Healing Help Please

[Valerie Villars]

My horse is my heart. She coughed for a couple of mornings but has no fever or other signs of distress, except that her breathing is labored.

Of course I called the vet on Friday who couldn't find any obvious signs of the problem but agreed she is breathing too rapidly. The vet took blood and I am waiting to hear back from her, but in the meantime are there any sensitives out there who would have any insight into what is bothering her?

It is very distressing to me and I am really concerned about her. I wouldn't ask but it hurts me to see her not feeling well. Obviously, she can't tell me what is wrong.

Can anyone get a feel for what is wrong with her? Her name is Frysta. She's a small, chestnut mare.

[Foxie Loxie]

So sorry to hear about Frysta's health! Hope someone can give some insight! :heart:

[norman]

Has anything ( at all ) changed in her life recently ?

[petra]

Maybe she just has a little cold. I have a cold right now, and these symptoms sound kind of like me :P :)

[Valerie Villars]

Nothing's changed. It's just been ungodly hot. She's such a beautiful creature and I just hate to see her laboring.

If she does have a cold, hopefully the blood test will show it. It's just when horses having breathing problems, unless it's diagnosed and taken care of quickly, it can lead to a condition know as heaves, which is like COPD in people. It's potentially permanent.

I have my fingers crossed.

[Foxie Loxie]

We'll cross our fingers too! :bearhug:

[Bayareamom]

Valerie, I was thinking that perhaps this MAY be a heart issue of some sort, and then I read this in your next comment, "which is like COPD in people,"...

Has her heart been checked? Could she at all have some sort of viral condition, as of yet unchecked, which may be heart related?

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Bayareamom. I'm waiting on the results of blood work the vet took. Thank you all for your caring.

[Daozen]

I have not used any etheric insight to get this answer:

Iodine, High dose Vit C, Wheatgrass and and maybe magnesium should be the first line medicines for almost any condition. Lugol's can be ordered online.

Vit C for horses:

https://www.horseandpethealth.com/about-natural-supplements/vitamin-c-horses/

Here's Dr Schulze on healing horses:

http://racehorseherbal.net/schulze.html


But the vet said that there wasn't time to do that, and that the horse was dead. I looked at the horse and even her gums were white.There was no blood in her gums. It was in shock and it was hardly breathing. The lady was crying and screaming, asking if I could do anything. I asked how I could get herbs in it. The vet said the only way to get herbs in a horse is to put a tube down its throat or through its nose into its stomach and pour them through a funnel. I said, "If I mix something up will you give it to the horse?" He said, "But it is dead, why torture it?" The lady said "You do what he says!!" So I reached down and got a gallon of warm water. The first thing I did was grab a handful of cayenne pepper and the vet grabbed my arm and said, "What are you doing? That is hot chilli pepper." I said, "Yeah, it is cayenne pepper and it stimulates the digestion, probably faster than anything." But the vet said, "You are going to kill this horse." I said, "Wait a minute, you just told me that this horse is dead," and so he let go and I threw it in and just to spite him I grabbed another whole handful of cayenne and threw it in this bucket of water, I threw in aloes, I threw in cascara, I threw in senna, the vet was absolutely freaked out. I mixed up this warm mixture of brown, red herbs. He tubed the horse, and we funneled it down. He said, "You know, the horse is dead, don't torture it any more." I then got over on the horse and I got my elbow and my knee into its guts and started giving it a gut massage. Well, I did that for about five minutes and walked out of the stall, and as I was talking with the vet and the woman was crying, we looked and the horse was up in his stall. He had leaped up back onto his feet, but his side was cut from trying to kick himself, because it was in so much abdominal pain. It leaped back up on its feet and was standing in its stall. It's gums were red and the vet said "I don't think it is going to live, but I think it's out of shock, so now would be a good time to kill it."

[Bayareamom]

Will keep her in my thoughts/prayers, Valerie. Please keep us posted. I can tell you love her very much...

[Franny]

Keeping your sweet horse in my prayers :heart:

[Valerie Villars]

Thank you. She really is one of the sweetest animals in the world and she save(s)d my life so many times. Every day in fact.

[Limor Wolf]

My horse is my heart.

she can't tell me what is wrong.

Can anyone get a feel for what is wrong with her? Her name is Frysta. She's a small, chestnut mare.

Yes, but what comes up, Valerie, is that you can do it yourself, you have the bond with Frysta and you both may be gifted by deepening your connection and healing each other's aspects.. that is not to discount any vet's assistance, but you are meant to know that you are capable to connect this way, Valerie, and 'see' that what's bothers Frysta is possible to be healed and released, combining both your attention to one another - you and her are the healers - a sign of our times... !

I do not know if you are interested, but please check this method, Valerie. At 'worse' it may calm you down, at best, it is to reveal your own capabilities to perceive what's going on and to allow her the letting go. Apparently we share many of our senses and feelings with animals, most of all with our beloved ones -

The Trust technique


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnV5IIRvUNk&t=1s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDioO6-Trdg&t=1s

I recently attended their workshop in British Colombia, Canada, it is wonderfully opening many beautiful insights on how this non intermediation connection is our natural inherent

With greatest care and many blessings to you both ~

Limor

[Tomkoyote]

Valerie:
Do you have access to Sodium Chlorite and HCL (MMS)?

[Valerie Villars]

I am embarrassed to say I don't know what either of those things are Tom.

To Daozen, she has a Himalayan salt block at all times which she loves. It's got iodine, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, sulfer, iron, copper, zinc and of course, salt.

I just talked the vet. The bloodwork should be back tomorrow and the vet said to just try and keep her as cool as possible in this heat. I also went and bought better quality hay than I usually get (she's on pasture and gets carrots, alfalfa and grain in the morning) just to keep her in the stable in front of the fan and to keep her happy. She loves to eat more than any horse I know.

Limor, you're post was the sweetest thing in the world. I'm going to watch the videos right now.

Here she is with the lady who raised her.

SWcise6Qnn0

[Cardillac]

@Valerie there is also the Bemer system (Bemer stands for bio-electromagnectic energy regulation) that is not only available to humans but to animals as well- also to horses)-

the Bemer device targets micro-circulation (the capilaries- frees them up) to allow more blood circulation to heal the body- my friend Irene cured herself of MS (took 1 yr.) using Bemer because clogged capilaries decrease the flow of blood to the nerves which causes them to harden/die off- her neurologist is baffled (any wonder?)

I've been using the Bemer for almost 4 months now and it has been inhibiting the farther growth of varicose veins on my right leg;

I've been considering starting a thread on this subject but my computer skills are so limited that I can't provide more than one computer link in a posting;

but I believe one can start here:

www.Bemer.com

Larry

[Valerie Villars]

Larry, you are cracking me up. It's a link to a BMW website. So, if I buy a Beamer, all will be well? :bigsmile:

[ichingcarpenter]

Are you out in the stall with your horse typing all this?
Gotta to know where to send the good vibes

[Tomkoyote]

Don't be. Few people know.

In this case I would suggest Calcium Hypochlorite which is much easier to get but a bit harder to administer.
Don't freak out at the protocol; it looks weird but 100% safe and very effective if administered properly. I take Cal Hypo every morning, so does my wife, so do tons of people around the world.
Go to a Pool store or hardware store get a small bag (1Lb) of "pool shock". The crucial detail is read the composition. The main ingredient must be Calcium Hypochlorite followed by a %. The % should be at least 65% or more; 70% is better, 78% is even better. The 65% will do the job fine.
Make sure it is not Sodium Hypo, and there is no sodium hypo; must be Calcium Hypo.
How to administer:

Option_1 (best) - fill 15-20 capsules size 00 (double zero) with the granules. Keep them in a dry place.
Dosage: 1 capsule for each 300 pounds of body weight every 2 to 2 1/2 hrs; it does have to be exact.
For expl if your horse weighs 1000 Lb give 3 capsules every 2 to 2.30 hrs. Maximum 5 doses a day (ie 15 caps/day), preferably away from food/empty stomach.
Push the capsule down her throat and poor water and get her to swallow; make sure she does not chew the capsules.

Option_2: empty 3 capsules in 1liter/2pints of water mix well and try to get her to drink it. Even if she drinks just part of it, it's better than nothing.

Even if she takes only 3 doses a day instead of 5, it's better than nothing. Even 2 capsules per dose is better than nothing.

This is very effective against bacteria/virus/poison which is likely the case.
Note: some of these ailments do not show in blood tests.

[Valerie Villars]

Oh my gosh. You all are so wonderful. Tomkoyote, are you sure it's safe for horses?

Iching, I am outside as much as possible, always looking at the horses, but I am going to have a walk over there right now. Thank you.

[thepainterdoug]

Dear Valerie / I can't help but to wish your beautiful horse the very best recovery, and peace of mind to you

[RunningDeer]

Frysta is beautiful.http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-in-hug.gif The videos above were relaxing to watch and inspirational.


https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif

That's a link to a car dealership. Some places to begin the Bemer system research:

BEMER Group (by region) (https://www.bemergroup.com)
Treatment system, i.e. the science (https://www.bemer.ag/en/science)
BEMER Veterinary Line (https://veterinary.bemergroup.com/veterinary/en_US)



@Valerie there is also the Bemer system (Bemer stands for bio-electromagnectic energy regulation) that is not only available to humans but to animals as well- also to horses)-

the Bemer device targets micro-circulation (the capilaries- frees them up) to allow more blood circulation to heal the body- my friend Irene cured herself of MS (took 1 yr.) using Bemer because clogged capilaries decrease the flow of blood to the nerves which causes them to harden/die off- her neurologist is baffled (any wonder?)

I've been using the Bemer for almost 4 months now and it has been inhibiting the farther growth of varicose veins on my right leg;

I've been considering starting a thread on this subject but my computer skills are so limited that I can't provide more than one computer link in a posting;

but I believe one can start here:

www.Bemer.com

Larry

[Valerie Villars]

Frysta says thank you to you all.

To add: I am the best person you ever want to see in a pinch and in other situations where people would freeze.

But, I'm not too great when it's someone I have a very deep relationship with. So, next time you're hanging off a cliff, pray I'm there.

[Tomkoyote]

Yes it is 100% safe as long as you don't outrageously exceed the above dosage. I have been taking cal hypo almost every day for a few years now, I am still around. The only inconvenience is how to administer it to an animal, it is easy for humans but inconvenient for animals. Sodium Chlorite (MMS) is much easier, you put a nbr of drops in a cup of water and pour it down her throat.
Don't share this protocol with any vet or he will question your sanity, all they know is expensive phama drugs.

[AutumnW]

Valerie, I was thinking that perhaps this MAY be a heart issue of some sort, and then I read this in your next comment, "which is like COPD in people,"...

Has her heart been checked? Could she at all have some sort of viral condition, as of yet unchecked, which may be heart related?

Same. My dog has symptoms like this from enlarged heart but seems more like viral infection if it came on quickly. The doctor will likely administer antibiotics as a prophylactic to keep it from progressing.

[Valerie Villars]

Autumn, that is so weird you said that just now. I just realized she's got some kind of a virus. I don't know why it hit me. We'll find out tomorrow. If not definitive, I'm looking into Tomkoyote's suggestion.

[AutumnW]

Valerie, With all due respect to Tommy, best stick with traditional meds, in the event it's an emergency. Then, IMHO, when your horse's condition is stable, try something new.

[Valerie Villars]

Larry, I do want to thank you for that info. I believe very much in holistic medicine for my horse and have used it successfully in the past when she had a torn ligament.

She's coughing again this morning and her temp was up last night.

The bloodwork is supposed to come back today, so hopefully we can find some relief for her and get her back on the mend.

[Cardillac]

sorry @Valerie

here is the correct link:

www.bemergroup.com

[Valerie Villars]

We got her bloodwork back today. She has four slightly high readings and one elevated (Plasma protein) levels in her blood, indicating a bacterial infection, probably bought on by an allergic reaction to something in this hot Louisiana climate.

I have to mix the powder with molasses to get her to eat it, which is very messy and then she blew half of the very expensive powder out of the pan when she exhaled.

Horses. You gotta love them. Thank all of you for the lovely care and attention you gave me and her. Here's to health.

[AutumnW]

You must be relieved to have some answers now, Valerie! Hurts to see animals in pain!

[Valerie Villars]

Frysta has been on antibiotics since Tuesday. Last night I believe she made a major breakthrough on the infection. Her sweat was cool to the touch, but what really made me think she is on the mend is this; while she always drinks water, she walked over to the trough and literally sucked in water for ten minutes. I couldn't believe it. I've never seen a horse do that.

She is still breathing a bit too rapidly though. When the vet comes out on Tuesday and pulls more blood, we'll know more. She may be in the beginning stages of heaves, which is like a person's version of COPD, bought on by airborne allergens. It's actually fairly common (the allergic reaction manifesting in the lung passageways) in horses, but still not a good thing.

[Bayareamom]

Huge hugs to both you and Frysta, Valerie! Will keep you both in my prayers...

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Energy sent using Matrix Energetics. I could feel some energy flow.

[spade]

Valerie, I just came across your thread, and I recall Dr Daniels saying "Biotics" means "Life" therefore : Anti-biotics = go figure.

She has also recommended this product for animals as well as all of us, and it works wonders. It's specifically for horses.

https://pinee.net/

But I'll tell you another secret - it's also known as 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine.

She recommends rubbing it on the belly of ill dogs. Perhaps that would be how it works for a horse as well?

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks spade. It's amazing how many natural products are out there that we never know about.

Frysta is even better this morning. Her breathing is not as labored or as quick. Keeping my fingers crossed. She's been on anti-biotics for six days now. Funny you should mention biotics meaning.

I also put pro-biotics in their water, which is for healthy gut bacteria. :heart:

[norski]

Dear Valerie,

I hope Frysta is continuing to improve. I don’t have much to add to all of he wonderful information previously posted; however, I thought I would add this article from the Merck Veterinary Manual. I’ve been heavily involved in cat, dog and horse rescue my entire life and have relied on this manual quite a bit. One other thing I will add is that, over the last few years, I’ve seen a significant increase in fungal respiratory infections, especially in moist areas. It’s important to keep her space as dry as you can. We use “Rescue” veterinary disinfect which is very good for addressing fungi. A bacterial infection can easily be a secondary infection to a viral or fungal infections, which are difficult to identify in blood work. I will keep you and Frysta in my heart and thoughts!

Overview of Respiratory Diseases of Horses
By Bonnie R. Rush, DVM, MS, DACVIM, Professor, Equine Internal Medicine, College of Veterinary Medicine, Kansas State University

Viral respiratory infections are common in horses; the most notable are equine herpesvirus infection, equine influenza, and equine viral arteritis. The clinical manifestations are similar and include pyrexia, serous nasal discharge, submandibular lymphadenopathy, anorexia, and cough. In addition to respiratory disease, equine herpesvirus type 1 (EHV-1) can cause abortion and neurologic disease, and equine herpesvirus type 5 (EHV-5) is a newly recognized cause of multinodular pulmonary fibrosis. Equine viral arteritis produces respiratory disease, vasculitis, and abortion. Equine herpesvirus type 2 (EHV-2), equine rhinitis virus, and reovirus are ubiquitous viral respiratory pathogens, and infection results in minimal clinical disease. Adenovirus pneumonia is most often seen in association with severe combined immunodeficiency in Arabian foals. Hendra virus (see Hendra Virus Infection) is a zoonotic disease of horses identified in Australia; it is rapidly fatal in horses, and close contact is necessary for disease transmission.

Secondary bacterial respiratory infections are primarily initiated by viral disease, because viral respiratory infections impair and/or destroy respiratory defense mechanisms (ie, influenza destroys the mucociliary apparatus, EHV destroys bronchial-associated lymphoid tissue). The most common organisms associated with pneumonia in horses are opportunistic bacteria originating from the resident microflora of the upper respiratory tract. Clinical evidence of a secondary bacterial infection includes mucopurulent nasal discharge, depression, persistent fever, abnormal lung sounds, hyperfibrinogenemia, and leukocytosis. Secondary bacterial disease may result in mucosal bacterial infections (rhinitis and tracheitis) or may produce more serious invasive disease such as pneumonia and pleuropneumonia. Streptococcus equi zooepidemicus is the most common opportunistic pathogen of the equine lung, although Actinobacillus equuli, Bordetella bronchiseptica, Escherichia coli, Pasteurella spp, and Pseudomonas aeruginosa are frequently isolated. S equi equi, the causative agent of strangles (see Strangles in Horses), is a primary bacterial pathogen of the upper respiratory tract and is capable of mucosal invasion without predisposing factors. Rhodococcus equi is a primary pathogen of the lower respiratory tract of foals and produces pulmonary consolidation and abscessation. R equi pneumonia has been reported in adult horses with a compromised immune system.

Noninfectious respiratory disease is a common, performance-limiting condition that affects adult horses of various ages. Inflammatory airway disease is characterized by excessive tracheal mucus, airway hyperreactivity, and poor exercise performance in young horses. The etiology is unclear, but viral respiratory infection (EHV-2), allergy, and environmental factors may play a role in the pathophysiology. Reactive airway disease (heaves) is triggered by exposure to organic dusts in older horses with a genetic predisposition to allergic airway disease. Small airways are obstructed by bronchoconstriction and excessive mucus production. The severity of clinical signs ranges from exercise intolerance to dyspnea at rest.

The respiratory system is one of the most accessible body systems to test diagnostically. Endoscopic examination allows direct visualization of the upper respiratory tract, guttural pouches, trachea, and mainstem bronchi. Indications for endoscopic examination include upper airway noise, inspiratory difficulty, poor exercise performance, and unilateral or bilateral nasal discharge. Radiographs of the skull are indicated to investigate facial deformity, abnormalities of the sinus (sinusitis, dental abnormalities, and sinus cyst), guttural pouch (empyema, tympany), and soft-tissue structures (epiglottis, soft palate). The most important techniques for evaluation of lower respiratory tract secretions are transtracheal wash and bronchoalveolar lavage. Transtracheal wash is indicated to obtain secretions for bacterial and fungal culture of the lower respiratory tract. Bronchoalveolar lavage is indicated for cytologic evaluation of the lower respiratory tract in animals with diffuse, noninfectious pulmonary disease. Nasal swab culture is inappropriate for investigation of pulmonary infectious disease but is indicated for horses with suspected strangles infection.

Thoracic radiography and ultrasonography are valuable for assessing lower respiratory tract disease. Thoracic radiography is used to identify abnormalities of the pulmonary parenchyma, mediastinum, and diaphragm. Pulmonary consolidation (pneumonia), peribronchial disease, pulmonary abscessation, interstitial disease, and mediastinal masses (neoplasia, abscess, granuloma) are most easily identified via thoracic radiography. Thoracic ultrasonography is the most appropriate technique to evaluate fluid in the pleural space, peripheral pulmonary consolidation, and peripheral pulmonary abscessation. Ultrasonographic examination can identify the volume, location, and character of pleural fluid or air within the pleural space (pneumothorax). Additionally, it can identify fibrin tags, gas echoes (anaerobic infection), masses, and loculated fluid pockets, and it allows the clinician to determine the most appropriate site for centesis and to formulate a prognosis.

Pleurocentesis is performed in animals with accumulation of fluid in the pleural space and should be conducted with ultrasonographic guidance. Lung biopsy and fine-needle aspiration are invasive procedures and performed only after other diagnostic procedures have been exhausted. Pulmonary neoplasia, pulmonary fibrosis, and interstitial diseases may require lung biopsy to obtain a definitive diagnosis.

Vaccination does not always prevent respiratory infections in horses, but duration and severity is usually lessened in horses that have been vaccinated regularly, depending on factors such as the disease and specific vaccine. Vaccines are commercially available for equine influenza, viral rhinopneumonitis, equine viral arteritis, and strangles. The cost and hazards of each vaccination must be weighed against the probability of exposure and potential disease. Vaccination recommendations and schedules vary according to use of the horse and its potential for exposure to contagious animals. The American Association of Equine Practitioners (AAEP) Infectious Disease Committee has developed guidelines for all core and risk-based equine vaccinations; recommendations are posted on the AAEP Web site (www.aaep.org/vaccination_guidelines.htm).

Regardless of the type of respiratory disease, environmental factors and supportive care are important to aid recovery. A dust and ammonia-free stable environment prevents further damage to the mucociliary apparatus. Highly palatable feeds are indicated to prevent weight loss and debilitation during the treatment and recovery period. Adequate hydration will decrease the viscosity of respiratory secretions, facilitating their removal from the lower respiratory tract. A comfortable, dry, temperature-appropriate environment will allow the horse to rest and minimize the role of the respiratory tract in thermoregulation.

[Valerie Villars]

Norski, I skimmed your article but will look at it in depth tomorrow. Though I don't know what is wrong with her, I am well versed with the adage that if people knew all the things that could go wrong with horses, they would never buy one. I know they are very difficult to diagnose and each has their own physiological history. Many, many factors come into play.

One thing I did remember though, is the neighbor has an old John Deere which really puts out some major diesel exhaust. He went round and round their pasture, while bush-hogging his own pasture. His machine really puts out a LOT of noxious smoke. There's not a lot I can do about that till next time and move the horses.

My girls just stood next to the fence while he made circle after circle next to them because they were curious. You know how horses are. Curious.

The effects of diesel exhaust are exacerbated by a horse or person already allergen prone, as she is. She's from way up North and now here in the south. I caught your remark about wet climates and had read that about horses in the southeast, but will have to delve more into it tomorrow.

I so appreciate the intelligence and heart of all the responses.

[Bob]

Frysta has been on antibiotics since Tuesday. Last night I believe she made a major breakthrough on the infection. Her sweat was cool to the touch, but what really made me think she is on the mend is this; while she always drinks water, she walked over to the trough and literally sucked in water for ten minutes. I couldn't believe it. I've never seen a horse do that.

She is still breathing a bit too rapidly though. When the vet comes out on Tuesday and pulls more blood, we'll know more. She may be in the beginning stages of heaves, which is like a person's version of COPD, bought on by airborne allergens. It's actually fairly common (the allergic reaction manifesting in the lung passageways) in horses, but still not a good thing.

Copd symptoms can also appear from molds from yucky wet grasses or wood. Is she cribbing at all? This time of year there are black, white and orange molds growing strongly. Bacterial plus mold spores maybe.

[Valerie Villars]

No, she doesn't crib. We keep our pastures moisture free. We had dirt/clay work done and we cut the grass. The ground is level and there is no standing water.

The thing is, she has been on antibiotics for six days and it is now starting to become a little drier and cooler, nice breeze and she is still breathing too rapidly. As she's never been on them before, I have no idea how long they take to work and perhaps she needs an anti-inflammatory to kick her over the edge.

She has all her vaccines, though she was chemical free till she moved to Louisiana and in order for her to be around other animals, it's required. She has had regular vet and farrier care through me from day one. I don't skimp on my animals.

Also, I should add, they both have free access to 2.5 acres, some shaded with open access to a covered stable, with a nice wind blowing through, always clean. In the summer the fan blows and it is very clean. Neither goes to the bathroom in there because they go in the pastures; a total of three to equal the above number, each with it's own attributes. You know, sun, shade, trees, etc. Each has it's own venue and they choose.

They each have their own open stall for feeding and I feed them premium stuff, with supplements of carrots, flax oil, alfalfa cubes. All top quality. I changed the hay after she got sick. The hay is really good quality coastal hay with no dust.

[Bob]

One thing I did remember though, is the neighbor has an old John Deere which really puts out some major diesel exhaust. He went round and round their pasture, while bush-hogging his own pasture. His machine really puts out a LOT of noxious smoke. There's not a lot I can do about that till next time and move the horses.

So a lot of dirt was stirred up resulting in inhaled particles of somethings. Soil bacteria or fungus. Or both. Copd presents that way with fungus if it persists after antibiotic treatment. Diesel particulates would after a very long term not in a short term

[Valerie Villars]

The vet is coming out this morning to check on Frysta. Please hold her in the highest light and hope. She is such a sweet mare and we have lots left to do in this life.

I'll keep you posted.

[Valerie Villars]

Well, we still don't know what is wrong with her. The vet took blood for a comprehensive work-up. I will hear back today.

Keep Frysta in your prayers.

[Valerie Villars]

Okay, she's been on antibiotics since October 2 and still breathing rapidly. Although she 24/7 access to both pasture and an open, well ventilated stable, I took her out yesterday and walked her around the property for maybe 5 minutes at a leisurely pace, with an eye toward lunging her as I thought it might make her feel better.

Her nostrils were flaring from that small exertion so I nixed the lunging. She has no fever.

Her bloodwork is showing high levels of Fibrinogen, even higher than the first blood draw, in spite of being on the antibiotics for about eight days at the point the second round of blood was drawn. Also high are her Monocytes, Basophils and Plasma protein.

The vet is loathe to give her coricosteroids, as there is a connection with laminitis, a painful and debilitating hoof condition which you don't ever want to manifest.

Any vets out there? The plan is to keep her on the antibiotics until Tuesday, when the vet comes out again (the third time in two weeks).

Everything indicates inflammation. The vet is baffled and said five other horses she is treating have the same rapid breathing and symptoms. We were hoping the cool, dry weather of the last two days would relieve some of the symptoms.

[norski]

Hi Valerie,

I’ve used Metacam, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory. It’s pretty effective although can be hard on the kidneys. Unless you’re using it for months, it should be ok.

https://www.vet-medic.com/downloads/1373449585META7-metacam-oral-suspension-horse-datasheet.pdf

Good wishes!

[Bob]

Hi Val, how are you and Frysta holding up?

Has your vet considered submitting samples for LSU's veterinary diagnostics lab to have them do the needed full workup to see what is going on? Viral, fungal, bacterial and what should be the treatment?

https://www.lsu.edu/vetmed/veterinary_hospital/services/internal_medicine_la/services.php - Equine services
https://www.lsu.edu/vetmed/veterinary_hospital/services/clin_path/index.php - clinical diagnostics

Their phone number - Horses and farm animals 225-578-9500 https://www.lsu.edu/vetmed/laddl/

Eastern Equine Encephalitis (EEE) virus keeps coming up on searches - do you vaccinate?

[Valerie Villars]

Aren't you a doll? She is actually better today.

I panicked yesterday as the vet prescribed an anti-inflammatory orally. I noticed yesterday she was breathing harder than ever, after two, every 12 hour doses. I realized after a few hours of reflection, that it was to her system, like us taking anti-allergy medicine and was probably making her speed. The vet confirmed.

Still no temp. I'm actually going out to check on the two little witches in a minute. But Frysta seems much better.

Thank you for asking.

The vet is coming back out on Tuesday. More blood and then we'll know for sure. She is a really good vet. A real little pistol.

[Valerie Villars]

Damn, still breathing way too hard. Way too hard and too fast.

LSU is the gold standard. My vet's also a crackerjack and if she can't solve it, that's the next step.

I didn't give her any anti-inflammatory doses today as it seemed to exacerbate the problem.

[Bob]

Wondering then about cardiac issues - was deworming done for the Fall season? Apparently two seasons, one in the spring and one in the fall are done.. Infected mosquitoes ? Lungworm maybe?

https://stablemanagement.com/articles/lungworms-donkeys-horses-26641 (horses can suffer respiratory irritation/bronchitis. Eggs and larvae of Dictyocaulus arnfieldi will not be present in feces, making them difficult to identify as the definitive cause of respiratory disease in the horse.)

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Bob. Yes, she gets wormed twice a year, after a fecal sample is taken by the vet and she determines she has worms. Horses used to be wormed every sixty days, but the worms were becoming immune to the medicine and getting stronger, so now they are checked twice yearly and wormed accordingly.

I, too have thought about cardio issues, regarding her heart also, but all indications are lung related. Very frustrating but we are still trying to get to the bottom of it, many dollars and time later and counting.

The vet is coming back out tomorrow. I pray it is nothing serious. More blood.

I'll mention the lung worm issue, as there was a donkey in the pasture next door, that got into ours about a year ago. I don't know how long the worms take to grow and become a problem.

Sigh, she's always been such a hardy little thing.

[Bob]

OK the lung worm, cause of the donkey.. That seems to be the indication, with bronchial, not actual lung infestation, but bronchial, describing the symptoms.. Ivermectin they are saying is one, but obviously the vet would know with her condition, what not to stress her with..

Maybe with stuff being stirred up egg cysts could have been inhaled, dunno.. Lung worm won't show up in the stools..

[Valerie Villars]

After reading about lungworms, you may be right. Not only did the donkey get into our pasture last year, but his son, the mule, got into our pasture about three times two months ago.

Off to buy more de-worming medicine, which won't hurt. Twice in two weeks is okay, just to make sure.

Thank you Bob. In all my searches, I never came across that explanation.

[Bob]

When I understand what the symptoms are and what has and hasn't been checked, and reactions such as to the anti-inflammatory, I can connect the dots and offer some thoughts. The donkey most likely could very well be the culprit and the Mule, or was it a Hiney? Those eggs and larvae maybe last a long time in the soil... We had a donkey and some horses at my other location in Colorado for some years, and the donkey wasn't infected TG.. Love hanging with the horses more than the donkey, she was pretty strange.. But, something got kicked up and breathed in I think.. I could be totally wrong, but this is just going down the list of symptoms and what may be the instigator..

But maybe look up specifically the treatment for that lungworm and contra-indications, like what may kick in with an already stressed horse, which is why the Vet may need to be on-line with that.. Maybe there can be a blood test for that particular worm.. They say it would be bronchial so I just don't know for instance if Ivermectin if that is what is chosen for deworming would get there.. And a worm die-off, is that going to create even more coughing or allergic response? That's where a good discussion with the vet may be needed as to what to do when certain reactions start happening.. Worm die-off is miserable no matter what species has the condition..

[Valerie Villars]

Bob, first it was a donkey which got into the pasture with her last year. He was in there all night. A jack. So, we had to call the vet who gave her a "morning after" shot. After reading about lungworms, they say once a pasture is infected, they come back every year. Normal treatment is Ivermectin, but as I explained above, the vet believes in strategic worming as opposed to automatic, because constantly worming just makes the buggers more resistant to treatment.

So, we test three times a year for worms. She had worms (the type has not been determined) and she got wormed with an all spectrum de-wormer around the same time she began manifesting the bronchial and infection symptoms. The wormer she got should take care of the worms, but bacterial pneumonia can be a secondary symptom of her fighting off the worm infestation before she got treated.

So, if that is the cause, she should be okay. Believe it or not, that would actually be the best of all respiratory issues. Fungus, virus and mold issues are a whole other can of worms.

Then, to top it off, Leroy the donkey got the neighbor's mare pregnant (our neighbor said he didn't think the donkey could reach the mare. Not a realistic expectation. When animals want to mate, they will find a way). The neighbor's mare had a mule, which can also harbor and pass lungworms. Well, three months ago, he (Leroy, Jr.) got into our pastures three times. So, they could have come from him.

Leroy seems to have given the gift that keeps on giving, over and over.

The vet is coming tomorrow morning. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Your explanation or possibility was a viable one I had not considered before. Many, many thanks for that. :flower:

[RunningDeer]

Brainstorming here… with a preventive measure for the future.

Treat the land with diatomaceous earth where the four-legged friend kicked up the worm-types?



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[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Running Deer. I just went out to check on her and now she has a thick, wet gurgling sound when she breathes. She discharged a thick, yellow mucus this morning and is breathing so hard it hurts me to look at her.

I'm trying not to be worried because I have given her the best of care and there's more to come, I'm afraid. It's difficult and expensive to diagnose a horse.

[RunningDeer]

I'm trying not to be worried because I have given her the best of care and there's more to come, I'm afraid. It's difficult and expensive to diagnose a horse.

There’s no doubt, Frysta has lots and lots of love, care and training.


https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif

For new comers to the thread, I'll add the video that Valerie posted of Frysta.


Incredible Natural Horsemanship! -- Frysta
SWcise6Qnn0

♡

[Bob]

Well I would give the vet a call on the breathing and discharge change. If they haven't yet cultured the secretion they do need to do that

To me it makes no sense to have a vet say don't treat if there is a symptom looking like bronchial lungworms specifically with the mule and donkey in your pasture.

Worms come when exposed and that can happen if the neighbors dirt was stirred up. Back to what sounds like bronchial pneumonia kicking in now by your description makes me wonder what is the vet missing. One does cultures, enzyme tests and doesn't put it off..

Just de-worming twice is great for regular exposure but I seriously doubt from what I am hearing that your vet has any experience with lungworms, dunno maybe she does or doesn't but your horse is still sick after numerous vet visits.

Me, I would call the folks at LSU vet college and ask them, when u describe the symptoms and exposure to the donkey and mule. That's just me.

[Valerie Villars]

I didn't know you could just call them. And they would actually speak to you. I can promise I'll do that tomorrow. Thank you.

[norski]

I’m so sorry Frysta is still suffering. It’s so difficult when we can’t get to root causes easily. Medicine is an art more than a science.

If Frysta is gurgling, you might need to give her furosemide to reduce fluid build up. This can be a saver.

[Sadieblue]

Valerie, Frysta is such a beautiful horse,
I am so sorry she is sick, will be keeping her in prayer.

[Keajran]

Valerie, can you share a photo of Frysta, that I can use in my prayer and healing group. Thanks.

[RunningDeer]

Valerie, can you share a photo of Frysta, that I can use in my prayer and healing group. Thanks.
Here's the video Valerie shared.

Incredible Natural Horsemanship! -- Frysta
SWcise6Qnn0

[Valerie Villars]

Okay, we have a definitive diagnosis; COPD or Heaves. It is probably seasonal and due to allergies and definitely manageable with light doses of steroids while symptoms are present and Ventipulmin.

The bacterial infection is a chicken or egg first kind of thing, but definitely related. She took more blood to see if the infection is being healed.

So, for now she is on medication and will start feeling better shortly.

I cannot thank you all enough for your wonderful care and attention. I feel like the weight of the world is off my shoulders and now I can get back to life.

Blessings to you all.

[Bob]

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (CoPD) - lungworm infection.

Respiratory problems in horses
2 October 2014 - Posted by Hannah Dyball in Pet Care

Generally speaking, the causes of respiratory problems can be separated into four categories: bacterial/viral infections, parasitic infections, allergies, and anatomical defects. They can affect the nose, pharynx (throat), larynx (voice box), trachea (wind pipe) and lungs, which together make up the respiratory tract.

Parasitic infections are another common cause of respiratory problems. Parasites that take nourishment from their host i.e. a blood meal, can transmit harmful infections through their secretions.

In turn, they can affect the respiratory tract and cause chronic coughing. (as in Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease).

Lungworm is a harmful parasite that affects the lungs in this way as the parasite spends part, if not most, of its life cycle in the respiratory system. Unbeknownst to many of us, 70% of donkeys are infected with lungworm, although few will show symptoms.

Because of this, horses that are grazed with donkeys are at high risk of contracting the parasite.

Seems the vet finally has said "gee it is something obstructing the bronchi".. let's call it "COPD" and brush it off, treat some symptoms make the effects go away and ignore the CAUSE.. (SIGH)..

I cannot offer any more suggestions to talk with LSU and get a proper secretion study done, as your vet obviously has made up her mind ("knows" what "it" is...) how to deal with this situation without doing a study of secretions.. Lungworms don't show up in the poop. COPD is a symptom definition, not identifying a cause, not affecting a "cure" or even ideal treatment - (stop the infection is the treatment obviously)..

OK VAL.. Good luck to you with treating symptoms. And you have a beautiful horse who is quite brilliant and no doubt loves you very much. Much love and blessings.

[Keajran]

Thanks Runningdeer, but I need a photograph.

[Valerie Villars]

Bob, do not misunderstand. We wormed her which will take care of the lungworms, which is all we can do to kill them. And as you said, Ivermectin is the treatment.

Her lungs may be irritated from lungworm infection. But, if we are treating the worms, the infection and the inflammation, which we are, it would be the cure anyway.

The difference is that her lungs were clear until today, when she heard what she said sounds like kittens moving in a bag.

I'll call LSU right now and see what they say. By the way, the vet suggested, before the diagnosis, that LSU might be the next best bet, before I said anything about it.

You may be right about the lungworms, but if that's the case, it's the same treatment.

I just left a message with LSU.


Lungworms--If your horses share space with donkeys, they might be at risk for contracting lungworms. Dictyocaulus arnfieldi is a primary parasite of donkeys that has also found horses to be a passable host, and they can be very pathogenic.
As the common name suggests, this long, white worm hangs out in the respiratory tract. Adults can be up to three inches (about eight centimeters) long. The eggs already contain first-stage larvae when laid, which hatch before they're passed out in the donkey's manure. (It is rare for lungworms to successfully reproduce in horses.) The larvae become infective in pasture in about five days, and when they're ingested they migrate by way of the lymphatic system to arrive in the lungs in another five days. Egg laying begins about 28 days after initial infection in the lungs, and the larvae travel up the trachea via coughing. Once in the throat, they're swallowed and make their exit via the intestinal tract.
Larval lungworms live in the lumen (cavity) of the bronchial tree (the larger air passages of the lungs), where in horses they can cause chronic bronchitis, coughing, and atelectasis--a collapse of the alveoli (air sacs), which can compromise the ability of that part of the lung to exchange oxygen--all while remaining practically undetectable. The lung damage can have a serious impact on any high-performance horse. Interestingly, donkeys can harbor lungworms without any outward sign of disease, but it's in donkeys that the worms can successfully complete their life cycles. A minor infection of lungworms imposes only a mild burden on the horse. Heavier infections, however, can lead to partial or complete obstruction of the air passages, with clinical disease developing in proportion to the degree of obstruction. These horses might be difficult to distinguish from those with other types of respiratory problems, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD, also known as heaves). The easiest way to distinguish a lungworm infection is to consider the horse's history; if he has been housed with donkeys, lungworms are a real possibility.

Respiratory Allergies

There are conflicting research reports as to the cause of COPD. For years, many equine researchers and veterinarians have been of the opinion that COPD can be compared to asthma in humans. They believe that one cause is an allergic reaction on the part of the horse's respiratory system to certain types of dust, mold, or other substances. However, a recent study by a team of researchers at Cornell University on COPD seemed to contridict that theory. The Cornell team, led by Dorothy Ainsworth, DVM, PhD, said that its study strongly indicates that COPD is not an allergic reaction.

By N. Edward Robinson, BVetMed, PhD, MRCVS,
Department of Large Animal Clinical Sciences, and
Melissa Millerick-May, BS, MS, PhD, Department of Medicine,
Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI

Horses with heaves first show signs when they are around eight years old. Signs include coughing and exercise intolerance and are more likely first observed when the affected horse is in closed environments such as a stable. The cough persists, and after one to two years the horse may show difficult breathing at rest. If the condition is untreated and management of the horse is not changed, airway obstruction becomes more severe and breathing becomes progressively more difficult. An affected horse loses weight because it cannot eat sufficient food when gasping for air and because it uses lots of muscular energy in the effort to breathe.



Frysta is ten years old.

[Valerie Villars]

Bob, I think you are a very precise person and perhaps the lack of exploring all options may be bothersome to you.

You have been enormously helpful.

This has gone on for two weeks, with three visits, three blood work-ups and an endocrinology work up coming in November. All this has been expensive and stressful. I certainly do want definitive answers and had left a message with her last night about the lungworms, thanks to you.

I am very hands on with Frysta and honestly have been upset for two weeks over this. I will let you know as soon as LSU calls me back and I ask them how we could diagnose or rule out the lungworms. I also have another call into the vet with the same question.

She did say it was unlikely, due to the short exposure, but I'm not ruling it out.

[Bob]

(sigh) - treatment is not just 1 or two times a year. If there is an active infection, the treatment means do it now, even if done a few months ago.. One treatment says TWO worming products are used together Mebendazole and Ivermectin is one of the treatment, and everyone says if a donkey or mule has been present with your horse (or in the neighboring pasture, "and that pasture has been turned up" dust in the air, etc..) chances are lungworms. COPD and Heaves showing up with lungworm infection. Yellow mucous, etc. continually saying the same thing, treat for active lungworm infection, then and simultaneously due to the tissue being damaged/infected treat for bacterial infection... BUT take samples and have said samples properly analyzed by the diagnostic lab (in your case, LSU is the closest lab to do that diagnostic work). Some say it will require a slow dose 5 day treatment (one normal dose divided up into SMALLER proportions, based on weight/age, so that the ONE "normal dose" is given, but divided up slowly over time... followed up again two weeks later. LSU staff pbly would know what is the best to do with the age of your horse and the other symptoms present.. (Such as how to handle an allergic reaction to extremely rapid worm die-off, and necessity to clear the bronchi rapidly to prevent pneumonia).

I do care about you and your horse. :)

I make a point of doing what I can to the best of my ability to research and pass along what I find when I am asked.

If help is not wanted, I will ignore the title of the thread "Healing Help Please" and "bug out" ..

( My vet knows to what extent I will technically help with research in the care of any one of any of my animals should they become ill. )

If expense is an issue preventing proper diagnosis and then proper healing treatment I am certain, asking for help will bring in a lot of donations from many people who hear your call for help. I saw in one of your posts that it is getting expensive in treating your horse.

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A primer on Lungworm and donkey mule exposure to horses:

Lungworms--If your horses share space with donkeys, they might be at risk for contracting lungworms. Dictyocaulus arnfieldi is a primary parasite of donkeys that has also found horses to be a passable host, and they can be very pathogenic.

As the common name suggests, this long, white worm hangs out in the respiratory tract. Adults can be up to three inches (about eight centimeters) long.

The eggs already contain first-stage larvae when laid, which hatch before they're passed out in the donkey's manure. (It is rare for lungworms to successfully reproduce in horses.) The larvae become infective in pasture in about five days, and when they're ingested they migrate by way of the lymphatic system to arrive in the lungs in another five days.

Egg laying begins about 28 days after initial infection in the lungs, and the larvae travel up the trachea via coughing.

Once in the throat, they're swallowed and make their exit via the intestinal tract.

Larval lungworms live in the lumen (cavity) of the bronchial tree (the larger air passages of the lungs), where in horses they can cause chronic bronchitis, coughing, and atelectasis--a collapse of the alveoli (air sacs), which can compromise the ability of that part of the lung to exchange oxygen--all while remaining practically undetectable.

The lung damage can have a serious impact on any high-performance horse.

Interestingly, donkeys can harbor lungworms without any outward sign of disease, but it's in donkeys that the worms can successfully complete their life cycles.

A minor infection of lungworms imposes only a mild burden on the horse. *(Possibly this is why it hasn't shown up earlier.. If the donkey from the other pasture was pooping all over there, stirring that stuff up, exacerbated irritation kicked off an infection, allowed for increase growth, of something - the horse should not be having those symptoms really otherwise..)

Heavier infections, however, can lead to partial or complete obstruction of the air passages, with clinical disease developing in proportion to the degree of obstruction. (So steroid treatment and breathing aids are being used, great, love to hear what LSU says doing an actual analysis of the secretions.. without that it's guess work saying blood tests prove all, they don't is the point.)

These horses might be difficult to distinguish from those with other types of respiratory problems, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD, also known as heaves).


The easiest way to distinguish a lungworm infection is to consider the horse's history; if he has been housed with donkeys, lungworms are a real possibility.


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Description: Donkey and mule spent time with Frysta. Horse developed cough, yellow mucous. Vet says oh well, lets treat with an antibiotic.. Oh well, maybe COPD, lets treat with steroids..

Untreated lungworm Prognosis: Study showed with dead animals in Kentucky, worm infection, some of which spread to the brain shown up during necropsy.


Horses with heaves first show signs when they are around eight years old. Signs include coughing and exercise intolerance and are more likely first observed when the affected horse is in closed environments such as a stable. The cough persists, and after one to two years the horse may show difficult breathing at rest. If the condition is untreated and management of the horse is not changed, airway obstruction becomes more severe and breathing becomes progressively more difficult. An affected horse loses weight because it cannot eat sufficient food when gasping for air and because it uses lots of muscular energy in the effort to breathe.

http://chanlo.com/images/lungworm-1.jpg

Animal health respiratory Noise:
"little kittens sound" per the vet - weezing (sheesh vet, call it what it is).. ivermectin or moxidectin is being use as anthelmintic for the control of the ... other causes of luminal obstruction or upper respiratory noise. When fluid is building up that sound happens.

PS - I apologize for any gruffness - When I hear a vet or medico blowing off doing proper diagnostics I tend to feel it has to be emphasized clearly that the vet I believe is not doing what they should be doing - proper diagnostic testing and one should be determined enough to call them out, albeit gently enough, but direct enough to get the adequate diagnostics done.. Else one is just covering up a "cause" treating outward symptoms...


Val: [..] Her lungs may be irritated from lungworm infection.

But, if we are treating the worms, the infection and the inflammation, which we are, it would be the cure anyway.

The difference is that her lungs were clear until today, when she heard what she said sounds like kittens moving in a bag.

I'll call LSU right now and see what they say. By the way, the vet suggested, before the diagnosis, that LSU might be the next best bet, before I said anything about it.

You may be right about the lungworms, but if that's the case, it's the same treatment.

I just left a message with LSU.

That the lungs WERE clear until today (was just bronchial previously) is what concerns me, greatly.. I've lost dear friends when that last symptom appears.. It took 10 days after that symptom appears (if not treated right), when they die. So obviously my insistence on getting LSU on board.

[Valerie Villars]

She had one dose of Ivermectin wormer two weeks ago and will receive another today. So, she is being treated for worms and has been wormed twice yearly since I've had her, with fecal checks approximately one month after dosage, every year, twice a year.

She is on antibiotics for the infection (past 14 days) and Ventipulmen (past four days) for the bronchial inflammation.

Today, she got a corticosteroid shot of Dexamethasome and will be on pills of the same until symptoms clear.

I am trying to tell you we are doing everything possible for the symptoms right now. I have spared no expense, believe me. I don't care about expense. I am simply trying to say she is getting the best care I can give her right now and what she is getting treats both the lungworms and COPD.

I love that you have helped and educated me. You and and everyone else who responded. I am not arguing with you in any way. I guess I am not expressing myself properly. I am always astounded at how knowledgeable and intelligent you are. And to top it off, you seem to be a very nice and caring person.

[RunningDeer]

Thanks Runningdeer, but I need a photograph.

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♡

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Running Deer. I still don't know how to post photos from a digital camera, which is the only one I've had since I had Frysta.

I tried not to be worried and upset the last two weeks, but I'm afraid I haven't done too much which was useful since she got sick. I even missed a trip to Rhode Island because of it. I didn't want to leave her while she was ill.

[RunningDeer]

Thanks Running Deer. I still don't know how to post photos from a digital camera, which is the only one I've had since I had Frysta.
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[Valerie Villars]

I don't care what this sounds like. Crazy or not. :)

I just came from the barn. Frysta is deeply grateful and she knows how we all are helping her. And she feels better.

Good night, ya'll. Her heart is big and pumping love and oxygen.

[RunningDeer]

I don't care what this sounds like. Crazy or not. :)

I just came from the barn. Frysta is deeply grateful and she knows how we all are helping her. And she feels better.

Good night, ya'll. Her heart is big and pumping love and oxygen.
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How’s Frysta? https://i.imgur.com/CmhIveh.gif

[Valerie Villars]

She is back to normal. I have ridden her lightly the past two days, to help her expand her lungs and build herself back up. :sun:

I am over the moon she feels good and I love you all for caring.

[RunningDeer]

https://i.imgur.com/QJRrfzn.gif Awww, glad to hear the good news. Thanks for the update, Valerie.

[wondering]

Valerie, I have been following your concerns for Frysta with love and healing energy. SO happy with your good news. Please kiss her sweet head for me. Diane

[Valerie Villars]

Thank you Diane. I most certainly will do so. Frysta kind of saved my life. I've always had a special bond with horses and I needed something to love and care for; she thrills me.

And her little mini mare companion, Annabelle Lee. Annabelle was a rescue.

[norski]

Yay!!!! I'm so happy to hear Frysta is better. Good on you! :cat:

[Valerie Villars]

Although my horse Frysta has been better since her initial bout with seasonal allergies, I have had to keep on hand Dexamethasone, 4mg. pills to keep her comfortable as needed and for emergencies.

When the weather is hot and humid, she still breathes quickly, but this is preferable to labored breathing.

I have been doing research on what is apparently a common problem here in the southeast United States. Vets are unsure what it is that triggers allergic reactions in horses, leading to breathing problems and COPD.

What I found were many anecdotal stories about Spirulina (a blue green algae) helping tremendously. So I ordered some and it just arrived.

For any horse people out there, I'll check back in after she's taken it for 30 days, to let you know if it helps.

http://https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/10-proven-benefits-of-spirulina#section1

[Valerie Villars]

Day 3 of feeding Spirulina

I am now treating this as journal as to whether spirulina or any other remedy is helping my horse, as this forum is dated and I can refer back to it for a timeline.

In the two years I have lived here on the farm with my horses, thereby observing them 24 hours a day, I have NEVER seen Frysta walk away from her hay before it was gone.

The hay she gets is of the best quality available. This is day three or four and both she and my rescue, Annabelle Lee, walked away from the hay before it was long gone and went back out to graze. I give it to them twice a day and they always consume every last straw.

The have free range access to all their pastureland, an open stable that affords shelter and fans and their water tub which is always fresh.

I am really astonished. It may be the spirulini and it may not be. It may be having real effects. I know I am the only one on the edge of my seat on this and that is OKAY. :)

[Valerie Villars]

Frysta has been on Spirulina pellets for 12 days now and not only is there real improvement in her breathing (I am here 24/7 and I watch her like a hawk) but she has much more energy in spite of this being our brutally hot and humid season.

Her coat is AMAZING, her eyes are bright and she seems very comfortable and happy.

If I see real improvement and/or lack of a crisis-like onset of symptoms, like I saw last year, then I'll have to concede it really works. If we get through October with the same results, I'll know it really works. Fingers crossed.

[Valerie Villars]

Completely anecdotal and a note to myself. I have been dealing with COPD in my horse and read an article online today which said that the hot, airless, humid part of the southeast's summers have increased by one month in the past few decades. And so has the incidence of COPD in horses.