Phil Schneider's FBI Encounter- Declassified 9-18-2018

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Hi all

My research team hit something fairly significant in the Phil Schneider story. Doing a FOIA request with various goobermint agencies, we got back today a declassified document, dated today, revealing that poor Phil apparently had schizophrenia, a history of inpatient psychiatric admission, amputated his own fingers, and consented to an investigation by the FBI for possessing at least 60 pounds of uranium!

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As I have an article in-press, I am unable to publish the document at this moment, however, I will be providing it to the Avalon library in the future. I will also be releasing more videos on it, once I have the chance to dig into it.

Take home message-- if you know someone that saw phil schneider speak in person, this new information indicates that they may possibly have been exposed to radioactive materials.

[Spellbound]

Wow!! Nice find!!

Dave - Toronto

[thepainterdoug]

or were his fingers amputated for him?

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Joe's Summary: Philip Schneider- Declassified Secrets Revealed

Published on Sep 18, 2018




Philip Schneider - Declassified Secrets Revealed. In this video, I reveal breaking news from the US Government just uncovered by myself and my team about Phil Schneider, alleged whistleblower of the Dulce Deep Underground Alien Military Base. This video is part of our underground base deep dig series, here on the Joe from the Carolinas channel. This is Phil Schneider- Declassified. Schneider claimed to be one of only three people who survived the infamous Alien/Human War at Dulce and Los Alamos, where 66 Government Agents and Workers supposedly lost their lives in August of 1979. In fact, the way that Schneider tells the story, it sounds more like he got into a shootout with aliens. Many videos on youtube do not go beyond the alien stories. We do.


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PHILIP SCHNEIDER - UNDERGROUND ALIEN BASES (FULL VERSION)
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Published on Jul 25, 2011




Dear Viewers,

Philip Schneider claimed to be a former US Government Geologist and Engineer, who was involved in producing the underground explosions which were required to facilitate the building of various underground military bases, as well as submarine bases for the United States Government.

He claimed to be one of only three people who survived the infamous Alien/Human War at Dulce and Los Alamos, where 66 Government Agents and Workers supposedly lost their lives in August of 1979.

For the last two years of his life he gave lectures about supposed classified information, including UFO's to the media and general public.

Philip Schneider was found dead in his apartment on January 17, 1996.

Some people claim that he was murdered.


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Phil Schneider's Last Speech ~ Two Months Before His Assassination ~ Aliens & Underground Bases
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Published on Nov 24, 2013




Underground Bases, UFO's and Aliens: The Late Phil Schneider, a retired US government geologist, talks about his days building deep underground bases for the government - over 131 in the USA, one mile or more down, the involvement with alien technology, samples of elements up to atomic #140 are shown. The advanced stealth technology involves the use of alien metals.

This is the last known video made of Phil Schneider while he was still alive. It was made in November 1995. He was found dead less than two months later. He talks about his days building underground bases for the US government and grey aliens.

Phil Schneider is one of the many UFO researchers that have died over the last few years under mysterious circumstances. Phil died on January 17, 1996, reportedly strangled by a catheter found wrapped around his neck, his death being dismissed by the authorities as suicide.

Schneider maintained that numerous previous attempts had been made on his life. He had stated publicly he was a marked man and did not expect to live long. "If I ever 'commit suicide'," Schneider told a close friend, "I'll have been murdered."

[OopsWrongPlanet?]

Just a thought: has Cynthia Drayer, Schneider's former wife, corroborated any of this information? (Or anyone else that was close to him?).

M

[DNA]

Just a thought: has Cynthia Drayer, Schneider's former wife, corroborated any of this information? (Or anyone else that was close to him?).

M



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwzS150d8GY



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A Message from the ex-wife of Philip Schneider

A Small Introduction
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/philschneider.jpg
Intro by Cynthia Drayer

My name is Cynthia Drayer, I live in Portland, Oregon, and I am the
ex-wife of Philip Schneider. Philip and I met in 1986, were married in
Carson City, Nevada, and had a daughter, Marie, in 1987. We were
divorced in 1990 and lived in separate residences. Philip lived in an

apartment complex in Wilsonville, Oregon. On 1/17/1996 I received a
call that Philip was dead in his apartment and apparently had died up

to a week before his body was discovered. At the time of the removal
of his body, his cause of death was by a stroke. When I went to the
funeral home I had feelings of discomfort about his death. I asked to

view the body, but due to decomposition, the funeral director
suggested otherwise. I wanted to be sure, in my own mind,. that Philip
had not died under "unnatural causes". For the last two years of his
life, Philip had been on the "lecture tour" throughout the United
States, talking out about government coverups. You name it, he was
talking about it: Aliens (treaties and abductions), UFO's, the One
World Government, Black Budgets, Underground Mountain Bases, CIA
involvement in civilian murders and drugs, Stealth technology, the
Philadelphia Experiment, Operation Crossroads (Bikini Island A-bomb
experiments), Dulce Fire Fight, the Oklahoma bombing, the World Trade

Center bombing, missing children, Gunderson Freight Cars, the opening
of concentration camps and Marshal Law/UN involvement, man-made
viruses and earthquakes, etc.etc.

A day later, I received a call from the Clackamas County Detectives,
that the funeral director had found "something" around Philip's neck.

An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner's
office (in Portland, Oregon) by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that
Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber cathater hose three
times around his neck, and half-knotting it in front. There are
several reasons why I believe that Philip did not commit suicide, but
was murdered:

1. There was no suicide note.
2. Philip always told his friends and relatives, that if he ever
"committed suicide" you would know that he had been murdered.
3. From a number of sources, including his taped lectures (video and
audio), and statements to his friends, and the borrowing of a 9mm
gun, Philip felt that he and his family were being threatened and
were in danger because of his lecutres.
4. All of his lecture materials, alien metals, higher math books,
photographs of UFO's coming out of the Operation Crossroad
A-Bomb, notes for his book on the alien agenda, were missing.
(Everything else in the apartment was still there, including gold
coins, wallet with hundreds of dollars, jewelry, mineral
specimens, etc.)
5. No coroner ever came out to his apartment after his body was
found (against Oregon Law) - and a police investigation never
took under consideration that items were missing from his
apartment - it was considered a suicide, plain and simple
6. The medical examiner took blood and urine samples at the autopsy

but REFUSED to analyze them, saying that the county would not
"waste their money on a suicide". Although I was assured that
the samples would be kept for 12 months, when I asked for these
samples to be sent to an independent lab 11 months later they
were "missing" and presumed "destroyed".
7. Philip had missing fingers on his left hand, and limited motion
in his shoulders. I believe that it was physically impossible for
Philip to have held the rubber hose in his left hand with missing
fingers and then wrap the hose three times with shoulders that
had limited motion. In order to end up where his body was, he had
to sit on the edge of his bed, wrap the hose around his neck,
slowly and painfully strangle to death, and fallen head first
into a wheel chair.
8. Philip was an expert in chemicals and his own medical needs. He
had multiple pills at hand that could have ended his life quickly
and painlessly. He also had a 9mm gun that he had borrowed to
protect himself. Why strangle himself in such an unusual manner?

9. Philip was very religious, and did not believe in suicide. He had
intense chronic pain all of the time I knew him. At the time of
his death, he was on disability, had a housekeeper, and had
cancer. The operation to help him with his back pain did not
alleviate the pain and he had brittle bone syndrome
(osteoperosis). He struggled every day, not to die, but to live.

He felt that these lectures he gave was making a difference, and
was looking forward to giving more. In fact he was scheduled for
another lecture tour that started 1/16/96 in Tampa, Florida. He
had just found a friend who was going to help him write a book
about the New World Order, and he was enjoying his time with his
daughter.

10. Philip was undergoing "injections" of "Beta Serone" every week in
an experiment to stop his multiple sclerosis. After his death I
contacted the only agency that conducted these experiments to
obtain his medical record (OHSU). They had never heard of him,
and he was not a part of their experiments. This would suggest
people unknown were injecting him on a weekly basis with an
unknown substance. He often times called me after these "shots"
to tell me that he was too sick for his daughter to come and
visit. I believe that the shots that Philip thought were being
given to him to help him back to health, were actually being
given to him to make him sick.
11. Philip was seen with an "unknown blonde haired woman" for several
months before his death. Several times this same individual was
seen or talked about and her mysterious presence only leads one
to wonder if she had anything to do with his "suicide".
12. Several people with psychic abilities have indicated that Philip
did not commit suicide, but was murdered (some say by 5 people: 4
men and 1 woman, 4 directly and one by taking out a "contract".

It is perhaps important to know WHY Philip began lecturing.
Firstly: His background was as a Structural Engineer. He was an expert
on explosives and their effects on geologic structures. He worked
under two social security numbers. Most of his early work in
underground mountain bases with Morrison-Knudsen was done using the
wrong social security number. I was later able to prove that he had
two numbers through the social security office when I applied for his
daughter's death benefits. He worked for the Army Corps of Engineers
and U.S. Navy with the same wrong number. Only after he obtained SSI
in 1981 did his "real" number come into play. He always told me that
he had a Rhyolitic Clearance and that his father had a Cosmic
Clearance from his work with NATO. And that is the second reason why
Philip began lecturing.

Secondly: On top of his first hand knowledge about underground
mountain bases and government black budgets, and the alien agend as (he
was one of the survivors of the Dulce Fire Fight with aliens in New
Mexico) his father was also involved in government black projects.
When Philip's father, Captain Oscar Schneider, Medical Doctor, United

States Navy, died in 1993, Philip discovered documents and photographs
in his father's basement which proved that Oscar had been involved in
both the Philadelphia Experiment and Operation Crossroads. Philip now
had letters written in the 1940's and 1950's showing that Oscar helped
to isolate the crewmembers of the Philadelphia Experiment and that
Oscar later autopsied them as they died. He also had photographs of
UFO's fleeing through mushroom clouds after the A-bomb was dropped
above the lagoon at Bikini Atoll. This was "Operation Crossroads" and

Oscar was involved in medical examinations of the animals and humans
exposed to radiation after the bomb was dropped.

Thirdly: I believe the main reason why Philip began to lecture was due
to the "murder" of his friend Ron Rummel. Ron was found in a park in
Portland in Sept. 1993. The police believed that he had committed
suicide by shooting himself in the mouth. However, if you read the
detectives report, there is blow-back blood on Ron's hand, but NO
BLOW-BACK BLOOD ON THE GUN. The only way this could happen is if Ron
had wiped the gun off AFTER he had shot himself in the mouth. Ron,
Philip, and 5 other people had been collaborating on a little magazine
called "The Alien Digest". It was starting to get a fairly wide
circulation, when Ron was found in the park. Philip felt that his
friend had been murdered, and decided that it was time to get
everything out into the open, so he began "spilling the beans", and
ripped up his security clearance card.

Pufori, through Jeroen Wierda, is one of several agencies and
individuals that have taken up the call for justice in Philip's death.

My hopes are:

1. That Philip's death certificate will eventually be amended with
the true cause of his death: murder.
2. That the world will come to know the truth about aliens, UFO's,
the government cover-ups, black budgets, etc. and how they are
affecting us.
3. That assets that belong to his only heir, Marie, can be located
and turned over to her.
4. That Philip's true work quarters can be proven by people coming
forward with information about knowing him before 1981, and that
his daughter can eventually obtain the death benefits she
deserves.
5. That no more "murders by suicide" ever occur to another
individual.

Please look over the information contained in this website. The "truth
is out there" and it is here.

Sincerely, Cynthia Schneider Drayer
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APFN NOTE: I MEET WITH PHIL AT THE GLOBAL SIC. MEETING IN DENVER.
WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY... I WILL DETAIL THESE TALKS IN THE NEAR FUTURE...
We were to meet again, on Friday, of the week Phil got whacked.
Phil had much info on the shadow government.

Phil may be gone, but he is not forgotten!

Kenneth L. Vardon... apfn@apfn.org
http://www.apfn.org

Philip Schneider Investgation update 09/18/98 (APFN)
http://web.archive.org/web/20041014055538/http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildhist.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20041014055538/http:/www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildhist.htm)

"................no conspiracy can survive eXpose'.............."

We should some how bring all this info together by working with these other
web sites... tie all this info with a page about current message about this
info... etc... whatever... just wanted to put all this in one message right
now... after your review please let me know what you think. - apfn@apfn.org
http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildhist.htm

Additional web info on Phil Schneider
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/phil.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20011214041237/http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8623/schneider.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20011214041237/http:/www.geocities.com/Heartland/8623/schneider.html)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010814053618/http://www.eagle-net.org/dulce/Y92SNIDR.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20010814053618/http:/www.eagle-net.org/dulce/Y92SNIDR.html)
http://www.zianet.com/wblase/endtimes/schneid.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/19990203182451/http://www.ufomind.com/people/s/schneider/ (http://web.archive.org/web/19990203182451/http:/www.ufomind.com/people/s/schneider/)


Re:

The Phillip Schneider Investigation
Saturday, 27-May-2000 15:22:29

Mr. Philip Schneider wasa very couragous man. Even being ill and in pain,
He wanted us to know what was happening in our country. I can only hope that
those who listened to him became aware of our corrupted government. People
can't change anything if they don't have information. I believe his wife is
truly a brave woman. She is doing her best to clear his name. She also is in
danger. I hope getting this information out will help everyone connected with
Mr. Schneider.

dolores crinniom

[Wansen]

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[Innocent Warrior]

The following information is from an article on LinkedIn, published in 2015, “Phil Schneider is a total fraud (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/phil-schneider-his-mental-illness-ssi-norio-hayakawa)”. I made a mental note of it when I first read it, but nothing more, but in light of Joe’s discovery it has more weight.


Phil said “I got shot in the chest with one of the aliens’ weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that”.


HERE IS A VERY INTERESTING COMMENT FROM HIS ONE-TIME ROOMMATE:

From G. Clinton:

What I know about Phil Schneider:

(QUOTE)

“This morning in the state of boredom I decided to look up and see if I can find anything about people I used to know on Google.

Imagine my surprise to find that there was a cult of Phil Schneider who I knew very well in 1977 though 1980.

I moved to Portland, Oregon in 1977 unemployed and very short on funds. I moved into a very cheap rooming house

Shortly after I moved in Phil Schneider moved in. It didn’t take me very long at all to realize that he was a liar. And I thought he was mentally ill.

His missing fingers:

He told me that he had lost them when he was working in eastern Oregon as a lineman when he had some sort of mishap on a pole (frankly I no longer recall the details; it has been nearly 40 years).

His chest wound:

I took him to the hospital.

One day as I was talking to other roomers in the common room, Phil came down the stairs with blood on his shirt saying he’d been shot. A story he quickly changed to somehow being inflicted by a passing car having losing a snow stud which struck him in the chest causing the wounds. No one present believed him, of course, but it was certainly not the time for discussions of his credibility. I took him to the hospital.

After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil. I said,”not really.” The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so. I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, ” you suspect it’s self-inflicted?” The doctor said, yes.

I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was. Unfortunately I just don’t. But there should be records.

This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

There is more I could talk about. But none of it would be particularly germaine.

By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others (I should note here that I’m completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)

Now I know that no one has any particular reason to give my testimony any credibility.

But, there it is. I hope that this may help slightly for some people to be suspicious of anything he said. I certainly was and am.

Phil Schneider was not a horrible person. He was certainly at some level delusional. He was for a short time a very flawed friend of mine.”

UNQUOTE

See the link at the beginning of this post for additional information (incl. Drayer).

[ichingcarpenter]

The David and Corey show



David
Really? Let’s go now to Phil Schneider, who is a whistleblower who came out about, as you said, Deep Underground Military Bases, or D.U.M.B.s and at the time, Schneider was widely ridiculed by most of the UFO community, but shortly after he came out, he died.
And since then, a lot of the things that others are saying seem to be validating Phil Schneider’s testimony.


Corey
Yeah. There are underground bases and facilities all over the place – in cities all around us.

I mean, there are people that walk into buildings that take elevators that are service elevators that the rest of the public don’t know about.

They go down several more floors than anyone that work in the building know about, get on an underground train system, and are shuttled to anywhere in the world in a matter of an hour or two, to where they can work in these underground bunkers and facilities.

And they’re absolutely spread out all over the place.

David
Well, let’s take a look now at this map that Phil Schneider hand drew over America that shows a series of round circles where bases are, and then a series of lines between them that ostensibly represent tunnel systems.

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Corey
That’s extremely incomplete.

David
You say that’s extremely incomplete?

Corey
Oh, yeah.

David
Okay. Why would you say it’s incomplete?

Corey
Because the underground tram system goes under the ocean.

It goes to Australia. It goes to Europe. It goes to Asia. The tram system travels all over.

And there are undersea bases.

There are bases that are underwater, on the surface of the ocean floor, and there are also subterranean bases below the ocean floor.

David
Well, some people might have trouble with that because normally just getting a submarine down there, like a bathyscaphe, or one of these things that they would use to try to film the ocean floor, the pressures become extremely great as you go farther and farther down, from all the water that’s there.

So based on your understanding, how have they surmounted these problems to make these undersea bases?

Corey
The type of base that I’m going to tell you about right now, you’re not going to really find in the Mariana Trench, not built by us, anyway.

But I had an engineer describe to me how they built a certain base with domes that were lowered into the water, positioned by the Navy, and then an underwater concrete was applied.


Corey expands more on Phil's story by telling more whoppers with cheese; https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/undersea-bases-cosmic-disclosure/



Great work Joe unfortunately schizophrenia doesn't go away once you get it and must be treated the rest of one's life. I feel sorry for Phil and his family. If Phil Schneider were alive today he would have been on Gaia with David and then on the Jimmy Church show 7 times

[Zanshin]

In the interests of attempting to stay in the middle of Joe's Belief----Skepticism bridge,
I think the topic begs the question:

Is it possible that just because a document is released by the FBI it may not automatically be verified fact?

This question asked with reference to various characters currently under fire from varying govt. departments
for questionable activities and/or concealments.

Like many, I've kinda taken Schneider's story at face value till now and this news will certainly draw attention away from
other current topics eg. FISA DECLAS

Seems to me the deep state pulling a stunt like this would not be totally implausible albeit perhaps improbable.

[yelik]

Not that I am defending Phil Schneider but is it not normal practice of the Cabal (psychopaths with money) to have someone who says or does something they don’t like to associate them with a lunatic asylum so as to discredit them.

[Valerie Villars]

Not that I am defending Phil Schneider but is it not normal practice of the Cabal (psychopaths with money) to have someone who says or does something they don’t like to associate them with a lunatic asylum so as to discredit them.

Yes, the whole system is set up like this. If you haven't been locked up you are seen as more credible. If you have degrees you are seen as more credible.

Locking someone up or claiming they have a mental disability is a classic ploy by the powers that be to discredit someone.

After I went through my experience, and I was locked up by my family for six days, I went to see a psychiatrist. I told him nothing about my experience, having learned to keep my mouth shut if I didn't want to get locked up for longer. l

So, the two main criteria he used to determine if I was "different" was that I didn't like to go shopping or go to malls and that I didn't necessarily take a shower every single day. In other words, if you don't do what the rest of society does and you don't like what the rest of society does, then there is something wrong with you.

It's a sick system.

[yelik]

Valerie Villars – I agree with your post 12.

When I talk to people (friends, family, strangers) and bring up this woo woo stuff they think you are strange. I often find the more educated a person is and the more they are seen as a so called pillar of society the more blind they are to the facts – the penny just won’t drop. Who wants to be a normal compliant fool stuck in the matrix.

For me Phil Schneider appeared to believe what he was saying, although I accept he could easily be the subject of mind control.

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Yelik. I get a little testy because I had never had a day of mental illness in my life, but as soon as you stop seeing the shadows on the cave walls and start seeing reality, the system is cleverly designed to make those people appear crazy and everyone goes along.

I haven't seen Joe's video yet, and I love Joe's work, but couldn't Phil have been telling the truth about some things even if he was schizophrenic? Or perhaps he knew things some of us don't because he was schizophrenic. I just go crazy when we start slapping psychological labels on people in order to discount them. The labels are concocted by a rigged system. The rigged system made the labels and we go along with their assessments of mental health? It just seems really messed up to me and for that, I got labeled.

It's not about me. It's about the understanding I now have of how quickly people get labeled and discounted by an insane society. Some people have seen the naked emperor but the ones who are playing along with him being clothed are pointing the fingers saying the others are crazy.

They say people are delusional by whose measure? Who decided what was normal and okay? Why? I mean I have to ask those questions. By whose authority? And what a double standard. It's okay for mystics to have experiences and they are "close to God" but when a normal joe has them, they are labeled insane.

Once again I have to ask, by whose authority and why? I was experiencing extraordinary things. How does that make a person crazy? We really need to be very careful before we start pointing fingers and calling people crazy. There's something really, really wrong about that.

Just because people break sometimes, doesn't mean they are broken or shouldn't be listened to.

[Valerie Villars]

I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?

[Flash]

I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?

This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions

[Valerie Villars]

I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?

This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions

Thanks. My point exactly.

[RunningDeer]

I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?

This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions

If you can believe the information from the article below (https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/phil-schneider-his-mental-illness-and-ssi/), the year was around 1977, 78, 79 or 1980 at the latest. Philip Schneider was born on April 23, 1947, so he would have been between 30-33.


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"After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil.  I said,”not really.”  The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so.  I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, ” you suspect it’s self-inflicted?”  The doctor said, yes.

I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was.  Unfortunately I just don’t.  But there should be records. This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

There is more I could talk about.  But none of it would be particularly germaine.

By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others   (I should note here that I’m completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)..."

[Bill Ryan]

I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?

This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions

Joe's video states from the FBI document that he was hospitalized between July 1968 to Jan 1969. He was born on 23 April 1947, and died on 17 January 1996. So he was first in hospital when he was aged 21.

This page gives a lot of detail that seems to substantiate that he was mentally ill. (Note: there's an error there about his date of birth. It says: "he would have been 17 years old when he went to work for the government. Phil stated that he worked in Dulce in 1979." But he was born in 1947, so that math is actually incorrect.)


https://linkedin.com/pulse/phil-schneider-his-mental-illness-ssi-norio-hayakawa

RunningDeer is correct in her quote from the same article. It seems he was in hospital twice. The date of the FBI report precedes his second hospitalization, which explains the apparent discrepancy.

[Flash]

I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?

This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions

If you can believe the information from the article below (https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/phil-schneider-his-mental-illness-and-ssi/), the year was around 1977, 78, 79 or 1980 at the latest. Philip Schneider was born on April 23, 1947, so he would have been between 30-33.


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"After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil.  I said,”not really.”  The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so.  I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, ” you suspect it’s self-inflicted?”  The doctor said, yes.

I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was.  Unfortunately I just don’t.  But there should be records. This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

There is more I could talk about.  But none of it would be particularly germaine.

By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others   (I should note here that I’m completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)..."


Well, the onset may have been between 25-30 years old at the latest, which makes it possible schizophrenia. It cannot be ruled out Thanks Paula..

And thanks Bill for the 21 years old possible onset following FBI documents.

[Valerie Villars]

I agree. That's why I asked. Those details are important in determining a person's veracity.

[Spellbound]

What a fantastic amount of info here in this thread about Phil Schneider that I was unaware of previously. This will be a go-to thread for years to come.

Well done, Avalon!!

Dave - Toronto

[ichingcarpenter]

IN HIS OWN Words


Me
I always took him as decent fictional storyteller and a major braggart.....
''I took my walther ppk and shot the alien emptying my clip on him and reloaded as I was hanging from a rope a mile down under Dulce NM''.



ME
Wow!! Walther PPK....... cool ... the same gun James Bond used in the Fleming novels.. .. tell me more phil

PHIL
''I was involved in 1979 in a fire-fight with alien humanoids, and I was one of the survivors. I'm probably the only "talking" survivor you will ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that fire-fight. I was there.''

ME
wow...... Phil...(me doing my David impersonation)..Tell me about your father who was a U Boat captain Phil.( We just can't find his record in the German archives even though the Germans were meticulous record keepers and you can find the names of all the captains of all the NAZI u boats on the net )

PHIL
''My father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought on "both" sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat captain, and was captured and repatriated in the United States. He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment. He invented a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photographs of that test, and the photos also show "UFO's fleeing the bomb site at a high rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested with them, especially under the water, and the natives had problems with their animals being mutilated." At that time, General MacArthur felt that the next war would be with aliens from other worlds.''

Me
Wow!!

Phil

''Anyway, my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about the Philadelphia experiment, as well as other experiments. What does that have to do with me? Nothing, other than the fact that he was my father. I don't agree with what he did on the other side, but I think he had a lot of guts in coming here. He was hated in Germany. There was a $1 million reward, payable in gold, to anyone who killed him. Obviously, they didn't succeed. Anyway, back to our topic - deep underground bases.'


Me
Wow! World's first High speed camera used to record our atomic tests!....WOW!!!


Now how many things in this short sample of his story can you research?

[thepainterdoug]

a good moment to share my Phil Schneider Portrait, part of my 100 portraits of whistleblowers. www.dougauld.com
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[DNA]

Not that I am defending Phil Schneider but is it not normal practice of the Cabal (psychopaths with money) to have someone who says or does something they don’t like to associate them with a lunatic asylum so as to discredit them.

Yes, the whole system is set up like this. If you haven't been locked up you are seen as more credible. If you have degrees you are seen as more credible.
Locking someone up or claiming they have a mental disability is a classic ploy by the powers that be to discredit someone.
After I went through my experience, and I was locked up by my family for six days, I went to see a psychiatrist. I told him nothing about my experience, having learned to keep my mouth shut if I didn't want to get locked up for longer.
So, the two main criteria he used to determine if I was "different" was that I didn't like to go shopping or go to malls and that I didn't necessarily take a shower every single day. In other words, if you don't do what the rest of society does and you don't like what the rest of society does, then there is something wrong with you.
It's a sick system.


I agree with both of you.
For the record I believe Phil. If there was something exaggerated here or there, or he took a story here or there and made it his own so be it.
By and large I believe Phil. Why?
Because I've watched a lot of Phil's videos and I just don't see a liar.
How does an FBI release of documents affect my judgement on this? It does not.
Was it faked at the time of it's alleged initial writing? Was it faked recently with dates added to apply a reason to discredit Phil?
I don't trust officialdom any more, I just don't.
When in doubt I go with my gut and tried and proven built in lie detector.
I believe in Phil and I will continue to do so regardless of documents being released stating that I shouldn't.

[Bill Ryan]

I believe in Phil and I will continue to do so regardless of documents being released stating that I shouldn't.

Marcus, do read this. You may not have seen it yet.


Our Need for Heroes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104347-Our-Need-for-Heroes)

[Joe from the Carolinas]

In the interests of attempting to stay in the middle of Joe's Belief----Skepticism bridge,
I think the topic begs the question:

Is it possible that just because a document is released by the FBI it may not automatically be verified fact?

This question asked with reference to various characters currently under fire from varying govt. departments
for questionable activities and/or concealments.

Like many, I've kinda taken Schneider's story at face value till now and this news will certainly draw attention away from
other current topics eg. FISA DECLAS

Seems to me the deep state pulling a stunt like this would not be totally implausible albeit perhaps improbable.

I truly hope that this video and this thread will not take away from real issues happening in the world today, covered in many other fine threads here on Avalon. :thumbsup:
My primary motivation in pushing this video out ahead of others sitting in the edit hopper is because I read in the FBI report that Schneider had unlicensed access to nuclear materials. It is possible that people still alive today were exposed to them, and I believe it is a public health issue-- people have a right to know if they were exposed to that stuff.

Regarding your question about the document not automatically being verified fact-- yes! It is certainly possible that the entire document is entirely contrived. As a result, I've already placed record requests with all agencies referenced in the FBI report to cross-check their details. :)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The Dulce battle is an old story. I first heard about it from the Bill Cooper material. Around 1992 I traveled to N.C. to listen to Virgil Armstrong who claimed he survived that battle. He was very interesting. I cannot verify what he said was true, but I did not hear any internal warning bells.

[ceetee9]

Hi all

My research team hit something fairly significant in the Phil Schneider story. Doing a FOIA request with various goobermint agencies, we got back today a declassified document, dated today, revealing that poor Phil apparently had schizophrenia, a history of inpatient psychiatric admission, amputated his own fingers, and consented to an investigation by the FBI for possessing at least 60 pounds of uranium!

lGT-8pIm4kA

As I have an article in-press, I am unable to publish the document at this moment, however, I will be providing it to the Avalon library in the future. I will also be releasing more videos on it, once I have the chance to dig into it.

Take home message-- if you know someone that saw phil schneider speak in person, this new information indicates that they may possibly have been exposed to radioactive materials.

While I'm not necessarily trying to refute the credibility of the FBI FOIA document (or Joe's analysis), there are a few questions that come to mind regarding what it said, and/or didn't say, according to Joe's video. These are primarily rhetorical questions as food for thought—since we're all interested in using reason, logic and common sense.

1. Is there any way it can be verified that Phil was a patient at the Dammasch State Hospital in Wilsonville, Oregon from July 1968 to January 1969 or that he was a schizophrenic or that he had a tendency to mutilate himself when stressed? (@2:36) NOTE: The hospital was closed in 1995.

2. Is there a reason why the FBI didn't bother to site when and where Phil amputated his fingers and where he was treated so their statement could be verified (i,e., it wasn't clear if he had amputated them while at the hospital or had done it at some other time and place)?

3. Certainly family and friends of Phil would know if he was prone to self-mutilation and if he amputated his fingers himself for attention. Has anyone researched any family or friends of Phil to validate that claim?

4. What type of Uranium did he possess? As far as I know, nuclear-grade Uranium is not available to the public much less any bar schmuck looking to make a few bucks from all those bar folks looking to make a nuclear weapon. Further, non-nuclear-grade Uranium must be enriched to make a nuclear weapon and I'm reasonably confident that Phil would not have access to such enrichment processing. Maybe the FBI knew better.

5. If the FBI interrogated the person in the tavern who allegedly sold Phil the Uranium, why did they only identify him as “George M” and why did they not mention where he got the Uranium from? (@4:30)

6. Why did the report say that Phil claimed to have “removed 300 pounds” of Uranium if he obtained it from George M? This seems like odd terminology to use for a purchase deal. (@4:50)

7. Why did the report not mention the FBI calling the EPA, NRC or even hazmat personnel to deal with a potential radiation contamination issue in and around Phil's apartment—particularly since they didn't know the extent of the radiation potential until the tests came back? And why was this apartment complex not mentioned so any of this could be validated?

8. Why would the FBI not press charges for Phil illegally possessing Uranium and a “potential health risk” simply because of, according to the FBI, his mental illness history? Really? No problem illegally possessing dangerous materials if you're mentally unstable. I'm not saying he should've been put in jail, but he certainly should've been put under some type of psychiatric observation again if what they claim was actually true. (@6:16)

When it comes to highly controversial and potentially true subjects, such as the government conspiracy to cover-up UFO/ET information, I would not put it passed the government (FBI/CIA/NSA, etc.) to plant disinformation/misinformation documents in their archives for future “proof” that those who make such claims are mentally unstable, attention seekers or even foreign operatives attempting to confuse and/or divide the American people and/or subvert one or more government agencies. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but it may be a possibility.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

While I'm not necessarily trying to refute the credibility of the FBI FOIA document (or Joe's analysis), there are a few questions that come to mind regarding what it said, and/or didn't say, according to Joe's video. These are primarily rhetorical questions as food for thought—since we're all interested in using reason, logic and common sense.

1. Is there any way it can be verified that Phil was a patient at the Dammasch State Hospital in Wilsonville, Oregon from July 1968 to January 1969 or that he was a schizophrenic or that he had a tendency to mutilate himself when stressed? (@2:36) NOTE: The hospital was closed in 1995.

Yes, this is in progress - not sure how it will turn up or how long it will take.



2. Is there a reason why the FBI didn't bother to site when and where Phil amputated his fingers and where he was treated so their statement could be verified (i,e., it wasn't clear if he had amputated them while at the hospital or had done it at some other time and place)?Correct, it wasn't clear-- it was listed along with his psychiatric history. I don't think details surrounding his finger amputations was relevant to their interest (even though, I would argue, it should have been).



3. Certainly family and friends of Phil would know if he was prone to self-mutilation and if he amputated his fingers himself for attention. Has anyone researched any family or friends of Phil to validate that claim?I haven't-- has anyone else?


4. What type of Uranium did he possess? As far as I know, nuclear-grade Uranium is not available to the public much less any bar schmuck looking to make a few bucks from all those bar folks looking to make a nuclear weapon. Further, non-nuclear-grade Uranium must be enriched to make a nuclear weapon and I'm reasonably confident that Phil would not have access to such enrichment processing. Maybe the FBI knew better.I'm hoping to find that information out via a pending request to the department of energy.


5. If the FBI interrogated the person in the tavern who allegedly sold Phil the Uranium, why did they only identify him as “George M” and why did they not mention where he got the Uranium from? (@4:30)Great question. You'll have to forgive me- I couldn't cram very much information in a quick video so had to hit the major points. This is a 17 page report. I didn't read George M's full last name on a public video because I didn't want to be held responsible for some yahoo's contacting the guy and then blaming me for harassment. If you contact me by private message, I will be happy to respond with George M's last name. The only reference to the source of where George M acquired the material was a house in Portland- a house that George M was managing after the former owner died. There was no mention in this report as to where George M received the material.


6. Why did the report say that Phil claimed to have “removed 300 pounds” of Uranium if he obtained it from George M? This seems like odd terminology to use for a purchase deal. (@4:50)This was Schneider's claim upon interview. The FBI stated their suspicion that Phil had a tendency to exaggerate due to his mental illness-- "Based on subject's past history, it can be assume his estimates concerning quantity of radio active material may be exaggerated."



7. Why did the report not mention the FBI calling the EPA, NRC or even hazmat personnel to deal with a potential radiation contamination issue in and around Phil's apartment—particularly since they didn't know the extent of the radiation potential until the tests came back? And why was this apartment complex not mentioned so any of this could be validated?The field report was sent to the US Secret Service, the Deputy Attorney General (ATTN: AEU), the Assistant Attorney General- Criminal Division (and Internal Security and General Crimes sections), and the Energy Research and Development Attministration (ATTN: Division of Safeguards and Security). Phil's apartment complex was located at 2255 W. Burnside in Portland. Agents that searched the areas were accompanied by RCS personnel who removed and disposed of the radiological materials. The Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) of Richland, Washington was advised of all of the facts in the report. RCS of richland advised contact be made with RCS portland. Material obtained by Portland has radiation energy level of 100 milliroentgen, or approximately 1,000 time normal radiation.


8. Why would the FBI not press charges for Phil illegally possessing Uranium and a “potential health risk” simply because of, according to the FBI, his mental illness history? Really? No problem illegally possessing dangerous materials if you're mentally unstable. I'm not saying he should've been put in jail, but he certainly should've been put under some type of psychiatric observation again if what they claim was actually true. (@6:16)

I found that strange. I'm unfamiliar with the laws governing this sort of material back in 1975.


When it comes to highly controversial and potentially true subjects, such as the government conspiracy to cover-up UFO/ET information, I would not put it passed the government (FBI/CIA/NSA, etc.) to plant disinformation/misinformation documents in their archives for future “proof” that those who make such claims are mentally unstable, attention seekers or even foreign operatives attempting to confuse and/or divide the American people and/or subvert one or more government agencies. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but it may be a possibility.Of course! :)

[DNA]

I believe in Phil and I will continue to do so regardless of documents being released stating that I shouldn't.

Marcus, do read this. You may not have seen it yet.



Our Need for Heroes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104347-Our-Need-for-Heroes)




Phil was not a one trick pony. He was basically the genesis of the secret space program concept.
Phil seemed pretty accurate in detailing the depopulation agenda and what the elite were planning to do with humanity.
He seemed to know that the destruction of the United States was an aim for the elite. Phil seems pretty prophetic as we sit here now and look back at his message shared some 24 years ago.
Phil knew about abductions, what was being done and why.
And he tied all of this together rather well in my opinion without sounding deranged and or psychotic.
I've seen and talked with schizophrenic people and by and large a common denominator is a lack of being grounded.
Phil comes off very grounded to me as such he does not seem schizophrenic.
And again, you can show me documents signed by Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon, it doesn't mean I'm going to believe their legit just like with this document Joe is bringing to the table. Have you seen the FBI lately? Have you seen how corrupt and untrustworthy they are.
I've got a thread for you in case you haven't read it yet. :wink:

The weaponization of the US intelligence community: 120 agency insiders now speak out (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104116-The-weaponization-of-the-US-intelligence-community-120-agency-insiders-now-speak-out)


Come on, you have to laugh at that one.

In this day and age we can't trust the media, we can't trust our Government, we can't trust the intelligence community.
I've watched every video of Phil's speaking presentations available on youtube, those hours of watched video are fed into my personal lie detector thus contributing to my gut's conclusion that Phil is not lying.
This is simply one man's take, but there it is.

[Innocent Warrior]

@Joe

Not sure how much further you intend to research this case but I’ll leave this information here in case you’re going further. Due to the nature and timing of this researcher’s claimed relationship with Ron Rummel, a thorough interview with him may yield some interesting information and hopefully verifiable facts.

The following information was posted by an administrator of the Pegasus forum who goes by the handle, “A51Watcher”, who investigated cases with Rummel in the 80s.

His OP -


Here Al Bielek admits he was the one who got Phil involved with the lecture circuit.

It figures. ::) Birds of a feather flock together.



Al Bielek talks about Phil Schneider

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eta:

ok so we have Al Bielek admitting he was the one who talked Phil into going on the lecture circuit and used his connections in that field to get Phil a spot.

The question has arisen was Phil hero or Hoaxter?

In 1987 Phil knew very little about UFO's and the coverup. What little he knew were from the Richard Shaver Mystery stories via his friend Ron Rummel.

At this time Ron began receiving information via pre internet BBS systems. This included - The Dulce Papers, The Bill Cooper Hypothesis and the Roswell Investigation was making great strides at this point.

Phil was then exposed to this Bill Cooper videotape -

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... and it blew his socks off! All he could say was "I guess it's time to rally round the flag boys!!"

After he got a continuous form dot matrix printout of the Dulce Papers from Ron, he took it to the next UFO group meeting and at break time was telling anyone who would listen that he was involved in Dulce and pulled out the dot matrix printout to parade as proof of his story.

You may have noticed Phil copied Bill Coopers mannerisms and delivery style for his lectures.

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I asked Ron why did that and and Ron said he had been a habitual liar his whole life.

He also said Phil had lost those fingers playing with explosives in the back yard, not from an alien firefight.

So yeah I saw Phil perpetrate more than one hoax and know where the pieces of his story came from.

Notice Phil says he is holding a piece of 'Corbomite' in the above video?

Google that alleged element and see where he got it from.

I exposed Ron and Phil to a videotape of the new broadcast of George Knapp's Bob Lazar interview as you can see from the above tape they drove down there within 2 weeks to check out the base.

Rather odd that Phil would never mention that in his lectures.

It was A51Watcher who provided the information from the BBS systems to Rummel and Schneider, see his Mission Impossible story further down in the thread. He seems accomodating and reached easily enough through the Pegasus forum. Also, I imagine he would be very interested in seeing this document.

HERE’s (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10293.0) the link to the thread.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Wow, thanks Rachel :) I’m not sure how far I’m going to go either, but those are some intriguing links (especially the discrepancy reports), I appreciate you taking the time to craft the post and cross link it. I’ll check everything out. :)

[Flash]

DNA

From my own experience a few years ago, schizophrenics may look very grounded telling you the most incredible stories.

The fact is that they hallucinate what they say, but for them, it is as true as you and me eating dinner when we are eating dinner. So they are not necessarily lyiers, because they believe what they see, they "experienced it", as we do under certain drugs, only after the drug effect is gone do we know we were hallucinating - the drug effect does not go away for them.

I have been told repeatedly, very convincingly, that I had told someone he was an a ss h o le and he was vain. I repeated that I did not say this at all, many times. He told me I said it, it was my voice, as I was speaking now, and imitated my tone of voice. To which I answered that saying to someone he is an as s ho le, this is my style, but telling someone he is vain, this truly outside my vocabulary, I never use this.

Well, he was so convincing that I started to believe I may be sick and say things I am not aware of saying, that I should check with my daughter because she would tell me the truth (not spare me) if I ever did it.

The following day, I meet this guy's daughter and told her "your father tells me that I say things I do not remember saying, I wonder if these are auditory hallucinations" to which she answered "yes, he does that sometimes". Holy cow, I learned later that he had stopped taking his med.

I doubted myself, so convincing he was.

Twice in my life I doubted my sanity in a major way (in minor ways it is more frequent and also quite funny usually). Both times, I was with people who were not standard, one schizophrenic, and one sociopath. The toughest was the very bright sociopath.

Do what you want of my text here, you may remain unconvinced, but i know it is possible that we have all been fooled. And with many more than Schneider in the alternative world.

I would rather swallow the red pill all along, to the end, on every side.

[DNA]

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I've deleted my post, sometimes hindsight revels certain emotional outbursts one was unaware of until later. :o

But make no mistake, my beloved Phil still rates beyond any tactic I've yet seen aimed at debunking him. :inlove:

[ceetee9]

While I'm not necessarily trying to refute the credibility of the FBI FOIA document (or Joe's analysis), there are a few questions that come to mind regarding what it said, and/or didn't say, according to Joe's video. These are primarily rhetorical questions as food for thought—since we're all interested in using reason, logic and common sense.

1. Is there any way it can be verified that Phil was a patient at the Dammasch State Hospital in Wilsonville, Oregon from July 1968 to January 1969 or that he was a schizophrenic or that he had a tendency to mutilate himself when stressed? (@2:36) NOTE: The hospital was closed in 1995.

Yes, this is in progress - not sure how it will turn up or how long it will take.



2. Is there a reason why the FBI didn't bother to site when and where Phil amputated his fingers and where he was treated so their statement could be verified (i,e., it wasn't clear if he had amputated them while at the hospital or had done it at some other time and place)?Correct, it wasn't clear-- it was listed along with his psychiatric history. I don't think details surrounding his finger amputations was relevant to their interest (even though, I would argue, it should have been).



3. Certainly family and friends of Phil would know if he was prone to self-mutilation and if he amputated his fingers himself for attention. Has anyone researched any family or friends of Phil to validate that claim?I haven't-- has anyone else?


4. What type of Uranium did he possess? As far as I know, nuclear-grade Uranium is not available to the public much less any bar schmuck looking to make a few bucks from all those bar folks looking to make a nuclear weapon. Further, non-nuclear-grade Uranium must be enriched to make a nuclear weapon and I'm reasonably confident that Phil would not have access to such enrichment processing. Maybe the FBI knew better.I'm hoping to find that information out via a pending request to the department of energy.


5. If the FBI interrogated the person in the tavern who allegedly sold Phil the Uranium, why did they only identify him as “George M” and why did they not mention where he got the Uranium from? (@4:30)Great question. You'll have to forgive me- I couldn't cram very much information in a quick video so had to hit the major points. This is a 17 page report. I didn't read George M's full last name on a public video because I didn't want to be held responsible for some yahoo's contacting the guy and then blaming me for harassment. If you contact me by private message, I will be happy to respond with George M's last name. The only reference to the source of where George M acquired the material was a house in Portland- a house that George M was managing after the former owner died. There was no mention in this report as to where George M received the material.


6. Why did the report say that Phil claimed to have “removed 300 pounds” of Uranium if he obtained it from George M? This seems like odd terminology to use for a purchase deal. (@4:50)This was Schneider's claim upon interview. The FBI stated their suspicion that Phil had a tendency to exaggerate due to his mental illness-- "Based on subject's past history, it can be assume his estimates concerning quantity of radio active material may be exaggerated."



7. Why did the report not mention the FBI calling the EPA, NRC or even hazmat personnel to deal with a potential radiation contamination issue in and around Phil's apartment—particularly since they didn't know the extent of the radiation potential until the tests came back? And why was this apartment complex not mentioned so any of this could be validated?The field report was sent to the US Secret Service, the Deputy Attorney General (ATTN: AEU), the Assistant Attorney General- Criminal Division (and Internal Security and General Crimes sections), and the Energy Research and Development Attministration (ATTN: Division of Safeguards and Security). Phil's apartment complex was located at 2255 W. Burnside in Portland. Agents that searched the areas were accompanied by RCS personnel who removed and disposed of the radiological materials. The Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) of Richland, Washington was advised of all of the facts in the report. RCS of richland advised contact be made with RCS portland. Material obtained by Portland has radiation energy level of 100 milliroentgen, or approximately 1,000 time normal radiation.


8. Why would the FBI not press charges for Phil illegally possessing Uranium and a “potential health risk” simply because of, according to the FBI, his mental illness history? Really? No problem illegally possessing dangerous materials if you're mentally unstable. I'm not saying he should've been put in jail, but he certainly should've been put under some type of psychiatric observation again if what they claim was actually true. (@6:16)

I found that strange. I'm unfamiliar with the laws governing this sort of material back in 1975.


When it comes to highly controversial and potentially true subjects, such as the government conspiracy to cover-up UFO/ET information, I would not put it passed the government (FBI/CIA/NSA, etc.) to plant disinformation/misinformation documents in their archives for future “proof” that those who make such claims are mentally unstable, attention seekers or even foreign operatives attempting to confuse and/or divide the American people and/or subvert one or more government agencies. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but it may be a possibility.Of course! :)

Thank you for the clarifications and update Joe.

Another thing that came to mind (that I failed to mention in my post) regarding Phil's missing fingers is addressed in Rachel's post (#32) below: "He also said Phil had lost those fingers playing with explosives in the back yard, not from an alien firefight." This seems a lot more plausible to me than what the FBI report stated since Phil was (allegedly) an explosives expert--although I don't know why (or when) he might've been "playing" with explosives in the backyard (and I'm not saying that I believe this statement more than the others). Obviously, all three explanations can't be right so it's up to the reader, their knowledge and belief in the credibility of the sources, and his/her BS detector to determine if the FBI report statement, Ron Rummel's statement, or Phil's statement is the most likely true statement.

Keep up the good work Joe. I like and appreciate what you do.

[Ascension]

And why were there no apparent signs of acute radiation sickness if he had the stash under his bed for some period of time. And why did he stash it there? Was he not aware of the danger? Unlikely. If he was aware, did he intentionally wish to bring harm to himself? If so, it goes to the self-mutilation idea. If not, the thought process is not logical or the story is not accurate.

[ichingcarpenter]

And why were there no apparent signs of acute radiation sickness if he had the stash under his bed for some period of time. And why did he stash it there? Was he not aware of the danger? Unlikely. If he was aware, did he intentionally wish to bring harm to himself? If so, it goes to the self-mutilation idea. If not, the thought process is not logical or the story is not accurate.

His wife reported he had cancer in both arms in one of her statements. I thought that was an abnormal location to get cancer on your body as compared to
the usual places we get it. I don't know if that explains anything but to only ask the question what does one do with their arms that would cause cancer?

[Hervé]

For some contextual parallel on the era, check this post: Birds of a Feather: CIA & APA (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104365-Birds-of-a-Feather-CIA-APA)

[Denise/Dizi]

While it is possible that Phil had a condition that interfered with the normal functioning of his brain, as it is indicated in Cynthia's information that he did have MS. MS doesn't cause schizophrenia. However. If you tell someone you have had contact, or that someone spoke to you telepathically, they will conclude that you are "Hearing voices" and label you as a schizophrenic. I think he was up against a wall merely by suggesting this happened. Of course they would say that he was ill, and out of his mind. ALL contactee's are told the very same thing... I don't know if I would trust that FBI file. I mean, sure they may have made one, but that doesn't mean it wasn't deliberate to discredit him... Just a thought... It wouldn't surprise me...

[Denise/Dizi]

I always thought Phil looked like a hybrid. His mouth completely straight, his eyes very wide set apart.. Just an observation...

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Obviously this thread was written and is being maintained for Richard Dolan type fans and needs to retain a certain exclusive tenor to it.

As such rather than decent and offer an opposing view I'll simply keep my opinions to myself.

I did not start this thread, use my time, or shoot this video for Richard Dolan type fans. Richard Dolan's name does not appear in my title, description, or tags.

When I post a video on youtube, I shoot the video to appeal to the 1 billion youtube users, both now and in the future.


For those interested, here's part 2, which I cover the issues of Phil's missing fingers and Phil's alleged mental illness:

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[Spellbound]

Some good stuff there, Joe.

Edit - It would be cool if you could get a hold of those hospital records.

Dave - Toronto

[Valerie Villars]

Joe, I'm watching your second video. This was a question I had the other day, but failed to ask.

If the report was declassified on the 18th of September, the same day you received it, is that normal protocol when releasing documents? Or is that just a weird coincidence?

Let me explain. You requested info on him on what date?

Then, did you receive this info via internet? You would have had to, right? If they mailed the information it obviously would not have been received on the same day they declassified it.

It just seems strange, knowing the normal way the government works, which is agonizingly slow, that they would declassify those docs and get them out to you on the same day.

I know nothing about requesting documents through the Freedom of Information Act and have respect for the fact that you are doing the research. I'm looking forward to your response.

[ichingcarpenter]

Joe.... good follow up and yes his medical record is important

I wonder why nobody ever did a FOIA request before on Phil as far as we know. When Phil broke into the scene at conferences the internet data base was in its infancy so research back then was also limited.

Now you can go to a site and get a list of all the U boat commanders in WW2.......... guess what? ....... Phil's dad is not on the list
Don't tell me this was a German conspiracy of keeping his dad off the list and his Dad's history was an important part of his story

All U boat commanders in ww2 linked to the letter S

https://uboat.net/men/commanders/s.htm

[Deux Corbeaux]

Joe.... good follow up and yes his medical record is important

I wonder why nobody ever did a FOIA request before on Phil as far as we know. When Phil broke into the scene at conferences the internet data base was in its infancy so research back then was also limited.

Now you can go to a site and get a list of all the U boat commanders in WW2.......... guess what? ....... Phil's dad is not on the list
Don't tell me this was a German conspiracy of keeping his dad off the list and his Dad's history was an important part of his story

All U boat commanders in ww2 linked to the letter S

https://uboat.net/men/commanders/s.htm

There are people so addicted to exaggeration they can't tell the truth without lying.

[ichingcarpenter]

''There are people so addicted to exaggeration they can't tell the truth without lying.''

This is also stolen valor on the German side of history that he's done to build himself up. Watch Das Boot and no matter what one thinks about WW2 this film shows what the crew went through. Even though the film came out in 81 it started hitting the big time in the 90s, on various venues, dvd, bbc series, english version, long version etc


His story of his dad is not an embellishment of history its an outright lie and liars should never be your heroes.

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Greg Valdez - Dulce Uncensored - Truth and Evidence about The Mysterious Dulce Base

Live stream @ 7:00 PM (EST) - Joe from the Carolinas and Greg Valdez




Summary: Greg Valdez Dulce Uncensored - Dulce Base - The Truth and Evidence about the Mysterious Dulce Base from the Case Files of Gabe Valdez. Greg Valdez is interviewed about details surrounding the mystery about the alleged underground Dulce Base in New Mexico. His book, listed below, assists in clearing up a lot of misinformation and outright fabrications that have followed the Dulce story for years, to finally get us closer to learning the truth about the dulce base.

Paul Bennewitz's involvement led to the air force launching an exhaustive disinformation campaign, and included intelligence agencies involved in the story of the alien base Dulce. Phil Schneider also made some mysterious claims regarding an alien-military shootout underground in dulce. Greg tells us that the Dulce base is actually a classified military testing site.


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Joe from the Carolinas
November 16, 2018

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[Carmody]

I don't know what exactly, to think about this. I reserved my opinion on what was truth and what was not, as it is impossible to tell what was is what.

My issue, or touchstone on this, is that the material he had that he called a 'spacecraft hull'. Anti-gravity craft. Dimensionally shifting craft.

When I went to design such from scratch, on paper but with worked out technology...it ended up looking a lot like what Phil apparently had or showed that he had.

The videos are of low enough quality that a closer look would be required. But that would be in no way definitive, and if definitive, in any direction, would only be definitive for me. For everyone else with a lick of sense, it would be apocryphal. Arms length.

One of the problems is that graphite sheets look quite similar. One of the problems is that a man illiterate in these aspects..... would be very unlikely --to hit the nail that close to the head.

Graphite sheeting is used by the military on various ships and craft.

[TrumanCash]

Unfortunately, I just discovered this thread--Otherwise I would have commented on this back in 2018.

Joe, I knew Phil Schneider personally and I have had the misfortune of being abducted into a military/Grays deep underground base. So I know personally that the "US Government" is cahooting with Grays. I have already posted this information about my contacts with Phil Schneider a number of times on this forum. Neither you nor your "research team" have contacted me to get my side of the story.

Joe, it appears that you are basing your theory on "US government" and "FBI" "declassified documents". So right away the first question that entered my mind is--So we can now believe and trust that everything that the "US government" and the "FBI" states is the truth?

The "US government" is not only a criminal organization, it is a lying, terrorist organization that incites wars and bombs third world countries into the stone age. The FBI is also a lying, criminal organization. I do not need to belabor these points because most of the regulars on this forum are well aware of this.

So why would you trust a so-called "document" from either the "US Government" or the "FBI" and use it to debunk someone you never even knew or had interviewed?

I didn't get abducted into a deep underground military/Grays base until after I knew Phil Schneider. So, Joe, please let me inform you that the "US Government" (that you give as your source to discredit Phil Schneider) has sold us out!

Not only did I personally know Phil Schneider, I personally handled all the materials from Phil's metal, locked briefcase! Guess what?--I'm not dead!

I did not die of radiation sickness! I'm seventy years old in this body and I'm healthy, very much alive and I'm still kicking. I handled these materials about twenty-five years ago! So frankly I consider your ranting about this obvious government propaganda as being quite ludicrous.

In my view Phil Schneider was a true hero. He risked his life to divulge the government's involvement with Grays as well as many other secrets. And, yes, the "US Government" has a very extensive underground base system. Personally, I have only seen a part of that system but it was absolutely an incredible experience complete with flying saucers and advanced technology that we are not allowed to know about. You can read about my experience in this underground base in my second book THE EYE OF RA, which I gave free of charge to the world and it is in the Avalon Library. I have detailed my experience in the "Journey to Discovery" chapter. My underground base experiences start on page 80 of the PDF (EYE OF RA link below).

I also worked with another abductee who was also abducted into a military/Grays base. You can read about that experience in THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET. You can read both of my books by clicking on the links below. I make no money from my books and I don't do interviews because I am not revealing these "US Government" secrets for personal gain or to feed an ego like so many other people do. Phil Schneider did what he did not for monetary gain or to stroke his ego. This man was the real deal.

I first met Phil when he spoke in Post Falls, Idaho with Al Bielek. You can watch this video on YouTube. It was Eva Vale in Hayden, Idaho that arranged for them to come to the area and speak. They both stayed at her house. I talked to Phil after he spoke and showed him drawings of the underground base that the aforementioned abductee was abducted into. He was not familiar with that particular base. But we had a good conversation.

At the Post Falls event Phil opened his shirt and showed the huge scar that he said was made by a weapon of a tall Gray.

At another time I met with both Phil and Al at Eva Vale's house.

The third time that I met with Phil and Al was months later in a small room in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Initially, a friend of mine who was a scientist and engineer was going to go with me and bring his video camera but at the last minute he couldn't make it. Unfortunately, I did not own a video camera so I was not able to record that experience. If I had had a video camera I can assure you that it would be on YouTube and other video platforms. This was just a small gathering arranged by Eva Vale and there were only a half dozen people there in that small room.

This is when Phil opened up his metal case with all the very intriguing materials that he had. He allowed us to handle them. I had never seen or held anything like them. I did not get sick from handling them so please, Joe, stop your "radiation" scare.

BTW, I have never publicly described all the things from that metal case that Phil showed me and allowed me to handle.

It was also at this time that Phil described his shoot out with an FBI agent. He said that an FBI agent had run him off the road. If memory serves this occurred in the Portland, Oregon area. I think Phil said he was living in Beaverton at that time.

After being run off the road Phil got out of his vehicle and the agent started shooting at him. Since Phil usually carries a gun with him, he shot back and killed the FBI agent. Unfortunately, Phil got shot in his shoulder during the shoot out.

It was at this time that Phil opened up his shirt again and revealed a round, bullet-hole-size scar in his left shoulder that was not there before!

Phil then said that he later went to the FBI office in Portland and told them point blank that he had killed an FBI agent! The man that he spoke to told him to get out of his office at that point. The FBI didn't want to talk with him because they were trying to kill him! Man, Phil had humungous balls! How many people would have that much courage to do this?

It is my understanding that this was the thirteenth assassination attempt of Phil Schneider by the "US Government".

It is also my understanding that the "US Government" finally killed him in his own home on the fourteenth try by wrapping a rubber tube around his neck. According to Al Bielek, Phil could not have done that because he had fingers blown off, etc, and he could not have physically used his body to do that. So it was not a suicide or a burglary. They did not steal his valuables like his gold and silver coins--They only took his metal case with all the exotic metals and other evidence that I had personally handled.

Phil was a very solid being in that he could stand his ground and confront just about anything. You don't meet people like this very often in life. Since I was in his presence I could actually "feel" who he was and how he was. He was always very calm, self-assured, steadfast and yet humble. He wasn't looking for praise or anything like that. He didn't have an ego that needed to be stroked (David and Corey come to mind, lol).

Joe, if you had only known Phil you wouldn't have posted this thread. But you didn't and you jumped to false and misleading conclusions based upon so-called "documents" from the criminal, sociopathic, fascist "US Government".

Of course the "US Government" and the "FBI" are going to make up some bullsh*t documents to try to discredit Phil Schneider. Phil was exposing their deepest secrets! Do you think the "US Government" wants us to know that they have sold us out and are working directly with Grays and other very negative ETs?

Why do you think I have been keeping a low profile and using the pen name Truman Cash? They assassinate people like me who talk about these things! What do you think happened to abductee and abduction researcher Karla Turner, who exposed the "US Government" involvement with negative ETs in underground bases? Like me she had not signed a non-disclosure agreement. However, Phil did.

Abductee Leah Haley also exposed the involvement of the "US Government" with Grays in an underground base. Fortunately, she was not murdered--but they harassed and threatened her.

I was also threatened to keep my mouth shut when I was in the deep underground base in the northwest. However, I see no value in being a martyr. I happen to be enjoying life immensely and, frankly, very few people appreciate you when you expose "US Government" secrets that seem too fantastic to believe. Instead, you expose yourself to ridicule by people who have little or no discernment or any real desire to get at the truth of the matter.

I see an endless parade of YouTube circus clowns debunking whistleblowers and experiencers and making all kinds of wild speculations and claims about this or that when they have experienced nothing themselves yet hold themselves out as some kind of expert. For the most part they just seem to be seeking attention to feed their egos, more subscribers and more video views. What a vast wasteland of people who only muddy the waters and end up discouraging real experiencers--people who have had actual contact with ETs--from going public. Why would any abductee/contactee want to subject themselves to this kind of treatment?

The last time I saw Phil it was not in person. By some very strange coincidence I was surfing cable channels (while living in Spokane, Washington) and I stumbled upon an interview of Phil Schneider by a Portland-based television station. Phil was talking about how the "US Government" was murdering microbiologists that were working on secret government projects.

Joe, Phil Schneider was a true American hero. Phil Schneider was a true, honest-to-goodness whistleblower. He was not a Corey Goode. He was not a David Wilcock. He was the real thing.

I find it very sad that you have chosen to side with "US Government" propaganda over actually doing some hands on research before making YouTube videos about Phil Schneider.

You said in your video that it was not to debunk Phil, but you actually did do that. The radiation scare tactic--as I said--is absolute bullsh*t. I know that is a fact.

From my perspective what you did with your video and this thread was not to actually discredit a true whistleblower and hero, but instead you discredited yourself. You really jumped the shark on this one, Joe.

I will PM you so that you know that I have posted the truth about Phil Schneider on your thread. I am hoping that you will take down your fear-based, debunking video and this thread and apologize for invalidating a true American hero and whistleblower. Will you have the courage to publicly do that--the same kind of courage that Phil Schneider had?

And May The Truth Set Us Free,

Truman L. Cash

[Denise/Dizi]

Having had my own experiences, and making the same mistake as Val did... (I told my family) the FIRST thing they did was whisk me off to the hospital as well. For a psych evaluation and CT scan, along with blood tests.

I quickly learned that you NEVER talk of such things... EVER.. However I do now have medical records that show absolutely nothing out of the normal was wrong with me. So that was a good thing. Aside from that fact that I was receiving telepathic messages. The Dr. seemed more interested in what I was being told than whether or not I was "SICK" in any way. And within a month I received a letter from my medical insurance company suggesting that my medical records were ALL hacked and sent to a state sponsored agency for review! And I have the document to prove it! I can also prove that that particular agency also studies ufology....

It wasn't a week later that both of the email servers I use notified me that both of those account had also been hacked "By a state sponsored agency".. I have proof of that as well... Why did the "State" suddenly have an interest in my mental health? And more over, what I was saying to others about my experiences? I was assured that they all signed "Confidentiality agreements" after reading my information however... Small bit of condolence, given the horrible intrusion into my personal experiences....

I tend to give more credibility to those that knew the person than those that type up documents after the fact, directing a narrative. Look at how many secret operations they buried that we never would have known abut had someone not come forward. Like the government planning to attack one of our own ships to deal with Castro (I think it was Castro).. and the MK ultra work done in the past.. Had someone not died would we ever have known?

Mental illness doesn't just appear overnight, say goodbye, and go away... I think those in my small circle are beginning to realize I wasn't sick at all, but that something very unusual happened to me. And no, we are absolutely not alone... and they're reaching out to many of us now letting us know this...

I strongly believe that those that are speaking on the scene, are only touching on a small part of the phenomenon. I met two very wonderful ladies this last week that had pieces of MY puzzle, just by telling me parts of THEIRS.. This cannot be a coincidence... I was thrilled to be able to talk to them about such things...

And once you link to these beings their minds work so fast, you are left babbling like an idiot for awhile. I can see why people would be concerned. I learned to shut up fast! Their minds work as fast as a computer processing so much data at one time, that we couldn't fathom it. I am not completely convinced they haven't merged their minds with technology at this point. So when they telepathicaly reach out to you they have to slow their information down to a crawl for you to even understand it.

I just hope that the truth does come out, because it is long overdue... No one knew Phil like Cynthia... And if she found inconsistencies, I believe her. She would know. She stood to gain nothing by shining up his reputation after his death, they had parted ways.

I was very disheartened to spend so much time and money going to a ufo conference that really didn't even touch on the subjects at hand. What a sad state of affairs this field has found itself in. I was very disappointed in many ways, and had it not been for the ability to speak to others, I think the whole ufo event in general would have been a waste of time and money. Going to the Avalon event was the only thing that saved the trip in my opinion.

We need to stop picking people apart and dig into what they're saying, because even if it is lies, there is some truth to it somewhere. They're getting the ideas from somewhere. And too many people are suggesting the same things. But these are just my opinions.

I admire Joe for the work that he does. He looks for that proof, but from agencies we no longer can trust to give us real legitamite proof. What a mess....

[TrumanCash]

One of the ironies of the Phil Schneider case is that he actually had evidence. Some of the so-called "ufologists" make a big deal about having "evidence". That is in itself ironic since both the abducting (i.e., negative) ETs and the "US Government" are extremely careful and thorough about not leaving any evidence. Yet some of these "ufologists" state that no one has credibility without evidence.

Phil Schneider had a whole metal case full of evidence! After personally handling these materials, seeing the photographic evidence that Phil had, etc. I think it would be safe to say that most of the evidence in Phil's metal case was not featured and detailed in any of the videos on the internet. So where were all these so-called "ufologists" when Phil was openly showing this evidence and even allowing people like me to handle the evidence?

The other telling fact is that that metal case was the only thing missing from Phil Schneider's home when they finally killed him. His valuables were not stolen--only that metal case of evidence.

And another most important point to bring up is why was the "US Government" so intent on killing Phil? If Phil was not the real deal, why would the "US Government" try to assassinate Phil THIRTEEN TIMES before they finally killed him?

In my opinion "ufology" is a joke. Most ufologists overlook the most significant source of information about ETs and that comes from the people who have had firsthand experience with ETs. Granted there are a few charlatans that muddy the waters but their false narratives are usually revealed eventually. And there are many thousands of people who have had memories of actual firsthand experience with ETs. But somehow this is not considered evidence. And as Dizi appears to indicate in her post above, why would any abductee or contactee want to go public when they will be attacked, debunked, ridiculed, shunned or worse?

And, yes, there are ETs who implant false memories, aka "screen memories". But these false memories can be revealed for what they are and there appear to be more than one method to do so. I find it very easy to do with the method that I use, which is simply going over the experience multiple times (usually 3 or 4 times is all it takes while the subject is not under hypnosis) and the "screen memories" disappear on their own without any prompting or suggestion to the abductee. The same technique works with the "US Government's" MKUltra-style mind control techniques. With ETs these false memories usually are implanted so that the abductee will think that he or she has had a positive experience rather than a negative one. But the memory of having had an experience with ETs is still there, whether positive or negative.

Memories of abductions are indeed evidence. Think about it....Everything we do and think is based upon memories. Scientists and "ufologists" could not function without having a memory. In fact, without memory we would not survive. We would not know how to eat or procure food. This is all learned through experience which is recorded as memory.

The other point I'd like to make is that the Phil Schneider case has nothing to do with "hero worship" or some such imagined thing. Phil Schneider was not recognized as a hero. He was hardly recognized at all by the "UFO" community or "ufologists" when he was traveling around and openly giving talks with Al Bielek and publicly showing people the evidence.

In my opinion, anyone who has the balls to stand up to the violent, fascist "US Government" is a hero. I am not one of those people. As I mentioned in my previous post I see no value in being a martyr by going public. It is dangerous to go public about being abducted into a military/alien underground base. Also, all one has to do is to read the kind of comments people make on forums and YouTube videos and see the mean-spirited debunking and ridicule aimed at those who do talk about their experiences with ETs. Who wants to invite all that negative energy into their lives?

There have been very few actual ET contact researchers--Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Linda Moulton Howe and David Jacobs come to mind. All the other clowns on YouTube haven't done a lick of actual research and are at best just data miners with little discernment. Pretty much a waste of time to listen to. As I have stated so many times, anyone can become a real researcher and work with real people who have had real experiences. But instead they spend their time on forums offering their speculations and "opinions" which are all quite worthless and a waste of time. Nowadays it's called "social media". We used to call that "gossip". In reality they are just arm chair philosophers pretending to be expert commentators on subjects they have no understanding of because they're too lazy to do any real hands-on research.

[Denise/Dizi]

There have been very few actual ET contact researchers--Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic, Linda Moulton Howe and David Jacobs come to mind. All the other clowns on YouTube haven't done a lick of actual research and are at best just data miners with little discernment. Pretty much a waste of time to listen to. As I have stated so many times, anyone can become a real researcher and work with real people who have had real experiences. But instead they spend their time on forums offering their speculations and "opinions" which are all quite worthless and a waste of time. Nowadays it's called "social media". We used to call that "gossip". In reality they are just arm chair philosophers pretending to be expert commentators on subjects they have no understanding of because they're too lazy to do any real hands-on research.

You sure know how to say a lot in a short space Truman, my hats off to you.. My experiences were very unusual in that while everyone else seems to be having horrible experiences, I was told WHY they're doing it, and I think no matter what type of contact that you have, there is so much that we don't know, that we must remain flexible in our way of thinking. David Jacobs has good reason to be very afraid. Karla Turner was telling the truth and hitting on things that make the subject what it is, DANGEROUS to humanity.

Even when you have a GOOD et contact, what they tell you is NOT GOOD... And we need to address it!

While I may have had positive experiences, the information I learned was HORRIBLE. It may answer a few questions, but the suggestions themselves tell me, we are NOT in a good place when it comes to our first contacts, and we DO need to wake the masses somehow that this stuff is going on. It's not a time to have a big ego and point fingers at who presents the information the best. The more we "in fight", the less chance we have of self correcting, and it is desperately needed.

The one advantage that they have over us, is that we are easily redirected when it comes to bickering about who is right and who is wrong. People fighting over COLORS around voting time, while all of our rights are being stripped away. It almost seems as if humanity is being dumbed down. And it's a shame. Research means you take someone's work, and REEVALUATE IT, you look for new proofs, new evidence. You don't just reread it, and form a conclusion. You're right about the research field at large .. it is in a state of perpetual stupidity. People cutting up the work of others to poke fun at them, rather than actually looking for truth. I would like to know how many of those "Professionals" on the scene are actually doing anything more than watching the youtube videos of others?

My hats off to Joe in that regard, he looks for evidence... But even then, can we trust that evidence? I have even noticed that to talk about the subject of et, and their motivations and actions here on Avalon, is a rare thing. I had more conversations in one day in Laughlin about the subject, than I have come across here, during the entire time I have been here. And that's a shame. A large group of well intentioned, intelligent people, SHOULD be able to openly exchange thoughts, stories and ideas about it openly here, yet we do not.

[TrumanCash]

Dizi, I want to thank you for informing us in post #51 what it is like to tell other people about contact with ETs. It sounds like you really found out the hard way what can happen. Fortunately, I never had to go through what you went through. In the post above you asked "can we trust that evidence?" in reference to the so-called document that Joe is using to discredit Phil Schneider. My question would be "How can we even call this "evidence"? It is not evidence!

It is not a secret that the "US Government" was trying to shut Phil Schneider up by murdering him after thirteen failed assassination attempts and the FBI was directly involved with trying to kill Phil. This is what the "US Government" does when people tell the truth about the "US Government". The "US Government' has lost all credibility. They actually stage terrorist attacks. They lie. They attack and kill innocent people. We know that. So we can now trust the "US Government" to tell the truth?!!

Now that Phil Schneider is dead he cannot address or defend himself against such blatant lies like that so-called "declassified document". Since I knew Phil and I know he was the real deal I feel that it is my duty to defend him. Anyone who actually does real research about Phil knows he was the real deal. I think it is a dreadful shame that the "US Government" manufactured such horrendous lies to discredit him and, of course, even worse murder him for telling the truth about the "US government" conspiracy with Grays and other negative ETs.

I can personally verify that Phil Schneider was telling the truth about this because I have been abducted by Grays and the US military in two joint abductions. I was drugged by the US military during one of those abductions and forced by military personnel to be subjected to inhumane treatment by the Grays and then threatened by US military personnel to keep my mouth shut.

I want to thank DNA for posting the declaration of Phil Schneider's ex-wife, Cynthia Schneider Drayer in post #6 of this thread. That declaration has immensely more weight than the "US Government" lies, corruption and murders and so-called "documents". Apparently, Joe and his so-called "research team" didn't read her document or interview her. So much for their so-called "research".

I know that there are people who actually trust what the government says but I never expected that kind of response from someone who should know better. My question is--Why is Joe giving the "US Government" any credibility at all? Whose side is Joe on? Why are he and his so-called "research team" ganging up on an abductee to discredit him when he is dead and cannot defend his reputation?

And who are the people in Joe's research team? Inquiring minds want to know. What are their credentials to qualify themselves as actual "researchers"?

Joe and his "research team" are doing more harm than good by siding with the "US Government" to discredit a real whistleblower. They are also making it less safe for abductees and contactees and other whistleblowers to go public about their experiences. When we get such irresponsible attacks and debunking why should we bother to say anything at all? Who needs that kind of grief for talking about our experiences?

I am not going to look the other way on this matter simply because Joe is an Avalon member. What Joe and his so-called "research team" are doing is just plain wrong. So I am calling him out on it. He needs to take responsibility for his actions.

[Denise/Dizi]

I am so torn when it comes to what can be used as evidence and proof anymore because I have had contacts, and they leave so very little in the way of proof. I was standing under two incredible craft without anything in my hand to take photographs. And this happened TWICE.. ( I really need to get used to having my phone with me)...

So I know the challenges people face when trying to prove anything. I had contacts for 6 solid months. And I do not care who believes it... I was sober, sane, and shocked.. (Kind of thought it was the coolest thing ever actually... ) Yet I have not even an ounce of proof I can share, aside from the experiences and HOPE that someone hears something familiar..

I think those in the research field are doing THEIR best as well, from whatever angle they're coming at it from, but the conversation about the issues surrounding this contact are getting lost in these disputes about what is proof, what is good evidence, who is right, and who is wrong... And the bickering over who to believe... And THAT is what worries me...

It is kind of like Democrats slinging dirt at Republicans, and vice versa, and while we take up a side, they both get together in the background and make all kinds of changes while we are distracted. We really need to fix that... Agree to disagree but keep bringing up the TOPICS...

This is just my opinion on the matter. It frustrates me. Truly I do not care who thinks I am insane. They don't have to live with me... But we need to get a handle on this issue before it's too late. I have never been to New York, but I believe it is there... Just saying, at some point you have to consider that you don't know everything and have to rely on some trust, that not everyone wants to mislead you.

I hope that this sorts itself out because I love you both... And I know that you're both working for the same thing, THE TRUTH.... Hugs...

[AutumnW]

Unfortunately, I just discovered this thread--Otherwise I would have commented on this back in 2018.

Joe, I knew Phil Schneider personally and I have had the misfortune of being abducted into a military/Grays deep underground base. So I know personally that the "US Government" is cahooting with Grays. I have already posted this information about my contacts with Phil Schneider a number of times on this forum. Neither you nor your "research team" have contacted me to get my side of the story.

Joe, it appears that you are basing your theory on "US government" and "FBI" "declassified documents". So right away the first question that entered my mind is--So we can now believe and trust that everything that the "US government" and the "FBI" states is the truth?

The "US government" is not only a criminal organization, it is a lying, terrorist organization that incites wars and bombs third world countries into the stone age. The FBI is also a lying, criminal organization. I do not need to belabor these points because most of the regulars on this forum are well aware of this.

So why would you trust a so-called "document" from either the "US Government" or the "FBI" and use it to debunk someone you never even knew or had interviewed?

I didn't get abducted into a deep underground military/Grays base until after I knew Phil Schneider. So, Joe, please let me inform you that the "US Government" (that you give as your source to discredit Phil Schneider) has sold us out!

Not only did I personally know Phil Schneider, I personally handled all the materials from Phil's metal, locked briefcase! Guess what?--I'm not dead!

I did not die of radiation sickness! I'm seventy years old in this body and I'm healthy, very much alive and I'm still kicking. I handled these materials about twenty-five years ago! So frankly I consider your ranting about this obvious government propaganda as being quite ludicrous.

In my view Phil Schneider was a true hero. He risked his life to divulge the government's involvement with Grays as well as many other secrets. And, yes, the "US Government" has a very extensive underground base system. Personally, I have only seen a part of that system but it was absolutely an incredible experience complete with flying saucers and advanced technology that we are not allowed to know about. You can read about my experience in this underground base in my second book THE EYE OF RA, which I gave free of charge to the world and it is in the Avalon Library. I have detailed my experience in the "Journey to Discovery" chapter. My underground base experiences start on page 80 of the PDF (EYE OF RA link below).

I also worked with another abductee who was also abducted into a military/Grays base. You can read about that experience in THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET. You can read both of my books by clicking on the links below. I make no money from my books and I don't do interviews because I am not revealing these "US Government" secrets for personal gain or to feed an ego like so many other people do. Phil Schneider did what he did not for monetary gain or to stroke his ego. This man was the real deal.

I first met Phil when he spoke in Post Falls, Idaho with Al Bielek. You can watch this video on YouTube. It was Eva Vale in Hayden, Idaho that arranged for them to come to the area and speak. They both stayed at her house. I talked to Phil after he spoke and showed him drawings of the underground base that the aforementioned abductee was abducted into. He was not familiar with that particular base. But we had a good conversation.

At the Post Falls event Phil opened his shirt and showed the huge scar that he said was made by a weapon of a tall Gray.

At another time I met with both Phil and Al at Eva Vale's house.

The third time that I met with Phil and Al was months later in a small room in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Initially, a friend of mine who was a scientist and engineer was going to go with me and bring his video camera but at the last minute he couldn't make it. Unfortunately, I did not own a video camera so I was not able to record that experience. If I had had a video camera I can assure you that it would be on YouTube and other video platforms. This was just a small gathering arranged by Eva Vale and there were only a half dozen people there in that small room.

This is when Phil opened up his metal case with all the very intriguing materials that he had. He allowed us to handle them. I had never seen or held anything like them. I did not get sick from handling them so please, Joe, stop your "radiation" scare.

BTW, I have never publicly described all the things from that metal case that Phil showed me and allowed me to handle.

It was also at this time that Phil described his shoot out with an FBI agent. He said that an FBI agent had run him off the road. If memory serves this occurred in the Portland, Oregon area. I think Phil said he was living in Beaverton at that time.

After being run off the road Phil got out of his vehicle and the agent started shooting at him. Since Phil usually carries a gun with him, he shot back and killed the FBI agent. Unfortunately, Phil got shot in his shoulder during the shoot out.

It was at this time that Phil opened up his shirt again and revealed a round, bullet-hole-size scar in his left shoulder that was not there before!

Phil then said that he later went to the FBI office in Portland and told them point blank that he had killed an FBI agent! The man that he spoke to told him to get out of his office at that point. The FBI didn't want to talk with him because they were trying to kill him! Man, Phil had humungous balls! How many people would have that much courage to do this?

It is my understanding that this was the thirteenth assassination attempt of Phil Schneider by the "US Government".

It is also my understanding that the "US Government" finally killed him in his own home on the fourteenth try by wrapping a rubber tube around his neck. According to Al Bielek, Phil could not have done that because he had fingers blown off, etc, and he could not have physically used his body to do that. So it was not a suicide or a burglary. They did not steal his valuables like his gold and silver coins--They only took his metal case with all the exotic metals and other evidence that I had personally handled.

Phil was a very solid being in that he could stand his ground and confront just about anything. You don't meet people like this very often in life. Since I was in his presence I could actually "feel" who he was and how he was. He was always very calm, self-assured, steadfast and yet humble. He wasn't looking for praise or anything like that. He didn't have an ego that needed to be stroked (David and Corey come to mind, lol).

Joe, if you had only known Phil you wouldn't have posted this thread. But you didn't and you jumped to false and misleading conclusions based upon so-called "documents" from the criminal, sociopathic, fascist "US Government".

Of course the "US Government" and the "FBI" are going to make up some bullsh*t documents to try to discredit Phil Schneider. Phil was exposing their deepest secrets! Do you think the "US Government" wants us to know that they have sold us out and are working directly with Grays and other very negative ETs?

Why do you think I have been keeping a low profile and using the pen name Truman Cash? They assassinate people like me who talk about these things! What do you think happened to abductee and abduction researcher Karla Turner, who exposed the "US Government" involvement with negative ETs in underground bases? Like me she had not signed a non-disclosure agreement. However, Phil did.

Abductee Leah Haley also exposed the involvement of the "US Government" with Grays in an underground base. Fortunately, she was not murdered--but they harassed and threatened her.

I was also threatened to keep my mouth shut when I was in the deep underground base in the northwest. However, I see no value in being a martyr. I happen to be enjoying life immensely and, frankly, very few people appreciate you when you expose "US Government" secrets that seem too fantastic to believe. Instead, you expose yourself to ridicule by people who have little or no discernment or any real desire to get at the truth of the matter.

I see an endless parade of YouTube circus clowns debunking whistleblowers and experiencers and making all kinds of wild speculations and claims about this or that when they have experienced nothing themselves yet hold themselves out as some kind of expert. For the most part they just seem to be seeking attention to feed their egos, more subscribers and more video views. What a vast wasteland of people who only muddy the waters and end up discouraging real experiencers--people who have had actual contact with ETs--from going public. Why would any abductee/contactee want to subject themselves to this kind of treatment?

The last time I saw Phil it was not in person. By some very strange coincidence I was surfing cable channels (while living in Spokane, Washington) and I stumbled upon an interview of Phil Schneider by a Portland-based television station. Phil was talking about how the "US Government" was murdering microbiologists that were working on secret government projects.

Joe, Phil Schneider was a true American hero. Phil Schneider was a true, honest-to-goodness whistleblower. He was not a Corey Goode. He was not a David Wilcock. He was the real thing.

I find it very sad that you have chosen to side with "US Government" propaganda over actually doing some hands on research before making YouTube videos about Phil Schneider.

You said in your video that it was not to debunk Phil, but you actually did do that. The radiation scare tactic--as I said--is absolute bullsh*t. I know that is a fact.

From my perspective what you did with your video and this thread was not to actually discredit a true whistleblower and hero, but instead you discredited yourself. You really jumped the shark on this one, Joe.

I will PM you so that you know that I have posted the truth about Phil Schneider on your thread. I am hoping that you will take down your fear-based, debunking video and this thread and apologize for invalidating a true American hero and whistleblower. Will you have the courage to publicly do that--the same kind of courage that Phil Schneider had?

And May The Truth Set Us Free,

Truman L. Cash

Phil Schneider told you that he killed an FBI officer and then turned himself in...and they told him to go away? Further to that they told him he should go away because, "they were trying to kill him?"

Who were the FBI trying to kill, the FBI officer? Maybe they should have sent Phil on his way with a fruit basket, if that was the case...or perhaps a year's supply of Thorazine.

[Denise/Dizi]

Phil Schneider told you that he killed an FBI officer and then turned himself in...and they told him to go away? Further to that they told him he should go away because, "they were trying to kill him?"

Who were the FBI trying to kill, the FBI officer? Maybe they should have sent Phil on his way with a fruit basket, if that was the case...or perhaps a year's supply of Thorazine.

I must be really tired.. Because I read that and it went right over my head Mike.. Nice catch...

Truman.. When he told you that story did he explain WHY they told him to get out of there? I mean literally... Did he happen to catch an FBI agent that was trying to HELP HIM in some way? As if to say "Just GO, we KNOW.. " or did they just act like the guy wasn't an agent? Maybe he wasn't an fbi agent and they thought he was disturbed by claimed he killed one of them. And Phil didn't know it wasn't FBI?

I just want to try to make sense of the statement now that it has been brought back up, and I see what Mike is saying.

MANY people handled Phil's stuff and didn't die.. And again his ex wife stood to gain nothing by taking his information and confirming that he wasn't "that guy.." So again there is some serious truth to most of the things that you're suggesting. Which is why I wish that there could be some common ground found between you and Joe.. As I do think you're both working for the same side here.

Who was the other guy that was speaking on the circuit with him that got shot in front of his house.. Bill something or other? (Sorry I am very tired)... I mean people WERE being taken out at the time for speaking out against the establishment.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

I’ve read your post. Thanks for your opinion and for sharing your experiences and truths. I’m no longer talking about people, including Phil Schneider.


Unfortunately, I just discovered this thread--Otherwise I would have commented on this back in 2018.

Joe, I knew Phil Schneider personally and I have had the misfortune of being abducted into a military/Grays deep underground base. So I know personally that the "US Government" is cahooting with Grays. I have already posted this information about my contacts with Phil Schneider a number of times on this forum. Neither you nor your "research team" have contacted me to get my side of the story.

Joe, it appears that you are basing your theory on "US government" and "FBI" "declassified documents". So right away the first question that entered my mind is--So we can now believe and trust that everything that the "US government" and the "FBI" states is the truth?

The "US government" is not only a criminal organization, it is a lying, terrorist organization that incites wars and bombs third world countries into the stone age. The FBI is also a lying, criminal organization. I do not need to belabor these points because most of the regulars on this forum are well aware of this.

So why would you trust a so-called "document" from either the "US Government" or the "FBI" and use it to debunk someone you never even knew or had interviewed?

I didn't get abducted into a deep underground military/Grays base until after I knew Phil Schneider. So, Joe, please let me inform you that the "US Government" (that you give as your source to discredit Phil Schneider) has sold us out!

Not only did I personally know Phil Schneider, I personally handled all the materials from Phil's metal, locked briefcase! Guess what?--I'm not dead!

I did not die of radiation sickness! I'm seventy years old in this body and I'm healthy, very much alive and I'm still kicking. I handled these materials about twenty-five years ago! So frankly I consider your ranting about this obvious government propaganda as being quite ludicrous.

In my view Phil Schneider was a true hero. He risked his life to divulge the government's involvement with Grays as well as many other secrets. And, yes, the "US Government" has a very extensive underground base system. Personally, I have only seen a part of that system but it was absolutely an incredible experience complete with flying saucers and advanced technology that we are not allowed to know about. You can read about my experience in this underground base in my second book THE EYE OF RA, which I gave free of charge to the world and it is in the Avalon Library. I have detailed my experience in the "Journey to Discovery" chapter. My underground base experiences start on page 80 of the PDF (EYE OF RA link below).

I also worked with another abductee who was also abducted into a military/Grays base. You can read about that experience in THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET. You can read both of my books by clicking on the links below. I make no money from my books and I don't do interviews because I am not revealing these "US Government" secrets for personal gain or to feed an ego like so many other people do. Phil Schneider did what he did not for monetary gain or to stroke his ego. This man was the real deal.

I first met Phil when he spoke in Post Falls, Idaho with Al Bielek. You can watch this video on YouTube. It was Eva Vale in Hayden, Idaho that arranged for them to come to the area and speak. They both stayed at her house. I talked to Phil after he spoke and showed him drawings of the underground base that the aforementioned abductee was abducted into. He was not familiar with that particular base. But we had a good conversation.

At the Post Falls event Phil opened his shirt and showed the huge scar that he said was made by a weapon of a tall Gray.

At another time I met with both Phil and Al at Eva Vale's house.

The third time that I met with Phil and Al was months later in a small room in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Initially, a friend of mine who was a scientist and engineer was going to go with me and bring his video camera but at the last minute he couldn't make it. Unfortunately, I did not own a video camera so I was not able to record that experience. If I had had a video camera I can assure you that it would be on YouTube and other video platforms. This was just a small gathering arranged by Eva Vale and there were only a half dozen people there in that small room.

This is when Phil opened up his metal case with all the very intriguing materials that he had. He allowed us to handle them. I had never seen or held anything like them. I did not get sick from handling them so please, Joe, stop your "radiation" scare.

BTW, I have never publicly described all the things from that metal case that Phil showed me and allowed me to handle.

It was also at this time that Phil described his shoot out with an FBI agent. He said that an FBI agent had run him off the road. If memory serves this occurred in the Portland, Oregon area. I think Phil said he was living in Beaverton at that time.

After being run off the road Phil got out of his vehicle and the agent started shooting at him. Since Phil usually carries a gun with him, he shot back and killed the FBI agent. Unfortunately, Phil got shot in his shoulder during the shoot out.

It was at this time that Phil opened up his shirt again and revealed a round, bullet-hole-size scar in his left shoulder that was not there before!

Phil then said that he later went to the FBI office in Portland and told them point blank that he had killed an FBI agent! The man that he spoke to told him to get out of his office at that point. The FBI didn't want to talk with him because they were trying to kill him! Man, Phil had humungous balls! How many people would have that much courage to do this?

It is my understanding that this was the thirteenth assassination attempt of Phil Schneider by the "US Government".

It is also my understanding that the "US Government" finally killed him in his own home on the fourteenth try by wrapping a rubber tube around his neck. According to Al Bielek, Phil could not have done that because he had fingers blown off, etc, and he could not have physically used his body to do that. So it was not a suicide or a burglary. They did not steal his valuables like his gold and silver coins--They only took his metal case with all the exotic metals and other evidence that I had personally handled.

Phil was a very solid being in that he could stand his ground and confront just about anything. You don't meet people like this very often in life. Since I was in his presence I could actually "feel" who he was and how he was. He was always very calm, self-assured, steadfast and yet humble. He wasn't looking for praise or anything like that. He didn't have an ego that needed to be stroked (David and Corey come to mind, lol).

Joe, if you had only known Phil you wouldn't have posted this thread. But you didn't and you jumped to false and misleading conclusions based upon so-called "documents" from the criminal, sociopathic, fascist "US Government".

Of course the "US Government" and the "FBI" are going to make up some bullsh*t documents to try to discredit Phil Schneider. Phil was exposing their deepest secrets! Do you think the "US Government" wants us to know that they have sold us out and are working directly with Grays and other very negative ETs?

Why do you think I have been keeping a low profile and using the pen name Truman Cash? They assassinate people like me who talk about these things! What do you think happened to abductee and abduction researcher Karla Turner, who exposed the "US Government" involvement with negative ETs in underground bases? Like me she had not signed a non-disclosure agreement. However, Phil did.

Abductee Leah Haley also exposed the involvement of the "US Government" with Grays in an underground base. Fortunately, she was not murdered--but they harassed and threatened her.

I was also threatened to keep my mouth shut when I was in the deep underground base in the northwest. However, I see no value in being a martyr. I happen to be enjoying life immensely and, frankly, very few people appreciate you when you expose "US Government" secrets that seem too fantastic to believe. Instead, you expose yourself to ridicule by people who have little or no discernment or any real desire to get at the truth of the matter.

I see an endless parade of YouTube circus clowns debunking whistleblowers and experiencers and making all kinds of wild speculations and claims about this or that when they have experienced nothing themselves yet hold themselves out as some kind of expert. For the most part they just seem to be seeking attention to feed their egos, more subscribers and more video views. What a vast wasteland of people who only muddy the waters and end up discouraging real experiencers--people who have had actual contact with ETs--from going public. Why would any abductee/contactee want to subject themselves to this kind of treatment?

The last time I saw Phil it was not in person. By some very strange coincidence I was surfing cable channels (while living in Spokane, Washington) and I stumbled upon an interview of Phil Schneider by a Portland-based television station. Phil was talking about how the "US Government" was murdering microbiologists that were working on secret government projects.

Joe, Phil Schneider was a true American hero. Phil Schneider was a true, honest-to-goodness whistleblower. He was not a Corey Goode. He was not a David Wilcock. He was the real thing.

I find it very sad that you have chosen to side with "US Government" propaganda over actually doing some hands on research before making YouTube videos about Phil Schneider.

You said in your video that it was not to debunk Phil, but you actually did do that. The radiation scare tactic--as I said--is absolute bullsh*t. I know that is a fact.

From my perspective what you did with your video and this thread was not to actually discredit a true whistleblower and hero, but instead you discredited yourself. You really jumped the shark on this one, Joe.

I will PM you so that you know that I have posted the truth about Phil Schneider on your thread. I am hoping that you will take down your fear-based, debunking video and this thread and apologize for invalidating a true American hero and whistleblower. Will you have the courage to publicly do that--the same kind of courage that Phil Schneider had?

And May The Truth Set Us Free,

Truman L. Cash

[KiwiElf]

Earlier thread for reference: ;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31294-EPITAPH-The-Phil-Schneider-Story

[Bill Ryan]

I find it very sad that you have chosen to side with "US Government" propaganda over actually doing some hands on research before making YouTube videos about Phil Schneider.

A brief clarifying comment here, if I may. :flower: Posting an FBI report isn't 'siding with the US government'. It's an FBI report. It's just data. We need all the documentation we can find or obtain when seeking to better understand claims like this. And of course, that applies to many others, as well.


I am hoping that you will take down your fear-based, debunking video and this thread and apologize for invalidating a true American hero and whistleblower. Will you have the courage to publicly do that--the same kind of courage that Phil Schneider had?

But why would you ask anyone to take down an FBI report, thereby denying other researchers the information?

You can, of course, voice the opinion (if this is your opinion: I'm purely guessing) that the report is fabricated, a smear, or in some other way spurious and not to be trusted. But it has to still stand as an on-record document. Don't you agree?

[ichingcarpenter]

Joe.... good follow up and yes his medical record is important

I wonder why nobody ever did a FOIA request before on Phil as far as we know. When Phil broke into the scene at conferences the internet data base was in its infancy so research back then was also limited.

Now you can go to a site and get a list of all the U boat commanders in WW2.......... guess what? ....... Phil's dad is not on the list
Don't tell me this was a German conspiracy of keeping his dad off the list and his Dad's history was an important part of his story

All U boat commanders in ww2 linked to the letter S

https://uboat.net/men/commanders/s.htm

There are people so addicted to exaggeration they can't tell the truth without lying.

Phil Schneider also said his Dad, Oscar (the uboat captain that doesn't exist) developed the high speed camera that was used to first film the A bomb. The rapatronic camera (a portmanteau of rapid action electronic) is a high-speed camera capable of recording a still image with an exposure time as brief as 10 nanoseconds.

The camera was developed by Harold Edgerton in the 1940s and was first used to photograph the rapidly changing matter in nuclear explosions within milliseconds of detonation, using exposures of several microseconds.[1] To overcome the speed limitation of a conventional camera's mechanical shutter, the rapatronic camera uses two polarizing filters and a Faraday cell (or in some variants a Kerr cell)

In 1940, a patent was filed by Cearcy D. Miller for the rotating mirror camera, theoretically capable of one million frames per second. The first practical application of this idea was during the Manhattan Project, when Berlin Brixner, the photographic technician on the project, built the first known fully functional rotating mirror camera. This camera was used to photograph early prototypes of the first nuclear bomb, and resolved a key technical issue about the shape and speed of the implosion,[which?] that had been the source of an active dispute between the explosives engineers and the physics theoreticians.




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Tumbler_Snapper_rope_tricks.jpg

Nuclear explosion photographed by rapatronic camera less than 1 millisecond after detonation. From the Tumbler-Snapper test series in Nevada, 1952. The fireball is about 20 meters in diameter in this shot. The spikes at the bottom of the fireball are known as the rope trick effect.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_photography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapatronic_camera

Oscar is never mentioned in any of this so I guess history lied and not Phil?......... well alrighty then

[TrumanCash]

Bill, my point is that one cannot simply accept "US Government" or "FBI" "documents" as fact because we know that we cannot trust anything from the "US Government" because they are directly involved with covering up there involvement with Grays and other negative ETs. I have seen this with my own eyes and was also threatened by the "US Government". I will not give the exact location of that base because I don't want to wind up like Phil Schneider. (There are also potential legal liabilities because one has to cross private land and trespass to get to it.)

I have not asked anyone to take down the "FBI report". In fact, I want people to see what lengths the so-called "US Government" and the "FBI" will go to discredit whistleblowers. That document is not evidence of who Phil Schneider was, but it is evidence of the government corruption to silence people like Phil and I who are exposing government's involvement with negative ETs.

Phil Schneider certainly isn't the only person that has been falsely discredited by the "US Government" for telling the truth about "US Government" and "FBI" corruption. That was also my point. People who have been paying attention already know this. It is my understanding that even polls show the American people do not generally trust the government. What about 911? What about the fake terrorist attacks that the FBI stages? What about the assassination and cover up of JFK? Do I need to continue to cite more examples?

I was asking that the video be taken down because it has no basis in reality. I object to anyone interpreting the FBI report as having any validity since the "US Government"/"FBI" were actually involved in murdering Phil Schneider. Of course they are going to manufacture fake "evidence" to discredit Phil because the "US Government" does not want people knowing about their involvement with Grays and other negative ETs.

I actually handled the evidence that Phil had and I did not get radiation sickness! In fact I was sitting by Phil's case for about three hours. I do not glow in the dark, lol! This is absurd to come to that conclusion and engage in such fear mongering.

Also, discrediting abductees and whistleblowers like Phil Schneider only muddies the already muddied waters and discourages abductees and contactees from going public about their experiences.

Also, DNA posted Phil Schneider ex-wife's declaration which validates Phil and reveals that the "US Government's" fake documents and narrative are false. The fact that the only things stolen from Phil's home after they finally murdered him (after thirteen previous attempts) were the evidence that Phil had that exposed the "US Government's" cover up. This is the evidence that I personally handled which very few people have been allowed to do. I was a firsthand witness to this.

Phil and I have some things in common as well. I was also blasted by a weapon of the Grays. It was a different weapon and it was on board a flying saucer. It did not kill me but it was like a lightning bolt that hit me and knocked me to the floor and into a deep state of unconsciousness so that they could implant me with another one of those insidious brain implants. When I awoke the following morning I can say without reservation that that was the worst morning of my life! It felt like I was run over by truck!

I had another bad morning over ten years ago after I googled the location of that deep underground base entrance with Google maps. I discovered the hard way that they monitor people who get too close to their secret underground base entrances with their Google searches.

Also, like Phil I have been inside a deep underground base. I have seen US military personnel working side by side with Grays. Just like Phil I felt it was my duty to report this to the world. It is understandable that the violent, fascist "US Government" would do everything possible to discredit what Phil was saying and murder him. It is not acceptable to me, however, that the common people would gang up on him to discredit him using obviously fake documents from the same "FBI" that was trying to kill him. I would not be at all surprised if there are also other fake documents--mental hospital reports, etc--that have been manufactured to discredit Phil.

What I also find laughable is the belief by many people that we need to have "US Government" disclosure of the UFO/ET phenomenon. After having been abducted twice into a deep underground base I know for a fact that the "US Government" is NOT going to tell you the truth. But Phil Schneider and I know what the truth is. Perhaps the general public doesn't deserve to know the truth. At this point in my life I certainly don't recommend that any abductee or contactee go public about their experiences. It's just not worth it.

No one has to "believe" Phil or me. In fact, Phil always used to tell people to put their "skepticals" on (combining the word skeptical with spectacles). In other words, using discernment. Certainly we can discern to what lengths the US government will go to cover up their crimes against humanity.

I certainly don't want people to just believe me--I encourage them to do the same research that I did and using the same memory retrieval techniques that I used to validate the research that I documented in my two books. So far no one has done that. It seems we live in a spectator world where people don't want to actually participate in doing real research to discover the truth of things.

I don't expect that people should believe us--But a little appreciation for the risks we take in imparting our information to the public might be more appropriate. If the "US Government" wasn't so goddamn corrupt and dangerous we wouldn't have these risks to consider.

[Bill Ryan]

Hello, All — my thanks to everyone here for a really interesting discussion. I never knew about the high-speed camera! (And I'd never heard the word 'rapatronic' before. :) )

Interestingly, that dovetails into some info that Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) told us when he said that analysis of those split-second A-bomb images showed something happening in another dimension. See this 2006 Camelot page for a little more.


http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist.html

Just briefly, Henry had told us:

~~~




Henry Deacon: The problem is that all extremely high-energy events like this create rips in the fabric of spacetime. This was observed back in the early Hiroshima and Nagasaki events, and you can even see it in the old movies. Look for what looks like an expanding energy sphere, and I can send you a link to show you. The problem with creating rips in spacetime, whether they're big or little, is that things get in that you don’t want to be there.

http://projectavalon.net/A-bomb_photos.jpg
But that's all another subject, and maybe deserves a thread of its own!

:focus:

Re Phil Schneider, this whole discussion and sharing of information is really interesting, and arguably important for all to read and consider. @TrumanCash, I really appreciate all the personal perspectives you've shared here.

I entirely agree (of course!) that not all apparently formal US documents can be automatically assumed to be legitimate. I think most reading this would see it the same way.

We all know how deep the deception can go, even to the extent of removing [almost all of] Bob Lazar's education history from existence. (Kudos to Jeremy Corbell for digging deep and finding some of it after all.) And a side note, also: the same thing, regarding education record removal, seems to have happened to Dan Burisch, another highly complicated and intricate story which many are still debating to this day.

So I'll not offer any personal judgments here, but (again) I'm grateful to everyone for putting the various jigsaw pieces on the table. That's something I think we do really well here at Avalon, and we truly do all this together.

:highfive:

[Hervé]

... I guess that the scrubbing clean of some records might have been a precursor of the waves of "Mandela Effect" the current technology is able to achieve:

According to Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.wn6.html):
To be clear, (because I noticed people are not understanding this in forums and blogs -

Wikileaks did not expose that the Gettysburg address was changed.

The point I am making is that the deep fakes are so real, the tech left changed the Gettysburg Address and it was done in a very convincing way. If they can be that convincing with a historic document, where even old photos have had the text changed, there's no question they can totally fake Assange now, especially if they are audacious enough to mess with such a well known historic document.

They were not complete in their purge of the Gettysburg Address, Johnny Cash preserved the original and you can damn well bet he did not get it wrong

. UPDATE TO BELOW:
I discussed the topic of the Gettysburg address being changed with Claudia and how the revisionists were first noticed when they claimed Nelson Mandela was still alive (after everyone knew he died in prison) and as it turns out, Mexicans all know he died in prison long long ago and this hoax "Mandela effect" never happened in Mexico. It appears that it is all a stunt the tech left is pulling to re-write the history of Western civilization, even despite it all remaining intact in countries like Mexico. Claudia said they would never get away with it in Mexico because the old books are kept by everyone and not thrown away.

I am not so sure this will work for them long term, but for now, the "Mandela effect" is not happening in Mexico, at least not as much. FOLKS, THE SCAMMING TECH LEFT HAS CHANGED THE GETTYSBURG ADDRESS. It is now Four score and seven years ago our fathers!

The tech left has replaced "forefathers" with "fathers" (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Gettysburg+address&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fspl225.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F11%2Fgettysburg-address.jpg) and have obviously employed supercomputers to comb every record everyone has and change it to fathers, including photos people have, even private personal photos. There is now NO QUESTION AT ALL that's what operating system updates are really doing, they are going into everyone's photos and documents and changing what is there to match the new narrative, whatever it happens to be. If this is hard for you to believe, go check the Gettysburg Address on all sites that claim to be for "history", even the photos, and see for yourself.

There's no other way this historic document could have been purged so well, and so completely, and the quality of the hoaxing of photos is so high there's now reason to believe Julian Assange is in fact dead and they are hoaxing even him.

It might be hard to believe you did not remember the Gettysburg Address wrong after bathing in 500 photos "proving" you remembered it wrong but I found proof you did not remember it wrong. As it turns out, Johnny Cash put it to music. Since the revisionist AI was not set to hunt out music and destroy even that, it stayed preserved via Johnny Cash. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hYZFUsOuw)

Their revisionist AI made a fatal screw up and I found it there. It can be assumed that the AI will change that Johnny Cash tune as soon as the tech left figures out it was preserved there, but I checked again this morning and it was still legit and also saved it. It is evident now that saving it on a computer will not be good enough however, the AI will find it's way in and wipe it out. This is obviously what all those huge supercomputers are at least in part, really for.

If you still have those old encyclopedias, or there is a set you can go get, DO IT, AND GUARD IT WITH YOUR LIFE. Believe nothing, the tech left is clearly hell bent on destroying true history.

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Anyone recalls that video of Trump being "modified" in real time rendering a completely different version of the real event?

The end result is: What/Who can one really trust nowadays?

Once the distrust is achieved, then one can only trust oneself with one's data and there is no-one else one can trust to share it with... a very sad state of affair. A total, complete chaos of confusions.

Think of it... when Google can generate some millions of returns in a few milliseconds... what can be done with these search results in less than a few minutes... ?
"What do you mean 'The Constitution'?... It never existed... check it out... you won't be able to find it anywhere!"

[Intranuclear]

The problem I see in figuring out "the truth" is simply the amount and quality of information. There is simply too much information and this causes a simple and inescapable problem. Since we only process a microscopic amount of timed events and that everyone process a completely different set of events, every one draws different conclusions or truths. Even if you research every single event, it is not like everyone has access to a time machine to actually verify everything. Most people who have neither the access nor the capability to do proper research, end up overwhelmed and simply tired and accept a more Occam's Razor approach (which is total BS).
Also trust takes time. The fact that the US government or really every single government (no exceptions) cannot be trusted at all, makes things even more difficult.
People have families to protect and there is too much moneys and resources involved to fight against all the time.
Sad but too true.

As far as high speed cameras, the current known record as of last year is 10 trillion frames per second (10,000,000,000,000)
https://petapixel.com/2018/10/15/the-worlds-fastest-camera-can-shoot-10-trillion-frames-per-second/

Interestingly, only the year before that the record was 5 trillion frames per second, and in 2011 it was only 1 trillion frames per second.
Of course this is a speedup of at least 10,000 times from the earlier years and the progression will obviously continue.

As for atomic explosions affecting other dimensions, well, it has been mathematically theorized for quite some time that neutrinos oscillate through other dimensions as they travel: https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.96.095014

The sun of course creates an uncountable number of neutrinos per second and a nuclear explosion is like a momentary sun (releasing also uncountable number of neutrinos) so one can easily imagine that in other dimensions, a nuclear explosions would show up like a momentary sun and and depending of its location can have adverse effects to those occupying those places.

Because we don't yet have readily available instrumentation (except the mind/brain) to probe these other dimensions, we have at best a mathematical model to explain the behavior of observed particles.
Again, this is also a matter of time, assuming we have it of course.

Meanwhile we are left with the dilemma of deciding which truths to explore/accept/believe. Again, a matter of time.

If humanity can survive the constant barrage of asteroids, comets, solar flares, aliens, or the even the more prevalent fact of humans making even more "wonderfully" destructive nuclear or biological weapons, not to mention genetic re-engineering of us or our animals: (Chinese scientists put human brain DNA into monkeys)
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613277/chinese-scientists-have-put-human-brain-genes-in-monkeysand-yes-they-may-be-smarter/
... God only knows (maybe) where we will end up 100 years from now.

[Valerie Villars]

... I guess that the scrubbing clean of some records might have been a precursor of the waves of "Mandela Effect" the current technology is able to achieve:

According to Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.wn6.html):
To be clear, (because I noticed people are not understanding this in forums and blogs -

Wikileaks did not expose that the Gettysburg address was changed.

The point I am making is that the deep fakes are so real, the tech left changed the Gettysburg Address and it was done in a very convincing way. If they can be that convincing with a historic document, where even old photos have had the text changed, there's no question they can totally fake Assange now, especially if they are audacious enough to mess with such a well known historic document.

They were not complete in their purge of the Gettysburg Address, Johnny Cash preserved the original and you can damn well bet he did not get it wrong

. UPDATE TO BELOW:
I discussed the topic of the Gettysburg address being changed with Claudia and how the revisionists were first noticed when they claimed Nelson Mandela was still alive (after everyone knew he died in prison) and as it turns out, Mexicans all know he died in prison long long ago and this hoax "Mandela effect" never happened in Mexico. It appears that it is all a stunt the tech left is pulling to re-write the history of Western civilization, even despite it all remaining intact in countries like Mexico. Claudia said they would never get away with it in Mexico because the old books are kept by everyone and not thrown away.

I am not so sure this will work for them long term, but for now, the "Mandela effect" is not happening in Mexico, at least not as much. FOLKS, THE SCAMMING TECH LEFT HAS CHANGED THE GETTYSBURG ADDRESS. It is now Four score and seven years ago our fathers!

The tech left has replaced "forefathers" with "fathers" (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Gettysburg+address&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fspl225.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F11%2Fgettysburg-address.jpg) and have obviously employed supercomputers to comb every record everyone has and change it to fathers, including photos people have, even private personal photos. There is now NO QUESTION AT ALL that's what operating system updates are really doing, they are going into everyone's photos and documents and changing what is there to match the new narrative, whatever it happens to be. If this is hard for you to believe, go check the Gettysburg Address on all sites that claim to be for "history", even the photos, and see for yourself.

There's no other way this historic document could have been purged so well, and so completely, and the quality of the hoaxing of photos is so high there's now reason to believe Julian Assange is in fact dead and they are hoaxing even him.

It might be hard to believe you did not remember the Gettysburg Address wrong after bathing in 500 photos "proving" you remembered it wrong but I found proof you did not remember it wrong. As it turns out, Johnny Cash put it to music. Since the revisionist AI was not set to hunt out music and destroy even that, it stayed preserved via Johnny Cash. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hYZFUsOuw)

Their revisionist AI made a fatal screw up and I found it there. It can be assumed that the AI will change that Johnny Cash tune as soon as the tech left figures out it was preserved there, but I checked again this morning and it was still legit and also saved it. It is evident now that saving it on a computer will not be good enough however, the AI will find it's way in and wipe it out. This is obviously what all those huge supercomputers are at least in part, really for.

If you still have those old encyclopedias, or there is a set you can go get, DO IT, AND GUARD IT WITH YOUR LIFE. Believe nothing, the tech left is clearly hell bent on destroying true history.

=============================================

Anyone recalls that video of Trump being "modified" in real time rendering a completely different version of the real event?

The end result is: What/Who can one really trust nowadays?

Once the distrust is achieved, then one can only trust oneself with one's data and there is no-one else one can trust to share it with... a very sad state of affair. A total, complete chaos of confusions.

Think of it... when Google can generate some millions of returns in a few milliseconds... what can be done with these search results in less than a few minutes... ?
"What do you mean 'The Constitution'?... It never existed... check it out... you won't be able to find it anywhere!"

Regarding Herve's post above, for the sake of accuracy, I pulled out my copy of "Review Text In United States History", last revised in 1973 but originally published in 1966. I have had it since 7th grade.

There is only the beginning and end of the Gettysburg Address and the version I am looking at says "Our fathers bought forth on this continent......" etc.

I have many, many very old books, much older than this one.

The beginning of the Gettysburg Address as printed in the book reads as follows:


Our fathers bought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal:focus:

[Denise/Dizi]

Bill, my point is that one cannot simply accept "US Government" or "FBI" "documents" as fact because we know that we cannot trust anything from the "US Government" because they are directly involved with covering up there involvement with Grays and other negative ETs. I have seen this with my own eyes and was also threatened by the "US Government". I will not give the exact location of that base because I don't want to wind up like Phil Schneider. (There are also potential legal liabilities because one has to cross private land and trespass to get to it.)

I have not asked anyone to take down the "FBI report". In fact, I want people to see what lengths the so-called "US Government" and the "FBI" will go to discredit whistleblowers. That document is not evidence of who Phil Schneider was, but it is evidence of the government corruption to silence people like Phil and I who are exposing government's involvement with negative ETs.

Phil Schneider certainly isn't the only person that has been falsely discredited by the "US Government" for telling the truth about "US Government" and "FBI" corruption. That was also my point. People who have been paying attention already know this. It is my understanding that even polls show the American people do not generally trust the government. What about 911? What about the fake terrorist attacks that the FBI stages? What about the assassination and cover up of JFK? Do I need to continue to cite more examples?

I was asking that the video be taken down because it has no basis in reality. I object to anyone interpreting the FBI report as having any validity since the "US Government"/"FBI" were actually involved in murdering Phil Schneider. Of course they are going to manufacture fake "evidence" to discredit Phil because the "US Government" does not want people knowing about their involvement with Grays and other negative ETs.

I actually handled the evidence that Phil had and I did not get radiation sickness! In fact I was sitting by Phil's case for about three hours. I do not glow in the dark, lol! This is absurd to come to that conclusion and engage in such fear mongering.

Also, discrediting abductees and whistleblowers like Phil Schneider only muddies the already muddied waters and discourages abductees and contactees from going public about their experiences.

Also, DNA posted Phil Schneider ex-wife's declaration which validates Phil and reveals that the "US Government's" fake documents and narrative are false. The fact that the only things stolen from Phil's home after they finally murdered him (after thirteen previous attempts) were the evidence that Phil had that exposed the "US Government's" cover up. This is the evidence that I personally handled which very few people have been allowed to do. I was a firsthand witness to this.

Phil and I have some things in common as well. I was also blasted by a weapon of the Grays. It was a different weapon and it was on board a flying saucer. It did not kill me but it was like a lightning bolt that hit me and knocked me to the floor and into a deep state of unconsciousness so that they could implant me with another one of those insidious brain implants. When I awoke the following morning I can say without reservation that that was the worst morning of my life! It felt like I was run over by truck!

I had another bad morning over ten years ago after I googled the location of that deep underground base entrance with Google maps. I discovered the hard way that they monitor people who get too close to their secret underground base entrances with their Google searches.

Also, like Phil I have been inside a deep underground base. I have seen US military personnel working side by side with Grays. Just like Phil I felt it was my duty to report this to the world. It is understandable that the violent, fascist "US Government" would do everything possible to discredit what Phil was saying and murder him. It is not acceptable to me, however, that the common people would gang up on him to discredit him using obviously fake documents from the same "FBI" that was trying to kill him. I would not be at all surprised if there are also other fake documents--mental hospital reports, etc--that have been manufactured to discredit Phil.

What I also find laughable is the belief by many people that we need to have "US Government" disclosure of the UFO/ET phenomenon. After having been abducted twice into a deep underground base I know for a fact that the "US Government" is NOT going to tell you the truth. But Phil Schneider and I know what the truth is. Perhaps the general public doesn't deserve to know the truth. At this point in my life I certainly don't recommend that any abductee or contactee go public about their experiences. It's just not worth it.

No one has to "believe" Phil or me. In fact, Phil always used to tell people to put their "skepticals" on (combining the word skeptical with spectacles). In other words, using discernment. Certainly we can discern to what lengths the US government will go to cover up their crimes against humanity.

I certainly don't want people to just believe me--I encourage them to do the same research that I did and using the same memory retrieval techniques that I used to validate the research that I documented in my two books. So far no one has done that. It seems we live in a spectator world where people don't want to actually participate in doing real research to discover the truth of things.

I don't expect that people should believe us--But a little appreciation for the risks we take in imparting our information to the public might be more appropriate. If the "US Government" wasn't so goddamn corrupt and dangerous we wouldn't have these risks to consider.


This is important in that it speaks to the truth and the exclusion of opinions.. As really we're sharing what we have FOUND, or our opinions based upon our experiences... not what we KNOW...

I think that Bill brings up some very good points here. In my opinion, the site is here to openly engage in conversation, about what we believe that it is we are getting, from any one agency or source, as well as the general opinions of those openly discussing such things... and I celebrate the differences of opinions. THIS is how I see Avalon.. Yet I am sure many others see it another way entirely...

I see Avalon as the comparison to the "Elephant in the room", where people are blindfolded, each touching a different part of the elephant and being asked to describe it... Avalon in unique in that rather than everyone assuming they KNOW, they SHARE what they felt, and as such we get a better picture of what that elephant truly looks like.... And we are the better for having that.. If we remove one person's assessment, we may miss the "TRUNK". So leaving both yours AND Joe's posts are entirely appropriate..

It is crucial that we engage without exclusion, whenever possible... When people begin to get EDITED OUT merely because one person does not agree, is a mistake. It would steer a narrative. You have made rebuttals and those that needed to hear it, now have your reasons for doing so, Thank You for that!

I think we would be making a grave mistake, by expecting one person to remove something and apologize for being wrong, merely because it doesn't jive with the personal opinions of another. When we lose focus of ALL perspectives, we tend to get tunnel vision and we believe that we know the truth.

There will be those that believe everything the government puts out, those that absolutely will never believe that, and those in the middle that listen to all sides objectively, and try to navigate the arena with an open mind, not trying to "Land" on any one conclusion. I am one of those, because all too often I have found that I was wrong in doing so.. So I wiped off my ego, and admitted to myself I couldn't know for sure unless I was actually THERE...

Truly what else do we have? We agree to disagree and we move on.. I appreciate that .. So I hope that even though you and Joe do not agree on Phil's information and his circumstances, that you would agree, we AREN'T getting the full truth.. And as such all perspective's then become EXTREMELY important to the whole.. I respect Avalon for doing that.. And I hope that you do continuing to share your support of Phil's work. It will fall onto the ears of those that need to hear it.

I am going to miss you Truman..

[mojo]

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There are certainly enough debunks on the forum about people with outlandish tales, but there are truly some awesome testimonies like Phil. Phillip Schneider's personal testimony plus solid evidence presented in film and to others is very good but it latter disappears. A lot of people claim he was murdered. IMO he is a true HERO and his story should always be remembered. These many years later deep underground bases are still an unanswered question to many people. Today we a have some hindsight and can look back at how our government/ political leaders have done some bad things including ordering 187s and UFOs are still somewhat classified. One day Phillip will receive full honors that he deserves.