China

[Foxie Loxie]

Just thinking it might be a good idea to start a thread where we can focus on China in the new political arena.

There are so many theories flying around...it's hard to figure out what is true & what's not.

Like...Does China own our debt? Has China bought up a large portion of the U.S.? Anyone with real knowledge, please let us know! Thanks!

[norman]

James Corbett might be a good person to open the discussion



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Published on 13 Sep 2018



In this video, Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange gives you the latest breaking news on the China World Order and why it is here on purpose. We talk about the real news while exposing fake news media censorship on the topic of China with James Corbett of the Corbett report. Find Jame's channel here https://www.youtube.com/user/corbettreport






China and the New World Order


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Published on 9 Nov 2014


SHOW NOTES AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-297-china-and-the-new-world-order/



Military tensions, cyber espionage accusations, a brewing currency war; with every passing day, the headlines paint a convincing portrait of an emerging cold war between China and the West. But is this surface level reality the whole picture, or is there a deeper level to this conflict? Is China an opponent to the New World Order global governmental system or a witting collaborator with it? Join us in this in-depth edition of The Corbett Report podcast as we explore China's position in the New World Order.

[ramus]

America Owes China $1.8 Trillion - And That's Not A Problem For Anyone
April 2017

~~~China purchases TRILLIONS of dollars worth of U.S. Treasury bills and bonds using their gold and silver......... as stated before they have 1.8 trillion of our bonds that's 1/15 of are GDP that's no leverage at all .


https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/04/09/america-owes-china-1-trillion-and-thats-not-a-problem-for-anyone/#561e42352302
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The national debt (or government debt) of the People's Republic of China is the total amount of money owed by the government and all state organizations and government branches of China. As of March 2016, it stands at approximately CN¥ 28 trillion (US$ 4.3 trillion), equivalent to about 41% of GDP... Our's is 1/15 th of our GDP to them.

See where there debt is way larger than our's per GNP, no one talks about this because it doesn't fit into the fear mongering that they want, remember we have to have an enemy don't we. How else could you justify the defense budget. As soon as they can get us scared of an alien invasion China will not be a threat.
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/26/its-time-for-china-to-pay-its-debts-to-united-states.html

Many decades ago, China sold sovereign bonds worldwide to investors in many nations. They sold tens of thousands of these bonds on U.S. soil to American citizens on the recommendation of our government, indicating it was a solid investment.

Over the last sixty years, China has refused to pay to these bondholders either the principal or interest on these full faith and credit sovereign bonds. (To say nothing of the hundreds of billions also owed to U.S. artists from unpaid royalties on the more recent sale of pirated CD’s and videos, but that's another story).

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Here is some info on land purchases:

https://modernfarmer.com/2017/07/theres-foreign-owned-american-farmland-size-tennessee-know/

Foreign entities are snapping up American farmland more quickly than ever, but the precise patterns are hard to keep track of; the USDA compiles raw data, but that data requires someone to analyze and make sense of it. And that’s exactly what the Midwest Center for Investigative Reporting has done.

It’s a tough job, though. As they note, the data itself “has errors and often has incomplete information,” making it difficult to paint a complete picture. But what we can say for for sure is that between 2004 and 2014—the latest decade covered by the USDA data—foreign ownership of American farmland has doubled to 27.3 million acres. That’s slightly larger than the entire state of Tennessee. Of that, 21.5 percent is cropland; the rest, forest and pastureland. While that represents only about two percent of total farmland, the value of the foreign-owned U.S. farmland soared from $17.4 billion (in today’s dollars) to $42.7 billion during that same time period, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data.

[GMB1961]

I saw that China starts small then inches in countries that have trouble paying debt back. There is movement in Fiji, Samoa, New Caledonia and just recently Africa. In Australia here in the Northern Territory they have just paid for a 100 year lease on a port up near darwin and are buying up land here in Australia at an alarming rate. Personally Id rather lease it to them but our government hasn't the balls to say no. Ah well we shall see soon enough i guess.I think its sad actually but thats just me I guess. Glenn.

[Deux Corbeaux]

When I listened to Luke Rudkowski’s video in post #2 about “Why the China World Order is here on purpose”, I had to think of a picture I made in Shanghai last year of the Chinese Wallstreet Bull.
It’s called the Bund Bull, because it's located in the Bund, Shanghai's financial district.

As if China is mocking the USA ;)

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However, the Wall Street's Bull remains #1 despite Shanghai's attempts to make theirs bigger and better. :Angel:

Here's Why No One Rubs The Balls On The Shanghai Version Of The Wall Street Bull: https://www.businessinsider.com/shanghai-bull-balls-wall-street-bull-rub-smaller-saggier-2010-12?IR=T

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[Foxie Loxie]

WHEW!!! A lot to digest here....thanks everyone!! :highfive:

Talk about mindblowing!! :boom:

[Baby Steps]

China has strenuously denied reports that it's routinely canning human flesh and selling it as food to African nations.

A top official has dismissed reports in Zambia which queried the provenance of some 'meat products' being shipped from China to the African continent.


In the media reports, an unnamed Zambian woman living in China reportedly issued warnings to Africans not to eat corned beef.

She claimed that dead human bodies were being collected and marinated before being canned and labelled as corned beef for human consumption .

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/china-denies-shipping-marinated-human-8011122

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fake plastic rice, contaminated baby milk, the list goes on- and dont get me started on adulterated honey (sugar syrup)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agFIv6f0S2E

[Baby Steps]

Organ harvesting from falun gong practitioners in China


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

With thanks to wikipedia:


Reports of organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners and other political prisoners in China have raised increasing concern by some groups within the international community. According to the reports,[1] political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients. The organ harvesting is said to be taking place both as a result of the Chinese Communist Party's persecution of Falun Gong and because of the financial incentives available to the institutions and individuals involved in the trade.

[Valerie Villars]

Chinese drywall installed as people rebuilt after Katrina, became a major scandal because it would start smelling like rotten eggs and causes a whole host of health problems.


Chinese Drywall: Health Problems and Property Damage
China-manufactured drywall has been linked to health problems and metal corrosion in homes.
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Who was injured by the product?
Problem drywall is a problem that isn't going away. As of 2015, over 4,000 homeowners have reported that drywall imported from China has caused health problems and metal corrosion in their homes, according to the CDC. The contaminated drywall has high levels of sulfur, which may be responsible for a rotten egg smell in affected homes, blackened or corroded pipes, failure of air conditioners and other household appliances, and health problems such as asthma, coughing, headaches, sore throats, and irritated eyes.

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Most of the contaminated drywall was installed in 2006 and 2007 following Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, when a spike in home construction caused a shortage of drywall made in the United States. The federal Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) has received complaints from homeowners in 44 states, although the bulk of reports come from Florida and several other states in the south.

This article discusses the major complaints associated with China-manufactured drywall, legal claims based on drywall problems, and what you should do if you think you have contaminated drywall in your home.

Signs of Contaminated Drywall Problems
Homeowners with contaminated drywall usually notice:

a rotten egg smell within the home
corrosion or blackening of metal items within the walls or protruding from the walls, and
frequent failures of air conditioning units and other appliances and electronics.
The federal Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) has issued guidelines for identifying contaminated drywall. The guidelines recommend a two-step process: first a threshold inquiry and then, if the threshold is met, a further investigation seeking corroborating evidence.

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In order to meet the threshold inspection, homeowners must (1) have blackened copper electrical wiring or air conditioning evaporator coils, and (2) have had the drywall installed between 2001 and 2008.

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However, because metal corrosion may be caused by many factors, the presence of blackened wiring in the home does not definitively point to contaminated drywall. For this reason, the CPSC advises homeowners and contractors to look for further evidence that drywall is the likely culprit.

According to the CPSC, contaminated drywall is indicated if two of the below corroborating conditions are present and drywall was installed between 2005 and 2008 -- or if four of the below corroborating conditions are present and the drywall was installed between 2001 and 2004:

copper sulfide or sulfur in the home as confirmed by tests
drywall is marked as coming from China
high levels of strontium in drywall core
high levels of sulfur in drywall core
elevated levels of hydrogen sulfide, carbonyl sulfide, or carbon disulfide emitted from drywall when tested in a chamber, and
corrosion of copper metal when placed in a test chamber with drywall samples.
To learn more about the CPSC guidelines -- including details about the tests and results -- visit the CPSC's Drywall Information Center at www.cpsc.gov/info/drywall/. The CPSC will revise the guidelines as more information becomes available.

Health Problems Associated With Problem Drywall
Is Chinese drywall making you sick? Health problems that may be caused by contaminated Chinese drywall include:

irritated and itchy eyes and skin
difficulty in breathing
persistent cough
bloody nose
runny nose
recurrent headaches
sore throats
sinus infections, and
asthma attacks.
Although scientific research has yet to document a definitive link between health risks and contaminated drywall, health advocates suspect a causal link does exist. That's because consumers report that symptoms disappear or lessen when they are away from the home, and then reappear or worsen when they are in the home. In order to establish causality, consumers must prove that their health problems are caused by the drywall and not by other factors. (To learn more about what plaintiffs must prove in a toxic tort case, see Nolo's article Toxic Torts: Legal Theories of Liability.)

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Damage to Electronics and Appliances
Consumers allege that the contaminated drywall corrodes piping and wiring, which causes electronic devices and household appliances to work intermittently or fail completely. Examples of components and devices that may be affected by contaminated Chinese drywall include:

central air conditioning evaporator coils
refrigerators
dishwashers
televisions, and
video game systems.
Costs of Remediation
Homeowners affected by contaminated Chinese drywall may find themselves saddled with large remediation costs -- expenses incurred in removing the contaminated drywall and installing new, problem-free drywall. As of yet, there is no standard recommendation for remediation. For example, it is unclear whether removal of sheetrock is necessary to rid the home of problems associated with the contamination.

Decreased Home Value
Not surprisingly, the market value often decreases in homes that have -- or are suspected to have -- contaminated Chinese drywall.

[Deux Corbeaux]

Organ harvesting from falun gong practitioners in China


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

With thanks to wikipedia:


Reports of organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners and other political prisoners in China have raised increasing concern by some groups within the international community. According to the reports,[1] political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients. The organ harvesting is said to be taking place both as a result of the Chinese Communist Party's persecution of Falun Gong and because of the financial incentives available to the institutions and individuals involved in the trade.




Organ harvesting has been tied to human trafficking and has become a booming business in the 21st century on a global scale.

https://www.decodedscience.org/organ-harvesting-human-trafficking-black-market/56966

[Foxie Loxie]

Deux....You had me laughing out loud at the Tale of Two Bulls!!! :ROFL::ROFL:

Val....Thanks for letting us know about the drywall! Who knew!! BUY AMERICAN!

Baby Steps...Ah, yes....the human trafficking. After watching Corbett's report on China( which I'm still trying to process; thanks, Norman),
hearing all these "top" names connected with The Global Corporate Empire...KNOWING they are all a part of the Pedo Empire as well, is SO sick one can hardly comprehend it all! :facepalm:

Interesting to hear about the "fake" rice....like I said...who knew?!

GMB1961....I wondered about Australia being so close to China; appreciate your take on it. The Africa angle shows this does seem to be a world wide phenomenon!

:star::star::star::star: For anyone needing a "primer" on China, I would HIGHLY recommend Corbett's "China and The New World Order" posted above!! Thanks, Norman!! My head is still spinning from that one!

[norman]

CHINA's QUANTUM COMPUTER TELEPORTATION & Why we need a QUANTUM FIREWALL Mandela Effect

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Published on 7 May 2017


On Wed. May 3, 2017, China announced that they've successfully created the "World's First Quantum Computing Machine," which is apparently going to be used with a "New World" Quantum Infrastructure, already well underway in the Eastern half of the world....

Here are some of the links referenced in this video:

Article from "The Economist" 03/09/2017, referencing the Global Quantum Infrastructure & Quantum Teleportation: https://www.economist.com/technology-quarterly/2017-03-09/quantum-devices (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Ftechnology-quarterly%2F2017-03-09%2Fquantum-devices&redir_token=5gQHNU28wgc4YkbKaqfLpJBvVch8MTUzNzA0Mjk3MUAxNTM2OTU2NTcx&event=video_description&v=JzpB7eGEJh0)

China Announces Worlds First Quantum Computing Machine (CGTN):
https://youtu.be/TFcXM60RY28 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFcXM60RY28)

Scott Amex discusses the "Race to Quantum Supremacy":

https://youtu.be/0sESG2LFOWk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sESG2LFOWk)

CHECK OUT THE MEQUAVIS VISION! IT'S UP TO US TO "TRAIN & CONTAIN" OUR A.I. TECHNOLOGY RESPONSIBLY! This Vision CAN WORK, it's a matter of finding the right people & attaining the necessary resources, but IT'S A START! PLEASE SHARE THIS if u feel the same. Thank you. =) A.C.

SITE: Nanocheeze "About Us" page, links for entrepreneurs and engineers:
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VIDEO: The MEQUAVIS Project (a simplified explanation using laymans terms):
https://youtu.be/003mz_Xh3M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=003mz_Xh3M)


DISCLAIMER:

Affected Collective is an Independent Researcher and has NO ASSOCIATION with any party or parties discussed in her research, nor any entity otherwise unmentioned. She is NOT motivated by monetary gain, personal recognition, nor any sort of notoriety whatsoever. In fact, she is driven ONLY by her HEART to SEEK & SHARE ANSWERS for The GOOD of the collective SPIRIT of all mankind.


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A very inspiring video about Quantum computing is posted in this thread here:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101167-Quantum-Computers-and-the-birth-of-ARTIFICIAL-INTELLIGENCE&p=1199353&viewfull=1#post1199353


Thanks ExomatrixTV

[Deux Corbeaux]

They can build fast, high and beautiful.

The Shanghai tower, with a twist.... took my breath away.

The second highest building in the world. 632 meter high.

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[Cardillac]

over 15 yrs. ago in the unimportant greater Cleveland, Ohio (USA)- from where I originate- signs on stores everywhere were appearing along side English in an Asian script-

Chinese?- most probably-

let's all go figure...

Larry

[Flash]

I would never buy chinese dry walls to build my home lolll and I bet most American Chinese would not either.

I would try to avoid their plastic salad too, and the allowed minimum melanine in the feed for their fishes, fishes that we buy here in Canada.

Their teas are also often tainted, and everything else. Their view of human needs and rights if absolutely terrible. And I speak here of something culturally based.

I do not see much good to be under Chinese new world order.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I remember when all this began with Nixon and the fanfare over the diplomatic trip to China (was it during Moa Tse Tung rule?). Soon after the trade began.

Before then China was a mystery - a secret place unknown to the western world. In the following years all we ever heard about was the trade deficit with China, and how each president was going over there to right the wrong. But it never happened. The trade deficit continued to grow. Then, suddenly, around 1989 (solidified by maybe 2001...) all talk of trade deficits stopped and the era of free trade/cheap money arrived.

The world-wide market, where all goods cost relatively the same in every country, allowed investors and speculators to leverage all middle class citizens from all countries and reap profits never before dreamed (thus the jobless recovery of '08). This effectively outstripped the ability of the poor to climb the economic ladder, since the bottom third were the ones rendered jobless, had no credit and were also forced to pay the highest for all goods and services because of their inability to bargain on a level playing field (they also pay most of the fines, fees, and surcharges for numerous violations of payment protocols).

Since then, in Canada, the presence of the dragon has grown exponentially. Their influence is deep and their pockets deeper. All our major cities have seen many Chinese buyers with Vancouver being the hardest hit. The cost of housing there is simply unaffordable. People now live in the outlying cities and towns and only the wealthiest live in the city proper.

With well over a billion people, China has many problems on the domestic front. Bringing the vast majority of its people into the 21st century is a priority for the government. Judging from our own experience in the west I would say that China will modernize quickly and become nice compliant consumers just like us.

But as China modernizes its priorities are changing and it finds itself with much to protect. China in a way has had no choice but to militarize and then defend its interests. As its interests broaden so has the might of its military. Since China is a newcomer to the scene it would not be surprising to see new tactics used that could overwhelm the west in a manner never seen before.

This might also be a reason the US deep state is in such a tizzy these days. They would like to beat the Chinese to the punch with their 'new world order' but Trump has thrown a wrench in the works.

China is clever, resourceful, and daring. They are formidable opponents and should never be underestimated. Their weakness is in their domestic policies. The Chinese are an autocratic secular society with communist sympathies and a central government that rules with an iron fist. This does not sit well with many of its citizens.

China's influence will only grow in the coming years. To understand what the Chinese are capable of the fate of Taiwan might be a good indicator, with the South China Sea a further proof.

China means business. And business means...control, conflict...war.

[Valerie Villars]

Excellent post Ernie. And now they go after America through big tech. These power plays are exhausting for the rest of us.

[Zanshin]

It's the same story in Aus. - being in the construction game, I have been involved in the highrise unit explosion where a good part of units are sold off the plan to chinese investors before building commences.

The deep state knew exactly what would happen when the factories and jobs were shifted off-shore - not only was the middle class manufacturing sector decimated, but also left behind as the next level of inovation and modernisation occured elsewhere.

That said, the creditors to US Inc. are the American people (not US citizens) and not the Chinese people - no matter how much debt is racked up by US Inc. (based on the full faith and credit of 'we the people'). The same goes for Canada or Australia or any other country managed by a corporation masquerading as government in a backruptcy reorganisation.
As proof of this - corporations only exist in a bankruptcy.

In the commercial system we operate under, all title to property resides with the state, then the City of London and ultimately with the Vatican.
As proof of this check the title certificate to your property where you are listed on the front as tenant or joint tenant (not owner) and see what parish the title is registered under. Why a parish if there is separation of church and state?

Under bifurcation of title, where allodial title is split into legal title (10% controlling interest) and possessory title (90% usufruct) - all one purchases is a lien position on the legal title, usually at least 3rd in line after the state and the bank, if there is a mortgage involved, and any other parties that may have laid claim to that title.
If you are the tenant on the title and the state and bank are listed as lien claimants, then what do you 'own'?

So if a chinaman or a mexican man or whoever, comes into America and purchases property in some 'citizen capacity' subrogating his rights for the benefit/privilege of gaining lien position on title to said property - then short of excavating the dirt and shipping it off shore or getting his countrymen together to invade and take it by force - all he has is the usufruct of said property within the code of the corporation that granted that privilege.

If, as some suggest, Trump with his expertise in bankruptcy management, has been installed by the military to manage a reset, where the cabal has pillaged the system to the point of collapse - perhaps on the other side we might see the masses of funds stolen by the banksters and co. returned to the original creditors, the people, for a long awaited return to prosperity.

No proof of this last - just reading between the lines and listening to the opinion of others much smarter than I and, like most on this forum and elsewhere -

still waiting.

[Baby Steps]

Just some musings, things picked up over the years.

Democracy is not naturally a Chinese idea at all. This is a concern for the world- that the new rising hegemon is an authoritarian state with little to no transprency or accountability. My theory is that the magnificent Chinese culture did not really have a communist revolution, rather it swapped emperors. Chinese characteristics, including a 5-10 thousand year old culture continued through the trauma of the 'emperor swap'.

The Chinese were conducting civil service exams 5000 years ago. They regard the rest of the world as largely uncivilised and not to be trusted. Due to the cultural continuity I mentioned, one can look into history for a guide as to what kind of culture they are.

To have this fantastic ancient society for so long, based on an elite , and Emperor, with God like status, plus a state civil service (the mandarins) who were powerful, secretive and corruptible is really alien to western society with its roots in Greek philosophy, debate, and democracy.

Surely this is ancient history and of no relevance today? Not so. State operators there now are very fractious and secretive. In some ways it resembles the warlordism that has existed for millennia and justified a brutal imperium. There are modern accounts of battles between arms of the state that have pledged loyalties to different state functionaries (warlords).

I was told that the chinese state is not a monolith, and contains the potential for great strife. Therefore the public loves to see a powerful and brutal emperor.

There is no trace of individualism within that culture. It appears to be about service to this or that power group- and heroic self sacrifice. This slavery mentality fitted with communist ideas, and today fits an authoritarian corporatist state elite. We see the symptoms of this today with only slight pressure for democracy from the public, more in Hong Kong than anywhere else.

We see schools tracking pupils with face recognition tech, and the likelihood that chinese ai will or is tracking most citizens in this way through a network of cameras, that the ai can access in real time. sinister? certainly authoritarian.

We see the idea of people being given an on line 'rating' in terms of what they say, think and do. This rating is not a simply scoring system, it is being used to reward and punish - in the real world.

We are seeing communities of Chinese flourishing around the world, these people are often rich buyers and investors. They mostly operate with ethnic exclusivity, secrecy as to their dealings, and exert disproportional influence over the host states. Good luck to them, but the sounds of dissent within these communities towards the Chinese state are infrequent.

It is likely that Chinese corporate and state power, which is integrated, will spring from these communities.

I have been told that a common subject for discussion at Chinese dinner tables is how China is rising back to its natural position of global dominance.

Their general conduct internationally has not been as bad as the west in recent years. They are aware that most rising powers have historically had to challenge the current hegemon in bloody war. They are keen to avoid this, or I suspect, delay it until they can be certain of the outcome.

Chinese military spending is a third of us spending. however value for money is important to consider. Instead of the Economist's hamburger index, what about the 'fifth generation fighter jet' index. This would suggest that the Chinese military budget based on purchasing power parity is already greater than the us.

David Icke would say that all is going according to plan. The plan being to build up to a huge military confrontation that will kill 90% of humans. There is plenty of evidence that this scenario is methodically being built year after year.The Chinese mentality spans millennia, and I would not be surprised if many had already concluded- with good reason- that the western culture they oppose is terminally uncivilised , cannot be changed or controlled, and inevitably must be destroyed.

How does humanity arrest this process?

The west could do a lot worse that taking a cold hard look at its own conduct through Chinese eyes. The best achievements of the west- the liberal democratic example- DOES inspire many Chinese. The west must build on this example rather than what it is currently doing which is corrupting and dismantling it.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Ernie & Zanshin! It's wonderful to get everyone's slant & "take" from an individual perspective & area of expertise! :highfive:

I have learned much from the Corbett Report above that I never knew! How interesting that back in 1903 there was a Yale-China connection! It was called "Yale in China". Schools & hospitals were set up("missionaries", no doubt).

It was actually an intel network to destroy the republican movement of Sun Yat-sen to steer things to the advantage of the Anglo-American establishment!

In 1919 Mao was a 26 year old student. He joined a Marxist study group in Peking. It appears he never would have risen to power without the help of the Yale group.

There were 40 million deaths from starvation from 1958-1962. The Western PTB downplayed this, giving Mao "cover". In 1954 David Rockefeller & H. Kissinger met.

In 1971 Chase Bank was into "opening China". Deng Xiaoping came to the U.S. in 1979. Then in 1980 Rong Yiren & David R., along with 300 executives of major U.S. corporations met in NYC.

Chase, CITIC & Bank of China wanted to "...define areas of the Chinese economy most suseptible to American technology & capital infusion!

Mao died in 1976 & China's economy was turned on its head by the Eight Immortals into a "hybrid" system. During the 1990's China received $111 billions of contracted foreign direct investment!

It is interesting to note that every American ambassador to China since Kissinger's first visit there has been a member of the Skull & Bones society...except for the Carter administration. Amazing that the Yale-China tie has been going on since 1903!

I like how Corbett puts it, "There are super gophers at the top puppeteering a system that can play nation states against each other to create a global governmental system."

It seems obvious the "elite" global controllers decided it was "China's time". It has helped me to get an historical perspective on all this.

Thank you, James Corbett!! :highfive:

[norman]

It seems obvious the "elite" global controllers decided it was "China's time".





There are clues that it's not as simple as that. They may have wanted to form a Chinese system they could later roll out planet wide but needed full agreement from all factions to make it work. When they failed to get that full agreement ( probably from Russian elite ) they had to abandon the plan. China, by that time, was on the brink of being able to go it alone without agreement and refused to stop. THAT, I suggest, is where we are with it right now.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thank you, Baby Steps, for your most excellent summary!! Looks like you were writing it as I was posting my notes on James Corbett's report!

I keep thinking about the Chinese Emperor who recalled all their huge ships that were sailing the world....can't remember what year that was.

I do hope more members will weigh in on what they think is going on with China!

[shaberon]

China has gone back and forth with respect to foreigners.

The Ming Empire kicked most of them out and was unfavorable to European technology, although one could say China was a leader until industrialization, which they resisted. They decided to stick to their borders because one day the rest of the world will come to them.

On their own, they raked in all the silver from international trade, which caused the British to raise the Opium War against them. Foreign influence started coming in again, and then it was mainly Sun Yat Sen who stood against it.

On one hand, the good stuff's not for export.

Another thing is that they do have a stock market, but it is not like in the west where 401ks and various other financial instruments depend on it for a backing. Instead, it is seen as a legalized type of gambling, and most of the people throwing money at it are doing so with disposable wealth that doesn't matter as much if they lose. So when the headlines come up about "China stock market loses 40% value", whereas that would be very bad here, there, it mostly affects gamblers. And then if they find corruption, they have more of a method in place to inject new rules and orders.

Its influence rising is nothing but what the Ming said.

They also understand that the people have a right to revolt. That doesn't exactly have government approval, but on a social level, it's a given. It gets complicated fast because there are many triads and other factions. I am not in tremendous favor of the modern government. Our medieval Lamas were able to work with the Mongol Khanates and the Ming Empire but under communism they have scoured Tibet and replaced our Panchen. Mipham told us this would happen because Pehar had gotten in control and so a diaspora was always underway. And consequently the roots re-emerge in India again, we have Nalanda University open after being destroyed by Muslims about eight centuries ago. Not many other places have done something like that without a break in disciplic succession.

There is tremendous good in China which will never be let go no matter what else is going on.

[chris_walker]

Democracy is not naturally a Chinese idea at all. This is a concern for the world- that the new rising hegemon is an authoritarian state with little to no transprency or accountability. My theory is that the magnificent Chinese culture did not really have a communist revolution, rather it swapped emperors. Chinese characteristics, including a 5-10 thousand year old culture continued through the trauma of the 'emperor swap'.

The Chinese were conducting civil service exams 5000 years ago. They regard the rest of the world as largely uncivilised and not to be trusted. Due to the cultural continuity I mentioned, one can look into history for a guide as to what kind of culture they are.

To have this fantastic ancient society for so long, based on an elite , and Emperor, with God like status, plus a state civil service (the mandarins) who were powerful, secretive and corruptible is really alien to western society with its roots in Greek philosophy, debate, and democracy.This is the crux of it all. China is a brutal Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communist state and that means slavery, equal penury and misery for all. That's what those who we have allowed to be TPTB, by our very own consent, want for us.

I think there's going to be a massive war with China and the west, which still believes in philosophy, debate, and democracy to a point. The west has been heavily infiltrated by Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communism and Chinese influence, hence we have censorship on FB, Twitter, Google of people like Alex Jones to name the most famous example.

[Foxie Loxie]

Appreciate the unique perspective you give us, shaberon! :highfive:

Let's hope things don't get to the point of war with China! I agree with you that the West has been taken over from the inside! Here in the U.S. we had a Muslim president for 8 years, but nobody ever talked about it! :confused:

My hope is that true Rule of Law can be restored here!

[Flash]

Wow don’t I agree with you.

The Chinese in my own hometown are recluse, deal amongst themselves, have money, and are very racists against white (the vietnamese too)



Democracy is not naturally a Chinese idea at all. This is a concern for the world- that the new rising hegemon is an authoritarian state with little to no transprency or accountability. My theory is that the magnificent Chinese culture did not really have a communist revolution, rather it swapped emperors. Chinese characteristics, including a 5-10 thousand year old culture continued through the trauma of the 'emperor swap'.

The Chinese were conducting civil service exams 5000 years ago. They regard the rest of the world as largely uncivilised and not to be trusted. Due to the cultural continuity I mentioned, one can look into history for a guide as to what kind of culture they are.

To have this fantastic ancient society for so long, based on an elite , and Emperor, with God like status, plus a state civil service (the mandarins) who were powerful, secretive and corruptible is really alien to western society with its roots in Greek philosophy, debate, and democracy.This is the crux of it all. China is a brutal Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communist state and that means slavery, equal penury and misery for all. That's what those who we have allowed to be TPTB, by our very own consent, want for us.

I think there's going to be a massive war with China and the west, which still believes in philosophy, debate, and democracy to a point. The west has been heavily infiltrated by Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communism and Chinese influence, hence we have censorship on FB, Twitter, Google of people like Alex Jones to name the most famous example.

[Lettherebelight]

Don’t we have anyone from China here on the Forum?!

[Foxie Loxie]

I recall a few months back a person who lived in a "community" there even sent us a picture of all of them. That's all I can recall.

[norman]

Don’t we have anyone from China here on the Forum?!


It's never about the little people.

[Foxie Loxie]

A "dumb" question here....does China have some sort of a firewall set up already to block internet connections from the "outside"? :confused:

[norman]

A "dumb" question here....does China have some sort of a firewall set up already to block internet connections from the "outside"? :confused:


I'm on the dumb side of qualified to answer, but yes.

[Deux Corbeaux]

When I was in China last year, I was not able to use Google.
It's not just Google search that's blocked. Gmail, Google Maps, Google Plus and Google Photos are included in the long list of Google-related sites that are blocked.

Also no Facebook or YouTube. Even WhatsApp didn’t work. It was a strange experience indeed..

I later heard that their firewall blocked also Twitter – Instagram – Netflix – Flickr – and many other sites.

If you don't completely comply with the Chinese government's regulations in censoring politically sensitive information, there's a good chance the Great Firewall of China will shut you down.

"China is not afraid of the Internet," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang was quoted saying. "We manage the Internet according to law ... to prevent the spread of harmful information."


It’s that simple :)

[Foxie Loxie]

That's a good one, Deux!! :highfive: The Great Firewall of China!

Thanks for bringing us up to speed on how things are there! :silent:

[chris_walker]

When I was in China last year, I was not able to use Google.
It's not just Google search that's blocked. Gmail, Google Maps, Google Plus and Google Photos are included in the long list of Google-related sites that are blocked.

Also no Facebook or YouTube. Even WhatsApp didn’t work. It was a strange experience indeed..

I later heard that their firewall blocked also Twitter – Instagram – Netflix – Flickr – and many other sites.

If you don't completely comply with the Chinese government's regulations in censoring politically sensitive information, there's a good chance the Great Firewall of China will shut you down.

"China is not afraid of the Internet," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang was quoted saying. "We manage the Internet according to law ... to prevent the spread of harmful information."


It’s that simple :)That's proof enough that the Chinese way of life is deleterious to freedom loving people everywhere. They need to hide their way of life from the world because it is a brutal and repugnant Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communist regime. When anyone censors, they do so because their arguments can easily be refuted. In China's case, their argument is everybody should live as a slave to a Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communist system when only the 1% at the top, the commissars or whatever they call themselves, owns all the wealth. That's why our so called TPTB want Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communism for us - to totally enslave us and take away all of our possessions.

I call them Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communists to drill home the point of the pure devil evil that they are. Euphemisms like liberals, lefties, SJWs detracts from the evil that they are.

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/check-this.gif
A Foxie Loxie post:

Catherine Austin Fitts - We’ve Reached “Never Never Land” Accounting
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Published on Sep 15, 2018

Investment advisor and former Assistant Secretary of Housing, Catherine Austin Fitts, predicts the global financial system “will take some big hits before the end of the year.” Fitts explains, “Right now, economists say the dollar is ‘dangerous and dominant.’ It’s still, if you look at the market shares around the world, it’s still very, very significant portion of total reserves. So, it’s still very important. At the same time, the U.S. dollar hegemony is probably not going to last forever . . . So, I think the long term dollar looks very weak. Short term, it doesn’t look like it’s coming apart anytime soon, as far as I can see. What that means is when you have something that is dangerous and dominant, you have the possibility of extreme volatility events. That’s the new code word for the ‘you know what’ hits the, you know what. Whether it’s different countries exploding economically, or we whether are pressuring people that makes them very uncomfortable, these kinds of fights over shrinking pies are very dangerous because they mean covert wars. They mean overt wars, and the more we steal pies from each other instead of make new pies, the worse the situation gets. That’s what you are seeing. The system is not stable.”

Fitts goes on to say, “The real push are for real assets: real assets reflected in a stock, or real assets reflected by real estate or precious metals.”

There is good reason people are going to real assets. The U.S. government is “missing” $21 trillion between the DOD and HUD. This fact was uncovered by Fitts and economist Dr. Mark Skidmore last year. What was the government’s answer to this gigantic accounting fraud that is the size of the federal deficit? Give the government’s budgets basically classified national security status. Fitts says, “Apparently, the people leading the audit have come to them and said if we do this audit, we will disclose classified projects. So, the board (Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board – FASAB) came out with a new policy. I say it is illegal. You cannot do it under the financial management laws, and you certainly cannot do it under the Constitution, and it said you can keep classified off the books, which means you can cook the books and you can basically do whatever you want. This matches up with the waiver given to the national security advisor that says corporations, if he waives them (regulations), can also cook their books with the SEC.

Now, we have the corporations making money, and they can cook their books under the law, and apparently the government can too. So, when the board made the statement and announced this new policy, they made the point that if they didn’t do this, the only alternative was to redact the Department of Defense financial statements, which meant you would have to redact the U.S. government’s financial statements, which means we have reached “Never, Never Land,” which also means the whole thing is a joke. . . . As a matter of policy, they are saying you have to give them, for the IRS, for the Census and all these other things, complete financial disclosure and honest financial disclosure by pain of law or you go to prison, but they can make up whatever they want. They can publish financial statements that are complete fiction with no accountability to you and call it national security. What this is doing is engineering complete financial insecurity for every American citizen. This is the end of financial security.”

In closing, Fitts says, “I am a gold fan. . . . You also want to have as little leverage and debt as possible. . . . I am also a silver fan, and I am getting reports that silver is getting hard to find. Gold is down 8% for the year and silver is down 16%, but go and try to buy a bunch of silver. It’s tough.”

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Catherine Austin Fitts, Publisher of The Solari Report (https://home.solari.com).

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Running Dear! Our Special Lady mentions China quite a bit in this episode! Isn't it wonderful to be able to keep learning?! C.A. Fitts us SUCH an Amazing Lady & so kind to share her knowledge with all of us! :sun:

[RunningDeer]

Thanks, Running Dear! Our Special Lady mentions China quite a bit in this episode! Isn't it wonderful to be able to keep learning?! C.A. Fitts us SUCH an Amazing Lady & so kind to share her knowledge with all of us! :sun:

A lot of people agree. The vid has over 103,000 views in less than two day. :thumbsup:


https://i.imgur.com/n1VSg3N.jpg

[Deux Corbeaux]

............
That's proof enough that the Chinese way of life is deleterious to freedom loving people everywhere. They need to hide their way of life from the world because it is a brutal and repugnant Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communist regime.

Officially, China is still a developing country. But my experience of two weeks in China left me thinking that I was visiting a country as rich as any I had visited before. The trip showed me how important it is for Westerners to change our perception of China so we can make more informed decisions, particularly when it comes to recognizing our own place in the world relative to others.

As said Björn Conrad, vice president of the Mercator Institute for China Studies, “It’s a developed country in its shiny cities on the eastern coast, it’s a developing country in its poor regions in the west.
It’s a developed country if you look at number of Starbucks or literacy rate; it’s a developing country if you look at the numbers of doctors per capita or percentage of the workforce in agriculture.”

I had underestimated the impact of China’s economic growth.
Subways were modern, spacious, and with air-conditioning. Mobile 4G internet worked on underground metro, on high-speed trains, and even on the short, very fast magnetically levitated train in Shanghai.

As I told earlier, Chinese law inhibits the use of Google and a few other sites. It may be a bit of an inconvenience, but I heard it can be fixed with the use of a VPN (Virtual Private Network), which will use the internet as if you were in a country outside of China. This will allow you to use Gmail, YouTube or Facebook, if you need to.

I admid that my experience was limited to what I saw in three of China’s biggest cities, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Beijing. Still, each of those cities had better infrastructure than any world-class city I’ve visited.

There’s no denying China’s problems. Its cities may offer world-class comforts, but China’s human rights record is dismal. Pollution in cities, especially in Beijing, can get very bad. And as a socialist state run by a single political party, the government has the ability to place strict control on speech.

Western ideas and narratives about China tend to be very negative. They paint a limited picture of China, which may cause many people to come away with misguided ideas about what daily life there is like.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Deux! Your insights are so valuable. :highfive: I would agree that we all need to readjust our thinking about China.

Do you think the Silk Road will be their method of control? Interesting that a VPN could get around the internet control! I'm quite illiterate in that type of thing!

Would you say the tentacles of Chinese power extending around the world are like what the British Empire did? I still can't get over the fact of a Yale-China connection dating from 1903! :silent:

[Deux Corbeaux]

Do you think the Silk Road will be their method of control?



“One strong incentive is that Trans-Eurasian trade infrastructure could bolster poorer countries to the south of China, as well as boost global trade. Domestic regions are also expected to benefit – especially the less-developed border regions in the west of the country, such as Xinjiang.

The economic benefits, both domestically and abroad, are many, but perhaps the most obvious is that trading with new markets could go a long way towards keeping China’s national economy buoyant.

Among domestic markets set to gain from future trade are Chinese companies – such as those in transport and telecoms – which now look poised to grow into global brands.

Chinese manufacturing also stands to gain. The country’s vast industrial overcapacity – mainly in the creation of steel and heavy equipment – could find lucrative outlets along the New Silk Road, and this could allow Chinese manufacturing to swing towards higher-end industrial goods.”

Read further.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/china-new-silk-road-explainer/

[Ernie Nemeth]

There is an interesting corollary here about 'the big city mentality'. I find that as the decades go by, the mindset of the populace is becoming more 'city wise'. The mentality of the city dweller is not the same as that of someone in a small town, farm or village. Often the connection to the land is missing and appreciation of nature.

Also, whenever a solution is considered it always comes with a massive price tag and long delays. Common sense is often illusive whereas ruralites use it naturally, without the need for a committee or study. It is what keeps them out of harms way - and keeps their money in their pockets.

As we pack ourselves ever tighter, ever higher, into tiny boxes, the need for bureaucracy has increased tremendously. In a small town it is rare to meet a stranger, in the city everybody is a stranger. The city jail is always packed but the village jail holds only the town drunk - with jail cell door open...

The city mentality is what is creating the new world order. The city mentality reaches out with its bureaucracy to dominate. A small town reaches out with open hands to help.

This is the mentality that is creating the New China. Rural areas are uprooted in the name of progress and millions are dislocated - severed from the land of their ancestors. The belt road and power stations and dams are for the cities, not the towns. Over a billion peasants toil in the outlying regions while a mere few hundred million enjoy 'the modern lifestyle'. Yet those hundreds of millions are growing quickly (in America the entire population is 300,000,000+!) . There are cities built in China where no one yet lives...

But I watch for this city attitude. It is prevalent these days. The army of bureaucrats that we have trained in our universities have conquered the mind set of the urbanites, monetized every aspect of life, and dominated the rhetoric - the story we tell ourselves about ourselves.

But since that story is itself a severely edited version of the truth and wrought with errors, lies, omissions, and subterfuge any conclusions based on that city mentality will be skewed in favor of the bureaucratic ideology.

Unfortunately, that always favors centralized control, autocratic rule, and the eradication of human rights and freedoms.

[Flash]

This is how you disappear in China even if you are their biggest star - talk about full control!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-45034392

'Disappearance' of top Chinese actress Fan Bingbing concerns fans
By Kerry Allen
BBC Monitoring
1 August 2018

Fan Bingbing recently received global attention for her appearance as Blink in the X-Men film franchise
Chinese social media users are questioning the whereabouts of one of China's biggest film stars.

Fan Bingbing is one of the world's highest paid actors, but media reports in the country say that she hasn't been seen in public since 1 July when she visited a children's hospital.

Social media users are also noting her unusual silence on the popular Sina Weibo microblog, where she has more than 62 million followers. She has not been active on her account since 23 July, when she "liked" a number of posts.

In May, prominent TV presenter Cui Yongyuan appeared to accuse Fan Bingbing of tax evasion. Her studio has denied any wrongdoing,

It has not commented on her whereabouts.

Social media concern
Ms Fan is known internationally as a singer and model, as well as for her appearance in the X-Men film franchise.

She is one of China's most influential celebrities and posts regularly on her Weibo account. Her posts consistently receive thousands of user comments.

China caps film stars' pay over 'money worship and tax evasion'
China's online celebrity economy
Is it a golden age for Chinese cinema?
This makes her current online silence unusual, and hundreds of thousands of social media users have been voicing their concern.

Many are replying to her most recent post on 2 June and asking for her to release a statement and confirm that she is well.

The normally active blogger's last Weibo post was on 2 June, and has hundreds of thousands of comments from concerned users
"We love you, Fan Bingbing," many users say. Another adds: "We are waiting for an answer."

Others question if she has been detained, but at present this is pure speculation. They note the recent, highly circulated allegations surrounding her in relation to a wider government tax evasion probe.

Some celebrities are alleged to have used so-called "yin-yang" contracts: dual contracts in which one sets out an actor's real earnings, and another details a lower figure, with the latter submitted to the tax authorities.

In June, the actress's studio addressed these allegations and said that the star had never signed dual contracts, "The studio and Fan Bingbing will fully cooperate with the relevant authority. We hope the investigation result can be released soon to answer the public doubt."

Will censorship kill Chinese filmmaking?

Report censored
In the past week, concern about Ms Fan among social media users has risen after a financial newspaper carried a controversial article hinting that she was under investigation.

The Economic Observer claimed on 26 July that several of Ms Fan's staff were being questioned by the police, and that her brother had been told that he was not allowed to leave the country. He has not commented.

Posts mentioning the Economic Observer article and an alleged investigation into Fan's staff have been censored from social media
The article was swiftly taken offline, and multiple posts that mentioned it, including some by state-affiliated media have been censored according to Free Weibo, a censorship-monitoring website.

Many financial newspapers in China are independent, but given their traditionally niche subject matter, are often overlooked by the government censors.

Media hint at concerns
Mainstream state media have steered clear of reporting on the whereabouts of Ms Fan.

Financial media have noted that the market value of Huayi Brothers, the production company that she is signed up to, has plunged some seven per cent in the past week. However, the company has since released a statement saying that this is unrelated to Ms Fan.

Independent media including Caixin Online have reported on the "rumours" that Ms Fan has been detained, and note that her studio has not responded to phone calls from the media or fans.

Some outlets say this could be because members of her staff are being investigated, but this is unconfirmed and both Ms Fan and her team could simply be taking a break from the limelight.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMRmRQEbTBg

[Foxie Loxie]

Deux...Many thanks for the excellent article on the One Belt One Road; helps one to understand a little better!

Ernie...Excellent point on "the city mentality"! It becomes more of a "rat race" there, from what I have seen.

Flash...Thanks for bringing to our attention the "missing" film star from China!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Helvetic posted a great interview with F. William Engdahl in the thread listed below. Engdahl gives his thoughts on China's long-term plan in several parts of the thread. Very informative.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104360-F.-William-Engdahl-Prospects-of-War-with-Russia-China&p=1249545&viewfull=1#post1249545

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Ba-ba-Ra! Engdahl is one knowledgeable dude!! :highfive:

[Deux Corbeaux]

China is a place with many unusual annual traditions, including a mud-flinging festival in the country’s tropical southwest and a June celebration of eating worms.
But one of the most exotic rituals comes in spring, when residents of Dongyang, 250 km south west of Shanghai, chow down on the town's local delicacy Virgin Boy Eggs.

No, they aren't the the testicles of children as one might guess, just regular chicken eggs simmered in steaming pots of ... wait for it ... boys’ urine.

The recipe for Virgin Boy Eggs is quite simple really. One first collects a bucket of pee from the local primary school. Only the water of boys under the age of ten is suitable.

Virgin Boy Eggs are first soaked in in a pot of urine, then brought to a boil. Once firm, the eggs' shells are cracked to allow fuller penetration, and bathed regularly through out the day with fresh piss to prevent them from overheating.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tk7t8QU454

[Foxie Loxie]

Good Grief!! :silent:

[TomKat]

They can build fast, high and beautiful.

The Shanghai tower, with a twist.... took my breath away.

The second highest building in the world. 632 meter high.

http://i68.tinypic.com/lb4ls.jpgh

Sometimes I watch the youtube guys that ride around China on their motorbikes. One episode was about all the newer buildings that are falling down.

[Deux Corbeaux]

China Publishes Massive "White Paper" Explaining Beijing's Position On Trade War


Shortly after the Trump admin enacted another $200BN in tariffs on Chinese imports just after midnight on Monday, China published a white paper to "clarify the facts about China-US economic and trade relations, demonstrate its stance on trade friction with the United States, and pursue reasonable solutions", the Global Times reported.

Excluding the foreword, the massive, 36,000-Chinese-character white paper is comprised of six parts, which are

- mutually-beneficial and win-win China-US cooperation in the trade and economic field,
- clarification of the facts about China-US trade and economic relations,
- the trade protectionist practices of the US administration,
- the trade bullyism practices of the US administration,
- damage of the improper practices of the US administration to global economy, and
- China's position.

China is the world's biggest developing country and the United States is the biggest developed country, said the white paper. "Trade and economic relations between China and the United States are of great significance for the two countries as well as for the stability and development of the world economy."

The white paper said the two countries are at different stages of development and have different economic systems, and therefore some level of trade friction is only natural. "The key, however, lies in how to enhance mutual trust, promote cooperation, and manage differences."

In the spirit of equality, rationality, and moving to meet each other halfway, the two countries have set up a number of communication and coordination mechanisms such as the Joint Commission on Commerce and Trade, the Strategic and Economic Dialogue, and the Comprehensive Economic Dialogue, the white paper said.

Each has made tremendous efforts over the past 40 years to overcome all kinds of obstacles and move economic and trade relations forward, which has served as the ballast and propeller of the overall bilateral relationship, according to the white paper.

However, the new administration of the US government has trumpeted "America First" since taking office in 2017, and has abandoned the fundamental norms of mutual respect and equal consultation that guide international relations, according to the authors:
"Rather, it has brazenly preached unilateralism, protectionism and economic hegemony, making false accusations against many countries and regions, particularly China, intimidating other countries through economic measures such as imposing tariffs, and attempting to impose its own interests on China through extreme pressure."

The white paper stressed China has responded from the perspective of the common interests of both parties as well as the world trade order, observing the principle of resolving disputes through dialogue and consultation, and answering the US concerns with the greatest level of patience and good faith.

The Chinese side has been dealing with these differences with an attitude of seeking common ground while shelving divergence, the white paper said. "It has overcome many difficulties and made enormous efforts to stabilize China-US economic and trade relations by holding rounds of discussions with the US side and proposing practical solutions."

However, the US side has been contradicting itself and constantly challenging China, the white paper said.

"As a result, trade and economic friction between the two sides has escalated quickly over a short period of time, causing serious damage to the economic and trade relations which have developed over the years through the collective work of the two governments and the two peoples, and posing a grave threat to the multilateral trading system and the principle of free trade."

The Chinese government published the white paper to clarify the facts about China-US economic and trade relations, demonstrate China's stance on trade friction with the United States, and pursue reasonable solutions.

It is 100% certain that nobody in Trump's inner circle - and certainly not Peter Navarro - will ever read the report.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-24/china-publishes-massive-white-paper-explaining-beijings-position-trade-war

[norman]

Has China Taken Over America?

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Published on 28 Sep 2018



Millie Weaver covers statements recently made by Alex Jones at a rally in Austin, Texas where he alleges that China and big tech have unilaterally compromised the United States. Are the statements made by Alex Jones' true or just a conspiracy theory? Let's investigate.




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[Star Tsar]

The US? I Dunno! The Moon? Soon!


SputnikNews.com

Chinese Lunar Goals

Published 1st October 2018

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/52d4026b6da811a82ac79b4b-2795-2096/yutu-lunar-rover.jpg

Li Guoping, director of systems engineering @ China National Space Administration (CNSA) set out China's lunar program ambitious goals including exploring both poles of the moon by the year 2030 & further in the future sending manned missions & establishing a permanent lunar base, whist in attendance @ the world conference on science literacy held in Bejing last month.

Read all about it here: https://sputniknews.com/science/201810011068500311-China-Probes-Manned-Missions-Base-Moon/

[Merlinus]

The Chinese state is setting up a vast ranking system system that will monitor the behaviour of its enormous population, and rank them all based on their "social credit."


The program is due to be fully operational by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people already. The scheme is mandatory.


https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/china-social-credit-system-punishments-rewards-explained-a8297486.html

[norman]

The Chinese state is setting up a vast ranking system system that will monitor the behaviour of its enormous population, and rank them all based on their "social credit."


The program is due to be fully operational by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people already. The scheme is mandatory.


https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/china-social-credit-system-punishments-rewards-explained-a8297486.html




1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.

2. Throttling your internet speeds.

3. Banning you or your kids from the best schools.

4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.

5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.

6. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.


A prototype blacklist already exists, and has been used to punish people.

There is also a list for good citizens — that will reportedly get you more matches on dating websites.

They can also get discounts on energy bills, rent things without deposits, and get better interest rates at banks.


Despite the creepiness of the system — Human Rights Watch called it "chilling," while Botsman called it "a futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control" — some citizens say it's making them better people already.


"For example, when we drive, now we always stop in front of crosswalks. If you don’t stop, you will lose your points".

[Foxie Loxie]

Total control?! However, when one thinks back on the Chinese dynasties, were the "little people" any better off during their time periods?

It's that darned American Revolution that upset the applecart for the Controllers! :bigsmile:

[Flash]

Total control?! However, when one thinks back on the Chinese dynasties, were the "little people" any better off during their time periods?

It's that darned American Revolution that upset the applecart for the Controllers! :bigsmile:

or the French revolution in 1750 :p:p

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The Chinese state is setting up a vast ranking system system that will monitor the behaviour of its enormous population, and rank them all based on their "social credit."


The program is due to be fully operational by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people already. The scheme is mandatory.


https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/china-social-credit-system-punishments-rewards-explained-a8297486.html




1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.

2. Throttling your internet speeds.

3. Banning you or your kids from the best schools.

4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.

5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.

6. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.


A prototype blacklist already exists, and has been used to punish people.

There is also a list for good citizens — that will reportedly get you more matches on dating websites.

They can also get discounts on energy bills, rent things without deposits, and get better interest rates at banks.


Despite the creepiness of the system — Human Rights Watch called it "chilling," while Botsman called it "a futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control" — some citizens say it's making them better people already.


"For example, when we drive, now we always stop in front of crosswalks. If you don’t stop, you will lose your points".

I hope some wizard will find a way to put a virus on that system to make sure it is non functional forever.

[Carmody]

There is an interesting corollary here about 'the big city mentality'. I find that as the decades go by, the mindset of the populace is becoming more 'city wise'. The mentality of the city dweller is not the same as that of someone in a small town, farm or village. Often the connection to the land is missing and appreciation of nature.

Also, whenever a solution is considered it always comes with a massive price tag and long delays. Common sense is often illusive whereas ruralites use it naturally, without the need for a committee or study. It is what keeps them out of harms way - and keeps their money in their pockets.

As we pack ourselves ever tighter, ever higher, into tiny boxes, the need for bureaucracy has increased tremendously. In a small town it is rare to meet a stranger, in the city everybody is a stranger. The city jail is always packed but the village jail holds only the town drunk - with jail cell door open...

The city mentality is what is creating the new world order. The city mentality reaches out with its bureaucracy to dominate. A small town reaches out with open hands to help.

This is the mentality that is creating the New China. Rural areas are uprooted in the name of progress and millions are dislocated - severed from the land of their ancestors. The belt road and power stations and dams are for the cities, not the towns. Over a billion peasants toil in the outlying regions while a mere few hundred million enjoy 'the modern lifestyle'. Yet those hundreds of millions are growing quickly (in America the entire population is 300,000,000+!) . There are cities built in China where no one yet lives...

But I watch for this city attitude. It is prevalent these days. The army of bureaucrats that we have trained in our universities have conquered the mind set of the urbanites, monetized every aspect of life, and dominated the rhetoric - the story we tell ourselves about ourselves.

But since that story is itself a severely edited version of the truth and wrought with errors, lies, omissions, and subterfuge any conclusions based on that city mentality will be skewed in favor of the bureaucratic ideology.

Unfortunately, that always favors centralized control, autocratic rule, and the eradication of human rights and freedoms.

Commodification.

[Deux Corbeaux]

Recent projects by the Chinese government and declassified files from the United Kingdom suggest China may know more about alien life than we previously thought..



Has China Found A UFO?

Recent projects by the Chinese government and declassified files from the United Kingdom suggest China may know more about alien life than we previously thought..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esTK_xGoc1c

In November 2011, Google Maps uncovered bizarre structures in the Gobi Desert, in northern China In one location, strange striations, 20 metres wide, cover an area more than one kilometre wide and two kilometres long

At another place, this striking circular construct seems like a landing stage for something inhumanly large The scale of the structures indicates they are designed to be seen from a very high altitude, like the Nazca lines in Peru But unlike the Nazca lines, which can be seen from a plane, the Chinese structures are best approached from outer space… The Chinese government has refused to divulge the purpose of these remarkable sites The mainstream media immediately compared it to America’s Area 51 As a result, the media also speculated that China was using these sites to communicate with extraterrestrial life, inviting aliens to land in its back yard

The newspapers did not realise their suspicions were shared by the British government In June 2013, Whitehall declassified files from its top secret UFO Desk They reveal that between 1947 and 1997, the Ministry of Defense ran undercover UFO investigations On the one hand, it collected reports of UFO sightings in Britain On the other hand, it sent spies into the field to investigate these claims

To identify UFOs, agents were told to “Look out for high velocities, sharp manoeuvring, stationary 'flight', and few radar returns” University lecturer Dr David Clarke, the curator for The National Archives UFO project from 2008 to 2013, says, “The MoD… desperately [tried] to delay the release of these formerly secret and highly sensitive papers for more than a decade… Even though they have been partly censored they can’t conceal the fact the UK military was interested in capturing UFO technology And the files reveal they were desperate to capture this technology – wherever it came from – before the Russians or the Chinese got hold of it first” In a declassified report called, “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK Air Defense Region”, the Royal Air Force says it was “particularly interested in… propulsion, stealth and any novel electromagnetic technologies” An anonymous senior commander says, “An actual or potential enemy could develop a flying device with the characteristics that [UFO] phenomena seem to have” According to the files, the Ministry of Defence suspected China had found an alien UFO and impounded it, and was developing highly advanced weapons from it In particular, British spies believed the Chinese were using alien secrets to develop superfast aircraft that were undetectable to radar

The Chinese certainly haven’t hidden their interest in UFOs UFOlogy in China essentially began in November 1978, when the Communist Party’s official newspaper People’s Daily published an article about UFOs by a researcher at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences Then in 1979, Sun Shili co-founded China’s first UFO association By 1988, the China UFO Association had 50,000 members By the 1990s, there were dozens of alien encounters each year in China

Not long before these strange sites became public knowledge in 2011, China started building the world's largest filled-aperture radio telescope, in Guizhou province in southwest China It cost nearly half a billion dollars, and is known as Tianyan or “Heavenly Eye” Overseen by the Chinese Academy of Sciences, its dish is bigger than 30 football fields and sensitive enough to detect spy satellites even when they’re not broadcasting It is Earth’s first observatory custom-built to listen for a message from extraterrestrial intelligence This means that if any humans are to make first contact, it is most likely to be the Chinese

Ross Andersen, senior editor of The Atlantic, says, “International protocols require the disclosure of first contact, but they are nonbinding Maybe China would go public with the signal but withhold its star of origin [Or] maybe China would make the signal a state secret

” The Tianyan dish has been operational since 2016 For all we know, China could have already made first contact Yet, the Tianyen dish is run as part of the internationally co-ordinated Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence, or SETI SETI oversees and monitors the dish’s data collection It is highly unlikely it would receive an alien signal without scientists in America and elsewhere finding out about it

As for the strange structures in the Gobi Desert, they are designed to be seen from outer space – but not by alien eyes Jonathon Hill, a research technician and mission planner at the Mars Space Flight Facility at Arizona State University, says the zigzagging white lines are targets for calibrating spy satellites He also says the landing pad site is really “a calibration test target for orbital radar instruments” This may explain why there are fighter jets parked at the centre of the circle Speaking of fighter jets, China continues to expand its fleet of military aircraft, and will soon be a leading military power in the sky

However, it has only recently begun developing its own aircraft designs Until a decade ago, China relied on adopting designs and seeking engineering support from its neighbours, like Russia and Ukraine Meanwhile, in England, even though the Ministry of Defence feared China possessed a UFO, they clearly gave up pursuing it On 11th November, 2009, RAF Air Command told Defence Minister Carl Mantell that the MoD “should seek to reduce very significantly the UFO task which is consuming increasing resource, but produces no valuable defence output‟ They argued that in more than 50 years, “no UFO sighting reported to [us] has ever revealed anything to suggest an extra-terrestrial presence or military threat to the UK

[I]nvestigations into UFO sightings, even from more reliable sources, serve no useful purpose and merely divert air defence specialists from their primary tasks Accordingly, no further investigations should be carried out into UFO reports received from any source‟ In 2010, the UFO files were transferred to Britain’s National Archives and the last UFO desk officer was redeployed In an email dated to 2nd June, 2009, the officer wrote, “Naturally a section of ufologists will never be convinced [that UFOs aren’t real], but frankly, whatever we say, they will choose to believe whatever they believe and we will never convince them otherwise

‟ We cannot blame them Until 1967, the Ministry of Defence’s policy was to destroy UFO files every five years Many records have been lost In China, public interest in UFOs has dwindled Sun Shili says this isn’t surprising because “There hasn’t been a breakthrough, and reports [of sightings] are repetitive and unfounded… [But] I believe [interest in UFOs] will never wane because humans are naturally curious about the universe

[AuCo]

Vice president Pence's speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qcRbTCO4yE, at 11:07 marks the pinnacle of the CCP's rule: "While our administration continues to respect our One China policy, ... America will always believe that Taiwan's embrace of democracy shows a better path for all of the Chinese people!"

[Deux Corbeaux]

Inside 'Belt and Road,' China's mega-project that is linking 70 countries across Asia, Europe, and Africa

China is currently undertaking what it considers the largest project of the century — building a network of railroads and shipping lanes linking itself with 70 countries across Asia, Africa, Europe, and Oceania.

The main focuses of the "Belt and Road" initiative — also known as "One Belt, One Road" — are in infrastructure, transportation, and energy.

Countries including India, Pakistan, Russia, New Zealand and Poland have all joined in the project. Together they make up at least a third of the world's GDP.

Scroll down to learn more about

* "Belt and Road" is a massive trade and infrastructure project that aims to link China — physically and financially — to dozens of economies across Asia, Europe, Africa, and Oceania.


* It consists of two parts: The "Belt," which recreates an old Silk Road land route, and the "Road," which is not actually a road, but a route through various oceans.


* As of January 2018, 71 countries (including China) are taking part in the project. They include India, Pakistan, Poland, Turkey, New Zealand, and Russia. Altogether, these 71 countries represent a third of the world's GDP.


* China has invested at least $900 billion (£635 billion) in projects along the belt and road, mainly in infrastructure, transport, and energy. These include a gas pipeline in Pakistan, a motorway in Hungary, and a high-speed rail link in Thailand.


* Countries that haven't joined Belt and Road have also profited from the mega-project — Western multinationals like General Electric and Caterpillar in the US, and DHL in Germany, have all signed trade agreements to build Belt and Road projects.


* Belt and Road is a pet project of Chinese President Xi Jinping, the country's most powerful leader since the founding of modern China. Officials looking to curry favour with Xi reportedly cite Belt and Road to get projects approved.


* Britain isn't part of Belt and Road, and its stance is unclear. Prior to her trip to China, UK Prime Minister Theresa May refused to formally endorse the project, and said it would only contribute to global growth if it was "well implemented"...


* ... while Chancellor Philip Hammond has appeared keen for Britain to join Belt and Road. Speaking in China last December, he expressed his wish for "closer collaboration in delivering the ambitions of the Belt and Road programme."


* The US isn't a part of Belt and Road, but formally recognised it in a statement last May following the signing of a bilateral trade deal.


* Belt and Road also has its critics. Although India is part of the programme, it opposes China's investment in an economic corridor linking it to Pakistan because it passes through Kashmir, a contested territory between the two countries.


* Other countries say Belt and Road is actually a series of exclusive bilateral deals between China and other economies, but is touted as a multilateral project. If true, this would violate EU standards.


* China's ambitions appear to go even beyond Asia, Europe, Africa, and Oceania. Last week, the country announced plans for a "Polar Silk Road," which aims to build infrastructure and explore shipping routes across the Arctic.


* In 2016, China also established the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, an international development bank to help build infrastructure in region — almost like the Asia-Pacific equivalent of the IMF. The UK, Germany, and France all joined despite the Obama administration warning its allies not to....


Read more http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/what-is-belt-and-road-china-infrastructure-project-2018-1

[Innocent Warrior]

China's Former Internet Czar Lu Wei Pleads Guilty to Bribery (19 Oct.)

Lu is charged with accepting money and property worth more than $4.6 million.

China’s state news agency Xinhua announced that Lu Wei, China’s former internet czar, went on trial on October 19 at the Intermediate People’s Court of Ningbo in Zhejiang province. According to Xinhua, Lu pleaded guilty to bribery in court.

In front of “60 people including national and local legislators, political advisors, press and members of the public,” Lu “made a final statement, pleaded guilty and expressed remorse in court,” Xinhua said. “The verdict will be announced in due course.”

As The Diplomat has been closely following, China established the Office of the Central Leading Group for Cyberspace Affairs, or the Cyberspace Administration of China (CAC) in 2014. Lu was appointed as the first director of the office. The CAC functions both as a government organ and a Party organ; this made Lu extremely powerful over China’s internet industry. He was thus called China’s internet czar. For example, most U.S. internet industry leaders, including Apple chief executive Tim Cook and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, had conducted high-profile meetings with Lu, in an attempt to charm the Chinese government.

MORE (https://thediplomat.com/2018/10/chinas-former-internet-czar-lu-wei-pleads-guilty-to-bribery/).

[Deux Corbeaux]

China’s solar energy explosion reveals a dim future for fossil fuels.

https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/china-solar-renewable-energy-panda-farm-2018-6


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGar6n24fOY

[norman]

The BBC World Service has a go at discussing the Chinese Social Score System.


MP3 [50 minutes]
https://app.box.com/s/qx5vf2cvn3z2ohuwwuhkak4b0c67o4d1

[Innocent Warrior]

Uyghur woman details life inside Chinese 're-education camp' in Xinjiang (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-08/uyghur-woman-details-life-inside-chinese-re-education-camp/10697044)

[ramus]

This is for Foxie Loxie ...hope she is still reading the forum. As usual the foreign investors are being taken again, 1st it was the Japanese when they were our biggest loaners, now it's the Chinese. The Japanese bought Pebble Beach for a billion and sold it for 200 million. The U.S. has much better crooks in real estate business than most others . This pattern of them ( foreign investers ) buying high and selling low as been going on for 30 years.

Also the Saudis are taking a hit with the Chrysler

New York (CNN Business)The Chrysler Building, the famous art deco New York skyscraper, will be sold for a small fraction of its previous sales price.
The deal, first reported by The Real Deal, was for $150 million, according to a source familiar with the deal.
Mubadala, an Abu Dhabi investment fund, purchased 90% of the building for $800 million in 2008. Real estate firm Tishman Speyer had owned the other 10%.

Iconic Chrysler Building will sell at a huge loss

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/08/business/chrysler-building-sale/index.html


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Chinese exiting US real estate as Beijing directs money back to shore up economy
Esther Fung
1/29/2019

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/chinese-exiting-us-real-estate-as-beijing-directs-money-back-to-shore-up-economy/ar-BBSSX4W


Chinese net purchases of U.S. commercial real estate last year dwindled to their lowest level since 2012, as Beijing kept up the pressure on Chinese investors to bring cash home during a period of worsening economic growth.

Insurers, conglomerates and other investors from mainland China were net sellers of $854 million of U.S. commercial property in the fourth quarter, according to Real Capital Analytics. That marked the third-straight quarter Chinese investors sold more U.S. property than they bought, the first time ever these investors have been sellers for that long a stretch.

The selling during most of 2018 marked a powerful reversal from the previous five years, when Chinese investors went on a massive buying spree, often handily outbidding other investors for U.S. trophy properties. They spent tens of billions dollars on luxury hotels like the landmark Waldorf Astoria in New York, a nearly $1 billion skyscraper development in Chicago, and a glitzy residential project in Beverly Hills, Calif.

Now, many of China’s biggest overseas real-estate investors are unloading some of the same prized assets, or at least reducing their U.S. exposure by selling stakes to new partners.

The turnabout last year reflects an effort by the Chinese government to stabilize its currency, reduce corporate debt, and help arrest the country’s economic slowdown by clamping down on certain overseas investments. Some Chinese developers, now facing tighter credit conditions at home, have tried to raise money instead by selling some of their U.S. properties.

Simmering trade and political tension between Washington and Beijing has also made the U.S. a less hospitable place to invest for Chinese firms, analysts say.

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Chinese were net buyers of $2.63 billion of U.S. real estate in 2018, the lowest total in six years, according to Real Capital. China would have been a big net seller for the entire year if not for a $11.6 billion purchase of GLP, formerly Global Logistic Properties Ltd, made by a consortium of Chinese buyers a year ago.

Chinese have also been selling their U.S. homes while fewer new buyers are showing up. Home purchases by Chinese in the U.S. tumbled 4% from April 2017 to March 2018 compared with the same period a year earlier, according to the most recently available data from the National Association of Realtors. That sharp decline reflected higher home prices, a strengthening dollar and tensions between the U.S. and China, economists say.

hina’s pullback from the U.S. property market is the latest sign that slowing growth in the world’s second largest economy is reverberating across the globe, roiling financial markets and undercutting corporate earnings. China recently reported a 6.6% growth rate for 2018, the worst annual expansion since 1990 and a sharper slowdown than Beijing expected.

Chinese authorities aren’t likely to loosen capital controls anytime soon, and analysts expect Chinese investors to continue to dump U.S. real estate in 2019.

“They haven’t managed to stabilize anything, so the timeline is going to be extended,” said Arthur Margon, a partner at real-estate consulting firm Rosen Consulting Group, referring to China’s currency control policy.

China began investing heavily in the U.S. real-estate market a few years ago after Beijing loosened restrictions on foreign investment. Some Chinese investors were attracted to the stable returns in the U.S. property market and saw it as a way to diversify their holdings.

Yet some Chinese buyers seemed more interested in scooping up trophy properties that their new owners felt brought prestige, political clout and helped promote their brands for global expansion, analysts said. And while Chinese buyers never represented more than a fraction of the activity in any major U.S. city, the big checks they wrote helped push values higher in certain segments of the market.

“Without that big push from Chinese investors, the market doesn’t have that rocket-propelling fuel to it,” said Mr. Margon.

Anbang Insurance Group Co. paid the highest purchase price ever for a U.S. hotel with its $1.95 billion acquisition of New York’s Waldorf Astoria hotel in 2015. The owner is renovating the property and converting a number of hotel rooms into private residences.

But the insurer, now controlled by the Chinese government after its former chairman was detained and subsequently convicted on fraud and embezzlement charges, has placed another portfolio of luxury hotels in the U.S. for sale.

Other heavily indebted companies such as HNA Group and Dalian Wanda Group have also unloaded their properties in New York City, San Francisco, Minneapolis and Beverly Hills, Calif., after facing pressure from Beijing officials to rein in their aggressive expansion plans.

Brokers and bankers said most of these weren’t distressed sales. Even if the sellers sold for less than they bought, they likely still made a profit after converting proceeds to the weakened Chinese currency. The yuan has declined by around 12% against the dollar since the start of 2014.

Some Chinese investors are still interested in the U.S. real-estate market. But rather than pursuing soaring skyscrapers or luxury hotels, they have focused on more mundane properties, such as warehouses and smaller retail buildings such as convenience stores that offer steadier returns.

China Life Insurance recently acquired an 80% stake in 10 shopping centers in places such as Marietta, Ga., and Charleston, S.C.. through a joint venture with Site Centers Corp. that valued the portfolio at around $607 million

While transactions above $1 billion now look like a thing of the past, there is still Chinese interest in real-estate projects selling for less than $30 million, said Xinyi McKinny, senior managing director of China Direct Investment at property consulting firm Cushman & Wakefield.

“Investors are more returns-driven versus before, when it was ‘I want to own the most expensive building in downtown New York or downtown San Francisco,’” she said.

[Bill Ryan]

From https://bbc.com/news/uk-50883161

Tesco halts production at Chinese factory over alleged 'forced' labour

22 Dec, 2019

Tesco has suspended production of charity Christmas cards at a factory in China after a six-year-old girl found a message from workers inside one.

The note, found by Florence Widdicombe, was allegedly written by prisoners in Shanghai claiming they were "forced to work against our will".

"Please help us and notify human rights organisation," the message said.

Tesco said it was "shocked" by the report, adding: "We would never allow prison labour in our supply chain."

The supermarket said it would de-list the supplier of the cards, Zhejiang Yunguang Printing, if it was found to have used prison labour.

Florence was writing cards to her school friends when she found that one of them - featuring a kitten with a Santa hat - had already been written in.

In block capitals, it said:
WE ARE FOREIGN PRISONERS IN SHANGHAI QINGPU PRISON CHINA. FORCED TO WORK AGAINST OUR WILL. PLEASE HELP US AND NOTIFY HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANISATION.
It asked whoever found the message to contact Peter Humphrey, a British journalist who was himself imprisoned there four years ago.

Florence, from Tooting in south London, told BBC News she was writing "my sixth or eighth card" when she saw "somebody had already written in it".

"It made me feel shocked," she said, adding that when it was explained to her what the message meant she felt "sad".

Her father, Ben Widdicombe, said he first felt "incredulity" at discovering the message, adding he first thought it was "some sort of prank".

"But on reflection we realised it was potentially quite a serious thing," he said. "I felt very shocked but also felt a responsibility to pass it on to Peter Humphrey as the author asked me to do."

He said: "It hits home. There are injustices in the world and there are people in difficult situations and we know about that and we read about that each and every day.

"There is something about that message hitting home at Christmas... that really does make it very poignant and very powerful."

He added: "It could have ended up anywhere. And indeed we have many cards as all families do that are left over and we put them in a drawer and forget about them.

There is an incredible element of chance in all of this that the card was written, it got to us and we opened it on the day we did."

A Tesco spokeswoman said: "We were shocked by these allegations and immediately halted production at the factory where these cards are produced and launched an investigation."

The supermarket said it has a "comprehensive auditing system" to ensure suppliers are not exploiting forced labour.

The factory in question was checked only last month and no evidence of it breaking the ban on prison labour was found, it said.

Sales of charity Christmas cards at the company's supermarkets raise £300,000 a year for the British Heart Foundation, Cancer Research UK and Diabetes UK.

The retailer has not received any other complaints from customers about messages inside Christmas cards.

'Very bleak life'

The message in the card urged the recipient to contact Peter Humphrey, who was formerly imprisoned at Qingpu (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-33180101) on what he described as "bogus charges that were never heard in court".

After the Widdicombe family sent him a message via Linkedin, Mr Humphrey said he then contacted ex-prisoners who confirmed inmates had been forced to work.

He then wrote the story for the Sunday Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tesco-charity-cards-packed-by-chinas-prison-slaves-v9psp9fqx).

Mr Humphrey told the BBC: "I spent two years in captivity in Shanghai between 2013 and 2015 and my final nine months of captivity was in this very prison in this very cell block where this message has come from.

"So this was written by some of my cellmates from that period who are still there serving sentences.

"I'm pretty sure this was written as a collective message. Obviously one single hand produced this capital letters' handwriting and I think I know who it was, but I will never disclose that name."

He said the cell block of foreign prisoners has about 250 people in it, who are living a "very bleak daily life" with 12 prisoners per cell.

"They sleep in very rusty iron bunkbeds with a mattress which is no more than about 1cm thick underneath," he said.

"In the winter it's extremely cold, there's no heating in the building and in the summer it's extremely hot because there is no air conditioning.

"They get up around 5:30 - 6:00am every day they have to go to bed again at about 9.30."

He said when he was in there, manufacturing labour work was voluntary - to earn money to buy soap or toothpaste - but that work has now become compulsory.

"Everyone I know in there at the time was in there for very questionable reasons," he said. "I met so many people who I considered to be the victims of wrongful imprisonment or at least reckless sentencing for minor offences."

Mr Humphrey said he believes those who wrote the note "knew very well what risks they were taking and they were prepared to take this risk".

"They know very well that if they're caught, they will be punished. They could be punished for example by losing some merit points or having some kind of deprivation of some of their food allowance.

"They could be punished by sending them to solitary confinement for a month or something like that where conditions are fairly harsh."

Mr Humphrey also said that censorship in the prison had increased, cutting off his usual methods of contacting prisoners he had met before his release in 2015.

"They resorted to the Qingpu equivalent of a message in a bottle, scribbled on a Tesco Christmas card," he said.

It is not the first time that prisoners in China have reportedly smuggled out messages in products they have been forced to make for Western markets.

In 2012, Julie Keith from Portland, Oregon, discovered an account of torture and persecution (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45976946) by a prisoner who said he was forced to manufacture the Halloween decorations she had purchased.

And in 2014, Karen Wisinska from Co Fermanagh in Northern Ireland, found a note on a pair of Primark trousers (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28018137) reading: "Our job inside the prison is to produce fashion clothes for export. We work 15 hours per day and the food we eat wouldn't even be given to dogs or pigs."

Under the UN's guidance for human rights and prisons, (https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publications/training11en.pdf) prisoners "should not be subordinated merely to making a profit either for the prison authorities or for a private contractor".

The standard minimum rules for the treatment of prisoners (https://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/TreatmentOfPrisoners.aspx) state: "Prison labour must not be of an afflictive nature."

[Delight]

These are frustrating to watch but informative.

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[Bill Ryan]

From https://project-syndicate.org/commentary/xi-controlocracy-spread-coronavirus-by-xiao-qiang-2020-02
10 Feb 2020

How Xi Jinping’s “Controlocracy” Lost Control

Although the global coronavirus epidemic has only recently made international headlines, some in China have known about it since the beginning of December. Thanks to Chinese President Xi Jinping's high-tech dictatorship, that information was not made public, and the virus was allowed to take off.

In his 2016 book The Perfect Dictatorship: China in the 21st Century (https://hkupress.hku.hk/pro/con/1576.pdf), Norwegian political scientist Stein Ringen describes contemporary China as a “controlocracy,” arguing that its system of government has been transformed into a new regime radically harder and more ideological than what came before. China’s “controlocracy” now bears primary responsibility for the coronavirus epidemic that is sweeping across that country and the world.

Over the past eight years, the central leadership of the Communist Party of China has taken steps to bolster President Xi Jinping’s personal authority, as well as expanding the CPC’s own powers, at the expense of ministries and local and provincial governments. The central authorities have also waged a sustained crackdown on dissent, which has been felt across all domains of Chinese social and political life.

Under the controlocracy, websites have been shut down; lawyers, activists, and writers have been arrested; and a general chill has descended upon online expression and media reporting. Equally important, the system Xi has installed since 2012 is also driving the direction of new technologies in China. Cloud computing, big data, and artificial intelligence (AI) are all being deployed to strengthen the central government’s control over society.

The first coronavirus case appeared in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province, on December 1, 2019, and, as early as the middle of the month, the Chinese authorities had evidence that the virus could be transmitted between humans. Nonetheless, the government did not officially acknowledge the epidemic on national television until January 20. During those seven weeks, Wuhan police punished eight health workers for attempting to sound the alarm on social media. They were accused (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-feared-dead-wuhan/) of “spreading rumors” and disrupting “social order.”

Meanwhile, the Hubei regional government continued to conceal the real number of coronavirus cases until after local officials had met with the central government in mid-January. In the event, overbearing censorship and bureaucratic obfuscation had squandered any opportunity to get the virus under control before it had spread across Wuhan, a city of 11 million people. By January 23, when the government finally announced a quarantine on Wuhan residents, around five million people had already left the city, triggering the epidemic that is now spreading across China and the rest of the world.

When the true scale of the epidemic finally became clear, Chinese public opinion reflected a predictable mix of anger, anxiety, and despair. People took to the Internet to vent their rage and frustration. But it did not take long for the state to crack down, severely limiting the ability of journalists and concerned citizens to share information about the crisis.

Then, on February 3, after Xi had chaired the Standing Committee’s second meeting on the epidemic, the CPC’s propaganda apparatus was ordered (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/world/asia/china-coronavirus-censorship.html) to “guide public opinion and strengthen information control.” In practice, this means that cutting-edge AI and big-data technologies are being used to monitor the entirety of Chinese public opinion online. The controlocracy is now running at full throttle, with facial-, image-, and voice-recognition algorithms being used to anticipate and suppress any potential criticism of the government, and to squelch all “unofficial” information about the epidemic.

On February 7, Li Wenliang, one of the physician-whistleblowers who tried to sound the alarm about the outbreak, died (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/asia/li-wenliang-coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-dies-intl/index.html) of coronavirus, which unleashed a firestorm on social media. The Chinese public is already commemorating him as a hero and victim who tried to tell the truth. Millions have taken to social media to express their grief, and to demand an apology from the Chinese government and freedom of expression.

For the first time since coming to power, Xi’s high-tech censorship machine is meeting with intense resistance from millions of Chinese Internet users. The controlocracy is being put to the test. Most likely, though, the outbreak itself will be used to justify even more surveillance and control of the population.Xi is an unabashed dictator. But his dictatorship is far from “perfect.” His obsessive need to control information has deprived Chinese citizens of their right to know what is happening in their communities, and potentially within their own bodies.

As of February 9, the outbreak has killed more than 900 people and infected another 40,000 in over 25 countries. For all its advanced digital technologies and extraordinary economic and military power, China is being governed as if it were a pre-modern autocracy. The Chinese people deserve better. Unfortunately, they and the rest of the world will continue to pay a high price for Xi’s hi-tech despotism.

[edina]

The Law of Unintended Consequences (https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/UnintendedConsequences.html) comes to mind.

Unless, this was intentional?

Forced online by virus, China’s schools run into censorship (AP YANAN WANG)
(https://apnews.com/cbde0ac8f6b52a37206a6f374e1f0398)

BEIJING (AP) — Less than 30 minutes into a lecture on bioinformatics, Chu Xinjian’s class was abruptly cut short.

It was the first day of an unusual semester. Across China, schools have been shut indefinitely to contain the spread of a new virus that has killed more than 3,000 people. Chu’s class was one of tens of thousands of courses, from grade school to university, being forced online.

Chu’s professor was painstakingly sending voice recordings to the class group chat when, without warning, the system disbanded the group for violating China’s Internet regulations — a pervasive, almost mundane part of life under Communist Party rule.

The students were puzzled. Was it the subject matter? Bioinformatics is the science of collecting and analyzing complex biological data. “I’m not sure exactly what phrases triggered it,” said Chu, who recounted the incident. “I guess we touched on some sensitive topic.”

Major social media platforms including Facebook, YouTube and Twitter are blocked in China, while homegrown ones such as Weibo and WeChat are heavily monitored and scrubbed for offensive content by the state Cyberspace Administration and police.

Now, the sudden arrival of public education onto platforms that are generally the domain of celebrity livestreamers has thrown the controls into stark relief. Classrooms are confronting the ubiquity and often arbitrary nature of the ruling Communist Party’s online censorship.

Biology courses have been blocked for “pornographic content.” History and politics classes are among the most vulnerable; subjects such as the Cultural Revolution (https://www.history.com/topics/china/cultural-revolution) and the Great Leap Forward (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward) are regularly censored in classes and online discussions.

Daily life in the world’s most populous nation has been radically transformed in the past six weeks. Once-bustling streets are empty, fast-food restaurants offer only takeout service and group activities have been replaced with remote everything — remote work, remote fitness class, remote schooling.

“Classes have stopped but learning will not,” the Education Ministry said in a February notice. It established 24,000 free online courses on 22 web platforms, covering both undergraduate and vocational disciplines.

Yet many lesson plans have been stymied by the country’s strict online regulators.

Louis Wang, a middle school history teacher in northeast China, said his workload has ballooned because of an arduous approval process for online classes.

While teachers have some leeway to facilitate spontaneous discussion in a classroom setting, online classes can be recorded, with the potential for clips to be taken out of context and circulated online.

“Every word that is spoken in a video recording must be pre-approved,” Wang said.

For him, that means writing word-for-word his entire lecture — about 5,000 Chinese characters — for review by school administrators.

Even seemingly non-controversial statements can run afoul of the censors.

Wang said one of his colleagues, a politics teacher, was trying to upload a document for his students with “socialism with Chinese characteristics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping_Thought)” in its title. The phrase was championed by former leader Deng Xiaoping and is still frequently used by the government today.

For reasons unexplained, the cloud platform blocked the document. It could be uploaded only after the overtly political phrase was removed.

Teachers are using workarounds to skirt a variety of digital obstacles. On the messaging app WeChat, documents can be rejected for transmission to a group chat if a file fails a “safety inspection.”

The same documents, however, can often be shared in direct messages, so some teachers have resorted to sending files to parents and students one-by-one.

“Teachers having their online classes blocked, that’s funny, because it’s too absurd,” Wang Yuechi, a well-known Chinese comedian wrote on his verified account on Weibo, an app similar to Twitter.

“This is not normal — it’s because there’s no freedom of speech,” he wrote. “Just like how it’s not normal that this post will also be deleted. I hope everyone can be aware of this. The absence of freedom of speech will impact our education, our lives. This has already happened. It’s not so funny now, is it?”

As Wang predicted, his post can no longer be viewed on Weibo.

Not every online class mishap involves censorship. Sometimes technical difficulties are the culprit.

Cheng Yufan, a university student in the southern province of Jiangsu, inadvertently became the host of a lecture on the first day of online classes last month.

When class was set to start, her philosophy professor was nowhere to be found, Cheng said. The professor was logged onto a different platform; meanwhile, the other one had designated Cheng as group administrator.

Their professor fared no better on the second platform. Internet connection issues resulted in Cheng and her classmates tuning into two hours of silence.

Afterwards, the unwitting professor wrote in their class group chat, “See you next time!”

[edina]

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[AuCo]

Pretty good synopsis of where China is heading:
"A Failure of Leadership, Part III: The Beginning of the End of China, By Peter Zeihan on May 15, 2020

The Chinese are intentionally torching their diplomatic relationships with the wider world. The question is why?" …

… "Whether or not the proximate cause for the Chinese collapse is homegrown or imported from Washington is largely irrelevant to the uncaring winds of history, the point is that Xi believes the day is almost here."

…"Spawn so much international outcry that China experiences a nationalist reaction against everyone who is angry at China. Convince the Chinese population that nationalism is a suitable substitute for economic growth and security. And then use that nationalism to combat the inevitable domestic political firestorm when China doesn’t simply tank, but implodes."

Do I sense war is the only way out for the CCP? Your thought on full [few minutes] read here: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/a-failure-of-leadership-part-iii-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-china

[Star Tsar]

Latest from China...


SpaceNews.com

Chinese Private Launch Firms Advance With Methane Engines, Launch Preparations & New Funding

Published 10th June 2020

https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/tianque-80-testing-may2020-landspace-3-879x485.jpeg

A number of Chinese private launch firms for the burgeoning commercial space sector have reported progress in efforts to develop a range of launch vehicles.

Landspace and iSpace are reporting progress with methane rocket engines, while Galactic Energy is moving closer to launch of its Ceres-1 launcher. Deep Blue Aerospace has meanwhile secured early funding for development of a liquid launch vehicle series.

Landspace completed three gimbaling hot fire tests of the SkyLark (Tianque-12) 80t-thrust-level cryogenic methane and liquid oxygen rocket engine early-mid May. Tianque-11, a smaller, 10-ton liquid oxygen methane engine, passed 2,000 seconds of testing June 5.

The engines will together power the 48.8-meter-tall, two-stage Zhuque-2 launch vehicle. The launcher will be capable of delivering a 4,000-kilogram payload capacity to a 200-kilometer low Earth orbit (LEO). Alternatively ZQ-2 can loft 2,000 kilograms to 500-kilometer Sun-synchronous orbit (SSO).

Read all about it here: https://spacenews.com/chinese-private-launch-firms-advance-with-methane-engines-launch-preparations-and-new-funding/

[Bill Ryan]

From Zero Hedge:


https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-ambassador-struggles-explain-shocking-footage-handcuffed-blindfolded-uighurs

Chinese Ambassador Struggles To Explain Shocking Footage Of Handcuffed & Blindfolded Uighurs Loaded Onto Train

18 July, 2020

During a Sunday morning BBC news program, China’s ambassador to the UK Liu Xiaoming was in a rare segment asked point blank about viral footage which purports to show a terrifying scene from Xinjiang province of Muslim minority Uighurs being handcuffed and loaded onto train cars.

While the footage, which appears to have been secretly caught via drone, appears to be a year old or more, it resurfaced in recent weeks, gaining millions of views and reigniting allegations of Uighur people being mass shipped to communist 'reeducation' camps and sprawling detention centers (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-16/transformed-better-china-defends-mass-re-education-camps-uighur-muslims).

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During the tense Andrew Marr Show (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/andrew-marr-show/) segment, Liu described Xinjiang simply as “the most beautiful place.”

Showing the shocking footage which many observers said echoes Jews being mass loaded onto cattle cars during the Holocaust to be taken to their deaths, Marr pressed the Chinese ambassador with:
“Can I ask you why people are kneeling, blindfolded and shaven, and being led to trains in modern China? What is going on there?”
To which Liu replied: “I do not know where you get this video tape. Sometimes you have a transfer of prisoners, in any country.” And Liu then questioned the authenticity and location of the video: “I do not know, where did you get this video clip?”

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Marr then said Western intelligence agencies and Australian experts have backed or 'verified' the clip, though this remains uncertain, to which the ambassador said tersely:
“The so-called ‘western intelligence’ keep making false accusations against China.”
He added: “They say ’one million Uighur has been persecuted, do you know how many population Xinjiang has? Forty years ago it was four or five million, now it is 11m people.”

And addressing widespread, persistent accusations of ongoing ethno-religious cleansing of Chinese Muslims in the provice, Liu said: “People say we have ethnic cleansing, but the population has doubled in forty years.”

Marr promptly rebutted: “According to your own local government statistics, the population growth in Uighur jurisdictions in that area has fallen by 84% between 2015 and 2018.” Liu responded: “That’s not right. I gave you the official figure as a Chinese ambassador. This is a very authoritative figure.

The two also sparred over sanctions. “If the UK goes that far to impose sanctions on any individuals in China, China will certainly make a resolute response to it,” the Chinese ambassador said. “You have seen what happened between China (and) the United States. They sanctioned Chinese officials, we sanctioned their senators, their officials. I do not want to see this tit-for-tat between China-US happen in China-UK relations,” he added.

And then this biting line:
“I think the UK should have its own independent foreign policy rather than dance to the tune of the Americans like what happened to Huawei.”
The degree to which this video is or can be verified by US intelligence will be interesting. It could be invoked when potential further human rights related sanctions are rolled out, given the escalating tit-for-tat between Beijing and the Trump administration.

[Agape]

Looks like another sleepless night in Shambhala land,

they now admitted 40 thousand Chinese troops are still surrounding Ladakh border so called LAC, the Line of Actual Control , after prolonged diplomatic attempts to deescalate the conflict around the LAC that started with China moving lots of equipment and military to the area.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/india/china-not-de-escalating-situation-on-lac-continues-to-deploy-40000-troops-on-ladakh-front-sources/amp_articleshow/77108290.cms


Is this NOT a war strategy ?

Show of power in the wrestle with the US and the rest of the world ?

China oh China, are you saying by any chance that you’re going to press the global extinction buttons?



Think about it for a while and where are you going with the hate and war policy. Who ever needs it. The people at the border check ? The people in village a valley away?
Your people in Delhi and Beijing ?

Or “the people in Washington DC”?

Who? Just name the man and give them a punch under the table but stop your racism, bigotry and hatred, stop the war option, threatening millions of innocent lives out there


Least we call you barbarians and your racism will be forever defeated and wiped out of books of human history.


✨

[norman]

AG Barr Delivers a Speech at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum 16 Jul 2020

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July 16, 2020 - Attorney General William P. Barr delivers a speech on China policy at the Gerald R. Ford Museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan.


[48 minutes]


It's interesting to see that, in the Trump admin, it falls to Barr to put such a speech on the record.

[norman]

I missed this last week. It's packed with alarming facts. Not just about the dam, which isn't even fixed to the bedrock below it ! . . . but PRC internal struggles and lots of activities by China to smuggle weaponry etc into the US.


NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM JULY 23 2020

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[27 minutes]

[Houman]

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VIDEO ON BITCHUTE - https://www.bitchute.com/video/sLaevn...

*Yes, I do receive Etherium. Please direct your questions to my email.*

Perhaps China, Israel and Russia struck the first blow of the kinetic war in San Deigo?

While Covid fills the airwaves and people fret about forced vaccinations, the U.S has been quietly preparing for a kinetic war with China in the South China Sea. Seems someone may have struck first in San Diego.

Nothing else explains the confidence, cockiness, and out right bluster of the Chinese Communist Party then they have been assured the United States is under control.

The entire US high technology sector is under the control of the Political Zionist movement, Israel and Rothschild. From electrical grids to military and civilian encryption to data intercepts to the heads of private NSA subcontractors - everything. Nothing has escaped them.

Isn't it time we walked and chewed gum? Covid is a worry, clearly. But did Israel and China release the virus to warn off the United States from attacking the egg basket Israel had laid all their hopes in? Are we forgetting Election Guard and electronic voting machines? The Pentagon Cloud? The Windows Operating System...and on and on.

The great danger is not China and the CCP. The great danger is Israeli and Russian subversion of the United States and if Donald Trump will not deal with it, someone needs to deal with Donald Trump. We hope the take down of the CCP is more than theater and large scale crisis acting. and we hope as the CCP is taken down and China's high technology capacity removed, we hope Israel as a promising world power goes with it...and then there is Rothschild and the Predatory Internationalist Banking and Financial Class.

Sufyan's Future Arabic You Tube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJyI...

Sufyans Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/Israel_Belt_R...

UN Refugee Application | Brendon Lee O'Connell - 100MB PDF file
https://mega.nz/#!x6hDWYaR!GOaK-TCZBF...

[Star Tsar]

China's space developments highlighted...


Richard Aguilar

The Rise Of China’s Unbelievable Space Programs

Published 4th August 2020

What you will see in this video today is all about China’s unbelievable and cutting-edge space technologies. So, with this being said, brace yourself to see the rise of China’s space programs that are gaining momentum.

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[norman]

a) China's Huge Influence Database

b) Quad Alliance (supply chain security)

c) Secret orders to stop Korean and Japanese companies moving out of China

d) US/China debt battle

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[Agape]

China is coercing thousands of Tibetans into mass labour camps (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54260732)

Report by James Foundation in cooperation with Reuter’s.

It’s decades old “news”, it’s still going on. The good old effort to get rid of free and lazy people.

How long yet ?????


😢

[amor]

I am assessing whether I care to live in a country whose controlling planners (Rockefeller, et al) not only condone organ snatching (by having 6 heart transplants-to-go), but actually must know that the blood-thirsty vipers who sell organs would not stop at selling the remaining MEAT of HUMANS to Africa and elsewhere as appears to be happening according to the above report. So now we have BUTCHERING assembly lines going on. When will it start happening here? Perhaps it has been taking place secretly for some time! Years ago I heard rumors of this possibly via the NY mafia.

According to the Corbet Report, the Rockefeller's have been plotting the integration and takeover of China by their New World Order. Greed knows no bounds! My spiritual intuition tells me the Oriental people as a group genome march like Army Ants when their Evil Leaders are ready, and they have done so quite possibly as a space-faring, almost robotic species, brilliant at science. When they get going, the West, not even in the godless Nazi form presently in charge of the Secret Space Program for the past sixty or more years, will be able to surpass them.

One of the interviews on Youtube tells the story of a young girl born in North Korea who was so hungry she ate crickets and was motivated by the story of Chinese in China feeding rice to their Dogs. She escaped to China. This starvation is POLICY of the ruling North Koreans; starving your population into weakness and mind controlling worship of your Evil Leader. The Nazi's starved their prisoners until there was almost nothing left to kill. I understand this is the plan of those who will microchip us into human-robots. We will be given something the size of a candy bar to last two months which will meld us into mechanical robots. According to the Book of Revelations, we will be unable to DIE and we will BITE and CHEW our TONGUES in everlasting PAIN. So go ahead and take their poisoned vaccines and injections. NONE OF THEM CAN BE TRUSTED AND MOST RULERS ARE CLONES.

[Agape]

This place is a Planet not a country
People should realize that and get their heads out of the sand. What else is going on than endless, petty territorial wars , tribal wars, tribe against tribe, people against people, killer mentality of thousands of years, no “this place” is not going to become someone’s country.
Of the billions of various humans they all have the right to prosper, as sovereign and beautiful as they are.
Who are you thinking you “own” the people AND their dreams ?

Who the monster are you thinking that you think about others as animations or objects , who do you think you are to have reached enlightenment

so you can deny your own believe in it.

Who do they think they are to “own” all the mess in the world and also, social media ?


You say we need to work more , for your wars?

I protest , object and resist and in case you attack my peace troops by accident,
you and Kim Jong Un will be killed by cheese,
choose between Blue Stilton, Gouda or Swiss Emmental and fed to the fish

🦕



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hxO_RB27jk



You know THIS PLACE never belonged to anybody before we came here , it never belonged to anybody than itself.
At most places you can’t survive even. You see your own foolishness you sent people fighting to 15 thousand feet, how long can they survive.

You go to Antarctica you can’t survive. Try to go to live to the cave where you started and that has saved your life , see you can’t do that anymore you can just visit.

You who say you own this place and all the people ...

foolish you are.

For Mr Yoda 🐨



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXZXLmzyKkw

[norman]

Agreed Agape but we can't fold into a global format if it's going to be run by crooks.

When we've rounded up the crooks and set on a path of healing, I'll be right there with you.


Not before.


:focus:

[Sarah Rainsong]

I am assessing whether I care to live in a country whose controlling planners (Rockefeller, et al) not only condone organ snatching (by having 6 heart transplants-to-go), but actually must know that the blood-thirsty vipers who sell organs would not stop at selling the remaining MEAT of HUMANS to Africa and elsewhere as appears to be happening according to the above report. So now we have BUTCHERING assembly lines going on. When will it start happening here? Perhaps it has been taking place secretly for some time! Years ago I heard rumors of this possibly via the NY mafia.

According to the Corbet Report, the Rockefeller's have been plotting the integration and takeover of China by their New World Order. Greed knows no bounds! My spiritual intuition tells me the Oriental people as a group genome march like Army Ants when their Evil Leaders are ready, and they have done so quite possibly as a space-faring, almost robotic species, brilliant at science. When they get going, the West, not even in the godless Nazi form presently in charge of the Secret Space Program for the past sixty or more years, will be able to surpass them.

One of the interviews on Youtube tells the story of a young girl born in North Korea who was so hungry she ate crickets and was motivated by the story of Chinese in China feeding rice to their Dogs. She escaped to China. This starvation is POLICY of the ruling North Koreans; starving your population into weakness and mind controlling worship of your Evil Leader. The Nazi's starved their prisoners until there was almost nothing left to kill. I understand this is the plan of those who will microchip us into human-robots. We will be given something the size of a candy bar to last two months which will meld us into mechanical robots. According to the Book of Revelations, we will be unable to DIE and we will BITE and CHEW our TONGUES in everlasting PAIN. So go ahead and take their poisoned vaccines and injections. NONE OF THEM CAN BE TRUSTED AND MOST RULERS ARE CLONES.

:mod: Your "spiritual intuition" needs some work if you're going to demonize an entire group of people based on their genetics.

Let's discuss the evil that is the CCP (or any other communist or tyrannical regime), or the horrors that they do with regards to organ harvesting and genocide (which ring eerily similar to the atrocities committed by the Nazis.) But we let's not condemn any entire genetic group based on the actions of their leaders. Not the Germanic peoples based on the actions of the Nazis, nor the Asian peoples based on the actions of the CCP.

:happy dog:

[Gwin Ru]

... See this thread: North Korean Defector Park Yeon-mi Exposes Kim Jong Un & China (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112356-North-Korean-Defector-Park-Yeon-mi-Exposes-Kim-Jong-Un-China)

North Korean Defector Exposes Kim Jong Un & China 1:30:13

Aug 21, 2020

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJywYLM73LqMQg8vm9ho2jyTnzAk5ziXHQZKwHQJzQ=s48-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo (https://www.youtube.com/user/patrickbetdavid) Valuetainment (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIHdDJ0tjn_3j-FS7s_X1kQ)

North Korea defector and human rights activist Yeonmi Park has a virtual sit down with Patrick Bet-David.

Order her book https://amzn.to/3kXt9ux (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=QUFFLUhqbFYtMDBTcHpNTkNIQWtVZjV4TmExdnc5SU4zUXxBQ3Jtc0trQ2dXQW40NXhTUnlYelhyYkR lVTZfTmhkUTdLMExWSHBPX3g4ZUxYclZzOUxLRjA5TDQ4NkNZRXpqMld0QVJmelNWRllIX1g4bW1YMlF6MzdGUVVtYnR4MlI3Ukp rM0sxMER2OVdhWEVYb3h6VTJiQQ%3D%3D&q=https%3A%2F%2Famzn.to%2F3kXt9ux&event=video_description&v=za34H-dT8I0) (In Order to Live: A North Korean Girl's Journey to Freedom)

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About the guest: Park Yeon-mi is a North Korean defector and human rights activist who escaped from North Korea to China in 2007 and settled in South Korea in 2009. She came from an educated, politically connected family that turned to black market trading during North Korea's economic collapse in the 1990s

About Patrick Bet-David: CEO, author and Founder of Valuetainment Media. Patrick has interviewed athletes, notorious individuals, politicians, authors and entrepreneurs from all walks of life.

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... impressive clarity of mind, balance and sharpness of analysis of her experience; highly recommended!

Related:


No, don’t go back! Defector trying to cross back into North Korea blocked by South’s police (https://www.rt.com/news/501193-south-korea-arrest-defector-return/) Seoul police arrested a man who braved the heavily fortified border to return to North Korea after spending two years in the capitalist South. A similar but successful crossing recently triggered a Covid-19 alert in the North.



Here: The So-called "Word Of God" (Here: The So-called "Word Of God") ... or how N-Korea became a modern implementation of "Plato's Plan."

[onawah]

The wisest man I ever knew, Dr. Christopher Hills https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hills
...thought that humanity cannot progress far until we learn to identify psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists, and to limit the negative effects they have on the world.
From there, real progress could be made toward healing and eliminating the causes of such conditions.

Agreed Agape but we can't fold into a global format if it's going to be run by crooks.

When we've rounded up the crooks and set on a path of healing, I'll be right there with you.


Not before.


:focus:

[Agape]

Well Kim Jong Un issued an apology for killing another human being running over the border

Kim Jong Un apologises for killing of South Korean official (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54291550)

is kind of honest in case he would be also willing to remove shooting orders at the border presuming we aren’t in state of biological war with China.

I’ve not heard any apologies from China for incidents on the Indian border or true purpose of weaponising the planet after they shook hands with the rest of PMs and presidents,
Mr Xi was offered grandiose reception here in India by PM Narendra Modi,
I’ve seen a live clip of an art show somewhere at the ancient temples of Mahabalipuram in South India,
it was magical but it’s where the whole communist ideology distances itself from things it considers insubstantial in life such as soul, art or spirituality

they’re only good after lunch and 12 hours of hard work that’s what defines human being for them so I’m sorry to insist we have lost on the faith in barbarian ideologies, at all times and all cultures,

the stones are the witness.

Genuinely, all those people, in East or West who fell for the matter being so crucial so substantial for life, forgetting their divinity, cutting themselves off the meaning of advanced human experience they can not understand anymore what Lao’tze said.

The way some pity those who forgot their punctuation
I pity the soul oblivious of the meaning.

More advanced the society more advanced are their sufferings,
their suspicions, their hunger to be yet bigger than they are,
almost unstoppable hunger that’s got out of control,
their lost dignity replaced by relativisation of every truth.


This too shall pass and I’m not saying that “because I’d so wish to stay to be part of it” neither do I think it’s hanging on me neither can I think of better place to be than I’m now,
but till I’m now I’ll keep sorting the big puzzle together.


😷

[Icare]

Jennifer Zeng. Life inside a Chinese concentration camp. A survivor tells her story.

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Jennifer Zeng now has her own youtube channel called Inconvenient Truths.

This is her short mission statement:
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One of her clips is an insightful report about the Three Gorges Dam and the possibility of its collapse.

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[norman]

China invasion of Taiwan MAPPED: 'Major crisis coming' as fears grow US will be dragged in

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1346178/china-taiwan-invasion-us-intervenes-nuclear-missiles-world-war-3
Sat, Oct 10, 2020



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I predict the time plan is January 2021

[Agape]

North Korean Kim Jong Un in rare display of emotion:

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-54520032


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmHwQqKxwE8

People watching with awe..

No I don’t think he needs to fake it. A difficult emotions is also cleaning emotion.


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[Lunesoleil]

Jennifer Zeng. Life inside a Chinese concentration camp. A survivor tells her story.


thank you for the discovery, I just found his testimony in French version. You really have to hear it to believe it if you don't see it with those eyes.

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113042-Falun-Gong-the-spiritual-art-of-energy
I slip the link of the discussion on Falun Gong, article published in French on my blog

[Rain Forest]

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A funny guy.

[Rain Forest]

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What I saw in Xinjiang working as a Cotton Farmer

[ExomatrixTV]

Just thinking it might be a good idea to start a thread where we can focus on China in the new political arena.

There are so many theories flying around...it's hard to figure out what is true & what's not.

Like...Does China own our debt? Has China bought up a large portion of the U.S.? Anyone with real knowledge, please let us know! Thanks!


Have a look here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118945-Should-we-be-afraid-of-China...&p=1505903&viewfull=1#post1505903) :dog:

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Bill Ryan]

A very interesting interview by The Duran with Alex (Reporterfly Media (https://www.youtube.com/c/ReporterfyMedia/videos)), a Canadian journalist in China. He presents a great deal of interesting information about how China really is (and how the Chinese people really are), that seems to counter quite a few of the short videos on the Turmoil in China (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111363-Turmoil-in-China) thread, which Alex implies are US-sponsored propaganda pieces.

The conversation open [mainly] with Patrick Lancaster, who's unable to stay for long. The section about China really begins at 17:10, lasting for an hour. It may be too specialized and detailed for many viewing here, but for those genuinely wanting to understand China better, and invest the time, this may be well worth while.

(For those specifically interested in the real situation with Taiwan, that begins at 50:45. :thumbsup: )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbdj_05bbOc

[onawah]

There is a LOT of propaganda from the CCP giving a very false picture of how good the Chinese people have it under the CCP and how strong the economy is and how there are no human rights violations being committed, and the CCP pays a lot of shills very well to do that, both within China and without, so I would view any info that is presenting favorable info about conditions under the CCP as suspect.
And I'm careful not to post anything along those lines in the Turmoil in China thread.
Could you provide some examples of those posts in that thread which you consider to be US propaganda, Bill?
Thanks.

A very interesting interview by The Duran with Alex (Reporterfly Media (https://www.youtube.com/c/ReporterfyMedia/videos)), a Canadian journalist in China. He presents a great deal of interesting information about how China really is (and how the Chinese people really are), that seems to counter quite a few of the short videos on the Turmoil in China (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111363-Turmoil-in-China) thread, which Alex implies are US-sponsored propaganda pieces.

The conversation open [mainly] with Patrick Lancaster, who's unable to stay for long. The section about China really begins at 17:10, lasting for an hour. It may be too specialized and detailed for many viewing here, but for those genuinely wanting to understand China better, and invest the time, this may be well worth while.

[norman]

O yea, what DID happen to Trump's Jest that he could end the war with a phone call.


China rejects US proposal for joint global domination
The Sirius Report

We discuss a US proposal to China to form a grand coalition and what is the motivation behind this move.

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