USA, INC.'s Trump Gives Go-Ahead for False Flag Gas Attack in Syria

[Dennis Leahy]

Donald Trump has been ordered by the CIA and Mossad to stage yet another false-flag terrorist attack in Syria. Donald could not be reached for comment, as it has been widely reported that he, Johny Bolton, and Benji Netanyahu were seen slipping into a hotel room to "have wild sex until the White Helmets get the job done in Syria."

Just like the last one - because the American public is so thoroughly "mushroomed" (kept in the dark and fed sh*t), dumbed-down, and lacking in cognitive skills to spot the same MO, again. Seriously, AGAIN. You can't make this stuff up - except, well, yes, they do just keep making stuff up.

http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/TrumpOrdersGasSyria.jpg

[Dennis Leahy]

Correction:

"Donald could not be reached for comment, as it has been widely reported that he, Johny Bolton, and Benji Netanyahu were seen slipping into a hotel room to "have wild sex until the White Helmets get the job done in Syria."

should have been:

"Donald could not be reached for comment, as it has been widely reported [by an official US senior] that Donald, Johnny Bolton, and Benji Netanyahu were seen slipping into a hotel room to "have wild sex until the White Helmets get the job done in Syria."

Reporting live from FEMA Zone V.

Now, back to Janet with the weather...

[Smell the Roses]

Yes, because killing other people "for the children" is so important to our American values. Pavlov would be proud. Stimulus: Show picture of dead child. Response: Increase military budget and profit for war machine.

[Ascension]

Surely you cannot possibly be referring to our rogue savior Trump, who is currently working via coded messages with the Qanon researchers - the ones who are even now, as we speak, waiting for that swamp draining to get underway. We are most certainly on the brink of draining now. It will happen soon, and will be timed to coincide with UFO disclosure.

Take heart. Have Faith. Keep Waiting.

A

[onawah]

So more sanctions from Trump against the Palestinians.
https://www.dw.com/en/us-to-close-palestinian-mission-in-washington-says-plo/a-45426211
"US to close Palestinian mission in Washington, says PLO
The PLO harshly criticized the Trump administration's decision to shutter its de-facto embassy in Washington. The move follows massive cuts in US aid to Palestinians.

The United States on Monday said it would close the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) mission in Washington.

PLO Secretary-General Saeb Erekat called the decision a "dangerous escalation."

"This is yet another affirmation of the Trump administration's policy to collectively punish the Palestinian people, including by cutting financial support for humanitarian services including health and education," he said in a statement.

The move to shutter the PLO's de-facto embassy comes after Palestinians cut off contact with the US government after President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in December.

It also comes as the Trump administration is set to release its own much praised Middle East peace plan, although it is unclear what it entails or when it will be released.

The State Department blamed the Palestinians for being unwilling to negotiate.

"PLO leadership has condemned a US peace plan they have not yet seen and refused to engage with the US government with respect to peace efforts and otherwise," State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said in a statement. "As such, and reflecting congressional concerns, the administration has decided that the PLO office in Washington will close at this point."

The Trump administration has been ratcheting up pressure on the Palestinians by cutting over $200 million (€173 million) in bilateral aid. The US has also pulled its support for the UN agency responsible for 5 million Palestinian refugees.

Palestinians argue Israel's right-wing government is not genuinely interested in a two-state solution as evinced by continued Jewish settlement building in the occupied West Bank.

The PLO is an umbrella group that was created in 1964 to represent various Palestinian factions seeking self-determination. The PLO also runs the PA, the semi-autonomous, interim government that manages certain areas of the Palestinian territories.

The move also comes amid US concerns over attempts by Palestinian officials to have Israel investigated for war crimes at the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague.

Erekat said that Monday's decision to close the PLO's office in Washington shows the lengths that the Trump administration is willing to go to "in order to protect Israeli crimes" against Palestinians.

He added that "the rights of the Palestinian people are not for sale."

The US is also preparing to adopt an aggressive stance against the ICC should they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by the US in Afghanistan as well as a possible probe against Israel.

Trump's national security adviser, John Bolton, said Monday that any probe against the US or Israel could lead to sanctions against the ICC."

This reminds me of what I was seeing back in the beginning of Trump's presidency, when some forum members were trying to figure out what his game would be.
From what I was seeing in photos of him with the Pope and other religious connections, and with the choice of Pence as his VP, I had a feeling it was going to have a lot to do with Israel, and less directly, the Vatican.
(Though what the Vatican is really up to these days, considering what we hear about the NWO's plans to make Islam the world religion, is anybody's guess. Though my guess is that they may not ever really been all that attached to Christianity if they intend to go along with the NWO plan, which no doubt they will. Power is apparently what they really crave, no matter what package it comes in. )
Someone suggested recently that all the news about Alex Jones being attacked by youtube, etc. might be some kind of distraction, made to garner him even more attention once he is back online.
A thing about Jones that has always interested me is that he never has anything bad to say about Israel.
Now how does that all fit together?

[ThePythonicCow]

Donald Trump has been ordered by the CIA and Mossad to stage yet another false-flag terrorist attack in Syria.

There is substantial connection between this thread, and another thread: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104244-Fox-News-claims-that-Syria-s-Assad-gives-go-ahead-for-gas-attack&p=1247553&viewfull=1#post1247553).

In one case, it is supposedly Syrian President Assad who has given the go ahead, and in the other case it is US President Trump who has done so.

[Dennis Leahy]

Another correction:

"Donald could not be reached for comment, as it has been widely reported [by an official US senior] that Donald, Johnny Bolton, and Benji Netanyahu were seen slipping into a hotel room to "have wild sex until the White Helmets get the job done in Syria."

should have been:

"Donald could not be reached for comment, as it has been widely reported by an unnamed official US senior, that Donald, Johnny Bolton, and Benji Netanyahu were seen slipping into a hotel room to "have wild sex until the White Helmets get the job done in Syria."

It is important to note that the source of this information is "unnamed", so this story will likely be picked up at the Wall Street Journal as well, because they are huge fans and advocates of "unnamed", and just allowed "unnamed" to light the fuse for the USA, INC. to take over Syria.

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Donald Trump has been ordered by the CIA and Mossad to stage yet another false-flag terrorist attack in Syria.

There is substantial connection between this thread, and another thread: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104244-Fox-News-claims-that-Syria-s-Assad-gives-go-ahead-for-gas-attack&p=1247553&viewfull=1#post1247553).

In one case, it is supposedly Syrian President Assad who has given the go ahead, and in the other case it is US President Trump who has done so.
It's uncanny.

[ThePythonicCow]

I posted what I think is a fine article, by James Howard Kunstler, over on the sibling thread Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104244-Fox-News-claims-that-Syria-s-Assad-gives-go-ahead-for-gas-attack&James Howard Kunstlerp=1247557&viewfull=1#post1247557).

I concluded that post, in agreement with Kunstler, saying:



In any case I certainly share Kunstler's skepticism over anything that US "Intelligence" dredges up these days in the way of breaking news, and it is self evident to me that both of these stories, one blaming Assad and one blaming Trump, have their origins in the treasonous and murderous halls of US "Intelligence."
Either way, whether the blame is pinned on Assad or Trump, it seems to me that the American Deep State Intelligence is trying to exert some leverage over Donald Trump and offer some distraction to the American people, in order to blunt the force of criminal and treasonous revelations and prosecutions being unveiled by Trump's administration

[Dennis Leahy]

This is real and right now. President Bashar al Assad and his family's lives are in immediate danger, danger at the highest level.

THIS is the most obvious and telegraphed false flag attack in history.

This is the third time in a row the USA, INC. executive office has played this gambit, authored by CIA/MI6/Mossad. The executive office of the United States government, Trump himself, is fully compliant with the obvious ruse. A few days ago, Trump trumpeted,

President Bashar al-Assad of Syria must not recklessly attack Idlib Province. The Russians and Iranians would be making a grave humanitarian mistake to take part in this potential human tragedy. Hundreds of thousands of people could be killed. Don't let that happen!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 3, 2018Trump provides the set-up for the false flag, and the US military retaliation.

Trump is fully compliant, fully on-board with the Deep State and Israel that have been plotting this for years. Trump will provide the coup de gras. The Deep State will then redirect their resources at their next victim.

Trump knows that Assad is guilty of nothing. He knows that the USA simply IS going to take over the Syria, as has been the Deep State/ruling elite plan through several presidents and seven years of war.

Do you really think Trump is so stupid that he could be fooled three times in a row with the same false flag - that he participated in? Is it possible that he is that stupid? The previous false flags were proven to be false flags, and it wasn't hard then either. This ruse, this series of false flags couldn't possibly fool anyone with an IQ over 79.

He is not that stupid. He knows exactly what is going on, and that the Zionist-Israel-sympathetic core of the Deep State has ordered the USA, INC. to neutralize Iran and Syria. Trump is proving that he was either always Deep State, or controlled by the Deep State (who probably have enough "dirt" on any prominent person in the US to control them.) I hope the Trump supporters revolt - they've been had; we've all been had by the ruling elite and their goliath war machine and military-security industrial complex and their complete control of all 3 branches of the US government, and the horrific, hellish terror that the USA, INC. - under control of the Deep State - has inflicted on the world and many millions of innocent souls.

What would be even worse is if US citizens fall for some flimsy-ass excuse to destroy and pillage a country, wave the flag, and go back to watching the football game.

[Dennis Leahy]

I posted what I think is a fine article, by James Howard Kunstler, over on the sibling thread Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104244-Fox-News-claims-that-Syria-s-Assad-gives-go-ahead-for-gas-attack&James Howard Kunstlerp=1247557&viewfull=1#post1247557).

I concluded that post, in agreement with Kunstler, saying:



In any case I certainly share Kunstler's skepticism over anything that US "Intelligence" dredges up these days in the way of breaking news, and it is self evident to me that both of these stories, one blaming Assad and one blaming Trump, have their origins in the treasonous and murderous halls of US "Intelligence."
Either way, whether the blame is pinned on Assad or Trump, it seems to me that the American Deep State Intelligence is trying to exert some leverage over Donald Trump and offer some distraction to the American people, in order to blunt the force of criminal and treasonous revelations and prosecutions being unveiled by Trump's administration

But look at Trump's actions. THEY (the Deep State) are not exerting leverage on him - how can they make him say what they want him to say? He is the one that provided the set-up with the "warning" {wink, wink} from 6 days ago. Unless you mean that the Deep State had already "flipped" him before, well, let's say before the first of the 3 fake gas attacks - because Trump has been involved in the setup, or provides the dire "warning", or both, in each instance.

[ThePythonicCow]

The questions that you raise about Trump are key questions.

It could well be that Donald J. Trump is just extending his career as a World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) Hall of Famer into the White House, where, in both cases, the "art of the deal" is over shadowed by the "art of the show", conspiring behind the scenes to put on a show of grand conflict and drama for the fleeced public.

If that's the case, Trump should go back to Wrestling, where far fewer people get seriously hurt or killed.

[Jayke]

Trump isn’t so stupid that he can be fooled, but he is surrounded by enough swamp critters to be coerced and blackmailed into being the spokesman that pulls the trigger. Hysteria isn’t the best mindset for analysing geopolitics, it’s better to be the eye of the storm, gather as much data and opposing views as possible — from all directions. Figure out who precisely is pulling Trumps strings, otherwise, you may get Trump impeached, but the next President is still going to be handled by the same puppet masters, and you’ll just end up in the same hysterical merry-go-round of political activism regardless of who gets brought in to replace him.

Dig deeper, discover the roots of the problem, and shine the spotlight of injustice on the real war criminals. The LaRouchepac report from yesterday stated a ‘cold-coup’ is underway to oust Trump because Trump is putting America first and not following orders from ‘The City of London’, like all other Presidents before him have done. It’s worth paying attention to all the angles and lines of enquiry before sending out the lynch mobs. Otherwise the stooge gets hung and the real culprits flee and live to plot another day.

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[Jayke]

Senator Richard Black took a 6 day visit to Syria recently to assess the political situation over there. When he returned he praised Assad for being a great leader for his people and highlighted that he’d been shown evidence of the British regime plotting the chemical attack in Syria. The same MI6 backed British regime were also planning a coup to steamroll Trump into initiating the war on MI6’s behalf:

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[Dennis Leahy]

Trump isn’t so stupid that he can be fooled, but he is surrounded by enough swamp critters to be coerced and blackmailed into being the spokesman that pulls the trigger. Hysteria isn’t the best mindset for analysing geopolitics, it’s better to be the eye of the storm, gather as much data and opposing views as possible — from all directions. Figure out who precisely is pulling Trumps strings, otherwise, you may get Trump impeached, but the next President is still going to be handled by the same puppet masters, and you’ll just end up in the same hysterical merry-go-round of political activism regardless of who gets brought in to replace him.

Dig deeper, discover the roots of the problem, and shine the spotlight of injustice on the real war criminals. ...I know it isn't Trump, or isn't just Trump and this wasn't instigated by Trump - but Trump's in the thick of it and he's a zionist. The USA, INC. wants regional hegemony (and is happy to take it by force), but the takeover of Syria by the zionists is the major goal. The fact that Trump is zionist turns the volume of the alarms going off to "eleven."

We may know that there is someone behind the curtain, but then we clearly see that the US president - Trump - has ordered a hit on Syria. I'd say Trump is the only one that could stop it now. Call off the hit.

Direct, open plea to President Donald Trump: Please, call off the hit on Assad and Syria. We know they are innocent victims. Enough. You are the only one that can call off the hit now that you put it in play. Call off the hit. If you allow the takeover of Syria to happen, for zionist Israel, you will be a war criminal, and may be hanging by a noose at the Hague along with Hillary and Obama. I know you are a narcissistic person, so think about this: you'll always be remembered by what happens in Syria. You've been made the patsy. Why do you think the false flag "gas attacks" 3 times were so poorly executed and easily debunked. The zionist Deep State has set you up. You're the patsy, unless you put a stop to it. It's illegal, it's a war crime, its based on the world's flimsiest excuse for evidence, to make you look so stupid that you fell for it 3 times. They are mocking you. They are laughing at you. Zionist Israel wants Syria and Netanyahu manipulated the hell out of you. They know it's illegal, and only the "alpha male" nation can destroy Syria, so they - the zionists, like the PNAC zionists, are getting you to do it. That's why Israel didn't do it themselves. They got you to do it. Think about it. You're the patsy. Your only way out is to call off the hit on Syria.

[Jayke]

Direct, open plea to President Donald Trump: Please, call off the hit on Assad and Syria. We know they are innocent victims. Enough. You are the only one that can call off the hit now that you put it in play. Call off the hit. If you allow the takeover of Syria to happen, for zionist Israel, you will be a war criminal, and may be hanging by a noose at the Hague along with Hillary and Obama. I know you are a narcissistic person, so think about this: you'll always be remembered by what happens in Syria. You've been made the patsy. Why do you think the false flag "gas attacks" 3 times were so poorly executed and easily debunked. The zionist Deep State has set you up. You're the patsy, unless you put a stop to it. It's illegal, it's a war crime, its based on the world's flimsiest excuse for evidence, to make you look so stupid that you fell for it 3 times. They are mocking you. They are laughing at you. Zionist Israel wants Syria and Netanyahu manipulated the hell out of you. They know it's illegal, and only the "alpha male" nation can destroy Syria, so they - the zionists, like the PNAC zionists, are getting you to do it. That's why Israel didn't do it themselves. They got you to do it. Think about it. You're the patsy. Your only way out is to call off the hit on Syria.

Amen to that brother Dennis!:bowing:

And the Zionist puppet masters of the year prize goes to:

https://www.jewishnews.net.au/bibi-may-commemorate-balfour-centenary/70955
https://www.jewishnews.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/may-bibi-992x558.jpg

Look at them all gushing over the Balfour Declaration. Gloating over the death and destruction they’ve caused over the decades.

[Jayke]

Thierry Meyssan’s latest article


http://www.voltairenet.org/article202869.html




Finding a way out of the war against Syria

The White House is unable to extricate itself from the war in Syria. President Trump is hindered both by the self-proclaimed « stable state » (according to the anonymous op ed in the New York Times), which continues to pursue the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski strategy, and by the reactivated ambitions of his Israëli, French, British and Turkish allies. The logic of these interests could displace the war instead of resolving it.

Although the White House and Russia have agreed to end the proxy war fought by jihadists in Syria, peace is a long time coming. Why?

Why is there a war against Syria?

Contrary to the idea carefully sown by seven years of propaganda, the war against Syria is not a « revolution which went wrong ». It was decided by the Pentagon in September 2001, then prepared for many years, admittedly with a few difficulties.

A war in preparation for a decade

The preparation of the war is explained in depth in Thierry Meyssan’s latest book. It is already available in French, Spanish, Russian and Turkish. It will be published in September in English, Arab and Italian.
A reminder of the main stages of the planning of the war:
- In September 2001, US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld adopted the strategy of Admiral Arthur Cebrowski, which specified that the state structures of half of the world had to be destroyed. For those states whose economy is globalised, the United States would control the access to the natural resources of those regions not connected to the global economy. The Pentagon commenced its work by « remodelling » the « Greater Middle East » [1].
- On 12 December 2003, George Bush Jr. signed the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act. From that moment on, the President of the United States enjoyed the right to go to war with Syria without having to ask Congress for approval [2].
- The Lebanese civil war (1978-90) ended with the Taif Agreement. At the request of the Arab League, and with the approbation of the UN Security Council, the Syrian Arab Army came to the assistance of the Lebanese army in disarming the militias, then, acting as a Peace Force, stabilised the country. Thereafter, Israël accused Syria of having occupied Lebanon, which makes no sense at all. [3]
- In 2004, during the summit of the Arab League in Tunis, President Ben Ali attempted to push through a motion authorising the League to legitimise the use of force against member states who refused to respect the League’s brand new Human Rights Charter.
- In 2005, the CIA organised the Cedar revolution in Lebanon. By assassinating Sunni leader Rafic Hariri and blaming the Christian President of Lebanon and the Alaouite President of Syria, they hoped to trigger a Sunni uprising against the Syrian Peace Forces. With the Marines ready to disembark in Beïrut, Syria withdrew on its own initiative, and the tension was dissipated [4].
- In 2006, Dick Cheney tasked his daughter Liz with creating the « Iran Syria Policy and Operations Group ». They organised the Israeli attack against Hezbollah, thinking that they would be unable to resist for long. US Marines were then intended to disembark in Beïrut and continue their march of « liberation » on Damascus. However, the operation failed, and after 33 days of combat, Israël had to retreat [5].
- In 2008, Washington once again tried to create conflict with Lebanon as its flash point. Prime Minister Fouad Siniora decided to cut the internal communications of the Resistance and to interrupt air transport with Teheran. Within a few hours, Hezbollah had inverted the Western military system and replaced all of its infrastructures.
- In 2010, Washington adopted the strategy of « leading from behind ». The Obama administration handed the attacks on Libya and Syria to France and the United Kingdom respectively (Lancaster House agreements).
- In 2011, beginning of military operations in Syria.

It is therefore absurd to speak of the war against Syria as a spontaneous event sui generis [6].

Indirect war

The original feature of the war against Syria is that although it was declared by states (the « Friends of Syria »), it was in reality fought almost exclusively by non-state armies, the jihadists.

During the seven years of this war, more than 250,000 combatants arrived from overseas to fight against the Syrian Arab Republic. They were without doubt little more than cannon fodder, and insufficiently trained, but during the first four years of the conflict, these soldiers were better armed than the Syrian Arab Army. The most important arms traffic in History was organised in order to keep the jihadists supplied with war materials [7].

The Western powers had not used mercenaries on this scale since the European Renaissance [8].

It is therefore absurd to speak of a « revolution that went wrong ».

A war supervised by allies who have their own objectives

By asking Israël to attack Lebanon on their behalf, then by handing over the wars on Libya and Syria to France and the United Kingdom, and finally by using the NATO installations in Turkey, the Pentagon allowed its plan to be confounded by its allies.

Just as in all wars, the leading country has to promise its obedient allies that they will be awarded a return on their investment. However, with the entry of Russia into the war, Western victory became impossible. Every one of the United States allies turned progressively back towards its own strategy in the region. With time, the war objectives of the allies gained the upper hand over those of the United States, who refused to invest as much as they should have done, militarily speaking.

Israël

Pursuing the colonial ideology of some of its founding fathers, Israël implemented a policy of division intended to split its larger neighbours into a collection of small countries which were to be ethnically or religiously homogeneous. It therefore supported - in vain - the division of Lebanon into two states, one Muslim and one Christian, or again the creation of a Kurdistan in Iraq, then later in Syria. We do not have the Israëli strategic documents, but retrospectively, the line followed by Tel-Aviv corresponds to the « Yinon plan » of 1982 [9] or that of the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies of 1996 [10].

The Israëli strategy stayed within the limits of the « remodelling of the Greater Middle East » designed by Rumsfeld and Cebrowski. However, it did not have anything like the same objective - the Pentagon wanted to control the access to the region’s riches by the developed countries, while Israël wanted to ensure that none of its neighbours could become strong enough to challenge it.

The United Kingdom and France

The United Kingdom and France fell back on their colonial policy, as it was defined at the moment of the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the division of the Middle East (the Sykes-Picot agreements).

The British used a replay of the « Great Arab Revolt of 1915 » that Lawrence of Arabia had set up against the Ottomans. At that time, they had promised freedom to all Arabs if they would throw off the shackles of the Ottoman Empire and place the Wahhabites in power, This time they promised freedom if they would overthrow all their national governments and replace them with the Muslim Brotherhood. But neither in 1915, when the British Empire replaced the Ottoman Empire, nor in 2011, did the Arabs find their liberty. That was the « Arab Spring » plan of 2011 [11].

The French were seeking to re-establish the mandate on Syria which had been handed to them by the League of Nations. This was explained by Picot’s great-nephew (as in the Sykes-Picot agreements), ex- President Giscard d’Estaing [12]. And that is what President Hollande demanded during his visit to the United Nations, in September 2015. Just as in 1921, when France stood for the ethnic separation of the Kurds from the Arabs, it therefore defended the creation of a Kurdistan, not on its historic territory in Turkey, but anywhere, so long as it was on Arab land in Syria.

Turkey

As for Turkey, it dreamed of realising the promise of its founder, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the « National Pact » (Misak-ı Millî) [13], adopted by the Ottoman Parliament on 12 February 1920. Its intention was to annex Northern Syria, including Aleppo, and also to eliminate the Christians, including the Catholics in Maaloula and the Armenians in Kessab.

Turkey entered into conflict with the other allies – with the Israëlis because they sought to annex Northern Syria rather than making it autonomous – with the British because they wanted to re-establish the Ottoman Caliphate - and with the French because they sought to create an independent Kurdistan in Syria. Above all, it entered into conflict with the United States themselves because they made no secret of wanting to destroy Syria after having dismantled it [14].

How to escape from this war?

After seven years of combat, the Syrian state is still standing. The Syrian Arab Republic and its allies, Russia, Iran and the Hezbollah, are victorious. The foreign armies (the jihadists) have suffered a crushing defeat, but not their commanders – the United States, Israël, the United Kingdom, France and Turkey.

Not only has the war re-awoken the ambitions of the beginning of the 20th century, but none of the protagonists who have not paid for their defeat in blood are ready to abandon the fight.

It may seem stupid to want to start over with a war which has already been lost by the jihadists. The presence of the Russian army makes impossible any direct confrontation. Far from being eliminated, the Syrian population is now battle-hardened, ready to suffer even more hardship, and is much better armed than before. Above all, it has given the situation some serious thought, and is less manipulable than it was in 2011. However, just as before, Western political rhetoric has once again taken up its refrain « Bachar must go ».

Logically, therefore, the conflict will have to start again on another battle-field. While in the past, Admiral Cebrowski had planned to take the next stage of the war to Central Asia and the South-East, his successors will first have to finish the job in the Greater Middle East. They are currently studying the possibility of relighting the fire in Iraq, as we see with the spectacular about-face of the Rohani administration and the riots in Bassorah.

Thierry Meyssan
Translation
Pete Kimberley

[1] “The US military project for the world”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 22 August 2017.

[2] “Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act”, Voltaire Network, 12 December 2003.

[3] The Lebanese civil war (1978-90) ended with the Taif Agreement. At the request of the Arab League, and with the approbation of the UN Security Council, the Syrian Arab Army came to the assistance of the Lebanese army in disarming the militias, then, acting as a Peace Force, stabilised the country. Thereafter, Israël accused Syria of having occupied Lebanon, which makes no sense at all.

[4] “Revelations on Rafik Hariri’s assassination”, by Thierry Meyssan, Оdnako (Russia) , Voltaire Network, 29 November 2010.

[5] L’Effroyable Imposture, Tome 2, Thierry Meyssan, editions Alphee, 2007. This book, which is still today the best study concerning Israël’s war against Lebanon in 2006, will soon be re-published in French with a few updates. It is also available in Spanish. I do not recommend the Arab version, which is very poorly translated.

[6] Sui generis, in Latin « of its own kind », impossible to compare with anything else.

[7] “Billions of dollars’ worth of arms against Syria”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Pete Kimberley, Voltaire Network, 18 July 2017.

[8] According to an eye-witness, this is how we should understand the declaration of French Minister for Foreign Affairs, Laurent Fabius, at the « Friends of Syria » conference in Marrakech - « Al-Nusra is doing a good job » (in other words, our Al-Qaïda mercenaries are providing France and the Gulf Cooperation Council with the service for which we are paying them).

[9] “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties (The "Yinon Plan")”, by Oded Yinon, Translation Israel Shahak, Kivunim (Israel) , Voltaire Network, 1 February 1982.

[10] «A Clean Break, a New Strategy for Securing the Realm», Institute of Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, Jérusalem-Washington.

[11] Read the Foreign Office e-mails revealed, in 2005, by Derek Pasquill.

[12] « Il faut envoyer l’ONU pour pacifier la Syrie », Propos recueillis par Henri Vernet et Jannick Alimi, Le Parisien, 27 septembre 2015.

[13] “Misak-ı Milli Kararları”, Voltaire İletişim Ağı , 28 Ocak 1920.

[14] “Stability, America’s Ennemy”, Ralph Peters, Parameters, Winter 2001-02, pp. 5-20. « Blood borders : How a better Middle East would look », Ralph Peters, Armed Forces Journal, June 2006.

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[Jantje]

Trump isn’t so stupid that he can be fooled, but he is surrounded by enough swamp critters to be coerced and blackmailed into being the spokesman that pulls the trigger. Hysteria isn’t the best mindset for analysing geopolitics, it’s better to be the eye of the storm, gather as much data and opposing views as possible — from all directions. Figure out who precisely is pulling Trumps strings, otherwise, you may get Trump impeached, but the next President is still going to be handled by the same puppet masters, and you’ll just end up in the same hysterical merry-go-round of political activism regardless of who gets brought in to replace him.

Dig deeper, discover the roots of the problem, and shine the spotlight of injustice on the real war criminals. ...I know it isn't Trump, or isn't just Trump and this wasn't instigated by Trump - but Trump's in the thick of it and he's a zionist. The USA, INC. wants regional hegemony (and is happy to take it by force), but the takeover of Syria by the zionists is the major goal. The fact that Trump is zionist turns the volume of the alarms going off to "eleven."

We may know that there is someone behind the curtain, but then we clearly see that the US president - Trump - has ordered a hit on Syria. I'd say Trump is the only one that could stop it now. Call off the hit.

Direct, open plea to President Donald Trump: Please, call off the hit on Assad and Syria. We know they are innocent victims. Enough. You are the only one that can call off the hit now that you put it in play. Call off the hit. If you allow the takeover of Syria to happen, for zionist Israel, you will be a war criminal, and may be hanging by a noose at the Hague along with Hillary and Obama. I know you are a narcissistic person, so think about this: you'll always be remembered by what happens in Syria. You've been made the patsy. Why do you think the false flag "gas attacks" 3 times were so poorly executed and easily debunked. The zionist Deep State has set you up. You're the patsy, unless you put a stop to it. It's illegal, it's a war crime, its based on the world's flimsiest excuse for evidence, to make you look so stupid that you fell for it 3 times. They are mocking you. They are laughing at you. Zionist Israel wants Syria and Netanyahu manipulated the hell out of you. They know it's illegal, and only the "alpha male" nation can destroy Syria, so they - the zionists, like the PNAC zionists, are getting you to do it. That's why Israel didn't do it themselves. They got you to do it. Think about it. You're the patsy. Your only way out is to call off the hit on Syria.

This morning I heard the mainstream media in Belgium state that Trump/ the US, does not recognize the ICC in The Hague. Something to do with US soldiers to be put on trial for stuff that happened in Afghanistan. Probably not a coincedence.

When I heard about Trump tweeting about Syria and chemical weapons in the same sentence a few days ago, I knew there was something wrong.
It's the same old trick once again. The US (or Trump for that matter) is not the saviour of humanity and never will be.

[Mari]

What would be even worse is if US citizens fall for some flimsy-ass excuse to destroy and pillage a country, wave the flag, and go back to watching the football game[/I].

Now THAT would be the tragedy of tragedies - the world briefly stirs from its slumber, rubs its eyes, yawns & goes back to sleep again. Sadly, I believe that will happen, as there's simply not enough of us awake ones yet to tip the balance & those who are, will be pilloried by the zzzzzz's, as usual.

Having said that, hopeful signs over here in UK that the official narrative over the 'Russia responsible for the Salisbury Novichok poisonings' rubbish is now starting to be believed for what it is - total fabrication - yet another 'Russkie Bashing' by the Govt/intelligence services. This has really ramped up since they've produced the two 'culprits' - a couple of Russian 'spies' to 'prove it' - seven months after the event.
So - take heart, maybe the coming (?) false flag with Syria will be the one to tip the population right out of their beds & into a bucket of ice-cold water, as this one in the UK over Novichok seems to be doing!

[Mari]

Trump isn’t so stupid that he can be fooled, but he is surrounded by enough swamp critters to be coerced and blackmailed into being the spokesman that pulls the trigger. Hysteria isn’t the best mindset for analysing geopolitics, it’s better to be the eye of the storm, gather as much data and opposing views as possible — from all directions. Figure out who precisely is pulling Trumps strings, otherwise, you may get Trump impeached, but the next President is still going to be handled by the same puppet masters, and you’ll just end up in the same hysterical merry-go-round of political activism regardless of who gets brought in to replace him.

Dig deeper, discover the roots of the problem, and shine the spotlight of injustice on the real war criminals. The LaRouchepac report from yesterday stated a ‘cold-coup’ is underway to oust Trump because Trump is putting America first and not following orders from ‘The City of London’, like all other Presidents before him have done. It’s worth paying attention to all the angles and lines of enquiry before sending out the lynch mobs. Otherwise the stooge gets hung and the real culprits flee and live to plot another day.

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Well said, that's the way its always been: get the populace to hurl stones at 'the bad boy' via a compliant media, chuck a few others onto a righteous bonfire - yeah, shine the spotlight very brightly there so no-one looks into the shadows...

[Mari]

Surely you cannot possibly be referring to our rogue savior Trump, who is currently working via coded messages with the Qanon researchers - the ones who are even now, as we speak, waiting for that swamp draining to get underway. We are most certainly on the brink of draining now. It will happen soon, and will be timed to coincide with UFO disclosure.

Take heart. Have Faith. Keep Waiting. A



Yeah - don't we just love that word 'soon'.......:whistle:

[Hervé]

Filming of staged chemical attack in Syrian Idlib begins - Russian MoD (https://www.rt.com/news/438158-staged-chemical-attack-idlib/)

RT
Published time: 11 Sep, 2018 11:25
Edited time: 11 Sep, 2018 12:10
Get short URL (https://on.rt.com/9e32)


https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.09/article/5b97afd9fc7e93725d8b4603.jpg
FILE PHOTO. Aftermath of an alleged chemical weapons attack in Eastern Ghouta in April 2018. © White Helmets / Reuters


Footage, meant to serve as proof that the Syrian government has conducted a chemical weapons attack in Idlib, Syria, is to be handed to global news outlets by the end of Tuesday, the Russian military claims.


https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.09/thumbnail/5b93b2e4dda4c8720a8b45eb.jpg (https://www.rt.com/news/437953-idlib-syria-attack-terrorists/)
FILE PHOTO: A man tries an improvised gas mask in Idlib, Syria © Khalil Ashawi / Reuters

Several Middle East TV channels and a US news channel have been sent to Jisr al-Shughur in Syria’s Idlib Governorate to produce the footage needed for the provocation, a statement by the Russian Center for Syrian Reconciliation said. It added the intelligence came from local residents of Jisr al-Shughur.

“All the footage of the staged provocation in Jisr al-Shughur is to be delivered to the newsrooms of TV channels, which are to broadcast it after its publication on social media,” the statement claimed.

It also said that an Islamist group was provided with two canisters of a “chlorine-based chemical” for the purpose of the operation.

The Russian military said the footage would include scenes of White Helmets operatives treating supposed victims of an apparent barrel bomb chemical weapon attack by Damascus.

Moscow has repeatedly warned that a false flag chemical weapon attack was being prepared in Idlib, giving the US and its allies justification to attack Syrian government forces. Senior US officials have threatened (https://www.rt.com/usa/438107-bolton-syria-response-stronger/) Damascus with retaliation if it uses chemical weapons in Idlib and even preemptively assigned the blame for any such attack to the government.


Related:
Terrorists & White Helmets met in Idlib to prep for final stage false flag chem attack – Russian MoD (https://www.rt.com/news/437953-idlib-syria-attack-terrorists/)

Nikki Haley discovers psychic powers, knows exactly who will use chemical weapons in Syria (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=1246384&viewfull=1#post1246384)

[Ascension]

Unfortunately, this thread is preaching to the choir. The pattern is easily recognizable to many Avalonians.

Is there anything we can do? Can we find mainstream articles and flood the comment sections with the truth?

Can we organize an effort to do something immediately??

I feel sick to my stomach again.

If one person posts the truth about a false flag on a mainstream article, it's likely to be labeled "conspiracy nuttiness", but if multiple people follow suit, there is a chance that someone might listen? Like lemmings jumping on the bandwagon.

[Baby Steps]

Unfortunately, this thread is preaching to the choir. The pattern is easily recognizable to many Avalonians.

Is there anything we can do? Can we find mainstream articles and flood the comment sections with the truth?

Can we organize an effort to do something immediately??

I feel sick to my stomach again.

If one person posts the truth about a false flag on a mainstream article, it's likely to be labeled "conspiracy nuttiness", but if multiple people follow suit, there is a chance that someone might listen? Like lemmings jumping on the bandwagon.

The game that RT is playing is to release as much as they can, as soon as they can. The closer to the eventual looming false flag that they get to, the harder the media in the West have to work to sell this attack as real. Therefore it is about sending out predictions of the potential attack on social media.

This ties in with Q who are calling now for a meme war. (regarding the FISA abuses & spy gate).

I personally am complying with both. Many friends think that I have finally gone completely nuts, however now may be the time.

[Dennis Leahy]

Luke Radkowski along with "Partisan Girl" (Maram Susli) on the current Syrian situation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFTf3X5t0uE

[Baby Steps]

Germany considering joining if a chemical attack occurs:


Germany mulls joining US-led airstrikes in Syria – report
A report suggests Germany's Bundeswehr could soon be called upon to take part in airstrikes on Syria, if another chemical attack were to occur. While Angela Merkel's CDU supports the idea, others remain wary.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-mulls-joining-us-led-airstrikes-in-syria-report/a-45424607

[Dennis Leahy]

I want to know exactly who the "unnamed US officials" are. Full names and addresses, so that a warrant for their arrest can be instigated. This is a war crime.



"Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has allegedly approved the use of chlorine gas in an offensive against Idlib, the last major militant stronghold left in the country, according to unnamed US officials, cited by the Wall Street Journal "

[Ascension]

In 2013, OPCW was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, in large part for their work in dismantling the (alleged) Syrian stockpile of chemical weapons.

http://www.un.org/en/sections/nobel-peace-prize/organisation-prohibition-chemical-weapons-opcw/index.html

Now, we are supposed to believe that Assad turned right around and began stockpiling them again for use on his own people right under the watchful eyes of the OPCW?

Perhaps the OPCW's ability to act as a watchdog has crumbled. Perhaps that peace prize needs to be rescinded. They've apparently failed to maintain vigilance.:facepalm:

[Dennis Leahy]

I needed to quickly reference something about the geography of Syria and neighboring states, and went to my trusty "StartPage" (The world's most private search engine... hmmmmm) and typed in

syria map

I asked for a map of Syria. What do you guess I found in the search engine results?

http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/PropagandaAgainstSyriaMap4.jpg

Search results #1 and #3 are Deep State propaganda - there is and never was a "civil war" in Syria. Did you know that? Seriously, did you know that there was no civil war in Syria, only an overthrow attempt by the zionist Deep State and the zionist state of Israel?

If you already knew, then you understand that the search results are DELIBERATE PROPAGANDA, Deep State lies, Deep State control of the narrative. If you do not know this to be fact, you have some research to do.

[Dennis Leahy]

Russia (MOD) has said that they have indications that the filming of the fake chemical attack would be turned over to news outlets at the end of day today.

Be ready for it, be ready to counter it with the truth.

[Dennis Leahy]

https://www.rt.com/news/438158-staged-chemical-attack-idlib/


Footage, meant to serve as proof that the Syrian government has conducted a chemical weapons attack in Idlib, Syria, is to be handed to global news outlets by the end of Tuesday, the Russian military claims.

Several Middle East TV channels and a US news channel have been sent to Jisr al-Shughur in Syria’s Idlib Governorate to produce the footage needed for the provocation, a statement by the Russian Center for Syrian Reconciliation said. It added the intelligence came from local residents of Jisr al-Shughur.



Terrorists & White Helmets met in Idlib to prep for final stage false flag chem attack – Russian MoD (https://www.rt.com/news/437953-idlib-syria-attack-terrorists/)

“All the footage of the staged provocation in Jisr al-Shughur is to be delivered to the newsrooms of TV channels, which are to broadcast it after its publication on social media,” the statement claimed.

It also said that an Islamist group was provided with two canisters of a “chlorine-based chemical” for the purpose of the operation.

The Russian military said the footage would include scenes of White Helmets operatives treating supposed victims of an apparent barrel bomb chemical weapon attack by Damascus.

Moscow has repeatedly warned that a false flag chemical weapon attack was being prepared in Idlib, giving the US and its allies justification to attack Syrian government forces. Senior US officials have threatened (https://www.rt.com/usa/438107-bolton-syria-response-stronger/) Damascus with retaliation if it uses chemical weapons in Idlib and even preemptively assigned the blame for any such attack to the government.

[ThePythonicCow]

https://www.rt.com/news/438158-staged-chemical-attack-idlib/


Footage, meant to serve as proof that the Syrian government has conducted a chemical weapons attack in Idlib, Syria, is to be handed to global news outlets by the end of Tuesday, the Russian military claims.
Thank-you, Dennis. Leave the bastards no rest, no escape from their wickedness.

[ThePythonicCow]

https://www.rt.com/news/438158-staged-chemical-attack-idlib/


Footage, meant to serve as proof that the Syrian government has conducted a chemical weapons attack in Idlib, Syria, is to be handed to global news outlets by the end of Tuesday, the Russian military claims.

Thank-you, Dennis. Leave the bastards no rest, no escape from their wickedness.
Over on this (somewhat unrelated) thread, the Avalon member "honesty" reports that "the Turks stepped up to stop the next phase of the war (e.g., false flag chemical attack in Syria)": http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1247808&viewfull=1#post1247808

I do not know which of the various conflicting reports we've seen, regarding a possible chemical attack in Syria, if any of these reports, is valid.

[yelik]

Don't forget last time they bombed an abandoned airfield probably agreed with Russia and Syria - lots of smoke and mirrors going on.

Trump is very much a moving target and hard to read, perhaps he's just trying to survive a bit longer. we can only judge these political puppets, professional actors and clowns on whether their actions match what comes out of their mouth - sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Thanks Dennis for sounding the alarms!

I was wondering if anyone had ideas on how Russia announcing this ahead of time benefits the Russians?

[Baby Steps]

Thanks Dennis for sounding the alarms!

I was wondering if anyone had ideas on how Russia announcing this ahead of time benefits the Russians?

My take-Russians are trying to get the Idlib pocket closed down. They have managed to get the Syrians, Iranians, & Turks into a hopefully united front to do this. It is very urgent for them because there is an undisclosed number of US Marines, British special forces and, shall we call them UK/USA/Israel irregulars - A.K.A. Isis, there. As long as these groups are there, peace in Syria, and the survival of the Syrian state in its current form are far from guaranteed.

The only way these insurgent forces and their western support can ramp up this nearly-finished horror is to involve the West in air attacks. The only way to do that is to have a chemical attack. Therefore the Western-backed elements HAVE TO do this soon. The Russians do not want this. As it could lead EASILY to hot confrontation between western forces and Russian forces. The two main ways to stop it are

a) Go in and wipe out the people trying to pull it off
b) Flood the media with predictions & evidence, so that western public perception struggles to accept the false western narrative that Assad did it.

It is interesting to see how these days information war is so intertwined with physical war. It really reminds of the Hunger Games Movies.

There is a cease fire in force - Russian implemented, so I would say we are on a hair trigger.

[Bubu]

Trump isn’t so stupid that he can be fooled, but he is surrounded by enough swamp critters to be coerced and blackmailed into being the spokesman that pulls the trigger. Hysteria isn’t the best mindset for analysing geopolitics, it’s better to be the eye of the storm, gather as much data and opposing views as possible — from all directions. Figure out who precisely is pulling Trumps strings, otherwise, you may get Trump impeached, but the next President is still going to be handled by the same puppet masters, and you’ll just end up in the same hysterical merry-go-round of political activism regardless of who gets brought in to replace him.

Dig deeper, discover the roots of the problem, and shine the spotlight of injustice on the real war criminals. ...I know it isn't Trump, or isn't just Trump and this wasn't instigated by Trump - but Trump's in the thick of it and he's a zionist. The USA, INC. wants regional hegemony (and is happy to take it by force), but the takeover of Syria by the zionists is the major goal. The fact that Trump is zionist turns the volume of the alarms going off to "eleven."

We may know that there is someone behind the curtain, but then we clearly see that the US president - Trump - has ordered a hit on Syria. I'd say Trump is the only one that could stop it now. Call off the hit.

Direct, open plea to President Donald Trump: Please, call off the hit on Assad and Syria. We know they are innocent victims. Enough. You are the only one that can call off the hit now that you put it in play. Call off the hit. If you allow the takeover of Syria to happen, for zionist Israel, you will be a war criminal, and may be hanging by a noose at the Hague along with Hillary and Obama. I know you are a narcissistic person, so think about this: you'll always be remembered by what happens in Syria. You've been made the patsy. Why do you think the false flag "gas attacks" 3 times were so poorly executed and easily debunked. The zionist Deep State has set you up. You're the patsy, unless you put a stop to it. It's illegal, it's a war crime, its based on the world's flimsiest excuse for evidence, to make you look so stupid that you fell for it 3 times. They are mocking you. They are laughing at you. Zionist Israel wants Syria and Netanyahu manipulated the hell out of you. They know it's illegal, and only the "alpha male" nation can destroy Syria, so they - the zionists, like the PNAC zionists, are getting you to do it. That's why Israel didn't do it themselves. They got you to do it. Think about it. You're the patsy. Your only way out is to call off the hit on Syria.

Calling off the hit to syria could be calling on the hit on him
Or worst his family. Trump does not seem to be a "hero" material. And then wath is next replace him with a new puppet. The only that keeps him as. President is becuase he is obedient. The only ones who can stop america from being use by the zionist is to wake up thecorrupted military industrial complex. I'll most hope of usa to escape from being a puppet country is with the american people those corrupted military men are your brothers son father or friends.
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[Hervé]

[...]
I was wondering if anyone had ideas on how Russia announcing this ahead of time benefits the Russians?
The prequels:



[...]
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Russia has learnt the hard lessons from MH17 and, this time, Russia is taking pre-emptive measures in telling who, what and where so as to prevent spending its time to provide evidence and denying... denying... denying... time for the US, UK and France to be cornered into providing those evidence and doing the denials.
Well, it seems I was wrong since the US have a "One-Upmanship" over the Russian, thanks to their in-house psychic:

Nikki Haley discovers psychic powers, knows exactly who will use chemical weapons in Syria (https://www.rt.com/usa/437737-haley-idlib-chemical-attack/)

RT (https://www.rt.com/usa/437737-haley-idlib-chemical-attack/)
Thu, 06 Sep 2018 17:51 UTC
[...]
With the downing of MH17, "sanctions" were immediately imposed on Russia on alleged evidences which were never provided.

Russia and Iran have been documenting the kidnapping of children and adult civilians as well as the transport of chlorine containers and assorted chemicals needed to concoct some sort of mustard gas - to the Idlib region - all by the western-backed terrorists.

With such documentation, the western "coalition" cannot invoke "sanctions" or "retaliation" for the bombing of Syrian targets and would have to deny that such actions are being a bona fide false flag to trigger an act of war, by direct aggression, on Syria.

[Hervé]

Russian military: White Helmets have shot at least nine chemical weapons videos & are staging rehearsals of alleged chemical attack (https://www.rt.com/news/438282-white-helmets-film-chemical-attacks/)

RT (https://www.rt.com/news/438282-white-helmets-film-chemical-attacks/)
Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:25 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s24/487666/large/5b992161dda4c82c6c8b45b1.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s24/487666/full/5b992161dda4c82c6c8b45b1.jpg)
The aftermath of what White Helmets group claims was a suspected chemical attack in Douma, April, 7, 2018 © Reuters / Reuters


The White Helmets have shot at least nine videos intended to serve as proof in accusations that the Syrian government conducted a chemical weapon attack using chlorine against civilians in Idlib, the Russian military claims.

A number of Middle Eastern TV channels and a regional affiliate of a US broadcaster "have shot nine videos, in Jisr al-Shughur city in Idlib province, of a staged chemical attack" that will be blamed on the Syrian government, the Russian Reconciliation Center In Syria said in a statement on Wednesday.

All videos show activists from the White Helmets group, which purportedly provides assistance to civilians, the statement claims.

The Russian military details that on September 11, the White Helmets and terrorists from Tahrir al-Sham (commonly known as Al-Qaeda in Syria) held a meeting following the filming process, in which they selected two out of nine videos for future transfer to the United Nations and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). The remaining videos are to be used for propaganda on social media networks due to the poor quality, the military claims.

At the same time, since September 9, the White Helmets have been staging rehearsals of an alleged chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun, Russian officials say in the same statement, claiming that the rehearsals feature up to 30 civilians, including a dozen children aged 8-12.


Related:

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham militants dig huge tunnel network, plan chemical weapons provocations in Idlib (https://www.sott.net/article/395075-Hayat-Tahrir-al-Sham-militants-dig-huge-tunnel-network-plan-chemical-weapons-provocations-in-Idlib)
Syria's al-Jaafari delivers evidence to UN Showing Idlib terrorists prepare to stage "false flag" chemical attack (https://www.sott.net/article/394780-Syrias-al-Jaafari-delivers-evidence-to-UN-Showing-Idlib-terrorists-prepare-to-stage-false-flag-chemical-attack)
Syrian Foreign Minister warns White Helmets kidnapped 44 children to stage chemical attack in Idlib (https://www.sott.net/article/394781-Syrian-Foreign-Minister-warns-White-Helmets-kidnapped-44-children-to-stage-chemical-attack-in-Idlib)

[Hervé]

Report to Bundestag: joining strike against Syria would break international and Constitutional law (https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/report-to-bundestag-joining-strike-against-syria-would-break-international-and-constitutional-law/)

FRN
By Tom Winter (https://www.fort-russ.com/author/tom-winter/)
Last updated Sep 11, 2018

"The participation of Germany in a military action that is in violation of international law can never be constitutional."


https://dxhb0it26is40.cloudfront.net/productimages/tornado-gr1-german-ids-livery-pack_15_ss_m_150821132057.jpg
German involvement in Syria would be based on using Tornados


RT Deutsch: (https://deutsch.rt.com/inland/75897-bundestags-gutachten-syrien-einsatz-bundeswehr-verstoss-voelkerrecht/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications)
Report: A Bundeswehr deployment in Syria would be a violation of international law and the Basic Law

Politically, the Bundeswehr is still arguing about possible military retaliatory strikes in Syria. Legally, the situation seems to be pretty clear according to a recent report. On Wednesday, the Bundestag will take up the issue.

An involvement of the Bundeswehr in a military action in Syria would violate both international law and the Basic Law according to a Bundestag Scientific Service report.

As a result, any involvement of the Bundeswehr in an action by the Allies in Syria in the form of ‘retaliation’ against poison gas use would be contrary to international law and unconstitutional,” states the 10-page expertise drafted for the German parliament on Monday against the background of the current debate, and published by the German Press Agency.

Proceedings of the Western powers in April were classified as contrary to international law
On Monday, it had become known that the defense ministry is considering a German involvement in a “retaliatory” action if the government forces of Bashar al-Assad were to commit a poison gas attack during the reconquest of the jihadist stronghold of Idlib. In April, following an alleged use of chemical warfare agents in Syria, Germany did not participate in the bombardment by the US, Britain, and France.

Even then, the Scientific Service of the Bundestag had classified the actions of the Western powers as contrary to international law. The assessment that a Bundeswehr involvement would violate the Basic Law, on the other hand, is new.

The parliamentary mandate of such a Bundeswehr deployment would then be unnecessary, since the Bundestag may only mandate foreign missions, based on a viable constitutional and international legal basis,” it says in the report.

In the view of the Scientists of the Bundestag, the government should therefore not submit such an intervention to parliament for parliamentary approval. SPD leader Andrea Nahles has already given such an intervention a political rejection. Several politicians of the Union and the FDP, however, have pleaded for keeping the option open.

“If there would also be a use of poison gas in Idlib, Germany would have to ask our friends’ requests for support very seriously, especially if our skills are requested,” said the foreign policy spokesman for the Union faction in the Bundestag, Jürgen Hardt, according to the Passauer Neue Presse.

His party colleague Norbert Röttgen told the newspapers of the Funke media group: “Germany should consider participating in a military operation in Syria with its allies USA, France, and Great Britain under certain conditions.” Röttgen is Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Bundestag, which has the lead in mandating Bundeswehr operations.
https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/report-to-bundestag-joining-strike-against-syria-would-break-international-and-constitutional-law/ (https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/report-to-bundestag-joining-strike-against-syria-would-break-international-and-constitutional-law/)
The Federal government has not categorically excluded anything
The Greens also do not want to exclude intervention by the Bundeswehr completely. For its part, the Federal Government has not categorically excluded participation in a military operation. So far, however, it has not yet made it own legal assessment of the air strikes of the Western powers in April. For the first opinion of the Scientific Service on the subject the government is silent.

The destroyer USS Ross was deployed to Syria during US military strikes last year. Will it again be firing it cruise missiles at the Arab country?

The experts for the Bundestag emphasize the following points in particular:
International reprisals in the form of military retaliatory strikes are basically inadmissible. This applies even if a government has violated a central standard of international law, as would be the case with the use of chemical weapons.

Support of acts contrary to international law is itself contrary to international law
Britain’s argument that it is a “humanitarian intervention” to protect the civilian population does not count for the Scientific Service, because bombing was first and foremost about enforcing the ban on chemical weapons and not about protecting the population.

As for compatibility with the Basic Law, the scientists write:
The participation of Germany in a military action in violation of international law can never be constitutional.
German authorities should not “participate in a violation of third countries against general rules of international law”. According to the scientists, it does not matter whether German Tornado or Eurofighter jets drop bombs on Syria or fire missiles. “The (mere) military-logistical support of such a military mission would also be contrary to the law of state responsibility as supporting a violation of international law which itself is a violation of international law.” On Wednesday, the defense committee of the Bundestag wants to deal with the topic. In the afternoon, the topics of foreign affairs and defense will be on the agenda in Parliament’s budget debate. Here, too, Syria will play a central role.

https://cdn5.img.sputniknews.com/images/106793/82/1067938246.jpg

[Fellow Aspirant]

The Russian propaganda machine is pumping out yet another pile of lies regarding the White Helmets. The Russians are very good at this, and they've had years of practice. But in this case, the agency does not even have to create its own images. All it has to do is "cut 'n' paste" professionally created images from a film.

from Snopes, a very detailed explanation -

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-this-proof-white-helmets-staged-chemical-attack/


Proof the White Helmets ‘Staged’ a Chemical Attack in Syria?

Images purportedly proving that the White Helmets staged a chemical attack in Syria are actually stills from a movie set.
CLAIM

A series of images "prove" that the White Helmets "staged" a chemical attack in Syria.

RATING

False

ORIGIN

A volunteer group of search and rescue workers called the Syria Civil Defense group — better known as the White Helmets — is frequently subjected to unfounded conspiracy theories, such as the claim that the group “stages” various acts of violence using “crisis actors.”

These accusations were superficially bolstered by a set of images which purportedly showed the group staging a chemical attack in Douma, Syria in April 2018. Dean McGonigle, a congressional candidate running for Nevada District 4, helped promote this theory:

Here’s a better look at the images involved in this rumor:

Although these images do feature actors, they are not of the “crisis” variety. These photographs were taken on the set of the Syrian movie “فيلم رجل الثورة” or Revolution Man, and they have been on the Internet since at least 24 February 2018 (more than a month before the alleged chemical attack in Douma) when they were posted to the movie’s Facebook page.

The belief that the White Helmets or similar groups are staging chemical attacks in Syria is not one exclusively held by conspiracy theorists or the uninformed. It is parroting Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad’s line that crisis actors were used to stage a terrorist attack in April 2017 and claims that a photograph of a young child in the aftermath of an airstrike on Aleppo had been forged. Assad’s regime also denied using chemical weapons in Douma.

Revolution Man pushes a similar idea. A news report from Sana about the premiere of the film, which was supported by the Syrian Cultural Ministry, explained that the movie is about a photojournalist who resorts to staging a chemical attack in an effort to win a Pulitzer Prize after he sneaks into Syria to take photographs of the war:


The film revolves around a journalist who enters Syria illegally in order to take pictures and videos of the war in Syria in search of fame and international prizes, and after failing to reach his goal, he resorts to helping the terrorists to fabricate an incident using chemical materials, with the aim of turning his photos into a global event.

In other words, photographs from a film set about a man staging a chemical attack are being used by conspiracy theorists (and Russian state media) as evidence that a chemical attack was actually staged. (Although the controversial film does acknowledge that chemical attacks take place in Syria, it places the blame on foreigners and activist groups — such as the White Helmets.)

Another set of images frequently associated with the claim that the White Helmets were caught staging a chemical attack also made their way around the internet after the incident in Douma:

These images have been online since 2016, and show members of the White Helmets filming a “mannequin challenge” video. A spokesperson for the group told the BBC that the video was never officially sanctioned and that the members demonstrated poor judgement and opened the group up to criticism:

“The video and the related posts were recorded by RFS media with Syria Civil Defence (White Helmets) volunteers, who hoped to create a connection between the horror of Syria and the outside world, using the viral Mannequin Challenge,” the statement read.

“This was an error of judgement, and we apologise on behalf of the volunteers involved.

“The video was not shared on our official channels, and we took immediate action to discipline those involved and prevent incidents such as this from happening again.

“Our volunteers are committed to saving lives by responding to, and reporting, war crimes in Syria.

“This leaves us open to attacks, not just from the bombs but from those who seek to silence us for telling the truth.”

Brian

[Dennis Leahy]

Brian/Fellow Aspirant

If you posted that to show once again that 'Snopes' is a fraud and a CIA asset, well, that didn't come through.

If, on the other hand, you believe this is true, please start a thread about your belief that the white helmets are good guys. Maybe another thread about believing Snopes.

[ThePythonicCow]

If, on the other hand, you believe this is true, please start a thread about your belief that the white helmets are good guys. Maybe another thread about believing Snopes.
Once again, Dennis, you have demonstrated that you would be far better suited to being a moderator on this forum than I am. My tongue is too sharp, and my restraint too shallow.

Thanks for the good suggestions to Brian/Fellow Aspirant.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Brian/Fellow Aspirant

If you posted that to show once again that 'Snopes' is a fraud and a CIA asset, well, that didn't come through.

If, on the other hand, you believe this is true, please start a thread about your belief that the white helmets are good guys. Maybe another thread about believing Snopes.

Actually, Dennis, my post was to demonstrate that there is a basic truth to the White Helmet reality with respect to the ongoing Russian/Syrian collusion. In other words, I am not among those who have drunk from the ocean of Kool-Aid proffered by the Russian propaganda machine. I much prefer the work of established western news organizations (including Snopes) to ANYTHING with the letters RT attached. It is my belief that Putin and Assad are committing war crimes against Syrian civilians. Nea, they have committed, are continuing to commit and will in the future commit crimes against humanity.

The issue here is not whether the White Hats are "good guys". (Clearly, to me at least, they bring desperately needed humanitarian aid.) The issue is whether or not one believes the lies being told by TPTB in order to prepare the way for the coming atrocities in Idlib. The propaganda campaign is a small prophylactic against possible complaints by people in civilized countries who object to the ongoing extermination of thousands of innocent civilians who are the collateral damage as Assad prosecutes his war against a few thousand rebels.

The issue of whether the White Hats actually exist has been hashed out on this board for quite some time and, as far as I can see, is polarized into two irreconcilable camps. Your invitation to me to wade further into this quagmire is not, in my view, a genuine request for further dialogue, but merely a way to deflect my criticism into yet another swamp of claims and counterclaims from which there is no realistic hope of resolution. So, thanks but no thanks.

The antipathy towards Snopes is another well established phenomenon around here; Paul in particular having a long history of bearing a torch for the pitchfork wielding mob. Why would I ever start such a thread? It would be immediately howled down and stuffed into one of the existing areas of such contention. I have extensively researched this organization and its critics and have come up with no credible proof of it being allied with the C.I.A. or any other deep state organization. As such, I will continue to cite its information in my dealings with the truth.

We will have to agree to disagree, I think. And for this stance I offer no links or research or quotations. I am entitled to my fully formed opinion, and so are you.

Brian

P.S. Way to pile on, Paul.

[Hervé]

MP attacked for urging UK not to rely on 'intel from terrorists' in event of a Syrian 'chemical attack' (https://www.rt.com/uk/438267-thornberry-idlib-syria-chemical/)

RT (https://www.rt.com/uk/438267-thornberry-idlib-syria-chemical/)
Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:32 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s24/487825/large/5b98fc55fc7e93eb2d8b457a.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s24/487825/full/5b98fc55fc7e93eb2d8b457a.jpg)
New Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) members. August 14, 2018 © OMAR HAJ KADOUR / AFP


Labour's Emily Thornberry has come under fire on social media for simply asking the UK government not to rely on "open source intelligence from terrorist groups" in the event of a reported chemical attack in Syria.

Thornberry, Labour's shadow foreign secretary, asked the government if they would consult Parliament before taking military action over reports of chemical weapon attacks in areas controlled by Al-Qaeda proxy Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), a US-proscribed terrorist organization.

This prompted hysterical responses on social media, with one Twitter user claiming: "This is UK Labour guided by the spirit of Thomas Mair" - the far-right activist who murdered Thornberry's fellow Labour MP Jo Cox. Another accused Thornberry of providing cover for Syrian President Bashar Assad's alleged crimes.




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/891804610939191296/b6L3B4yE_bigger.jpg Emily Thornberry‏Verified account @EmilyThornberry (https://twitter.com/EmilyThornberry)

In the Commons today, I said that - if there are reports of a chemical weapons attack in Idlib over the coming weeks - the government must ensure the reports are independently verified and that Parliament has given its approval, before escalating British involvement in the war.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmvz87kWwAE1Nul.jpg

9:42 AM - 10 Sep 2018
516 replies 1,671 retweets 3,229 likes There were numerous references to this news organization, with accusations Thornberry was doing the work of "propaganda" outlets such as RT and Sputnik. There was even a charge of "genocide denying" leveled at the MP.

In turn, Thornberry's position drew levels of support from both left-wing and right-wing critics of UK military involvement in Syria. While former Labour MP, George Galloway backed her, warning that the British government may use parliament's recess to "take advantage" (https://www.rt.com/uk/438295-syria-galloway-tony-blair/) of the situation.




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2451450991/neil_clark_bigger.png Neil Clark‏Verified account @NeilClark66 (https://twitter.com/NeilClark66)

If you think about it logically, there’d be no motive for Assad to use CW in #Idlib (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Idlib?src=hash), knowing it wld b the one thing that could jeopardise his victory.But there’d be a real motive for his enemies to claim such an attack.Which explains neocon anger over Emily Thornberry’s statement

2:32 PM - 11 Sep 2018
34 replies 508 retweets 914 likes HTS are thought to have some 10,000 fighters in the last rebel stronghold - Idlib province, a region in Syria's northwest along the Turkish border.

Upon reports of a potential chemical attack, Thornberry urged the UK to wait "until the chemical weapons inspectors, the OPCW [Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons], have visited those sites under the protection of the Turkish government, independently verified those reports and attributed responsibility for any chemical weapons used.
"Relying on so-called open source intelligence provided by proscribed terrorist groups is not an acceptable alternative,"she said.

Related:

White Helmets coordinating with al-Nusra to stage chemical attack in Idlib, aiming to accuse Syrian army (https://www.sott.net/article/394142-White-Helmets-coordinating-with-al-Nusra-to-stage-chemical-attack-in-Idlib-aiming-to-accuse-Syrian-army)
Sy Hersh interview with RT UK: 'White Helmets are propaganda organization that engages in anti-Assad activities' (https://www.sott.net/article/389782-Sy-Hersh-White-Helmets-are-propaganda-organization-who-engage-in-anti-Assad-activities)
Terrorists & White Helmets met in Idlib to prep for final stage false flag chem attack according to Russian MoD (https://www.sott.net/article/395420-Terrorists-White-Helmets-met-in-Idlib-to-prep-for-final-stage-false-flag-chem-attack-according-to-Russian-MoD)

[Praxis]

Dennis,

Keep up the great work. Way to be outspoken against war even though it is not popular opinion here.

I make me so happy to see you doing this!

[ichingcarpenter]

Corbett Report Trump Cabal Threatens Syria With A Chemical False Flag - #


JIS_QcDips0

[Dennis Leahy]

Brian/Fellow Aspirant

If you posted that to show once again that 'Snopes' is a fraud and a CIA asset, well, that didn't come through.

If, on the other hand, you believe this is true, please start a thread about your belief that the white helmets are good guys. Maybe another thread about believing Snopes.

Actually, Dennis, my post was to demonstrate that there is a basic truth to the White Helmet reality with respect to the ongoing Russian/Syrian collusion. In other words, I am not among those who have drunk from the ocean of Kool-Aid proffered by the Russian propaganda machine. I much prefer the work of established western news organizations (including Snopes) to ANYTHING with the letters RT attached. It is my belief that Putin and Assad are committing war crimes against Syrian civilians. Nea, they have committed, are continuing to commit and will in the future commit crimes against humanity.

...

We will have to agree to disagree, I think. And for this stance I offer no links or research or quotations. I am entitled to my fully formed opinion, and so are you.

Brian

P.S. Way to pile on, Paul.
Brian,

I completely agree with you that if you started a thread about believing that "Snopes" is truthful or valid, that you would get creamed. You'd be in a terrible position, and people would cite just a few of the outrageous lies - supportive of the US government/deep state narrative - that the snopes duo have generated, which shows that they are completely aligned with the deep state, for example and as a baseline, the official 9/11 narrative. The worst part for you is that you'd have no ammo to retaliate. You wouldn't be able to provide any examples - at all - of any major political or geopolitical stories/"debunkings" done by snopes that are true, but you'd find plenty that echoes mainstream media, which (Operation Mockingbird) is a tool of the CIA and other Deep State agencies. You'd be crucified. You'd look like a terribly naive person, however sincere.

It appears that the dnc/deep state "Russiagate" false-flag got you. Barry, Killary, and TheBern, all spewing anti-Russia nonsense, risking "hot" war with Russia and stoking the cold war (which is fully orgasmic to the military-security industrial complex, cha-ching!) It appears that you didn't get that the PNAC republican duopoly neocons surrounding w bush (who we know were all among the perpetrators of the 9/11 false-flag) codified the plan ("7 countries in 5 years") to take out Syria at least as early as 2001, before Bashar al Assad became Syria's president, and you missed the hand-off of the deep state baton to democrat duopoly obomber, who articulately and glibly turned it up to eleven in the Middle East, taking out/murdering Libya's leader and destroying one of the named 7 countries plus training, arming, supporting, protecting ISIS/IS/ISIL/alNusra/alQaeda mercenary terrorists hired to destroy Syria, and you missed the baton being passed to republican duopoly trump who is following the exact same deep state plan. That's a lot to miss. In your defense, there are obviously a bunch of people here at Avalon that also refuse to see the handoff from obummer to trump. It's a partisan disease, which is why I mentioned the dnc. Adherents to the rnc propaganda are just as lost in partisan BS, but the new anti-Russia deep state crap was from the dnc wing of the duopoly. So, Russia (RT) is off your list of trusted news sources... You already declared who you do believe (mainstream news and snopes), but I am going to ask you to do some homework. There are a few citizens that went to Syria to find out for themselves whether the US government/deep state/nikkki haley are telling the truth, that Assad is a monster, the Syrian people hate him and his wife and want them dead, and that Assad inexplicably keeps murdering/gassing a few civilians in celebration of ridding sections of his country of US-backed terrorists - just as cnn/fox/nbc/cbs/msnbc/the wall street journal, new york times, etc. has been drumming. The homework I would assign - only if you really want to know, to have an informed opinion - would be to read the words and watch the videos of two women that have gone to Syria to find out for themselves, and to report back to the world: Vanessa Beeley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amUGvZJl15k) and Eva Bartlett (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYs0_kT36Q). I made each of their names into links to (kinda randomly selected) videos on youtube, but please don't stop there.

KiwiElf posted a meme, I think in the q adherents thread, that correctly stated that opinions are not to be given equal weight to informed opinions. Another way I have heard this expressed is that if one person says it is raining and another person says it is not, we should not give equal weight to their opinions and instead, step outdoors and find out. Your opinions that the "white helmets" are humanitarian rescuers, and that snopes is a valid source of truth, are demonstrably wrong, and have been proven to be wrong. I'd recommend taking your television set to the nearest window, and throwing it out, unless you want to continue to bathe in the deep state lies and lies of omission that the mainstream "news" corporations pump out. Finding real sources of truth requires diligent searching and keen discernment. If, after your diligent search, you still lean on rachel maddow and wolf blitzer and brian williams (all of whom have been proven to be liars) and their ilk for the truth, I would ask you not to debate that issue in this thread, but rather dare to make those into separate topics in threads about them and their veracity.

[norman]

I'm not thanking Dennis's post just because he's sticking it to Brian, honest. I'm thanking it because it's a powerfully expressed and succinct good grasp of how the machine has worked for a very long time.


The handover to Trump gets a bit more complex, in my view. To get as good a grasp on that, one has to get informed in a much more up to date state of the situation than continually rolling out the PNAC scenario that was effectively buried and out of the fight since 2013.


Iran pre 2013 and Iran post 2013 are two quite different offers. I'll admit I'm not absolutely sure I know all the factors but I know that a game changing deal was made directly between two factions of the bloodlines that bypassed everyone below them, who just had to nod and deliver what was asked and expected of them. Part of that deal was the immediate about-turn in Egypt where the Muslim Brotherhood bunch who were only just getting their feet under the table of power when they were yanked out of there again on the insistence of the Iranian side of the deal. Another sign of the deal was the audacious air bombing of the 2nd in command in Syrian intel' right there in his office. He was lead man in Iranian intelligence in the region and was one of several agents on both side who were erased to seal the deal.


When Trump wags his finger at Iran, I try to include as much up to date information as I can, in trying to understand what that actually means. PNAC is as relevant, now, as the partition of India.


And anyway, which part of handing over the new American Century to China makes sense to anybody?

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm not thanking Dennis's post just because he's sticking it to Brian, honest. I'm thanking it because it's a powerfully expressed and succinct good grasp of how the machine has worked for a very long time.


The handover to Trump gets a bit more complex, in my view. To get as good a grasp on that, one has to get informed in a much more up to date state of the situation than continually rolling out the PNAC scenario that was effectively buried and out of the fight since 2013.


Iran pre 2013 and Iran post 2013 are two quite different offers. I'll admit I'm not absolutely sure I know all the factors but I know that a game changing deal was made directly between two factions of the bloodlines that bypassed everyone below them, who just had to nod and deliver what was asked and expected of them. Part of that deal was the immediate about-turn in Egypt where the Muslim Brotherhood bunch who were only just getting their feet under the table of power when they were yanked out of there again on the insistence of the Iranian side of the deal. Another sign of the deal was the audacious air bombing of the 2nd in command in Syrian intel' right there in his office. He was lead man in Iranian intelligence in the region and was one of several agents on both side who were erased to seal the deal.


When Trump wags his finger at Iran, I try to include as much up to date information as I can, in trying to understand what that actually means. PNAC is as relevant, now, as the partition of India.

...
You're saying that the PNAC plan is irrelevant, yet the same 7 countries that were named by Gen. Wesley Clark as being on the neocon hitlist are either destroyed or still on the USA, INC. hitlist. It's still ongoing. The same hitlist was maintained through neocon and neoliberal (rnc and dnc duopoly factions) administrations. The people that engineered 9/11 were never caught and brought to trial and convicted and hanged. Instead, they remain in the alphabet agencies, in the neocon/neoliberal "think tanks", as presidential cabinet members and advisors, and as employees of the military-security industrial complex. The Project for a New American Century book may not still be a new york times bestseller, but the plan was never ended.

Of course, that plan would have metastasized and would have been refined by now - but it's just silly to say the plan is no longer relevant when Syria, Yemen, and Iran are still under attack (Iran - so far - by sanctions and demonization by propaganda, Syria by sanctions and demonization by propaganda, US occupation and missile attacks, and ongoing support and sheltering of known ISIS et. al. terrorists by the trump regime, and Yemen... jesus h christ, Yemen is an open-air slaughterhouse of ethnic cleansing by saudi arabia and by the trump regime, similar to the slow-motion genocide of Palestinians by the zionist israelis. It's relevant. It's ongoing. Trump is a full participant in the deep state plans for Middle East regional hegemony/resource control, and overtly zionist-israel plans of regional imperialism which requires the neutering of Syria and neutralization of Iran.

I know that there is great excitement over the prospect that trump is anti-deep state. That excitement is emotion. Hell, who can live without hope? But if, somehow, you set the emotion aside and objectively just look at trump's ACTUAL ACTIONS, he is not anti-deep state. He is (understandably, justifiably) anti-democrat-duopoly-faction that includes the dnc-variants of the deep-state that have used the phony Russiagate crap to try to get trump ousted as president. My guess is that trump and friends are too deeply woven into the same fabric as the bush-clinton cabal, and would be too vulnerable to actually arrest and convict them. I hope I'm wrong, and that trump exposes them. However, even in doing so, the zionazi agenda of global full-spectrum dominance by the USA, INC. neocon/neoliberal war-for-profit death machine will roll on unabated.

[ThePythonicCow]

I know that there is great excitement over the prospect that trump is anti-deep state. That excitement is emotion. Hell, who can live without hope? But if, somehow, you set the emotion aside and objectively just look at trump's ACTUAL ACTIONS, he is not anti-deep state.
Well, I will admit to agreeing with more of what you describe, Dennis, than I expected to :).

I will certainly agree with anyone who observes that listening to Presidential Pronouncements for the real truth of the matter is about as reliable as reading Snopes.

However some actions have been promising.

Syria is closer to regaining control of its land than it has been in several years.
The Godfather of ISIS, John McCain, is no longer a player (and probably not just for innocent medical reasons.)
Some serious house cleaning of some of the more notorious leaders of the US Dept of Justice has occurred.
Tensions and nuclearization of North Korea (likely a CIA puppet state until recently) are being dialed back.
Some of the key funders of terrorism, child trafficking, and US social media, namely Saudi kings, have been had their wings clipped.
The turmoil in Iran might be a good sign, if it signals that yet another CIA installed Iranian government is under serious stress.


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My guess is that trump and friends are too deeply woven into the same fabric as the bush-clinton cabal, and would be too vulnerable to actually arrest and convict them. I hope I'm wrong, and that trump exposes them. However, even in doing so, the zionazi agenda of global full-spectrum dominance by the USA, INC. neocon/neoliberal war-for-profit death machine will roll on unabated.
I am a bit more optimistic, but I will readily grant that my optimism might just be a sign of my political biases. I certainly cannot prove otherwise at this point.

[norman]

You're saying that the PNAC plan is irrelevant, yet the same 7 countries that were named by Gen. Wesley Clark as being on the neocon hitlist are either destroyed or still on the USA, INC. hitlist. It's still ongoing.





Can you explain to me how you know for sure that is the case?

[Praxis]

Norman, If you cant see that it is actively going on you are either intentionally obtuse(trolling) or incapable of understanding, either way you are clearly not reading what Dennis is saying as he has shown that this is actively the case with specific examples. Literally, specifically names countries and incidents to prove his point. Just google Saudi Triple Tap.

I have figured it out. Remember in Westworld where Bernard says it doesnt look like anything to him? The reason Dennis' arguments are not landing is because I dont think the people here see the dead brown people as people. Why they wont acknowledge Yemen and Palestine is because they dont actually see them as humans. That is the only way I see it or else they would not be okay with weapons to saudi or Israel for example, which both Obama and Trump continued, which T dizzle even went one step further and gave the Zionists their dream of recognition of the occupation of Jerusalem by moving the Embassy there. Super anti deep state move!

[onawah]

It seems likely to me that Trump's apparently anti-deep state stance is simply his way of keeping up the appearance of being a good guy for his fans ( and those of his critics he wants to keep at bay).

My guess is that trump and friends are too deeply woven into the same fabric as the bush-clinton cabal, and would be too vulnerable to actually arrest and convict them.
But when it becomes clear all those arrests and convictions are never going to happen, then what? He can dangle that carrot only so long.

[norman]

Direct, open plea to President Donald Trump: Please, call off the hit on Assad and Syria.





There have been two already that we know of and Assad and Syria are still there and getting stronger.


How much do any of us know about what the exact targets were in the two previous false flags ( especially the last one )?


Who's military assets were destroyed?

[Foxie Loxie]

Good question, Norman! Let's hope it was the Deep State's base. Let face it...the Global Elite or... our "Controllers" don't care WHAT color your skin is as long as they get to keep controlling the Global Picture. Think both World Wars!

None of us has complete control of all the details or variants in this global situation! After reading about the Yale-China connection from 1903 yesterday....it's like WHOA! The "control" goes waaaay back!

[Fellow Aspirant]

Brian/Fellow Aspirant

If you posted that to show once again that 'Snopes' is a fraud and a CIA asset, well, that didn't come through.

If, on the other hand, you believe this is true, please start a thread about your belief that the white helmets are good guys. Maybe another thread about believing Snopes.

Actually, Dennis, my post was to demonstrate that there is a basic truth to the White Helmet reality with respect to the ongoing Russian/Syrian collusion. In other words, I am not among those who have drunk from the ocean of Kool-Aid proffered by the Russian propaganda machine. I much prefer the work of established western news organizations (including Snopes) to ANYTHING with the letters RT attached. It is my belief that Putin and Assad are committing war crimes against Syrian civilians. Nea, they have committed, are continuing to commit and will in the future commit crimes against humanity.

...

We will have to agree to disagree, I think. And for this stance I offer no links or research or quotations. I am entitled to my fully formed opinion, and so are you.

Brian

P.S. Way to pile on, Paul.
Brian,

I completely agree with you that if you started a thread about believing that "Snopes" is truthful or valid, that you would get creamed. You'd be in a terrible position, and people would cite just a few of the outrageous lies - supportive of the US government/deep state narrative - that the snopes duo have generated, which shows that they are completely aligned with the deep state, for example and as a baseline, the official 9/11 narrative. The worst part for you is that you'd have no ammo to retaliate. You wouldn't be able to provide any examples - at all - of any major political or geopolitical stories/"debunkings" done by snopes that are true, but you'd find plenty that echoes mainstream media, which (Operation Mockingbird) is a tool of the CIA and other Deep State agencies. You'd be crucified. You'd look like a terribly naive person, however sincere.

It appears that the dnc/deep state "Russiagate" false-flag got you. Barry, Killary, and TheBern, all spewing anti-Russia nonsense, risking "hot" war with Russia and stoking the cold war (which is fully orgasmic to the military-security industrial complex, cha-ching!) It appears that you didn't get that the PNAC republican duopoly neocons surrounding w bush (who we know were all among the perpetrators of the 9/11 false-flag) codified the plan ("7 countries in 5 years") to take out Syria at least as early as 2001, before Bashar al Assad became Syria's president, and you missed the hand-off of the deep state baton to democrat duopoly obomber, who articulately and glibly turned it up to eleven in the Middle East, taking out/murdering Libya's leader and destroying one of the named 7 countries plus training, arming, supporting, protecting ISIS/IS/ISIL/alNusra/alQaeda mercenary terrorists hired to destroy Syria, and you missed the baton being passed to republican duopoly trump who is following the exact same deep state plan. That's a lot to miss. In your defense, there are obviously a bunch of people here at Avalon that also refuse to see the handoff from obummer to trump. It's a partisan disease, which is why I mentioned the dnc. Adherents to the rnc propaganda are just as lost in partisan BS, but the new anti-Russia deep state crap was from the dnc wing of the duopoly. So, Russia (RT) is off your list of trusted news sources... You already declared who you do believe (mainstream news and snopes), but I am going to ask you to do some homework. There are a few citizens that went to Syria to find out for themselves whether the US government/deep state/nikkki haley are telling the truth, that Assad is a monster, the Syrian people hate him and his wife and want them dead, and that Assad inexplicably keeps murdering/gassing a few civilians in celebration of ridding sections of his country of US-backed terrorists - just as cnn/fox/nbc/cbs/msnbc/the wall street journal, new york times, etc. has been drumming. The homework I would assign - only if you really want to know, to have an informed opinion - would be to read the words and watch the videos of two women that have gone to Syria to find out for themselves, and to report back to the world: Vanessa Beeley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amUGvZJl15k) and Eva Bartlett (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYs0_kT36Q). I made each of their names into links to (kinda randomly selected) videos on youtube, but please don't stop there.

KiwiElf posted a meme, I think in the q adherents thread, that correctly stated that opinions are not to be given equal weight to informed opinions. Another way I have heard this expressed is that if one person says it is raining and another person says it is not, we should not give equal weight to their opinions and instead, step outdoors and find out. Your opinions that the "white helmets" are humanitarian rescuers, and that snopes is a valid source of truth, are demonstrably wrong, and have been proven to be wrong. I'd recommend taking your television set to the nearest window, and throwing it out, unless you want to continue to bathe in the deep state lies and lies of omission that the mainstream "news" corporations pump out. Finding real sources of truth requires diligent searching and keen discernment. If, after your diligent search, you still lean on rachel maddow and wolf blitzer and brian williams (all of whom have been proven to be liars) and their ilk for the truth, I would ask you not to debate that issue in this thread, but rather dare to make those into separate topics in threads about them and their veracity.

I rest my case.

B.

[Dennis Leahy]

...
I rest my case.

B.
You have to make a case before you can rest it. You haven't provided anything to back-up your contention that snopes and the mainstream media are sources of truth. Besides, that is tangential at best to this topic, and now I'd say, distracting. I have changed my mind and now think it would be a good idea for you to start those threads, challenging Avelonians perceptions by showing examples of snopes telling the truth about political or geopolitical issues, and show that the corporate mainstream news tells the truth about any important issues (they do get the local "cat stuck in tree" stories and high school football scores correct.) You obviously have a strongly held belief, so back it up and debate the topic - as a topic. (Your view has already been stated here.)

[Bubu]

Direct, open plea to President Donald Trump: Please, call off the hit on Assad and Syria.





There have been two already that we know of and Assad and Syria are still there and getting stronger.


How much do any of us know about what the exact targets were in the two previous false flags ( especially the last one )?


Who's military assets were destroyed?

right, but at least we knew who the liars are.

[Fellow Aspirant]

...
I rest my case.

B.
You have to make a case before you can rest it. You haven't provided anything to back-up your contention that snopes and the mainstream media are sources of truth. Besides, that is tangential at best to this topic, and now I'd say, distracting. I have changed my mind and now think it would be a good idea for you to start those threads, challenging Avelonians perceptions by showing examples of snopes telling the truth about political or geopolitical issues, and show that the corporate mainstream news tells the truth about any important issues (they do get the local "cat stuck in tree" stories and high school football scores correct.) You obviously have a strongly held belief, so back it up and debate the topic - as a topic. (Your view has already been stated here.)

Well, I guess you miss my point. When I say that "I rest my case" I'm referring to your rather lengthy response to my original claim. That is, you have proven that you are so deeply down the Russian rabbit hole that anything I write to enforce my point of view will be met by just such a response. You have demonstrated my point: your views have hardened (as have mine, of course) to the point that I really doubt the possibility of a real debate. We could each cite sites and provide links to "prove" one anothers' beliefs, each countering the others' information and casting aspersions as to the veracity of the facts on offer. I visualize a session of one of those (now ancient, it seems) primitive computer games where the player lobs a "cannonball" across a poorly rendered landscape, hoping to deliver a decisive blow, only to be forced to suffer from the opponent's return volley. The "tit for tat" exchanges accomplish nothing in regard to the truth as seen by either side. We could exhaust one another with such an endeavour, to no appreciable positive end. The well of truth has been permanently poisoned by the giant forces at work to wreak havoc upon our world. Once we have settled into our personal versions of reality, we're kinda stuck.

Having said that, however, out of my respect for you, Dennis, I'll give you an example. Your dependence on the work of Vanessa Beeley and/or Eva Bartlett show how vulnerable your position is, given that both of these "reporters" (and their stories) have been repeatedly exposed as being in the service to the Kremlin. Neither of them has any credibility with the long established war correspondents who have been involved in Middle Eastern affairs and conflicts for many years before these women arrived on the scene.

w.r.t. Ms. Beeley:

https://thesyriacampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/KillingtheTruth.pdf


False accusations, abusive language and violent threats all chip away at
the volunteers’ morale. However the vicious smearing of the White Helmets,
especially false terrorism claims, are designed to undermine the evidence
they collect and legitimise their killing.

Blogger Vanessa Beeley, at the heart of this Russian-backed disinformation
campaign, has stated repeatedly in public that these humanitarians can be
legally killed. “White Helmets are not getting it. We know they are terrorists.
Makes them a legit target,” she said on Twitter.
2
Whilst most of the individuals involved in spreading the conspiracies
are usually dismissed as cranks and extremists by the vast majority of
policy makers and opinion formers, their reach online has inarguably been
extraordinary. Twitter activity during news peaks such as the Aleppo offensive
in 2016 and the Khan Sheikhoun chemical attack in 2017, shows that far right
groups in the United States (the so-called “alt-right”) and Russian networks are
reaching more people with manufactured stories than any other group.


Then there's this from Michael Weiss

(credentials given here:
Michael Weiss is an American journalist and author. Weiss is a senior editor for The Daily Beast, a consulting executive editor at Coda Story[1], a columnist for Foreign Policy, an author and a frequent national security analyst and contributor for CNN.[2]

Education

Weiss was born to a Jewish family[3] and educated at Townsend Harris High School, a public magnet high school in Flushing, Queens in New York City, from which he graduated in 1998,[4] followed by Dartmouth College, a private Ivy League research university in the town of Hanover, New Hampshire, from which he graduated in 2002 with a B.A. in History.[5]
Life and career

Weiss has served as co-chair of the Russia Studies Centre at the Henry Jackson Society (HJS).[6]

Weiss currently serves as the editor-in-chief for the online magazine Interpreter, which translates and analyzes Russian news,[7] and senior editor of The Daily Beast, a regular columnist for Foreign Policy magazine. In 2015, he co-wrote the book ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror with Hassan Hassan.[8][9][10]

In November 2014, Weiss published a special report in his online magazine the Interpreter that accused Russia of waging "propaganda and disinformation" campaigns. Weiss's report included recommendations on how to confront Russian propaganda which included creating an “internationally recognized ratings system for disinformation.” [11] The recommendations were criticized in The Nation by James Carden of the American Committee for East-West Accord as a "censorship campaign."[12]

Weiss has this to say about Beeley:

(link here - https://news.postimees.ee/4542465/cnn-security-consultant-vanessa-beeley-a-deranged-crank)

"Michael Weiss told Postimees that Beeley’s conspiracy theories have bee debunked by several publications, including The Guardian.

“Beeley is a deranged crank who refuses to believe al-Qaeda was behind 9/11 and who regularly appears on RT to spread falsehoods about Syrian first responders and the Assad regime's repeated chemical weapons attacks, which she similarly refuses to acknowledge,” Weiss said.

Weiss said that because Russia has endorsed her theories on the White Helmets in the UN Security Council, it is accurate to say she is both a relay and source of Kremlin disinformation efforts.

Weiss added that her cynicism runs neck-and-neck with her moral squalor as leaked direct messages of hers from Twitter show her admitting that the Assad regime tortures detainees but insisting that she'd never admit such a thing in public."


There's also this, from https://pulsemedia.org/2017/03/11/childrens-trauma-is-a-laughing-matter-if-you-are-vanessa-beeley/

by Amr Salahi

(credentials: Amr Salahi is a journalist who has previously lived in the Middle East and worked for the BBC. )

"The notorious Assad regime propagandist Vanessa Beeley has been recently on a speaking tour of the UK. She has been showing up at small venues in Bristol, Birmingham, and London to give a presentation entitled “Aleppo: Fall or Liberation”. These talks have been hosted by the Communist Party of Great Britain Marxist-Leninist (CPGB-ML), which openly supports and glorifies Josef Stalin. In Bristol, her talk was held at the Palestine Museum and attended by about 70 people.

The general gist of Beeley’s talk is similar to her published work on websites such as 21st Century Wire and Mint Press News. The rebels are non-Syrian terrorists from Al-Qaeda who commit atrocities against the population in the areas they hold; what is happening in Syria is part of a regime change conspiracy that has been in place since the 1980s involving the media, human rights organizations, and Western governments; Bashar Al-Assad’s army is the main humanitarian agent, providing Syrians in East Aleppo and other rebel-held areas it captured with relief and medical care.

Members of Syria Solidarity UK who attended Beeley’s presentation (two and a half hours ong) have provided a more detailed account of the meeting here. This article will only look at a few minutes of her talk, which encapsulate the maliciousness of her propaganda and how it is designed to make the targeting and murder of Syrian civilians acceptable to people who consider themselves “progressive” and “anti-imperialist”.

Beeley’s favourite targets are the rescue workers and medical staff who save the men, women, and children injured in the regime’s and Russia’s airstrikes which target homes, schools, and hospitals. Syria is probably the only conflict in the world where first responders have been singled out not only for actual military attack but also for a relentless propaganda onslaught."

An excerpt from

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vanessa-beeley-syria-white-helmets_uk_5ad9b6cae4b03c426dad48a9

has this to say about her role in propping up the Kremlin/Damascus propaganda campaign:

Vanessa Beeley is a British blogger who believes the attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo was staged, al-Qaeda wasn’t behind the 9/11 attacks and that “Zionists rule France”.

But her real passion is trying to convince the world that the White Helmets, the group that rescues people from the rubble of Syria’s civil war, is a terrorist-linked organisation that fakes its activities to elicit sympathy in the West for a regime change plot against Syrian leader, Bashar al-Assad.

Beeley, 53, is the daughter of the late British diplomat Sir Harold Beeley, and worked in various sales and management roles before turning to activism in 2012.

She would have remained in the fringe world of conspiracy theorists, blogging on alternative news sites and speaking at eventsalongside holocaust deniers and David Icke if it weren’t for one thing - she, like thousands of other people, became embroiled in a Russian disinformation campaign.

But unlike most, she would take centre stage. In May of 2017 Petr Iliichev, Russia’s Chargé d’Affaires at the UN Security Council, submitted a report containing “information on the work of the White Helmets in Syria”.

The evidence in the document consisted solely of a presentation Beeley had given in London earlier that year.

So why would Russia, a state with extensive intelligence gathering services and boots on the ground in Syria, rely on the word of an unknown British blogger?

RT
Beeley is regularly invited to speak on Russian state media.

Scott Lucas, journalist and Professor of Political Science and International Studies at the University of Birmingham, told HuffPost UK it’s all about how the White Helmets document evidence of possible war crimes.

“One of the things that Russia does is they hit medical sites and civil defence headquarters and they carry out double-tap strikes to target rescuers,” he says.

“So delegitimising the White Helmets does a couple of things - one is it makes them legitimate targets, paradoxically. Because if they die, the Russians can just so ‘they were associated with terrorists anyway’.

“Secondly it tries to hinder the White Helmets in putting out information about the Russian attacks that are taking place.”


In the case of Eva Bartlett, her malicious claims about the White Helmets were put under scrutiny by Patrick Worrall in this piece that appeared in the Channel 4 News "fact checker" section, about two years ago, which begins:

"Eva Bartlett is a Canadian citizen who describes herself as an “independent writer and rights activist”.

She writes a blog for the state-funded Russian media outlet Russia Today and is candid about her support for the regime of Bashar al-Assad, who is fighting Syrian rebels with Russian and Iranian help.

In a speech organised by the Syrian mission to the UN, Ms Bartlett recently criticised the western “corporate media”, saying journalists were “compromised” and used sources that were “not credible”.

She went on to attack the White Helmets, a volunteer rescue group funded by a number of western governments including Britain.

Western media outlets – including Channel 4 News – frequently broadcast footage supplied by the White Helmets, which purports to show the aftermath of regime attacks on various rebel-held areas in Syria.

Supporters of the Assad regime have variously accused the White Helmets of being puppets of western powers, peddlers of faked footage or even terrorist fighters posing as humanitarian workers, all of which the organisation vigorously denies.

Ms Bartlett said: “Their video footage actually contains children that have been recycled in different reports; so you can find a girl named Aya who turns up in a report in say August, and she turns up in the next month in two different locations.”

A clip from the press conference has been viewed more than 3 million times on In The NOW, a Facebook page run by Russia Today but not branded as such.

We’ve tried to contact Ms Bartlett without success, so it’s not 100 per cent clear what she means by this, but our best guess is that she is referring to a claim involving a girl called Aya which has been circulated widely on the internet."

He goes on to analyze in great depth, the faces, clothing and image context of the child named Aya.

(link - https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-eva-bartletts-claims-about-syrian-children


I could go on and on, of course (never once mentioning the word "Snopes", which I chose from among a half dozen write-ups to use for my original post only because it gave a coherent summary of what the others said) but I hope that this time, you get my point. For every one of the pieces I have offered to show how these two writers are working at the behest of Putin & Assad, you will no doubt be able to answer them with what I consider to be fallacious counterclaims. Neither of us will be any further ahead in our arguments. It comes down to a personal choice of realities.

To sum up, then, the best that I can hope for at this point, is that you desist in accusing me of operating without verifiable information, or am too lazy to put my thinking on display. I assure that I'm willing and able to back up any of my claims. Whether or not any of my "proof" will ever cut any ice with you is up to you entirely.

Namaste, Dennis

Brian

[shaberon]

And anyway, which part of handing over the new American Century to China makes sense to anybody?

The whole thing.

It appears that the goal of American intelligence agencies has been to vacuum the wealth out of the country. The power of China is inevitable.

I am not sure it's as simple as one group of guys passes the keys to the kingdom to the next group, but I think the two things are broadly true, and the timing is starting to resolve. If the quest for war has to be pried from the Neocons' cold dead fingers, it will be--slowly and painfully most likely. This mono-empire seems to have no way to survive, whereas China is somewhat immortal.

[Baby Steps]

Having a competition to show which side in a dirty tricksy war are the most dirty and tricksy misses the point completely. Defending Syria's legal right to get external assistance to deal with an insurrection IS NOT the same as believing that the Russians are so lovely.

The salient inescapable facts are

1. The assad regime is legal, and has always enjoyed majority support.
2. The insurrection was caused by interest groups external to Syria, over gas pipelines and other concealed issues
3. The international community totally failed to protect Syrian sovereignty, which would have contained the problem
4. Western action is illegal under laws concieved in the west.
5. The un could have sent in a large stabilisation force early on, but would never agree to do so because it would have to be done legally, which would naturally support assad against western interests
6. the whole holocaust can be blamed almost totally on the west and its corrupt middle eastern client states
7. what has happened is an obscenity on the scale of the worst atrocities in human history
8. in the face of the above, arguing whether the russians, who are saving the world with their own blood and treasure are deceptive or not seems to lack insight

[ThePythonicCow]

For what it's worth (not much -- current cost to paint a pixel on my computer screen is about .00000000005 cents/second), I agree with Dennis on this matter, and I find that those who are cited as possible experts citing the opposite position, such as Snopes, Michael Weiss, and Amr Salahi, are taking such outrageously incorrect positions in general, that their support of the White Helmets further discredits the White Helmets.

[Dennis Leahy]

... the work of Vanessa Beeley and/or Eva Bartlett ... given that both of these "reporters" (and their stories) have been repeatedly exposed as being in the service to the Kremlin. Neither of them has any credibility with the long established war correspondents who have been involved in Middle Eastern affairs and conflicts for many years before these women arrived on the scene.
...

Brian
Again, I am asking you to bring up your points in a different thread (find an existing one or start one) to impugn "the Russians", RT, Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett - and anyone else trying to warn the world of the false-flag chemical attack tactics being used by the Deep State in Syria. [[Juicy Hint: you can even post the hit piece by Sybel Edmonds! But then, do expect that someone will post James Corbett's reply.]]

I pointed out that you already registered your opinion here in this thread. I'd consider further hammering your issue in this thread as trolling, whereas you completely have the floor in a thread about that topic.

Yes, you do appear to be hardened on this topic, and show agreement with rachel maddow, wolf blitzer, brian williams, and other Deep State controlled mouthpieces. Your ignorance of the breadth and depth of Operation Mockingbird is apparent. One of the essential tactics of corporate (Deep State) news is lies of omission - real news that is ignored. How are you at eye-to-eye discernment, you know, can you tell when someone is lying? Have you actually watched videos of Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett? And how about John Pilger? Just another big fat liar working for the Kremlin?

Maybe you'll even dump a chamberpot on John Pilger too. https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-pilger-the-white-helmets-are-a-complete-propaganda-construct/228238/

(https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-pilger-the-white-helmets-are-a-complete-propaganda-construct/228238/)But if you want to add John Pilger to your list of phony war correspondents, lying miscreants, and tools of deception, PLEASE, do it in another thread.

[Bubu]

i have been here long enough to know some people around. I've been watching Brian for awhile I will say Brian is not ignorant he is deliberately ignorant for some reason. My opinion only.

[Fellow Aspirant]

For what it's worth (not much -- current cost to paint a pixel on my computer screen is about .00000000005 cents/second), I agree with Dennis on this matter, and I find that those who are cited as possible experts citing the opposite position, such as Snopes, Michael Weiss, and Amr Salahi, are taking such outrageously incorrect positions in general, that their support of the White Helmets further discredits the White Helmets.

Point taken: Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Gotcha.

Brian

¤=[Post Update]=¤


i have been here long enough to know some people around. I've been watching Brian for awhile I will say Brian is not ignorant he is deliberately ignorant for some reason. My opinion only.

Interesting observation, Bubu. Would you care to elaborate? For example, is my "deliberately ignorant" stance a good thing, or a bad thing?

(I'm right here in the room, by the way. I can see what you post about me. ;) )

Brian

[ichingcarpenter]

Why Is Assad An Insane Suicidal Monster? Corbett Report Propaganda Watch




cKtL9fvvejU


SHOW NOTES
Assad Preparing to Use Chemical Weapons in Idlib, U.S. Warns

False Flags Over Syria

American and British Reporters Reach Douma, Syria: Discover There Was NO Chemical Weapons Attack

UN Commission Investigator: It Was The Syrian Rebels Who Used Sarin

Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence in the Damascus Nerve Agent Attack of August 21, 2013

Syria – Rebel Trained Children Perform “Chemical Attack” (Video)

Syria Rebels testing Tekkim chemicals to use as chem weapons

Syria – U.S. Reveals Underpants Plan For Indefinite Occupation

The Grim Logic Behind Syria’s Chemical Weapons Attack

https://www.corbettreport.com/why-is-assad-an-insane-suicidal-monster-propagandawatch/

[Dennis Leahy]

Here is "Syrian Girl", interviewing Ambassador Ford, revolving around the White Helmets false-flag modus operandi and agenda.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5bBWRB0FJs

[Bubu]

For what it's worth (not much -- current cost to paint a pixel on my computer screen is about .00000000005 cents/second), I agree with Dennis on this matter, and I find that those who are cited as possible experts citing the opposite position, such as Snopes, Michael Weiss, and Amr Salahi, are taking such outrageously incorrect positions in general, that their support of the White Helmets further discredits the White Helmets.

Point taken: Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Gotcha.

Brian

¤=[Post Update]=¤


i have been here long enough to know some people around. I've been watching Brian for awhile I will say Brian is not ignorant he is deliberately ignorant for some reason. My opinion only.

Interesting observation, Bubu. Would you care to elaborate? For example, is my "deliberately ignorant" stance a good thing, or a bad thing?

(I'm right here in the room, by the way. I can see what you post about me. ;) )

Brian

not interested in discussing anything with you. I urge members to review your past post and probably mine also. yes i know you are here sorry i am not as polite and that I prefer to speak my truth rather than try to be polite. its only my opinion I will let members decide on it.

[Dennis Leahy]

Ex-Ambassador Peter Ford, again:



It appears that the Russians have pressed the pause button on their plans for an offensive alongside the Syrian government to retake Idlib. By the time they return to play mode the martial music may have changed.
New US policies for Syria

Without fanfare the US has just reformulated its position to create the conditions for it to launch devastating strikes on Syria no longer just on the pretext of alleged use of chemical weapons but on any ‘humanitarian’ pretext the US sees fit. In an interview with the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-plays-down-talk-of-imminent-pullout-of-forces-from-syria/2018/09/06/3f641ff4-b21a-11e8-8b53-50116768e499_story.html) on 6 September, James Jeffrey, the hawkish new Special Envoy for Syria fresh from the neocon incubator of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, did not mince words:
“We’ve started using new language,” Jeffrey said, referring to previous warnings against the use of chemical weapons. Now, he said, the United States will not tolerate “an attack. Period.”
“Any offensive is to us objectionable as a reckless escalation” he said. “You add to that, if you use chemical weapons, or create refu¬gee flows or attack innocent civilians.”
Jeffrey’s remarks were little noticed because he was that day announcing something else more immediately striking: a ‘new’ policy on Syria involving cancellation of Trump’s announced departure of US troops before the end of 2018 and instatement of a plan to stay on indefinitely until achievement of the twin goals of removing all trace of the Iranian presence in Syria and installation of a Syrian government which would meet US conditions – conditions which President Asad would by Jeffrey’s own admission not be likely to meet.The headlines naturally focussed on this latest Washington folly – do they think Iran will up sticks as long as there is a single US soldier on Syrian soil, or that there is Syrian Mandela waiting in the wings? – and the importance of the remarks about Idlib was missed. Yet those words may be about to bring the world to the brink of global war.
New doctrine for US intervention

What Jeffreys was saying was quite clear. That with or without alleged use of chemical weapons, a sudden exodus of frightened civilians from a part of Idlib, use of the fabled ‘barrel bombs’, or launch of a major offensive will be taken by the US as a trigger for drastic and probably sustained bombing aimed at bringing the government of Syria to its knees.

...
...
Source: https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/idlib-lull-before-the-hurricane-by-peter-ford/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Hervé]

‘Organ traders, terrorists & looters’: Evidence against Syrian White Helmets presented at UN (https://www.rt.com/news/447091-white-helmets-terrorists-russia/)

RT
Published time: 21 Dec, 2018 00:53
Edited time: 21 Dec, 2018 09:39
Get short URL (https://on.rt.com/9kz7)


https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.12/xxs/5c1c3791fc7e93c9668b45a3.JPG
White Helmets are shown in Syria’s Idlib province in this September 2015 file photo © Reuters / Khalil Ashawi


The ‘White Helmets’ are not a rescue group but an extension of jihadist militants, and should be designated a terrorist organization, Russia’s envoy to the UN argued at the presentation of evidence into the group’s wrongdoing.

Praised in the West as humanitarian rescue volunteers, in reality the ‘White Helmets’ work with Islamist militants in Syria, harvest organs from the victims they pretend to be “rescuing,” stage false chemical weapons and other attacks for cameras, and loot the bodies and homes of Syrians killed and injured in the war, according to Maxim Grigoriev, director of the Russia-based Foundation for the Study of Democracy.

Grigoriev presented the results of the Foundation’s research into White Helmets at the UN headquarters in New York on Thursday. Russia’s envoy to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, said the evidence shows the group is dangerous.
“The White Helmets deserve to be on the United Nations’ designated terrorist list,” Nebenzia said.
Rather than volunteers, almost all the members of White Helmets were paid staff, Grigoriev explained. There is also “undeniable evidence” that the group has been taking written orders from Jaysh al‑Islam, an Islamist militant group most notorious for its occupation of Douma.

It was in this suburb of Damascus that the White Helmets staged the “chemical attack” that served as the pretext (https://www.rt.com/news/424047-russian-mod-syria-statement/) for French, UK and US missile strikes (https://www.rt.com/usa/424088-trump-syria-strike-statement/) against the Syrian government in April this year.

Also on rt.com US, UK & France launch 'precision strikes' in Syria (https://www.rt.com/usa/424088-trump-syria-strike-statement/)“Falsification of chemical attacks was an essential part of the White Helmets' activities,” Grigoriev testified, adding that the group also regularly engaged in “making fake news and organizing staged rescues.”

He cited a particular example of a place called Jisr al‑Haj in Aleppo, where the militants had set trash on fire, brought bodies from the local morgue, and had the White Helmets film a staged rescue. Grigoriev cited a testimony by a member of the White Helmets, who also said that everyone involved received an extra $50 for the effort.

Many local residents interviewed for the research spoke about people “rescued” by the White Helmets ending up dead, with their internal organs missing. One of the witnesses interviewed was a former member of Ahrar al-Sham, who testified that his commander Shadi Kadik, also known as Abu Adel Al-Halabi (of Aleppo), acknowledged the organ harvesting. The total number of cases involving organ theft is “at least several hundred” in Aleppo alone, Grigoriev testified.

Instead of rescuing civilians and children, the White Helmets looted homes damaged in the fighting and bodies of the dead, while forcing the children out of schools and kindergartens to set up offices there.

“At a rough estimate, out of 26 centers operating in Eastern Ghouta, ten were located in schools and one in a kindergarten,” Grigoriev cited from the testimony of a Syrian journalist in the area.




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(https://twitter.com/RussiaUN)
Today a conference on the activities of #WhiteHelmets (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhiteHelmets?src=hash) took place at the @UN (https://twitter.com/UN). Amb. #Nebenzia (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nebenzia?src=hash) & Amb. #Jaafari (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaafari?src=hash) delivered their remarks. Independent researchers @VanessaBeeley (https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley), @grigorievms (https://twitter.com/grigorievms) and Syrian journalist R.Lotef shared their findings about crimes of this NGO in Syria.

1:34 AM - Dec 21, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RussiaUN/status/1075897313485295616)
In Eastern Ghouta alone, between 100 and 150 members of White Helmets were also members of terrorist and militant groups. They engaged in building trenches, tunnels and fortifications for the militants, openly boasting about their membership on social media, but denying it whenever they were interviewed by Western reporters.
“Facebook accounts of members of the White Helmets are full of propagandist materials of terrorist groups, including [Islamic State] and al-Qaeda, praising Osama bin Laden and other individuals listed by the UN as terrorists,” Grigoriev said, adding that the so-called rescuers also posted “hundreds of photos with weapons in their hands.”
The Foundation is a member of the Global Counter-Terrorism Research Network established in 2013 by the UN’s Counter-Terrorism Committee Executive Directorate. Its report is based on interviews with over 100 eyewitnesses, including 40 members of the White Helmets, 50 local residents and 15 former terrorist and militant fighters. More than 500 local residents were also surveyed in Aleppo and Deraa.




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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1044228221351469057/q4oYQnL6_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/RussiaUN) Russian Mission UN ✔ @RussiaUN (https://twitter.com/RussiaUN)
#Nebenzia (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nebenzia?src=hash): We understand why #WhiteHelmets (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhiteHelmets?src=hash) are being defended by #Western (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Western?src=hash) capitals.They do not hide that they provided substantial financial support to this organization and intrumentalized it to pursue political goals under humanitarian cover. It’s logical to protect your asset.

8:52 PM - Dec 20, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RussiaUN/status/1075826176382418945)
A number of Western countries, such as the UK and Canada, have proudly announced (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/435670-white-helmets-canada-syria/) they would be accepting White Helmets as refugees (https://www.rt.com/uk/439260-white-helmets-resettled-uk/), after several hundred members of the group were evacuated (https://www.rt.com/news/433924-white-helmets-evacuation-israel/) from a jihadist-held enclave in southern Syria ahead of the advancing government troops.

The government in Damascus considers the White Helmets to be in the same category (https://www.rt.com/news/434368-white-helmets-surrender-death-assad/) as illegal militias and terrorists.

[Siphonemis]

President Trump this week declared ISIS was defeated, and, as such, was pulling out the remaining U.S. troops from Syria, but I suspect we are only getting started in that area. Secretary of Defense Mattis, loved (and even jokingly enshrined) by U.S. troops (myself included), very publicly resigned (not retired) from his position this week, citing disagreements with how we're looking to move forward militarily in the near future. Much is going on behind the curtains, and I fear it is not for the best. Yesterday's presentation of evidence to the U.N. on behalf of Grigoriev further suggests that international involvement in that area is far from over. Interesting to see how the situation unravels in the coming months.

[Deux Corbeaux]

The Bigger Effects OF Trump's Major Move Pulling Out

In this video the latest breaking news on what is really going on involving the widely reported withdrawal.
Is Trump really going to bring them all home, or is there something else going on.

Partisan Girl joins to discuss this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rez3eWbYhuU[/url]

[Arcturian108]

I have always seen Trump more as a Peacenik than a war hawk, and now the proof is starting to show up:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_jqm9rk31g&feature=em-uploademail

[shaberon]

The kicker is that they were confronted by a professional military, Turkey.

So they abandoned the child-conscripting SDF they propped up, withdrawing from the border area. France does not plan on leaving since ISIS is not defeated, while the SDF are going to release over 3,000 ISIS prisoners.

We'll have to see if the U. S. completely leaves. Withdrawing from the INF treaty seems to be a simultaneous ham-fisted move on Trump's part while cringing over not getting "Wall money". The about-face in Syria is probably also monetary--it's expensive to drop so many banned cluster bombs on civilian populations...not that there is much danger of restitution being paid for that. Hopefully it is obvious that any American claims of having accomplished something are hot air; it's just too expensive, and they cannot risk being humiliated on a real battlefield.

I would expect the Turkish action to cause some of the more sensible Kurds to reconcile with the Syrian government, because they are very likely to unleash some pretty furious destruction wherever they want until their demands are satisfied.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Fact check: Trump's right, ISIS did lose almost all its territory in Iraq and Syria

“One year later, I am proud to report that the coalition to defeat ISIS has liberated almost 100 percent of the territory once held by these killers in Iraq and Syria. But there is much more work to be done,” Trump said.

This is true. By early December, the Pentagon said 97 percent of ISIS-held territory in Iraq and Syria had been liberated. Now, analysts tell NBC News, the threat the U.S. must fight is dangerous lone wolf attacks and resurgences of the extremist group if forces do not continue to stamp it out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/fact-check-trump-s-right-isis-did-lose-almost-all-n843111

NBC is total crap (Nothing But Crap, actually) but not even they could lie about the military's annihilation of the CIA/Mossad proxy ISIS in Syria.

The Pentagon and CIA had been at war through proxies since Obama's administration. All Pentagon assaults had to be personally approved by Obama. Trump took the gloves off and allowed US military officers on the ground to make their own calls. That's all he had to do. Problem solved.

Measure progress by territory rather than these projected numbers of remaining ISIS soldiers, which are never verified in any meaningful way. Who is going around taking a census of the terrorists? It's not like they stand around in columns waiting to be counted from satellite or something.

Then again, Mossad probably knows exactly how many there are, because they're their guys.

[Dennis Leahy]

UN Panel Details White Helmets’ Staged Chemical Attacks, Organ Thief; MSM Silent


https://geopolitics.co/2018/12/26/un-panel-details-white-helmets-staged-chemical-attacks-organ-thief-msm-silent/