Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

[ramus]

What is really going on with the arrest of Meng Wanzhou— is it 5G, spying chip in their devices, trade leverage.

This appears to be very important ........here is 3 takes on it:

Aljezeera says :

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/anger-china-arrest-huawei-meng-wanzhou-canada-181207091704518.html

Chinese state-run media on Friday condemned the arrest in Canada of a top executive of telecoms giant Huawei on a US extradition request as a "despicable rogue's approach" to contain China's hi-tech ambitions.
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CNN says : 1 hr ago

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/tech/meng-wanzhou-huawei/index.html

Meng Wanzhou, the CFO of Chinese tech giant Huawei, has kept a low profile for much of her career. Now she's at the center of a geopolitical drama between the world's two largest economies.
The 46-year-old executive was arrested Saturday in Canada, and faces extradition to the United States. After news of her arrest broke late Wednesday, Meng's face was splashed across the internet.
Meng is the daughter of Huawei's billionaire founder, Ren Zhangfei, and her case threatens to ramp up tensions between Washington and Beijing.
"The fact that this is Ren's daughter and a very senior official in the company sends a very strong message to China: no one is above US law and we will reach out anywhere in the world and arrest you if you break the law," said Paul Triolo, the head of global tech policy at risk consultancy Eurasia Group.

Meng Wanzou's arrest follows a US probe into the company's alleged violations of Iran sanctions. She faces a bail hearing in Canada later on Friday.

The arrest of Meng, chief financial officer and daughter of the company's founder, has angered the Chinese government and raised concerns that it could disrupt a trade war truce between the world's two biggest economies.
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FOW says: 1 hr ago

https://www.foxnews.com/world/huaweis-meng-wanzhou-faces-extradition-to-us-but-it-may-not-happen-anytime-soon


The United States has asked Canada to extradite a top Chinese tech executive who's accused of Iran sanctions violations – but that seemingly straightforward request could end up spawning a set of complications that prevent Meng Wanzhou from ever setting foot on American soil.

Wanzhou, the chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies and the daughter of the company's founder, is set to appear at a bail hearing Friday. She was taken into custody last weekend while transferring flights in Vancouver, adding a new layer to the already-tense diplomatic standoff between China and the U.S.
Beijing has called the arrest a human rights violation and demanded the immediate release of the 46-year-old tech heavyweight.

If Meng is granted bail Friday, it will likely be in the range of several million dollars and she could be forced to give up her passport and wear electronic monitoring equipment, according to several lawyers interviews by Reuters.

If Meng chooses not to fight extradition to the U.S., she could be in America within weeks -- though it's unlikely she accepts being transferred to America. If, as expected, she battles extradition, the case could drag on for years, according to Reuters.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang on Thursday said the U.S. and Canada haven’t provided reasons for Meng's detention. However, The Wall Street Journal reported in April that U.S. authorities were investigating whether Huawei violated sanctions on Iran.

Meng’s arrest was made on behalf of the U.S. after Canadian authorities were given advance warning she would be passing through Vancouver, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau revealed Thursday in his first comments on the case.

“The appropriate authorities took the decisions in this case,” Trudeau told reporters. “We were advised by them with a few days notice that this was in the works but of course there was no engagement or involvement in the political level in this decision because we respect the independence of our judicial processes.”

[ramus]

More:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/huawei-arrest-creates-concerns-in-silicon-valley-as-well-as-abroad-2018-12-06



By
Therese
Poletti
Columnist

The arrest of Huawei Technologies Co.’s chief financial officer is sure to put a crimp in the Trump administration’s trade truce with China, as that highly sensitive issue gets more so, but investors are nervous about the impact the whole saga will have on Silicon Valley and abroad.

On Thursday, shares of many chip and fiber-optic companies fell, helping fuel a market downdraft that reversed at the end of the session. Investors fear — with good reason — that the arrest in Canada of Meng Wanzhou, the CFO and the daughter of the founder of one of China’s largest tech giants, on a request for extradition from the United States, will derail the trade truce that presidents Donald Trump and Xi Jingping had agreed to in Buenos Aires. On Wednesday, a former Commerce Department official told Axios that China could retaliate and hold U.S tech executives hostage. He advised U.S. tech executives not to travel to China this week.

“My biggest worry is escalation,” said Stacy Rasgon, a Bernstein Reseach analyst. “We just arrested the daughter of the founder of the most important tech company in China.”

[enigma3]

Ostensibly this is due to the Iran sanctions. But the real reason is probably because Huawei is a major violator of patent/intellectual property protection. They do all they can to steal US patents. Hackers extraordinaire. This whole tariff battle is over China's continued flaunting of international patent law.
For me, it is long past due that we took on China's stance on this issue. On this, they are truly a rouge nation.

[DaveToo]

Ostensibly this is due to the Iran sanctions. But the real reason is probably because Huawei is a major violator of patent/intellectual property protection. They do all they can to steal US patents. Hackers extraordinaire. This whole tariff battle is over China's continued flaunting of international patent law.
For me, it is long past due that we took on China's stance on this issue. On this, they are truly a rouge nation.

I am extremely intrigued by this matter for many different reasons and yet there are few details in the MSM about what is really going on.
You could very well be right about the real reason for the arrest, but then why not call a spade a spade?

If someone can bring me up to date on how sanctions work in this world I'd appreciate it (in theory and practice).

Let's say the U.S. imposes sanctions on country 'x'.
Does that mean that every country in the world (including its de facto enemies) must adhere to the sanctions?

Let's say Afghanistan imposes sanctions tomorrow on France. Does that mean that every country in the world (including its de facto enemies) must adhere to the sanctions?

[Bubu]

rouge nation.

can you please define rouge nation.

[5th]

Rouge = Red. Red = Communist.

More likely it's a typo for rogue!

[ramus]

@bubu ........ Rogue nation : a state that does not respect other states in its international actions. Synonyms: renegade state, rogue state Type of: body politic, commonwealth, country, land, nation, res publica, state. a politically organized body of people under a single government.

:a state that does not respect other states in its international actions
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Rouge: a red powder or cream used as a cosmetic for coloring the cheeks or lips.
another term for jeweler's rouge.

............... Funny, either one applies .........

[ramus]

6 hrs ago:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/tech/huawei-cfo-us-case/index.html

US case against Huawei CFO revealed in Canadian court

By Julia Horowitz and Scott McLean, CNN Business

The United States is claiming that the chief financial officer of Chinese tech giant Huawei covered up violations of sanctions on Iran, according to Canadian prosecutors.
Meng Wanzhou, who was arrested in Vancouver and faces extradition to the United States, is believed to have helped Huawei circumvent US sanctions by telling financial institutions that a Huawei subsidiary was a separate company, prosecutors said at a hearing Friday to determine whether Meng should be released on bail.
Her lawyer said that she has ties to Canada and is not a flight risk. The judge, after hearing arguments from Meng's lawyer and prosecutors, did not rule on bail. The hearing will resume Monday at 1 p.m. ET.
Previously, details surrounding why Meng, 46, had been detained were limited due to a press ban. A judge had accepted Meng's request to bar both police and prosecutors from releasing information about the case prior to the hearing. The ban was lifted on Friday.

A judge in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York issued a warrant for Meng's arrest on August 22, it was revealed at the hearing Friday. She was arrested on December 1.
Earlier this week, Huawei said Meng was detained by Canadian authorities on behalf of the United States when she was transferring flights in Canada.
In a statement after Friday's hearing in Canada, Huawei said: "We will continue to follow the bail hearing on Monday. We have every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach the right conclusion."
The company has said it was "not aware of any wrongdoing by Ms. Meng" and that it "complies with all applicable laws and regulations where it operates."
In addition to her role as CFO, Meng serves as deputy chairwoman of Huawei's board. She's the daughter of Huawei's founder, Ren Zhengfei.
Meng's attorney said she would not breach a court order because doing so would embarrass her personally, and would also humiliate her father, Huawei and China itself. He added that the case against Meng had not been fully laid out, even though the US had signed off on her arrest warrant months ago.
"This isn't some last minute thing," he said.
Meng did everything she could to be transparent with Huawei's banking partners, and the company always worked to ensure its compliance with sanctions law, her lawyer continued.
Huawei is one of the world's biggest makers of smartphones and networking equipment and one of China's best-known companies. It is central to the country's ambitions to become a tech superpower.
But concerns that Huawei devices pose national security risks have hurt its ability to grow abroad.
The company has been repeatedly singled out by officials in the United States. US intelligence agencies have said American citizens shouldn't use Huawei phones, and US government agencies are banned from buying the company's equipment.
Huawei is a "bad actor," White House trade adviser Peter Navarro told CNN on Friday.

Navarro admitted that is was "unusual" that Meng's arrest came just as US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping reached a trade truce in Argentina, but said the government's actions are "legitimate."
"Let's look at what the indictment says and let the [Justice Department] do its thing," he said.
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So it appears that when Trump and Xi Jinping were sitting across from each other at dinner the warrant was months old. Everybody knew this was going to happen. Trump had to know, but he said he didn't.

This has the appearance of some heavy leverage for the trade talks.

[DaveToo]

6 hrs ago:

..."The company has been repeatedly singled out by officials in the United States. US intelligence agencies have said American citizens shouldn't use Huawei phones, and US government agencies are banned from buying the company's equipment.
Huawei is a "bad actor," White House trade adviser Peter Navarro told CNN on Friday."



Right. But it's perfectly OK for US intelligence agencies (NSA et al) to spy on Americans and citizens worldwide via their phones.
Does anyone here sense a double standard (assuming there is even any truth to the Huawei security breach).

[ramus]

Well if you think we're going to let others do what we do you're mistaken, Huawei is getting to big they have to be stopped, this is the American way.( sarcasm) But there is of course copy right an intellectual thief which the Chinese have been doing since Bill Clinton's days, he even helped them steal.

[Bubu]

@bubu ........ Rogue nation :

:a state that does not respect other states in its international actions
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You mean the action of of a state that defies the action of united nations? but isn't UN owned by the cabal?

[Bubu]

6 hrs ago:

..."The company has been repeatedly singled out by officials in the United States. US intelligence agencies have said American citizens shouldn't use Huawei phones, and US government agencies are banned from buying the company's equipment.
Huawei is a "bad actor," White House trade adviser Peter Navarro told CNN on Friday."



Right. But it's perfectly OK for US intelligence agencies (NSA et al) to spy on Americans and citizens worldwide via their phones.
Does anyone here sense a double standard (assuming there is even any truth to the Huawei security breach).

I wonder what brand of phone they replace huawei with something that adhere strictly to their standards so they can do their service to the people.

[Flash]

6 hrs ago:

..."The company has been repeatedly singled out by officials in the United States. US intelligence agencies have said American citizens shouldn't use Huawei phones, and US government agencies are banned from buying the company's equipment.
Huawei is a "bad actor," White House trade adviser Peter Navarro told CNN on Friday."



Right. But it's perfectly OK for US intelligence agencies (NSA et al) to spy on Americans and citizens worldwide via their phones.
Does anyone here sense a double standard (assuming there is even any truth to the Huawei security breach).

I wonder what brand of phone they replace huawei with something that adhere strictly to their standards so they can do their service to the people.

My take: this is an arrest to derail Trump's negotiations with China. I could have waited one or two weeks more, but no, it is done now. Pretty sure it comes from the Clinton group. Unless Trump wants to use it to put pressure on the Chinese, but I doubt it, because it would be a double edge sword then.

[Arn]

Personally, I've always thought patent laws were a crime against humanity. I wish more places would flat out ignore them until they are updated to our current reality.

[section9]

This has nothing to do with the Iran sanctions. That’s merely maskirovka.

[ramus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/jailed-huawei-executive-to-seek-bail-in-canada-as-she-awaits-possible-extradition-to-us/2018/12/10/12b74e58-fc80-11e8-ba87-8c7facdf6739_story.html?utm_term=.769cb5855ae1


December 10 at 11:03 AM

A Chinese tech executive facing fraud charges related to alleged Iran sanctions violations will seek bail on Monday in a Vancouver courtroom, citing health concerns, the latest development in an explosive case that has tested a shaky truce over trade between the United States and China.

Lawyers for Meng Wanzhou, Huawei Technologies’ chief financial officer and the daughter of the company’s founder, will argue that the 46-year-old should be released on bail because she is in poor health and is unlikely to flee Vancouver because of her close ties to the Canadian city.

“My father founded Huawei and I would never do anything that would cause the company reputational damage,” she said in an affidavit released Sunday. “I wish to remain in Vancouver to contest my extradition, and I will contest the allegations at trial in the U.S. if I am ultimately surrendered.”

The decision about whether to grant Meng bail as she waits for an extradition hearing will be closely watched by Washington, Beijing and Ottawa, where her arrest has roiled markets and is at risk of devolving into a broader political dispute.

Meng was arrested at an airport in Vancouver while traveling from Hong Kong to Mexico on Dec. 1 — the same day that President Trump met Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of a Group of 20 summit in Argentina to discuss ongoing trade tension.

Meng Wanzhou, Huawei’s chief financial officer, was arrested on a U.S. request because Huawei is suspected of trying to evade American sanctions on Iran.

Before a packed courtroom on Friday, a Canadian prosecutor argued that Meng committed fraud in 2013 by telling financial institutions that China’s Huawei had no connection to a Hong Kong-based company, Skycom, which was reportedly selling U.S. goods to Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions.

Meng’s lawyers denied the charges, saying Huawei sold Skycom in 2009.

Since news of her arrest broke last week, China has called repeatedly for her release, calling her detention a violation of human rights and implying that she was the victim of a cynical U.S. effort to gain leverage over China in the trade war.

But so far the Chinese side has shown a willingness to keep the issue separate from its ongoing trade dispute with the United States, focusing instead on pressuring Canada to release Meng and stop extradition proceedings.

Over the weekend, China warned of “severe consequences” for Canada if the country does not immediately release Meng. Chinese officials also summoned the U.S. and Canadian ambassadors to protest the arrest.

In Meng’s affidavit, said she had a history of hypertension and was briefly taken to hospital after her airport arrest. She said she survived thyroid cancer in 2011 and had surgery related to sleep apnea in May.

She also stressed her ties to Canada. The affidavit says Meng owns two multimillion dollar homes in Vancouver and notes that her husband and children have spent a considerable amount of time in the city.

Meng said she would surrender her Hong Kong and Chinese passports and use her homes as collateral to secure her release.

[Franny]

Another interesting take on the arrest.

Also, Huawei Technology Has No Back Door for NSA to Exploit and Is Being Banned and/or Neutralized Worldwide

State of the Nation

The article posted below in its entirety presents an excellent overview of what’s really going on with the shocking arrest of Meng Wanzhou, Chief Financial Officer and Vice Chair of Chinese telecoms giant Huawei. BREAKING: CFO and Vice Chair of Chinese Telecom Giant Arrested “on suspicions that she violated US sanctions against Iran”

Many embedded links and images, please read at the SOTN site below:

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=110229

[ramus]

As usual the saying goes: blame others for what you do. The U.S. is no angel but neither are the Chinese , it's hard to feel sorry for either one. I liked the article from State of the Nation.. thanks latte .

[ramus]

Huawei Judge Debates Apt Bail for Chinese Billionaire's Daughter
By Natalie Obiko Pearson
December 10, 2018, 2:17 PM EST Updated on December 11, 2018, 7:01 AM EST

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-10/huawei-s-meng-would-pay-for-security-to-keep-her-in-canada

A Canadian judge said Monday he wasn’t satisfied with a bail proposal from the lawyers for jailed Huawei Technologies Co. Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou, who faces a U.S. extradition request.

Justice William Ehrcke of the British Columbia Supreme Court voiced doubts that Meng’s husband, Liu Xiaozong, could act as her "surety" -- that is, a type of guarantor or “community jailer" who would be responsible for ensuring she meets bail terms and who would lose a proposed C$15 million in cash and properties if she were to violate conditions.

The judge adjourned the case until Tuesday, saying he wouldn’t give a decision until both sides better addressed "the necessity and/or strong desirability of a surety being a resident of the province." At issue is the fact that Liu doesn’t have the legal immigration status to reside in Canada -- he arrived in Vancouver last week on a multiple-entry visitor visa that expires in February -- meaning there’s no guarantee he would be physically present for an extradition proceeding that could potentially last years.
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They're getting some mileage out of this, she's in a real pickle, pop some corn the show is far from over.
As a side note why is it every time a accused white collar criminal gets pinched.. they have such failing health, and can't stay in jail.

[ramus]

Meng Wanzhou: Trump could intervene in case of Huawei executive

12 December 2018 .......... 3hr ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46533971



Donald Trump says he could intervene in the case of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou if it helps to avoid a further decline in US relations with China.

"Whatever's good for this country, I would do," the US president said.

Ms Meng, the chief financial officer of the Chinese telecoms giant, was granted bail on Tuesday by a Canadian court.

She was arrested on 1 December and could be extradited to the US to face fraud charges linked to the alleged violation of sanctions on Iran.

Ms Meng, 46, denies any wrongdoing and has said she will contest the allegations.

She is the daughter of Huawei's founder and her detention, which comes amid an increasingly acrimonious trade dispute between Washington and Beijing, has angered China and soured its relations with both Canada and the US.

Why Huawei matters in five charts
What's going on with Huawei?

In an interview with Reuters news agency on Tuesday, Mr Trump said he would intervene in the US Justice Department's case against Ms Meng if it would serve national security interests or help achieve a trade deal with China.

"If I think it's good for what will be certainly the largest trade deal ever made - which is a very important thing - what's good for national security, I would certainly intervene if I thought it was necessary," he said.


Justice William Ehrcke in Vancouver set bail for Ms Meng at C$10m (£6m; $7.4m).

Of that, C$7m must be provided in cash with C$3m in collateral.

The judge said that she would be under surveillance 24 hours a day and must wear an electronic ankle tag. She will be unable to go out between 2300 and 0600 and must surrender all passports and travel documents.

In the three-day bail hearing in Vancouver, Ms Meng's lawyers sought to provide guarantees that she would not pose a flight risk if released. The application was opposed by Canadian prosecutors.


US prosecutors say Ms Meng used a Huawei subsidiary called Skycom to evade sanctions on Iran between 2009 and 2014. They allege she had publicly misrepresented Skycom as being a separate company from Huawei. It is also alleged she deceived banks about the true relationship between the two companies.

Applause broke out in the courtroom when Justice Ehrcke granted bail. Ms Meng cried and hugged her lawyers.

The judge ordered her to reappear in court on 6 February.

After the ruling, Huawei issued a statement, saying: "We have every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach a just conclusion."
How has China reacted to Ms Meng's arrest?

China, which insists that Ms Meng has not violated any laws, had threatened severe consequences unless Canada released the Huawei executive.

Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng earlier summoned both the US and Canadian ambassadors and lodged a "strong protest" urging her release.

The ministry described Ms Meng's arrest as "extremely nasty".

Separately on Tuesday, it emerged that a Canadian former diplomat had been detained in China.

Michael Kovrig's current employer, the International Crisis Group, said it was working for his prompt release. There has been no official word from China about his whereabouts.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canada was in direct contact with Chinese authorities concerning the case.

Life of Huawei's high-flying heiress

Mr Kovrig previously worked as a diplomat in Beijing, Hong Kong and at the UN in New York.

Canadian officials said there was no "explicit indication" of any link between Mr Kovrig's reported detention and the arrest of Ms Meng.
Who is Meng Wanzhou?

Meng Wanzhou joined Huawei as early as 1993, when she began a career at her father's company as a receptionist.

After she graduated with a master's degree in accountancy from the Huazhong University of Science and Technology in 1999, she joined the finance department of Huawei.

She became the company's chief finance officer in 2011 and was promoted to vice-chair a few months before her arrest.

Ms Meng's links to her father, Ren Zhengfei, were not public knowledge until a few years ago.

In a practice highly unusual in Chinese tradition, she adopted her family name not from her father but her mother, Meng Jun, who was Mr Ren's first wife.
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In Ben Fulford style, my prediction : She will be on a private jet back to China before the hearing, the whole family. Never to return.

I would not want to be Mr Kovrig ... he's in a bad place in this battle.

Swap.... come to mind if she doesn't run.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/tech/huawei-meng-wanzhou-bail-decision/index.html

More details of her release:
On Tuesday, Meng's legal team proposed that the terms of her release could include financial pledges from people in Canada who know her, such as a realtor and insurance agent. Together, they pledged more than $3 million ($2.2 million USD) in home equity and cash, which they'd owe if Meng flees. Her husband also offered to put up the couple's two houses in Vancouver.

Million-dollar homes and a battle against cancer: What court papers reveal about Huawei's jailed CFO
The judge agreed to those terms. Of Meng's $10 million bail, $3 million is pledged by her sureties, the people responsible for making sure she complies with the orders set forth by the court. The other $7 million ($5.2 million USD) is a cash deposit from Meng.

[ramus]

Canada is seeking consular access to ex-diplomat detained in China

12 December 2018

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46532757

This guy is going to be the swap for China's Ms Meng .....tit for tat ....

Canada says it is seeking consular access as soon as possible to a former Canadian diplomat who has been detained in China.

Michael Kovrig was held on Monday by the Beijing National Security Bureau.

His current employers, the International Crisis Group (ICG), say they are concerned for his health and safety.

Canadian officials say the reason for his detention remains unclear.

They do not know where he is being held.

Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said on Wednesday the case has been raised directly with Chinese officials.

News of Mr Kovrig's detention came days after Canada arrested Chinese telecoms executive Meng Wanzhou.

Ms Meng, Huawei's chief financial officer, was released in Vancouver, Canada on Tuesday on C$10m (£6m; $7.4m) bail.

She was arrested on 1 December and could be extradited to the US to face fraud charges linked to the alleged violation of sanctions on Iran.

China has demanded that Canada release Ms Meng or face consequences.

Ms Freeland says that Chinese authorities did not describe the situation with Mr Kovrig as a reprisal.

She also confirmed during a news conference that her department is aware of a second Canadian who recently reached out to Canadian officials because "he was being asked questions by Chinese authorities".

"We have not been able to make contact with him since he let us know about this," she said.

"We are working very hard to ascertain his whereabouts and we have also raised this case with the Chinese authorities."

Canadian ex-diplomat 'held in China'
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Mr Kovrig has been working since February 2017 as a senior advisor for ICG, a Brussels-based think tank that focuses on conflict reduction research.

He is on special leave from Canada's ministry of foreign affairs and does not benefit from diplomatic privileges. He was posted as a diplomat in Hong Kong and Beijing between 2012-16.

The state-run Beijing News newspaper has reported he is being held "on suspicion of engaging in activities that harm China's state security".

A spokesman for China's foreign ministry said on Wednesday that he had "no information to offer" on Mr Kovrig's case.

He also claimed that ICG "has not legally registered nor submitted documents for the record in the mainland of China".

ICG said in a statement that Mr Kovrig is known for "his rigorous and impartial reporting" and is a "noted and sought after contributor on security issues in North East Asia, particularly relating to China, Japan and the Korean peninsula".

An ICG spokesman said that the organisation has had a presence in China since 2007 but closed their Beijing office in 2016 due to changes in Chinese laws around NGOs.

Mr Kovrig is based in Hong Kong, but ICG says he regularly visits Beijing to meet with officials and to attend conferences at the invitation of Chinese organisations, and has made frequent appearances on Chinese media.

[DaveToo]

"The U.S., not China, is the real threat to international rule of law"
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-us-not-china-is-the-real-threat-to-international-rule-of-law/

"Canada abetting Washington's 'new Cold War' with Huawei arrest, says economist"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-us-huawei-arrest-international-trade-cold-war-jeffrey-sachs-1.4947966

[ramus]

Canada says China has now detained 13 Canadians since the arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou
January 4, 2019

https://theweek.com/speedreads/815682/canada-says-china-now-detained-13-canadians-since-arrest-huawei-executive-meng-wanzhou

Since Canadian authorities arrested Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou in Vancouver last month at America's request, China has detained 13 Canadian citizens, Canada said Thursday. "At least" eight of them have since been released, though not the first two, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavo, a Canadian official tells Reuters. Western diplomats say China's arrests of Canadians is likely retaliation for Canada's arrest of Meng, daughter of the telecom giant's founder, but Canada says it sees no link between the arrests in China and Canada.

Meng, 46, has been living in one of her two Vancouver residences since being released on bail Dec. 11. She's fighting extradition to the U.S. to face charges related to violating Iran sanctions.

There are about 200 Canadians facing ongoing legal proceedings in China after being arrested for various alleged infractions, a number that "has remained relatively stable," the Canadian official tells Reuters. The number of Canadians facing similar legal jeopardy in the U.S. is near 900, the official added. Peter Weber
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The beat goes on .......

[ramus]

As they say: Tit for Tat ... If you think that the .... just-us .. system is bad here read this.

China ‘arbitrarily’ applies the death penalty to a Canadian citizen, says Trudeau

Published: Jan 14, 2019 12:43 p.m. ET

The harsh sentence is seen as retaliation for Canada detaining CFO of Chinese telecom giant Huawei.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trudeau-china-arbitrarily-applies-the-death-penalty-to-a-canadian-citizen-2019-01-14

BEIJING (AP) — A Chinese court sentenced a Canadian man to death Monday in a sudden retrial in a drug smuggling case that is likely to escalate tensions between the countries over the arrest of a top Chinese technology executive.

The court in northeastern Liaoning province announced that it had given Robert Lloyd Schellenberg the death penalty after rejecting his plea of innocence and convicting him of being an accessory to drug smuggling. It gave no indication that the penalty could be commuted, but Schellenberg’s fate is likely to be drawn into diplomatic negotiations over China’s demand for the top executive’s release.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in Ottawa that he is extremely concerned that China chose to “arbitrarily” apply the death penalty to a Canadian citizen.

In his strongest comments yet against China, Trudeau said “all countries around the world” should be concerned that Beijing is acting arbitrarily with its justice system.

Schellenberg was detained more than four years ago and initially sentenced to 15 years in prison in 2016. But suddenly last month, an appeals court agreed with prosecutors who said the sentence was too lenient, and scheduled Monday’s retrial with just four days’ notice.

The Chinese press began publicizing Schellenberg’s case in December after Canada detained Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei 002502, -2.57% , on Dec. 1 at the request of the United States.

Since then, China has arrested two Canadians in apparent retaliation for Meng’s arrest. Both Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman, were arrested on vague national security allegations. A Canadian teacher was detained but released.

Schellenberg’s lawyer, Zhang Dongshuo, said his client now has 10 days to appeal.

Zhang said he argued in the one-day trial Monday that there was insufficient evidence to prove his client’s involvement in the drug smuggling operation. He added that prosecutors had not introduced new evidence to justify a heavier sentence.

“This is a very unique case,” Zhang told The Associated Press in a phone interview. He said the swiftness of the proceedings — with a retrial held so soon after it was ordered — was unusual, but declined to comment on whether it was related to Meng’s arrest.

Schellenberg had been prepared for a more severe punishment, so he maintained a calm demeanor in court, Zhang said.

The court said it found that Schellenberg was involved in an international drug smuggling operation and was recruited to help smuggle more than 222 kilograms (488 pounds) of methamphetamine from a warehouse in Dalian city to Australia. A Chinese person convicted of involvement in the same operation was earlier given a suspended death sentence.

Fifty people, including Canadian diplomats and foreign and domestic media, attended Monday’s trial, the court said in an online statement.

In 2009, China executed a Briton, Akmal Shaikh, on charges of smuggling heroin despite his supporters’ protest that he was mentally ill.

Earlier Monday, a Chinese spokeswoman said Kovrig, the former Canadian diplomat detained in December, does not enjoy diplomatic immunity, rejecting a complaint from Trudeau that the man’s rights were being denied.

Trudeau said last week that Chinese officials were not respecting Kovrig’s diplomatic immunity. However, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters that Kovrig is no longer a diplomat and entered China on an ordinary passport and business visa.

“According to the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations and international law, he is not entitled to diplomatic immunity,” Hua said at a daily briefing. “I suggest that the relevant Canadian person carefully study the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and international law before commenting on the cases, or they would only expose themselves to ridicule with such specious remarks.”

Kovrig, a Northeast Asia analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank, took a leave of absence from the Canadian government.

Trudeau accused China again on Monday of not respecting longstanding practices regarding diplomatic immunity.

A former Canadian ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques, said he believes the Chinese likely interrogated Kovrig about his time as a diplomat in China, and that would break the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations. He said there is a notion of residual diplomatic immunity that means a country is not allowed to question someone on the work they did when they were a diplomat.

He told The Associated Press that “it’s difficult not to see a link” between the case and Canada’s arrest of Meng.

Washington wants Meng — the daughter of Huawei’s founder — extradited to face charges that she misled banks about the company’s business dealings in Iran. She is out on bail in Canada and awaiting a bail extradition proceeding next month.

China’s ambassador to Canada accused the country last week of “white supremacy” in calling for the release of the two Canadians, while describing the detentions as an “act of self-defense.”

However, Hua said the allegation that China arbitrarily detained Canadian citizens is “totally groundless.”

On Friday, Poland arrested a Huawei director and one of its own former cybersecurity experts and charged them with spying for China. That comes amid a U.S. campaign to exert pressure on its allies not to use Huawei, the world’s biggest maker of telecommunications network equipment, over data security concerns.

Poland’s move has raised concerns over the safety of its nationals in China, although Hua appeared to brush off such worries, emphasizing China’s desire for the “sound and steady” development of relations with Poland.

“As long as the foreign citizens in China abide by Chinese laws and regulations, they are welcomed and their safety and freedom are guaranteed,” Hua said.

[ramus]

Huawei denies U.S. violations, ‘disappointed’ by criminal charges

Published: Jan 28, 2019 11:57 p.m. ET

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/huawei-denies-us-violations-disappointed-by-criminal-charges-2019-01-28

In the short video they break down the charges of against Huawei.

Violating Iran sanctions
Stealing trade secrets
Paying bonuses for the thief of confidential information
Stealing robot secrets from T-Mobile, and the theft of T- Mobile's robot arm to reverse engineer it.

[ramus]

Just a thought ,

The Chinese, through Huawei, have been building an international payments system that does not rely on the Khazarian-controlled SWIFT system, and that is what this fight is really about—not “Iran sanctions.”
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If true this a good reason for her arrest, the Cabal can't have that:cash:

[ramus]

Looks like my question has been answered ... Will she be extradited, we will see March 6th .. another chip in the trade talks.
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Canada approves Huawei extradition proceedings, China seethes

https://www.fidelity.com/news/article/top-news/201903011956RTRSNEWSCOMBINED_KCN1QI3MI-OUSBS_1


OTTAWA (Reuters) - The Canadian government, as expected, on Friday approved extradition proceedings against the chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies Co Ltd, prompting a furious reaction from China.

Meng Wanzhou, the daughter of Huawei's founder, was detained in Vancouver last December and is under house arrest. In late January the U.S. Justice Department charged Meng and Huawei with conspiring to violate U.S. sanctions on Iran.

Meng is due to appear in a Vancouver court at 10 a.m. Pacific time (1800 GMT) on March 6, when a date will be set for her extradition hearing.

"Today, department of Justice Canada officials issued an authority to proceed, formally commencing an extradition process in the case of Ms. Meng Wanzhou," the government said in a statement.

China, whose relations with Canada have deteriorated badly over the affair, denounced the decision and repeated previous demands for Meng's release.

U.S. Justice Department spokeswoman Nicole Navas Oxman said Washington thanked the Canadian government for its assistance. "We greatly appreciate Canada's steadfast commitment to the rule of law," she said in a statement.

Legal experts had predicted the Liberal government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau would give the go-ahead for extradition proceedings, given the close judicial relationship between Canada and the United States.

But it could be years before Meng is sent to the United States, since Canada's slow-moving justice system allows many decisions to be appealed.

A final decision will likely come down to the federal justice minister, who will face the choice of angering the United States by rejecting the extradition bid, or China by accepting it.

Professor Wesley Wark of the University of Ottawa's Graduate School of Public and International Affairs said "the Canadians will take a beating throughout this whole process" from China.

"I suspect the Trudeau government is desperately hoping that the Americans reach a deal with the Chinese," he said by phone.

U.S. President Donald Trump told Reuters in December he would intervene if it served national security interests or helped close a trade deal with China, prompting Ottawa to stress the extradition process should not be politicized. Last week Trump played down the idea of dropping the charges.

After Meng's detention, China arrested two Canadians on national security grounds, and a Chinese court later sentenced to death a Canadian man who previously had only been jailed for drug smuggling.

Brock University professor Charles Burton, a former Canadian diplomat who served two postings in China, said Beijing was likely to retaliate further.

"They're not going to take this lying down ... one shudders to think what the consequences could be," he told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp, saying Beijing might crack down on Canadian canola shipments or stop Chinese students from going to Canada.

Ottawa rejects Chinese calls to release Meng, saying it cannot interfere with the judiciary.

"The Chinese side is utterly dissatisfied with and firmly opposes the issuance of (the) authority to proceed," the embassy in Ottawa said in a statement.

Beijing had earlier questioned the state of judicial independence in Canada, noting the government faces accusations that it tried to intervene to stop a corruption trial.

Canadian Justice Minister David Lametti declined to comment.

Huawei was not immediately available for comment.

Meng's lawyers said they were disappointed and described the U.S. charges as politically motivated.

(Reporting by David Ljunggren; Editing by Tom Brown and Daniel Wallis)

[ramus]

What You Need to Know About the Huawei Court Case in Canada

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/world/canada/huawei-meng-wanzhou-arrest.html


Legal experts say Ms. Meng is likely to be extradited, though it could take months for the courts to reach a final decision. Wednesday’s hearing is the first step.

Joanna Harrington, a professor of law at the University of Alberta, noted that Canada has a track record of granting about 90 percent of extradition requests.


President Trump may have given credence to this argument when he said he was willing to intercede in the case if that helped achieve a trade deal with China.From the day of Ms. Meng’s arrest, Canada has said it was legally bound to detain her at the request of its ally. Beijing sees it differently.

Shortly after her arrest, the Chinese authorities arrested two Canadians, Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman. Just days after Canada approved Ms. Meng’s extradition hearing, the Chinese government accused them of espionage.

The two men have been held in secret detention sites in China with no access to lawyers or visits from their families.

A third Canadian, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, was sentenced in January to death for drug smuggling.

All three cases have caused alarm in Canada, where many have pointed to Ms. Meng’s comparatively cushy detainment.

[DeDukshyn]

What You Need to Know About the Huawei Court Case in Canada

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/world/canada/huawei-meng-wanzhou-arrest.html


Legal experts say Ms. Meng is likely to be extradited, though it could take months for the courts to reach a final decision. Wednesday’s hearing is the first step.

Joanna Harrington, a professor of law at the University of Alberta, noted that Canada has a track record of granting about 90 percent of extradition requests.


President Trump may have given credence to this argument when he said he was willing to intercede in the case if that helped achieve a trade deal with China.From the day of Ms. Meng’s arrest, Canada has said it was legally bound to detain her at the request of its ally. Beijing sees it differently.

Shortly after her arrest, the Chinese authorities arrested two Canadians, Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman. Just days after Canada approved Ms. Meng’s extradition hearing, the Chinese government accused them of espionage.

The two men have been held in secret detention sites in China with no access to lawyers or visits from their families.

A third Canadian, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, was sentenced in January to death for drug smuggling.

All three cases have caused alarm in Canada, where many have pointed to Ms. Meng’s comparatively cushy detainment.

Ms Meng is living in her 5.6 million dollar mansion in Vancouver. She's free to do what she wants in Vancouver as long as she doesn't travel (Bail is set at $10 million). As would be in any similar case, the Canadian courts needs to assess the risk to ms Meng and the entire situation of extradition. If it is deemed the extradition will not put her in harms way and that she will receive fair treatment and a fair trial in the USA, she will be extradited, though the process is long and thorough.

I'd say it seems likely.

I don't think the drug smuggler is much related to this - he'd be a criminal in any country including Canada, his accomplice, a British guy, I think, was also sentenced to death. Its a fairly common sentence for drug smugglers in China. The other two are a little more questionable perhaps, but the links seem loose.

But on another note of potential retaliation, China has blocked and cancelled an import license of a major Canadian Canola producer - this is seen as potentially retaliatory, as Canada's number one importer of Canola is China - this is an action that might actually be intended to send a message.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5021950/china-cancels-canola-winnipeg-richardson-international/

[ramus]

The Game is afoot .... they will play as hard as we do (USA ) ... the article is msm, so there is much that is lacking in it ... after all it is The NY Times ...

[ramus]

China’s Huawei calls restrictions by the U.S. government unconstitutional

Published: Mar 7, 2019 10:00 a.m. ET
Huawei is challenging a law that labels the company a security risk
By
Associated
Press

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinas-huawei-calls-restrictions-by-the-us-unconstitutional-2019-03-07?mod=mw_latestnews

SHENZHEN, China (AP) — Chinese tech giant Huawei 002502, +5.86% is challenging a U.S. law that would limit its American sales of telecom equipment on security grounds as the company steps up efforts to preserve its access to global markets for next-generation communications.

Huawei Technologies Ltd.’s lawsuit, announced Thursday, asks a federal court to reject as unconstitutional a portion of this year’s U.S. military appropriations act that bars the government and its contractors from using Huawei equipment.

It comes as the biggest global maker of network equipment fights a U.S. campaign to persuade allies to shun Huawei. That threatens to block access to major markets as phone carriers prepare to invest billions of dollars in fifth-generation, or 5G, networks.

The complaint filed in Plano, Texas, the headquarters of Huawei’s U.S. operations, says the law is an unconstitutional “bill of attainder,” or a measure that singles out a specific entity for punishment. It says that denies the company due process and amounts to a “death penalty.”


............AND THE BEAT GOES ON ...........

[DaveToo]

Fasten your seat belts!
This high stakes drama will drag on for years.

Expect to see many more Canadians imprisoned in China or worse.
Also expect to see many more Canadian businesses denied the right to sell to China.

Any negative results for Meng in extradition hearings in Canada will be appealed. She has hired Canada's top lawyers to defend her.
Those appeals will go on for years.

Trump may 'pardon' Meng (drop the case) before he leaves office.

Get out your popcorn!:popcorn:

[Flash]

Now we know the real reasons for the arrest. To stop the Chinese from overtaking telecom worlwide markets. Has been done by the US to the Canadian outperforming telecom manufacturer in the 90’s.

But, it is the same game with Chinese, they will do what theyxan to eradicatecompetition as well.

It is so sad that Canada who has nothing to do with this and everything to lose on either side has been squeeze in the situation by the US.


China’s Huawei calls restrictions by the U.S. government unconstitutional

Published: Mar 7, 2019 10:00 a.m. ET
Huawei is challenging a law that labels the company a security risk
By
Associated
Press

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinas-huawei-calls-restrictions-by-the-us-unconstitutional-2019-03-07?mod=mw_latestnews

SHENZHEN, China (AP) — Chinese tech giant Huawei 002502, +5.86% is challenging a U.S. law that would limit its American sales of telecom equipment on security grounds as the company steps up efforts to preserve its access to global markets for next-generation communications.

Huawei Technologies Ltd.’s lawsuit, announced Thursday, asks a federal court to reject as unconstitutional a portion of this year’s U.S. military appropriations act that bars the government and its contractors from using Huawei equipment.

It comes as the biggest global maker of network equipment fights a U.S. campaign to persuade allies to shun Huawei. That threatens to block access to major markets as phone carriers prepare to invest billions of dollars in fifth-generation, or 5G, networks.

The complaint filed in Plano, Texas, the headquarters of Huawei’s U.S. operations, says the law is an unconstitutional “bill of attainder,” or a measure that singles out a specific entity for punishment. It says that denies the company due process and amounts to a “death penalty.”


............AND THE BEAT GOES ON ...........

[ramus]

This could be a result of trade talks and the arrest of Huawei senior officer in Canada in December 2018. But as the article reads "considering " selling the 5G chip to apple. Let's not forget that the issue is the back doors that the Chinese build into there tech.

" It’s unclear if any potential Huawai-Apple deal would run into opposition by the U.S. government, which has called Huawei’s telecom equipment national security risks and has sought to restrict their sales."
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Huawei reportedly ‘open’ to selling 5G chips to Apple

Published: Apr 14, 2019 7:56 p.m. ET


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/huawei-reportedly-open-to-selling-5g-chips-to-apple-2019-04-14?mod=mw_theo_homepage

By
Mike
Murphy
Editor

Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. is “open” to selling 5G smartphone chips to Apple Inc., the Chinese tech giant’s chief executive told CNBC in a new interview.

In an interview that aired late Sunday, Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei told CNBC that the company would consider selling its next-generation mobile chips to other smartphone makers, in a potentially big shift in strategy.

“We are open to Apple in this regard,” Ren said, according to CNBC.

Apple does not yet have a 5G-capable iPhone. Apple is in a bitter legal battle with chip maker Qualcomm Inc. QCOM, +0.74% , and has been shifting to Intel Corp. INTC, -0.27% mobile chips. But Intel’s 5G chip is reportedly running into delays, jeopardizing Apple’s plans to ship a 5G iPhone next year, a UBS analyst warned last week. That could spur Apple to look for another chip supplier.


It’s unclear if any potential Huawai-Apple deal would run into opposition by the U.S. government, which has called Huawei’s telecom equipment national security risks and has sought to restrict their sales.

Huawei reportedly ‘open’ to selling 5G chips to Apple

Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. is “open” to selling 5G smartphone chips to Apple Inc., the Chinese tech giant’s chief executive told CNBC in a new interview.

In an interview that aired late Sunday, Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei told CNBC that the company would consider selling its next-generation mobile chips to other smartphone makers, in a potentially big shift in strategy.

“We are open to Apple in this regard,” Ren said, according to CNBC.

Apple AAPL, +0.11% does not yet have a 5G-capable iPhone. Apple is in a bitter legal battle with chip maker Qualcomm Inc. QCOM, +1.06% , and has been shifting to Intel Corp. INTC, -0.17% mobile chips. But Intel’s 5G chip is reportedly running into delays, jeopardizing Apple’s plans to ship a 5G iPhone next year, a UBS analyst warned last week. That could spur Apple to look for another chip supplier.

But even aside from Apple, Huawei’s willingness to sell its 5G chips to other smartphone makers for the first time could have a big impact on Qualcomm and Intel, and create a major new rival to the American chip giants.

In the interview, Ren called Apple a “great company” and praised its co-founder, Steve Jobs.

“Mr. Jobs was great not because he created Apple, but because he created an era, the mobile internet era,” Ren said, according to CNBC. “Saying that he was great is an understatement. I think he was super-great.”

[DeDukshyn]

Now we know the real reasons for the arrest. To stop the Chinese from overtaking telecom worlwide markets. Has been done by the US to the Canadian outperforming telecom manufacturer in the 90’s.


.. ahhh, Nortel and Blackberry? Yes interesting how those two go caught up in some strange "scandals" and collapsed almost overnight .... :) I never followed either of these closely but I'd say conspiracy was likely in both those collapses.

[Michi]

After the recent ban against the Chinese concern HUAWEI by the US Government also Google, Intel and ARM followed the decision. Main reason for the blacklisting is supposedly HUAWEI's spying efforts and patent steal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/huawei-executive-is-accused-of-involvement-in-trade-secrets-theft-u-s-startup-said-in-court-filings-11558550468

qZGpmWrVSaU

At the surface, it appears that Trump wants primarily to pull production out of China and back to the US.

Or is the whole circus part of something entirely different?

A good question to ask on such large scale action is:

Who really benefits from it?
Which elephant in the room has been overlooked?
What else is going on elsewhere that requires that large distraction?


I am curious, as to what Dark journalist & Joseph Farrell would have to say to this.

[Jad]

The same allegations that the US government has against Huawei can be easily applied also on Apple or any other manufacturer that manufactures phones in China. Some European countries and Japan have halted phone orders with Huawei waiting to see how this will play out. The scary part is how Google with Android has a Monopoly on phone software worldwide outside of the Appleverse. Huawei said that they were working on their own operating software but I doubt anyone would buy a phone without Android and of course Apple will never license its IOS to anyone. Maybe they can try to buy the old Palm OS and try to renovate it. At the end this decision won't only hurt Huawei but a lot of other companies that supply them with phone internals.

[Michael Moewes]

Well, first of all I need to point out that Trump is a dangerous, stupid and egocentric maniac and a narcicist of course.
Second, Motorola was equiped by th US Government since the first mobilephone, with different hardwarechips to ensure spying and other specs.
Third, this whole blow up america first will backfire america in to the middleage and thats exactely where Trump belongs.
The only reason why the IQ level in the US is still up high, is because of the asian and european inmigrants. If it where to the americans only it would be arround the IQ of a loaf of white bread. Well the americans who are on this forum are excluded from this quote off course.;)

[Jad]

Well, first of all I need to point out that Trump is a dangerous, stupid and egocentric maniac and a narcicist of course.
Second, Motorola was equiped by th US Government since the first mobilephone, with different hardwarechips to ensure spying and other specs.
Third, this whole blow up america first will backfire america in to the middleage and thats exactely where Trump belongs.
The only reason why the IQ level in the US is still up high, is because of the asian and european inmigrants. If it where to the americans only it would be arround the IQ of a loaf of white bread. Well the americans who are on this forum are excluded from this quote off course.;)

I hope you felt better after getting this out of your system. But if you really think that Trump or any other president make their own decisions then I don’t know what to tell you.. instead of reacting to the marionette try to look for who is pulling the strings.

[Baby Steps]

In times gone by a nation, desiring to retain its own independence from foreign influence as much as possible, would designate certain production industries as 'strategic' , such as the ability to make guns, planes etc without depending on foreign raw materials, components or tech.

In our modern age, the components and technology to construct information networks constitute a key strategic industry, and western nations are slowly losing the capability to make modern network infrastructure, due to the competitiveness and superiority of technology coming from the far east.

The principles of free trade that built the west are now in conflict with the imperative to retain these strategic capabilities at home. This is no small thing. Imagine if China, disgusted at the unjust and warmongering sanctions that we see being imposed by the corrupt west, imposed its own restrictions on the supply of key components, and thus attacked the information systems in the west.Including military systems.

The notion that chinese components contain secret information harvesting capabilities is assisting Trumps 'make american information sovereign again' strategy. It is not entirely a paranoid conspiracy theory.

This tech is key. If you are competing with a bloc, who do play hard ball, best not rely on their own products for strategic capabilities.

We have on the UK threats regarding Huawei products from top Chinese diplomats. They say that if we exclude this company from the tenders there will be 'severe repercussions' . Since when did phone salesmen use the full force of their nations diplomacy to coerce nations into buying their products?

[ramus]

Well, first of all I need to point out that Trump is a dangerous, stupid and egocentric maniac and a narcissist of course.
Second, Motorola was equipped by th US Government since the first mobile phone, with different hardware chips to ensure spying and other specs.
Third, this whole blow up America first will backfire America in to the middle age and that's exactly where Trump belongs.
The only reason why the IQ level in the US is still up high, is because of the Asian and European immigrants. If it where to the Americans only it would be around the IQ of a loaf of white bread. Well the Americans who are on this forum are excluded from this quote off course.;)

I feel sorry for you, the hate is ugly ... and speaking of I.Q. I just corrected 8 misspellings & capitalization's in 6 lines....... Look in the MIRROR .

[AutumnW]

As they say: Tit for Tat ... If you think that the .... just-us .. system is bad here read this.

China ‘arbitrarily’ applies the death penalty to a Canadian citizen, says Trudeau

Published: Jan 14, 2019 12:43 p.m. ET

The harsh sentence is seen as retaliation for Canada detaining CFO of Chinese telecom giant Huawei.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trudeau-china-arbitrarily-applies-the-death-penalty-to-a-canadian-citizen-2019-01-14

BEIJING (AP) — A Chinese court sentenced a Canadian man to death Monday in a sudden retrial in a drug smuggling case that is likely to escalate tensions between the countries over the arrest of a top Chinese technology executive.

The court in northeastern Liaoning province announced that it had given Robert Lloyd Schellenberg the death penalty after rejecting his plea of innocence and convicting him of being an accessory to drug smuggling. It gave no indication that the penalty could be commuted, but Schellenberg’s fate is likely to be drawn into diplomatic negotiations over China’s demand for the top executive’s release.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in Ottawa that he is extremely concerned that China chose to “arbitrarily” apply the death penalty to a Canadian citizen.

In his strongest comments yet against China, Trudeau said “all countries around the world” should be concerned that Beijing is acting arbitrarily with its justice system.

Schellenberg was detained more than four years ago and initially sentenced to 15 years in prison in 2016. But suddenly last month, an appeals court agreed with prosecutors who said the sentence was too lenient, and scheduled Monday’s retrial with just four days’ notice.

The Chinese press began publicizing Schellenberg’s case in December after Canada detained Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei 002502, -2.57% , on Dec. 1 at the request of the United States.

Since then, China has arrested two Canadians in apparent retaliation for Meng’s arrest. Both Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman, were arrested on vague national security allegations. A Canadian teacher was detained but released.

Schellenberg’s lawyer, Zhang Dongshuo, said his client now has 10 days to appeal.

Zhang said he argued in the one-day trial Monday that there was insufficient evidence to prove his client’s involvement in the drug smuggling operation. He added that prosecutors had not introduced new evidence to justify a heavier sentence.

“This is a very unique case,” Zhang told The Associated Press in a phone interview. He said the swiftness of the proceedings — with a retrial held so soon after it was ordered — was unusual, but declined to comment on whether it was related to Meng’s arrest.

Schellenberg had been prepared for a more severe punishment, so he maintained a calm demeanor in court, Zhang said.

The court said it found that Schellenberg was involved in an international drug smuggling operation and was recruited to help smuggle more than 222 kilograms (488 pounds) of methamphetamine from a warehouse in Dalian city to Australia. A Chinese person convicted of involvement in the same operation was earlier given a suspended death sentence.

Fifty people, including Canadian diplomats and foreign and domestic media, attended Monday’s trial, the court said in an online statement.

In 2009, China executed a Briton, Akmal Shaikh, on charges of smuggling heroin despite his supporters’ protest that he was mentally ill.

Earlier Monday, a Chinese spokeswoman said Kovrig, the former Canadian diplomat detained in December, does not enjoy diplomatic immunity, rejecting a complaint from Trudeau that the man’s rights were being denied.

Trudeau said last week that Chinese officials were not respecting Kovrig’s diplomatic immunity. However, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters that Kovrig is no longer a diplomat and entered China on an ordinary passport and business visa.

“According to the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations and international law, he is not entitled to diplomatic immunity,” Hua said at a daily briefing. “I suggest that the relevant Canadian person carefully study the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and international law before commenting on the cases, or they would only expose themselves to ridicule with such specious remarks.”

Kovrig, a Northeast Asia analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank, took a leave of absence from the Canadian government.

Trudeau accused China again on Monday of not respecting longstanding practices regarding diplomatic immunity.

A former Canadian ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques, said he believes the Chinese likely interrogated Kovrig about his time as a diplomat in China, and that would break the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations. He said there is a notion of residual diplomatic immunity that means a country is not allowed to question someone on the work they did when they were a diplomat.

He told The Associated Press that “it’s difficult not to see a link” between the case and Canada’s arrest of Meng.

Washington wants Meng — the daughter of Huawei’s founder — extradited to face charges that she misled banks about the company’s business dealings in Iran. She is out on bail in Canada and awaiting a bail extradition proceeding next month.

China’s ambassador to Canada accused the country last week of “white supremacy” in calling for the release of the two Canadians, while describing the detentions as an “act of self-defense.”

However, Hua said the allegation that China arbitrarily detained Canadian citizens is “totally groundless.”

On Friday, Poland arrested a Huawei director and one of its own former cybersecurity experts and charged them with spying for China. That comes amid a U.S. campaign to exert pressure on its allies not to use Huawei, the world’s biggest maker of telecommunications network equipment, over data security concerns.

Poland’s move has raised concerns over the safety of its nationals in China, although Hua appeared to brush off such worries, emphasizing China’s desire for the “sound and steady” development of relations with Poland.

“As long as the foreign citizens in China abide by Chinese laws and regulations, they are welcomed and their safety and freedom are guaranteed,” Hua said.

We essentially kidnapped a foreigner . She is a POTW --a prisoner of trade war. We should never have kidnapped her under the phony pretext of being a "law and order" society. One phone call to tip her off before she landed in Vancouver, was all that was required, but our pretty boy fool of a PM couldn't get his **** together to accomplish this most tiny work around. What a dope.

[ramus]

As they say: Tit for Tat ... If you think that the .... just-us .. system is bad here read this.

China ‘arbitrarily’ applies the death penalty to a Canadian citizen, says Trudeau

Published: Jan 14, 2019 12:43 p.m. ET

The harsh sentence is seen as retaliation for Canada detaining CFO of Chinese telecom giant Huawei.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trudeau-china-arbitrarily-applies-the-death-penalty-to-a-canadian-citizen-2019-01-14

BEIJING (AP) — A Chinese court sentenced a Canadian man to death Monday in a sudden retrial in a drug smuggling case that is likely to escalate tensions between the countries over the arrest of a top Chinese technology executive.

The court in northeastern Liaoning province announced that it had given Robert Lloyd Schellenberg the death penalty after rejecting his plea of innocence and convicting him of being an accessory to drug smuggling. It gave no indication that the penalty could be commuted, but Schellenberg’s fate is likely to be drawn into diplomatic negotiations over China’s demand for the top executive’s release.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in Ottawa that he is extremely concerned that China chose to “arbitrarily” apply the death penalty to a Canadian citizen.

In his strongest comments yet against China, Trudeau said “all countries around the world” should be concerned that Beijing is acting arbitrarily with its justice system.

Schellenberg was detained more than four years ago and initially sentenced to 15 years in prison in 2016. But suddenly last month, an appeals court agreed with prosecutors who said the sentence was too lenient, and scheduled Monday’s retrial with just four days’ notice.

The Chinese press began publicizing Schellenberg’s case in December after Canada detained Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei 002502, -2.57% , on Dec. 1 at the request of the United States.

Since then, China has arrested two Canadians in apparent retaliation for Meng’s arrest. Both Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman, were arrested on vague national security allegations. A Canadian teacher was detained but released.

Schellenberg’s lawyer, Zhang Dongshuo, said his client now has 10 days to appeal.

Zhang said he argued in the one-day trial Monday that there was insufficient evidence to prove his client’s involvement in the drug smuggling operation. He added that prosecutors had not introduced new evidence to justify a heavier sentence.

“This is a very unique case,” Zhang told The Associated Press in a phone interview. He said the swiftness of the proceedings — with a retrial held so soon after it was ordered — was unusual, but declined to comment on whether it was related to Meng’s arrest.

Schellenberg had been prepared for a more severe punishment, so he maintained a calm demeanor in court, Zhang said.

The court said it found that Schellenberg was involved in an international drug smuggling operation and was recruited to help smuggle more than 222 kilograms (488 pounds) of methamphetamine from a warehouse in Dalian city to Australia. A Chinese person convicted of involvement in the same operation was earlier given a suspended death sentence.

Fifty people, including Canadian diplomats and foreign and domestic media, attended Monday’s trial, the court said in an online statement.

In 2009, China executed a Briton, Akmal Shaikh, on charges of smuggling heroin despite his supporters’ protest that he was mentally ill.

Earlier Monday, a Chinese spokeswoman said Kovrig, the former Canadian diplomat detained in December, does not enjoy diplomatic immunity, rejecting a complaint from Trudeau that the man’s rights were being denied.

Trudeau said last week that Chinese officials were not respecting Kovrig’s diplomatic immunity. However, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters that Kovrig is no longer a diplomat and entered China on an ordinary passport and business visa.

“According to the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations and international law, he is not entitled to diplomatic immunity,” Hua said at a daily briefing. “I suggest that the relevant Canadian person carefully study the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and international law before commenting on the cases, or they would only expose themselves to ridicule with such specious remarks.”

Kovrig, a Northeast Asia analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank, took a leave of absence from the Canadian government.

Trudeau accused China again on Monday of not respecting longstanding practices regarding diplomatic immunity.

A former Canadian ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques, said he believes the Chinese likely interrogated Kovrig about his time as a diplomat in China, and that would break the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations. He said there is a notion of residual diplomatic immunity that means a country is not allowed to question someone on the work they did when they were a diplomat.

He told The Associated Press that “it’s difficult not to see a link” between the case and Canada’s arrest of Meng.

Washington wants Meng — the daughter of Huawei’s founder — extradited to face charges that she misled banks about the company’s business dealings in Iran. She is out on bail in Canada and awaiting a bail extradition proceeding next month.

China’s ambassador to Canada accused the country last week of “white supremacy” in calling for the release of the two Canadians, while describing the detentions as an “act of self-defense.”

However, Hua said the allegation that China arbitrarily detained Canadian citizens is “totally groundless.”

On Friday, Poland arrested a Huawei director and one of its own former cybersecurity experts and charged them with spying for China. That comes amid a U.S. campaign to exert pressure on its allies not to use Huawei, the world’s biggest maker of telecommunications network equipment, over data security concerns.

Poland’s move has raised concerns over the safety of its nationals in China, although Hua appeared to brush off such worries, emphasizing China’s desire for the “sound and steady” development of relations with Poland.

“As long as the foreign citizens in China abide by Chinese laws and regulations, they are welcomed and their safety and freedom are guaranteed,” Hua said.

We essentially kidnapped a foreigner . She is a POTW --a prisoner of trade war. We should never have kidnapped her under the phony pretext of being a "law and order" society. One phone call to tip her off before she landed in Vancouver, was all that was required, but our pretty boy fool of a PM couldn't get his **** together to accomplish this most tiny work around. What a dope.

Your PM couldn't call, he knew they were listening.

[DeDukshyn]

 
Meng Wanzhou scores victory as lawyers allowed to argue U.S. tried to trick Canada


"Meng Wanzhou scored a victory in her battle to fight extradition Thursday as the judge overseeing the proceedings agreed to let the Huawei executive's lawyers pursue their claim that the United States misled Canada about the basics of the case.

In a ruling posted online, Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes said there was an "air of reality to Ms. Meng's allegations of abuse of process in relation to the requesting state's conduct."

....


As part of the extradition process, the United States provided a record of the case that includes slides from the PowerPoint presentation Meng gave an HSBC executive in Hong Kong in August 2013.

But Meng's lawyers claim the U.S. deliberately omitted two slides from the PowerPoint that showed Meng didn't mislead the bank.

And they also claim that where the U.S. said only "junior" employees knew about the real relationship between Huawei and its subsidiary, senior executives at the bank were also aware.

In her ruling, Holmes said she would allow two statements from the missing slides to be included as evidence in the extradition case. She also agreed to allow evidence about HSBC's management structure to help determine who is junior and who is not."


Full article here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/meng-wanzhou-us-canada-omissions-evidence-1.5782401

[Patient]

Certainly not intending to derail this topic, but to perhaps broaden the picture...

China is pushing it's way into other countries simalar to the US. Meng is comfortable staying in Vancouver as the Chinese population continues to grow and influence the area. Chinese have bought so much real estate in Vancouver that they have inflated the market to where local Canadians can longer afford to buy a home. Same as is happening in Toronto area.

It is a subtle battle between superpowers using business as the front cover.

[Mashika]

Certainly not intending to derail this topic, but to perhaps broaden the picture...

China is pushing it's way into other countries simalar to the US. Meng is comfortable staying in Vancouver as the Chinese population continues to grow and influence the area. Chinese have bought so much real estate in Vancouver that they have inflated the market to where local Canadians can longer afford to buy a home. Same as is happening in Toronto area.

It is a subtle battle between superpowers using business as the front cover.

Capitalism is Capitalism, i guess? The rules are there, if you play by them and someone does better... :cash: :cocktail:

I mean, should ask the real estate sellers? Do they feel wrong about this? Or is just the buyers? It's get's a bit complicated around that point maybe