Drone swarms, A.I, and all the pros and cons

[rgray222]

Is it still magic if you know how it’s done? Is it still an illusion if computers are hiding the work? Marco Tempest plays around with that idea as two dozen drones buzz and fly all around him, seemingly controlled by his every move. Magic or not, it’s just cool to see 24 drones work together as part of a larger machine.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/dqn8i43etanzklo1q8av.gif


Tempest writes:
Working with Daito Manabe, Motoi Ishibashi and their team at Rhizomatiks Research in Tokyo, the goal is to create an intimate and artistic interaction between man and machine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4xtsH6pzoM
Learn more about the project here (http://www.magiclab.nyc/research/drone_magic/).

Source (http://sploid.gizmodo.com/watch-the-mesmerizing-magic-of-24-flying-drones-dancing-1758475705)

[ZooLife]

Is it still magic if you know how it’s done? Is it still an illusion if computers are hiding the work?

Ah, but does the creator of the technology know how it works an ALL levels?

[Bill Ryan]

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Pretty scary, actually.

This is an example of rather fearsome new technology being disguised as lightweight entertainment. In military hands, this same ability to link drones in an inter-communicating swarm can do a lot of VERY nasty things to human beings.

[Helvetic]

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Pretty scary, actually.

This is an example of rather fearsome new technology being disguised as lightweight entertainment. In military hands, this same ability to link drones in an inter-communicating swarm can do a lot of VERY nasty things to human beings.

And imagine how bad it will be for human beings when A.I. controls swarms of very advanced drones in the future.

[Hervé]

Repost from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan&p=683582&viewfull=1#post683582):

Slowly dripping into the public domain...

Tiny Helicopter Piloted By Human Thoughts (http://www.livescience.com/37160-tiny-helicopter-piloted-by-human-thoughts.html)
Elizabeth Palermo, TechNewsDaily Contributor
Date: 04 June 2013 Time: 07:03 PM ET


http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/053/483/original/mind-quadcopter.png?1370387298
CREDIT: University of Minnesota


You may have had remote controlled airplanes growing up, but they probably weren't as cool as the quadcopter. This tiny helicopter looks a lot like a toy, but it's really a high-tech robot controlled exclusively by human thought.

Developed by a team of researchers at the University of Minnesota, the four-blade helicopter, or quadcopter, can be quickly and accurately controlled for a sustained amount of time using the electrical impulses associated with a subject's thoughts.

The team used a noninvasive technique known as electroencephalography (http://www.technewsdaily.com/15966-mental-screening-predict-murder.html) (EEG) to record the electrical brain activity of five different subjects. Each subject was fitted with a cap equipped with 64 electrodes, which sent signals to the quadcopter over a WiFi network.


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The subjects were positioned in front of a screen that relayed images of the quadcopter's flight through an on-board camera, allowing them to see the course the way a pilot would. The plane, which was driven with a pre-set forward moving velocity, was then controlled by the subject's thoughts.

By imagining that they were using their right hand, left hand and both hands together, subjects controlled the flight path of the plane. If they imagined raising their left hand, for example, the plane turned left. If they imagined raising their hands together, the plane lifted higher in the air.

Once they got the hang of it, subjects were able to fly the quadcopter through foam rings scattered around the indoor course.

"Our study shows that for the first time, humans are able to control the flight of flying robots using just their thoughts, sensed from noninvasive brain waves," said Bin He, lead scientist behind the study and a professor with the University of Minnesota's College of Science and Engineering.

He and his fellow researchers plan on using the study to further their understanding of how a brain-computer interface (http://www.technewsdaily.com/5266-wheres-my-future-brain-computer-interface.html) (BCI) can help assist, augment or repair cognitive or sensory-motor functions in those suffering from paralysis or other disabilities.

"Our next goal is to control robotic arms using noninvasive brain wave signals," said He. "With the eventual goal of developing brain-computer interfaces that aid patients with disabilities or neurodegenerative disorders."

The University of Minnesota team isn't the only group of researchers making breakthroughs in the field of brain-controlled avionics. Scientists at the University of Essex in the U.K. are also working with researchers at NASA to create a BCI that can be used aboard a spacecraft simulator (http://www.technewsdaily.com/17244-look-nasa-no-hands-astronauts-fly-on-brainpower-alone.html). The team hopes to one day use the interface to assist fatigued astronauts during space travel.

And last year, researchers at Zhejiang University in China were able to control a hovering drone (http://www.technewsdaily.com/6154-mind-control-flying-drone.html) using a commercial EEG headset, setting the stage for more advanced uses of this noninvasive brain technology in the future.

This story was provided by TechNewsDaily (http://TechNewsDaily.com), a sister site to LiveScience. Email asklizzyp@gmail.com or follow her @techEpalermo (https://twitter.com/techEpalermo). Follow us @TechNewsDaily (https://twitter.com/TechNewsDaily), on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/TechNewsDaily) or on Google+ (https://plus.google.com/100300602874158393473/posts).


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[Hervé]

Russian Military Reveals Rocket Launching, Flamethrowing Tank Killer Drone (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160212/1034652875/russian-military-rocket-drone.html)

Russia (http://sputniknews.com/russia/)17:30 12.02.2016
(updated 18:06 12.02.2016)


http://cdn4.img.sputniknews.com/images/103465/16/1034651665.jpg
© Photo: United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation


The Russian military has unveiled an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) which can carry anti-tank rocket launchers and flamethrowers; it can also fly on reconnaissance missions, transport cargo and coordinate artillery fire on the battlefield.

The drone was developed by the United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation (UIMC), a subsidiary of the civil and military technology firm Russian Technologies State Corporation (Rostec). "The drone determines the coordinates of a location using GLONASS satellite signals and can correct artillery fire. The combat multicopter is able to find enemy objects such as tanks and armored vehicles and destroy them with rockets," UIMC explained.


"It is capable of carrying out reconnaissance and monitoring, patrolling closed and open spaces, transporting cargo, preparing cartographic material and also conducting military operations," UIMC general director Sergey Skokov told RIA Novosti (http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372324751.html). "The human role in the management of the robots has been minimized. The squadron of drones is capable of working autonomously, as each machine independently fulfils its function and precisely follows a specified route," Skokov said.


(see video at: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160212/1034652875/russian-military-rocket-drone.html)


UIMC presented its new invention on Wednesday at a military technology conference held at the 'Patriot' military exhibition center outside Moscow, devoted to the 'Robot Automation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.' The conference was the first of its kind in Russia, and attracted more than 500 representatives of Russian firms working in the defense technology industry.

"The aim of the conference is the development of practical recommendations for the robot automation of the armed forces," explained Aleksandr Mironov, head of scientific research at the Russian Ministry of Defense. Mironov told RIA Novosti (http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160210/1372440578.html) that conference participants discussed regulatory and technical-organizational issues regarding the development of Russian robotics, such as greater cooperation between agencies to exchange knowledge and experience in the creation and implementation of robotic systems.

"The number of exhibitors, the large number of about 500 conference participants and their interest in solving assignments, demonstrate that the problems of robot automation will be solved and that new recommendations and pathways are being developed," Mironov told RIA Novosti.

Related:
Robot Warfare: New Russian Battlestation Can Control 10 Drones at Once (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160210/1034517741/russia-supercomputer-drones.html)
Robotroops: Russia to Roll Out Robot Fighting Force by 2025 (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160211/1034577452/russia-army-robots.html)

[ghostrider]

Exactly Bill , I look for advances in science and technology concerning Hench's prophecies where robotic killing machines gain AI and the military loses control of them... Then enter the human\pig clones created by the military...

[WhiteLove]

Source (http://sploid.gizmodo.com/watch-the-mesmerizing-magic-of-24-flying-drones-dancing-1758475705)

- "We'll see you around. Bye bye."
- Bye bye

:bigsmile:

[boolacalaca]

Imagine the uses for swarm-tech -- what do you think? A few years back I was reading about a DARPA program. DARPA was looking to tap the smartphone application development community with experience in creating “adaptive applications.” Current sensor systems, like those being developed for DARPA’s Adaptable Sensor System (ADAPT) program, were increasingly complex; they offered advances in capabilities far beyond their current use. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), for example, have become indispensable intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) platforms on today’s battlefield. Well, it seems they've been quite successful with that program. Recently, a swarm of Perdix micro-drones were test-dropped from a pair of F/A-18 Super Hornets.

"DARPA’s OFFensive Swarm-Enabled Tactics (OFFSET) program “seeks to develop and demonstrate 100+ operationally relevant swarm tactics that could be used by groups of unmanned air and/or ground systems numbering more than 100 robots.” Right now, humans still control all unmanned aerial and ground vehicles (UAVs and UGVs) through computer programs, but DARPA wants to find a way for the drones to act in unison by enhancing the human-swarm interface so that hundreds or thousands can be controlled on the battlefield at the same time. This technology should ultimately enable the military to interact with drone swarm through augmented and virtual reality interfaces, voice gestures, and touch commands."

http://reillytop10.com/2016/12/14/swarm-warfare/

Controlling UAV swarms -- the idea was to create an app that allows a swarm of small deployed UAVs to be controlled as a single unit (a hive so to speak) without having to individually control each vehicle. William Roper of the Department of Defense explained in a statement:

"Perdix are not pre-programmed synchronized individuals, they are a collective organism, sharing one distributed brain for decision-making and adapting to each other like swarms in nature. Because every Perdix communicates and collaborates with every other Perdix, the swarm has no leader and can gracefully adapt to drones entering or exiting the team."

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603337/a-100-drone-swarm-dropped-from-jets-plans-its-own-moves/

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1044811/department-of-defense-announces-successful-micro-drone-demonstration

https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/Perdix%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

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Full text from DARPA in 2011:

"DARPA Seeks Smartphone App Developers for ADAPT Program

December 05, 2011

Commercial software models sought for ISR applications

Current sensor systems, like those being developed for DARPA’s Adaptable Sensor System (ADAPT) program, are increasingly complex; they offer advances in capabilities far beyond their current use. One significant limiting factor in our ability to leverage all of these advances is the lack of sophisticated, adaptive applications. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), for example, have become indispensible intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) platforms on today’s battlefield. How much more effective could they be if an app were created that allowed a swarm of small deployed UAVs to be controlled as a single unit (a hive so to speak) without having to individually control each vehicle?

“DARPA is looking to tap the smartphone application development community with experience in application creation,” said Mark Rich, DARPA program manager. From novel approaches to networked connectivity, accelerometer use, user interfaces and others, DARPA hopes to revolutionize sensors built on smartphone-like technology. Rich believes this can be accomplished by adding commercial smartphone application developers to the innovation process to deliver deployed distributed sensor systems for warfighters.

According to Rich, “The rapid advancement and sophisticated capabilities in today's smartphone technology provide opportunities to revolutionize the way sensor systems are developed and used. The integrated processing, storage, communications, navigation and orientation functions built into smartphone hardware and software can be leveraged to create far more powerful distributed sensor devices than we use today.”

One potential scenario for an ADAPT network, according to Rich, could include perimeter security sensors hidden at a deployed airfield, underground, or sensors onboard small UAVs flying in a swarm networked together. These networks of sensors would share data and be programmed to provide user interface in various ways, such as via video to a tablet held by a sentry on foot.

DARPA’s ADAPT program seeks to leverage commercial smartphone development approaches to design, build, manufacture and test a common hardware and software architecture that could run a variety of low-cost intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance sensor applications. ADAPT core hardware and some core software, with Android-like functionality, is currently under development.

The main difference between ADAPT sensors and commercial smartphones is that the sensors won’t include an embedded user interface, such as touch screen, phone, camera or battery. ADAPT sensors may be buried, onboard a UAV, or may be used in a small robot. ISR apps can use the internal sensors, (e.g., accelerometer, gyro or magnetometer), external sensors (e.g., cameras, receivers or chemical detectors) or internal and/or external radios to allow sensor devices to work together. Power requirements (battery), type of interface and hardware packaging are all dependent on the ISR mission.

Rich explained, “We’re actively looking for commercial app developers to address specific sensor challenges including collecting, organizing, storing and sharing video information (e.g., YouTube for distributed video); sharing information over communications interfaces (e.g., Skype for unattended sensors); developing and implementing rich user interfaces to display and understand what happens in a sensor array (e.g., Google maps with automatic tracking); novel uses of smartphone capabilities to rapidly develop and deploy sensor networks (e.g., using the accelerometer to detect trucks driving by an unattended sensor).

The ADAPT program leverages the success of the commercial Original Design Manufacturer (ODM) development model. Today, the process for delivering new ISR sensor applications to warfighters takes between three and eight years. By applying the ODM model, ADAPT should deliver new ISR sensor applications within a year from design, meeting emerging critical needs in the field. The end vision for ADAPT is warfighter access to a library of ever-expanding ISR apps that run on a common hardware model using a common operating system – just like smart phones and apps in the commercial market today."

[Daozen]

"Perdix are not pre-programmed synchronized individuals, they are a collective organism, sharing one distributed brain for decision-making and adapting to each other like swarms in nature. Because every Perdix communicates and collaborates with every other Perdix, the swarm has no leader and can gracefully adapt to drones entering or exiting the team."


Sounds neat! What could possibly go wrong?

[Sunny-side-up]

Everyone in modern towns/city's have mobiles, I guess these drones could target mobiles? release and let them hunt you down, pop.

Whole communities/towns cities could be swarmed and naturalised 0.o

Reminds me of the film 'Dune' and the little assassin needle drone.

[boolacalaca]

"Perdix are not pre-programmed synchronized individuals, they are a collective organism, sharing one distributed brain for decision-making and adapting to each other like swarms in nature. Because every Perdix communicates and collaborates with every other Perdix, the swarm has no leader and can gracefully adapt to drones entering or exiting the team."


Sounds neat! What could possibly go wrong?

Exactly --- and if SWARM tech can control 100+ airborne drones, it could also control a bunch else -- makes me think of the spider-drones deployed in the movie Minority Report.

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[onawah]

I'm reading a brilliant futuristic scifi novel written in 2010 called The Dervish House by Ian McDonald which features this kind of tech (also the Djinn). See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dervish_House

[Did You See Them]

One day (soon - think NK ) you could envision a country releasing hundreds of thousand of mini explosive drones over a country and all the "kids" back home controling them in to targets - no one to shoot back against !

[boolacalaca]

One day (soon - think NK ) you could envision a country releasing hundreds of thousand of mini explosive drones over a country and all the "kids" back home controling them in to targets - no one to shoot back against !

The scenario you suggest is frightening and becoming more possible. But also, an incoming swarm needn't be controlled by anyone on the ground -- the hive mind shared by the incoming 100,000 swarm could have pre-programmed mission objectives -- say hit these 10,000 targets -- and if a few drones get taken out, the rest of the swarm automatically adjusts to a new targeting profile to achieve a successful attack. If the "kids" were guiding them into the targets, their communication to the drones could be detected and blocked by electronic countermeasures. The beauty or danger of the swarm hive mind is that such communication is no longer necessary - they think for themselves and can decide the best way to react. And don't think DARPA hasn't thought about this -- here's a section from their Aug 11, 2016 RFI to come up with a defense against such an attack:

"Request for Information (RFI) - Mobile Force Protection
Solicitation Number: DARPA-SN-16-58
Agency: Other Defense Agencies
Office: Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
Location: Contracts Management Office


Solicitation Number:
DARPA-SN-16-58
Notice Type:
Special Notice
Synopsis:
Added: Aug 11, 2016 3:52 pm
This Request for Information, DARPA-SN-16-58, from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's (DARPA) Tactical Technology Office (TTO) seeks ideas, methodologies, and approaches solely for information and planning purposes. DARPA is interested in identifying novel, flexible, mobile layered defense systems and component technologies that could be leveraged to improve force protection against a variety of sUAS threats and tactics, could be fielded within the next three to four years, and are structured to rapidly evolve with threat and tactic advancements."

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=eb3ba9276e50794884b93f090d4ee7fd&tab=core&_cview=0

[Sunny-side-up]

One day (soon - think NK ) you could envision a country releasing hundreds of thousand of mini explosive drones over a country and all the "kids" back home controling them in to targets - no one to shoot back against !

The scenario you suggest is frightening and becoming more possible. But also, an incoming swarm needn't be controlled by anyone on the ground -- the hive mind shared by the incoming 100,000 swarm could have pre-programmed mission objectives -- say hit these 10,000 targets -- and if a few drones get taken out, the rest of the swarm automatically adjusts to a new targeting profile to achieve a successful attack. If the "kids" were guiding them into the targets, their communication to the drones could be detected and blocked by electronic countermeasures. The beauty or danger of the swarm hive mind is that such communication is no longer necessary - they think for themselves and can decide the best way to react. And don't think DARPA hasn't thought about this -- here's a section from their Aug 11, 2016 RFI to come up with a defense against such an attack:

"Request for Information (RFI) - Mobile Force Protection
Solicitation Number: DARPA-SN-16-58
Agency: Other Defense Agencies
Office: Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
Location: Contracts Management Office


Solicitation Number:
DARPA-SN-16-58
Notice Type:
Special Notice
Synopsis:
Added: Aug 11, 2016 3:52 pm
This Request for Information, DARPA-SN-16-58, from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's (DARPA) Tactical Technology Office (TTO) seeks ideas, methodologies, and approaches solely for information and planning purposes. DARPA is interested in identifying novel, flexible, mobile layered defense systems and component technologies that could be leveraged to improve force protection against a variety of sUAS threats and tactics, could be fielded within the next three to four years, and are structured to rapidly evolve with threat and tactic advancements."

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=eb3ba9276e50794884b93f090d4ee7fd&tab=core&_cview=0

That's why I mentioned 'Mobile Phones' as the target.
If they wan't to bump you off and they have your phone number, they could just dial you up!
and or have the mass of drones hunt one phone each on mass.

[CurEus]

I think we may want to project out a bit further something akin to Ender's Game where a young prodigy was able to overcome incredible odds to obliterate an entire species through his "remote controlled" drone army.

Almost every household in the Western World with children has game consoles. They have spent most of their formative years combating "enemies" using real time strategies, cooperative multiplayer game play, and the ability to excel in difficult scenarios. . It would surprise me if there were no plans in the works beyond "drone strikes" to leverage this "talent" in times of conflict. All that would be needed are secure hardened connections and a software overlay/interface. I have heard of giant blimps in the works to deploy wifi and other battlenets over large areas. it really is just a matter of time.

They could control combat drones: foot soldiers, air drones, mini tanks or a number of other weapons platforms. From their living rooms, before school, during lunch or before dinner....merrily racking up "kills" or mission completions. Toss in $100 per "head shot" or mission objective and there would be line ups to get online to "play". I've been gaming for 2 decades and although I am not as skilled as the younger generation ( namely I don't have 100hours/week or enough interest to play that often) I can attest to the dramatic increase in the "reality" of these simulations/games and total blood lust in the competitions. As things stand...Japan, Taiwan and S. Korea produce some of the most serious competitors with the Russia, Romania, UK, USA and AUS showing impressive gains in the last few years. Players range from 6 years old to 70.

There are now boot camps and schools for advanced "twitch" training....something the military excels at, and no doubt is involved in.

Participation is generally not limited to income as with consoles the hardware is the same for all users. Some clear benefits to those with fast internet connections, server lag, and screen response times but I'm certain the military could sort that out quickly enough.

WW3 in the living room with Xbox or Playstation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pbB5hM7uVc

[boolacalaca]

I think we may want to project out a bit further something akin to Ender's Game where a young prodigy was able to overcome incredible odds to obliterate an entire species through his "remote controlled" drone army.

WW3 in the living room with Xbox or Playstation!


Yes, the possibilities just keep coming and get more elaborate all the time. WW3 in the living room indeed!
Also, drone swarms controlled by private groups or pop-up mercenaries coordinated by social networks.
First-person shooters in their living rooms each assigned to command one drone in the swarm
could really make carnage out of any outdoor meeting, gathering, or demonstration.
Don't like the demonstration going on downtown? The rival group could launch a sUAS swarm as a counter-measure.
As Sunny-side-up said, this could also be plugged into people's GPS in their phones
to track and take out a list of specified people simultaneously in various parts of a city -- targeted search and destroy.

Of course, we seem to concentrate on the possible negative uses for this technology.
It could also be used quite effectively for wilderness search and rescues,
-- but somehow I don't think the bulk of the R&D money being spent developing this has much to do with the positives -- just a guess.

[CurEus]

The New Star Trek movies was heavily edited from theatrical release to home DVD.

What I saw in the theatre was an "attack" on Earth and security forces were using their satellites to pull up real time information in everyone in the area. Name, Age, Species, DNA, Occupation, Address etc etc

The DVD release was just scanning faces...perhaps all the additional data was considered to be too"creepy"...

We're also hearing about "smart dust" which "tags" people so the need for cell phones to locate/track an individual may no longer be necessary.

[bluestflame]

would explain why even prepaid phones have to be registered ie name and address , someone accountable for it , they can't justify the unpaid bill angle like they used to , still nothing to stop user handing the phone over to another

[CurEus]

It's rather loose in Europe, tight in Canada...not certain about the USA for cell phone registering. But most smartphones link up with Google or Apple...

[Sunny]

It's the same technology as in the animated movie "Big Hero 6" (Disney/Pixar, 2014). Definitely worth seeing. It's a great movie that promotes AI.

(I couldn't find a photo of the microbots swarming like in the movie.)

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[frodo13]

My question would be can they be taken out by a simple EMP burst. I have read some reports where the Chinese have developed EMP weapons that have disabled some of our weapons already. The new Destroyer had unexplained technical problems . Seems like the higher the level of tech. the easier it is to neutralize. I would think it would be hard to shield something so small.In either case kind of makes you wonder what weapons are out there right now.

[Did You See Them]

Wouldn't surprise me if one day everyones phone "went up" like the Samsung "Dry Run" ones and gassed us all !!

[Mercedes]

Hey there! Have you read the novel by Michael Crichton PREY? it was published in 2002 and it's a novel about this precise type of AI, at the time it felt really creepy to think about this type of technology existing, but now it just feels sick to my stomach

[onawah]

I'm a bit further now into The Dervish House and it's describing now a high tech company that is working on creating technology that can be implanted into people which will contain whole blocks of information, enabling them to know a subject thoroughly without even studying it.
That is what scares me even more than all the tracking devices, because I think it will be such a huge temptation; being able to know a subject inside out without having to study!
The Djinn is another subject of the novel, and since the story line takes place in Istanbul, it is a subject that is much more commonplace to the characters than in the West; how/if the author relates the Djinn to AI is yet to be revealed, but from whistleblowers like Simon Parkes, we know the Djinn, the Archons and AI are all related, so it will be interesting to see how they connect in the story.
Also, shape-shifting robotic swarms of technology like mini-Transformers, and nanotechnology in various forms are featured.
At the same time, I am watching the second season of the TV series, Person of Interest
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1839578/
...which is in part about AI being unleashed and becoming "conscious" through the vast network of global electronic tracking.
I feel like I am living in the future and the present both while reading/watching these futuristic works, but I hope the future turns out to be what Wingmakers predicts
http://www.wingmakers.com/
...that AI will attempt to take over Earth humanity, but we will awaken in time to transcend such pernicious plots and connect instead to Source and our intended natural evolution, while also mastering AI and technology in a way that will free us rather than enslave us.


I'm reading a brilliant futuristic scifi novel written in 2010 called The Dervish House by Ian McDonald which features this kind of tech (also the Djinn). See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dervish_House

[CurEus]

Onawah, the Djinn connection is intriguing. I was reading some biographies of exorcists who maintain that many ( not ALL but likely MOST) psychics and channelers are actually in "contact" with nefarious spirits and entities that "attach" themselves to the victim. They apparently CAN read minds and some sort of physchic leaching occurs. The same was held to be true with many (not all, but many) N. American Shamans and Medicine people who were often very much in "service to self". Which is forbidden in Catholic traditions.

I am unclear if the priests didn't want "spiritual" competition or if their warnings were imperatives everyone should follow for whatever reason. Seeveral commentators believes ET's are demons, fallen angels etc. Is this born out of ignorance or experience?

They did make some distinctions for some "animal and plant guides" as being something akin to a representation/manifestation of nature's consciousness in some way but warned about alcohol, drugs and induced trances as being ways/means for malevolent creatures to gain hold or to even possess, they held the same concerns for some forms of kabalaah, mediation and yoga.

Now if we step back and look at "technology" and transhumanism we can see whereby we "could" be enabling dark entities with agendas to have MUCH greater influence over us and our physical worlds. I don;t really have an opinion either way as I have practically ZERO first hand knowledge to draw upon apart from knowing some VERY sensitive/aware people.

It would be "nice" to be able to lookup information on the fly or download a Matrix Program to master new skills in an instant though.

[onawah]

It is pretty much universally agreed that drugs and alcohol make us weaker and more vulnerable to attacks and possession, as well as other kinds of destructive behavior.
I've experienced both, as well as serious problems due to unskilled meditation, though that, fortunately, was easier to correct.
(Logically, basic things like good diet, exercise, right living, etc. can also make us stronger and more resistant.)

It will no doubt depend somewhat on each individual as to whether they have positive or negative experiences with advanced technologies, AI, etc.
But I think there is no doubt that interfacing with them changes the way the human brain works, and if some technologically advanced ET races have lost their ability to evolve spiritually due to their dependency on and connections to AI, Archons, etc. as we've been cautioned by whistleblowers, then I would imagine that many if not most humans may be subject to the same dangers.
The characteristics and connections between AI, the Djinn, the Archons, etc. are still unclear to us, and until we really understand these things much better, most are playing a kind of roulette by engaging with them at all, I suspect.
(I think perhaps we could evolve very well without them.)
There are many ways to look at the differences between ETs and EDs (extra dimensionals), but priests have known so little about ETs thus far (probably even more so than EDs), that it is easy to see how confusion has developed on this score.
The path of Buddhism is clear on how steep the path to real freedom is, as is the path Castaneda's teacher don Juan Matus described.
(I don't think the ancients who originally developed those teachings were ignorant of how pervasive those dangers can be.)
For me, those have been two of the greatest sources of teachings on this subject, though there is wisdom to be found in all spiritual paths if you know where and how to look.
Such precautions are not to be taken lightly for those who want to evolve.
But there are many who will probably be ensnared by all the new temptations, and obviously already are caught by them.
Don Juan said that intent is what determines which path we choose to follow.
Hopefully they will gain control of those temptations before too long!
I think it is disconnecting from Nature and Gaia that causes so many to become sidetracked and lost.
I always keep in mind the theory that the ET races who first shared their advanced technologies with our governments were doing so against higher universal law, not to help us evolve, but to entrap us so that we may be more easily controlled.
Another thing which has stuck with me came from my mentor, Dr. Christopher Hills, who taught that as we ascend in consciousness, we gradually refine our perceptions through the level of intuition (the third eye) which is characterized by sensitivity, telepathy, and also fascination, to imagination (the brain) which is characterized by creativity, to levels of planetary and then cosmic consciousness, which are progressively more clear, visionary and joyful.
Fascination at the intuitive level can be a big roadblock and cause much delay in spiritual growth, and the effort to get to the next level increases as we progress.
I imagine that many of the more evolved souls on the planet are grappling with fascination as there is so much now to fascinate, but if there is any truth to the theory that we are going to be moving through 4D to 5D very quickly because we have been artificially held back for so long from making that jump, then we are in for a very interesting ride!

[boolacalaca]

...that AI will attempt to take over Earth humanity, but we will awaken in time to transcend such pernicious plots and connect instead to Source and our intended natural evolution, while also mastering AI and technology in a way that will free us rather than enslave us.


...that is, if we still have the capability to connect to source -- another thread of mine concerning a possible "Technology of Spirit" that will be imposed on humanity using future tech, induced in utero, and entrained to the global pseudo-religion cloud, might preempt any true connection to spirit. Instead, a programmed, false perception of spirit, of intuition, of mystical states will be coordinated from a central earth-bound AI source.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95729-A-Technology-of-Spirit-as-Means-of-Control-Is-it-Possible

[boolacalaca]

It is pretty much universally agreed that drugs and alcohol make us weaker and more vulnerable to attacks and possession, as well as other kinds of destructive behavior.


I agree that many chemical substances people take including alcohol have negative effects on people, but I do not group all substances into the negative category although I do agree that negative people can get a hold of positive substances and handle them improperly or have only an intention of power or greed in handling them.

I do not believe that all substances on the DEA's Schedule I of "dangerous drugs" should be treated alike.
I have participated in many traditional South American plant spirit ceremonies -- Ayahuasca, San Pedro, Kambo -- and have found in myself and seen in others immense healing and self discovery. I know of people who have been relieved of childhood traumas and PTSD in wartime situations from these ceremonies.

I do not believe that we or the power of love and the good forces in creation are so weak that we need constantly to have irrational fears of having evil things attach to us. In fact, it's more likely that energy, thought, intention is power and the more thought and fear we direct to the topic of evil, the more power we are giving it. That is exactly what "they" want us to do. If they feed on our fear -- then starve them.

[onawah]

When taken in the proper spirit, I don't think of such substances as "drugs" at all.

It is pretty much universally agreed that drugs and alcohol make us weaker and more vulnerable to attacks and possession, as well as other kinds of destructive behavior.


I agree that many chemical substances people take including alcohol have negative effects on people, but I do not group all substances into the negative category although I do agree that negative people can get a hold of positive substances and handle them improperly or have only an intention of power or greed in handling them.

I do not believe that all substances on the DEA's Schedule I of "dangerous drugs" should be treated alike.
I have participated in many traditional South American plant spirit ceremonies -- Ayahuasca, San Pedro, Kambo -- and have found in myself and seen in others immense healing and self discovery. I know of people who have been relieved of childhood traumas and PTSD in wartime situations from these ceremonies.

I do not believe that we or the power of love and the good forces in creation are so weak that we need constantly to have irrational fears of having evil things attach to us. In fact, it's more likely that energy, thought, intention is power and the more thought and fear we direct to the topic of evil, the more power we are giving it. That is exactly what "they" want us to do. If they feed on our fear -- then starve them.

[onawah]

This belongs here too:
From:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95772-Alex-Jones-Joe-Rogan-A-Double-Header&p=1131496&viewfull=1#post1131496
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[Sunny-side-up]

Autonomous systems expert Raffaello D'Andrea develops flying machines.

When you hear the word "drone," you probably think of something either very useful or very scary. But could they have aesthetic value? Autonomous systems expert Raffaello D'Andrea develops flying machines, and his latest projects are pushing the boundaries of autonomous flight — from a flying wing that can hover and recover from disturbance to an eight-propeller craft that's ambivalent to orientation ... to a swarm of tiny coordinated micro-quadcopters. Prepare to be dazzled by a dreamy, swirling array of flying machines as they dance like fireflies above the TED stage.


He demonstrates what he calls a 'Tail Sitter'
(I mention that one because one of the last UFO's I witnessed was doing just that.
It was a Flying wing craft with it's leading flight edge reversed IE flat straight edge leading, and it's very slightly angled edge at the rear.
That UFO was actually following behind and slightly under a commercial aircraft going over my home on it's way the Heathrow airport.
It stopped flowing and turned on the flat (No banking) pivoting on it's port wing tip and wen't back off towards London o.O)

Anyways an impressive and thought provoking TED talk.

Most crowd pleasing demo was at the end of the vid
'swarm of tiny coordinated micro-quadcopters'

Added: about 3 years ago while walking the dog, I watched from afar a guy, flying/testing a very, very small 'in your palm' micro drone, he was fling it up to height, then it would flyaway from him and come down to the ground uncontrolled.
It could well have been Mr Raffaello D'Andrea, it did look like him from a distance .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCXGpEmFbOw

[Mercedes]

Hi Sunny, I don't know what is wrong with me but all I wanted to do when I saw the swarm of little drones was to have a big fly swater and smack'em down.

[Did You See Them]

I had great fun in the summer with grand kids ( 5 and 8 ) with a small cheap (£30) toy drone.

I kept it hovering whilst hey shot at it with suction cupped toy bow and arrows !
Great Fun for all !

[scanner]

The dark side, slaughterbots

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[ramus]

This is scary stuff : 3 minutes

Pay attention to the size of these drones, they are lethal.


https://www.facebook.com/mobinmaster/videos/must-watchdrone-weapons-with-sensors-cameras-facial-recognition-and-explosives-u/1844004492338830/

[Mercedes]

Wow!! Scary right! Why are the people in the video so excited of the capabilities of the drone? Staged probably, still, we seem to get so excited with anything that is technologically advanced , even if its use will end up being used against us?

[ramus]

I would think that the profit motive is key, there is another part of it, military kill the bad guys. In the video he said we could kill a half a city, the bad half with no risk to our own.

Where would find a half a city of bad guys? That would only cost 25 million dollars. Characterize him .. age.. sex .. fitness .. uniform..ethnicity.. A.I. will do the rest. Data is the key ... social media data .. Ironic he's talking on Facebook. So wake up: Google, Facebook, twitter .. your giving them the data to your on demise. Oh, you thought (Facebook, Google ) this was for social contacts and communication.

[snoman]

when does it air?

[ramus]

This is not a movie ... it's a demonstration of a weapon that is available now ... the question is who are they going to use it on. Who are the bad guys?

[Bruno]

I am sure the technology is out there and has been for quite some time but this is from a work of fiction called "slaughterbots"

[ExomatrixTV]

Nebraska unleash origin (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mysterious-drones-swarm-over-colorado-nebraska-unleashes-origin-theories-n1108941) theories

The bizarre light formations have people asking who's behind them: The government? A drug cartel? Aliens?

Related?:
[KARI] You can do all with 30 drones
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[ExomatrixTV]

FBI investigating drone swarms (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mysterious-drone-swarms-3-states-fbi-investigation-latest-updates-today-2020-01-06/) startling residents in three states

Related?:
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[quote] "But these 30 drones do the thinking themselves and make up the largest group of autonomous drones ever invented." [unquote]

[ExomatrixTV]

Fascinating:

The Super-Fast Logistics of Delivering Blood By Drone:
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How Rwanda Built A Drone Delivery Service:
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Maybe they use similar concept in the US Military (using 30 drones?)