirited, chaos and lack of integrity anymore.

[Andrew_K]

There's a second Baker Reveal email (https://pastebin.com/LutjnpaG) from Murk Murk for all who are interested. It gets overlooked, but there are some very important details in there that establish the credibility of the sender. For instance, he got Pamphlet Anon and Radix's real names right before NBC News doxxed them (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531) days later.

Now why would Pamphlet Anon call Murk Murk a LARP if the information he's sending is correct? Why did he say that going on Pastebin to read the email would give your computer a virus? Damage control?


* * *



UNIRock Document Press Release the "Baker Reveal Email part 2"
The final countdown
for dissemination to the "truth" community by UNIRock & #ROCKaSQUAD
8/8/2018 - 04:05 with live stream on UNIRock2 to prove complete backup to pastebin with no alteration.

I thought it would be best to update you on what’s been going on. We have been very diligent at fulfilling our promises as stated in the last email.

Some facts for you:

1. Despite what “Q” or the BO/Bakers or “Anons” tells you about the blackouts, why the board keeps going down, and why the trip was changed, it’s all BS (as usual). What they’ve been dealing with has been calculated and isn’t by chance. “There are no coincidences!” LOL.
2. It seems some “individuals” have provided the FBI the evidence of how fake Q is, and those involved in the scam. I hear the evidence is pretty damning too. It seems they’ve already been looking into all those involved in this scam. (Now’s a good time to come clean Ron 😉)
3. Infinity has been dealing with a bad bug (I hear it’s released some details that they didn’t want outed), many of the real “bad actors” involved are stressing now lol. Keep changing your trips, trading comps, and tunneling all you want, your time is running short. The last effort was closer than the previous one and you guys know it! You guys are still trying hard to keep the flow of money coming in but you’re feeling the pinch now aren’t you.
4. It’s not by chance that Anonymous is after these fools now 😉
5. Doxings are a coming 😉 along with real “Q proof” lol

Now some “intel”:

Soapbox, Peter Anderson, black mirror, corsi, Etc, yup all the usual suspects are still working together to keep the donations coming in. This time the Q hat keeps moving around. It won’t help you for long! There’s a reason why tripcodes keep changing and why the machine ID’s keep changing. You see, Mr. Rodger’s is technically correct in that he’s not Q, not anymore. It seems Serialbrain, Cosmic10R, FF, and a few new members are stepping up to cover more now to help the cause in a big way.

Unfortunately, many of their followers are still clueless about how they are getting ripped off. The money flow is getting low and they’re starting to fill a pinch. I guess this is why they are trying harder on all their channels to rake in new members. Let me fill you in on a little secret, Mr. Rodgers and Mrs. Urso are still helping Corsi despite what they may tell their followers. The crap talking about Corsi is all a front. All the work is done in the background to share donations. The fight was all for show people! (some private emails to come on this subject later on 😉)

Now for the big reveal! The Plot has really thickened now. Over the last couple month’s we’ve uncovered new details that many of us who left were unaware of. It seems that we were left out on a lot of details going in to all this when we started helping out. It seems there was another source providing info, one that we were never told about, and one that has proven to be very valuable to them and this money making scheme, this person has made all this that much more believable. It get’s better…

Would it surprise you that Mrs. Urso’s has some really good family connections? Her good friend from the legal office she once worked at just happens to be really good friends with a certain someone at INFOWARS. Now you can see how this is starting to all tie in. And it also seems, who you presume to be her uncle, George Urso over in Allison Park PA (who happens to have a pretty extensive criminal record btw) is really good friends with a Mr. Brown over in North Carolina. It seems this Mr. Brown really is taking advantage of the “Q drops” - now isn’t that nice. I’m pretty sure Mr. Rodgers is really appreciating all the efforts Mr. Brown has been putting in to all this too. New radio equipment and new computer equipment isn’t cheap, neither is having a staff to feed too.

But guess what, this gets even better! It just so happens that Mr. Brown is really good friends with a Mr. Thomas Gilkenson, and it seems good old Thomas, who previously worked at the Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations department with the US Department of Defense, has a wealth of knowledge to provide the “Team.” “Q+,” I mean good old Thomas, just happens to live not too far away from Mr.Brown. He’s just one state down from Mr.Brown in good old S.C..

But wait, there’s more! Wouldn’t you know, Serialbrain and Mr. Gilkenson seem to have hit it off as good friends. I hear SerialBrain really likes to pick Mr. Gilkenson’s brain for lots of good usable info! Good old SerialBrain always liked trying to be the bigger autist than he really was. It’s too bad his personal info leaked out from his gmail. I feel bad their comps are getting compromised now. I hear they keep having lots of glitches, issues and stuff.

Moving on…It also seems Mr. Brown, Mr. Gilkeson and the rest of the team have made some really good money recently. Mr. Rodgers and Wife have done pretty good for themselves too. Aren’t they all just the best patriots ever? I think we should all move to North or South Carolina because it seems that those are really profitable states right now! Do you think this is why Mr. Rodgers decided to move his family there? I hear they have some nice big houses out there.

Some final words… Let’s all keep doing our part Patriots! It’s not cheap to run such a big operation, and they need to keep a steady flow of money coming in with, especially with all the mouth’s involved to feed now. WWG1WGA in the paint! Final shout out to Ron. it seems our buddies over at infinity are dealing with a nasty bug. Do you think they were able to find the problem? I wonder if their debugger is working properly. Maybe it’s all do to a race condition that hasn’t been found? Hmmmm. Good luck guys! I hope these “blackouts” they keep experiencing will eventually stop. 😉

Anyway, I hope you guys like the update. Oh by the way, some “anon” happen to send me a pic of a conversation that really spills the beans on all this. It doesn’t look good for them. I hope they don’t get mad at me for sharing it. I’m sure you’ll hear more about this soon. I hope they don’t lose more Patriots over it.

WWG1WGAnonymous - all for the LuLz, oh! and don’t forget the shekels.

P.S. On a serious note, People, what’s going on in the WH right now has nothing to do with what these A holes are feeding you. These A holes have been weaving in a lot of BS crap with the FBI corruption case. We’ve uncovered more things that are very concerning, and based on what we have found, we have very good reason to believe that there is a coordinated effort to really make us conservatives look nuts, so that there is a new push for newer and very strict internet, privacy, and social media laws. Some of these individuals involved with Pamphlet and the bunch have ties to Dems in high places! Not sure if they know this either! We haven’t been able to connect it all (yet) but there seems to clearly be an agenda at work based on what we’ve found so far. More to come later.

“Be careful who you follow” is the truth!


Murk

[waves]

Thanks to (almost) all contributors here, what a relief to have a place for stable, same page discourse about this fascinating subject.


Q As An Initially Well Meant Con

First replier in this thread, 7-word petty ridiculer robinr1 representing all the pest-like surface dwellers who rush to deride but scurry when asked for substance... totally misses the point.

Identifying players who created Q is only the beginning leaving a mountain of unanswered questions.

What intrigues me about the whole Q scenario is the highly unusual factor that it's not fully black/white, right/wrong or good/bad. It created a bold and extremely far reaching organizational and mind opening effect... that was done with deceit.

It got more people than ever talking about MKUltra, human trafficking, political corruption and a huge array of things our community has been trying to wake people up to for decades. I think that's brilliant and don't see anything wrong with dirty fighting for the constructive while the entire MSM bombards us with 24/7 social engineering via 100% dirty fighting for the destructive.

On the disturbing side however is the 'trust the plan' meme that's repeated quite often, and likely other mind-manipulative concepts being crafted into it.

A big red flag to me possibly coloring the whole agenda was enthroning Corsi as the interpretation god at first. Has the CBTS/Corsi relationship disconnected? (sorry, haven't listened since Corsi was being idolized). If they have disconnected from him, I hope it's because he wasn't a creator and Pam realized he was being used by a very deceptive gatekeeper leeching off a spotlight, but that Pam welcomed him at all is disturbing if he's so smart and/or not secretly on the same side. Point is, who CBTS openly sides with is something to keep an eye on.

What Unirock is saying however, is that the post-4chan group orchestrating these well meaning intentions quickly accrued more power than expected and it quickly corrupted those who suddenly found themselves with the lure of big money. You bet they've been approached by countless dirtbags with cash wanting to use the Q phenomena to further some agendas.

That means even if we've identified creators, we don't have a clue who all are influencing Q content now or what real discord is going on behind the scenes.

The post-confession evolution will be very interesting to watch.

~~~~~~~

But regarding any interpretation of content, I want to highlight what I think has been the most significant comment yet about the foundational nature of this phenomena worth keeping in perspective. There's never been a pure-speculation only one-way mirror in our political arena this prolific, influential and still growing.


BILL RYAN: Post #6788

You see, folks, this is a one-way mirror.
There's no-one to interview, no-one to ask for clarification or more info,
no-one's credentials or background to check.

[Helene West]

Wow Confession #2!

I suddenly have to laugh. I was one of those who pressed for, if not an anti-Q thread, a critiquing, questioning thread re Q. Almost overnight like mushrooms anti-Q threads are popping up all over! lol. But not only anti-Qs but in the political genre ANTI's in general! I asked for it - I got it!

It occurred to me I could have played right into pre-election demoralization psy-ops. These are important elections coming up. Like I said previously, these people have had 10 months or so to come clean but they are picking right before the election to Confess & Deflate though this QBRD claims "...I want everyone to know though that the intensions behind all of this were noble and honest at first..." (How Lofty!)

And though sincere sounding at first blush, his "I also want the truth out once and for all because I can’t continue to see true Americans, honest people, and those wanting something better for this country to be taken advantage of any longer...." not only palliative for himself but diminishing the big FU he did give these "true Americans, honest people" he now feels so much for but the timing of the mea culpa makes it a double FU to same. I hope many who intended to vote against dems/rhinos will be even more angry if they were influenced/interested in Q and not demoralized which these geeks could be intending.

These geek confessions could be totally true but methinks I dabbled in Anti Q world enough for one week. I get the gist! I'll go back to my original brooding self, reading the drops, pondering, observing and keeping mine own counsel... It's been interesting...

[Noelle]

I think it's conceivable that the narrative presented in the OP video could be Deep State/intelligence created and promoted. NBC and other MSM news outlets went with that angle.

Here's NBC's piece: How three conspiracy theorists took 'Q' and sparked Qanon (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531)

Tracy Beanz (Diaz) is mentioned in the NBC story, in a demonizing way. They quote her, but these quotes were not obtained by the reporter interviewing her. It states she declined to comment. As a journalist myself and someone who has been interviewed by the MSM, I know how that goes. The reporter possibly did not disclose to Beanz what she was being accused of.

Jack Posobiec is somehow involved with pushing this narrative too. Posobiec, a "conspiracy theorist" who may have military intel ties, started following me on Twitter back in November, and I followed him. (I got on Twitter to follow Q.) I believe he did the same with many other Q supporters. He would tweet about swamp-draining news, things that aligned with what Q was saying. Then early in 2018, he starts tweeting Q is a LARP.

For anyone interested, Beanz denies the allegations here (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1027658159287091200.html).

I'll finish with this: I think threads that challenge QAnon are a plus. They will help keep us Q researchers on PA anchored. :clapping:

[Tintin]

The whole Q thing is a misdirect ... war is ramping up in the Middle East, kicking into high gear after another 9/11 attack tomorrow - chemical weapons in Syria. One of the articles on the attack was released a day early:
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5346705,00.html
...similar to the WTC Building 7 collapse announcement with the building still standing in the background:
https://youtu.be/677i43QfYpQ



[MOD NOTE from Tintin - awaiting Honesty's response before moving to a Syria related thread]

Honesty: this is a terrific find. I can do this for you but maybe you'd like to try reposting this important find to a related 'Syria' thread as well yourself? Let me know please if you'd like me to do it and I'll happily oblige :muscle:

I'm attaching a screenshot of this article here too.

Anybody picking this up would need to be mindful of the time difference between Tel Aviv (10:36 AM) and the US equivalent - potential EST viz Washington D.C which without checking at the time of writing would surely place this release on Ynet to 09/10 in the very early hours US time, and the timing of John Bolton's comments on 09/10 subsequent to this.

If it is crumbs we are following then this is one mighty loaf:

39068

[HaveBlue]

Tweets taking 5 - 15 mins to show? This requires more info. I find it very hard to believe that if I was on twitter that when I make a tweet it takes that long for 'the public' to see them. Could anyone elaborate on this?

[Arcturian108]

Up until I read the early Qanon posts, I couldn't fathom who or what was behind Pres. Trump's extraordinary ability to attain the presidency, or stay alive thereafter. Qanon's assertion that the military was protecting Trump made sense at the time that I read it, and would still make sense to me if Qanon is found to be a hoax. It somehow got solidified in my mind in the process of the Qanon phenomenon, and maybe what we should be doing is forming a Qanon fraternity to make sure that the hopium doesn't go to waste.

[Matthew]

Tweets taking 5 - 15 mins to show? This requires more info. I find it very hard to believe that if I was on twitter that when I make a tweet it takes that long for 'the public' to see them. Could anyone elaborate on this?

This is a great question!!!! This does require more info. The best I can do is send a polite, as well phrased as I can email to trumptwitterarchive, which I've done but .. I won't necessarily get a reply.

I couldn't find any information about the time it took a Trump tweet to be published on twitter.

I did find some information about how twitter lets non-twitter applications work, and specifically how twitter recently changed this, which ended up hampering non-twitter applications.

twitter made these changes August this year. Here is the article I learnt this from. It's a little technical but I have summarised it above, as best as I understand it: https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/16/17362138/twitter-api-third-party-apps-changes-explained

Here is an extract (it's a wee bit technical)

...
The changes, which go into effect August 16th, do two main things: first, they prevent new tweets from streaming into an app in real time; and second, they prevent and delay some push notifications. Neither of these are going to break Twitter apps completely, but they could be very annoying depending on how and where you use it.
...

[TargeT]

Tweets taking 5 - 15 mins to show? This requires more info. I find it very hard to believe that if I was on twitter that when I make a tweet it takes that long for 'the public' to see them. Could anyone elaborate on this?

yes... it's Technobable (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/technobabble)...

its completely ridiculous to assume 140-280 characters would take 5-15 min to post (I could see maybe up to a few seconds in delay, but nothing beyond that. ) and the idea itself is antithesis to Twitter's entire company business model.

[ThePythonicCow]

yes... it's Technobable (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/technobabble)...

its completely ridiculous to assume 140-280 characters would take 5-15 min to post (I could see maybe up to a few seconds in delay, but nothing beyond that. ) and the idea itself is antithesis to Twitter's entire company business model.

Perhaps if I wrote a website, from the socket calls on up, in Python, before my first cup of coffee in the morning ... it might take minutes (well, actually, it would take infinitely long, as I am not a fast enough coder to write a working site in one morning, with or without coffee.)

But a high end, high volume, site such as twitter operates in milliseconds and microseconds, not minutes.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

This confession is a mandatory video to watch before any posting. Thank you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKSUlfT_MnM

It would be foolish of me to say this is lies, disinfo, or fake news. It would also be hasty to judge it the truth, and the whole truth.

All I can say, with all honesty, is I don't want it to be true. But if this bears out, so be it..

[Helene West]

It's Election time!! Perfect time for bashing, slandering, disinfo, etc.

Good time to demoralize those already poor, deluded deplorables...

The geeks could have made their mea culpas and confessions even as far back as the end of last year. Since they like to play games they could have played Santa and given us the Christmas present of honesty. but nooooo, they have to confess close to elections.
I'm as skeptical as they come and the geeks don't seem any more trustworthy than any others on the big drama-rama stage.

Their confessions aren't changing the way I'm voting that's for sure.

[Ratszinger]

I think we also need to consider one more thing that has come up. "You won't fool the autists" has come up more than once by Q. In the hit series, "BIG BANG" the character 'Sheldon Cooper' plays a rather autistic leaning individual. My wife compares me to him all the time actually because I don't get sarcasm any better than he does and also sort of like the character played in the one episode by Billy Bob Thorton, who doesn't even know when to laugh or if it was meant as a joke or not and so on. The audience laughs but this is very real let me assure you! I live it almost everyday. While technically I'm smart, IQ wise and I even have a higher education but without my wife at times I can almost be helpless in public, easily misled, vulnerable even! What I'm saying is that it is a misconception to think autists can't be fooled. We can be fooled quite easily because most of us fell short on the common sense aspect of intelligence. Unfortunate and hard for me to discuss at times what can be a handicap but it's so true it deserves being pointed out.

[ThePythonicCow]

The PrayingMedic, who is one of the Q commentators I most enjoy listening to, has a good debunk of Microchip's claims to be the real Q, starting at about the 1:04:00 mark (https://youtu.be/BSHBeYhVlSY?t=1h4m) in this video:
BSHBeYhVlSY
PrayingMedic points out such things as Microchip posting what he claims is a screen shot of his early discussions about creating Q, where there is a link on the screen shot to an article on Breitbart. The screen shot shows a chat that allegedly occurred on Sept 14, 2017. The Brietbart article linked in that screen shot was not published until two days later, on Sept 16, 2018. At the 1:10:17 mark (https://youtu.be/BSHBeYhVlSY?t=1h10m17s), PrayingMedic asks "If this chat log was from Sept 14 of 2017, how did Microchip post a link to a Breitbart article that had not been published yet?"

PrayingMedic points out other anomalies in Microchip's claims as well. I conclude that Microchip is not the real creator of Q.

However I have yet to figure out the connections between

UNIROCK (who uploaded the video in the opening post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1247408&viewfull=1#post1247408) of this thread),
Murk Murk (whose long letter UNIROCK read in that video, and which letter Bill also posted above in Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1247468&viewfull=1#post1247468),
Jack Posobiec, who Noelle mentions in Post #20 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1247551&viewfull=1#post1247551), above, and
this Microchip that PrayingMedic debunks in the video above in this present post.

My sense is that the above, Unirock, Murk Murk, Posobiec, and Microchip are all of a piece ... of bunkum. But even after listening to the entire opening Unirock video and reading twice the Murk Murk letter, I can't grab hold of enough verifiable or falsifiable detail to demonstrate anything other than that they speak well of their motives.

[ichingcarpenter]

Somehow this whole Q affair reminds me of the South Park series World of Warcraft episode with a bunch of kids and stay at home slobs on the internet playing games .
Sorry, I get weird analogies sometimes. I did want Hillary to go to jail for her handling of classified documents.
Then when it didn't happen like they said it would...... I turned them off.

carry on.

[ThePythonicCow]

The PrayingMedic, who is one of the Q commentators I most enjoy listening to, has a good debunk of Microchip's claims to be the real Q, starting at about the 1:04:00 mark (https://youtu.be/BSHBeYhVlSY?t=1h4m) in this video
Chanie and Noelle are discussing this same topic, whether Microchip is legitimate, over at The Qanon posts and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario for some elite swamp critters (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1247643&viewfull=1#post1247643)

[ThePythonicCow]

Sorry, I get weird analogies sometimes. I did want Hillary to go to jail for her handling of classified documents.
Then when it didn't happen like they said it would...... I turned them off.

carry on.
Would that Hillary be sent to jail, or the gallows, for so many crimes that she was unable to live long enough to hear a full reading of the entire list of charges for which she was convicted and found guilty.

[Valerie Villars]

Sorry, I get weird analogies sometimes. I did want Hillary to go to jail for her handling of classified documents.
Then when it didn't happen like they said it would...... I turned them off.

carry on.
Would that Hillary be sent to jail, or the gallows, for so many crimes that she was unable to live long enough to hear a full reading of the entire list of charges for which she was convicted and found guilty.

And so did/do I. With all my heart.

[Foxie Loxie]

ichingcarpenter.....we are in the middle of making things "happen"! Put your positive energy into visualizing an end to all this by our restoring Rule of Law!

"This isn't personal, it's just business!" :bigsmile:

Also remember one thing....this is about The Children!! :heart: That is why Praying Medic got into doing what he is doing! Put your energy & prayers into making this great evil stop!! You CAN help!!

[Retief]

All I can say, with all honesty, is I don't want it to be true. But if this bears out, so be it..

I share the same sentiments. During the video the point was made that Q didn't make his own board, so others had control over his posts. I don't do chans and I guess I'm getting a little long in the tooth (I remember having to program the VCR clock for my elders) but can someone comment on whether or not this is a valid criticism of Q's authenticity?

[Foxie Loxie]

In my opinion....it doesn't matter if Q is or is not "authentic"!

What matters is that many people are starting to think for themselves who never did before! That's a positive in my book.....we are working to stamp out the evil of trafficking children.

If you haven't listened to Fiona Barnett's story, please do. She was raised in a weird pedo environment in Australia & remembers being gassed, stuffed into a crate, & flown to Disneyland for an "after hours" party & was raped by the likes of Ted Turner.

THIS is what we are fighting to stop....child trafficking. The tentacles of this sick "empire" reaches to the Vatican. Isn't a "good" thing to stop child abuse? :confused:

[Daozen]

Twitter is absolutely huge, and they have many problems serving massive amounts of data on such a vast scale. I am not 100% sure this guy is telling the truth, but I would not be so quick to dismiss the time delay explanation. Websites and apps can take a feed straight from the Twitter API. A site dedicated to streaming Trump tweets only would prioritize his tweets, and could well post some tweets earlier.

If you really want to settle this, go to stack exchange and ask them if it's possible. They'd tell us with a detailed explanation. This is a deep computer science/scale issue, and it's not solved in a couple of lines of bluffing/technical sounding prose. Twitter built their prototype in the 'wrong' framework for the job, Ruby on Rails, and since then have had difficulties operating on a huge scale. 10-15 minutes to delay posting a tweet seems credible to me. Yoyoyo has posted some of their documentation, which may shed some light on the issue.

Let us approach this mystery with humility, and ask the experts.

[waves]

Please correct me if I'm confused. There was another confessor whose involvement seems to have preceded the move to 8 chan and possibly predates the material presented above? Trying to keep the confessions straight, but it sounds like there were multiple people involved over time, and some have withdrawn their involvement because they realized the enormity of the lie, and so the movement is starting to implode.

This has more-than-likely been posted, but I could not find it because it is probably embedded in the 300+ post Q thread.

This is the precursor guy's confession:

http://www.oann.com/exposed-creator-of-qanon-speaks-for-the-first-time/

On a side note...I assume it is human nature when groups of individuals participate in something which evolves into more than they bargained for originally, for there to be a few who have second thoughts, regrets and/or a need to confess. But, why does this hardly ever (maybe never) seem to happen with false flags which employ large number of participants? Not even death bed confessions of their participation in something may have caused pangs of guilt.

I so want to keep things straight and want to say you are right to notice that confusion, thank you. I misunderstood who was confessing in the OP video, realized that today and made corrections to the OP in red. I hate being inaccurate. Huge apologies. The confession still stands.

[Daozen]

I googled Twitter delayed tweets -scheduled API and found some developers are experiencing delays of up to 4-5 hours. Granted, these are apps that work with the API. It is more credible that these apps should lag behind the main Twitter site. It is slightly harder to believe that the main site could lag behind other dedicated apps but still possible considering the massive amounts of data they are serving... the info is out there. There is a time disparity in serving tweets that can last hours.


Hey Guys, I am fetching tweets through REST API, and exporting all the data to my DJANGO based web application, the issue I am facing is that REST API is fetching tweets with a time delay to 4-5 hours. I want to fetch tweets most recent so that I can do further processing on the extracted data.

Following is the official documentation from where I am extracting tweets and saving it to JSON response.

https://twittercommunity.com/t/tweets-delay-in-rest-api/95940

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/16/17362138/twitter-api-third-party-apps-changes-explained

Twitter did make some changes in August, which partially validates unirocks story.


The changes, which go into effect August 16th, do two main things: first, they prevent new tweets from streaming into an app in real time; and second, they prevent and delay some push notifications. Neither of these are going to break Twitter apps completely, but they could be very annoying depending on how and where you use it.

[Honesty]

The whole Q thing is a misdirect ... war is ramping up in the Middle East, kicking into high gear after another 9/11 attack tomorrow - chemical weapons in Syria. One of the articles on the attack was released a day early:
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5346705,00.html
...similar to the WTC Building 7 collapse announcement with the building still standing in the background:
https://youtu.be/677i43QfYpQ



[MOD NOTE from Tintin - awaiting Honesty's response before moving to a Syria related thread]

Honesty: this is a terrific find. I can do this for you but maybe you'd like to try reposting this important find to a related 'Syria' thread as well yourself? Let me know please if you'd like me to do it and I'll happily oblige :muscle:

I'm attaching a screenshot of this article here too.

Anybody picking this up would need to be mindful of the time difference between Tel Aviv (10:36 AM) and the US equivalent - potential EST viz Washington D.C which without checking at the time of writing would surely place this release on Ynet to 09/10 in the very early hours US time, and the timing of John Bolton's comments on 09/10 subsequent to this.

If it is crumbs we are following then this is one mighty loaf:

39068

I was informed that the Turks stepped up to stop the next phase of the war (e.g., false flag chemical attack in Syria). Reasoning was that they were not ready for the 2+ million refugees that would flood the border into Turkey. Surprising...so we'll have to wait (a good thing) for some other event to trigger an escalation in the Middle East. I'm OK with waiting forever.

[TargeT]

I would not be so quick to dismiss the time delay explanation........10-15 minutes to delay posting a tweet seems credible to me.

....
Let us approach this mystery with humility, and ask the experts.

IT expert here:

There's no way that anyone was able to receive a tweet 5-15 min before it was posted publicly with the typical way twitter works. That would be literally impossible with out intervention to delay (and THAT would be easily provable in itself, and overly obvious); this is a very very weak attempt to fool non-technical people who do not understand how these systems work.

The "we got tweets early" line is total BS and almost technically impossible, certainly HIGHLY improbable.



What I'm saying is that it is a misconception to think autists can't be fooled.

For clarity:

autists in the "Q" sense are the Anon's that do crowd sourced research... not actual individuals on the autism spectrum... it's a "slang" term for crowd sourced researchers (https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8gppex/question_for_a_noob_who_are_the_autists/).




I share the same sentiments. During the video the point was made that Q didn't make his own board, so others had control over his posts. I don't do chans and I guess I'm getting a little long in the tooth (I remember having to program the VCR clock for my elders) but can someone comment on whether or not this is a valid criticism of Q's authenticity?

This should help:
JMm-RZWdg6k

4chan and 8chan function seemingly to promote anonymity, just like this forum there are moderators that try to keep up (haha, good luck on the chans!) the messages can be altered (but it's logged etc).It's not for everyone, it's a weird quirky corner of the internet; but I do not believe that it's a valid claim to say that just because the chans were used that the message is suspect.... they are a great way to anonymously release information.

[Ratszinger]

I would not be so quick to dismiss the time delay explanation........10-15 minutes to delay posting a tweet seems credible to me.

....


[QUOTE=Ratszinger]What I'm saying is that it is a misconception to think autists can't be fooled.



For clarity:

autists in the "Q" sense are the Anon's that do crowd sourced research... not actual individuals on the autism spectrum... it's a "slang" term for crowd sourced researchers (https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8gppex/question_for_a_noob_who_are_the_autists/).


I do not believe the above to be a true statement. I believe many of the researchers fall into the autistic spectrum and can be noticed even in their videos and you all know that. But I'm not here to argue with you over it but nice try. I just don't buy it and the behavior of the people over on that other awakening place is not one of any kind of warm welcome to people even giving a hint they are on the fence.

[TargeT]

What I'm saying is that it is a misconception to think autists can't be fooled.



For clarity:

autists in the "Q" sense are the Anon's that do crowd sourced research... not actual individuals on the autism spectrum... it's a "slang" term for crowd sourced researchers (https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8gppex/question_for_a_noob_who_are_the_autists/).


I do not believe the above to be a true statement. I believe many of the researchers fall into the autistic spectrum and can be noticed even in their videos and you all know that. But I'm not here to argue with you over it but nice try. I just don't buy it and the behavior of the people over on that other awakening place is not one of any kind of warm welcome to people even giving a hint they are on the fence.

I gave you a direct link to an explanation, trust me "autists" is just a "cool name" for the crowd sourced researchers and has very little to do with actual autism other than the fact that the name is applied to researchers because of their focus...

From the link I posted:

The ‘Autists’ are the fine people of the chans who do the digging into the Q posts on the qresearch board. The name comes from the tendency of autists to be relentless in their pursuit of completing any task that they begin. Also because folks believe them to not be very social folks, like neckbearded, ‘live-in-mom’s-basement’, which may or may not be true.

Praise the autists. Kek.

no belief needed, that is what they are in this context ;)

[Ratszinger]

What I'm saying is that it is a misconception to think autists can't be fooled.



For clarity:

autists in the "Q" sense are the Anon's that do crowd sourced research... not actual individuals on the autism spectrum... it's a "slang" term for crowd sourced researchers (https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8gppex/question_for_a_noob_who_are_the_autists/).


I do not believe the above to be a true statement. I believe many of the researchers fall into the autistic spectrum and can be noticed even in their videos and you all know that. But I'm not here to argue with you over it but nice try. I just don't buy it and the behavior of the people over on that other awakening place is not one of any kind of warm welcome to people even giving a hint they are on the fence.

I gave you a direct link to an explanation, trust me "autists" is just a "cool name" for the crowd sourced researchers and has very little to do with actual autism other than the fact that the name is applied to researchers because of their focus...

From the link I posted:

The ‘Autists’ are the fine people of the chans who do the digging into the Q posts on the qresearch board. The name comes from the tendency of autists to be relentless in their pursuit of completing any task that they begin. Also because folks believe them to not be very social folks, like neckbearded, ‘live-in-mom’s-basement’, which may or may not be true.

Praise the autists. Kek.

no belief needed, that is what they are in this context ;)

Sorry wasn't clear. I can't view the link mate! The mod banned me not just from GW but from everything and I only two questions posted, two posts actually! Not even enough to know me or anything about me and just bam! So as I said I didn't get warm welcome. Was trying to not discuss other forums here. Anyway, my bad> I should have been clearer. I get a white page saying sorry you are not welcome here!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

In case anyone missed this:

If there was any lingering doubt that Deep State meddling IS afoot to discredit Q, the evidence of fakery is CLEAR, re the Discord chatlogs Microchip presented where he claims to be Q.

Q himself posted this warning in #2111.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1038778638613839872
[0:21]

39076

At 0:21 in the linked video from Microchip:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/5961958169ffc82c6f52a7eb7255d4281d4c5a4e6f020a341dba53d04ba8dad3_compressed.jpg

The chatlog for September 14th 2017: he posts a link dated September 16th, 2 days in the future.

For me, this says it all. It's been shopped. Or as they say in meme world, "IT'S A FAKE!!"

If Q was a LARP, why would he 'out' himself in one of his own drops? And once outed, and the whole thing disavowed, why continue to post? (most recent drop is #2151).



It would be foolish of me to say this is lies, disinfo, or fake news. It would also be hasty to judge it the truth, and the whole truth.

All I can say, with all honesty, is I don't want it to be true. But if this bears out, so be it..

I was skittish before, and hedged my bets. But now...

This is what Q called panic-mode. Every attempt is being made to destroy and discredit Q.

Ask yourself why? (as Q would say.)

[Noelle]

In the early Q drop days, I spent some time on the 4Chan board -- maybe a month -- then I decided it was too rough for me. It seemed to me that almost every other post was an attack on Q or the anons.

About the autists, Tablet magazine published an article in June that talks about the "autistically-inclined" anons.

The Story of Q (https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/264627/the-story-of-q)

... Do you know about predictive modelling in computers? I didn’t. I’m a writer, a generalist, not a scientist, but I watched a few training videos on the subject. Large technology companies and government intelligence agencies do predictive modeling using the machine learning language R with ‘caret’ (CLassification and REgression Training.) In the same way autistic people easily spot connections that normal people miss, machine learning sees causality that even autistic people are not able to process. Q and his colleagues appear to have used these techniques to model contingencies and to guide the development of their plan, while providing their followers with tactical guidance and updated predictions with data continually updated from reality.

To build such a machine, Q needed services unavailable on the market at any price. He needed a few hundred intelligent, autistically-inclined people of disparate talents to network together. Try hiring those, and if you have 20 million you’re prepared to spend, how are you going to manage them?

I believe that Q had this figured out, too. You can’t bully an autist, and they are not primarily motivated by money. The same way an autist can’t stand something like magazines left in disorder on a coffee table, they can’t stand living with obvious contradictions and lies. So, they are highly motivated truth-seekers. I think most of us are, to the degree that we have time; but where do you find it? The truth is a needle and out there are a thousand haystacks. Q knew that if he could convince the autists he was who he claimed, they would work night and day for him. ...

[Ratszinger]

In the early Q drop days, I spent some time on the 4Chan board -- maybe a month -- then I decided it was too rough for me. It seemed to me that almost every other post was an attack on Q or the anons.

About the autists, Tablet magazine published an article in June that talks about the "autistically-inclined" anons.

The Story of Q (https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/264627/the-story-of-q)

... Do you know about predictive modelling in computers? I didn’t. I’m a writer, a generalist, not a scientist, but I watched a few training videos on the subject. Large technology companies and government intelligence agencies do predictive modeling using the machine learning language R with ‘caret’ (CLassification and REgression Training.) In the same way autistic people easily spot connections that normal people miss, machine learning sees causality that even autistic people are not able to process. Q and his colleagues appear to have used these techniques to model contingencies and to guide the development of their plan, while providing their followers with tactical guidance and updated predictions with data continually updated from reality.

To build such a machine, Q needed services unavailable on the market at any price. He needed a few hundred intelligent, autistically-inclined people of disparate talents to network together. Try hiring those, and if you have 20 million you’re prepared to spend, how are you going to manage them?

I believe that Q had this figured out, too. You can’t bully an autist, and they are not primarily motivated by money. The same way an autist can’t stand something like magazines left in disorder on a coffee table, they can’t stand living with obvious contradictions and lies. So, they are highly motivated truth-seekers. I think most of us are, to the degree that we have time; but where do you find it? The truth is a needle and out there are a thousand haystacks. Q knew that if he could convince the autists he was who he claimed, they would work night and day for him. ...

Thank you. So well said! Autistic are brutally honest if anything. There was a video on lets see, History channel maybe I really need to find this out because I want to watch it again if I can find it. It covered the schools in Austria, going over Vienna and how those like Leonardo da vinci that were high art people went there and there was another school, in Sienna a town not far apparently but composed of schools for autists! All the special people were going to school there in Sienna and they are the ones that actually did the designs of most of the things Leonardo gets credit for as the teachers there sent the rough sketches of the autists to the art school to have students such as da vinci redo them in refined form such as only he could do. They apparently proved this with the originals that came from the students at the Sienna school and all of them that did that stuff like the helicopter and such were the students there not da vinci according to this. The elite have known about the special 'Rain Man' people and utilized them for a long time.

[Ratszinger]

By the way, correct me if I'm off as I've looked some to try to find mention of this and didn't see anything. I have not read here about Michael Aquino but elsewhere some say he didn't actually get away with his 60 years of child abuse rampage against children that he was caught and worked a deal to reveal all in a way that both concealed him and revealed him and the rest at the same time in Qanon. The reason being you can rearrange his name to say "IQANOU" but if you turn the "U" upside down or reverse it as they say in 'Runes' it becomes "I QANON" revealing the identity. I have not seen it covered. Is there any serious inquiry into this theory or did it fizzle in the wind like others? I wonder because this guy has or had the clearance to know this stuff right?

[ThePythonicCow]

For clarity:

autists in the "Q" sense are the Anon's that do crowd sourced research... not actual individuals on the autism spectrum... it's a "slang" term for crowd sourced researchers (https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8gppex/question_for_a_noob_who_are_the_autists/).
Damn - it seems that, as of about a half hour ago now - Reddit has banned /r/greatawakening (which is where your link goes to, as you know).

Here is a screen capture that I just took, of the banning notice:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Reddit_Greatawakening_Banned.jpg

~~~~~~~~

When I go to the specific link in your (TargetT's) post, I get a slightly different error message, which states that greatawakening was banned 39 minutes ago. The following screen shot was taken at 14:16 CDT time, on 12 Sept 2018. It is a screenshot of a page that I loaded probably at 14:15 or 14:16 CDT.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Reddit_Greatawakening_Banned_39_minutes_ago.jpg

[waves]

The PrayingMedic, who is one of the Q commentators I most enjoy listening to, has a good debunk of Microchip's claims to be the real Q....
PrayingMedic points out such things as Microchip posting what he claims is a screen shot of his early discussions about creating Q, where there is a link on the screen shot to an article on Breitbart. The screen shot shows a chat that allegedly occurred on Sept 14, 2017. The Brietbart article linked in that screen shot was not published until two days later, on Sept 16, 2018. At the 1:10:17 mark (https://youtu.be/BSHBeYhVlSY?t=1h10m17s), PrayingMedic asks "If this chat log was from Sept 14 of 2017, how did Microchip post a link to a Breitbart article that had not been published yet?"

PrayingMedic points out other anomalies in Microchip's claims as well. I conclude that Microchip is not the real creator of Q.....

Really disappointed in this finite 'concluding' Paul... AND Star Mariner also rushing to push this supposed proof to discredit Microchip. Yep, suddenly lots of chatter about the supposed date anomalies 'proving' Microchip was being deceptive....

Before I even went investigating, my first thought was... can't dates like this be easily photoshopped and wouldn't the Q moneymakers want to quick debunk any challenges that pop up? And even further, isn't it totally irresponsible to repeat the 'debunking' by someone who has been cited as one of the ORIGINAL Q PROMOTERS and ONGOING CAPITALIZERS-Praying Medic - without even making sure it wasn't a photoshop job?

Sure enough when I looked this photoshop job likelihood had already been outed. At the very least the truth is neither of us can prove it one way or other without original data and at the super very least, certainly does not make all the other evidence pointing to Pamphlet moot!!!

I was so hoping this thread would be far more judicious and level headed than the others, instead of another place to quick to throw out any miniscule and unverified muddying fodder out of a need to defend one's ego's rigid beliefs.

https://s33.postimg.cc/5z6z67br3/6_fake_dates_on_chatlogs2.png

[ThePythonicCow]

I was so hoping this thread would be far more judicious and level headed than the others, instead of another place to quick to throw out any miniscule and unverified muddying fodder out of a need to defend one's ego's rigid beliefs.
I trust that this thread can continue without provocative, derogatory, characterizations of the mind sets of others :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Really disappointed in this finite 'concluding' Paul... AND Star Mariner also rushing to push this supposed proof to discredit Microchip. Yep, suddenly lots of chatter about the supposed date anomalies 'proving' Microchip was being deceptive....

Before I even went investigating, my first thought was... can't dates like this be easily photoshopped and wouldn't the Q moneymakers want to quick debunk any challenges that pop up? And even further, isn't it totally irresponsible to repeat the 'debunking' by someone who has been cited as one of the ORIGINAL Q PROMOTERS and ONGOING CAPITALIZERS-Praying Medic - without even making sure it wasn't a photoshop job?
I'm not sure I am following you correctly, waves.

Are you saying that the claimed evidence of photoshopped dates that pro-Q people (such as Praying Medic and myself) are using to discredit microchip ... that that claimed evidence itself may well be fraudulently photoshopped?

[Matthew]

(I don't mean to cut over your question to waves Paul, so I'll shrink the font. It's late I want to post this and go to bed)

The bar is set high for judicious, level headed, without provocative, derogatory, characterizations of the mind sets of others, posts. This all sounds good anyway.

My attempt at a well phrased criticism: I can guess about someone elses global software infrastructure all day. I don't expect Trumps tweets would have a 10 mins., or whatever, delay.

The reason the delay comes into question is because it's a key piece of the story we can actually corroborate (or not), one way or another; will Q preempt Trumps tweets again? or can we find any other evidence for or against this twitter claim.

An other developer/sysop.'s and their dogs opinion, I'm really sorry to say... does not impress me. I've seen global software systems deliver realtime Software Asset Management information, from thousands of computers, world wide, in seconds. Realtime. I am well aware of how amazingly fast global systems are, or rather can be. And these global systems, that are so fast, make me go WOW. Including twitter. I love software that makes me go WOW, it's the business I;m in. Anyway I digress.

I can start to entertain the idea that loads are balanced, in the twitter infrastructure. And if anyone has edge cases, Trump might. I'm not trying to suggest this is the case. I actually would be surprised. I'm saying I can entertain these ideas, enough for me to email trumptwitterarchive asking if this twitter delay was true.

(I've seen codebases get MUNG'd over time, a codebase is VERY prone to performance degradation over time, and it's hard to keep her ship-shape)

But I've not received a reply from trumptwitterarchive, and may never. It doesn't stop anyone else emailing them and asking? if this isn;t a great idea, then any other suggestions for acquiring evidence based on this Trump tweet delay claim, beyond guessing?

[Daozen]

I would not be so quick to dismiss the time delay explanation........10-15 minutes to delay posting a tweet seems credible to me.

....
Let us approach this mystery with humility, and ask the experts.

IT expert here:

There's no way that anyone was able to receive a tweet 5-15 min before it was posted publicly with the typical way twitter works. That would be literally impossible with out intervention to delay (and THAT would be easily provable in itself, and overly obvious); this is a very very weak attempt to fool non-technical people who do not understand how these systems work.

The "we got tweets early" line is total BS and almost technically impossible, certainly HIGHLY improbable.


Target, I meant genuine experts. i.e., someone who has experience with the Twitter API, and/or who has studied Twitter and the science of systems at scale in depth. Those people are most likely on Stack Exchange. Im thinking of writing them a question. I posted documentation showing there are delays and disparities in times for Tweets appearing, sometimes of up to four hours. Apps using the Twitter API can lag behind the main Twitter app by seconds, dozens of minutes, or hours. The info is out there for anyone who spends 5 minutes Googling. It is less likely that an app could actually pre-empt the main Twitter feed, but still possible, when you consider how large Twitter is, and the massive computer power needed to update hundreds of millions of tweets.

Am I sure this confession is true? No. But I was asking that we *humbly* go through the details of the Twitter time-delay without resorting to ALL CAPS, assumptions, and self-proclaimed expertise. In general, you come of as cocksure and over-confident in your posts, which is not fun or interesting to deal with, especially as you seem to be bluffing sometimes.

Your answer contains zero references to actual documentation or any research you have done.

Then we have the issue that some mobile phones don't ask for Twitter updates in real time because it's a drain on the battery. This is another reason why a dedicated app focusing on one Tweeter, Donald Trump, could appear to post faster than the main Twitter app. When systems go large scale, the break and act weird.

I have no dog in this race. This is just a fun computer science question for me.

[Flash]

Daozen, Target IS a genuine expert!

If we do not believe our own in house expert, who will we trust?

One thing for sure: I may argue with Target about his confidence in lots of topic, but, over the years, i have no doubts he is an IT expert, as much as Hervé is a PhD in geology. Therefore, i trust him more than what is found on google for IT expertise.

Will I trust Hervé as an expert regarding geological earth changes? Of course - and I will trust him in French grammar as well, but will not call him a French grammar expert.

By the way, experts do not have to give reference, because THEY ARE the reference.
However, to cool down people who do not know much on the topic, they may sometimes refer to their expert colleagues work as those same colleagues will refer to the former expert if needed.

[Ratszinger]

Maybe someone wanted to see Trump's tweets to be sure what he was doing before allowing it public!? Especially if we believe motherjones telling us Trump almost started a war because of one of his tweets. Re: North Korea. If Trump was a natl. security concern, and apparently to some he was does it make sense there could be a delay for state officials?

[Daozen]

You have used ALL CAPS, Flash, adding further weight to your argument.

From an expert I would expect:

- Refer to facts.
- Use supporting evidence.
- At least 2 years experience working with the Twitter API.
- Be humble.

Asking me "trust the experts" means nothing. Trusting the experts has not served us well in politics or healthcare. Anyway, I am not here to debate Target's expertise. I am just asking him to speak softly and refer to facts. In this case, specifically facts surrounding the Twitter API, which is at the core of this piece of evidence. Evidence for Tweeting delays is all over Google.

- Q posts have always seemed like lies to me.
- The confession rings true (admittedly this is just my gut feeling)
- There is evidence of Tweeting time disparities on the net.

Anyway... carry on pundits.

[Flash]

From an expert I would expect:

- Refer to facts. he does, the facts that you mentioned, how much more can an expert do - do you need his years of university training and 20 years work learning infused through osmosis into you, to trust an expert?

- Use supporting evidence. He is the expert, why should he give supporting evidence? we are not in a research lab here taking years of research where evidence has to be replicated. Why should he write details that may take years to understand, because of necessary prior training needed? Gosh, does a brain surgeon needs to tell you everything he learned before doing his surgery?

- At least 2 years experience working with the Twitter API. Who told you he does not - he can't tell us, because of the nature of his work, but who tell you he does not.

- Be humble. I have rarely seen a humble PhD, no kidding, not when they are talking about their field of expertise. Humbleness does not mean bending to people who do not know. And they should not be humble for things related to their expertise.

But in turn we should be humble, because we do not know what they took years to learn and create.
This is, in my view, a comment you have regarding other posts Target makes were he is not an expert and you do not agree with him. Fair enough the, but not here on this topic.

Target, I never thought I would defend you ever!!!:rolf



Tell us what you are an expert in Daozen, so that we either give you the measure back, or respect you when you talk with thorough expertise.

This does not mean that Q posts are genuine either - or not genuine, but it may means that the detractor is not.

[waves]

I was so hoping this thread would be far more judicious and level headed than the others, instead of another place to quick to throw out any miniscule and unverified muddying fodder out of a need to defend one's ego's rigid beliefs.
I trust that this thread can continue without provocative, derogatory, characterizations of the mind sets of others :)

My comment was absolutely aimed at how often it's true that people's 'mindsets' so frequently ignore parts of an issue that doesn't support their their fixed belief, or they can't be bothered to take the significant time it would take to understand the whole issue but make comments from that pre-fixed, less than aware mindset.

So yes, I'm absolutely calling out the mindsets of some that deserve it - it's also fresh in my mind now because it was that behavior that caused the competing grandstanding chaos the first Q thread degraded into.


I'm not sure I am following you correctly, waves.

Are you saying that the claimed evidence of photoshopped dates that pro-Q people (such as Praying Medic and myself) are using to discredit microchip ... that that claimed evidence itself may well be fraudulently photoshopped?

Yes, I'm surprised it was unclear. I said that was the first question that popped into my mind before even looking into it, and I even included a screenshot from someone who had also quickly pointed that out that possibility. I also added there's no real proof either way yet so I was remaining open to verification.

But you did take the time to declare to all of us 'I conclude that Microchip is not the real creator of Q...' which reasonably means that your mind is now firmly sealed shut so I hope you won't just stay to keep arguing that fixed conclusion to the people here still wanting to discuss the subject with open minds.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes, I'm surprised it was unclear. I said that was the first question that popped into my mind before even looking into it, and I even included a screenshot from someone who had also quickly pointed that out that possibility. I also added there's no real proof either way yet so I was remaining open to verification.

But you did take the time to declare to all of us 'I conclude that Microchip is not the real creator of Q...' which reasonably means that your mind is now firmly sealed shut so I hope you won't just stay to keep arguing that fixed conclusion to the people here still wanting to discuss the subject with open minds.
Ok - so your comments are clear, and your mind is open to further evidence, but my mind is now firmly sealed shut.

I can understand that it could be frustrating to discuss something, under those circumstances. My condolences.

[Valerie Villars]

Oh, for heaven's sake. Can't we quit arguing over who's smarter and has more expertise than the other and just get on with the facts? Not meant at you at all Flash. Why are there always arguments on these threads about politics?

Ego=0

[Daozen]

From an expert I would expect:

- Refer to facts. he does, the facts that you mentioned, how much more can an expert do - do you need his years of university training and 20 years work learning infused through osmosis into you, to trust an expert?

- Use supporting evidence. He is the expert, why should he give supporting evidence? we are not in a research lab here taking years of research where evidence has to be replicated. Why should he write details that may take years to understand, because of necessary prior training needed? Gosh, does a brain surgeon needs to tell you everything he learned before doing his surgery?

- At least 2 years experience working with the Twitter API. Who told you he does not - he can't tell us, because of the nature of his work, but who tell you he does not.

- Be humble. I have rarely seen a humble PhD, no kidding, not when they are talking about their field of expertise. Humbleness does not mean bending to people who do not know. And they should not be humble for things related to their expertise.

But in turn we should be humble, because we do not know what they took years to learn and create.
This is, in my view, a comment you have regarding other posts Target makes were he is not an expert and you do not agree with him. Fair enough the, but not here on this topic.

Target, I never thought I would defend you ever!!!:rolf



Tell us what you are an expert in Daozen, so that we either give you the measure back, or respect you when you talk with thorough expertise.

This does not mean that Q posts are genuine either - or not genuine, but it may means that the detractor is not.

Now you are using red, that most lurid of hues.

I am NOT an expert, Flash. I am a researcher who knows little about the world. When I come across a subject I know little about, I keep my mouth shut and google. IT "expertise" does not translate across domains as well as people think. If someone said "I am an expert at classical guitar... this movie sucks, and here's why"... would their words carry any weight? I am wary of anyone claiming to be an expert. Now please, take your Nurse Ratched cap off and go get a drink of water, I tire of this attempt to shame me back on track.

Cordially,



P.S.

This is outstanding:

"He is the expert, why should he give supporting evidence?"

[Flash]

From an expert I would expect:

- Refer to facts. he does, the facts that you mentioned, how much more can an expert do - do you need his years of university training and 20 years work learning infused through osmosis into you, to trust an expert?

- Use supporting evidence. He is the expert, why should he give supporting evidence? we are not in a research lab here taking years of research where evidence has to be replicated. Why should he write details that may take years to understand, because of necessary prior training needed? Gosh, does a brain surgeon needs to tell you everything he learned before doing his surgery?

- At least 2 years experience working with the Twitter API. Who told you he does not - he can't tell us, because of the nature of his work, but who tell you he does not.

- Be humble. I have rarely seen a humble PhD, no kidding, not when they are talking about their field of expertise. Humbleness does not mean bending to people who do not know. And they should not be humble for things related to their expertise.

But in turn we should be humble, because we do not know what they took years to learn and create.
This is, in my view, a comment you have regarding other posts Target makes were he is not an expert and you do not agree with him. Fair enough the, but not here on this topic.

Target, I never thought I would defend you ever!!!:rolf



Tell us what you are an expert in Daozen, so that we either give you the measure back, or respect you when you talk with thorough expertise.

This does not mean that Q posts are genuine either - or not genuine, but it may means that the detractor is not.

Now you are using red, that most lurid of hues.

I am NOT an expert, Flash. I am a researcher who knows little about the world. When I come across a subject I know little about, I keep my mouth shut and google. IT "expertise" does not translate across domains as well as people think. If someone said "I am an expert at classical guitar... this movie sucks, and here's why"... would their words carry any weight? I am wary of anyone claiming to be an expert. Now please, take your Nurse Ratched cap off and go get a drink of water, I tire of this attempt to shame me back on track.

Cordially,



P.S.

This is outstanding:

"He is the expert, why should he give supporting evidence?"

you shamed yourself, I have nothing to do with it, you did it to yourself. But that is fine, we will all survive.

Oh, and when I answer within someone's else text, I almost always do it in red, so that it is easily read because of the differential. Not the first time I do it on this forum here, and nobody ever complained. Nothing negatively purposeful.

Cordially, Flash

[Daozen]

From an expert I would expect:

- Refer to facts. he does, the facts that you mentioned, how much more can an expert do - do you need his years of university training and 20 years work learning infused through osmosis into you, to trust an expert?

- Use supporting evidence. He is the expert, why should he give supporting evidence? we are not in a research lab here taking years of research where evidence has to be replicated. Why should he write details that may take years to understand, because of necessary prior training needed? Gosh, does a brain surgeon needs to tell you everything he learned before doing his surgery?

- At least 2 years experience working with the Twitter API. Who told you he does not - he can't tell us, because of the nature of his work, but who tell you he does not.

- Be humble. I have rarely seen a humble PhD, no kidding, not when they are talking about their field of expertise. Humbleness does not mean bending to people who do not know. And they should not be humble for things related to their expertise.

But in turn we should be humble, because we do not know what they took years to learn and create.
This is, in my view, a comment you have regarding other posts Target makes were he is not an expert and you do not agree with him. Fair enough the, but not here on this topic.

Target, I never thought I would defend you ever!!!:rolf



Tell us what you are an expert in Daozen, so that we either give you the measure back, or respect you when you talk with thorough expertise.

This does not mean that Q posts are genuine either - or not genuine, but it may means that the detractor is not.

Now you are using red, that most lurid of hues.

I am NOT an expert, Flash. I am a researcher who knows little about the world. When I come across a subject I know little about, I keep my mouth shut and google. IT "expertise" does not translate across domains as well as people think. If someone said "I am an expert at classical guitar... this movie sucks, and here's why"... would their words carry any weight? I am wary of anyone claiming to be an expert. Now please, take your Nurse Ratched cap off and go get a drink of water, I tire of this attempt to shame me back on track.

Cordially,



P.S.

This is outstanding:

"He is the expert, why should he give supporting evidence?"

you shamed yourself, I have nothing to do with it, you did it to yourself. But that is fine, we will all survive.

Oh, and when I answer within someone's else text, I almost always do it in red, so that it is easily read because of the differential. Not the first time I do it on this forum here, and nobody ever complained. Nothing negatively purposeful.

Cordially, Flash

We'll talk later, Flash.

I am eating custard apples.

Here's an article showing how unstable Twitter can be:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/25/twitter-axed-142k-apps-violating-tos-in-q1-accounting-for-130m-low-quality-tweets/

[happyuk]

Remember the dimwitted followers of Forest Gump? Does anyone see similarities?

I'm referring to that part in the movie where they follow him everywhere after imputing similarly groundless wisdom to the good-natured half-wit who provided absolutely no basis for reaching such a conclusion:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKKmzmeU5-0

Men in Black (movie) also parodied this inclination of so many to see meaning where none exists:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYQSBOMpb3Q

Ascribing profound meaning to "Q" ("QAnon") - when nobody has any idea of who (s)he/they is, or their credibility, and to wilfully choose to remain ignorant of that basic insight and choose to build upon such absolute ignorance a conclusion of profundity — is to conduct yourself every bit as stupidly as those followers of Forrest Gump.

[waves]

Remember the dimwitted followers of Forest Gump? Does anyone see similarities?

I'm referring to that part in the movie where they follow him everywhere after imputing similarly groundless wisdom to the good-natured half-wit who provided absolutely no basis for reaching such a conclusion:.....

Men in Black (movie) also parodied this inclination of so many to see meaning where none exists:......

....Ascribing profound meaning to "Q" ("QAnon") - when nobody has any idea of who (s)he/they is, or their credibility, and to wilfully choose to remain ignorant of that basic insight and choose to build upon such absolute ignorance a conclusion of profundity — is to conduct yourself every bit as stupidly as those followers of Forrest Gump.

Absolutely correct, thank you for saying that plain english and I agree that those film clips are disturbingly accurate analogies.

I'd only been a curious and wary sideline observer till recently, but the violent righteousness on the other thread made me realize the phenomenon was causing people to totally lose their objectivity... and it looked exactly like converse blind contemptuous anger of leftists we've been enduring for 2 years and a huge red flag that something was really wrong... despite the vicious allegiance being predicated on the supposed right reasons.

After taking a much closer look at the puzzle pieces and seeing the real picture start to emerge, I'm only now really waking up to the gravity of and creepiness of the mass delusion happening in real time.

Since I've now really, fully stepped away for the first time and withdrawn all benefit of the doubt from all 'names' in the arena and watching new/rewatching old videos with new eyes - a extremely disturbing level of organization, manipulation, profiteering and agenda is starting to become apparent.

It's taking a lot of learning! There's a gigantic arena to learn about involving the tech world, the lingo, the profiteering, new deception techniques, odd bedfellows plus lots of ego and criminality.

Especially creepy today was watching Patriot's Soapbox for the first time in a while and realizing I was watching one of the creator team of the Q posts pretending to be seeing them for the first time and 'analyzing' them. The political topics being presented and power to influence opinion about them was scary as sh*t.

I will post as the puzzle pieces get clearer.

Thanks again for the post.

[Daozen]

Q will be gone within 3-6 months. Best we just ignore them. It's really just a few thousand people who've chosen to lie to themselves. IMO we should honor their choice. Why try and wake them up when there are genuine people out there who need help?

I remember similar angry outbursts from the Keshe thread when he was challenged. His followers got really mad, borderline abusive. That thread spawned at least one rage quit. We've already had a rage quit over Q. Ima justgonna leave them alone.

They will lie to each other about Q. Once Q goes down, they will find something new to lie about.

Its their choice.

[Matthew]

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If it is a sham, let's hope it peters out. I've not been hooked by the phenomenon, except to appreciate the light it shines on uncomfortable subjects; which I adore. At the same time I'm nervous of 'trust the plan' and follow the leader... doesn't mix well with the mystery.

The twitter delay (reference this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1247518&viewfull=1#post1247518)), the twitter API change in August (reference this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1247777&viewfull=1#post1247777)) is where this thread is for me, that and a mix of opinion over if the twitter delay is even possible. My opinion is: it's not impossible enough to discount, given it's prominence in the whistleblowers testimony.

The twitter delay remains a piece of evidence which can be corroborated as time goes on. If Q does preempt Trump's+++ tweets, then that's fine. I don't swearingly :silent: care which way it corroborates, but this twitter delay thing remains open for me.

[TargeT]

Here's an article showing how unstable Twitter can be:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/25/twitter-axed-142k-apps-violating-tos-in-q1-accounting-for-130m-low-quality-tweets/

That article is about how twitter is banning "mass tweet" apps & trying to "filter the noise out of the signal" and encourage higher "quality" tweets... zero to do with instability nor time delays.

I can see some API tie TO twitter being delayed (IE: twitter posts a tweet, and an app doesn't get it for a while), but you are not getting data out of twitter before it posts; definitely not with a 15 min lead..... That's not how it works; I could go into a lot of explanations about why but where should I even start? The data would have to be re-directed from trump to a middle site where it's held for 15 min and available to "q" before posting to twitter; that would be easily provable by the perpetrator.

[Matthew]

Indeed there is a split of opinion over those entertaining the idea a Trump twitter delay is possible, and those who state with certainty that it's not.

The conflict is between 'I know' and 'I don't know'

If you are trying to convince me the delay is impossible TargeT you're not doing very well. Unless you have specific knowledge about the twitter infrastructure which would be useful to share, because this would make the difference.

[TargeT]

If you are trying to convince me the delay is impossible TargeT you're not doing very well.

I feel confident saying it's probably impossible, not that it is impossible.


Unless you have specific knowledge about the twitter infrastructure which would be useful to share, because this would make the difference.


I do not know any specific information about twitter to back this, but I have worked with relational databases before and do understand how the back end of twitter works, it's a case study for DBA's (data base administrators) in high volume rapid transactions. (http://highscalability.com/blog/2011/12/19/how-twitter-stores-250-million-tweets-a-day-using-mysql.html)

I have been working with systems *LIKE* twitter for years now and deeply understand the flow of data, I am SURE they did not re-invent the wheel (though they did come up with some very cool efficient methods).

Based on this, I feel confident saying it's probably impossible, not that it is impossible. ;)

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, TargeT....appreciate your view on a subject most of us know nothing about! :highfive:

[Matthew]

Ok! Niiiice. Thank you TargeT. I would like to give more of my own background to support my point of view. I've worked on a wide variety of software products as a developer. I'm old, and although my experience is humble, in my breadth of experience I've seen the madness from commercial pressure, and the strain that puts on infrastructures. It's a constant pressure and it only takes one crisis for pressures to intensify and mung one of the many layers of the whole system. A popular system that's been going for a while, like twitter, with huge commercial pressure, ..well, I'm trying to say is I can believe the whole twitter system isn't as formulaically predictable as we think it should be.

Cool stuff, thanks for elaborating :beer:

[ThePythonicCow]

I'd also keep in mind here that, so far as I know (though I have not looked all that carefully) we are comparing timestamps here, not ultimate arrival times.


Someone sends a tweet from their PC or phone.
Twitter.com servers get the tweet and start processing it.
During that processing, one of those servers stamps a time on it.
Twitter.com servers store and rebroadcast that timestamped tweet.
Other down stream apps and user PC/phones get that timestamped tweet
Those other apps further process and do whatever with it, whenever.
Those users eventually (seconds or hours later) view it.


I'd agree with TargeT that it is highly unlikely that from the time that the twitter.com server computers first get a new incoming tweet, until the time that they add a time stamp, is more than a fraction of a second, or perhaps occasionally under stress or severe loading, a few seconds.

If someone, anyone, can publish a separate message, accurately forecasting the content of an upcoming tweet, that is reliably time stamped more than a few seconds before the twitter.com provided time stamp on a tweet, then that it is probably certain that that someone had separate and prior knowledge of that upcoming tweet.

[Matthew]

I'd also keep in mind here that, so far as I know (though I have not looked all that carefully) we are comparing timestamps here, not ultimate arrival times.


Someone sends a tweet from their PC or phone.
Twitter.com servers get the tweet and start processing it.
During that processing, one of those servers stamps a time on it.
Twitter.com servers store and rebroadcast that timestamped tweet.
Other down stream apps and user PC/phones get that timestamped tweet
Those other apps further process and do whatever with it, whenever.
Those users eventually (seconds or hours later) view it.


I'd agree with TargeT that it is highly unlikely that from the time that the twitter.com server computers first get a new incoming tweet, until the time that they add a time stamp, is more than a fraction of a second, or perhaps occasionally under stress or severe loading, a few seconds.

If someone, anyone, can publish a separate message, accurately forecasting the content of an upcoming tweet, that is reliably time stamped more than a few seconds before the twitter.com provided time stamp on a tweet, then that it is probably certain that that someone had separate and prior knowledge of that upcoming tweet.

I would also assume the same, but with a key whistleblower saying otherwise why dismiss with many assumptions, why not drill down unrelentingly? Experience says systems are not always as clean as others might have done it. And yes I would be surprised but why brush off this point of possible corroboration either way, when ..as far as I know, Q has not preempted Trumps tweets+++ since? I'm happy to be put out my mis[t]ery either way.

[Daozen]

Here's an article showing how unstable Twitter can be:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/25/twitter-axed-142k-apps-violating-tos-in-q1-accounting-for-130m-low-quality-tweets/

That article is about how twitter is banning "mass tweet" apps & trying to "filter the noise out of the signal" and encourage higher "quality" tweets... zero to do with instability nor time delays.

I can see some API tie TO twitter being delayed (IE: twitter posts a tweet, and an app doesn't get it for a while), but you are not getting data out of twitter before it posts; definitely not with a 15 min lead..... That's not how it works; I could go into a lot of explanations about why but where should I even start? The data would have to be re-directed from trump to a middle site where it's held for 15 min and available to "q" before posting to twitter; that would be easily provable by the perpetrator.

Yes, that article I posted is only vaguely on topic. I just posted it for fun. By your own admission, you have not worked with Twitter, only systems "like" Twitter. Have you have worked on systems the size and scale of Twitter before? Everything works fine at small or mid scale, but when systems get huge, a lot of rules go out of the window. So your predictions and mental models of how Twitter scale systems should work may not necessarily map to reality as well as you would like.

The problem is, you are not referencing any real facts surrounding the Twitter API, only your own *cough* "expert" experience, and your over-confidence that you know this situation deeply. You also do not have that detachment and humility necessary for a decent, long, drawn out conversation about large scale systems. I think you are too interested in laying the smack down and being right. tl;dr, your confidence is out of place and irksome to the long-form researcher.

As YoYoYo says, I would like to go about slowly corroborating (or discounting) that piece of evidence. I agree that a time-delay from an app is easily possible. Pre-empting a tweet is less likely, but still not impossible given that:

1) This is a Presidential Twitter account maybe subject to unique media/deep-state filtering.
2) Twitter is huge and unpredictable.
3) There are precedents for delayed tweets.

BTW, scheduled (user-delayed) tweets are available on Twitter. This is easily Googleable. As someone said earlier, as Trump is somewhat of a loose cannon, it is possible that his Tweets are subject to a review system. It may be possible that some layers of the API are not subject to that review system. We also have a claim from the whistleblower that Twitter changed their system at some point, and corresponding documentation from Twitter showing that the rules for their API did indeed change.

So it's an interesting mystery.

Instead of going round in circles, we could actually contact this whistleblower and see what he says.

[Daozen]

I'd also keep in mind here that, so far as I know (though I have not looked all that carefully) we are comparing timestamps here, not ultimate arrival times.


Someone sends a tweet from their PC or phone.
Twitter.com servers get the tweet and start processing it.
During that processing, one of those servers stamps a time on it.
Twitter.com servers store and rebroadcast that timestamped tweet.
Other down stream apps and user PC/phones get that timestamped tweet
Those other apps further process and do whatever with it, whenever.
Those users eventually (seconds or hours later) view it.


I'd agree with TargeT that it is highly unlikely that from the time that the twitter.com server computers first get a new incoming tweet, until the time that they add a time stamp, is more than a fraction of a second, or perhaps occasionally under stress or severe loading, a few seconds.

If someone, anyone, can publish a separate message, accurately forecasting the content of an upcoming tweet, that is reliably time stamped more than a few seconds before the twitter.com provided time stamp on a tweet, then that it is probably certain that that someone had separate and prior knowledge of that upcoming tweet.

I would also assume the same, but with a key whistleblower saying otherwise why dismiss with many assumptions, why not drill down unrelentingly? Experience says systems are not always as clean as others might have done it. And yes I would be surprised but why brush off this point of possible corroboration either way, when ..as far as I know, Q has not preempted Trumps tweets+++ since? I'm happy to be put out my mis[t]ery either way.

You made a key point here YoYoYo... The anti-Twitter-delay posters, are mainly working from their own assumptions, and dismissing claims of delays based on their own internal mental models. There is little effort being put into googling the specifics or even reading about the many problems Twitter have had working at a huge scale. This is not the way forward. I am not fiercely advocating that there was a definite delay, only that it is a matter worth investigating, for the pure fun of it.

The only way to uncover this is to look at each piece of evidence bit by bit.

[ThePythonicCow]

... but with a key whistleblower saying otherwise ...
... only that it is a matter worth investigating, for the pure fun of it ...
Knock yourself out (slang for "go for it".) Enjoy your investigations.

I don't recall seeing anything that convinced me that this "key whistleblower" knew anything more, or even as much as, TargeT or myself.

Did I miss something (something above and beyond the individual's own self descriptions) ?

[Matthew]

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I don't recall seeing anything that convinced me that this "key whistleblower" knew anything more, or even as much as, TargeT or myself.

Did I miss something (something above and beyond the individual's own self descriptions) ?

Possibly... the whistleblower didn't claim technical expertise, they stated as a thing they knew being part of the team; it was Q's information source, this combined with '4am specials' and other sources.

Was it '4am wonders'? but it was 4am something. I might have to watch the more than an hour long video again...

><


The '4am specials' are not connected to twitter (instead to do with access of some news feed) other than the claims this is one of Q's sources, amongst others.

[Matthew]

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I don't recall seeing anything that convinced me that this "key whistleblower" knew anything more, or even as much as, TargeT or myself.
...

Can anyone else see what's wrong with this statement?

[Words of Joy]

Personally, having followed Q from November on wards, I didn't bother to look into the Microchip story. To me it was expected, and I've seen similar claims before like Leftists pranksters, LARP, Q not being initial Q anymore and what more. Whenever I read something like it, I skip, because it just doesn't make sense given all the proof that has already been given.

I'll list a few:
-Q clock: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Q+clock+explained / https://www.qproofs.com/q-clock.html
-Q hand signs by POTUS: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=POTUS+Q+hand+sign
-DOITQ twitter image POTUS
-POTUS pointing at Q: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=POTUS+pointing+Q
-POTUS referencing 'Calm before the storm' at photo shoot
-The investigation regarding 'Russian Collusion' / FISA abuse is following the exact path as Q pointed out up front, on different moments in time.
-Sealed indictments
-No name's Dog's day

The list is way longer, but I'll leave it at this. Point is, no prankster/mod/IT-expert/larp can get involvement of POTUS like has been the case. Or could make predictions as detailed on level as Q has been doing.

As pointed out in other posts here as well: when MSM start to write articles to descredit Q, one should, imho, be vigilant about it. And personally, I totally disregard it, as I don't trust the MSM on this topic, knowing their global interests.

Having said all of the above, I think it is also important to remain vigilant about where the Q story is heading to. No common man really fully knows where it is ultimately heading. And we can't say that the issues in the Middle East (Syria/Yemen) have been resolved. I know I will be watching to see how things evolve not only on a US national level. I'm praying for good things.

[ThePythonicCow]

Perhaps Q's posts are like the moves of a top level basketball player ... the moves do not predict where the player is going, but rather they make room, open up opportunities to shoot or drive or pass, keep the defense off balance, and make it more difficult for the defense to block a pass or shot or stop a drive.

In other words, to "control the narrative."

Exactly what will go down, when, is not known to most ahead of time, and unpredictable in detail by anyone until the moment for action.

Q has gotten many of us researching various aspects of the dreadful, deep and varied corruption that has its power center in Washington, DC, but spans the globe and includes numerous other powers (corporate, national, NGO, wealthy, ...)

Now when, at various times mostly yet to be seen, various elements of that power structure are dismantled, it will be easier to get a more truthful narrative out there, and it will be more difficult for the corrupt to put out a woefully false narrative.

This also makes it more difficult for the deep state to run false flag operations. For example, it seems that, given what we know now, and who knows or suspects it, that it would be difficult for the American (and British, Israeli and/or Saudi) deep state to pull off another 9/11. They could no longer reliably get their "19 Arab hijackers flying planes into buildings" narrative, leading to a lengthy "War on Terror", to stick.

In short: keep the deep state on their back heels, unsure, reacting, off balance.

Actually telling that deep state, or us, what is going to happen when ahead of time would usually be counterproductive, except perhaps when one has such a dominant upper hand that one can "rub it in their faces."

[waves]

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I don't recall seeing anything that convinced me that this "key whistleblower" knew anything more, or even as much as, TargeT or myself.
...

Can anyone else see what's wrong with this statement?

First I want to say thanks YoYoYo, I so appreciate your posts so far here trying to be fair and accurate to just find out what's true or not - it's obvious you're not pushing for or attached to any outcome.

I get why the tweet delay talking point matters, but to me the context also is that it was a rare unsubstantiated talking point plucked out of literally 150+ other substantiated talking points that established a very tightly laid out big picture. So if you mean Paul's statement comes off as cavalier and dismissive in contrast to you and the others who stated your case but left it as the verdict is still out, I very much agree.

But if you're also feeling the very passive aggressive seething within Paul's attitude over and over already, I agree there too and want to say something about it and to potentially other militant Q believers who might visit here.

More than anything Paul, I really don't believe you actually watched the OP video carefully if at all. Even before YoYoYo's comment I wanted to ask you to please respect the request in the OP and use the other two threads for continuing any more pro-Q arguing or expressing dismissive contempt for people on the fence or already on the other side from you. Especially as a mod, I'm disappointed you instantly barged in here refusing to respect the OP request to not still be a Q believer if you post here.

It would be different if you showed any understanding of the other 150+ OP video puzzle pieces and especially the hard evidence that adds up that others find convincing. But you're one of this forum's extreme Q believers and it feels like you only came here to push whatever you could quick find in non-believer faces because you couldn't stand the premise of this thread. I started it to escape that seething quality that just boiled over in the extreme believers the 1st Q thread. Please come back when you really understand the entirety of the picture presented by Unirock. I had to watch twice and really pay attention.

[Words of Joy]

Actually telling that deep state, or us, what is going to happen when ahead of time would usually be counterproductive, except perhaps when one has such a dominant upper hand that one can "rub it in their faces."

Yes, and in that regard, I've read something that is pretty much unverifiable at this point, though interesting, is related to the post:
"What makes a movie GOOD?
GREAT actors?
Q"
And related to the quote "Every battle is won before it's ever fought.". What if indeed 'offers they (deep state targets) can't refuse' were already made. Treason/death penalty hanging above their heads and offering prison if they cooperate in bringing more down by playing a certain role. That would definitely make them GREAT actors.

And as has been proven (at least to my conviction) No name was not one of those to receive a deal and live. Of HRC was said 'No deal'. Let's see what happens. The world is watching. And the world knows about the big crimes that were concocted and executed. Dominoes are falling at steady pace.

Deep state will also understand what is happening and it will, expectedly, cause extreme situations, were people either try to safe them selves by ratting, trying to overthrow POTUS, or worse. Though with communication systems crippled, money flows cut off, security clearances removed, and surveillance by US MI/SIGINT the deep state operations will not run smoothly, to say the least.

[Bill Ryan]

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I don't recall seeing anything that convinced me that this "key whistleblower" knew anything more, or even as much as, TargeT or myself.
...

Can anyone else see what's wrong with this statement?

Paul has said that he's stepping away from this thread now, and so I feel it may be helpful to attempt a clarification on his behalf. I'm genuinely trying to be a translator here. :flower:

As best I can see, Paul is calling on his own technical expertise to cast doubt on the veracity of the claimed whistleblower's reported testimony. Whether or not the whistleblower is real, I think this is what Paul was trying to convey.

[Daozen]

Someone's background should not give their points in a debate any more weight. That's an appeal to authority and it's not logical. "I'm a doctor, and I can tell you that Iodine/MMS/Turpentine is dangerous" would not be acceptable on Project Avalon, so why would invoking your past be OK in a technical thread? YoYoYo and I both have experience in this field too, but it is not..... uh..... British..... to refer to your own past in a debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkF_XpA5P48

The debate surrounds Twitter + time delays and so I would expect posters to refer to actual googleable facts. The "Twitter delay is impossible posters" have not done this. Info surrounding accidentally delayed tweets, and deliberately delayed (scheduled) tweets is available online, and referenced in this thread.

Q has had his run. He's told his lies, had his 15 minutes, peaked... and now he's on an alt media popularity downswing, as we've seen so many times before. He'll be gone in 3-6 months.

Seeing Trump point to a cardboard cutout Q sign doesn't offer very strong corroborating evidence, in my view. Even if Trump was working with Q it could just mean Q is a propagandist.

[RunningDeer]

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I don't recall seeing anything that convinced me that this "key whistleblower" knew anything more, or even as much as, TargeT or myself.
...

Can anyone else see what's wrong with this statement?

Paul has said that he's stepping away from this thread now, and so I feel it may be helpful to attempt a clarification on his behalf. I'm genuinely trying to be a translator here. :flower:

As best I can see, Paul is calling on his own technical expertise to cast doubt on the veracity of the claimed whistleblower's reported testimony. Whether or not the whistleblower is real, I think this is what Paul was trying to convey.

Paul exhibits an amazing amount of patience AND tolerance across these threads AND
time.. and, AND….


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/cow2.gifKudos and thank you, Paul ♡ http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/cow.gif

[Words of Joy]

Seeing Trump point to a cardboard cutout Q sign doesn't offer very strong corroborating evidence, in my view. Even if Trump was working with Q it could just mean Q is a propagandist.

If that was the only thing, then sure. Though the list is not exactly short. And of course it's theater, even Q admits it's a movie/show. Yes, it's a means to an end. That's also no secret. I ask myself, to what end. And as said before it is not fully clear, therefor I stay vigilant. On the other hand, when I see some enemies of the people, showing themselves on MSM with desperate messages to fire up people against Trump, then I can't escape the feeling that something good is happening. When I read the media in the Netherlands, that have been copy pasting 'news' that was created by PR firms and telling lies about a bunch of dirty shenanigans which included NATO, EU, US for ages, now telling us how bad Trump is, day and again, then I get a good feeling about the whole thing.

Daozen, based on all the 'autists' work and that has past, not only on 8chan, but also regarding DDOS attacks on 8chan, the censoring of content on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, the different articles on MSM media against the Q phenomenon, the people in congress not running for next term, the people that got fired from FBI, removed/demoted in DOJ, the bombing of poppy fields in Afghanistan, the closing of border with Mexico, the work on human trafficking, McCain's death and what more, what is your opinion exactly on the whole situation and Q's role in it? Q has been saying movie 2 and 3 are still to come. What makes you think it will be over in 3-6 months?

[ThePythonicCow]

As best I can see, Paul is calling on his own technical expertise to cast doubt on the veracity of the claimed whistleblower's reported testimony. Whether or not the whistleblower is real, I think this is what Paul was trying to convey.
I had listened, a couple of times, for as long as I could keep my mind focused, to the opening video by the one who claimed to be a member of the team that created Q.

The style of rhetoric in that video put me off strongly ... quite possibly a reaction similar to what many posting here on this thread have to Q.

So I concluded in my gut (and saw no technical proof to the contrary) that it was the one in that opening video who was the fake.

At present, I can not see any useful way, using evidence that we all would accept, to prove a dang thing as to which of Q or this Q creation team member was or was not the fake.

So ... carry on ... one, or the other, or perhaps both of us, will eventually be shown to have been taken in by a hoax. Such is life. It certainly would not be the first time that I believed something that was false, or disbelieved something that was true.

[Valerie Villars]

But if you're also feeling the very passive aggressive seething within Paul's attitude over and over already, I agree there too and want to say something about it and to potentially other militant Q believers who might visit here.

I'm not invested in any of this and I had to pick up my jaw off the floor when I read this. I don't think I've seen evidence of this in any of Paul's posts since I've been here. Paul has a very easy going nature as I understand it.

[Flash]

Someone's background should not give their points in a debate any more weight. That's an appeal to authority and it's not logical. "I'm a doctor, and I can tell you that Iodine/MMS/Turpentine is dangerous" would not be acceptable on Project Avalon, so why would invoking your past be OK in a technical thread? YoYoYo and I both have experience in this field too, but it is not..... uh..... British..... to refer to your own past in a debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkF_XpA5P48

The debate surrounds Twitter + time delays and so I would expect posters to refer to actual googleable facts. The "Twitter delay is impossible posters" have not done this. Info surrounding accidentally delayed tweets, and deliberately delayed (scheduled) tweets is available online, and referenced in this thread.

Q has had his run. He's told his lies, had his 15 minutes, peaked... and now he's on an alt media popularity downswing, as we've seen so many times before. He'll be gone in 3-6 months.

Seeing Trump point to a cardboard cutout Q sign doesn't offer very strong corroborating evidence, in my view. Even if Trump was working with Q it could just mean Q is a propagandist.

Yeah, congrats Daozen, you are succeeding in trolling this thread with your stupid stuborness about real experts expertise.

So now, nobody wants to post here and go into a jumping loop of trolling controlled by Daozen.

If we are not to believe at a minimum the good intentions of people we have dealt with for years , and their true expertise, awe are doomed to continuous stupidity.

Without true expertise, we would not have electricity, computers, penicillin, lasers, name it. But Either you are unable to catch this, or you get a summum pleasure in trolling

[Matthew]

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Paul exhibits an amazing amount of patience AND tolerance across these threads AND
time.. and, AND….


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/cow2.gifKudos and thank you, Paul ♡ http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/cow.gif

Ok, I hear this. Point taken and understood and beautifully put.

[Ratszinger]

Aside from the Twitter time delay question, what about the other things brought up> that being Serial Brain, the Baker bros. connection and so on? Are these connections real? Is there any meat there? There is a lot more in the video than just the Twitter time delay question that everyone seems hung up on. Just a thought.

[RunningDeer]

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Paul exhibits an amazing amount of patience AND tolerance across these threads AND
time.. and, AND….


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/cow2.gifKudos and thank you, Paul ♡ http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/cow.gif

Ok, I hear this. Point taken and understood and beautifully put.

Thank you, YoYoYohttp://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-in-hug.gif

♡

[Franny]

Good grief, I see no reason for Paul to step away from this thread.

I have no dog in any Q theory race, but I have a few suspicions. Just watching it all play out...

[ThePythonicCow]

Good grief, I see no reason for Paul to step away from this thread.
I've already recently posted, on another related aspect of Q, on this thread.

But for now I have nothing to add to the primary question on this thread.

[Daozen]

Yeah, congrats Daozen, you are succeeding in trolling this thread with your stupid stuborness about real experts expertise.



Please find yourself a hobby, Flash, and let go of the bizarre fascination you have with my posts. I don't have the energy to respond to you any more. It's a sunny day. Apologies + adieu.

The topic on the table is Q, the Twitter Delay, and other anomalies brought up by the video. If people are having a hard time watching the clip again, there's a transcript on the first page.

[waves]

https://i.postimg.cc/vTL9nxQd/truceresetplease.jpg

Earlier this month I posted a video by Unirock on the Q-Believers thread that made the case for Q as an opportunity picked up and exploited by Pamphlet Anon that the Q-Believers reacted to as an attack on their sacred belief that Q is a Trump insider working with Trump. I was ridiculed, dismissed, treated as a totally unwelcome invader and yelled at...


https://i.postimg.cc/3xwpywVP/KIWI_start_your_own.png

I DID START THIS THREAD IN RESPONSE clearly stating it's purpose and premise as being for Non-Believers only, but Q-Believers instantly disrespected it and appeared right away ridiculing it and re-preaching their same Q-Believer beliefs.


THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SHARPLY DIVIDED SITUATION AND I'M SUGGESTING A TRUCE
https://i.postimg.cc/Zq4Qv269/split.jpg
Because there's so much intense resentment from both sides towards any posts on 'their' thread by the other, I propose the two sides really do leave each other alone - stop trying to impose any 'factual' superiority or trying to convince people on the 'other' thread that they're wrong.

FOUNDATIONAL DIFFERENCES:
BELIEVERS: Q believers are convinced beyond any doubt that from Post 1 Q has been a person or persons working within the Trump organization using the 4 then 8chan platform to relay cryptic clues about political workings going on, suggestions of what questions to ask and topics Trump is aware of and they completely trust Q's repeated assurances that Trump is working as fast as he can to address it all including his frequent encouragements to 'trust the plan'.

NON-BELIEVERS: Non-Believers are not challenging the substance of many topics being brought into public view by Q... but question the identity(s) who are doing it, other behind the scenes players in cooperation and the possibly not so benevolent ultimate agendas. Non-believers think Q is not a Trump insider in collusion with Trump, suspect Q's posts have been from numerous anons as control changed hands, and that Q is most likely now output from Pamphlet Anon and those in collusion with him who are all grandly profiting from the movement from their Patriot's Soapbox.

The point is, it's crystal clear that posts by one side into the other are completely unwelcome by either side and because there is no openness to what the other is convinced of and no chance one side will succeed in convincing the other - not unlike historical territory protecting and defending against what feels to each side as invasion.....


So...HOW ABOUT A TRUCE?
Can we experiment practicing real mutual respect and leave each other alone? https://i.postimg.cc/vTqPnK8y/truceolivesmaller.jpg

I will not initiate any posts, videos or arguments on the Q-Believers thread or reply to their posts there... and encourage both sides to do the same.

HOWEVER - I propose 'invasions' on either thread should be ignored and instead 'kicked back to their own thread' by replying to them THERE. Maybe that will stop intrusions.

I predict only Q-Believers will be the only side continuing to invade and post on a thread they don't understand the thinking of at all while showing great disdain for the participants anyway.

But how about we give it a try and let time show who had character, substance and facts?

~~~~~~~~~~

https://i.postimg.cc/J4Vj8dvv/stages.jpg

[Matthew]

https://i.postimg.cc/Zq4Qv269/split.jpg

Beautiful idea to call out the tension, and request the amiable :)

Matthew

xxx

VV1XWJN3nJo

[waves]

Thanks YoYoYo. This is such a huge phenomenon with lots more to talk about than is being addressed elsewhere on this Forum.


I CALL RESET and HAPPY HOUR at the Q REVEALED PUB

https://i.postimg.cc/Hx6Mpc9Z/HAPPY_HOUR_reduced2.jpg

...and WELCOME to those who believe Q is not a Trump insider OR remains on the fence as an undecided, curious questioner, and hope you agree that the OP video is overflowing with subjects to discuss the merits of over a couple of cool ones of your choice....


https://i.postimg.cc/QdRGyfLS/Q_REVEALED_PUBreduced.jpg

THANK YOU!

[ThePythonicCow]

The point is, it's crystal clear that posts by one side into the other are completely unwelcome by either side and because there is no openness to what the other is convinced of and no chance one side will succeed in convincing the other - not unlike historical territory protecting and defending against what feels to each side as invasion.....


So...HOW ABOUT A TRUCE?
Can we experiment practicing real mutual respect and leave each other alone? https://i.postimg.cc/vTqPnK8y/truceolivesmaller.jpg

I will not initiate any posts, videos or arguments on the Q-Believers thread or reply to their posts there... and encourage both sides to do the same.

HOWEVER - I propose 'invasions' on either thread should be ignored and instead 'kicked back to their own thread' by replying to them THERE. Maybe that will stop intrusions.
I would recommend a more relaxed policy, in which a given thread may well have a definite pro or anti Q bias, but still relatively brief and respectful comments of the opposite view are welcome.

Let the main work of a given thread proceed, without being overwhelmed by debunking or dissenting efforts from the other side, but keep in mind that sometimes we might learn something from someone with a different viewpoint.

As I noted in an earlier post above, I had nothing more useful to add regarding the main topic of this thread ... carry on and may your discussion here be fruitful.

[waves]

Paul, you're not on a throne. Considering you're the most Q-obsessed person at Avalon, you totally disrespectfully barged into this thread without understanding the OP content AT ALL and were the worst repeat offender quick because it's premise bigtime pushed your buttons you've shown your cards. This comment ignores all the positive of my effort and olive branch, my going away from the other thread when asked, my trying to lighten things up here with a chill-out bar....but you had to show up right away again to pick on something. I've lost respect for you and now realize all your measured pseudo-politeness is a facade for passive control-freakiness.

I made a big effort to explain why conventional wisdom does not apply in many ways right now and how something way more intense and divisive is happening. I'm just calling a spade a spade and proposing an unconventional approach. It's just flat out true that the 'convinced' on either side... for now.... are not interested AT ALL in learning from the other. I say so be it, let's deal with it, but I won't be bullied either by people that aren't even trying to understand the reasoning of a thread they're posting in. Whatever they 'get to do', so do I, but I'd prefer mutual space and respect.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul ... I've lost respect for you and now realize all your measured pseudo-politeness is a facade for passive control-freakiness.

... but I'd prefer mutual space and respect.

respect you say ... ?

[Debra]

A thread is a thread is a thread .. to keep open conversation on all points of interpretation, surely. I don’t have a deep vested interest in this topic of Q but I am learning a lot from the different perspectives about it and they are diverse on either side of the fence.

I think everyone is offering food for thought and everyone has the right to express that - it’s a process to unpack this and really all minds need to keep processing together their divergent beliefs until some shared clarity is reached, surely.

Someone close once said to me do not bring up the dynamics of our relationship with a counsellor who we were sharing at the time. Point is, no one is going to get above the fray and understand any of this if a decision is taken to just quarantine or dismiss or denigrate a whole line of thinking that is clearly living and staring us in the face without asking why it exists. No matter what side of the fence it sits on.

Sincerely no disrespect to anyone on here as I do realise that I am off topic here. I don’t want to be a thread killer. You are all amazing. That’s what I am seeing. Just saying ;)

:focus:

[Jayke]

I’m confused!:confused:

But isn’t having a thread where only Q-skeptics allowed to post an act of division within itself? I’m sure the Q-aficionados welcome a bit of back and forth debate, it helps keep things lively.

I’m not convinced by the QBRD_BAKER confession. Just on a linguistic analysis of the confession itself, I wouldn’t expect the person that wrote that to be the same person that writes the Q drops. Maybe I just skimmed over it too quickly, but, does it anywhere state how the person behind Q could’ve predicted 5 months in advance that Trump would move to declassify the FISA?

I’m still on the fence about Q’s endgame, or whether they’re white hats trying to bring down the deep state or black hats trying to consolidate power and round up the competition. There’s definitely more going on than just a few people having a LARP and trying to sell merchandise though.

Cynthia McKinney said in a tweet a while back that she believes Steve Pieczenik is Q. He’s the only person in the mainstream, that I know of, who has the intelligence background to pull the Q-movement off. But even with Pieczniek I’m dubious about what his overall intentions are. He certainly has it in for the Neocons and wants to see them brought down.

The Q confession is circumstantial and speculative to say the least. Paul and others have a right to question its authenticity, just as the Q-skeptics have a right to question Q’s authenticity. As Debra mentions above, it’s only through a cross-pollination of facts and details from all the Q threads, that we’ll get to unravel the real endgame of the Q-movement imo.

I remain open to all points of view and the deductive reasoning from all sides of the fence.

[Ratszinger]

I’m confused!:confused:

But isn’t having a thread where only Q-skeptics allowed to post an act of division within itself? I’m sure the Q-aficionados welcome a bit of back and forth debate, it helps keep things lively.

I’m not convinced by the QBRD_BAKER confession. Just on a linguistic analysis of the confession itself, I wouldn’t expect the person that wrote that to be the same person that writes the Q drops. Maybe I just skimmed over it too quickly, but, does it anywhere state how the person behind Q could’ve predicted 5 months in advance that Trump would move to declassify the FISA?

I’m still on the fence about Q’s endgame, or whether they’re white hats trying to bring down the deep state or black hats trying to consolidate power and round up the competition. There’s definitely more going on than just a few people having a LARP and trying to sell merchandise though.

Cynthia McKinney said in a tweet a while back that she believes Steve Pieczenik is Q. He’s the only person in the mainstream, that I know of, who has the intelligence background to pull the Q-movement off. But even with Pieczniek I’m dubious about what his overall intentions are. He certainly has it in for the Neocons and wants to see them brought down.

The Q confession is circumstantial and speculative to say the least. Paul and others have a right to question its authenticity, just as the Q-skeptics have a right to question Q’s authenticity. As Debra mentions above, it’s only through a cross-pollination of facts and details from all the Q threads, that we’ll get to unravel the real endgame of the Q-movement imo.

I remain open to all points of view and the deductive reasoning from all sides of the fence.

Steve is a top choice for the team of three certainly. Roger Stone another, and Kevin Shipp another. There also is Michael Aquino who would be my number one candidate for being Q because Qanon can be found in his name itself. Aquino=Iqanou and if you reverse the u it's I Q Anon which many would say could be quite simply put coincidence. Do we believe in that now?

[TargeT]

Kind of hard to be skeptical about Q after the FISA declass though; isn't it?

Not to say it's NOT something other than what it seems... but certainly the... collusion (?) between Q and the POTUS is very clear at this point.

I'd rather see this debate aimed a different way.... Is Q a "steam release valve"? Like (IMO) Ron Paul was/is?.... is Q Ron Paul v2?

so far we aren't hearing anything mentioned about the "families" that are plaguing the world... no rothchilds, no rockefeller's; just the "front women/men" that are public and placed in front of us (for a reason I'm sure).

I do not think this (politics, world turmoil, shadow control structures etc..) is a game of checkers... it's 500 games of chess that all inter depend on each other; where any game win or loss effects the move of the games next to it.... Q makes it too simple IMO.

[waves]

Pamphlet was offered several million dollar$ for the puny Patriot's Soapbox?

This is longtime hacker Pamphlet himself explaining why he had to 'turn it down' for his morals and how much fun he was having.

Hard to believe this has been the only offer either with money this B...I...G on the table obviously recognizing the value of the political influence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVQ3romHtTc&ab_channel=RooseveltMedia

[Bill Ryan]

Pamphlet was offered several million dollar$ for the puny Patriot's Soapbox?


@waves, I wonder if you might take a little bit of time (but maybe a very useful investment for everyone) to spell out, maybe in neat bulletpoints, who as best you can see may be responsible for whatever you feel has happened here, or been happening. And, how they're connected, and who they are.

You could also explain super-clearly exactly what you think has happened from the very start, and why.

We really need a kind of 'Q=LARP 101' here, as a let's-look-at-it-carefully hypothesis that at least people can fully understand and then comment on intelligently.

For instance, all these usernames and acronyms ('CBTS', 'Unirock', 'Pamphlet', 'Radix', 'Baruch', 'Murk Murk', 'Farmer Funk', 'Code Monkey', 'Obobo', 'Rain', and maybe even 'Tracybeanz') may not mean a thing to some readers.

Many won't have heard of 'Patriots' Soapbox', or understand its role in all this.

Who are they all?? I'd actually really appreciate that kind of primer myself.

Unless readers have been following the ongoing YouTube channel exchanges in depth, it's just more opaque, in-group code. People not clued-in to what the heck is being debated may well glaze over and move on quickly. And NOT discuss what you'd really like them to be paying attention to.

We need one of those scenes at the end of each Agatha Christie novel, where Hercule Poirot gathers everyone together and explains exactly who did it, how they gave themselves away, and just how he figured it all out.

:)

[waves]

Funny you should ask, I have been sort of keeping one that was orderly at first then kept getting messier with all the out of order puzzle pieces that kept coming.

Also, it's clear we're not going to get many to really grok the OP video, and even though I did, I could use a reference myself there are so many parts.

I'll do that asap, it's going to take a chunk of days...

[mountain_jim]

Kind of hard to be skeptical about Q after the FISA declass though; isn't it?

Not to say it's NOT something other than what it seems... but certainly the... collusion (?) between Q and the POTUS is very clear at this point.

I'd rather see this debate aimed a different way.... Is Q a "steam release valve"? Like (IMO) Ron Paul was/is?.... is Q Ron Paul v2?

so far we aren't hearing anything mentioned about the "families" that are plaguing the world... no rothchilds, no rockefeller's; just the "front women/men" that are public and placed in front of us (for a reason I'm sure).

I do not think this (politics, world turmoil, shadow control structures etc..) is a game of checkers... it's 500 games of chess that all inter depend on each other; where any game win or loss effects the move of the games next to it.... Q makes it too simple IMO.


If I understand what you are saying I think we have heard, and Q interpreters have taken it deeper. (Well Q has not spelled out Payseur by name, only [P] )

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/08/16/p-the-unseen-masters-of-all-qanon-greatawakening-whoisp-illuminati-13bloodlines-payseur-springmeier/




https://www.neonrevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/firefox_2018-08-14_17-59-06.png

..

Drop 299 was the first mention of P, and as far as I can tell, and what Q establishes here is a hierarchy – most notably Q’s pyramid.

We all know that a pyramid has three sides, and these three sides were Soros, the House of Saud, and the Rothschilds…

..

Moving on, P makes his next appearance in drop 714:

..

So who is this mysterious P that remains hidden in the shadows, across generations? The P whom even the Rothschilds bow to?

Fritz Springmeier may hold the answer for us, but before we dive in, some background on Springmeier:

...
Springmeier tells us that there are actually Thirteen Illuminati Bloodlines. They are:
1.The Astor Bloodline
2.The Bundy Bloodline
3.The Collins Bloodline
4.The DuPont Bloodline
5.The Freeman Bloodline
6.The Kennedy Bloodline
7.The Li Bloodline
8.The Onassis Bloodline
9.The Rockefeller Bloodline
10.The Rothschild Bloodline
11.The Russell Bloodline
12.The Van Duyn Bloodline
13.The Merovingian Bloodline

But the Merovingians consider themselves… special.

Why?

Because they say their bloodline contains the blood of Christ (or that of the House of David – depending on who you ask), and the seed of Satan – and they expect to produce the Anti-Christ from their line.

..

See, the Payseurs were French royalty – descendants of Marie Antoinette, specifically – who had fled France in the face of violent revolution. In other words, the Payseur bloodline stems from the Merovingian Dynasty.

Alex Christopher gives us a history in his book The Ultimate Unseen Hand Behind the New World Order:

...

The Rothschilds and the other Illumined families?

They ALL serve the Payseurs, according to Springmeier:


...

But the one thing that is clear is that this Merovingian line – from which spring the Payseurs – is the most dominant, and best hidden, of all the Illuminati bloodlines.

And once in America, they immediately set to work rebuilding their empire. This document lists a number of Payseur assets – and as you will see, they used a number of shell companies to obfuscate their ownership and controlling interest from the public eye:

[waves]

Paul ... I've lost respect for you and now realize all your measured pseudo-politeness is a facade for passive control-freakiness.

... but I'd prefer mutual space and respect.

respect you say ... ?

Yep. Didn't say not calling out BS. Especially disrespectful is the snarky practice of isolating a small section of an paragraph out of context then using it to be righteous about!

That's twisting context to 'take control', then trying to passive it off as if innocently asking. BS. And I'm starting to see how often you use this tactic.

If you keep snarking like this I'm going to keep replying. Guess I have to repeat the reason I lost respect that you conveniently left out: "...you're the most Q-obsessed person at Avalon, you totally disrespectfully barged into this thread without understanding the OP content AT ALL and were the worst repeat offender quick because it's premise bigtime pushed your buttons you've shown your cards. You ignored all the positive of my effort and olive branch, my going away from the other thread when asked, my trying to lighten things up here with a chill-out bar....but you had to show up right away again to pick on something.". I'm an enemy to your ego that it can't resist the compulsion to try to bully into submission.

I'm aware I'm not the only one recognizing these snarkiness masking tactics, the game is that you can use 'nicey nice' words while manipulating context to play the wrongly accused victim later.

Like my plain english or not, I don't think anyone would say I don't make great effort to articulate exactly what I mean - no gaming, twisting, manipulating, tip toeing or insinuating.

[Jayke]

Kind of hard to be skeptical about Q after the FISA declass though; isn't it?

Not to say it's NOT something other than what it seems... but certainly the... collusion (?) between Q and the POTUS is very clear at this point.

I'd rather see this debate aimed a different way.... Is Q a "steam release valve"? Like (IMO) Ron Paul was/is?.... is Q Ron Paul v2?

so far we aren't hearing anything mentioned about the "families" that are plaguing the world... no rothchilds, no rockefeller's; just the "front women/men" that are public and placed in front of us (for a reason I'm sure).

I do not think this (politics, world turmoil, shadow control structures etc..) is a game of checkers... it's 500 games of chess that all inter depend on each other; where any game win or loss effects the move of the games next to it.... Q makes it too simple IMO.


If I understand what you are saying I think we have heard, and Q interpreters have taken it deeper. (Well Q has not spelled out Payseur by name, only [P] )

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/08/16/p-the-unseen-masters-of-all-qanon-greatawakening-whoisp-illuminati-13bloodlines-payseur-springmeier/

Wow, now that’s an excellent article. It took a long time to read but it certainly fills in some of the hidden blanks in world history. The 30 minute video on the history of the Merovingians was very illuminating; it helped connect a lot of dots.

Thanks for the share Mountain_Jim :star:

[Matthew]

Hey everyone,
waves and I have been hard at work, we have created a skeleton glossary based off of UNIRocks video in the OP

We've also created an annotated time index of the OP video (below the skeleton glossary). We hope this will help towards solving the problem of Q information overload

If anyone would like to help fill this glossary in, that would be super awesome: please do post and play a part :heart:

** UPDATE **
This glossary is a work in progress intended to be updated as necessary. Improved definitions are very welcome. Please post or PM any to myself or waves, thank you

Glossary:

Bakers
-- What the group who moved Q from 4chan to 8chan call themselves
Baruch the Scribe (real name Paul Furber)
-- One of the original Bakers who got kicked out by early January
Board Operator or Board Owner (BO)
-- Someone who has control over the chan site (e.g. 8chan) and has all the power on the board*1
cbts_stream
-- The original 24/hr live talk show launched in January by the Bakers
CBTS (Calm Before The Storm)
Christian Q Anon movement
codemonkey
-- One of the Bakers and main CBTS tech guy
Chan boards
-- In the early years of the internet as we know it, anime (Japanese cartoons) fans could indulge their love of anime by posting pictures on these ‘chan’ or image boards. They mostly got bored of this, and these chan/image boards get used for anything but. Their main attraction is the default of anonymous posting
4chan (half chan)
-- A popular chan board
8chan (infinity chan)
-- Another popular chan board
discord (discord servers, discord invite)
Farmerfunk
-- One of the main Bakers
Gab
-- Thing on which SerialBrain2 is a paid creator
High Impact Flix
-- Another independant internet presenter that UNIRock takes inspiration from
Isaac Green
-- Independent YouTuber, one of the first to be invited to promote Q, then one of the first to stand up to the deceptions about the Baker group and Q
InfoWars (Alex Jones)
Jerome Corsi
Jordan Sather
-- YouTuber ‘Destroying The Illusion’, one of the first contacted by the Bakers to promote Q and who agreed to join
Patriot Soapbox
-- The new name of Pamphlet’s 24/7 live broadcast dedicated to talking about Q
Pamphlet Anon (Pamphlet, real name Coleman Rogers)
-- Main hacker who first stole Q from 4 chan and is now successfully monetizing the movement
Q movement (the growing number of people trusting Q as a Trump insider speaking for Trump and believing all Q posts to be benevolent and truthful)
Q drop (Q post)
Q Anon (Q)
Radix (real name Christine Urso)
-- Pamphlet’s wife
SerialBrain2 (serialbrain)
Tripcode (the hashed result of a password that allows one’s identity to be recognized with storing any data about users)
The Great Awakening
-- Name of 1st Reddit Board dedicated to Q discussion and data reddit board
Thumper
-- A Baker affiliated with Pamphlet
UNIRock
-- Podcaster in the conspiracy world
YouTubers (Q-Tubers as coined by UNIRock)




Annotated time index

* YouTube title: #QANON IDENTITY REVEALED - 100% SOLVED - WHO IS QANON ILL SHOW YOU by UNIRock

cKSUlfT_MnM

________________


0m0s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=0m
* High Impact Flix tribute


1m36s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=1m36s
* “UNIRock’s investigation into the Q Anon phonomonom”
* UNIRock’s investigation started December 2017
* UNIRock’s goal is an unbiased focus on the evidence


2m20s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=2m20s
* Back in December UNIRock was contacted by cbts_stream Bakers
* Q Anon moved to 8chan then InfoWars picked up on them
* The Bakers contacted YouTubers who quickly pushed the Q Anon phenomenon


2m50s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=2m50s
* YouTubers, without questioning, ‘all got Interviews’ with Pamphlet Anon and Baruch the Scribe


2m59s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=2m59s
* Isaac Green being contacted early on, by one of ‘the insiders’ (The Bakers) named Farmerfunk
* Isaac Green says: ‘[I’m calling them out by name, I’m sick of this ****]’
* Isaac Green says: ‘Pamphlet Anon, Radix, and plethora of 8chan scammers who have been in on this thing the entire time’


3m23s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=3m23s
* UNIRock encourages us to read the insider email from the board owners (8chan), which can be found on Baruch the Scribe or UNIRock’s twitter account
* UNIRock says: ‘8chan board owners have already exposed the whole thing as a LARP’
* Pausing UNIRocks video, at 3m31s, I can see “#QAnon Exposed - MUST SEE”, published by Isaac Green, May 22, 2018


3m52s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=3m52s
* Screenshot of message from Farmerfunk to Isaac Green
* Farmerfunk contacted Isaac Green December 2017 to say “My [Farmerfunk’s] channel is now the Bakers channel“
* Isaac Green claims he was manipulated into pushing ‘the Q narrative’, as a part of a scam to hook patriots.
________________


4m35s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=4m35s
* UNIRock suggests the behaviour between Q Anon and Isaac Green is a pattern Q Anon would use when contacting others too


4m46s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=4m46s
* UNIRock says he was contacted in a different way: ‘in discord’ see glossary: discord
* UNIRock says After InfoWars ‘we’ had questions: (paraphrased) ‘Why did [Q Anon] follow those alleged Bakers to 8chan?’


5m2s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=5m2s
* Definition of Board Operator (BO) or Board Owner: someone who has control of the board and has all the power on the board [*1].
* BO’s control who’s deleted, banned, which tripcodes to allow to post there, and which tripcodes can’t
* Suggestion of link between 8chan BO’s and Q Anon (and Bakers)


5m20s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=5m20s
* Implication of tripcode control by the BO’s being key to this suggestion


5m31s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=5m31s
* ‘Make a new trip code then they could tell the world it was verified as Q Anon, just like codemonkey did back then’
* There was no evidence of this happening, just people saying this happened
* YouTubers, 8chan users and ‘logical people’ tried to ask these questions but anyone who asked questions got trolled (by the Bakers troll army)


6m3s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=6m3s
* UNIRock was sent a ‘discord invite’ to another server (Date on screenshot, may not be related but I presume it is): ?May 20th 2018?)
* Couple of days later he takes up the discord invite to the discord server: there are several people talking in a room.


6m29s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=6m29s
* ‘It happened to be a few of the Bakers’, he introduced himself; UNIRock. They said hi and continued talking
* UNIRock was shocked to hear them talk about how to monetize brand; make money off the Q movement
* The Bakers wanted to ask UNIRock questions about his branding skills
* UNIRock was expecting to arrange an interview
________________
7m0s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=7m0s
* Bakers were the ‘least professional’, and the only group to mention branding and monetization
* At the time UNIRock did a live stream to express how shocked he was


7m20s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=7m20s
* UNIRock recounts: announcing the cancellation of his interview with the Bakers on his channel
* UNIRock recounts: ‘receiving contact through December and into January that the Bakers were Q Anon’, and repeating this on his channel. No screenshots or proof, so he brushed it off but did repeat what he heard on his live stream as it happened


7m47s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=7m47s
* UNIRock continued to post observations on his live stream when ‘certain things would come up’
* Voicing concerns once a week approx.


8m2s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=8m2s
* UNIRock started pushing harder for questions to be asked:
* Why did this ‘Q government leaker’ not make his own board?
* Why is he using the same group of Bakers between 4chan, 8chan, reddit and YouTube
* Why are there different groups of people popping up all over the web, branding Q Anon into T-shirts, Mugs, posters, stickers, sweaters, websites?


8m28s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=8m28s
* UNIRock’s observations including Q Anon against other government leakers, in light of the evidence so far


8m56s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=8m56s
* January hack [on 8chan?]: UNIRock says he covered this in his other videos


9m31s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=9m31s
* UNIRocks appeal for open discussion towards the truth:
* Hopes to support open conversation
* In the Q movement, UNIRock observes there are a large group of people who will ‘jump in’ and block open discussion
* But importantly!
* UNIRock sees the blockers are working from real evidence
________________
10m16s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=10m16s
* UNIRock states:
* We have all heard of the Q Anon ‘Profiteering post’ (April 29 2018 10:11:22 (EST) ) “Be careful who you are following. Some are profiting off this movement. …”
* This [profiteering post] started the push against Jerome Corsi from the ‘core Q Anon community’
* One side of the Q Anon community is solely supported and fostered by a YouTube channel: The Patriot Soapbox, and this is where the attack on Alex Jones (InfoWars) comes from


10m45s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=10m45s
* Admitted by themselves, this YouTube channel is the core group of Bakers [and their creative community]
* UNIRock thinks Isaac Green ‘said it best’


11m1s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=11m1s
* Intention of the group doing this: InfoWars made Q Anon big
* UNIRock shows his trend graph


11m50s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=11m50s
* Something about InfoWars accused of trying to steal the Q movement by YouTubers
* UNIRock refutes this accusation


12m18s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=12m18s
* Once again by SerialBrain2 (‘this serialbrain character’)
* SerialBrain2 is the reddit author behind the article responsible [for this accusation of InfoWars trying to steal the Q movement]
* SerialBrain2 is a paid creator on Gab
* UNIRock calls for people to look at serialbrain2’s posts before Q Anon
* “There’s a lot of really scary stuff; (not trying to pick on anyone)...”
* There’s a lot on satanism
* Directing people to read satanic books
* Strange for someone who’s head of the Christian Q Anon movement (at CBTS)
* Q Anon told its followers to read the anti-InfoWars reddit article by SerialBrain2 in Q drop dated: May 11 2018 13:42:46
* Screenshot of this Q drop at https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=13m37s (13m37s)


________________


13m43s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=13m43s
* Serialbrain2 offers paid content for [Q drop] analysis
* UNIRock notes that this is how it all links together, which he will come back to later


13m56s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=13m56s
* The Great Awakening board on reddit used to be the cbts_stream board on reddit
* Through The Great Awakening board board: they blame Jerome Corsi + Jordan Sather, and how Alex Jones wants to use [Jerome Corsi] to ‘steal the audience’
* UNIRock suggests if Alex Jones wanted this, all he had to do was not have them [Q Anon supporters] on his show (InfoWars). UNIRock shows a Google Trends graph to support this (see https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=14m23s (14m23s))


14m45s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=14m45s
* UNIRock notes “it’s pretty messed up to stab someone [Alex Jones] in the back, just because they’re critical of your movement [Q movement]; due to your own actions, and then sell them out like that”
* UNIRock implies: due to Q Anon going against Alex Jones (InfoWars), Q Anon has actually stolen Alex Jones’ viewers


15m0s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=15m
* The anonymous leaker told everybody [Alex Jones wanted to steal Q’s viewers]
* UNIRock notes:
* the writer of this article is SerialBrain2
* SerialBrain2 is Baker
* SerialBrain2 a member from the core [Q Anon] group


15m22s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=15m22s
* UNIRock directs us to his twitter page (unirocktv) where he has shared all his supporting evidence (Dates taken from the screenshot at 15s32s are May 10 2018 and May 1 2018


________________


15m38s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=15m38s
* Transcript:
“...YouTubers, anons and twitter tweeters have gone through exhaustive investigation, to show that this group of bakers is not only controlling every every major source of Q Anon information to show that this group of Bakers is not only controlling every major source of Q Anon information from the different websites that push Q Anon posts, like qanon.pub to the apps that display the Q Anon information to the subreddits also they sometimes also post as Q anon themselves.


This is not a rumour this is a fact, even admitted and recorded by them on their youtube channel Patriot Soapbox. That is why Q Anon has pointed the viewers to these different channels and outlets.


Basically a lot of other people have shown through data mining and tracking that all of this points back to one place: The Patriot Soapbox.”


16m41s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=16m41s
* Supporting evidence shown on the video
* On the Patriot Soapbox they admitted they have the power to renumber the Q posts; shown on UNIRocks video at https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=17m9s (17m9s)
* This means they must have the tripcode for the Q posts


17m35s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=17m35s
* UNIRock refers the listener to a video of clips on ‘UNIRock2’ (?)


17m59s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=17m59s
* May 19 2018 UPDATED was May 19 2019 Pamphlet is recorded on the Patriot Soapbox posting as Q Anon
* Pamphlet subsequently tries to cover his back
* (In the video UNIRock demonstrates with his own reconstruction)
* UNIRock talks about Pamphlet revealing the Q Anon tripcode


20m34s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=20m34s
* UNIRock wants you to know as a fact
* There is a Q Anon (if you like), however….
* Pamphlet and ‘five or six of his little friends at the top of the ladder over there’ are able to post as Q Anon, that has been proven. It’s why the tripcodes change
* Pamphlet and Thumper didn’t think the microphone was ‘hot’ (it’s ‘hot’ when it’s on and the audience can hear it)


21m57s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=21m57s
* The Baker reveal
* This Baker is the same person who was writing emails to several youtubers
* Who was trying to leak the info to UNIRock early January
* Who wanted a good Q Anon message
* Doesn’t like the new message


23m12s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=23m12s
* UNIRock addresses lies against himself
* CBTS: million dollar donation something accusation


25m45s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=25m45s
* UNIRocks announcement: more investigation involving Q Anon:
* 8chan and 4chan analysis there was a poster who was anonymous
* Probably one of the two from the beginning (??)
* Took the original Q Anons posts (?)
* The two from the beginning (??) posted these on 4chan, their posts went viral!
* The original Q Anon poster (?) got their anon gang to chase them off
* This was the reason for the 4chan 8chan shift ({?plz check, not sure I get it?})


28m36s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=28m36s
* The grand reveal:
Highlights include:
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=42m21s (42m21s)
* Trump twitter tweet delay details

[waves]

It's been so much fun working with YoYoYo across the world but really do give the credit for the bulk of content to him. He's been awesome.

I was asked by Bill to write a narrative on the evolution of the story implied in the Unirock video and to define all these names on the table, then I became aware of this NBC! article from Aug.14.2018 that's oddly pretty darn accurate and just a narrative with very little bias. Here's the link but I'm going to post the whole thing to be in conjunction with YoYoYo's post above and the content of the Unirock video.

TO BE CLEAR: I consider this the VISIBLE part of the early agenda and expect much, much more to be revealed as more of the players, money and agenda is identified.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531

HOW THREE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS TOOK Q AND SPARKED QANON
Pushing the theory on to bigger platforms proved to be the key to Qanon’s spread — and the originators’ financial gain.
by Brandy Zadrozny and Ben Collins / Aug.14.2018 / 9:25 AM PDT


In November 2017, a small-time YouTube video creator and two moderators of the 4chan website, one of the most extreme message boards on the internet, banded together and plucked out of obscurity an anonymous and cryptic post from the many conspiracy theories that populated the website's message board.

Over the next several months, they would create videos, a Reddit community, a business and an entire mythology based off the 4chan posts of “Q,” the pseudonym of a person claiming to be a high-ranking military officer. The theory they espoused would become Qanon, and it would eventually make its way from those message boards to national media stories and the rallies of President Donald Trump.

Now, the people behind that effort are at the center of a fractious debate among conspiracy enthusiasts, some of whom believe the three people who first popularized the Qanon theory are promoting it in order to make a living. Others suggest that these original followers actually wrote Q’s mysterious posts.

While the identity of the original author or authors behind “Q” is still unknown, the history of the conspiracy theory’s spread is well-documented — through YouTube videos, social media posts, Reddit archives, and public records reviewed by NBC News.

NBC News has found that the theory can be traced back to three people who sparked some of the first conversation about Qanon and, in doing so, attracted followers who they then asked to help fund Qanon “research.”

Qanon is a convoluted conspiracy theory with no apparent foundation in reality. The heart of it asserts that for the last year the anonymous “Q” has taken to the fringe internet message boards of 4chan and 8chan to leak intelligence about Trump’s top-secret war with a cabal of criminals run by politicians like Hillary Clinton and the Hollywood elite. There is no evidence for these claims.

In addition to peeking into the mainstream, the theory has been increasingly linked to real-world violence. In recent months, Qanon followers have allegedly been involved in a foiled presidential assassination plot, a devastating California wildfire, and an armed standoff with local law enforcement officers in Arizona.

Part of the Qanon appeal lies in its game-like quality. Followers wait for clues left by “Q” on the message board. When the clues appear, believers dissect the riddle-like posts alongside Trump’s speeches and tweets and news articles in an effort to validate the main narrative that Trump is winning a war against evil.

There are now dozens of commentators who dissect “Q” posts — on message boards, in YouTube videos and on their personal pages — but the theory was first championed by a handful of people who worked together to stir discussion of the “Q” posts, eventually pushing the theory on to bigger platforms and gaining followers — a strategy that proved to be the key to Qanon’s spread and the originators’ financial gain.

THE ANONS
Before Q, there was a wide variety of “anon” 4chan posters all claiming to have special government access.

In 2016, there was FBIAnon, a self-described “high-level analyst and strategist” offering intel about the 2016 investigation into the Clinton Foundation. Then came HLIAnon, an acronym for High Level Insider, who posted about various dubious conspiracies in riddles, including one that claimed Princess Diana had been killed because she found out about 9/11 “beforehand” and had “tried to stop it.” Then “CIAAnon” and “CIA Intern” took to the boards in early 2017, and last August one called WH Insider Anon offered a supposed preview that something that was “going to go down” regarding the DNC and leaks.

Qanon was just another unremarkable part of the “anon” genre until November 2017, when two moderators of the 4chan board where Q posted predictions, who went by the usernames Pamphlet Anon and BaruchtheScribe, reached out to Tracy Diaz, according to Diaz’s blogs and YouTube videos. BaruchtheScribe, in reality a self-identified web programmer from South Africa named Paul Furber, confirmed that account to NBC News.

“A bunch of us decided that the message needed to go wider so we contacted Youtubers who had been commenting on the Q drops,” Furber said in an email.

Diaz, a small-time YouTube star who once hosted a talk show on the fringe right-wing network Liberty Movement Radio, had found moderate popularity with a couple of thousand views for her YouTube videos analyzing WikiLeaks releases and discussing the "pizzagate" conspiracy, a baseless theory that alleged a child sex ring was being run out of a Washington pizza shop.

As Diaz tells it in a blog post detailing her role in the early days of Qanon, she banded together with the two moderators. Their goal, according to Diaz, was to build a following for Qanon — which would mean bigger followings for them as well.

On Nov. 3, 2017, just six days after the first 4chan post from “Q,” Diaz posted a video entitled “/POL/- Q Clearance Anon - Is it #happening???” in which she introduced the conspiracy theory to her audience.

“I do not typically do videos like this,” she said, but citing Q’s “very specific and kind of eerie” posts, Diaz explained that she would be covering the 4chan posts, “just in case this stuff turns out to be legit because honestly it kind of seems legit.”

That video, which has been viewed nearly 250,000 times, made Diaz one of the earliest people to seize on “Q” posts and decipher them for a conspiracy-hungry audience. Diaz followed with dozens more Q-themed videos, each containing a call for viewers to donate through links to her Patreon and PayPal accounts

Diaz’s YouTube channel now boasts more than 90,000 subscribers and her videos have been watched over 8 million times. More than 97,000 people follow her on Twitter. Diaz, who emerged from bankruptcy in 2009, says in her YouTube videos that she now relies on donations from patrons funding her YouTube “research” as her sole source of income.

Diaz declined to comment on this story.

“Because I cover Q, I got an audience,” Diaz acknowledged in a video that NBC News reviewed last week before she deleted it.

BUILDING A MOVEMENT
To reach a more mainstream audience (older people and “normies,” who on their own would have trouble navigating the fringe message boards), Diaz said in a blog post she recommended they move to the more user-friendly Reddit. Archives listing the three as the original posters and moderators show they created a new Reddit community called CBTS_Stream, short for Calm Before The Storm, where subscribers soon gathered to talk all things Q.

Their move to Reddit was key to Qanon’s eventual spread. There, they were able to tap into a larger audience of conspiracy theorists, and drive discussion with their analysis of each Q post. From there, Qanon crept to Facebook where it found a new, older audience via dozens of public and private groups.

That audience then started to head to 8chan to check out the original source and interact directly with the posts. (Q posts moved from 4chan to its more toxic offshoot 8chan in November after a post claiming the original board had been “infiltrated.” 8chan became notorious for having no rules, and even hosting child pornography.)

8chan’s owner’s official Twitter account marveled at the influx of older, less internet-savvy visitors to his site, drawn by Qanon. “We joked about it for years, but #Qanon is making it a reality: Boomers! On your imageboard.”

Meanwhile, Diaz kept making videos, racking up hundreds of thousands of views. Over the next several months, Diaz and the two moderators picked up tens of thousands of followers on Reddit and YouTube and added even more moderators to their 8chan and Reddit boards.

They also began to break into what might be considered the mainstream of the conspiracy world. Conspiracy theorist Dr. Jerome Corsi, an Infowars editor and a best-selling author of books about the “deep state,” had taken an interest in Q and was decoding the messages on the Reddit board. In December, Pamphlet Anon and BaruchtheScribe even made an appearance on InfoWars.

Corsi has since disavowed the Qanon conspiracy and called the current Q poster “a fraud,” citing a supposed takeover of the channel by someone posing as Q in April. But last week, facing backlash from his base, Corsi tweeted that he supports the Qanon movement and its supporters’ “excellent research.”

Soon, as Diaz explained on her blog, their expanding crew was spending all their waking hours in chat rooms on the gaming-focused forum Discord analyzing and decoding Q messages and planning for a larger dissemination of Q’s message.

In March, their Reddit board, which boasted some 20,000 subscribers, was shut down by Reddit for “encouraging or inciting violence and posting personal and confidential information,” and the moderators — Diaz and the rest — were banned from the site. Furber had already been booted from the site for allegedly threatening to reveal the personal details of another user, and was pushed out of the private Q discussion groups he had helped form.

“I was very definitely banished,” Furber said, noting that he believes Q’s board has been taken over by imposters.

By then, Pamphlet Anon, whose real name is Coleman Rogers, had developed grander plans. (NBC was able to determine Rogers’ identity through property records that link the address where his business is registered to his parent’s home and to photos from his personal social media account. Those photos show him to be the same person who appears on YouTube as Pamphlet Anon.)

Rogers did not respond to calls seeking comment, but acknowledged his receipt of messages from NBC News via his website’s Twitter, writing in part, “WE DO NOT TALK TO FAKE NEWS.”

NETWORK EFFECT
Kicked off Reddit, Rogers hatched a new plan. He would replace the mainstream media — often a target of Q’s posts — with a constantly streaming YouTube network made up of the self-described “researchers” who were putting together Q’s clues.

Within a month, Rogers, 31, and his wife, Christina Urso, 29, had launched the Patriots’ Soapbox, a round-the-clock livestreamed YouTube channel for Qanon study and discussion. The channel is, in effect, a broadcast of a Discord chatroom with constant audio commentary from a rotating cast of volunteers and moderators with sporadic appearances by Rogers and Urso. In April, Urso registered Patriots’ Soapbox LLC in Virginia.

Rogers and Urso use their channel to call for donations that are accepted through PayPal, cryptocurrencies or mail.

It was a natural progression for Rogers. A review of Rogers’ Facebook page shows he had been active in internet politics and a staunch supporter of Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign, self-identifying as part of the “meme war” — the creation and dissemination of images and internet-style commentary that internet agitators on the chans and Reddit credit with Trump’s win. Rogers often posted memes about “liberal tears” as well as the ludicrous claims that Democrats murdered children and worshipped Satan — details similar to those that would eventually form the Qanon theory.

Rogers’ Facebook updates waned after Trump took office but started up again in the fall, when he began posting “Q” messages to both confused and supportive family and friends.

Rogers has publicly denied that he is the author of the “Q” posts, though his last visible Facebook post, published on Aug. 2, hinted that he might someday be associated with the theory.

“Ten bucks says you see my face on national news within a few weeks, saying that I'm ‘the mysterious hacker known as #Qanon,’” Rogers wrote, a reference to a CNN segment that mistakenly referred to the website 4chan as a hacker.

Following a request for comment from NBC News, Rogers deleted every post on his Facebook profile after 2014. Following another message from a reporter informing him that NBC News had archived his page, he deleted his Facebook account entirely.

TABLES TURNED
As Qanon picked up steam, growing skepticism over the motives of Diaz, Rogers, and the other early Qanon supporters led some in the internet’s conspiracy circles to turn their paranoia on the group.

Recently, some Qanon followers have accused Diaz and Rogers of profiting from the movement by soliciting donations from their followers. Other pro-Trump online groups have questioned the roles that Diaz and Rogers have played in promoting Q, pointing to a series of slip-ups that they say show Rogers and Diaz may have been involved in the theory from the start.

Those accusations have led Diaz and Rogers to both deny that they are Q and say they don’t know who Q is. There is no direct proof that the group or any individual members are behind it.

Still, Qanon skeptics have pointed to two videos as evidence that Rogers had insider knowledge of Q’s account. Some YouTube channels, like one named Unirock, are mostly dedicated to poring over Patriots’ Soapbox livestreams and dissecting purported slip-ups.

One archived livestream appears to show Rogers logging into the 8chan account of “Q.”The Patriots’ Soapbox feed quickly cuts out after the login attempt. “Sorry, leg cramp,” Rogers says, before the feed reappears seconds later.

Users in the associated chatroom begin to wonder if Rogers had accidentally revealed his identity as Q. “How did you post as Q?” one user wrote.

In another livestreamed video, Rogers begins to analyze a supposed “Q” post on his livestream program when his co-host points out that the post in question doesn’t actually appear on Q’s feed and was authored anonymously. Rogers’ explanation — that Q must have forgotten to sign in before posting — was criticized as extremely unlikely by people familiar with the message boards, as it would require knowledge of the posting to pick it out among hundreds of other anonymous ones.

In part because of the mounting claims against Patriots’ Soapbox, the web’s largest pro-Trump community has banned all mentions of Qanon. Reddit’s 640,000-member community r/The_Donald set up an autodelete function for mentions of Qanon’s claims, two moderators confirmed to NBC News, believing the group of YouTubers is making posts as Q.

Still, Patriots’ Soapbox 24-hour livestream remains live on YouTube, broadcasting to its 46,000 subscribers. And despite the growing skepticism of the group, they still have their supporters who ardently believe in the Qanon theory.

“The funniest thing about those who try to discredit Q. They focus on whether Q is real or not, instead of the information being provided,” tweeted one follower. “NO ONE cares who Q is. WE care about the TRUTH.”

[Ratszinger]

When I did a Rune cast on Qanon and drew the pictures I did I also wrote down the brief statement about each symbol or rune that came up in the various readings I did. Not wanting to believe it I later did more and was still seeing the same stuff coming up repeatedly. That stuff?

The three that kept coming up in relevant places all the time were Peorth or Pertho the dice cup. Ansur, and Tir. In that order. First two reversed, and Tir upright. Peorth shows me that when a group dealing in the occult or hidden aspects of the campaign saw that things had not turned out as hoped because Trump winning was a horrible surprise and disappointment they set about a new campaign based on trickery and lies using misinformation. Ansur is the misinfo. lies, tricks, deception and the selfish misuse of knowledge and info. Tir is the militant campaigner (there is that word again) and this shows a group taking up a cause, a 'holy war' gaining wealth and power through the means of the first two mentioned.

Q doesn't come out with the best readings no matter how much I want it to do so. When I interpret these casts as I've done for years I let the runes tell me where they go and read what they say only. When I look up the terms and meanings based on position and whether they are upright or reversed the words are there as the author of the course I took laid out. I simply pass on what they said and this is over several different casts using 3, 5, 7, or 11 runes depending on which type cast and how deep I wanted to go. I could go on but the reading didn't get any better. I was almost over the edge about to call myself a believer before I did the rune casts. Glad I did now because it's changed the way I feel about this Q thing.

[Bubu]

By the way, experts do not have to give reference, because THEY ARE the reference.
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Flash. This thinking makes slaves of people. I hope you are not telling people to blindly obey authorities, its not different to what religion preaches. This is off topic and your post may seem harmless. But if you consider the subliminal effect you'll see the extent of damage. So I oblige to point it out. Please be more careful in posting,

[Flash]

By the way, experts do not have to give reference, because THEY ARE the reference.
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Flash. This thinking makes slaves of people. I hope you are not telling people to blindly obey authorities, its not different to what religion preaches. This is off topic and your post may seem harmless. But if you consider the subliminal effect you'll see the extent of damage. So I oblige to point it out. Please be more careful in posting,

I am not going to argue on that.

Two of our long term members who are computer specialists and also know quite a lot on the programation of social networkw tell us "X thing does not work, and the guys who says that is wrong, it is impossible". And those members are blasted and asked to show proofs - for god sake, it takes years to understands how it truly works - that member has to take years to teach us???

At the same time the one asking for proofs tells us that what is seen on youtube is the truth, we have to believe it.

I definitely have a real problem with this. To me, this is stupidity.

Then I read that the same member asking for proof teaches in corporations.

Well, I am a corporate trainer myself.

And believe me, everything i say to management teams and executives is backed by experience and research, meaning from specialists trained in their fields of expertise who made the research and had conclusions.

I never asked those specialists to train me for years in their fields of expertise so that I would somewhat believe them. I just look at the research, does it make sense, and is the conclusion congruent, is there cross research showing the same, does the researcher has credentials.

I have my own field of expertise and I could not give satisfying proofs of anything to someone not somewhat trained in the field, or at the minimum in research. This is why we go to school and have years of practice afterwards.

To me, someone who ask what this member asked of others is showing his lack of education and understanding.

I have seen thousands of them, in alt fields as well as sometimes medicinal fields. In the latter, they kill people, more than the educated and trained ones. This is why I follow Dr Mercola, he is trained, yet he is in the alt media, and I do not follow untrained ones.

Gosh easy no?

Yes, in professional fields, give me your credentials, give me your background work, so that I believe you. Knowing very well that the knowledge you impart to me is not and cannot be full, unless i go the same professional route.

Then you can be thinking with an alternative mind, it is fine, it is base on education, training and experience. I may want to listen to you.

Both our computer specialists members being challenged in this thread have the credentials, the background work, the education and a huge plus, a history with us where they have shown themselves to be trustworthy (we rarely have this in the alt media). So yes, I will listen to them and take their professional opinion into account, much more than youtube videos.

My thinking does not make slaves, my thinking is about logic and non emotionally based understanding. My thinking avoid us getting into a sea of false claims and muddy thinking.

Doing otherwise is becoming a slave for lack of understanding and lack of trusting those who do understand their own field of expertise, those I know and who do.

That is my last reply in this thread.

It has been killed by stupidity as far as I am concerned.

You be more careful in thinking Bubu.

- by the way, I will not argue either with Ratszinger on the Rune,

I know nothing of the Rune. I will read, get in the knowledge he imparts, consider it, learn, and trust he knows more than I do.

So yes, for Rune, I will consider his opinion without asking for proofs, for me and my wimp, for which I would probably need quite a lot of training to understand his proofs anyhow.

Same with IT specialists - gosh this easy to understand no?

[Daozen]

I am a cancer specialist with 7 years of medical school, and Essiac tea/Iodine/CBD is snake oil!

Case closed.

Sincerely,
[I]
"An expert"[/I

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NOTE: I have been PMed by the mods. I was asked to clarify in this post that I am not a cancer specialist. I'm not. The post was a parody meant to show how dangerous claiming to be an "expert" is. I thought that was obvious and no one would take it literally... but just in case...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

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I thought this thread was supposed to be a haven for Q non-believers. Instead, it has been overrun with "believers", who block with shaming
+ sophistry... I see no substance to their posts, apart from heavy emotional manipulation.

Anyway, all part of the fun.

[ThePythonicCow]

I thought this thread was supposed to be a haven for Q non-believers.
I ceased discussing the topic in question on this thread some time ago, and I see that Flash has now chosen to do so as well.

Carry on.

[Pam]

@Bill
I can see what you're saying here - "...I have a strong personal suspicion, which I can make the case for and defend, that the Q phenomenon disempowers people rather than the opposite, has all the check-box attributes of an addictive soap opera before a captive audience, meets the criteria of a one-way-mirror belief system offering promises and hope, and is maybe intended to be all those things...."

What I can't get at is Why? I made it through almost half the vid but I'm not tech savvy enough to enjoy the behind the scenes message board and youtube channel folks lingo. I need the Cliff notes.



If as the subject says this person or group has 'confessed and apologized' then why is there another drop today that Paul posted on the Q thread? If it's a hoax, why? It's that funny? Almost an entire year of a hoax? That isn't a lot of work? And if it's for the money of making tee shirts, etc, I don't see all that many tee shirts only at the rallies and not that many. I can't imagine it's that big of a money maker.
All this writing, reading and listening and I'm still on a fence.

I agree with you, Helene. This is a diversion and an on going soap opera. Any well informed conspiracy theorist could have created the alleged 'information" that Qanon has provided.

Perhaps, money is not the only angle, or if they haven't capitalized off of it as well as they could, it is not for lack of trying. I used to get so agitated at this kind of stuff, like the Corey Goodes of the world. I believed that when truth and inconsistencies were provided people would turn away because they wanted the truth didn't they? I have discovered that is not really true in many cases. Most people want truth conditionally, when it suits their wants and needs.

On and on with these insiders and whistle blowers and what does it really do? It provides entertainment, diversion and creates a sort of club of those that feel they have insight into reality. I have the truth and you don't, so to speak. Has it helped change anything? Can I take this information and apply it to my life or community to better things? Has anything been rectified by it?

Would someone that really wants to expose the truth approach things in this way? Would they play the silly games and get involved in the mystery and melodrama as they spoon feed information and sell t shirts? Somehow, I don't think so. The thing that does tick me off is that they have really degraded the concept of a whistle blower, they have muddied the waters. I am not saying there is no truth there. I have deduced some of the things Q has stated on my own.

All we really have is this life, ask yourself if spending your time reviewing this information is doing you any good. On another note, if you are entertaining yourself with it, that is another story.

I really enjoyed this Dolan interview and his description of how he assesses validity of whistle blowers (thanks Bill) At 45:23 he tells us what he looks for:

gU_aOUPKkrg

[Hervé]

I deleted two posts from this thread, one by TargeT and a reply to it by Praxis in an attempt at keeping this thread civilized... you know... a cut above a bar brawl.

Mod update. Daozen's post has also been deleted for causing conflict. Also a reminder that no one owns a thread.
Billy

[waves]

Defango's commenting on the OAN report exposing Q players including the alleged actual voice of the person claiming to be the author of the confession named Microchip that Unirock read in the OP. There are lots of report segments spread out in between comments.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGpdRwPvcac&ab_channel=Defango

Adding this 'shill' list Sather very recently provided:
https://i.postimg.cc/05tmny0w/sathershilllist.jpg

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Defango's commenting on the OAN report exposing Q players including the alleged actual voice of the person claiming to be the author of the confession Unirock read in the OP named Microchip. There are lots of report segments spread out in between comments.

Adding this 'shill' list Sather very recently provided:
https://i.postimg.cc/05tmny0w/sathershilllist.jpg

In this video I respond to Sather putting me on the shill list. I use Milgram's (1963) study on Obedience as as metaphor for the use of a white board posing as an authority indicator.

usfXNKGqt24

[RunningDeer]

In this video I respond to Sather putting me on the shill list. I use Milgram's (1963) study on Obedience as as metaphor for the use of a white board posing as an authority indicator.

Joe, one of the many points I liked in the vid is “The White Board”.http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-from-behind.gif




Joe from the Carolinas: What I mean is that when somebody has a lot of things to say it doesn't exactly make them right. They could be saying a lot of things that are actually incorrect but because they're saying so many things and connecting the dots, people get confused by the amount of information and so if they're perceived as an authority…



https://i.imgur.com/mnG2cjV.jpg




Joe from the Carolinas: I was reflecting on this and a white board in the YouTube video or a screen grab or whatever could be perceived as giving someone or possessing some authority putting oneself in the role of a teacher. So on my whiteboard in today's video, I'd like to make some very clear statements.

Let’s see would have written on there:

This is a white board.
It has no authority.
I have no authority.
Only you can discern your own truth.
SUBSTANCE does not equal TRUTH



https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif


Milgram Experiment (2:17 minutes)
yr5cjyokVUs


video from article: Obedience to Authority - Milgram (1963) (https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html)

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Many thanks RunningDeer, I really appreciate you tracking down that Milgram clip too :) It was a frightening experiment that really gives me a moment of pause when looking at how far people can go when they hear the 2 magic words, "Trust Me".

[Praxis]

I agree with you, Helene. This is a diversion and an on going soap opera. Any well informed conspiracy theorist could have created the alleged 'information" that Qanon has provided.



I really enjoyed this Dolan interview and his description of how he assesses validity of whistle blowers (thanks Bill) At 45:23 he tells us what he looks for:

gU_aOUPKkrg


I can not stress this enough. Any well informed person could have created the Q information.

Really stop and think about this. I also think this is why it landed so well on the people who are so fervently for it, it creates an IN crowd of IT GETTERs and there is nothing better than getting IT and nothing worse that not getting IT.

This builds the Q tribe of IT getters.

Can you hear the words? No? Then you have not had the divine revelations of Q and need to, and say it all with me here, "Do the Research!"


And yes yes the believers will say, "The world is still the same and all the things that Dennis has mentioned are true BUT . . . . those sealed indictments" Then they walk away like it was a mic drop.

Literally, they are creating a new branch of the military to DOMINATE space and the IN-Q-Tel, i Mean Q people are talking about sealed indictment to catch those dastardly pedos.

Wont someone please think of the children, and only the children, turn off your brain after you thought of the children. We are taking care of it: sealed indictments.


In fact, that is my new goto response to people.

Why was I speeding? Sealed Indictments.

Why did I not pay my taxes? Sealed Indictments

Why do I support the perpetual war on terror and the crushing of Yemen? Sealed Indictments?

Why do I want to have Guantanamo Bay remain open and more people be sent there to be UNLAWFULLY detained as enemy combatants? Sealed Indictments.


Why do I think that a member of the patricians has suddenly had a come to jesus moment about the plebians and is now working on behalf of the good people of this country? Sealed Indictments.


As always, remember: FuTUrE PrOVeS PAsT

[Matthew]

On the subject of the sealed indictments, I found this journalist had done some spot checks against the Q Anon figures sited:

This is from The Daily Dot, and I'm not very reassured by what little I know about the author so far:
Source: https://www.dailydot.com/author/mike-rothschild/

Mike Rothschild
Mike Rothschild is a writer who specializes in researching and debunking conspiracy theories and fringe beliefs. He also writes about politics, history, and breaking news.

But Mike Rothschild did claim the numbers sited were accurate in his spot checks. The jury is still out for me. Thought I would share so you can make your own minds up

The tone of the article is debunkerish, but it left me some hope with the mention of tracking devices. But who knows?

Inside the 25,000 sealed indictments fueling the QAnon conspiracy
Mike Rothschild— Aug 2 at 07:30:56 | Last updated Aug 2 at 09:09:28

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/sealed-indictments-qanon-conspiracy/



...
So then what about the massive number of sealed case found files in PACER? The #QAnon researchers aren’t making them up – a random sampling of PACER records from the district courts of Washington, D.C. and the Eastern District of Virginia shows the number to be more or less accurate.

Even if not all sealed criminal cases are indictments, doesn’t a massive uptick in sealed cases mean a massive uptick in sealed indictments?

It doesn’t, because routine court matters in district courts are usually handled by lower-level magistrate judges. And the FLC report found over 15,000 sealed magistrate judge cases, with many others not in the Electronic Court Filing system that feeds into PACER.

A random sampling of these files showed 83 percent of sealed magistrate cases to be warrant applications or tracking devices. They are NOT indictments, but #QAnon’s number includes them anyway. We know this from their own methodology.
...

[ichingcarpenter]

At Florida Technological University now called the University of Central Florida in the early 70s I was involved with the MIlgram study as a subject. We got paid to volunteer. I caught on to it quickly and called them out on it. They said was was the first who did. My psychology teacher told me this who thought I was an astute observer and wanted me to major in this 'science'. I changed my major to Political Science and then Nixon spoke to the graduation class because he couldn't go anywhere else. The students had a 40 ft banner on an wall he couldn't ignore that said 'we don't believe you'........ Of course the media didn't show it ... but what else is new?

Joe..... this list by Jordan Slither is fascist........

[AutumnW]

I agree with you, Helene. This is a diversion and an on going soap opera. Any well informed conspiracy theorist could have created the alleged 'information" that Qanon has provided.



I really enjoyed this Dolan interview and his description of how he assesses validity of whistle blowers (thanks Bill) At 45:23 he tells us what he looks for:

gU_aOUPKkrg


I can not stress this enough. Any well informed person could have created the Q information.

Really stop and think about this. I also think this is why it landed so well on the people who are so fervently for it, it creates an IN crowd of IT GETTERs and there is nothing better than getting IT and nothing worse that not getting IT.

This builds the Q tribe of IT getters.

Can you hear the words? No? Then you have not had the divine revelations of Q and need to, and say it all with me here, "Do the Research!"


And yes yes the believers will say, "The world is still the same and all the things that Dennis has mentioned are true BUT . . . . those sealed indictments" Then they walk away like it was a mic drop.

Literally, they are creating a new branch of the military to DOMINATE space and the IN-Q-Tel, i Mean Q people are talking about sealed indictment to catch those dastardly pedos.

Wont someone please think of the children, and only the children, turn off your brain after you thought of the children. We are taking care of it: sealed indictments.


In fact, that is my new goto response to people.

Why was I speeding? Sealed Indictments.

Why did I not pay my taxes? Sealed Indictments

Why do I support the perpetual war on terror and the crushing of Yemen? Sealed Indictments?

Why do I want to have Guantanamo Bay remain open and more people be sent there to be UNLAWFULLY detained as enemy combatants? Sealed Indictments.


Why do I think that a member of the patricians has suddenly had a come to jesus moment about the plebians and is now working on behalf of the good people of this country? Sealed Indictments.


As always, remember: FuTUrE PrOVeS PAsT

Why did I laugh so hard at your post? Sealed indictment! Thanks for lightening things up!:bigsmile: totally agree with your sentiments.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

At Florida Technological University now called the University of Central Florida in the early 70s I was involved with the MIlgram study as a subject. We got paid to volunteer. I caught on to it quickly and called them out on it. They said was was the first who did. My psychology teacher told me this who thought I was an astute observer and wanted me to major in this 'science'. I changed my major to Political Science and then Nixon spoke to the graduation class because he couldn't go anywhere else. The students had a 40 ft banner on an wall he couldn't ignore that said 'we don't believe you'........ Of course the media didn't show it ... but what else is new?

Joe..... this list by Jordan Slither is fascist........

Wow, that’s quite an experience- you were part of history! I’m glad to know at least 1 person caught on (none of that gets reported in the white paper :) and on the list issue- funny how that works, right?

[Pam]

In this video I respond to Sather putting me on the shill list. I use Milgram's (1963) study on Obedience as as metaphor for the use of a white board posing as an authority indicator.

Joe, one of the many points I liked in the vid is “The White Board”.http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-from-behind.gif




Joe from the Carolinas: What I mean is that when somebody has a lot of things to say it doesn't exactly make them right. They could be saying a lot of things that are actually incorrect but because they're saying so many things and connecting the dots, people get confused by the amount of information and so if they're perceived as an authority…



https://i.imgur.com/mnG2cjV.jpg




Joe from the Carolinas: I was reflecting on this and a white board in the YouTube video or a screen grab or whatever could be perceived as giving someone or possessing some authority putting oneself in the role of a teacher. So on my whiteboard in today's video, I'd like to make some very clear statements.

Let’s see would have written on there:

This is a white board.
It has no authority.
I have no authority.
Only you can discern your own truth.
SUBSTANCE does not equal TRUTH



https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif


Milgram Experiment (2:17 minutes)
yr5cjyokVUs


video from article: Obedience to Authority - Milgram (1963) (https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html)


It really is so interesting that little things like using a white board, wearing certain clothes (think white lab coat in the right situations or appropriate uniform for whatever is being promoted.), speaking in certain ways, letters and credentials after the name, can trigger our programming to subconsciously give the people using these things authority and a form of respect. The respect can lead us to suspend judgement and accept the authority as valid thereby making the information valid. It can all happen without even being aware of it. How easy it would be for someone motivated to want to appear as an authority to make use of these simple things.

Joe, you made some really good points in your video, thank you...

[RunningDeer]

In this video I respond to Sather putting me on the shill list.
“Disclosing the Secret Space Program” with Jordan Sather (https://www.secretspaceprogram.com)

FFT: the Jordan shill rant is part of his marketing strategy:

cash in on the movie and episodes that have been promoted ad nauseam
stoke public curiosity to sell more episodes (link above)
discredit folks like Joe and Dark Journalist to create controversy
get ahead of nay-sayers before the movie release
pull in more views/subscribers

Ka-Ching! Ka-Ching!

From Jordan’s Sep 25, 2018 video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpmtRc18WQ&t=14s) (one of many):




…first order of business “Above Majestic: the Implications of a Secret Space Program” upcoming documentary. I release the teaser for it on this channel earlier today.

…you can go watch that teaser. Super stoked for this documentary to come out. It's coming out on Halloween, October 31st in just about 5 weeks here. And I have a co-production credit on this. I am in this documentary and it's gonna be a fantastic one. Lots of great testimony in this. Lots of great information. Go watch it when it drops.

[waves]

I think Max Igan has had the most comprehensive and wise perspective of the big picture and historical players of anyone for a long, long time.

His observations about the real objectives of the Q agenda early in this latest video ring so true to me.

-He points out that Q followers are repeatedly being told to 'trust the plan' which is to essentially do nothing in complete denial that this means to trust the 'state' to fix the problems created by the 'state'. Yes Trump is the state - especially revealing and damning is his complete subservience to and massive continued monetization of Israel.

-Most significantly, Trump trusters/Q followers are ignoring the fact that Trump is not addressing the most dangerous issues - the smart grid, chemtrails, 5G, vaccines, social crediting gearing up, etc.

-Trump trusters/Q followers while thrilled to have a vast array of their dark topics of how things have gone wrong spotlighted and acknowledged are being mesmerized at the carrot being dangled in front of them that 'getting rid of all these terrible people that have been put out there for them to hate will put a new face on the coin will lead them into a new reality'... remain in total cognitive dissonance of the real perps behind the smart grid/control grid/technocracy building that's getting more entrenched every day, the decades long objective all along.

And I think the future will reveal that one of their projects included the AI experiment they called Q.

Max does a good job explaining the facets of this ongoing 'theater for masses' and what the only real action to create a workable solution will ever be - mass non-compliance. Awesome graphics too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZGIq4ohwLE&ab_channel=thecrowhouse

[Franny]

Many thank yous to Waves and Max Igan for this video, much better than I could ever say.

[Hervé]

Cross-posting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1257230#post1257230) the following since it's also partly a confession:

From Trolling To Fleecing: Co-Creator Of ‘Q’ Hoax Explains Its Scary Evolution (http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/29/trolling-fleecing-co-creator-q-hoax-explains-dangerous-evolution/)


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1056864119025029120/VZ3BRubw?format=jpg&name=600x314

How the QAnon internet hoax sowed lies, spread chaos and conspiracy theories, and profited off its surprisingly large following.

By Georgi Boorman (http://thefederalist.com/author/georgi-boorman/) thefederalist.com

October 29, 2018

A little less than a year after the first QAnon post, which has since led hundreds of thousands of news junkies down a conspiracy rabbit hole, news correspondent Jack Posobiec from One America News Network spoke with one of the co-originators of the “Q” persona who runs a group of individuals posing as a high-level government intelligence officer. On an anonymous “free speech” platform called 8Chan, they leave thousands of riddles, “clues,” odd questions, and cryptic lines as bread crumbs for their followers to help them in their search for truth.

Many major media outlets have overviewed the nest of conspiracy theories (http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/21/thousands-obsessed-nest-conspiracy-theories-called-qanon/) nurtured within Q followers. While many have speculated about who is behind Q and how it came to exist, thanks to Posobiec’s extensive research and the confession of a co-creator who goes by the pseudonym “Microchip,” we now know, with a high degree of certainty, the real origin story of QAnon.

Microchip’s story is believable, and he doesn’t appear to have a good motivation for taking credit for QAnon if he didn’t actually help create it. Additionally, Posobiec indicated he had long suspected it was him before Microchip confessed, after following the suspected Q creators closely for many months.

Although the OANN report (https://www.oann.com/exposed-creator-of-qanon-speaks-for-the-first-time/)was published in early September, it’s hard to take down Q enthusiasts. On the internet, lies don’t die, but continue on in half-life until, like ancient cockroaches, they silently crawl off into the far dark corners of the web. QAnon, while fully discredited for numerous failed predictions (https://old.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/93v1ui/a_noncomprehensive_timeline_of_qs_failed/) and false information (https://twitter.com/georgi_boorman/status/1033379023441653760)in its posts alone, is a full-blown enigmatic cult.


Was QAnon A Mistake?
Like many cults, QAnon encourages its most dedicated followers to give money to the further the “great awakening” (of which Q is supposedly a leader). There is ample evidence outside of Posobiec’s report that the individuals currently running Q are financially motivated and have been for some time.

Several threads of evidence, including Microchip’s confession and Discord logs (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3685630/posts)of his conversation with a co-conspirator, reveal how what was originally intended as a harmless troll to “get people thinking” quickly spun into a mythical persona whose cryptic words developed into a full-fledged conspiratorial worldview for a growing audience, now eager for more riddles (and ripe for financial exploitation).

Microchip (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/from-utah-with-love), who is a master at creating trending topics on Twitter, and another successful pro-Trump meme-creator named Dreamcatcher, were inspired to do their own trolling by another false identity on 4Chan called FBIAnon, who also claimed to have had insider information as a high-level intelligence officer. Microchip wrote on Discord on August 18, 2017:
that signing FBIAnon is good too. Looks spooky, but we should do our own thing, like change the name to something else and use the Socratic method to question stuff out of ppl. This is what I do while trolling, gets people excited and flip sh** on suggestions alone. You know we’ve I’ve [sic] been doing this forever, we should think of something.
He said Q was more of a “mistake” than a planned, purposeful operation to “take down something.”

In his interview with Posobiec and in the chat logs with Dreamcatcher, Microchip referred to the book “Q” by the Italian prankster/writer collective Luther Blissett (https://news.artnet.com/opinion/q-anon-hoax-1329983), whom he referred to as “the Italian author guy.” As a representative of the Wu Ming (Mandarin for “anonymous”) Foundation, an offshoot of the Luther Blissett collective, told (https://www.wumingfoundation.com/giap/2018/08/qanon/#comment-31941) BuzzFeed,
“’Q’ is a disguised, oblique autobiography of the LBP. It is often described as Blissett’s ‘playbook,’ an ‘operations manual’ for cultural disruption.”
Finding Content For Conspiracies
Microchip and Dreamcatcher liked the idea from the book of signing “ominous messages” as “Q,” but before they launched the project, they needed to determine what their content would be. They developed a list of Trump supporters’ interests, including George Soros, and the idea that “Obama [was] working with CIA and FBI to steer the Russia investigation,” “Trump surrounding himself with generals,” and “all kinds of crazy theories” from Alex Jones.
“This is what was getting Trump supporters excited,” Microchip explained.

“We put together a list of questions that would spark people’s attention” saying they then “filtered it out” on 4Chan.

http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Georgi1.png


Q “researchers” work these suggestive questions and fringe ideas into more complete ideas, filling in the gaps with their imaginations and thoughts from other conspiracy theorists.

Dreamcatcher saw an opportunity to go beyond just questions and suggestions. According to Microchip, “There was a [anonymous] post (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/146981635/#147005381)where somebody said ‘Hillary Clinton will be arrested,’” shortly, he said, saying it looked like a “gaslight campaign.” Then, according to Microchip, “Randomly one day Dreamcatcher on a post on 4Chan…took the snippet and added details (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/146981635/#147012719).” The post said Clinton’s “extradition” was “already in motion.”

Although no post mentioned “Q” until November 2 (where the first reference was “Q Clearance Patriot”), this is listed as his first post in the archive. Of course, Clinton was never arrested.

Ironically, Q is also a top intelligence clearance level for the Department of Energy. That might have cemented the name for Microchip and Dreamcatcher, or for whomever they passed the account off to.

Whatever the specific origins of these themes, Microchip and others knew those ideas appealed to many on the fringe right. The debunked “Pizzagate” theory that a pedophilia ring was being run out of a pizza shop was in the original list of themes for Q content, serving as a critical seed for the intricate thought cloud surrounding Q posts and generating hype among followers.


Is QAnon Exploiting Its Followers?
“We were never a part of the full QAnon,” Microchip said,

“but it’s turned dangerous…these people are being gaslit by whoever is doing it now. I didn’t want it to go that far. It was meant to be like a small unifying factor, just like the ‘petition right.’”
Microchip explained:
It’s meant to be funny, meant to get people’s imaginations going. Point is that people are being exploited by other people who are cognizant of the whole process within Trump supporters’ minds and they’re being used and I feel terrible about that. Part of the reason I even decided to speak about the story is because QAnon is dangerous. Since early 2017 [sic] I’ve told people, you’ve gotta stop doing it and I never wanted to be attached to it.

http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Georgi2.png


Where there is an audience for conspiracy theories, there’s money to be made. As one Q-skeptic, a YouTuber who goes by the name Unirock, recounted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKSUlfT_MnM), he was once invited to a Discord server with some of the core “bakers,” or leading Q researchers.
“I was shocked to hear them talking about the best ways to monetize, brand, and make money off the Q movement. I sat and listened for a minute. They told me they liked the way I branded my art into my channel, asked me some questions. I left. I clicked out.”
Another YouTuber named Isaac Green (known online as AntiSchool) also opened up about being contacted by a leading baker named “FarmerFunk,” who tried to entice him to turn his channel into a “baker’s corner,” saying, “I told you that this would be a brand that would last long after Q drifts away. Build your brand wisely, sir.”

This post and other Q-critical videos and posts have since been deleted. Green told The Federalist that he “didn’t want to be associated” with QAnon, while emphasizing that QAnon is not legitimate in any way. He added that he’s experienced “cyberstalking and harassment” from Q followers.

Tracy Diaz was a small-time YouTuber at QAnon’s inception, but took interest in the posts very early on, according to NBC News’ report (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531). Diaz admits Q gave her following a significant boost, but she has maintained (https://steemit.com/drama/@tracybeanz/she-stood-in-the-storm)that she didn’t make much money off YouTube monetization of Q posts. However, she was accepting donations for “investigative journalism” via Patreon while Q was a significant part of the content she produced. She currently has more than 96,000 YouTube subscribers and 784 patrons.

Like other content creators who had previously spoken favorably of Q posts, she realized the people behind Q aren’t doing what’s in the country’s best interest. Q “has amassed a HUGE cult-like worship in many cases,” she wrote (https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/990651099806945280) on Twitter, and send an “army of people hanging on their every word” after their targets. “This is terrifying.”

When the 99 cent QDrops app, which allows users to “redpill with ease (https://twitter.com/qdropsapp/status/995056847378964482),” launched in April, it climbed to the top slot in the “entertainment” section. It also landed a spot in the top 10 most popular among Apple iOS apps and top 200 in paid iOS apps, according to Newsmax (https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/qdrops-app-apple-store-president-donald-trump/2018/07/17/id/872125/). Apple removed the app in July, but it has more than 5,000 installs from the Google Play (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qdropsandroidllc.qdrops&fbclid=IwAR07u9eeiUgd5c6Adlap9ns7H1SOhsR4ELC38yopAHSGsE8y63TK4PALhGg) store alone.


Patriot’s Soapbox And Monetizing QAnon
Perhaps the biggest money-makers in the Q realm are Coleman Rogers (PamphletAnon) and his wife Christina Urso (who goes by the name CodeMonkey), who started and run Patriot’s Soapbox (PSB), a 24/7 YouTube livestream of Q analysis and registered LLC. Unirock (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1247291&viewfull=1#post1247291), who has been investigating QAnon for several months, believes that PamphletAnon is responsible for turning QAnon into a cash cow.

Although the corroborating video has been deleted by Patriot’s Soapbox, Unirock told me that during the first two months of the channel, viewers were asked to leave the livestream on at all hours of the day so they would always have a high view count.


http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Georgi3.png



The PSB team added $20,000 to $40,000 in equipment to upgrade their setup over the first couple of months, by Unirock’s estimates. PSB also has a merchandise store. The channel has more than 55,000 subscribers and accepts donations via PayPal and a variety of cryptocurrencies.

There are other indicators that Q promoters are financially motivated. On April 14, Q posted a picture of an obscure highway billboard that says “Where We Go One We Go All,” the unofficial the slogan of the Q community. It directed viewers to a website called DoUKnowQ.com, which, at the time I first visited the sight, sold Q merchandise in addition to providing “Q news” and “Q proofs.”


Free Markets Or Profiting Off Stupidity? Why Not Both?
Q believers have shrugged off the fact that Q researchers are profiting off the movement, citing “free market” principles. Yet whoever was posting as Q took pains to “call out (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1233188.html#1233458)” people who are profiting off the movement, saying they aren’t real “patriots” and that the only “profit we should all be striving for is true freedom.” This was two weeks after Q posted the billboard photo.

To the skeptic, this appears to be a deflection. Q believers have not yet provided me with a reasonable way to reconcile the strong statement from their leader with the profits being made off Q.

On top of all the nonsensical content is the forensic data indicating Q’s fraudulence. As Posobiec noted, PamphletAnon was once caught “claiming a post was from Q when the post did not contain the actual trip code validation. Not that hard to figure out how he knew about the post when no one else did.” Posobiec also points out that
“the tripcode changes seemed to coincide with changes in the lineup of board moderators as new mods were brought in and old mods were kicked out of the group.”

http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Georgi4.png


QAnon’s passwords were once hacked (https://pastebin.com/P1g5RPWs)and published along with a technical discussion from the hacker outlining the evidence that Q doesn’t secure his content the way a “high level intel officer” would. Unirock reminded me of a still more suspicious behavior: Q only posts on someone else’s 8Chan board, where Q-drops could be potentially deleted by moderators or Q’s passcode disabled. A real government agent wouldn’t put this supposedly important information at risk like that.

Could Microchip have generated fake logs to take credit for Q? It’s a possibility. But his story doesn’t exactly make him look good. Here we see a man admitting to trolling, to baiting Trump supporters with conspiracy theories, and seeming amused when his friend literally made up a prediction out of whole cloth to get the fringe right riled up––just for laughs.

Q believers flatly reject all evidence that Q is a fraud, only a sliver of which is provided in this article. Instead, they earnestly insist that Q researchers are doing “real journalism,” and that I need to “red pill” and “leave the Matrix.” They do not consider that perhaps it is they who need to wake up from their own LARP matrix and leave the virtual compound.

QAnon has such a dangerous hold over its followers because it appeals to deeper, spiritual needs. Wu Ming provides incisive commentary:
In certain ways, conspiracy theorists are in the same league as psychics, magicians, astrologists and gurus of pseudo-medicine: all these people work in the field of wonder…In doing this, they exploit human needs, because in our life we do need surprise, wonder, new angles from which looking [sic] at things and thinking we’re different. Conspiracy theorists provide all that, and channel the people’s anxiety on [sic] their lives into the belief in an all-explaining narrative.

http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Georgi5.png


Microchip implored Q followers to wake up.
“QAnon is not resolving problems. There is no mysterious agency dispatch B to come save you riding in on a white horse like one would believe. But the idea is that you have to get out and you have to actually do stuff because QAnon is not going to save you…you gotta go out and vote, you gotta go out and do activism. You can’t just sit at home and hope that these magical guys behind the scenes are going to magically save the USA because they’re not there.”
Words to live by.

[ThePythonicCow]

Cross-posting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1257230#post1257230) the following since it's also partly a confession:

From Trolling To Fleecing: Co-Creator Of ‘Q’ Hoax Explains Its Scary Evolution (http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/29/trolling-fleecing-co-creator-q-hoax-explains-dangerous-evolution/)


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1056864119025029120/VZ3BRubw?format=jpg&name=600x314

How the QAnon internet hoax sowed lies, spread chaos and conspiracy theories, and profited off its surprisingly large following.

By Georgi Boorman (http://thefederalist.com/author/georgi-boorman/) thefederalist.com

October 29, 2018

A little less than a year after the first QAnon post, which has since led hundreds of thousands of news junkies down a conspiracy rabbit hole, news correspondent Jack Posobiec from One America News Network spoke with one of the co-originators of the “Q” persona who runs a group of individuals posing as a high-level government intelligence officer. On an anonymous “free speech” platform called 8Chan, they leave thousands of riddles, “clues,” odd questions, and cryptic lines as bread crumbs for their followers to help them in their search for truth.

...
I find Q and some (not all, of course, but quite a bit) of research done by Q anons to be worthwhile hints of what's really going on in the world at large, especially in Washington DC politics and power plays, and in Globalist, Neocon, et al politics and power plays in the world at large.

I find Microchip's "debunking" of Q, and this article by Georgi Boorman relating and perpetuating that "debunking", to be essentially a "food fight in the cafeteria", in the written variant of what Bombard's Body Language would call portrayal mode. This Boorman article is loaded with derogatory insinuations, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Some do not like or trust the style of Q's drops ... the cryptic clues and questions. They do not trust Q nor the work of those researching Q's drops.

I do not like or trust the style of Microchip's or Boorman's "debunking" of Q, nor could I find much of anything of value in it, thus I put "debunking" in quotes, indicating my position that it is no such thing.

However, beyond registering my dissent here, I don't know of any useful way to continue this present discussion, in this thread, so most likely I won't for now.

[Ratszinger]

There are bold statements in the post by Herve` and they assume a lot. Too much is assumed in my opinion and is placed under a broad umbrella. For example, "Like many cults, QAnon encourages its most dedicated followers to give money to the further the “great awakening" is misleading at best and perhaps even completely false! Qanon encouraged prayer, I do not recall Q calling for money but I do recall Q pointing out where others were profiting off the movement and they were condemned for it by Q and the readers.

More? "Q believers have shrugged off the fact that Q researchers are profiting off the movement, citing “free market” principles" Complete assumption bringing in "ALL" researchers as if there is some fact to say each and every person involved was profiting and citing free market enterprising as their reasoning.

Q posted all info. that is already out there. There is nothing that is really new. Many of the links were quite old.
I think it is disingenuous to select and suggest people even when they are like Tracy, not that popular at first, are profiting off Q when evidence is already out there showing that were already getting occasional payments from viewers of her videos even before being helped by "Q traffic" Does the fact that Q brought in more traffic just because more came to see what was being reported automatically mean that Tracy is now responsible for profiting off of Q or is someone just trying to dig for worms where they are none?

Most of these youtubers were already making money from any number of the topics they discussed. The fact that another topic of interest came around and they happened to profit off it too does not warrant the way this was written by the author. That type of slant is just that. That being slanted to paint the picture that wrong doing has taken place when in fact it is nothing more than happenstance and the same ole same ole happening on each youtuber channel!

The very same youtubers made money off some of Wilcocks stuff, some of Corey's stuff, some of Trump's, some off Simon Parks talks, some off Bill Ryan's and Christine's videos old and new and more but all anyone wanting to find fault with Q sees is conspiracy to profit off Q even when they were big youtubers already getting significant income from their goings on. I find the above article about Q to be sad. I don't agree with all of Q and do find it somewhat suspicious but the write up above is very slanted. Dare I say, fake news?

[Praxis]

I thought this thread was supposed to be a haven for Q non-believers.
I ceased discussing the topic in question on this thread some time ago, and I see that Flash has now chosen to do so as well.

Carry on.




I find Q and some (not all, of course, but quite a bit) of research done by Q anons to be worthwhile hints of what's really going on in the world at large, especially in Washington DC politics and power plays, and in Globalist, Neocon, et al politics and power plays in the world at large.

I find Microchip's "debunking" of Q, and this article by Georgi Boorman relating and perpetuating that "debunking", to be essentially a "food fight in the cafeteria", in the written variant of what Bombard's Body Language would call portrayal mode. This Boorman article is loaded with derogatory insinuations, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Some do not like or trust the style of Q's drops ... the cryptic clues and questions. They do not trust Q nor the work of those researching Q's drops.

I do not like or trust the style of Microchip's or Boorman's "debunking" of Q, nor could I find much of anything of value in it, thus I put "debunking" in quotes, indicating my position that it is no such thing.

However, beyond registering my dissent here, I don't know of any useful way to continue this present discussion, in this thread, so most likely I won't for now.

******Ceasing to post intensifies*******

[mountain_jim]

Neon Revolt has
debunked Microchip's debunking in numerous posts of his own over the last 2 months - I refuse to revisit this quite old news at this point, and will just wait and see who is proved right soon enough.

Well other than this link from 9/10:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/10/breaking-microchip-and-the-deep-state-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

[ThePythonicCow]

However, beyond registering my dissent here, I don't know of any useful way to continue this present discussion, in this thread, so most likely I won't for now.

******Ceasing to post intensifies*******

Mod hat on: I recommend to others, and to myself, allowing occasional postings of dissent, if such applies, even on threads that seek to maintain a focus from a differing perspective. Such postings might be just an occasional registering of dissent, without asking for or endeavoring to provoke a debate, if done on threads, such as this one, which the main contributors prefer not be disrupted with debates from the dissenting position. Mod hat off.

Please NOTE: there is nothing in this post that offers the slightest clue as to what is the topic of this present thread. This is just and only a "point of order" post.

Also please NOTE: I did not say I would never again post on this thread. Indeed, I am posting again, here and now, in this post. Rather I said that I would "most likely" not post (to "continue" "this present discussion") "for now".

[Jayke]

High on tall tales but low on evidence. If they really were the originators of Q, it should be easy enough to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt. They just seem to be trying to raise their profile to me, to make a name for themselves. I doubt any of the genuine Anon researchers take them very seriously (as Mountain Jim notes with the Neon Revolt article).

Unirock and Microchip, the Corey Goode and Emery Smith of the Q movement. :ROFL:

[Matthew]

...
[dissent is cool]
...
I did not say I would never again post on this thread. Indeed, I am posting again, here and now, in this post. Rather I said that I would "most likely" not post (to "continue" "this present discussion") "for now".

I;m glad you did post that one a few posts up, I couldn't of agreed more about the high quality of research done by Q Anon and supporting anons. Not perfect but impressive. Also the movement shines a light on gritty subjects typically unwelcome.

I'm highly suspicious of Q but very impressed :beer:

[Matthew]

High on tall tales but low on evidence. If they really were the originators of Q, it should be easy enough to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt. They just seem to be trying to raise their profile to me, to make a name for themselves. I doubt any of the genuine Anon researchers take them very seriously (as Mountain Jim notes with the Neon Revolt article).

Unirock and Microchip, the Corey Goode and Emery Smith of the Q movement. :ROFL:

I agree no doubt they are glory hunters looking for greater and greater YouTube fame. And so is half of YouTube. But that's not a reason to discount Tracy Diaz or UNIRock or whoever, there is enough content to trigger some doubt. Like the tripcode change. It's hard to wade through to find it but if you wanted to look deeper this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1250600&viewfull=1#post1250600) might help.

[Jayke]

High on tall tales but low on evidence. If they really were the originators of Q, it should be easy enough to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt. They just seem to be trying to raise their profile to me, to make a name for themselves. I doubt any of the genuine Anon researchers take them very seriously (as Mountain Jim notes with the Neon Revolt article).

Unirock and Microchip, the Corey Goode and Emery Smith of the Q movement. :ROFL:

I agree no doubt they are glory hunters looking for greater and greater YouTube fame. And so is half of YouTube. But that's not a reason to discount Tracy Diaz or UNIRock or whoever, there is enough content to trigger some doubt. Like the tripcode change. It's hard to wade through to find it but if you wanted to look deeper this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1250600&viewfull=1#post1250600) might help.

After reading your suggested post and the NeonRevolt article shared by Mountain Jim, I’m still inclined to say Unirock and co are the Corey Goode brigade of the Q movement.

What doubts do the tripcode change trigger for you? Perhaps an analysis from someone whose waded through the hard stuff on our behalf would help any fencesitters who haven’t made their mind up yet?

[Matthew]

High on tall tales but low on evidence. If they really were the originators of Q, it should be easy enough to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt. They just seem to be trying to raise their profile to me, to make a name for themselves. I doubt any of the genuine Anon researchers take them very seriously (as Mountain Jim notes with the Neon Revolt article).

Unirock and Microchip, the Corey Goode and Emery Smith of the Q movement. :ROFL:

I agree no doubt they are glory hunters looking for greater and greater YouTube fame. And so is half of YouTube. But that's not a reason to discount Tracy Diaz or UNIRock or whoever, there is enough content to trigger some doubt. Like the tripcode change. It's hard to wade through to find it but if you wanted to look deeper this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1250600&viewfull=1#post1250600) might help.

After reading your suggested post and the NeonRevolt article shared by Mountain Jim, I’m still inclined to say Unirock and co are the Corey Goode brigade of the Q movement.

What doubts do the tripcode change trigger for you? Perhaps an analysis from someone whose waded through the hard stuff on our behalf would help any fencesitters who haven’t made their mind up yet?

I'll go this far...



...
16m41s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=16m41s
* Supporting evidence shown on the video
* On the Patriot Soapbox they admitted they have the power to renumber the Q posts; shown on UNIRocks video at https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=17m9s (17m9s)
* This means they must have the tripcode for the Q posts
...


**UPDATE**
The implication is the bakers have the tripcode, so if Q Anon is real then this evidence suggests the bakers ALSO have the Q Anon tripcodes...
But Herves post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1257245&viewfull=1#post1257245) is the crown of the thread so far imho

[Matthew]

...


...
**UPDATE**
The implication is the bakers have the tripcode, so if Q Anon is real then this evidence suggests the bakers ALSO have the Q Anon tripcodes...
But Herves post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1257245&viewfull=1#post1257245) is the crown of the thread so far imho

Jayke I apologise, I read the above back and realise I didn't explain much of anything if you didn't know the significance of the tripcode.

Whoever has the tripcode can post as Q Anon. This is why when the anon known as Pamphlet accidentally revealed the Q Anon tripcode the game was rumbled. Or at least it implies the real Q Anon government insider must have given the tripcode to Pamphlet and the rest of the bakers

Here's another snippet referring to the video in the OP, that touches on this tripcode evidence.



...
17m59s
https://youtu.be/cKSUlfT_MnM?t=17m59s
* May 19 2018 UPDATED was May 19 2019 Pamphlet is recorded on the Patriot Soapbox posting as Q Anon
* Pamphlet subsequently tries to cover his back
* (In the video UNIRock demonstrates with his own reconstruction)
* UNIRock talks about Pamphlet revealing the Q Anon tripcode
...


I hope this helps a bit more, sorry again for rushing my previous answers :/

[Bill Ryan]

Rather to my surprise, no-one's posted this yet. I make no comment. I'm just being a messenger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSDqBVVFfsM

[ThePythonicCow]

Rather to my surprise, no-one's posted this yet. I make no comment. I'm just being a messenger.
Since the originators of this thread prefer not to turn it into a debating thread, I will reply over on the original Q thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1257942&viewfull=1#post1257942

[Dennis Leahy]

Rather to my surprise, no-one's posted this yet. ...
Since the originators of this thread prefer not to turn it into a debating thread, I will reply over on the original Q thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1257942&viewfull=1#post1257942
I recognize some of "Microchip's" words as having been posted here on Avalon - it must have been a transcript of that video. So, (unless I'm wrong), at least the text has been posted here.

[norman]

Rather to my surprise, no-one's posted this yet. I make no comment. I'm just being a messenger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSDqBVVFfsM

The only people who will be impressed by this will be the people who don't really know very much about the Q drops. Who don't understand that Q has inside info.

There are a huge number of people like that out there so I won't be surprised if this video and others like it get traction and might even make prime time TV.

[Praxis]

Rather to my surprise, no-one's posted this yet. I make no comment. I'm just being a messenger.
Since the originators of this thread prefer not to turn it into a debating thread, I will reply over on the original Q thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1257942&viewfull=1#post1257942

Yes we know that you voice your research into Q in that thread.

Why is there a continual need to engage with the thread just to tell us you are not engaging with the thread?
And to throw out snide attacks like " well since people in here dont want to debate..."

It really bothers you that people see through Q stuff doesnt it?

After watching the videos on this thread, I think it is entirely plausible that people made Q up to have some fun with people and it got out of hand.

This is why I dont post more in here. I feel there is not much to say. It is pretty clear to me what is going on.
We have tried debating with the pro q people. Points are not addressed. So there isnt much of a debate.

THere is just "Do the research"

Great I would like to. That is why I was disappointed when Trump totally defeated the deep state by allowing the CIA to continue to hide the JFK documents.

[waves]

Paul, I've tried to hold back but I've had enough. It's beyond totally unnecessary to keep announcing that you're going to leave and not post here anymore while you keep replying and replying that you disagree and disagree. It's starting to feel like an annoying fly that keeps circling.

Please respect the OP and intention of this thread obviously understood by everyone else and let the people still keeping an open mind and offering substance for our strong doubting suspicions about Q - whether we debate any of our new evolving and varying evidence or not - to have this one Q related thread without seeing your name anymore at all. Please don't even post to say OK... especially not ever again to announce you're going to reply somewhere else, just go, we know you disagree. MUCH APPRECIATION IN ADVANCE.

Thank you very much to all the other Q believers who have been respectful and left us alone.

[samildamach]

So if I don't agree with aspects of the thread even though iam not pro q is it o.k to post or is any opposition banned.
So do we now choose who can and can not post here.

[waves]

Just don't be a totally bought into Q believer just here to keep telling us that we're wrong.

Especially be willing acknowledge the valid doubts and evidence. Don't be here to respond to everything by repeating over and over that we don't 'get' what you get.

WE GET WHAT THE BELIEVERS THINK AND WHY. We get all their 'proofs' and the 'predictions' and (non)coincidences - AND WE STILL HAVE BIG QUESTIONS.

To start, please have listened to the video in the OP as a basis for our doubts.

We have not formed any conclusions here, there's a mountain of valid questions on the table.

Absolutely disagree with suggested evidence! But please say precisely why.

Thanks for asking, I understand how the frustrations stated could be confusing.

[waves]

Rather to my surprise, no-one's posted this yet. I make no comment. I'm just being a messenger.......

Thank you. No that OAN report wasn't posted by itself but it was addressed in the 2 hour program by Defango that I posted in this thread on September 27.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1250887&viewfull=1#post1250887

It was a lot of repeating of the content of the OP video, but OAN was definitely a more influential site.

[Jayke]

This short video shows some of the Q proofs that the Microchip theory doesn’t account for (not that all of them are very strong proofs, but some are worth considering):

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I watched the video YoYoYo suggested, and for me, it creates more questions than it answers.

Like Paul mentions, the chatlogs can easily be falsified so it’s hard to give credence to those aspects of the confession, but, even if we pretend that they’re 100% legit for a moment. One question I found myself asking is who is this FBIAnon guy, and what was he posting that encouraged Microchip to promote the Q LARP?

My answer to that hypothetical question creates an alternate series of events that I feel would fit the evidence better....




1. The intelligence operatives begin their operation to disseminate information, the operations don’t gain much traction.
2. Microchip gets covertly recruited to help the movement go viral (in the same way Corey Goode was easily recruited to push the blue avian narrative).
3. Once the assets have helped push the narrative into public awareness, the intelligence operatives cut the assets out of the loop, move to a different board to get distance from them, and continue the operation without their input.
4. The assets, not realising they were duped and covertly recruited, cry like babies about how they were the real Q, and the other guys are the phoneys, and out of spite, rather than a sincere desire to inform people, set out to discredit the whole movement.

Jake Morphonious of The BlackStone Intelligence Network YouTube channel, is someone whose views I respect. His take on the Q phenomenon is that it was a LARP that was then hijacked and taken over by the Intelligence community. He doesn’t pay any attention to the Q phenomenon and ridicules the whole thing. He also mentioned the ‘Q’ book by Luther Blissett, long before Herves article was posted. The WuMing guys, who wrote the Q book, tweeted back in June, how the Q phenomenon seemed to be taken directly from their book, written under their Luther Blissett pseudonym. Why then did it take another 3 months for Microchip to come forward and say, we got the idea for Q from this book.

Who else do we know—that gets trashed on this forum—who uses public domain information, and then fraudulently spins that information into a historical narrative to persuade people of his legitimacy? Corey Goode and co (hence my earlier evaluation).

Question then!

Does Corey Goode believe he’s really the ambassador of the blue avian sphere being alliance? Has he convinced himself of that fact?

Microchip and co, seem to be in a similar position to Corey (that is, if there’s any part of their story that’s genuinely trustworthy, of which I remain dubious). Utilised by Intelligence operatives as a resource to disseminate information and create a movement. When that operation takes off, Microchip and Co. are no longer needed or useful, so they’re cut out of the loop by the same people who recruited them to begin with.

One piece of evidence Microchip and his Corey Goode brigade never seem to touch on, and the key piece of evidence that convinces me there’s more to the Q story than it just being a LARP, is the prediction of the FISA declassification—to the exact day, 5 months in advance—before it happened. Until anyone can answer how that was predicted, I’ll keep my healthy skepticism about who or what created the Q movement, while appreciatiang the fruits that get brought up.

The other thing the article, posted by Herve, doesn’t address is that regardless of whether the creator of Q is a LARP or not, the Q movement has taken on a life of its own. Q has become a symbol for investigating and fighting the corruption of the deep state, in the same way ‘Tommy Robinson’ has become a symbol for tackling judicial corruption and the extremist islamification of Europe. It ties into deeper movements that are occurring worldwide, and rather than accept or acknowledge the benefits of those movements, the article attempts to tarnish and ridicule the whole thing, which causes me to suspect it’s just deep state anti-Q propoganda.

If Jake Morphonious is right with his take that Q was a LARP, hijacked by the intelligence community, maybe a distinction needs to be made between the Q LARP phase versus the genuine intelligence operation stage.

Where then do we draw the line between those distinctions? It’s hard to say since the latest Q drops are referencing the earliest Q drops as though the whole thing has been carefully orchestrated and planned by the same team, from the get go.
Or are the intelligence operatives just utilising what was published earlier in a creative manner?

My position about the Q movement has been the same since I jumped on board, as long as there’s value to be found and avenues of research are brought up for illumination, I’ll continue to ride the train and connect the Q drops into my own areas of study. I still find value in investigating the drops, and I see how it’s bringing new nodes in a system together to form what Dr Steve Turley calls ‘The Network Society’.

I actually find the timing of the Q drops, which started last year, to be part of a wider psy-op. Wasn’t bitcoin and distributed ledger technologies also being hyped up this time last year?

I always wondered why the bitcoin psy-op tailed off at the start of 2018, when they could have easily continued to hype it up and inflate the market even more. In hindsight, I see that it was more about creating a distributed ledger infrastructure, once the physical infrastructure was in place, the next stage of the operation could be rolled out, the creation of an intellectual or philosophical infrastructure.

Now that the Q movement has combined a philosophical and physical infrastructure i.e. the nodes of ‘The Network Society’ are being brought together. The next stage of the psy-op could be ready for implementation after the elections. 2019 will probably see the next phase in a different psy-op...which might have something to do with integrating ‘The Network Society’ into the 5G communication network for the creation of...??

Only time will tell what the overall agenda is for these different psy-ops. Microchip and Co. are most likely just an insignificant cog in a much deeper and broader operation. But that’s just my personal ‘tin foil hat’ conspiracy theory speculation. The show continues, and the trains still on the tracks.

[Dennis Leahy]

The 'q' psyop 'typists' (if those who are researching are called "autists', let's call the psyop boys 'typists'), have gone from pseudo-intriguing clues and "the Socratic method" to just flat out GOP Republican Party cheerleading and demonizing the opposition duopoly party.






"Planned Parenthood
https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-204R
$1.5 billion provided in taxpayer funding over 3-year period.
[Case 1]
PP spent $30 million [disclosed - real estimates close to $65 million] in taxpayer subsidies to influence the outcome of the 2018 midterm elections.
[Conclusion]
Should it be legal for a taxpayer [D+R+I] funded organization to donate massive amounts of money to the D party in an effort to sway an election?
D_insider_term: T_WASH
Re_read drops re: Soros & taxpayer funding
YOUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.
VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!
Q"rudy guiliani was involved in 9/11 as a co-conspirator and member of the cover-up team. (He can now sue me for libel, if I am wrong, but I'm not.) 9/11 was done by the deep state (and Mossad, or maybe more realistically, the Mossad is an integral part of the deep state.) So, a deep state operative is trump's counsel. trump, as you remember, famously said (in campaigning) he was going to solve 9/11. Who else on 9/11/2001 was obviously deep state and involved? Lots and lots of republicans, that's who. I guess that everyone now that points their spears at the democrats as the seat of the deep state has sort of forgotten that it was 100% deep state republicans in charge on 9/11.


Allow me to repeat that: it was 100% deep state republicans in charge on 9/11.

So, autists, how in the hell can you conclude that republicans are the good guys? Do you now somehow really believe that all of the republicans that orchestrated 9/11 and were/are obviously deep state are washed clean of their sins, and that now, the deep state is democrats? Seriously? Or maybe I should use the Socratic method: Do you realize that the USA, INC. deep state is 100% composed of people that are politically democrats and republicans, and that voting for democrats and republicans is not going to change the agenda of the deep state?

[waves]

Jayke, thank you so much for that very well thought out analysis and putting those absolutely valid puzzle pieces on the table. I'm here making a short post without contribution that I usually don't like to do to quick acknowledge it since I don't use the thanks button, but also to add that I been thinking something similar from an additional angle that includes a different role than Microchip has admitted and/or knew he was being used for and I will put those further puzzle pieces on the table asap when I get a chance. I absolutely think something much bigger and deeper is going on than is apparent.

[Jayke]

So, autists, how in the hell can you conclude that republicans are the good guys? Do you now somehow really believe that all of the republicans that orchestrated 9/11 and were/are obviously deep state are washed clean of their sins, and that now, the deep state is democrats? Seriously? Or maybe I should use the Socratic method: Do you realize that the USA, INC. deep state is 100% composed of people that are politically democrats and republicans, and that voting for democrats and republicans is not going to change the agenda of the deep state?

I’m still waiting for that regime change in Iran you were alerting us to a while back, Dennis, or the chemical gas attack in Syria that never happened. Meanwhile, in the real world, Mad dog Mattis and Pompeo have made statements declaring they’re putting pressure on the UN to bring the Yemen genocide to a close.

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http://www.voltairenet.org/article203716.html




Washington wants to put an end to the war in Yemen

On 30 October 2018, General James Mattis, the Defense Secretary, spoke at the US Institute of Peace and announced that it was his intention to put an end to the war in Yemen in less than 30 days.

Washington hopes that it will be supported by Martin Griffiths (United Kingdom). He is the Special Representative for the UN, Secretary General, and former director of the European Institute of Peace. The first president of this institution was Steffan de Mistura. He then went on to become the UN Secretary General’s Special Envoy for Syria. The European Institute for Peace is the sister organization of its US homonym. Ronald Raegan established the US Institute at the same time as NED. The thinking: the US Peace Institute would be a special purpose vehicle for the Pentagon, just as the Ned was for the Pentagon.

Last week Martin Griffiths was received in Washington. He gave a long interview on the Saudi TV Channel, Al-Arabiya (photo). It seems that his mission is to help Saudi Arabia to clamber out of the cesspool a product of its own waste, in which it was drowning in Yemen. Yemen, like Afghanistan, is a country that has always resisted invaders and which has never been able to be occupied.

The words of Jim Mattis were immediately echoed by Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State.

This war is an initiative of Mohamed Ben Salmane who is both the Saudi Crown Prince and Saudi Minister of Defense. Its aim: to enable Saudi to pull the strings of the Yemen government. Why? so Saudi Arabia can exploit the oil reserves to be found in the region between the two countries. It was undertaken with Israel’s help as Israel and Saudi share a joint general staff in Somaliland. It seemed that up until now the Prince’s initiative was integrated into the Pentagon’s general strategy which was to destroy the state structures of the enlarged Middle East (Cebrowski Doctrine).

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http://www.voltairenet.org/article203704.html





Statement by Mike Pompeo: Ending the Conflict in Yemen

“The United States calls on all parties to support UN Special Envoy Martin Griffiths in finding a peaceful solution to the conflict in Yemen based on the agreed references.

The time is now for the cessation of hostilities, including missile and UAV strikes from Houthi-controlled areas into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Subsequently, Coalition air strikes must cease in all populated areas in Yemen.

Substantive consultations under the UN Special Envoy must commence this November in a third country to implement confidence-building measures to address the underlying issues of the conflict, the demilitarization of borders, and the concentration of all large weapons under international observation.

A cessation of hostilities and vigorous resumption of a political track will help ease the humanitarian crisis as well.

It is time to end this conflict, replace conflict with compromise, and allow the Yemeni people to heal through peace and reconstruction.
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Has the Deep State suddenly had a change of mind? or is it possible Trumps threat of the FISA Declassification has enabled him to make a few deals behind the scenes? Deals that might have brought the worst elements of the Deep State to heel?

Personally, if I lived in America, I’d be supporting independent for Congress, Kesha Rogers, who is running on Lyndon LaRouches 4 laws of economic revival, including National Banking, Glass Steagal, Fusion Energy, Space Exploration and Classical Education.

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[Dennis Leahy]

Jayke, that's a strawman argument to my post.

If you want to comment about my post, maybe look at my accusation (paraphrasing) that the republican party half of the duopoly is deep state just as the democrat party half of the duopoly is deep state.

q is telling people to vote for the deep state republicans. So, q is either just another partisan dumbass idiot inadvertently helping the deep state (which is my guess) or deep state.

[Jayke]

Jayke, that's a strawman argument to my post.

If you want to comment about my post, maybe look at my accusation (paraphrasing) that the republican party half of the duopoly is deep state just as the democrat party half of the duopoly is deep state.

q is telling people to vote for the deep state republicans. So, q is either just another partisan dumbass idiot inadvertently helping the deep state (which is my guess) or deep state.

Aren’t you’re straw-manning Q’s posts though? (Does Q say anything about voting for “deep state republicans” :ROFL:) Or maybe you’re just straw-manning yourself with a deep state neurosis?

Besides, I wasn’t actually refuting your post, so it’s not a strawman argument. If you want to bring rhetoric into it, i was actually highlighting the fact that you don’t hold a good track record for making accurate predictions in geopolitics. Your ethos (character) tends to be alarmist, and as a result, your post would fall under the alarmist category, in my view at least, which means it doesn’t need refuting (no strawman needed), which is why I didn’t bother refuting it. I just offered counter-evidence to show that maybe what you call ‘the Deep State’ isn’t actually as influential anymore as you give it credit.

Your observations are noted, Dennis, I just don’t find them valid because you don’t include any nuance as to any different deep state factions that might exist behind the scenes, or which deep state factions are implementing different agendas.

I find your fears to be unfounded in this instance. The sky is not going to fall if the Republicans win the house. But I’d agree that people should choose the best candidate in their area, regardless of whether they’re republican or not. If only there was a Kesha Rogers in every state, “the deep state” would be having panic attacks.

[Ratszinger]

McCain was republican and the Q character knew he was bad regardless of his party affiliation. While it does appear that Q is pushing for the RNC at this time I believe also he is pointing out, 'think mirror' for more than a few things but also the party affiliation. The parties are not the same parties as yesteryear. In fact the democrat of the JFK era ran on reducing taxes which is not in the DNC agenda any more and has not been since he was killed. In many ways Q points out that the parties have switched or reversed over time and in many other ways is a con, a uni-party if you will.

I think also sometimes that it is likely Q works for the same ilk as the mega stars who speak on behave of their masters. It stands to reason Q has a master and it stands to reason he speaks for his masters and their plan. Spielberg pointed out how the elite masters, how the mega wealthy movers and shakers see the world. The way they see it, there are two kinds of people, "PIMPS" and "WHORES". The pimps hold it all together for the whores so they have a playground of 'hope' to play in and any among them willing to sacrifice what is necessary to get what they want may do so from the pimps so long as they know their place and do what is demanded of a whore. So the world as they see it, sells themselves out to the pimps giving them permission to do what they do to all of us!

So Q works for the same pimps as everyone else basically lining up all the good stragglers getting the ducks in a row for the inevitable NWO (new world order) just around the corner.

[samildamach]

The 'q' psyop 'typists' (if those who are researching are called "autists', let's call the psyop boys 'typists'), have gone from pseudo-intriguing clues and "the Socratic method" to just flat out GOP Republican Party cheerleading and demonizing the opposition duopoly party.






"Planned Parenthood
https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-204R
$1.5 billion provided in taxpayer funding over 3-year period.
[Case 1]
PP spent $30 million [disclosed - real estimates close to $65 million] in taxpayer subsidies to influence the outcome of the 2018 midterm elections.
[Conclusion]
Should it be legal for a taxpayer [D+R+I] funded organization to donate massive amounts of money to the D party in an effort to sway an election?
D_insider_term: T_WASH
Re_read drops re: Soros & taxpayer funding
YOUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.
VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!
Q"rudy guiliani was involved in 9/11 as a co-conspirator and member of the cover-up team. (He can now sue me for libel, if I am wrong, but I'm not.) 9/11 was done by the deep state (and Mossad, or maybe more realistically, the Mossad is an integral part of the deep state.) So, a deep state operative is trump's counsel. trump, as you remember, famously said (in campaigning) he was going to solve 9/11. Who else on 9/11/2001 was obviously deep state and involved? Lots and lots of republicans, that's who. I guess that everyone now that points their spears at the democrats as the seat of the deep state has sort of forgotten that it was 100% deep state republicans in charge on 9/11.


Allow me to repeat that: it was 100% deep state republicans in charge on 9/11.

So, autists, how in the hell can you conclude that republicans are the good guys? Do you now somehow really believe that all of the republicans that orchestrated 9/11 and were/are obviously deep state are washed clean of their sins, and that now, the deep state is democrats? Seriously? Or maybe I should use the Socratic method: Do you realize that the USA, INC. deep state is 100% composed of people that are politically democrats and republicans, and that voting for democrats and republicans is not going to change the agenda of the deep state?

you have a really strong case here Dennis about Rudy.
Can you link in the evidence as it's compelling that if Trump would bring on board a deep state traitor into his inner council,one involved in 9/11 a crime against his own people then nothing Trump does can be trusted.

[Satori]

It has always concerned me, and still does, that Trump brought Guliani on board.

Maybe Trump is keeping enemies of this country closer; a variation of the adage about keeping your friends close but your enemies closer. Maybe he is unaware, or not convinced, of Guliani's role in 9/11. He, Trump, has been duped. Perhaps.

Maybe those of us who feel Guliani bears some responsibility for 9/11, or at least its coverup, are wrong. (But I don't think so.)

Perhaps Trump has decided that he needs fire to fight fire and that Guliani provides that firepower because he knows a lot about the forces out to defeat Trump and at this point Trump needs what Guliani has to offer.

I don't know. Just thinking out loud, for what it's worth.

[Dennis Leahy]

Jayke, that's a strawman argument to my post.

If you want to comment about my post, maybe look at my accusation (paraphrasing) that the republican party half of the duopoly is deep state just as the democrat party half of the duopoly is deep state.

q is telling people to vote for the deep state republicans. So, q is either just another partisan dumbass idiot inadvertently helping the deep state (which is my guess) or deep state.

Aren’t you’re straw-manning Q’s posts though? (Does Q say anything about voting for “deep state republicans” :ROFL:) Or maybe you’re just straw-manning yourself with a deep state neurosis?

Besides, I wasn’t actually refuting your post, so it’s not a strawman argument. If you want to bring rhetoric into it, i was actually highlighting the fact that you don’t hold a good track record for making accurate predictions in geopolitics. Your ethos (character) tends to be alarmist, and as a result, your post would fall under the alarmist category, in my view at least, which means it doesn’t need refuting (no strawman needed), which is why I didn’t bother refuting it. I just offered counter-evidence to show that maybe what you call ‘the Deep State’ isn’t actually as influential anymore as you give it credit.

Your observations are noted, Dennis, I just don’t find them valid because you don’t include any nuance as to any different deep state factions that might exist behind the scenes, or which deep state factions are implementing different agendas.

I find your fears to be unfounded in this instance. The sky is not going to fall if the Republicans win the house. But I’d agree that people should choose the best candidate in their area, regardless of whether they’re republican or not. If only there was a Kesha Rogers in every state, “the deep state” would be having panic attacks.
It's sort of impossible to have a conversation where you refuse to address the issues that I have brought up. Go back and actually read what I wrote, and respond to it if you want to have a conversation.

So far, you're basically trolling me, and making it pretty personal. Your condescending, "calm down, little fellow" tone is noted.

You bet your ass I'm alarmist, and I will continue to sound the alarm, periodically, as necessary, with the ebb and flow of emergent situations - due to the malevolence of what the major powers on Earth are doing to innocents and sovereign nations. Feel free to sit quietly, though.

Those paying attention to how the world is run (if you think "Global Mafia", you'll be spot on), are aware of the testimony of whistleblower John Perkins (summarized brilliantly, here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Dvt2EqXF4)), and would understand that the USA, INC is ALREADY AT WAR with Iran, in the sanction phase, and that the US military has a base - as an occupying force, against the will of Syria - in Syria, and that all the remaining terrorists in Syria are under the physical protection of the US and Israeli military and supported by the UK, France, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. You, there, safe in your jammies in the UK, need not be alarmed. Iran, on the other hand, certainly is, as is Syria. ("Sanctions", to the USA, means cutting off as many supply lines as possible, directly targeting civilians with starvation and lack of medical supplies.) If you observe the masters of slow motion genocidal warfare - the Israelis - wiping out Palestine and Palestinians, you'll have a better understanding of modern (aggressive, war crime) war. It is conducted in "fits and starts", not a continuous siege. If you think there will not be further cause for alarm, you're simply not paying attention.

The USA, INC. is a war machine, a war corporation. Two-thirds of the US budget is for war. That means that the #1 export from the US is war, and war is needed to keep the "military industrial complex" (that Eisenhower outed as the metastasized nucleus of what we now call the deep state) functioning.

Again, the USA, INC. is a war machine, a war corporation. Two-thirds of the ever-increasing US budget is for war. That means that the #1 export from the US is war, and war is needed to keep the "military industrial complex" functioning. <---- THIS IS THE PROBLEM. This is the world's problem. The "Deep State" is the unelected rulers of the USA. By definition, they are unaffected by elections, unaffected by which of the duopoly parties happens to occupy more seats. The agenda of the Deep State is the agenda for the USA, INC. that is controlled by the Deep State. Some variation of the "shadow government/deep state" has been in operation since literally the beginning of the USA, with Freemasonry. In my estimation they grew in power until sometime in the 1970s, when the deep state gained full control of the US government. Although many observers over the decades since the 1970s have expressed that US citizens have no control whatsoever over the (deep state) agenda presented as the US government agenda, the "Princeton Study" laid it out in black and white: US citizen opinion has zero effect on US domestic and foreign policy. Zero. I don't pretend to know jack about the effect of voting in the UK, though I'd bet a few shillings that it also has no effect on government policy.

The US government is a two-headed hydra, but the hydra is simply a facade for the unelected government, the Deep State. Telling people to vote for one of those duopoly political parties (or actually to participate at all in a fully duopoly-rigged faux election system) to change or even affect policy, is either insane*, ignorant, or disingenuous.

*(Einstein's definition of insanity)

[Daozen]

I wonder; is being caught up debunking Q any healthier than being caught up believing him?

[TargeT]

I wonder; is being caught up debunking Q any healthier than being caught up believing him?


Is any obsession positive?

Moderation......... always? (yes...)



It has always concerned me, and still does, that Trump brought Guliani on board.

But what entry fee does one pay to play at those levels.... I dunno, I've played a round or two of politics and found it extremely distastful, and extremely multi layered (multi-interest).

A lot of the time it seems like a personal power play at the MANY levels that lead up to even state government, much less federal.... I think there is a system in place that is silently agreed to by the majority of the players; and that system has nothing to do with representing the population, or the state at a federal level (the 10th amendment is very very important)... we are so far gone from our actual republic that it is no wonder that chaos reins supreme.

good times, eh?

[Jayke]

I was only as condescending as you are to others, Dennis!


The 'q' psyop 'typists' (if those who are researching are called "autists', let's call the psyop boys 'typists'), have gone from pseudo-intriguing clues and "the Socratic method" to just flat out GOP Republican Party cheerleading and demonizing the opposition duopoly party.






"Planned Parenthood
https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-204R
$1.5 billion provided in taxpayer funding over 3-year period.
[Case 1]
PP spent $30 million [disclosed - real estimates close to $65 million] in taxpayer subsidies to influence the outcome of the 2018 midterm elections.
[Conclusion]
Should it be legal for a taxpayer [D+R+I] funded organization to donate massive amounts of money to the D party in an effort to sway an election?
D_insider_term: T_WASH
Re_read drops re: Soros & taxpayer funding
YOUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.
VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!
Q"rudy guiliani was involved in 9/11 as a co-conspirator and member of the cover-up team. (He can now sue me for libel, if I am wrong, but I'm not.) 9/11 was done by the deep state (and Mossad, or maybe more realistically, the Mossad is an integral part of the deep state.) So, a deep state operative is trump's counsel. trump, as you remember, famously said (in campaigning) he was going to solve 9/11. Who else on 9/11/2001 was obviously deep state and involved? Lots and lots of republicans, that's who. I guess that everyone now that points their spears at the democrats as the seat of the deep state has sort of forgotten that it was 100% deep state republicans in charge on 9/11.


Allow me to repeat that: it was 100% deep state republicans in charge on 9/11.

So, autists, how in the hell can you conclude that republicans are the good guys? Do you now somehow really believe that all of the republicans that orchestrated 9/11 and were/are obviously deep state are washed clean of their sins, and that now, the deep state is democrats? Seriously? Or maybe I should use the Socratic method: Do you realize that the USA, INC. deep state is 100% composed of people that are politically democrats and republicans, and that voting for democrats and republicans is not going to change the agenda of the deep state?

If you didn't like my answers to your questions, then maybe the Socratic method doesn't fit your rhetorical style. You chose to ignore the fact that two deep state players, Pompeo and James Mattis are making declarations that they intend to bring the Yemen genocide to a close, and then you chose to troll me by saying my answers to your questions were a strawman (when in fact your accusation of a strawman is a strawman in itself, much like your other condescending attempts to dodge any real world practicalities that contradict your WAR. INC narrative) :facepalm:

So, you can play the victim all you want, but that doesn't distract me from recognising that your opinions are 17 years out of date. The world changes, sands shift, things evolve, the universe is dynamic, not static. Invoking 9/11 to try and trash any deep state manouvering Trump may have been doing these past couple years is juvenile at best.

You've gotten so wrapped up in this endless war bubble that you've missed key--and pivotally important developments--such as this one for example:

https://media.defense.gov/2018/Oct/05/2002048904/-1/-1/1/ASSESSING-AND-STRENGTHENING-THE-MANUFACTURING-AND%20DEFENSE-INDUSTRIAL-BASE-AND-SUPPLY-CHAIN-RESILIENCY.PDF

The following article is based on the above Department of Defense report:

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http://thesaker.is/the-pentagon-realised-what-it-has-done-the-chinese-put-the-us-army-on-its-knees/




The Pentagon Realised What It Has Done – the Chinese Put the US Army on Its Knees

By Ivan Danilov
Translated by Ollie Richardson & Angelina Siard
cross posted with http://www.stalkerzone.org/ivan-danilov-the-pentagon-realised-what-it-has-done-the-chinese-put-the-us-army-on-its-knees/
source: https://ria.ru/analytics/20181104/1532106144.html

In the system of national defense of the US a gaping vulnerability was found that is very difficult to close. The reaction of the Pentagon is reminiscent of badly hidden panic, and journalists who examined the results of the research of American experts, who thoroughly studied the condition of the American army and defensive industry, admit that there is iron logic in the recent “strange” actions of president Trump — he wants to save America from transforming into a cardboard tiger with paper claws.

The essence of the problem, according to the retelling of the columnist of the Reuters agency Andy Home, who obtained a copy of the September report of the US Department of Defence on the situation concerning key deliveries necessary for the American army, is reduced to one important figure. More than 300 (!) key elements necessary for the normal functioning of the US Armed Forces and defensive industry are under threat: American producers are either on the verge of bankruptcy or were already replaced by suppliers from China or other countries because of the deindustrialisation of national economy and the relocation of production to the countries of Southeast Asia.

Mr. Home gives as a striking and clear example the amusing (of course, if you are not a US military man) fact from the report: it turns out that the last American producer of the synthetic threads necessary for the production of army tents “died” quite recently. This means that in the event that the US will fall under such a “textile embargo”, for some American soldiers they will seriously face the prospect of sleeping in the open-air. It is difficult not to notice that such a prospect looks slightly humiliating for an army that claims to be the most hi-tech on the planet.

The situation could be considered as funny if it didn’t affect such a wide range of requirements of the American army and military-industrial complex. In the declassified part of the research of the American Department of Defence it is mentioned that in the US there are difficulties with future deliveries of the power switches that nearly all American missiles are equipped with. As officials of the Pentagon report, the producer of these switches was closed down, but the highest military ranks learned about it only after it became clear that the power switches ended. And there is nowhere to take new ones from, because the producer disappeared into thin air a whole 2 years ago. One more striking example: the country’s only producer of solid rocket motors for “air-to-air” missiles, as the American officials write, “encountered technical production issues”, the reasons for which couldn’t be found even after government and military experts were involved. Attempts to restart production failed, and the Pentagon was obliged to employ a Norwegian company to ensure uninterrupted deliveries. Obviously, this indicates a certain technical degradation of the entire American system, because only the loss of some key competencies can explain a situation in which production cannot be restored and the problem cannot even be determined.

Whilst becoming acquainted with the complaints of the leadership of the American army it is difficult to rid oneself of the impression that it isn’t a document of the US Department of Defence dated September, 2018 that is in front of your eyes, but a description of the problems of the Russian army from the era of the dashing 90’s. Literally there is no direction in which there would be no serious or very serious problems, and often they even can’t be solved at the expense of the bottomless military budget.

In the section on nuclear weapon problems the Pentagon complains that in the US there isn’t the necessary number of engineers and technicians who would have the corresponding education, training, and US citizenship that are necessary for working with army nuclear objects. The mention of nationality is of importance, because American higher education institutions produce enough engineers, physicists, and representatives of other technical specialties and exact sciences, however a disproportionately large number of these graduates are foreigners, most often from the People’s Republic of China.

Americans can’t find not only the necessary engineers, but also the necessary microelectronics for nuclear weapons. And they complain that they no longer have the right to trust suppliers of electronic components – after all, “the supply chain is globalised”. In translation from American bureaucratese into colloquial Russian it means: “the microelectronics for our nuclear missiles are made in China, and we don’t know what the Chinese have stuffed in it”. There are serious difficulties even concerning issues that should be solved very easily in the conditions of hi-tech American economy. For example, the Pentagon complains about a lack of tools for the development of software, as well as the management of data and production, that could be trusted. The situation is exacerbated by “poor cybersecurity practices by many key software vendors”. This, when translated from American bureaucratese into colloquial Russian, means: “concerning cybersecurity, our vendors are so bad that we don’t know what the Chinese and Russian hackers cram into the software that our military use”.

Main conclusion of the report: “China represents a significant and growing risk to the supply of materials deemed strategic and critical to U.S. national security. <…> Areas of concern to America’s manufacturing and defense industrial base include a growing number of both widely used and specialized metals, alloys and other materials, including rare earths and permanent magnets”. In general everything is bad, starting with aluminium and ending with cybersecurity, from power switches for missiles to engineers and drill operators, and from computer numerical control machines to synthetic fabric for military tents. The greed of American business, the ideology of globalisation, and the iron belief that history, as Fukuyama predicted, is about to end collectively caused such damage to the defense capability of the US that the geopolitical opponents couldn’t even dream of. It is precisely by understanding this fact that explains Donald Trump’s attempts to carry out the reindustrialisation of America almost by force.

However, there is every reason to believe that, taking into account the present economic difficulties, it’s unlikely that Trump’s administration will be able to fix what its predecessors broke 20 years. And we [Russians – ed] and our Chinese partners need, on the one hand, not to repeat the mistakes of Americans, and on the other hand — to make the most of these mistakes. Judging by what is happening now on the world stage, this is exactly what Moscow and Beijing are doing.
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I'm sure this means nothing to you, Dennis, but it's what Joseph Farrell has been warning about for years. The outsourcing of Americas military-industrial base to China, means that it doesn't matter how much money the US sinks into war, the parts and components required to perpetuate war are deteriorating to the point of uselessness. Which means war operations are going to have to be scaled back until a new industrial base is established back on American shores, by which time, both Russia and China will have surpassed them in terms of military strength and global influence.

There's nothing wrong with being a canary in a coal mine, its an important job that keeps people safe. I'd just ask that you don't shout 'Danger, Danger' every time one of the miners lets off a bit of gas. The boy that cried wolf is a parable proud alarmists might want to consider always keeping in mind.

[Dennis Leahy]

I wonder; is being caught up debunking Q any healthier than being caught up believing him?
I actually don't qualify as "being caught up" debunking q. I have read probably 0.1% of the clues q has dangled, have never been to the sites where it comes from, have never watched a video about it...

On the contrary, a light glance into what I have seen and noted makes it quite obvious that q is a republican, a trump supporter, a sessions supporter, a guilani supporter... and above all I easily saw the elephant in the room - that q is echoing netanyahu and the zionists plans (since at least 2001, when ret. Gen. Wesley Clark outed the deep state plan) to "regime change" Iran. hillary and obama took care of Libya, and by clinton emails we see that hillary literally outed that destroying Syria was for israel.

You really don't need to wade too deeply into q waters to find the evidence of what q is and isn't.

Unlike "debunking" someone like corey goode, which has no underpinnings of genocidal and imperialist takeovers of nations and the death of millions of innocent people, exposing q as a partisan dumbass that is indoctrinating followers into the Deep State plans for the Middle East takeover, "ending with Iran", actually is a worthy cause.

[Daozen]

My musings about being caught up were as much for myself as anyone else. The point is, Dennis, the Q followers ain't listening. Any good points you make will get lost in the wall of double-talk and disinfo. So why bother? At least, in this thread. The whole thing's a big, black tar baby. Like the ones Br'er Rabbit used to fight. Writings about the USA INC war machine are best off in a separate thread, untainted by this macabre merry-go-round.

Anyway, each to his own...

Over and probably Out.

[Dennis Leahy]

...
So, you can play the victim all you want, but that doesn't distract me from recognising that your opinions are 17 years out of date. ...

There's nothing wrong with being a canary in a coal mine, its an important job that keeps people safe. I'd just ask that you don't shout 'Danger, Danger' every time one of the miners lets off a bit of gas. The boy that cried wolf is a parable proud alarmists might want to consider always keeping in mind.

Hey Jayke,

Ever since your creative interpretation of the "regime change Iran" q drop, I really place zero credence in your discernment or opinions, especially of me.




"q said":
Free Iran!!!
Fight
Fight
Fight
Regime change.
People have the power.
We stand with you.
Q.

I guess those words have different connotations to different generations. My generation didn’t have as an extensive commie-vision indoctrination that the senior generation has had to shake off.

My interpretation of the Q-post above, which I assumed to be self-evident given the context of the Q-drops:

Free Iran!!! (Keep Iran free from the Ziocons who want to initiate a pretext for regime change in Iran)
Fight, fight, fight (resist)
Regime change (resist the nonsense propoganda pushed by the mainstream media who are advocating regime change in Iran)
People have power (truth is more powerful than than the lies fed by mainstream media)
We stand with you (we stand with truth)

From my perspective, you’ve got to have had some extensive communist indoctrination to interpret that as a call to arms, or a call for actively pursuing regime change in Iran :facepalm:

...

Again, your interpretation, in red, of q's call for regime change in Iran:

"Regime change (resist the nonsense propoganda pushed by the mainstream media who are advocating regime change in Iran)"

isn't just bafflingly nonsensical, it underscores a complete lack of discernment and displays cult-like propensity to try to 'spin' the cult leader's direct and easy to understand malevolent words into benign words. So, really, I am not interested in hearing your uninformed opinions and snotty jabs at my character. This isn't secret space programs and lunar bases, it is a guy calling for "regime change" in Iran, a euphemism for a complete takeover of a sovereign nation and murdering millions of people. It's not a game. You are helping this "q" asshole get Iranian citizens killed, and helping to push the zionist agenda. Stop trolling me, immediately, or I'll petition that you be unsubscribed from this forum.

[Jayke]

Regime Change isn’t going to happen in Iran. The sanctions aren’t going to have a detrimental effect, despite how much you seem to be salivating for it to happen, Dennis.

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https://journal-neo.org/2018/10/23/the-eu-russia-china-plan-to-avert-iran-oil-sanctions/





The EU Russia China Plan to Avert Iran Oil Sanctions

It may well be that the unilateral wrecking ball politics of the Trump Administration are bringing about a result just opposite from that intended. Washington’s decision to abandon the Iran nuclear agreement and impose severe sanctions on companies trading Iran oil as of 4 November, is creating new channels of cooperation between the EU, Russia, China and Iran and potentially others. The recent declaration by Brussels officials of creation of an unspecified Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) to legally avoid US dollar oil trade and thereby US sanctions, might potentially spell the beginning of the end of the Dollar System domination of the world economy.

According to reports from the last bilateral German-Iran talks in Teheran on October 17, the mechanisms of a so-called Special Purpose Vehicle that would allow Iran to continue to earn from its oil exports, will begin implementation in the next days. At end of September EU Foreign Policy chief Federica Mogherini confirmed plans to create such an independent trade channel, noting, “no sovereign country or organization can accept that somebody else decides with whom you are allowed to do trade with.”

The SPV plan is reportedly modelled on the Soviet barter system used during the cold war to avert US trade sanctions, where Iran oil would be in some manner exchanged for goods without money. The SPV agreement would reportedly involve the European Union, Iran, China and Russia.

According to various reports out of the EU the new SPV plan involves a sophisticated barter system that can avoid US Treasury sanctions. As an example, Iran could ship crude oil to a French firm, accrue credit via the SPV, much like a bank. That could then be used to pay an Italian manufacturer for goods shipped the other way, without any funds traversing through Iranian hands or the normal banking system.A multinational European state-backed financial intermediary would be set up to handle deals with companies interested in Iran transactions and with Iranian counter-parties. Any transactions would not be transparent to the US, and would involve euros and sterling rather than dollars.

It’s an extraordinary response to what Washington has called a policy of all-out financial war against Iran, that includes threats to sanction European central banks and the Brussels-based SWIFT interbank payments network if they maintain ties to Iran after November 4. In the post-1945 relations between Western Europe and Washington such aggressive measures have not been seen before.It’s forcing some major rethinking from leading EU policy circles.

New Banking Architecture

The background to the mysterious initiative was presented in June in a report titled,Europe, Iran and Economic Sovereignty: New Banking Architecture in Response to US Sanctions. The report was authored by Iranian economist Esfandyar Batmanghelidj and Axel Hellman, a Policy Fellow at the European Leadership Network (ELN), a London-based policy think tank.

The report proposes its new architecture should have two key elements. First it will be based on “gateway banks” designated to act as intermediaries between Iranian and EU commercial banks tied to the Special Purpose Vehicle. The second element is that it would be overseen by an EU-Office of Foreign Asset Controls or EU-OFAC, modeled on the same at the US Treasury, but used for facilitating legal EU-Iran trade, not for blocking it. Their proposed EU-OFAC among other functions would undertake creating certification mechanisms for due diligence on the companies doing such trade and “strengthen EU legal protections for entities engaged in Iran trade and investment.”

The SPV reportedly is based on this plan using designated Gateway Banks, banks in the EU unaffected by Washington “secondary sanctions,” as they do not do business in the US and focus on business with Iran. They might include select state-owned German Landesbanks, certain Swiss private banks such as the Europäisch-Iranische Handelsbank (EIH), a European bank established specifically to engage in trade finance with Iran. In addition, select Iran banks with offices in the EU could be brought in.

Whatever the final result, it is clear that the bellicose actions of the Trump Administration against trade with Iran is forcing major countries into cooperation that ultimately could spell the demise of the dollar hegemony that has allowed a debt-bloated US Government to finance a de facto global tyranny at the expense of others.

EU-Russia-China…

During the recent UN General Assembly in New York, Federica Mogherini said the SPV was designed to facilitate payments related to Iran’s exports – including oil –so long as the firms involved were carrying out legitimate business under EU law. China and Russia are also involved in the SPV. Potentially Turkey, India and other countries could later join.

Immediately, as expected, Washington has reacted. At the UN US Secretary of State and former CIA head Mike Pompeo declared to an Iran opposition meeting that he was “disturbed and indeed deeply disappointed” by the EU plan. Notably he said ““This is one of the of the most counterproductive measures imaginable for regional and global peace and security.” Presumably the Washington plan for economic war against Iranis designed to foster regional and global peace and security?

Non-US SWIFT?

One of the most brutal weapons in the US Treasury financial warfare battery is the ability to force the Brussels-based SWIFT private interbank clearing system to cut Iran off from using it. That was done with devastating effect in 2012 when Washington pressured the EU to get SWIFT compliance, a grave precedent that sent alarm bells off around the world.

The fact that the US dollar remains the overwhelming dominant currency for international trade and financial transactions gives Washington extraordinary power over banks and companies in the rest of the world. That’s the financial equivalent of a neutron bomb. That might be about to change, though it’s by no means a done deal yet.

In 2015 China unveiled its CIPS or China International Payments System. CIPS was originally viewed as a future China-based alternative to SWIFT. It would offer clearing and settlement services for its participants in cross-border RMB payments and trade. Unfortunately, a Chinese stock market crisis forced Beijing to downscale their plans, though a skeleton of infrastructure is there.

In another area, since late 2017 Russia and China have discussed possible linking their bilateral payments systems bypassing the dollar. China’s Unionpay system and Russia’s domestic payment system, known as Karta Mir, would be linked directly.

More recently leading EU policy circles have echoed such ideas, unprecedented in the post-1944 era. In August, referring to the unilateral US actions to block oil and other trade with Iran, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas told Handelsblatt, a leading German business daily, “Europe should not allow the U.S. to act over our heads and at our expense. For that reason, it’s essential that we strengthen European autonomy by establishing payment channels that are independent of the US, creating a European Monetary Fund and building up an independent SWIFT system.”

A Crack in the Dollar Edifice

How far the EU is willing to defy Washington on the issue of trade with Iran is not yet clear. Most probably Washington via NSA and other means can uncover the trades of the EU-Iran-Russia-China SPV.

In addition to the recent statements from the German Foreign Minister, France is discussing expanding the Iran SPV to create a means of insulating the EU economies from illegal extraterritorial sanctions like the secondary sanctions that punish EU companies doing business in Iran by preventing them from using the dollar or doing business in the USA. French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Agnes Von der Muhll, stated that in addition to enabling companies to continue to trade with Iran, that the SPV would, “create an economic sovereignty tool for the European Union beyond this one case. It is therefore a long-term plan that will protect European companies in the future from the effect of illegal extraterritorial sanctions.”

If this will be the case with the emerging EU Special Purpose Vehicle, it will create a gaping crack in the dollar edifice. Referring to the SPV and its implications, Jarrett Blanc, former Obama State Department official involved in negotiating the Iran nuclear agreement noted that, “The payment mechanism move opens the door to a longer-term degradation of US sanctions power.”

At present the EU has displayed effusive rhetoric and loud grumbling against unilateral US economic warfare and extraterritorial imposition of sanctions such as those against Russia. Their resolve to potently move to create a genuine alternative to date has been absent. So too is the case so far in other respects for China and Russia. Will the incredibly crass US sanctions war on Iran finally spell the beginning of the end of the dollar domination of the world economy it has held since Bretton Woods in 1945?

My own feeling is that unless the SPV in whatever form utilizes the remarkable technological advantages of certain of the blockchain or ledger technologies similar to the US-based XRP or Ripple, that would enable routing payments across borders in a secure and almost instantaneous way globally, it won’t amount to much. It’s not that European IT programmers lack the expertise to develop such, and certainly not the Russians. After all one of the leading blockchain companies was created by a Russian-born Canadian named Vitalik Buterin. The Russian Duma is working on new legislation regarding digital currencies, though the Bank of Russia still seems staunchly opposed. The Peoples’ Bank of China is rapidly developing and testing a national cryptocurrency, ChinaCoin. Blockchain technologies are widely misunderstood, even in government circles such as the Russian Central Bank that ought to see it is far more than a new “South Sea bubble.” The ability of a state-supervised payments system to move value across borders, totally encrypted and secure is the only plausible short-term answer to unilateral sanctions and financial wars until a more civilized order among nations is possible.

F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”

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So, it’s ok for you to troll me, but when I reflect your behaviour back to you, you threaten to petition for me to be unsubscribed? Like that isn’t the behaviour of a tyrant!

Keep chirping, Dennis.

You’ve offered no substantive evidence in this discussion other than your own hot air opinions. Forgive me for not bowing down to your underwhelming threats.

[onawah]

They definitely aren't listening, and won't be until the whole edifice comes crashing down, but I think it is wiser not to give them total free and unchecked rein, otherwise the forum may fill up again with Q propaganda to the point where there are so few worthwhile discussions ongoing on the forum, it's hardly even worth a visit.

My musings about being caught up were as much for myself as anyone else. The point is, Dennis, the Q followers ain't listening. Any good points you make will get lost in the wall of double-talk and disinfo. So why bother? At least, in this thread. The whole thing's a big, black tar baby. Like the ones Br'er Rabbit used to fight. Writings about the USA INC war machine are best off in a separate thread, untainted by this macabre merry-go-round.

Anyway, each to his own...

Over and probably Out.

[ThePythonicCow]

They definitely aren't listening, and won't be until the whole edifice comes crashing down ...
My guess, onawah, is that the whole edifice (well, major visible portions thereof) will come crashing down ... and that a hundred years from now a few of our more conspiracy minded grandchildren and great grandchildren will still be acrimoniously debating in increasingly obscure corners of whatever passes for the "Web" at that time, as to what really happened.

:).

[onawah]

:facepalm: Oh, Lord, let's hope upcoming generations will get enough DNA upgrades that they will be making use of their time and energy much more wisely!


They definitely aren't listening, and won't be until the whole edifice comes crashing down ...
My guess, onawah, is that the whole edifice (well, major visible portions thereof) will come crashing down ... and that a hundred years from now a few of our more conspiracy minded grandchildren and great grandchildren will still be acrimoniously debating in increasingly obscure corners of whatever passes for the "Web" at that time, as to what really happened.

:).

[ThePythonicCow]

:facepalm: Oh, Lord, let's hope upcoming generations will get enough DNA upgrades that they will be making use of their time and energy much more wisely!
Indeed !!

[onawah]

Q AND THE FINE ART OF THE SH!T POST
17 hours ago 1/15/19
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/q-and-the-fine-art-of-the-sht-post/
"Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and Superman are not real…and John F Kennedy Jr is not alive after all. Many are angry and shooting the messenger, not because they were lied to but because they prefer that the “lie” be true.

In what could go down in history as a landmark case study on the collision of 21st century social engineering, with Hope Porn, wishful thinking and the mythopoetic structures of the mind, the jig is finally up on QAnon. Or so say two men claiming to be among the original creators of QAnon, Defango and Dreamcatcher. Jason Bermas of WeAreChange is joined by these two, who take us into the world of trolldom and gamer/hacker culture that lives in online forums like Reddit, 4Chan, 8Chan, Discord, etc.

They say no one ever expected it to last as long as it did or to take on a life of its own the way that it did.

Defango aka Manuel Chavez is a self-described “mind-hacker” who says he had an idea to do a social engineering experiment, the main intent of which was to determine who is for real in the Alternative Media; to see who is in it for the money and who is in it for the truth. The only way he saw to do it was to be in control of something from the beginning and then to watch what happened.

If you’ve been watching Defango, he has been broadcasting his role for some time but because he is such a complete troll, nobody believed him! Many still don’t.

Dreamcatcher aka James Brower is a self-described “**** Lord”, a veritable master in the fine art of **** Posting on the image boards. He was a disgruntled Obama voter, drawn to the 2016 presidential campaign and ended up doing social media work as a low-level Trump campaign volunteer.

In the Fall of 2017, Dreamcatcher teamed up with Defango and together with some friends from the Cicada 3301 puzzle site, they hatched their little moonbaby into the Interwebz, where it transformed into a LARP* – or as Jason Bermas calls it, “A ****-posting hoaxverse.”

On October 29th, 2017, the QAnon LARP escaped from the proverbial lab when Defango leaked the “Tripcode” (i.e., the password for the QAnon account in 4Chan) in a YouTube video. QAnon was then moved by users who were not involved with its foundation to 8Chan. He says that almost immediately, “The Jerome Corsis of the world” began promoting it and QAnon metastasized into the cottage industry that it has since become.

Creators in the Alt Media space who endorsed QAnon attracted massive amounts of new followers and traffic, which generated ad revenue, the sale of “Q-Drop” cellphone apps, mugs, T-shirts and other swag.

Prominent QAnon proponents included David Wilcock, Jerome Corsi, Jordan Sather, SGTReport, Tracy Beanz, Praying Medic and X22 Report, who in the eyes of Defango have been left with their “pants pulled down” – to the degree to which they’ve hitched their credibility to the QAnon LARP.

Defango and Dreamcatcher don’t like that people may have been taken advantage of by what they call the “grifters” but Defango repeats that the intent of the project was to reveal the intent of those who got involved and the only way to do that was to let them do what they did.

Bermas asks them to reflect on the LARP and whether they have any regrets. Dreamcatcher says, “You never regret a **** post because you had the intent of it being a **** post…but I do think we can learn a lot from this.”

He goes on to say that if we had a government that was more transparent, something like this would not have happened. People gravitated toward QAnon because they don’t trust their media and they don’t trust their government. He says that if you really, truly care and if you want something to change, you can’t do it by just sitting behind a keyboard. You have to get off the online forums and get involved in grassroots political action.

Defango also has “No regrets.” He says this was meant to be a direct teaching episode on how to use the Internet and that the next step is to learn how to use discernment. The LARP wasn’t done with malice, it was a lesson of survival in the high tech theater of nonstop information warfare. That’s an admirable message from a legendary troll.

For whatever it’s worth, I have two ex-military sources who tell me that it’s not a total hoax, as suggested in this video (a third such sources says it *is* a hoax). One tells me, “It started as a military intelligence op and then morphed into the more rah-rah Trump insider thing.” This observation doesn’t rule out Defango’s initial involvement, as the Cicada site is (or was) a recruitment tool of military intelligence. In another podcast on his own channel, Defango said that Mainstream News reporters were now all over him, trying to find a way to blame the LARP on President Trump or to suggest that Trump was somehow behind it, which Defango categorically denies.
The QAnon movement has been out of the hands of these purported originators for over a year, indeed for the majority of its existence. It will be interesting to see how Q’s major proponents react to this “reveal”, if at all. The question remains who is posting as Q now?

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*LARP is the acronym for Live-Action Role Play, a hobby that emerged in the late 20th century with the board game, Dungeons and Dragons."

Pulse Change
Streamed live 20 hours ago 1/14/19
Jason joins us live with Q, find out how the hoax began from the team itself.cKVH3avGwDI

[norman]

That above post definitely belongs in the anti-Q thread, with all the other "Q is outed as a faker" stuff.

[onawah]

It's fine with me if the Mods want to move it. I just thought it would be something Q fans would want to be aware of, since Alexandra Bruce usually shares good info, not fake news.

That above post definitely belongs in the anti-Q thread, with all the other "Q is outed as a faker" stuff.

[ThePythonicCow]

Q AND THE FINE ART OF THE SH!T POST
17 hours ago 1/15/19
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/q-and-the-fine-art-of-the-sht-post/
"Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and Superman are not real…and John F Kennedy Jr is not alive after all. Many are angry and shooting the messenger, not because they were lied to but because they prefer that the “lie” be true.

In what could go down in history as a landmark case study on the collision of 21st century social engineering, with Hope Porn, wishful thinking and the mythopoetic structures of the mind, the jig is finally up on QAnon. Or so say two men claiming to be among the original creators of QAnon, Defango and Dreamcatcher. Jason Bermas of WeAreChange is joined by these two, who take us into the world of trolldom and gamer/hacker culture that lives in online forums like Reddit, 4Chan, 8Chan, Discord, etc.
...
Streamed live 20 hours ago 1/14/19
Jason joins us live with Q, find out how the hoax began from the team itself.


That above post definitely belongs in the anti-Q thread, with all the other "Q is outed as a faker" stuff.


It's fine with me if the Mods want to move it. I just thought it would be something Q fans would want to be aware of, since Alexandra Bruce usually shares good info, not fake news.

That above post definitely belongs in the anti-Q thread, with all the other "Q is outed as a faker" stuff.

I only listened to the first 33 minutes of the above 66 (or so) minute video, while making supper, so I may have missed something.

But I heard nothing whatsoever about American politics, Trump, Obama, or any of the other real topics that Q touches on. I was listening in particular for some mention of current events that would let me guess when this "interview" was actually recorded. I heard nothing of the sort.

This was just some hacker wannabe's sounding impressive, and apparently is just recycled B.S. of the sort that started this "Q REVEALED" thread, five months ago, involving Dreamcatcher, Defango and Microchip, whoever they are.

Alexandria Bruce may have her good work (though I've stopped listening to her myself), but I don't think her calling out this video is one of her successes.

I moved the above three posts from the main Q thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters), to here, where they seemed to be a better fit.

[onawah]

I deleted the contents of that post with an apology. I thought it was current, but it was dated, apparently.


Alexandria Bruce may have her good work (though I've stopped listening to her myself), but I don't think her calling out this video is one of her successes.

I moved the above three posts from the main Q thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters), to here, where they seemed to be a better fit.




Mod note from Bill: I restored the post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1269760&viewfull=1#post1269760), as now it's on this thread I do think it belongs here for the record, dated or not. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Removing the content of this post. I thought it was recent info but turns out it was dated. Apologies.


That above post definitely belongs in the anti-Q thread, with all the other "Q is outed as a faker" stuff.


It's fine with me if the Mods want to move it. I just thought it would be something Q fans would want to be aware of, since Alexandra Bruce usually shares good info, not fake news.

That above post definitely belongs in the anti-Q thread, with all the other "Q is outed as a faker" stuff.


I deleted the contents of that post with an apology. I thought it was current, but it was dated, apparently.


Alexandria Bruce may have her good work (though I've stopped listening to her myself), but I don't think her calling out this video is one of her successes.

I moved the above three posts from the main Q thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters), to here, where they seemed to be a better fit.

Aha - OK :)

For the historical record, here's the Youtube that was behind the controversies of the last few posts above: cKVH3avGwDI

[Bill Ryan]

I copied this from the QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister) thread, because one section of it (edited to be shown below) is relevant here. The entire article is on my original post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1275372&viewfull=1#post1275372).

~~~

Posted today, a major article. (And an interesting one, too)


http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/unraveling-q-qanon-hoax

Unraveling the QAnon Hoax

[ ... ]

Jason Bermas’ Interview with Defango and Dreamcatcher

In this January 2019 interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVH3avGwDI), Jason Bermas (producer of documentaries such as Fabled Enemies) interviews 2 men who go by “Defango” and “Dreamcatcher.” They claim they started Q as a LARP (Live Action Role Playing) game which sprung from Cicada 3301, a group that constructs very difficult-to-solve puzzles.

Dreamcatcher admits that, at the start, he was “****posting” just to see what would stick and, to his surprise, the QAnon phenomenon took off like no other LARP before it had. Both Defango and Dreamcatcher refer to another person who posted as Q known as “Microchip” who they say took trips to Israel. They speculate that he may be connected with the notorious Israeli spy agency, the Mossad.

[ ... long and interesting article continues here (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/unraveling-q-qanon-hoax) ... ]

[Bill Ryan]

Jason Bermas’ Interview with Defango and Dreamcatcher

In this January 2019 interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVH3avGwDI), Jason Bermas (producer of documentaries such as Fabled Enemies) interviews 2 men who go by “Defango” and “Dreamcatcher.” They claim they started Q as a LARP (Live Action Role Playing) game which sprung from Cicada 3301, a group that constructs very difficult-to-solve puzzles.

Dreamcatcher admits that, at the start, he was “****posting” just to see what would stick and, to his surprise, the QAnon phenomenon took off like no other LARP before it had. Both Defango and Dreamcatcher refer to another person who posted as Q known as “Microchip” who they say took trips to Israel. They speculate that he may be connected with the notorious Israeli spy agency, the Mossad.

[ ... long and interesting article continues here (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/unraveling-q-qanon-hoax) ... ]

Here's the interview:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVH3avGwDI

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's the interview:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVH3avGwDI
My (brief) thoughts on this video were posted above, a few weeks ago, in Post #182 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1269815&viewfull=1#post1269815).

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the interview:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVH3avGwDI
My (brief) thoughts on this video were posted above, a few weeks ago, in Post #182 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1269815&viewfull=1#post1269815).

Thanks! My (very brief) thoughts on this video is that I think the question is now a moot one. In my personal opinion, the game seems to be over.

Defango said he's previously posted a lot of information on his YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPDjx4qeqDCJYvFJP_Ynbhg) (which apparently was largely ignored, dismissed or overlooked, my paraphrase of what he said) and also on his Twitter feed. I'll leave it to others to dig all that out.

[norman]

Bill, do you mean by that, that Q is exposed as this guy having a Larp? or have I missunderstood you.

With Corey Goode, you were something of an expert. With Q, you are a casual look-in who doesn't know the territory very well, evidensed by how you can watch this video and take it seriously. This video cannot and does not fool the informed "annons".

Sticking with the Corey Goode comparison, This guy is like Corey telling us he's the ambassador for the human race.

And anyway, facts or lack of them, at your disposal, simply shut your eyes and "feel" this conversation. The entire energy of it is as fake as a nine bob note.

[Sandy123]

Bill, do you mean by that, that Q is exposed as this guy having a Larp? or have I missunderstood you.

With Corey Goode, you were something of an expert. With Q, you are a casual look-in who doesn't know the territory very well, evidensed by how you can watch this video and take it seriously. This video cannot and does not fool the informed "annons".

Sticking with the Corey Goode comparison, This guy is like Corey telling us he's the ambassador for the human race.

And anyway, facts or lack of them, at your disposal, simply shut your eyes and "feel" this conversation. The entire energy of it is as fake as a nine bob note.
Most important: read their energy, use your intuition. Is it all about building up EGO? You can spot or read most people/situations by looking at how high they are promoting themselves.
On a side note - MSM gives its propaganda every night to make people believe (and I do believe we are the creators). In the same vein, wouldn't Q be sending a nice picture image of people locked up for us to create? Or could be psyop for different reasons to get every one fighting with each other with much passion.
I really do believe we are at a crucial time period, you can feel it. High energy on many levels.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, do you mean by that, that Q is exposed as this guy having a Larp? or have I missunderstood you.

With Corey Goode, you were something of an expert. With Q, you are a casual look-in who doesn't know the territory very well, evidensed by how you can watch this video and take it seriously. This video cannot and does not fool the informed "annons".

Sticking with the Corey Goode comparison, This guy is like Corey telling us he's the ambassador for the human race.

And anyway, facts or lack of them, at your disposal, simply shut your eyes and "feel" this conversation. The entire energy of it is as fake as a nine bob note.

(Translation for North Americans or Australians: a nine bob note = a $3 bill :) )

Thanks, and respect. I'm not going to get into a mudfight over this. :highfive:

Microchip, Dreamcatcher and Defango have all featured between them in previous videos posted on this thread, including screenshots of their text posts to one another, etc etc etc. They can all be found.

I went back to locate them all, but then pulled out of the task as I just don't have the energy or motivation. Folks will, of course, continue to think what they think, at least for quite a while — and that's all cool.

:flower:

[Denise/Dizi]

Thank you to all of those that are tirelessly searching for the TRUTH and sharing what you have found..

Oh boy, I missed this thread entirely.. The implications are profound if you have people claiming the Q Anon, was nothing more than a Larp. Tie that into the Corey Goode fiasco, and Wilcock quoting Q over and over, and the sudden fall of that empire.. all the lawsuits, and I think that this whole Q phenomenon, is all somehow related..

I can't overlook the irony in the time frame with which the whole Goode narrative began to fall apart in 2018, where everyone began attacking the others, and outing them for their role, in some sinister manipulation of the public, then note the dates on all of this.. Was Q in any way related to the whole Goode/Wilcock fiasco? It looks like perhaps it ALL was somehow related..

It makes me wonder if it was all deliberate, Wilcock could rely on the Q "Intel" .. Q began to thrive having him as their public front... All the people that supported Goode almost in a religious cult fashion, willing to dox anyone who found the truth, or wanted to shed light on what was truly going on... almost seems like EXACTLY what happened in the Wilcock/Goode fiasco arena... Did Wilcock help to create Q as his "Source"? I hope that's not what we're seeing here...

I can't help but get an icky feeling about all of it, and somehow that it all ties in together. Or at the very least that parties from each camp saw the upside to using the other for such things. And all those who merely believed it, wanted to be helpful. What a mess...

I don't want to create ties where there are none. But it all seems so coincidental..

[norman]

If we are being taken for fools, we are being taken for fools by someone very close to the President and his intel advisors.

There is no way in hell that some guy on youtube is the real Q.

And for the record, Luke Rudkowski is a Trump hater. He tried quite hard to unhinge the Trump campaign in 2016. He's a real go-to guy for nonsense like this.

[ThePythonicCow]

And for the record, Luke Rudkowski is a Trump hater. He tried quite hard to unhinge the Trump campaign in 2016. He's a real go-to guy for nonsense like this.
Yes, as evidenced by this 2016 post: Genesis of a conspiracy researcher -- Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93059-Genesis-of-a-conspiracy-reasearcher-The-Robots-Rebellion-David-Icke--1994--Excellent-presentation-...&p=1096818&viewfull=1#post1096818).

[mountain_jim]

If we are being taken for fools, we are being taken for fools by someone very close to the President and his intel advisors.

There is no way in hell that some guy on youtube is the real Q.



This is exactly my take, having invested a fair percentage of my 'conspiracy' research time into this over the last 1+ years.

I can only hope that once the CIA / Clinton Foundation / FBI / Justice Department layers of the Deep State gets taken down a peg or 2, that the Bush/Cheney family side of the cabal has not really achieved the bargained-for protection that many suspect they have in all these behind the scene maneuverings, and gets exposed as well. (cough 9/11 cough).

[Philippe]

The techniques of internet communications have brought out countless previously unknown perversities in people . A new disease of civilization (shame on you American techgiants) . If these sick jokers are not the Q they must have known that the real one would continue posting after their public appearance.
Are there new posts of Q since then? :)
What do they think to win with such revelation? Or with telling that their complicit Microchip travels to Israel?
Whatever with this you tube interview these dishonorable foul players (now identified) are certainly trying to take the fooling of people to the next level and to disrupt further at a time that suits their agenda. Disregard as soon as possible.
Looking from France and hoping you continue to expose and derail your deep state.

[Sandy123]

I can't help but get an icky feeling about all of it, and somehow that it all ties in together. Or at the very least that parties from each camp saw the upside to using the other for such things. And all those who merely believed it, wanted to be helpful. What a mess...

I don't want to create ties where there are none. But it all seems so coincidental..

Two hours ago Jordan Sather did a live stream; Washington post interviewed him on "Q". I really don't know why wapo chose Jordan as the spokesperson for Q. Why did comedy central choose him. About 9 months ago Veritas you tube channel they interviewed Robert David Steele who praised Sather. Sather has had quite a few MSM article mentions. I don't know why they promote him as a Q expert as he really doesn't cover Q much at all, a few sentences.
So what is really going on here? Something is very fishy. Same with Corey Goode being invited to Mufon to promote blue chickens early in his career. Who is promoting these folks?

Is the deep state working with the internet (social media) to see how long it takes before a certain percentage of people join in the "show"?

[Philippe]

Q posts
Thursday 2.14.19

On another thread Paul posted references of recent Q drops. I am not familiar with the identification process but it is than an answer to my question above if Q continues posting notwithstanding all the distraction of Q being revealed. These jokers are also amateurs in sabotage.
That does not answer of course if the story of sealed indictments and pending arrestations is true or propaganda. I have often considered Benjamin Fulford newsletters as talented fiction. But I do not brush it off entirely because it shows the real things that need to happen and it has a spiritual dimension to put these ideas out against the evil scenarios. In my opinion.

[Ratszinger]

I do not doubt for one minute that these three gentleman started the Q phenom. However, with that said it does seem readily apparent that the Trump circle has hijacked it for their own purposes because this does appear to be the president himself speaking to us to me. These latest posts are different! They are direct, they are strong, and quite frankly this does not appear to have the same vibe to me in these last few FEB posts as recent past posts. "Two or more authors providing input is my guess" but the last ones here appear to me to be top tier. I don't think it's phony. I think there may be times it was but military intelligence may indeed be using this. I find it interesting that so many are on the fence. I suspect it's like me, safe zone for just in case. I don't want to say I'm sold, but I don't want to discount it either. It does appear more solidly real now to me than before though. AM I THE ONLY PICKING UP A NEW VIBE TO THESE FEB POSTS?

[Chanie]

Two hours ago Jordan Sather did a live stream; Washington post interviewed him on "Q". I really don't know why wapo chose Jordan as the spokesperson for Q. Why did comedy central choose him. About 9 months ago Veritas you tube channel they interviewed Robert David Steele who praised Sather. Sather has had quite a few MSM article mentions. I don't know why they promote him as a Q expert as he really doesn't cover Q much at all, a few sentences.
So what is really going on here? Something is very fishy. Same with Corey Goode being invited to Mufon to promote blue chickens early in his career. Who is promoting these folks?

Is the deep state working with the internet (social media) to see how long it takes before a certain percentage of people join in the "show"? I haven’t been following Sather lately, but he covered Q quite a lot in the early days. At the time, it wasn’t so much original research as a compilation of latest news items. Although I can’t find the Tweet now, Joe M. @StormIsUponUs cautioned Jordan about being used by the Washington Post and looking foolish, but he is now calling him a “brave Patriot” for doing so. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1096329821024448513

I think the average person at a Trump rally wouldn’t have a clue who Corey Goode or David Wilcock are. In that sense, Q and the whole Secret Space thing are two different worlds, but both seem to attract a certain amount of “researchers” who hope to make a financial living from their work. Jordan would fall in this category which is probably why he was willing to talk to the Washington Post. It might get the word about Q out there, but it also helps him spread his “brand” and is a form of self-advertising. The average person is likely unaware of the fact that he “doxxed” other researchers or of the implications of that, but in the Avalon world, it makes him suspect. At the very least, it makes him look young and (dare I suggest?) stupid.

[Chanie]

I do not doubt for one minute that these three gentleman started the Q phenom. However, with that said it does seem readily apparent that the Trump circle has hijacked it for their own purposes because this does appear to be the president himself speaking to us to me. These latest posts are different! They are direct, they are strong, and quite frankly this does not appear to have the same vibe to me in these last few FEB posts as recent past posts. "Two or more authors providing input is my guess" but the last ones here appear to me to be top tier. I don't think it's phony. I think there may be times it was but military intelligence may indeed be using this. I find it interesting that so many are on the fence. I suspect it's like me, safe zone for just in case. I don't want to say I'm sold, but I don't want to discount it either. It does appear more solidly real now to me than before though. AM I THE ONLY PICKING UP A NEW VIBE TO THESE FEB POSTS?

I don’t know about the origin of Q, but the pace does seem to be picking up. A few years ago, we were hearing rumours about the possibility of military intervention, but the worry was that this might lead to a civil war. I know I read that the Chan board which Q uses is now owned by the military or a military supplier so the assumption is that they have control of it. I understand why people might think Q is a LARP, especially if they haven’t been following it from the beginning, but as far as I can tell, it’s being orchestrated by a small handful of people high up in the military/Trump administration. I also understand why people are taking a “wait and see” attitude—sitting on the fence, as you say. No one likes to look gullible or foolish.

[TargeT]

I know I read that the Chan board which Q uses is now owned by the military or a military supplier


8chan is owned (https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/8chan/) by a 53-year-old Army veteran with a pig farm in the Philippines, Jim Watkins sounds like an odd fit to own a site like 8chan, but that’s only until you realize he also controls the controversial and influential Japanese imageboard 2ch.

So definitely not military or military supplier.

[Chanie]

I know I read that the Chan board which Q uses is now owned by the military or a military supplier


8chan is owned (https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/8chan/) by a 53-year-old Army veteran with a pig farm in the Philippines, Jim Watkins sounds like an odd fit to own a site like 8chan, but that’s only until you realize he also controls the controversial and influential Japanese imageboard 2ch.

So definitely not military or military supplier.

Thanks for the clarification. I expect I read something where people speculating about his military background and how it might be connected with Q? It was a while ago now.

[TargeT]

I know I read that the Chan board which Q uses is now owned by the military or a military supplier


8chan is owned (https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/8chan/) by a 53-year-old Army veteran with a pig farm in the Philippines, Jim Watkins sounds like an odd fit to own a site like 8chan, but that’s only until you realize he also controls the controversial and influential Japanese imageboard 2ch.

So definitely not military or military supplier.

Thanks for the clarification. I expect I read something where people speculating about his military background and how it might be connected with Q? It was a while ago now.

If Q or the "Q team" is indeed military (army) intelligence it would make a lot of sense that he/they are working closely with army Vets (more easily trusted).

I think it's a sensible conclusion.

[AutumnW]

Based on Q's support for war and Israel (regardless of moral underpinnings); it's flag waving and patriotic schmaltz of many different flavors, it makes sense that Q is connected to military intelligence. Trump has been helped by the neocon/ hard right faction of the deep state--witness the thought to be extinct neo-cons like Bolton, Pompao burst out of their diorama, reanimated by the whiff of the blood of dying children, exploding body parts.

Or....Q could simply be a lark, a long game, as outlined on another thread here to see how many people would fall for a good story. Either way, Q is not a sincere effort to inform and help the American people, in my estimation. It is a game or a deception. Take your pick.

[Ratszinger]

Based on Q's support for war and Israel (regardless of moral underpinnings); it's flag waving and patriotic schmaltz of many different flavors, it makes sense that Q is connected to military intelligence. Trump has been helped by the neocon/ hard right faction of the deep state--witness the thought to be extinct neo-cons like Bolton, Pompao burst out of their diorama, reanimated by the whiff of the blood of dying children, exploding body parts.

Or....Q could simply be a lark, a long game, as outlined on another thread here to see how many people would fall for a good story. Either way, Q is not a sincere effort to inform and help the American people, in my estimation. It is a game or a deception. Take your pick.


Hitting the nail on the head because as I've said all along there are no white hats. They are all black hats on all sides and this is a gang war on the world stage. Catherine Austin Fitts probably nailed it best, all about the dirty money coming through the "SILK ROAD" of the North American side of the planet, AKA, the southern border. Her best guess is probably closer to truth than anyone's that it's NY gangs, LA gangs and the Bush cartel in panic since "Poppy" died and all three are fighting over who gets to control that dirty money!

[Matthew]

Q has a starring role inspiring #TheGreatAwakening and all sorts of useful movements. The difficult subjects Q shines a light on means Q is one of our best weapons, since shining a light on bad things, on it's own, can sometimes destroy them. Especially if there's a wide audience because awareness is key. That's how I see it, and because of this I support Q. But I do have a very different opinion with some on this forum about Q's origins (I don't believe Q is a security insider, it's my opinion everyone has their own too). Last I read, a few months ago in this forum, sentence analysis on Q posts showed many (something like six) different styles, implying Q had been at least six different people (I suspect groups). If the Q moniker is handed around to who knows what group then the work in this thread, presenting a view of Q's early history, is very useful, even if dormant while Q is really good for the cause, especially the Hollywood side. I'll enjoy Q while it's in the hands of people reporting useful stuff, but don't expect it forever. I bet this post is going to trigger a torrent of people insisting 'Q IS IS IS a security insider!!!11' but I'm just glad to express my opinion too. Thank you!

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Based on Q's support for war and Israel (regardless of moral underpinnings); it's flag waving and patriotic schmaltz of many different flavors, it makes sense that Q is connected to military intelligence. Trump has been helped by the neocon/ hard right faction of the deep state--witness the thought to be extinct neo-cons like Bolton, Pompao burst out of their diorama, reanimated by the whiff of the blood of dying children, exploding body parts.

Two things: Q is not pro-Israel. One post in particular stated that they are saving Israel "for last." So the insinuation is that something is indeed in the pipes, even if at the very end of them.

The other thing is that neo-conservatism is a political ideology, not just a bunch of individuals. Trump also puts a few globalists in his administration, like Gary Cohn and General McMaster. They're put there because they know all the right people and know how to get things done in the system as it exists today. When Trump is done with them, or if they don't do what he wants, he fires them, just like he did Cohn and McMaster and many others already.

I heard that Trump tried to recruit Jesus Christ for Secretary of State, but he was busy. :p


In regards to the title of the thread, how many different groups have "come forward" claiming to be responsible for the Q posts by now? I know this has happened more than once, but I haven't been counting. If I ever need to tap into a large market for some free advertizing, I might make the claim myself one day.

[Matthew]

...
Two things: Q is not pro-Israel. One post in particular stated that they are saving Israel "for last." So the insinuation is that something is indeed in the pipes, even if at the very end of them.
...

Is there just one Q? I thought sentence analysis suggested more than one person/group. There might possibly be more than one source of opinion speaking as Q

[Ratszinger]

Q appears to be pro-red but not Israel to me. I believe Q is at least four individuals with various levels of typing, spelling and grammar skills. Some are more advanced in communication than others but someone is really watching and controlling timing. Watching it is akin to gears falling into place. Click, click, click, its fascinating.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Is there just one Q? I thought sentence analysis suggested more than one person/group. There might possibly be more than one source of opinion speaking as Q

I think it's multiple people too, but in any case, there's only one trip code in use at a time, so it's not like anybody can just post claiming to be Q. Anybody that posts as Q has to know the trip code for verification, and I'm sure there would be some sort of decision-making as far as who says what.

Check out the writing style and previous Air Force One call signs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt07jKZWoAEtQup.jpg

The number you dial for the + symbol on a phone is zero. "Q 0" = "Q+". "Q+" is Trump. Check the writing style of Q+ too. Same.

Related Q drops:

2565:


Scott Free = WWG1WGA
Q 0 = Q+
At what point do they WAKE UP?
Q

3074:


Very SAD to see GERMANY pulling the strings on the UK!
Democracy must and should always prevail.
Q+

2885:


They NEVER thought Crooked Hillary would lose.
SO MANY DISASTROUS MISTAKES MADE.
RETURNING POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Q+

2356:


A GREAT DAY FOR THE RULE OF LAW.
CONGRATULATIONS, JUSTICE K!
THERE IS MUCH WORK TO BE DONE.
TODAY, THE REPUBLIC, TOOK BACK CONTROL.
Q+

Compare those to other Q posts and you'll notice the difference in writing style, and the obvious resemblance to Trump's tweets.

[Matthew]

You need the Q tripcode to post as Q, yes. In this thread a person by the alias Pamphlet is caught on a video live stream using the Q tripcode to post as Q

[A Voice from the Mountains]

You need the Q tripcode to post as Q, yes. In this thread a person by the alias Pamphlet is caught on a video live stream using the Q tripcode to post as Q

Probably because a number of past trip codes have already been figured out and anybody can find them online, including you and I. That's why Q changes trip codes periodically, so that people trying to crack them have to start all over.

What you should really be trying to figure out are things like how so many of Q's drops come within 10 seconds or so of Trump's tweets (sometimes using the exact same key words), or why Trump points specifically at people wearing Q shirts or hats at his recent rallies. There are a lot of other indications besides those, and they have been occurring for months.

I was only skeptical for about two or three months before I saw enough otherwise-unexplainable "coincidences" to conclude that Q really is traveling around with the president, and sometimes is the president. What did it for me was Q dropping pictures from the Asia trip, that didn't exist anywhere else on the Internet, before Trump tweeted the same images in a video compilation. Pictures from aboard AF1 were also posted by Q, that could be found nowhere else online, and that's despite 4chan and 8chan trying to find sources outside of Q drops. That was around November or December of 2017 if I remember correctly, and I stopped keeping track of all the proofs offered after that, because I didn't need them anymore.

Just within the past few weeks, Q dropped that communications would leak in regards to the Jussie Smollett case, as well as some other details that have now been verified through MSM. Why are people who follow Q not running around posting about this verification? Because this stuff has been happening constantly. You are either paying attention or you aren't, and that's pretty much it at this point.

You can browse this website too if you actually have any interest in these things: https://www.qproofs.com/

Military tribunals were also something Q was talking about from the beginning, and since then we've also had references to those from public officials, including Lindsay Graham at Justice Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings. Just watch where all of this goes.

[Matthew]

I can't dismiss Pamphlet being caught on video posting as Q so easily, myself.

But let me talk about the Trump twitter correlation. I thought the timing difference between Trumps tweets and corresponding Q posts was minuets not seconds. Has this timing correlation happened since August last year? This is a straight question, not Socratic method trolling.

The Trump tweet timing correlation with Q posts was dismissed by the whistleblower in the OP because the bakers (aka the alleged team that started Q anon) are said to have used a 3rd party site that sent requests to the twitter back-end API (access to twitter functionality outside twitter.com), which was updated in August 2018. As I understand it the Trump tweet timing correlation with Q posts hasn't happened since then. Please, please, please could you let me know if it has happened since. This would be very much appreciated, thank you! - Matthew

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I can't dismiss Pamphlet being caught on video posting as Q so easily, myself.

Here are the passwords for past Q trip codes that you can go use yourself right now (found them using DuckDuckGo):

Tripcode: ITPb.qbhqo -> Password: Matlock
Tripcode: UW.yye1fxo -> Password: M@tlock!
Tripcode: xowAT4Z3VQ -> Password: Freed@m-
Tripcode: 2jsTvXXmXs -> Password: F!ghtF!g
Tripcode: 4pRcUA0lBE -> Password: NowC@mes
Tripcode: CbboFOtcZs -> Password: StoRMkiL
Tripcode: A6yxsPKia. -> Password: WeAReQ@Q

So you could take those passwords and go use them to create posts on 4chan/8chan yourself, and they will generate the trip codes Q has used in the past. Then you can go make a video and "confess" to being Q!

This is why it's a good idea to change trip codes periodically, because they can be brute-force hacked. All it takes is time. Knowing these passwords doesn't mean whoever is using them created the trips. And there is more than one person/group out there who has "confessed" to being Q, so at least some of them are clearly lying.


But let me talk about the Trump twitter correlation. I thought the timing difference between Trumps tweets and corresponding Q posts was minuets not seconds.

The time differences (called "deltas" after the mathematical variable) vary, but there are in fact many instances of them being seconds, less than one minute. The insinuation has been that they're pressing the "send" buttons simultaneously on Trump's phone and whatever device they are posting on 8chan with. Something about the encryption and the different routes the data takes on Twitter vs. 8chan apparently has something to do with why it's difficult to achieve exact precision (8chan lags terribly as it is on Q-related threads), but they've came within less than a minute of each other many times.

One example:

https://www.qanonposts.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/634a07c79c3a9801b48f6ec1393de6d429032a16e1584c38e7a216098b0ab950.jpg


Has this timing correlation happened since August last year? This is a straight question, not Socratic method trolling.

Yes. Searching Q posts for the word "delta," the most recent post in regards to "0" deltas was in February, 2019 (drop 2774):


Graphic request.
(3) Q/POTUS [0] DELTA
Q

This was posted in response and quoted by Q:

https://qposts.online/assets/images/28f00a9242ecf7246f3e5bf205751ffde2d66defbf572088b243b4708276412e.png

First Q drop: 1:28:46 PM (8chan server)
First Trump tweet: 1:28:57 PM (Twitter server)
Delta: 11 seconds. (Q was first!)

Second Q drop: 1:29:07 PM (8chan server)
Second Trump tweet: 1:29:40 PM (Twitter server)
Delta: 33 seconds. (Q was first.)

I just dug this up from February by searching for "delta," like I said. Q doesn't always use the word "delta" when highlighting this stuff, so there may even be more recent examples. I see references to them frequently but I don't pay much attention to them, because I'm beyond that at this point, and I don't need the additional verification anymore. Some of the early ones even used the same key words.


The Trump tweet timing correlation with Q posts was dismissed by the whistleblower in the OP because the bakers (aka the alleged team that started Q anon) are said to have used a 3rd party site that sent requests to the twitter back-end API (access to twitter functionality outside twitter.com), which was updated in August 2018. As I understand it the Trump tweet timing correlation with Q posts hasn't happened since then. Please, please, please could you let me know if it has happened since. This would be very much appreciated, thank you! - Matthew

That's an awful complicated excuse, huh? Having to send requests, get them back, and THEN submit posts would obviously consume a number of seconds in itself. Not to mention that it's still happening, so the idea of this coming to an end last August is clearly wrong.

Without enough imagination, "coincidences" can be explained away in an infinite variety of ways. The idea that a direct line of communication has been established with the public, incorporating plausible deniability, still best fits all the information I've seen on this so far. Just look at the pictures from the Asia trip. Q posted them before Trump did.

[Matthew]

Good stuff. But when the twitter correlation starts and stops, and starts again is possibly very useful for me who believes Q changed ownership. Earlier Q showed evidence of shifting ownership as catalogued in this thread. Interestingly there are seven tripcodes listed, which is almost the same number of different sentence styles people have noticed. I still believe Q changed ownership/leadership, I doubt I will shift there, however thank you so much for answering, and the new drops with Trump correlation are very useful to know about especially the way I see things atm.. Thank you A Voice from the Mountains

[waves]

I think this thread needs a refreshing and re-orientation.
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"Why don't you "anti- "Q" people start your own thread?????" Ya, this was it, but the Q-Believers instantly swarmed it, either show contempt or keep arguing their defenses of Q. Their thread gets Avalon gatekeeping/removal service for stuff like that and we don't. I recently experienced more wrath for commenting (first time in a year?) on the Q-Believers thread about the implications of an extraneous and petty Q statement with the only purpose being to benefit Medic. I was told...."...Are TWO threads opposing "Q" not big enough for you?..." and got removed.

I don't mind staying here, I just don't get why the Mods refuse to enforce both sides of the boundary, let alone their indifference to their Extreme-Q-Believer Mod as the most disrespectful of the boundary he alone dictates. Aren't people who repeatedly impose their annoying unwelcome counter opinion on people that only they can dominate and censor regarded as hypocrites and fanatics? What's any difference here and why is gatekeeping service only being given to the Believers thread? Hope those Avalon ethics improve from this point on.


THIS THREAD'S EVOLUTION (...that Q has never been a Trump/White House Insider)

The Q saga has evolved since this thread started both in that Q may or may not have innocently started as a lark, but has evolved into a full blown LARP spawning a full blown Cult - fully convinced believers in a doctrine of idealistic politics, hope, a savior, blind belief in his secret messenger and a few earthly spokesmen getting direct confirmations of it all from God in their dreams - the world's oldest con game plus Q.

It's a current technology version being run by history's same species of fake Christian bad actor grifters / criminal shyster charlatans for profit / now with bot net tools and a plethora of internet monetization outlets. A question for later is if these con men really didn't take the $1,000,000+ they were offered (at 4:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVQ3romHtTc) long ago... or from anyone else since.... and became frontmen for some well funded and always lurking social engineers who would benefit greatly by a LARP that makes fools of Christians and kept their enemy corralled and distracted with repeatedly failing false hope. But scam outing first.

Religion shysters like the two below are a dime a dozen on the internet. The ones now wrapping Q around their pitch are even the worst bad actors. It's like the truther community hasn't learned a thing after 30+ years of outing history's liars and posers.

My intention on this Non-Believer thread is to document this absurd saga, not to evangelize, trigger anyone, attack anyone, prove to anyone, change anyone's mind or convince anyone. I hope any further intruder-Believers/Arguers are just as ignored as their slammed door is to us, I'd especially ignore any more apoplectic ranting or demands. It's foolish to argue with fixated minds. All evidence is all findable and I'm happy to let future vindication be the proof over doing anyone's homework for them. Again, this thread is for people who have seen enough to have lost any more need to debate the premise that Q is LARP. It's for documenting the worst failure ever of the truther movement to see a dangerous scam and psyop, a very foreboding failure for the future of ever really being united.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'd really prefer a 4th Q thread but I asked Bill to replace this title's 'Member of Creator Team Confesses..." part with 'Larp and Cult' and got no reply. But after what I'm learning I think it more accurately should be....
Q REVEALED: LARP PSYOP, CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE and CULT

After ignoring Q for months I noticed how chatter among Larp watchers suddenly heated up after the recent Medic/Coalition giveaway and had a thrilled tone of case-closed vindication.

I shared their amazement that people believe a true 'White House insider' would make a petty retaliatory statement that only directly benefitted a pathetic religious grifter and I dared to post it's implications on the 'Believer' thread.... triggering spite, apoplectic wrath and a gatekeeping eviction instead of anyone addressing the issue.

It's very ugly to me that Q believers are behaving exactly like the totally in denial leftists we've all been MSM bombarded with for 3 years now - the hair trigger righteous indignation at any valid challenge to their narrative and then using the media they control to quick eliminate the inconvenient evidence.

After looking further however, I didn't expect to discover how much more devious and immoral the LARP had gotten since I started this thread. I'm appalled at the criminal backgrounds and disingenuous grifting of Coleman Rodgers, Hayes and Nemos and the extremes to which they've glutted the Q narrative with Christianity to help capitalize on their scam. At times their scam seems to have grown out of their league and they're making mistakes and just trying to keep the profits coming in as long as possible. The question remains if they became employees along the way and are not in control of the end game, but no one seems to be editing out occasional stupidity.

The patriot narrative is targeting a lot of vulnerables who really do want the bad guys to go to jail and to change the world for the better - grooming Boomers as citizen journalists and especially targeting the heartstrings of already deeply programmed Christians, elderly rightists or ssdi recipients, many who are inherently trusting good people who fall for shyster after shyster from incurable garden variety religious cognitive dissonance and are at the age of getting a little worried that it won't hurt to buy a few more pearly gate tokens. The elderly are contributing most of the money, the younger are buying the t-shirts and hats.

It's not even debated that the chans have been the darkest, ugliest cesspool of human depravity and criminality on the internet for over a decade and the least likely place a very high ranking government insider would want to represent legitimacy from or the people he'd defer 100% control of his content to!!, let alone where an honest Christian movement would spring from - and that's just 'Q's' broadcasting origin location from day one.

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet the current Q writers, if not paid frontmen (since late '17)- Pam and Medic. They post as Q then publicly 'analyze the comments' after, often with God's direct confirmations:

1 - Pamphlet Anon aka James Coleman Rogers, arrested 16 times, owns all the 8-chan boards Q has hopped and hopped from and posted only on.
2 - Praying Medic aka David Joseph Hayes or David Scott Hayes, let his paramedic license expire years ago, started numerous online pseudo religions, was connected to Bride Ministries and Daniel Duval, 2013 admitted adultery, jailed for domestic violence
? - there may be or have been other writers, particularly Christine Urso - Radix, Pamphlet's wife and 412Anon
Profit Sharing Co-Conspirators, there are numerous others
3. Dustin "We believe in Q, we don't need evidence" Nemos/ convicted heroin trafficker
4. Jordan Sather - groomed controlled opposition/Wilcock protege

The two primary grifters bang my fake-christian alarm bells like a sledgehammer.

I believe that watching these two as plain old religious scam artists (albeit exceptionally lame and amateur) is the truth that will come out in plain sight in the future. There's countless more just like these from each and frequent new ones.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjhKoIjos5Y&t=223s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99IPVzKRN8A&t=46s


THE POSSIBLE FUTURE
I'm beginning to wonder if this LARP is really a very un-maga PSYOP and has been much deeper and bigger all along than even the surfacely viewable observations so far. The psyop would also plant Q 'revealers' as the controlled opposition and the agenda could have been more deliberate from the start with very dark unseen players all along. I suspect even the smarter social engineering watchers are way behind the knowledge required to anticipate the technological level that modern political warfare currently operates at, and that all tools are in full force 365/yr and planned way in advance. We have to come to terms with the fact that the use of every social engineering con they've got has been the norm our whole lifetimes already.

More puzzle pieces to come.

[Kalamos]

Oh look, another Q thread!

I was searching for anything about Ben Fulford and saw this thread. I figured I'd bump it because I think it's probably true that Qanon has been revealed already to be a hoax. It's pretty much a sad joke IMO. Like Ben Fulford and anyone that ever believed he had inside information mixed with disinformation (brings someone to mind). It's always been, like Q, Conspiritainment.

Here's a recent article (https://www.google.com/amp/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/07/does-the-jeffrey-epstein-indictment-qanon.html) about Q, only a few days old. It begs the question if the Epstien arrest is a Q proof.

[JamesHarrison]

Waves or anyone actually, I’m looking for the clip of Pamphlet being exposed with the trip code live but I can’t seem to find it anywhere and figured I’d see if anyone had it backed up or knew where it might be able to be found. Thanks again

[JamesHarrison]

What if someone was using an app to post pre prepared tweets? We know trump isn’t the only one who uses his account and if “breadcrumbs” come from tweets prepared by say staff, it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possible they would use an app to have the tweets post at certain times that way they could prepare multiple and have them post at different times. Just a thought.

[Ratszinger]

Waves or anyone actually, I’m looking for the clip of Pamphlet being exposed with the trip code live but I can’t seem to find it anywhere and figured I’d see if anyone had it backed up or knew where it might be able to be found. Thanks again

Old Tripcodes are out and can be found by anyone. Therefore anyone could find one, post it up like Pamphlet did and make a video appearing to be using one also. I think that the tripcode Pamphlet had was old, it was already used and wasn't valid any longer. Why it would be there is another story. If someone can prove it was a brand new never used tripcode for Q then you have something. So far all we have is something anyone of us could do to duplicate the exercise so to me that means it proves nothing really but that someone found an old tripcode.

[Andrew_K]

Waves or anyone actually, I’m looking for the clip of Pamphlet being exposed with the trip code live but I can’t seem to find it anywhere and figured I’d see if anyone had it backed up or knew where it might be able to be found. Thanks again

It's right here.:sherlock:
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[Matthew]

I looked into Q ages and ages ago. I found that Q is a bunch of anons hacking news servers (just one trick) or seemed that way months (years?) ago, when I bothered.

My summary, for what it's worth

probably less than this:

(2p)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJEp12u5sTRUCOSqgxp3U0rb0Jx9sT1_dh3f9eGsp5coQqDm9z&s

:star:

If the Q team hacks news servers and propagates otherwise avoided news, then they become a news outlet. But - as far as I could tell, they did it just to pretend to be possibly TRUMP HIMSELF! and sell branding. Also it seemed some of the Q team did really care. But there's also hints of grifting, Q aint the messiah.

But like I said, some of the Q team seemed to really care, some more than others though. Branding was a primary concern, I remember from the Unirock video, because Unirock claimed he was invited to join the team; they wanted his branding know-how.

Also, being like a newspaper, because Q propagates news, which is otherwise avoided: this seems useful, it's hard to argue directly against this. Except the Q face mask, of being a security insider, I don't think it can or should taken at face value. Most don't, I guess, but outside this forum I still see it here and there

[Bill Ryan]

It's possible that this may deserve its own thread. One cannot say this isn't interesting.

YouTube channel: Austin Steinbart
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3SB8FR3144M3DKCZPBXcHg)
Here are his last 5 videos (but there are quite a few earlier ones). He states clearly and unambiguously that he's 'Q'.

He's quite compelling, clearly arrogant, with a self-assured high intellect. His bio, which he states is all verifiable, makes Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible look like a bumbling boy scout. :) He seems to be offering a lot of evidence, though it's quite some wild, off-the-wall sci-fi story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oi3ebZVbkE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4DwYVbBlgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQMdbS0G7ho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_6hDv_Tmpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3pHXfwCbi8

[Satori]

He puts me in mind of the comedian and actor, Jim Carrey. Should we put as much stock in what he says as we would Carrey in one of his movies or stand up skits? An interesting fellow to be sure, but I'm on the fence about who he claims to be.

In any event, I do not see him as a "white hat", whoever he is and whatever he does. So if he is Q, Q is not a white hat in my book. Just another crook sailing along at our expense.

[mountain_jim]

Here's Joe M's response, for whatever it's worth.

https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1237759219610324998?s=20

1237759219610324998


https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1237745561769558016?s=20

1237745561769558016

Joe M thread

https://mobile.twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1237747096347987969

and Neon's



Anons have been calling Austin a retard/fraud for about a week on the boards now.
I haven't looked too closely at it precisely because Anons have been calling him a fraud/retard, so I pretty much ignored it, but yeah, if Pale Willy is sniffing around, you can bet it's a setup.

[Bill Ryan]

Okay, I watched this one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v19Miv8n4ig
Nope. That's a Fail. :) Even if he is Qanon, he doesn't know a thing about this topic.

[Kryztian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQMdbS0G7ho


I would like to know how he gets away on this Youtube video (@6:27) with threatening Queen Margrethe of Denmark with assassination (His words: "Roman-offing"). This video has been up on Youtube for five days and had almost 20 thousand views.

[waves]

LOL.
Definitely a Qtard continuing the Q narrative of naming framing shaming blaming ANYBODY EVERYBODY BUT THE JEWS for all the dirty deeds around the world.... while repeating the Israeli/Satanic hand symbol like a metronome.

Also leaves out everything Q leaves out the huge factor of how the Jews slowly amassed ownership and control of the worldwide media narrative, entertainment and internet and are 100% responsible right now for using it for so greatly the sick worse in hugely impactful/countless aggressively manipulative and cover-up ways.

What's with the choppy editing between paragraphs or sentences?

I seriously wondered if this was an actor or the current state of cloning.

[onawah]

Review from Alexandra Bruce of Forbidden Knowledge
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/q-comes-out/
3/10/20

"Something fun is happening, for a change – that is, unless you enjoy the spectacle of the DNC’s implosion, along with that of Joe Biden’s cognitive function.

Personally, I can’t bear to watch it. It’s beyond ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’ and insanely cruel. It’s not just elder abuse, it’s national abuse. It is a Satanic demoralization campaign against all of us, as human beings.

While Joe Biden might be one of the most corrupt politicians in US history who deserves to be brought to justice, no one deserves the sadistic infliction of this heap of misfiring neurons propped up as a presidential candidate, running interference on the prosecution of his crimes and those of his colleagues on both sides of the aisle.

But I digress.

Last week, I posted this excellent video by new YouTube phenom, Austin Steinbart, ‘Black Ops 101 – The Dark Truth About the 🤡’ . It had not yet sunken in for me that Steinbart had been implying that he is actually Q but yesterday morning, he left no doubt of this in his most recent video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=x3pHXfwCbi8&feature=emb_logo
... in which he makes the newsworthy claim that:

“I’m not just associated with Q, I AM Q! Me, personally. This is my operation. The guy posting on the boards and running point on this whole operation is actually me in the future. Pretty crazy, right? Be on the lookout for ‘official confirmation’ from the Big Man upstairs, very soon…”

He simultaneously posted this to his Facebook profile:

“Today I am officially announcing that I have been working undercover for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) since they sent me to Cuba in High School. 😎🇺🇸

“And that things are about to get pretty wild!!🚀 (in a good way) 😉👍🏼”

The 29-year-old owner of a “point-of-sale IT business” gives us a mini-biopic, complete with baby pictures and Google Earth maps of several family homes where he grew up.

He says his paternal grandfather, William (aka Bernard) Steinbart was a Project Paperclip Nazi, smuggled out of Russia by British Intelligence via their front operation, the Red Cross and given a new identity. He’d been “conscripted at gunpoint” and served as a tank commander on the Eastern Front.

His son, Wilfred Max (Austin’s father) recently retired from a long career in the semi-conductor business, selling software to defense contractors, like Raytheon. His mother, Cindy Frei Steinbart is a martial arts and fitness trainer, according to her LinkedIn profile.

His maternal grandfather, David J. Frei ran Mercury Refueling, Inc., a private contractor at the Marine Corps air Station in Yuma, Arizona, a company that he says, “smuggled drugs for the CIA” and his home was a “CIA drop site”.

His maternal grandmother, Grace Aragon Frei was a Salvadoran refugee, who he claims was a bloodline descendant of the Spanish Throne. This claim is not insignificant, as he claims in Part 1 of this video, posted 6 weeks ago, that a big part of overthrowing the Satanic-pedophile “Medieval Death Cult” led by the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (aka Windsors) will involve enforcing the Tordesillas Treaty, which he says grants ownership of all the world’s territory to the rightful House of Aragon claimant. Is he referring to himself?

Moreover, he claims that the DIA has several quantum computers networked together, forming a “Quantum Internet”, which is three decades ahead of Google’s that, itself is capable of being in 16 sextillion simultaneous states at once.

Imagine something significantly more advanced! He says the DIA’s quantum Internet is so powerful that it has “time warping” capabilities.

“If you subscribe, we’re gonna be doing a series on all of the fun, neat, exciting and very spooky things that this Quantum Internet can do, including one of my favorite features I like to call ‘instant messaging from the future’, a super helpful feature for IT guys trying not to get murdered by the Royal death racket…

“I’m also rich as Hell because the DIA let me use those time-warping instant messages to tip myself off to this thing called Bitcoin, way back, when it was just starting out.” He says this 60,000 square foot compound on 160 acres, under construction in a Phoenix suburb belongs to him.

“So, put that in your pipe and smoke it, because…I am going to be the new Commander of the Space Force – the real one, not that fake Air Force one. [Would be due to his bloodline claim?]

“While I’m generally a cordial fella who plays nice with others, I will not hesitate to call out egotistical [Q] influencers when they are leading people astray.

“We’ve got lots of stories to tell and we’re going to be doing so on this YouTube channel over the next few weeks.”

(Does this mean there will be no more Q posts?)

Obviously, this is craziness – but it’s my kind of fun craziness – and a delightful distraction, if nothing else from the relentless grind of our hybrid civil war.

I certainly look forward to more about this “instant messaging from the future”!

[Chester]

I love it! I was wondering why, when I discovered this guy's channel just a few days ago that I felt I finally "understood" Q and what Q was all about far, far better than I had ever been able to achieve.

If this is true than it is indeed an "Op."

Is it an "Op" of a single, incredibly imaginative mind who maybe, at best, has hacking ability whereby he has obtained access to information which has yet to be released publicly, whereby he creates cryptic "hints" of such whereby, when "the info" goes public, all the Q "interpretive sources" (some may be fed "interpretations" of Q posts from Austin Powers... I mean, Steinbart) blast the newest "Q proof!"??

Is it an "Op" supported by "real DIA (read military) and/or other "intelligence agency" participants (military or CIA type)?

The fun isn't over, it has now shifted.

If I were Q and Q is Austin Steinbart, I would post as Q, "beware of fakes!"

That would really twist the folks up, heh?

[muxfolder]

Great summary on Q by Davey Crocko.

MV0YhJ-chWw

[Jayke]

Great summary on Q by Davey Crocko.

MV0YhJ-chWw

40 minutes into the video... not impressed by his gamma cry-bully tactics and hypocrisy. His main gripe with Q seems to be that Q uses an anonymous name, while making videos, and asking for money (while he’s sat there using a fake name, making videos and grifting for money :facepalm: ).

Q didn’t make the video he shows, that was made by one of the Anons, Joe M (https://twitter.com/stormisuponus?lang=en), and Q doesn’t ask for money, only a few of the paytriots do.

Around 25 mins he uses Nancy Pelosis ‘wrap up smear technique’ to discredit Q followers.

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In this instance Crocko uses the Pamphlet and Microchip videos, who were proven to be Larpers by the Qanon community (and were discussed in this thread over a year ago) as a way to smear anyone who follows Q as “retards”. His ‘wrap-up smear’ logic is disingenuous and shows a disconnect from what actually happens within the Q community.

His concerns about Trump are valid, but his understanding of Q, the Q material and the Q community are lacklustre and operate from an already debunked information set.

38mins in and he pulls up a video from “one of the main people pushing this ****” a woman called Liz Crokin (first I’ve heard of her since I’ve been following the Q material), and says “trigger warning on the voice already” referring to Liz’s voice in her video. Men with a weak, nasally and emasculated voice tone really shouldn’t be criticising the voice tone of others :facepalm:

I might watch the the rest later but so far he’s definitely not the brightest spark to jump on the Q-critic bandwagon.

[norman]

I think you folks who value this thread might like this video.

or am I patronising amd pigeonholing you ?

aCJW6hVREAU

The hosts, at least, have a similar energy to the flat earthers I encounters 2 or 3 years back. I still can't make out what Steinbart is all about but I'm damned sure he's not Q.

[TargeT]

It's possible that this may deserve its own thread. One cannot say this isn't interesting.

YouTube channel: Austin Steinbart
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3SB8FR3144M3DKCZPBXcHg)
Here are his last 5 videos (but there are quite a few earlier ones). He states clearly and unambiguously that he's 'Q'.

He's quite compelling, clearly arrogant, with a self-assured high intellect. His bio, which he states is all verifiable, makes Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible look like a bumbling boy scout. :) He seems to be offering a lot of evidence, though it's quite some wild, off-the-wall sci-fi story.


Q is most likely Admiral Rodgers, far too many coincidences for it not to be (doesn't mean it's not a farce however... that's DEEP in the mil/intel industrial complex)


Plus, there's this from 2018


513
Q !UW.yye1fxo
9 Jan 2018 - 4:29:38 AM
IMPORTANT:
NO private comms past/present/future.
NO comms made outside of this platform.
Any claims that contradict the above should be considered FAKE NEWS and disregarded immediately.
WHERE WE GO ONE, WE GO ALL.
PATRIOTS.
Q

[Matthew]

It's possible that this may deserve its own thread. One cannot say this isn't interesting.

YouTube channel: Austin Steinbart
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3SB8FR3144M3DKCZPBXcHg)
Here are his last 5 videos (but there are quite a few earlier ones). He states clearly and unambiguously that he's 'Q'.

He's quite compelling, clearly arrogant, with a self-assured high intellect. His bio, which he states is all verifiable, makes Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible look like a bumbling boy scout. :) He seems to be offering a lot of evidence, though it's quite some wild, off-the-wall sci-fi story.


Q is most likely Admiral Rodgers, far too many coincidences for it not to be (doesn't mean it's not a farce however... that's DEEP in the mil/intel industrial complex)


Plus, there's this from 2018


513
Q !UW.yye1fxo
9 Jan 2018 - 4:29:38 AM
IMPORTANT:
NO private comms past/present/future.
NO comms made outside of this platform.
Any claims that contradict the above should be considered FAKE NEWS and disregarded immediately.
WHERE WE GO ONE, WE GO ALL.
PATRIOTS.
Q

Still think Q is one person?

[TargeT]

I'm sure the group has a manager ;)

That's what I meant.

[Ratszinger]

Q would have to be multi-fingered as any mil-intelligence op would be. Compartmentalized yes, but multi-faceted for sure. I watched the latest interview of Austin Steinbart and he sure comes off as credible and concerned for the world and his country! Outside comms or not I've felt for some time that the Q board was hacked after 8Chan and that all it's been since 8kun is cheer leading nonsense going no where but just keeping the masses at bay. Austin seems more like the original Q to me and I am finding most of his answers, even when difficult to be quite satisfying.

[Matthew]

I've seen other Q followers slip up on this point. Q, with its self proclaimed, unstraight methods becomes a magnet for what you want to believe

[Matthew]

No scrap that, what I meant was... welcome back TargeT!

[TargeT]

I've seen other Q followers slip up on this point. Q, with its self proclaimed, unstraight methods becomes a magnet for what you want to believe

Absolutely, humans see what they are looking for.



No scrap that, what I meant was... welcome back TargeT!

Thanks ;)

[Matthew]

A bit more than "humans see what they are looking for", Q is a labyrinth of, what I think I can best describe as, unstraight methods

[Ratszinger]

"unstraight'' isn't a word! :-)

[mountain_jim]

In my opinion, based on current daily events (RussiaGate, ObamaGate, MSM and Democratic leadership coordinated lies, illegal unmasking, all of these de-classs revelations, etc.) predicted and foreshadowed by Q ongoing since Nov 2017...

this thread, and indeed Avalon's dismissive relegation of the Qanon research community to the private Avalon backwaters, has not aged well.

Unless the purpose of that privatizing was more about hiding the extremely rude and disagreeable nature of the debate, to which this thread's author contributed greatly.

And we (qanon researchers and followers) are still not parasites, or deluded, in finding value in this communication operation and channel.

On the contrary, we were well informed in advance about much that has become public and more to come.

In my opinion.

later edit: the initial UniRock story in this initial thread post was debunked within a day or so by Neon Revolt, but folks here preferred to confirm their biases rather than be open to the alternatives.

Ongoing Q posts, synchronized White House tweets, and plenty of events ever since have confirmed the deep insider connections of this channel, and the falsity of the premise of this thread, to those with research bents and an open mind.

[Kryztian]

Spot on commentary from Caitlin Johnstone


* * * * * * * * * *

I write against QAnon periodically for the exact same reason I write against the plutocratic media: it's an obvious propaganda construct designed to manufacture support for the status quo among people who otherwise would not support it. It presents itself as an exciting movement where the little guy is finally rising up and throwing off the chains of the tyrannical forces which have been exploiting and oppressing us, yet in reality all it's doing is telling a discontented sector of the population to relax and "trust the plan" and put all their faith in the leader of the US government.

And that's exactly what makes QAnon so uniquely toxic. It's not just that it gets people believing false things which confuse and alienate them, it's that it's a fake, decoy imitation of what a healthy revolutionary impulse would look like. It sells people on important truths that they already intuitively know on some level, like the untrustworthiness of the mass media, that the official elected US government aren't really the ones calling the shots, and that we need a great awakening. It takes those vital, truthful, healthy revolutionary impulses, then twists them around into support for the United States president and the agendas of the Republican Party.

And now literally any time I speak out against Trump doing something self-evidently horrible like orchestrating the extradition of Julian Assange or assassinating Iran's top military official, I get QAnon adherents in the comments section telling me to "relax" and "trust the plan" because this is actually a brilliant strategic maneuver against the deep state. Any argument against any longstanding evil Fox News Republican agenda that Trump advances has a widely promulgated explanation for why it's actually good and beneficial among the QAnon crowd.

A healthy impulse to fight the power is twisted into support for the most unconscionable aspects of the ruling power establishment. You see healthy impulses twisted and corrupted like this all the time, all across the political spectrum. The healthy impulse to fight racism and bigotry is twisted into support for the warmongering, oppressive and exploitative Democratic Party which is nothing but destructive toward the populations it pretends to protect. The healthy impulse to defend the helpless and fight tyranny is railroaded into support for acts of regime change "humanitarian" interventionism

[Frank V]

Spot on commentary from Caitlin Johnstone


* * * * * * * * * *

I write against QAnon periodically for the exact same reason I write against the plutocratic media: it's an obvious propaganda construct designed to manufacture support for the status quo among people who otherwise would not support it. It presents itself as an exciting movement where the little guy is finally rising up and throwing off the chains of the tyrannical forces which have been exploiting and oppressing us, yet in reality all it's doing is telling a discontented sector of the population to relax and "trust the plan" and put all their faith in the leader of the US government.

And that's exactly what makes QAnon so uniquely toxic. It's not just that it gets people believing false things which confuse and alienate them, it's that it's a fake, decoy imitation of what a healthy revolutionary impulse would look like. It sells people on important truths that they already intuitively know on some level, like the untrustworthiness of the mass media, that the official elected US government aren't really the ones calling the shots, and that we need a great awakening. It takes those vital, truthful, healthy revolutionary impulses, then twists them around into support for the United States president and the agendas of the Republican Party.

And now literally any time I speak out against Trump doing something self-evidently horrible like orchestrating the extradition of Julian Assange or assassinating Iran's top military official, I get QAnon adherents in the comments section telling me to "relax" and "trust the plan" because this is actually a brilliant strategic maneuver against the deep state. Any argument against any longstanding evil Fox News Republican agenda that Trump advances has a widely promulgated explanation for why it's actually good and beneficial among the QAnon crowd.

A healthy impulse to fight the power is twisted into support for the most unconscionable aspects of the ruling power establishment. You see healthy impulses twisted and corrupted like this all the time, all across the political spectrum. The healthy impulse to fight racism and bigotry is twisted into support for the warmongering, oppressive and exploitative Democratic Party which is nothing but destructive toward the populations it pretends to protect. The healthy impulse to defend the helpless and fight tyranny is railroaded into support for acts of regime change "humanitarian" interventionism

I am so going to steal this, and I'll credit you as the one who shared it here, Kryztian. :P

[Jayke]

Funny how Caitlin Johnson takes part in the orchestrated attack from the mockingbird media against Qanon right after Trumps comments about the movement. She is a Bernie bro though, and I can’t find any articles from her being equally critical of the deep state funded and organised Antifa riots. In fact she seems to be defending the Portland rioters (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/08/20/qanon-is-a-fake-decoy-imitation-of-a-healthy-revolutionary-impulse/) in the complete article Kryztian took a snippet from. Is she just another anarcho-socialist propagandist? I lost any faith in Caitlins objectivity when she said the Bernie bros meme warfare skills would destroy team Trump in an election battle (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106650-The-thread-of-Caitlin-Johnstone-s-words&p=1335279&viewfull=1#post1335279). :ROFL:


https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/104725569066342568


EIGHTY articles published against #QAnon in the past 24 hours.

The Mockingbirds flocking together in unison; total and complete panic at the loss of narrative control.

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/057/783/914/original/c8a18c43dd6f4965.png?1597985300

[thepainterdoug]

Ezra Cohen Watnick is said to be Q by Jeffrey Prather in this very compelling video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAL8s3Ad2Mg&feature=emb_logo

this man seems to me to have all the "in the know " to make this claim.

dont shoot me, im just the piano player.

[Kryztian]

Kerry Cassidy interviews Austin Steinbart, a.k.a. "Baby Q", a.k.a. "Q from the future" fresh out of prison on "trumped" up charges. I am only half an hour in to it, and I am not posting this because I feel it has high truth value, but because of it's "conspira-tainment" value. Enjoy, with a big grain of salt! :sun:

https://odysee.com/@PROJECTCAMELOT:d/AUSTIN-STEINBART_FINAL:4

https://cdn.lbryplayer.xyz/content/claims/AUSTIN-STEINBART_FINAL/411553821fbf03eefef1ece57c57b8f1056ceb84/stream

https://cdn.lbryplayer.xyz/content/claims/AUSTIN-STEINBART_FINAL/411553821fbf03eefef1ece57c57b8f1056ceb84/stream

[Lilyofthestars]

Spot on commentary from Caitlin Johnstone


* * * * * * * * * *

I write against QAnon periodically for the exact same reason I write against the plutocratic media: it's an obvious propaganda construct designed to manufacture support for the status quo among people who otherwise would not support it. It presents itself as an exciting movement where the little guy is finally rising up and throwing off the chains of the tyrannical forces which have been exploiting and oppressing us, yet in reality all it's doing is telling a discontented sector of the population to relax and "trust the plan" and put all their faith in the leader of the US government.

And that's exactly what makes QAnon so uniquely toxic. It's not just that it gets people believing false things which confuse and alienate them, it's that it's a fake, decoy imitation of what a healthy revolutionary impulse would look like. It sells people on important truths that they already intuitively know on some level, like the untrustworthiness of the mass media, that the official elected US government aren't really the ones calling the shots, and that we need a great awakening. It takes those vital, truthful, healthy revolutionary impulses, then twists them around into support for the United States president and the agendas of the Republican Party.

And now literally any time I speak out against Trump doing something self-evidently horrible like orchestrating the extradition of Julian Assange or assassinating Iran's top military official, I get QAnon adherents in the comments section telling me to "relax" and "trust the plan" because this is actually a brilliant strategic maneuver against the deep state. Any argument against any longstanding evil Fox News Republican agenda that Trump advances has a widely promulgated explanation for why it's actually good and beneficial among the QAnon crowd.


I know you wrote this back in August of 2020, but might I just say you really hit the nail on the head with these sentiments. This is essentially the conclusion I have come to. I have no doubts that Q is a sophisticated operation ran by some one on the "inside". But when will people wake up and realize that not every one on the "inside" has the world and all its inhabitant's best interest at heart? Just because someone is an "insider" and truly has worked in high ranking government positions, does not mean that they are "coming out" with the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The world is seeped in damaging and harmful agendas. Q is no different. From the beginning I felt there was a lot of truth coming out of Q, but I didn't believe who they were blaming such things on. I feel that many of the horrible things they describe indeed do go on in the world. But those actions weren't coming from the individuals they were pointing the finger to. To me, it reeks of a reverse blame game coming from very powerful sources. A guilty conscious always points the finger to his opponents and blames them of doing the very things they are engaging in. It has to place its guilt somewhere.

And this,

A healthy impulse to fight the power is twisted into support for the most unconscionable aspects of the ruling power establishment. You see healthy impulses twisted and corrupted like this all the time, all across the political spectrum. The healthy impulse to fight racism and bigotry is twisted into support for the warmongering, oppressive and exploitative Democratic Party which is nothing but destructive toward the populations it pretends to protect. The healthy impulse to defend the helpless and fight tyranny is railroaded into support for acts of regime change "humanitarian" interventionism

Brilliantly stated.

And as for the previous interview you just posted.. Oh my goodness.. No comment. Wow, is about all I can say. :suspicious: