My thoughts and questions on Disclosure

[radeev]

TLDR: look at text in bold

First some context for my question: My "meeting" with conspiracies and in particular the ET presence cover up began in 2008 with watching Dr. Steven Greer's press conference from May 14 2001. Ten years down the road I am by no means an expert in any conspiracy, but feel I have a good overall picture.

The ET cover up is in my view the most important conspiracy. I think it eclipses everything else by a few magnitudes. Why? Because if the ET presence was either admitted by the governments or documented beyond doubt by the mainstream media then the number 1 societal priority would naturally end up becoming achieving energy freedom. Positive ETs would probably be willing to help us achieve that noble goal, given the positive ramifications stemming from it (if the entire world population demanded those solutions it would become impossible for bad people to keep that technology for themselves). Even if they could not to help us the knowledge of disclosure would force narrow-minded people to open up, and thus it would be only a matter of time before promising technologies would become commercially viable. Speaking of commerce, solving the energy problem would also to a large degree if not completely solve the monetary problem, because there would be much less scarcity of everything when you have free energy lying around. Yes, maybe not all problems would cease, but things would drastically improve to the point that it would be hard perpetuate fake wars on terror etc. So this is why I argue it\s the most important conspiracy.

So far so good. Couple this with the West's nefarious agenda towards particularly Russia but also lately China, the old "Illuminati" plan for world war 3 etc involving said powers. Keep in mind also how RT is demonized in one western country after the other because their narrative is unwelcome. Given how Putin is viewed in a favorable light by many (I don't think it\s just me), I finally arrive at my question:Why don't Russia, through RT with it's global reach, document the ET presence in detail? I read RT on almost a daily basis for some time now. Their articles keep on bashing the US highlighting all the problems/devolution there, but where are the articles and documentaries about the ET presence? Would the US go to war if Russia did this? Russia surely must have tons of evidence of the ET presence. If Putin is one of the few world leaders (from a major power) who is both intelligent enough and caring enough to know about the ET presence and care about his fellow human beings, why not reveal the truth?

No one would care if a small unknown country admitted the ET presence, but Russia carries weight and if RT with its global reach gradually stepped up its commitment to reveal such truths, the issue would have to be addressed by Western counterparts. Why doesn't Russia do this? The logical conclusion which I do not want do draw is that either the ET presence is not as certain as I have thought and/or that Putin is not as decent as I thought and/or that Russia is already compromised, which doesn't make sense given the propaganda war against Russia lately.

I have had this question for quite some time and have never heard a good answer to it (the last sentence in the paragraph above is not logically sound unless it's all an act, and in that case we are in more deep **** than I thought).

[yelik]

Personally I do not think we should trust any politician because they are largely controlled whoever they are

On one level Russia and the west appear to be at loggerheads but where the secret space program and ET is concerned I suspect they are united and work together. After all if there is an external threat from some ET groups then all differences would be put aside.

Governments and MSM have no real choice (threatened) but to follow the official narrative provided to them by their masters - the Cabal / Illuminati / Deep State / Elites or whatever name they go by today

[Bill Ryan]

Why doesn't Russia do this?

Possible responses:


Maybe they will.
Maybe there's a backchannel agreement. ("Look, we won't say anything about this, if you don't say/do anything about that. Deal?") Note: remember, Russia will also know all about JFK, 9/11, whatever the truth is about the moon landings, and much more. The question's not an isolated one.
Maybe there's a different kind of backchannel agreement. ("You go first, when the time's right for us all, and then we'll corroborate it in our own public announcement.")
Maybe both Russia and the US (and presumably also China, India, the UK, et al) have exactly the same sets of reasons not to disclose a thing right now.

[Cognitive Dissident]

To take a simplistic view, the Russian economy is still very dependent on oil and gas. ET energy technology would be more disruptive for them than for, say, the Chinese or the Indians.

Of course, the Russians are robust and could handle it, but still, they are not going to rush into such a massive disruption.

Russia knows all about 9/11 and JFK, etc. Must be hard to resist the temptation to put some of that information out there. Shows their maturity and ability to play the long game I guess.

[Bill Ryan]

Richard Dolan addresses exactly this interesting question at 1:42:56 in his recent interview with Linda Howe and John Burroughs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0ntrJRtWU

[Builder]

To take a simplistic view, the Russian economy is still very dependent on oil and gas. ET energy technology would be more disruptive for them than for, say, the Chinese or the Indians.

In 2015 oil and gas were 62% of their exports:

https://www.russiaexim.com/images/Russia-exported-products-in-2015.png

[radeev]

Why doesn't Russia do this?

Possible responses:


Maybe they will.
Maybe there's a backchannel agreement. ("Look, we won't say anything about this, if you don't say/do anything about that. Deal?") Note: remember, Russia will also know all about JFK, 9/11, whatever the truth is about the moon landings, and much more. The question's not an isolated one.
Maybe there's a different kind of backchannel agreement. ("You go first, when the time's right for us all, and then we'll corroborate it in our own public announcement.")
Maybe both Russia and the US (and presumably also China, India, the UK, et al) have exactly the same sets of reasons not to disclose a thing right now.


re 1) Yeltsin was bad, Medvedev didn´t have the same strength as Putin (a rare commodity), Putin´s successor might be bad as well and not in a position to pull it off. Russia is portrayed as the big bad bully, what better time to act than now?

re 2 and 3) I dont think any evidence from Russia on 9/11 etc would be taken seriously, not now after all these years. Critics would call the evidence fabricated. A lot of 9/11 evidence seems to be just that, Russia would not be considered a credible witness. Tit for tat might have something to do with it, but whoever goes first will be the hero. Unless they are corroborating behind the scenes (which would make them guilty of crimes against humanity and that the Orwellian state is already 100% in place), this seems like a risky strategy given the seemingly mounting pressure on Russia. I can understand why China doesn´t want to do it, as they are growing stronger by the day, but not Russia.

As for Russia´s oil dependency yes disclosure would mean they would be negatively affected by this, but would this not be compensated by becoming the hero of the world and in pole position to host the first ET/human interactions?

Yes, I am assuming a positive outcome is the most likely. I don´t share Dolan´s fear of a totalitarian outcome (thanks for sharing that video!). Only if we genuinely could be made to believe that bad ET arrived yesterday after having traveled for decades after hearing our radio signals from 50 years ago can I foresee a totalitarian outcome where people flock around a strong leader to fight off the invader.

The idea that we would be at technological parity with an ET species arriving here, which is a requirement for the idea that we could have a reasonable chance to fend him off in the first place and thus rally behind tyranny, is naive and stupid. admitting alien presence doesn´t change the visitor´s intentions. If bad ETs are out there we can assume they have already been there for quite some time. If they wanted to attack us they would not wait until after their presence has been disclosed. if ET presence is disclosed the only logical conclusion to make is that they must be more good than bad overall, and why would the citizenry embrace tyranny in that scenario?

Now, if the ETs themselves refuse to pose in front of our televisions at the moment then of course whatever evidence Russia may have will fail the ultimate proof test - a living ET in front of you, live. Maybe it is precisely this that prevents disclosure, because the only good enough proof is a live one?

I am much confused in this matter.

[pigsy2400]

I think it depends on what you actually class disclosure to be. For each person in this thread for example, that could mean something different to everyone here. We have to examine our own confirmation bias in someways. If you arrive at the field of UFOlogy with a framework of what "it" is already in place, you will only look for confirmation of that mental framework and possibly reject anything that doesn't meet with that bias.

Many people forget what the U in UFO stands for. We simply don't know, that's why the U is what it is. We also have to be careful what information we digest and accept as truth without examining it's origins and the motivations of where it originated from.

So to disclosure? We cannot insist on it, when we don't know what it is we are asking for. What we do know, is that there is something that fascinates us, our governments and militaries...everything else...we can't really hang our hat on at all and for me personally, that's the most frustrating part.

[Bill Ryan]

So to disclosure? We cannot insist on it, when we don't know what it is we are asking for.

Another angle on that: :)

If we did ask, and somehow got a detailed, truthful answer, we might not like it... at ALL.

[Omni]

I think an important missing point is that if the diplomats in government actually knew about the extraterrestrial presence in a credible and informed fashion it would be a good first step. If a proper and adequate situation informed people like Congress and the White House by making them contactees of positive oriented extraterrestrials this could help revolutionize the planet. A lot of the NWO agenda manifests into this nation (America) through manipulated government who do not have the real picture.

I think people over-generalize too much in notions of the shadow government being one collusive informed source. There is a lot of compartmentalization and I think the people that serve their agendas are typically pretty clueless. They also have ways of making the righteous serve their agendas with positive intentions. It is a comprehensive web of illusion including: affiliates - shills & assets - agents & operatives - administrators - and extraterrestrials (on the evil side). On the positive side (as far as I know): individuals with altruism & pure intent - activists - whistleblowers - deoccultists - righteous warriors - extraterrestrials.

[Valerie Villars]

It is very complex. On that I do agree.

One pertinent question is, once you know the truth, by contact with even positive ultra-dimensionals, are you (meaning generally and not one specific person) going to be able to assimilate the knowledge and then still live in this dimension? On your own wits, as defined by the terms of this reality?

Their reality is very different.

[Omni]

The original post from another thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104341-Disclosure-Counterintelligence):


I have been privy to some inside knowledge about a real disclosure event coming in the next 20 or so years, the event is centered around global first contact with the galactic community. Perception of this event is being sabotaged as much as possible by the shadow government administered black ops crime syndicate. Intelligence community psychological warfare has been active for years trying to program the population about disclosure: as seen with Corey Goode, Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock, David Icke, Ashtar and the "Galactic Federation of Light", mind control asset channelers, faux contactees, the army of manchurian psychics and remote viewers, the Pleiadian concept, the false flag alien invasion psyop, the false Christ psyop, and the Q Anon psyop.

Corey Goode (False Prophet):
• false dark alliance psyop
• branding of legitimate opposition as "dark alliance"
• slander ops versus alt media - cointelpro of true opposition
• paid off alt media imposter - disclosure fraud - imitation whistleblower - mind control asset
• counterintelligence co-opting and ruining of the upcoming genuine disclosure event via associative mind programming
• claimed he is "on the payroll" (estimation: US military & CIA)
• summary of the Corey Goode PSYOP: false prophecy, false alliance, fake aliens, deceptive angles, dishonorable information gathering & plagiarism, fraudulent claims, fake contactee status, fake Federation ambassador, fake solar system travels, opposite branding of disclosure with false association mechanics, programming alt media about global first contact circumstances, slander of legitimate opposition, Project Avalon cointelpro, promotion of new age disinformation, sponsoring of channeled information (Law of One), space program disinformation, Ai based information warfare, bastardization of the concept of the whistleblower, taking the place of genuine opposition, personality cleansed manchurian.


“In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be
attended by a bodyguard of lies.[x (https://www.archives.gov/iwg/research-papers/weitzman-remarks-june-1999.html)]” ~Winston S. Churchill

Q Anon (False Prophet):
• alt right belief and behavioral management
• strategic disinformation
• false branding of opposition to the shadow government
• false inside information mixed with truth
• military counterintelligence
• co-opting alt media
• ruination of disclosure (by false association mind programming)
• internet distraction
• propping up frauds to replace the genuine


“...information warfare unit calls ‘chasing the white rabbit’ and in their literature they talk
about the war strategy of leading the enemy down fruitless paths and searches of
information as far as they can go.[x (http://www.vigli.org/Avalon/The-Matrix-Deciphered_Robert-Duncan_Nov-2010_276p.pdf)]” ~Ex-CIA Black Project Engineer Dr. Robert Duncan

Benjamin Fulford (False Prophet):
• false alliance psyop - there is a real aggregate of networks that are opposing the shadow government, unfortunately this was predictable enough that the psyops existed before the opposition was formed
• co-opting of disclosure mind programming (by false association)
• ruining the real disclosure event with counterintelligence
• providing a false sense of victory through absurd disinformation
• fraudulent stories - imitation opposition - false alliance - alt media nonsense


"By telling their secrets their power is eroding.[x (http://trance-formation.com/)][y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvEBmEo4IA0)]" ~Cathy O'Brien


Ashtar & the Galactic Federation of Light:
• fake extraterrestrial contact fueled counterintelligence
• hi-tech mind control based channeled messages framed as cosmic spirits
• alternative media co-opting and controlled opposition
• ruination of occulted truth absorption by false association mind programming (psychologically anchoring in areas that are threatening to the shadow government)
• ascension psyop (replacing Christianity's saviorship model with a new apathy mechanism)
• providing a false sense of victory by asserting evil is being defeated by an imaginary force (while evil runs rampant)
• objective: deceive the public about global first contact when it actually happens (done with mind control program based information warfare)
• the military & intel community are the largest contactee group, not alt media
• predictive programming: the believers and disbelievers are both belief and behavior modified by these psyops. Believers are deluded about extraterrestrials and disbelievers are programmed in an opposite fashion.


"The so-called 'channeled messages' I received claiming to be from my soul family
from the stars were in fact simple radio waves sent by U.S. government agents,..."
Greg Giles, Former Ashtar Channeler

Alien Invasion PSYOP:
• counterintelligence prepping for a major deception versus a legitimate global first contact event
• contrasting occulted truths with strategic disinformation
• mind control is propagating this theory in a weaponized fashion against deepest truth (in other words it is concocted to modify how people react and perceive disclosure with a legitimate extraterrestrial contact)
• the current rendition is a derivation from what Wernher Von Braun said - the psyop has been inverted and weaponized against true extraterrestrial contact rather than a fake alien invasion - what I see is a programming of the planetary population in the area of extraterrestrial contact for when the general public is introduced to galactic society
• fake alien invasion psyop is covertly paired with the false Christ psyop to combat truth absorption during disclosure
• objective: stop alt media from seeing the truth during a disclosure event
• objective: delude alt media with a false sense of the real world picture
• objective: ruin perception of global first contact when it actually happens


See PSYOP.info article Fake Alien Invasion (https://www.psyop.info/2017/05/fake-alien-invasion-psyop-wernher-von-braun.html)

False Christ PSYOP:
• Vatican programming of the public
• reverse psychology (alt media is brainwashing itself)
• framing of the top opposition (this isn't exactly perceivable with what they plan)
• a Vatican False Christ PR Ai is planned (to contrast with reality)
• deeply occulted truths are hidden behind the scenes of this psyop


"The deepest truth is at a disadvantage due to deception being able to appear more 'rational'.
This happens as result of truth being static and potentially outrageous while psychological warfare
options include intentional deceit with rationality as part of it's design." ~Phillip Walker


David Icke (New Age False Messiah):
• fake contact with a non-existent God (the God he speaks to is actually an intelligence community engineered handler Ai)
• pseudo-psychic nature that in reality originates from black ops neural interfacing (powerful brainwashing)
• at the beginning of David Icke's black op (via the products of Project MKUltra) the shadow government created counterpoints to detract from popular "conspiracy theory" - conspiracy information has been branded with his worst ideas
• David Icke was propped up with intentions to replace old age religion and usher in a new era of faux psychic psychological direction and nonsense posed as esoteric truth - e.g. Saturn is the mind control source, "look at the cosmic shape on it, it must be mind controlling us"
• propagates ridiculous disinformation: such as Saturn is what mind controls us (microwave transmitters and RF implants are the real source), the entire universe is a synthetic Ai hologram (yet somehow neural interfacing is unacceptable when the whole universe is technically technology), the spiritual warfare deception (which he has probably deluded millions with), bastardized reptilian information (they have space programs shrouded in illusion, they do this with science), love is the only real thing everything else is illusion (marginalizing what truth is to people and and deluding people about love), infinite love is the only truth (a person's love is scientifically measurable), Queen Elizabeth is a shapeshifting lizard (she is actually a murder target of Prince Philip - the real controlling force in England)
• he is a conspiracy theorist = in modern years the conspiracy theorist demographic buy just about anything conspiratorial (as opposed to conspiracy witnesses/insider whistleblowers)
• focuses on Ai in the future without awareness that it already happened (while we are about 50 years into an Ai based electronic holocaust) - Ai is being pushed forward by the shadow government and David will be correct in thinking the shadow government will do their agenda with it - they plan to align alt media and doomporn Ai propaganda with the transhumanism psyop and the progression of science - one objective with David's handlers is to degrade public opinion of Ai and neural interfacing and replace it with a hi-tech psychological direction model of psychic new age false spirituality
• full spectrum brainwashing of alt media about transhumanism - this PSYOP has been quite effective (I estimate it has achieved nearly a 100% success rate on alt media)
• covertly augmented controlled opposition hypocritically detracting from transhumanism (an augmentation oriented movement)
• deluding alt media about Ai - alt media is incredibly nonsensical about Ai due to mind control assets proliferating transhumanism psyop
• replacing Christianity with new age ideology - replacing Christ with David Icke (note: I am atheist yet this is still my view)


“The best slave is the one who doesn't know of his/her enslavement condition.”
~Adapted Anonymously from a Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Quote

https://image.universalaspects.io/slides/newage-falsespirituality.png

Fake Psychic Controlled Opposition:
• neural interfacing weaponized with a psychic spirituality cover story
• extremely powerful psychological direction and brainwashing ability
• the intelligence community built an alt media faux psychic new age army
• false spirituality 2.0: psychic warfare - alt media belief and behavioral modification
• false spirituality 2.0: black ops technology packaged as supernatural ability - subsequently this hi-tech mind infestation psychologically directs and brainwashes over a period of time until the objectives are reached
• false spirituality 2.0: the new age - the new world order religion


"Even the best resources, human and material, however superbly coordinated,
cannot consummate a successful operation if the overall aim of the total
force and it’s momentum are off target." ~Sun Tzu, The Art of War


Transhumanism PSYOP:
• the shadow government have had exotic technologies and cybernetic networks since approximately the 1970s - the science of consciousness is a sensitive subject for the ruling class cybernetic networks - they have a philosophy of brainwashing and programming the public about their secret society perks
• alternative media/conspiracy theorists/new age demographics are currently full spectrum programmed by this transhumanism psyop, what is happening; imbalance of end game science is being proliferated by controlled opposition in alt media and also via drip fed technology and propaganda releases. The truth in a nutshell: Ai is the deepest science in the universe and neural interfacing is the most intellectual category of technology. These sciences are not truthfully blanket labeled one dimensionally.
• both benevolent extraterrestrials (angels) and evil extraterrestrials (fallen angels) use end game science
• gatekeeping alternative demographics from neural interfacing (neural interfacing: the great disillusionment tool, the ultimate brainwashing tool, and the most intellectual technology in the universe)
• neuroscience technology will be relevant to disclosure - the design of consciousness (neural interfacing) is the top tool to inform a brainwashed, deluded, nescient, and naive public due to it's ability to show someone they are wrong (much better than linguistics)


“… we are in control, because basically we are not a political organization we are an
occult organization. We are working behind the scenes to manipulate the way that people think.
The war that we are waging is a guerrilla war on the human mind.[x (http://www.occult.wiki/index.php?title=Ex-Satanist_Nikolas_Schreck)][y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv9TpLVZZAE)]” ~Ex-Satanist Nikolas Schreck

[Justplain]

In summary, what Omni is pointing out, is that Russia, RT and Putin are part of the controlled opposition. In other words, they wont betray the current paradigm because their controllers wont let them.

It is widely understood in the alt community that most countries, including Russia and China, are involved in the secret space program, and know about zero point energy and anti-gravity. They havent disclosed because they are compromised.

Disclosure happened atleast with Dr. Greers 2001 press conference. Well known people, like Paul Hellyer, go around telling truth about the alien presence, and many take heed. There still has not been a mass 'aha' moment
However, I think this process is one of attrition of the old guard. The old energy will die out even while still making money from alien tech and the old fossil fuel paradigm. Even with the evil alien agenda they will lose cuz we collectively want them to fail. It just may take a generation or two to realize.

[Did You See Them]

So to disclosure? We cannot insist on it, when we don't know what it is we are asking for.

Another angle on that: :)

If we did ask, and somehow got a detailed, truthful answer, we might not like it... at ALL.

I think this is more than likely the "problem" with disclosing the "visitors " presence !

[Justplain]

So to disclosure? We cannot insist on it, when we don't know what it is we are asking for.
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Another angle on that: :)

If we did ask, and somehow got a detailed, truthful answer, we might not like it... at ALL.

I think this is more than likely the "problem" with disclosing the "visitors " presence !

Yes, the truth of the matter is that atleast for a significant portion of human/alien interaction, we are simply farm livestock for them. Obviously there has to be some good aliens, but the malelovant ones have had their way for a long time. This may be changing, now, however, if my sources and intuition are correct.

[Bill Ryan]

This may be wandering as little off-topic (though it's hard to draw the boundaries!):

My thoughts about what's really going on, that the military-intel apparatus are wrestling with (and feel we can't handle the truth about), may be complex, dangerous, and more-than-highly-strange interdimensional events such are witnessed at the Skinwalker Ranch.

And this IS directly connected with the UFO phenomenon.

We now know from Jeremy Corbell that the DIA is very actively interested in Skinwalker (which means there are issues of national security, go figure), and that most of the now-famous $22 million generated by Harry Reid did NOT go to AATIP, but went to Skinwalker research under the direction of Bob Bigelow.

Put all those pieces together, and it seems to me to show clearly that the core issue (and maybe the 'threat') is an interdimensional presence (or maybe, quite a number of them, all different) that's pretty much just a few inches away from us all the time. And, that can come here any time it wants, and can do whatever it wants.

Jacques Vallee may have been right all along, and the core issues have nothing to do with visitors from other planets coming here in their metal spaceships to take a look at how we're getting along.

How does the President (of the US, or Russia, or China!) hold a press conference about that??

[Valerie Villars]

Put all those pieces together, and it seems to me to show clearly that the core issue (and maybe the 'threat') is an interdimensional presence (or maybe, quite a number of them, all different) that's pretty much just a few inches away from us all the time. And, that can come here any time it wants, and can do whatever it wants.

Jacques Vallee may have been right all along, and the core issues have nothing to do with visitors from other planets coming here in their metal spaceships to take a look at how we're getting along.

I am SURE you are correct about this Bill. 100% positive. Believe me, it's not an easy thing to handle when you get exposed to it. It is mind blowing as many can attest to.

[Eric J (Viking)]

So to disclosure? We cannot insist on it, when we don't know what it is we are asking for.

Another angle on that: :)

If we did ask, and somehow got a detailed, truthful answer, we might not like it... at ALL.

Whatever answer they give us, how do we know it's the truth. It would appear that 'lying' is their middle name.

Viking

[rodguy911]

I don't see disclosure ever. What govt. is going to admit they have been lying to us for decades if not centuries. As John Leer alluded to, bottom line, it's all about religion.
Most can not make the trip form the bible which as Leer says had been heavily edited to the eTs to we are their lab experiment and they come by to tweak us now and then.
much less will anyone want to hear the Michael Sala stories of how the Germans beat us to the punch and really have run the show with the help of the bad aliens for some time.
Only a few priveleged will know the real stories and possibly over the decades slowly but surely some of the real story will start to leak out.That will be all the disclosure we will
ever get.

[thepainterdoug]

Dear Valerie/ in several posts, you have alluded to a most powerful experience you have had. Is there anywhere you have posted or documented this experience for me to read? many thanks / d

[thepainterdoug]

I have always felt that world governments have to be in agreement about this topic of disclosure. And because of that, in order for them to collectively agree, they must communicate and align ,in light of a bigger picture for them. I have then always found it strange that they could really be serious about destroying each other. Therefore, we are being played.

[Innocent Warrior]

it's all an actBingo (well pretty much, they’re also played against each other by the shadow rulers/cabal/secret societies - more leverage for the cabal to control them with when there’s a real arch-rival to contend with, because of secrecy).

Disclosure doesn’t start with the politicians, they’ve been covering random stories every now and then in the mainstream news for years and now it’s well and truly on its way to mainstream with documentaries in film.

First they need to build the narrative and then whatever comes out through the authorities will be about what a generation before them did, giving the impression they had nothing to do with it, so they can keep their hands clean while they deliver their spin on it.

I see these films as an indication of what the official narrative will be and it’s getting pretty interesting. The best example I’ve seen is what’s on Amazon’s Prime Video, 26 million US subscribers in early 2017 and received broadcaster of the year from Diversity In Media in the UK last year.

An example, from their top movies section, is Anunnaki.

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To name a few other titles; Aliens In Egypt, The Underground (Phil Schneider story), Beyond The Spectrum (what NASA has filmed in the invisible light spectrums), Alien Reptilian Legacy, Alien Crash Retrievals and more.

They also have loads on the NWO, mind control, occult, surveillance, and 911 btw. A trailer for A Conspiracy To Rule: The Illuminati -
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ruletheilluminati.


https://vimeo.com/200090248
To name a few other titles; The One World Agenda: The Illuminati, A Secret History: The Making of America, American Illuminati, Bilderberg, In Google We Trust, 911: Experts Speak Out, A Conspiracy of Lies: From Flight 370 To 911, Mind Control: MKULTRA, The SS and the Occult and much, much more.

It varies a little with UFOs and aliens but generally the narrative being formed is; they’re real, they’re here, and they’re threatening.

The narrative building for the cabal is; they’re real, they own us, they’re destroying us, and there’s nothing we can do about it.

I don’t know if 26 million US subscribers and something like 60 million worldwide is considered mainstream but it’s certainly not fringe and it’s definitely being presented as a serious subject.

It’s what they want us to believe and it may not be in the form being discussed here, but disclosure is happening.

[pigsy2400]

So to disclosure? We cannot insist on it, when we don't know what it is we are asking for.

Another angle on that: :)

If we did ask, and somehow got a detailed, truthful answer, we might not like it... at ALL.

Whatever answer they give us, how do we know it's the truth. It would appear that 'lying' is their middle name.

Viking

I've always found it odd that the UFO community in general has always said that the US government has been lying and covering up the "truth" since 1947 (there are many cases way back before then but wont post that here) and then in the same breath demands "Disclosure" from the very same source that they believe has been lying and covering up?!

What if, the truth was actually far removed from what the mainstream alternative perspective on what the truth is/was... and if disclosure ever did occur, would we recognise it / agree / accept it?

If the hypothesis that the truth was "biological entities that have travelled the stars" turned out to be totally untrue, there would still be backlash from people that already believe that and they would reject it, as I stated previous, people have to examine their own bias and question themselves and how they came to that conclusion in the first place.

We need to examine, how we have arrived at the conclusions we have?

I must be clear I am no de-bunker, very very far from it and I think that will become more clear in time. But questioning ourselves and formation and origins of our own opinions really needs to happen before anything else..

-D-

[Justplain]

Our problem in discerning the truth about ETs being here, is that our mainstream science is pubescent and cannot comprehend how reality really works. When i was growing up, this universe was the only universe and nothing could travel faster than the speed of light. Now science admits there's a multiverse and atleast quantum entanglement is faster than light. Based upon our ignorance, i believe /know it is safe to assume that biological entities can travel the stars. If we could only remember our past lives well enough we'd remember doing it numerous, numerous times.

[Eric J (Viking)]

So to disclosure? We cannot insist on it, when we don't know what it is we are asking for.

Another angle on that: :)

If we did ask, and somehow got a detailed, truthful answer, we might not like it... at ALL.

Whatever answer they give us, how do we know it's the truth. It would appear that 'lying' is their middle name.

Viking

I've always found it odd that the UFO community in general has always said that the US government has been lying and covering up the "truth" since 1947 (there are many cases way back before then but wont post that here) and then in the same breath demands "Disclosure" from the very same source that they believe has been lying and covering up?!

What if, the truth was actually far removed from what the mainstream alternative perspective on what the truth is/was... and if disclosure ever did occur, would we recognise it / agree / accept it?

If the hypothesis that the truth was "biological entities that have travelled the stars" turned out to be totally untrue, there would still be backlash from people that already believe that and they would reject it, as I stated previous, people have to examine their own bias and question themselves and how they came to that conclusion in the first place.

We need to examine, how we have arrived at the conclusions we have?

I must be clear I am no de-bunker, very very far from it and I think that will become more clear in time. But questioning ourselves and formation and origins of our own opinions really needs to happen before anything else..

-D-

Disclosure about ET to me is simple.

Come clean about past communication with ET.

Admit and accept their technology is superior to ours.

Acknowledge ET are abundant and the Universe is teeming with all types of beings and life.

Admit that we have been 'the people of the lie' ... :ohwell: oh well I suppose the first 4 would suffice.

Viking

[hermit]

May I please ask a (possibly) redundant question?

What, exactly, is supposed to be disclosed? And what purpose is disclosure supposed to serve, and to whom?

[Eric J (Viking)]

May I please ask a (possibly) redundant question?

What, exactly, is supposed to be disclosed? And what purpose is disclosure supposed to serve, and to whom?

I've copied this from radeev's OP...

The ET cover up is in my view the most important conspiracy. I think it eclipses everything else by a few magnitudes. Why? Because if the ET presence was either admitted by the governments or documented beyond doubt by the mainstream media then the number 1 societal priority would naturally end up becoming achieving energy freedom. Positive ETs would probably be willing to help us achieve that noble goal, given the positive ramifications stemming from it (if the entire world population demanded those solutions it would become impossible for bad people to keep that technology for themselves). Even if they could not to help us the knowledge of disclosure would force narrow-minded people to open up, and thus it would be only a matter of time before promising technologies would become commercially viable. Speaking of commerce, solving the energy problem would also to a large degree if not completely solve the monetary problem, because there would be much less scarcity of everything when you have free energy lying around. Yes, maybe not all problems would cease, but things would drastically improve to the point that it would be hard perpetuate fake wars on terror etc. So this is why I argue it\s the most important conspiracy.

Viking

[Bill Ryan]

May I please ask a (possibly) redundant question?

What, exactly, is supposed to be disclosed? And what purpose is disclosure supposed to serve, and to whom?

Good questions. The wish list might be the following...


We know there is intelligent, civilized, technologically advanced like on other planets.
We have communicated with them, and we understand some of their technology.
Among the advances we now understand and can replicate are anti-gravity and free energy generators.
We have successfully incorporated some of this advanced technology into our own hitherto classified spacecraft, with which we successfully established a base on Mars in the 1960s, before the Apollo moon landings.
We have explored our entire solar system, and some advanced craft we have designed are now exploring other solar systems.
We now know that mankind was visited in the ancient past, and those encounters account for a number of myths and legends of 'gods' in many cultures.

But what comes next is this.


Some of the visitors have bases on our planet both in remote areas and under the ocean, and have been here for thousands of years.
Some of the visitors have genetically engineered the human race in the distant past. We are actually another race's genetic modification, for reasons unknown.
Some of the visitors are hostile to humanity, while other visitors are neither hostile nor friendly, but merely self-serving and opportunistic.
Some of the visitors appear to be time-traveling future humans, but we do not understand this well at this moment.
Some of the visitors appear to be interdimensional, and are not actually traveling here from other planets in our galaxy. Some of our scientists are concerned that these phenomena are demonic.
Alien abductions and cattle mutilations are all real, and we have no way of stopping them. We suspect there is also a hybridization program to create a new race of humans, which we do not yet understand.
On many occasions since the 1940s, we (the US authorities) have murdered, blackmailed, lied and deceived in order to protect humanity from all this information.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Or they might disclose that they found where they keep our real bodies while we are hooked up to our holographic lives...

[pigsy2400]

or its a lie... I cannot honestly see all of the worlds superpowers and others agreeing all together and coming to the same conclusion. Most countries cant agree what labels need to be on foods or immigration on borders, let alone something as potentially as important as disclosure..

whatever disclosure is..

[Mari]

or its a lie... I cannot honestly see all of the worlds superpowers and others agreeing all together and coming to the same conclusion. Most countries cant agree what labels need to be on foods or immigration on borders, let alone something as potentially as important as disclosure..

whatever disclosure is..

Neither can I. What about this scenario then: maybe the world’s ‘superpowers’ (not ‘super’ because I believe there’s a benign force on this planet way above them in the evolutionary process – the same force that will prevent any nuclear war from breaking out) that will metaphorically bang all the world’s leaders heads together & give them the truth & how to how to present it - when the time comes. That time is not yet. We have a lot of ‘evolving’ of ourselves to do before that reality arrives…
Just one of many scenarios presented here & admittedly very naïve, but sometimes the truth can be very simple indeed.
Just my take.

[Star Tsar]

Could disclosure not come from a company?

[lunaflare]

We have communicated with them, and we understand some of their technology.

This is one aspect and a huge one in our world which is focused upon money-making-material riches.

But what of the heart?
The part of being human that feels--This is the enduring and most potent energy and power.
The unbridled focus upon Technology is what brought the great fall of Atlantis--so the mythology tells.

[hermit]

*Great answers, but I'm still unclear as to how disclosure would better suite someone who knew the "information".

My thought is, if the actual disclosing of the information would not have an advantage (financial or otherwise), then why would the idea of disclosure even be entertained?

Unless, slight disclosures could be used as a measuring stick that would benefit those who had the information?

*We* have ideas of what could be disclosed. We have conclusions we've made based on sundry information that's been collected over the past sixty or so years, but how can we be certain any of that information is correct?

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the least speculation is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation. (from the great book of knowledge on all things, Wikipedia)

In this case, Is it simpler to assume that there is information regarding what we are considering that is yet to be disclosed, or that the people we are assuming are in a position to give the information via disclosure are equally in the dark about this?

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Keeping in mind this is speculative, and theoretical, what is a simpler assumption?

That there is a conspiracy regarding this information, or that the conspiracy simply does not exist?

[Justplain]

Wondering about the value of disclosure comes down to how much you value the truth. Knowing that the world is round only has limited value in our daily lives unless you work for an airline, or shipping company, etc. Would knowing the truth about abductions and mutilations 'help' us? Would knowing the real truth of what happened on 9/11 'help' us?

Well, for one thing, knowing who really 'did' 9/11 would undo some of the damage (for instance, the repeal of the 'patriot' act) and perhaps bring some psychopaths to justice.

Knowledge that some of Earth's governments have communicated with aliens, and extracted some high tech in the process, would likely lead to a public demand for 'sharing the wealth'. That would have 'value'. Although, knowing the truth has enough value for me.

[Omni]

My thought is, if the actual disclosing of the information would not have an advantage (financial or otherwise), then why would the idea of disclosure even be entertained?
The positive side of galactic society is a key motivating factor. There are a lot of agendas involved including the shadow government (e.g. the vatican, the military and intel community, the occultist networks), evil extraterrestrials (e.g. reptiles, greys, human tall whites, and other scary looking ones), benevolent extraterrestrials (e.g. humans of the galaxy).

A fake disclosure is likely coming up with monstrously evil intentions. There is a necessity in the event to not be brainwashed. This is incredibly threatening because the sophistication of what is about to happen is far beyond the ability of people to understand and process correctly. The Ai involved is too advanced for the general public to not be confused, wrong, and/or weaponized for at least some time.

The brainwashing objectives are too obscene and sick to be believed. The truths of the event are too incredulous and occulted for a clear representation of it right away. Cosmic ideology is not known on this planet and people think they have the truth (or people's hard earned ideology will be thefted with hi-tech psyop imposters getting cybernetics or thought injection of cosmic ideology). Throughout history people have been weaponized against those that bring the truth. There will probably be an elevation of frauds and hopefully a revealing of the truth before it gets too evil and the public is terminally brainwashed into ruining the planetary history of the event (perhaps billions of years of civilization looking back at this event due to it being such a cosmic normality - global first contact)...

I feel pretty hopeless about it myself, but am continuing on.

[Justplain]

My thought is, if the actual disclosing of the information would not have an advantage (financial or otherwise), then why would the idea of disclosure even be entertained?
The positive side of galactic society is a key motivating factor. There are a lot of agendas involved including the shadow government (e.g. the vatican, the military and intel community, the occultist networks), evil extraterrestrials (e.g. reptiles, greys, human tall whites, and other scary looking ones), benevolent extraterrestrials (e.g. humans of the galaxy).

A fake disclosure is likely coming up with monstrously evil intentions. There is a necessity in the event to not be brainwashed. This is incredibly threatening because the sophistication of what is about to happen is far beyond the ability of people to understand and process correctly. The Ai involved is too advanced for the general public to not be confused, wrong, and/or weaponized for at least some time.

The brainwashing objectives are too obscene and sick to be believed. The truths of the event are too incredulous and occulted for a clear representation of it right away. Cosmic ideology is not known on this planet and people think they have the truth (or people's hard earned ideology will be thefted with hi-tech psyop imposters getting cybernetics or thought injection of cosmic ideology). Throughout history people have been weaponized against those that bring the truth. There will probably be an elevation of frauds and hopefully a revealing of the truth before it gets too evil and the public is terminally brainwashed into ruining the planetary history of the event (perhaps billions of years of civilization looking back at this event due to it being such a cosmic normality - global first contact)...

I feel pretty hopeless about it myself, but am continuing on.

Omni, assuming that a psy-op fake disclosure is in the works, and that the most sophisticated AI and holographic tech is used, are you thinking that these tricksters (whether human or ET or a combo of both) are going to paint an 'aggressive evil' ET picture that requires a military response? That type of scenario would serve numerous purposes:

a) create mass fear and make people willingly give up their freedoms for 'protection'
b) permit the military/industrial complex to run up huge government defense expenditures
c) poison Earthlings' views of the galactic community

This being the potential disasterous outcome of a false flag first contact, i cannot fathon why the good ETs wouldnt just initiate contact as soon as possible? Instead of letting the cabal and their evil ETs, that want to turn us into a cyborg/AI collective, write the 'first contact' narrative, the benevolent human ETs should take the risk of initiating first contact early, even if they think that we arent ready, imho. We could tell if they are genuine by their actions, by the way they present themselves, by what they offer, which should be with few if any strings attached. They should also offer to show us their worlds and communities.

The alternative is humanity being railroaded into subservience while they hold no hope of a humane galactic community to help them.

[Mari]

My thought is, if the actual disclosing of the information would not have an advantage (financial or otherwise), then why would the idea of disclosure even be entertained?
The positive side of galactic society is a key motivating factor. There are a lot of agendas involved including the shadow government (e.g. the vatican, the military and intel community, the occultist networks), evil extraterrestrials (e.g. reptiles, greys, human tall whites, and other scary looking ones), benevolent extraterrestrials (e.g. humans of the galaxy).

A fake disclosure is likely coming up with monstrously evil intentions. There is a necessity in the event to not be brainwashed. This is incredibly threatening because the sophistication of what is about to happen is far beyond the ability of people to understand and process correctly. The Ai involved is too advanced for the general public to not be confused, wrong, and/or weaponized for at least some time.

The brainwashing objectives are too obscene and sick to be believed. The truths of the event are too incredulous and occulted for a clear representation of it right away. Cosmic ideology is not known on this planet and people think they have the truth (or people's hard earned ideology will be thefted with hi-tech psyop imposters getting cybernetics or thought injection of cosmic ideology). Throughout history people have been weaponized against those that bring the truth. There will probably be an elevation of frauds and hopefully a revealing of the truth before it gets too evil and the public is terminally brainwashed into ruining the planetary history of the event (perhaps billions of years of civilization looking back at this event due to it being such a cosmic normality - global first contact)...

I feel pretty hopeless about it myself, but am continuing on.

Omni, assuming that a psy-op fake disclosure is in the works, and that the most sophisticated AI and holographic tech is used, are you thinking that these tricksters (whether human or ET or a combo of both) are going to paint an 'aggressive evil' ET picture that requires a military response? That type of scenario would serve numerous purposes:

a) create mass fear and make people willingly give up their freedoms for 'protection'
b) permit the military/industrial complex to run up huge government defense expenditures
c) poison Earthlings' views of the galactic community

This being the potential disasterous outcome of a false flag first contact, i cannot fathon why the good ETs wouldnt just initiate contact as soon as possible? Instead of letting the cabal and their evil ETs, that want to turn us into a cyborg/AI collective, write the 'first contact' narrative, the benevolent human ETs should take the risk of initiating first contact early, even if they think that we arent ready, imho. We could tell if they are genuine by their actions, by the way they present themselves, by what they offer, which should be with few if any strings attached. They should also offer to show us their worlds and communities.

The alternative is humanity being railroaded into subservience while they hold no hope of a humane galactic community to help them.


I don’t think that the benevolent ETs (more powerful than we give them credit for) will ever allow a negative ET false flag event to dominate. I think it would’ve already happened by now if we hadn’t had this ‘protection’, just like the defence we are having against a nuclear war being started.

Protection aside, there is a huge risk that, if it were to go ahead anyway, a significant part of the population – now very sceptical - would be able to see through the illusion & tear it down brick by brick & if that were to happen, the domino effect would take hold & it would be truly game over for all the dirty tricks that have been played against us. I think the cabal knows this & it could be one of the reasons they will not initiate this.

This is not to say that the ET's will come & 'save' us, that is definitely not their job, but I feel their remit is to level the playing field for us to do the deed ourselves.

[radeev]

I think playing the "aliens is evil" card would backfire completely. Unless the plan involves taking down the Internet, the electricity grid and severe communications, etc, then I think too many people are aware of this plan for it to work. We would be able to prove how the plan existed before it was fully implemented. And if they took down the Internet how would they manage to control the flow of information? Now, if they were crazy enough to actually act out the plan and started destroying cities and killing hundreds of millions of people, then I guess they could might succeed, but I don´t think the other ETs would allow such a genocide.

+ although most people are still in the dark about the ET presence, they are still the same kind of people as us. Once the initial set of potential panic and confusion settles, I think it´s very irrational to conclude evil ETs would suddenly openly invade us. If evil ETs really could invade Earth openly, they would either already have done it or there would be absolutely nothing we could do to stop them. If another race was advanced enough to travel here from far away, they would also be smart enough to have done enough infiltration and observation of our society prior to invading to know exactly what kind of opposition they would be facing. They would already have won before the war started. Then again, invading seems like such an inefficient way of gaining control of something. Much better and easier to gain control through manipulation, subterfuge, etc. Look at US foreign policy today, they don´t invade "evil" countries which already accept them as masters. I don´t think anyone would be fooled by the false flag alien attack if you took the full debate on the ramifications on that.

I am beginning to think the reason for instance RT doesn´t do disclosure is because there is already a plan in place, and that plan requires increased acceptance of the notion we are not alone to begin with. the ETs don´t want to force their presence upon us (otherwise they would have landed openly already), so they might not wanna show their faces to the cameras before more people expect that. and without "live proof", what´s the point of stating that which is already known?

[pigsy2400]

This may be wandering as little off-topic (though it's hard to draw the boundaries!):

My thoughts about what's really going on, that the military-intel apparatus are wrestling with (and feel we can't handle the truth about), may be complex, dangerous, and more-than-highly-strange interdimensional events such are witnessed at the Skinwalker Ranch.

And this IS directly connected with the UFO phenomenon.

We now know from Jeremy Corbell that the DIA is very actively interested in Skinwalker (which means there are issues of national security, go figure), and that most of the now-famous $22 million generated by Harry Reid did NOT go to AATIP, but went to Skinwalker research under the direction of Bob Bigelow.

Put all those pieces together, and it seems to me to show clearly that the core issue (and maybe the 'threat') is an interdimensional presence (or maybe, quite a number of them, all different) that's pretty much just a few inches away from us all the time. And, that can come here any time it wants, and can do whatever it wants.

Jacques Vallee may have been right all along, and the core issues have nothing to do with visitors from other planets coming here in their metal spaceships to take a look at how we're getting along.

How does the President (of the US, or Russia, or China!) hold a press conference about that??

I personally think that SWR was not related to any high strangeness. I think it was more of a DARPA / DIA test on humans and the monitoring of said humans who were expecting to see something. It was the DIA that approached Bigleow first, not the other way around as some have suggested.

Security guards at SWR had to provide urine samples at the end of each shift? why...?

I would postulate that some sort of DARPA program where human subjects, were bombarded with specific EM / MM frequencies, with the expectations already set in place to see "something" maybe this was heightened by some that was purposely targeted at them.

I don't believe that the monitoring equipment there was to catch anything phenomena related (in the end it didn't) it was to monitor the people there.

Quite a few of the original NIDs scientists and researchers were already "experiencers" - best place to put them is somewhere where phenomena is more likely to happen....so it may have been two fold in terms of purpose and potential results.

[Praxis]

May I please ask a (possibly) redundant question?

What, exactly, is supposed to be disclosed? And what purpose is disclosure supposed to serve, and to whom?

Good questions. The wish list might be the following...


We know there is intelligent, civilized, technologically advanced like on other planets.
We have communicated with them, and we understand some of their technology.
Among the advances we now understand and can replicate are anti-gravity and free energy generators.
We have successfully incorporated some of this advanced technology into our own hitherto classified spacecraft, with which we successfully established a base on Mars in the 1960s, before the Apollo moon landings.
We have explored our entire solar system, and some advanced craft we have designed are now exploring other solar systems.
We now know that mankind was visited in the ancient past, and those encounters account for a number of myths and legends of 'gods' in many cultures.

But what comes next is this.


Some of the visitors have bases on our planet both in remote areas and under the ocean, and have been here for thousands of years.
Some of the visitors have genetically engineered the human race in the distant past. We are actually another race's genetic modification, for reasons unknown.
Some of the visitors are hostile to humanity, while other visitors are neither hostile nor friendly, but merely self-serving and opportunistic.
Some of the visitors appear to be time-traveling future humans, but we do not understand this well at this moment.
Some of the visitors appear to be interdimensional, and are not actually traveling here from other planets in our galaxy. Some of our scientists are concerned that these phenomena are demonic.
Alien abductions and cattle mutilations are all real, and we have no way of stopping them. We suspect there is also a hybridization program to create a new race of humans, which we do not yet understand.
On many occasions since the 1940s, we (the US authorities) have murdered, blackmailed, lied and deceived in order to protect humanity from all this information.


Bill,

I would like to make a sincere request of you.

You just outlined an incredible series of videos or articles or book.

If you were to move through that bullet point list and go into depth about why you feel you can say these things, you would create a fantastic resource for people.

Or take this list, and add sub point for each with links to point in the right direction.
What a great post!

[pigsy2400]

What if its all social engineering?

Tavistock 2.0?
An investigation into belief systems and how to control a large group of people, seeding ideas into society to see what "memes" stick and what ideas thrive and which ones die. Maybe all of these working groups, see it as a game. A leader board so to speak...

If aliens are a possibility.. then the probability of it being social engineering is much higher, purely from a mathematical / probability perspective...

[amor]

My final thought on WHO is behind the NWO and AGENDA 21 is as follows: At the top is the ALIEN DEMONIC ORDER. Under that is the Rockefeller/Rothschild Bankers who are being used as tools to bring about Global Genocide and create space for the Demonic Takeover. I first read elsewhere that the Rothschild's have access to spacecraft and facilities on the Moon. We read of a Demonic Mind Controlling device housed at the United Nations. I think this is to take over the brains of world leaders who will then carry out the Agenda of the Demonic Order. Fires from weapons from space, etc., are all part of carrying out the Agenda. They wish to control every action and product of life on earth. The power of control is the power to destroy.

[amor]

TO THE ALIEN MESSENGERS: Personally, my answer is YES, SHOW YOURSELVES FOR BETTER OR WORSE. IT IS TIME TO GET A MOVE ON.

[ikkibu]

I feel the same way, when asked if i want them to come I almost started crying and said yes immediately inside. Feels like my true family I have lost for a while and now my brothers and sisters are reaching out. :inlove:

[Cara]

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