Amazing Crop Circle appears 1991/Germany and 3 discs found underneath.....

[Seabreeze]

Hey ,

did you ever hear of the crop circles in Grasdorf 1991/Germany and what they found underneath it? Very amazing. This defenitly was not human made and the greatest discovery ever in the crop circle history.

They found 3 Metalldiscs underneath with the crop circle above picture on it. One was out of pure gold..more pure than ever seen on earth. The second one was pure silver more pure than common also. The third one was out of real bronze. All was worth a lot.

They found out the discs been in the ground for a very long time. When the crop circle appeared in 1991 the found them underneath.

How come this never was on the news big? The try to hide this too.

Nobody so far can explain this. This is defenitly a very meaningful message from far away.

Look here :



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kCEge4jGg



http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/images/Slide27.jpg

[Seabreeze]

maybe the crop circle was made like this? :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJvVW8s_Oc

could be.....

I know this is old stuff, but very interesting. That`s why I posted it here ;)

[Seabreeze]

And another amazing disc was also found in Germany in 1999. 3600 years old showing the pleiades star system....

It is called the oldes star map ever discovered....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkw_BiC9wQE

:thumbsup:

[Seabreeze]

This is so important - please spread the message :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vr_xjyk9tw

http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/say/t2981.gif

[greybeard]

Its a question of timing.
Did the circles appear for sure before the discs were found?
If so whatever did the circles knew of the disc image and existence.
Therefore no terrestrial human hand involved in constructing the circles.
Interesting subject.
Haven't had time yet to watch the videos
Thanks
Chris
Ps why I ask for sure in spite of the statement that they were found after the circle was made, is that facts can be distorted by media or agenda.
Ch

[Sunny-side-up]

Very interesting.


http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?5,858573,858776


" The three plates were silver, gold, and bronze. The plates were tested and found to be 99.9% pure silver and gold. The bronze plate was a sophisticated alloy. This whole incident was not that long ago (1991). Well after the 70's period that Doug and Doug were evidently creating cirlces. Here's the AMAZING part. The plates were cast with the exact same pattern that was created in the crop cirlce. If this was a hoax it was a very expensive and extensively planned one"

[greybeard]

Having now watched the videos--Im convinced that the narrative in the videos and the findings are genuine.
Chrsi

[Valerie Villars]

This is so important - please spread the message :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vr_xjyk9tw

http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/say/t2981.gif

Whisper, while I found all the videos thought provoking, the last was a real mind blower. Thanks. :)

[boja]

1st video originally published on Youtube in 2012
3rd video originally published on Youtube in 2009.

I would suggest consulting Colin Andrews at colinandrews.net

He was one of the original Crop Circle investigators since the 1970s,
and it was he who coined the phrase "Crop Circles".

[Sunny-side-up]

This is so important - please spread the message :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vr_xjyk9tw

http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/say/t2981.gif

Whisper, while I found all the videos thought provoking, the last was a real mind blower. Thanks. :)

Yes truly amazing isn't it Valerie and all :sun:

[Ernie Nemeth]

The squaring of the circle is the mystery of life. The squaring is the capture of eternity by the finite. The eternal can seem to fall but the finite cannot in any sense rise above. The circle must first be unsquared to do that.

It has been another year since I last worked on these patterns. I was told there would be some down-time between courses. I wonder when I will continue. It is fascinating work with many marvelous revelations. It seems that these patterns induce certain mindsets or gestalts that allow further comprehension. I sort of get how the brain can be entrained and this entrainment can be used to augment learning. You learn to set up and hold certain standing wave fronts that may resemble these fundamental patterns. From those patterns new and wonderful knowledge can be gleaned. I use that odd word because the knowledge is not linear and employs a different type of logic that in some ways is contradictory to our standard default setting. It cannot be explained. It can only be experienced.

It is the experience that is the knowledge, the knowledge of which leads to more experience, and so on.

[Seabreeze]

sorry, I could not find any more detailed videos about the crop Circle where they found underneath those important discs. There are some, but only in german. I have german roots and speak german - so no problem for me. :sherlock:


I did watch a interview about the discs and the man who owns it now. He had it check severall times at labatories. They found out the plates been a long time in the ground buried. Way before the crop circle appeared there.

And they are made out of such a pure gold or silver which does not exist on earth.

Here you can read about it :

Dr Roemer-Blum, arranged a scientific evaluation at the German Federal Institute for Material Research (Bundesanstalt fur Materialpufung) in Berlin. Their conclusion, after carefully analyzing both plates was:

“Plate one (silver color) consisted mainly of quite pure silver (what an understatement!), with an additional ingredient accounting for less than 0.1%. The weight of the plate was 4.98kg (11lbs). Plate two (bronze color) consisted of a copper-tin alloy (of which the tin content amounted to 10%-15%), nickel and traces of iron amounting to less than 0.1%”.

This meant that the silver plate consisted of 99.9% pure silver, purer than sterling-silver. Furthermore, a spectrographic analysis of both plates proved that they had not been made from a cast but from some kind of conglomerate of silver nuggets and natural copper and tin pieces of the type found in Germany’s Harz forest, not far from Grasdorf. They had been produced, either by heating up to a degree that partially melted the metals – or in a low-gravity environment.

It is further mentioned of the gold plate, of the finest quality that had been seen by the examiner. The industrialist received about 25,000 Euros for the bronze and silver plate and the gold was worth at least 75,000 Euros.


I hope this will answer some of your questions. http://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/alien/h01160.gif

this is interesting too.....

Actually, the location of the pictogram is archaeologically significant: it lies at the foot of the Thieberg, a Thing or ancient Teutonic tribal parliament site, possibly on top of a prehistoric processional path. In the immediate vicinity is the Wuldenberg, an ancient Germanic Wotan sacred site on which a church was erected under Charlemagne, and the Holy Grove (Heilige Holz) of the Teutons, which was fought over right into the Middle Ages. When a feudal lord gave the order to fell this sacred wood in 1273, he was murdered by the people of Grasdorf: a small civil war was the result, and the wood stayed untouched until the 19th century. So this very ancient Saxon heartland, christianed no earlier than the 9th century as a result of the victory of Charlemagne over the Saxons, had been sacred for at least 4,000 years. Dr Nowothnig, an archaeologist from Hannover, described the neighbourhood as “one of the most significant prehistoric cult areas of Europe”…”

http://mmmgroup2.altervista.org/01.jpg

[RedX]

We all know some crop circles have been man-made, but that is a different topic than what I think OP is trying to convey. For some transparency, I had written off crop circles years ago, but the last video was very intriguing and has me asking questions again.

Questions like: For what purpose and to what end? Why are "they" using this medium to send important messages? Surely an advanced civilization can come up with a better instrument to chat with us. Maybe this is just one way of several ways?

For those wanting a bit of science behind the circles. Check out this video.

8RH_MD6qMt4

[Valerie Villars]

The best I have been able to come up with is that the symbols resonate with something embedded in us. Something ancient, deep, profound and beyond words. They are there to awaken something in us on a very deep level. Words, as such, would scramble the message.

[Seabreeze]

We still don't understand the messages of the most crop circles. Hopefully one day we will.

And then, we don*t know anything so far about the sender. How far away they are and what kind of possibilities they have to contact us? Maybe this is the only way it is possible for them? Could be. And they might have a totally different way of thinking than we do.

Very amazing I find the crop circles which appeared, answering the Arecibo message, send out by us. They could read it and did answer. And we could translate it. This is something totally different and maybe soon some more like this coming up? Lets hope so.

I believe there are many civilizations out there. It is a big universe..... and many new worlds to discover....

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2003/et-2003-05a/image020.jpg


http://proofofalien.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Decode-The-Chilbolton-Crop-Circles-Alien-Messages.jpg



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[onawah]

We've had some good threads on crop circles in the past but it's good to have a current one again
Some older threads:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30645-Alien-artifacts-discovered-underneath-crop-circles&highlight=crop+circles
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28678-Scientific-Studies-Confirm-Crop-Circles-Are-Made-by-Balls-of-Light--&highlight=crop+circles
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1457-Crop-Circles-2010&highlight=crop+circles
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25983-new-cropcircle-East-Kennett-22-July-2011&highlight=crop+circles

[Sunny-side-up]

We all know some crop circles have been man-made, but that is a different topic than what I think OP is trying to convey. For some transparency, I had written off crop circles years ago, but the last video was very intriguing and has me asking questions again.

Questions like: For what purpose and to what end? Why are "they" using this medium to send important messages? Surely an advanced civilization can come up with a better instrument to chat with us. Maybe this is just one way of several ways?

For those wanting a bit of science behind the circles. Check out this video.

8RH_MD6qMt4

Just about the best Crop Circle vid iv'e seen, thx for that RedX :sun:

[ripple]

Go to Metabunk and wade through the thorough discussion about this incident. I think that based on its exact details, the chances of it being a hoax are greater than 99.99%. Given the part played by an eccentric artist named Moschkote Litfax, it is clear who the leading hoaxer was.

As with so many of these types of incident they dissolve very quickly once the full narrative is established and then critically examined.

https://metabunk.org/the-grasdorf-plates.t739

[Seabreeze]

It can't be a hoax - what so ever. We have to go by the fact's. The man named by ripple "Moschkote Litfax" is an artist, who lives in the area where the crop circle appeared. He did see it himself and makes his own investigation about the circle and the found discs. He know's the man who bought them.

The discs been analyst in 2 labatories so far and they never seen anything like this before. The silver disc is about a 1.000 pure silver....sterling silver has 999....... And as more pure silver is, it gets more soft and easy to bend. But the silver disc found underneath the crop circle, which is made out of pure silver is not soft at all...... Nobody in both labatories did ever seen something similar like this. The structur of the material, looking at it through a microscope, was something new for them.

The back of the disc's are surprising too. You can see here, this was not melted and put in a form, like it is usually done. Nobody can tell how those discs been actually made.

HOw long been the discs buried in the ground? The scientist don't know exactly, but give a time frame between 300 - 3000 years.

[Seabreeze]

This is the interview I was watching. If you speak german you can listen and watch it yourself. Maybe someone can put english subtitels to it? I don't know how to do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc6cCPTbvyM (german version only)

Dr. Joh. Roemer-Blum u. Moschkote Litfas - Kornkreise und ihre Bedeutung 1 (Alpenparlament.TV)


The crop circle which appeared above the discs, was checked also by many scientist and crop circle specialists and named "not man made"....

It was an autenthic crop circle which had the typical signs, only "not human made" crop circles show........for example, no broken plants, the radiation of the area aso......

FYI ;)

[ripple]

Whisper , just take the time to wade through the very detailed research results contained in the Metabunk discussion . They close further sensible discussion , imho.
Regardless , the very top line incident happenings make you smile -- would super intelligent life forms really behave in that speculated fashion . It defies anything sensible , practical and efficient .
But it does make a moderately amusing hoax .

[Seabreeze]

hello ripple,

thanks for the information. I did check it out.

I must say, I believe this can't be human made, out of severall reasons. I did my own research some years ago already about this case. There are to many facts, nobody can explain for example about the silver disc.....

Everything made out of earth silver in a high %...would be soft and easy to bend...like for example sterling silver (925).

But in this case the structur of this silver (1000) disc is diffrent, the silver pure but stone hard.........which nobody can explain.......

Very important here is the structur of the metall, which is only to see through the microsope. Like I wrote before....it was checked twice by 2 diffrent labatories...with the same results. Nobody in both labatories seen anything similar like this before....talking about the structur of the discs. Both discs checked, Silver & Bronze had those unknow structures which been new to the labatory workers.

Nobody can explain how those discs been made also...without melting the metall and putting it into a form....... (look at the back side of the disc)

The artist you named before, was the one who had the lab check up of the discs made in order of the owner. The owner wants to stay anonymous because there was a group of people who wanted to steal those discs. They even did break into houses, because they thought the discs are inside.

In the video I posted you can see the original Silver and Bronze disc.....

I can not tell how a more advanced life form communicates. They might have a total diffrent thinking which we don*t understand yet.

But I believe...this was made out of some high importance. I hope one day we will understand the meaning of it.

The whole case is not new to me. I know this long time alreadyI did post it, for those who did not hear about it yet. :idea:

[conk]

maybe the crop circle was made like this? :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJvVW8s_Oc

could be.....

I know this is old stuff, but very interesting. That`s why I posted it here ;)Someone came forward and took credit for this hoax. A video company made it as an example of their capabilities. Then of course we have to ask, is the hoax a hoax? To hide what could be a real event? No way to know conclusively.

One other anomaly that the lady did not address(video, Why Crop Circles Are Not Man Made) is that of particle distribution in the ground. Metal particles are randomly distributed in normal soil, but inside crop circles the distribution is patterned and anything but random.

[Seabreeze]

Those light balls do actually exist. There was an incident at a nuclear facility some years ago in Germany. It was on the news then. The security web cam did catch it also. I remember they did shut down the facility for a while, when those light balls (UFO`s) appeared out of security reasons. Being in Germany at that time, I did see and hear it on the news media TV/Radio/Newspaper then.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1InOmVSn9IQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63sgHLJreM

To call it a hoax later on........is proably just a try to hide the event, like in many other cases also. :smow:

[ripple]

It is very dangerous , Whisper , to jump from one assertion ----- " ----- Which nobody can explain --- " ( and who exactly is 'nobody ' ? ) and then use that to infer a giant conclusion ( the Aliens are here ) which is without any logical link back to the statement . An abuse of good discussion ..
More interesting , imho , is to look at Uncle Clif's premise in his latest video which contends that the most significant fact about the million abductions that occur ( each year? ) , is the fact that they are virtually unreported in the MSM and any attempt to even introduce the subject is immediately ridiculed .Trashed .
Mister High likens this to several serious car crashes in your neighbourhood week after week but this matter being completely under-reported let alone discussed .Namely , there is a war of sorts being waged with victims all over the planet but ' nobody' is informed and the MSM keeps silent except for an occasional story for comical effect --- little green or grey chaps doing naughty things in their mother ships etc .
I am only the messenger and only prepared to raise the matter because imho Clif High is the cleverest guy I have ever come across on the Internet and by some distance -- both in his breadth of knowledge and its details ,and in the depth of his commentaries . Estimated IQ 180 . -- my guess .
Of course that in itself does not give him an exclusive path to truth and wisdom .I listen and respect but keep my own counsel . But his basic point is an interesting one and even my limited knowledge of abduction events and testimonies shows me that there is 99% more hard information to digest and work on in this area than we have so far seen from the area of Crop Circle analysis .

[Seabreeze]

hey ripple,

I wrote : Nobody can explain how those discs been made also...without melting the metal and putting it into a form....... (look at the back side of the disc)....... ....a gold smith was asked in this case and he could not say how to create a disc like this......(it was said in the german video above)

nothing wrong with this. This is fact so far.

And I am not jumping here and there. I would say - YOU DO - !! This is not a Thread about ET abductions either. If you like to talk about abductions, you might should start your own thread with this subject.

Or maybe you start a thread about what Clif High has to say? You say, you are a messenger....than you should make up your own threads, is my opinion. I am sure who is interested into your subjects will pay attention to it.

This thread is about crop circles and the evidence found here and facts about it.
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earth is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil - because of those who watch and do nothing against it!!! A.E. :thumbsup:

[greybeard]

No need to fall out.
This is, at least partly, a conspiracy theory web site, so no matter what the subject you will get those who agree and those who want to debunk.

I believe what you have posted Whisper is in good faith and probably true.

Chris

[Seabreeze]

http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/say/t2905.gif Chris....

[ripple]

No need to fall out.
This is, at least partly, a conspiracy theory web site, so no matter what the subject you will get those who agree and those who want to debunk.

I believe what you have posted Whisper is in good faith and probably true.

Chris

Exactly , Chris .
But by the same token I believe the "German " story to be tosh of the highest order with clear and detailed hard evidence and testimony to support my humble opinion .

[greybeard]

One can always find "evidence" to support or demolish a post.
Regardless there are a lot of crop circles that pass the test and a lot that dont
Those that dont, do not devalue the ones that are genuine.
My way of dealing with any paradox --discrepancies in the evidence, is the thought "May be so"
Agencies have an agenda to discredit stories like this.

Chris

[greybeard]

Whisper you may want to have a look at this
Chris
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1265365&viewfull=1#post1265365

[ripple]

One can always find "evidence" to support or demolish a post.
Regardless there are a lot of crop circles that pass the test and a lot that dont
Those that dont, do not devalue the ones that are genuine.
My way of dealing with any paradox --discrepancies in the evidence, is the thought "May be so"
Agencies have an agenda to discredit stories like this.

Chris


I cannot easily accept that , Chris .
I have seen more circles than I ever wanted to see -- in hindsight . And I am still awaiting one which suggests non terrestrial authorship . That is , where there is hard evidence which makes such a conclusion 95%+ probable and , better still , is just one of many such occurrences .
And I also cannot understand your comment about agencies having agendas which scientifically try to discredit stories . Either stories are supported scientifically , or they are not . Agencies might troll, ridicule and confuse matters etc . But however hard they try , they cannot twist 'hard ' evidence , if it really exists .

[greybeard]

Ripple you can believe or disbelieve as you wish.
A lot of evidence that some crop circles are man made and some are quite different in the texture of the wheat being affected and weaved.
It could be claimed that all circles are man made--some using advanced human technology.
Its not really my subject.
All humans have an agenda--science is not the exact science that we are led to believe--it changes evolves.
Truth is constant unchanging.

Chris

[ripple]

Truth is constant unchanging.

Chris

Thanks you have restated my very point , Chris . All that you have added is the accepted caveat that a theory is only the 'truth ' until a new set of results from alternative hypotheses forces amendments or the need to restate a basic position .
But all of that is entirely different from presenting a hypothesis on nothing but feeling and misrepresentations of scientific method . Which was and remains a basic position .

[Seabreeze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RH_MD6qMt4