Chretien says rise of 'unspeakable' Trump marks end of the American empire

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Most of you have probably never heard of Jean Chretien who was a prime minister of Canada for 10 years. He tells it the way it is and really doesn't care what anyone thinks.
He's onto something here....
chancy


Link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/chretien-says-rise-apos-unspeakable-210238237.html

Article:
Chretien says rise of 'unspeakable' Trump marks end of the American empire

The Canadian Press - October 9, 2018
Chretien says rise of 'unspeakable' Trump marks end of the American empireChretien says rise of 'unspeakable' Trump marks end of the American empire
Chretien says rise of 'unspeakable' Trump marks end of the American empire

OTTAWA — Jean Chretien says Donald Trump is "unspeakable" and his rise to the U.S. presidency heralds the decline of the American empire.

Chretien unleashes that unflattering opinion of Trump in a new book of anecdotes from his 10 years as Canada's prime minister.

Although it's entitled "My Stories, My Times," Chretien, who retired from politics in 2003 after winning three majority mandates, does not shy away from opining on current events — most notably on Trump.

In the preface, Chretien says writing the book over the past year helped him recover his serenity when he got "tired of observing the surrealist vagaries of President Trump and of listening to his nonsense."

"It's been very sad to observe the monumental error our neighbours to the south made in November 2016," he writes in a later chapter, in which he recounts happy times he and his wife, Aline, have spent with former U.S. president Bill Clinton and his wife, Hillary, who was defeated by Trump.

"I fear that Hillary's defeat, and the arrival of the fanatical Trump, mark the true end of the American Empire. You can understand why Aline and I are so happy to have the Clintons as friends, and almost as proud to be removed as far as possible from the unspeakable Donald Trump."

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau — aware that it doesn't take much to set off the mercurial president, who is not above threatening to wreak economic "ruination" on Canada — has always been very guarded in speaking about Trump. But Chretien, now 84 and still active as a lawyer with Dentons, is not so constrained.

In an interview about his new book, Chretien elaborated on his view that the American empire is on the decline.

"You know, you see the emergence of the Chinese and the decline of America," he told The Canadian Press.

"When I'm travelling the world, I feel that their influence is going down very rapidly."

Chretien said the protectionist, America-first Trump administration is trying to break the international order "that has created prosperity around the world since the (1940s)" and is causing concern among traditional allies as the U.S. withdraws from the Iran denuclearization agreement, among other international pacts.

"If you want to be in isolation, that's fine. But you have less influence."

The rise and eventual fall of superpowers is natural and inevitable, Chretien added.

"You know, empires disappear. A lot of people are nostalgic about the British empire. A lot of people in France still dream of Napoleon; he's dead since a long time. Life is like that."

Chretien also weighed in on the renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, which Trump has renamed the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement. The 14 months of tortuous negotiations and repeated threats by Trump to rip up NAFTA and impose ruinous auto tariffs on Canada turned out to be "a lot of talk for nothing," he said.

"He changed the name and not much else," Chretien said, adding that the NAFTA partners made "a little bit of an adjustment but basically we still have a free trade agreement with them that will work about the same way that it was working before."

In the book, Chretien says last year's white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., "exposed to us the true face of Donald Trump."

The rally was staged ostensibly to protest the removal of Confederate symbols but white nationalists and other far-right extremists chanted racist and anti-Semitic slogans and carried guns and Nazi symbols. Violent clashes with counter-protesters erupted, leaving one woman dead.

Trump refused to explicitly denounce the white supremacists, choosing instead to condemn hatred and bigotry "on many sides" and claiming that there were "very fine people on both sides" of the clashes.

While Chretien writes that no country is immune to "backsliding where social values are concerned" and Canada must remain vigilant, he said in the interview that Canada has avoided the kind of polarization plaguing the U.S. because "we have much better institutions."

For example, he pointed to the heavily politicized appointment process for judges in the U.S., where the recent confirmation of Trump Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh became a circus amid accusations of sexual misconduct when he was a teenager. The judicial system in Canada has remained largely untouched by politicization.

"I never knew if the chief justice voted for me and I never asked her," Chretien said, referring Beverley McLachlin whom he named chief justice of the Supreme Court of Canada in 2000. She retired last December.

Joan Bryden, The Canadian Press

[robinr1]

absolutely terrible article.Also, he doesnt tell it the way it is he just gives his opinion.

[Soullight]

I have friends in other countires and their news and media sources about Trump is just like ours, totally and blantantly biased against Trump. Seems like good ol’ Americans (the silent majority) who actually know what’s going on get it.

Trump has many character and personality flaws. He does and says silly things. He has also done many distasteful things and things he should admit and appologize for. Not to mention flip flop politically over the years. So it takes a certain degree of discernment and careful observation to see what has been happening with the now “President Trump”.

Mainly it’s what he is “doing” that matters most. America is a safer, stronger and richer place because of him and even if much of the world doesn’t like him, they respect him. Plus honestly, Trump is not only America’s last chance but the worlds last chance to defeat the Globialist cabal (aka Illuminati).

Otherwise we are ALL being played by Trump, which if true, would mean he is controlled by the Cabal. And all of the bias and emotionalism triggered by and against Trump is just to distract and keep the sheeple looking over there while the Cabal destroys us once and for all.

I know of no other political leader OR country that isn’t part of the Cabal, or being played by the Cabal, and has any chance to save their countries, not to mention the world.

STAY AWAKE! :sherlock:

[Flash]

Chretien pretty much says what most ordinary folks here are thinking and posting on facebook.

And personnalky, I do not think that Trump is good for the US and the world, and still less Clinton. In fact, the decline of the American empire is mostly shown through the lack of choice for leaders, and the incredibly corrupted politics. Lobbies and more are destroying your country.

Most outside US have no idea about Clinton corruption.

All that said, the book in question is written by someone who was himself accused of corruption, whose daughter is married in the richest Canadian family and who is from the cabal. Definitely a globalist.

But... , on the other hand, you are all dreaming in colors or asleep on the light switch if you think Trump is good for America, my opinion.

Lots of you guys have been thoroughly brainwashed regarding your politics and also regarding the rest of the world. An outsider’s opinion who has access to more information just by being outside the US news channels. You cannot even know how little information you have. Sad.

[ramus]

Here we go again .. POLITICS .. Jean Chretien. Has been out of office for 15 years, so i would have to think that Trumps 2 years in office they crossed paths never.
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"I fear that Hillary's defeat, and the arrival of the fanatical Trump, mark the true end of the American Empire. You can understand why Aline and I are so happy to have the Clintons as friends, and almost as proud to be removed as far as possible from the unspeakable Donald Trump."

Pretty objective writing. Won't be reading this book, but i might re-watch the K hearings instead........ ha ha .

[Sierra]

I remember reading two items in the last twenty years that seem to fit the downfall scenario regardless of the current American regime.

One item stated that for the world to enjoy the same benefits the U.S. does, it would require the resources of TWELVE earth planets. Now that is mind bending.

The second item is that the destruction of the U.S. economy is a long planned event by the Illuminati or one faction of the Illuminati.

What with the low birthrate, the aged infrastructure not being addressed except with sweet words, the blocking of immigration, the migration of most manufacturing industries, the destruction of our educational system (including a system of higher education that puts you in thirty years of debt), with the consequent result of a vanishing middle class, and an ignorant populace, I’m not sure what other result to expect.

Then there is our war based economy, and war mongering, where we ally ourselves with fellow warmonger customers, alienate international business and trade with tariffs that will result in less spending power for a majority of citizens already under the financial gun...

But we need that wall, right?

And no doubt we will need a wall the length of Canada eventually, can’t have our handmaidens make it across the border, lol.

Then there is the fouling of our own nest, our home, our planet...

I have no answers, just a feeling what is coming over the horizon is not going to be pleasant.

I am glad for the charmed life I have led, I am grateful I never had children, and I am relieved I am old.

“Apre moi, le deluge”, might be the appropriate meme these days.

Aw rats. What a demise. Never thought I’d see us come to this. So many things to fix, 2/3rds of our tax money goes to the military, so little time to turn things around... and an enormous, focused and intelligent effort to repair our systems does not seem to be in the Illuminati Tarot deck.

:facepalm:

[T Smith]

The end of the American Empire is a good thing, no?

[Justplain]

Funny, i never liked chretien. He lied like a rug to get elected ('i will rip up the gst tax' [a value added tax introduced by the previous regime] and never did). He is definitely in bed with the wealthy globalists (as said above, his daughter is married to a Desmarais, the wealthiest canadian family who harboured france's sarkozy whilst he avoided arrest). Also, I wouldnt be proud of a friendship with the Clintons and their lolita express.

Chretien, being a 'liberal', is the ideological equivalent of a democrat. Thus his slagging of Trump (who is a rothchild chattel, btw). The liberals/democrats are just fascists with socialist window dressing. Chretien did nothing earth shattering during his tenure as pm except permit his finance minister to balance the budget (using the gst he promised to axe but did not).

Chretien, a retired liberal prime minister, works for the same law firm as stephen harper, another retired conservative prime minister. This just demonstrates that they work for the same people.

Under chretien, @2000, a department of the canadian federal government donated $100m to the trudeau foundation, whom the current prime minister is a beneficiary.

This web of intrigue and deceit displays what chretien is, a crook. Dont listen to a word he says.

[Soullight]

I think everyone on the forum probably wants to see an end to corruption, the end of the "Illuminati" cabal, and the best systems in place to allow each of us to flourish. It's the details of how we get there that causes so much contention.

First: I am of the opinion that ALL of our world's problems are, at their source, derived by the hidden hand of off world or dimensional beings/aliens, maybe even spiritual beings, and has been this way for a very longtime. The reason the few have the power as well as why every main power institution is messed up is due to the hidden hand.

As such, unlike proponents who believe we humans need to fix our selves first in order to have any hope of resolving all of our problems, I feel intervention from powers that are equal to or higher than these alien hidden hands IS NEEDED first. And once the source of the cancer is removed then we humans can work on the clean up because the playing field is now fair again.

Second: I think we are being assisted behind the scenes by higher off world powers. And I think Trump has been approached, maybe even Putin (and other key people), and they are working to undo the incredible amounts of damage that has been done for so long.

I am NOT a Trump fanatical supporter by any stretch. But I do believe in sovereignty, freedom and am anti-globalist. I look at individuals and their value as similar to countries and states. And I see trump speaking about and working to fight the globalist and deep-state. Although he may be playing both sides, but we'll see.

Third: Some people think way too highly of their views over others. Regardless if you think you've got a clear understanding of whats going on vs. others, again, I know of no other country that isn't terribly corrupt and infested by the Cabal. Any country outside of the truly big and powerful ones (USA, Russia, China, etc) are meaningless in this fight at this stage. If the world's hope was in any small country we would be doomed.

Not to say that smaller countries don't have awesome people and fantastic valuable cultures/traditions/principles at their core. It's just that they would be decimated or assimilated over time and any good people in them would be impotent to do anything globally.

Fourth: Any forward thinking person knows that borders are stupid IN AN ADVANCED CIVILIZATION. But we are far from such a civilization. We still use money and petroleum for Gods sake. Yet advance civilizations never regress their quality and standards of life, or allow threats to their freedom by abandoning security.

The obvious observable fact is that the Cabal stills rules and evil abounds. People are beings used and manipulated by their emotions and countless sub-consequential issues that are meant to do nothing in the larger picture except give more power to the Cabal.

The wall is necessary because illegal immigration is a negative invasion (with all of the numerous negative ramifications) and can destroy a country, plain and simple, Illegal immigration cost us almost 10times what it would cost to build the wall. And no one has come up with a solution to stop the invasion issues (because that is exactly what it is, if not deliberate genocide). Many places in Europe are decimated by the Cabal's forced immigration and probably will never recover unless they have revolutions nor something off planet occurs.

BTW It's unlikely a wall would be edon the Canadian border because their country is vastly different than South America on numerous significant levels.

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And as far as,
for the world to enjoy the same benefits the U.S. does, it would require the resources of TWELVE earth planets. What people need to realize is that such problems are ONLY because of the tightly controlled and manipulated systems of the Cabal that we have resource issues. The fact is that EVERYONE and EVERY COUNTRY on earth should have all of the resources they need or want and such things are based in abundance in Reality.

One last thing. If an idea or technology is created you can't erase it. Just like you can't expect people in the USA to digress into a third world context and expect then to accept it. As such, you MUST ALWAYS develop a Superior idea or technology.

In conclusion, Trump is probably a temporary measure in the times we are in and is playing a role of "soft disclose" to the general unaware public in order to acclimate them to the greater picture coming. I am hopeful that all of the politics we see today along with the systems that have ruled since the Cabals domination on earth will eventually be replaced.

People refer to such a thing as "The Event", although what that is is debatable. For me, it doesn't mean we humans don't work for our own freedom or being response-able. It merely means that the Cabal's hidden hands are removed by other beings capable of doing such, because humans can't. Then we will be free to change things on a human level for the better. And we will probably be assisted by the off world powers to catch up for the oppression and other ways we have been suppressed for so long. As an example, maybe our DNA was manipulated to two strings and they can fix it. How would just that one change affect our world? Can we even imagine?

Blessings to ALL :Angel:

[Bruno]

You can't trust anything Chretien says and his opinions don't carry much weight with most people in Canada I imagine. He is part of the Cabal or a puppet of the Cabal as much as any Prime Minister or President has ever been. I mean the guy actually makes reference to being friends with the Clinton's.

However, I will agree with him on Trump signaling the demise of the American empire. I have come to believe that Trump by design is a distraction at best and weapon to polarize us further at worst. He seems to embody all the worst American stereotypes: rich yet uncultured, abrasive, rude and unapologetic. His "tell it like it is" style may be a breath of fresh air to some but what has changed? It's business as usual, the war machine rolls on and so do the markets that continue to line the pockets of the already ridiculously wealthy. Manufacturing left for Asia decades ago. America first? Make America great again? What a joke. I vacation in Michigan frequently. It's shell of what it once was. It saddens me greatly. The genie is out of the bottle though, people needed to pay attention to what was happening to manufacturing back in Bush Senior's days or earlier. And it's no damned different in Canada. We are on the same sinking ship. Trump or no trump we North Americans are declining and we are fighting each other over the scraps on the way down.

How's that for my first post in months?

Apparently I wanted to depress myself and others.

I'm actually a glass half full person believe it or not.

I have family who are part of Detroit's art scene and create art and gardens in among abandoned buildings there. I know we will find a way to press on and create new lives regardless of how far we fall, but I don't see anyway back to what once was. Any politician who promises that is making pie crust promises in my opinion; that's what politician's do best I guess.

[Daozen]

The end of the American Empire is a good thing, no?

Not if it's replaced by the Chinese. Sesame Credit doesn't look fun. ha.

[Sierra]

The wall is necessary because illegal immigration is a negative invasion (with all of the numerous negative ramifications) and can destroy a country, plain and simple, Illegal immigration cost us almost 10times what it would cost to build the wall. And no one has come up with a solution to stop the invasion issues (because that is exactly what it is, if not deliberate genocide). Many places in Europe are decimated by the Cabal's forced immigration and probably will never recover unless they have revolutions nor something off planet occurs.

I have to disagree with you Soulight, that we can conflate the Mexican and European immigration issues.

I live in California, so I’ve been in touch with the local immigration issues for the last 50 years. The crime rate among Mexican immigrants is lower than that of the general population. What crime there is, as usual, a result of poverty. Mexican culture is extremely family oriented, and they work to support their families. They do the work that provides the food on our tables. You cannot pay Caucasian American citizens enough to do the work. They simply won’t or can’t work in the fields, doing back breaking, yet skillful work, at low wages. Not even the homeless will do it.

When the governor of Arizona, Jan Brewer, instituted draconian procedures against Hispanics, they fled the state, and Arizonian crops rotted in the fields. No more draconian policies.

Now Californian crops are rotting in the local fields as a result of the new national ICE policies.

There is no relationship or connection in immigration issues between what happened in Europe, and what happens in the states. Dumping a million refugees in a country, mostly lone males, Wahabi trained to utter contempt for non believers, who witnessed their country, towns, families bombed to utter ruin, who isolate themselves in communities where the police refuse to go, does not match in any way what we’ve experienced in the Western United States. It is fear porn.

Agreed, I don’t want immigration from the mid east. We need to rebuild what we destroyed, so the mid east immigrants have a home to go, a place to work, an opportunity to have families again. But... that is not on the Illuminati agenda.

Instead we have as mentioned by Eisenhower in his last speech, the rise of the Industrial-Military complex, no doubt engendered by the Illuminati. A quote from a review of a book about Eisenhower:


Does our massive military establishment—bigger than those of the next ten largest combined—really make us safer? How much of our perception of security threats is driven by the profit-making motives of military contractors? To what extent is our foreign policy influenced by contractors’ financial interests?

Ledbetter uncovers the surprising origins and the even more surprising afterlife of the military-industrial complex, an idea that arose as early as the 1930s, and shows how it gained traction during World War II, the Cold War, and the Vietnam era and continues even today.

https://www.amazon.com/Unwarranted-Influence-Eisenhower-Military-Industrial-Complex/dp/0300177623#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1539287153399

[Matt P]

I’m not a Trump fan or a Trump hater but I can say with absolute confidence that anyone who thinks Hillary would have been better has been smoking some nasty meth or crack or just plain lost their ability to think clearly.
I agree with Flash, the US empire is in decline and it matters not who the “elected” puppet is.

Matt

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Article:
Chretien says rise of 'unspeakable' Trump marks end of the American empire

I realize this is just another anti-Trump hit piece from an establishment figure, but I know I'm not the only American who thinks it's a good thing that the "American Empire" come to an end.

The United States were founded as a compact between thirteen independent countries. The word "state," after all, essentially means "country" in its original sense, or at least in its 1789 sense. The original United States were more akin to the European Union than the United Kingdom.

When the United States began conquering other territories, such as Puerto Rico or Guam, to which state do these territories belong? Were they granted statehood? (No.) Are they represented in our national Congress? (No.)

We should relinquish all responsibility for these territories and let them govern themselves, without our help or money. They aren't victims of anything and we don't owe them anything.

Nor do we need so many military bases all over the world. If two countries want to have a war, and a NATO base is all that's stopping them, why should Americans care? Let them have their war. We have no say in it. Bring the troops home and let the rest of the world have at it.

The only exception I would make is to the extent that any of these things impact American citizens directly, particularly when it comes to protecting global trade routes with our Navy. Other than that, I have absolutely no problem at all, and neither would millions of other Americans, to lose our "global empire" and just return to minding our own business.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The end of the American Empire is a good thing, no?

Precisely. It's odd to read foreigners on here talking about the end of the "American Empire" as if it's somehow supposed to be a negative thing.

We rose to global superpower status in the first place by focusing on our domestic industry, not by squandering our resources on everyone else. Sending our troops and money all over the world has only drained us at home. We have no special responsibility to be the world's piggy bank or police, and it goes against our founding principles.



The end of the American Empire is a good thing, no?

Not if it's replaced by the Chinese. Sesame Credit doesn't look fun. ha.

Just because we bring our troops and money home doesn't mean we can't still exert enormous pressure on the Chinese, and since Trump took office we have been doing just that. Enormous pressure, in terms of trade, military expansion, espionage, currency, everything.

Just in the news the other day that we arrested a Chinese official in April, and he will be standing trial in a United States court. First time in history this has occurred.

[Soullight]

I have to disagree with you Soulight, that we can conflate the Mexican and European immigration issues.

While it’s true that ILLEGAL Mexican immigrants are not as bad as the European groups (currently) there are numerous signs that show it could be. For example, several months ago I came upon numerous YouTube videos of large Mexican-American (violent in tone and actions) rallies in CA showing not only disdain for Trump, (as these are the ONLY videos you can find on YouTube searches anymore - go figure), but disdain for non-Mexican/Native America. In short, they want America back and would do anything they could to rid it of non-natives. I only wish I could find these videos again. I did a search just now but could only find the one short one below which talks about claiming CA again.

Most Americans know that CA is a disaster, broke, mismanaged, even loony in many ways, etc, and has been for a long time. And due to peer and social conditioning CA people (just like many people from foriegn countries) seem to be highly biased toward Trump and values that would keep America great.

Fact is CA is over run with ILLEGALS, especially the southern regions, and it is heavily influenced and politicized by almost everything that is wrong with our country.

And a big problem regarding jobs, etc, has been using ILLEGAL labor. Fact is if we didn’t have so many ILLEGALS and the people using them we would more than likely find better alternatives and solutions (supply-demand). Immoral choices, greed, political motivations, etc, have caused so many issues.

Also, each country should manage their own people PERIOD! Sending them to other countries is an invasion, or it’s trying to push your poor managment onto other countries by fleeing migrants. People should stay and fix their own countries and FIGHT to do so if they must. Running away is no longer an option in our world.

Obviously most Mexicans are decent people and not like other types of fanatical immigrants, such as in Europe. And everyone should have freedom and the rights to live prosperously. But inundating other successful countries will ultimately cause them to fall. This is a sort of war...and bleeding hearts will only cause the distruction of the USA.

What Trump is trying to do is right and good for America in the type of system and world we live in. I know of no system that would have open borders and still work based on how the world operates. And all successful countries who did this started to fall or fell. Of course I feel bad when families are seperated but if they wish to unite then apply for LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Finally, is this issue of America belonging to a certain race. Hogwash! It’s sad when any culture is reduced or killed off by a stronger one, but ALL races have this track record of conquest, not just European caucasians who conquered America. What matters in this world now is that we all get along and work together as the human species. While I agree that races should have the right of segregation and not be forced to live with diversity, America is great, in part, due to diversity. But under fair and just LAW!

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[A Voice from the Mountains]

I have to disagree with you Soulight, that we can conflate the Mexican and European immigration issues.

While it’s true that ILLEGAL Mexican immigrants are not as bad as the European groups (currently) there are numerous signs that show it could be. For example, several months ago I came upon numerous YouTube videos of large Mexican-American (violent in tone and actions) rallies in CA showing not only disdain for Trump, (as these are the ONLY videos you can find on YouTube searches anymore - go figure), but disdain for non-Mexican/Native America. In short, they want America back and would do anything they could to rid it of non-natives.

Sounds like La Raza, literally "the Race."

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/20070621/aztlan_map.jpg

The parts of Mexico we seized after the Mexican War were virtually uninhabited except by Native American tribes (Americans were invited into Texas in order to populate it), but in the minds of Mexicans, this is still "their" territory.

A lot of these MS-13 types get mocked as "proud Aztec warriors," but that's not far from the truth. They embrace their Aztec heritage and are proud of it. The same Aztecs who brutally subjugated their neighbors and practiced human sacrifice at their temples.

[Soullight]

I also want to add that diversity is one thing but it’s like mind, like purpose and like vision that actually gets things done.

In addition, I recently came cross these reports.

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/cost-immigration-illegals.jpg

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/u-s-has-3-5-million-more-registered-voters-than-live-adults-a-red-flag-for-electoral-fraud/

[Pam]

He kind of lost me when he talks about how glad he is to have the Clintons as friends... guess he has a thing for lying, corrupt, professional politicians.

[Flash]

I have to disagree with you Soulight, that we can conflate the Mexican and European immigration issues.

While it’s true that ILLEGAL Mexican immigrants are not as bad as the European groups (currently) there are numerous signs that show it could be. For example, several months ago I came upon numerous YouTube videos of large Mexican-American (violent in tone and actions) rallies in CA showing not only disdain for Trump, (as these are the ONLY videos you can find on YouTube searches anymore - go figure), but disdain for non-Mexican/Native America. In short, they want America back and would do anything they could to rid it of non-natives.

Sounds like La Raza, literally "the Race."

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/20070621/aztlan_map.jpg

The parts of Mexico we seized after the Mexican War were virtually uninhabited except by Native American tribes (Americans were invited into Texas in order to populate it), but in the minds of Mexicans, this is still "their" territory.

A lot of these MS-13 types get mocked as "proud Aztec warriors," but that's not far from the truth. They embrace their Aztec heritage and are proud of it. The same Aztecs who brutally subjugated their neighbors and practiced human sacrifice at their temples.

i thought M13 had started in El Salvador and were still kind of Salvadorians, even if many other Latinos got into it.

If they are from El Salvador, they are not Aztec at all, they genetically are Mayans, an enemy people of the Aztec - and a people which was less violent than the Aztec, although this would barely be believable if you look at the M13 behavior.

Reminds me anyhow of our Native here, who demand that the whole city of Montreal be given to them. Anyhow.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

i thought M13 had started in El Salvador and were still kind of Salvadorians, even if many other Latinos got into it.

I tried looking into the history of MS-13 before and it's muddy. Not surprising, I guess, since it's a criminal organization. It could easily be propped up by the CIA like so much other cartel- and drug-related crime. Actually, I would be surprised if they weren't.

Not sure where these people are getting their data from, but here's a map of where they're active:

https://mara-salvatrucha-13.weebly.com/uploads/4/0/5/3/40539445/8549065_orig.png

https://mara-salvatrucha-13.weebly.com/history-and-background.html

[Desire]

America is in "deep state" trouble. We need the wall and we need Trump. He will return the power back to the people and defeat the NWO. It's his promise and he keeps his promises.

[chancy]

America is in "deep state" trouble. We need the wall and we need Trump. He will return the power back to the people and defeat the NWO. It's his promise and he keeps his promises.

Hello Desire: thanks for posting! I agree with you that america is in "deep state" trouble.

I don't believe you need any walls because without Mexico you won't have any farm produce to eat. No one in america is willing to work as hard as the Mexican people for as little.

I will be waiting for trump to return the power to the people.( I'll be dead and gone before that is going to happen! )
He is the elite but apparently most americans don't believe that.

It might be his promise BUT he does not keep his promises. That has been proven again and again and again.

Good luck waiting

chancy

[Charles Harris]

The end of the American Empire is a good thing, no?

Yes.
It certainly is.

[Sierra]

While it’s true that ILLEGAL Mexican immigrants are not as bad as the European groups (currently) there are numerous signs that show it could be.

Do let us know when that happens, when the numerous portents and signs are fulfilled. :wink:


Most Americans know that CA is a disaster, broke, mismanaged, even loony in many ways, etc, and has been for a long time. And due to peer and social conditioning CA people (just like many people from foriegn countries) seem to be highly biased...

Nope.


1. America’s largest state economy is California, which produced $2.44 trillion of economic output in 2015, just slightly above the GDP of France during the same period of $2.42 trillion.
https://www.newsweek.com/economic-output-if-states-were-countries-california-would-be-france-467614

I guess “most Americans” has replaced the phrase “they say”, by a segment of the population? I find these phrases can mean the opinion expressed, is that of the speaker.

And your solution to tend the crops that feed us, since you personally, wish to be rid of the current agricultural labor force? From a state where you apparently do not live, and have not experienced?

Respect for others and the work they do is certainly not in the cards when we can’t tolerate our own “loonies”. :ROFL:

Fear not. Outer space, the final frontier, where US folks can reign in “peace” once the inexorable, and inevitable population demographics do what they are going to do on Earth.

Pardon me, I digress. Sometimes life hits my funny bone. Solution?

[Fellow Aspirant]

absolutely terrible article.Also, he doesnt tell it the way it is he just gives his opinion.

This is a personal interview. Personal interviews are, by definition, personal opinion. The interviewee is responding to questions posed - answering them by giving his or her opinion.

B.

[robinr1]

absolutely terrible article.Also, he doesnt tell it the way it is he just gives his opinion.

This is a personal interview. Personal interviews are, by definition, personal opinion. The interviewee is responding to questions posed - answering them by giving his or her opinion.

B.


im glad we agree that he isn't telling it like it is.. he is just giving his opinion. I appreciate you backing up exactly what I stated.

[Fellow Aspirant]

absolutely terrible article.Also, he doesnt tell it the way it is he just gives his opinion.

This is a personal interview. Personal interviews are, by definition, personal opinion. The interviewee is responding to questions posed - answering them by giving his or her opinion.

B.


im glad we agree that he isn't telling it like it is.. he is just giving his opinion. I appreciate you backing up exactly what I stated.

Well, robin1, you shouldn't be too glad about me backing up your opinion. Because no such state exists. And rather than allow you to put words into my mouth (into my digits?) or at least allow a miss-characterization of my intent, please let me set it up this way:

Here's the definition of the word/concept of what we mean, or should, when we use the word:

Noun

opinion (plural opinions)

A belief that a person has formed about a topic or issue. quotations ▼

I would like to know your opinions on the new filing system.
In my opinion, white chocolate is better than milk chocolate.
Every man is a fool in some man's opinion.

The judgment or sentiment which the mind forms of persons or things; estimation. quotations ▼

(This from Wiktionary)

Careful reading will tell you that there is no provision in the idea of "opinion" that verifiable facts be a part of the exchange. Now, just because someone isn't able to "prove" what they think - with solid research from an unbiased source, or offer links to some pundit's site far across the imaginal expanse of the webiverse, does not mean that what they are claiming is wrong. Such a style is more amenable to a court of law or even an online forum. :bigsmile:

The response by the interviewee is, ideally, simply the best response that they can offer, based on their personal experience. Whether the listener believes or agrees with the thoughts and conclusions of the person is entirely up to them.

That's why and where I disagree with your statement that because he is giving his opinion ...

"he isn't telling it like it is "


The interviewer is not asking for the absolute truth - who could answer that? The interviewer is asking what Chretien thinks. And he tells her. What he says could be completely wrong, or only partly wrong, or even, conceivably, entirely correct. But to pass judgement on it's veracity and conclude that it is false because of the way in which it is transmitted is going to be wrong more often than it is right.


The truth exists at many levels, and to block oneself off from potentially enlightening material because of a misguided sense that every piece of opinion is a lie is not a very helpful approach to the truth.

Good luck on your quest!

Brian

[TomKat]

If Jean Chretien did not denounce the Clintons in the 90s when they set up the economic land mines that are still exploding, then he has no credibility. But I'm glad to see that HIS version of the American Empire (the US as a sacrificial lamb for global govt) is ending. When a vampire criticizes you for removing his teeth from your neck, that is encouraging indeed.