Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

[Jamie]

The first thing I need to say is...
sorry if such a question has already been asked of you.

I'm very bad at bothering to go through the hundreds of comments on any thread on PA...I guess the true word for it is I'm a lazy b*g*er.

I am writing as someone who has followed project Camelot (then Avalon) for a long time.

Heck, 30 years or so ago I used to go to many of David Icke's talks where there were only a 100 people in the audience.
The information was always amazing... and then he'd always finish off the evening by drinking a can of Tennets Blue lager and chatting with us.
Something I only remember because my father was an alcoholic who drunk the exact same lager.

Sometimes we'd all go off to the local park/field where on occasions' I've held hands with David Icke... and sung "Only love, love, only, only love, will come trueeeeee...." all whilst imagining a strong beam of energy replenishing the land.

I hold David Icke in high esteem, given that he is the foundation point for many of us.


SO...why on earth am I bothering to 'waffle on' and mention stuff that is totally un-needed, given that this is a thread saying "Bill Ryan's Personel Questions".
I should just get on and ask the bl**dy question.

I am saying this to show that I have a long history of following the alternative medium
... which has always come up with multiple "Doom & Gloom" scenarios, which I have always taken note of just in case (a better safe than sorry mentality!), but which have always thankfully fallen flat on their ar*e.

Given the current shortages in food supply & fuel shortages... I want to ask the simple question:


Do you believe for the first time in a long time (I'm asking because for the first time I guess I'm really feeling it)
... we are TRULY at the precipice of major world change?

[Bill Ryan]

Do you believe for the first time in a long time (I'm asking because for the first time I guess I'm really feeling it)
... we are TRULY at the precipice of major world change?Yes. But that change could take any or all of a number of forms.


Global population reduction (to a certain degree).
Mainstream health services in many countries failing and collapsing.
Major climate and weather anomalies leaving no nation untouched.
Serious food shortages, and (in some places) famine.
Huge refugee problems, especially in Europe.
A multipolar word, the demise of NWO and WEF plans, and the serious weakening of the US and the EU. (This is a good thing.)
'Civil unrest' (a euphemism!) of the kind we're seeing in Sri Lanka and the Netherlands.
Serious attempts to crack down on all aspects of freedom... but with a great deal of successful resistance.

[pabranno]

Jambo, Great question: Bill, great response.
Forgive me also if you have discussed this before… I too have missed a great many posts. Sooo much here
Bill, do you consider yourself Christian? How do you view Biblical prophecy in general? Do you see it relating to the current situations in the world/ humanity? I’ve been thinking, just as the ‘Illuminati’ must give some sort of fore notice on major events to come, so does the other side. If one polarizes such things (and this one does). Perhaps Biblical prophecy is the cosmically required notice. Wondering your take on these things. I’m always trying to adjust my perceptions, should they be erroneous, and your take is very valuable to me.

Many thanks,
Pamela

[Bill Ryan]

Jambo, Great question: Bill, great response.
Forgive me also if you have discussed this before… I too have missed a great many posts. Sooo much here
Bill, do you consider yourself Christian? How do you view Biblical prophecy in general?No, actually not. My worldview (or universe-view) is rather wider and more encompassing than that. (When I say that, I sincerely mean no disrespect to any devout Christians reading this. :flower: )

And no, I personally disregard Biblical prophecy. The authors of books in the Bible (and much was changed, deleted or altered over the years from whatever the original may have been) never had a monopoly on prophecy. (Present day, highly trained Remote Viewers also do that. :) )

Do see my thread The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61859-The-real-Jesus-the-real-Mary-Gnosis-the-Archons-and-the-world-s-first-major-smear-campaign).

My own connection with this, such as it is, is that I was a jovial, bearded Jewish Priest, with big hands (interestingly, I remember the hands! But I guess I looked at them a lot :) ), who met Mary Magdalene (real name in Greek: Mariamne Mara, meaning 'Mary the Master') when she landed in Narbonne several years after Jesus had survived the crucifixion.

I helped her found a community first in Rennes-les-Bains, and later Rennes-le-Chateau (the focus of the inspired and detailed historical treatise Holy Blood, Holy Grail (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Michael%20Baigent%2C%20Richard%20Leigh%2C%20Henry%20Lincoln%20-%20Holy%20Blood%2C%20Holy%20Grail%20(2004).pdf)).

She had with her a book (or maybe a collection of scrolls), but she was tricked by an enemy and this was stolen from her.

It has never been recovered. I cannot recall what was in that book, but if it was ever found, maybe in some dusty private collection (and many such valuable artifacts are in those collections, not in museums or libraries) — it might change history.

[pabranno]

Thank you very much for the honest thoughts. I’ll definitely start digging into that thread: it’s been a little intimidating to me for some reason. Which is probably why I need to study it! Thank you for sharing… I will give your answer much thought (as well as that scary thread)
😉

Pamela

[Eagle Eye]

Hi Bill. I have one question. Having a great influence of your opinion in this forum and more widely, how do you deal with responsibility of an opinion or conclusion given and proven to be wrong at a later time?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill. I have one question. Having a great influence of your opinion in this forum and more widely, how do you deal with responsibility of an opinion or conclusion given and proven to be wrong at a later time?Well, of course you're referencing what I was posting just above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1506702&viewfull=1#post1506702) about Mary Magdalene. That was my subjective experience, for whatever it might be worth, and it might either be incorrect or never be historically proved.

So it's really presented as a way of promoting thought and discussion, rather like a teacher or lecturer presenting a challenge to the class to think about and discuss. And, of course, I'm far from the only researcher or commentator who's discussed such things. I'm careful, or as careful as I can be in that regard, and I don't that often make stark statements of claimed fact which I urge everyone to believe.

[Eagle Eye]

I was referring more in general (on important topics). About the post above, I am aware of religions deviations and their modifications through time.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... did Mara eat the other one?



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/avatar6_5.gif

[Bill Ryan]

...

... did Mara eat the other one?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/avatar6_5.gif

:)

For years, I've never been able to change my avatar, because on the Admin Control Panel many of my details are locked and can't be changed. (Username, password, email address, and so on — but also my avatar.) All that, I think, is a security measure because of my having all the various keys to the kingdom. It would need senior admin Tommy's skills to get in there and change anything at all. It never seemed worth the trouble to ask him to fix all this.

But then I got very bright and realized (doh! :facepalm: :) ) that all I had to do was by-pass the control panel and upload a new image to the server in the 'custom avatars' folder, with the same filename as the old avatar. That worked just fine. :thumbsup:

I still have my leather hat (two of them, in fact!) — that new one was just quite a good (and far more recent) photo that I remembered I had, just this morning. The old one was from 2006, taken by Kerry Cassidy on Malibu beach.

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_avatar_lg.jpg

Here's proof that I do indeed still have my hat... though you may have to take my word for it that that's actually me, and that's actually Mara. :P

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_and_Mara_sm.jpg

:happy dog:

[onawah]

Bill, I think you are going to want to see this and comment: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103674-Worldwide-Engineered-Weather-Catastrophe&p=1507804&viewfull=1#post1507804

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

...

... did Mara eat the other one?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/avatar6_5.gif

:)

My only question Bill is, did your head turn into a teapot? :Party:

49323

*******

Can never beat the original!

:Avalon:

[Baby Steps]

Hi Bill and again apologies if the following has been covered.

Just been revisiting the Anglo Saxon mission and it suuuuure sounds very prescient now .

There is footage that appears potentially real of a future human alien being who sets out the past as remembered in his reality. He describes how at our current time or thereabouts a politician arises in the usa who undermines democracy and causes a pretty severe nuclear war starting in the usa and killing most people . He describes how it was so severe that records from that period are very sparse. He states that he is an evolution from humanity but no longer human , and that radiation was very destructive .

I struggled to find the footage today. The being stated that he travelled back to the current era to observe and gather info only.

This ‘interview ‘ or perhaps interrogation under duress tallies with accounts from Dan Burisch and others about time travelling future humans and brings the following to mind .

- have you seen that footage and do you give it any credibility
- do you see it as possible that time travellers from multiple possible future time lines could appear in this reality ?
- could a being from a darker timeline visit the present while we are manifesting a better future ?
- alternatively does the appearance of such a future being flag that our timeline is now set on the severe destruction variant ?

It just looks like the mission agenda IS playing out but is delayed and ameliorated and may have had several false starts . There are factors in play that seem to be frustrating the Anglo Saxon agenda so far, however what we HAVE seen so far is a huge confirmation that the mission as you detailed it, does exist as a plan

Many thanks !!

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill and again apologies if the following has been covered.

Just been revisiting the Anglo Saxon mission and it suuuuure sounds very prescient now .

There is footage that appears potentially real of a future human alien being who sets out the past as remembered in his reality. He describes how at our current time or thereabouts a politician arises in the usa who undermines democracy and causes a pretty severe nuclear war starting in the usa and killing most people . He describes how it was so severe that records from that period are very sparse. He states that he is an evolution from humanity but no longer human , and that radiation was very destructive .

I struggled to find the footage today. The being stated that he travelled back to the current era to observe and gather info only.
Unless this is a variant on Dan Burisch's story of his encounters and communication with Chi'e'Lah (the future human held captive at S-4 in Area 51), I've not heard this story. I absolutely don't dismiss it without knowing more, and I'd very much like to see the video.

[Casey Claar]

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Is this the right footage??

[Baby Steps]

Hi yes that’s the chap

Also here at 2.22 mins in


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOMTZOV5Rfg

[Bill Ryan]

It's a fake (unfortunately! :) ). It was made by Canadian SFX visual artist Aristomenis ("Meni") Tsirbas. His Wiki page is here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristomenis_Tsirbas).

More in this article, and also easily found elsewhere.

https://isaackoi.com/ufo-videos/koi-ufo-video-127.html

[James Newell]

Thank You Bill, very interesting...j

[RunningDeer]

Guess who came to mind? (9 sec)
http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/dog-terrier.gif
https://i.imgur.com/GLVdzA5.mp4

[Casey Claar]

Bill ~

I just came across this thread re: regression sessions offered (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100663-Regression-sessions-offered-to-Avalon-Members-and-Guests-by-Will-Berlinghof-or-Bill-Ryan).

The links to Will at rainbowphoenix.com all seem to be dead. Are you, yourself, still giving regressions?

[Bill Ryan]

Bill ~

I just came across this thread re: regression sessions offered (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100663-Regression-sessions-offered-to-Avalon-Members-and-Guests-by-Will-Berlinghof-or-Bill-Ryan).

The links to Will at rainbowphoenix.com (http://rainbowphoenix.com) all seem to be dead. Are you, yourself, still giving regressions?Many thanks, Casey — Will Berlinghof is the husband of retired Avalon member Callista, and I was unaware that their website isn't functional any more. It may be best to disregard that, and clearly that thread needs to be updated!

James Newell (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?30394-James-Newell) (who posted just above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1508953&viewfull=1#post1508953)) does regressions — his friends call him Jim — and I can very highly recommend him. His website is https://getmoreable.com. He can be contacted there, or via Avalon PM (though for some periods he's not online here all that regularly).

Yes, I can do regressions, but I've not done any for some time... my low-bandwidth audio link here in Ecuador sometimes isn't quite up to the task. :)

[Casey Claar]

Bill ~

I just came across this thread re: regression sessions offered (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100663-Regression-sessions-offered-to-Avalon-Members-and-Guests-by-Will-Berlinghof-or-Bill-Ryan).

The links to Will at rainbowphoenix.com (http://rainbowphoenix.com) all seem to be dead. Are you, yourself, still giving regressions?Many thanks, Casey — Will Berlinghof is the husband of retired Avalon member Callista, and I was unaware that their website isn't functional any more. It may be best to disregard that, and clearly that thread needs to be updated!

James Newell (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?30394-James-Newell) (who posted just above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1508953&viewfull=1#post1508953)) does regressions — his friends call him Jim — and I can very highly recommend him. His website is https://getmoreable.com. He can be contacted there, or via Avalon PM (though for some periods he's not online here all that regularly).

Yes, I can do regressions, but I've not done any for some time... my low-bandwidth audio link here in Ecuador sometimes isn't quite up to the task. :)

Good to know, Bill, thank you for the reply.


I can be a bit particular. My experience base is somewhat wider than most. I have always enjoyed your exploratory skills, your question asking skills, it is truly a gift. I don't always have additional resources for things like this but when I do I think it would be interesting to experience a regression with you. Are there times of the day when the bandwidth there is better than others?

[Antagenet]

It pains me to ask this most important question to you Bill. Have you been approached by the cabal to become a Sovereign in the Cabals new digital caste system? If so, I hope you have decided to work with the resistance who are becoming S and going to fight the reset from the inside. If not, then please be aware that there is still a way to be a part of the resistance from the inside, because they will likely offer you Sovereign status. Info at oculumlabs.com.

[Longjohn]

I haven't actually been on Project Avalon for quite sometime, but I wanted to see what Bill Ryan and Avalon had to say on OculumLabs' revelations. Antagenet and ExomatrixTV were the only people who had mentioned it in the 10 days since it came out.

The OculumLabs material more than deserves its own thread. At first, it seemed incomprehensible that groups such as Project Avalon, Project Camelot, Clif High and other advanced alternative thinkers had scarcely picked up on this. I immediately thought of all these alt.media guys being given an offer they couldn't refuse.

All the intel drops, and most particularly #5 and #6, contain material that relates to the very essence of what Project Camelot and Project Avalon have been pursuing over the last 15 years. They should be screaming this from their rooftops, but they aren't.

This is the passage from Intel Drop #5 that impacted me the most:

[NB: CSRQ-SM (Social Management) Software is the program that will be used worldwide by select governmental and banking institutions when the financial reset occurs]

Bill: When do you think they were going use their gatekeepers to talk about CSRQ?

Gideon: “My guess is this Fall, if they were going to. We don’t know if they were, we suspect it, we’re theorizing here. But yes, this Fall probably. Whether or not we screwed up any plans they had to gate-keep this, we don’t know for sure. What I do know is they never, ever wanted the Sovereign part of this to come out.”

Bill: They wanted to gate-keep it and never, ever let that out.

Gideon: “That’s what they do, they release some truth, and hold back on other truths they don’t want out.”

Bill: It’s everything. They do this with everything!

Gideon: “They’ve done it with 9/11, the secret space program, the Moon missions, secret world history. They release eighty percent truth, then hide the twenty percent they don’t want anyone knowing. Then they prop up their Sovereigns, their gatekeepers, and get everyone believing those people are telling them the truth.”

Bill: With the Sovereign class out of the bag and in the open, what’s going on now? What are they doing now?

Gideon: “Other than the cabal coming after us, all of their Sovereigns in the Alt Media are going to go in lock-down mode to block our information on CSRQ. They’ll act like we don’t exist.

But, be prepared for this, they might try to co-opt it. Maybe steal it and act like it’s their own then twist it all around, or try to discredit us, then take up the cause. I wouldn’t put that past them. Expect every trick in the book.”

Bill: Another thing we noticed is how crazy the Alt Media gatekeepers are acting lately. They are going hardcore on hopium like I’ve never seen, and their sales pitches are off the charts. What’s going on?

Gideon: “They’re in a mad scramble to fill up their USDR accounts. I told Michael, it’s an all out blitz to sell, sell, sell products to make fiat then turn it into USDR.”

[9ideon]

I haven't actually been on Project Avalon for quite sometime, but I wanted to see what Bill Ryan and Avalon had to say on OculumLabs' revelations. Antagenet and ExomatrixTV were the only people who had mentioned it in the 10 days since it came out.

The OculumLabs material more than deserves its own thread. At first, it seemed incomprehensible that groups such as Project Avalon, Project Camelot, Clif High and other advanced alternative thinkers had scarcely picked up on this. I immediately thought of all these alt.media guys being given an offer they couldn't refuse.


They've reset the banking system about 2 weeks ago I guess, I'll try and see if I can find something on it. But I am not making a Topic on it, will you yourself go there instead LJ?

What I picked up is that when the Canadian banking system went down on July 8th, UK, France etc were doing upgrades as well.

**Cannot find the vid with the headlines, I figured it be redacted but I am not sure at the moment.

[Bill Ryan]

It pains me to ask this most important question to you Bill. Have you been approached by the cabal to become a Sovereign in the Cabals new digital caste system?Not at all!! :)

[Bill Ryan]

It pains me to ask this most important question to you Bill. Have you been approached by the cabal to become a Sovereign in the Cabals new digital caste system?Not at all!! :)I have a couple of important (and seriously asked) questions in exchange: :heart:


What makes you wonder if I might be "approached", and
What makes you wonder if I might accept a proposal like that?

[Longjohn]

I can answer that question, Bill.

If you read the Intel Drops from the OculumLabs group (more details on The 'Great Reset' Forum threads), you will find that you are dealing with a group of workers on the project who are so concerned about the ethics of the social credit credit system software that they feel morally obliged to release as much information to the public as possible in the time available before it comes into operation (estimated to be as early as this winter or up to 2024 at the latest).

They have shown examples of the status of selected well-known individuals in the celebrity, political and alt-media circles (screenshots are shown) and their categorisation is surprising, to say the least.

The four categories are Sovereign (access to unlimited wealth), Common (impoverished - most of us), Restricted (very impoverished), and Quarantined (doesn't bear imagining). The Sovereign class represents less than 1% of Earth's population and includes some very notable alt-media personalities who, it appears, have been made offers they couldn't refuse. You will be most intrigued by some of the names mentioned. You may or may not be surprised...

Because there has been so little response to this material in the ten or so days since it first appeared, the thought therefore occurred that you and others in a similar position might have been approached. The consequence of not accepting the highest status (naturally with a few strings attached) would, quite simply, be condemnation to a life of utter misery. I hope that answers your direct questions.

Of course, this could all be one giant honeypot designed to trap and expose those who might rebel against the future social credit system, but the more you look into it, the more it fits in with a managed mega-crash of the system, followed by a totalitarian economic order of severity far in excess of the rosy picture put out by Uncle Klaus.

You really have to look at the Intel Drops on the OculumLabs website. At first, I was extremely sceptical, and then I realised how it tied in with the predictions of people like Jim Rickards, but on an unimaginably more draconian scale.

I would be interested to hear your opinion after having read some of the material.

[Bill Ryan]

The four categories are Sovereign (access to unlimited wealth), Common (most of us (impoverished), Restricted (very impoverished), and Quarantined (doesn't bear imagining). The Sovereign class represents less than 1% of Earth's population and includes some very notable alt-media personalities who, it appears, have been made offers they couldn't refuse. You will be most intrigued by some of the names mentioned.

Because there has been so little response to this material in the ten or so days since it first appeared, the thought therefore occurred that you and others in a similar position may have been approached.Ha. :) (And thanks! :highfive: )

The truth is that there's so much to keep up with, read, listen to, and understand, and each one of us probably has their attention on different things that are all happening in the world almost at once, that many members may very well harbor differing concepts of what the most important issues are.

I'm not dismissing this at all. Like other mortals (including every one of the other mods, many of whom are under degrees of personal pressure in various different ways), I have limited time and attention. To read all the articles and watch all the videos posted on 20 or more different important topics on the forum in just one day would probably take one person 100 hours in a 24 hour period. See this thread! :)


"I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105362-I-can-t-keep-up-any-more.-The-world-of-Future-Shock-is-already-here)

(And many members may not have seen or read that thread, either... :P )

Right now, I'm listening to a very erudite and fascinating Round Table discussion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtf1yod_p4w) with Gonzalo Lira, Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern, and Ted Postol. To a large degree, it's all about the risk of accidental nuclear war, and the state of missile systems, anti-missile systems, early warning systems, and incompetent, blinded or ideologically driven politicians. It's nearly 3 hours long, and I have another hour to go.

Has anyone else reading this post listened to that? Maybe one or two, but possibly nobody else at all. It's a kind of problem.

[mizo]

Hi Bill

Question: given what has transpired over the last couple of years do you believe or feel that you are in the right place and at the right time as in Ecuador?

Is Ecuador a good place to ride out the oncoming storm?

If not is there a place/country/continent that'd you rather be at this moment of time?

There's many groups/families/individuals relocating to the South American countries from what I have noticed over the last few months.

Appreciate your view/thoughts.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill

Question: given what has transpired over the last couple of years do you believe or feel that you are in the right place and at the right time as in Ecuador?

Is Ecuador a good place to ride out the oncoming storm?

If not is there a place/country/continent that'd you rather be at this moment of time?

There's many groups/families/individuals relocating to the South American countries from what I have noticed over the last few months.

Appreciate your view/thoughts.
Given what has transpired over the last couple of years do you believe or feel that you are in the right place and at the right time as in Ecuador?

Yes, I'm very thankful I'm here. None of us can be sure what may transpire in the next few years, anywhere in the world, but right now I see no problems at all where I am.

Everything is 100% normal: 2% inflation, no shortages of anything, plenty of high quality bulk food of all kinds readily available, fruit and veg in roadside markets everywhere, gasoline/petrol prices fixed nationwide at $2.40/gallon (£0.52/liter).

My last monthly electricity bill was $12.66. I have a little portable backup generator, just in case, but in 3 years I've never had to use it and I just start it up for 5 minutes a month to keep it in good shape.

Gas for cooking and hot water is $1.20/month. I pay voluntary health insurance at $75/month which qualifies me for 100% free hospital treatment for anything at all should I ever need it. (I did have appendicitis once a few years ago. I drove myself to the hospital at midnight and was discharged 36 hours later having been treated impeccably, quickly and expertly, the equivalent of anywhere else in the world, or maybe better. It never cost me a thing.)

I have an ancient but reliable Isuzu Trooper 4x4 (400,000 km, 250,000 miles) that's kept strong and functional by an excellent and super-friendly English-speaking local mechanic who charges me $5/hour for servicing. I live year round with the doors and windows open, and there are no mosquitoes or anything at all that bites. There are no chemtrails, and yesterday I went on a high wild hike for a few hours with my dog up to 14,000 ft in the local mountains which are easy to get to from here.

For me, all this feels close to ideal. I'm never ever lonely, entirely self-sufficient in my own company, but I do spend almost all of my time alone — the one thing I'd quite like to change somehow if I had a genie who could magically grant me a wish. :).

Is Ecuador a good place to ride out the oncoming storm?

In my opinion, and based on everything I believe I can see all around me, yes. I do have to say, I'm mighty glad I'm not in the US, Canada, the UK, anywhere in Europe, or Aus/NZ.
My second choice (a very theoretical one, in some alternative universe!) would probably be Thailand.

[Mike]

Hi Bill:handshake:, if you woke up tomorrow and there was a pile of cash next to your bed - say $20 million dollars - what would you do with it?:)

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill:handshake:, if you woke up tomorrow and there was a pile of cash next to your bed - say $20 million dollars - what would you do with it?:)Ha. Excellent question!

First, a funny story. A friend of mine, a little while back, woke up one morning, checked her bank account, and found that instead of a couple hundred dollars, she had $320,000. It had magically appeared there overnight. She had no idea where it had come from, or why.

She told me that the most interesting thing about the entire affair was the various different reactions (and advice!) offered to her by all her friends. (My own advice was to immediately contact a lawyer to find out if the new funds were legally hers.)

She told me that she'd phoned the bank immediately, and had discovered it had been a mistake. What the the bank do? Cancel the $320,000 deposit, and thank her very much for letting them know.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0406%20Facepalm.gif https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0103%20Big%20smile.gif

And another very interesting true story. Some readers might know that many years ago I used to run residential courses for 'problem' teenagers on government programs. Some of the kids I'm sure I learned more from than they ever did from me.

One example was a wild teenage girl who was almost uncontrollable. So much so, that my co-facilitator took over the rest of the group while I sat quietly and talked to her privately for a couple of hours about her background and life (which was all pretty awful). She shared a whole bunch of personal stories that gave me much pause for compassion and very deep thought.

One story was this. While walking along an inner city river bank on her own one night, she had found a large, black, well-sealed garbage bag sitting in the mud. At first she thought it was just trash, but on impulse she took a look.

It contained £5 million in used banknotes.

What did this rebel wild child do? She took it straight to the police. She never even got a reward.

:flower:

So, to your question. Besides doing a few things to bolster my own position here (like get a slightly newer vehicle, do a few repairs to my large sprawling house, and hire a gardener :) ), there's truly very little indeed that I want or need that money could buy.

But I might well hire a team to make some good quality documentary videos that I'd publish for free (maybe Camelot 2.0, but done a lot better), and — this was my very first thought when I read your post — swing into action to help one or two close friends of mine who are wrestling with some complicated, serious problems that $$ might actually be able to solve.

:heart:

[Harmony]

This is exactly what I would have thought you would say BIll,


"So, to your question. Besides doing a few things to bolster my own position here (like get a slightly newer vehicle, do a few repairs to my large sprawling house, and hire a gardener :) ), there's truly very little indeed that I want or need that money could buy."


It is a great place to be in your life, when you thoroughly know your values, what is important and what you would like the rest of the world to have as well. To care and be happy, to see others happy.


I often wonder what line is somehow crossed between that sentiment to " I must have more, and more than anyone else, and control all the natural resources of the planet" I guess it would be like asking "How do you separate your self from everyone and everything else, so you won't have to feel the pain and suffering caused by greed and a closed heart?" Anyway, stay you, stay happy and Mara too.:heart:

[Antagenet]

It pains me to ask this most important question to you Bill. Have you been approached by the cabal to become a Sovereign in the Cabals new digital caste system?Not at all!! :)I have a couple of important (and seriously asked) questions in exchange: :heart:


What makes you wonder if I might be "approached", and
What makes you wonder if I might accept a proposal like that?


Longjohn answered perfectly, as if he read my mind!!!

[Longjohn]

To get a feel for the stark reality and utter ruthlessness of the coming Global Social Credit system, I would suggest you take the time to read these two references:

What it means for your life and future (https://oculumlabs.com/about-the-csrq-sm-software-financial-reset/)

Who has the highest rating? (https://oculumlabs.com/the-sovereign-accounts-of-the-rich-and-powerful-exposed/)

The second link is the first of two covering the same topic. No matter what your initial impressions were, these two articles will make you sit up and think.

It will take about half an hour of your time. It'll be worth it. Not to put too fine a point on it, you could be getting a unique glimpse of the software that could soon be used to control YOU.

At that point, you have to decide whether the whole thing is of the utmost significance for humanity, or to dismiss it as yet more noise in the overwrought fabric of our planetary matrix.

It's the nearest thing I can think of to our Red Pill or Blue Pill moment.

Do we take action or do we sink into a state of supine apathy, awaiting the inevitable?

It's clear to me that this new information represents humanity's crossing of the Rubicon, beyond which there may be no turning back.

Our years spent raising our personal awareness and exposing conspiracies have come to this juncture in history. Do we just sit back and let it happen?

[leavesoftrees]

Hi Bill

Given what has transpired over the last couple of years do you believe or feel that you are in the right place and at the right time as in Ecuador?

Yes, I'm very thankful I'm here. None of us can be sure what may transpire in the next few years, anywhere in the world, but right now I see no problems at all where I am.

Everything is 100% normal: 2% inflation, no shortages of anything, plenty of high quality bulk food of all kinds readily available, fruit and veg in roadside markets everywhere, gasoline/petrol prices fixed nationwide at $2.40/gallon (£0.52/liter).

My last monthly electricity bill was $12.66. I have a little portable backup generator, just in case, but in 3 years I've never had to use it and I just start it up for 5 minutes a month to keep it in good shape.

Gas for cooking and hot water is $1.20/month. I pay voluntary health insurance at $75/month which qualifies me for 100% free hospital treatment for anything at all should I ever need it. (I did have appendicitis once a few years ago. I drove myself to the hospital at midnight and was discharged 36 hours later having been treated impeccably, quickly and expertly, the equivalent of anywhere else in the world, or maybe better. It never cost me a thing.)

I have an ancient but reliable Isuzu Trooper 4x4 (400,000 km, 250,000 miles) that's kept strong and functional by an excellent and super-friendly English-speaking local mechanic who charges me $5/hour for servicing. I live year round with the doors and windows open, and there are no mosquitoes or anything at all that bites. There are no chemtrails, and yesterday I went on a high wild hike for a few hours with my dog up to 14,000 ft in the local mountains which are easy to get to from here.

For me, all this feels close to ideal. I'm never ever lonely, entirely self-sufficient in my own company, but I do spend almost all of my time alone — the one thing I'd quite like to change somehow if I had a genie who could magically grant me a wish. :).

Is Ecuador a good place to ride out the oncoming storm?

In my opinion, and based on everything I believe I can see all around me, yes. I do have to say, I'm mighty glad I'm not in the US, Canada, the UK, anywhere in Europe, or Aus/NZ.
My second choice (a very theoretical one, in some alternative universe!) would probably be Thailand.


Sounds like heaven on Earth. 2% inflation! Australia just announced 7.5% today

[Bill Ryan]

To get a feel for the stark reality and utter ruthlessness of the coming Global Social Credit system, I would suggest you take the time to read these two references:

What it means for your life and future (https://oculumlabs.com/about-the-csrq-sm-software-financial-reset/)

Who has the highest rating? (https://oculumlabs.com/the-sovereign-accounts-of-the-rich-and-powerful-exposed/)

Thanks again — I started a new thread by copying over a number of posts already on The 'Great Reset' (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset&highlight=reset) thread. So it's all here now:


OculumLabs' report on a new Social Credit Scoring System (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119124-OculumLabs-report-on-a-new-Social-Credit-Scoring-System)

We should discuss it all there. :thumbsup: For the moment I confess I'm skeptical, but I'll follow developments and let's all see if there seems to be any further confirmation of this from other sources.

[Jamie]

This maybe a question not for here, but I can’t think of a better place to tentatively ask.
Without crossing lines or breaching privacy… Does anyone know if Mashika is OK?
I thought perhaps you as main guide & leader of this forum may know something.

When you have a member on a forum with a strong voice, who comes across as both intelligent & astute in affairs that as a “Westerner” I simply don’t receive from the media… well… when that voice suddenly disappears due to stated health problems, we miss that voice and are also concerned about her.
I’m sure many of us are wondering & hoping that Mashika is ok.

[Bill Ryan]

This maybe a question not for here, but I can’t think of a better place to tentatively ask.
Without crossing lines or breaching privacy… Does anyone know if Mashika is OK?
I thought perhaps you as main guide & leader of this forum may know something.

When you have a member on a forum with a strong voice, who comes across as both intelligent & astute in affairs that as a “Westerner” I simply don’t receive from the media… well… when that voice suddenly disappears due to stated health problems, we miss that voice and are also concerned about her.
I’m sure many of us are wondering & hoping that Mashika is ok.That's so very good of you to share your concern. :flower:

For anyone who may not be aware, this is what Mashika has posted about her current health issue: (she's in hospital with an undiagnosed major problem)


I'm going to get my pills, one way or another

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119082-I-m-going-to-get-my-pills-one-way-or-another):heart2:
(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119082-I-m-going-to-get-my-pills-one-way-or-another)

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill

Question: given what has transpired over the last couple of years do you believe or feel that you are in the right place and at the right time as in Ecuador?

Is Ecuador a good place to ride out the oncoming storm?

If not is there a place/country/continent that'd you rather be at this moment of time?

There's many groups/families/individuals relocating to the South American countries from what I have noticed over the last few months.

Appreciate your view/thoughts.
Given what has transpired over the last couple of years do you believe or feel that you are in the right place and at the right time as in Ecuador?

Yes, I'm very thankful I'm here. None of us can be sure what may transpire in the next few years, anywhere in the world, but right now I see no problems at all where I am.

Everything is 100% normal: 2% inflation, no shortages of anything, plenty of high quality bulk food of all kinds readily available, fruit and veg in roadside markets everywhere, gasoline/petrol prices fixed nationwide at $2.40/gallon (£0.52/liter).

My last monthly electricity bill was $12.66. I have a little portable backup generator, just in case, but in 3 years I've never had to use it and I just start it up for 5 minutes a month to keep it in good shape.

Gas for cooking and hot water is $1.20/month. I pay voluntary health insurance at $75/month which qualifies me for 100% free hospital treatment for anything at all should I ever need it. (I did have appendicitis once a few years ago. I drove myself to the hospital at midnight and was discharged 36 hours later having been treated impeccably, quickly and expertly, the equivalent of anywhere else in the world, or maybe better. It never cost me a thing.)

I have an ancient but reliable Isuzu Trooper 4x4 (400,000 km, 250,000 miles) that's kept strong and functional by an excellent and super-friendly English-speaking local mechanic who charges me $5/hour for servicing. I live year round with the doors and windows open, and there are no mosquitoes or anything at all that bites. There are no chemtrails, and yesterday I went on a high wild hike for a few hours with my dog up to 14,000 ft in the local mountains which are easy to get to from here.

For me, all this feels close to ideal. I'm never ever lonely, entirely self-sufficient in my own company, but I do spend almost all of my time alone — the one thing I'd quite like to change somehow if I had a genie who could magically grant me a wish. :).

Is Ecuador a good place to ride out the oncoming storm?

In my opinion, and based on everything I believe I can see all around me, yes. I do have to say, I'm mighty glad I'm not in the US, Canada, the UK, anywhere in Europe, or Aus/NZ.
My second choice (a very theoretical one, in some alternative universe!) would probably be Thailand.

As a PS to this, I took some photos of the bulk grains, flours and herbs available here at really low prices. There's wholewheat flour, brown rice flour, barley flour, pea flour, lentil flour, almond flour, hazelnut flour, maize flour, oat flour, coconut flour, quinoa flour, rye flour, sesame flour, maca flour, and a bunch of other flours I'd never even heard of before. :)

Other sacks contain all kinds of herbs and spices, sea salt crystals, nuts and beans, chia, linseed, teas, and pasta of all shapes and sizes: altogether quite an Aladdin's Cave of superfoods.
:happy dog:

https://projectavalon.net/Arandano_1.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/Arandano_2.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/Arandano_3.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/Arandano_4.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/Arandano_5.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

This maybe a question not for here, but I can’t think of a better place to tentatively ask.
Without crossing lines or breaching privacy… Does anyone know if Mashika is OK?
I thought perhaps you as main guide & leader of this forum may know something.

When you have a member on a forum with a strong voice, who comes across as both intelligent & astute in affairs that as a “Westerner” I simply don’t receive from the media… well… when that voice suddenly disappears due to stated health problems, we miss that voice and are also concerned about her.
I’m sure many of us are wondering & hoping that Mashika is ok.That's so very good of you to share your concern. :flower:

For anyone who may not be aware, this is what Mashika has posted about her current health issue: (she's in hospital with an undiagnosed major problem)


I'm going to get my pills, one way or another (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119082-I-m-going-to-get-my-pills-one-way-or-another)
(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119082-I-m-going-to-get-my-pills-one-way-or-another)

As an update to this, we've not heard a thing from Mashika for 10 days now. The mods are concerned. Emails are unanswered, and there's nothing we can do except hope that she's okay and somehow receiving good care.

:heart2:

[wondering]

I continue to also wonder where Matthew is...does anyone have any news about him?

[RunningDeer]

I continue to also wonder where Matthew is...does anyone have any news about him?

Matthew's last post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114253-Vaccine-Crimes&p=1503254&viewfull=1#post1503254) was on June 16, 2022. It may or may not explain why he's gone fishin' for a bit. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/noidea.gif


http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/Notices/gone-fishing.jpg

[ExomatrixTV]

I continue to also wonder where Matthew is...does anyone have any news about him?

Maybe we should make a new separate (private) Project Avalon Forum thread where all (active) P.A. members can share their alternative contact options like:


Facebook, twitter, instagram, email, truthsocial, rumble, bitchute, telegram, locals, odysee, gettr etc. etc.

If the majority of >> active << P.A. members offers this alternative option to contact it may prevent unnecessary worrying or wasting time searching for answers for most cases ... but not all ... what can/should we do if some one is really missing .... suggestions?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


<--! update !--:>



Share Your Alternative Contact Options in Case you are Missing (or emergency). (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119171-Share-Your-Alternative-Contact-Options-in-Case-if-you-are-Missing--or-emergency-.)

[7he5ource]

we've not heard a thing from Mashika for 10 days now. The mods are concerned. Emails are unanswered, and there's nothing we can do except hope that she's okay and somehow receiving good care.


I sent her a PM in Russian 2 days ago, no reply , was interested to learn anything from her.

[Mashika]

we've not heard a thing from Mashika for 10 days now. The mods are concerned. Emails are unanswered, and there's nothing we can do except hope that she's okay and somehow receiving good care.


I sent her a PM in Russian 2 days ago, no reply , was interested to learn anything from her.


Hi!, Still alive! Just passing by to say hi and please don't worry, i may not be able to be around for some time but i'm ok, i just can't go online :)


I'm sorry to disappoint some people lmao, but i'm not going down that easy. :P lmfao

[Johnnycomelately]

Hi!, Still alive! Just passing by to say hi and please don't worry, i may not be able to be around for some time but i'm ok, i just can't go online :)


I'm sorry to disappoint some people lmao, but i'm not going down that easy. :P lmfao

Hey we’re not disappointed, our prayers have been answered! ~8D

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119187-Prayers-for-Masha&highlight=Prayers

[Dennis Leahy]

we've not heard a thing from Mashika for 10 days now. The mods are concerned. Emails are unanswered, and there's nothing we can do except hope that she's okay and somehow receiving good care.


I sent her a PM in Russian 2 days ago, no reply , was interested to learn anything from her.


Hi!, Still alive! Just passing by to say hi and please don't worry, i may not be able to be around for some time but i'm ok, i just can't go online :)


I'm sorry to disappoint some people lmao, but i'm not going down that easy. :P lmfao

Great news that you are standing on top of the dirt. Let's keep it that way!:bigsmile:

[mizo]

Hi Bill I was contemplating last night that I haven't seen a proper night sky in years. I used to live in a rural part of Slovakia and remember I'd go outside lay on the grass and just view the stars. I really miss that.

What are the night sky's like in your location?

Do you take photos? If so please post some here if you have a chance.

Thanks :)

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill I was contemplating last night that I haven't seen a proper night sky in years. I used to live in a rural part of Slovakia and remember I'd go outside lay on the grass and just view the stars. I really miss that.

What are the night sky's like in your location?

Do you take photos? If so please post some here if you have a chance.

Thanks :)When it's not cloudy, I've never seen so many stars in all my life. :) It's the high altitude (and the thin, clear air, with no chemtrails here) that makes the difference.

When I camp up high (13,000 ft / 4000 meters or more), I always sleep outside my tent. (My tent is always sitting there in case the weather breaks.) There are billions of stars. Maybe trillions.

Once, I watched a bright fireball go from horizon to horizon slower than any meteor but much faster than any aircraft or satellite... I don't know what it was, but I was sure it had to be something artificial.

Sadly, I don't have a good enough camera to take a photo, but if I did it'd be spectacular. :)

[Bill Ryan]

Well, he's the new leader of the Free World.



I’d be genuinely interested to hear more about your thoughts regarding this, Bill: I'm no expert, but I've had many interesting conversations with members of our extended family who are Russian, and I just can’t reconcile the statement that Putin is the leader of “the free world” (not too sure what that phrase means these days) with the seemingly constant erosion of human rights and civil liberties in the Russian Federation.

Here are just a few of my concerns - apologies for the lengthy list!

Freedom House rates freedom in Russia at 19/100, with political rights at 5/40 and civil liberties at 16/40 (methodology is here https://freedomhouse.org/reports/freedom-world/freedom-world-research-methodology)
https://freedomhouse.org/country/russia/freedom-world/2022)

The section on Russia in the Human Rights Watch World Report on human rights around the globe in 2022 makes difficult reading:
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/russia

Suppression of dissent
Independent, free voices have been silenced. There is no political opposition any more in Russia: the main opposition activist, Aleksei Navalny, along with many other political activists, are either under house arrest, locked up in psychiatric institutions or imprisoned, or have fled the country. Others, such as Salman Tepsurkayev, have been “disappeared”.
Human rights defenders (including journalists, historians and scientists) are incarcerated as political prisoners. As of 2020, it’s believed that there are at least 380 political prisoners held in Russia https://amrusrights.wordpress.com/2021/06/14/russias-political-prisoners-directory/
Look at the political figures who have spoken against him - many of them have been imprisoned or placed under house arrest - or have had to leave Russia completely in order to be safe.
Dmitry Demushkin Mikhail Kasyanov Yulia Galyamina Kira Yarmysh Pyotr Verzilov, Pussy Riot …

Human Rights Watch Europe and Central Asia director sums up the crackdown on dissent as, “The Kremlin’s attack on civil society is vicious and cynical and has gone as far as accusing the country’s leading human rights group of violating key human rights treaties and designating peaceful political opposition and anti-corruption groups as “extremist.”

Media Freedom
Russia ranks 147th (out of 168) in terms of media freedom https://web.archive.org/web/20090306210631/http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=639

Laws relating to 'foreign agents’ and ‘undesirable organisations’ are used to suppress freedom of expression, and have silenced media, journalists and activists.
There are no longer any independent media outlets in Russia: everyone has to follow the Kremlin narrative or risk fines, arrest and imprisonment (and several journalists have met with ‘accidents’).
As I’m sure you know, there is now a law that effectively criminalises any public opposition to or independent news reporting about the war in Ukraine (even using the word ‘war’ is a crime).

The Right to Protest
The freedom to protest peacefully has been completely eroded: it’s almost impossible for protesters to exercise their right to freedom of peaceful assembly or protest, especially since the new law introduced in 2004. As an example,16,000 Russians who protested peacefully against the invasion of Ukraine were detained.
This is a report from last year by Amnesty regarding the freedom of peaceful assemble https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur46/4328/2021/en/?utm_source=annual_report&utm_medium=epub&utm_campaign=2021&utm_term=english

Nine out of the 13 major legislative amendments that have been used to curtail the right to freedom of peaceful assembly in Russia have been introduced since 2014, as part of a crackdown on anti-government protests and human rights guaranteed by the international human rights law and Russia’s own Constitution.

Surveillance
Online activity is tightly controlled by the state : VPNs and anonymises are restricted and I believe that Russian authorities have blocked 2,384 websites just this year.
Roskomnadzor, Russia’s internet and media censor, is used as a surveillance machine to keep everyone under state control and identify critics for the security agencies (see the leaked documents from DDoSecrets https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Roskomnadzor). Using the SORM-1, SORM-2 and SORM-3 programmes, it compiles dossiers on individuals and organizations posting regime-critical content, monitoring and storing the browsing history, phone calls, emails and texts of individuals.

Russia’s parliament also voted to allow people’s biometric data to be gathered from banks and stored on a database https://tass.ru/obschestvo/15130639?utm_source=banki.ru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=banki.ru&utm_referrer=banki.ru

There is state-sanctioned unregulated use of facial/silhouette recognition that has already facilitated the authorities’ targeting of political opponents. In April 2020, the Russian parliament adopted a law “On Experimenting with Artificial Intelligence,” allowing Moscow authorities to test new technology, including facial recognition, free of any legislation restrictions.
The use of this technology curtails the freedom of expression and association of people in Russia.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/15/russia-broad-facial-recognition-use-undermines-rights

NGOs
Laws made in 2006 regarding the operation of NGOs have effectively shut down any voluntary organisation that isn’t controlled by the government and subordinate to the state.
This is a report from the not-for-profit legal group ICNL on the laws regarding NGOs in Russia:
https://www.icnl.org/resources/research/ijnl/the-russian-ngo-law-potential-conflicts-with-international-national-and-foreign-legislation
The conclusion states: ‘The Russian NGO Law is unconstitutional and violates domestic, international, and foreign law.’

Memorial was an amazing human rights NGO founded in 1989. It ceased to exist in Russia earlier this year, having been liquidated by a court decision.
https://www.memo.ru/en-us/

Judiciary/Penal System
There is little chance of a fair trial in Russia: not only is there corruption in the judicial and penal systems, but the government controls the judiciary, and as a result, it is politicised. Torture and ill-treatment in prison and other penal institutions are well documented: are you familiar with the group Gulagu, run by the human rights activist, Vladimir Valeryevich Osechkin? They have been documenting corruption and Torture in Russia, with the help of more than 19,000 independent human rights defenders, volunteers and participants over the past 10 years. I really recommend looking at their site if you want to learn about the penitentiary services and law enforcement in Russia https://gulagu.net/about_us Warning - there is a lot of very disturbing material on there.

Corruption
Russia ranks 136 out of 180 countries with regard to corruption https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 Corruption is endemic and runs through all areas of life. Several lawyers and journalists who were investigating state authority crime have been assassinated.

I'm not picking a fight here.
I just can't see Putin as a leader of a 'free world'.
Maybe you could persuade me :bigsmile:

Many thanks. And yes, no 'fight' at all. :heart:

I genuinely appreciate the opportunity, as I've been kind of waiting for people to ask me direct questions. :)

So I've copied this from the WW3/Ukraine thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1525548&viewfull=1#post1525548) to here as my answer is likely to go beyond Ukraine and Russia, and is more about the future of the planet and all of humanity. I've been thinking about this quite a lot recently — and the more I think, the bigger it all gets.

Here are just some of the bulletpoints:


I've written quite a few times over the last few years — about Donald Trump — that it wasn't about who he is, but about who he's NOT. He's not a neocon, or a neoliberal, or a globalist, or a WEF member, and he certainly isn't Joe Biden or (far worse) Hillary Clinton. That all counts for a lot.



Exactly the same applies with Putin. He's none of those things either. Whatever his faults may be, he's measured, moderate, well-informed, cautious, and (see his recent speech at the Valdai International Discussion Club posted here in full (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1524884&viewfull=1#post1524884)) fiercely and sincerely critical of western, globalist, unipolar, neocolonialist agendas.



The President of the African Union, Macky Sall, said in June [my paraphrase, but I'd like to find his exact quote] that following his warm and friendly discussions with Putin he felt it was the first time the African people had been listened to and respected as equals. That was a huge, huge thing that should have put the North Americans and Europeans on notice.



Even now, Putin is seeking ways to get grain to the 'global south' (principally Africa) at low or zero cost. Whatever his motives may be, the Africans sincerely appreciate that, as (like the Europeans) they too are suffering as a result of the backlash from the sanctions war.



Putin stands against the American quasi-totalitarian quest for a US-dominated unipolar world. He's stated numerous times now on formal record that he values the right of each nation to be sovereign and to determine its own cultural norms and standards uninfluenced by others.



But there's more to all this. As most reading this will be aware, Putin, having taken almost no action at all since the Minsk accord was unsupported, violated, and broadly ignored since Sept 2014, eventually found himself in a position where he had no alternative but to order (or approve) the Special Military Operation/SMO in February 2022, principally to stave off what would have been a significant, forceful incursion of tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops into Donbass. The SMO was principally a defensive action. It was Ukraine, in turn pushed by the US, that was the aggressor. (A detailed and accurate history of Ukraine since 2013-2014 is beyond the scope of this post. :) Some might want to see Mashika's important thread, started in June 2021: Ukraine is a Nazi state, don't fall for the lie (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115334-Ukraine-is-a-Nazi-state-don-t-fall-for-the-lie).)



So — the US (supported by the EU/UK) is determined to bring down Russia by any means. What's baffling to many is summarized in all the points that follow.



Most reading this will know and agree that that attempt to bring down Russia is failing totally. The ruble is strong, Russia's economy is doing well, Russia has more than plenty of oil, gas, grain and minerals (which other nations do not), and Putin has strong internal support.



Moreover, Putin is also gaining strong support from a large number of non-US/EU/UK countries such as China, India, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Belarus, Asian CIS states such as Kazakhstan, and all of Africa. In terms of a proportion of global population, that's about 70-80% of the world.



The US/EU/UK is in a significant backed-into-a-corner minority. Yet they maintain their own increasingly aggressive, and increasingly self-destructive policies.



Many alt media analysts believe all this is due to ignorance, arrogance, and/or incompetence on behalf of western leaders. Not that many go as far as to assert this all has to be deliberate, because it's hard to understand a rationale. Even if this was about the WEF 'Great Reset', with the multipolar world that is being advocated by Russia, China, India et al, there'd be no agreement or consent to that — not on the WEF's terms.



A few (such as David DuByne and Ben Davidson) has suggested that this is all about a suppressed foreknowledge that there's some kind of major calamity on its way that will affect all of humanity whatever we do. On my thread From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis), started in 2012, I present circumstantial evidence, thin but very interesting, that a small select group of humans are planning to evacuate from the planet. This is allied to (and predates) Richard Dolan's thesis of a 'Breakaway Civilization'.



The 'Breakaway Civilization' notion is compelllng. Catherine Austin Fitts (see the thread Catherine Austin Fitts: all things Fitts (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101087-Catherine-Austin-Fitts-all-things-Fitts)) has argued persuasively that tens of trillions of dollars of US funds have gone missing and have been taken (or invested) off-planet. This is, of course, the so-called Secret Space Program, which I am certain is 100% real. To argue the case for this is also beyond the scope of this summary, but I have posted in considerable detail about this on many forum threads. (Secret Space Program Credibility (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&highlight=secret+space) is just one of them, another being From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis).)



So there's a real disconnect here. The US is in social chaos and disarray, infrastructure is crumbling, inflation is rising, energy is in short supply, yet on Wade Frazier's thread WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet) Wade has stated many times, in great detail, how he knows with certainty that highly classified Free Energy devices are real, working, practicable, and inexpensive. (Dr Steven Greer agrees, and so do I.)



Meanwhile, Chris Martenson, one of the brightest minds one might ever wish to pay attention to, argues with urgency that global GDP is all inextricably bound to energy availability (there's an extremely close, undeniable correlation) and the latter is about to come to a crunching halt. And many have pointed out, self included, that there is serious risk now of major, widespread global famine. (Michael Yon is one of the voices to listen to carefully, in particular in a September 2022 interview posted here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111686-Food-shortages-are-unavoidable-now.&p=1519601&viewfull=1#post1519601).)



So it still DOES look like to me that one of the things that could be happening — and soon after this point I'll pause this long complicated post — is a planned downsizing of Planet Earth (the covid vaxx project may well be connected with this as well, of course), because the planet's carrying capacity (not linked to living space, but to tightly constrained food, energy and other natural resources) has been reached.

To conclude:



So a small group of humans ('small' = maybe several thousand people picked for their genetics, ability, skills and wealth) may be about to leave the planet, maybe even to another star system (not a joke: Lockheed Skunk Works CEO Ben Rich stated unambiguously, 30 years ago, that this was now possible) — leaving Planet Earth to heal itself with a much reduced human population, maybe with only the strong and able having survived a series of calamities both natural and man-made, possibly including a major global war as well as famine.



Most reading this will be aware that it seems that the US is trying to start such a global war in any way that it can. And looping back to Putin, I'd bet everything I own and more that (a) if this large-scale classified plan is an actual one, and (b) if he's aware of it, he does not support it.



In return, that earns him my own full support for all his clearly and articulately stated stances on global affairs and his own vision for a "Fair" World Order (which most of the world's nations quietly but fully agree with).



It has to be possible that ALL these options could come about: a multipolar world order, a significantly reduced population, enough resources and food to go around, and a small group of humans having left the planet to colonize elsewhere, rather like the Pilgrims on the Mayflower. (Or maybe, the Vikings that preceded them!)



And as a final thought, the pathological desire to destroy all they can before some of them leave may be rather like a disturbed and vindictive family trashing their rented house.... before they move to a new home.

I understand that there are many unanswered questions here still, and the actual truth may be a variant on (or only a small part of!) all the above. There's much more to say, but I'll pause now and let readers absorb the above thesis for a short while.

:)

[Violet3]

Well, I agree with you Bill.
Before pointing the finger at Putin's Russia, which I am sure has many issues just like all countries do, I think we should take a hard look at our own social and political systems. Australia is a good example of what people seem to think is modern 'democracy'. There is little freedom of expression here- people get silenced, ridiculed or shut down all the time; the totally controlled media blares war, hate and violence constantly; people fear for survival and do not protest the militarisation of the police or the ridiculous 'emergency' powers which seem permanent and are quite draconian; the political system offers no real alternatives, politicians pay only lip service to voters in meaningless elections, and are basically puppets of the corporates and the global elites.... I could go on. This is not a democracy and feels increasingly like a sort of prison.

Putin has quite politely suggested that we all take a look at ourselves before trying to continue forcing other countries to join and be ruled by the not so free world. His observations about us are pointed and worthy of serious consideration rather than deliberate mis-representation along with vilification of Putin himself.

Thoughts about a couple of your comments Bill:
- the global food shortages have clearly been manufactured by putting many businesses and especially farmers out of business using the pandemic op. There is no reason I can see why the world population should be unsustainable if countries worked together to ensure access to food supplies and supported production and transportation instead of ruining it.
- I do think there is a secret space program also, or perhaps a vast underground civiilisation being built, or both. But why would a small group of elite go to all this trouble to try to impose the unipolar model on the planet, only to leave it? I am inclined to think the elite wish to reduce populations and intimidate the survivors to deepen their power and control here on planet. A grim scenario but perhaps one that is necessary in order to wake people up to reality and to the remaining choices they may have.

In the bigger picture, Putin is the only modern, surviving major leader who is offering a critique of the globalist agenda and a different vision for the global population. It could not be more important at this time IMO.

[araucaria]

On my thread From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis), started in 2012, I present circumstantial evidence, thin but very interesting, that a small select group of humans are planning to evacuate from the planet. This is allied to (and predates) Richard Dolan's thesis of a 'Breakaway Civilization'.

The 'Breakaway Civilization' notion is compelllng. Catherine Austin Fitts (see the thread Catherine Austin Fitts: all things Fitts (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101087-Catherine-Austin-Fitts-all-things-Fitts)) has argued persuasively that tens of trillions of dollars of US funds have gone missing and have been taken (or invested) off-planet. This is, of course, the so-called Secret Space Program, which I am certain is 100% real. To argue the case for this is also beyond the scope of this summary, but I have posted in considerable detail about this on many forum threads. (Secret Space Program Credibility (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&highlight=secret+space) is just one of them, another being From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis).)


While I have by no means read all the material on this subject, here are my two cents. Breakaway civilizations are all well and good, but they pose a huge logistical problem which I do not see being covered in the accounts given. They basically imply that we see top elitists performing like astronauts. When you see them needing a valet to squeeze their toothpaste or a bunch of underage sex slaves to service them, you have to scale this up to every aspect of comfortable living, and you end up with the 1% relying very heavily, if not on the entire 99% at least on a huge army of supporting workers. Not only does the elite have an unbelievably excessive need in terms of personnel, the same goes for space and every other earth-based commodity and creature comfort. To go from multiple castles and palaces to some underground bunker on Earth, or on Mars, possibly after a long period in the inevitably cramped quarters of a spaceship, is a very big ask. What I am saying is, these people do not have the pioneering fibre.


You may say the preparations have been going on for quite some time, but that doesn’t alter the fact that you are transporting some kind of royalty, with everything that entails. Such people do not lead from the front. It is a very different story from the one imagined in Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy, in which an initial expedition of 100 hardy engineers and technicians capable of dealing with any eventuality evolves over 150 years – literally growing as a family populating the planet – into something that begins to resemble a stable colony, somewhat on the lines of the colonization of America, and politically just as messy. What happens is that government is left behind on earth (England), losing power, realtime influence and ultimately all relevance, leading to much upheaval and final revolution imposing Martian independence.


What the ‘breakaway civilization’ is supposed to be doing is the exact reverse. The helpless elite would be cutting itself off from everyone and everything it is so reliant upon, and the project is not so much one of repopulation as of depopulation. It cannot survive alone without an army of attendants, servants, maintenance workers, scientists, medics, teachers, a whole society in fact. On the contrary, these are the people who can and did make colonization work. The fictional Mars colonization is therefore plausible for having this precedent where the major ingredient was leaving the elite well behind and out of harm’s way. And the breakaway theory is implausible for turning this logic on its head.


The more plausible alternative would be to see it as some kind of imperialist expedition to some unsuspecting earth-like planet where the necessary personnel would be already on the spot ready to be enslaved. If so, this places a whole new complexion on the situation, for instead of saying ‘Good riddance, maybe we can sort out Earth when they’ve gone’, the impulse would rather be to say, ‘We cannot let this happen, we need the Earth to self-isolate and deal with this disease without allowing it to spread, even if it kills us all.’ It would make no difference if it were true that this is what happened to this planet. The idea that it is somehow being quarantined suggests that measures are already in place to deal with any breakaway.


Another factor is the numbers involved. The overprivileged ‘1%’ actually comes to 80 million people, from which a few thousand qualified specialists might be enlisted to launch an expedition of this kind, bringing us back to the expansionist Robinson-type scenario. On the other hand, the catastrophe scenario, whereby the Earth becomes uninhabitable, would appear to require the participation of the ultimate controllers themselves, who may very well be self-selected on the basis of wealth only, and hence so much dead weight. It would depend on relative numbers whether or not this might work. The closer you get to zero the more you would be approaching some kind of satanic force at work rather than a human elite. What distinguishes the two situations would be a human element’s need for self-preservation: it would surely not want to go down with the ship.

[Bill Ryan]

While I have by no means read all the material on this subject, here are my two cents. Breakaway civilizations are all well and good, but they pose a huge logistical problem which I do not see being covered in the accounts given. They basically imply that we see top elitists performing like astronauts. Well, it might be more advanced than we realize.

Sean David Morton has described seeing a 1600 foot long shovel-nosed craft coming into land at Area 51, in 1991 or 1992. (See this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1427752&viewfull=1#post1427752).) I believe his account.


That was 30 years ago.
It was the size of an aircraft carrier.
It could have transported thousands of people (and/or a huge amount of equipment and resources), and would have looked like a larger version of this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/X-30_NASP_2.jpg

Here's another account. (See this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&p=72378&viewfull=1#post72378).) The nephew of a friend of Gordon Novel, hiking on his own in the Utah desert 25 miles from the nearest road back in 2006 or 2007, described seeing a 600 foot long, black arrow-shaped craft coming in to land, hovering, and descending into the desert through an enormous camouflaged sliding door that opened to receive it, and then silently closed again. Gordon Novel himself told Coast to Coast AM's George Knapp (http://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3), over 10 years ago, that there were 8 such craft in service.

Ben Rich, who I referenced in my long post just above, stated the following in the early 90s, shortly before he died:

https://projectavalon.net/Ben_Rich_quotes_1.gif

That strongly suggests that (a) these Star Trek style craft existed 30 years ago, and (b) they can reach (and have reached) other star systems.

So we're not talking about little Apollo modules here with 3 people in them and the resources to stay alive for 10-12 days. These are large, sophisticated ships that are more like ocean liners. And speculating further, the planets they may have reached could be earth-like and hospitable, not barren and challenging to colonize like the Moon or Mars.

In summary, it may be far more akin to the journey of the Mayflower (or the Vikings! :) ) to North America several centuries ago, than (say) Shackleton's or Scott's expeditions to Antarctica. If all this has been in play for 30 years or more, one might only guess how much progress may have been made in that time.

Finally, below is just one artist's impression of Mars in 2050. That's 30 years from now. It seems a plausible vision, exactly the kind that is being actively and realistically planned now by Elon Musk's SpaceX.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mwFb8bFHkm0/maxresdefault.jpg

If a distant planet being colonized was green with a breathable atmosphere, whatever kind of home that could be created there might really be a very pleasant and welcome place to be.

Of course, there would have to be mining, 3D printing of everything, and many industrial processes, though presumably this project would be powered by Free Energy generators. And many other creatures would already be living there, maybe intelligent ones too. So once again — of course — there are hundreds more unanswered questions.

But while some of all this is connecting quite widely-spaced dots (which could also be connected in different ways to form differing pictures), my thesis is that this is all maybe not an impossible thing to consider.

One final note (for now :) ), an idea which is also rarely discussed.

In the 200,000+ years in which it seems that anatomically modern humans have existed (and Michael Cremo, as per the thread Michael Cremo: Forbidden Archeology (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8374-Michael-Cremo-Forbidden-Archeology&highlight=cremo), would argue that this period is actually far longer), there's plenty of time for a Breakaway Civilization to have developed, become space-based, and actually left (as well).

Think back to our own history: we've become a space-faring civilization in a mere 10,000 years or less. That 10,000 year period of development could be copied-and-pasted into just about any epoch in that 200,000+ year past, and there'd be little or no archeological record of it.

One answer to the perplexing question of how some of the reported ETs encountered are entirely human-looking is that they might literally be our own ancestors, long since migrated and relocated elsewhere.

They may be Homo Sapiens Sapiens as well, identical to us in every way apart from their technological advancement, maybe 50,000 years ahead of us. And if so, then just maybe, today's new Breakaway Civilization (Breakaway 2.0, as it were) might be welcomed to a new 'New World' by their very own ancestors. It'd make a great movie. :)

[onawah]

At the risk of sounding tiresome, something which is seldom taken into account in these speculations about colonizing other planets is the 12,000 year solar cycle, which affects not only planet Earth, but this entire region of space.
There are unprecedented (at least unprecedented in the last 12,000 years ) and unpredictable changes happening in our solar system which may well make the other planets more uninhabitable than was previously supposed.
And more difficult to calculate what exactly would be required to settle there.

[araucaria]

. :)
Lots of questions yes. And a dearth of answers: let’s find some. The beauty of Kim Stanley Robinson’s blockbuster novel (‘It'd make a great movie.’) is that he takes the myriad things generally known about Mars and systematically answers the question How would humans perform in these circumstances? But here we need to work out the circumstances.


To summarize: my takeaway from your post, Bill, is that, contrary to all of the usual stuff about the evil deep state and the conspiracy to enslave the human race, this space odyssey business sounds all good, in keeping with the ongoing story of human adventure, like Mallory climbing Everest ‘because it’s there’. Normally speaking, I would have no problem with that... but for the small matter of the missing trillions. As far as I know the likes of Shackleton and Scott did not impoverish the whole world to do their thing. This idea of it all being good is another thing that any plausible account will have to address, which is what I intend to do here.


‘Apollo modules’: That’s not what I was suggesting. Astro-nauts navigate among the stars. Pioneers do so at some risk. Earth navigators sail the seas and mountaineers climb mountains not just because they are there, and not just because they have the skills to take such risks, but equally because they are adventurers/risk-takers. The unknown destination ‘might really be a very pleasant and welcome place to be’ – then again it might not. You might send someone on a mission like that, but it takes a special sort to volunteer; certainly, one would not expect world leaders to do so. Even ocean-going liners were a risky business not so long ago: La Bourgogne sank in 1898; La Champagne was accident-prone for thirty years before finally snapping in two in 1917. So the Titanic was no one-off. It was then state-of-the-art as to speed, yet primitive as to radar (none); the primitive won. Its coal-lined hull was strong to begin with, but as the coal was used up it became relatively frail. So geography contributed to the catastrophe: it was in the wrong place at the wrong time, hitting an iceberg on nearly empty. Had it been coming the other way, it might have been OK. But it was racing along, doing something fairly new like an old hand. To be sure, the first class accommodation was fabulous, but playing no more part in the operation of the machine than the proverbial deckchairs, it all sank to the bottom. No conspiracy theory needed.




Below are some more bullet points.
‘Green with a breathable atmosphere’: sounds like Earth only very recently: again, why bother? Plus the question: what’s the great hurry? Why do tens of trillions need to be stolen from the vast majority of earth dwellers in order to seek out a putative home from home? Humanity could go there when it is collectively ready. Meanwhile, why look to Plan(et) B when Plan(et) A is still salvageable? Or if it is not, why not? For an answer, see below.


‘we've become a space-faring civilization in a mere 10,000 years or less’. The Wright brothers took off only a hundred odd years ago. The point being, the faster this has happened, the closer we are to pioneering work, the dangerous work of test pilots, not the quick holiday excursion for pennies with Ryanair.


‘just maybe, today's new Breakaway Civilization (Breakaway 2.0, as it were) might be welcomed to a new 'New World' by their very own ancestors.’ Well, beyond two or three generations, I find ancestors are just ordinary people like everyone else. I find I am amazed and enchanted to find close contemporaries who are so very different. Most of one’s family are not blood relations anyway. This sounds like a glorified session of looking in the mirror. For an alternative reading, see below.


‘It'd make a great movie.’ Well yes, make the movie; but what happened to real life? Alternative answer: someone has usually already made the movie, the question is which one? See below.


Not forgetting:
‘Sean David Morton has described seeing a 1600 foot long shovel-nosed craft coming into land at Area 51, in 1991 or 1992. (See this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1427752&viewfull=1#post1427752).) I believe his account.’ Why would anyone believe Sean David Morton?
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88821-Sean-David-Morton&p=1140870&viewfull=1#post1140870
Maybe because “Conspiracy theorists are always right,” Morton told the room. https://jezebel.com/sail-far-away-at-sea-with-americas-largest-floating-1760900554
This is patently false since conspiracy theories are nearly always disinformation designed to conceal the real stuff. Morton’s dishonesty has been established, so he has no place in a discussion indicating 100% certainty. But at least he doesn’t rob people of money they didn’t know they had and didn’t notice disappearing. This by the way is an aspect of the story that needs explaining. How can a country lose tens of trillions without even noticing? And why steal money when you can just print it?


And the biggest question, which has already been addressed, remains, What for? The answer, ‘Because it’s there!’ won’t wash. The Moon is there, Mars is there, but they seem pretty dead, and beyond that, you get, What is where??!! Nothing much anywhere.
Maurice Chatelain wrote that Barney and Betty Hill were credible witnesses because in pointing to Zeta Reticuli, they were predicting something astronomers only found out later: the star is a binary, probably the tightest-knit binary going. He concluded that this would be a good place to produce some early spacefarers. Why? Because the places to explore were known to exist on the cosmic doorstep. This story runs exactly parallel to the Sirius tale among the Dogon, except that Sirius B was known at the time, but there was a correct prediction of Sirius C, and even its type. Sirians would have been similarly motivated to travel, because they had known places to visit. We earthlings have no such obvious destination. So, what is going on?


Ben Rich: ‘I just can’t tell you what we are doing.’ If this is believable, then everything else he says is garbage. Conversely, if the rest has any value, it would have to mean, ‘This is what we are doing’. Actually, Ben Rich is pretty explicit, much more so than I remembered: ‘The Air Force has just given us a contract to take ET back home.’ So I think we must take that as read. ET came here and couldn’t get back home, not just the little fella in the movie, the entire crew. Such accidents happen to explorers; after all, wasn’t Roswell a crash site? They have been stranded here maybe for eons on a planet that doesn’t suit them at all. They don’t get on with humans, and make matters worse by feeding on them. This might explain why they have preferred to keep a low profile, apart from hurrying up scientific advances to the point of helping humans to build the technology to ‘take ET back home.’ If so, the likeliest candidates are going to be the unpleasantest; it sounds like the reptilians.


The first thing this explains is the What for/where to? issue. We don’t have a destination, but ET does and has made his home our destination. We don’t have a choice in the matter, but it is all to the good anyway: a perfect win-win situation if we succeed together. Archetypes of a parting of the ways, two Earths, are no longer to be seen in terms of some kind of heaven and hell arrangement, but simply a case of visitors having (involuntarily) outstayed their welcome and finally going home with our help. I can now also answer an earlier question as to why Planet A is currently in great danger: because of this unaffordable destination Planet B. Contrary to standard practice, plan A is failing because of trying to implement plan B. This is back to front from our perspective but not from ET’s. Likewise, the idea of space travel to discover ancestors is a hypothesis for humans, but for ET going home such a family reunion is the whole purpose of the exercise.


Disclosure might happen before they are gone. The act of embezzling tens of trillions in a manner almost but not quite undetectable would be just the starting-point for what is now hitting the mainstream news in terms of blatant asset-stripping by western governments. ET’s plight has also been rising to human consciousness for some time in the form of the migrant crisis seen in many parts of the world. Of course there are differences. Our human migrants are travelling in life-threatening conditions to wherever because their home is no longer home; so taking them back, which one supposes in most cases would be their real preference, would require restoring that home. This is precisely the sort of healing work that can commence following, not closure per se but following the release of removal off-planet of this hugely disruptive alien presence that was possibly (probably) never truly hostile, except that things just didn’t work out. Healing will inevitably involve some vast truth and reconciliation operation to deal with all those more or less unwilling collaborators and move on to a situation where human values and practices prevail, with the help of the new technology. The ultimate positive will have been the difficult collaboration that led to a solution being found. Humans being very much the junior partner, were never in the driving seat, but have now been brought up to speed and can begin a new era without all the previous constraints. Whatever we think of their table manners, we can at least thank our visitors for that. Thanks for calling on us, pleased to have met you, and nice to see you finally on your way. Have a safe journey home.

[loungelizard]

Well, he's the new leader of the Free World.



I’d be genuinely interested to hear more about your thoughts regarding this, Bill: I'm no expert, but I've had many interesting conversations with members of our extended family who are Russian, and I just can’t reconcile the statement that Putin is the leader of “the free world” (not too sure what that phrase means these days) with the seemingly constant erosion of human rights and civil liberties in the Russian Federation.

Here are just a few of my concerns - apologies for the lengthy list!

Freedom House rates freedom in Russia at 19/100, with political rights at 5/40 and civil liberties at 16/40 (methodology is here https://freedomhouse.org/reports/freedom-world/freedom-world-research-methodology)
https://freedomhouse.org/country/russia/freedom-world/2022)

The section on Russia in the Human Rights Watch World Report on human rights around the globe in 2022 makes difficult reading:
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/russia

Suppression of dissent
Independent, free voices have been silenced. There is no political opposition any more in Russia: the main opposition activist, Aleksei Navalny, along with many other political activists, are either under house arrest, locked up in psychiatric institutions or imprisoned, or have fled the country. Others, such as Salman Tepsurkayev, have been “disappeared”.
Human rights defenders (including journalists, historians and scientists) are incarcerated as political prisoners. As of 2020, it’s believed that there are at least 380 political prisoners held in Russia https://amrusrights.wordpress.com/2021/06/14/russias-political-prisoners-directory/
Look at the political figures who have spoken against him - many of them have been imprisoned or placed under house arrest - or have had to leave Russia completely in order to be safe.
Dmitry Demushkin Mikhail Kasyanov Yulia Galyamina Kira Yarmysh Pyotr Verzilov, Pussy Riot …

Human Rights Watch Europe and Central Asia director sums up the crackdown on dissent as, “The Kremlin’s attack on civil society is vicious and cynical and has gone as far as accusing the country’s leading human rights group of violating key human rights treaties and designating peaceful political opposition and anti-corruption groups as “extremist.”

Media Freedom
Russia ranks 147th (out of 168) in terms of media freedom https://web.archive.org/web/20090306210631/http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=639

Laws relating to 'foreign agents’ and ‘undesirable organisations’ are used to suppress freedom of expression, and have silenced media, journalists and activists.
There are no longer any independent media outlets in Russia: everyone has to follow the Kremlin narrative or risk fines, arrest and imprisonment (and several journalists have met with ‘accidents’).
As I’m sure you know, there is now a law that effectively criminalises any public opposition to or independent news reporting about the war in Ukraine (even using the word ‘war’ is a crime).

The Right to Protest
The freedom to protest peacefully has been completely eroded: it’s almost impossible for protesters to exercise their right to freedom of peaceful assembly or protest, especially since the new law introduced in 2004. As an example,16,000 Russians who protested peacefully against the invasion of Ukraine were detained.
This is a report from last year by Amnesty regarding the freedom of peaceful assemble https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur46/4328/2021/en/?utm_source=annual_report&utm_medium=epub&utm_campaign=2021&utm_term=english

Nine out of the 13 major legislative amendments that have been used to curtail the right to freedom of peaceful assembly in Russia have been introduced since 2014, as part of a crackdown on anti-government protests and human rights guaranteed by the international human rights law and Russia’s own Constitution.

Surveillance
Online activity is tightly controlled by the state : VPNs and anonymises are restricted and I believe that Russian authorities have blocked 2,384 websites just this year.
Roskomnadzor, Russia’s internet and media censor, is used as a surveillance machine to keep everyone under state control and identify critics for the security agencies (see the leaked documents from DDoSecrets https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Roskomnadzor). Using the SORM-1, SORM-2 and SORM-3 programmes, it compiles dossiers on individuals and organizations posting regime-critical content, monitoring and storing the browsing history, phone calls, emails and texts of individuals.

Russia’s parliament also voted to allow people’s biometric data to be gathered from banks and stored on a database https://tass.ru/obschestvo/15130639?utm_source=banki.ru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=banki.ru&utm_referrer=banki.ru

There is state-sanctioned unregulated use of facial/silhouette recognition that has already facilitated the authorities’ targeting of political opponents. In April 2020, the Russian parliament adopted a law “On Experimenting with Artificial Intelligence,” allowing Moscow authorities to test new technology, including facial recognition, free of any legislation restrictions.
The use of this technology curtails the freedom of expression and association of people in Russia.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/15/russia-broad-facial-recognition-use-undermines-rights

NGOs
Laws made in 2006 regarding the operation of NGOs have effectively shut down any voluntary organisation that isn’t controlled by the government and subordinate to the state.
This is a report from the not-for-profit legal group ICNL on the laws regarding NGOs in Russia:
https://www.icnl.org/resources/research/ijnl/the-russian-ngo-law-potential-conflicts-with-international-national-and-foreign-legislation
The conclusion states: ‘The Russian NGO Law is unconstitutional and violates domestic, international, and foreign law.’

Memorial was an amazing human rights NGO founded in 1989. It ceased to exist in Russia earlier this year, having been liquidated by a court decision.
https://www.memo.ru/en-us/

Judiciary/Penal System
There is little chance of a fair trial in Russia: not only is there corruption in the judicial and penal systems, but the government controls the judiciary, and as a result, it is politicised. Torture and ill-treatment in prison and other penal institutions are well documented: are you familiar with the group Gulagu, run by the human rights activist, Vladimir Valeryevich Osechkin? They have been documenting corruption and Torture in Russia, with the help of more than 19,000 independent human rights defenders, volunteers and participants over the past 10 years. I really recommend looking at their site if you want to learn about the penitentiary services and law enforcement in Russia https://gulagu.net/about_us Warning - there is a lot of very disturbing material on there.

Corruption
Russia ranks 136 out of 180 countries with regard to corruption https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 Corruption is endemic and runs through all areas of life. Several lawyers and journalists who were investigating state authority crime have been assassinated.

I'm not picking a fight here.
I just can't see Putin as a leader of a 'free world'.
Maybe you could persuade me :bigsmile:

Many thanks. And yes, no 'fight' at all. :heart:

I genuinely appreciate the opportunity, as I've been kind of waiting for people to ask me direct questions. :)

So I've copied this from the WW3/Ukraine thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1525548&viewfull=1#post1525548) to here as my answer is likely to go beyond Ukraine and Russia, and is more about the future of the planet and all of humanity. I've been thinking about this quite a lot recently — and the more I think, the bigger it all gets.

Here are just some of the bulletpoints:


I've written quite a few times over the last few years — about Donald Trump — that it wasn't about who he is, but about who he's NOT. He's not a neocon, or a neoliberal, or a globalist, or a WEF member, and he certainly isn't Joe Biden or (far worse) Hillary Clinton. That all counts for a lot.



Exactly the same applies with Putin. He's none of those things either. Whatever his faults may be, he's measured, moderate, well-informed, cautious, and (see his recent speech at the Valdai International Discussion Club posted here in full (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia&p=1524884&viewfull=1#post1524884)) fiercely and sincerely critical of western, globalist, unipolar, neocolonialist agendas.



The President of the African Union, Macky Sall, said in June [my paraphrase, but I'd like to find his exact quote] that following his warm and friendly discussions with Putin he felt it was the first time the African people had been listened to and respected as equals. That was a huge, huge thing that should have put the North Americans and Europeans on notice.



Even now, Putin is seeking ways to get grain to the 'global south' (principally Africa) at low or zero cost. Whatever his motives may be, the Africans sincerely appreciate that, as (like the Europeans) they too are suffering as a result of the backlash from the sanctions war.



Putin stands against the American quasi-totalitarian quest for a US-dominated unipolar world. He's stated numerous times now on formal record that he values the right of each nation to be sovereign and to determine its own cultural norms and standards uninfluenced by others.



But there's more to all this. As most reading this will be aware, Putin, having taken almost no action at all since the Minsk accord was unsupported, violated, and broadly ignored since Sept 2014, eventually found himself in a position where he had no alternative but to order (or approve) the Special Military Operation/SMO in February 2022, principally to stave off what would have been a significant, forceful incursion of tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops into Donbass. The SMO was principally a defensive action. It was Ukraine, in turn pushed by the US, that was the aggressor. (A detailed and accurate history of Ukraine since 2013-2014 is beyond the scope of this post. :) Some might want to see Mashika's important thread, started in June 2021: Ukraine is a Nazi state, don't fall for the lie (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115334-Ukraine-is-a-Nazi-state-don-t-fall-for-the-lie).)



So — the US (supported by the EU/UK) is determined to bring down Russia by any means. What's baffling to many is summarized in all the points that follow.



Most reading this will know and agree that that attempt to bring down Russia is failing totally. The ruble is strong, Russia's economy is doing well, Russia has more than plenty of oil, gas, grain and minerals (which other nations do not), and Putin has strong internal support.



Moreover, Putin is also gaining strong support from a large number of non-US/EU/UK countries such as China, India, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Belarus, Asian CIS states such as Kazakhstan, and all of Africa. In terms of a proportion of global population, that's about 70-80% of the world.



The US/EU/UK is in a significant backed-into-a-corner minority. Yet they maintain their own increasingly aggressive, and increasingly self-destructive policies.



Many alt media analysts believe all this is due to ignorance, arrogance, and/or incompetence on behalf of western leaders. Not that many go as far as to assert this all has to be deliberate, because it's hard to understand a rationale. Even if this was about the WEF 'Great Reset', with the multipolar world that is being advocated by Russia, China, India et al, there'd be no agreement or consent to that — not on the WEF's terms.



A few (such as David DuByne and Ben Davidson) has suggested that this is all about a suppressed foreknowledge that there's some kind of major calamity on its way that will affect all of humanity whatever we do. On my thread From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis), started in 2012, I present circumstantial evidence, thin but very interesting, that a small select group of humans are planning to evacuate from the planet. This is allied to (and predates) Richard Dolan's thesis of a 'Breakaway Civilization'.



The 'Breakaway Civilization' notion is compelllng. Catherine Austin Fitts (see the thread Catherine Austin Fitts: all things Fitts (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101087-Catherine-Austin-Fitts-all-things-Fitts)) has argued persuasively that tens of trillions of dollars of US funds have gone missing and have been taken (or invested) off-planet. This is, of course, the so-called Secret Space Program, which I am certain is 100% real. To argue the case for this is also beyond the scope of this summary, but I have posted in considerable detail about this on many forum threads. (Secret Space Program Credibility (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&highlight=secret+space) is just one of them, another being From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis).)



So there's a real disconnect here. The US is in social chaos and disarray, infrastructure is crumbling, inflation is rising, energy is in short supply, yet on Wade Frazier's thread WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet) Wade has stated many times, in great detail, how he knows with certainty that highly classified Free Energy devices are real, working, practicable, and inexpensive. (Dr Steven Greer agrees, and so do I.)



Meanwhile, Chris Martenson, one of the brightest minds one might ever wish to pay attention to, argues with urgency that global GDP is all inextricably bound to energy availability (there's an extremely close, undeniable correlation) and the latter is about to come to a crunching halt. And many have pointed out, self included, that there is serious risk now of major, widespread global famine. (Michael Yon is one of the voices to listen to carefully, in particular in a September 2022 interview posted here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111686-Food-shortages-are-unavoidable-now.&p=1519601&viewfull=1#post1519601).)



So it still DOES look like to me that one of the things that could be happening — and soon after this point I'll pause this long complicated post — is a planned downsizing of Planet Earth (the covid vaxx project may well be connected with this as well, of course), because the planet's carrying capacity (not linked to living space, but to tightly constrained food, energy and other natural resources) has been reached.

To conclude:



So a small group of humans ('small' = maybe several thousand people picked for their genetics, ability, skills and wealth) may be about to leave the planet, maybe even to another star system (not a joke: Lockheed Skunk Works CEO Ben Rich stated unambiguously, 30 years ago, that this was now possible) — leaving Planet Earth to heal itself with a much reduced human population, maybe with only the strong and able having survived a series of calamities both natural and man-made, possibly including a major global war as well as famine.



Most reading this will be aware that it seems that the US is trying to start such a global war in any way that it can. And looping back to Putin, I'd bet everything I own and more that (a) if this large-scale classified plan is an actual one, and (b) if he's aware of it, he does not support it.



In return, that earns him my own full support for all his clearly and articulately stated stances on global affairs and his own vision for a "Fair" World Order (which most of the world's nations quietly but fully agree with).



It has to be possible that ALL these options could come about: a multipolar world order, a significantly reduced population, enough resources and food to go around, and a small group of humans having left the planet to colonize elsewhere, rather like the Pilgrims on the Mayflower. (Or maybe, the Vikings that preceded them!)



And as a final thought, the pathological desire to destroy all they can before some of them leave may be rather like a disturbed and vindictive family trashing their rented house.... before they move to a new home.

I understand that there are many unanswered questions here still, and the actual truth may be a variant on (or only a small part of!) all the above. There's much more to say, but I'll pause now and let readers absorb the above thesis for a short while.

:)




Thanks for your thoughts about the bigger picture, Bill. I’ll make a coffee and have a careful read through them.

In the meantime, could you please explain how you see Putin as “the new leader of the free world” when the people of the country over which he rules are having their freedoms increasingly eroded.

I’ve already posted a list of the main freedoms that are being curtailed, but I was reading today about the assault on academic freedom, and the right to freedom of expression in Russia. No dissenting opinions are tolerated in schools or universities, and academic freedom is being obliterated. The Kremlin’s narrative is being pushed to schoolchildren - see this video about Kremlin propaganda in schools QeAlklcXPdY
Students are expelled should they dare speak out against the part line, and educators are being sacked for making anti-war remarks (sometimes informed on to the authorities by their students, which is reminiscent of the Hitler youth). Some educators are under “administrative arrest” and there are massive fines being imposed:
Roman Melnichenko, Associate Professor at Volgograd State University;
Elena Baybekova, a maths teacher from Astrakhan;
Alexander Kynev a lecturer at HSE;
Evgenia Paygina, a lecturer at Amur State University;
Irina Gen, an English teacher from Penza;
Marina Dubrova, at School No. 6 in the city of Korsakov;
Denis Skopin, an associate professor at St. Petersburg State University;
Kamran Manafly, a teacher from School Number 498 in Moscow’s Tagansky District

… and these are just the few that we know about. In addition, there are many others who have resigned their positions in protest at the restrictions on freedom of expression.

I genuinely don’t understand why people aren’t horrified by all this.

We all know that actions are what counts.
Putin’s actions against the people of his own country are the actions of a man who believes that freedom, human rights and civil liberties are of less value than the preservation of his absolute power.
Words are cheap.
Lies are easy.
Manipulation is key.
Control is everything.

[pounamuknight]

Thanks for your thoughts about the bigger picture, Bill. I’ll make a coffee and have a careful read through them.

In the meantime, could you please explain how you see Putin as “the new leader of the free world” when the people of the country over which he rules are having their freedoms increasingly eroded.

I’ve already posted a list of the main freedoms that are being curtailed, but I was reading today about the assault on academic freedom, and the right to freedom of expression in Russia. No dissenting opinions are tolerated in schools or universities, and academic freedom is being obliterated. The Kremlin’s narrative is being pushed to schoolchildren - see this video about Kremlin propaganda in schools QeAlklcXPdY
Students are expelled should they dare speak out against the part line, and educators are being sacked for making anti-war remarks (sometimes informed on to the authorities by their students, which is reminiscent of the Hitler youth). Some educators are under “administrative arrest” and there are massive fines being imposed:
Roman Melnichenko, Associate Professor at Volgograd State University;
Elena Baybekova, a maths teacher from Astrakhan;
Alexander Kynev a lecturer at HSE;
Evgenia Paygina, a lecturer at Amur State University;
Irina Gen, an English teacher from Penza;
Marina Dubrova, at School No. 6 in the city of Korsakov;
Denis Skopin, an associate professor at St. Petersburg State University;
Kamran Manafly, a teacher from School Number 498 in Moscow’s Tagansky District

… and these are just the few that we know about. In addition, there are many others who have resigned their positions in protest at the restrictions on freedom of expression.

I genuinely don’t understand why people aren’t horrified by all this.

We all know that actions are what counts.
Putin’s actions against the people of his own country are the actions of a man who believes that freedom, human rights and civil liberties are of less value than the preservation of his absolute power.
Words are cheap.
Lies are easy.
Manipulation is key.
Control is everything.

It's not Putin firing those educators. Its those heads/boards of those particular institutions within those oblasts

I did a quick search about the first example: Roman Melnichenko, Associate Professor at Volgograd State University

Came across this from a local news site in Volgograd (https://www.os34.ru/articles/society/dotsent_volgogradskogo_gosuniversiteta_byl_uvolen_posle_kriticheskikh_vyskazyvaniy_o_spetsoperatsii/)

It states other professors--and even heads of departments--from the same university were/are publicly voicing their opposition to the SMO. They also were being publicly supported by associates from the university

However, it was only this particular teacher that got fired by the university heads. He has lots of local support in Volgogagrad who are protesting his termination. And he (along with his supporters) are actively fighting his termination in court

Its probably the same with the other examples cited. These are unfortunate and individual cases of overzealous educational institute heads picking on teachers

However, there's no nationwide law that bans educators (or anyone in Russia) from voicing there views of the SMO

Earlier this year, WaPo had a story that 160 teachers in the US were fired for publicly voicing their political opinions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/06/16/teacher-resignations-firings-culture-wars/)

Unfortunate decisions made by those institutions. Not by Biden or the US government nor by Putin or the Russian government

[DNA]

Damn Bill, just read post 1552, are you passing out antidepressants after that post?
Maybe ask if anyone would like a last cigarette?

In the face of what you are describing what is the greatest single thing someone can do to try to make it out to the other side of all this?

[loungelizard]

Thanks for your thoughts about the bigger picture, Bill. I’ll make a coffee and have a careful read through them.

In the meantime, could you please explain how you see Putin as “the new leader of the free world” when the people of the country over which he rules are having their freedoms increasingly eroded.

I’ve already posted a list of the main freedoms that are being curtailed, but I was reading today about the assault on academic freedom, and the right to freedom of expression in Russia. No dissenting opinions are tolerated in schools or universities, and academic freedom is being obliterated. The Kremlin’s narrative is being pushed to schoolchildren - see this video about Kremlin propaganda in schools QeAlklcXPdY
Students are expelled should they dare speak out against the part line, and educators are being sacked for making anti-war remarks (sometimes informed on to the authorities by their students, which is reminiscent of the Hitler youth). Some educators are under “administrative arrest” and there are massive fines being imposed:
Roman Melnichenko, Associate Professor at Volgograd State University;
Elena Baybekova, a maths teacher from Astrakhan;
Alexander Kynev a lecturer at HSE;
Evgenia Paygina, a lecturer at Amur State University;
Irina Gen, an English teacher from Penza;
Marina Dubrova, at School No. 6 in the city of Korsakov;
Denis Skopin, an associate professor at St. Petersburg State University;
Kamran Manafly, a teacher from School Number 498 in Moscow’s Tagansky District

… and these are just the few that we know about. In addition, there are many others who have resigned their positions in protest at the restrictions on freedom of expression.

I genuinely don’t understand why people aren’t horrified by all this.

We all know that actions are what counts.
Putin’s actions against the people of his own country are the actions of a man who believes that freedom, human rights and civil liberties are of less value than the preservation of his absolute power.
Words are cheap.
Lies are easy.
Manipulation is key.
Control is everything.


However, there's no nationwide law that bans educators (or anyone in Russia) from voicing there views of the SMO

Oh, but there is.

Not one, but two new laws - one criminal (article 207.3) and the other administrative (article 20.33) - were passed on 4th March 2022.
These laws criminalise independent war reporting and protesting the war, with penalties of up to 15 years in prison.
Putin signed them, and brought them into effect on that day.

Anyone protesting, calling for an end to the war, publicising allegations of war crimes by Russian forces or calling for sanctions against Russia can be prosecuted.
And if they’re outside the country, there is the potential for extradition. Any information about the war in Ukraine that does not fit the narrative of the Russian Ministry of Defense
is to be considered fake news and is punishable with imprisonment.

These new laws have already been used to detain thousands of people who have simply and peacefully objected to the war.



It's not Putin firing those educators. Its those heads/boards of those particular institutions within those oblasts

These institutions are not independent of the government. They do not act autonomously.

Faculty and students are overt pressure to conform. There is increased surveillance by the Federal Security Service (the FSB, the successor of the KGB) and in many universities,
the FSB is now actively participating in the review of student admissions and academic personnel cases.

Because of their public or, in some cases, private criticism of the Kremlin, a clear message was sent that disloyal faculty might be fired or arrested. It happens all the time.



However, it was only this particular teacher that got fired by the university heads. He has lots of local support in Volgogagrad who are protesting
his termination. And he (along with his supporters) are actively fighting his termination in court

I wish him luck with that. There is no point in “fighting in court” in Russia. The judiciary is not independent. Everything to do with the courts is Kremlin-controlled. And since Roman
was arrested by agencies of the government and will be appearing in a court run by those same agencies, he doesn’t stand a chance of appeal.

Here is Roman talking about his situation:
https://www.rferl.org/a/fired-and-charged-russian-teachers-who-oppose-the-war/31869992.html

In his words: "The intellectual elite has the power to make the ruling elite lose the foundations of its power; that's why there is such a harsh reaction against universities".



Its probably the same with the other examples cited. These are unfortunate and individual cases of overzealous educational institute heads
picking on teachers

This is not simply a matter of a few petty-minded bureaucrats wielding their limited powers (as may perhaps be the case in the US for example). Educational institutions are
not independent of the government in Russia. The persecution is Kremlin-led.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/10/23/russia-authorities-targeting-free-speech-university



Unfortunate decisions made by those institutions. Not by Biden or the US government nor by Putin or the Russian government

I understand how you may think that, but unless you understand what actually happens in Putin’s Russia when it comes to the appointment of rectors and the increasing
government influence on the appointment of deans and faculty, you won’t be aware of the course Putin has pursued, increasing autocratic control and a cleansing of university
leadership. Dozens of universities now have new, Kremlin-approved rectors.

If you don’t follow the Kremlin narrative, you won’t be anywhere near the board of an educational establishment: the education watchdog, Rosobrnadzor, works in close
communication with the FSB.


Earlier this year, WaPo had a story that 160 teachers in the US were fired for publicly voicing their political opinions[/URL]

Other countries have their own problems. Whataboutism never gets anyone anywhere :blushing:.

[araucaria]

DNA expresses the need for antidepressants after reading post 1552; I shall leave that to Dr Ryan. However, my post 1557 ought to provide at least a little relief, because it suggests a way forward, something that is hopefully about to happen and leading to a new, easier situation, possibly the great dawn one hears of. I have no idea whether anything in post 1552 is actually true, but if not, my piece can be taken as it stands as a piece of literary criticism. It is a tale of two races becoming inextricably intertwined, one the involuntary host, the other an invasive species that may or may not want out but needs to go, having caused untold havoc. The relationship is inevitably parasitical in nature, which is not necessarily to say we are talking about a parasite. It may well be a young spacefaring race that became lost and/or stranded and the one remedial action – taking ET home – is only now becoming a viable possibility.


The other day, with exquisite timing, I opened a large volume of Rudyard Kipling stories at random, stumbling upon a tale called ‘The Mother Hive’ (https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2381).
This is a bee’s-eye view of an ‘invasion’ of wax-moths in a neglected hive. The very idea of motherhood is undermined as the mother hive comes to resemble a moth hive, until finally a swarm of survivor bees evacuates the hive as the beekeepers come to clear it out and disinfect it, with a view to making a fresh start. The moths are apologetic, it’s all their fault, but the bees also take the responsibility of a weak stock vulnerable to disease. No hard feelings, but regardless of who did what, the infrastructure has collapsed and the moths simply have to move on.


There are all kinds of variations on this theme. Even family visits are not made to last any length of time, and even interspecies relations can go badly wrong, e.g. when invading hordes of conquistadors or empire builders take over your homeland. Or when with a piece of territory known as Ukraine, it has become unclear whether it is a beehive or a moth hive. And so on. My reading of post 1552 is that the same is happening to Planet Earth as a whole. As I said, this may or may not be true; it certainly makes a good deal of sense, since these things happen at other levels. But of course, there may be no negligent beekeeper, and if there were, there is no particular reason for him to be quite as negligent as all that. In the taking ET home scenario, the increasing chaos can be halted and reversed just as soon as the space fleet sets off. That moment does not depend on some apocalyptic moment being reached, it depends entirely on the state of the technology, which can be hastened along as a matter of maximum emergency, or see people with the best of intentions trying to put the brakes on it. This being so, such acts of resistance or defiance, being broader expressions of the personal survival instinct, would actually be a mistake and making matters worse. Wouldn’t it be wiser if everyone were doing whatever it takes (it probably won’t be much) to make or let this thing happen asap?

[onawah]

It seems it may be more of a case of "invading hordes of conquistadors or empire builders take over your homeland", if Dr. Ardis is correct...

The conclusion as I understand it, is that the plandemic was created in order to genetically engineer the Human race via synthetic snake venom into a more predominantly Reptilian race. :croc:
(Or, at least, those that survive...)
Why does that ring so many bells?


Remember when Bryan Ardis reported about his research? He discovered that early on in 2020, the speculation that "covid" came from snakes was widely discussed then disappeared. He found that synthetic snake and sea life venoms were isolated from feces and other body fluids in those tested in Italy. The experts who had already focused on their idea of what caused "covid" ignored the data points. He was dismissed mostly because his speculation that the source of poisoning could be being in "water" was blown out of proportion IMO.

This is an update.
Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v1ns1st





There are all kinds of variations on this theme. Even family visits are not made to last any length of time, and even interspecies relations can go badly wrong, e.g. when invading hordes of conquistadors or empire builders take over your homeland. Or when with a piece of territory known as Ukraine, it has become unclear whether it is a beehive or a moth hive. And so on. My reading of post 1552 is that the same is happening to Planet Earth as a whole. As I said, this may or may not be true; it certainly makes a good deal of sense, since these things happen at other levels. But of course, there may be no negligent beekeeper, and if there were, there is no particular reason for him to be quite as negligent as all that. In the taking ET home scenario, the increasing chaos can be halted and reversed just as soon as the space fleet sets off. That moment does not depend on some apocalyptic moment being reached, it depends entirely on the state of the technology, which can be hastened along as a matter of maximum emergency, or see people with the best of intentions trying to put the brakes on it. This being so, such acts of resistance or defiance, being broader expressions of the personal survival instinct, would actually be a mistake and making matters worse. Wouldn’t it be wiser if everyone were doing whatever it takes (it probably won’t be much) to make or let this thing happen asap?

[Merkaba360]

In regards to Putin. I can't tell if he is opposing NATO or just theatre for us. If he is fighting NATO and is up against the dominant ruthless cabal who are experts at getting the people to revolt and overthrow their leaders, then I could see how him and some other leaders find it necessary to be a bit tyrannical toward their own people rebelling. Of course, this is dangerous reasoning and maybe just making excuses for Putin, but could be the case. Its just too impossible to get to the truth without extrasensory perception or inside info. lol


As far as breakaway civilizations. I think its pretty clear that the veil is thinning. So many people accelerating awareness, lots of interdimensional activity (Missing 411, etc.), and lots of ET accounts. Just as we spread across vast oceans centuries ago, we could be seeing the early stages of entering the galactic stage of evolution as we break the veil.

So "breakaway civilization" could be a bit misleading. It might be more like early secret preparations giving the inner circle a jump on us. What Mattias De Stefano says makes sense, that many races were seeded here for us to be able to accept and assimilate more information from the galaxy. That the progenitors learned its a mistake not to do so. The Caucasian elite could be working with our caucasian DNA ancestors and preparing integrating into their planets or setting up a "breakaway civilization" nearby them to be aligned in their galactic NATO/federation or whatever. They could have made some trades and given them some land on their planets for earth's resources, organic and inorganic.

Some might just want to leave to join a more advanced civilization and get away from the masses of ignorant annoying people of earth. Which I could see myself doing lol. Sure some are dependent on power over others, but doesnt mean they all are. There could be whole new levels of excitement in those civilizations that we can't conceive of. Going to one of those civilizations on holiday could have a big impact on some bored elite. I could see exciting scenarios for them joining either a highly advanced 'light' or 'dark' civilization.

If those ETs and earth elites can travel between star systems in virtually no time, then it could even be like an "Elysium" situation where they live on another planet but have agreements with those ET's to still control parts of earth and get whatever they need hear. They could come anytime to enjoy their servants or whatever weird stuff they like doing that they cant do in the new civilization. In a fully automated civilization they wouldn't need many of the humans they rely on here. And they might be able to buy better pleasures from beings in an advanced civilization than some sex slave or massage slave on earth. lol

[Merkaba360]

Bill,

1. As evolution has some unexpected surprises or twists and turns. I realize this is a difficult question, but have you had any thoughts, insights, suspicions on some surprises that may come from now to say 2050-2060ish (our lifetimes). If its something that will take the whole planet ( including you) by surprise , you could give some vague/general hunch on it being related to a certain aspect of our physical life or perceptual change. Or you could be very specific if it is something that will take the masses by surprise, but some truth seekers may foresee.


2. Who would you like to see go viral next, like the next Jordan Peterson spreading some psychological ideas more widely? Multiple choices allowed. People that would really do us some good. Or which subject would you like that viral guy to be spreading/amplifying?

[araucaria]

It seems it may be more of a case of "invading hordes of conquistadors or empire builders take over your homeland", if Dr. Ardis is correct...

Sorry, Onawah, my mistake: ‘conquistadors’ would be exactly wrong. If we are talking about ‘reptilians’ (and I suppose we are), then the man-eaters on that occasion were the Aztec gods greedy for human sacrifice. The conquistadors brought the message of Christian love, and however messily they conveyed it, it was enough to starve these gods to death. The Christian mass is nowadays often seen as a survival of human sacrifice, when it is the exact opposite: we humans feed off endless ‘divine’ energy even as we consume our ordinary food – bread and wine, or today we might say a beer and a sandwich. This is how the Mexicans faded into peaceful oblivion. Meanwhile those gods just disappeared, as though they had never existed outside of the human mind. But of course they survived elsewhere.


One of the tendencies of alternative research is to see ancient peoples as being as sophisticated as we are. Maybe on the contrary we should see ourselves as being in many ways as primitive as they were. This reptilian energy which is still so much with us, whether it be in those accused of being possessed or those who are seeing it, is probably just a throwback, a very ancient negative emotion that we have dressed up in space age technology. Here is an idea of how it might work, and of a simple cure, from The Emotion Code by Dr. Bradley Nelson, explaining ‘How to Release Your Trapped Emotions for Abundant Health, Love and Happiness’. In it he describes what he calls a ‘heart-wall’, which appears to have an extremely dense physical presence, and builds up as a defence mechanism needing release because it equates (my summary) to a loss of empathy and ultimately socio/psychopathic tendencies. This wall can be anything from paper-thin to many miles thick and possibly made in the toughest material imaginable, such as the metal hull of some futuristic spaceship seen in a movie. His own wife’s heart-wall was fairly average, being a wooden floor six feet deep [correction: five miles thick!]. Dr. Nelson’s invariably transformative treatment involves simple yes or no Q&A sessions followed by passing a magnet along the ‘governing meridian’ (down the spine) to eliminate individual negative emotions. It sounds too good to be true I know: a modern casting out of devils.

As described (I have no first-hand experience of this), this method will provide individual treatment for what has developed into something of an epidemic among powerful people. We know that psychopaths are drawn to each other and attracted to power. They would seem to be at the stage where they worship their heart-wall beyond any understanding or desire to have it removed. Given the pandemic proportions this has reached, we need an army of latter-day conquistadors of some kind to deal with this massive illusion.


Since this is a questions-to-Bill Ryan thread, my question to Bill would be: might this be an answer to the ‘maybe a fairy-tale’ remark you made somewhere?

[Johnnycomelately]

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Some might just want to leave to join a more advanced civilization and get away from the masses of ignorant annoying people of earth. Which I could see myself doing lol. Sure some are dependent on power over others, but doesnt mean they all are. There could be whole new levels of excitement in those civilizations that we can't conceive of. Going to one of those civilizations on holiday could have a big impact on some bored elite. I could see exciting scenarios for them joining either a highly advanced 'light' or 'dark' civilization.

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I just found a vid that tells me “yes”, to your question. It describes why people might choose a selfish option, depending on the circumstances.

~15:00 =start talk abt circumstances of historical poverty in USA.

23:25+ = talk abt choice for not-so-legal, gray-area, on-the-line jobs. Reasoning for choice for real crime is implied.

These choices that are based on perceived self-situation, seem to me to be almost instinctual, and not merely the result/provenance of true poverty.

Hope I am not shaking anybody’s tree here, by appearing to speak out of turn on Bill’s personal thread.

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[araucaria]

I have been reflecting further (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1526653&viewfull=1#post1526653) on how a simple treatment of individuals with a ‘heart-wall’ might be scaled up to the global population. But before coming to that, I want to insist on the way these very individuals were changed from being very unhappy and unpleasant into just the opposite. In other words, the badness they displayed was independent of the persons themselves, who were restored to their role as effective members of human society. This is in stark contrast to any kind of ‘breakaway’ approach, whereby a group of objectionable individuals needs to be cast out as something other than (less than?) human. In other words, salvation being demonstrably a possible solution, it has to be desirable and preferable. On the other hand, any presentation of a problem in terms of a conflict between races is open to criticism as expressing racism in some shape or form. Of course, this is not the vicious outpouring of negative emotions one sees in the streets, but nevertheless there is a negative aspect attached even to the conceptual phase with which I for one would not want to be associated.


Having stated that clearly, let me come back to Dr. Nelson’s method of exorcising negative emotions. Since the treatment involves the use of a magnet, scaling that up might logically involve some kind of ‘space weather’ event such as a magnetic storm or magnetic reversal. In such a circumstance, there would be nowhere to hide, and anyone addicted to negative emotions who saw it coming might start panicking at the thought. Any signs of that happening in the world today? Plenty, I fancy.


But before we get to that stage, the protocol involves first using kinesiology to identify a given trapped emotion to be released, and obtaining permission for that release to happen. Nelson offers three indications as to how this might be scaled up. One is a proxy arrangement, whereby someone can stand in for the subject and have the work done on that person through them. A more interesting case is quoted where the good done to one volunteer redounds willy-nilly, but positively, upon their whole family. This might be a way of helping people who do not see themselves as needing help – a major factor in what is wrong with the world. And lastly, there is the case of a former NDEr who finally realizes that Nelson’s work is what she has been seeking to do, recalling how her NDE experience told her that mere thousands doing so would be enough to make a difference.


If so, that is very good news, but I need to make a further point. Identifying a trapped emotion is not the same as disclosure or the discoveries of alternative researchers. In fact the protocol has more to do with the secrecy of confession or medical privacy. Disclosure reveals crimes committed by troubled souls; it passes judgment and assimilates evil deeds with evil perpetrators. This protocol, on the other hand, makes a clear distinction between the two. What needs to be brought to consciousness is the emotion that was triggered by some experience and which on being trapped altered the personality and subsequent behaviour. Such an emotion is always, to some extent at least, innocent and/or forgivable, being produced by a stimulus that was simply too powerful to handle in the normal way, e.g. often in childhood. Hence for this type of entirely painless corrective measure to play out in the wide world, we need to reach this stage of understanding how ‘bad’ people are simply malfunctioning and learn to empathize with literally everyone, Soros, Fauci, Gates, name your worst, included.


Ultimately, the ‘take ET home’ scenario is the last word in the nuts-and-bolts technological fix, and might be seen as at best brushing the issue under a very big carpet. It strikes me it shouldn’t hold up for a minute against the spiritual powers described by many, notably on this forum. The problem with the spiritual fix, however, being that it all too easily becomes ungrounded. Dr. Nelson’s solution gets to the core of the mind-body issue since the energy of the mind is attainable through the energy of the body right here and now, with no need to invoke cosmic shenanigans. Having said that, such cosmic shenanigans might very well be going on as well, indicating some bigger problem than one solely affecting earth-based humans. If so, putting our own house in order would appear to be a wise first step towards dealing with that too.

[onawah]

I think that in the cases of such as Soros, Gates, the Rothchilds, etc. it would be necessary to go back and work on many past lives as well. Such psychopathic behavior doesn't manifest in just one lifetime.
The question remains: would they submit willingly to such a treatment?
It seems doubtful they would, so the other question is: would it be administered against their will, and if so, would it really be effective in the same way?


If so, that is very good news, but I need to make a further point. Identifying a trapped emotion is not the same as disclosure or the discoveries of alternative researchers. In fact the protocol has more to do with the secrecy of confession or medical privacy. Disclosure reveals crimes committed by troubled souls; it passes judgment and assimilates evil deeds with evil perpetrators. This protocol, on the other hand, makes a clear distinction between the two. What needs to be brought to consciousness is the emotion that was triggered by some experience and which on being trapped altered the personality and subsequent behaviour. Such an emotion is always, to some extent at least, innocent and/or forgivable, being produced by a stimulus that was simply too powerful to handle in the normal way, e.g. often in childhood. Hence for this type of entirely painless corrective measure to play out in the wide world, we need to reach this stage of understanding how ‘bad’ people are simply malfunctioning and learn to empathize with literally everyone, Soros, Fauci, Gates, name your worst, included.



Having stated that clearly, let me come back to Dr. Nelson’s method of exorcising negative emotions. Since the treatment involves the use of a magnet, scaling that up might logically involve some kind of ‘space weather’ event such as a magnetic storm or magnetic reversal. In such a circumstance, there would be nowhere to hide, and anyone addicted to negative emotions who saw it coming might start panicking at the thought. Any signs of that happening in the world today? Plenty, I fancy.:sad:

[araucaria]

the other question is: would it be administered against their will, and if so, would it really be effective in the same way?

Well, my post clearly suggests that it would be against their will. But for many except the most hardened cases, it would be rather ‘without their prior consent’, meaning, to quote an earlier phrase, it would be like stopping turkeys voting for Christmas by voting forwhere their real interests lie. Let’s face it: a planet in total chaos cannot be in anyone’s interest, especially not in the planet’s! If you entertain the idea that a planet is a sentient being in its own right, then you will naturally concur that a healthy planetary will would override that of a few cells. In more physical terms, you might see this as the Earth’s immune system kicking in against outside infection (from outer space).


In that case, the answer to your question on efficacity is a resounding yes. It used to be called divine intervention; what you have is in fact the entire planet doing its kinesiology testing and running a magnet down its spine. No proxies or other vicarious interventions required: just mother Earth doing her own thing; we don’t even need to understand what is going on.

[onawah]

Which is why it's advisable, imho, to "Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Magnetic Pole Reversal".
...Although, (as I understand it) according to Rudolf Steiner (and the Book of Revelations--depending on your interpretation) there will be a reemergence of the evil (what the Theosophists term "Ahriman") in another 1,000 years from now (generally).
(So possibly the "fix" would only be temporary.)
After the evil once again being defeated, only then will the Golden Age take full hold.
But it's not just planet Earth that undergoes those periodic huge shifts; it's this whole region of space.


Having stated that clearly, let me come back to Dr. Nelson’s method of exorcising negative emotions. Since the treatment involves the use of a magnet, scaling that up might logically involve some kind of ‘space weather’ event such as a magnetic storm or magnetic reversal. In such a circumstance, there would be nowhere to hide, and anyone addicted to negative emotions who saw it coming might start panicking at the thought. Any signs of that happening in the world today? Plenty, I fancy.

[pabranno]

Bill, I have a question which I’ve wondered a long time.

How do you ‘keep the faith’, and how do you keep going?
Things just keep spiraling, escalating and fraying.
I have to set it all down frequently, because it’s so relentlessly overwhelming.
Yet you keep studying, listening, evaluating without respite.

How do you keep your fortitude and hope, and heart/head endurance?

I truly ask.

Respectfully,

[onawah]

A case in point, specifically, what would have happened if there were currently spacefarers on their way to Mars: 4Wo0VeTY1g4
At the risk of sounding tiresome, something which is seldom taken into account in these speculations about colonizing other planets is the 12,000 year solar cycle, which affects not only planet Earth, but this entire region of space.
There are unprecedented (at least unprecedented in the last 12,000 years ) and unpredictable changes happening in our solar system which may well make the other planets more uninhabitable than was previously supposed.
And more difficult to calculate what exactly would be required to settle there.

[araucaria]

Which is why it's advisable, imho, to "Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Magnetic Pole Reversal".

It is good to see you affirm this positive attitude, Onawah, something that is perhaps not always clear from your diligent repostings in this field. Why this is important is because we are obviously as individuals a part of this magnetic field and so very much a part of what is happening: not riding a wave, we are that wave. I would just add that deliberately trapping others’ emotions perfectly describes the method by all accounts employed by elites to coerce people to join their ranks. Why they would do this is suggested in Dr Nelson (https://drbradleynelson.com/)’s explanation of his surrogate testing technique. This is based on the established fact that if a person touches someone being (mildly) electrocuted on an electric cattle fence, then the shock moves away from the first person to the second, and on to a third etc. etc. In other words, you can effectively relieve pain by passing it on to someone else. It works, but there is this much better way. Surrogacy is used when a subject is unable to cooperate: a small child, a sick person or even an animal. The above suggests that when the whole world is suffering vicarious pain, then anyone and everyone can relieve it by acting in such a way that ‘the buck stops here’, even without the need for any definite ritual. A good start to releasing such emotions in large quantities with no victims might be to introduce this treatment as part of any rehabilitation programme in our prisons.

[onawah]

Thanks for understanding my perspective, Araucaria. :nod:
Though it may be difficult to explain or understand how one could actually come to welcome such a drastic solution to our worldly predicament.
My father nicknamed me "Worrywart" when I was a child, because I wasn't the trusting sort who naively assumed that "everything was going to be all right".
(Not that I didn't have FAITH--I have plenty of that!)
It's just that, being well aware even at an early age of how royally people can screw things up, I've long been on the lookout for solutions and for ways to prevent problems from arising.

Becoming a New Ager seemed to quell the anxiety for a while, but it was only a superficial remedy, and lasted only so long as I was able to consider the theories presented as plausible.
By the time the onslaught of information about AI, transhumanism, the NWO, WEF, etc. came about, that remedy had long since proven unworkable.
(Though I still consider myself a "Lightworker" and am, hopefully, still assisting energetically in the way that Lightworkers do.)

Though despair was my initial response to the news about the Magnetic Pole Reversal; and that came about only after long consideration of the data, to the point where I was convinced.
Eventually faith and reason prevailed and I came to accept the inevitable with equanimity, even a sense of relief, because finally there was a real solution, however drastic, to the nightmarish daily news.
Moreover, the solution is divinely ordained, if we consider that Nature's ways are the Creator's ways, and I do...
Not a permanent solution if Rudolf Steiner was correct, but a workable one for the next thousand years, at least.

I'm thankful that at my age I don't have to be facing the challenges that Preppers do, but I hope that at least getting the word out will assist others in beginning to take those steps if it seems likely they will survive, and will be committed to helping ensure a promising new era for humanity on planet Earth. :star:



Which is why it's advisable, imho, to "Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Magnetic Pole Reversal".

It is good to see you affirm this positive attitude, Onawah, something that is perhaps not always clear from your diligent repostings in this field. Why this is important is because we are obviously as individuals a part of this magnetic field and so very much a part of what is happening: not riding a wave, we are that wave. I would just add that deliberately trapping others’ emotions perfectly describes the method by all accounts employed by elites to coerce people to join their ranks. Why they would do this is suggested in Dr Nelson (https://drbradleynelson.com/)’s explanation of his surrogate testing technique. This is based on the established fact that if a person touches someone being (mildly) electrocuted on an electric cattle fence, then the shock moves away from the first person to the second, and on to a third etc. etc. In other words, you can effectively relieve pain by passing it on to someone else. It works, but there is this much better way. Surrogacy is used when a subject is unable to cooperate: a small child, a sick person or even an animal. The above suggests that when the whole world is suffering vicarious pain, then anyone and everyone can relieve it by acting in such a way that ‘the buck stops here’, even without the need for any definite ritual. A good start to releasing such emotions in large quantities with no victims might be to introduce this treatment as part of any rehabilitation programme in our prisons.

[onawah]

Another case in point of big planetary changes described, starting at one hour 21 minutes in to Dark Journalist's latest episode:
pFr1h4IDzsc

A case in point, specifically, what would have happened if there were currently spacefarers on their way to Mars: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4Wo0VeTY1g4 At the risk of sounding tiresome, something which is seldom taken into account in these speculations about colonizing other planets is the 12,000 year solar cycle, which affects not only planet Earth, but this entire region of space.
There are unprecedented (at least unprecedented in the last 12,000 years ) and unpredictable changes happening in our solar system which may well make the other planets more uninhabitable than was previously supposed.
And more difficult to calculate what exactly would be required to settle there.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, I have a question which I’ve wondered a long time.

How do you ‘keep the faith’, and how do you keep going?
Things just keep spiraling, escalating and fraying.
I have to set it all down frequently, because it’s so relentlessly overwhelming.
Yet you keep studying, listening, evaluating without respite.

How do you keep your fortitude and hope, and heart/head endurance?

I truly ask.

Respectfully,Well, I've been thinking about this for a few days. It's a great question. :heart:

It's true, I do keep quite an even keel — most of the time (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111548-Mara-s-travails&p=1527428&viewfull=1#post1527428). :) :flower: I could probably write quite a lot about this (more things come to mind the longer I think about it!), but I'll try to be as concise as possible.

Knowing quite a bit about my past lives definitely is a very major factor. It puts this one life, and everything in it, into a far greater context.

Here's an analogy. We can kind of imagine one lifetime as a little like a "day" in a much more extended train of events and experiences. (The problem, of course, is the amnesia.)

So if we're experiencing anxiety, or problems, o challenges, in this lifetime of ours right now in 2022, imagine that as just one day in a far longer "life". But we've just woken up this morning, starting that "day" with no memory of the thousands of other "days" we've lived through.

So.... this is just one "day".

If this day feels like a tough one, or has featured anxieties and disappointments, there's always tomorrow.

And the day after that. :)

Quite a lot of stuff follows from this. Here are some examples:

If we've lost a loved one, or may do so, then it's not game over with nothing to consider except memories, and/or maybe regrets or sorrows. There's next time to look forward to.

You'll all understand, of course, that private messages can't and shouldn't be shared. But a little while back I heard from someone close to all of us in our community that their own loved one, who may leave them soon, had told them: I'll find you.

And they truly will. :heart: Souls who are friends, allies, lovers or partners of any kind always find one another again. (And again, and again!) It's one of the perennial ongoing miracles of our co-created universe.

So there are actually never any losses. Just new chapters started, new adventures, new things to look forward to.

The same applies with any setbacks, disappointments, or mistakes we've made. We can always start again. Or if a goal is incomplete or unfinished, then we can simply continue where we left off.

And if this mortal human body of ours sometimes doesn't quite work as well as it used to when we were 20, well, we can incarnate into a new one. Just like getting a new car. :)

So, all of this helps to keep things in perspective. I truly, truly understand that this may feel very conceptual, and maybe not even convincing, to some who are reading this. But clear memories of past lives really do help a very great deal.

And what really helps more than anything else is having discovered those oneself, because that's what creates the personal certainty. Being told something by someone else, no matter how well-intended (or even if it's fully accurate!), never gifts the same certainty. It's just like one more thing that someone else has said.

To 'own' it and be certain about it — with all the reassurance and perspective that that can often provide — one has to recall these things on one's own. One can be helped and supported by another, such as a skilled, specialized therapist — but one still has to do much of the work oneself. The great thing is that that work is always rewarded.

:grouphug:

[Mashika]

Here's an analogy. We can kind of imagine one lifetime as a little like a "day" in a much more extended train of events and experiences. (The problem, of course, is the amnesia.)

So if we're experiencing anxiety, or problems, o challenges, in this lifetime of ours right now in 2022, imagine that as just one day in a far longer "life". But we've just woken up this morning, starting that "day" with no memory of the thousands of other "days" we've lived through.

So.... this is just one "day".

If this day feels like a tough one, or has featured anxieties and disappointments, there's always tomorrow.

And the day after that.

Quite a lot of stuff follows from this. Here are some examples:

If we've lost a loved one, or may do so, then it's not game over with nothing to consider except memories, and/or maybe regrets or sorrows. There's next time to look forward to.

You'll all understand, of course, that private messages can't and shouldn't be shared. But a little while back I heard from someone close to all of us in our community that their own loved one, who may leave them soon, had told them: I'll find you.

And they truly will. Souls who are friends, allies, lovers or partners of any kind always find one another again. (And again, and again!) It's one of the perennial ongoing miracles of our co-created universe.


For me that's like the flow of music, liquid sounds that permeate across lives as ripples through the water on the river, and some times, you actually feel or see the ripple coming through the past and you just feel it and understand where it came from, and that it was kind of a "message from myself to next version of me in the future"

"Just one day"

It reminds me of this song "A day is just one day" by Jeanette Anne Dimech, it has some kind of melancholy embedded into it, and a sad always-there longing for something that she can't reach anymore, because once we rebuild ourselves, that moment in time is gone forever, but if you remember it, then you can't just part with it forever, it is haunting

"A day is a day and i don't want to return home so soon, so soon as i have other days"
pPubqPqMPDY

[pabranno]

Bill what a powerful response. Thinking on it, I realize how much I need to work on changing my perspective. Great word. I realize I’m looking at everything swirling around this world from the perspective of a drowning woman, clinging to a stick to stay afloat. I realize that’s an error in perspective.

I had expected you to respond with something like’ I go for a hike’ or ‘I meditate or pray’. Expecting that from you also illustrates how erroneous my perspective is😉

You took it to a whole different level with your response, a level that is enduring and resonates with a deep calm peace that permeates, rather than reacts.

I have a lot of adjusting to do.
I sure thank you for sharing this.
I needed to hear it.

❤️

[onawah]

Bill, I think you may want to make time for this discussion between Greg Reese and Ben Davidson (that starts at 42 minutes into the podcast):
https://gregreese.substack.com/p/a-conversation-with-ben-davidson#details

I posted it here:


Greg Reese has a phone conversation with Ben Davidson and put it in a podcast starting at 42 minutes in, along with his comments in the introduction about the conversation, after the fact: https://gregreese.substack.com/p/a-conversation-with-ben-davidson#details

And if you would, please comment on the discussion.
Thanks. :flower:

update: Something which Ben talked about recently, which I think is worth specific mention, has to do with flooding that the pole reversal causes.
It's so extensive and abrupt that coastlines immediately become extinction zones, and the flooding can cover whole continents, saving for high mountain ranges.
But the water rises slowly inland, so it's possible to survive in boats or rafts, at least until the waters recede.
So I expect we will be seeing the ultra-rich building more and more yachts, and it will be interesting to see how they are powered, though that info will probably not be voluntarily forthcoming.
My guess is that some of them will have sophisticated devices which have not been shared publicely, the kind that Wade Frazier focuses on...

[Bluegreen]

Hi Bill,

You had reported Michael Salla saying he was 'committed' to Corey Goode ... somehow. By definition, this word 'committed' implies a second party. Who or what was this?

I don't want to ask questions you would prefer not to answer, and if that's the case, that's OK.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

You had reported Michael Salla saying he was 'committed' to Corey Goode ... somehow. By definition, this word 'committed' implies a second party. Who or what was this?

I don't want to ask questions you would prefer not to answer, and if that's the case, that's OK.Ah, that's an interesting perspective. I had always assumed a simpler human-nature situation, that Salla had taken up a public position that he felt for reasons of pride, ego, or some sense of professional duty, he couldn't reverse.

The whole thing is a kind of modern Aesop's Fable, of course. (And we see this everywhere in today's geopolitics!) Once a public figure adopts a strongly stated stance, no matter what the negative outcomes that grow ever more apparent, human ego makes it next to impossible to say:
"I have new information now, and I understand everything much better. I therefore apologize to everyone whose lives were affected by my earlier decision, and it's clear that I made a profound mistake."

[graciousb]

And to do so makes one so much more trustworthy and relatable.

[Pam]

Hi Bill,

You had reported Michael Salla saying he was 'committed' to Corey Goode ... somehow. By definition, this word 'committed' implies a second party. Who or what was this?

I don't want to ask questions you would prefer not to answer, and if that's the case, that's OK.Ah, that's an interesting perspective. I had always assumed a simpler human-nature situation, that Salla had taken up a public position that he felt for reasons of pride, ego, or some sense of professional duty, he couldn't reverse.

The whole thing is a kind of modern Aesop's Fable, of course. (And we see this everywhere in today's geopolitics!) Once a public figure adopts a strongly stated stance, no matter what the negative outcomes that grow ever more apparent, human ego makes it next to impossible to say:
"I have new information now, and I understand everything much better. I therefore apologize to everyone whose lives were affected by my earlier decision, and it's clear that I made a profound mistake."


Interesting you should mention that, Bill. I was just thinking about my admiration for those that ARE willing to reconsider once they receive new information or understanding. I am filled with admiration for those that adapt when they find new info or gain a greater understanding. Someone that is unwilling/unable to reconsider new or modified possibilities is as useless as someone like Jerry Springer (a one time tawdry reality show host). It's just the entertainment, folks. I am fine with entertainment and the masses can have it as gross as they like I guess, but facts and truth are solid.

I certainly have my radar up for any in the so called "truth Community". Many of which are little more than Jerry Springer shows with a truther angle. In the end we have to hone our intuitive skills , our logic, our courage like our lives depend on it , because it really does.


Even the concept of "this community or that community"....That's a bunch of programming as well. Exploiting the fact that we are all tribal in nature. We want to belong. How ripe are the pickings right at this very moment for govvie agencies and the likes of people like Corey Goode to exploit. No concrete facts needed. To be honest, very little logic or great storytelling is no longer needed at least in the US. There seems to be a pervasive "know it all" mentality that just destroys the gifts, we humans have been given. We are getting dumber, duller, filled by a dull, unthinking amorality that looks nothing like what I thought it would. Bill, I so understand your disdain for current western culture , if we can dare call it that. So there are my 2 cents worth.

[Tlevis]

What happened with "Charles" from your "Rulers of the world" Interview? I'm obsessed with that interview.
Did you stay in touch with him?
Did he die in the end?
When did you last speak?
What are your thoughts on that interview and all the information, looking back? I feel it was spot on. Great job btw.
If you could share anymore information on him and that interview i would be very grateful. I'm deeply fascinated about the big picture and the 33 Bloodline Elites at that level.
Thank you

[Bill Ryan]

What happened with "Charles" from your "Rulers of the world" Interview? I'm obsessed with that interview.
Did you stay in touch with him?
Did he die in the end?
When did you last speak?
What are your thoughts on that interview and all the information, looking back? I feel it was spot on. Great job btw.
If you could share anymore information on him and that interview i would be very grateful. I'm deeply fascinated about the big picture and the 33 Bloodline Elites at that level.
Thank youThanks for the questions, and a very warm welcome to the forum!


What happened with "Charles" from your "Rulers of the world" Interview? Did you stay in touch with him?

I've not heard anything from him for many years now, and I have no further information at all. We last had audio contact back in 2011, and I had a few emails from him up until c.2014. I sent a long email to him in c.2017, but there was no reply.



What are your thoughts on that interview and all the information, looking back? I feel it was spot on. Great job btw.

I think there was a very great deal of truth in everything he disclosed. He never once mentioned plans for a pandemic (or the far, far more lethal vaxx), but as you may recall he did state that the strategy for reducing global population was to be via widespread famine. As best I can see from everything we're in the middle of right now, that scenario is not at all unlikely.
Do see these threads for more details:




Food shortages are unavoidable now (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111686-Food-shortages-are-unavoidable-now.&highlight=shortages)
Manufactured Food Shortages (Eradication of Our Food Supply) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115525-Manufactured-Food-Shortages--Eradication-of-Our-Food-Supply-&highlight=shortages)
Global Shortages of Everything (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116410-Global-Shortages-of-Everything&highlight=shortages)

[ZenBaller]

Hello Bill! You have probably answered that before but it's worth a try.

Do you ever think of doing more interviews? You were a pioneer in the field and now that there's so much disinfo out there, we desperately need interviewers with spiritual integrity and knowledge like you. Thank you.

[Bill Ryan]

Hello Bill! You have probably answered that before but it's worth a try.

Do you ever think of doing more interviews? You were a pioneer in the field and now that there's so much disinfo out there, we desperately need interviewers with spiritual integrity and knowledge like you. Thank you.Thanks! And yes, it's a question I get asked quite often. :flower:

Here's what I posted (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1383219&viewfull=1#post1383219) in October 2020, and my answer really hasn't changed much:

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I'm pretty disgusted with the dog-eat-dog mêlée that is now the so-called 'alternative media'. I see more and more parallels with the mainstream, as greed, cheap entertainment, monetization, paywalls, ego, manipulation, toxicity, drama, sleaze, competition and fakery all slowly grow and grow and grow. It's not everywhere, but there's a lot of it now.

I've posted several times that there's a kind of Stockholm Syndrome at play here, that I've not heard anyone else ever comment on. By that, I refer to the known phenomenon in which a kidnapped person, held prisoner by an authoritarian controlling group, sometimes flips to adopt the very same values as their powerful captors.

The alt media has adopted the values of the mainstream, in just the same way. Much of the alt media is a cheap copy of CNN or Fox, complete with commercials. The content is different, but the copied style is very often just the same.

It makes the days of Project Camelot, founded 14 years ago, seem like a naive simple playground in comparison. :) So to get to the question, I'm really not very motivated to go to the trouble to dive back into the alternative swamp.

In the last several years I feel I've grown quite a lot, in the sense that it's no longer important for me in any ego-sense to be working hard to yell at thousands of people through some virtual bullhorn. I know what I know, I understand what I understand, my values are my values, and I'm personally very comfortable and rock solid with all that.

A few people may listen to what I have to share, which I appreciate. I'm not trying to be famous, to get rich, to prove anything, or to compete. I do my own internal work, and I know that I make a difference, and have definitely done so.

I know exactly what I've done in my life, which is really quite a lot. I'm 100% definitely nowhere near the end of this incarnation! But I know I've already way more than lived the life of most other people, whatever field they're in, and that generates its own peace and satisfaction.
:flower::happy dog::flower:

[grapevine]

Hearing you loud and clear Bill. It's unsurprising that you feel jaded, given the setbacks suffered at the hands of some whistle blowhards, which must've been a severe blow at times. But it hasn't detracted one iota from the value of such a large and outstanding body of work, still so relevant, and absolutely unique.

But would you perhaps consider interviewing already established whistleblowers at some time in the future?

Two that spring immediately to my mind are
(1) Gary McKinnon. If I remember correctly he either said, or intimated, that he held something back as insurance. I'd like to know whether the latest UFO information we have confirms anything he hasn't yet divulged.
(2) Bob Lazar. Now, Bob is probably as sick of being asked about his Area 51 experiences as much as you are at the prospect of more interviews, Bill, but UFO experiences apart, I'd love to know more about his brilliant engineering skill set and whether he might have an answer to harnessing cheap renewable energy. I'd also like to know why he's not working for Elon Musk.

I know I said two, but a third would be Tom Montalk.

Would you also agree that the gap between the alternative and mainstream communities is moving inexorably closer together ?

[Bill Ryan]

Hearing you loud and clear Bill. It's unsurprising that you feel jaded, given the setbacks suffered at the hands of some whistle blowhards, which must've been a severe blow at times. But it hasn't detracted one iota from the value of such a large and outstanding body of work, still so relevant, and absolutely unique.

But would you perhaps consider interviewing already established whistleblowers at some time in the future?

Two that spring immediately to my mind are
(1) Gary McKinnon. If I remember correctly he either said, or intimated, that he held something back as insurance. I'd like to know whether the latest UFO information we have confirms anything he hasn't yet divulged.
(2) Bob Lazar. Now, Bob is probably as sick of being asked about his Area 51 experiences as much as you are at the prospect of more interviews, Bill, but UFO experiences apart, I'd love to know more about his brilliant engineering skill set and whether he might have an answer to harnessing cheap renewable energy. I'd also like to know why he's not working for Elon Musk.

I know I said two, but a third would be Tom Montalk.

Would you also agree that the gap between the alternative and mainstream communities is moving inexorably closer together ?


Gary McKinnon

That's interesting about Gary "holding something back as insurance". I'd never heard of that... do you have a reference?
He's been interviewed numerous times now, and (ss best I know, though I might be wrong!) he really has nothing else to say, with everything he did and saw (which was important, but really not a very great deal of stuff) already being out there. What he felt he uncovered ("ship-to-ship transfers", and "non-terrestrial officers") could really be stated in just a few paragraphs.

Incidentally, it wasn't Gary who ever mentioned the codename Solar Warden, though many think it was. Gary never knew a thing about that. That was all Camelot witness Henry Deacon's confirmation of some details in a very interesting anonymous post on a UFO-focused forum back in 2006. The whole story, and a very fascinating one too which almost no-one knows about, is all recorded on Avalon in my post #2 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&p=72378&viewfull=1#post72378) (with more details following after that) on the Avalon thread simply called Solar Warden. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden)



Bob Lazar

In Camelot days, we repeatedly tried to get hold of him, but he was totally evasive. He remained that way for nearly 30 years until Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp each successfully persuaded him to go on record one more time. Part of his whole credibility is that he's never courted publicity of any kind.

I'm completely certain everything he reported was true, but I do rather suspect there may be one or two things he encountered which he's never revealed or fully revealed, maybe just because he himself was unsure of what he saw, read, heard or witnessed.



Tom Montalk

I'm really not in a position to comment as (embarrassingly!) I really don't know enough about him.



Would you also agree that the gap between the alternative and mainstream communities is moving inexorably closer together?

Ha, what an interesting question.
In content, No. In style, Yes. (And that's NOT a good thing.)

[grapevine]

• Gary McKinnon

That's interesting about Gary "holding something back as insurance". I'd never heard of that... do you have a reference?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3mmc4nXQ7E&ab_channel=Devin

Richard Dolan MAY be able to shed some light on this as another video with GMcK and energy is mentioned by RD as being on his website. Unfortunately I am no longer a member at Richard Dolan so cannot access his videos, but I'm sure he mentioned "insurance" somewhere. Richard Dolan asked him why he was downloading the photograph when he couldve just screenshot it (I would have, wouldn't you?) and the answer he gave was unsatisfactory I thought, especially for an IT buff. The above YT video was reposted by Devlin 2 months ago, although the original interview was conducted way before then. Incidentally the Solar Warden issue is addressed at 35:06 and Project Camelot is mentioned. Unrelated to Solar Warden Gary also mentions a weird incident at around 52:14 which is quite interesting.




Bob Lazar

In Camelot days, we repeatedly tried to get hold of him, but he was totally evasive. He remained that way for nearly 30 years until Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp each successfully persuaded him to go on record one more time. Part of his whole credibility is that he's never courted publicity of any kind.

I'm completely certain everything he reported was true, but I do rather suspect there may be one or two things he encountered which he's never revealed or fully revealed, maybe just because he himself was unsure of what he saw, read, heard or witnessed.


I think he had a complete breakdown at some point Bill. I can't imagine the pressure he mustve been put under, and even now the name Bob Lazar is synonymous with that one thing when really he was such a talented and brilliant guy




Tom Montalk
I'm really not in a position to comment as (embarrassingly!) I really don't know enough about him.


I'm surprised about that as Tom Montalk is such an interesting individual. From memory he was linked with Laura Knight-Jacczyk but they had a falling out and separated ways. His YT channel is well worth a look, as is his impressive website

https://www.youtube.com/@TomMontalk

https://montalk.net




Would you also agree that the gap between the alternative and mainstream communities is moving inexorably closer together?

Ha, what an interesting question.
In content, No. In style, Yes. (And that's NOT a good thing.)



Could you please expand on that Bill? I thought it was just a case of the public joining the dots - just like it was for me.

[Truthlust]

Bill, did you ever ask Charles about other past instances of people who have claimed to be members of a secret ruling elite family and if they were legit? The "Revelations of an Elite Family Insider" from 2005 or "The Hidden Hand" from 2008, for example.

[Patient]

Hi Bill, I was wondering how things have been since the events around losing your wallet and then finding it under your hat?

More to the point; has anything else occurred in your home that might be related or similar?

Has it changed your thoughts and views on portions of paranormal/ufo experiences reported by others?

Has it made your open mind more open? ;)

[Bluegreen]

Hi Bill,

As a Brit, what do you think about punk rock?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

As a Brit, what do you think about punk rock?Ha. Well, it's not music.

It's a means of expression, of course. But so are many other things, like cheap graffiti and various forms of abuse. It's one of many small and not-so-small indicators that what we regard as modern civilization is gradually but irreversibly degenerating.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill, I was wondering how things have been since the events around losing your wallet and then finding it under your hat?

More to the point; has anything else occurred in your home that might be related or similar?

Has it changed your thoughts and views on portions of paranormal/ufo experiences reported by others?

Has it made your open mind more open? ;)Thanks, and that's a very acutely aware question. Yes, one or two other things have occurred which I've not mentioned on the forum at all and which right now I'm only discussing with a few close friends. I've been carefully considering a way to share them. (Do please forgive me for the seemingly evasive answer, but there are some good reasons. :flower: )

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, did you ever ask Charles about other past instances of people who have claimed to be members of a secret ruling elite family and if they were legit? The "Revelations of an Elite Family Insider" from 2005 or "The Hidden Hand" from 2008, for example.As best I genuinely recall — though I can't be totally 100% certain as I write this with checking back on archived notes — he said that both of those accounts were largely fictional.

[Bill Ryan]

Would you also agree that the gap between the alternative and mainstream communities is moving inexorably closer together?

Ha, what an interesting question.
In content, No. In style, Yes. (And that's NOT a good thing.)




Could you please expand on that Bill? I thought it was just a case of the public joining the dots - just like it was for me.(Sorry I missed this question! :flower: )

It feels a little hard for me to answer, as — if I may say! — I do feel it's rather obvious. Yes, many people can join the dots now, and have increasingly been doing so as you very rightly say. There's definitely an ongoing snowball effect. But it's not because of the controlled, scripted and manipulative mainstream media narrative, it's despite it.

[Matthew]

Hi Bill,

As a Brit, what do you think about punk rock?Ha. Well, it's not music.

It's a means of expression, of course. But so are many other things, like cheap graffiti and various forms of abuse. It's one of many small and not-so-small indicators that what we regard as modern civilization is gradually but irreversibly degenerating.

That's a useful and pure perspective :thumbsup:

Destructive rebelling can go full circle though, like perhaps as in Charles' story, but I'd also argue it's the case with John Lydon. But your point is a great reminder of the war against music, and then even looking at the pop with high production values, with it's bland musicness, over-excess of 'cool' or robotic expressionlessness which the punk genre cryptically but intrinsically warned us about. I say cryptic because punk wasn't that generous. But with punk I'm inclined to respect them as much as I respect maggots which are supremely useful. Don't blame the player maggots, hate the game wound.

But not disagreeing with your point Bill, because I also believe punk was made sarcastically, irreverently and in bad-faith. But it doesn't feel as bad coming from an angry individual, as it does from a corporation or government. I suppose I'm trying to say it I feel it was worth it for John Lydon

[grapevine]

Would you also agree that the gap between the alternative and mainstream communities is moving inexorably closer together?

Ha, what an interesting question.
In content, No. In style, Yes. (And that's NOT a good thing.)




Could you please expand on that Bill? I thought it was just a case of the public joining the dots - just like it was for me.(Sorry I missed this question! :flower: )

It feels a little hard for me to answer, as — if I may say! — I do feel it's rather obvious. Yes, many people can join the dots now, and have increasingly been doing so as you very rightly say. There's definitely an ongoing snowball effect. But it's not because of the controlled, scripted and manipulative mainstream media narrative, it's despite it.

I have mainstream friends who joined the dots over Brexit/MP behaviour and Covid/MP behaviour, even globalisation but when it comes to 9/11 the jury is disappointingly still out. So, a toe over, but no giant leap. I think it's because they wouldnt know what to do next . .

[Patient]

Hi Bill, I was wondering how things have been since the events around losing your wallet and then finding it under your hat?

More to the point; has anything else occurred in your home that might be related or similar?

Has it changed your thoughts and views on portions of paranormal/ufo experiences reported by others?

Has it made your open mind more open? ;)Thanks, and that's a very acutely aware question. Yes, one or two other things have occurred which I've not mentioned on the forum at all and which right now I'm only discussing with a few close friends. I've been carefully considering a way to share them. (Do please forgive me for the seemingly evasive answer, but there are some good reasons. :flower: )


Oh, I understand of course!

I can imagine considering the amount of things/stories that you have experienced and heard.

Now there it is right in your hands! There are so many new ways to look at things and so much more to consider.

Through growing up, I always believed in UFO's as an E.T. visitation/exploration. When I had my own personal experience -> that busted open my mind! Then I KNEW it was real. I could not think about anything else for about 2 weeks.

I hope to hear a bit on your thoughts about it now, and how it is different than before.

Whenever you are ready. :)

[Bruce G Charlton]

Question for Bill.

What would you ideally most desire to happen to you after (biological) death?

I don't mean to ask what you believe will happen; more, what would be the best possible fate that you could imagine; not just the next step - but for eternity?


(The reason I ask is that - in an experiential sense - I believe that there is a strong sense in which 'we get what we want' after death; including that we get what we want, even when we don't enjoy the consequences of what we have asked for. As happens in this mortal life - when people are often made very miserable by what they insist on choosing. I believe this getting-what-we-want happens because the creator is Good and regards us parentally, as an ideal and eternal parent. We are (like it or not) ultimately responsible for what we ask-for; and it is given us, because we have this power of agency that cannot be over-ridden by anyone or anything. What we want; along with the consequences that flow from the choice. Not that this is necessarily irreversible - but the ability to make eternal commitments is, when the choice is positive and for Good, the greatest possible gift. And/but the flipside is that it is also possible to make eternal commitments to lies, resentment, spite and other evils.)

[Bill Ryan]

Question for Bill.

What would you ideally most desire to happen to you after (biological) death?

I don't mean to ask what you believe will happen; more, what would be the best possible fate that you could imagine; not just the next step - but for eternity?


(The reason I ask is that - in an experiential sense - I believe that there is a strong sense in which 'we get what we want' after death; including that we get what we want, even when we don't enjoy the consequences of what we have asked for. As happens in this mortal life - when people are often made very miserable by what they insist on choosing. I believe this getting-what-we-want happens because the creator is Good and regards us parentally, as an ideal and eternal parent. We are (like it or not) ultimately responsible for what we ask-for; and it is given us, because we have this power of agency that cannot be over-ridden by anyone or anything. What we want; along with the consequences that flow from the choice. Not that this is necessarily irreversible - but the ability to make eternal commitments is, when the choice is positive and for Good, the greatest possible gift. And/but the flipside is that it is also possible to make eternal commitments to lies, resentment, spite and other evils.)Many thanks for the question, and this is just an intro aside. :)

Bruce is a new member, and I knew him when I was an Outward Bound Instructor many years ago, and he was in my group. I remember him well, and he's a wonderful man. He kindly sent me this photo (of me :) ) that he'd taken way back then:

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland_sm.jpg
(larger image here: https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland.jpg)

:focus:

It's a good question, and I've posted about reincarnation in quite a few places on the forum. I've done quite some in-depth research about my own past lives, and I know quite a bit about them, a few in very interesting detail.

So after this life as Bill Ryan has run its course, I'll be genuinely looking forward to returning here. Life 'on this plane' (so to speak, and there are many other ways of putting that) is an adventure, a learning experience, and, if we manage all the challenges well, it can be a whole bunch of fun.

Moreover, we get to meet up with old friends again, and have the change to continue with, or complete, unfinished goals and long-term projects, some of which can extend over multiple lifetimes.

That's really just a brief, top-level answer (which assumes that I even understood the question!), and I'll be extremely happy to enlarge on any part of that if needed.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Question for Bill.

What would you ideally most desire to happen to you after (biological) death?

I don't mean to ask what you believe will happen; more, what would be the best possible fate that you could imagine; not just the next step - but for eternity?


(The reason I ask is that - in an experiential sense - I believe that there is a strong sense in which 'we get what we want' after death; including that we get what we want, even when we don't enjoy the consequences of what we have asked for. As happens in this mortal life - when people are often made very miserable by what they insist on choosing. I believe this getting-what-we-want happens because the creator is Good and regards us parentally, as an ideal and eternal parent. We are (like it or not) ultimately responsible for what we ask-for; and it is given us, because we have this power of agency that cannot be over-ridden by anyone or anything. What we want; along with the consequences that flow from the choice. Not that this is necessarily irreversible - but the ability to make eternal commitments is, when the choice is positive and for Good, the greatest possible gift. And/but the flipside is that it is also possible to make eternal commitments to lies, resentment, spite and other evils.)Many thanks for the question, and this is just an intro aside. :)

Bruce is a new member, and I knew him when I was an Outward Bound Instructor many years ago, and he was in my group. I remember him well, and he's a wonderful man. He kindly sent me this photo (of me :) ) that he'd taken way back then:

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland_sm.jpg
(larger image here: https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland.jpg)

:focus:

It's a good question, and I've posted about reincarnation in quite a few places on the forum. I've done quite some in-depth research about my own past lives, and I know quite a bit about them, a few in very interesting detail.

So after this life as Bill Ryan has run its course, I'll be genuinely looking forward to returning here. Life 'on this plane' (so to speak, and there are many other ways of putting that) is an adventure, a learning experience, and, if we manage all the challenges well, it can be a whole bunch of fun.

Moreover, we get to meet up with old friends again, and have the change to continue with, or complete, unfinished goals and long-term projects, some of which can extend over multiple lifetimes.

That's really just a brief, top-level answer (which assumes that I even understood the question!), and I'll be extremely happy to enlarge on any part of that if needed.

*


Thank you for the welcome! BTW: the photograph is from summer 1976 - probably July or August; and was in the Cairngorms, Scotland.

And thank you for the reply. If you are interested in this question; I would like to ask more.

What I was wondering is whether you would regard endless/ eternal reincarnations 'on this plane' as being The Best Imaginable destination after this life? This is a way of asking whether you regard life 'on this plane' as sufficient for eternity? (Even assuming it was repeated without limit and varied as much as might potentially happen on this plane.)

In other words; would you personally imagine life as Even-Better then your conviction of open-ended reincarnation, if there was the hope of further progression or development - e.g. to another plane or planes of existence with qualitatively greater possibilities (e.g. further development both of yourself, your soul; and of the situation)?

[Bill Ryan]

Question for Bill.

What would you ideally most desire to happen to you after (biological) death?

I don't mean to ask what you believe will happen; more, what would be the best possible fate that you could imagine; not just the next step - but for eternity?


(The reason I ask is that - in an experiential sense - I believe that there is a strong sense in which 'we get what we want' after death; including that we get what we want, even when we don't enjoy the consequences of what we have asked for. As happens in this mortal life - when people are often made very miserable by what they insist on choosing. I believe this getting-what-we-want happens because the creator is Good and regards us parentally, as an ideal and eternal parent. We are (like it or not) ultimately responsible for what we ask-for; and it is given us, because we have this power of agency that cannot be over-ridden by anyone or anything. What we want; along with the consequences that flow from the choice. Not that this is necessarily irreversible - but the ability to make eternal commitments is, when the choice is positive and for Good, the greatest possible gift. And/but the flipside is that it is also possible to make eternal commitments to lies, resentment, spite and other evils.)Many thanks for the question, and this is just an intro aside. :)

Bruce is a new member, and I knew him when I was an Outward Bound Instructor many years ago, and he was in my group. I remember him well, and he's a wonderful man. He kindly sent me this photo (of me :) ) that he'd taken way back then:

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland_sm.jpg
(larger image here: https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland.jpg)

:focus:

It's a good question, and I've posted about reincarnation in quite a few places on the forum. I've done quite some in-depth research about my own past lives, and I know quite a bit about them, a few in very interesting detail.

So after this life as Bill Ryan has run its course, I'll be genuinely looking forward to returning here. Life 'on this plane' (so to speak, and there are many other ways of putting that) is an adventure, a learning experience, and, if we manage all the challenges well, it can be a whole bunch of fun.

Moreover, we get to meet up with old friends again, and have the change to continue with, or complete, unfinished goals and long-term projects, some of which can extend over multiple lifetimes.

That's really just a brief, top-level answer (which assumes that I even understood the question!), and I'll be extremely happy to enlarge on any part of that if needed.

*


Thank you for the welcome! BTW: the photograph is from summer 1976 - probably July or August; and was in the Cairngorms, Scotland.

And thank you for the reply. If you are interested in this question; I would like to ask more.

What I was wondering is whether you would regard endless/ eternal reincarnations 'on this plane' as being The Best Imaginable destination after this life? This is a way of asking whether you regard life 'on this plane' as sufficient for eternity? (Even assuming it was repeated without limit and varied as much as might potentially happen on this plane.)

In other words; would you personally imagine life as Even-Better then your conviction of open-ended reincarnation, if there was the hope of further progression or development - e.g. to another plane or planes of existence with qualitatively greater possibilities (e.g. further development both of yourself, your soul; and of the situation)?Thanks again! But I may not be able to add all that much more.

I'm aware of the possibility, from (e.g.) many fascinating reports of Near-Death Experiences (NDEs), that there may VERY well be many many more after-death (or between-lives) realms, and therefore possibilities of many other kinds of direct, deep, profound and meaningful experience.

But I've not encountered any of that myself in any form that I'm aware of, and so (for me personally) all those possibilities are kind of second-hand concepts, as it were. Meanwhile, I have had what feel like very direct experiences of past-life recall, some in considerable and very real and vivid detail, so that's what really constitutes what feels like my direct knowledge-base.

I'm comfortable with that, and so that leaves me equally comfortable with returning here (or, in theory, to any other planet with intelligent civilized life, for we can also reincarnate elsewhere if we choose to). I don't feel any compulsion or desire to 'escape this realm', as I find it fascinating, challenging, and do (usually! :P ) enjoy the experience. But if, for instance, I were to have a Near-Death Experience, granting me direct insights into something I feel I can't for the moment really properly know, my view might very well change.

Did I come anywhere close to answering this a little better? :)

[Bruce G Charlton]

Question for Bill.

What would you ideally most desire to happen to you after (biological) death?

I don't mean to ask what you believe will happen; more, what would be the best possible fate that you could imagine; not just the next step - but for eternity?


(The reason I ask is that - in an experiential sense - I believe that there is a strong sense in which 'we get what we want' after death; including that we get what we want, even when we don't enjoy the consequences of what we have asked for. As happens in this mortal life - when people are often made very miserable by what they insist on choosing. I believe this getting-what-we-want happens because the creator is Good and regards us parentally, as an ideal and eternal parent. We are (like it or not) ultimately responsible for what we ask-for; and it is given us, because we have this power of agency that cannot be over-ridden by anyone or anything. What we want; along with the consequences that flow from the choice. Not that this is necessarily irreversible - but the ability to make eternal commitments is, when the choice is positive and for Good, the greatest possible gift. And/but the flipside is that it is also possible to make eternal commitments to lies, resentment, spite and other evils.)Many thanks for the question, and this is just an intro aside. :)

Bruce is a new member, and I knew him when I was an Outward Bound Instructor many years ago, and he was in my group. I remember him well, and he's a wonderful man. He kindly sent me this photo (of me :) ) that he'd taken way back then:

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland_sm.jpg
(larger image here: https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland.jpg)

:focus:

It's a good question, and I've posted about reincarnation in quite a few places on the forum. I've done quite some in-depth research about my own past lives, and I know quite a bit about them, a few in very interesting detail.

So after this life as Bill Ryan has run its course, I'll be genuinely looking forward to returning here. Life 'on this plane' (so to speak, and there are many other ways of putting that) is an adventure, a learning experience, and, if we manage all the challenges well, it can be a whole bunch of fun.

Moreover, we get to meet up with old friends again, and have the change to continue with, or complete, unfinished goals and long-term projects, some of which can extend over multiple lifetimes.

That's really just a brief, top-level answer (which assumes that I even understood the question!), and I'll be extremely happy to enlarge on any part of that if needed.

*


Thank you for the welcome! BTW: the photograph is from summer 1976 - probably July or August; and was in the Cairngorms, Scotland.

And thank you for the reply. If you are interested in this question; I would like to ask more.

What I was wondering is whether you would regard endless/ eternal reincarnations 'on this plane' as being The Best Imaginable destination after this life? This is a way of asking whether you regard life 'on this plane' as sufficient for eternity? (Even assuming it was repeated without limit and varied as much as might potentially happen on this plane.)

In other words; would you personally imagine life as Even-Better then your conviction of open-ended reincarnation, if there was the hope of further progression or development - e.g. to another plane or planes of existence with qualitatively greater possibilities (e.g. further development both of yourself, your soul; and of the situation)?Thanks again! But I may not be able to add all that much more.

I'm aware of the possibility, from (e.g.) many fascinating reports of Near-Death Experiences (NDEs), that there may VERY well be many many more after-death (or between-lives) realms, and therefore possibilities of many other kinds of direct, deep, profound and meaningful experience.

But I've not encountered any of that myself in any form that I'm aware of, and so (for me personally) all those possibilities are kind of second-hand concepts, as it were. Meanwhile, I have had what feel like very direct experiences of past-life recall, some in considerable and very real and vivid detail, so that's what really constitutes what feels like my direct knowledge-base.

I'm comfortable with that, and so that leaves me equally comfortable with returning here (or, in theory, to any other planet with intelligent civilized life, for we can also reincarnate elsewhere if we choose to). I don't feel any compulsion or desire to 'escape this realm', as I find it fascinating, challenging, and do (usually! :P ) enjoy the experience. But if, for instance, I were to have a Near-Death Experience, granting me direct insights into something I feel I can't for the moment really properly know, my view might very well change.

Did I come anywhere close to answering this a little better? :)


Bill. Yes, thank you - that seems to be a valid answer to what I was asking. In a world-historical context, I think it is very unusual to find someone who is as thoughtful as I know you to be - who is also - broadly speaking - satisfied with human nature and mortal life 'on this plane' (i.e. with its essentially entropic dominance - inevitable destruction, decay, death etc).

But I can see that you are satisfied, and therefore that to be confident of an indefinitely extended series of lives of the same basic nature would therefore be your ideal (as well as something of which you have experiential knowledge).

Again, thanks for taking the time to elucidate this.

[Jamie]

I've just come from the "Vitamin D beats vaccines every day" thread, where Pyrangello asks about the Gabriele Stähler Vitamin D3 video.

I was just wondering... Are the old Project Camelot videos still available to watch/download somewhere?

I realise that your YouTube channel was deleted, and I did a brief forum search, but can't find if this has already been answered.
I'd love to know if any of the original PC (meaning Project Camelot...not Politically Correct :rolleyes:) videos are still out there to watch.

[Bill Ryan]

I've just come from the "Vitamin D beats vaccines every day" thread, where Pyrangello asks about the Gabriele Stähler Vitamin D3 video.

I was just wondering... Are the old Project Camelot videos still available to watch/download somewhere?

I realise that your YouTube channel was deleted, and I did a brief forum search, but can't find if this has already been answered.
I'd love to know if any of the original PC (meaning Project Camelot...not Politically Correct :rolleyes:) videos are still out there to watch.They're on Odysee, and the link is here:


https://odysee.com/$/discover?t=project%20camelot

I've not looked through them at all to see what might have been omitted (even accidentally) from the 2006-2010 period when I was very closely involved in everything we did. But it does look like there's a lot of good material there. :thumbsup:

[Jamie]

I've just come from the "Vitamin D beats vaccines every day" thread, where Pyrangello asks about the Gabriele Stähler Vitamin D3 video.

I was just wondering... Are the old Project Camelot videos still available to watch/download somewhere?

I realise that your YouTube channel was deleted, and I did a brief forum search, but can't find if this has already been answered.
I'd love to know if any of the original PC (meaning Project Camelot...not Politically Correct :rolleyes:) videos are still out there to watch.They're on Odysee, and the link is here:


https://odysee.com/$/discover?t=project%20camelot

I've not looked through them at all to see what might have been omitted (even accidentally) from the 2006-2010 period when I was very closely involved in everything we did. But it does look like there's a lot of good material there. :thumbsup:

That's brilliant to know many thanks. :thumbsup:

Funnily enough I had a look through some old HDDs I had and found a few of the videos (dated under 'properties' as downloaded in 2010). Has it really been that long?

I couldn't work out if the names of the videos where original or something I'd labelled them as! lol.
In particular the one labelled "I once had an ET Girlfriend!"

50370

[Jamie]

Gosh you really where ahead of the time!
Even one of the Project Camelot videos on Odysee was with 'Graham Hancock'. I must have somehow missed it in the past.

I've been recently buying up all the Graham Hancock books on 'Audible' as well as watching him on Joe Rogan and the Russel Brand YouTube channels.
So great to see you & Kerry were there way before everyone.
OK...a little bit of soppiness... I'll always love you & Kerry for what you brought to all of us!! :clapping::happythumbsup:

[Johnnycomelately]

Hi Bruce. Bill says he is open to change, dependent on trustworthy new data. I think your conclusion is from a differing POV, possibly end-aligned with my own, which rates statement. Not sure if this thread is the place, but I would love to hear your answer to your own original question.

Me: I have heard, and believe, a story of distant cosmic brothers & sisters who are intent in bringing their whole star-system back up to ‘heaven’ status/functionality... which reminds of “In for a penny, in for a pound”, which seems to be Bill’s attitude.

By your writing, you are a good friend to Bill. Please be a friend to us all here, and tell us your own conviction. Again, not sure what thread would be best for that; I recently made a pop-valve/take-it-elsewhere thread, but it self-destructed (my bad). I apologize if I have not got your understanding from prior reference. Am pleased to meet you. Cheers.






I don't feel any compulsion or desire to 'escape this realm', as I find it fascinating, challenging, and do (usually! :P ) enjoy the experience. But if, for instance, I were to have a Near-Death Experience, granting me direct insights into something I feel I can't for the moment really properly know, my view might very well change.

Did I come anywhere close to answering this a little better? :)


Bill. Yes, thank you - that seems to be a valid answer to what I was asking. In a world-historical context, I think it is very unusual to find someone who is as thoughtful as I know you to be - who is also - broadly speaking - satisfied with human nature and mortal life 'on this plane' (i.e. with its essentially entropic dominance - inevitable destruction, decay, death etc).

But I can see that you are satisfied, and therefore that to be confident of an indefinitely extended series of lives of the same basic nature would therefore be your ideal (as well as something of which you have experiential knowledge).

Again, thanks for taking the time to elucidate this.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Hi Bruce. Bill says he is open to change, dependent on trustworthy new data. I think your conclusion is from a differing POV, possibly end-aligned with my own, which rates statement. Not sure if this thread is the place, but I would love to hear your answer to your own original question.

Me: I have heard, and believe, a story of distant cosmic brothers & sisters who are intent in bringing their whole star-system back up to ‘heaven’ status/functionality... which reminds of “In for a penny, in for a pound”, which seems to be Bill’s attitude.

By your writing, you are a good friend to Bill. Please be a friend to us all here, and tell us your own conviction. Again, not sure what thread would be best for that; I recently made a pop-valve/take-it-elsewhere thread, but it self-destructed (my bad). I apologize if I have not got your understanding from prior reference. Am pleased to meet you. Cheers.






I don't feel any compulsion or desire to 'escape this realm', as I find it fascinating, challenging, and do (usually! :P ) enjoy the experience. But if, for instance, I were to have a Near-Death Experience, granting me direct insights into something I feel I can't for the moment really properly know, my view might very well change.

Did I come anywhere close to answering this a little better? :)


Bill. Yes, thank you - that seems to be a valid answer to what I was asking. In a world-historical context, I think it is very unusual to find someone who is as thoughtful as I know you to be - who is also - broadly speaking - satisfied with human nature and mortal life 'on this plane' (i.e. with its essentially entropic dominance - inevitable destruction, decay, death etc).

But I can see that you are satisfied, and therefore that to be confident of an indefinitely extended series of lives of the same basic nature would therefore be your ideal (as well as something of which you have experiential knowledge).

Again, thanks for taking the time to elucidate this.

I'm happy to elucidate; but instead of taking-up space on Bill's personal Q&A - I have sent you a personal message. - Bruce

[Denise/Dizi]

The video is a copy of your pilot with Kerry, if you could do it differently, do you believe it may have led to something that would have allowed you more access to others, and more information?

Why do you think it was shunned? Too close to the truth? Something else?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQD0rUqbGo

[Bill Ryan]

The video is a copy of your pilot with Kerry, if you could do it differently, do you believe it may have led to something that would have allowed you more access to others, and more information?

Why do you think it was shunned? Too close to the truth? Something else?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQD0rUqbGo

If you could do it differently, do you believe it may have led to something that would have allowed you more access to others, and more information?

Yes, for sure. But we had almost zero input into how it was all done, and how it was edited and presented. We submitted a ton of detailed feedback, but almost everything we recommended — sometimes very strongly — was ignored. Basically, the show was terrible. :)

An interesting tidbit. When the idea for the show was being presented and promoted to all the various networks — like a sales pitch for the concept — it was immediately taken up by The History Channel, who would have done the whole thing far more seriously and with a much larger budget, a bigger audience, and a more experienced and professional production crew. We were delighted about what was clearly a major breakthrough.

But then a couple weeks later, we heard that they had changed their mind. No reason was ever given, and when we tried to ask why the decision has been reversed, we were stonewalled.

We were told by contacts in the TV business that this was VERY unusual, in fact almost unprecedented, for The History Channel to have done something like this. We strongly suspected that a mandate not to give us that platform had been issued by someone senior in US intel.

Why do you think it was shunned? Too close to the truth? Something else?

Well, besides the finished pilot episode being really pretty dreadful, the TruTV executives DID NOT LIKE KERRY. Not one bit.

They made me an offer to do my own series without her. Just me, an interesting and articulate English guy with an accent and an Indiana Jones hat. :)

That was one of the 'Sliding Doors' moments in my life. I could have accepted the deal and become a TV star, like a British version of Jesse Ventura. If I'd done that, my whole life might have unfolded in a very different parallel-universe direction.

Kerry was terribly, terribly upset, more so that I'd ever known her. She comes over like a defiant, feisty warrior almost all the time, but underneath her external armor she's extremely sensitive.

She was inconsolable, in floods of tears. "They don't like me, they don't like me, they don't like me", she kept on saying.

I just couldn't betray and deeply hurt Kerry in that way. I turned down the TV network's offer, and I never heard from them again.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

He kindly sent me this photo (of me :) ) that he'd taken way back then:

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland_sm.jpg
(larger image here: https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland.jpg)



I've a question, Bill.

(I sometimes do this with myself, surprisingly interesting answers can come up)

- but if you could go back in time into that photograph (above), to have five minutes of conversation with your younger self, what would you tell him?

[Bill Ryan]

He kindly sent me this photo (of me :) ) that he'd taken way back then:

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland_sm.jpg
(larger image here: https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland.jpg)



I've a question, Bill.

(I sometimes do this with myself, surprisingly interesting answers can come up)

- but if you could go back in time into that photograph (above), to have five minutes of conversation with your younger self, what would you tell him?~~~

Well, that young 23-year old had already


Read and understood Gary Allen's very important None Dare Call It Conspiracy (here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Gary%20Allen%20-%20None%20Dare%20Call%20It%20Conspiracy.pdf) in the Avalon Library)
Argued with one of the senior teachers at Millfield School that the BBC news was merely a form of entertainment
Felt strongly that commercial advertising of any kind was anti-human and unethical
Read and understood Ivan Illich's seminal and visionary books Deschooling Society and Medical Nemesis (Library links here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ivan%20Illich%20-%20Deschooling%20Society.pdf) and here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ivan%20Illich%20-%20Tools%20for%20Conviviality.pdf))
Read every UFO book published at that time
Read and understood Adelle Davis's early and influential book Let’s Eat Right to Keep Fit (Library link here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Adelle%20Davis%20_%20Let_s%20Eat%20Right%20to%20Keep%20Fit.pdf))
Understood that his life mission was to be a 'teacher', but NOT in any mainstream school system.

So, I think he was already pretty much on the right track.

I think what I'd want to tell him, arm round his young but strong shoulder, is that it would take many years before he found his soulmate, and that he should never to give up on that quest, or make the wrong life decisions too early.

Fascinating aside:

In Richard Bach's wonderful autobiography, The Bridge Across Forever (Library link here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Richard%20Bach%20-%20The%20Bridge%20Across%20Forever-%20A%20Love%20Story%20(1986).pdf)), he recounts how when he was young, he had a dream in which he met with his 20-years-older self, who gave him a bunch of valuable advice.

Then — 20 years later — he had another dream in which he met with his younger self, giving him all that mature advice.

It was the same dream.

:heart:

[Bruce G Charlton]

He kindly sent me this photo (of me :) ) that he'd taken way back then:

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland_sm.jpg
(larger image here: https://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_in_the_Cairngorms_at_Outward_Bound_Scotland.jpg)



I've a question, Bill.

(I sometimes do this with myself, surprisingly interesting answers can come up)

- but if you could go back in time into that photograph (above), to have five minutes of conversation with your younger self, what would you tell him?~~~

Well, that young 23-year old had already


Read and understood Gary Allen's very important None Dare Call It Conspiracy (here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Gary%20Allen%20-%20None%20Dare%20Call%20It%20Conspiracy.pdf) in the Avalon Library)
Argued with one of the senior teachers at Millfield School that the BBC news was merely a form of entertainment
Felt strongly that commercial advertising of any kind was anti-human and unethical
Read and understood Ivan Illich's seminal and visionary books Deschooling Society and Medical Nemesis (Library links here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ivan%20Illich%20-%20Deschooling%20Society.pdf) and here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ivan%20Illich%20-%20Tools%20for%20Conviviality.pdf))
Read every UFO book published at that time
Read and understood Adelle Davis's early and influential book Let’s Eat Right to Keep Fit (Library link here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Adelle%20Davis%20_%20Let_s%20Eat%20Right%20to%20Keep%20Fit.pdf))
Understood that his life mission was to be a 'teacher', but NOT in any mainstream school system.

So, I think he was already pretty much on the right track.

I think what I'd want to tell him, arm round his young but strong shoulder, is that it would take many years before he found his soulmate, and that he should never to give up on that quest, or make the wrong life decisions too early.

Fascinating aside:

In Richard Bach's wonderful autobiography, The Bridge Across Forever (Library link here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Richard%20Bach%20-%20The%20Bridge%20Across%20Forever-%20A%20Love%20Story%20(1986).pdf)), he recounts how when he was young, he had a dream in which he met with his 20-years-older self, who gave him a bunch of valuable advice.

Then — 20 years later — he had another dream in which he met with his younger self, giving him all that mature advice.

It was the same dream.

:heart:


Bill - At the time I took the photo, I remember having long conversations with you about education, which I now see were probably inspired by Illich; and also by Robert M Pirsig's teaching experiments described in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (which you lent me - pressing a copy into my hands at the railway station in Elgin, I think). My recollection is that you were just about to begin teaching at Millfield (summer 1976) but had left before my friend Jack Davies went there in summer 1978.

BTW You later sent me, by post, a magazine review of ZAMM by Richard Boston which I still have somewhere. A decade or so after, I wrote an academic paper about the philosophy of ZAMM which Pirsig read and approved!

[Bill Ryan]

Bill - At the time I took the photo, I remember having long conversations with you about education, which I now see were probably inspired by Illich; and also by Robert M Pirsig's teaching experiments described in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (which you lent me - pressing a copy into my hands at the railway station in Elgin, I think). My recollection is that you were just about to begin teaching at Millfield (summer 1976) but had left before my friend Jack Davies went there in summer 1978.

BTW You later sent me, by post, a magazine review of ZAMM by Richard Boston which I still have somewhere. A decade or so after, I wrote an academic paper about the philosophy of ZAMM which Pirsig read and approved!Ha. (And Wow!!) :highfive:

You may find this short 2017 Avalon thread fascinating... it contains links to a couple of wonderful audio interviews with Pirsig, and has some other most interesting material there too.


Robert Pirsig, author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, has passed (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97688-Robert-Pirsig-author-of-Zen-and-the-Art-of-Motorcycle-Maintenance-has-passed)

[Denise/Dizi]

Good Morning Bill and Mara :heart:

Bill? Why do you think it is that all the "News" and media outlets, and other things get more attention these days in the forums, than those things that once were sought after heavily?

Things such as Mars, a space program, people who may already live on mars, structures, the craft.. ie triangles or tr3b's as well as other craft now... The technologies as well..

Do you think intelligence agencies are infiltrating and ib small efforts, with big results, swaying the conversation away from such things, to other topics?

Could it be that with the technologies in our hands, people no longer go looking, so it was easy to hide thosse topics, and give them only what they wanted them to find when browsing?

I am both baffled by this, and disappointed. Not in you or the site or members, or their efforts, but it seems nno one notices, or really even cares now.

Surely there are short threads that die relatively quickly, but the days of Michael Shratt, and Mark Mc Candlish are gone, in so far as the amount of knowledge they shared about some technologies.

Are people just overwhelmed and redirected, without noticing they have personal questions of their own?

It seems those that DO create content these days focus on pointing out the people in the community that lie for profit, more than anyone looking for truth. I suppose that is what I am trying to say... Is it just the easier route to an income and acceptance into this crowd these days?

How do you feel about that, given how you started out in this community, and all that you have helped to expose?

I want to add, I am in no way diminishing the role of the medical posts, political posts, economic posts, etc... But it seems the sites in general that covered disclosure type information have all gone silent..

Are all the "Big Guns" in this arena retired and finished, with the new Big Guns, set onto safety permanently? And what do you think about this trend?

[Bill Ryan]

Bill? Why do you think it is that all the "News" and media outlets, and other things get more attention these days in the forums, than those things that once were sought after heavily? Well, there's a lot of alternative media coverage reported (and discussed) on Avalon. I think that's simply because there are more and more concerning developments manifesting globally literally every day.

The great proportion of this coverage is connected with current global events: the war in Ukraine, Russophobia in all its forms, The multipolar world order, covid, the vaxx, Pfizer relevations, the WEF, climate and environment problems and questions, big tech censorship, the US border crisis, all kinds of crises in the EU, the UK and the US, other problems of migration (everywhere!), personal surveillance and privacy, protests and unrest all over the world, problems of food and energy supply, election corruption, and much much more.

Rich Dolan still publishes his UFO-oriented videos almost every week, and so do quite a few others. But they may not be quite as important right now as (e.g.) what may be the very real threat of an escalation of the Ukraine war to an actual WW3. (WW3 has certainly already started, though it's not a shooting war yet. But it might well become one before the end of this year.)

Meanwhile, there are nearly 100,000 Avalon threads on every subject imaginable, and they're all there to be found with easy searches. Anyone is more than welcome (and encouraged!) to bump any thread they come across that they feel should be brought back to our collective attention.

[9ideon]

You were in something I watched yesterday and I have a question about it.

It's easy to miss the question in the new post section, so since it is Topic related, the question is waiting for you there, Post #13, (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118559-Theory-of-Us&p=1543485&viewfull=1#post1543485) Theory of Us. Hope that this is fine.

[onawah]

I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering what your take is on the recent scandal involving the Dalai Lama, Bill. See starting here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29736-Dalai-Lama-is-personification-of-evil&p=1552796#post1552796
...and if you have any memories or impressions from your lives as a Tibetan monk that would have any bearing on the controversy.
Thank you.

[onawah]

It's been a month since Bill has posted on this thread, but hopefully this will get his attention and a response.
First I would like to sincerely thank him for his post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1557073&viewfull=1#post1557073
...which among other things, is a kind of blow to "hopium", and in support of the very credible and well documented scientific evidence that has been presented on that thread regularly since 2015.

Another post (on a very different issue, but also related to hopium) I would like to bring to Bill's attention (and also to other members who are not aware of this issue) is not one of Bill's, but of mine, and it's here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1557702&viewfull=1#post1557702

That post spotlights a video from "Team Bubba" and features clips from a discussion "Shane The Ruiner" is participating in from a couple of years ago, and the focus is the ongoing scams of Kim Goguen and her cohorts.
There is also mention made of the Project Avalon forum and the interview of Shane by Kerry Cassidy.

(Long time members of Avalon will remember "Shane the Ruiner" who was getting a lot of attention back in 2015 on the forum, and was interviewed by Kerry Cassidy.
See this post from Bill which gives links to threads about Shane: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind&p=999534&viewfull=1#post999534 )

For members not familiar with Kim Goguen, there has been a thread on Avalon focusing on her current scams since 2020 now 84 pages long here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&highlight=kim+goguen

Bill himself has discredited Goguen as a fraud when approached, BUT that thread has been presenting her as a legitimate source of information all this time.
...Even though it has been proven time and time again that her claims are untrue, and she and her cohorts are scammers who have taken money from many, many people under false pretenses over the years with no return to show for it, even leading to bankruptcy for some victims.

My concerns are particularly for those people who may be thinking Goguen is legitimate because they are reading that thread here on Avalon, and for the reputation of Avalon as a source of true, vetted information.

And my hope is that Bill will once again strike a blow against hopium, help to prevent more people from falling victim, and bring more legitimacy back to this forum.

I think it's inappropriate and harmful that Avalon is being used as a venue for presenting Goguen as a legitmate philanthropist and source of information, and I would like to hear Bill's thoughts about that.

Team Bubba is a source of information about scammers like Goguen, and I have been in touch with him. He is aware of what is happening on the forum in relation to this, and has been kind enough to begin presenting regular new videos on his channel about Goguen and her cohorts' scams, which I am posting on the thread I started about a month ago, "Who is Kim Goguen" at:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen

[Bill Ryan]

You were in something I watched yesterday and I have a question about it.

It's easy to miss the question in the new post section, so since it is Topic related, the question is waiting for you there, Post #13, (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118559-Theory-of-Us&p=1543485&viewfull=1#post1543485) Theory of Us. Hope that this is fine.First, my apologies for being so disorganized as to miss these recent questions. (Note to self: I really must 'subscribe' to this thread! :))

9ideon was asking (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118559-Theory-of-Us&p=1543485&viewfull=1#post1543485) if I had a comment about Karen Hudes and her remarks about the elongated skull people, whoever they are, and who may (or may not!) be still around. He referenced my rather carefully worded video statement timestamped here (https://youtu.be/P47-aRPmL5A?t=1789).

In answer, I just don't know anything more. And Karen Hudes may (or may not!) be credible.

My own opinion about the elongated skulls, all on display at Brien Foerster's museum in Paracas, Peru, is that while some may well be the result of human deformation of still-growing skulls of children, others are definitely anomalous and have a much enlarged cranial volume — implying a far greater brain size.

I think the evidence is overwhelming that they're real, and are or were from a species of human that's never been officially or formally acknowledged. One of the many unanswered questions is what became of them, i.e. did they become extinct for some unknown reason or, alternatively, went into hiding and are still around, as Karen Hudes claims.

See these two very fascinating Avalon threads: (and there are others, easily found by searching for Paracas in forum posts)


The Coneheads of Peru (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86314-The-Coneheads-of-Peru)
DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94318-DNA-results-the-Elongated-Paracas-Skulls)

Here are some photos, copied from this 2015 post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86314-The-Coneheads-of-Peru&p=1013526&viewfull=1#post1013526) of mine: Some of them are not human, or not fully human. On visual inspection, this seems self-evident.

http://projectavalon.net/Paracas_skulls_in_case_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Paracas_Skull_1_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Paracas_Skull_2_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Paracas_Skull_3_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Paracas_Skull_4_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Paracas_Skull_5_sm.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering what your take is on the recent scandal involving the Dalai Lama, Bill. See starting here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29736-Dalai-Lama-is-personification-of-evil&p=1552796#post1552796
Thank you.That's a great question. I stopped paying attention to the [current] Dalai Lama a little while ago, when it started to seem as if he was being infected himself with the current 'mind virus'.

Like the Pope, there's a great deal he could be stating clearly and publicly if he truly were a strong and principled moral and ethical religious leader. I do think he was once, but maybe not any more. (And, as a part of the human condition that can affect us all, he's 87 now, almost the same as Pope Francis, and his age may have something to do with it as well. :flower:)


...and if you have any memories or impressions from your lives as a Tibetan monk that would have any bearing on the controversy.That's a great question as well — and I simply don't. :) (For others reading this, maybe newer members: I have very clear memories of having been a Tibetan Lama for about 1000 years, ending in 1850 when I consciously decided to be reincarnated in the west.)

It has to be the case that in some of those lives I may have been relatively isolated (living in monasteries in a fairly sheltered environment), though I do remember traveling quite a lot, certainly a little earlier in that period. For whatever reasons, I have no memories of slavery or mistreatment of any Tibetan people... maybe because I just don't recall it, or because I never encountered it, or because it was rare or maybe not happening at all at that time.

Of some interest (but off-topic re this question!) I have distinct memories of living in what later became mythologized as "Shambala". This was a totally real place currently called Shang-Shung, now in ruins and still incredibly hard to get to, way off in the distant far reaches of western Tibet. I know exactly where it is, and there are one or two rare travel articles about it.

I posted about it here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62272-Describe-Utopia.-YOUR-own-vision-your-own-version-of-utopia&p=715916&viewfull=1#post715916), on a great 2013 thread called Describe "Utopia." YOUR own vision, your own version of utopia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62272-Describe-Utopia.-YOUR-own-vision-your-own-version-of-utopia). I wrote:

~~~
I was there once, and it has been mythologized as Shambhala. The real name was Shang-Shung (http://www.ssi-austria.at/ssi-engl/kyunglung-intro-engl.htm), in western Tibet: even now it is extremely hard to get to. Here is a photo of the ruins:

http://projectavalon.net/Shangshung.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Shangshung_map.jpg

I was there for four lifetimes, in the AD 820-975 period. It was a beautiful, idyllic community of peace, study, meditation and learning. The little paradise -- which was famous for a thousand miles around -- eventually fell into dereliction through natural climate change, when the rains failed.

It gradually became desertified, and in the end nothing would grow there any more. The apricot trees withered, and the barley fields became dust bowls. When the goats and yaks started to give birth to stillborn, because they were so dehydrated, we took that as a sign, and very reluctantly left for good.

The loss was hard for us to understand or accept, but we knew it meant that the seat of learning would spread further as we went our different ways for different reasons.

Other communities were re-founded elsewhere, but nothing matched it. It was a sacred place, and these are not so easily cloned. I have some very vivid memories of those times, and it fully deserved its place in Tibetan legend.

Of course, the exact same thing has happened 1000 years later, as Tibet itself became ruined -- only for its timeless heritage to re-emerge and be sustained elsewhere in the world, for the benefit of all.

:heart:

[Bill Ryan]

It's been a month since Bill has posted on this thread, but hopefully this will get his attention and a response.
First I would like to sincerely thank him for his post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1557073&viewfull=1#post1557073
...which among other things, is a kind of blow to "hopium", and in support of the very credible and well documented scientific evidence that has been presented on that thread regularly since 2015.

Another post (on a very different issue, but also related to hopium) I would like to bring to Bill's attention (and also to other members who are not aware of this issue) is not one of Bill's, but of mine, and it's here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1557702&viewfull=1#post1557702

That post spotlights a video from "Team Bubba" and features clips from a discussion "Shane The Ruiner" is participating in from a couple of years ago, and the focus is the ongoing scams of Kim Goguen and her cohorts.
There is also mention made of the Project Avalon forum and the interview of Shane by Kerry Cassidy.

(Long time members of Avalon will remember "Shane the Ruiner" who was getting a lot of attention back in 2015 on the forum, and was interviewed by Kerry Cassidy.
See this post from Bill which gives links to threads about Shane: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind&p=999534&viewfull=1#post999534 )

For members not familiar with Kim Goguen, there has been a thread on Avalon focusing on her current scams since 2020 now 84 pages long here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&highlight=kim+goguen

Bill himself has discredited Goguen as a fraud when approached, BUT that thread has been presenting her as a legitimate source of information all this time.
...Even though it has been proven time and time again that her claims are untrue, and she and her cohorts are scammers who have taken money from many, many people under false pretenses over the years with no return to show for it, even leading to bankruptcy for some victims.

My concerns are particularly for those people who may be thinking Goguen is legitimate because they are reading that thread here on Avalon, and for the reputation of Avalon as a source of true, vetted information.

And my hope is that Bill will once again strike a blow against hopium, help to prevent more people from falling victim, and bring more legitimacy back to this forum.

I think it's inappropriate and harmful that Avalon is being used as a venue for presenting Goguen as a legitmate philanthropist and source of information, and I would like to hear Bill's thoughts about that.

Team Bubba is a source of information about scammers like Goguen, and I have been in touch with him. He is aware of what is happening on the forum in relation to this, and has been kind enough to begin presenting regular new videos on his channel about Goguen and her cohorts' scams, which I am posting on the thread I started about a month ago, "Who is Kim Goguen" at:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-GoguenMy apologies again! And this is a complex question. I know all about 'hopium', and I feel it has to be handled with very great care.

Many members (and visiting guests, who vastly outnumber the members) are these days under significant personal and emotional pressure for all kinds of real-world reasons. There are many Avalon threads about that, and I feel just one of the forum's important functions is to offer support and encouragement to everyone who needs it, whether we know who they are or not. (See the members-only Support Thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116989-The-Support-Thread), for instance, where some specific and very difficult personal issues are shared.)

So I don't always find it easy to pour cold water on feel-good claims or shared information that I regard as spurious when examined closely in the cold light of day. I usually just disregard the threads or posts and move on quietly.

I've stated elsewhere that as best I know, I have the view that Kim Goguen is a very presentable and persuasive fraud. I'm pretty certain of that. I'd not bet my entire life on it, but I'd place as much as $1000 on the table, and maybe more. :) (To me, that's a lot!! :ROFL: )

There seem to me to be so many anomalies and contradictions that the issue is definitely muddied — at least. Just one of those problems, which (it seems to me!) is so preposterous that we really do need to stay reminded about it, is Kim G's claim that the Chinese Navy was 'dematerialized' sometime last year (or maybe it was the year before).

Gwin Ru (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?33862-Gwin-Ru), who I like, respect, count as a close friend, and have known for many years, posted his response here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1548399&viewfull=1#post1548399), but in my view that can't possibly hold water. I've not taken issue with it as I don;t want to get into a public (or even a private!) fight with Gwin, and so my stance is to let it all run and eventually readers will come to their own conclusions. I feel no personal need to try to force the issue. It seems harmless to me, unlike a Corey Goode situation where real-world harm was being done to some people.

So — I've simply refrained from posting current photos and videos of Chinese naval vessels each time I see them, which is soon after the US and Taiwanese authorities seem them also. There are so many of those that the WHO is Kim Goguen? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen) thread could be swamped. :)

Returning to 'hopium' in general, I confess that while I always seek to moderate and balance my public stance on global matters, and always try to find ways of posting both good-news or fun stories, and lightweight but interesting developments of all kinds, privately I find myself increasingly holding a view of what seems to be the fairly likely near future that some might regard as dark and discouraging.

But if required, I could argue, I think maybe fairly persuasively, that there's a lot of evidence that we humans have serious problems right now, maybe more serious than we've ever encountered before.

I've shared several times over the years the analogy that being a mountaineer (as many know), I've many times found myself in quite serious situations. In those predicaments one has to face reality square-on and then take stock — as a result of which one's best equipped to make the optimum decisions. (And in the high mountains, that can really save lives.)

Crossing one's fingers and ignoring real-world factors like bad weather, imminent nightfall, shortage of food or water, poor show conditions, or danger of rockfall, isn't a good survival strategy. Facts are important. :)

My own evaluation of the real nature of the current human predicament is an ongoing personal project. It really is, and I think about, read, research, and make notes about it literally every day. There are many many, MANY indications that it's all going to get worse before it gets better, and I don't think there's any deus ex machina that's going to save the day — not Kim Goguen, or even the ETs. :)

I do think there's evidence that some ETs have been trying to warn us of what lies ahead, an in-depth topic in itself that deserves it own thread and is way beyond the scope of this one post. My own provisional view, in a condensed bulletpoint summary, is that the dangers are these:


The Limits to Growth and the increasing scarcity of all essential but limited natural resources. (See the thread The Limits to Growth, and the Human Condition (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120799-The-Limits-to-Growth-and-the-Human-Condition))



The escalation into a kinetic World War 3. (As best I can see, Russia and China would survive, North America and Europe maybe not.)



The ongoing destruction and poisoning of the environment, and the sixth great natural extinction, currently in progress.



The 'mind-virus' we see all around us (which I'm now sure is all too real, in the form of a contagious spiritual parasite).



Climate change (which is real, but nothing to do with 'global warming' or anything man-made). "It's the sun, stupid", and all this is documented and discussed with a great deal of hard information on onawah's Geomagnetic Reversals and Ice Ages (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages) thread, as well as others like Global Warming, Global Cooling or.. ?? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106598-Global-Warming-Global-Cooling-or..&highlight=warming) and "Climate Change" (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96561-Climate-Change--AKA-Global-Warming--...-is-it-a-scam&highlight=warming)



What I now think is a very real threat of some kind of 'Fire from the sky' incident, an eerie and disquieting common independent theme in MANY prophecies, visions and information reported in the threads The Third Secret of Fatima (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120874-The-Third-Secret-of-Fatima) and The Visions of Father Oliveira (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121036-The-Visions-of-Father-Oliveira). as well as Ed Dames - The Killshot and Remote Viewing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55345-Ed-Dames-The-Killshot-and-Remote-Viewing&highlight=killshot), and sporadic information from many ET contactees and abductees, besides warnings from competent geologists like Dr Robert Schoch (see this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1536072&viewfull=1#post1536072)). A few Avalon members, too, have had their own extraordinary paranormal experiences that seem to corroborate this fully.

:flower:

[RunningDeer]

Gwin Ru (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?33862-Gwin-Ru), who I like, respect, count as a close friend, and have known for many years, posted his response here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1548399&viewfull=1#post1548399), but in my view that can't possibly hold water. I've not taken issue with it as I don't want to get into a public (or even a private!) fight with Gwin, and so my stance is to let it all run and eventually readers will come to their own conclusions. I feel no personal need to try to force the issue. It seems harmless to me, unlike a Corey Goode situation where real-world harm was being done to some people.
Much appreciation and thanks, Bill. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/comes-in-hug.gif

With heart,
Paula ♡

[onawah]

Thanks for your responses, Bill.
As far as preposterous claims from Goguen go, aside from the one about the dematerialization of the Chinese Navy, there is the one where she has declared herself as "Intermin Head of State" of the entire planet. See:
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...She also has claimed that, as such, she is (or will be) in charge of enormous global funds, and that funds will be forthcoming to the people (far beyond what NESARA ever promised, I think).
...Even though she charges her followers for her regular online updates currently, and has been known to sell Tshirts and such on her site.
Another such ridiculous claim is that she has the exact same mitochondria as the "original Eve"--which of course would entitle her to a claim of rulership similar to that of "royalty", only on a much larger scale.
But there is no lack of ridiculous lies she has told, though her style may be presentable and persuasive, her claims are so full of nonsense it's beyond belief to me that anyone has ever fallen for her (particulary Avalonians!), but sadly, many have and many will continue to until she is stopped.

Aside from the sheer ludicrousness of the claims, which are an embarrassment to me (and will be to other members as well, I'm sure, once they know more) that any space is given to her at all on this forum (other than to be debunked), is the grave harm she has done over the years to many people who have invested in her bogus schemes and of course, received nothing in return, and lost so much that they went into bankruptcy.
And not the kind of people who can afford that kind of mistake.
IMHO, that alone is reason enough to disallow space being given here to her fraudulent claims.
The Team Bubba youtube channel has chronicled such cases of financial victims of Goguen's scams, and I will ask them to point out which podcasts in particular feature more information about that.
Because no one can accurately reach their own conclusions unless they have enough facts to base them on.
But I've only just gotten started on posting those behind the scenes events which prove that her hopium is anything but harmless.
So although it may seem harmless now just to be posting her newsy updates on the forum, I have no doubt she is cooking up another huge scam behind the scenes that will cost her followers a lot more than their subscriptions to her updates, if what she has done in the past is any indication.
And I sincerely doubt that she has reformed one iota since then.
So I hope more members will be watching this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen
(And will keep in mind that the TEAM BUBBA podcasts are being created primarly, without a lot of resources, by working class men with families to support, so they may not be as seemingly sophisticated and "presentable" as those from Goguen and her cohorts, but they are certainly truthful and sincere.
(Isn't it amazing how a lot of stolen money can make one seem more "persuasive and presentable"...)
And thanks for paying attention to this issue!




I've stated elsewhere that as best I know, I have the view that Kim Goguen is a very presentable and persuasive fraud. I'm pretty certain of that. I'd not bet my entire life on it, but I'd place as much as $1000 on the table, and maybe more. :) (To me, that's a lot!! :ROFL: )

There seem to me to be so many anomalies and contradictions that the issue is definitely muddied — at least. Just one of those problems, which (it seems to me!) is so preposterous that we really do need to stay reminded about it, is Kim G's claim that the Chinese Navy was 'dematerialized' sometime last year (or maybe it was the year before).

So — I've simply refrained from posting current photos and videos of Chinese naval vessels each time I see them, which is soon after the US and Taiwanese authorities seem them also. There are so many of those that the WHO is Kim Goguen? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen) thread could be swamped. :)

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[happyuk]

I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering what your take is on the recent scandal involving the Dalai Lama, Bill. See starting here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29736-Dalai-Lama-is-personification-of-evil&p=1552796#post1552796
Thank you.That's a great question. I stopped paying attention to the [current] Dalai Lama a little while ago, when it started to seem as if he was being infected himself with the current 'mind virus'.

Like the Pope, there's a great deal he could be stating clearly and publicly if he truly were a strong and principled moral and ethical religious leader. I do think he was once, but maybe not any more. (And, as a part of the human condition that can affect us all, he's 87 now, almost the same as Pope Francis, and his age may have something to do with it as well. :flower:)



Agreed. And here is this (alleged) CIA asset making himself a propagandist by telling everyone to take this injection for "greater benefit".

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Maybe the Chinese told everybody the truth about the current Dalai Llama for years but westerners refused to listen? For me this nullifies any good work he might have previously done.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Off topic, sorry...

wrt to the Dalai Llama and the general issues raised: Especially since 2020, these have been testing times, in multiple ways; with purposive-evil probing for our personal weaknesses and vulnerabilities. And not many have come through without significant failures in some area or another.

Such is life, we All (without exception) fail significantly, sooner or later.

But (from my Christian perspective) this is to be expected (life is about spiritual learning, not attaining perfection); and what really matters is not avoiding all possible failures, but whether we honestly identify and repent our failures. Only by this may we retain our orientation for the side of Good.

What most concerns me (appalls me!) is how very few religious leaders, and (apparently) zero major church institutions, have repented their colossal failures wrt the covid-excused sustained church shut-downs (when churches were most needed), and then with the vax-scam. Or BLM, or climate emergency, or the Ukraine war, or the transagenda - or any of the other major globalist-totalitarian strategies of corruption.

Such failure to repent means that we must assume that those who made wrong initial choices, have subsequently chosen to stay on the side of evil.

Now, back to the main topic, with apologies!...

[wondering]

Bruce G Charlton, wrt your assessment of "religious" leaders since the covid onset: well said and very telling, imo. I think that the "remnant" of spiritual leaders who see things in a very different light must feel discouraged, but then these are also the ones who have the ability and insight to view this plane for what it is, in terms of learning and advancement. Also sorry to veer from the main topic...

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for your responses, Bill.
As far as preposterous claims from Goguen go, aside from the one about the dematerialization of the Chinese Navy, there is the one where she has declared herself as "Interim Head of State" of the entire planet. See:
My view about claims like this is while they're almost impossible to disprove (rather like Derek Johnson and others presenting evidence that Trump is still the real US Commander-in-Chief), one has to look for visible corroborations in the real world.

If Trump really were the behind-the-scenes commander of (say) the US military, this seems to me to be inconsistent with senior military officers now beating the war drums against China (a crazy idea that Trump would never support), let alone the continuing military support being given to Ukraine. And let's not even talk about the Nord Stream sabotage, or even the Mexican border debacle.

Trump would never support any of those stances or actions, and yet (if he really does have more power and influence than the public is aware of), he seems to be doing nothing about any of them. So I feel compelled to pay attention to what seem to be reliably reported political and geopolitical developments, none of them good or in the US's true interests.

That was a little long (and wasn't part of onawah's question!), but readers may get the point. Exactly the same seems to apply regarding Kim Goguen.

If she's really the "Interim Head of State" of the entire planet, I see no evidence that she's doing a single effective thing to change or mitigate any of the serious real-world situations we see escalating all around us.

[onawah]

However, in Trump's case, he was actually elected POTUS whereas Goguen has nothing whatsoever in her background that would qualify her for anything much at all, and is a complete unknown except for her scams.
And Kim Goguen is probably not even her real name.
As for her claim about her being a mitochondrial match for the original Eve, what sort of scientific basis could possibly support such a ridiculous claim?
But that list of absurdities just goes on and on....



Thanks for your responses, Bill.
As far as preposterous claims from Goguen go, aside from the one about the dematerialization of the Chinese Navy, there is the one where she has declared herself as "Interim Head of State" of the entire planet. See:
My view about claims like this is while they're almost impossible to disprove (rather like Derek Johnson and others presenting evidence that Trump is still the real US Commander-in-Chief), one has to look for visible corroborations in the real world.

If Trump really were the behind-the-scenes commander of (say) the US military, this seems to me to be inconsistent with senior military officers now beating the war drums against China (a crazy idea that Trump would never support), let alone the continuing military support being given to Ukraine. And let's not even talk about the Nord Stream sabotage, or even the Mexican border debacle.

Trump would never support any of those stances or actions, and yet (if he really does have more power and influence than the public is aware of), he seems to be doing nothing about any of them. So I feel compelled to pay attention to what seem to be reliably reported political and geopolitical developments, none of them good or in the US's true interests.

That was a little long (and wasn't part of onawah's question!), but readers may get the point. Exactly the same seems to apply regarding Kim Goguen.

If she's really the "Interim Head of State" of the entire planet, I see no evidence that she's doing a single effective thing to change or mitigate any of the serious real-world situations we see escalating all around us.

[Jamie]

"I have very clear memories of having been a Tibetan Lama for about 1000 years, ending in 1850 when I consciously decided to be reincarnated in the west."

"I have distinct memories of living in what later became mythologized as "Shambala". This was a totally real place currently called Shang-Shung "

I was there for four lifetimes, in the AD 820-975 period. It was a beautiful, idyllic community of peace, study, meditation and learning. :heart:

I know from past posts by yourself over the years, you have said you have remembrance of some of your past lives, but I'm not aware of having read any details about them.
Given how fascinating what you've mentioned in the above post is, are there any threads on PA where you talk about your past lives?

[Bill Ryan]

I know from past posts by yourself over the years, you have said you have remembrance of some of your past lives, but I'm not aware of having read any details about them.
Given how fascinating what you've mentioned in the above post, are there any threads on PA where you talk about your past lives?Here's part of my post #715 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1270470&viewfull=1#post1270470), on this thread a couple of years ago:

~~~


Dear Bill: I have wanted to ask you whether you would share your memory of your other lives with (me) us. If you have done so already and it is in the Archive, would you tell me where to find it? With these memories and your level headed mind, what do you think is really going on? Are we being taken for a ride or are those memories a reality we can trust?

I think there are a couple of axioms here which are important.


Don't believe (or necessarily believe) anything that anyone tells you. That includes 'readers' who might do this 'professionally'. It has to come from within yourself.
If there's emotion associated with the apparent memory, or flashes of memory, then that's often in indicator of reality.

***

I've written now and then about my own past lives, but they're all in different places. I've never actually listed them out. And of course, that list is very incomplete. But I no longer have all that much attention or curiosity about the gaps.

Here's a brief summary, the most recent at the top. Some of the dates are approximate.


1925—1953: An architect's assistant in Hamilton, Ontario. I was abducted in Sept 1948 (a significant event), and I've written about that here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1264041&viewfull=1#post1264041).
1902—1024: Andrew 'Sandy' Irvine, the second person to climb Everest. (A few feet behind the great George Mallory. See here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88271-Bill-s-1924-Everest-expedition-photograph&p=1039294&viewfull=1#post1039294).)
1850—c.1900: Reincarnated in the west for the first time. A catastrophic failure of a life. (OMG!) See here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16854-Tell-Your-Reincarnation-Story-Here&p=181225&viewfull=1#post181225).
820—1850: A successive reincarnating lineage of Tibetan Lamas. (The first three lifetimes, c.820—c.975, were in Shang-Shung, an idyllic center of teaching in south-west Tibet, which was later mythologized as 'Shambhala'. See here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62272-Describe-Utopia.-YOUR-own-vision-your-own-version-of-utopia&p=715916&viewfull=1#post715916).
~~ 734—820: no recall
c.650—734: Jasaw Chan K'awiil I (in Tikal). See this Wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasaw_Chan_K%27awiil_I).
~~ 253—c.650: no recall
184—253: Origen of Alexandria. See this Wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen).
~~ c.50—184: no recall
c.0 — c.50: A large, affable, bearded, Jewish priest, with large hands and who always wore brown, who lived in Narbonne and took good care of Mary Magdalene when she and her two children landed there in the South of France. Not a historical figure, and I don't know his name.

Before that (on this planet!), I have much less info. When I was watching the movie Troy, one brief scene there triggered vivid memories of my watching grief-stricken and helpless as the Great Library of Alexandria burned. But I have no recall of anything else in that life, nor who I was.

I do suspect I know something about the great catastrophe of 12,800 years ago, but I may have been watching from afar, not directly involved. I don't know.

Prior to that, I have many memories of events and situations on other planets, going back some 60+ million years.

[onawah]

I'm afraid you are wrong about the pro-Goguen thread being harmless, Bill.
It is very much like a Corey Goode situation where real-world harm is being done to people, and that has been going on for years.
People have been donating to Goguen's non-existing projects, buying bogus insurance, and other scams for years now according to Team Bubba (such as Randy Maugans and Shane Bales) and others of less renown.
Some reportedly donated their stimulus checks, so that tells you a bit about how little they had to start with, and as Team Bubba has reported consistently, some have gone bankrupt as a result.
It won't take much time to peruse the Who is Kim Goguen thread or the Team Bubba youtube page to see that is the case, quite clearly.
And I have asked Team Bubba to please post more accounts of such cases, or direct me to the older ones they've already posted, which I'm sure they will do, and I will post them on the Who is Kim Goguen thread ongoing.
Unfortunately, the victims are not the kind of people to be able to afford lawyers or investigators to prove what harm has been done.
But the evidence continues to accumulate.
Unless the only evidence you really consider to be conclusive is to see her fined or behind bars, though even Goode isn't behind bars yet.
But I think discernment plays a part in knowing the truth from the false, and that a lot of us here on the forum have honed our discernment quite well.
You might want to start here with the report about how Goguen saved us all from COVID and work forward:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1558250&viewfull=1#post1558250



Gwin Ru[/URL], who I like, respect, count as a close friend, and have known for many years, posted his response here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1548399&viewfull=1#post1548399), but in my view that can't possibly hold water. I've not taken issue with it as I don;t want to get into a public (or even a private!) fight with Gwin, and so my stance is to let it all run and eventually readers will come to their own conclusions. I feel no personal need to try to force the issue. It seems harmless to me, unlike a Corey Goode situation where real-world harm was being done to some people.

[onawah]

Hi again, Bill. You posted this in 2016 about Dr. Steven Greer:
"Greer has stated on record the following. All of the statements are false.
'There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
There are no ET abductions.
The US government has no current communication with any ET race.'
For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable."
That was posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90645-Important-announcement-from-Dr.-Steven-Greer...&p=1068017&viewfull=1#post1068017

Greer has announced a new upcoming Disclosure Project Press Conference in D.C. and was just interviewed here talking about ETs, UFOs, Zero Point technology and more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ja4jEhBXWo

(Also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121178-New-Disclosure-Conference-in-D.C.-Natl-Press-Conference-Steven-Greer&p=1558458&viewfull=1#post1558458)

Greer also announced a new film coming soon. Trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xI-DPLdWI

I had my doubts about Greer too, but he drifted off my radar, so I don't really have an opinion these days.
But this new project looks good, on the surface at least.
My question is, where do you stand on his legitimacy now, and how does this new Disclosure Project strike you?
Do you have any behind the scenes info about it?
Thanks again.

[Bill Ryan]

I had my doubts about Greer too, but he drifted off my radar, so I don't really have an opinion these days.
But this new project looks good, on the surface at least.
My question is, where do you stand on his legitimacy now, and how does this new Disclosure Project strike you?
Do you have any behind the scenes info about it?
No behind-the-scenes info. But your question about Steven Greer is a very good one. I was severely critical of him a few years ago, and Avalon threads about Greer are easy to find.

There was extremely good reason for that. But then as I continued to listen to him more recently I strongly sensed that something had changed significantly for the better. It was like something that had infected him (or maybe even taken him over in some way) had left, or had somehow been lifted or removed. I know for sure I wasn't wrong about him earlier, and I don't know how or why the change happened. That's really all I can say.

:flower:

[7alon]

I had my doubts about Greer too, but he drifted off my radar, so I don't really have an opinion these days.
But this new project looks good, on the surface at least.
My question is, where do you stand on his legitimacy now, and how does this new Disclosure Project strike you?
Do you have any behind the scenes info about it?
No behind-the-scenes info. But your question about Steven Greer is a very good one. I was severely critical of him a few years ago, and Avalon threads about Greer are easy to find.

There was extremely good reason for that. But then as I continued to listen to him more recently I strongly sensed that something had changed significantly for the better. It was like something that had infected him (or maybe even taken him over in some way) had left, or had somehow been lifted or removed. I know for sure I wasn't wrong about him earlier, and I don't know how or why the change happened. That's really all I can say.

:flower:

Strange you say that, I feel that way about Billy Carson, and I REALLY don't/didn't like him. The community 'hounds' are even getting together to 'expose' him the last 6 months. Yet.. a series of videos he has recently presented were actually 100% accurate for once. How very strange indeed. I sense a change also.

Reminds me of a similar thing going on with Kanye West. By the way, the explosions I saw did happen finally. One in Ukraine (Uranium) and one in Palestine (small mushroom cloud explosion the the size of an office building). The Palestine video I can't find anymore, I wish I saved it, because I never told anybody I had always seen a small explosion and a big one.. it confused me and I thought it was one event.

Sorry to stray off topic in the second paragraph there, but I needed to get that last part out.

To direct back to the thread topic, I would like to know what you think of what I have just said in both paragraphs? That is my question. :bigsmile:

[charlesfrith]

I did see this the first time and thought how synchronous, but now I'm here the second time, I should share my chats with Microsoft Aye who is on very good form here but still, telling me about the book I'm reading.50947

[charlesfrith]

If he's rid himself of whatever implausible logic is needed to flog space-rapture-brothers & global climate fluctuation, that's not only good for Gee... that's good for everyone right? Win Win

[onawah]

Bill, I hope you will explain your comment about thinking Goguen and her cohorts' scams are harmless, and why you don't believe they are causing real-world harm to people.
I can only conclude that you really haven't looked into it deeply enough, because if you had, I think your conclusion would be just the opposite.
It wouldn't take that much of your time to get an idea of how much money has been swindled over the years and how many people have been hurt, just by perusing some of the videos posted on the Who is Kim Goguen thread.
(And I think you probably have enough contacts in the alternative community to ask around among those who would know.)
Even though it is a Piscean trait to try to be accommodating and tolerant, you don't usually hesitate to call out shady practices and frauds.
Perhaps your friendship with Gwin and your disinclination to engage in a dispute is affecting your judgement, because this neutral stance doesn't seem characteristic.

I hope that Project Avalon's reputation as a credible forum for truth-seekers is at least as important to you, and that you will help ensure this forum will continue to be a venue where scammers get exposed and the innocent are protected.
There is so much crime being committed on so many levels now all over the world, and it's when good people remain silent that it continues to flourish.
I think Project Avalon should be better than that.
Thanks for your attention to this matter, which I think is worthy of more concern, not only yours, but other Avalonians as well.


Busting a billion dollar British scammer cartel | 7NEWS Spotlight Documentary
7NEWS Spotlight
710K subscribers
121,736 views May 16, 2023

(This expose is a great example of how long a skillful ring of scammers can operate, how they can steal huge amounts of money from victims (even intelligent people), and how officials may turn a blind eye, allowing the scams to go on and on.
It demonstrates clearly how a group of scammers such as Goguen and her ring can appear to be authentic and run scam after scam for years without being caught.
Which of course, makes it harder for victims to ever see through what is really going on, and feel all the more humiliated and embarrassed when they finally realize they've been victimized, and so are hesitant to speak out.
I hope this case is just the beginning of a trend exposing such scams globally!)


(The full article and the youtube video are posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1558618&viewfull=1#post1558618 )


I'm afraid you are wrong about the pro-Goguen thread being harmless, Bill.
It is very much like a Corey Goode situation where real-world harm is being done to people, and that has been going on for years.
People have been donating to Goguen's non-existing projects, buying bogus insurance, and other scams for years now according to Team Bubba (such as Randy Maugans and Shane Bales) and others of less renown.
Some reportedly donated their stimulus checks, so that tells you a bit about how little they had to start with, and as Team Bubba has reported consistently, some have gone bankrupt as a result.
It won't take much time to peruse the Who is Kim Goguen thread or the Team Bubba youtube page to see that is the case, quite clearly.
And I have asked Team Bubba to please post more accounts of such cases, or direct me to the older ones they've already posted, which I'm sure they will do, and I will post them on the Who is Kim Goguen thread ongoing.
Unfortunately, the victims are not the kind of people to be able to afford lawyers or investigators to prove what harm has been done.
But the evidence continues to accumulate.
Unless the only evidence you really consider to be conclusive is to see her fined or behind bars, though even Goode isn't behind bars yet.
But I think discernment plays a part in knowing the truth from the false, and that a lot of us here on the forum have honed our discernment quite well.
You might want to start here with the report about how Goguen saved us all from COVID and work forward:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1558250&viewfull=1#post1558250



Gwin Ru[/URL], who I like, respect, count as a close friend, and have known for many years, posted his response here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1548399&viewfull=1#post1548399), but in my view that can't possibly hold water. I've not taken issue with it as I don;t want to get into a public (or even a private!) fight with Gwin, and so my stance is to let it all run and eventually readers will come to their own conclusions. I feel no personal need to try to force the issue. It seems harmless to me, unlike a Corey Goode situation where real-world harm was being done to some people.

[dan33]

BILL: "That's a great question as well — and I simply don't. (For others reading this, maybe newer members: I have very clear memories of having been a Tibetan Lama for about 1000 years, ending in 1850 when I consciously decided to be reincarnated in the west.)"


FICTION: "...and MARA was my CAT for 1000 years." :) MARA chose to be born as a DOG to stay with BILL in the present.


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=50955&thumb=1&d=1684845748


BILL: "Before that (on this planet!), I have much less info. When I was watching the movie Troy, one brief scene there triggered vivid memories of my watching grief-stricken and helpless as the Great Library of Alexandria burned. But I have no recall of anything else in that life, nor who I was."

XVSTwtmYXIw


HUGS!

[RunningDeer]

BILL: "Before that (on this planet!), I have much less info. When I was watching the movie Troy, one brief scene there triggered vivid memories of my watching grief-stricken and helpless as the Great Library of Alexandria burned. But I have no recall of anything else in that life, nor who I was."


XVSTwtmYXIw


HUGS!

Nice to see you Dan. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/wave-hi.gif
Here’s an English version.

Agora (2009) Trailer



A historical drama set in Roman Egypt, concerning a slave who turns to the rising tide of Christianity in the hope of pursuing freedom while falling in love with his mistress, the philosophy and mathematics professor Hypatia of Alexandria. (7.1 rating (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1186830/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1))


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[Dumpster Diver]

Bill, I hope you will explain your comment about thinking Goguen and her cohorts' scams are harmless, and why you don't believe they are causing real-world harm to people.
I can only conclude that you really haven't looked into it deeply enough, because if you had, I think your conclusion would be just the opposite.
It wouldn't take that much of your time to get an idea of how much money has been swindled over the years and how many people have been hurt, just by perusing some of the videos posted on the Who is Kim Goguen thread.
(And I think you probably have enough contacts in the alternative community to ask around among those who would know.)
Even though it is a Piscean trait to try to be accommodating and tolerant, you don't usually hesitate to call out shady practices and frauds.
Perhaps your friendship with Gwin and your disinclination to engage in a dispute is affecting your judgement, because this neutral stance doesn't seem characteristic.

I hope that Project Avalon's reputation as a credible forum for truth-seekers is at least as important to you, and that you will help ensure this forum will continue to be a venue where scammers get exposed and the innocent are protected.
There is so much crime being committed on so many levels now all over the world, and it's when good people remain silent that it continues to flourish.
I think Project Avalon should be better than that.
Thanks for your attention to this matter, which I think is worthy of more concern, not only yours, but other Avalonians as well.


Busting a billion dollar British scammer cartel | 7NEWS Spotlight Documentary
7NEWS Spotlight
710K subscribers
121,736 views May 16, 2023

(This expose is a great example of how long a skillful ring of scammers can operate, how they can steal huge amounts of money from victims (even intelligent people), and how officials may turn a blind eye, allowing the scams to go on and on.
It demonstrates clearly how a group of scammers such as Goguen and her ring can appear to be authentic and run scam after scam for years without being caught.
Which of course, makes it harder for victims to ever see through what is really going on, and feel all the more humiliated and embarrassed when they finally realize they've been victimized, and so are hesitant to speak out.
I hope this case is just the beginning of a trend exposing such scams globally!)


(The full article and the youtube video are posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1558618&viewfull=1#post1558618 )


I'm afraid you are wrong about the pro-Goguen thread being harmless, Bill.
It is very much like a Corey Goode situation where real-world harm is being done to people, and that has been going on for years.
People have been donating to Goguen's non-existing projects, buying bogus insurance, and other scams for years now according to Team Bubba (such as Randy Maugans and Shane Bales) and others of less renown.
Some reportedly donated their stimulus checks, so that tells you a bit about how little they had to start with, and as Team Bubba has reported consistently, some have gone bankrupt as a result.
It won't take much time to peruse the Who is Kim Goguen thread or the Team Bubba youtube page to see that is the case, quite clearly.
And I have asked Team Bubba to please post more accounts of such cases, or direct me to the older ones they've already posted, which I'm sure they will do, and I will post them on the Who is Kim Goguen thread ongoing.
Unfortunately, the victims are not the kind of people to be able to afford lawyers or investigators to prove what harm has been done.
But the evidence continues to accumulate.
Unless the only evidence you really consider to be conclusive is to see her fined or behind bars, though even Goode isn't behind bars yet.
But I think discernment plays a part in knowing the truth from the false, and that a lot of us here on the forum have honed our discernment quite well.
You might want to start here with the report about how Goguen saved us all from COVID and work forward:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1558250&viewfull=1#post1558250



Gwin Ru[/URL], who I like, respect, count as a close friend, and have known for many years, posted his response here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1548399&viewfull=1#post1548399), but in my view that can't possibly hold water. I've not taken issue with it as I don;t want to get into a public (or even a private!) fight with Gwin, and so my stance is to let it all run and eventually readers will come to their own conclusions. I feel no personal need to try to force the issue. It seems harmless to me, unlike a Corey Goode situation where real-world harm was being done to some people.



One of the big reasons I frequent this site is I feel it tends to cover a large portion of what I call the “alternate world”. If Goguen, or anybody else, is not covered, it’ll amount to a modern day “book burning” in my eyes. So Bill, do not heed this advice.

As for me, I see Goguen much like Schrödinger’s cat: ~70% real thing” ~20% puppet of the deep state, 10% something else. Her large positive % lies in the fact that she aligns with quite a number of my predictions. Unfortunately, like David Wilcock and a number of other alt world figures, her positive figures are lately falling.

[onawah]

One of the reasons I frequent this site is that it has a history of exposing scam artists like David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Simon Parkes, and Goguen numbers among them.
My objections to her have little to do with the news compilations and predictions she is currently broadcasting, but her history of scamming people for lots of money in fraudulent schemes, and her ridiculous claims that she is the "Interim Head of State", that she saved the world from COVID, and that she is a match for the "mitochondrial Eve". That list goes on and on and is an insult to intelligence.
Presenting her as a credible source does the followers of that thread a disservice, and tarnishes the reputation of Project Avalon.



One of the big reasons I frequent this site is I feel it tends to cover a large portion of what I call the “alternate world”. If Goguen, or anybody else, is not covered, it’ll amount to a modern day “book burning” in my eyes. So Bill, do not heed this advice.

As for me, I see Goguen much like Schrödinger’s cat: ~70% real thing” ~20% puppet of the deep state, 10% something else. Her large positive % lies in the fact that she aligns with quite a number of my predictions. Unfortunately, like David Wilcock and a number of other alt world figures, her positive figures are lately falling.

[Tintin]

Not so much a question for you, but perhaps something that can be digested when there's time - I do know that's at a premium for you most days :)

The Negation of the Real | James Lindsay: The Secret Religions of the West, Session 1 of 3.

YouTube source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk_w2-8snWk


Description here:


If you want to impose a totalitarian system, you have a problem on your hands: reality. The real is in your way and will eventually veto your project. Far sooner, people who can perceive reality will step in and prevent you from taking society over a cliff. Therefore, the only way to install a totalitarian system is to negate the real in the minds of those over whom you would rule. This is accomplished by creating an interpretive frame that deliberately causes people to misunderstand reality, sometimes called a "second reality" or "pseudoreality," or even a "hyperreality," which loses all contact with reality through its images and constructions. The totalitarian system "works" and would only work in that false image of reality. In his first talk at the Mere Simulacrity conference in Phoenix, Arizona, in December 2022, James Lindsay presents the idea and mechanism of negating the real to replace it with a hyperreal simulation in which totalitarianism can be accomplished. This, he argues, enables the installation of the Esoteric cult religion needed to advance the tyranny. Join him to understand how the Secret Religions of the West have slowly brought us to the brink of this disaster.

-------

So, actually, after all, there is a question: what compelled you to reincarnate in the 'west' from your previous multi-century Tibetan incarnations? Might it have been to perhaps alert people to that which James alludes to here? Do you recall?

Session 2: The Gnostic Parasite (https://newdiscourses.com/2023/04/gnostic-parasite/)
Session 3: As Below, So Above (https://newdiscourses.com/2023/05/as-below-so-above/)

(apologies if this has already been answered before)

[onawah]

I forgot to add another of Goguen's fantastical claims, which is that she singlehandedly beheaded Marduk, who she described as the giant Annunaki son of Annu, and her sibling.
As I recall, she said that took place at the US Capitol where she was having a meeting with the POTUS. More here about that: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1548419&viewfull=1#post1548419

Not just an "alternate world" she covers, Dumpster Diver, but one that she apparently makes up completely in her imagination, or maybe her various temporary cohorts assist with dreaming all those tall tales up.
(Kerry Cassidy said that Kim told her that DARPA are her handlers, btw.)
See the latest expose from Team Bubba where that imaginary encounter is listed, as well as many more of her absurd claims, such as that she has the highest security clearance on the planet, much higher than the POTUS, that she will soon be releasing a totally new health plan for everyone in the world, etc. etc.:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1559456&viewfull=1#post1559456

Needless to say, no proof of any of these claims has ever been offered, as how could there be?
For those not familiar with the Team Bubba detractors, they include clips and recordings of her in their videos, so it's not just hearsay evidence.
If anyone STILL believes that Goguen's claims are genuine, well...as P.T. Barnum once quipped, "there's a sucker born every minute...."
But since her B.S. has been presented here on Avalon, my concern is that some of those poor suckers are forum followers who are getting sucked in right here on Avalon.



One of the reasons I frequent this site is that it has a history of exposing scam artists like David Wilcock, Corey Goode & Simon Parkes... and Goguen numbers among those scam artists.
My objections to her have little to do with the news compilations and predictions she is currently broadcasting, but her history of scamming people for lots of money in fraudulent schemes, and her ridiculous claims such as that she is the "Interim Head of State", that she saved the world from COVID, and that she is a match for the "mitochondrial Eve". That list goes on and on and is an insult to intelligence.
Presenting her as a credible source does the followers of that thread a disservice, and tarnishes the reputation of Project Avalon.



One of the big reasons I frequent this site is I feel it tends to cover a large portion of what I call the “alternate world”. If Goguen, or anybody else, is not covered, it’ll amount to a modern day “book burning” in my eyes. So Bill, do not heed this advice.

As for me, I see Goguen much like Schrödinger’s cat: ~70% real thing” ~20% puppet of the deep state, 10% something else. Her large positive % lies in the fact that she aligns with quite a number of my predictions. Unfortunately, like David Wilcock and a number of other alt world figures, her positive figures are lately falling.

[NX.P]

Inspired by RD's recent chatgpt talk, I posed this dilema question to a few of my friends. The answers so far have been fun and thought provoking. Im curious about your take here:

"You are the leader of a major world power. You are approached in secret by representatives of a hitherto unknown civilization with advanced technological capabilities and a global presence. Up to this point they've maintained an observational stance and a non-interference approach, suggesting a nuanced understanding of humanity's development and deliberate choice to remain hidden. In exchange for access to some of their technological knowledge they've asked for permission to abduct a very small percentage of your population for genetic research. Covert intel suggests that similar offers have been made to your geopolitical adversaries as well."

"What do you do? (A) Accept the offer with (*or possibly without?*) the intent of strengthening diplomatic ties with the civilization? (B) Decline to offer, knowing that your military force wouldn't be able to prevent the civiliation from proceeding with their plans anyway."

[Bill Ryan]

Not so much a question for you, but perhaps something that can be digested when there's time - I do know that's at a premium for you most days :)

The Negation of the Real | James Lindsay: The Secret Religions of the West, Session 1 of 3.

YouTube source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk_w2-8snWk

Description here:

If you want to impose a totalitarian system, you have a problem on your hands: reality. The real is in your way and will eventually veto your project. Far sooner, people who can perceive reality will step in and prevent you from taking society over a cliff. Therefore, the only way to install a totalitarian system is to negate the real in the minds of those over whom you would rule. This is accomplished by creating an interpretive frame that deliberately causes people to misunderstand reality, sometimes called a "second reality" or "pseudoreality," or even a "hyperreality," which loses all contact with reality through its images and constructions. The totalitarian system "works" and would only work in that false image of reality. In his first talk at the Mere Simulacrity conference in Phoenix, Arizona, in December 2022, James Lindsay presents the idea and mechanism of negating the real to replace it with a hyperreal simulation in which totalitarianism can be accomplished. This, he argues, enables the installation of the Esoteric cult religion needed to advance the tyranny. Join him to understand how the Secret Religions of the West have slowly brought us to the brink of this disaster.-------

So, actually, after all, there is a question: what compelled you to reincarnate in the 'west' from your previous multi-century Tibetan incarnations? Might it have been to perhaps alert people to that which James alludes to here? Do you recall?

Session 2: The Gnostic Parasite (https://newdiscourses.com/2023/04/gnostic-parasite/)
Session 3: As Below, So Above (https://newdiscourses.com/2023/05/as-below-so-above/)

(apologies if this has already been answered before)
~~~

So, actually, after all, there is a question: what compelled you to reincarnate in the 'west' from your previous multi-century Tibetan incarnations? Might it have been to perhaps alert people to that which James alludes to here? Do you recall?

In a word, Yes — pretty much. :)

What I recall clearly is that in meditation, towards the end of my last life in Tibet prior to 1850 (when I was a fairly Senior Lama), I perceived a people way to the west, who had spiritually lost their way and were in great trouble, heading towards a bad future, and that this was actually very important for the whole world.

So I resolved to do my best to help, I believe (at that time) intending to be a teacher, as I always had been for many lifetimes.

Of course, I don't have that 'in words' (as it were), but that's my best representation of the clear sense that I got.

What I was never prepared for was how VERY tough it was to land in that 'alien' civilization. In my first lifetime (born in Leicestershire, England, later at Cambridge University) I crashed and burned, and that was a traumatic total disaster.

In my second lifetime I was Sandy Irvine, the Everest mountaineer — maybe partly because of a desire to return to Tibet, which of course Sandy did on the long trek through Tibet to Everest. (Sandy was reported as being exceptionally kind to all the people there whom he met.)

My third lifetime was as a young architect's assistant in Hamilton, Ontario, where (like Sandy) I never made it out of my early 20s.

So this time round — fourth time lucky :P — I finally made it as (a kind of!) teacher, doing what I could to combat the growing oppression through supporting people's spiritual and personal development and helping raise their understanding of a bunch of important truths that were largely being concealed from the citizens. That was pretty much exactly my goal back in the late 1840s when all this seemed to become clear to me.

:flower::heart: :flower:

[Bill Ryan]

Inspired by RD's recent chatgpt talk, I posed this dilema question to a few of my friends. The answers so far have been fun and thought provoking. Im curious about your take here:

"You are the leader of a major world power. You are approached in secret by representatives of a hitherto unknown civilization with advanced technological capabilities and a global presence. Up to this point they've maintained an observational stance and a non-interference approach, suggesting a nuanced understanding of humanity's development and deliberate choice to remain hidden. In exchange for access to some of their technological knowledge they've asked for permission to abduct a very small percentage of your population for genetic research. Covert intel suggests that similar offers have been made to your geopolitical adversaries as well."

"What do you do? (A) Accept the offer with (*or possibly without?*) the intent of strengthening diplomatic ties with the civilization? (B) Decline to offer, knowing that your military force wouldn't be able to prevent the civiliation from proceeding with their plans anyway."I'd definitely be interested in opening a discussion with the advanced civilization. But a lot more information would be needed. Their advanced technological knowledge might range from free energy and instant healing of all diseases and disabilities, to AI and/or unimaginably destructive weapons. Technology in itself is NOT always a good thing. :)

Regarding "abducting a very small percentage of the population for genetic research", I might agree to that if I had cast-iron assurances that no-one would ever be harmed physically, mentally, emotionally or spiritually in any way whatsoever. But I'd only consent to that if the technology offered I regarded as being truly beneficial to us all.

~~~

Of course, this is what ufology lore has maintained was similar to the exact same dilemma faced by Eisenhower back in 1954, where he made the wrong call and it didn't end well at all.

That's beyond the scope of this short reply, but (among many other researchers over the years) Linda Howe did a livestream about this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrTZdDmKCKc) in June 2022, with the video title: Did Eisenhower have a secret Edwards AFB meeting with ETs on February 19, 1954? (For that 18-minute report, start in at 5:30. It's an interesting overview.)

[Denise/Dizi]

Good Morning Bill...

I was just curious, many people ask you questions and stop once they get a yes or no.... I have been wanting to ask you about Solar Warden. I believe it absolutely exists, and I know that you do as well... And I am just curious if you ever intend to share what you have learned about the program, aside from the fact that it does indeed exist? Have you been given any details about the program that you are willing to share at this point?

I only ask as it seems as if there would be a large need for personnel in such a program, and if the information came out that it does exist, perhaps it would be easier to recruit for such a program... It seems to me the waves of contacts have slowed a bit, and abductions are not happening as often, which would indicate that the program is very useful...

I just wanted your thoughts on such things, if you wish to share anything?

[Bill Ryan]

Good Morning Bill...

I was just curious, many people ask you questions and stop once they get a yes or no.... I have been wanting to ask you about Solar Warden. I believe it absolutely exists, and I know that you do as well... And I am just curious if you ever intend to share what you have learned about the program, aside from the fact that it does indeed exist? Have you been given any details about the program that you are willing to share at this point?

I only ask as it seems as if there would be a large need for personnel in such a program, and if the information came out that it does exist, perhaps it would be easier to recruit for such a program... It seems to me the waves of contacts have slowed a bit, and abductions are not happening as often, which would indicate that the program is very useful...

I just wanted your thoughts on such things, if you wish to share anything?Denise, Hi there, and this is a major topic. :)

There's nothing I know that I've not shared in one place or another, but I absolutely understand that all this is sometimes hard to find.

Quite a lot is on this Avalon thread:


Solar Warden (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden)

But I'm delighted to summarize it all here. Most of this is barely known at all in the wider ufology community. Many assume that the 'Solar Warden' program name was revealed by Gary McKinnon ('the Pentagon hacker'), but that's NOT the case. It was first an anonymous post on a ufology website, confirmed by Henry Deacon in a most interesting and 'blind' way (more of that below), and then mentioned on the Camelot website, rather as an interesting tidbit if info. After that, somehow, it all went viral. It's something now that 'everyone knows'. :)

We start here, with this archived thread on the now-defunct Open Minds ufology forum:

https://projectavalon.net/Seinu_disclosure_thread.pdf

https://projectavalon.net/Seinu_disclosure_thread.pdf

That's 51 pages, worth plowing through in itself, but the very third paragraph of page 1 states:

~~~
All space programs are a cover that exists to deceive the people of this world. We have a space fleet, which is codenamed” Solar Warden.” There were, as of 2005, eight ships, an equivalent to aircraft carriers and forty-three “protectors,” which are space planes. One was lost recently to an accident in Mars' orbit while it was attempting to re-supply the multinational colony within Mars. This base was established in 1964 by American and Soviet teamwork. Not everything is, as it seems.
~~~

That was the very first mention of Solar Warden anywhere on the net. Of course, I'd never heard of it, and neither had anyone else.

So I asked Henry Deacon (Camelot witness, real name Arthur Neumann), who at that time I was in very close touch with.

I didn't front-load him at all. I merely sent this SMS to his cellphone. Nothing else.
Solar Warden?
The reply came immediately in three emails, each from a different address (he had a whole bunch of email accounts). This is exactly what each one said:


MARS
ALTERNATIVE
NOT LISTED HERE
https://navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/cv-list

The last URL (now a '404 Not Found') was a US Navy page listing all the carriers in the US ocean fleet.
(Interestingly, I dug it up successfully a few years ago on archive.org. But that link has now disappeared as well.)
This was super-significant. Henry had no idea that I'd already seen the name on the Open Minds forum thread. He could have just replied, "Huh??" :)

But he immediately went into full corroborating detail. What he was saying, of course, was that the Solar Warden fleet was not a regular Earth-based US Navy sea fleet. It was an 'Alternative' to that, and connected with or to Mars.

So then I posted the name on the Camelot blog, and then it spread from there.

~~~

There was some corroboration (of a kind) from Gordon Novel, as well. In a 17 Jan, 2010 Coast to Coast AM interview with George Knapp, he said:
Solar Warden's real, they have eight big starships, and I know where they are.He didn't say seven. He didn't say nine. He said EIGHT. :)|
|
I knew Gordon quite well then, but I'd never told him that that the original source (whoever it was) had written (see the PDF above)
There were, as of 2005, eight ships, an equivalent to aircraft carriers.
Do listen to this archived clip, just 2 mins 20 seconds and worth its weight in gold.

https://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3
(https://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3)
https://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3

I drew this diagram to show what a ship like this might look like. Something this large might carry about 2,000 people.

http://projectavalon.net/Utah_black_triangle_size_comparison.gif

One more closing component to this.

Many reading here may remember that Ben Rich, the former CEO of Lockheed Skunk Works, said the following on record:


"The Air Force has just given is a contract to take ET back home."
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)
c

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity."
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)
c
“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)
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Jim, we have things out in the desert that are 50 years beyond what you could possibly comprehend. If you have seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, we’ve been there done that, or decided it was not worth the effort.
(Source: direct comments by Ben Rich to Jim Goodall via telephone call at the USC medical center approximately one week before Ben passed away on January 5th 1995)

[Denise/Dizi]

Thank You Bill,

I had never seen the OM forum... So that was an interesting read. I read 3 books over the weekend with the title of "Solar Warden"... It looks as if it could have been pulled mostly from our community, with some help via a few military sources that gave the author proper lingo, terms, and phrases... The story had all the data most in the "et field" discuss as well, including habits when abductions occur...

I have been struggling to both find time, and resources more recently when looking into more information on the topic... So again Thank You! I was also wondering in you have decided if it is getting to be that time where you would be willing to share more of your own story? I know that you are concerned some will not believe it.... But I would. And I look fofward to the day you decide to share such things...

[Violet3]

Thanks Bill, I had not seen the OM forum either.
I was interested in the document's reference to "...the real issue of government control and a presence not of this world." Was there anything more about this alleged presence?

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks Bill, I had not seen the OM forum either.
I was interested in the document's reference to "...the real issue of government control and a presence not of this world." Was there anything more about this alleged presence?Thanks for the question! But I'm afraid I don't know anything more than what was in the PDF, a long archived Open Minds Forum thread. (Only a tiny few might remember that forum now, which closed something like 10 years ago. I'm not aware if any of it is accessible now.)

[Casey Claar]

https://consciousnessexplorationblog.files.wordpress.com/2023/06/screenshot-2023-06-01-at-6.05.50-pm.png
from page 6

Bill, are you the "Ryan fellow" being mentioned?

If yes, any comment?

[Bill Ryan]

https://consciousnessexplorationblog.files.wordpress.com/2023/06/screenshot-2023-06-01-at-6.05.50-pm.png
from page 6

Bill, are you the "Ryan fellow" being mentioned?

If yes, any comment?
Yes, made me laugh! Back then (2006) I was being called every name under the sun by quite a lot of people. :) But all I was doing was managing a website featuring all the released information. I was meticulously careful to report everything that was released without any edits, changes or additions.

It soon became clear that the Serpo releases were truth mixed with fiction, but it was important to archive it all anyway. The whole thing generated a huge stir at the time, and for months it was almost the only thing anyone in the ufology community was talking about.

I even spent quality time with Hal Puthoff and Kit Green (2 days and 1 day respectively) discussing it all, and also met with Rick Doty, who knew much of the inside story. Many people took it all very seriously, trying to decode it all to filter out the important (and very interesting) 'truth' component.

The problem was that because I was one of only two points of public contact (the other being a Los Angeles English teacher called Victor Martinez), and I was more accessible and visible than he was, most of the slings and arrows were cast in my direction. I soon learned to ignore all the silly comments and accusations. :)

For quite a bit more, there's this Avalon thread:


Project Serpo (aka Project Crystal Knight): the whole story (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16571-Project-Serpo--aka-Project-Crystal-Knight--the-whole-story)

[Helvetic]

Thanks for the question! But I'm afraid I don't know anything more than what was in the PDF, a long archived Open Minds Forum thread. (Only a tiny few might remember that forum now, which closed something like 10 years ago. I'm not aware if any of it is accessible now.)

Openminds Forum Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120107201119/http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/forum

[DNA]

Good Morning Bill...

I was just curious, many people ask you questions and stop once they get a yes or no.... I have been wanting to ask you about Solar Warden. I believe it absolutely exists, and I know that you do as well... And I am just curious if you ever intend to share what you have learned about the program, aside from the fact that it does indeed exist? Have you been given any details about the program that you are willing to share at this point?

I only ask as it seems as if there would be a large need for personnel in such a program, and if the information came out that it does exist, perhaps it would be easier to recruit for such a program... It seems to me the waves of contacts have slowed a bit, and abductions are not happening as often, which would indicate that the program is very useful...

I just wanted your thoughts on such things, if you wish to share anything?

I as well think something like this exists.
Especially considering the Garry McKinnon interview you guys did.

I want to piggy back on Denise's question.

What responsibility does this solar warden outfit play in global politics?
Who owns and or controls it?
Has it possibly become self governed?
Is solar warden beholden to any world government,, shadow or legitimate?
Would Solar Warden participate in a potential world war 3 scenario and if so for who?
For all the USA has done in initiating, funding and constructing solar warden I get the feeling there is no sense of country and or of being controlled in so far as solar warden is concerned.

Good day.

[mountain_jim]

I would suspect the Solar Warden tagged Secret Space Program is part of Dolan's coined phrase 'Breakaway Civilization' (https://www.amazon.com/Program-Breakaway-Civilization-Richard-Lecture/dp/1537132555). Searching for those terms, I see that Peter Fuller created a solar-warden.com website to write about that idea/association and related ideas/info and associated with his(?) movie which appears to propose Solar Warden is defending the planet against alien incursion. Or so my quick 5 minute (thorough :) ) research indicates.

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https://www.solar-warden.com/post/the-breakaway-civilization



Peter Fuller
Aug 8, 2020
5 min read

THE BREAKAWAY CIVILIZATION

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Okay, I know I’ve been promising this for a while, so now here it is.


UFO researcher Richard Dolan coined the phrase, “Breakaway Civilization” in his book, “UFOs & the National Security State: The Cover-up Exposed – 1973-1991.” Here is how he presented his original proposal, “If we … consider the possibility of covert breakthroughs in propulsion technology, and the “off the grid” nature of the deep-black world itself, we come to the possibility that we are dealing with, in effect, a “breakaway civilization.” One with loose connections at various points to the open civilizations of humanity, but with great independence, secrecy, and a monopoly of certain key scientific secrets. The history of the Cold War showed that separate infrastructures could, to some extent, evolve. Western politics, economy, science, and culture developed along paths that were different from those in the Soviet Union or China. Important breakthroughs occurred in secret – stealth being a prominent example. Granted, the level of separation implied for a breakaway civilization would be vastly greater than any Cold War examples. In principle, however, such a development is possible, and responsible research must consider the strength of supporting evidence and clues.”

In my opinion, this is not a new concept. One of the earliest examples of a breakaway civilization has to be the lost continent of Atlantis. Plato wrote that Atlantis was an advanced civilization that existed in the distant past (some 9,000 years before his time) that possessed technology far in advance of the rest of the world. Whether Atlantis actually existed is the topic of debate even today, but at least the idea of a breakaway civilization existed as far back as 360 B.C.

Then there is the medieval Kingdom of Magonia. According to Bishop Abogard of Lyon (9th century), Magonia was a cloud realm where the inhabitants were said to travel through the sky in airships – a technology that wouldn’t be developed by ground dwellers for another 1,000 years. The Bishop described them as humans like ourselves, and from time to time they would invite those living on the ground up to their cloud kingdom. Jacques Vallee mentions this breakaway civilization in his Book, “Passport to Magonia,” and compares it to the modern UFO abduction phenomena.

Another example would be Jules Verne’s novel, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Captain Nemo and his crew possessed technology – namely the submarine Nautilus – that was far ahead of the rest of the world. While Verne hadn’t envisioned torpedoes, his submarine was powered by electricity, a technology not yet fully developed in 1870, the year his novel was written – a full decade before Canadian inventors Woodward and Evans sold their patent for the incandescent light bulb to Thomas Edison.

There are other examples, but you get my point. Even though they are fictitious, these examples support the possibility of a breakaway civilization existing in our time. Dolan is one the foremost UFO researchers today, and his evidence strongly supports such a body. His evidence shows that as early as the 1940s, there was an effort by a clandestine group to develop technology such as anti-gravity propulsion, zero-point energy and much, much more. I try to keep my blogs fairly short, so I won’t go into all of the details here, but suffice it to say the evidence for this development of advanced technology is overwhelming. To sum it up, the late Ben Rich, former Head of Lockheed Skunkworks said, “We have things in the desert (Area 51) that are 50 years ahead of anything you can imagine. If you’ve seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, we’ve been there, done that, or decided it wasn’t worth the effort.”

On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld announced that the Pentagon couldn’t account for 2.3 trillion dollars (yes, trillion). The next day the twin towers and the pentagon were attacked, and Rumsfeld’s statement got lost in the news cycle as it focused on the tragedy of 911. Over the years, that sum would climb to an unprecedented amount when in December of 2017, Dr. Mark Skidmore would announce on USAWatchdog that a total of 21 trillion dollars was missing from the US Federal budget – ten times the amount mentioned by Rumsfeld in 2001. That’s a lot of zeros, folks!

So where did all that money go? The money was funneled into black budgets, those accounts that have no congressional oversight and who don’t have to report what they were spent on to anyone in the Pentagon, Congress, or the White House. Experts like Catherine Austin Fitts believe the money was spent on the secret space program, and by extension, the breakaway civilization, since it comprises a large part of that group.

But what exactly is this breakaway civilization? Yes, it runs the secret space program, but what does a breakaway civilization look like? In simple terms, it is a separately evolving, covert, technologically advanced community with trillions of dollars (21 to be exact) at its disposal that has been siphoned off of our host society. While much of the breakaway civilization is centered in the United States, it has also integrated itself into allied governments around the world. It is what President Eisenhower called the “Military-Industrial Complex” in his farewell speech before leaving office, warning that it was breaking away from constitutional controls. What makes it a “breakaway” civilization is the fact that it has developed advanced technology it refuses to share with the rest of humanity, and uses that technology to separate itself from us. It has been suggested that the separation will eventually become physical, as it will use that advanced technology to establish itself elsewhere in the solar system or the universe while those of us who are left behind destroy ourselves in a global conflict. Think, “Alternative Three.”

While there have been whistleblowers – many of them fake – it is virtually impossible to pierce their cloak of darkness. Their advanced technology ensures their covert existence remains just that.

So where does that leave you and me? Unless we have a skill they can exploit, it leaves us out of the loop. The late Ben Rich summed it up (once more) like this – “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity …”

There was a lot of talk in the early 1950s about anti-gravity propulsion, and everyone alive then expected that by the mid-1960s they would be travelling to and from work like George Jetson. Yet here it is 2020 – 55 years later – and we’re still driving gas-guzzlers, and SpaceX just launched a capsule into orbit with the same technology that the Gemini missions used in 1965, including the splashdown of a two-man capsule. As Ben Rich said, it appears that this breakaway civilization is not going to give up their secrets anytime soon.

It’s too bad. Just think what a better place the world would be for everyone if they did.



a reviewer's take on Dolan's The Secret Space Program and Breakaway Civilization (Richard Dolan Lecture Series) Paperback – August 16, 2016



If you haven't read anything about UFOs, the "breakaway civilization", and related secrecy and strangeness for a while, this small book (68 pages of main text) is a pretty good recap and catch-up. Dolan takes a little while to get up to speed, spending a considerable portion of the book on background and substantiation of government and intelligence agency awareness of, and secrecy and denial about, the UFO phenomenon, and the likelihood that recovered UFO/alien technology was what enabled the "breakaway", before getting into the meatier topics.

Dolan says "it appears that there are multiple space programs operating in a clandestine manner" but disappointingly, at least to me, he doesn't even speculate about what any of these various secret programs might be **doing**. Instead he focuses on their probable means of financing and security measures. He emphasizes that the breakaway "civilization", including its secret space ventures, is "not a situation in which things are on 'the up-and-up' and it is simply a case of a secret program that the public doesn't know about." It's a corrupt, criminal cartel by any and every legal and moral standard, and it almost sounds as if the 'secret system's' initiates fear the wrath of the people, if they ever learn the truth, even more than they fear the UFO phenomenon the breakaway complex was ostensibly created to face.

(This is not part of Dolan's speculations, but after reading "The Secret Space Program" I can almost envision a situation where 'disclosure' happens -- and to escape the backlash from humanity at large, the "breakaway" club capitulates to or goes over to the alien/UFO side...)

Dolan feels the UFO phenomenon is the "core" and the "gold mine" of the alternative paradigm, and suggests that secrecy/security for the breakaway-ers is the main force behind the drive to create a global totalitarian police state. That's where the "small window" comes in; it appears to me that the UFO phenomenon/breakaway culture is one facet of an even larger and stranger situation in which the breakaway "civilization" is allied with, or being manipulated by, a hidden elite that has been around and up to shady tricks for much longer than Earth's militaries, corporations, and intelligence agencies have concerned themselves with the modern UFO phenomenon. (I refer you to, for example, Joseph Farrell's books on the subject.) The UFO situation is a useful excuse or trigger point for something -- totalitarianism -- some people have had as a goal for a very long time.

Nevertheless, bearing in mind this book is a short summary and update, it's a worthwhile and provocative read. Plus, a mention here sent me to YouTube to the video clip of George Carlin's "It's a big club, and you ain't in it" (also known as "Who Really Controls America"), three minutes of uncomfortable truth that every American should listen to at least once a day...

[DNA]

I would suspect the Solar Warden tagged Secret Space Program is part of Dolan's coined phrase 'Breakaway Civilization' (https://www.amazon.com/Program-Breakaway-Civilization-Richard-Lecture/dp/1537132555). Searching for those terms, I see that Peter Fuller created a solar-warden.com website to write about that idea/association and related ideas/info and associated with his(?) movie which appears to propose Solar Warden is defending the planet against alien incursion. Or so my quick 5 minute (thorough :) ) research indicates.


I hear you.
So this breakaway civilization consists of a banking contingent ie the federal reserve, a production contingent ie Mcdonall Douglass, Dyncorp, Haliburton and a shadow government that knows what is going on and goes back and forth between the solar warden and the elected government.

What level of power on earth gets you a ticket into this program?

Is solar warden powerful? Do they truly exert power over our solar system and control incoming traffic. Or are they simply a pimply faced hall monitor yelling for you to stop in your school hallway with no real authority or power?

I suppose part of me was hoping this vestige of humanity would help. Help the human race as a whole. But it would appear they are just another assett to those in power on this planet.

[Denise/Dizi]

I read all 3 Solar Warden books mentioned above, and aside from the typical "Top Gun" vibe, where one Pilot or Driver, breaks rank and does the unexpected, with varying degrees of success, the typical love story, and some suggestive tidbits of how and where the program originated? I found the books to be entertaining...

The story follows the German line of the theory of how the space program originated...

I wish more would have conversations about THOSE topics, rather than whether this fleet exists at this point, as I believe if we begin to hit on some actual nerves about the program, or truths, perhaps some who are aware of such things would begin to try to debunk THOSE things, when they don't suit the narrative, and as such disclosure would of course, happen more quickly...

Just my opinions on the topic. Sorry to derail your thread Bill... But do you think if we start discussing craft, possible other issues and such could this be a better direction to force the hands of those wanting to keep a lid on the topic? So that they get their narrative laid out?

[korgh]

I think we are thinking like a media stream or in the same way as a social network. We have to be able to analyze what is real or plausible within the environment we live in.
Most of us didn't grow up with the internet. In my case, I learn from books, living among people, away from cell phones or television.
I can proudly say that I grew up creating my own toys and imagining what it would be like to live among the stars. I never looked at my feet but always where my eyes could see the farthest.
History repeats itself and we live in a loop. Let's review what has already been experienced and if perhaps there is something new, we have to learn to not make new "old" mistakes".
Cheers

[mizo]

Quoted from a different thread:

'I'm now going to close down for the evening and watch the new Indiana Jones movie. I'm told it's dreadful... but I'm not going to take that on belief until I check it out for myself.'

Was the movie worth watching? ;)

[Bill Ryan]

Quoted from a different thread:

'I'm now going to close down for the evening and watch the new Indiana Jones movie. I'm told it's dreadful... but I'm not going to take that on belief until I check it out for myself.'

Was the movie worth watching? ;)Ha. So far, yes, absolutely. :thumbsup: I was impressed how in flashback scenes Indy was digitally age-regressed, extremely convincingly too. And others had complained about the long chase scenes, but I was struck with their creativity, several times over. (Indy riding a galloping horse on a subway track with a train approaching? That's never been done before. :))

The plot is centered around the Antikythera Mechanism, which of course is a real and most fascinating thing. See this Avalon thread:


The Antikythera Mechanism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35247-The-Antikythera-Mechanism&highlight=Antikythera)

That's what the 'Dial of Destiny' is, and the thesis is that it was actually invented by the Greek super-genius Archimedes, having discovered that it can predict not only astronomical movements, but also rifts in time.

Indy can't really believe this at first. At one point, he yells:
"Archimedes was a mathematician, not a magician!!"
And of course a whole bunch of people, including the CIA and the Nazis, are after this thing. But I paused halfway through as it's a long movie, nearly two and a half hours. I'll definitely continue with Part Two tonight.
:happy dog:

[Bill Ryan]

Good Morning Bill...

I was just curious, many people ask you questions and stop once they get a yes or no.... I have been wanting to ask you about Solar Warden. I believe it absolutely exists, and I know that you do as well... And I am just curious if you ever intend to share what you have learned about the program, aside from the fact that it does indeed exist? Have you been given any details about the program that you are willing to share at this point?

I only ask as it seems as if there would be a large need for personnel in such a program, and if the information came out that it does exist, perhaps it would be easier to recruit for such a program... It seems to me the waves of contacts have slowed a bit, and abductions are not happening as often, which would indicate that the program is very useful...

I just wanted your thoughts on such things, if you wish to share anything?

I as well think something like this exists.
Especially considering the Garry McKinnon interview you guys did.

I want to piggy back on Denise's question.

What responsibility does this solar warden outfit play in global politics?
Who owns and or controls it?
Has it possibly become self governed?
Is solar warden beholden to any world government,, shadow or legitimate?
Would Solar Warden participate in a potential world war 3 scenario and if so for who?
For all the USA has done in initiating, funding and constructing solar warden I get the feeling there is no sense of country and or of being controlled in so far as solar warden is concerned.

Good day.Great questions. And my most sincere apologies for the very late reply. :facepalm:

I often wrestle with this, and I have no crystal clear ready answers. It does seem that the 'Breakaway Civilization' (which I'm convinced is very real) is somehow detached from most mundane global affairs (even major wars and geopolitical events), and seems to be funded from tens of trillions of $$$ siphoned off from the US financial system.

And there are many claims that this isn't just an American endeavor, but a multinational one, also featuring the Russians, some Europeans, and possibly the Chinese. I can believe that too, but I have zero idea how this interfaces with the geopolitical tensions we read about every day, which (at that lower level) also seem very real.

I'm also convinced that MJ-12 (or whatever it's called now, some suggest 'Zodiac') was and is very real, and may well be masterminding a whole high-level bunch of things. There's strong evidence (see the Admiral Wilson document, for instance) that the real power may lie in private corporations. With enough legal firewalls, and huge amounts of under-the-table funding, they can do almost anything they want.

If SpaceX can build and launch regular rocket-powered Starships, in several years' time maybe reaching the moon with astronauts on board, it could very well be that Lockheed has already done the same thing (and MUCH MUCH more) as far back as 30 years ago. If I were asked to place a bet, I'd put $100 on the table that this is where Solar Warden all comes from.

[Bill Ryan]

Quoted from a different thread:

'I'm now going to close down for the evening and watch the new Indiana Jones movie. I'm told it's dreadful... but I'm not going to take that on belief until I check it out for myself.'

Was the movie worth watching? ;)Ha. So far, yes, absolutely.
[...]
But I paused halfway through as it's a long movie, nearly two and a half hours.
Update:
Well, this shouldn't be a thread to discuss the Indy Franchise. :heart: But the rest of the movie was indeed dreadful. It spiraled rapidly into the garbage can in the second half, was 45 minutes too long, Indy somehow turned into a wimp, and the heroine(??), played by Phoebe Waller-Bridge, became more and more obnoxious. By the end I never EVER wanted to see her in any movie ever again. :ROFL:

Give it a miss. It shouldn't have been made. 2/10.

:focus:

[Ade Morris]

Hello Bill, my name is Ade and I'm a lifetime contactee who is ready to speak out with my story. I have had experiences with various non humans, including Reptilians, Greys and a shared consciousness experience with a Mantid, I've seen shadow beings and triangular craft, and told about the true nature of reality. I was born at RAF Cosford, and during a CT scan I saw a grain of rice shadow in my brain. I have been interviewed 4 times by the Bases Project, and would love to know if there are any interviewers out there that would be interested in hearing my story. Any suggestions welcome.

Oh, and I've also witnessed the secret space program and fired a plasma weapon..and had recall of being used as a super soldier/bounty hunter by the military despite never being in the military. (I think half of my problem is that there is too much stuff, and people think, he can't possibly have had all those experiences! But I have. I also want to teach people what I did so they can experience it too).

I've also got a photograph of a huge orb that appeared in my old home.. roughly 1.5 to 2 ft wide..

Every time I contact someone, the email doesnt get through for whatever reason.

I hope you get this message, as I can't see how to start my own thread.

Here is the link to part 4 of my Bases Project interviews https://youtu.be/V1OwMrRn9tU
Kind regards
Ade

[Harmony]

I hope you get this message, as I can't see how to start my own thread.

Here is the link to part 4 of my Bases Project interviews https://youtu.be/V1OwMrRn9tU
Kind regards
Ade


Hello Ade and welcome to the forum :shooting star:


Bill will be back on line a little later as he lives in Ecuodor. I am sure he will see your post when he checks the forum in a few hours.


At the top right hand side of each page you will see a circle with FAQ's and Help written inside. Click on that circle and you will find there is a lot information there when you are just starting out.


The first item listed there will be how to start a new thread. Take your time to browse and become familiar with how to find your way around the forum and please send a private message to the moderators with any questions you have or simply post them in the sandbox thread here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14962-Sandbox-thread-OK-to-practice-posting-here). There is sure to be a mod or member that will be able to give you some guidance.

[Matthew]

Quoted from a different thread:

'I'm now going to close down for the evening and watch the new Indiana Jones movie. I'm told it's dreadful... but I'm not going to take that on belief until I check it out for myself.'
...

Give it a miss. It shouldn't have been made. 2/10.

:focus:

I haven't seen the film, I've only seen the Critical Drinker's review. It's clear the script is more like bad fan-fiction expressing a loner's spiteful fantasy. The same with video games (e.g. The Last Of Us Part 2), Star Trek and Star Wars. Video games saw the inception of this, causing something termed 'Gamergate', which was happening in gaming journalism before woke became obvious in the mainstream. A consolation is that this new film is so bad it's not subtle. Subtle rot is surely worse? Give me a plain obvious lame duck failure over a ninja attack any day.

Sorry :Angel: :o :shielddeflect:

[Bill Ryan]

I hope you get this message, as I can't see how to start my own thread.
...
Here is the link to part 4 of my Bases Project interviews https://youtu.be/V1OwMrRn9tU
Ade, very many thanks, and a very warm welcome to the forum! :flower:

As Harmony mentioned just above, here's how to start your own thread, all in the FAQs.section accessible here:

https://projectavalon.net/FAQ_images/FAQs_button_location_1.gif


Where (and how) should I start a new thread?
(https://projectavalon.net/FAQs.htm#1)

Many members might then reply and comment in all kinds of ways, as it's clearly a major topic in itself. Possible sections might be these, but the mods can very easily move a started thread from one section to another.


Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?38-Ufology-Extraterrestrial-Contact)
The Secret Space Program (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?136-The-Secret-Space-Program)
Remarkable Personal Experiences (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?149-Remarkable-Personal-Experiences)
Contactees (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?33-Contactees) (a members-only thread)

[Drybones]

From time to time i re-watch old camelot videos just to listen to Bill Ryan's Voice

Your calmness helped me tru awakening but i miss you voice.
Would you think about making another YT video with your thoughts on where you are now on the subjects we all love.
to be honest you could also read harry potter i would also listen to that.. but you inner calmness and way of thinking helped me alot in my awakening years so i would like to thank you for that.
Thank you alot for your work.

[Bill Ryan]

From time to time i re-watch old camelot videos just to listen to Bill Ryan's Voice

Your calmness helped me tru awakening but i miss you voice.
Would you think about making another YT video with your thoughts on where you are now on the subjects we all love.
to be honest you could also read harry potter i would also listen to that.. but you inner calmness and way of thinking helped me alot in my awakening years so i would like to thank you for that.
Thank you alot for your work.That's most extremely kind. :flower: A video (or audio!) on "where I am now on the subjects we all love" might be about 20 hours long. :) Maybe longer! I do confess that I've quite often thought about it.

[Matthew]

... might be about 20 hours long. :) Maybe longer! I do confess that I've quite often thought about it.

A Don't mention the ______ ! series?

If I recall you thought the title template was a missed opportunity a few years ago. Is it still available? :Angel:

[fulcanelli]

Hi Bill,

What would it take for you, to come back to the USA (perhaps UK, as well?), to do one last set of interviews [with a 4k/HD camera], with folks that you feel are worthy of covering, in the current decade?

While we have a lot of old Camelot material, to reference, there's still much to be discussed with both old & new witnesses, alike. Of course, the Avalon forum is a wonderful, great community that keeps the conversation going.

However, I feel that I'm not alone, in wishing that you - someone we trust, with impeccable character & a history of doing breakthrough interviews - would be willing to do the same, again, albeit in a manner that's conducive to your preferences, these days.

I feel that some old witnesses might "come out of the woodwork", where you to publicly announce you'll start interviewing, again. If circumstances prevented you from traveling to do these interviews, perhaps you'd consider doing them remotely, via youtube live, or the other alternatives...

Lastly, I'm sure there's folks you've never talked to, which you currently might feel have important information, that should be shared with the public.

Is there any hope, that something like this might be in the cards for you/us?

Respectfully,
fulcanelli

[Le Chat]

51646

I couldn't help noticing the remarkable likeness between Bill and John Ryan (creator of English children's tv programme, Captain Pugwash).

Are you by any chance related?

[Bill Ryan]

... might be about 20 hours long. :) Maybe longer! I do confess that I've quite often thought about it.

A Don't mention the ______ ! series?

If I recall you thought the title template was a missed opportunity a few years ago. Is it still available? :Angel:Do forgive me, but I may need to be reminded of this. Can you expand on your question a little? :)

[Bill Ryan]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=51646&d=1693047689

I couldn't help noticing the remarkable likeness between Bill and John Ryan (creator of English children's tv programme, Captain Pugwash).

Are you by any chance related?Ha. No, not a relative. :)

John Ryan's Wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ryan_(cartoonist)) states that he died in 2009 aged 88. That's a nice, friendly photo of him, and I'd be interested to know when it was taken. In contrast, I often look a little less amiable than he does. :P

https://projectavalon.net/Bill_avatar_sm.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

What would it take for you, to come back to the USA (perhaps UK, as well?), to do one last set of interviews [with a 4k/HD camera], with folks that you feel are worthy of covering, in the current decade?

While we have a lot of old Camelot material, to reference, there's still much to be discussed with both old & new witnesses, alike. Of course, the Avalon forum is a wonderful, great community that keeps the conversation going.

However, I feel that I'm not alone, in wishing that you - someone we trust, with impeccable character & a history of doing breakthrough interviews - would be willing to do the same, again, albeit in a manner that's conducive to your preferences, these days.

I feel that some old witnesses might "come out of the woodwork", where you to publicly announce you'll start interviewing, again. If circumstances prevented you from traveling to do these interviews, perhaps you'd consider doing them remotely, via youtube live, or the other alternatives...

Lastly, I'm sure there's folks you've never talked to, which you currently might feel have important information, that should be shared with the public.

Is there any hope, that something like this might be in the cards for you/us?

Respectfully,
fulcanelliThank you so much for this question. After quite a bit of thought, I decided to copy my extensive reply (which is all connected and relevant) to a slightly different question on a members-only thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1572662#post1572662). I think many who've not seen this might find it interesting.

Right this moment I have no plans to do any more interviews. I enlarged on this a little in my posts #1159 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1383219&viewfull=1#post1383219) and #1350 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1437170&viewfull=1#post1437170), which others may also find interesting to read.

:flower:


Hi Bill,

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences and for creating this forum. I know it's a big undertaking with time, resources, etc... It has attracted a lot of like-minded people with similar and unexplainable experiences, and most importantly a safe space for communicating without being ridiculed.

The part where the little being materialized over Angi's shoulder. What color was it?

Since that experience has your worldview changed? Do you feel like you have a mission or expect something big to happen in the future?

Cheers,
SzymonThank you for the questions! :flower:

The part where the little being materialized over Angi's shoulder. What color was it?
The lighting in the room was subdued, but there was plenty enough to see without the light being switched on. The being's skin was kind of human-colored. Not gray, or green, or anything else that was unusual.
Since that experience has your worldview changed? Do you feel like you have a mission or expect something big to happen in the future?
That's a much more nuanced question to consider. Yes, it totally changed my worldview, and as I tried to describe, shortly following that being's appearance unfolded a domino-chain of other events that locked it all into place that, culminating in the awareness that for reasons unknown I was (as it were) the center or focus of some kind of project, rather like an unknowing asset that had not one handler but two, and had only just found out about them both. :)

I felt that my active 'mission' only materialized quite a bit later, when Camelot started in 2006 and I was suddenly catapulted into the public arena, modest though that was. (The precursor of that was my being catapulted into being the public portal for the Serpo releases, which was equally unplanned. That was in November 2005.)

Prior to all that, for quite a long time, I'd been totally aware of most things that would now be called 'alternative', but I'd never had a public voice — not that I ever wanted one. For instance, I was closely following John Lear, Bill Cooper and Bob Lazar back in the late 1980s and early 90s in real time when all that was happening, and had been devouringUFO books since I was a young teenager.

And the same with events and experiences in other alternative areas as well: Rife, Tesla, Bigfoot, Ancient civilizations, Remote viewing, Psychic phenomena, Past lives, and much much more. I was always a generalist, and had always felt that I knew a lot about a lot of stuff that covered a fairly wide range of interesting topics, probably more wide-ranging than most others who were very well-read on maybe one particular 'alternative' theme. (And I do think that's still true, even now.)

I had an interesting experience a few years ago, when an Avalon member in her early 20s, one of those most exceptional and highly talented young people who are wise and aware way beyond their years, came to visit me in Ecuador on her way through meet another friend.

She told me she had a clear and vivid message for me, which she'd received in meditation, and had been instructed to relay it to me. It was because I'd mentioned to her in passing, some time previously, that I always woke up every morning feeling that I somehow had to do more.

Her message was simple: "You've already done your job."

She didn't know what that "job" was (and neither did I!), but she felt it was somehow extremely important to tell me that one simple thing.

And whether that's true or not, I don't and can't know.

In a recent question on another thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1572265&viewfull=1#post1572265), which I also need to answer, I was asked in the most courteous and pleasant terms if I'd ever consider making more videos.

I get equally friendly emails from strangers literally every week asking me the same thing. Sometimes it's every other day.

My reply is (so far!) always the same as this answer which I posted (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1467818&viewfull=1#post1467818) a little over 18 months ago. It was actually a copy of a response to a similar question asked of me by Dr Paul LaViolette, with whom I exchanged emails fairly regularly, and who I learned passed away (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118685-Obituaries&p=1571073&viewfull=1#post1571073) at the end of last year. :flower:

~~~
I do increasingly often think I should maybe add my voice to counter some of the current insanity — which probably really is some kind of mass hypnosi (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117022-Mass-hypnosis-or-Mass-formation-how-large-populations-become-extreme)s.

The issue I have is with social media itself, which is frequently a deafening cacophony of shrieking noise, somehow addictive for many. And there are so many video commentators that even for someone discerning and careful, but with limited time, it's almost impossible to keep up sometimes.

And the quality is so often, so poor. I really do think it's a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, where the alt media, while fiercely critical of the mainstream, is also emulating it more and more: the creation of celebrities, the narcissism, the commercialization, the competition, the dramatic bumper music, the trivia, and more. It wasn't like that 10-15 years ago, and there's no sign of any turnaround.
~~~

So unless someone can somehow get me in front of a good microphone and bombard me with smart and intriguing questions (and a good reason to answer them!), I'm doubting I'll do anything of my own accord.

But I'll try here to summarize my top-level worldview, right at the moment. I think it belongs as a part of this long answer. I've held this view what feels like fairly clearly for the last 6-9 months or so, and not much is changing. :)


We're wrecking the planet. (No, nothing to do with 'climate change' That's all part of a huge, predictable, solar-influenced natural cycle which we're powerless to affect.)
We're a decadent, self-harming civilization in very rapidly spiraling decline. It's not quite planet-wide, but nearly so. And the 'west' is done.
Nothing we're doing, and nothing in the way we're living, is sustainable.
There's a dark blanket of evil (I use that word advisedly) that has fallen on and infected almost every human in a position of influence or authority. Many who do not have such influence or authority can see it clearly, at least in part.
I don't believe it's possible to fix this. It all has to come down. And I'm as sure as I can be that it will.
My personal best-guess timescale for this, as I've mentioned on several other threads, is round about 2028-29. But I have no special knowledge. That's just my own evaluation of the situation.
There are many, many indicators of this. Angi's chilling statement (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118487-A-story-I-ve-never-told-about-my-not-quite-human-friend&p=1495936&viewfull=1#post1495936) "The Earth is a very beautiful place. But it won't always be this way" was and still is for me far more memorable and significant than the ET staring at me in the corner of the room. She didn't say "might not". She said "won't". She was stating a fact that at least some of the ETs already know.
In the simplest terms, two things seem to lie ahead in the fairly near future.




— A global war, that may or may not be nuclear, but which would devastate how we all live, wherever we are. That's very likely right ahead of us on our timeline. (It could still theoretically be avoided if all the right people do the right things. However, there's zero sign of that happening.)

— A significant solar event, similar to that discussed in detail by Ben Davidson from Suspicious 0bservers (which happens every 6,000 years and is due right about now), and which was also announced in almost the same amount of detail by a large number of visionaries over the years — some of which have definitely been ETs, appearing like Ellie's father in the 1997 movie 'Contact' as in a form that would make it all easier to experience and believe. It's this second event that would be the coup de grâce.


The ETs (at least some of them) know this fully. But they're not interfering in any way with these outcomes, because the consequence of one or both of the above two events is that the evil will be destroyed, and that's the key thing that absolutely has to happen. It's also the only way. It's a modern-day 'Noah's Flood' kind of thing, sweeping it all away. After all that (because the human race will survive all this) then we can rebuild.


The reason I've included all this in my very long answer here is because you asked: "Do you feel like you have a mission or expect something big to happen in the future?"

To condense this complexity into just one sentence with which I'll close for now, (a) I think I've already done what I can (which may possibly be more than I'm aware of), and (b) yes, it will, and we've not got long to wait.

:flower::heart: :flower:

[Ernie Nemeth]

Quote Posted by fulcanelli (here)
Hi Bill,

What would it take for you, to come back to the USA (perhaps UK, as well?), to do one last set of interviews [with a 4k/HD camera], with folks that you feel are worthy of covering, in the current decade?

While we have a lot of old Camelot material, to reference, there's still much to be discussed with both old & new witnesses, alike. Of course, the Avalon forum is a wonderful, great community that keeps the conversation going.

However, I feel that I'm not alone, in wishing that you - someone we trust, with impeccable character & a history of doing breakthrough interviews - would be willing to do the same, again, albeit in a manner that's conducive to your preferences, these days.

I feel that some old witnesses might "come out of the woodwork", where you to publicly announce you'll start interviewing, again. If circumstances prevented you from traveling to do these interviews, perhaps you'd consider doing them remotely, via youtube live, or the other alternatives...

Lastly, I'm sure there's folks you've never talked to, which you currently might feel have important information, that should be shared with the public.

Is there any hope, that something like this might be in the cards for you/us?

Respectfully,
fulcanelli
Thank you so much for this question. After quite a bit of thought, I decided to copy my extensive reply (which is all connected and relevant) to a slightly different question on a members-only thread. I think many who've not seen this might find it interesting.

Right this moment I have no plans to do any more interviews. I enlarged on this a little in my posts #1159 and #1350, which others may also find interesting to read.



Quote Posted by Szymon (here)
Hi Bill,

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences and for creating this forum. I know it's a big undertaking with time, resources, etc... It has attracted a lot of like-minded people with similar and unexplainable experiences, and most importantly a safe space for communicating without being ridiculed.

The part where the little being materialized over Angi's shoulder. What color was it?

Since that experience has your worldview changed? Do you feel like you have a mission or expect something big to happen in the future?

Cheers,
Szymon
Thank you for the questions!

The part where the little being materialized over Angi's shoulder. What color was it?
The lighting in the room was subdued, but there was plenty enough to see without the light being switched on. The being's skin was kind of human-colored. Not gray, or green, or anything else that was unusual.
Since that experience has your worldview changed? Do you feel like you have a mission or expect something big to happen in the future?
That's a much more nuanced question to consider. Yes, it totally changed my worldview, and as I tried to describe, shortly following that being's appearance unfolded a domino-chain of other events that locked it all into place that, culminating in the awareness that for reasons unknown I was (as it were) the center or focus of some kind of project, rather like an unknowing asset that had not one handler but two, and had only just found out about them both.

I felt that my active 'mission' only materialized quite a bit later, when Camelot started in 2006 and I was suddenly catapulted into the public arena, modest though that was. (The precursor of that was my being catapulted into being the public portal for the Serpo releases, which was equally unplanned. That was in November 2005.)

Prior to all that, for quite a long time, I'd been totally aware of most things that would now be called 'alternative', but I'd never had a public voice — not that I ever wanted one. For instance, I was closely following John Lear, Bill Cooper and Bob Lazar back in the late 1980s and early 90s in real time when all that was happening, and had been devouringUFO books since I was a young teenager.

And the same with events and experiences in other alternative areas as well: Rife, Tesla, Bigfoot, Ancient civilizations, Remote viewing, Psychic phenomena, Past lives, and much much more. I was always a generalist, and had always felt that I knew a lot about a lot of stuff that covered a fairly wide range of interesting topics, probably more wide-ranging than most others who were very well-read on maybe one particular 'alternative' theme. (And I do think that's still true, even now.)

I had an interesting experience a few years ago, when an Avalon member in her early 20s, one of those most exceptional and highly talented young people who are wise and aware way beyond their years, came to visit me in Ecuador on her way through meet another friend.

She told me she had a clear and vivid message for me, which she'd received in meditation, and had been instructed to relay it to me. It was because I'd mentioned to her in passing, some time previously, that I always woke up every morning feeling that I somehow had to do more.

Her message was simple: "You've already done your job."

She didn't know what that "job" was (and neither did I!), but she felt it was somehow extremely important to tell me that one simple thing.

And whether that's true or not, I don't and can't know.

In a recent question on another thread, which I also need to answer, I was asked in the most courteous and pleasant terms if I'd ever consider making more videos.

I get equally friendly emails from strangers literally every week asking me the same thing. Sometimes it's every other day.

My reply is (so far!) always the same as this answer which I posted a little over 18 months ago. It was actually a copy of a response to a similar question asked of me by Dr Paul LaViolette, with whom I exchanged emails fairly regularly, and who I learned passed away at the end of last year.

~~~
I do increasingly often think I should maybe add my voice to counter some of the current insanity — which probably really is some kind of mass hypnosis.

The issue I have is with social media itself, which is frequently a deafening cacophony of shrieking noise, somehow addictive for many. And there are so many video commentators that even for someone discerning and careful, but with limited time, it's almost impossible to keep up sometimes.

And the quality is so often, so poor. I really do think it's a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, where the alt media, while fiercely critical of the mainstream, is also emulating it more and more: the creation of celebrities, the narcissism, the commercialization, the competition, the dramatic bumper music, the trivia, and more. It wasn't like that 10-15 years ago, and there's no sign of any turnaround.
~~~

So unless someone can somehow get me in front of a good microphone and bombard me with smart and intriguing questions (and a good reason to answer them!), I'm doubting I'll do anything of my own accord.

But I'll try here to summarize my top-level worldview, right at the moment. I think it belongs as a part of this long answer. I've held this view what feels like fairly clearly for the last 6-9 months or so, and not much is changing.
We're wrecking the planet. (No, nothing to do with 'climate change' That's all part of a huge, predictable, solar-influenced natural cycle which we're powerless to affect.)
We're a decadent, self-harming civilization in very rapidly spiraling decline. It's not quite planet-wide, but nearly so. And the 'west' is done.
Nothing we're doing, and nothing in the way we're living, is sustainable.
There's a dark blanket of evil (I use that word advisedly) that has fallen on and infected almost every human in a position of influence or authority. Many who do not have such influence or authority can see it clearly, at least in part.
I don't believe it's possible to fix this. It all has to come down. And I'm as sure as I can be that it will.
My personal best-guess timescale for this, as I've mentioned on several other threads, is round about 2028-29. But I have no special knowledge. That's just my own evaluation of the situation.
There are many, many indicators of this. Angi's chilling statement "The Earth is a very beautiful place. But it won't always be this way" was and still is for me far more memorable and significant than the ET staring at me in the corner of the room. She didn't say "might not". She said "won't". She was stating a fact that at least some of the ETs already know.
In the simplest terms, two things seem to lie ahead in the fairly near future.
— A global war, that may or may not be nuclear, but which would devastate how we all live, wherever we are. That's very likely right ahead of us on our timeline. (It could still theoretically be avoided if all the right people do the right things. However, there's zero sign of that happening.)

— A significant solar event, similar to that discussed in detail by Ben Davidson from Suspicious 0bservers (which happens every 6,000 years and is due right about now), and which was also announced in almost the same amount of detail by a large number of visionaries over the years — some of which have definitely been ETs, appearing like Ellie's father in the 1997 movie 'Contact' as in a form that would make it all easier to experience and believe. It's this second event that would be the coup de grâce.
The ETs (at least some of them) know this fully. But they're not interfering in any way with these outcomes, because the consequence of one or both of the above two events is that the evil will be destroyed, and that's the key thing that absolutely has to happen. It's also the only way. It's a modern-day 'Noah's Flood' kind of thing, sweeping it all away. After all that (because the human race will survive all this) then we can rebuild.

The reason I've included all this in my very long answer here is because you asked: "Do you feel like you have a mission or expect something big to happen in the future?"

To condense this complexity into just one sentence with which I'll close for now, (a) I think I've already done what I can (which may possibly be more than I'm aware of), and (b) yes, it will, and we've not got long to wait.


Fits with my timeline too because although I wish for the best, the worst looks more likely to occur...

[Matthew]

...Do forgive me, but I may need to be reminded of this. Can you expand on your question a little? :)

Oh I found it, here's the post I was thinking of. It's from the thread Bill Ryan in my new documentary 'Alien Reptilian Legacy', released March 2016, when it was codename Don't Mention The Reptiles
:Avalon:


.
Having thought about this some more, I do think the marketing guys really missed a trick.

Can you imagine this branded series of documentaries...


Don't mention the Reptilians
Don't mention the Illuminati
Don't mention Atlantis
Don't mention Remote Viewing
Don't mention Roswell
Don't mention the Chemtrails
Don't mention Genetic Engineering
Don't mention the Secret Space Program
Don't mention Planet X
Don't mention Alien Abductions
Don't mention Bigfoot

... I could EASILY come up with 20-30 more, and so could any of you reading this. And OMG, that series would be a really great idea. :star:

So everyone can put it in context it's from 2016 after the production of 'Alien Reptilian Legacy' (dedicated thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73364-Bill-Ryan-in-my-new-documentary-Alien-Reptilian-Legacy-released-March-2016))

[onawah]

Thanks Bill, for going more public with your views.
I hadn't seen the members only post before which you have copied here, so I'm glad this post brought it to my attention.

I share your views about our future, and I especially appreciate your mention of Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers youtube channel, whose diligent efforts for years now in getting the best scientific data out about the solar cycles/geomagnetic pole reversals deserves more of our attention and gratitude.

(For those who are still unaware, Ben's updates are posted regularly on the forum, and his latest is here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1574225&viewfull=1#post1574225 )

And thanks also for your mention of the late Dr. Paul laViolette as well, whose work (especially on the Galactic Superwave), was so important.

Something I hope and pray for, however, would be ET interference in helping to stop any nuclear exchange; not just for the sake of this planet and its life forms, but for those on other dimensions who could be affected as well.
(And we know some ETs can do it if they choose.)
The coming natural cataclysms should be enough to stop the evil from proliferating without nuclear attacks, which result in soul-shattering damage as well as physical.

I think it may be a wise decision not to be going any more public than you are now given the bizarre and unpredictable way in which current events are transpiring, and all the nutters that are out there now, acting out.
Particularly not on something like Joe Rogan's show...
But if you were going to, I would say that something like another interview with Dark Journalist would reach a smaller but more serious, dedicated audience of truth seekers, without attracting too much unwanted attention, and he would probably be happy to oblige.

But I certainly appreciate your efforts in keeping the forum going.
It is surely still having a positive effect in spite of all the insanity.
Not just for forum members (many of whom depend on it in part simply for helping us to stay sane) but for many others who are seeking the truth as well.

Take good care :flower:

[Bruce G Charlton]

@Bill - Thanks - that was useful and made very interesting food for thought.

I sent an excerpt (your 'top-level worldview') to some of my e-mail pen-pals, and it provoked a good discussion.

We pen-pals are all serious Christians, and found considerable agreement with most of what you said (albeit mostly with less emphasis on the significance of ETs).

It seems probably important that you and us are all currently "on the same side" (i.e. from our Christian POV and understanding) - despite having reached it by strikingly different paths.

[happyuk]

Fits with my timeline too because although I wish for the best, the worst looks more likely to occur...

I too kind of see it along these lines as in the very real possibility of major cyclical catastrophe happening within our lifetime.

My rundown, (if I may, and I realise this really belongs on a more appropriate thread) based on information I've pieced together over the years from Avalon sources (including Bill's seminal ("Charles") Rulers of the World interview):

Sun goes through cycles
Earth's magnetic field starts to weaken since the 1850s
Sociopaths in power who run/own the sea trade notice that the magnetic poles are shifting
They are also aware of ancient texts telling of great floods and even the earth changing its rotation
Ancient ruins and scriptures are proof of this event actually happening
After further putting of 2 and 2 together, by around the 1900s they realize what is possible to go down and that the magnetic pole shift is directly related to the Sun's activity
They figure out the ~12,000 year Micronova cycle of the Sun
US dollar is engineered to hyperinflate since it's inception and they know it only has to last around ~120 years. They will want to cash out bigly one last time
Populations are kept in the dark with CIA psyops
1946 was the first year of the CIA (100 years before the micronova); their logo also happens to be a micronova
"Man Made Climate Change" is invented to explain what's going on with the weather and the earth's changes which are actually caused by the Sun
Psyops are ramped up and get more extreme the closer we get to the cataclysmic event
Corona Virus scam is named after the part of the sun that blows off the material
"Great Reset", "Net zero", "Absolute Zero", "Build Back Better" nuspeak gets a new context with that micronova mega-catastrophe
Bill 4488 is introduced in 2022 which deals with "Climate change" caused existential risk for humanity
Populations are culled with the clot-shot so there isn't excessive competition for the limited resources in the world between the CMEs and Main Nova Events
As we get closer to the Micronova the elites begin to go crazy and indulge in extreme degeneracy
They know they can't escape what's happening and they know survival is not guaranteed even with the best most expensive bunkers

[onawah]

Something that might be added to 3rd from the end of the list: "Populations are culled with the clot-shot so there isn't excessive competition for the limited resources in the world between the CMEs and Main Nova Events"...
...might be: "The elites plan to use survivors of the clot-shots, which create genetically modified, dumbed-down, mind-controlled humanoids, as slaves in the new post-apocalyptic paradigm they think they will be controlling.




Fits with my timeline too because although I wish for the best, the worst looks more likely to occur...

I too kind of see it along these lines as in the very real possibility of major cyclical catastrophe happening within our lifetime.

My rundown, (if I may, and I realise this really belongs on a more appropriate thread) based on information I've pieced together over the years from Avalon sources (including Bill's seminal ("Charles") Rulers of the World interview):

Sun goes through cycles
Earth's magnetic field starts to weaken since the 1850s
Sociopaths in power who run/own the sea trade notice that the magnetic poles are shifting
They are also aware of ancient texts telling of great floods and even the earth changing its rotation
Ancient ruins and scriptures are proof of this event actually happening
After further putting of 2 and 2 together, by around the 1900s they realize what is possible to go down and that the magnetic pole shift is directly related to the Sun's activity
They figure out the ~12,000 year Micronova cycle of the Sun
US dollar is engineered to hyperinflate since it's inception and they know it only has to last around ~120 years. They will want to cash out bigly one last time
Populations are kept in the dark with CIA psyops
1946 was the first year of the CIA (100 years before the micronova); their logo also to be a micronova
"Man Made Climate Change" is invented to explain what's going on with the weather and the earth's changes which are actually caused by the Sun
Psyops are ramped up and get more extreme the closer we get to the cataclysmic event
Corona Virus scam is named after the part of the sun that blows off the material
"Great Reset", "Net zero", "Absolute Zero", "Build Back Better" nuspeak gets a new context with that micronova mega-catastrophe
Bill 4488 is introduced in 2022 which deals with "Climate change" caused existential risk for humanity
Populations are culled with the clot-shot so there isn't excessive competition for the limited resources in the world between the CMEs and Main Nova Events
As we get closer to the Micronova the elites begin to go crazy and indulge in extreme degeneracy
They know they can't escape what's happening and they know survival is not guaranteed even with the best most expensive bunkers

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It seems probably important that you and us are all currently "on the same side" (i.e. from our Christian POV and understanding)

A small addendum to this, something that occurred to me recently, which may or may not be accurate, but it is rather interesting.

Several different schools of thought claim the Gregorian calendar is out by a slight amount. I have a good reason to believe, acquired from several good spiritual sources, that it's actually out by four years. Jesus was not born in 1 AD, but in 4 B.C. And his death at age 33 would point to the year 29 A.D.

If this is true, Bill's projection of 2029 for significant watershed events to take place -- the removal of global evil -- would fall exactly on the two-thousand year anniversary of Christ's death.

[9ideon]

If this is true, Bill's projection of 2029 for significant watershed events to take place -- the removal of global evil -- would fall exactly on the two-thousand year anniversary of Christ's death.

In my calculative mind and knowledge these beings do not count up to 10 when it comes to certain elements, like 10 apples would be 10 apples, but in creating certain calculations 0 needs to be left out, it creates anomalies, it would be done in units of 3 up to 99, in the case of your 2k one it would actually come down to 999 + 999 in where we end up with 1998 years, therefore that date you mentioned should be 2027 iso 2029.

[Bill Ryan]

If this is true, Bill's projection of 2029 for significant watershed events to take place -- the removal of global evil -- would fall exactly on the two-thousand year anniversary of Christ's death.

In my calculative mind and knowledge these beings do not count up to 10 when it comes to certain elements, like 10 apples would be 10 apples, but in creating certain calculations 0 needs to be left out, it creates anomalies, it would be done in units of 3 up to 99, in the case of your 2k one it would actually come down to 999 + 999 in where we end up with 1998 years, therefore that date you mentioned should be 2027 iso 2029.... and maybe Christ didn't die from the crucifixion anyway. Much discussion about this and other things on this interesting thread:


The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61859-The-real-Jesus-the-real-Mary-Gnosis-the-Archons-and-the-world-s-first-major-smear-campaign/page34)

:flower::focus:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yes I shouldn't have said death, but I guess that's a matter of perspective -- or scripture, if one is biblical. My belief is he didn't die on the cross but 'ascended', became Homo-superSapiens, or a fully Christed-human. I believe that's what Resurrection, in Christian parlance, actually is.

:focus:

[Mari]

Onawah: "Something that might be added to 3rd from the end of the list: "Populations are culled with the clot-shot so there isn't excessive competition for the limited resources in the world between the CMEs and Main Nova Events"......might be: "The elites plan to use survivors of the clot-shots, which create genetically modified, dumbed-down, mind-controlled humanoids, as slaves in the new post-apocalyptic paradigm they think they will be controlling."


Hmm, not only the 'survivors', but they'll also have to contend with the millions who haven't taken the clot-shots, and those will not be coralled into cattle pens.

[onawah]

The toxic ingredients of the clot shots are also showing up in the air via chemtrails, in food, water and even other pharmaceuticals, and they can also be shed from the jabbed to the unjabbed.
( See the microscopy work of whistleblower Dr. Ana Mihalcea: https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email ).
So it is going to take some dedicated effort to remain relatively uncontaminated.
Then there is weather weaponry, which is no doubt the cause of more casualties than is reported, and appears to be amping up.
(C.A. Fitts explains a lot about that here, and how it's part of the depopulation agenda: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121653-Hawaii-Maui-Lahaina-has-been-wiped-off-the-map&p=1574968&viewfull=1#post1574968 )


Onawah: "Something that might be added to 3rd from the end of the list: "Populations are culled with the clot-shot so there isn't excessive competition for the limited resources in the world between the CMEs and Main Nova Events"......might be: "The elites plan to use survivors of the clot-shots, which create genetically modified, dumbed-down, mind-controlled humanoids, as slaves in the new post-apocalyptic paradigm they think they will be controlling."


Hmm, not only the 'survivors', but they'll also have to contend with the millions who haven't taken the clot-shots, and those will not be coralled into cattle pens.

[MatrixNeo]

@bill ryan,

my first question is: How do i tag someone in my post if I want to make sure they get notified of my reply? is it correct to just write "@bill ryan" ?

Second question: You have talked to many people and interviewed many, did in any of those discussion came a name by "imam Mahdi"?. If so what do you know of imam Mahdi. :)

[Bill Ryan]

@bill ryan,

my first question is: How do i tag someone in my post if I want to make sure they get notified of my reply? is it correct to just write "@bill ryan" ?

Second question: You have talked to many people and interviewed many, did in any of those discussion came a name by "imam Mahdi"?. If so what do you know of imam Mahdi. :)Thanks for the questions!


One can subscribe to a thread, or be notified if anyone quotes a post of yours, but I'm afraid this doesn't work in reverse. The only way to draw a member's attention to a post you've made is to PM them with a link, and ask them to please take a look. (Members sometimes PM me like this too, if they feel I've missed something I might want to comment on.)
No, the name was completely new to me until I read your Who's Imam Mahdi? Discussion (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121816-Who-s-Imam-Mahdi-Discussion&highlight=Mahdi) thread.

[Bill Ryan]

I have to say, I'd do quite a lot to see Ann and Nancy Wilson (Heart) perform an entire concert of Zeppelin numbers. And yes, they might possibly get back together next year.

They do Zep better than Zep, and Ann does Robert Plant better than Robert Plant. Sacrilege to some! But a case can be made. :) With the passing of Freddy Mercury, Ann Wilson, now 68 years old (impossible to believe!), has by far the strongest, most powerful and most evocative voice in rock. Her voice is just as it was when she started out 50 years ago. Maybe better.
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And if I had a time machine, I'd want to be at the 2012 Kennedy Center Honors where Ann and Nancy, backed by Jason Bonham on drums, an orchestra, and two choirs, performed Stairway to Heaven, the greatest modern song ever recorded, in front of Plant, Jimmy Page, and John Paul Jones, and a packed audience of celebrities that included the president.

It was staggering, acclaimed final act of the night that famously brought tears to the eyes of Robert Plant. (And to mine, too. I can't watch that often enough. It was the greatest live performance of Stairway to Heaven ever done, including by Led Zeppelin themselves.)

Trivia here compared to much else on this thread, but here it is. It's something to witness. These things do matter. (And, note. ETs can't do this kind of thing. Only humans can.)


https://vimeo.com/104287711
~~~

No-one's asked me a question about this :P — but I was reminded of this post last night when I saw the video below. Recommended. :heart:

It's really most interesting, because the reviewer ('The Charismatic Voice', a professional opera singer named Elizabeth Zharoff) knew almost nothing about Led Zeppelin and was only very dimly aware of Stairway to Heaven. But she was already a fan of Ann Wilson's remarkable and powerful voice.

She'd been asked to review this performance by her followers. Her live, real-time reaction, hearing Stairway to Heaven performed so magnificently like this, is lovely to behold.

Vocal analysis of Led Zepplin's Masterpiece, performed by Heart at the Kennedy Center


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4p3_4cLlNk

[Ewan]

Hi Bill, I frequently see you posting from 08:30 GMT. This would be 03:30 in Ecuador.

So the question, simply... Bedtime & Arising @? Is this a daily routine?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill, I frequently see you posting from 08:30 GMT. This would be 03:30 in Ecuador.

So the question, simply... Bedtime & Arising @? Is this a daily routine?Ha. :) Yes, it is... I'm quite often up that early, and sometimes even earlier. I relish the quiet of the pre-dawn early morning and often get quite a lot done. :flower:

[Digit]

2am, best hour to start the day.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Supplementary question/s - Do you still get about 8 hours sleep, by going to bed early, or taking a siesta?

Or are you one of those who need less sleep than most of us?

[Bill Ryan]

Supplementary question/s - Do you still get about 8 hours sleep, by going to bed early, or taking a siesta?

Or are you one of those who need less sleep than most of us?I definitely need an average of 8 hours sleep! I usually go to bed early enough to get adequate sleep even if I get up pretty early. All this is easy to regulate here in Ecuador year-round, as nights on the equator are always 12 hours, 6 pm—6 am.

[avid]

I have to say, I'd do quite a lot to see Ann and Nancy Wilson (Heart) perform an entire concert of Zeppelin numbers. And yes, they might possibly get back together next year.

They do Zep better than Zep, and Ann does Robert Plant better than Robert Plant. Sacrilege to some! But a case can be made. :) With the passing of Freddy Mercury, Ann Wilson, now 68 years old (impossible to believe!), has by far the strongest, most powerful and most evocative voice in rock. Her voice is just as it was when she started out 50 years ago. Maybe better.
[/FONT]
And if I had a time machine, I'd want to be at the 2012 Kennedy Center Honors where Ann and Nancy, backed by Jason Bonham on drums, an orchestra, and two choirs, performed Stairway to Heaven, the greatest modern song ever recorded, in front of Plant, Jimmy Page, and John Paul Jones, and a packed audience of celebrities that included the president.

It was staggering, acclaimed final act of the night that famously brought tears to the eyes of Robert Plant. (And to mine, too. I can't watch that often enough. It was the greatest live performance of Stairway to Heaven ever done, including by Led Zeppelin themselves.)

Trivia here compared to much else on this thread, but here it is. It's something to witness. These things do matter. (And, note. ETs can't do this kind of thing. Only humans can.)


https://vimeo.com/104287711
~~~

No-one's asked me a question about this :P — but I was reminded of this post last night when I saw the video below. Recommended. :heart:

It's really most interesting, because the reviewer ('The Charismatic Voice', a professional opera singer named Elizabeth Zharoff) knew almost nothing about Led Zeppelin and was only very dimly aware of Stairway to Heaven. But she was already a fan of Ann Wilson's remarkable and powerful voice.

She'd been asked to review this performance by her followers. Her live, real-time reaction, hearing Stairway to Heaven performed so magnificently like this, is lovely to behold.

Vocal analysis of Led Zepplin's Masterpiece, performed by Heart at the Kennedy Center


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4p3_4cLlNk



Thanks Bill, happy memories of seeing Led Zeppelin live at Maple Leaf Gardens Toronto, 4/9/71 afore marathon trip to Mexico a few days later 👍👍👍😻

[charlesfrith]

Hilarious. Very restrained Sovereign Ryan 👌😎🤣

[onawah]

Details about a Scientology scam, in case there is still any question about how far-reaching the scams are associated with and/or coming through Kim Goguen and cohorts...
It would be interesting to hear your impressions.


Associates Exposed | Part 7a | Dan Lutz - His First Grift, And Intro Into The OCG
Kim Goguen INTEL |
THE TEAM BUBBA PODCAST
2.63K subscribers
Premieres Dec 6, 2023 8pm CST

"Dan Lutz has been in several scams since 2012.

He was a big player on Kim's team, especially working on the internet and mobile APPs side.

Dan & Tank were friends and made many shows promoting Kim's so called intel, and joined many of the old Lifeforce team zoom calls.

Dan visited Kim's home on several occasions along with Thomas Williams, Melville and Tank.

This video shows proof of his first introduction into grifting, teaming up with alleged fraudster & Scientologist Meir Ezra."

Video Links

Meir Ezra - Scientology recruitment scheme

https://culteducation.com/group/1284-...

https://youtu.be/42lA_AbZ_To?si=syybY...
https://dirtyscam.com/report/guarante...
https://www.jpost.com/magazine/featur...
https://james51x4expblog.wordpress.co...
https://ia802802.us.archive.org/24/it...
https://web.archive.org/web/201403170...
https://web.archive.org/web/201610190...

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[Bill Ryan]

Details about a Scientology scam, in case there is still any question about how far-reaching the scams are associated with and/or coming through Kim Goguen and cohorts...
It would be interesting to hear your impressions.Many thanks, and that was very interesting. I confess I'd never heard of Dan Lutz or Meir Ezra, but in summary none of this would surprise me at all. I know how the Church of Scientology's recruitment programs work, and this would be very typical.

Regarding whether Kim Goguen is or ever had been connected with the Church of Scientology, I also have zero information (I don't follow the Church's dramas, scandals or personalities at all), and all I can say is that while I don't follow Kim Goguen's updates any more either*, I've never heard her using any scientology terminology, which with some people is quite often an accidental giveaway.

~~~

* In my strong personal opinion, there have been way too many ridiculous and impossible things that she states and claims, such as that Donald Trump is dead and that the Chinese naval fleet was dematerialized a couple of years ago(!).

I don't post on the main pro Kim Goguen thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies) (or even read it any more), nor on the counter Who is Kim Goguen? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen) thread — the reason being that I don't want to insert myself into any controversies or disagreements which are debated or presented by Avalon members whom I respect and count as friends.

But as a one-off statement here, it's very clear to me personally that while I don't know if Kim Goguen herself is a 'scammer', I'm as sure as I can be that most if not all of her claimed information is nonsense and has zero bearing on the reality around us which I feel I understand.

:flower:

[RunningDeer]

I don't post on the main pro Kim Goguen thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies) (or even read it any more), nor on the counter Who is Kim Goguen? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen) thread — the reason being that I don't want to insert myself into any controversies or disagreements which are debated or presented by Avalon members whom I respect and count as friends.
:flower:



Thank you, Bill.

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[onawah]

I think there has been sufficient evidence presented on the "Who is Kim Goguen?" thread demonstrating that Goguen and her cohorst are not only liars, but unparalleled scammers and grifters who have cost hundreds if not thousands of people thousands if not millions of dollars, not to mention a lot of heartbreak and very rude awakenings.
In that sense, they have probably even outdone the likes of Wilcock, Goode, Parkes etc.
I am sure there will be more evidence forthcoming, should anyone care to attend to it.
I cannot in good conscience continue as a member of Project Avalon since it has been providing a platform for such ruthless grifters and compromsing the integrity of this forum since 2020, and with no change in sight judging from what Bill has stated above.
I only became aware of it all relatively recently, but the longer I have been aware, the more compromised I have been feeling personally by the continuing presence of the thread "The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies" here, and what it represents.
So I will say goodby and best wishes to the forum members who I have shared this space with for so long; I wish it were under better circumstances.
Please unsubscribe me.





But as a one-off statement here, it's very clear to me personally that while I don't know if Kim Goguen herself is a 'scammer', I'm as sure as I can be that most if not all of her claimed information is nonsense and has zero bearing on the reality around us which I feel I understand.

:flower:
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[RunningDeer]

So I will say goodby and best wishes to the forum members who I have shared this space with for so long; I wish it were under better circumstances.
Please unsubscribe me.



Natalie you are a valued member. I’d suggest a ’gone fishing’ break. It’s not lost on me that you add 10-15 posts daily. It tells me how dedicated you are to help humanity in ways you believe to be important.

In case the above suggestion doesn’t appeal to you, then I'll use this space to thank you for all you've contributed.

Godspeed on your journey. You will be missed. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/comes-in-hug.gif

With heart,
Paula


https://i.imgur.com/jwvqsZW.jpg

[truthseek]

I only have limited time to go on Avalon but consider this platform to be a great source of information when needed. Onawah, I -- as Im sure many others -- greatly value your insights and many posts. Please reconsider! I'd much rather see you continue your posts than Kim Goguen any day.

This brings me to a sticky point. With rapidly increasing attempts to manipulate peoples thoughts through main stream media worldwide and AI getting into the mix , we look to Project Avalon for refreshing quality news. PA is our sacred "go to" place. New members when signing up, sign a pledge to make quality contributions to the site and assist in the positive development of mankind.

When a news thread, or a contributor for that matter, has proven to be inaccurate or deceptive, should they not get their due notice? We are fighting a war out there against darkness and manipulation as many Avalonians will surely agree. I urge all moderators to please keep on top of things to continue to keep Project Avalon a top knotch site. Project Avalon is making a difference in shaping consciousness of this world!

[avid]

I think there has been sufficient evidence presented on the "Who is Kim Goguen?" thread demonstrating that Goguen and her cohorst are not only liars, but unparalleled scammers and grifters who have cost hundreds if not thousands of people thousands if not millions of dollars, not to mention a lot of heartbreak and very rude awakenings.
In that sense, they have probably even outdone the likes of Wilcock, Goode, Parkes etc.
I am sure there will be more evidence forthcoming, should anyone care to attend to it.
I cannot in good conscience continue as a member of Project Avalon since it has been providing a platform for such ruthless grifters and compromsing the integrity of this forum since 2020, and with no change in sight judging from what Bill has stated above.
I only became aware of it all relatively recently, but the longer I have been aware, the more compromised I have been feeling personally by the continuing presence of the thread "The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies" here, and what it represents.
So I will say goodby and best wishes to the forum members who I have shared this space with for so long; I wish it were under better circumstances.
Please unsubscribe me.





But as a one-off statement here, it's very clear to me personally that while I don't know if Kim Goguen herself is a 'scammer', I'm as sure as I can be that most if not all of her claimed information is nonsense and has zero bearing on the reality around us which I feel I understand.

:flower::heart::heart::heart:
[/INDENT]

For goodness sake Natalie, there is so much more here than a stupid Kim whoever, I don’t bother with those threads, but many many other threads you help us with are SOOOO important, so please don’t go. I look forward to China, space weather, and loads of your input. Avalon will not be the same without you. PLEASE reconsider, one daft thread does not a forum make. Loads of love, keep on keeping on Avid :heart:

[Ernie Nemeth]

Dear Natalie.

I won't ask you to stay but only to reconsider your options.

With so many people on the apple cart these days, mouthing in lockstep the accepted narrative, we need you to help run alongside trying to overturn it. It's our job.

For now we can only watch from the sidelines and hope soon sanity will return, or even perhaps that we ourselves will come to realize the error in our thinking, who knows.

But if you leave your voice will be cancelled, here. That would be a loss for all involved.

Continue to stand your ground, that in itself is an excellent example for others to emulate. Or maybe skulk around in the background for a while. Let the newest fad fade, like they always do. Of course, those of us who have been waiting a long time now for sanity to return, are growing impatient and a little worried that it might never happen.

There are a lot of charlatans out there. Not many in here, if any. That is a big factor in Avalon's favor.
Also, there cannot be a man more sincere than Bill. :)
Running a forum like this one must be difficult to say the least. And yet Bill manages to navigate through the storms and keeps Avalon on course.
Kudos to you Bill!

I think it is possible to agree to disagree, and still maintain an amicable relationship with the forum as a whole.

Perhaps a few members on ignore might help? (I have tried to use this function, but I don't really want to cancel anybody, just some of their posts on some of the threads. Alas, there is no such option.)

Is this making sense?
Whatever the choice, my advice is to at least delay the choice. Make sure it is what you really want.

Hugs, :bearhug:

[onawah]

Thanks for your concern and well wishes.
It wasn't a snap decision.
I think I need to resume some other creative activities that will bring me more back to myself.
In any case, I have often wondered if spending so much time online hasn't actually been a distraction from that.

Take good care, Avalonians. :grouphug:

[Patient]

Hey Onawah - hope you see this, and also for everyone else. Seeing Onawah leave is sad to me. I did not click the "thanks" button to support her leaving - although that is her choice - I thanked her for posting - these posts and all other posts.

Bill, I am just wondering if you communicated to Onawah to yours and Onawah's satisfaction. I am sure that you did and respect that it is private. Just wanted to ask.

[onawah]

Hi Patient,
Thanks. I have not communicated with Bill anymore about this issue other than in this thread, though I have done so on past occasions.
I really didn't intend to put him on the spot as to being the one to unsubscribe me, so I will ask one of the Mods who are on duty now to do it.
Take care.

Hey Onawah - hope you see this, and also for everyone else. Seeing Onawah leave is sad to me. I did not click the "thanks" button to support her leaving - although that is her choice - I thanked her for posting - these posts and all other posts.

Bill, I am just wondering if you communicated to Onawah to yours and Onawah's satisfaction. I am sure that you did and respect that it is private. Just wanted to ask.

[pyrangello]

Onawah , take a breather young lady, it's ok , we all need to step back for a while sometimes. Someone said to me one time, did you hear the birds sing this morning ....... your contribution here has opened many minds here including with me. ........ that being said everything in this world is escalating , opinions, events, financial markets , corruption, crime. The earth absorbs all that energy as well. Time to regroup and nurture your beautiful soul. ....get back and your path and everything will find it's place in time.:)

[Kryztian]

I cannot in good conscience continue as a member of Project Avalon since it has been providing a platform for such ruthless grifters and compromsing the integrity of this forum since 2020, and with no change in sight judging from what Bill has stated above.
I only became aware of it all relatively recently, but the longer I have been aware, the more compromised I have been feeling personally by the continuing presence of the thread "The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies" here, and what it represents.
So I will say goodby and best wishes to the forum members who I have shared this space with for so long; I wish it were under better circumstances.
Please unsubscribe me.





But as a one-off statement here, it's very clear to me personally that while I don't know if Kim Goguen herself is a 'scammer', I'm as sure as I can be that most if not all of her claimed information is nonsense and has zero bearing on the reality around us which I feel I understand.

:flower:
[/INDENT]

Natalie,

I truly hope you will rethink that choice of yours.

Yes, this forum at one time had a lot of supporters for Corey Goode, David Wilcox, Simon Parkes, Kevin Arnett, Deborah Tavares, Mark Richards, Charlie Ward and many, many other snake oil salesmen. I took many, many years to turn the tide and convince the forum members that these people were hucksters. While hoaxes and hoaxsters have been planted and grown on this forum, we are also often the first ones to question these narratives and start revealing these stories as hoaxes. Many of us have worked hard to expose these people as charlatans, and you in particular have done a great job on Kim Gougen. (I haven't spent much time looking at her materials at all. Something seemed strange about her when I first started looking in to her, and when you created the thread to expose her, you confirmed my intuition that her stories were nothing but a big crock and I haven't had to spend any more time looking at either the pro or anti Gougen threads thanks to you.)

I am not sure what you expect Bill or the mods to do about this thing. There is no stopping a powerful lie, it just has got to run its course. You can't end an idea by trying to suppress it. You just have to let it feast on all the feeble minds that will take it in and be thankful it is not you, and then wait for it to die it's spectacular death (and hasten the death with your good research). You could ban it here on the forum but that won't make it go away. The ship of fools will just sail off to another place on the internet and cultivate their nonsense elsewhere. Why not just let it continue to happen here, so that we can witness close up how the conmen and conwomen lure their suckers into their web and observe how these scams operate.

Ideas are opium and a few threads here have been opium dens, and we have some hopium junkies here. So you might as well enjoy the freak show! And while Gougen will probably fade into obscurity in a year or two, there will be new people to take her place. Fighting the lies and B.S. in this universe is a never ending battle and truth warriors can never retire. So don't you dare leave the forum. :ROFL:

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Natalie, we're definitely not going to lose you! You're way too valuable here. We all hope you slept well, and this is now another day, for every one of us. :flower:

:heart: :heart2: :heart: :heart2: :heart:

[Bill Ryan]

I also felt moved to share this — anonymously, of course. :flower: It was a private message sent to me overnight which I've only just read. Only in rare situations do we do this, but in this case I feel it is totally warranted. I agree with every sentiment.

:heart::heart::heart:


Natalie

Hi Bill, please dissuade Natalie from leaving, she is an anchorperson here, I love her diligence and honesty, she lives to do good despite her disabilities, and if she goes I, for one, will be distraught. She has been brilliant with so many of us in bad times, please stop her from leaving - that Kim crap has a lot to answer for. Much more serious stuff to discuss on our forum than that… :fingers crossed:

[Rawhide68]

Natalie, It's true we have had a bunch of as you mention Corey Goode, David Wilcox' es and a lot others that may not have anything to give us.

Cogito, ergo sum "I think therefore I am"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum

This is a forum to express anything and everything!
What you find valuable might not be to some other person, thats just how life works

:heart2:

[onawah]

It's ridiculous that, after being a member here for so long, I still didn't quite understand the difference between unsubscribing and retiring.
But it seems that unless I've been very problematical, I won't be unsubscribed, just retired, which leaves the door open to returning.
And that is probably just as well, as it will force me to take myself more in hand where my internet addiction is concerned. :nod:
Meanwhile, I am just tying up any loose ends here, so please pardon this prolonged exit on my part.
It's not that I think the forum won't be doing whatever it needs to do ongoing.
Again...take good care :flower:
Natalie

[ashva]

Hi Bill,

Three questions:

1. Given recent developments (say, over the last 12 months), how have you revised your understanding of the alien agenda, and the agenda of TPTB?

2. In your opinion, do you think UFOlogy is taking a darker turn? I ask because I wonder whether my optics here are skewed - my sense of UFOlogy since 2017 (since the acknowledgement of AATIP) has been of a 'rising darkness' which seems to incessantly insist on dark mystery, and nefariou agendas. Gone is some of the great hope you would feel if you studied the work of, say, Timoty Good.

3. Are you aware that posts have been removed from this forum? I note at least two posts regarding the US millitary in the 'Aliens Among Us' thread have been removed.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

Three questions:

1. Given recent developments (say, over the last 12 months), how have you revised your understanding of the alien agenda, and the agenda of TPTB?

2. In your opinion, do you think UFOlogy is taking a darker turn? I ask because I wonder whether my optics here are skewed - my sense of UFOlogy since 2017 (since the acknowledgement of AATIP) has been of a 'rising darkness' which seems to incessantly insist on dark mystery, and nefariou agendas. Gone is some of the great hope you would feel if you studied the work of, say, Timoty Good.

3. Are you aware that posts have been removed from this forum? I note at least two posts regarding the US millitary in the 'Aliens Among Us' thread have been removed.Great questions, and they deserve a detailed answer that I've actually been thinking about quite a lot. I have no time right now, but I'd definitely like to reply in full later.

Re your Q3, which is the 'Aliens Among Us' thread that you refer to? Can you give a link, or the exact thread title? (Do you mean this one? THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda.)

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105369-THIS-PLANET-WILL-BE-THEIRS-David-Jacobs-conclusion-about-the-ET-agenda/page5)I'm not aware of any posts that have been deleted, but if I'd be very happy to take a look and see what may have happened. :thumbsup:

[Vicus]

Banal question: what about your hat "history"? :Avalon:

isn't a cowboy hat, more like some explorers in Africa colonial history, you have mention sometimes your connection with this
continent...

maybe is somewhere in this Thread, it will take days to find something about...
well...

[Bill Ryan]

Banal question: what about your hat "history"? :Avalon:

isn't a cowboy hat, more like some explorers in Africa colonial history, you have mention sometimes your connection with this continent...It's a Rogue hat. I actually have two right now. They're almost indestructible (the Rogue company states, I'm sure correctly, that you can drive a truck over it and it'll still keep its shape). But my very first (original) one suffered a terrible accident when washing it long ago: the leather became very soft after I'd soaked it in soap for too long, and I poked my finger right through it — creating something looking exactly like a bullet hole. :)

Here's the website: https://rogue.co.za/collections/originals

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Rogue_hat.jpg

And yes, it's the African connection. I've spent a lot of time there, both when I was a child in Ghana and Nigeria and later when I returned many times on various expeditions to Mount Kenya, the Masai Mara Game Reserve, Mt Elgon, and more.

I bought my first hat at Johannesburg airport in the early 2000s, returning from having spent 3 magical weeks driving across the Kalahari desert in Botswana... one of the most wonderful things I've ever done.

:stars:

[Sue (Ayt)]

Hi Bill,

Three questions:

1. Given recent developments (say, over the last 12 months), how have you revised your understanding of the alien agenda, and the agenda of TPTB?

2. In your opinion, do you think UFOlogy is taking a darker turn? I ask because I wonder whether my optics here are skewed - my sense of UFOlogy since 2017 (since the acknowledgement of AATIP) has been of a 'rising darkness' which seems to incessantly insist on dark mystery, and nefariou agendas. Gone is some of the great hope you would feel if you studied the work of, say, Timoty Good.

3. Are you aware that posts have been removed from this forum? I note at least two posts regarding the US millitary in the 'Aliens Among Us' thread have been removed.Great questions, and they deserve a detailed answer that I've actually been thinking about quite a lot. I have no time right now, but I'd definitely like to reply in full later.

Re your Q3, which is the 'Aliens Among Us' thread that you refer to? Can you give a link, or the exact thread title? (Do you mean this one? THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda.)

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105369-THIS-PLANET-WILL-BE-THEIRS-David-Jacobs-conclusion-about-the-ET-agenda/page5)I'm not aware of any posts that have been deleted, but if I'd be very happy to take a look and see what may have happened. :thumbsup:

The thread is Here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107662-Aliens-Among-Us...A-Thread-for-Personal-Experiences), Bill.
Nothing that I see was deleted, although some members may have self-edited their posts, which is always an option for members.

[Bruce G Charlton]

@Bill - Aside; I have a something that I always think of as "my Bill Ryan" hat! - although I now see that it's nothing like yours! (Canvas rather than leather, for a start).

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It's pretty good; but I had to modify it with eyelets to include a double strap (like the Tilley system), but it is still "unstable" in a strong breeze, and the tarp fabric causes a lot of sweating when it's hot. Mostly, I wear a Tilley T3 hat when it's sunny. A wide brim is necessary because I have very little hair and burn easily; and after using any brand for decades, I have become allergic to all types of sun blocking cream that I can find (maybe they changed the ingredients).

[ashva]

Bill,

My apologies on 3 - I made a mistake. I found what I thought had been removed.

However, I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on 1 and 2!

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

1. Given recent developments (say, over the last 12 months), how have you revised your understanding of the alien agenda, and the agenda of TPTB?
I've been giving a lot of thought and attention to this. And the more I do think about this, the more I'm strongly suspecting that the biggest picture is that the Earth is facing the possibility/probability of a near-future (2028-29?) cataclysm in the form of a very major solar event, which many (or maybe all) of the visiting ETs seem to know is imminent.

Here's a copy of what I posted (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8822-The-Area-51-Alien-Interview-video&p=1595340&viewfull=1#post1595340) a few days ago, on the Area 51 'Alien Interview' video (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8822-The-Area-51-Alien-Interview-video) thread:

~~~




Re the "solar flood" do you think he ['Victor', the whistleblower] is referring to solar flares? If the interview is 2008 and he says don't count on a 20 year anniversary of it, then he means a major fire/flood event some time before 2028, perhaps triggered by solar flares?Yes, that's my interpretation as well. Something like Ed Dames' 'Killshot', and/or what Akita (and other prophecies) refer to as 'Fire from the Sky'. (Not a water flood, but some major solar event that 'floods' the earth with something like a giant solar flare that impacts Earth with catastrophic effect.)

There's quite a lot about this on The Third Secret of Fatima (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120874-The-Third-Secret-of-Fatima) thread, in which a prophetic message received in Akita, Japan in 1973, apparently extremely similar to that received by the Fatima witnesses in 1918, is described in detail. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120874-The-Third-Secret-of-Fatima&p=1550664&viewfull=1#post1550664)

I have to say that this does all fit with my own purely personal assessment of the likely date of this event, which I've posted several times seems to me to converge on something like 2028-29.

I've been noting all the references to this [apparent] kind of incident that I've been able to find, and so far I've listed over 40 of them. Some are far more specific than others, but the broad agreement that something not-good may possibly happen to the Earth in the next few years does start to seem worthy of being taken seriously.
~~~

This also fully ties into the theme of my 2012 thread From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis), in which I laid out circumstantial evidence that a small number of chosen humans (elite powerbrokers and politicians, together with selected scientists, technicians and other men and women of high intelligence, ability, and of high-quality genetic stock) were preparing to evacuate the planet.


2. In your opinion, do you think UFOlogy is taking a darker turn? I ask because I wonder whether my optics here are skewed - my sense of UFOlogy since 2017 (since the acknowledgement of AATIP) has been of a 'rising darkness' which seems to incessantly insist on dark mystery, and nefarious agendas. Gone is some of the great hope you would feel if you studied the work of, say, Timothy Good.Well, not really! Back in the late 1980s (before Timothy Good's best-selling 'Above Top Secret'), John Lear and others were beating the drum as loud as they could be about dark alien agendas. Val Valerian's huge compendium of information Matrix II (PDF here (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Valdemar%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20I-IV/Valdamar%20Valerian%20-%20Matrix%20II%20(1991).pdf)), published in 1991, is enough to make one's blood curdle. :)

While I have a huge amount of respect for the careful academic scholarship of Richard Dolan, he's actually done a lot in recent years to dilute and distract the focus from that potentially very important late 1980s and early 1990s discussion.

He talks a lot (e.g.) about the Admiral Wilson document, and showcases Lou Elizondo and David Grusch, and asks questions about what the heck the ETs are doing here, while simply offering his best answer that it's because 'we're about to technologically enter their world'.

I think he may be being naive, and that what's really happening may be so uncomfortable that Richard, consciously or unconsciously, just doesn't want to go there.

That 'dark agenda' may also be connected in some way with David Jacobs' work, about which we have this Avalon thread:


THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105369-THIS-PLANET-WILL-BE-THEIRS-David-Jacobs-conclusion-about-the-ET-agenda)

But Jacobs, now in his 80s, has retired from the scene. And though his presentations and interviews are all still out there, he's not attracting the audience's attention any more. And I don't believe anyone else is picking up from where he left off. I'd argue that modern ufology has actually become less 'dark', not more so.

Regarding David Jacobs' conclusions, it has to be possible that the ETs who may be aware of an imminent major solar event are doing more than just passively watching from a distance. They may be doing stuff as well, such as infiltrating and influencing our own human institutions in any number of different ways.

One closing thought might be helpful here. Some readers may remember that also back in the late 1980s Bill Cooper (who was definitely flawed, and sometimes misrepresented himself and his credentials) DID say: (paraphrased here, but maybe someone can retrieve his actual quote)

You can't understand what's happening in the world without factoring in the ET agenda.
If that's the case (and I suspect David Jacobs might agree), it implies that the ETs who are intervening (or even steering events) in various ways may not be entirely benevolent in the sense that we'd expect human humanitarians to be.

They may have an entirely dispassionate and utilitarian approach to all this, which humans would find hard to understand.

But others — maybe from a different ET race or races — do seem to be warning us. I'm as sure as I can be that the many predictions communicated by 'the Virgin Mary' (and others in differing guises, such as Native American elders) are actually ETs from a highly advanced race, maybe not at all the same as those whose physical ships are so frequently seen.

(And some 'ET' visitors may well be time travelers, one of whose missions is to collect healthy human genetic material before it becomes somehow degraded. We have an Avalon thread about that as well: Are some UFO visitors us from the future? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109210-Are-some-UFO-visitors-us-from-the-future&highlight=future))

Much, much more could be written about all this, but there's already a great deal on the forum on various threads, some of which are my own. The best interim summary I can offer is that it does seem to me likely that different ET races, assuming that they all know about something that's going to happen to the human race fairly soon, may have different agendas — some helpfully warning us via various means, while others may be in some way capitalizing on the situation or intervening in entirely covert, very dispassionate ways.

[onawah]

The coming event, which is called a "micronova" in scientific terms, has been described in great detail by Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers, a scientist who is making it his life's work to prepare for and to awaken others.
The documentaries on his youtube channel are most revealing. See:https://www.youtube.com/@Suspicious0bservers/playlists
Also see this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages
The micronovas happen on a regular basis and have been well documented in recent years by various scientific sources, which Davidson has been posting regularly.
The one we are due soon is on the 12,000 year cycle, which is cataclysmic on a global scale.
It is likely that there will also be a big enough CME before the main event powerful enough to take down the entire global energy grid.
This is due in large part to the diminishment of the Earth's protective magnetism and ozone layer, also part of the cycle, as well as increasing solar activity.
It seems clear that ETs are aware of this and have issued warnings.
I think Trump is aware of this as well, and it is another reason why his running again for POTUS is such a political "hot potato", though he has kept the silence about it so far...

[ashva]

Bill - thanks for your answer(s) here.

1. Re. Solar event - Linda Moulton Howe was asked in one of her online chats what she thought was the significance of the year 2027 (as mentioned by Ramirez, and intimated by Elizondo and 'Viktor'), she reported that her sources (I believe she said several) all reported an upcoming Solar Micronove

2. I have mentioned this before, but I hope no one minds me reposting this story here:

When my son was barely ten, he told me of a dream of his.

The dream began with him viewing the Earth from above, high in orbit, where he watched the lights go out all over the world, with waves of darkness spreading in all directions from the region of Papua New Guinea.

His perspective then shifted and he found himself in some supermarket where he watched a scene of people fighting for the remaining food. He watched six people all fight each other, three racially Asian, three European, and he watched from the refrigerated section where he was alone and safe. He explained no one was interested in the refrigerated section because the food remaining there was now despoiled.

His perspective shifted again, and he found himself atop a high building, looking down at a great city. He thought it very much like Bangkok, if not Bangkok itself. There was obviously no power in the city, and he could hear people fighting each other everywhere. There was much screaming and shouting. After some time, he looked up to the Sun, and his perspective shifted yet again, this time to a beautiful, tree lined lake, where some people were drinking the water and many were fighting each other. Their fighting led to much water spillage, which was clearly draining the lake. Again, the perspective shifted, and now he saw a suburban fruit laden apple tree which was desperately contested by about a dozen people. In that struggle, he watched a large man pull a branch and thereby uproot the tree.

His perspective then returned to the supermarket, and then the building, the lake and the apple tree in turn. Only at the supermarket did he see any people, and now they were more animal-like, and did not speak, emitting only guttural groans as they clawed at each other for the last remaining food, which was a can under a shelf. The city scene was also changed and was now completely silent. As was the lake (which was now completely drained) and the apple tree (which now just a blackened stump).

The dream ended with the sighting of a bright light or beacon in the Indian Ocean which seemed to illuminate an area the size of Madagascar. As he beheld the light, the light moved toward my son and struck him between the eyes. He then woke up.

Without prompting, my son identified the key themes of the dream:

i) the lack of cooperation between people was the key driver of the 'fight to the finish' that followed the loss of power, and
ii) this struggle would lead to the complete degeneration of the survivors.

(On questioning, he shared his view that the dream showed developments over what he thought was a two year period. He estimated a 30% possibility the duration was two months, and a 10% possibility of two weeks. As such, he deemed the 2 year period as a 60% probability).

3. My sense of a 'dark turn' in UFOlogy is admittedly impressionistic. Your reponse startled me, and provoked me to think. This 'dark turn' I refer to is the complete disappearance of contactee cases from discussion. We no longer hear of enlightened space brothers, and the hopes that can give rise to.

[Bill Ryan]

The coming event, which is called a "micronova" in scientific terms, has been described in great detail by Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers, a scientist who is making it his life's work to prepare for and to awaken others.
[ ... ]
It seems clear that ETs are aware of this and have issued warnings.
Bring it on. I do think this is likely to happen. There have been too many straight-on warnings about this from a whole host of independent sources, human and otherwise.

The world can't continue the way that it is. Too many systems are broken, established in ways that can't be fixed. And too many people in authority are either close to being completely evil, astonishingly ignorant of realities, or (in some cases) both.

I think we have to start again, as we did 12,000 years ago — and maybe a few times before that as well.

[Bill Ryan]

This 'dark turn' I refer to is the complete disappearance of contactee cases from discussion. We no longer hear of enlightened space brothers, and the hopes that can give rise to.Grant Cameron, to his credit, has been insisting for years (almost alone!) that ufology needs to pay close attention to contactee and abductee reports, as those are the cases that stand a chance of helping us understand what's happening out there (and maybe also what's happening to us).

Leaked documents, yet more lights in the sky, and even retrieved ET hardware, autopsies, and bodies on ice all tell us little or nothing that's really important. (This is another example of how Richard Dolan — genuine great respect to him once again — has been taking ufology down something that's actually more of a cul-de-sac than a road to enlightenment.)

The benevolent ETs do exist. I'm 100% certain of that. But it's a whole galactic ecosystem out there (of course!), and I'm almost as certain (95%?) that there are various groups focusing on Planet Earth right now with very diverse agendas indeed.

[Casey Claar]

This 'dark turn' I refer to is the complete disappearance of contactee cases from discussion. We no longer hear of enlightened space brothers, and the hopes that can give rise to.Grant Cameron, to his credit, has been insisting for years (almost alone!) that ufology needs to pay close attention to contactee and abductee reports, as those are the cases that stand a chance of helping us understand what's happening out there (and maybe also what's happening to us).

Leaked documents, yet more lights in the sky, and even retrieved ET hardware, autopsies, and bodies on ice all tell us little or nothing that's really important. (This is another example of how Richard Dolan — genuine great respect to him once again — has been taking ufology down something that's actually more of a cul-de-sac than a road to enlightenment.)

The benevolent ETs do exist. I'm 100% certain of that. But it's a whole galactic ecosystem out there (of course!), and I'm almost as certain (95%?) that there are various groups focusing on Planet Earth right now with very diverse agendas indeed.

Ashva, I do almost nothing BUT speak of it, as well as help show everyone who they are. (https://consciousnessexploration.com/the-beings/) ( the galactic ecosystem Bill mentions )

It is much larger than most imagine.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I think we have to start again, as we did 12,000 years ago — and maybe a few times before that as well.

Thought the same for a long time. But I can't help but think it will do little good. Each time Humanity gets going, along comes the 'dark' [whoever or whatever that is] to blind and co-opt our hearts, our minds, our governments, our religions -- our entire civilization.

If there was a reset tomorrow, we'd regress to a primal state in next to no time. Then, being ripe for the picking, an 'outside agency' swoops in and latches itself on to us, and the cycle begins anew. Fast-forward 12,000 years and voila, we're in the same spot we find ourselves in right now. Again.

One way or another, Humanity must push over this hump and break the cycle. There's only one way that can be achieved in my opinion: a real, genuine 'great awakening', and on a soul level. I believe it's already underway and winning, in spite of the many efforts to put it back to sleep.

[onawah]

As I understand it, Earth is currently, by design, a school from which humanity does not graduate as a group.
Rather, individual souls progress individually and each in their own way, though there are soul groups which also learn and progress somewhat collectively.
Once a soul has learned all that is required to graduate from Earth school, that soul will no longer incarnate on Earth, unless it is to serve as a kind of Bodhisattva.
The most current science indicates that solar cycles are built into this solar system and are not altered by human activity, although human activity is very much affected by the Sun.
And that those cycles are not limited to our Sun.
The Central Sun of this galaxy is the source of those cycles, which issue periodically from thence, and on a specific, naturally occuring schedule.
At least, that has been the case for eons, and most likely will be for yet more eons to come.
update:I should add that some sources, such as the Anthroposophists (Rudolf Steiner) have postulated that planets also evolve in extended cycles, sometimes "ascending", sometimes "descending, so that fills out the picture to some extent as to what the souls incarnating on Earth experience at any given time, according to what cycle is ongoing.
The psychic Gigi Young is a student of Anthroposophy and her lectures include a lot of that information, which seems quite sensible and is not out of alignment with Theosophy and the ancient mysteries, just more elaborate.

[Ewan]

I think we have to start again, as we did 12,000 years ago — and maybe a few times before that as well.

Thought the same for a long time. But I can't help but think it will do little good. Each time Humanity gets going, along comes the 'dark' [whoever or whatever that is] to blind and co-opt our hearts, our minds, our governments, our religions -- our entire civilization.

If there was a reset tomorrow, we'd regress to a primal state in next to no time. Then, being ripe for the picking, an 'outside agency' swoops in and latches itself on to us, and the cycle begins anew. Fast-forward 12,000 years and voila, we're in the same spot we find ourselves in right now. Again.

One way or another, Humanity must push over this hump and break the cycle. There's only one way that can be achieved in my opinion: a real, genuine 'great awakening', and on a soul level. I believe it's already underway and winning, in spite of the many efforts to put it back to sleep.

100% agree.

But if we could reset with certain people maintaining the knowledge we already had - oh wait, that has happened before too! Sh1t we're truly damned!

Maybe there is a way out though, and it isn't following the white rabbit!

If you would like to know more just send $500 to made up account and I will reveal all to you personally!

Apologies, I am feeling particularly cynical tonight about the whole sh1t show.

[Rizotto]

Are there less reports of contactees or ET abductions? For how long has this decrease occurred? It seemed that just a few years ago the trend was that so many people reported having being abducted by ETs and their bodies subjected to various intrusive procedures, and possibly samples were taken from them. If there is a decrease of such reports lately, could it possibly have something to do with the fact that a large number of earth human population is now contaminated with the mRNA covid shots, their DNA is compromised, and even those people who didn't take the covid shots are contaminated by the 'shedding' from vaxed people.

[Bill Ryan]

Are there less reports of contactees or ET abductions?It's a very hard question to answer! If you'd had a recent abduction experience, who would you actually 'report' it to??

[Bill Ryan]

Leaked documents, yet more lights in the sky, and even retrieved ET hardware, autopsies, and bodies on ice all tell us little or nothing that's really important. (This is another example of how Richard Dolan — genuine great respect to him once again — has been taking ufology down something that's actually more of a cul-de-sac than a road to enlightenment.)Just a tiny bit more on this, rather in Richard Dolan's mitigation. :)

Yesterday I watched this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDpVb3x7ESo), a good new (6 days old) conference presentation from Richard about what the heck the ETs may be doing here. To his credit, he does mention David Jacobs' work, human-ET hybrids ('hubrids'), and much more. He lays out his case that it's all about our very rapid technological development, and the fact that 'we're about the enter their world'. It's a good presentation, as Richard's always are.

But, he does NOT mention (at all) —>


Time travel (are some of the ETs future humans who are returning to collect samples of healthy human DNA?)
The possibility of a near-future earth cataclysm that the ETs may know all about. (Richard must be aware of the many serious discussions of this. But I've never once heard him refer to it in any way.)

[ashva]

Whitley Strieber some years ago claimed that the abduction (and genetic harvesting) program essentially ended in the mid 1990s because it was complete.

He also claimed 'they' had a preference for Americans because of a lack of the sort of 'genetic scarring' which is much more prevalent in Europe.

[onawah]

Great detailed, far-ranging discussion.

Climate Change, The Great Disaster Cycle, Atlantis & More | The Culture War With Tim Pool
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Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers and Jimmy Corsetti ("Bright Insight") are guests on Tim Pool's show in a discussion about the science and historical accounts regarding the 12,000 solar cycles, the current magnetic pole reversal (or "geomagnetic excursion"), what that will cause within the next 2 decades or so, and what the cycle caused in past cycles, such as the sinking of Atlantis.

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update: Ben reports that the show last night on Tim Pool's Culture War broke the record for viewership.
(Imho, the first hour was epic, though the conversation got silly after that, with too much off-topic speculation.
Though it was very good to see Ben's and Jimmy Corsetti's work getting more much deserved exposure.
Lots and lots of high praise for Ben in the youtube comment section.
Hopefully, it will start a trend.)

[Rizotto]

Are there less reports of contactees or ET abductions?It's a very hard question to answer! If you'd had a recent abduction experience, who would you actually 'report' it to??

Good question. My first thought is that abductions should be reported to some law enforcement agency. But thinking about it for a minute, reporting an alien abduction might create even more problems for the abductee, who's likely to get shipped to a psych ward. However law enforcement was what the Pascagoula abductees choose to report to, and were believed in that case due to clever investigation by the cops. https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/07/13/pascagoula-ufo-alien-abduction-case-interview-recording-has-surfaced/3264064001/

I tried an internet search for an organization that takes reports of alien abduction. Google didn't list anything. But with the Yandex search engine several listings appeared. Here is just one example: https://abduct.com/

As for UFO reports, there are some organizations centered in the USA (mostly) that have been compiling such reports, such as MUFON. (There are several others.) Not sure if they accept abduction reports though.

[onawah]

Hi Bill,
I know I have been piling it on in regard to this issue and while it may seem a petty one to others, at the risk of repeating myself yet again, I think unwarranted compromises are being made here on Avalon and that sets a dangerous precedent.
Please have a listen to this https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dzg9twqZoOM (posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-Kim-Goguen-is-a-dangerous-fraud&p=1603511&viewfull=1#post1603511 )
...and tell us why, if you still don't agree that the pro-Kim Goguen thread should be in the "Channeled and Other Controversial Material" subforum.
It's part of a leaked conversation with Goguen and her regular consultants that lasted over 6 hours, but this video is a portion of only about an hour long.
It can be skipped through to save time once you hear the introduction and understand what's going on.
I recommend listening to the intro from Team Bubba, then skipping to 18 minutes 30 seconds in. And you won't want to miss the detailed, very instructive notes on the youtube page beginning with:

955 views Feb 9, 2024
Kim Goguen's situation report are based on Seers, channelling, clairvoyance & biofeedback readings - Part 1
Audio Description:
The audio being released today is an entire session with Kim and “the girls” dated 11-19-23 (Visitor to her door). The only bits silenced/muted are personal content. Family member names and health details etc. The rest of the chitchat remains along with the structure of the typical session.
The members are Kim, Lisa, Vera, Nancy who is the see’er/guides, Robin runs 2 biofeedback machines (anyone can buy-not special quantum anything), and Dawn does research. You will hear how Kim relies heavily on both the see’er and the biofeedback information for her intel she presents as her own on the SitReps.

You originally said that you didn't see the harm in the pro-Goguen thread when I first inquired, but I think that was because you were judging it solely by the UNN news subscription that Goguen is currently selling, which borrows directly from various other sources of info about current events.
But the information passed on supposedly by Goguen herself is largely based on her consulations with channelers, seers and biofeedback machines, as that recent youtube report proves conclusively, and not as she claims, from her direct connection with "Source Angels", ETs, etc.

(The news subscription service is shady in itself because the sources quoted are not being compensated, and that is illegal.
In any case, I thought that the rule is Avalon is not to be used to advertise products, but Goguen's Avalon fans are violating that rule, as ads for UNN subscriptions are displayed on their thread.
I can't see why exceptions are being made in this case.)

But again, the larger issue is that much of what that thread consists of and is based on is info passed on by Goguen herself, which in turn is directly resulting from her consultations with channelers, seers and biofeedback machines.
This is an important point because Avalon is not supposed to be serving as a venue for these kinds of hoaxes, particularly inasmuch as behind the scenes, many people have been making huge donations of money to Goguen's larger scams, and donating thousands of hours of volunteer work to bogus projects that have never amounted to anything.
At least if the thread is moved to the "Channeled and Other Controversial Material" subforum, it cannot be seen by non-members who might be taken in by the scams.
(Avalon members should have developed enough discernment to know better by now! )
Or better yet (as you yourself have admitted more than once) since Goguen is clearly a liar and scammer, I think it should finally just be removed from the forum altogether.
Thanks for your consideration.:flower:

PS Don't miss this parody that Sue just posted OUCH!!:croc: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74551-You-must-laugh-at-least-once-a-day&p=1603709&viewfull=1#post1603709

[ExomatrixTV]

...

Hi Bill, hope all is well, ... Have you ever considered writing a book? ... or even better, a "handbook" for conspiracy researchers full of practical tips & suggestions how to become a better researcher/educator.

Let's say you completed your first book around winter 2025, maybe even sooner! ... am convinced there are many who want to interview you about that new book (including me) and it is almost a guaranteed success in sales ... I will buy one and maybe even 2 or 3 >>> one for a good friend of mine (as a gift).


Every interview plus your vast network you already have will help promote your new book ... if you decide to write one :typing: that is, of course.

ps. If I was in your shoes and feel strong enough: emotionally/physically & spiritually, I would use some of your (unique!) content based writings that you already eloquently shared with us in the upcoming new book too >>> reaching much more people outside the Project Avalon circles/network.


Your new book may also trigger to have more new valued (active!) forum members (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=999) :Avalon: coming in too from around the world.

... and yes I am fully aware you told us that you do not do interviews anymore because everything that was needed to be told has already been done ... and you assumed, back then, you have nothing to add to the list of things you have already accomplished. <<< But that may change if your focus is not on us, nor anyone in the Project Avalon circles >>> but much more focus on all the new generation of people waking up! As far as I am aware, there are not many, maybe zero "handbook for conspiracy researchers" out there ... Like a "mentorship" new people can appreciate and desperately need.

And why should we "old veterans" still be very happy about that? ... Simple: It is not easy to "summarize" very complex topics, nor is it easy to have an uplifting grounded empowering effect for all new people dealing with (very) controversial topics ... Dare I say, it is a gift/art to do it in a manner that resonates on almost all levels of the spectrum.


A small part of the book may surprise old veteran conspiracy researchers too, as there are many new insights in the last 4 years we did not have before the "2020 hysteria (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism)".

Your new book (if it comes out) will still have an impact, long after we (old veterans) leave this earth-realm ... that I am sure of.


When truth resonates, ignorance dissipates, tyranny (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism) will (eventually) fall. :grouphug:


Almost all international "Avalonian psychics" can agree with me, that when you decide to make an effort to do this "writing a book project" (for all new people waking up) you will get support from "the other side" aka "spiritual world" in ways you never thought was possible ... Remember what David Icke (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118505-David-Icke-at-70-The-Vindication) said when he was spiritually guided before writing many books, he was told that: "One man cannot change the world, but one man can communicate the message that will change the world."

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://substack.com/@johnkuhles) 🦜🦋🌳
April 29+30th, 2024


14 years ago:

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youtube.com/@AlphaZebra/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@AlphaZebra/videos) :thumbsup:

[charlesfrith]

53033 This really got me interested in a new take on the UFO/UAP issue.
https://dai.ly/k4fGCJiAldkVXJAB1Vg

I've posted it as an experiment but I'm also confused. Why is this thread so much more quiet than it used to be?

Am I missing something.

Warm regards

Charles

[Agape]

Bill , happy Vesak ( Vaishakhi) Purnima , the Fullmoon day generally associated with Buddha’s birth, enlightenment and passing , falls on May 23 2024 this year in India.

Better days ahead and everything auspicious 🙏

Congratulations to the best place in the world
( and greetings to Mara).


May we all meet under the Starry skies.

🌕

[Johnnycomelately]

53033 This really got me interested in a new take on the UFO/UAP issue.
https://dai.ly/k4fGCJiAldkVXJAB1Vg

I've posted it as an experiment but I'm also confused. Why is this thread so much more quiet than it used to be?

Am I missing something.

Warm regards

Charles

Hi Charles. The 7 layers aspect of that onion (vid talk, “onion” is my interpretation) are interesting, and sound true-ish to me. Good luck with that.

As far as Bill’s participation here goes, seems he has a life. I want a life, DAMMIT! ~8D

[Moemers]

Hi Bill, do you still speak to Kerry, and do you look back on any of your Project Camelot interviewees certain that they were delusional and/or fantasists?Yes, I exchanged emails with with Kerry just yesterday, and she said that she was "doing great!" — the exclamation mark was hers. :)

Regarding my current view on the early Camelot interviews, the biggest mistake we made was with Pete Peterson. (Do see this Avalon thread: The Truth about 'Pete' Peterson, David Wilcock, the foreclosure, the dead cats, and GoFundMe (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99679-The-Truth-about-Pete-Peterson-David-Wilcock-the-foreclosure-the-dead-cats-and-GoFundMe).)

But this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113738-Discussion-on-the-reliability-of-alternative-media-sources-and-personas&p=1405597&viewfull=1#post1405597) might be interesting, on the thread titled Discussion on the reliability of alternative media sources and personas. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113738-Discussion-on-the-reliability-of-alternative-media-sources-and-personas) Slightly reformatted, this is what I wrote:

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From the time I was involved with Camelot (2006-12010), I've marked in red the interviews or videos I personally think can be disregarded. All the others are good, and a few are pretty important.



Aaron McCollum




hey I have a question that's been on my mind for a few weeks...specifically about this dude.

I remember after he made a splash on the scene he started carting around with a woman who they both claimed to be MKTalent/Monarch

Does anyone know what happened with that and was she legit?

Haven't seen yall in a loooooong time but I'm happy this place is still up and running.

[lunaflare]

Hello Bill,
I had to scroll through the pages to find your personal q n a page (6!).
I would very much appreciate your thoughts regarding the "conviction" of Donald Trump. I find the media coverage and lynching so deeply disturbing. I cannot watch it. His resilience, however, is unflinching. Have you had any further insights/visions regarding Mr T? Many thanks

[Bill Ryan]

Hello Bill,
I had to scroll through the pages to find your personal q n a page (6!).
I would very much appreciate your thoughts regarding the "conviction" of Donald Trump. I find the media coverage and lynching so deeply disturbing. I cannot watch it. His resilience, however, is unflinching. Have you had any further insights/visions regarding Mr T? Many thanksMany thanks for the question, and yes, that was quite some kangaroo court, a spectacle worthy of the old Soviet Union. :)

All I can really say with certainty — in my own view! — is that if the Deep State apparatus (which includes the entire Biden administration and their cohorts) is so hell-bent on trying to prevent Trump from being elected President, by fair means or foul, then he has to be worth supporting fully if only for that reason.

Like many others, I'm critical of Trump's apparent stance towards Israel, which is important. But as I've written elsewhere, it's not so much who Trump is — but who he isn't. Clearly, as the great George Carlin would have put it, he's not in "The Club". And that kind of makes him much more like "one of us".

He may not be the optimum 'answer', but he's by far the best answer that's available.

I remain as sure as I can be that all the attempted lawfare won't succeed in preventing him from being elected in November. But as many others have also pointed out, there have to be serious questions asked about whether that same Deep State apparatus will somehow do their utmost to orchestrate domestic and/or global events that would seek to justify the election being canceled or postponed.

The biggest picture seems to suggest that major national and/or global developments are already well-planned, on a fixed timeline which seems to be very important for some reason, which would be in danger of being derailed were Trump to be elected this year.

[HopSan]

All I can really say with certainty — in my own view! — is that if the Deep State apparatus (which includes the entire Biden administration and their cohorts) is so hell-bent on trying to prevent Trump from being elected President, by fair means or foul, then he has to be worth supporting fully if only for that reason.

Like many others, I'm critical of Trump's apparent stance towards Israel, which is important. But as I've written elsewhere, it's not so much who Trump is — but who he isn't. Clearly, as the great George Carlin would have put it, he's not in "The Club". And that kind of makes him much more like "one of us".


I'd add and remind, for those who are skeptical of 'Q'. I never read everything he/they wrote, but one of many things that were INTERESTING, was something like: [Of enemies, to be taken down,] "Israel shall be last".

Trump (if real) may have had to bow for temporarily stronger powers, just as Putin did in his early years.

A really big game is happening, far beyond the surface.

[Admins: This might better belong to some other thread. Move freely, as you feel right.]