THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda

[Spellbound]

"THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS." David Jacobs on the Richard Dolan Show. Dec. 10, 2018
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQE6qkwfaGo

[Bill Ryan]

I've copied the post above from the Richard Dolan's Radio Shows and Interviews (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97768-Richard-Dolan-s-Radio-Shows-and-Interviews/page6) thread, as it deserves its own discussion.

For two reasons:


If there's the slightest truth to this, it could (literally) not be more important.
The second half of the interview is behind a paywall. (Please record it if anyone can. Thx. I say more about this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104868-PURSUING-X-Marketing-money-and-manipulation-in-the-Alternative-Media&p=1264206#post1264206).)

There's also some mention of this on the Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105195-Are-ETs-Benevolent-or-Malevolent) thread. But taking over the entire planet and replacing us with hybrids is more than 'malevolent'. It's the ultimate end of us all.

Richard Dolan, to his credit, balances this with a prior interview with Barbara Lamb, another abduction researcher whose conclusions (and beliefs) are 180º different from those of David Jacobs.

But I do have to say, listening carefully to Barbara (who I've met, and is a real sweetiepie), that it seems to me that Barbara is being fooled. I had the VERY strong feeling that her abductees are ALL telling her overlaid stuff that's been put there by the ETs for PR misinformation purposes. And Barbara is sincerely and dutifully passing on the 'love and light' propaganda.
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105195-Are-ETs-Benevolent-or-Malevolent)
If there is any truth to the scenario that David Jacobs has concluded is under way — and I'd argue that this has to be taken seriously — then it's definitely hard to know what to do about it. But awareness and understanding has to be the first step.
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105195-Are-ETs-Benevolent-or-Malevolent)

[greybeard]

I would not be inclined to take one or two peoples word for this or anything else.
I haven't explored further as, pay up is a big turn off for me.
If there is any truth in this it will be fairly obvious in due course.

Chris

[Builder]

Here are some quotes from the FREE Experiencer Facebook Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/FREE.Experiencers/)

I have no idea who is right in this matter, but I find Richard Dolan's approach of presenting both sides very valuable. While not a big fan of paywalls either, I can't imagine that Jacobs said anything in that second part that he hasn't said before.


He has a fixed agenda and has no interest in facts or data. To support his hypothesis, he asks leading questions. I once watched one of his hypnotherapy sessions and talked to one of his clients, the entire session was ritualised abuse. For what it's worth, i used to be the UK therapist for ACERN , so i know what i am talking about. He is in the same mould as Budd Hopkins and Laurie McDonald, in comparison with the much more highly qualified Dr John Mack of Harvard University, who held an opposing view. I believe Mr Jacobs is a historian by profession, not a mental health professional !!!!


I interpreted his sessions as he described them totally differently. He ascribes sinister motives to every event the subject described. I saw no reason to do so. He seems to take any negative testimony verbatim. And that he never to my knowledge inquired his subjects if they felt that the experiences might have some positivism is IMO, key. He's totally leading the subjects.


Has anybody actually met and talked with the man? He is so closed-minded that an open conversation exploring other possibilities is impossible. Anyone not open to questioning their research is not a researcher - they are simply ignorant, inmo.


Reinerio Hernandez: First, he is not a researcher. He has stated in many of his interviews that he has "worked" with at most 200 individuals. This is NOT ACADEMIC RESEARCH. Remember, what he does, he hypnotically regresses folks. Hypnosis, done by a properly trained and neutral academic, such as the late Dr. John Mack, can be a useful tool. Several months ago we place a video of one of his regressions on this site and he was talking with the lady BEFORE she was regressed. about his last client who also had an experience with a Reptilian and this other lady told him so many horrors. Remember, this was BEFORE the regression even began. During the interview he have her so many leading questions. Finally, this was 200 individuals that were in his living room couch and these individuals were self selective and not randomly self selected like the respondents to our research survey. He also stated that 100% of these experiences were highly negative and that he has NEVER heard of someone having a POSITIVE experience. Well, in our survey, based not on 200 self selected individuals but over 6,000 individuals who spent more than 10 hours answering our 3 surveys, over 85% of these individuals, stated that these experiences were mainly positive. Now who do you believe, David Jacobs with his biased agenda, or the 6,000 individuals that took our surveys?

[Bill Ryan]

Now who do you believe, David Jacobs with his biased agenda, or the 6,000 individuals that took our surveys?

In his interview with Richard Dolan, Jacobs pointed out, I think correctly, that no meaningful abduction research could possibly be conducted by an online survey.

The reason being — my paraphrase! — that what an abductee BELIEVED happened and what really DID happen might be totally, totally different.

[greybeard]

As a profession Hypnotherapist retired.
I would say that hypnotic recall is not that reliable.
The mind that is multipurpose, awake, dreaming, in trance, is very susceptible to imagination and suggestion.
So mind in any state is not that good at recalling accurately anything that happened.

Chris

[Hervé]

...

I recall reading a while back about a young'un meeting with "red diablos" in his dreams who were telling him they were about to invade earth, etc., and asking an old shaman about it... and the shaman's answer: "Oh, they always say that..."

Here is a variation on that theme from here (http://www.biroz.net/words/looking-with-lizard-eyes.htm) (<---):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png I first read about Reptilian Intelligence in ‘The Way of The Shaman’ by Michael Harner way back in the early 90s. In the opening chapter, he recounts an ayahuasca experience in which he travels to the edge of the Universe and meets some winged reptilian creatures who offer him power and control of the whole world. On recounting this to his shaman teacher, the old man chuckles and replies ‘Oh, they always say that. Take no notice of them.’


:whistle:

... so, we would need to ask the researchers to make sure they record the name, rank, matricule # of the ones they are interviewing via their abductees' minds... or, even nail down who they (researchers) are talking to /interrogating in the first place...

[Builder]

So the conclusion is, that neither the hypnotic regression of Jacobs nor the conscious recall approach from FREE are worth that much?

Is there a trickster playing his games? What if WE with our human minds are the trickster?

[Astute]

I find this sort of interview very frustrating as it lacks key components that I believe are necessary if it is to be taken seriously by independent thinkers. (For transparency I will say I stopped listening after 45 minutes as I was getting frustrated!) I am not saying that the conclusions are not true nor am I saying it isn't all valid. What I am saying is that the interview lacks enough evidence for me to have sound reasons to believe it is true. I guess one essential component I would need (in order to be convinced) is a detailed knowledge of the research findings of David Jacobs. I did not hear a sufficient level of scrutiny applied to these findings or Richard Dolan ask what I would consider to be 'hard' questions concerning David Jacob's research. The format of the 'interview' (or better described in my vocabulary as a 'casual chat'), reminds me too much of the 'interviews' David Wilcox gave to Corey Goode in Cosmic Disclosure, although not as incredulous on the scale of things. The interview was too slanted to 'fear porn' for my liking, which is great for an entertainment channel but not so great for a channel seeking to uncover 'truth'.

I question the motivation of anyone in the alternative media, now, who runs a 'pay for view' platform. There are too many charlatans in this game and someone who requests upfront money to hear 'information' does themselves a great disservice. (I have no problems with someone who shares information freely and asks for donations at the end if viewers found the information helpful or useful- these are the ones who have more credibility in my eyes!)

Some of the conclusions drawn by David Jacobs were not the only credible conclusions based on the evidence provided during the interview. He made some 'sensational' claims that would (quite likely) engender an emotional response of fear, but did not run through alternative interpretations and why he discounted them. One example was the anatomy of the greys' body and his conclusion that they had to be bred by aliens. He never raised nor repudiated the idea that these abductions his 'clients' experienced could be at the hands of man made black project agencies, which to me seems at least possible. It is a matter of public record that mkultra type mind control operations exists. I doubt that the full technical capabilities of this sort of project have been made public. There was no discussion that some of these greys themselves may be some sort of cyborg creation of similar black project agencies. His description of the greys not seeming to breathe or eat and having little in the way of situational awareness sounds exactly like some sort of programmable cyborg to me!

Some of the questions I would want answered include (and they may have been answered in the portion I didn't hear):

1. Is there conclusive evidence that these 'aliens' or 'greys' are from extra-terrestrial origin rather than man made black project operations?

2. Are his conclusions the only valid conclusions from all available evidence?

3. Is it believable that government agencies around the world are unaware of the agenda of these aliens? What evidence is there that such agencies are collaborating with or opposing this agenda?

In the absence of hard data, with limited information, it is not difficult to paint very dark or very bright scenarios. From what information I have, this video, to some degree, exploited this reality on the side of a negative scenario.

[greybeard]

So the conclusion is, that neither the hypnotic regression of Jacobs nor the conscious recall approach from FREE are worth that much?

Is there a trickster playing his games? What if WE with our human minds are the trickster?

Builder I agree.
There is no balance in portraying the ETs as having intention to take over the planet.
Its a blanket statement
In this Universe of Duality there is all shades of "grey" pun intended.
So if there are those determined to take over this world there will be those who will not allow it to happen.
I have faith in a intelligence that looks after the Universe and therefore the planet.
The story portrayed in the opening post is just not going to happen.

Chris

[Niv]

I personally find this sort of fretting about paywalls to be illogical. Would you question the need to pay someone for their book? Dolan's member site has a lot of original content that takes time to create. Also, he is a full-time researcher. This is his sole source of income and we all need to pay the mortgage. As for the drama about Jacob's take on abductions, his conclusions are all over youtube available for free. Or, better yet, BUY one of his books.

I have no connection with Dolan, I just get frustrated when people expect other people to devote their life to provide them free content. I don't know about you but I personally expect to get paid when I'm working. After all, I have a mortgage too.

[greybeard]

Niv
Its down to context.
The way the money is asked for, the content, etc.
There are many people here on Avalon who research and regularly post without thought of reward.

Chris

[Pam]

So the conclusion is, that neither the hypnotic regression of Jacobs nor the conscious recall approach from FREE are worth that much?

Is there a trickster playing his games? What if WE with our human minds are the trickster?

Bingo.I think you are on to something...the mind can manifest an alternative reality that is absolutely believable and very, very convincing. I have experienced it. The only way one can verify is to find consistencies and continuity in this reality, otherwise, in my opinion, everything else is very, very questionable. I am not saying deception is involved, but the mind is very, very powerful.

[Hervé]

So, I guess we are in the midst of another kind of "migrants" crisis as a result of some cosmic cointelpro/psy-op:



The three pillars:


It’s secretive/clandestine



It’s global



It’s inter-generational.

They can control us, we can’t control them => superior/inferior species, etc… [Greys are not a "species" per se since they can't reproduce, yet they are telepathic and use hypnotic telepathy to prove to anyone the moon is made of blue cheese: "See it for yourself, see!"]

... echoes of Truman Cash's "The Programming of a Planet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions)" or Jacques Vallée (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68281-MESSENGERS-OF-DECEPTION-Jacques-Vallee&p=795215&viewfull=1#post795215)...

[Bill Ryan]

I personally expect to get paid when I'm working. After all, I have a mortgage too.

Thanks!


A reminder: please don't forget to donate to the Forum (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15584-A-reminder-please-don-t-forget-to-donate-to-the-Forum) :)

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[5th]

Surely if ETs really wanted to take the planet it would be easy for them to do so with their advanced technology - so they would already have done so.

It's a bit like claims that the Illuminati want to greatly reduce the population of the planet. That's very easy to do if you have the power and so they would have already done so.

People just love to believe in doomsday scenarios but I don't. I believe it's a benign universe...

[Chip]

Surely if ETs really wanted to take the planet it would be easy for them to do so with their advanced technology - so they would already have done so.

It's a bit like claims that the Illuminati want to greatly reduce the population of the planet. That's very easy to do if you have the power and so they would have already done so.

People just love to believe in doomsday scenarios but I don't. I believe it's a benign universe...

There most definitely are doomsday scenarios.
Our planets archeological history is replete with evidence suggesting it’s quite common.

[Bill Ryan]

Surely if ETs really wanted to take the planet it would be easy for them to do so with their advanced technology - so they would already have done so.

It's a bit like claims that the Illuminati want to greatly reduce the population of the planet. That's very easy to do if you have the power and so they would have already done so.

People just love to believe in doomsday scenarios but I don't. I believe it's a benign universe...

A few thoughts to stimulate the interesting discussion. :)

It's possible that we've been watched for generations, to see what might happen when we (inevitably) developed powerful technology. It might be that after a long period of observation, some high-level ET decision has been made that we're dangerous... not only to ourselves, and to our entire biosphere, but also maybe to them.

If that's happened, then this would probably be a recent development. Most likely, after 1947.

Much has been hoped and wished for about benevolent ETs helping us in our development, and with our problems... etc etc. But if one imagines observing the whole human race from a safe distance, I don't think one would see much benevolence, awareness, responsibility or any kind of spiritual intelligence in the human race as a whole.

What any ETs would see — whether they're demonic or angelic! :) — would be


Greed, cruelty, unawareness and selfishness.
Disconnection from nature and from the biosphere that we depend on.
Irresponsible use of high technology.
No ability of governments to manage any of this (indeed, they'd see that our governments themselves are power-hungry and self-serving).

I think we'd be regarded rather as we ourselves regard unpredictably dangerous animals in a jungle. The watching ETs would


Keep their distance.
Maintain a defensive stance.
Maybe try to intervene, and solve the growing problem, by covertly and methodically infiltrating our society and collective genome.

[Astute]

What any ETs would see — whether they're demonic or angelic! :) — would be


Greed, cruelty, unawareness and selfishness.
Disconnection from nature and from the biosphere that we depend on.
Irresponsible use of high technology.
No ability of governments to manage any of this (indeed, they'd see that our governments themselves are power-hungry and self-serving).



Hmmm... What about them seeing a prison planet where the population are slaves without the majority even realising they are slaves? I have seen all the characteristics that are listed here from many of the population (but no means by all of the population.) Is it true that people who are manipulated (without their knowledge or consent) tend to behave in the manner desired by their manipulators?

Imagine the scenario where a sufficient gene pool of human population were to 'crash land' on an alien planet, capable of supporting human life, with an abundant supply of natural resources. Would it be inevitable that the society formed by such a group of humans (without external influences) degenerate into the society we call humanity on planet earth today? If yes then I would agree with:



I think we'd be regarded rather as we ourselves regard unpredictably dangerous animals in a jungle. The watching ETs would


Keep their distance.
Maintain a defensive stance.
Maybe try to intervene, and solve the growing problem, by covertly and methodically infiltrating our society and collective genome.

[5th]

What any ETs would see — whether they're demonic or angelic! :) — would be


Greed, cruelty, unawareness and selfishness.
Disconnection from nature and from the biosphere that we depend on.
Irresponsible use of high technology.
No ability of governments to manage any of this (indeed, they'd see that our governments themselves are power-hungry and self-serving).

I think we'd be regarded rather as we ourselves regard unpredictably dangerous animals in a jungle. The watching ETs would


Undeniably true but they would also see kindness and unselfishness.
A new generation and movement to reconnect with nature.
An increasing number aware that governments are power-hungry, self-serving and corrupt.

On balance I think things are improving.

That said, certainly the majority are disconnected and unaware but if these ETs were waiting until we had dangerous technology and had begun to destroy the biosphere that means they are not demonic and simply wanting to take over the planet.

[Builder]

Some statements from the video below (not verbatim):


I only have to ask often enough and I will get the exact same answer from everyone

Does this mean that people just can't remember at first, or that he is asking suggestive questions until he is getting the exact answer he wanted to get?


Usually people can't remember much in the first session, but if we go in the 5th time, they can remember all the details

I am no hypnotherapist, is it like that with all regressions? Or is he leading the subjects until they have built up a scenario in their mind that has all the details in it that he would expect?


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[5th]

Some statements from the video below (not verbatim):


I only have to ask often enough and I will get the exact same answer from everyone

Does this mean that people just can't remember at first, or that he is asking suggestive questions until he is getting the exact answer he wanted to get?


Usually people can't remember much in the first session, but if we go in the 5th time, they can remember all the details

I am no hypnotherapist, is it like that with all regressions? Or is he leading the subjects until they have built up a scenario in their mind that has all the details in it that he would expect?

As an ex hypnotherapist I can confirm that it usually takes several sessions for people to remember deeply buried stuff but also that it is easy to plant suggestions of what they should be saying. So we can be sure that hypnotists with a self serving agenda can indeed get the results they want.

In fact, a subject does not even have to be hypnotised to plant suggestions. Given the right subliminal wording most people can have their opinions and beliefs changed completely. By subliminal wording this usual means composing a sentence where two adjacent words create the sound of another word that is picked up subconsciously. This is scarily effective and may well be used on TV to sway public opinion without them having any idea whatsoever.

[Agape]

Some statements from the video below (not verbatim):


I only have to ask often enough and I will get the exact same answer from everyone

Does this mean that people just can't remember at first, or that he is asking suggestive questions until he is getting the exact answer he wanted to get?


Usually people can't remember much in the first session, but if we go in the 5th time, they can remember all the details

I am no hypnotherapist, is it like that with all regressions? Or is he leading the subjects until they have built up a scenario in their mind that has all the details in it that he would expect?





I think you’ve hit the nail on its head, at least where my experiences go.

Almost every second researcher do the same mistake kind of underestimating the intelligence we are encountering. Whatever is shared by humans turns to subject of subliminal psychic transference and later, programming.
Some milab ( old term for military laboratory test victims but of course this is not necessarily to do with military at all) noticed and reported it themselves, that is in old times when they tried to be brutally honest about it: scenarios of repeated ( and detailed) abductions and ET contact can be and are most frequently created under hypnosis, regression type or even drug assisted where imagination is given free reign.
People who experiment with hallucinogens ( example: LSD or Ayahuasca) very often see “aliens” all around or draw grand imaginative landscapes and describe having contact with entities of another kind.
To anyone experienced in psychotherapy field who listened, and investigated these people and experiences closely it’s clear enough that those are NOT ET contact reports or experiences.
They may be subliminal memories of ours, related to other Universes we have ever inhabited and experiences of co-mergent dimensions around us but they do not qualify as ET contact reports.

There’s a thin line. Most direct ET Contact is obvious to the direct witness .
Even if difficult to describe or never talked about for years,
those tend to be very STRONG and UNIQUE experiences that are hard to compare to another ones in fact,
the reason maybe uniqueness and sophistication of the civilisation intelligence we are meeting.

Strangely enough ( and exactly to grave displeasure to both scientists and researchers) true ET Contact experiences seem to convey new message( intelligence) each time and are unique to the bearer( Contact witness).

As if their intelligence expected from us to come together and put those “puzzle pieces” together which is probably what they would do( think of rather advanced society).

Unfortunately for us down here, human flock aren’t that advanced and our researchers tend to think purely human ways about it,
more repetitiveness the better.

So also people commonly report the same type of dreams and scenarios. Those who become “therapist” develop their own theory, good or bad and they do lead/program their clients, subliminally.

We would need far better experts in that area ( high IQs really) to make any good use of hypnosis and retrieval of unique message( intel) with each witness.

Well, guess I’ve said too much , again but I’m conveying this message both as first hand ET contact witness ( never required any regression to the event as it was unmistakingly the strongest event in this human life, it will always be in my memory , such as you’d not forget nuclear blast )
but also as a therapist/meditation teacher who spent years on counselling others ( including trauma regression therapy).

It’s difficult ( and will be for some time yet) to explain this correctly on forum among so called “experiencers”, I faced problem with telling them “the truth” about it years ago( back in 2006) ,
many people will disagree . Please feel free to do so.

But much if not most of our human experiencing is part and facet of shared psychological profile, profiling , transfer of sublime ideas ( think of religious visions shared among certain groups and ethnics unique to them alone but then becoming global phenomenon once people learn the information from books or internet, for example) and thus, subjectivity and programming.

It requires intense and honest spiritual effort to cleanse ones self of layers and layers of subliminal programming , stick to the truth to avoid traps and temptations of influences and influencers that offer “common and uncommon comfort” of being one with whole again and same with other humans.
Some frightened ET Contact witnesses feel very lone and isolated for long time and long actually for anything that would make them closer to other humans.
( I know how it feels).

But if you wish and insist on keeping your mind and memory pure, honest and intact,
you’ll be avoiding influencers( and hypnotists) as strongly as possible and you’re completely capable of doing so, in case you’re truthful.

Spiritual work becomes the most important as is reconciliation with the fact that your knowledge is unique and one of a kind and will be so, for long enough , perhaps most of our natural life time.

It’s not easy to reconcile with facts or not being able to share the experience fully . It’s not easy , not getting rewarded for it, not easy for not becoming more than you already are.

But in my honest opinion it’s far better than adding some pluses, some minuses, extra colours and scenarios of how good or bad it is, in the big picture.

Myself I’m still, always watching the Skies( and the news) and I’m quite sure there’ll be next event that will make far better sense ( to all of us , hopefully ) than the previous ones.

But at the same time( from the news then) I also know it won’t be earlier than WE ALL grow more intelligent and more humane and are able to work together as species and advanced social group. Without lies and ridicule and treating each other badly.


That’s my message , thank you :coffee:



P.S.: It took me 16 years and half to come to the kind of (inconclusive) conclusion above and lots of research efforts as well.
At the beginning I trusted that I will be trusted for being truthful. It only worked with other truthful people. No matter whether they ever experienced ET contact. But then, most of those who didn’t can’t understand or believe these matters fully, perhaps for lack of repetitive or material evidence.
Then I placed my faith with fellow experiencers and researchers of the phenomena but found after many years that most are stuck on the same mile stone, earlier or further as I’m.

The whole awareness and “science” of it developed since as a field , tremendously , thanks to internet and human collaboration , so thanks to those many truth seekers and researchers here and out there even if we are all, as a matter of fact, little stucked.

Space science became the “name of the Day” during past couple of decades and there’s ton of subtle evidence too, most isn’t cast in stone but the better of it seems scattered among living witnesses. It’s not easy to copy formulae or hieroglyphs from more sophisticated civilisation while good third of human populace still struggles with literacy( and I don’t mean it literarily now).
But ask average adult to copy a text they’ve read one or two times from memory and you’ll see we have some struggles.

Yet..so many people apart and around the globe keep working this out, in their art, symbols, technical ideas, new and fresh perspectives on humanity.
Matters like protection of global environment that were once too “far out” to be explained to some of our “elders” turned to increasing global awareness and acute priority.
Old technologies are being replaced by new ones and ideas of new crystal clear technologies are slowly emerging, from the dirt and despite all the odds.

So I do think that “we have” made some progress after all and the benevolent message is working through humanity.

It’s not easy to discern between the “benevolent” and “harmful” consequences of ET contact.
Some of it occurs because/when we are deeply conditioned against it. The conditioning goes along organic state of human brain as well and fearing what’s more advanced than we can process.

About not-so-benevolent ETs or humans , I think we need to judge their behaviours by principles known to us already and in many cases duly,
refine our discernment.

For example, there’s lots of biological mixing going on , on planet Earth. The “eat or be eaten” and sometimes also “mate with everybody”. Many of current disorders come from mixing lots of alien information to ours and I don’t refer to Space.
We have been ingesting plants, all kinds of animals, fungi , molds, bacterial colonies and plenty of extra viruses, now n then.
“Eat or be eaten” feels good enough for powerful predator organism, very seldom for the prey.
So beware of the same principle in Space as well. It’s safer not to eat or be offered as a food stock.

Sounds laughable perhaps but not always obvious. Consuming other life forms or craving to consume can produce fear even among very advanced species.
Nuff said .

[Bill Ryan]

is [David Jacobs] leading the subjects until they have built up a scenario in their mind that has all the details in it that he would expect?

I think what needs to be considered for inclusion here is that David Jacobs doesn't want this ET takeover scenario to be real. He's hardly enthusiastic about it.

To the contrary: he's dismayed and highly alarmed. He insists he's just following the gross consistencies in the information that's recounted to him, all of which is independent. (i.e. abductees don't know what any other abductees are coming up with. None of them have compared notes with one another.)

Looking at this from quite a distance (including on this thread :) ) one might note that it's everyone else who's questioning the data because they just can't accept that this might be anything real. (That's not scientific, either!)

If one takes David Jacobs at face value in his accounts of how he proceeds, he's asking open questions in his sessions... just as one should.

Like: "Look to your right. What do you see?" and "What happened just before you found yourself in the room you just described? How did you get there?" — and so on. These are hardly value-weighted, leading questions.

Richard Dolan himself has recounted witness reports, told to him personally, of human-looking ETs who clearly seem to be following some unknown agenda, are fully telepathic, and DO NOT want to be identified. Their demeanor, in each case, wasn't malevolent, but it was hardly altruistic either. Rather, they seemed to be following just the same patterns of behavior as a human spy would, like a Russian agent in Washington.

Why they're here, why they're so secretive, and what their agenda is, are all very good (unanswered) questions.

Here's the video in which Richard himself tells a number of these stories, which he states were recounted to him by very credible witnesses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbVyST3W9s0

[Ratszinger]

Seeing as all life on this planet is likely their doing and this likely their zoo creation along with us it stands to reason if they wanted to be violent or evil they would have done so by now. What it appears is they are continually genetically altering zoo animals and documenting results. I don't think just because Dr. Jacobs sees something new that it is new. I think it's been here a long time. Rip Van Winkle is an abduction tale and Sumerian writings over 6000 years old depict similar experiments. It is for serious study but my guess is we are just one of many experiments they work on actively and they probably have garden environments on other planets much like our own. They may even have some here we are unaware of somewhere in the dark corners of the globe.

[Forest Denizen]

I think the true agenda, if there is one (and there may be many), regarding ETs of multiple descriptions and their repeated visits to earth over many millennia is likely complex and/or multi-faceted. I also think their origins may be multitudinous (other planets, solar systems, galaxies, our own future, other dimensions, etc.)

I also believe that we are all biased in our perceptions one way or another and often won’t admit or even recognize our own biases. I know I tend toward the belief that since these beings are visiting and have been for a long time, they are likely more advanced than we are, at least, technologically.

Considering the fact that the universe is likely many billions of years old, many portions of it much older than is our portion, there are very possibly civilizations immensely older than ours. That is, if they haven’t, every single one, self-destructed upon reaching some stage of technological know-how, as we, hopefully, will not.

If true, then a civilization that has continued to progress without self-destructing could possibly be literally many millions if not billions of years beyond where we’re at. If there are such civilizations, then I would tend to believe that they reached such a stage/age not by warring and conquering within and/or without their own civilization but by learning to coexist. Maybe even harmoniously.

That is what I prefer to believe. However, I do think it’s always important to remain alert to any possibilities. I think Richard Dolan and David Jacobs are biased as is Barbara Lamb. Richard Dolan makes a big point to appear unbiased, but I must say, as someone who was raised and has lived both in the east (NYC and very near Philly) and the west coast, I found his characterization (in a video posted, I think, on the "Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?" thread) of Southern Californians distasteful AND, clearly, very biased.

Anyway, I digress. I remain open to all well documented/researched information and maybe these ETs do want to eat us/enslave us, take over, but maybe there are those ETs who would like to, and are, assisting.

This discussion/thread reminds me of one of the all-time great Twilight Zone episodes in which aliens come to earth and they have an important text entitled “To Serve Man.” Everyone is delighted until they realize that it is a cookbook! :bigsmile:

[DNA]

So the conclusion is, that neither the hypnotic regression of Jacobs nor the conscious recall approach from FREE are worth that much?

Is there a trickster playing his games? What if WE with our human minds are the trickster?

Almost all abduction memories procured through hypnotic regression are misleading theatrics placed there by the abductors. Who ever the abductors are they understand hypnotic regression work and have devised a defense against it. Unless a regression therapist understands how to pierce that theatrical performance they will never understand or even hear what is really going on. Barbara Bartholic and Kathleen Turner come to mind here, both doing work that is out of this world and they aquired their false memory piercing regression techniques from Dr. Jacobs.

[Spellbound]

HI Bill, thx for starting this thread with my post about Dr. David Jacobs. Interestingly, I was meaning to ask you about your opinion on him in your Q&A thread. Admittedly, I can get behind some of what he proposes in terms of hybrids and what he refers to as hubrids. Where he loses me however, is where he feels that ET's have only been having contact with humans since the late 1800's or so. According to Jacobs, there were no ET abductions dating back before then....as if only in recent times have they been interested in us. I can't say I agree with this. I think ET's have been here for a very long time (long before us)...and they've been tinkering with our DNA throughout the ages. Unfortunately, I don't think Dr. Jacobs sees it this way.

Dave - Toronto

[Ratszinger]

If you read last editions of the Lexicons Recentis Latinitatis published by the Liberia Editrice Vaticana (Vatican) where they insert the Latin neologisms you'll find that the Vatican scholars themselves from long ago and approved with regular updates inserted and left standing to this day "navis sidraelis which means 'starship' describing what the saw and depicted.


The Vatican also inserted aeria navis, or, "airship", and they inserted "aereus viator" which is astronaut or at the very least referring to a pilot! And they inserted the acronym for this thing they saw flying as a" R.I.V." which means in Latin, "res inexplicatae volantes" or that is another way to say, UFOs! So here we have a solid proof of these ones from thousands of years ago to primitive men. So now we can call that UFO's what the bible refers to them as and be 'official' referring to them as R.I.V.s So approved by the Catholic church!

So that depiction, that pictogram showing this flying thing scholars show us and describe is the one depicted in the very beginning by the very first witness to write down about it, that person, the one who saw and told about those flying guys. So it is an 'unknown thing' that 'hovers' decidedly over the water and it has a pilot and it makes no noise!

Now jump ahead some time as they've settled into the area and go to the Sumerian talesand we find according to Biglino, as well as others like Geovanni Pettinato who when alive was a world wide authority who chaired the European commission to create the Sumerian library that the translations tell us they were experimenting on us then. The Sumerians describe quite clearly being afraid of these guys doing experiments.

To quote Mauro Biglino some, "Sumerians tell us of these guys making one that could not hold back urine, one that could not close his eyes, one with a crooked spine, one without genitals, one unable to eat, I don't even remember them all but not important.

They made a lot wrong. A really horrible one is made note of, one made by coincidence with the extracted material from the blood of one of the presumed gods chiefs! How bout that, the least successful attempt was one from Enki's own blood. At some point they gave the other of the big two bosses a try. Enlil. Can you imagine? From Enki they got a complete and horrible failure. It was a hairy being with a closed throat, imperfect eyes, twisted ribs, and paralyzed spine! It's heart, head and intestines were damaged and all written of in precise detail! It was also unable to lift it's hands. "

To me this is rock solid proof they've been here a long time. Much longer than since the 1800's or `1600s. They go way way back to before man was here as we know him now. I doubt the hominid that depicted that flying machine in the air was a homo sapien like us at all but probably was something much different.

[Hervé]

A visual summary of recorded "weird" things in history:

UFOs and Extraterrestrials in Art History (https://in5d.com/ufos-and-extraterrestrials-in-art-history/)

Also:

UFOs and Extraterrestrials in Art History (http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html)

Now, are these different waves of invaders/visitors or are they the results from scheduled inventories of the "Rez?"

[Valerie Villars]

is [David Jacobs] leading the subjects until they have built up a scenario in their mind that has all the details in it that he would expect?

I think what needs to be considered for inclusion here is that David Jacobs doesn't want this ET takeover scenario to be real. He's hardly enthusiastic about it.

To the contrary: he's dismayed and highly alarmed. He insists he's just following the gross consistencies in the information that's recounted to him, all of which is independent. (i.e. abductees don't know what any other abductees are coming up with. None of them have compared notes with one another.)

Looking at this from quite a distance (including on this thread :) ) one might note that it's everyone else who's questioning the data because they just can't accept that this might be anything real. (That's not scientific, either!)

If one takes David Jacobs at face value in his accounts of how he proceeds, he's asking open questions in his sessions... just as one should.

Like: "Look to your right. What do you see?" and "What happened just before you found yourself in the room you just described? How did you get there?" — and so on. These are hardly value-weighted, leading questions.

Richard Dolan himself has recounted witness reports, told to him personally, of human-looking ETs who clearly seem to be following some unknown agenda, are fully telepathic, and DO NOT want to be identified. Their demeanor, in each case, wasn't malevolent, but it was hardly altruistic either. Rather, they seemed to be following just the same patterns of behavior as a human spy would, like a Russian agent in Washington.

Why they're here, why they're so secretive, and what their agenda is, are all very good (unanswered) questions.

Here's the video in which Richard himself tells a number of these stories, which he states were recounted to him by very credible witnesses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbVyST3W9s0

Bill, the above description is EXACTLY the way I experienced these beings. Exactly.

It is why I have had such a tough time in the last five years. Why were they interested in me? What did/do they want with me (or anyone else)?

Their behaviour seemed eerily reminiscent of three letter agencies, who also seemed to be interested. It was really, really strange stuff.

[Pam]

What any ETs would see — whether they're demonic or angelic! :) — would be


Greed, cruelty, unawareness and selfishness.
Disconnection from nature and from the biosphere that we depend on.
Irresponsible use of high technology.
No ability of governments to manage any of this (indeed, they'd see that our governments themselves are power-hungry and self-serving).



Hmmm... What about them seeing a prison planet where the population are slaves without the majority even realising they are slaves? I have seen all the characteristics that are listed here from many of the population (but no means by all of the population.) Is it true that people who are manipulated (without their knowledge or consent) tend to behave in the manner desired by their manipulators?

Imagine the scenario where a sufficient gene pool of human population were to 'crash land' on an alien planet, capable of supporting human life, with an abundant supply of natural resources. Would it be inevitable that the society formed by such a group of humans (without external influences) degenerate into the society we call humanity on planet earth today? If yes then I would agree with:



I think we'd be regarded rather as we ourselves regard unpredictably dangerous animals in a jungle. The watching ETs would


Keep their distance.
Maintain a defensive stance.
Maybe try to intervene, and solve the growing problem, by covertly and methodically infiltrating our society and collective genome.


I kind of cringe a bit, when I hear the argument that we are not responsible for the mess we live in because we are being manipulated. I do believe we are being manipulated to some degree and very likely it is from an outside force. Does that abdicate all personal responsibility? Yes, we are definitely compromised but we can still make decisions. I don't know if it is to our best interest to say, it's not our fault, someone is making us do this.

Regarding your scenario about humans crash landing on a planet. Do I think eventually we would degenerate into another situation like this? As long as we but self interest first, eventually some kind of distortion will happen. There will be those that want more for themselves, there will be those that crave power. There will be the meek and trusting ones that are easy prey to those that would do anything to have more and control. There will be those that have a lazy temperament and would rather others work for them... the story is age old.

[Valerie Villars]

I was listening to a Joseph P. Farrell talk yesterday and I couldn't help but notice how many times he tempted the listener with the "member only" information. He would talk a small amount about a topic and then refer to the "members only", payed site where one could get more information. So what was once given freely is now monetized, and where money enters the picture there will always be the temptation of corrupting the info or dishing it out slowly to keep the viewers coming. I think that falls under the category of monetizing information.

Last week, Richard Dolan interviewed abduction researcher Dr David Jacobs — whose work I greatly respect and value. The video is here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQE6qkwfaGo). The title is (in upper case):

THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS.

That's dramatic, and is intended to attract attention. But David sincerely and urgently believes this. He maintains that his very meticulously conducted regression research shows this beyond any doubt. Richard takes him seriously, and the interview is 55 mins long.

It couldn't be a more important topic, if there's even the slightest truth to this.

But here's the rub. Is this entertainment, and/or a product to sell — or vital, essential information for us all to somehow grasp and understand?

At 56:19, at the end of the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQE6qkwfaGo), Richard says:



"To hear David and I continue this conversation, you can go to my website, richarddolanmembers.com, where he and I go quite a bit further with some of the aspects of this discussion."
So. Dr David Jacobs, a VERY smart and grounded researcher with a great deal of experience, has concluded — CONCLUDED, not 'has come to believe' — that the Earth is being covertly taken over, with a goal to colonize the planet and replace us with hybrids.

Listen up. We're being invaded. Sign up and pay, and then we'll tell you more.

***

If anyone's a member, please record the conversation in any way you can, and I'll publish it freely on this new thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105369-THIS-PLANET-WILL-BE-THEIRS-David-Jacobs-conclusion-about-the-ET-agenda).

I just remembered something. I consider myself very human. After eight full months of high strangeness and non human human interaction, I was waiting tables at a little restaurant in the town where I grew up.

A man would come in every Saturday with a book, and quietly drink a Margarita while enjoying his meal and his drink. I recognized him from years earlier. He was a homeopathic natural healer I had once consulted.

I mentioned a book I was reading, "The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive". He looked a bit startled and said "I thought I recognized.......You know, they're trying to get rid of us."

At the time I was highly perceptive and I knew he meant us humans.

[Bill Ryan]

Listening now to this long (2hrs 25 mins) interview presentation by Clif High. I'm only half an hour in, but he cites David Jacobs' work and fully supports the thesis of this thread.

He urges everyone to take it seriously, and exhorts the alt community not to get distracted with irrelevancies, as this could not be more important.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE5I6acdPD0[/url]

[Delight]

He looked a bit startled and said "I thought I recognized.......You know, they're trying to get rid of us."

At the time I was highly perceptive and I knew he meant us humans.

I don't know what to think about this topic? I don't feel attracted at all to exploring the alien hybrid material and never have been. What I am interested in exploring is the fact that civilizations have COME AND GONE with much evidence of extraordinary intelligence of the previous "people". In the 1980's and 1990's I was very interested in the (new then) evidence that giants had lived in North America. It was very different then to find information and I recall that I was overjoyed to find certain books like Graham Hancock's work and Michael Cremo. One had to go to libraries and even to micro film to dig deeper.

Then in the early 2000's all of a sudden everything that used to be seemingly extreme to contemplate was available. Now as in the other thread about future shock, so much information is available that unless one sifts, one may come across a mishmash of opinions deliberately separated from fact and accept that and be led astray. Also as in hypnosis and its ability to insert information, look at the Satanic Panic of the late 20th Century. But maybe we ARE being visited?

Reasons to Believe (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/03/13-reasons-to-believe-aliens-are-real.html)

The people I respect most regarding alien encounters and alternative perspective to nuts and bolts UFO is Jacque Vallee and the late John Mack. Though I don't understand what is happening, I accept that the multiverse has sentient life that is vastly different from our own physical experience. The Buddhists have always said that is so, the indigenous North Americans, the Dogon and so many others.

I consider myself to be a loving being and that I care about the planet but FRANKLY I am contributing to a world of plastic, oil consumption, factory farms etc. Every day I participate in some (what seems) positive and some horrible behaviors because I cannot figure out how to stop (as yet). Compounding my own contribution into the billions is a civilization that is aiming at being disposable. So it is NATURAL IMO that we would know that about ourselves (that we are indeed guilty of stupidity) and introject the same "state" to ourselves... that we are Disposable. We may be projecting the fear that some Others would dispose of us rather than face we may be disposing of us? IMO it is a kind of guilt displacement.

I am not ultmately worried about the extinction of the body particularly. What I wish for us is that we choose to be able to live BIGGER than this seeming dead end I see around me.

IMO if anything, extra or ultra terrestrials won't be so priimitive as we by far. Should we face head on that we are NOT the best and brightest. Maybe the future will see a new kind of sentient life form (or many) on the planet? I don't wnat to reincarnate into this kind of life style which is so competitive, so mentally limited, so emotionally traumatized and focused on gathering material stuff to be thrown out soon.

The climate seems to be naturally unstable and by ignoring our fragility human behavior is in a self destructive crisis. Maybe there won't be any way our form of meat suits will survive as we know them to function? What should we do to support our survival? Or maybe we should just relax about entropy? Look at insects... some are possibly the next best form in an extreme climate?

The truth we can count on is that many vastly superior workmen disappeared long before we were "like we are now". I am certain human intelligence is only just a variety of many but we are full of hubris and ignorance. Humans know ourselves by tool making and culture IMO. IMO we have to go back to Pogo to see why we are afraid we are threatened.

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ccLsn97eyUY/VTf-mmMWb5I/AAAAAAAAigs/gusOlTLK0Jw/Pogo%252520Earth%252520Day%252520strip-8x6.jpg?imgmax=800

[Agape]

In reflection to Delights post and some of the discussion above,
“Crap. May I make a joke?”:ROFL:

“Not even one extraterrestrial was seen to be permitted to proclaim themselves and our ancient Space heritage on national media. Not ONE even.(in whispy whistle voice devoid of correct Afro-American accent)
Everything has to seem and look human. You do need human ID and registration to move around here, even to post here, I mean anywhere. To buy you a phone, number or computer. Everything has to look human.

Even on alternative media. The first and last question you ever get is (in squeaky style not requiring repetition): Tell us what’s your nationality . Name. Where you were born. How you grew up.
No one ever thinks of any other option. Of all these educated humans, no one expects any ET. ET seems to be always “someone else”, “somewhere else”, lurking in the shadows.
Hiding between the frequencies hmm haha.

ET just left the room.

Even if you ( be it Bill himself or anybody else) proclaim your ET identity ,
the most important question is still going to be something like:
How did you grow up ? Which of our foods do you like the most?

As an ET ..,I never ever forget it is all about and for humans here, in this world. Mostly. Kitchens, bathrooms, bedrooms, computers, everything. Crap:ROFL: Yet you complain of alien invasion.

Which alien? The illegal alien with no ID ?

What about peace and music loving alien who does not like any of the human wars and other nonsense, “alien agenda” the most.

Ok . End of Joke.


Makes me wonder why all the serious conspiracy of deadly serious aliens. It’s not legitimate. It seems to scare people a lot. Personally, I don’t trust any of these fear monger OMG creatures, human or alien.


Breathe deeply, look around ...


:bowing:

[East Sun]

If left to ourselves we are kind by nature, but when abused will of course fight back.

We are definitely being manipulated by a force with more power than we have,

What have people done in the past when they found themselves in this kind of situation?

They either joined with the stronger force or were defeated by them. UNLESS they

could come up with a better way OR could align with a stronger force, if one existed.

Does one exist that we know about?

I wish I knew of one. Maybe someone on here knows of a way to find a benevolent ally.

Physical. Spiritual or other. Or a combination of all three or anything we don't know about.

Give it some thought.....

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

E.S.

[Bill Ryan]

Listening now to this long (2hrs 25 mins) interview presentation by Clif High. I'm only half an hour in, but he cites David Jacobs' work and fully supports the thesis of this thread.

He urges everyone to take it seriously, and exhorts the alt community not to get distracted with irrelevancies, as this could not be more important.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE5I6acdPD0[/url]

A few bulletpoints:


As is usual with Clif, much of this is what Joseph Farrell would call high-octane speculation. Although Clif offers a kind of over-arching caveat at the very start of the interview, the rest of the time he's making bold, stark statements as if he knows for sure what he's stating. (And he doesn't. Anything that's not directly from David Jacob's work is his own conjecture.)



He mentions Jacobs' research two or three times in passing, but he really should reference Jacobs' meticulous many years of research, and the details of it and Jacob's own conclusions, a LOT more. It's like Clif is making out that a lot of this information is his own. It's not. He's presenting himself as a world-class expert in abductions. He's not.




Clif shares that HE's an abductee, has experienced missing time, and also had a physical implant removed from behind his left ear. If he's talked about this before, I'm unaware of it.



He refers to the insectalins (David Jacobs' term for what many call the 'mantids') as the senior ET race that's calling all the shots. Again, Clif doesn't cite how come Jacobs concludes this. Clif says 'they're insects', and therefore lack a vagus nerve. But they're not 'insects'. They LOOK like insects. Although Jacobs states (from his many completed regressions) that they're supremely intellectual and appear to lack emotions, that may not be connected with their insect-like appearance. Clif doesn't properly differentiate all this out.



The one major difference between Clif and Jacobs here is that Jacobs maintains that abductions are a new, modern, 20th century phenomenon. Clif disagrees (though he doesn't mention Jacob's different opinion), and states that abductions have been happening throughout recorded history. (My own perspective, btw: I don't know which is correct.)



Clif's mention of 5G (just really in the first half hour of the interview) is interesting, consisting of 100% speculation that the global, co-ordinated introduction of 5G may be to inhibit or counter the ETs' intentions to control or influence us telepathically.



Rex Bear (from the Leak Project), is out of his depth with Clif. He has no clear idea what to ask or how best to respond to what Clif is saying.

[Valerie Villars]

He looked a bit startled and said "I thought I recognized.......You know, they're trying to get rid of us."

At the time I was highly perceptive and I knew he meant us humans.

I don't know what to think about this topic? I don't feel attracted at all to exploring the alien hybrid material and never have been. What I am interested in exploring is the fact that civilizations have COME AND GONE with much evidence of extraordinary intelligence of the previous "people". In the 1980's and 1990's I was very interested in the (new then) evidence that giants had lived in North America. It was very different then to find information and I recall that I was overjoyed to find certain books like Graham Hancock's work and Michael Cremo. One had to go to libraries and even to micro film to dig deeper.

Then in the early 2000's all of a sudden everything that used to be seemingly extreme to contemplate was available. Now as in the other thread about future shock, so much information is available that unless one sifts, one may come across a mishmash of opinions deliberately separated from fact and accept that and be led astray. Also as in hypnosis and its ability to insert information, look at the Satanic Panic of the late 20th Century. But maybe we ARE being visited?

Reasons to Believe (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/03/13-reasons-to-believe-aliens-are-real.html)

The people I respect most regarding alien encounters and alternative perspective to nuts and bolts UFO is Jacque Vallee and the late John Mack. Though I don't understand what is happening, I accept that the multiverse has sentient life that is vastly different from our own physical experience. The Buddhists have always said that is so, the indigenous North Americans, the Dogon and so many others.

I consider myself to be a loving being and that I care about the planet but FRANKLY I am contributing to a world of plastic, oil consumption, factory farms etc. Every day I participate in some (what seems) positive and some horrible behaviors because I cannot figure out how to stop (as yet). Compounding my own contribution into the billions is a civilization that is aiming at being disposable. So it is NATURAL IMO that we would know that about ourselves (that we are indeed guilty of stupidity) and introject the same "state" to ourselves... that we are Disposable. We may be projecting the fear that some Others would dispose of us rather than face we may be disposing of us? IMO it is a kind of guilt displacement.

I am not ultmately worried about the extinction of the body particularly. What I wish for us is that we choose to be able to live BIGGER than this seeming dead end I see around me.

IMO if anything, extra or ultra terrestrials won't be so priimitive as we by far. Should we face head on that we are NOT the best and brightest. Maybe the future will see a new kind of sentient life form (or many) on the planet? I don't wnat to reincarnate into this kind of life style which is so competitive, so mentally limited, so emotionally traumatized and focused on gathering material stuff to be thrown out soon.

The climate seems to be naturally unstable and by ignoring our fragility human behavior is in a self destructive crisis. Maybe there won't be any way our form of meat suits will survive as we know them to function? What should we do to support our survival? Or maybe we should just relax about entropy? Look at insects... some are possibly the next best form in an extreme climate?

The truth we can count on is that many vastly superior workmen disappeared long before we were "like we are now". I am certain human intelligence is only just a variety of many but we are full of hubris and ignorance. Humans know ourselves by tool making and culture IMO. IMO we have to go back to Pogo to see why we are afraid we are threatened.

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ccLsn97eyUY/VTf-mmMWb5I/AAAAAAAAigs/gusOlTLK0Jw/Pogo%252520Earth%252520Day%252520strip-8x6.jpg?imgmax=800

My understanding is that it has a lot to do with our innate ability to be kind and compassionate and not so much about alien/hybrids. Maybe psychopaths versus humans?

But, I just don't know for sure.

[TrumanCash]

I can confirm from my own experiences that the Grays have been creating hybrids. They have shown me some of my hybrid children aboard a craft and I was even hypnotically controlled to have sex with a hybrid.

I stopped working with other abductees back in the 90's so I don't know what they are doing now. I don't know what their ultimate agenda is but I do wonder how much speculation David Jacobs does. I did read SECRET LIFE and THE THREAT but not his most recent book.

I do have to admit that it is certainly possible that they are planning on gradually replacing humans with their hybrids. It is obviously a massive project so they obviously have something major planned. Whatever they are planning I know of no way of stopping them unless other friendly ET groups get involved.

Also, from my experiences in this and past lives, they have doing the genetic tampering for a very long time. However, it could be possible (as Phil Schneider has claimed) that they entered this dimension because of the nuclear testing when it first started. From my experiences and research I have concluded that they can time travel, which would explain why I and the other abductees I worked with recovered past life abductions by Grays. So perhaps they did recently enter this timeline in the 20th century and then began time traveling back and forth on this timeline, adjusting their genetic tampering using their time travel technology.

For example, about two thousand years ago I was a woman who was abducted by Grays and they removed a hybrid from me. It was an interesting experience because I could experience the feelings that a woman can experience when her hybrid baby is taken. It was definitely a feeling of loss. Of course, as usual they wiped my memory of the abduction so I did not learn that I had been abducted that night until this lifetime.

I have had many, many abduction experiences by Grays and Mantids that stretch over the past twelve thousand plus years. So I have to disagree with anyone who says it's only a recent phenomenon. It is apparent that Jacobs only works with present life abductions using hypnosis, so understandably he would not be aware of all the past life abductions that have been going on for so long.

Since hypnosis has only recently been used to recover abductions from unconscious memories and since the ET abductors wipe abductees' memories, it is not a mystery to me why it has not been recorded much in history. Although there are those wall paintings that look like Grays--I think they were found in Australia.

[Hazelfern]

Disclosure: I went to DJ’s house one time in 2011-12 or 13. Sorry, I cannot remember the exact year. He was super cool and chatty.

My sister, who I never should have said anything to about going, ruined the whole experience by planting a horror story.
Oh, don’t go, you are walking into a murder scene.

I swished her idiotic statement away and had the privilege of meeting Dave. I knew ahead of time that unless he had a leather couch
there was no way that he could pry information out of a long distant memory.
I was locked up tight. Nonetheless, I do not agree with his opinion. Sorry Dave. You are wrong. We are already here.

[Ratszinger]

I think it was Dr. Jacobs that I was speaking with once about abductions and the people taken. I've talked to several people including Mack and others about this and there seems to be some thing to the kind of people they accept. I hear tell they take a lot and reject them because they are not, 'metabolically stable'. What does that mean? Well as I understand it it means they don't want people dependent on drugs for their health, or people addicted to drugs, they only want the viable people genes. These are 12% of the pop. These are people with straight teeth naturally, great health, no pill popping to stay healthy, no need for blood pressure pills, no cholesterol drugs, no anti- this and that drugs but people not on pain meds, not addicted to anything but 100% healthy they could go out and vacation and not have to worry about forgetting asthma med, pills and so on because they don't take any!

These are to my knowledge the only people they experiment on. All others may be taken at one time or another but they are rejected for any of their experimenting because of the fact they are not metabolically independently stable on their own. They simply don't want that reproduced into their hybrids. So I have it on good word that if you are a pill popper and believe you are in a program you are likely lying to yourself or mistaken because you are not likely to be involved if you require help to be healthy in any way. Diabetes? Forget it they simply don't bother with curing or messing with that they just reject it and find one that isn't faulty.

[OopsWrongPlanet?]

Oh dear, no notably dependencies here. I think I'll develop a limp.

:happy dog:

x

M

[Ratszinger]

Oh dear, no notably dependencies here. I think I'll develop a limp.

:happy dog:

x

M

My wife and I both worked in the medical field and have many doctor, dentist and surgeon friends. On occasion we discuss old times, school, some of the experiences each is willing to share and so on and over the years UFO's, abductions and the like have come up. Some have suggested the pharma-hellbent attack on the populace to 'drug' everyone even if it means changing long held standards to do it was the governments defense against the 'Grays' going against their agreement. When the government realized what they were doing they began the onslaught of drugging American people to where today like 12% are in the category the Grays look for. This drugging in other words was 'for our own good' to protect us from them.

[petra]

I think it was Dr. Jacobs that I was speaking with once about abductions and the people taken. I've talked to several people including Mack and others about this and there seems to be some thing to the kind of people they accept. I hear tell they take a lot and reject them because they are not, 'metabolically stable'. What does that mean? Well as I understand it it means they don't want people dependent on drugs for their health, or people addicted to drugs, they only want the viable people genes.

First sensible reason I've heard yet. Assuming that's true, it does make sense to me.

In my experience it felt like there were two different things trying to experiment on me. One of the "things" did not like any habits at all, and that sounds really similar to what you refer. I'm habit-based, so I don't think I "qualified". The other "thing" seems to be more curious than anything else - just trying to figure out "how does it work?"

[Justplain]

Observable facts that corroborate at least some of Jacobs' conclusions:

1) the abduction phenomenon is widespread

2) the abductors want the abduction phenomenon kept secret, thus the blocked memories, etc.

3) human/alien hybrids are being born

4) these hybrids appear to be integrating into human society

5) the aliens have tech way beyond what we can imagine

What we know in addition about this alien agenda from other sources:

6) the aliens have been here longer than us (Linda m. Howe)

7) aliens deliberately cause turmoil in the human existence (see Truman Cash's books for details)

8) Aliens are 4 distinct groups:
a. Grays (small and tall)
b. Humanlike (annunaki)
c. Reptoid
d. Mantid

9) all alien groups are involved in the abduction phenomenon

So the question arises, why such a big effort and cover up?

The answers I don't think are pleasant from our perspective.

Another question is, are we special in some way that might help us escape replacement or enslavement?

[Flash]

Oh dear, no notably dependencies here. I think I'll develop a limp.

:happy dog:

x

M

My wife and I both worked in the medical field and have many doctor, dentist and surgeon friends. On occasion we discuss old times, school, some of the experiences each is willing to share and so on and over the years UFO's, abductions and the like have come up. Some have suggested the pharma-hellbent attack on the populace to 'drug' everyone even if it means changing long held standards to do it was the governments defense against the 'Grays' going against their agreement. When the government realized what they were doing they began the onslaught of drugging American people to where today like 12% are in the category the Grays look for. This drugging in other words was 'for our own good' to protect us from them.

Or to distinguish those who have a propensity to succumb to drugs or to medical problems from those who don't, which in this case would be servng the Aliens' agenda.

If any aliens are around, they would most certainly have the technology to split genes and take only the parts required for their experiments, just the precise ADN they need. So taking only the healthy non additing human beings would not be necessary. Taking certain precise genetic molecules would be all that is required.

The whole thing about creating 'containers' that are in tune with certain vibrations (soul or others) makes more sense in my views, if we think of earth as a vibrational battlefield.

therefore the great importance of what we think, emote, and mostly what our creative intentions are. To create the right vibrations for higher levels and intentions encounters (instead of the victim vs takers stance of some aliens for example).Love is one intent with vibrational helpful caracteristics while fear is the no no vibration, creating havoc, violence, etc. Up to now, we collectively chose the latter, including earth herself choice.

And Truman is surely right. We are being worked on from life to life (for appropriate vibrations requirements), and from generations to generation in 3D (for appropriate vibrations of matter). Until we get it fully and change our vibrational levels of thoughts, emoting, creating intentions.

[Agape]

I think it was Dr. Jacobs that I was speaking with once about abductions and the people taken. I've talked to several people including Mack and others about this and there seems to be some thing to the kind of people they accept. I hear tell they take a lot and reject them because they are not, 'metabolically stable'. What does that mean? Well as I understand it it means they don't want people dependent on drugs for their health, or people addicted to drugs, they only want the viable people genes. These are 12% of the pop. These are people with straight teeth naturally, great health, no pill popping to stay healthy, no need for blood pressure pills, no cholesterol drugs, no anti- this and that drugs but people not on pain meds, not addicted to anything but 100% healthy they could go out and vacation and not have to worry about forgetting asthma med, pills and so on because they don't take any!

These are to my knowledge the only people they experiment on. All others may be taken at one time or another but they are rejected for any of their experimenting because of the fact they are not metabolically independently stable on their own. They simply don't want that reproduced into their hybrids. So I have it on good word that if you are a pill popper and believe you are in a program you are likely lying to yourself or mistaken because you are not likely to be involved if you require help to be healthy in any way. Diabetes? Forget it they simply don't bother with curing or messing with that they just reject it and find one that isn't faulty.


It’s a dangerous opinion from medical perspective though. Any qualified and experienced geneticist would tell you that no human being is born perfect but also, no one is “perfectly healthy”.
Health is a “state of balance” rather than “natural state” because human bodies are mortal and in process of constant evolution, growth and change.

Many people who were abducted while kind-of-healthy developed metabolical imbalance soon or later in their lives while some who suffered from imbalance were even partially healed. It’s very interesting and complex phenomenon from medical perspective, experiences vary and are very diverse.

Even if some of what you say above is true with some particular ET group, it certainly does not cover the sample of people contacted ,
they also seem to work in manner of human scientist, that is doing “comparative study” within certain population groups and around the planet.

Since their genomic science is more advanced than we are currently, humanly imagining, they’re reaching for “rarities” and “interesting samples” of people with level of special ability in some area or another.
People with specific rare genomes unfortunately tend to have one or two metabolic disorders or other vulnerabilities with them as well , AND it maybe the case they don’t report themselves for hypnotic regression with famed psychologists as often as “average human specimen” who are more focused on themselves remaining “in the norm”.

People with special abilities( and disabilities) tend to express themselves differentially, some project the experience of ET encounter to their art or work and many are severely inhibited from sharing verbally.

“Normative samples” on the other hand are the most “puzzled”, tend to over analyse their contact experience, demonise the encounter to “fit to the norm” and so they visit likeminded groups and seek psychological help and analysis more frequently.



Oh and there seem to be good few of contacted people who are quite strong and healthy as you say but in order to prevent further contact,
subconsciously develop counter-method, for example drinking or smoking habit.

Others turn vegan or vegetarian.


Well I know of people who have been contacted in the worst possible shape right on hospital beds , or in war zones.
Sometimes it saved their life and sometimes ...it helped them to leave it behind ..since this body is here only for limited time.


Best wishes to healthy professionals and merry Christmas to ALL BEINGS



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[Builder]

as I understand it it means they don't want people dependent on drugs for their health, or people addicted to drugs, they only want the viable people genes.

This hypothesis should be easy to support or disprove with the available data. Is there any publication about that?

[TrumanCash]

One of the abductees that I worked with was abducted on a night when he had been drinking heavily and was drunk. On board the ship a Mantis ET chastised him for drinking alcohol.

It is my opinion that the abductors are more concerned about sperm quality than a genuine interest in our well being. Also, I would assume that it is easier to control an abductee during an abduction who is not drunk which may have also been a concern of the Mantis ET.

I did not include this abduction incident in my books. This fellow also accompanied me on one of my trips to the deep underground military/Grays base area where I caught the Grays attempting an abduction of me or perhaps both of us. (I had previously been abducted twice into this underground base.)

I would also add to this line of discussion that I am certainly not the best candidate for genetic material. My blood type is the most susceptible to diabetes, obesity, heart disease and cancer. For that reason I have to eat according to my blood type (ref: EAT RIGHT FOR YOUR TYPE by Dr Peter D'Adamo) and avoid smoking, drinking, dairy, meat, etc, and eat as much raw fruits and veggies as possible, exercise daily, etc. If I do not follow this regimen I will suffer the consequences due to the weak and vulnerable genetics of my body.

My conclusion at this point is that the abductors are not attempting to create hybrids that are genetically superior, but genetically inferior. The abducting ETs refer to us--that is our bodies--as "containers". The purpose of our bodies is to contain us as spiritual beings. It is to limit our abilities, not enhance them. That is their purpose in genetically engineering our bodies, which are essentially biological prison cells. The evidence of this is in the fact that very few people can leave their bodies at will.

The abducting ETs are also hiding their activities by intentionally installing amnesia not only vis-a-vis abductions but in obstructing the memories of who we are from lifetime to lifetime. In doing so we are kept in spiritual darkness and not allowed to have conscious memories of our past lives in order to learn from them. I cover all of this in more detail in my books and on my Matrix Revealed thread.

On the positive side we now have access to non-hypnotic memory retrieval techniques that unlock the oppressive activities of these Extra-Terrestrial Conspirators (ETCs). With these techniques we can individually learn about our spiritual nature and discover who we truly are. In the process we can also relieve the repercussions from past traumas as well as unethical activities so that we can learn from the past in order to improve ourselves as spiritual beings.

[Agape]

Thanks Truman for the excellent post above and sharing your experience in the area.

The only paragraph that I would disagree with, personarily, is where you suggest that ETs genetic experiments are meant to produce intentional downgrade.
I know the theory of this has been discussed and exposed by many researchers previously( in many books and presentations) suspecting or implicating that ETs are trying to genetically engineer human slave race ( and been doing so for long time)by tweaking their biological information.

Let me insert couple of purely logical observations here to clear the presumption.

Any downgrade( biological or technical) is much faster and easier to do than an upgrade. To “achieve” genomic downgrade of civilisation you don’t have to abduct people one by one, test them, tube test their information, return them with some memories anyway( if those ETs so scientifically superior did not intend to make a communication and did not intend to create future relationship they would simply never leave any memory tracks in their subjects but more importantly, there would be no sentient communication and/or relationships occurring between them and humans,; on the other hand and from many hundreds of contact reports we know they’re actually trying despite obvious discrepancies, differences and difficulties to make communication with us).
For genomic/biological downgrade of civilisation, I repeat, you don’t have to abduct people one by one. You would more likely use some chemical, biological or physical agent ( such as in case of nuclear weapons) globally and your success is guaranteed.
By releasing more CO2, luminum, phosphorus, chlorine etc etc etc to the soil, water and atmosphere you can produce whole new generation of sick and dumbed people.

Nuclear blast anywhere will take care of damaging few generations DNA sufficiently enough, their land will be barren, people will grow smaller and will be quite subdued, forced to return to “slave labour” for generations ahead. See the evolution of Japanese islands post Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima.
One may argue that Japanese people are admirably perfectionist and industrious but realistically speaking, most of their traditional, meditative culture was destroyed by now and replaced by hi tech drones and 16 hour/day working class dying from overwork. They’ve balanced themselves on proverbial “civilisation tip” of discipline, perfection and beauty, with decreasing reproduction rates at very high cost: cost of human culture and lives.

There are many other examples of how easy it is to produce biological downgrade at really low expense. A simple combination of climatic conditions( extreme heat or extreme cold) and specific ( or insufficient) nutrition and drugs or alcohol.
Look how people still live say , in Siberia or say all over the frozen far North or Deep South. There’s lots of “slave labour” going on elsewhere, actually due to primitive conditions and people who live as such can’t increase their IQ levels dramatically.
It concerns millions and millions of people in South America, Africa , Asia and so forth but get out of the “civilisation zone” and they’re there.
You can see their eyes are simple and little dull, even as kids. They cry they want to eat most of time even if they’re not hungry. They struggle to do simple maths. When they grow up they’ll be doing some form of manual labour quite like their parents did. For some , reading their first novel will be a mature experience. I’ll pause this exposure..

So think. To produce any sort of upgrade, biological or technical requires much more painstaking effort. From human perspective -and you are RIGHT THERE- we may always doubt its good to do or even possible.
I’m not sure if “upgrade” is the right term for what ETs aiming at anyway, they’re not trying to create super human if some would imagine that because humanity is nowhere near to its evolutionary peak( despite biologists best believes) but crawling from its diapers.
So creating super human from something that’s crawling from diapers for million years now is a damn nonsense.

It’s a human idea anyway.

If ET is aiming at something from scientific and genomic perspective, they’re trying to create a LINK, a bridge between them and us, in my best opinion.

They can’t obviously live here, long term since they are not adapted to this environment and vice versa. Only humans are better adapted here at this point but they may be quite incapable, biologically to survive anywhere else immediately.
Or they may but it needs to be tried.

But their and yours intelligence -biological intelligence- is not one and the same, not the same grid, not the same material , not the same DNA.
There are advanced similarities but simple
communication process turns very difficult.

Even matching such a different kind of biological structure is nearly impossible and would be frankensteinian but let’s presume they’re far more advanced in that area. As a result you probably get an “enhanced sense of human”:) Probably and most certainly and as you observe, not a “better human”. More like human with some different kind of sensing ability that others don’t see or know it exists even.

More capable humans are certainly a product of capable and powerful natural mixing of capable Xs and Ys here and product of their capable, supportive environments.

The thing with most “special humans” and their abilities is that they’re quite advanced and human.

ET civilisation so technically advanced does not need a slave labour. Mining stuff from Life Bearing planet like Earth while the Universe is full of desolate planets rich in whatever element you choose would be ridiculous.

If I look at the whole thing soberly from my own perspective and in long run ..
skipping my own “human bias” ,
the whole thing( link) between us and ETs is merely completely impractical ...

and you’d probably add, economically demanding, rather than negative or even dangerous.

The problem here is that for anything to count as purely “positive” in human positivity spectrum these days, it would have to qualify also as “economically rewardable” instead “regrettable” but
there I’m day ahead at New Years jokes .,


:bigsmile:

[Ratszinger]

It seems to me unreasonable to suggest the greys or any species creating hybrids would want to create defective ones. It was difficult enough to reproduce Dolly the sheep with like 140 attempts and failures before success as I recall. (Hold thought let me look that up real quick) My bad. 240 attempts before success. I don't believe the greys really want to reproduce mongoloid children, Spina Bifida or any of the other 4000 defects known plus or minus within the human genome. It would be far easier to reproduce hybrids based on specific need for an intelligent species.
One for strength but not so smart. One for fighting but only a little smarter. And various models to feed on geared toward making stress energy like they do with the ones here on earth.
If the garden earth is the oasis and feeding area they would only need to feed on the defective ones here. That does not mean in my mind that all their creations are therefore defective for the same reasons. Like some ants enslave other ant colonies they have workers and they have fighters and they have breeders and so on. The entire thing could be structured such that a perfect base is created to work off of and then tweaked one of various ways as described in Genesis to suit the need of the originator builder race.

[onawah]

From what I have experienced personally and been able to gather from reading, it is a big mistake to group ALL ETs and their agendas into one category.
Clearly, there are many different kinds of ETS at varying levels of evolution, with varying agendas ranging from very negative to very positive.
To treat the subject homogeneously can only end with confusion and misunderstanding.

[Agape]

From what I have experienced personally and been able to gather from reading, it is a big mistake to group ALL ETs and their agendas into one category.
Clearly, there are many different kinds of ETS at varying levels of evolution, with varying agendas ranging from very negative to very positive.
To treat the subject homogeneously can only end with confusion and misunderstanding.

It’s true. There are many very diverse reports and they can’t all fit into one category, even if 60% of them are not interpreted correctly, misunderstood and some kind of illusory agendas,
there’s good number of those that have outlines and common definitions.

The “grey zone” of so called “the greys” itself is fairly large group of civilisations coming from different star systems , raging from spiritually and scientifically advanced and super ethical ones who hesitate to intervene to childlike Entities of peculiar character, who are funny but difficult to talk to , to a redundant and mean group of “small greys” focused on creating drones, “PLFs=programmed life forms” and serve their only slightly bigger and sentient masters.

The last group seems to be the most dangerous and so also, receives the most attention in abductee groups and cases.

But as you’ve said ..the reality and diversity of civilisations in Space can’t fit into one category


:Party:



And if all of my comments here sounded off topic and inconclusive ...it’s because I forgot to say that “THIS PLANET WILL NEVER BE THEIRS” :bigsmile:

It’s hard enough for humans who have tried to adjust to it for many millions of years and are nowhere near the end with that effort and learning curve.
It’s also hard for humans so far to understand the concept of guardianship instead of ownership, even little better but ultimately they will because they’re the best adapted here, so far.
Nobody else can practically own your free will and best knowledge that you have acquired on your own, by living here.

Other planets are different. Home is not a place you aren’t familiar with. Only a swarm of locusts takes over a flower field and devastates it without mercy.

Where biological/genomic information differs nurition requirements do as well.

Imagining that ET wants to eat all of your vegetables ( or chickens) sounds little disproportionate because ultimately, everyone gets used to the type of food they have at their Home. If you visit their Planets, you may still want to bring some of your own food stuff with you. Or have something local but beware you may not like it or it may not fit you that well.

And then in terms of long Space travel, most travellers do not need to eat that much in terms of quantity, logically so.

The reason for conflicts between different entities and space factions on this Planet arises mostly and foremost because whoever has been trapped here and can not go home immediately.
There seemed to be good few crashes that occurred here in the past and couple of different entities trapped for various reasons. Each of them is bound to learn about human condition and how does it feel being trapped here. All the frustration, struggle for identity, recognition, effort to find a job/mission and sustenance, not to speak about temporary home and ..love.

For those on Spaceships who can actually make it back it’s far easier in my opinion and rethink. I think, most of them will :)



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[Justplain]

The ET agenda may seem perplexing, because it probably is. When this bluish grey-type et was bending over my knee, sucking juices out of my lower leg, very painfully for me I might say, it didn't give a rat's arse about my feelings, or my thoughts, just zonked me unconscious. These creeps left a trail of triangular scars on my legs, and a mesh of needle holes on my genitals.

There is no high minded intention on the part of these aliens. We are cattle to them. Their hybrids suit the ET agenda, not some altruistic cause. More than likely we are being conditioned, with the rapid onset of ever more sophisticated technology, and entrained to be something of use to them in some way. Becoming more integrated into a galactic commercial collective seems logical. Of course our free will would become compromised.

The entities that marshal vian summers communicated with a while back claimed that Earth was being visited by 3 major galactic collectives, each of which would love to absorb us into their group. Thus the competing groups of ETs.

The ET secrecy, of all their groups, gives no indication of altruism for any of them from what evidence is shown. The ones that do show readily like to heap all of our problems on us, that we are so terrible, with no mention of the debilitating interference of the off worlders.

So, I understand Jacobs' pessimism on this topic. Vian Summers became very spiritual when faced with this reality. Most people do, I believe, once faced with this apparent reality. It's a bit of a drag, but I would rather know the truth than be entrapped in a fanciful fairytale.

[TrumanCash]

Just to be clear, I am only referring to the "abducting ETs" that I refer to as the ETCs (Extra-Terrestrial Conspirators) in post #50 above. These are the ETs with which I have had the most contact in the past twelve thousand plus years. They work together in a coordinated effort to subjugate human beings and keep this planet in chaos (e.g., endless wars) and to keep humans programmed with oppressive disinformation and false belief systems in order to hide the truth. My guiding principle in evaluating ETs intentions is that actions speak louder than words.

From my own experiences and those of the abductees that I worked with the main body types of the ETCs are Mantis, Anunnaki, Grays and Reptilians. Of course there are other body types such as Sasquatch that are sometimes seen by abductees. In my books that I researched and wrote in the 90s I referred to the Anunnaki as the Serpent Staff Pleiadians as that is the symbols that they use and have used since time immemorial. At the time I was not familiar with the term "Anunnaki" but have since realized they are one and the same since they use the same symbols and (falsely) portray themselves as "gods".

Of course it is not a perfect system to use these body-type labels simply because they are all individuals. I have recovered past life memories of being a Gray and being a Mantis ET. My viewpoint is that we are all spiritual beings. My conscious communications with Grays, for example, shows me that they are individuals. However, their culture and programming does not appear to allow much latitude for independent thinking.

Fortunately, there are ETs that are benevolent or at least neutral. As above so below. Just as most humans are not sociopaths, I think most ETs are also not sociopathic even though they may be under the influence of sociopathic ETs in their societal structure. The same could be said for Earth humans. And of course let us not forget that both humans and ETs can be programmed to be sociopathic.

I can say this because I was involved with an ET group circa fifteen thousand years ago when we were trying to stop the abduction of Earth humans by the ETCs. So it appears to me that there is indeed a war that has been going on between the abducting ETs and other ET groups. I am not aware of the current status of this war. I would assume that it would be dangerous for a benevolent ET group to visit this planet due to the apparent dominance of the ETCs.

I think it is also important to continue to remind people that certain ET groups use false memories (aka "screen memories") to make it appear that the abductions/contacts were benevolent. This was discovered by Karla Turner and Barbara Bartholic and they did find a way to circumvent these screen memories. I think that many people in the UFO field are therefore labeling contacts/abductions as benevolent when they are not since they are simply accepting the false memories as fact. With the techniques that I use I can easily see through these illusions so my research is more accurate in determining what actually happened during an abduction.

Although I am not actively working with abductees currently (nor do I want to since I have retired from those activities), I would be happy to train any sincere person with the techniques I use so that they may continue the research. These non-hypnotic memory retrieval techniques also release emotional and physical trauma so it is an additional benefit to the abductee. Anyone so interested may contact me with a private message on this forum.

At my age I am in no condition to expose myself to abductions by working directly with abductees. Abductions have been particularly hard on my body this lifetime and I am greatly enjoying not being an abductee in my old age. So that is why I am not interested in working with abductees directly. Also, in coming to an understanding with the Grays to end my abductions I have agreed, essentially, "If you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone."

They know me as an abductee that is capable of overcoming their hypnotic control and physically fighting back. I've awakened on too many mornings feeling like a truck ran over me and having scratches and marks that my family and I saw as evidence of the struggles--fights that I inevitably lose. One such fight that I documented in THE EYE OF RA was when they told me to stop doing my research and writing my books. They do not want to be exposed. So I'm leaving them alone.

However, I would like to see someone continue the research especially in light of the more recent research and books of David Jacobs. In fact I am getting the more recent book WALKING AMONG US: The Alien Plan To Control Humanity since I have already read SECRET LIFE and THE THREAT. Of course, I have discovered in my research and personal experiences that they have been controlling humanity for a very long time.

In my own experiences during the 90s I only saw hybrids that looked pretty much half human and half Gray. I did not see anything advanced as the hybrids that Jacobs talks about that are indistinguishable from Earth humans (except perhaps for their behavior). I therefore need to update my information on this subject and also train someone to continue the research that may confirm Jacobs' research and add to it.

I had also discovered a phenomenon in the 90s that apparently no other abduction researcher had encountered--that abducting ETs often follow abductees from lifetime to lifetime and sometimes used them in religions, secret societies and high government positions. I think that this phenomenon is very important for other researchers to pursue. Unfortunately, the hypnosis techniques used by most abduction researchers do not reveal this phenomenon. With the techniques that I used this phenomenon appears naturally without using leading questions. For example, it is a leading question or instruction to say to an abductee: "Go back to a past life abduction". For the research to be credible one has to avoid leading questions and directions unless the person receiving the session voluntarily states that they want to check out a specific incident that they have partial memory of.

I do not want to train an abductee to be an abduction researcher mainly for the reasons above. Therefore, for those who are not abductees but want to conduct serious abduction research, just send me a private message on this forum.

Truman

[Mike]

I'm a Fortean at heart, and whenever the topic of alien abduction is raised, I immediately think of the fishing analogy...

If fish could think and reason logically, they might gather and discuss their own "abduction" issues. They'd see the bottom of a boat, and likely think that's all there was to see of this vehicle that had arrived to take them. Only a a select few would see the rest, and an even smaller group would see the rest and survive to tell about it.

Some fish would wonder why, why they taken from their home - the water - and lifted into another dimension - the air - just to be thrown right back in the water...all after being passed around by the humans and observed and discussed. What's the point of that?, they'd wonder. Were the thrown back fish tampered with in some way? Hybrids?

And what happened to those who didn't return?? Surely there'd be rumors, but no one would know for sure. Science projects? Food?

These would surely be heavy conversations, and of the highest importance..with all sorts of implications of God, the universe, and so on.

No one would guess that the abductions were just for human sport...that a couple a guys named Larry and Ben were wasting away a sunday afternoon on the river, getting drunk while catching a few fish for fun. It couldn't be true, they might think, because the abduction events would seem just way too important to them.

In one of the Predator movies, the predators abduct a bunch of earth villains and place them in a forest to be hunted. Mercenaries, murderers, gang members etc. The predators wanted humans who were just as devious as them and would fight back. In other words, they wanted a challenge.

I often wonder if a certain group of aliens are sitting back to wait for us to become worthy opponents. Maybe it's part of their code of ethics. Maybe it's all just sport.

Why would they do that?, one might ask. Well why not? I imagine space-faring might be passe to them after a few million years. With their technology, perhaps they live thousands of years or longer. When faced with what seems like eternity, a kind of madness might set in..all inspired by an intense boredom. Perhaps they're just looking for entertainment! Maybe that's all it is. And destroying planets or hunting clueless, easy targets wouldn't provide that. It would have to be a challenge.

[SudiMaharaj]

Hybrids are probably a better option for the Continuity of Life on Earth... Simply put, aliens would, by necessity, be able to conduct the affairs of Earth better. Hybrids are partially Human... and would likely interbreed further with Humanity, and our Genetics would evolve. Our Spirits are singing, because we will be able to overcome our own bodilly limitations, as we enhance our Vehicles.

[SudiMaharaj]

People dissing the Messenger... The Message, however, is consistent with others... Worldwide, Long term, and with great Reliabilty.
As a Spirit, occupying a Human body, let me offer my opions on this "alienization" theory.
1. In my next EXPERIENCE OF PHYSICALITY, I would LOVE to have a better Mind, and a better body... if that were possible.
2. I would hope, that Earth will survive and Life be continued, so that Spirits may take enjoyment and achieve higher levels of Understanding via experiences here. Aliens will know how to fix the Environment, and Social Ills better than us...they have the bigger GUNS. If Aliens have a vested input into our LIFE here on Earth, we will be better off.
3. If these Hybrids are able to carry on their works and go forward without having the need to use ME, I would appreciate the time to do some exploring of my own, away from Earth, if possible... although it IS nice here.
4. As for whether or not Humans are able to resist... I believe it is Futile.
LOVE

[SudiMaharaj]

Or perhaps this is a micro project of the Ashtar Command, similar to a Government trying to aid inner city slums, and help the people there...?

[Ratszinger]

Or perhaps this is a micro project of the Ashtar Command, similar to a Government trying to aid inner city slums, and help the people there...?

What if it's not real except for what we learn and experience? Suppose we're on board a ship in space and it's high stress admiralty law where one misstep you get tossed into the vacuum lock to be shot out into space and this is an escape from the stress? (like walking the plank only deep space)

Imagine you are now off duty, you are really stressed from a day the Capt. was really on your hide and now you want to unwind. So you pick an experience. Could be any ole experience at random or you put some thought in it. Lets say though for argument's sake that you wanted to learn how to play a musical instrument. Now keep in mind you don't know the first dang thing about music or instruments you just thought it'd be a nice break so next thing you know off you go and you wake up as this baby screamin' cause some dude just smacked your back side and shocked you awake from a deep sleep!

Now you grow and as a youth you show some skills at the guitar! Your mom notices and likes that so she feeds it as per the experience program script you input for your experience and now you're making great advances in school learning music! Next thing you know you're a young man a Juliard School of Music, then MIT and off you go to play professional and become this master musician not just capable now of the guitar but the piano, the violin and some other digital equipment you pioneered! Then you are celebrated, your music is adored, you grow old and you die and you wake back up in your chair on the ship where it all began just in time to go get a drink, nibble some bites, check in with the family and go to bed getting up just before your next shift begins in the early hours of the morning! Total time gone and now being a master musician was 20 minutes!

That is what I think it is. Anyway it helps me cope.

[Justplain]

There of course are numerous 'takes' on the et presence here. To some extent there may be truth in all of them.

I think the 'Ra' channelings stated that hybrids were being developed to be able to survive in the Earth environment in case we torched it in a nuclear war. This sounds like a bit of stretched truth because if we did torch Earth, it would likely be at the behest of the negative ETs.

An Avalon member claimed, in a thread, that ETs come to Earth on a 'vacation' and 'take rides' in human 'vehicles' to 'see what its like' or to 'have fun'. They can 'encourage' the human vehicle to do things that the ET wants. This behaviour, if true, seems sociopathic and doesn't show any compassion, so a rather low, spirituality.

The ETs doing much of the abducting appear to be 'harvesting' produce from Earthbound livestock, including us. Linda Howe's research indicated that this is indeed what was behind farmyard livestock mutilation.

Jordan Maxwell likes to point out that strange syncronicities in reality, such as two people of similar background dying years apart in the same way and in the same place, indicates that a very strange manipulation occurs in the world, 'the matrix'.

ETs hunting humans for sport doesn't sound beyond the realm of possibility. It would be a sad commentary on the state of that ET groups' spirituality, though.

Linda M. Howe's research interestingly indicated that, for all their hi tech presence, that some, if not all, of the ET groups were fascinated with us because when humans die, that the ET's couldn't follow our spirits to our afterlife realm. Now, I know that some here in this forum, such as TrumanCash, have had their souls 'recycled' by the ETC's to be immediately reborn into another physical body. However, I believe Bill Ryan, who has a vast recall of past and between life memories, does not recount this happening to him. So, how is it that the evil ET's can do recycling to some souls but not for all? This is a fascinating question.

There are likely many more ET scenarios in how they use Earth. Perhaps Earth is a vacation spot, a research centre, a farm, a trade route pit stop, etc. Likely all of the above. The question arises whether we can have a choice in the outcome of the human experiment? I believe we have to act as if we have a choice, even if whatever the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

I, for one, would choose to be a new age almish. To use modern tech where it benefits us, in modest ways, but not to agree to be 'assimilated' into the coming technical 'unity' . Therefore, no human/machine implants for me. I would accept life elongation tech, free energy and 3D printers, but won't agree to become a programmable cyborg. I would never trust an AI driven 'unity' to have my best interests at heart. Just like I would never trust an ET to have my best interests at heart, either.

Now, only time will tell. Just let the buyer beware.

[Builder]

Now you grow and as a youth you show some skills at the guitar! Your mom notices and likes that so she feeds it as per the experience program script you input for your experience and now you're making great advances in school learning music! Next thing you know you're a young man a Juliard School of Music, then MIT and off you go to play professional and become this master musician not just capable now of the guitar but the piano, the violin and some other digital equipment you pioneered! Then you are celebrated, your music is adored, you grow old and you die and you wake back up in your chair on the ship where it all began just in time to go get a drink, nibble some bites, check in with the family and go to bed getting up just before your next shift begins in the early hours of the morning! Total time gone and now being a master musician was 20 minutes!

The game is called "Roy" ;-)

szzVlQ653as

[TrumanCash]

M[/QUOTE]

And Truman is surely right. We are being worked on from life to life (for appropriate vibrations requirements), and from generations to generation in 3D (for appropriate vibrations of matter). Until we get it fully and change our vibrational levels of thoughts, emoting, creating intentions.[/QUOTE]

Just for clarification regarding my research results: My in-depth research indicates that the abducting ETs that I refer to as "Extra-Terrestrial Conspirators" (ETCs) are programming us with disinformation in order to keep us in spiritual darkness and from discovering the truth of what they are doing. They are also the source of endless wars on this planet, for example. They have been using trauma-based mind control on us for thousands of years as I discovered through my research.

My between lives experiences with Mantis ETs using the going-to-the-light technology is an exception to the rule. Most people are not forced into this artificial reincarnation system. Most people are free not to reincarnate right away but I think most are inclined to do so out of habit or for other reasons so they go to hospitals or follow a pregnant woman around, etc. The "haunted house" ghost phenomenon is an example of someone who did not reincarnate right away. However, there have been numerous people who have reported "going to the light" in NDEs. That of course does not mean everyone experiences that phenomenon upon body death.

Abductees, however, are indeed followed from lifetime to lifetime and are monitored and used to suit their purposes which is not for our benefit. That does not mean all abductees are followed and monitored all the time or in every lifetime. More research needs to be done on this. That is why I have been offering to train abduction researchers to continue the research that I started.

Also, since the ETCs often place abductees in positions of political power, secret societies and religions, the continuation of this kind of research can reveal the true history of Earth, who the controllers are, how they are perpetrating their insidious machinations, etc, and hopefully reveal their current plans with genetic hybridization. Perhaps this may also reveal a solution to the situation.

And May the Truth Set Us Free,
TLC

[Inversion]

The Threat: Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda

This is a book by David M. Jacobs and I would give it an 8.5 out of 10. The author originally started documenting UFO sightings then transitioned into the abduction facets. He has used hypnosis on abductees to paint a picture of an alien agenda. A bulk of the book covers the grays and their hybrid program.

One abductee claimed she played Monopoly with them, but the street names were different and the author considered that confabulation. They’ll get into the faces of their victims and use a mental energy and/or frequencies transmitted through their eyes to gain access and control over abductee’s minds. The victims feel the physical and sexual aspect such as egg and semen extraction is less intrusive than the mind-scan. They can plant false memories with this method. Some victims become pregnant even though they had their female reproductive organs removed years prior. If they call to make an appointment for an abortion it’ll be removed before they get there. They absorb sustenance through their skin and presumably excrete the same way. The incubators containing hybrids are filled with a nutritional fluid. They need the humans to help the hybrids develop emotions by holding them otherwise they’re emotionally dead. Primarily female abductees are asked to help with this task. One described holding a hybrid and painting a liquid with a brush out of a bowl onto it for nourishment. The grays seem to be overseen by the mantis beings and the reptilians as if conquered long ago. They’re very secretive about their agenda and only reveal bits and pieces. One abductee described a gray taking her into a museum of failed hybrids and some were life-sized holograms. A major problem they have in hybridization is they can’t reproduce. They’ll take human children to teach the hybrids how to play. They have advanced toys that induce the user into feeling emotions. Hybrid children have telekinetic abilities. In one short segment of the book it alluded to the Nordic race being one of the gray’s hybrid experiments, but I don’t know if that’s valid. He wrote about an abductee seeing military personnel in uniform. The relationships the hybrids have with human women can range from loving to sadistic. The later stage hybrids are allowed to express their hostility towards their projects. An abductee had a sexual encounter with a hybrid on an unused military base and at an abandoned NASA facility. They often show abductees destructive things happening to the planet. They implant time-locked information in their minds. One abductee was told they’ll come a time she won’t have normal memories. Another one was told the insectoids would control everything. Another one was shown a screen and asked to pick out the hybrids and she couldn’t meaning their program was successful. Only a difference in their energies can distinguish them apart.

His Wikipedia page contains a list of his other books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Jacobs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Jacobs)

Richard Dolan interviewed him and the video is contained on page #9, post #178.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97768-Richard-Dolan-s-Radio-Shows-and-Interviews/page9&highlight=richard+dolan

http://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9780684848136_p0_v1_s1200x630.jpg






Mod note from Bill:

In the Avalon Library, here:


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/David%20Jacobs%20-%20The%20Threat.pdf

Also, Jacobs' latest book, Walking Among Us - The Secret Plan to Control Humanity:


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/David%20Jacobs%20-%20Walking%20Among%20Us%20-%20The%20Alien%20Plan%20to%20Control%20Humanity.pdf

[ripple]

Despite Jacob's claims to the contrary , there are great concerns that his research methodology was poor to awful .Let's look at the Emma Woods case .Top line comments below
The ethical implications are huge.
Mister Jacobs may be the flavour of the month but his body of work fails when judged by the standards required by scientific method .

Comment Summary:--
Emma Woods provided ufology with extensive documentation through audio recordings that David Jacobs conducted regressive hypnosis via international telephone calls (Ya caught that, right? ...conducted regressive hypnosis via international telephone calls?) in which the associate professor of history suggested she had Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). Both Jacobs and Woods were aware they were being recorded during the sessions. In one such session, Jacobs admittedly led and shaped Woods' statements about an alleged abduction in which she was sexually assaulted and used as what he termed the facilitator of sperm collection. In another hypnosis session he suggested she start wearing a chastity belt, the type of which he could select for her because they have them at a sex shop he frequented, he explained, and it would put a "kink" in the plans of hybrids allegedly committing ongoing sexual assaults (Yes, he literally said that). He additionally suggested to Woods during hypnosis sessions, according to the recordings, that she mail him her underpants - and to not think about it afterward. It is difficult to fit such behavior into the context of strict scientific and ethical research methodology, imho ?

The above comments were taken from Jack Brewer of the UFO Trail .

[yelik]

Any Alien takeover would take place at the very top of the power tree, perhaps earth is already being manipulated and controlled at that level.

Perhap the secret space program is all about defending earth from any unwanted alien influence, if so, how would you go about explaining this dilemma to the mass population who believe we are the only intelligent life in the universe or that our technology is not yet capable of defending earth properly.

[Ratszinger]

I would imagine that the flora and fauna of the earth itself and the various invasive bacteria, fungus, and microbial life would be their major threat even off of the captured like us or other animals. It stands to reason that the grey alien things are not biological as that would be far safer for the controllers of those dronebots or whatever they are referred as. I find the entire idea of a take over plausible especially from the top and an intelligent species would probably be evolved enough to know that the smartest way to do that take over would be to leave things intact and the captured functioning unaware as to the take over.

Perhaps TV and movies do portray that to us in imagery like Star Gate SG1 with the invasive parasitical Go-Au-uld and the earlier V the final battle and things like this. Speaking of that series I watched that not long back again as we have the DVD and it was kinda spooky the way the leader of the reptiles reminded me so much of Trump. Really it was!

[TrumanCash]

Are there any other abduction researchers besides David Jacobs that have positively confirmed Jacobs' findings and conclusions?

[Agape]

Are there any other abduction researchers besides David Jacobs that have positively confirmed Jacobs' findings and conclusions?

I would recommend the following study from Edgar Mitchell’s FREE ( Foundation for Research to Extraterrestrial and Extraordinary Encounters) for its large volume of comparative data:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEGiTwcaP3E

The book Beyond UFOs, Consciousness and Contact with Non-Human Intelligence, published in August 2018 is based on thorough questionaries to several hundreds anonymous but dedicated ET contact experiencers ( most of them have repeated contact experiences lasting since their childhood) who volunteered to participate in the study.
From statistical data resulting thereof it can be surmised that spectrum of experiences is extremely varied ( and colourful), in all its aspects and details
and it’s also easy to notice quantity and quality of detailed information is actually present with larger number of ET contact witnesses when they’re questioned correctly( without inducing positivity or negativity bias), repeatedly even about minor information or detail from different angles and perspectives and anonymously ( after passing some dedicated ID criteria, in all seriousness) so also stress on personal motivations is reduced.

Very large number of detailed information was processed by number of PhD scientists and computers, of course , statistical graphs coming out of the survey are rather astonishing and show distinct patterns.

The book is not free of cost -unfortunately- but there’s 60% discount on purchase till the middle of January on Kindle version on Amazon and I’ve seen some paperbacks being resold for much as $5.
If you sign up with their webpage ( for free:)) a free preview of the book is also available through email : almost 180 pages out of 800 pages so even though this is very specific thematic study and not everyone’s chosen genre the quality of the study can be thus previewed.

It’s one of the first studies in open fields in that manner and only a part of results could be so far processed and published and the study will continue onto future.

So that works of Dr Jacobs and other researchers in this area can be hopefully supported and supplemented by collective scientific corroboration worldwide
in order to reveal finer, more detailed patterns of communication and reasoning between the world of humans and other worlds and their respective intelligences.

It should be also noted that most information in the above study was collected from simple but conscious memories of participants and only percentage of them also submitted themselves( during their life) to hypnotic regression even then data coming from hypnotic regression and those retained by daylight conscious memory are questioned and treated separately, for sake of better discernment.


Free reading sample:

http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/d6d656_a70cf403c4bb4fc2a253fa719d96bb89.pdf


https://www.consciousnessandcontact.org

[Valerie Villars]

The following psychological attributes increased significantly in both the
CE with UAP and NDE groups: concern with spiritual matters, desire to help
others, compassion for others, ability to love others, concern for the welfare of
the planet, conviction that there is life after death, tolerance of others, and
insight into the problems of others, among other characteristics. The following
profiles decreased significantly: concern with material things in life, interest in
organized religion, fear of death, and desire to become well known, among other
attributes.

I am skimming the attached book excerpt and found the above paragraph true to my own experience.

And agree with this, which is why it's so hard to relate one's experience.


Finally, as will be presented later in this paper, the UAP experience is
primarily a “paranormal” anomalous phenomenon even though, as Dr. J. Allen
Hyneck and Dr. Jacques Valle acknowledge, the UAP phenomenon is both a
physical and “psychic” phenomenon.

[TrumanCash]

Enlightening Statistics From The FREE Experiencer Study


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIFAPHUXCD4

[Agape]

The following psychological attributes increased significantly in both the
CE with UAP and NDE groups: concern with spiritual matters, desire to help
others, compassion for others, ability to love others, concern for the welfare of
the planet, conviction that there is life after death, tolerance of others, and
insight into the problems of others, among other characteristics. The following
profiles decreased significantly: concern with material things in life, interest in
organized religion, fear of death, and desire to become well known, among other
attributes.

I am skimming the attached book excerpt and found the above paragraph true to my own experience.

And agree with this, which is why it's so hard to relate one's experience.


Finally, as will be presented later in this paper, the UAP experience is
primarily a “paranormal” anomalous phenomenon even though, as Dr. J. Allen
Hyneck and Dr. Jacques Valle acknowledge, the UAP phenomenon is both a
physical and “psychic” phenomenon.


Similar here:) I am often floating somewhere in between this world and another, since I was a kid and had some very clear and conscious ET contact experiences, as of the clear/physical ones they only seem to occur after number of years.
But all were positive and fairly harmless .

What is harmful to me, most of my life is my low adaptability ratio to human world and some of its extremely “hardcore” experiences and emotions that include or perhaps spring of human narrowmindness, prejudice and intolerance to “otherness”
so I also fail to engage in many human activities or talk of my ET encounters.
Very few people( and types of societies) are able to tolerate such information,
most are kind of “deaf” to its frequency even.

It’s my personal observation that whatever is communicated by non-human, in this case ET Entities to us can be shared/communicated only on similarly high frequency for it to make a full sense.
Whenever I tried to discuss any of such information on “dense” human level with people materialistically based ( metaphorically speaking) who operate in lower energy fields most of the information “sank”.

But as I’ve said my ET experiences were mostly of conscious, benevolent and discernible kind, replicating them with this human vessel turned almost impossible but not giving up :waving:

[Valerie Villars]

Agape, I can relate exactly to what you are saying when you talk about the low adaptability to to hardcore experience on this planet.

I used to be a master at adapting until I had the face to face contact. The vibrations were so high, that I felt like I got literally dumped back into this frequency and it has been difficult.

The only time I felt I could try to relate my experiences is to the people on this forum. We're the only weirdos who get it. :)

[Agape]

Not weirdos if we can float together but being the only ones in strange environments definitely leaves one in corner.

The frequency felt and experienced between various ET crafts, Entities and humans, its resonance is definitely real and factual, it’s not just “a feel” but a frequency.
From scientific perspective it is something that could be measured but human frequency technologies do not seem to be at the sharp cutting edge with isolating the band of frequencies that could facilitate straight communication objective quite yet.
Attempts and tests to find the correct F have been done for decades now without success: as a matter of fact: defining such frequency in physical terms that would actually and objectively work ..would possibly prove us not only right but turn us to millionaires over weekend.

Eventually someone real smart will do it. And then ..ET will be talking to the planet globally ..in their own ways I suppose ..symbols, patterns, pictures, tones ..and people will have the opportunity to appreciate the occasion ..if amplified and translated to our humanly perceivable spectrum of information


It would be more beautiful and more transparent


:sherlock:



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39760&d=1548440592

[silvanelf]

Here is a strange quote from David Jacobs' website: ICAR (International Center For Abduction Research). As it seems, the "hybrid project" is resulting in unintended side-effects -- emphasis mine:


However, regardless of the more complex form of communication that hybrid telepathic contact might generate, the hybrids live in the alien-dominated society and their lives are ruled by that dominant culture. When abductees describe disagreements and clashes between aliens and hybrids, the differences between a subordinate society with a more complete human-like sensory abilities – hearing, tasting, smelling, and so on -- and thus a fuller emotional range, and the more restricted non-hearing alien society are brought into sharp relief.

For example, on one occasion, a hybrid was engaged in an argument with an alien over using an abductee as a special project. The hybrid was anxious, angry, animated, and stubborn. The alien was cool, logical, unruffled, and in control.

If late-stage hybrid emotions run the gamut from love to hate they can present special difficulties for the aliens. In one abduction event, an alien told the abductee they were having difficulty controlling the hybrids because their emotional needs constituted a serious problem that the aliens had not fully understood before they embarked upon their reproductive program. If this is true, the role of hybrid emotions looms as a significant problem for the aliens. What the final results will be of the mixing of these two types of beings is unclear.

https://www.ufoabduction.com/telepathy13.htm

[Luciano_Argentina]

Hola amigos. Google translate let me to bring my thoughts here. This is a global phenomenon. But languages sometimes makes a barrier between us. I think that in this interview they are not at the estate of art on this issue. The planet already is theirs. And is theirs from a long long time. I encourage you all to make contatc with the work of Corrado Malanga from Italy. He esposed all the subjcts mentioned in the interwiev and he could finally uncover the true agenda.
I really would apreciate your opinon.
Greetings

[AutumnW]

Despite Jacob's claims to the contrary , there are great concerns that his research methodology was poor to awful .Let's look at the Emma Woods case .Top line comments below
The ethical implications are huge.
Mister Jacobs may be the flavour of the month but his body of work fails when judged by the standards required by scientific method .

Comment Summary:--
Emma Woods provided ufology with extensive documentation through audio recordings that David Jacobs conducted regressive hypnosis via international telephone calls (Ya caught that, right? ...conducted regressive hypnosis via international telephone calls?) in which the associate professor of history suggested she had Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). Both Jacobs and Woods were aware they were being recorded during the sessions. In one such session, Jacobs admittedly led and shaped Woods' statements about an alleged abduction in which she was sexually assaulted and used as what he termed the facilitator of sperm collection. In another hypnosis session he suggested she start wearing a chastity belt, the type of which he could select for her because they have them at a sex shop he frequented, he explained, and it would put a "kink" in the plans of hybrids allegedly committing ongoing sexual assaults (Yes, he literally said that). He additionally suggested to Woods during hypnosis sessions, according to the recordings, that she mail him her underpants - and to not think about it afterward. It is difficult to fit such behavior into the context of strict scientific and ethical research methodology, imho ?

The above comments were taken from Jack Brewer of the UFO Trail .

I found this laugh out loud funny. Why do some abduction researchers seem to be drawn to making complete asses of themselves?

A sex shop he frequented???LOL Chastity belts, kink and mailing underpants? Hilarious in a leather bar/alien hybrid/crazy old guy, kind of way. Hard to classify according to genre. But the weird thing is, he is the second abduction researcher I've come across that has taken advantage of women this way.

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Hola amigos. Google translate let me to bring my thoughts here. This is a global phenomenon. But languages sometimes makes a barrier between us. I think that in this interview they are not at the estate of art on this issue. The planet already is theirs. And is theirs from a long long time. I encourage you all to make contatc with the work of Corrado Malanga from Italy. He esposed all the subjcts mentioned in the interwiev and he could finally uncover the true agenda.
I really would apreciate your opinon.
Greetings

Welcome Luciano! Thank you for the suggestion. Como estaz? Did I spell that correctly?

[silvanelf]

I think that in this interview they are not at the estate of art on this issue. The planet already is theirs. And is theirs from a long long time.


That's your opinion or a claim made by the Dracos, but in any case it is just a claim, not a fact.


I encourage you all to make contatc with the work of Corrado Malanga from Italy. He esposed all the subjcts mentioned in the interwiev and he could finally uncover the true agenda.
I really would apreciate your opinon.


The true agenda? Why do you think that Corrado Malanga is the ultimate authority in this regard?

I've found an article from Corrado Malanga in english, quote:


Corrado Malanga and the Milab Experience

Yet most of the hypno-regression therapists never mention these types of abductions, especially the Quantum Healing style of hypo-regression therapy made popular by Dolores Cannon who declares there are no bad aliens. It’s the experiencers misinterpreting or not understanding being mind controlled, sexually abused and cloned by our space brothers.


http://willgolightly.com/corrado-malanga-and-the-milab-experience/

David Jacobs views these claims "there are no bad aliens" as confabulations (wishful thinking).

[Inversion]

Walking Among Us
The Alien Plan to Control Humanity
By David M. Jacobs


The aliens will take a human fetus at 9-11 weeks. The common theme is the abductee’s parents were also taken. David theorizes the Grays don’t breathe and eat through dermal absorption. Throughout the book he mentioned ‘The Change’ which according to the operators of the hybrid program will happen in the future. It wasn’t clearly explained because there isn’t presently an answer. It could be a point in which humans and aliens live together. In one account an abductee was taught how to telepathically herd people to waiting ships. In an example of an abductee teaching Hubrids they were discussing the rules for eating an orange. They’ll telepathically send a myriad of questions like: How do you eat it? Do you eat it in private? Do you peel it first? & Do you eat all of it? During this exchange there’s no physical orange present. They had an abductee try to teach the Hubrids how to dance and they didn’t understand they needed music. Their solution was to get musical instruments, but they didn’t know how to play them. Nonconformity is nearly impossible in their society. The Hubrids can be very pale as if not being exposed to sunlight. They don’t want to draw attention to themselves while in our society and their goal is undetected assimilation. Hubrids & hybrids have different sleep patterns than humans. They want to know every solution to every potential problem. A Personal Project Hybrid is a PPH. The advanced stage hybrids (the older ones) will shop late at night to minimize human contact. A female abductee went out to pick up a pizza and was an hour late returning home and her family didn’t question it upon her return. Dealing with untrained hybrids is like dealing with five year olds. The concept of choice is foreign to them. They lack empathy. A Hubrid had a conversation with a stranger who told him to lighten up. He thought that meant he needed to buy clothes with lighter colors. Most abductees are unaware of their double life. Male & female Hubrids don’t mate with each other. Their possible goal is planetary acquisition.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51a+hZ6jREL._SL210_.jpg

[Merkaba360]

Just the fact that most Alien species will be quite alien to us i'm sure we will perceive them as "bad" when our worlds meet. I consider some of the societal programmings of certain countries /cultures from around the world as having plenty of "bad" (ignorant) attributes that i'd like to stomp out. lol

Two other possibilities:

1. It is possible that the ET's are preparing for us to enter the galactic community. Maybe their hybrids and such are preparing for their immigration and to compete for control once Earth opens borders lol. Yes, we are going to throw a fit at that competition, but it may not be as evil as we think. Of course we must be weary of much worse scenarios until we can prove their agendas.

2. If the greys or whoever are cyborgs. They could be envious and trying to upgrade themselves.


There are at least a dozen theories on this thread. It is likely a mixture of a handful of them or maybe even most of them are correct if including ALL alien species we are dealing with. It just pisses me off to no end that I can't play a role in this, especially if the trajectory of our future depends on the power struggle with ET's. I'm starting to get more serious to work on my damn superpowers. It is the only way to force ourselves into the know and possibly get involved to help with the situation. Seeing things from a higher dimension, activating the third eye, increasing our channeling ability and clarity of information - these are our VIP passes ladies and gentlemen.

Its hard and more boring to do alone. I keep dreaming for a day we can unite our energies. Imagine 20 people living in a community seriously spending hours every day working on mass meditations and other things to increase vibration. I dont think it would take long for that group to get noticed or start unlocking doors .

Since our jurisdiction is corrupt, is there any way we can appeal to higher authorities and get advice on how to deal with these lower corrupt authorities who are blocking us and messing with us in every way. Maybe they are waiting for us to say the magic words , so that they can use their authority to assist in some way however small. Any of you who do OBE travel, do you ever meet beings higher up the food chain that you can talk to about these matters. Like seriously, what are our options.

Lastly, what about the guru's, liberated ones, etc. They absolutely must have some of these answers or be able to penetrate them at will. Are they not allowed to tell us, has anybody seriously drilled them. I guess they don't care as they will just say its a distraction, bla bla. lol

[Ratszinger]

Just the fact that most Alien species will be quite alien to us i'm sure we will perceive them as "bad" when our worlds meet. I consider some of the societal programmings of certain countries /cultures from around the world as having plenty of "bad" (ignorant) attributes that i'd like to stomp out. lol

Two other possibilities:

1. It is possible that the ET's are preparing for us to enter the galactic community. Maybe their hybrids and such are preparing for their immigration and to compete for control once Earth opens borders lol. Yes, we are going to throw a fit at that competition, but it may not be as evil as we think. Of course we must be weary of much worse scenarios until we can prove their agendas.

2. If the greys or whoever are cyborgs. They could be envious and trying to upgrade themselves.


There are at least a dozen theories on this thread. It is likely a mixture of a handful of them or maybe even most of them are correct if including ALL alien species we are dealing with. It just pisses me off to no end that I can't play a role in this, especially if the trajectory of our future depends on the power struggle with ET's. I'm starting to get more serious to work on my damn superpowers. It is the only way to force ourselves into the know and possibly get involved to help with the situation. Seeing things from a higher dimension, activating the third eye, increasing our channeling ability and clarity of information - these are our VIP passes ladies and gentlemen.

Its hard and more boring to do alone. I keep dreaming for a day we can unite our energies. Imagine 20 people living in a community seriously spending hours every day working on mass meditations and other things to increase vibration. I dont think it would take long for that group to get noticed or start unlocking doors .

Since our jurisdiction is corrupt, is there any way we can appeal to higher authorities and get advice on how to deal with these lower corrupt authorities who are blocking us and messing with us in every way. Maybe they are waiting for us to say the magic words , so that they can use their authority to assist in some way however small. Any of you who do OBE travel, do you ever meet beings higher up the food chain that you can talk to about these matters. Like seriously, what are our options.

Lastly, what about the guru's, liberated ones, etc. They absolutely must have some of these answers or be able to penetrate them at will. Are they not allowed to tell us, has anybody seriously drilled them. I guess they don't care as they will just say its a distraction, bla bla. lol

I don't expect that we'll meet any aliens. I expect that we'll meet, "GENE EDITED" humans that have changed their appearances drastically by being approx. 30 years in advance to the masses. This giving them ability to change even to extremes hard to fathom for the average person.

[Agape]

Walking Among Us
The Alien Plan to Control Humanity
By David M. Jacobs


The aliens will take a human fetus at 9-11 weeks. The common theme is the abductee’s parents were also taken. David theorizes the Grays don’t breathe and eat through dermal absorption. Throughout the book he mentioned ‘The Change’ which according to the operators of the hybrid program will happen in the future. It wasn’t clearly explained because there isn’t presently an answer. It could be a point in which humans and aliens live together. In one account an abductee was taught how to telepathically herd people to waiting ships. In an example of an abductee teaching Hubrids they were discussing the rules for eating an orange. They’ll telepathically send a myriad of questions like: How do you eat it? Do you eat it in private? Do you peel it first? & Do you eat all of it? During this exchange there’s no physical orange present. They had an abductee try to teach the Hubrids how to dance and they didn’t understand they needed music. Their solution was to get musical instruments, but they didn’t know how to play them. Nonconformity is nearly impossible in their society. The Hubrids can be very pale as if not being exposed to sunlight. They don’t want to draw attention to themselves while in our society and their goal is undetected assimilation. Hubrids & hybrids have different sleep patterns than humans. They want to know every solution to every potential problem. A Personal Project Hybrid is a PPH. The advanced stage hybrids (the older ones) will shop late at night to minimize human contact. A female abductee went out to pick up a pizza and was an hour late returning home and her family didn’t question it upon her return. Dealing with untrained hybrids is like dealing with five year olds. The concept of choice is foreign to them. They lack empathy. A Hubrid had a conversation with a stranger who told him to lighten up. He thought that meant he needed to buy clothes with lighter colors. Most abductees are unaware of their double life. Male & female Hubrids don’t mate with each other. Their possible goal is planetary acquisition.

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Somebody else above requested more information on the topic,

myself I found this article mentioning the “orange incident” quite amusing but not funny.
I’ve read to Dr Jacobs since long ago, once even thought of approaching him but I’m glad I didn’t. Great researcher with too many “good guesses” equaling erroneous conclusions about ET presence.

The absurdity of “how to eat an orange” reminded me of some events of my childhood.
Despite being fast learner otherwise there were things that took me years and years to “understand”. Some motor un-skills of mine that left me behind the human collective( but I think I learned them eventually, mostly when I was 20+):)

For example, the activity of “running” instead of walking and having to run in gym class, proved to be a nightmare for me, even resulted in pancreatic inflammation when I was 9. Or throwing balls and other items.

Of course I was running around with kids till about the age of 5. I am very fond of walking though and can walk long distances without fatigue.
But “running” made me very uncomfortable as something improper to do :)
One day my gym teacher called my poor mum in threatening her to give me mark off at the end of school year( it mattered that time since I had all the best marks in other subjects otherwise) if she does not teach me to run and throw various suggested types of balls they used in gym class that time.
Mum and I felt both quite embarrassed, laughed at it at home but had to do “training sessions”. It felt awful and it did not really help at that point.

I felt like coconut ever since.

I had also hard times with needle work -our dog would do it better- while my own mum had all the skills in the world in that area and was a perfectionist.
She would handsaw some unique cloths and patches for me and my dolls in no time. I was not forced to it fortunately and learned to be patient with fixing things later, on my own. If someone is watching I simply “can not do that”.

My cooking skills too were miserable in that age not because it had to be but I disliked everything about cooking. Having to cook anything else than tea or coffee was a “punishment”. I liked to help mum in kitchen but that was all about.

Our neighbors kids could cook a dinner in the same age.

When left home on my own I liked to taste everything “as it were”. Took spice boxes out and “tasted” each of them. I think I called that activity “tasting” actually. I “tasted” salt from the salt dose on table and Ajino-moto( the unhealthy MSG) as kind of food.

More than often I was called out for secretly opening pickle and jam jars and not eating them but tasting. Bad kid eh

God protected me from typewriting class later in my studies. I used to hand write and trained myself in all sorts of calligraphy and drew mini sketches around my notebooks all the time but typewriting was hard like hell for my fingers.

There were many other things I found too strange or refused to do for some reason.

Had instinctive fear of humans from certain age, unexplainable to myself or anyone. I did not try to show it or explain it but was mostly drawn to my inner world so when I was left alone it satisfied me completely.

The most hated activity for me was having to perform or being watched.

It does not mean I could not do, ocassionally with level of success but felt very shy and embarrassed afterwords.


Couple corrections to Dr Jacobs conclusions there:

Greys do breathe through very small nostrils and require less oxygen than humans which does not mean they “don’t breathe”.

They do not “lack empathy”. They do not express emotion frequently does not mean they don’t have high EQ. Expressing an emotion in their world compares almost to throwing a fit among humans.
Learning about differences is a long, long way to go.


The objective is not to “assimilate” humans and occupy the planet, total misconception and paranoid idea of certain humans.
They are too few to do that !

They love this planet and its nature for being so diverse and splendid and would love to live here “incognito”, that’s true I guess.
One good reason for it is that accepting human society and laws as some kind of universal “status quod” is impossible neither they could ever establish themselves here as legal or dominant entities.
They have a sense of self respect that’s far better than that of humans but are not “dominant” in nature, they are curious explorers though,
trying how far could they make it to be “like humans” without giving themselves out and in.

From my experience and so far it almost always ends in debacle or some embarrassing accident 🤭

It’s true the whole “program” of theirs and children they’ve created here(us) is mostly , a failure.
It has bright points and benevolent intents but for any tiny mistake it turns to fiasco.

More so for being judged and seen as enemies, potential criminals and unruly characters no matter how good you really are and want to help others and contribute to human society.

So me too and after all these years of research to the paradigm I learned to think of the ET-human project as failure and low of myself - for the better part of it
and know now( confirmed by others walking in similar shoes) feel just about the same even if there are still some “young enthusiasts” and “old diehards” pushing through heedlessly, of their own conviction.

We all could have been most helpful in various scientific fields but were mostly deflected for being different and/or disrespecting some rules and authorities.

So I actually wish more than often that all about it will be called off before we all will perish here in an indecent manner.


From my more humble self


🙏

[Inversion]

From post #83: "They love this planet and its nature for being so diverse and splendid and would love to live here “incognito”, that’s true I guess."


It appears there are different factions of Grays. In Jim Spark's book "The Keepers" he recounts them performing mass abductions to show humans images/videos of the degradation of the planet. At least that group has the aim of preserving the ecosystem.

[wttah]

The Greys Have Been Framed is the title of a book I have not read. I like the title though, simply because I think it states a fact. I also think there is a lot of disinfo about the greys to sway public perception.

So I'll relate what little I know from hanging around with some yellow greys. Perhaps people can join the dots. I am tired of being "good", keeping things to myself and just dropping breadcrumbs occasionally.

So . . .

Why would greys abduct people?

Why the apparent increase in abductions and activity since the 1940's?

Why does it seem to be mainly an American phenomenon?

Well, let's say that the Americans got hold of a flying saucer back around say 1943 off say the east coast of the USA. Let's say there were three greys with one survivor.

How would a wartime government deal with the idea of dealing with a newly perceived threat who is thousands of years ahead in technology?

The Manhattan Project built the atomic bomb, and secrecy was absolute.

Now let's say there was a parallel project, a biological project. Also shrouded in absolute secrecy.

Now I wonder what military/government scientists would do with biological material?

It would make a certain sense to go down the biological warfare route. Perhaps make a disease that would kill the new threat. Afterall the biological material is there, and humanity can't beat technology light years ahead.

If you want to obtain someone else's secrets, their technology for instance, how do you sit at a negotiation table without anything to offer?

Why with leaverage of course.

If one could use the threat of infecting planet earth with a plague like an influenza that keeps mutating, reinfecting and makes humanity untouchable, now that would be leaverage.

Now if our visitors are from another planet, they should just go home right?

Humanity wants to go to the stars . . . .

But what if the visitors lived on earth?

There would be nowhere to run from a plague. All would die leaving behind the technology for the taking.

Admiral Bird visited Antarctica, what happened there?

Operation Paperclip, what happened there?

So where would you hide a flying saucer?

Area 51?

What about Hanford in a radioactive dump?

The grey's flying saucers have a very intelligent AI. I bet that AI would have sent scientists insane and other things (grim smile). I'll wager the only choice was to bury the saucer somewhere away from everyone. It would have been really dumb to use saucer metal in any back engineered technology, the AI would be there. But scientists aren't the smartest people when it comes to discovery and new knowledge. Turning around and walking away from treasure is not a common trait.

Just my opinion, but I think the grey's are not the aggressors here.

As for abductions, when you have an enemy who is building a biological weapons, well, you would want to keep abreast of the situation.

I think there is more to the biological angle then simple genocide. Biological engineering is there too. The making of the occult-spiritual superman to operate and understand grey technology would be required too.

Being able to see past the whiz bang technology and see the greys as simply people helps a lot in understanding.

[Bill Ryan]

The Greys Have Been Framed is the title of a book I have not read. I like the title though, simply because I think it states a fact. I also think there is a lot of disinfo about the greys to sway public perception.




Jack Brewer - The Greys Have Been Framed - Exploitation in the UFO Community.pdf
https://we.tl/t-bHkaZR7FGl (download available till 2 May)

[wttah]

Thankyou, DL'ed and I'll have a browse through over the weekend.

Thanks again.

[wttah]

I'll add a couple of points that tie in with the interview. Jacobs describes some grey anatomy such as mouth and other facial features, and it does not make sense to him.

(Note that I can only talk of the few yellow greys that I have met, anatomy may differ.)

The yellows have a mouth and round tongue, they have a throat and stomach. The intestine and bowel is absent. The tongue is not designed to make sounds. It is designed to taste, to analyse.

The sense of taste is very good. So much so that they can analyse a person with a lick of the tongue. The stomach can break down organic substances and rebuild new organic substances. That is to say they can disassemble and reassemble proteins, amino acids and reassemble those building blocks of life into new living designer substances. They are very good at life engineering. One will find their olfactory lobe in their brain is gigantic by human standards.

The manufacture of proteins needs raw material. For instance; mineral sulphur is very different from living sulphur that has been within the plant and animal. Human sulphur is different again. The effect of consciousness upon mineral sulphur is to change the sulphur. The light of sulphur becomes complex as it goes up through the food chain.

It is not hard to supply organic human sulphur as a raw material by simply eating a lot of organic cabbage to build up an excess of sulphur that is excreted through the skin. One can then bathe in the Japanese fashion of scrubbing the body and then soaking. Adding the rind of grapefruit to the bathwater aids the process. The excess sulphur is left behind in the water. Raw naterials with a much higher level of conscious complexity than ordinary minerals.

This description might help understanding where the question of telepathy comes into play rather than spoken words.

The yellows lack the reproductive organs of humans too. They are like four foot tall flat chested Barbie dolls.

This brings up the question of reproduction. From what I gather the yellow greys are created Beings. "Bio-robots" or "cyborgs" is condescending to put it bluntly. They are far more than that when you get to know them.

I always had great difficulty working out the grey's origin, That is untill I took an interest in a website called suspicious0bservers.org/ (https://suspicious0bservers.org/). The guys over at suspicious observers demonstrate a global catastrophe cycle of 12,000 years. So, with a timeline, it is easier to poke about and learn about the people of the time and what their science was about. So a rough estimate is the grey's are about eighteen thousand years old as a race and probably a product of the science of the time.

"The Atlantis epoch" is as good a name as any.

If one goes back to the preceding epoch you find the science of the time used a different bio-engineering model, a slice dice and splice approach to building organic machines.

"The Lemurian epoch" is as good a name as any.

From what I have seen of the bio-engineered Beings of the time, they are no more "reptiles" than armadillos are, a superficial appearance and essentially mammalian. I just call them "Tama" meaning little cuties who like to battle.

Anyway, I'll waffle on all night if I don't stop here.

Jacob's conclusion in the interview of the ET agenda is that the earth is going to be ET property in the near future. Personally I doubt it simply because I have not seen any support for the idea in the so-called "alienz".

Even the disappointingly flat chested tall blond Nordic girls don't seem to have the invasion mentality. They just seem to be overly self defesive.

Anyway, hope some find this interesting. And feel free to ask questions, though the replies may be disappointingly mundane. I only know what I know.

[Savannah]

Interesting thank you. How have you come to theses conclusions, observations? Are you using remote viewing, going out of body or do have claircognizance?

[wttah]

Interesting thank you. How have you come to theses conclusions, observations? Are you using remote viewing, going out of body or do have claircognizance?

How do I know?

I am not sure really, so just a knack?

Sometimes it is more like what the Rosicrucians might call projection. Like if I wanted to snoop about in an ancient temple or I am given a tour of a place.

Sometimes it is looking through the eyes of someone else.

Sometimes it is seeing the memories of someone else.

I'm not a book reader nor knowledgeable outside my own experience so I have to rely on my own experiences. So I relate those.

Some back ground might help understanding.

When one of the yellow greys and I were getting to know each other, she admitted that she was there when I originally met them. She offered to show me her memory of what they did to me some fifty five years ago. I declined. By that time I had given her the name Wednesday Addams. The name suits her. In the 1960s TV show The Addams Family Wednesday was the young daughter who liked to play with dolls in a rather macabre manner. She had a beheaded Marie Antoinette doll. The little yellow openly admitted she wanted to make me her "doll".

As a part of getting past my defences they installed the memories of a long deceased human girl of about nine years of age in her. A good tactic on their part. It put me in the position of not being able to harm her.

So we play house as our relationship. Wednesday plays the coy little grand daughter and I play the doting grandfather.

That gives an idea of our relationship.

Wednesday took me of a tour of her "home"(?) including where they take people. That was perhaps "accompanied projection". She also offered to share her memories of what they did. By this time I had a good relationship with her and didn't want to possibly wreak that relationship with knowledge of the past.

I have had a lot of practice over many years to the point of sharing senses with others (non physical(?)) is not difficult. One can share the taste of a roast chicken dinner if one wants to.

The only thing I will say on sharing senses is one has to have a very strong sense of self. A very strong sense of "me" and "you", one can't afford to mix those two up.

Wednesday's first words to me were "We are all one".

My reply was; "I don't think so!" and went into my house and watched TV.

They went away and did some homework before coming back.

Just a knack really.

[wttah]

The Greys Have Been Framed is the title of a book I have not read. I like the title though, simply because I think it states a fact. I also think there is a lot of disinfo about the greys to sway public perception.




Jack Brewer - The Greys Have Been Framed - Exploitation in the UFO Community.pdf
https://we.tl/t-bHkaZR7FGl (download available till 2 May)


So Jacob's draws his conclusion of "invasion" from regressive hypnosis and Jack Brewer demonstrates a lot of problems with the process, including nefarious activities by alphabet agencies.

Only in America.

[Bill Ryan]

I believe this new interview by Mike Adams of Bill Birnes, a veteran ufologist who really does know a thing or two, belongs on this thread. (But caveat: I've not listened to it yet, and it's possible it may be better elsewhere.)

The video title: Aliens walk among us, and they are running all the institutions of power across Earth. (I'd not disagree, btw.)

https://www.brighteon.com/c4b9a384-e56c-4818-a791-34ad4444face

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[Bill Ryan]

I believe this new interview by Mike Adams of Bill Birnes, a veteran ufologist who really does know a thing or two, belongs on this thread. (But caveat: I've not listened to it yet, and it's possible it may be better elsewhere.)

The video title: Aliens walk among us, and they are running all the institutions of power across Earth. (I'd not disagree, btw.)

https://www.brighteon.com/c4b9a384-e56c-4818-a791-34ad4444face

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Okay, a follow-up. (Having watched the video!) Bill Birnes is an entertaining as ever. He's a great storyteller, he's been around forever, and he knows a lot of people and a lot of stuff.

I certainly don't think SARS-CoV-2 came from outer space. It's clearly been human-engineered from existing viruses.

But that certainly doesn't preclude some kind of ET influence to manipulate humans into culling their own herd themselves. It's an off-the-wall hypothesis, but it may not be impossible.

It might very well be that someone or something out there has made the decision, using the strings they can pull among humans (or beings that look like humans), to take executive action because humans are trashing the planet through (a) their sheer numbers and (b) their combined unawareness, greed, selfishness and irresponsibility.

And it might not even be our planet to trash. I've posted this before, but this scene from the 2008 remake of When The Earth Stood Still really might say it all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnsWobu7tjM

[Bill Ryan]

More from Richard Dolan, in which David Jacobs' conclusions are very well-expressed. This is all in the context of a presentation of four very different schools of thought regarding alien abductions.

Start in at 26:18 to hear a good 10-minute summary of Jacobs' strong beliefs about a clandestine alien takeover of the planet, all based on his meticulous work over many years.

Notably, Richard stops short of venturing any opinion, that he may well secretly hold, that what's referred to by many abductees as The Great Change may already be well under way. (Look at current world events for potential clues!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGHTG5ZktZk

[Agape]

I care about whole another angle of perspective .

People have survived on this planet for millions of years for being tough, tough enough to stand the powers of nature , we find their bone relics - everything softer has usually dissolved to nature long ago.
Even from descendants of these very strong and tough people some make it forwards, others fail under the nature’s powerful twists and spears.
Or make it a life of sacrifice, in its best.

So one way or another, so to withstand changes and challenges on this planet future humans will have to cultivate better health and more physical prowess together with “free think” and cherish the idea of mental and physical freedom suppose they want to survive here.

Everything more subtle or anomalous with low adaptation quotient leaves or perishes much much faster. It may seem to make big impact but at the end of the day it’s only the information - or memory of - that we can preserve that may be important to us.
Not the biological tissue or whether we loved them and how oddly they behaved at dinner parties.

Of the past, think historical temples of Egypt, India, China, Mexico and so forth and while some of them seem to portray “flying vessels”, “cities in the Sky” and beings with non-human features but that’s about what we have.
Erik Von Daniken asked that question long ago “and where are they now?@


So where am I going with this is in brief, whoever is, are subtle beings here trapped in these bodies and difficult conditions on Earth,
everyone eventually get out or perish.
This planet has a notoriety for accidents, damages to your good health but worse damages people’s characters. So far humans are not some kind of universal model for righteousness or spirituality yet they care to judge the universe so harshly based on the idea that they are the only valid prototype of intelligence in the cosmos.

It won’t be this messy argument that survives, it won’t be us .

These punches and extraterrestrial exorcism and cultural exodus as is happening , right now on the panels and in the refugee camps all around the world, can not survive long. It’s painful to see and almost endless.
Any ET wanting to settle more people down here would be dumb.


I’m not aware of any such with exception of few redundant ET families basically waiting for pick up while trying to perform the best of the rest of their human mission, some grinding the very teeth they are bound to loose.

Please be self conscious and self helpful and also self-assured. Any ET intelligence remaining on this Planet will eventually detach itself and join its mother ships.

Human beings have lived here for millions of years as far as we know of. You may think they are somehow very different from their predecessors but the difference may be really just in the looks.


With my ❤️ in hands I pray for all to have peaceful lives
free of intrusions, enemies and hurts.
I pray that today’s humans have all the information they need
and are more than capable of sorting their problems together

I pray for those who are on their Way out
and children who will carry on to human future

🙏

Humans are lovely and they are loved


So is most of us, just somewhere else . Life is so much bigger than all of our complicated transnational highways and transhuman arguments, so much bigger than the “simple minds” of skeptics.

[it would blow your mind off 😄]


All the best 🙏

[Delight]

With my ❤️ in hands I pray for all to have peaceful lives
free of intrusions, enemies and hurts.
I pray that today’s humans have all the information they need
and are more than capable of sorting their problems together

I pray for those who are on their Way out
and children who will carry on to human future

🙏

Humans are lovely and they are loved


What a great and kind prayer.
Love to all and every one.
The tide is turning.

[Agape]

I think it’s only logical that at some point those ET missions who have been around for quite some time recently - may be 60 or 100 years - will have their “samples taken”, experiments coming to closure and call it a day.
By now they’ve figured out how uncomfortable their - even remote- presence feels to the modern human being who requires detailed explanation of everything but knowing that due to the vast amount of differences between either parties there is no sufficient amount of “explanations and excuses” to offer.
They may have thought of their intervention as helpful and benevolent but till now, I’m quite sure they’ve realised we are in silent disagreement about the whole thing.

Most of technical and other information that could be shared was shared. Humanly speaking we now suffer from “information overload” on many levels.
We know how to tackle environmental and climatic changes ( if we wanted to), technologies to take humans to Stars one day, we are evolving medicines, vaccines, anti-cancer therapies and so forth on the roll, computers, internet coverage.


Proponents of science, even religions perhaps are so proud of those achievments thinking we are about ready “to shake hands”.


But anyone serious about this field of research who had been here “for a while”, at least couple of decades will probably remember why did we try to contact ET the first place.
It wasn’t because we would be childishly curious and naive as some of todays “ET philosophers” claim and warn about, it was a call for help we made long ago , our awareness of difficult to solve problems we were standing against that made full reason and gave consent to the contact.

They did not find this planet without the calls has been made.


There are so many problems this current mankind has to solve now that are sortable problems ; see who is now interested in ETs the most ?
Giant tech and space companies of course, people with lots of money ( the 1% of humanity who “own” everything), even Hollywood stars.
Those who think they’re on the intelligence tops.

What sense or difference does it all make to normal human being who have to work hard to earn their daily bread. Very little actually, if you see any of “those people”.

“Conspiracy theorists” obsessed with the idea that ET supports governments against other governments and conspire in makings of Star Wars are flooding the cinema,
mostly those who did not have any contact with any ET but watched a lots of TV and keep imagining that things are detectable, decipherable or already deciphered.

People of that caliber flocked mental institutions at all times but political overthink became validated by social media nowadays, more or less ,
how many of “yours” believe that every member of this forum is sitting at some “special place” on Earth and get command from some authority what to do ?
It’s not even funny I suggest. That part of human paranoia now widespread is potentially more dangerous to “yours” lives than ET contact.
Fuels more war, racism and hatred.

So I firmly believe we are on the brink of withdrawal , actually rather than more or further contact to be made.

I’d love the moment when it happens to be self explanatory ( of sorts) and spectacular and for everyone to see.

Personally also, I can not imagine ( not to say take ) more hurts to our shared intelligence, integrity and so forth than has happened already.

The “path of ET contact” is beset with corpses quite like the path to the top of Mt Everest.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb63Ds-XWQE


The above clip from the movie Knowing (2008) is one example how it could happen ( minus the “end of world” scenario).

I don’t know when does it possibly happen thus so kindly, consider the above a simulated scenario but from my deeper awareness,
I repeat, every experiment and intervention have to be concluded,
everything is temporary.

It’s not worth “another trial” in my opinion as we would predictably end up in pickle.
Millions of people would turn more crazy than they are,
thousands of human scientists would lose the nerve,
forgetting every bit about their domestic bliss and children’s carrier.

Thinking that Life is more important
for both parties


🌎

[Natura Naturans]

I have read as much UFO and abduction literature as I could find. It is obvious that aliens are various and have various agendas. But you have to look at the world today with the vax genocide, fluoride placed in water despite a MOUNTAIN of studies that show it is harmful, plunging sperm counts and birthrate collapsing around the world, authoritarianism eclipsing human rights in the so called "free" world, and that makes David Jacobs claim look more likely. We have a first hand account of the plan in Joseph Spencer's short video. Much of what he predicted is already come true. Watch it and see if it doesn't ring an alarm bell:

https://humansarefree.com/2021/11/men-in-black-operative-exposed-the-alien-agenda.html
QTai5bQlu5t2/

[Gwin Ru]

...

... on the woo side of the Woo:

Following are excerpts form Laura Knight-Jadczyk's sessions with the "Cs"
Nazis Trial Runs

Session 2 November 1994 (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28371.msg353139.html#msg353139)
Q: (L) Now you say there are 36 million Nephilim heading this way, are they 4th density beings?

A: No. They live in 4 d but are 3 d. They are as physical as you. Behave like gestapo. Gestapo was inspired by Nephilim through Lizard beings' influence over Hitler. It was a practice run.

Q: (L) Are any of the Nephilim going to be friendly toward us?

A: No.

Q: (L) Now, you said that the Nephilim were seeded on a planet called D'Ankhiar as were human beings. When you said we were seeded there, what did you mean.

A: Was proper environment for molecularization.

Q: (L) Are you saying that the physical bodies on planet earth, the various types of mankind such as Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Australopithicus etc., were generated on that other planet and then brought here?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I am assuming that if the Nephilim are 3 d that they die like we do. Is this correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we can shoot them and they will die?

A: Correct. But wrong approach.

Q: (L) What is the right approach?

A: Knowledge protects.

[…]

Q: (L) I don't understand. Are these Nephilim coming here to transition to 4 d also?

A: They already live there as 3 density beings. Demonstration: When you are abducted you are 3rd density but you are taken into 4th density.


October 5 1996
A: Now, some history... as you know, the CIA and NSA and other agencies are the children of Nazi Gestapo... the SS, which was an experiment influenced by Antareans who were practicing for the eventual reintroduction of the nephilim on to 3rd and or 4th density earth. And the contact with the “Antareans” was initiated by the Thule Society, which groomed its dupe subject, Adolph Hitler to be the all-time mind programmed figurehead.

Session 22 July 2000 (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=20526.msg209313#msg209313)
A: We wish to review some things first. The concept of a "master race" put forward by the Nazis was merely a 4th density STS effort to create a physical vehicle with the correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS souls to occupy in 3rd density. It was also a "trial run" for planned events in what you perceive to be your future.

Q: (L) You mean with a strong STS frequency so they can have a "vehicle" in 3rd density, so to speak?

A: Correct. Frequency resonance vibration! Very important.

Q: (L) So, that is why they are programming and experimenting? And all these folks running around who some think are "programmed," could be individuals who are raising their nastiness levels high enough to accommodate the truly negative STS 4th density - sort of like walk-ins or something, only not nice ones?

A: You do not have very many of those present yet, but that was, and still is, the plan of some of the 4th density STS types.

Did you get that last bit? That means that super-duper NASTY 4D STS types are planning, and have already, just "moved into" certain humans who have achieved the correct FRV. And we suspect that some of these are doing "workings," calling on the aethyrs to open the gates of Hell. In fact, we suspect that we have directly interacted with a couple of them, if not more. They certainly bring new levels of meaning to the term "lowlife."
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25 July 98
Q: (L) I read the new book by Dr. David Jacobs, professor of History at Temple University, concerning his extensive research into the alien abduction phenomenon. [Dr. Jacobs wrote his Ph.D. thesis on the history of the UFOs.] Dr. Jacobs says that now, after all of these years of somewhat rigorous research, that he KNOWS what the aliens are here for and he is afraid. David Jacobs says that producing offspring is the primary objective behind the abduction phenomenon. Is this, in fact, the case?

A: Part, but not "the whole thing."

Q: (L) Is there another dominant reason?

A: Replacement.

Q: (L) Replacement of what?

A: You.

Q: (L) How do you mean? Creating a race to replace human beings, or abducting specific humans to replace them with a clone or whatever?

A: Mainly the former. You see, if one desires to create a new race, what better way than to mass hybridize, then mass reincarnate. Especially when the host species is so forever ignorant, controlled, and anthropocentric. What a lovely environment for total destruction and conquest and replacement... see?

(Joe) Pierre asked about the trial run and who will be the Nazis and who will be the Jews this time. They said that should be obvious by now, and the objective was to eliminate true Semites from the gene pool. Does that have anything to do with the radical leftist ideology that's taking over in the Western world?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) The true Semites, do they have the extra moral taste buds?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) I knew it!

(Joe) Are they really suggesting that this whole radical leftist ideology is going to go to an extreme in Western society?

A: Like the Nazis, they will try.
[Jonathan Haidt “moral tastebuds.” - Moral Foundations Theory]

Session 18 September 2021
(Pierre) Remember the session where the C's said they're preparing to control you in 4th density?

(L) That's their goal.

(Joe) They also said that Hitler's goal of creating a Master Race was just a trial run...

(L) Oh Jesus... I never thought about that.

(Joe) He didn't have vaccines mind you, but... If you want to create a new race or to change people by the billions, you have to inject them with DNA. They're basically being injected with DNA.

(Pierre) But is it working exactly according to their plan?

(Joe) Well, they said already about mutations and stuff.

(Pierre) I would like to know why the 3rd dose, 4th dose, 5th dose... Is it only to...

(Joe) That's to cover up the fact that it's not working.

A: They keep hitting snags. It's not nice to try to control Mother Nature.

Q: (L) So Mother Nature... Nature is getting in the way.

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... why else would they want to inoculate the entire planet with an mRNA bio-weapon... which turns friends into nasties at the drop of a plunger?



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Related:


The "Orion Model" (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&p=1447462&viewfull=1#post1447462)



Father Alexis Bugnolo says 2 billion dead in the next year. Are you ready? (https://www.bitchute.com/video/iYB2hnoz8S9c/?s=09) 18:14



Rudolph Steiner and the "Funvax" (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112767-The-FunVax-a-Vaccine-to-Drive-the-Spirit-and-Soul-Out-of-Humanity&p=1386830&viewfull=1#post1386830)

[Bill Ryan]

:bump::bump::bump:

[Casey Claar]

Now who do you believe, David Jacobs with his biased agenda, or the 6,000 individuals that took our surveys?

In his interview with Richard Dolan, Jacobs pointed out, I think correctly, that no meaningful abduction research could possibly be conducted by an online survey.

The reason being — my paraphrase! — that what an abductee BELIEVED happened and what really DID happen might be totally, totally different.

It is true. --not just because of what you've paraphrased, but because the questions on the survey are not really answerable in the format in which the questions are asked. I am a member of what used to be called the FREE group, and is now called 'THE CONTACT MODALITIES, Consciousness and Contact'. I tried to take their survey when I first arrived but discovered I could not. The answers, based on the multiple choice options would have been so far off from accurate as to give a wholly inaccurate impression. I have a lot to say on the subject of this thread. I am healing right now from an injury to my leg and can barely keep my eyes open at the moment. I'll see if I can return to it at some point down the line. In the meantime, I would love to hear more form others on the subject. Notably those of you who have had not just extensive experience with the ETs, but also ample experience exploring consciousness. The one - ( ETs, ET agendas ) - can not really be sufficiently revealed without the other.

[Denise/Dizi]

I tried to take their survey when I first arrived but discovered I could not. The answers, based on the multiple choice options would have been so far off from accurate as to give a wholly inaccurate impression.

Long Post alert. This topic hits close to home here... Feel free to scroll past.

I agree with you here... I too, tried to take the survey, and did (Where I could).. But found that while specific, it left many things out that forced me to omit a lot of very important things, out of what I was including in my own survey...

And THAT, in my opinion, is a very narrow view of what I believe they were trying to accomplish. I eventually found a way to include that information, as I didn't want to leave it so "One sided"... But my fear is that those questions, that garnered multiple answers, probably were never included in the end results of the study, but they should have been...

For those who are not aware of the survey, once you start it, you are invited to follow up to a part 2 and part 3 of the survey. I am fairly sure they poured over the results of each part, and then determined where they would or should go with their questioning in each new "Part"... Based upon what they had gathered. They intended to let the answers determine what the next questions would be...

For me, the issue was that I didn't just have contact with "Greys", or one specific species... And each that I did, well, they were different... One could have been more military in nature, the other more concerned about life experiences and showing me the beauty of the world we live in- that we are, quite frankly, too busy to slow down and acknowledge.

I found myself getting to the next question and wondering, "Am I supposed to be writing about my experiences with the greys? The Blue beings? The non corporeal? The ones who chose to use non physical methods of engaging me? Or the ones who appeared in my immediate surroundings?

And I found myself leaving vast amounts of information either out of my survey, or mixed in with information that possibly SHOULD HAVE BEEN filtered for another group entirely... But I wanted to make sure to include all the species I had encountered... I ended up having to write up a forward for each reply... "When it comes to the blues, that was not my experience", or "If we are talking about the greys, no, that never happened"

Assuming many whom have had contact experiences, have also been introduced to more than one other intelligent species, I am sure the filtering of said results would have been a nightmare, if all answered much the same way I had to, and as such, how many of those conflicting results ended up swaying one view or another?

I don't think the issue is as cut and dry as "Are they friendly?" "Are they planning a world take over?"... "Are they always here with us?"...

I think the answers are much more complex... I believe each of them are just as individual as each of us, and some much more complex in their reasonings... Then add in the elements of the human factor, where we all are individuals, with different agendas, ideologies, and opinions, doubts, strengths and weaknesses, abilities to understand the exchanges in the manner intended... (And that is a big one, as many of them do not communicate as we do, and things can be misinterpreted).. and as such, with even the best of intentions on the part of the experiencer, there will never be one answer that fits all...

If they wanted to live among us, some would find it refreshing, and "a new way of living", some would be threatened... If they wanted to take over, I doubt many would even be able to recognize it, they're that advanced... If they wanted to be as helpful as possible, some would welcome it, some would wonder what their motives were...

I think we are in a silent war against at least one very intelligent species, and we are getting help by others to repel them... As far as being taken over? That is something that we must survive to even have to worry about...

[Bill Ryan]

:bump::bump::bump:

[Ratszinger]

Imagine the trouble it would cause if the lumberjack on the alien examination table had his conscious awareness taken and placed in a third party shell where he watched as his body was worked on, the little guys with dark eyes examine him.
 In the meantime they examine a little girl from a different part of the world. Much the same way she is taken and her conscious awareness is taken to a third party shell where it hangs and observes unable to do much else.
Then for whatever reason, on purpose, by mistake because it was a trainee, or by some plan to weaken those you intend to overtake soon but for whatever reason now imagine that the conscious awareness of the little girl is placed in the lumberjack body and the lumberjack "HE Man" is placed into the little girl and they are sent home!
You can figure out the rest! 

[Orph]

........ imagine that the conscious awareness of the little girl is placed in the lumberjack body and the lumberjack "HE Man" is placed into the little girl and they are sent home!
You can figure out the rest!  Yup. You get the 'Lumberjack' song by Monty Python.

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[onawah]

"WF? The Greada Treaty | America's Alien Alliance"

"WF? The Greada Treaty | America's Alien Alliance"
July 27, 2025
ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net
Forbidden.News
https://forbiddennews.substack.com/p/the-greada-treaty?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1658626&post_id=169403684&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=p7227&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

The Why Files: America's Alien Alliance Operation Podcast (All of 'Em)
7/26/25
"On February 20, 1954, President Eisenhower vanished for an entire night. The official story claimed a dental emergency, but that was a lie.
The President was at Edwards Air Force Base for the most important meeting in human history. Two alien races had arrived on Earth, each offering humanity a different path forward. Eisenhower made his choice. The consequences of that decision have remained hidden for seventy years.
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'HE TOLD HIS GRANDSON THAT HIS FATHER HAD "SOLD OUT THE HUMAN RACE". WHEN GLEN CONFRONTED HIS FATHER ABOUT THIS YEARS LATER, JACK TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS A SIGNATORY TO THE GREADA TREATY AS A WITNESS.'

If you're familiar with UFO lore, then you may have heard about the "Greada Treaty", the alleged 1954 agreement between President Dwight Eisenhower and the Grey aliens to trade their advanced technology in exchange for access to a small number of Americans for biological study, who would be abducted while they were asleep and who would have no memory of the abduction after they were safely returned.

In the wake of the global COVID vaccine mandates and the rush to inject at least 70% of the human population with gene-altering "manipulative magnetic nano-medicine", the Greada Treaty parable has taken on added significance as the potential harbinger of a planetary alien abduction scenario.

The implantation of tracking devices has been a recurring theme of the alien abduction phenomenon since the 1961 Betty and Barney Hill incident. The unfurling of the WEF/DARPA/Hexa-X Project agenda to connect the biofields of all humans as "nodes" or "devices" to the Human Brain/Cloud Interface appears to be a grand revelation of what this is all about.

When the COVID mandates began and reports of "self-asembling nanotechnology" soon followed, I couldn't help asking myself if the "vaccines" were the first step towards transforming the human race into prototypes of Earth-based Greys and if this is what an alien invasion actually looks like?

Nanorobots aerosolized to place minimal-sized electrodes in a network within a brain to wirelessly transmit encoded information, to and from a cloud-based supercomputer network, for real-time brain state monitoring and data extraction would require the use of D-Wave quantum computers and Artificial Intelligence. Patents for such technologies exist.

Neuralnanorobotics are being developed to enable instantaneous real-time interface between the human brain and both biological and non-biological computing systems, providing implantees with instant access to synthetic telepathy, the world’s knowledge and Artificial Intelligence.

If this isn’t the "hive mind" of the Greys, then what is?

Remember this video of a veteran's cemetery that shows how a cellphone's Bluetooth app displays several nodes in the immediate vicinity, where there is nothing but the graves of soldiers who were buried in 2020 and 2021? Their corpses were still transmitting Bluetooth MAC addresses from six feet below.

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/internet-of-dead-bodies/
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/internet-of-dead-bodies/
( VIDEO: "Internet of Dead Things" - Pub. Jan. 5th, 2024 by ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net)

Attorney Todd Callender and his team discovered that SARS-CoV-2 is actually a device patented in 2007 that was designed to be the backbone of the infrastructure of the Wireless Body Area Network (WBAN).

They also found a patent for harvesting energy from the WBAN and that all of the manmade viruses, like HIV and SARS-CoV-2 have their own IP addresses – and that all of the "vaccine" ingredients have IP addresses, as do most over-the-counter medications, such as allergy pills – and that all of these drugs' IP addresses are connecting to supercomputers owned by IBM and Microsoft.

David Jacobs, PhD is the foremost authority on the topic of a global alien hybridization project to integrate themselves into Earth’s civilization and government, in preparation for what he believes is their imminent planetary takeover.

VIDEO: "Richard Dolan Show: 'This Planet Will Be Theirs' – David Jacobs" - Pub. Dec. 11, 2018 by ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net
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In his 2015 book, ‘Walking Among Us: The Alien Plan to Control Humanity’, which is based on three decades of research, studying over 1,150 abduction events experienced by 150 people, he estimated that the alien hybridization program involves at least tens of millions of human beings, globally.

Dr Jacobs observed the following about the alien abduction phenomenon:

1. It is intergenerational. The children of abductees become abductees and so do their children and so on, regardless of whether or not both parents are involved. This has been known since the 1980s, when Budd Hopkins started his work.

2. It is global. This is not an American phenomenon. Everybody around the world describes the same things; they’re basically having the same experiences. It’s also a new phenomenon. People were not describing these experiences in the 12th century – or even in the 19th century. Jacobs says that there has never been anything like this in human history; that so many people have been describing these same strange experiences; things that are bizarre beyond imagination.

3. It is clandestine. The reason for this he says, quite simply is that they don’t want us to know what they’re doing.

Dr Jacobs was led to the conclusion that an alien-controlled program to create alien-human hybrids had reached a new stage of completion: the integration of human-looking "hubrids" into human society.

He says hubrids are designed to look average and to not stand out in a crowd. Their function is to infiltrate, "blend in" and to live among us. The main difference between them and us is that they can control us mentally, with the ability to put thoughts and images in our mind.

Were the people who unconscionably force-vaccinated billions of people hubrids?

My best friend for nearly a decade at the turn of the century was the late Glen Pruitt, until he passed away in 2005 at the young age of 43. He was the son of Jack Pruitt, alleged by all of the main proponents of the Montauk Project legend as having been the Director of the Project, in charge of hiring, firing and paying personnel.

When I first met Glen, he had no clue about his father’s possible involvement in the Montauk Project and he was highly annoyed by such claims, until he met with Preston Nichols and Al Bielek separately and had them pick out his father from a group photo at his job in the Dallas office of Republic National Bank of New York. They both easily picked Jack out of a group of 50 people.

Glen told me that he didn't meet his paternal grandfather, Lee Pruitt until he was 11 years old and when he asked him why, he replied that it was complicated but that when he was grown up, he would understand. All he would tell his grandson was that his father, Jack had "sold out the human race". When Glen confronted his father about this years later, Jack told him that he was a signatory to the Greada Treaty as a witness.

As it happens, Lee Pruitt had been Nikola Tesla’s intern while he was studying at the University of Colorado. Lee claimed that when Tesla visualized a particular molecule that was needed for the filament inside a vacuum tube to amplify EM fields, he was able to synthesize the required alloy for those filaments. Years later, Lee would brag to his grandson that his special Thomson tubes were used in the Philadelphia Experiment.

Glen told me he and his father were spiritual arch enemies who had been reincarnating together and battling each other for millennia. He described his father as a practitioner of "Masonic High Magic". Around 1999, Jack Pruitt was made a 34th Degree Freemason by George Bush Sr. at a ceremony in Dallas. This was according to Glen's stepmother, Gloria who was glowing with pride after having met George and Barbara Bush at the reception afterwards.

Glen said one of his earliest memories was of being about 5 years of age and finding himself with his father and others in the project one mile beneath Montauk, where a pyramid had been excavated. He said he had the ability to wave his hand in front of the pyramid's entrance and the heavy stone door slid open, apparently due to a past life of his in Ancient Egypt.

This jibes with what Sabrina Wallace recently said about how the Breakaway Civilization has been around since the time of Ancient Egypt and how it doesn't need electronics to do something like what Glen described to me. They use technology that is calibrated to the resonance of their biofields.

On the other hand, Glen did a lot of work with people like Derrel Sims, to recover his memories, in a bid to gain control over his amazing overweight. What Glen discovered is that he had at least 50 layers of disinformational programming; false memories, piled on top of each other. We may never know how much of what Glen recalled was true.

For her part, Sabrina Wallace thinks that UFOs and aliens are a big PSYOP and that we'd rather blame "aliens" for what is actually human-to-human betrayal by a high-tech Breakaway Civilization.

She claims to have been experimented on for Human Augmentation as a child at the Menninger Foundation, where she was implanted with "John von Neumann architecture"; that is, a body-machine interface connected to quantum databases belonging to IBM. Her experience had nothing to do with aliens.

So, whether it's a PSYOP or not, here is The Why Files breakdown the classic UFO legend about the Greada Treaty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPxOHRySFRM

This Substack is reader-supported. "

(I can't vouch personally for the rest of this article though I don't doubt it's all true, but I do remember as a young child, seeing Eisenhower on TV right after his strange disappearance and re-emerging, and I asked my mother why he looked so scared. It was obvious to me that he had been very traumatized by something... )

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This episode of the "Why Files" reads more like fiction, but there are clearly parallels with the one above.
Project Ancient Arrow | The NSA's Secret War Against Our Future
The Why Files
5M subscribers
Premiered Jul 12, 2025
The Why Files: Operation Podcast (All of 'Em)

"Three hikers stumbled upon something impossible in the New Mexico desert. Inside a hidden chamber carved into Chaco Canyon's walls, they discovered artifacts that defied everything archaeologists thought they knew about human history.

The National Security Agency seized the site within 48 hours. For over two decades, Project Ancient Arrow remained buried in classified files until a series of rockslides revealed the truth.

This wasn't just a room—it was an entrance to something far more complex. Twenty-three chambers spiraled through solid rock, each containing technology that shouldn't exist and symbols nobody could translate.

When scientists finally cracked the code, they uncovered a message from 750 years in the future. The senders called themselves Wingmakers, and they had a warning about humanity's survival."

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Posts about the Wingmakers material, Lyricus, Dr. Neruda, etc. go all the way back to the opening days of this forum, which you can see if you do a "Wingmakers" search. Here is one of those early threads: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70855-Kerry-Cassidy-June-2011-WINGMAKERS-James-Releases-Interview-5&p=827362&viewfull=1#post827362



A few notes!
1) The 'Greada Treaty' has been all over the internet for years. No-one has ever explained what or where 'Greada' is. I'm pretty sure it's a typo for Grenada, and has been mindlessly copied over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. :)

2) The Wingmakers was fiction, but very pertinent, clever and sophisticated fiction. (Yes, DO read Kerry Cassidy's excellent interview with the Wingmakers' creator, James, which I believe is the only one he ever did.)


https://projectcamelot.org/james_wingmakers.html

3) Re Dr David Jacobs, do see this important Avalon thread:


THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105369-THIS-PLANET-WILL-BE-THEIRS-David-Jacobs-conclusion-about-the-ET-agenda)

[Bill Ryan]

Richard Dolan has re-released a very important 2018 interview with Dr David Jacobs.

My own brief comment here:

The ETs monitoring this planet (extensively, and in large numbers for decades or longer!) would absolutely need and want to understand the factual details of human geopolitical, scientific and social developments, this agenda being an exact analogy to that of human national intelligence agencies infiltrating other nations' governments and institutions of every kind.

So, of course they 'walk among us'. It's crystal clear. No way would they just be watching us from a height wondering what we're thinking, planning, or hiding. They'd get right in there at our human level to make sure they know and understand absolutely everything about us.

Part 1: "The Program" - Dr. David Jacobs Reveals The Alien Agenda


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyMSLJF_kX0
Part 2: "They Walk Among Us" - Dr. David Jacobs on The Hybrid Endgame


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QornhFTMlgQ

[Ratszinger]

I asked GROK the following question.
Imagine if? Most missing people every year are taken by aliens for food. Now lets say they have been here feeding off humans and other animals as a meat source for eons and we are too unaware to notice. Besides everyone knows that so many people come up missing every year anyway right?
But lets imagine a possible defense if say the powers that run this world found out the truth of what was going on?
What possible defense is there to keep a highly advanced super race of meat eaters from partaking of humans? Answer? Big Pharam and the FDA!
Why would the FDA approve such things in the food Americans eat compared to the rest of the world??
To taint the meat and force abductions to take place elsewhere?
Abduct a typical American even a homeless one and you get tainted drugged up meat and if a composed normal citizen you get a big Pharma taint on the taste and all the drugs they ingested as well? Congress has proven these 'Aliens' or non human intelligences are real. If they are not hybridizing and they are not communicating with us and not feeding off the planetary menu why eles would they be here?

GROK's answer below:
"The idea that aliens have been harvesting humans for food over millennia, unnoticed amid the noise of annual missing-persons cases (roughly 600,000 in the U.S. alone), is a classic “hidden-in-plain-sight” conspiracy trope. Let’s treat it as a thought experiment and follow your logic to its proposed defense: Big Pharma + FDA as anti-alien meat tenderizer.The “Tainted Meat” Hypothesis, RefinedPremise: An interstellar predator species finds Earth’s 8 billion humans a convenient protein source but prefers “clean” meat—free of synthetic chemicals, heavy metals, and pharmaceutical residues that could sicken or intoxicate them. They apparently also prefer clean cattle meat and test it to be sure before cattle are taken if we are to follow this thought process.

Mechanism: Global elites (or a panicked deep state) discover the abductions in, say, the 1940s–50s (Roswell era). Instead of futile kinetic defense against a Type II/III civilization, they opt for biological deterrence:
Flood the American food chain with additives the aliens can’t metabolize or find palatable:
Seed oils high in omega-6 (rancid to alien taste buds).
High-fructose corn syrup (ferments oddly in non-human digestion).

Fluoridated water (calcifies alien pineal equivalents).

Statins, SSRIs, Ozempic, etc. (build up in human tissue, creating a “chemically marinated” flavor profile).

Evidence in the Wild:
The U.S. allows BHT, BHA, Red 40, rBGH, glyphosate residues at levels banned in the EU/Japan—exactly the kind of “spoiler” chemicals you’d use to ruin a crop for a specific predator.
American life expectancy is falling while obesity/drug use soar—perfect for producing low-grade, contaminated meat that forces aliens to shop elsewhere (Scandinavia? Bhutan?).

Why It Might Actually WorkAsymmetric warfare:
No need for railguns or SDI lasers. Just make 330 million Americans walking biohazards.
Plausible deniability: The FDA frames it as “regulatory capture” or incompetence; the real goal is hidden in plain sight.
Global arbitrage: Aliens shift abductions to “clean” populations (e.g., rural India, Amazonian tribes), explaining why U.S. missing-persons cases don’t spike in patterns that match UFO hotspots.

Holes in the Theory (For Fun)Homeless paradox: If aliens avoid drugged-up Americans, why not target the 600,000+ homeless, who often lack access to Big Pharma meds and processed food? (Answer: maybe they do—and those cases are written off as overdoses.)
Elite self-preservation: Do congressmen and CEOs eat the same slop? (Private organic farms, anyone?)
Alien adaptability: A species that crosses light-years probably has detox nanites or CRISPR’d digestive tracts. Our chemicals might just be “spicy.”

The Dark Punchline If Congress’s 2023–2025 UAP hearings (Grusch, Fravor, Graves) confirm non-human biologics, and abductions aren’t for hybrid programs or curiosity… then yes, we might already be livestock. The FDA’s “approved” list reads less like negligence and more like a strategic contamination protocol—a slow-burn crop dust to keep the reapers at bay. The ultimate defense isn’t starships or nukes. It’s making humanity taste like a gas-station hot dog left under the heat lamp for 12 hours. Bon appétit, Zeta Reticulans—hope you like microplastics."

[Bill Ryan]

... a classic “hidden-in-plain-sight” conspiracy trope. I'd be quite interested to ask Grok a question to which we know the answer as a fact (maybe: "Do alien abductions of humans really occur?") — and see if it also responds in terms of a "conspiracy trope".

:)

[Ravenlocke]

I asked X if “aliens abduct humans”, and that brought the following, besides also bringing forward the David Jacob’s interview with Richard Dolan.

It brought up an X post about Jake Barber interview, see here,

https://x.com/AvirupM42/status/1961902605917151485

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Paul Stonehill also commented to the above X post as follows,

Paul Stonehill
@RussianUFOlogy
·
Aug 30
NHI really are not stupid. They choose not to keep abducted politicians.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dEUSdJau2ZQ

As for Barber, I personally do not take him seriously.

https://x.com/RussianUFOlogy/status/1962031539413500347

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X also brought up X posts about the “Collins Elite”.

Here’s a couple of X posts,

T R U T H P O L E
@Truthpolex
·
Sep 5
🚨 The Collins Elite - The Collins Elite is believed to a collective or a faction of high-ranking Pentagon and U.S Government officials who believe that UFO Phenomenon is Demonic & Occult in Nature or a Dmeonic Deception.

They reportedly believe that these entities are Fallen Angels or Supernatural Forces.

-Ninjas Are Butterflies

#Ufotwitter

https://x.com/Truthpolex/status/1963999256475222250

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Ian Broadmore
@IanBroadmore
·
Oct 29
Ritual tech. Occult gateways.
Jack Parsons didn’t summon gods—he opened doors
What came through wasn’t alien
It was ancient. Fallen. Masked.
The Collins Elite knew: this is spiritual warfare disguised as disclosure.
#CollinsElite #AlienDeception #FallenAngels #BlueBeam

https://x.com/IanBroadmore/status/1983489471766241305

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The Secrets of Old Money
@OldMoneySecret
·
Aug 6
Replying to
@OldMoneySecret
1. The Collins Bloodline Was Born in Secrecy, Not Wealth.

- Collins are said to arrive in England around 1600s, They came with occult knowledge & a mission to embed black magic into the heart of the New World before christanity took place.

- Their real rise began when they integrated into high society through strategic marriages and religious institutions.

- By the 1700s, they were already influencing politics. Their plan was not to rule, but to control those who RULED.

- They even initiated the Salem Witch Trials, not as victims, but as Judges, using it to eliminate rivals and spread fear while hiding their own deeper rituals

https://x.com/OldMoneySecret/status/1953074191189852615

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Jason Wilde
@JasonWilde108
·
May 27
They don’t want you to know this… but the so-called "aliens" aren’t all what they seem. According to a covert intelligence faction known as the Collins Elite, much of the modern UFO phenomenon is not extraterrestrial...it's spiritual deception. These aren't visitors from another star… they're entities from another dimension. And a shocking number of them line up with what every major religion has warned us about: demonic forces masquerading as saviors. This was the actual conclusion of a government group investigating UFOs...and they weren’t basing it on fantasy. They were looking at patterns, evidence, behavior, and outcomes.

Why would "aliens" shut down mid-abduction when someone calls on the name of Jesus? Why do these beings appear through walls, manipulate time, speak telepathically, and leave people psychologically shattered? The Collins Elite saw that many of these cases mirrored ancient accounts of possession or spiritual warfare...not scientific exploration. They studied cases where abductees reported ritual abuse, hybrid programs, and strange messages warning against faith or pushing New Age ideology. These weren’t peaceful galactic tourists. These were tricksters… parasites… deceivers...according to the Collins Elite.

Not all of these beings are malevolent. While many appear to be demonic in disguise, some encounters show contact with beings of immense love, calm, and light. These ones don’t deceive or traumatize...they heal, inspire, and protect. Are they angels? Higher intelligences? Ancient allies? The Elite didn’t agree. But they knew this: there are two camps. And the good ones...whoever they are...seem to oppose the agenda of the deceivers.

The war, then, isn’t humans vs aliens… it’s light vs shadow...and we’re caught in the middle. The Collins Elite believed that Earth is a battleground of consciousness. That the deceptive entities are trying to infiltrate human minds, culture, and beliefs under the guise of “contact.” Meanwhile, the benevolent ones operate quietly… subtly… gently nudging individuals toward integrity, awareness, and inner truth. And maybe that’s the point...the loud ones want control. The silent ones want growth.

The Collins Elite may have been fringe, but they weren’t stupid. They saw a cosmic drama hiding in plain sight...and now, so do you. Choose your side carefully.

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1. So is any of the above worth considering?

2. And has anyone heard of this Collins Elite?

Also the ones that consider Alien abductions as demonic also say the word “Jesus” is very powerful protection against abduction.

[Ravenlocke]

This is grok replying to my question, “Do aliens abduct humans”

I copy pasted its answer,


No, there is no credible scientific evidence that aliens abduct humans.Why the Claim PersistsAnecdotal Reports: Thousands of people worldwide claim to have been abducted by extraterrestrials, often describing similar details—bright lights, missing time, medical examinations, and small gray beings. These stories gained traction in the late 20th century through books like Communion (1987) by Whitley Strieber and high-profile cases like Betty and Barney Hill (1961).
Cultural Influence: Media (e.g., The X-Files, Close Encounters of the Third Kind) and support groups reinforce the narrative. Hypnosis sessions, where many "memories" surface, can create false recollections via suggestion (a phenomenon called confabulation).

Scientific ExplanationsSleep Paralysis: Up to 40% of people experience this at least once. It causes vivid hallucinations of intruders, pressure on the chest, and inability to move—matching many abduction descriptions. Studies (e.g., in Sleep Medicine Reviews, 2011) link it directly to "alien abduction" experiences.
Psychological Factors: Trauma, PTSD, fantasy-prone personalities, or substance use can produce hyper-realistic false memories. Harvard psychiatrist John Mack studied abductees but later acknowledged psychological origins in many cases.
Hoaxes and Misidentification: Some claims are deliberate fakes (e.g., for attention or profit). Others stem from misperceived events like military tests, drones, or medical procedures under anesthesia.
Lack of Physical Evidence: Despite millions of smartphones and surveillance cameras today, no verifiable photos, implants, or DNA from abductions exist. Alleged "implants" tested (e.g., by MIT in 1990s) were terrestrial materials like glass fibers.

The Broader ContextSETI and Astronomy: Decades of searching (e.g., via radio telescopes) have found no signs of intelligent alien life contacting Earth. The Fermi Paradox asks where is everybody?—but abductions would imply they're here and hiding poorly.
Government Investigations: Projects like the U.S. Air Force's Project Blue Book (1952–1969) and the Pentagon's AARO reports (2021–present) examined UFOs/UAPs. They attribute most to mundane causes; none confirm abductions or alien craft.

In short, while the idea is fascinating and fun to explore in fiction, it's unsupported by evidence and better explained by human biology and psychology. If aliens are visiting, they're not in the business of midnight kidnappings.

Explain the Fermi Paradox

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[Ravenlocke]

Grok do alien abductions of humans really occur?

No, alien abductions of humans do not really occur. There is zero credible, verifiable evidence that extraterrestrials have ever abducted a human being.Hard Evidence: None ExistsNo physical proof: No confirmed alien implants, spacecraft debris, or biological samples have ever passed scientific scrutiny. Objects claimed as "implants" (e.g., analyzed by NIDS in the 1990s or MIT) were mundane—glass, metal, or dental fillings.
No video or photos: In an era of billions of smartphones, no clear, unambiguous footage of an abduction exists. All alleged videos are blurry, hoaxed, or explainable (drones, CGI, etc.).
No consistent witness corroboration: Multiple-witness cases (e.g., Travis Walton, 1975) collapse under scrutiny—witnesses change stories, fail polygraphs, or admit fabrication.

What Does Explain the PhenomenonClaimed Abduction Feature
Scientific Explanation
Missing time
Memory gaps from stress, intoxication, or sleep disorders
Paralysis + hallucinations
Sleep paralysis (affects 8–50% of people; causes realistic "intruder" visions)
Medical exams / probes
False memories from hypnosis or trauma; similar to OB-GYN exam recollections under suggestion
Gray beings with large eyes
Universal brain pattern in hallucinations (large eyes = threat detection bias)

Hypnosis is unreliable: 80–90% of abduction "memories" emerge only under hypnosis, which is known to create confabulations (false memories). The American Psychological Association warns against its use in memory recovery.
Psychiatric studies: Research in Psychological Medicine (2002) and Journal of Abnormal Psychology found abductees score high on fantasy-proneness, schizotypy, and suggestibility—but not psychosis.

Famous Cases DebunkedBetty & Barney Hill (1961): "Star map" matched no known system; later shown to match a 1960s classroom poster. Hypnosis tapes reveal leading questions.
Travis Walton (1975): Failed polygraph; crew had financial motive (movie deal). Replicated in lab via suggestion.
Pascagoula (1973): Witnesses admitted possible hoax; one later said it was a "vision."

Bottom LineAlien abduction is a modern myth—a mix of sleep paralysis, cultural memes, psychological vulnerability, and occasional fraud. It’s psychologically real to experiencers, but objectively fictitious.If aliens were abducting millions (as claimed), we’d have mountains of evidence. We have none.

Debunk Travis Walton case

Fermi Paradox explained

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[Bill Ryan]

No, there is no credible scientific evidence that aliens abduct humans.

No, alien abductions of humans do not really occur.

Well, so much for Grok.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

It's a perfect case study of how AI, 'trained' on mainstream internet data, will only ever give mainstream answers — no matter how 'intelligent' it is.

:focus:

[samsdice]

As regards the Dr Jacobs' Dolan interview, it was suggested that the Aliens are, despite being highly advanced, secretive, suggesting they might have a weakness preventing them from just taking over the world in a flash. My take on this is mankind's propensity for war and weapons of mass destruction, in particular, nukes, preventing an immediate invasion. Hence their interest in nuclear sites etc. So it's infiltration rather than invasion as Dr. Jacobs states. If push came to shove and there was a war with Aliens I'm sure such weapons would be used but, of course, that would affect the entire, global biosphere. No one involved in the current Disclosure round talks directly about this, only in vague terms.

[Bill Ryan]

As regards the Dr Jacobs' Dolan interview, it was suggested that the Aliens are, despite being highly advanced, secretive, suggesting they might have a weakness preventing them from just taking over the world in a flash. My take on this is mankind's propensity for war and weapons of mass destruction, in particular, nukes, preventing an immediate invasion. Hence their interest in nuclear sites etc. So it's infiltration rather than invasion as Dr. Jacobs states. If push came to shove and there was a war with Aliens I'm sure such weapons would be used but, of course, that would affect the entire, global biosphere. No one involved in the current Disclosure round talks directly about this, only in vague terms.Yes, I think this was the one thing David Jacobs was quite incorrect about. Secrecy is a core aspect of all military strategy. Sun Tsu wrote frequently about the advantages of secrecy and deception.

You can also see this everywhere in the animal kingdom. When a lion or a cheetah silently and 'secretly' stalks a deer, it's not because of any weakness. It's simply because to show itself openly would reduce its chances of success in its goal.