Awesome Motivational Speech

[Mike]

This gave me goosebumps. Arnold kills it. It's only 12 minutes long. Watch it.

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This is the 30 minute version without the music track.


Arnold Schwarzenegger 2018 - The speech that broke the internet - Most inspiring ever
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[Mike]

Ah, perfect. Thanks Paula!:heart:

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I admire his focus and determination, but when he says he would "do anything" to become a movie star in Hollywood, or a politician, I don't want to know what that means.

[5th]

Well, in some ways this may be a good attitude but really this is part of the way the Powers That Be condition us to believe in scarcity, that life is hard and that we need to work like slaves to get anywhere and be successful. In truth, we live in an abundant world with more than enough of everything for everyone and with a change in belief system and working smart rather than hard we can be successful AND have time to smell the roses.

Why do we need to be Mr Universe in the first place? If everyone worked as hard as he did there would still only be one Mr Universe and a billion disappointed losers. I'd rather be fit and happy and have a varied and interesting life of freedom...

[ripple]

And here is another warm and wise speech but this time from our favourite lady and Adolf's very own daughter :-

“Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
No this wasn’t something Adolf Hitler said many decades ago, this is what German Chancellor Angela Merkel told attendants at an event by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Berlin. Merkel has announced she won’t seek re-election in 2021 and it is clear she is attempting to push the globalist agenda to its disturbing conclusion before she stands down.
Extract source , Zero Hedge, Berlin , December 1944. Yesterday .

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Arnold Schwarzenegger article (https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/arnold-schwarzeneggers-6-rules-for-success.html)

I have always lived and competed by my own rules. I was told "you can't" over and over again as I chased ambitious goals in bodybuilding, in movies, and in public politics. I faced doubt and distractions, and I managed to shove them out of my way.

People often ask, "How did you do it? How did a non-native speaker become a world champion bodybuilder, an action star, and the governor of the great state of California?" The answer is simple: I obeyed these six rules, and I succeeded. I believed I could accomplish my goals and I fought to prove wrong anyone who told me I couldn’t.

Like many of my fellow bodybuilders, I broke many of society's set rules for success and conduct. I did things no other men have. I worked harder than others. And now that I have done so much, I am focused on giving back to the world that has given me so much.

Follow these rules and success will follow you.

1 TRUST YOURSELF

You've got to have a vision of what you—not your mother or father—want to do. I knew when I was a kid that I wanted to be a world champion in bodybuilding. I wanted to be the greatest bodybuilder—not just win one competition, but be the greatest bodybuilder of all time.

My parents wanted a different vision for me. They wanted me to be a police officer like my father, to marry a girl named Heidi, and to have a bunch of children, like the von Trapp family in "The Sound of Music." I wanted to get out of Austria, to come to America, to be a champion. I had total trust and confidence in that decision and I went after it. Have trust in yourself, craft your own vision, and go after it. Once you have a strong enough vision, you can work like hell to achieve it.

2 BREAK SOME RULES

Franco Columbu stood 5-foot-5. Everyone told him he would never be a world champion. The rules said that only tall and big guys win Mr. Universe, Mr. Olympia, and all the big titles. But Franco broke the rules. He became the monster slayer. He won the Mr. Universe three times. He won Mr. World. He even won the Olympia twice!

I did the same thing. People said I could not become an actor. The rules said that actors with accents could not be leading men. I broke that rule. I didn't care if no one in history had ever done it. I took acting classes, accent-removal lessons, and English lessons. I worked hard, and I became a leading man.

3 DON'T BE AFRAID TO FAIL

When you fail, you can always get back up. You have to take risks. Without taking risks, you can never break a record. If you have a 400-pound bench press and want to bench 420, but you are afraid to fail, then you'll never even try the 420. Relax! Don't be afraid.

A failure is someone who falls and never gets back up. A winner falls, gets up, dusts himself off, and keeps moving. Don't be afraid to fail! Everyone around the world fails. Don't be afraid to attack that goal.

4 IGNORE THE NAYSAYERS

If I had listened to these people, I would still be in Austria, up in the Alps, yodeling. When I was 15 years old and told people I wanted to be a champion bodybuilder, right away they told me it wouldn't happen. "It's impossible," they said. "It's an American sport. In Austria, you can be a ski, cycling, or maybe track and field champion, but you cannot be a bodybuilding champion."

You know something? I didn't listen to them. I moved to America. I became a bodybuilding champion. The rest is history.

When I ran for governor of California, they said, "No, you can't. You have to first run for mayor, city council, state senator, and then maybe for governor." I said to hell with all that. I felt passionate about public service and giving something back. I wanted to run for governor, I ran, and two months later I was governor.

5 WORK LIKE HELL

I hate when people say, "I don't have enough time to work out." That's crazy to me. You have 24 hours in a day. Sleep six hours, and you have 18 hours left. Do your job, which probably takes 8-10 hours, and you have at least 10 hours left. You're telling me you can't work out in that time?

Read a book, pay attention to your family, spend time with your friends, and save 30-45 minutes to work out every day. That's a minimum! I promise you can find or make the time.

A day lasts 24 hours, so don't limit your working hours to certain portions of it. Work like hell. Work your butt off. No one has ever been successful without working hard. There are no shortcuts. Work like hell and you're going to make it.

6 GIVE SOMETHING BACK

We are not where we are today without any help. We all get help along the way. We've never done it by ourselves. Everything I have done—show business, politics, money I made, success in business and bodybuilding, my foundation, environmental organizations—it's always with a lot of help from a lot of people.

Since they helped me, I should now help others! This is why I have after-school programs, why I help with Special Olympics, and why I care about environmental issues. I want to clean up the environment and create a green-energy future so our world is a better place than when we inherited it.

We have to help people. There are millions of children who need help, who come from families that don't have enough money or don't read well. Help them learn to read! Encourage people to exercise! Join an organization where you can give a kid a hug, hang a medal around their neck and say, "You're a winner! We believe in you. We love you. We care for you.”

Do something for your community, your state, your country. Give something back.

[Mike]

I admire his focus and determination, but when he says he would "do anything" to become a movie star in Hollywood, or a politician, I don't want to know what that means.



I didn't read anything nefarious into that comment. It's just a manner of speaking...a way of saying he was prepared to do all the work necessary, even the not so fun stuff to get where he wanted to be. I can't count how many times I've heard someone say they'd "do anything" to attain a goal..and I didn't need them to qualify that statement to know that they didn't mean they'd trip old ladies or kidnap young kids to get there;). It's just an expression my friend

In our community here, politicians and movie stars are almost universally regarded with suspicion. And words like "success" and "money" are a little taboo. Combine all that and it's bound to get the conspiracy gears going, I guess. But don't let all that blind you from the msg here!

[Mike]

Well, in some ways this may be a good attitude but really this is part of the way the Powers That Be condition us to believe in scarcity, that life is hard and that we need to work like slaves to get anywhere and be successful. In truth, we live in an abundant world with more than enough of everything for everyone and with a change in belief system and working smart rather than hard we can be successful AND have time to smell the roses.

Why do we need to be Mr Universe in the first place? If everyone worked as hard as he did there would still only be one Mr Universe and a billion disappointed losers. I'd rather be fit and happy and have a varied and interesting life of freedom...



The whole point of the speech is that it doesn't really feel like work if you're setting goals to attain things you're passionate about.

He had his day organized down to the minute. The guy didn't waste a minute:) He *was* working smarter. But any goal worth attaining is also going to require a supreme effort.

Life is hard. My experience tells me that, not any kind of conditioning.

The video isn't about weight lifting. That's just a metaphor for whatever dream one might have. This attitude you describe of "why even try?" is crippling. It's comes from a fear of failure mindset. Arnold talks about failing, how it's inevitable, and how it's actually okay so long as it doesn't stop you. The journey isn't over for all those "disappointed losers" you describe if they dust themselves off and keep going.

[RunningDeer]

In our community here, politicians and movie stars are almost universally regarded with suspicion. And words like "success" and "money" are little taboo. Combine all that and it's bound to get the conspiracy gears going, I guess. But don't let all that blind you from the msg here!

Yes, Mike, thank you for pointing this out. It's hard to carry on a conversation when everything gets reduced to a conspiracy. Or the overall message or intention is lost because one sentence, one idea gets dissected. There are times people are so busy being clever, they forget there's a time and a place.

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Simply take what works and leave the rest.

[Mike]

In our community here, politicians and movie stars are almost universally regarded with suspicion. And words like "success" and "money" are little taboo. Combine all that and it's bound to get the conspiracy gears going, I guess. But don't let all that blind you from the msg here!

Yes, Mike, thank you for pointing this out. It's hard to carry on a conversation when everything gets reduced to a conspiracy. Or the overall message or intention is lost because one sentence, one idea gets dissected. There are times people are so busy being clever, they forget there's a time and a place.

https://i.imgur.com/kDShPyp.gif

Simply take what works and leave the rest.



Omg, brilliantly said. Thank you for this!

That's what I was trying to say.

[5th]

The whole point of the speech is that it doesn't really feel like work if you're setting goals to attain things you're passionate about.

He had his day organized down to the minute. The guy didn't waste a minute:) He *was* working smarter. But any goal worth attaining is also going to require a supreme effort.

Life is hard. My experience tells me that, not any kind of conditioning.




Yes, I agree it shouldn't feel like work if you are doing something you are interested in and I said that in some ways it was a good attitude. But the concept 'the guy didn't waste a minute' sounds good but is ridiculous in practice. We should all waste hours every day in play and daydreaming - not dedicate all our waking hours to achieve some goal that this silly society says is worthwhile. That's being a brainwashed slave and not the purpose of our life on this planet.

'He had his day organized down to the minute.' Just like a machine...

As for life being hard, that's just the result of a belief system and conditioning. Life can be very easy and everything can fall into one's lap with almost no effort at all. 'Life' is neutral and whether it is hard or easy is only a result of how we approach it (talking about average people in average circumstances). Do you really believe that life would be hard if we had a perfect childhood and were fully evolved beings?

As for your 'experience' that depends on you - it is a personal thing and not the same for everybody since we literally create our own reality. Even on an ordinary level it is well known that two people can be in the same situation and one find it pleasant and the other awful.

[Mike]

The whole point of the speech is that it doesn't really feel like work if you're setting goals to attain things you're passionate about.

He had his day organized down to the minute. The guy didn't waste a minute:) He *was* working smarter. But any goal worth attaining is also going to require a supreme effort.

Life is hard. My experience tells me that, not any kind of conditioning.




Yes, I agree it shouldn't feel like work if you are doing something you are interested in and I said that in some ways it was a good attitude. But the concept 'the guy didn't waste a minute' sounds good but is ridiculous in practice. We should all waste hours every day in play and daydreaming - not dedicate all our waking hours to achieve some goal that this silly society says is worthwhile. That's being a brainwashed slave and not the purpose of our life on this planet.

'He had his day organized down to the minute.' Just like a machine...

As for life being hard, that's just the result of a belief system and conditioning. Life can be very easy and everything can fall into one's lap with almost no effort at all. 'Life' is neutral and whether it is hard or easy is only a result of how we approach it (talking about average people in average circumstances). Do you really believe that life would be hard if we had a perfect childhood and were fully evolved beings?

As for your 'experience' that depends on you - it is a personal thing and not the same for everybody since we literally create our own reality. Even on an ordinary level it is well known that two people can be in the same situation and one find it pleasant and the other awful.



What makes you think his goals had anything to do with what society expected of him? Because he wasn't staring at flowers all day?

Look I like time to frolic too. There's certainly a time and a place for daydreaming and so forth. But if you're not careful you may daydream your life away.

I don't expect everyone to be as hyper-focused as Arnold. But for anyone who is interested in goal setting to achieve their dreams, I'd say watching this speech is a good place to start.

Generally, people who think that the things they desire in life will miraculously fall into their lap with little effort, have empty laps. I do think visualisation exercises and a certain degree of trust in the universe are also pretty important, but there's also the follow thru end of things

If you want to be a cross country track star, for example, you have to get out there and run; if you want to be an actor, you have to go take the classes; if you want to be an accountant, you have to go to school and study hard. You know, work.

If you want to replace the word work with effort, i'd be happy to do it. If you're enjoying the journey to your dreams, it won't feel like work so much. But even on your way to your dreams, there will be some work. One has to make a living...so the aspiring actor has to wait tables, for example. Arnold did construction while he was on the way up...i doubt he enjoyed that. And so forth.

[greybeard]

Positive thinking is just about removing --letting go of obstacles that "seem" to stand in the way of success.
Basically get out of your mindset , have fun, enjoy the moment.
Chris

[5th]

What makes you think his goals had anything to do with what society expected of him? Because he wasn't staring at flowers all day?


If you want to replace the word work with effort, i'd be happy to do it. If you're enjoying the journey to your dreams, it won't feel like work so much. But even on your way to your dreams, there will be some work. One has to make a living...so the aspiring actor has to wait tables, for example. Arnold did construction while he was on the way up...i doubt he enjoyed that. And so forth.


I can 100% guarantee that anyone who dedicates his life to becoming Mr Universe is doing so driven by some demon or other. What a stupid and vain thing to want to be the most muscled man in the world.

Yes, of course 'there will be some work', I was never disputing that. What I was disputing is that there should never be a wasted minute and your day should be planned down to the last detail dedicated entirely to achieving your goal. Good for him and anyone that does it but I wouldn't recommend it as a rational life style to be adopted by anyone who wants to be successful. It's an insane extreme and a fine example of 'The American Dream' - a system to create slaves.

But as I've already said, the basic principle is OK but I disagree that to take it to such a driven extreme is a good thing for anyone.

Whatever, that's my last comment!

[DeDukshyn]

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Why do we need to be Mr Universe in the first place? If everyone worked as hard as he did there would still only be one Mr Universe and a billion disappointed losers. I'd rather be fit and happy and have a varied and interesting life of freedom...

Unfortunately ... someone has to be the best - in every facet of life ... someone out there is the best at something. Terrible, I know, but some have to carry this burden ... if only we could all be happy losers instead of sore losers, but those dang powers that be ... lol.

The powers that be are not responsible for making you happy, content and successful at what you do ... only the individual is responsible for that. And some people understand that ... like Arnold.

[Mike]

What makes you think his goals had anything to do with what society expected of him? Because he wasn't staring at flowers all day?


If you want to replace the word work with effort, i'd be happy to do it. If you're enjoying the journey to your dreams, it won't feel like work so much. But even on your way to your dreams, there will be some work. One has to make a living...so the aspiring actor has to wait tables, for example. Arnold did construction while he was on the way up...i doubt he enjoyed that. And so forth.


I can 100% guarantee that anyone who dedicates his life to becoming Mr Universe is doing so driven by some demon or other. What a stupid and vain thing to want to be the most muscled man in the world.

Yes, of course 'there will be some work', I was never disputing that. What I was disputing is that there should never be a wasted minute and your day should be planned down to the last detail dedicated entirely to achieving your goal. Good for him and anyone that does it but I wouldn't recommend it as a rational life style to be adopted by anyone who wants to be successful. It's an insane extreme and a fine example of 'The American Dream' - a system to create slaves.

But as I've already said, the basic principle is OK but I disagree that to take it to such a driven extreme is a good thing for anyone.

Whatever, that's my last comment!



if you think it's just about being the most muscled man in the world, you've missed the point entirely. adopting a discipline and embarking on a journey is an inherently spiritual thing..regardless of what you're doing.

the 'american dream' is mostly a bunch of half-dead people in cubicles, slowly dying as they run to stand still. Arnold did something entirely different. he made enough money in his first few movies to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life if he chose to; he wasn't obligated to do anything for anyone. hardly a slave.

there are some people in life that are very very driven, and dedicate every waking moment to their goals. it hardly makes them insane. if you disagree with that approach, cool..but i find your judgements telling

[Mike]

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Why do we need to be Mr Universe in the first place? If everyone worked as hard as he did there would still only be one Mr Universe and a billion disappointed losers. I'd rather be fit and happy and have a varied and interesting life of freedom...

Unfortunately ... someone has to be the best - in every facet of life ... someone out there is the best at something. Terrible, I know, but some have to carry this burden ... if only we could all be happy losers instead of sore losers, but those dang powers that be ... lol.

The powers that be are not responsible for making you happy, content and successful at what you do ... only the individual is responsible for that. And some people understand that ... like Arnold.


hey Duk that's important and I'm glad you brought it up.

there will always be hierarchies, and that's not such a bad thing!

if our teeth are bad, we certainly want to go to the best dentist. and if we're going to have open heart surgery, we definitely want the best surgeon.

i think we should be really glad that certain people are driven to be the best! we discourage this at our own peril imo

[Mike]

by the way, the speech appeals to me so much because i'm sort of a slug:) I haven't been a highly motivated person for a while now. I was once in my life, but i lost it.

so i'm not 'preaching from the pulpit' as they say...just in case i'm giving that impression.

[Mike]

And here is another warm and wise speech but this time from our favourite lady and Adolf's very own daughter :-

“Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
No this wasn’t something Adolf Hitler said many decades ago, this is what German Chancellor Angela Merkel told attendants at an event by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Berlin. Merkel has announced she won’t seek re-election in 2021 and it is clear she is attempting to push the globalist agenda to its disturbing conclusion before she stands down.
Extract source , Zero Hedge, Berlin , December 1944. Yesterday .



Right, what am I missing here?

How is this even remotely relevant dude?:bigsmile:

[DeDukshyn]

And here is another warm and wise speech but this time from our favourite lady and Adolf's very own daughter :-

“Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
No this wasn’t something Adolf Hitler said many decades ago, this is what German Chancellor Angela Merkel told attendants at an event by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Berlin. Merkel has announced she won’t seek re-election in 2021 and it is clear she is attempting to push the globalist agenda to its disturbing conclusion before she stands down.
Extract source , Zero Hedge, Berlin , December 1944. Yesterday .



Right, what am I missing here?

How is this even remotely relevant dude?:bigsmile:

Well, their accent is slightly similar ... maybe that's it?

[onawah]

From a different perspective, the kinds of goals that Arnie aspired to are typical of a certain soul age.
Not meaning to sound cryptic, but if you take a look at the Michael Teachings, which I have found to be quite credible even though they are a kind of channeled information, there are definite characteristics of different souls, depending on where they are in their evolution, such as Infant, Baby, Young, Mature, Old, and on into more cosmic levels.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html
(Since souls are essentially eternal, soul age is determined primarily by how long the soul has been incarnating into the particular paradigm he/she is currently evolving in.)
Mature souls tend to aspire more to worldly goals such as Arnie has than, for example, Old souls, who may be a bit world weary and much more interested in acquiring wisdom, compassion, etc. than fame or fortune.
But sometimes people who are that driven are actually workaholics, using work as a diversion from looking inward, and that can create a lot of problems with relationships (with self and others).
It's not an uncomplicated subject.

[lake]

From a different perspective, the kinds of goals that Arnie aspired to are typical of a certain soul age.
......>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But sometimes people who are that driven are actually workaholics, using work as a diversion from looking inward, and that can create a lot of problems with relationships (with self and others).
It's not an uncomplicated subject.

Interesting is it not?

I have a complete opposite consideration!

We are NOT all one and most are but shells.

This realm is a womb which gestates the, as yet not individualised, maybe's of an self awareness.

So such as Arnold...are nothing more than 'invitations' to repeat (thats hopeful *) this world.

* In truth I do not consider that you get to 'repeat' this world....I consider that you return to the 'pool' of potential unless YOU self construct via YOUR own consideration of YOU....BUT this consideration requires many aspects...such as empathy (which then removes a great part of the characters from this narrative).

Also this 'drama' is cyclical.

Round and round it goes but always on a spiral!
So you have a spiral of 'time' (for want of a better word....which moves forwards in technology) but you have a 'circle' of existence which portrays the exact same narrative to the 'actors' over and over....across aeons!

.......so no, I do not consider this as a awesome speech. lol

[Mike]

From a different perspective, the kinds of goals that Arnie aspired to are typical of a certain soul age.
Not meaning to sound cryptic, but if you take a look at the Michael Teachings, which I have found to be quite credible even though they are a kind of channeled information, there are definite characteristics of different souls, depending on where they are in their evolution, such as Infant, Baby, Young, Mature, Old, and on into more cosmic levels.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html
(Since souls are essentially eternal, soul age is determined primarily by how long the soul has been incarnating into the particular paradigm he/she is currently evolving in.)
Mature souls tend to aspire more to worldly goals such as Arnie has than, for example, Old souls, who may be a bit world weary and much more interested in acquiring wisdom, compassion, etc. than fame or fortune.
But sometimes people who are that driven are actually workaholics, using work as a diversion from looking inward, and that can create a lot of problems with relationships (with self and others).
It's not an uncomplicated subject.



Hi Nat:sun:

I read the Michael teachings a while ago, but will confess to quite a bit of skimming.

What you wrote about the various ages of souls and their accompanying desires makes sense to me.

But I would also say that, regardless of your goals, Arnold's advice is valid. Even if meditating is a goal, one still has to organize one's day to fit it in, and have the discipline to follow thru with the sitting and breathing and so forth. That would take even more discipline than lifting weights, I think.

I'm interested in acquiring some wisdom and compassion, but I wouldn't mind a few bucks in my bank account too.:wink:

What you wrote about work-aholics is true, of course. That's a trap one has to be weary of. On the flip side, there's a population of people who hide behind things like 'spirituality' as a means of making their failures in other areas seem less significant. I spose it can work both ways.

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From a different perspective, the kinds of goals that Arnie aspired to are typical of a certain soul age.
......>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But sometimes people who are that driven are actually workaholics, using work as a diversion from looking inward, and that can create a lot of problems with relationships (with self and others).
It's not an uncomplicated subject.

Interesting is it not?

I have a complete opposite consideration!

We are NOT all one and most are but shells.

This realm is a womb which gestates the, as yet not individualised, maybe's of an self awareness.

So such as Arnold...are nothing more than 'invitations' to repeat (thats hopeful *) this world.

* In truth I do not consider that you get to 'repeat' this world....I consider that you return to the 'pool' of potential unless YOU self construct via YOUR own consideration of YOU....BUT this consideration requires many aspects...such as empathy (which then removes a great part of the characters from this narrative).

Also this 'drama' is cyclical.

Round and round it goes but always on a spiral!
So you have a spiral of 'time' (for want of a better word....which moves forwards in technology) but you have a 'circle' of existence which portrays the exact same narrative to the 'actors' over and over....across aeons!

.......so no, I do not consider this as a awesome speech. lol



Lake this seems very thoughtful and I'd like to comment on it, but I've read it twice already and I have no idea what it means:)

[DeDukshyn]

... Perhaps if we work hard on becoming less effective at everything we do, we can break the cycle of tyranny??

Sorry for being facetious ... but I am having a hard time following anyone's logic these days ... probably just me, still trying to determine if this is a good thing or not ... :)

[Mike]

... Perhaps if we work hard on becoming less effective at everything we do, we can break the cycle of tyranny??

Sorry for being facetious ... but I am having a hard time following anyone's logic these days ... probably just me, still trying to determine if this is a good thing or not ... :)



Made me laugh!! Thanks dude.

[RunningDeer]

... Perhaps if we work hard on becoming less effective at everything we do, we can break the cycle of tyranny??

Sorry for being facetious ... but I am having a hard time following anyone's logic these days ... probably just me, still trying to determine if this is a good thing or not ... :)

When I’m home, I’m able to have silent moments (seconds) on the fly. But when I’m around people my thoughts are like nosy-static.

I’ve mostly lost my ability to multitask when I’m at the self-check line at the market. The friendly employees aren’t aware of how they’ve stepped into my personal space and get all chatty. I feel like a stranger in a strange land until I’ve driven a few miles towards home and had a chance to adjust.

:offtopic:

[onawah]

Much of what passes for discipline is simply programming oneself to be stuck in a routine, something which Don Juan Matus (Castenada's mentor) advises against.
Also Gurdjieff, as it's a good way of making oneself a more mechanical being.
The more mechanical we are, the less perceptive and spontaneous we are, the less tuned in.
Discipline has its place and is fine for helping to achieve a specific goal, but it has its limitations if your aim is to become a more whole person. a more finely tuned being.
It's not the be-all, end-all of success as a sentient being, just a step along the way.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I didn't read anything nefarious into that comment.

I didn't have to read anything nefarious into it. I happen to have read things about Schwarzenegger elsewhere already, so I'm more informed about him than having simply watched this video.

Coincidentally, his dad was a Master Sergeant in the National Socialist military police in Austria, and served in the 4th Panzer Group. Maybe that's where he gets his incredible work ethic, but I'm not as sure that it explains the cannibalistic paintings he's said to have hanging in some of his private residences, or all the orgies he used to attend when he was getting into Hollywood.

Anyway, I'll leave all that for another thread so as not to spoil anyone's fun, but I'm not simply reacting to what I heard in the video above. Like I said, I admire his determination and focus.

[Mike]

I didn't read anything nefarious into that comment.

I didn't have to read anything nefarious into it. I happen to have read things about Schwarzenegger elsewhere already, so I'm more informed about him than having simply watched this video.

Coincidentally, his dad was a Master Sergeant in the National Socialist military police in Austria, and served in the 4th Panzer Group. Maybe that's where he gets his incredible work ethic, but I'm not as sure that it explains the cannibalistic paintings he's said to have hanging in some of his private residences, or all the orgies he used to attend when he was getting into Hollywood.

Anyway, I'll leave all that for another thread so as not to spoil anyone's fun, but I'm not simply reacting to what I heard in the video above. Like I said, I admire his determination and focus.


i hear you! and thanks for all that.

sorry if i seemed sarcastic in my earlier response. it was a little trigger i think for me, because i'm so accustomed to everything being so deconstructed and so on, even stuff that seems positive to me. but you clearly have your reasons, and i respect that

[A Voice from the Mountains]

it was a little trigger i think for me, because i'm so accustomed to everything being so deconstructed and so on, even stuff that seems positive to me.

I know what you mean, and that's why I didn't elaborate in my first post, because I didn't want to just come in and take a big crap on Arnold right off the bat.

[Mike]

Much of what passes for discipline is simply programming oneself to be stuck in a routine, something which Don Juan Matus (Castenada's mentor) advises against.
Also Gurdjieff, as it's a good way of making oneself a more mechanical being.
The more mechanical we are, the less perceptive and spontaneous we are, the less tuned in.
Discipline has its place and is fine for helping to achieve a specific goal, but it has its limitations if your aim is to become a more whole person. a more finely tuned being.
It's not the be-all, end-all of success as a sentient being, just a step along the way.



I think if i was living in an ashram type of environment, or if i had nothing pending like Don Juan, i'd love the idea of having no schedule or routines. they certainly can make jack a dull boy

i'd never suggest some tyrannical, boring routine for anyone. the routine should serve you, not the other way around.

having said that, me..personally, couldn't get a whole heck of alot done without routines and schedules.

spirituality should never be mechanical, but the average working person likely has to schedule in their yoga or meditation or tai chi or whatever...which requires discipline. the discipline doesn't represent everything, but it's still vital imo

[onawah]

It's when it becomes an addiction or a crutch that it becomes dangerous, when you perform unconsciously.
It's not so much a matter of how you schedule your time as it is how consciously you perform.
If it becomes simply routine or mechanical habits, you've lost something of yourself.
It's why Zen practice is always about doing everything with your whole being--it doesn't matter when you do it, but how centered and awake you are while doing it, and it's not about reaching a goal but about how well you remain fully in the moment.


I think if i was living in an ashram type of environment, or if i had nothing pending like Don Juan, i'd love the idea of having no schedule or routines. they certainly can make jack a dull boy

i'd never suggest some tyrannical, boring routine for anyone. the routine should serve you, not the other way around.

having said that, me..personally, couldn't get a whole heck of alot done without routines and schedules.

spirituality should never be mechanical, but the average working person likely has to schedule in their yoga or meditation or tai chi or whatever...which requires discipline. the discipline doesn't represent everything, but it's still vital imo

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I think if i was living in an ashram type of environment, or if i had nothing pending like Don Juan, i'd love the idea of having no schedule or routines.


It's why Zen practice is always about doing everything with your whole being--it doesn't matter when you do it, but how centered and awake you are while doing it, and it's not about reaching a goal but about how well you remain fully in the moment.

After I read Mike's post, Zen Buddhism came to mind for me too, but for a completely opposite reason: Zen monasteries in Japan are incredibly rigorous with following a very rigid daily schedule that includes many hours of meditation.

They get up very early at the ring of a loud bell or gong, meditate for a couple hours or so in complete silence or stillness before eating breakfast. Then more meditation. Then lunch. Then more meditation. Every single day.

If they even so much as move while meditating, they have a volunteer who comes and beats the person who moved. Both the guy giving and the guy taking the beating bow to each other beforehand, of course, out of respect.

If you read up on these kinds of traditional Zen monasteries, they're not just laid back places where people lounge around. They'd kick you out for that.

[Mike]

I think if i was living in an ashram type of environment, or if i had nothing pending like Don Juan, i'd love the idea of having no schedule or routines.


It's why Zen practice is always about doing everything with your whole being--it doesn't matter when you do it, but how centered and awake you are while doing it, and it's not about reaching a goal but about how well you remain fully in the moment.

After I read Mike's post, Zen Buddhism came to mind for me too, but for a completely opposite reason: Zen monasteries in Japan are incredibly rigorous with following a very rigid daily schedule that includes many hours of meditation.

They get up very early at the ring of a loud bell or gong, meditate for a couple hours or so in complete silence or stillness before eating breakfast. Then more meditation. Then lunch. Then more meditation. Every single day.

If they even so much as move while meditating, they have a volunteer who comes and beats the person who moved. Both the guy giving and the guy taking the beating bow to each other beforehand, of course, out of respect.

If you read up on these kinds of traditional Zen monasteries, they're not just laid back places where people lounge around. They'd kick you out for that.



appreciate this! i'd forgotten all about it.

I think the soul likes discipline. Another way of saying that might be that the soul likes order. I think any spiritual progress must involve a clear intent, and then must be rigorously pursued. Spirituality can be approached practically imo.

And that may just be the way it is in the beginning. Perhaps schedules and a sense of discipline aren't quite as important the more one advances. Some people are just exceptional and don't need to practice as much or as hard as the rest of us.

[lake]

Well....discipline is achieved by accepting self responsibility from and for the chaotic nature of choices....thus freewill is only allowed to an individual soul which self determines the path chosen within the reading of a predefined and presented, limited narrative.

You can stand still
You can move forward
You can step backwards

Or.......YOU can make another choice.... which is truly the only freedom of self defined will. (to move away from the 8 seconds and become structured via self)

Or some stuff like that :)

[onawah]

Eventually, after enough practice, the forms become less important as the practice just naturally becomes a part of you, and the discipline doesn't have to be imposed, it comes naturally.
The drive for Divine Order is the characteristic of the crown chakra, the corresponding color is violet.

"Christopher Hill’s Nuclear Evolution

Violet Love – For great imaginers, the love of the divine order, that so often seems inaccessible in earthly life, is realized and fearlessly accepted when the understanding dawns that man’s apparent chaos is part of a greater cosmic plan. We can look at any of the works of genius in painting or music or poetry and discover there this paradoxical truth that pain and pleasure, sorrow and joy, chaos and order are ultimately the essential ingredients of any great artistic creation.

Violet Fear – Fear of Chaos

If your drive is to charm the universe and to use the “shaping spirit of the imagination” to create a new heaven and a new earth, then all that disrupts and obstructs this deep urge will be feared. It seems that those who live on this level of consciousness and, through music, painting, poetry and other creative arts, strive to present images that express their vision of Cosmic Reality, unconsciously repeat the original dilemma of the creation. Man, having been created in God’s image, with a direct line of communication with the Source, became aware that he had had another self, a doubter, and the creative artist suffers agonies of doubt and fear that the final expression of their vision will not match the glory of the original inspiration. Therefore, in a fit of despair he may smash the marble, slash the canvas, or tear up the manuscript."
https://drsircus.com/spiritual-psychology/violet-level-intelligence-imagination-creativity/

[onawah]

I lived in a Zen Center in the mountains of Virginia for a year back in my hippie days.
It actually was boring and tyrannical in a way, but since it was self-imposed and the objective was so ardently sought after, it was bearable.
But when you sit in meditation for as many hours as we did in the cold months ( we were busy working outdoors in the warmer weather, and only sat for a few hours per day then), you can't sleep, and you go into altered states of consciousness which are difficult to manage for the uninitiated.
After a few month of the "long" schedule, we were getting pretty bonkers, and most of us left for the Xmas holidays to try to get more back to normal.
Unfortunately, the barn burned down during that time, taking with it all our winter fuel, so the community broke up as we didn't have enough funds to meet the new needs.
Going back to city life after that year in the country of pure living was traumatic, but it was very interesting too.
My mind was so crystal clear, and I could see through all the ego games that people were playing without even trying.
It was disconcerting, but it saved me a lot of energy, because I realized that I really didn't have to play along at all.
And just my quiet presence seemed to trigger all kinds of "stuff" in others, which made me not just a kind of novelty, but kept me in demand, which was good because I was at very loose ends and temporarily homeless.
Many years later, when I was a live foods vegan, I became something of a body builder myself, walking down a mountain side to get to the gym to work out 3x weekly for 2-3 hours, then climbing up the mountain afterwards to get back home, where I did some meditating, but not nearly as much as at the Zen Center.
I was in better shape then most everyone I knew, but internally, it was an entirely different kind of experience, and I would take the post - Zen Center state of mind over the "jock" state of mind any day.
It takes a very different kind of focus.