Yamashlta's gold

[Bill Ryan]

There's a good summary of Yama****a's gold here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama****a%27s_gold), but there's MUCH more about it all over the net. It's for real.

I was given these photos below by someone who contacted Project Camelot years ago: and also personally met another (independent) Camelot contact who told us he was part of a team that transferred at least some of the gold to Switzerland — where it remains.

Kerry and I met him for dinner, and he showed us documents which stated the value of the gold deposited. The huge dollar number had so many zeros after it that I had to count them twice. (That's not a joke. I really did.)

Here are the photos. They're high resolution images, so they may take a while to load. Enlarge them to read them in detail. And look VERY carefully at the last two to see the value. :)

http://projectavalon.net/img097.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/img098.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/img099.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/img100.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/img102.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/img103.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/img104.jpg

[ramus]

Three Trillion ... or three thousand billion..... in one trunk at around $20.67 in 1930 an ounce, now $1220.00 a ounce

Thanks Bill.

[Nenuphar]

Three Trillion ... or three thousand billion..... in one trunk at around $20.67 an ounce, now $1220.00 a ounce

Thanks Bill.


That is simply staggering!

[lake]

Well it is a thing but it is not 3 trillion within a single trunk....unless that is a rather huge trunk?

I mean just approx that equals $320.00 ($20 to an ounce) to a pound (16 ounces) in weight.
Now there would be 3125lbs to a million dollars.......so times that by 1000,000 to make a trillion....then times that by 3

That is a great deal of heavy! You are not putting that in one box!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

$3,000,000,000,000 (3 trillion)
divided by $1220/oz = 2,459,016 oz
divided by 16oz per pound = 153,689 LB
divided by 2000LB/ton = 76.8 tons

[Bill Ryan]

$3,000,000,000,000 (3 trillion)
divided by $1220/oz = 2,459,016 oz
divided by 16oz per pound = 153,689 LB
divided by 2000LB/ton = 76.8 tons

Ron, you need the HISTORICAL gold price (https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart), not today's. In 1934 (the date on the brass plaque — or maybe it's a gold plaque! :) ), it peaked at $668.

The box photographed says 'SERIES 193'. I don't know what that means, but it might (possibly) mean there were at least 192 other boxes. I was told that the quantity of gold there kind of boggled the mind.

[Tam]

Well, damn. Time to buy a shovel :)

[shaberon]

You can't link a certain set of letters in that Japanese name.

This is reminiscent of the things that went on about Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) and the apparent stash of gold belonging particularly to the royal houses of China, Japan, India, and Indonesia that went on a few years ago. Some of that was hoax-ish and some of it may be real. If unleashed as gold-backed currency, it would cause a sudden shift in power.

The package is from right after the 1933 confiscation (is not WWII Asian), which was for around $20, and then increasing some thirty times in value sounds about right, free money for the bank. Appears to list a dozen sixty-pound bars, with a skimpy one stuck in the middle for some reason. So probably about 750 pounds in the chest, most of which was probably previously in peoples' houses.

I observed what I would call a "second confiscation". Around 2004, Rothschild sold their seat from the gold-fixing board, now left to HSBC, Barclay's, etc. Then there was a steady price increase. People started selling gold like mad, most of which went to India and China. After about ten years, the well started to run dry. I don't have any numbers for it, but millions passed through these hands. It was almost literally like transferring a crown from one head to another. Nothing "official" to it, just something else that ran under the radar.

[Chip]

$3,000,000,000,000 (3 trillion)
divided by $1220/oz = 2,459,016 oz
divided by 16oz per pound = 153,689 LB
divided by 2000LB/ton = 76.8 tons

Hey Ron,
Just an interesting side note.
Precious metals are still measured in Troy. There are 12 Troy ounces in a Troy pound.
A regular ounce is 28.35 grams and a Troy ounce is 31.1 grams.
Your math still works out to a lot of weight and does not change the point you are making.
Happy New Year!

[Chip]

http://projectavalon.net/img099.jpg

This image is interesting.
The bars are very obviously not Gold due to the tarnishing (Gold doesn't tarnish).

Also if you expand the image you can make out that they are actually Brass boxes.
The edges of the boxes show the thickness of each side as well if one looks closely.

However, the value amount on the box does not match with its size, even if valued at the dated market price (Perhaps this is the total value of all boxes/chest?).

But everything else looks remarkably credible.
I'm very curious.

[lake]

So on the "Certification" plaques it states (in part):


Denomination: $1000,000,000 (250pcs) Total Value $250,000,000,000

On this one plaque it reads:


Box No. G88888888F

The "F" stands for Atlanta, Georgia as per the single "control" plaque which states 12 different codes for the 12 boxes.

So 12 boxes each containing 250 "bars" which are said to be worth One billion dollars each!
Therefore 3000 "bars" totalling Three trillion dollars in the "names" of 12 cities!

[lake]

Oh well that ended quickly :)

The images we have are of a single trunk (the 13th trunk) which does not hold any "gold" but holds the 12 Certification plaques and the Control plaque.

The other 12 trunks are said to hold the Government Bonds, 250 per box at face values of US$ one billion. So pieces of paper lol

[Bill Ryan]

Here's some more. The documents below are high resolution, so you can enlarge them and zoom into the detail. They show an October 2002 deposit into the Swiss bank UBS of 22,198,000 kg of gold. I was given them by a second person, not the person who gave me the photos of the 1934 bullion box.

I do NOT know if the UBS deposit was connected to Yama****a's gold. But what's very interesting is that if you look at the URLs of the photos, the box photos are img097, img098, img099, img100, img102, img103, and img104. Meanwhile, the UBS documents are img050 and img051.

That might be a coincidence, but to me it strongly suggests that these two people (one in the US and the other in Switzerland, who certainly didn't know each other) both got them from the same original source.

If that's the case, I'd LOVE to know what was in img001—img049 and img052—img096. :)

http://projectavalon.net/img050.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/img051.jpg

[chrifri]

It's the very first time I reply to a thread. In case my comment would not be posted on the thread please feel free to post it. After the merger of the 2 Swiss banks, Swiss Bank Corporation and Union Bank of Switzerland, back in 1998, the official name of the new merged bank became UBS AG (or UBS Group AG https://www.ubs.com/global/en/legal/info-on-ubs.html). Since then, to my knowledge, Union Bank of Switzerland A.G. did not exist anymore. Nobody with signatory power on behalf of UBS AG, would have signed in the year 2002, a document in the name of Union Bank of Switzerland A.G. Therefore both certificates must be false and therefore do not stand as proof for such holdings at UBS. Personally I have been following the gold market closely since the year 2000 and since then, I came across this story a couple of times. None of the information I previously got about this story was, in my opinion, OK to prove the existence of this Gold. Maybe the Yama****a Gold does exist or maybe not. However counterfeit documents as the above, do certainly not help to support the authenticity of the story

[Bill Ryan]

It's the very first time I reply to a thread. In case my comment would not be posted on the thread please feel free to post it. After the merger of the 2 Swiss banks, Swiss Bank Corporation and Union Bank of Switzerland, back in 1998, the official name of the new merged bank became UBS AG (or UBS Group AG https://www.ubs.com/global/en/legal/info-on-ubs.html). Since then, to my knowledge, Union Bank of Switzerland A.G. did not exist anymore. Nobody with signatory power on behalf of UBS AG, would have signed in the year 2002, a document in the name of Union Bank of Switzerland A.G. Therefore both certificates must be false and therefore do not stand as proof for such holdings at UBS. Personally I have been following the gold market closely since the year 2000 and since then, I came across this story a couple of times. None of the information I previously got about this story was, in my opinion, OK to prove the existence of this Gold. Maybe the Yama****a Gold does exist or maybe not. However counterfeit documents as the above, do certainly not help to support the authenticity of the story

Thank you!! :highfive: That's very interesting.

I got curious, and then found this:


https://riskwerk.com/2013/05/02/bn-ubs-union-bank-of-switzerland-ag

It's not the bank's page, but it's a well-presented, critical blog piece about their stock price. The page title is (B)(N) UBS Union Bank of Switzerland AG, and in the first paragraph, it states:
The Union Bank of Switzerland, with headquarters in the Bahnhofstrasse of Zurich, Switzerland, continuously since at least 1862, is one the largest and most fabled banks of the world...
There are other pages online, Google-searchable by requesting the phrase, specified by bracketing the phrase in quotes — like this: "UBS Union Bank of Switzerland AG". There are even Getty and Alamy images available with Union Bank of Switzerland AG in the description.

The UBS site itself is https://ubs.com, and if anyone wants to ask them about this via their media relations contact form, here it is:


https://ubs.com/global/en/about_ubs/media/switzerland/contact_feedbackform.html

I can't do this myself, as I don't have a phone number or an address. (True! I live in a house in a field near a small village, and that's all. No mailbox, no nothing. :) ) Don't mention the specific document, but just ask about what they might have called themselves on formal documents in 2002.

[Sunny-side-up]

All very interesting.

All I can say for sure is

'I definitely haven't got any of it' :(







Note from Bill: We'll send Indigris with her new shovel (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105519-Yamashlta-s-gold&p=1266735&viewfull=1#post1266735) to your back yard just to check :)

[Bill Ryan]

Maybe the Yama****a Gold does exist or maybe not.

Here's the book that tells the entire story:


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Sterling%20Seagrave%2C%20Peggy%20Seagrave%20-%20Gold%20Warriors%20-%20America's%20Secret%20Recovery%20of%20Yama****a's%20gold.pdf

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51KnCof00UL._SX333_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

The Amazon summary:

In 1945, US intelligence officers in Manila discovered that the Japanese had hidden large quantities of gold bullion and other looted treasure in the Philippines. President Truman decided to recover the gold but to keep its riches secret. These, combined with Japanese treasure recovered during the US occupation, and with recovered Nazi loot, would create a worldwide American political action fund to fight communism. This ‘Black Gold’ gave Washington virtually limitless, unaccountable funds, providing an asset base to reinforce the treasuries of America’s allies, to bribe political and military leaders, and to manipulate elections in foreign countries for more than fifty years.

[ramus]

Gold price in 1930 was...$ 20.67

1934 was...$ 35.00

So the volume of gold the make a trillion is huge. The standard weight of a ingot 12.4 Kg .. 438 oz. at 99.5 purity 430 oz. ... 16 oz. to a pound ..35.2 oz. to a kilogram ......12.4kg x 35.2oz..= 27.2 lbs per ingot....$35 x 35.2oz =$1232.00 per ingot ...$1,000,00.00 = 811 ingots or 22,059.2 lbs ...that's just a million dollars worth.

hope the math is right






Note from Bill: not according to this interactive historical gold price graph (https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart).

[chrifri]

After my post I did some more research. According to the information I found, Peter Davis was not CFO of UBS AG. He and Rolf Meyer (the 2 signatories on one of the copies) were members of the group executive board. Signing documents that have nothing to do with their duties as board members is very strange and I would say impossible. Of course, by coincidence, at that time, there could have been 2 other gentlemen with the exact same names, holding similar positions (another Rolf Meyer holding a vice president position could have been possible, however a Peter Davis as CFO most probably not). To me it rather seems that somebody has picked these names to make the document seemingly important. Which in my opinion it definitely is not. Further I have checked the UBS 2002 Financial Report. According to that report there was no business unit with the name Union Bank of Switzerland. By the way, I worked for UBS before and some time after the merger (before at the previous Union Bank of Switzerland). I can confirm that after the merger there were very strict rules NOT to use the name of Union Bank of Switzerland anymore. Having seen copies of other counterfeit documents during my "bankers" time I am convinced that the 2 documents are false.

[Bill Ryan]

After my post I did some more research. According to the information I found, Peter Davis was not CFO of UBS AG. He and Rolf Meyer (the 2 signatories on one of the copies) were members of the group executive board. Signing documents that have nothing to do with their duties as board members is very strange and I would say impossible. Of course, by coincidence, at that time, there could have been 2 other gentlemen with the exact same names, holding similar positions (another Rolf Meyer holding a vice president position could have been possible, however a Peter Davis as CFO most probably not). To me it rather seems that somebody has picked these names to make the document seemingly important. Which in my opinion it definitely is not. Further I have checked the UBS 2002 Financial Report. According to that report there was no business unit with the name Union Bank of Switzerland. By the way, I worked for UBS before and some time after the merger (before at the previous Union Bank of Switzerland). I can confirm that after the merger there were very strict rules NOT to use the name of Union Bank of Switzerland anymore. Having seen copies of other counterfeit documents during my "bankers" time I am convinced that the 2 documents are false.

Thank you! :sun:

[ramus]

https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdf

GOLD PRICES :




Historical Gold Price Table
, London prices converted to
U.S. Dollars.
The price of gold remained remarkably stable for long periods of time. For example, Sir Isaac Newton, as master of the
U.K. Mint, set the gold price at L3.17s. 10d. per troy ounce in 1717, and it remained effectively the same for two hundred
years until 1914. The only exception was during the Napoleonic wars from 1797 to 1821. The official U.S. Government
gold price has changed only four times from 1792 to the present. Starting at $19.75 per troy ounce, raised to $20.67 in
1834, and $35 in 1934. In 1972, the price was raised to $38 and then to $42.22 in 1973. A two-tiered pricing system was
created in 1968, and the market price for gold has been free to fluctuate since then as the table below shows.

[Bill Ryan]

https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdf

GOLD PRICES :

Ah, got it. The graph I used was inflation-adjusted (i.e. past years showed the equivalent price now). Yours was the real-time price then. :highfive:

(Which means yours is the right one to use. :thumbsup: )

[Bill Ryan]

[Moderator geek note :) ]

Folks will have noticed that if you write the name straight out, the rather dumb (no AI here!) Avalon cuss word auto-censor kicks in and makes it appear as Yama****a.

The way to defeat this is to select the 'i' (or any asterisked letter) an then go to 'Sizes' in the little menu above, and choose Size=2 (which it is anyway).

But then, behind the scenes, the code looks like this: Yama****a. That confuses the censor so much it lets it pass, and Yama****a is what you see on the page.


:focus:

[lake]

Ermm...you just told all us adults how to swear on the forum :idea:

lol

[chrifri]

After having made my first post and I saw that the Y.... name was converted into Yama****a, I had to smile. Who knows, maybe the auto-censor might give us a hint that there is some s... buried somewhere in that story. Sorry for the comment but it really seemed funny to me

[lake]

Hi all....well I seem to be on a completely different path from most of you??

I am just taking from the opening posts images and I 'see' no gold!
Well thats not correct but from the images we can see:

That the 'bullion boxes' are not very large (see the cd cases in the first image and then the size of floor tiles upon which are cardboard packing) and that they are 'bond boxes'....they hold bonds, promises to pay from either the government or the federal reserve system.

A main theme from the images is the ' Treaty of Versailles ' so I skim read a couple of books on this subject, mainly about the reparations, inter–ally debt, and international trade:

The Economic Consequences of the Peace 1920 (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/15776/15776-h/15776-h.htm)

and

A Revision of the Treaty 1922 (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46037/46037-h/46037-h.htm)

Not my type of thing but they do show that Germany was looking at 180 billion in GOLD marks as reparation....plus interest.......but this did not include the USA, who was holding off on judgement but did declare an 'interest'?

So then we have:


United Secret Book Of Redemption

On of the meanings for redemption when used in finance is:


the act of exchanging bonds, shares, etc. for money

these bond boxes hold 'financial instruments' more than likely issued to save the federal reserve system from collapse in 1930-33.

You have a box which holds 12 smaller boxes (and a 13th box which contains the 'means' to redemption or cashing in of the bonds) which each contain 250 bonds at a face value of one billion each.

It would look like this ties in with the Banking Act of 1932 (https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/banking_acts_of_1932), Emergency Banking Act of 1933 (https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/emergency_banking_act_of_1933) and the Gold Reserve Act of 1934 (https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/gold_reserve_act).
Also the Exchange Stabilization Fund (https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/international/exchange-stabilization-fund) (created by the Gold Reserve Act of 1934) which 'trades' money and gold with other countries.

The serial numbers look to go with this which are of course the 12 Fed Banks (as per the images):


United States Gold Obligation

Gold Certificates and Federal Reserve Notes

Total Face Value of Notes Issued, 1907-1933


Table Columns:


Series: Year of enactment (issue).

District: Federal Reserve Bank District.

$FV: Face Value of note in Dollars.

Notes Issued: Total number of notes printed and issued.

The Total Face Value is the sum of the face values times the numbers of notes.

US TREASURY GOLD CERTIFICATES

Series $FV Notes Issued Total Face Value

1907 10 105,094,800

1922 10 160,604,000

1905 20 4,676,000

1906 20 55,954,587

1922 20 87,120,000

1913 50 1,624,000

1922 50 5,984,000

1922 100 2,444,000

1907 1,000 228,000

1922 1,000 80,000

1928 10 130,812,000

20 66,204,000

50 5,520,000

100 3,240,000

500 420,000

1,000 288,000

5,000 24,000

10,000 36,000



$ 10,754,999,740.00



Official US price 1933: $20.67 (per troy oz)

Total gold obligation: 0.52 Billion troy oz.

Total gold obligation: 16,183 Metric Tons


FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES

Series/District $FV Notes Issued Total Face Value

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Note: I have snipped this down as it is rather long :0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1928-A A 50 1,834,989
B 50 3,392,328
C 50 3,078,944
D 50 2,453,364
E 50 1,516,500
F 50 338,400
G 50 5,263,956
H 50 880,500
I 50 780,240
J 50 791,604
K 50 701,496
L 50 1,522,620

1928 A 100 376,000
B 100 755,400
C 100 389,100
D 100 542,400
E 100 364,416
F 100 357,000
G 100 783,300
H 100 187,200
I 100 102,000
J 100 234,612
K 100 80,140
L 100 486,000

1928-A A 100 980,400
B 100 2,938,176
C 100 1,496,844
D 100 992,436
E 100 621,364
F 100 371,400
G 100 4,010,424
H 100 749,544
I 100 503,040
J 100 681,804
K 100 594,456
L 100 1,228,032

1928 A 500 69,120
B 500 299,400
C 500 135,120
D 500 166,440
E 500 84,720
F 500 69,360
G 500 573,600
H 500 66,180
I 500 34,680
J 500 510,720
K 500 70,560
L 500 64,080

1928 A 1,000 58,320
B 1,000 139,200
C 1,000 96,708
D 1,000 79,680
E 1,000 66,840
F 1,000 47,400
G 1,000 355,800
H 1,000 60,000
I 1,000 26,640
J 1,000 62,172
K 1,000 42,960
L 1,000 67,920

1928 A 5,000 1,320
B 5,000 2,640
C 5,000 0
D 5,000 3,000
E 5,000 3,984
F 5,000 1,440
G 5,000 3,480
H 5,000 0
I 5,000 0
J 5,000 720
K 5,000 360
L 5,000 51,300

1928 A 10,000 1,320
B 10,000 4,680
C 10,000 0
D 10,000 960
E 10,000 3,024
F 10,000 1,440
G 10,000 1,800
H 10,000 480
I 10,000 480
J 10,000 480
K 10,000 360
L 10,000 1,824

$ 35,833,509,910.00

Official US price 1933: $20.67 (per troy oz)
Total gold obligation: 1.7336 Billion troy oz.
Total gold obligation: 53,919 Metric Tons

In effect the Fed owed so very much more gold than was in the whole world

Thats not it but long enough post (it would seem to even incorporate the events of 911)


So....have I gone down a wrong path?

[lake]

Lets add a short story I read today....not that I consider it correct but as we are playing 'Cluedo' it may help solve the crime??



After WWI the Treaty of Versailles was set up to help rebuild the world and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) was created by the founders of the Federal Reserve. All the gold in Europe—and, it appears, everywhere else—went to the US Government in exchange for these Series 1934 safe keeping receipts / bonds. It is rumored that 8 ships departed China for the US with gold so it could not be by looted by the Japanese occupiers. In 1998 the 60 year hold ended, the boxes were dug up, and the people who originally gave their gold for paper wanted it back. The US said no such exchange occurred. Later, in a secret court in the Hague, the US lost the litigation of the claim and was ordered to turn over the gold by September 11, 2001. The US did not turn over the gold and the Twin Towers were attacked, accompanied by a mysterious collapse of the World Trade Center number 7. Few knew the gold vaults were under building number 7, and fewer knew they were discovered to be empty after the collapsed structure was excavated down to the vault levels. No doubt this was the heist of the century.

[Bill Ryan]

Lets add a short story I read today....not that I consider it correct but as we are playing 'Cluedo' it may help solve the crime??



After WWI the Treaty of Versailles was set up to help rebuild the world and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) was created by the founders of the Federal Reserve. All the gold in Europe—and, it appears, everywhere else—went to the US Government in exchange for these Series 1934 safe keeping receipts / bonds. It is rumored that 8 ships departed China for the US with gold so it could not be by looted by the Japanese occupiers. In 1998 the 60 year hold ended, the boxes were dug up, and the people who originally gave their gold for paper wanted it back. The US said no such exchange occurred. Later, in a secret court in the Hague, the US lost the litigation of the claim and was ordered to turn over the gold by September 11, 2001. The US did not turn over the gold and the Twin Towers were attacked, accompanied by a mysterious collapse of the World Trade Center number 7. Few knew the gold vaults were under building number 7, and fewer knew they were discovered to be empty after the collapsed structure was excavated down to the vault levels. No doubt this was the heist of the century.

Excellent! :thumbsup:

Here's the source:


https://international-due-diligence.org/usa-1934-series-bonds

Scroll down, and you see thumbnail images of the boxes, or very similar boxes — though links to the large images no longer work. You have to go to Google Reverse Image Search to go further. Follow this link with interest. (We need Indigris' shovel (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105519-Yamashlta-s-gold&p=1266735&viewfull=1#post1266735) not to dig for gold, but to dig for more info. :) )


https://google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitVOTmDk4TpZGWZ6Mg53uF64CCMiC9Om_1N0PlNZE9g73-dIbq_1MXsXYk2ngpmDpc4EstqF2qy84Fh3wJOp_1jqIH2pkVoecUsCrEVaIPEg1Dd3DimaFj9XRFE2ZP5A8cTfK3y4Wjx7cwIc4U Hjyx3QiUzZIoUTseMjiqAskR2h48YG0XwaYLfxOWhN0F8zDz-1IkMdxLlb_1aGJjBBk8Wccb-RnOxuJed07vPWOw7l794qK6MPj3D9xf-2dgY0ByG9dxhnkyNXGVwWm-H6bEkK8HvrYJp99b4VyviQHxW9FMP0Qus97ciUqSrSX4GueOALAi9FyRNzV8XHZdLtSt9txWr5bdBsfBLcy-T0VXPdSVXCuPj3jU

Here's the right-angle turn here: it appears the boxes (13 of them, the article says) didn't contain GOLD. They contained BONDS.

[lake]

Thanks Bill....I found the images and will post them below (not big but the floor tiles seem the same as your OP:

https://i.imgur.com/zmfAEmJ.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/zfT9js3.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/HpFVAQ8.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/0HAHfwq.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/YFaaBAU.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/9fySmwY.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/kHevmfy.jpg


:highfive:

[ramus]

It appears that Neil Keenan-Group K Ltd.is the lead man on the Asian gold. He's been at this for a long time.

http://neilkeenan.com/

For the past month or so I have been fielding questions with respect to Neil F. Keenan and the tremendous honor he has been endowed with in being elected as the Amanah in Indonesia.

The Definition of The Amanah:

The Amanah, is the title given to the one who is and has shown his concern, care and love for not only Indonesia but for all other nations in our efforts to stay alive and relevant.

This individual is directly responsible and in charge of the deposits in all the bunkers that were placed there by the Asian Nations who brought large amounts of gifts when Sukarno was voted the first and only Amanah.

Initially, my instinct was to ignore such nonsense although it seems to have captured the minds of so many.

Neil Keenan opened the likes of Pandora’s Box with his “Trillion Dollar Lawsuit” when it was filed in the United States District Court in Manhattan, New York, in 2011.

The event of the filing of said lawsuit initiated the process of shining a light of truth that exposed the Globalist / Cabal networks and a multitude of financially fraudulent activities – included within which was the theft of bonds belonging to Mr. Keenan.
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There seems to be bunkers in Asia full of gold that was not stole by the Globalist, Neil Keenan is in charge of them.

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As much as I hate to post this, it's a good accounting of Keenan's Trillion Dollar law suit:

There are 2 parts to this. This is 2011

https://divinecosmos.com/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny/

[Kryztian]

How much, physically, is 3 Trillion Dollars of U.S. Gold???

From the time of the end of the Treaty of Versailles (1919) up until gold ownership was outlawed by Franklin Delano Roosevelt and had to be sold to the government (1932), gold prices were fairly steady at about $20 per ounce. So that would be about 150 billion troy ounces, or 5.67 million kilograms. The volume of that gold would be 326,587 cubic meters. If all this gold was melted down into one perfect cube, the cube would be 68.86 meters (225 feet) long, wide and high. Or it would measure 9,837 TEUs. A TEU is the volume of a 20-foot shipping container. A PANAMAX container ship (as large as any container ship that can fit in the Panama canal) can carry about 5,000 TEU's. So, it would take two of these ships to transport all of this gold. Of course, the cargo they usually carry is FAR less dense than gold bars, so I imagine the ship would probably sink if it were loaded up to this capacity.

Gold is a great way to store value in a small area and space BUT 3 Trillion is still an awful lot of value. This is a lot of gold to either hide or move.

http://maritime-connector.com/images/panamacanal2-16-wiki-18894.jpg

(and somebody, please check my math)

[lake]

$47,039,585,807 plus interest....in gold....was the amount (at $20.67 per ounce) sought by the allies, NOT including the US, via the Treaty of Versailles from Germany for it's actions within WW1.

Now that is 47 billion dollars + 6% year on year interest, in 1922.......in GOLD....not paper, GOLD! And this is without the amount the the States would....in time....require!!

Now here:

FDR’s 1933 Gold Confiscation was a Bailout of the Federal Reserve Bank (http://www.moonlightmint.com/bailout.htm)


The total face value of gold-clause Federal Reserve Notes issued prior to 1933 was equivalent to nearly 54,000 metric tons of gold. If 75% of them were outstanding in 1933, that would still be 40,500 metric tons of gold that the Federal Reserve Bank (and the US Treasury) didn’t have. Even taking the extremely low estimate of only 37.5% of the Federal Reserve Notes remaining, that would still be over 20,000 metric tons of gold. With US gold reserves at 6,000 tons, this would be a shortfall of 14,000 tons. But those 6,000 tons were needed to cover the US Treasury Gold Certificates. So at the very minimum, Federal Reserve Notes to the tune of 20,000 metric tons of gold were “circulating naked” in 1933.


and



During a “Fireside Chat” on 07 May 1933, Roosevelt basically admitted that gold-clause obligations far exceeded the amount of gold held by the US Treasury and Federal Reserve. In fact, the total gold obligations far exceeded the amount of gold in the entire world, not even counting corporate gold obligations.

“Behind government currency we have, in addition to the promise to pay, a reserve of gold and a small reserve of silver, neither of them anything like the total amount of the currency.” – FDR, 07 May 1933.

In the same speech, Roosevelt outlined that the total US gold reserves amounted to between 3 and 4 billion dollars worth (4,500-6,000 metric tons), and that all the gold in all the world was valued at 11 billion dollars (16,500 metric tons). At the same time, Roosevelt admits that US Government (and Federal Reserve) gold obligations were at least 30 billion dollars worth (45,000 metric tons), and that private US corporations had promised another 60 billion dollars worth (90,000 metric tons).

Now I must seem to keep on about The Treaty of Versailles....but it is all over the bond boxes and over the internal boxes. So the link is important.

Edit to add: best state how I get to $47 billion.... 180billion marks in gold, 2790 marks in gold to a kilo of gold (as of 1922) times $20.67 an ounce

[lake]

So while I do luv a game of thrones....I have a big issue with a particular point.

Which I have been trying to ignore.......but can not.


United Secret Book Of Redemption

I can accept the words


Book Of Redemption

It would seem rather apt when one considers the reparations required between warring parties....but


United Secret

secret?????

Now that is not the manner in written words of any westerner in the 1930's

Again.... United Secret Book Of Redemption....as seen in 3 of the OP images.

Anyone any thoughts regarding those words?

[neutronstar]

Lets add a short story I read today....not that I consider it correct but as we are playing 'Cluedo' it may help solve the crime??



After WWI the Treaty of Versailles was set up to help rebuild the world and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) was created by the founders of the Federal Reserve. All the gold in Europe—and, it appears, everywhere else—went to the US Government in exchange for these Series 1934 safe keeping receipts / bonds. It is rumored that 8 ships departed China for the US with gold so it could not be by looted by the Japanese occupiers. In 1998 the 60 year hold ended, the boxes were dug up, and the people who originally gave their gold for paper wanted it back. The US said no such exchange occurred. Later, in a secret court in the Hague, the US lost the litigation of the claim and was ordered to turn over the gold by September 11, 2001. The US did not turn over the gold and the Twin Towers were attacked, accompanied by a mysterious collapse of the World Trade Center number 7. Few knew the gold vaults were under building number 7, and fewer knew they were discovered to be empty after the collapsed structure was excavated down to the vault levels. No doubt this was the heist of the century.

Excellent! :thumbsup:

Here's the source:


https://international-due-diligence.org/usa-1934-series-bonds

Scroll down, and you see thumbnail images of the boxes, or very similar boxes — though links to the large images no longer work. You have to go to Google Reverse Image Search to go further. Follow this link with interest. (We need Indigris' shovel (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105519-Yamashlta-s-gold&p=1266735&viewfull=1#post1266735) not to dig for gold, but to dig for more info. :) )


https://google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitVOTmDk4TpZGWZ6Mg53uF64CCMiC9Om_1N0PlNZE9g73-dIbq_1MXsXYk2ngpmDpc4EstqF2qy84Fh3wJOp_1jqIH2pkVoecUsCrEVaIPEg1Dd3DimaFj9XRFE2ZP5A8cTfK3y4Wjx7cwIc4U Hjyx3QiUzZIoUTseMjiqAskR2h48YG0XwaYLfxOWhN0F8zDz-1IkMdxLlb_1aGJjBBk8Wccb-RnOxuJed07vPWOw7l794qK6MPj3D9xf-2dgY0ByG9dxhnkyNXGVwWm-H6bEkK8HvrYJp99b4VyviQHxW9FMP0Qus97ciUqSrSX4GueOALAi9FyRNzV8XHZdLtSt9txWr5bdBsfBLcy-T0VXPdSVXCuPj3jU

Here's the right-angle turn here: it appears the boxes (13 of them, the article says) didn't contain GOLD. They contained BONDS.

David Wilcock reported all about this back in 2011 or so. Yes they were bonds but it was very strange. There were mistakes in grammar, almost like they did it on purpose. Maybe so they could say they were for-juries and not have to honor them. I can't imagine somebody trying to cash them out if they weren't legit. Not at those amounts.

[shaberon]

Keenan. Yes, remember that one vaguely now. Is there outside evidence--i. e., an actual court docket or something--confirming his activity? I have never seen that, or some of the similar suits said to be filed under the Uniform Commercial Code. At that point, I began to forget the actors and their stories.

I remember the "mistakes" on these bonds claimed as being intentional, in other words, a counterfeit would be perfect, so these used manual error. Whether to dishonestly refuse stolen ones, or confirm a find on keepers, I am not sure.

I was wondering about the photos, and the comment gold does not tarnish, is generally correct, It can, however, get dirty. Condensation with bits of oxidized brass or dissolved wood or something could discolor it. Intriguing that the second set of images in #29 appear to contain boxes.

I always found it interesting that Germany ducked out of two "reparations plans" in the 20s-30s and then turned around and issued state-backed currency. Who else can be attributed with using real state money in the modern world? Hard to find.

Armies loot whatever they can, and it is hard to know if someone like Imelda Marcos is honest in the matter. Rothschild didn't really need to be involved with physical gold any more, after finding a preference for paper transactions. You just handle futures of entire mining operations and things like that. Unlike other commodities, which would give one at least temporary ownership of an orange crop, I don't think most gold paper has anything attached to it, except other papers.

Redemption is a thing of the past; a debt cannot be paid, only extinguished. Payment would require the use of lawful money, which is the kind that can be redeemed for silver or gold, belongs to the state, is not a note of a private bank. Those notes are legal tender for debts, not necessarily an honorable item for a spontaneous purchase. The correct term for the transitional notes that could be redeemed is "Certificate". If you posted the different kinds of dollar look-alikes from around 1912-1935, you would find some interesting phrase twists as the entity metamorphosed. One of my favorites was from ca. 1920 where, in the penmanship of the time, beside "Federal Reserve", someone wrote "Bolshevik". There was massive popular resistance to the change, and I have no clue what happened to all those people and their common understanding.

[shaberon]

However counterfeit documents as the above, do certainly not help to support the authenticity of the story

Good eye on those. Even if real, they would be what we call a "bearer bond certificate", being payable to...whoever bears or holds passport so and so, of address, Indonesia. There are several kinds of things like this, such as a ticket or lottery card. In many cases if I hold or bear the item, I may claim whatever is indicated, without question. The rest of the wording is trash: deducations, withhodings, politicalsubdivinisision, especially this last word suggests a German writer with a semester or two of English. "Date of Issued", "Under Letter Head of Bank"...is there anything correct on this paper? Not much.

And yes, if the images are so flimsy as to just be img1-img150 or something, those probably aren't names given by a camera, but more like auto-generated by sending them into the same computer folder. I assume they are stripped of EXIF info. A camera might do that if you took the pics all in a row, then it was called IMG, and a computer lower-cased it. Hard to tell, I assumed that Avalon renamed them...if not, then it's rather flaky.

Where were they taken? Tile floor of a bank...hotel...no, it's too dirty. Look at the picture of the end of the box and you can tell it is in front of dirty wooden molding that appears to be separating from the wall, and it is in front of a relatively shallow cabinet which appears to contain displays of butterflies and demi-tasse spoons.

[lake]

Ok so I have to call....hoax :(

Too much is incorrect even within the images without taking any other form of input.

I mean just one thing (apart from my last post which demonstrates a complete lack of 1930's form of writing) with regard to THREE TRILLION DOLLARS.... in 1934.

Now the annual expenditure of the war machine from the USA currently could piss away 3 trillion as if it was nothing, but in 1934....no.

The Treaty of Versailles has absolutely nothing to do with 3 trillion dollars. Nothing. There is NO way even factoring in all pensions and considerations of 'loss'....that 3 trillion can have any link to The Treaty of Versailles.

Neither can it link to the Federal Reserve System of the 1930's.

If the outer box had stated 300 billion as a total.... then I could have linked it to the Treaty of Versailles....but 3 trillion....NO....not in 1934.

If the Treaty of Versailles was never mentioned....then I could link about one third to the Federal Reserve and the insurance required between 1920-1934....but this would still leave 2 Trillion .... lol .... no really~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you all realise exactly what a trillion is?

So I call hoax.......what say you Avalonians?

:)

[Bubu]

excuse my ignorance but I just dont understand why gold is so pricy even before the electronics age.

[Watching from Cyprus]

After my post I did some more research. According to the information I found, Peter Davis was not CFO of UBS AG. He and Rolf Meyer (the 2 signatories on one of the copies) were members of the group executive board. Signing documents that have nothing to do with their duties as board members is very strange and I would say impossible. Of course, by coincidence, at that time, there could have been 2 other gentlemen with the exact same names, holding similar positions (another Rolf Meyer holding a vice president position could have been possible, however a Peter Davis as CFO most probably not). To me it rather seems that somebody has picked these names to make the document seemingly important. Which in my opinion it definitely is not. Further I have checked the UBS 2002 Financial Report. According to that report there was no business unit with the name Union Bank of Switzerland. By the way, I worked for UBS before and some time after the merger (before at the previous Union Bank of Switzerland). I can confirm that after the merger there were very strict rules NOT to use the name of Union Bank of Switzerland anymore. Having seen copies of other counterfeit documents during my "bankers" time I am convinced that the 2 documents are false.

Thank you! :sun: Being Members of the Executive Board, in Fact means that they have the Power to Execute/ SIGN for the Bank. I would have anticipated the former UBS employee would know this. It most likely IS real, but if a copy is sent to the Bank asking if this could be real, either there will be no reply or they would state it is false. Don't get involved.

Happy New Year

[Watching from Cyprus]

Lets add a short story I read today....not that I consider it correct but as we are playing 'Cluedo' it may help solve the crime??



After WWI the Treaty of Versailles was set up to help rebuild the world and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) was created by the founders of the Federal Reserve. All the gold in Europe—and, it appears, everywhere else—went to the US Government in exchange for these Series 1934 safe keeping receipts / bonds. It is rumored that 8 ships departed China for the US with gold so it could not be by looted by the Japanese occupiers. In 1998 the 60 year hold ended, the boxes were dug up, and the people who originally gave their gold for paper wanted it back. The US said no such exchange occurred. Later, in a secret court in the Hague, the US lost the litigation of the claim and was ordered to turn over the gold by September 11, 2001. The US did not turn over the gold and the Twin Towers were attacked, accompanied by a mysterious collapse of the World Trade Center number 7. Few knew the gold vaults were under building number 7, and fewer knew they were discovered to be empty after the collapsed structure was excavated down to the vault levels. No doubt this was the heist of the century.

Excellent! :thumbsup:

Here's the source:


https://international-due-diligence.org/usa-1934-series-bonds

Scroll down, and you see thumbnail images of the boxes, or very similar boxes — though links to the large images no longer work. You have to go to Google Reverse Image Search to go further. Follow this link with interest. (We need Indigris' shovel (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105519-Yamashlta-s-gold&p=1266735&viewfull=1#post1266735) not to dig for gold, but to dig for more info. :) )


https://google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitVOTmDk4TpZGWZ6Mg53uF64CCMiC9Om_1N0PlNZE9g73-dIbq_1MXsXYk2ngpmDpc4EstqF2qy84Fh3wJOp_1jqIH2pkVoecUsCrEVaIPEg1Dd3DimaFj9XRFE2ZP5A8cTfK3y4Wjx7cwIc4U Hjyx3QiUzZIoUTseMjiqAskR2h48YG0XwaYLfxOWhN0F8zDz-1IkMdxLlb_1aGJjBBk8Wccb-RnOxuJed07vPWOw7l794qK6MPj3D9xf-2dgY0ByG9dxhnkyNXGVwWm-H6bEkK8HvrYJp99b4VyviQHxW9FMP0Qus97ciUqSrSX4GueOALAi9FyRNzV8XHZdLtSt9txWr5bdBsfBLcy-T0VXPdSVXCuPj3jU

Here's the right-angle turn here: it appears the boxes (13 of them, the article says) didn't contain GOLD. They contained BONDS.

And the famous $2.3 Trillion missing also fits nicely here ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpSBUgbxBU

[shaberon]

excuse my ignorance but I just dont understand why gold is so pricy even before the electronics age.

It is rare, hard to get, and does not corrode. Metals are basically underworld wealth, according to the scale of rarity and durability. For instance, aluminum, which requires electricity to work with, was originally a precious metal worth at least as much as gold. It was made in ingots presented to royalty in France, and the capstone of the Washington Monument is six pounds of the stuff. As time rolled by, with better mining equipment and more electricity, production skyrocketed and the value went away.

Gold is fairly unique. It resists magnetism. There are not many yellow metals, not many red such as copper, they are almost all white (silver). Because it can only be gained in an easy to measure, limited way, the value cannot be watered down as with the many metals found in abundance. Because it is unique, it cannot be faked very well. Because it is soft, aside from electronics, it has little use other than storing value. Copper is actually a better conductor of electricity; the reason gold is used is due to the lack of corrosion. Platinum is rare and corrosion-resistant, but it is much harder, and was scarcely known to exist before around the 1700s.

It's about the only thing you can dig up that looks like the sun, and stainless, everlasting beauty is the underworld symbol of the soul. Today, I am blackened, rusty iron; if presented with a chunk of gold, my options are greed, or to become like it. So it is both a metaphor and an actual substance expressing the human condition.

[chrifri]

After my post I did some more research. According to the information I found, Peter Davis was not CFO of UBS AG. He and Rolf Meyer (the 2 signatories on one of the copies) were members of the group executive board. Signing documents that have nothing to do with their duties as board members is very strange and I would say impossible. Of course, by coincidence, at that time, there could have been 2 other gentlemen with the exact same names, holding similar positions (another Rolf Meyer holding a vice president position could have been possible, however a Peter Davis as CFO most probably not). To me it rather seems that somebody has picked these names to make the document seemingly important. Which in my opinion it definitely is not. Further I have checked the UBS 2002 Financial Report. According to that report there was no business unit with the name Union Bank of Switzerland. By the way, I worked for UBS before and some time after the merger (before at the previous Union Bank of Switzerland). I can confirm that after the merger there were very strict rules NOT to use the name of Union Bank of Switzerland anymore. Having seen copies of other counterfeit documents during my "bankers" time I am convinced that the 2 documents are false.

Thank you! :sun: Being Members of the Executive Board, in Fact means that they have the Power to Execute/ SIGN for the Bank. I would have anticipated the former UBS employee would know this. It most likely IS real, but if a copy is sent to the Bank asking if this could be real, either there will be no reply or they would state it is false. Don't get involved.

Happy New Year

Yes, of course, a member of the executive board can sign for and on behalf of the bank. However, there is no way that a executive board member would have signed a document in the name of Union Bank of Switzerland in the year 2002, due to the fact that in 2002 Union Bank of Switzerland did not exist anymore. In 1998 Union Bank of Switzerland and Swiss Bank Corporation merged and since then the official name of the new, merged bank is/was UBS AG. According to the UBS 2002 Financial Report, in 2002 there were still some group companies with names like, UBS Warburg, UBS Paine Webber and one or two other companies with the name UBS and something, but NO Union Bank of Switzerland. It is OK to believe that the Yama... gold exists. It might even be so. However, the copies of these documents, are counterfeit and therefore do not hold as any proof.

[Watching from Cyprus]

After my post I did some more research. According to the information I found, Peter Davis was not CFO of UBS AG. He and Rolf Meyer (the 2 signatories on one of the copies) were members of the group executive board. Signing documents that have nothing to do with their duties as board members is very strange and I would say impossible. Of course, by coincidence, at that time, there could have been 2 other gentlemen with the exact same names, holding similar positions (another Rolf Meyer holding a vice president position could have been possible, however a Peter Davis as CFO most probably not). To me it rather seems that somebody has picked these names to make the document seemingly important. Which in my opinion it definitely is not. Further I have checked the UBS 2002 Financial Report. According to that report there was no business unit with the name Union Bank of Switzerland. By the way, I worked for UBS before and some time after the merger (before at the previous Union Bank of Switzerland). I can confirm that after the merger there were very strict rules NOT to use the name of Union Bank of Switzerland anymore. Having seen copies of other counterfeit documents during my "bankers" time I am convinced that the 2 documents are false.

Thank you! :sun: Being Members of the Executive Board, in Fact means that they have the Power to Execute/ SIGN for the Bank. I would have anticipated the former UBS employee would know this. It most likely IS real, but if a copy is sent to the Bank asking if this could be real, either there will be no reply or they would state it is false. Don't get involved.

Happy New Year

Yes, of course, a member of the executive board can sign for and on behalf of the bank. However, there is no way that a executive board member would have signed a document in the name of Union Bank of Switzerland in the year 2002, due to the fact that in 2002 Union Bank of Switzerland did not exist anymore. In 1998 Union Bank of Switzerland and Swiss Bank Corporation merged and since then the official name of the new, merged bank is/was UBS AG. According to the UBS 2002 Financial Report, in 2002 there were still some group companies with names like, UBS Warburg, UBS Paine Webber and one or two other companies with the name UBS and something, but NO Union Bank of Switzerland. It is OK to believe that the Yama... gold exists. It might even be so. However, the copies of these documents, are counterfeit and therefore do not hold as any proof.

Thank you for repeating although it was already clear and understood about Union Bank of Switzerland, who was also known as Schweizerische Bankgesellschaft (SBG) and Schweizeriche Bankgesellschaft is an active Swiss company entity yet today. ... As Jordan Maxwell says, Nothing in this world is as we think it is, NOTHING ;-) Love and light from Peter

[chrifri]

After my post I did some more research. According to the information I found, Peter Davis was not CFO of UBS AG. He and Rolf Meyer (the 2 signatories on one of the copies) were members of the group executive board. Signing documents that have nothing to do with their duties as board members is very strange and I would say impossible. Of course, by coincidence, at that time, there could have been 2 other gentlemen with the exact same names, holding similar positions (another Rolf Meyer holding a vice president position could have been possible, however a Peter Davis as CFO most probably not). To me it rather seems that somebody has picked these names to make the document seemingly important. Which in my opinion it definitely is not. Further I have checked the UBS 2002 Financial Report. According to that report there was no business unit with the name Union Bank of Switzerland. By the way, I worked for UBS before and some time after the merger (before at the previous Union Bank of Switzerland). I can confirm that after the merger there were very strict rules NOT to use the name of Union Bank of Switzerland anymore. Having seen copies of other counterfeit documents during my "bankers" time I am convinced that the 2 documents are false.

Thank you! :sun: Being Members of the Executive Board, in Fact means that they have the Power to Execute/ SIGN for the Bank. I would have anticipated the former UBS employee would know this. It most likely IS real, but if a copy is sent to the Bank asking if this could be real, either there will be no reply or they would state it is false. Don't get involved.

Happy New Year

Yes, of course, a member of the executive board can sign for and on behalf of the bank. However, there is no way that a executive board member would have signed a document in the name of Union Bank of Switzerland in the year 2002, due to the fact that in 2002 Union Bank of Switzerland did not exist anymore. In 1998 Union Bank of Switzerland and Swiss Bank Corporation merged and since then the official name of the new, merged bank is/was UBS AG. According to the UBS 2002 Financial Report, in 2002 there were still some group companies with names like, UBS Warburg, UBS Paine Webber and one or two other companies with the name UBS and something, but NO Union Bank of Switzerland. It is OK to believe that the Yama... gold exists. It might even be so. However, the copies of these documents, are counterfeit and therefore do not hold as any proof.

Thank you for repeating although it was already clear and understood about Union Bank of Switzerland, who was also known as Schweizerische Bankgesellschaft (SBG) and Schweizeriche Bankgesellschaft is an active Swiss company entity yet today. ... As Jordan Maxwell says, Nothing in this world is as we think it is, NOTHING ;-) Love and light from Peter

Dear Peter
My intention with my posts was simply to let you know that UBS document is a counterfeit. With that information I hoped to give members sufficient information in order not to waste time doing any research on the document That is all.
Being a gold bug since the year 2000 and therefore following the gold market on a daily basis, the Yama.. story came to my attention a couple of times. So far there was no information that in my opinion did indicate that the gold exists. Although personally I have my doubts, I am aware that the story could be true.
My previous posts were not intended to discuss if this gold exists or not and I would not have posted at all if I would not have seen the documents that are false.
If you want to believe that the Union Bank of Switzerland document is OK, that is perfectly fine with me. If you want to spent your precious time to do some research on that, that of course is perfectly fine with me as well.
In any case, following a few additional comments to consider.
First of all I'd like to apologize for apparently not having made my research about UBS correctly. The 2 gentlemen that apparently have signed the document were not members of the group executive board in 2002 but both were NON executive members of the Board of Directors. According to the UBS handbook 2002, page 95, https://www.ubs.com/global/en/about_ubs/investor_relations/annualreporting/archive.html, Davis was Member of the Audit Committee and Meyer Chairman of the Compensation Committee.
Neither, being a NON executive member of the Board of Directors, nor the committees they were active for, would have given them the authority or a reason to sign a guarantee.
On page 6 of the financial report 2002 the following comment can be found "The legal and commercial name of the company is UBS AG. The company was formed on 29 June 1998, when X bank and Y bank merged." On page 154 to 156 you can find a list of all UBS companies. I might have overseen something but I was not able to find a company in the name of Union Bank of Switzerland.
Regarding Schweizerische Bankgesellschaft (SBG). It seems that we use different sources to get the information about UBS. In this case I checked the official Swiss Commercial Register. There are a few companies that use SBG but according to the official Register "Schweizerische Bankgesellschaft" does not exist anymore. https://www.zefix.ch/en/search/entity/list?name=schweizerische%20bankgesellschaft&searchType=undefined and https://www.zefix.ch/de/search/entity/list?name=sbg&searchType=undefined.
I do understand that on the net there might be information that does say otherwise. But the official Swiss Commercial Register to me, seems to be the correct source to find out if X company is active and registered. For information about ubs, to me it seems that one should use their offical webpage.
A final comment regarding the document. Just looking at the document, a few inconsistencies can be observed. Shaberon made already a few comments before and I fully agree on them. Just one example of a inconsistency is, that on top of the document the name is indicated as Union Bank of Switzerland and in the very last print the correct name UBS AG is given.
Again, my intention with my previous comments is not to be the one that is "right". My ego does not command at all to be so. All I hope is that my comments do help to concentrate ones attention on the important stuff and not waste time where it does not make sense. Regards,

[Bill Ryan]

A brief note here. (A general one!)

I very much appreciate all the interesting input on this thread. Avalon at its best. :sun:

I don't have a horse in this race, though I did start the thread... and I am currently persuaded that the gold did exist. (The book The Gold Warriors (http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Sterling%20Seagrave%2C%20Peggy%20Seagrave%20-%20Gold%20Warriors%20-%20America's%20Secret%20Recovery%20of%20Yama****a's%20gold.pdf), I find compelling and fascinating.) But I do very much welcome all and any informed comment. This is how we all learn.

:focus:

[amor]

So Bill--is it your belief that the USA has the gold supposedly extracted from the ocean bottom which I read elsewhere in a youtube video is worth quadrillions a fake or true story? If true, it would dig the USA out of debt and free us in world trade, regardless of OIL and no longer being the world currency in which all is traded.

An extra thought is that the last Czar of Russia, gave into the care of the Emperor of Japan a huge amount of Gold for safe keeping. This was gold crossing Siberia towards the Pacific. I also read something about a bank in Austria having a similar hoard which was then transferred to the Emperor of Japan. The same article said something about that Emperor and his family not being the legitimate Emperor of Japan. The global robbery of the Czar and all he legally owned which was HIS is a scandal waiting to erupt!

[Dennis Leahy]

Hi Bill, fascinating story - and gold always gets everyone's attention. Are there any pictures of the gold?

You mentioned that you met one of the people who transported ______ to Switzerland. Did they say they also transported the gold itself, or was it just these shellacked brass certificates?

This makes me wonder if the Fed would honor the certificates, or just laugh and say no, or say they are a hoax. If they honored them, would they laugh, print up 3 trillion in extremely large Federal Reserve Notes, laugh some more, and pay up in paper? Who could force the Federal Reserve to pay up in gold?

[Bill Ryan]

:bump: :bump: :bump:

[Ravenlocke]

About the book, Gold Warriors,

Gold Warriors - America’s Secret Recovery Japan's Gold after WW2 by Sterling & Peggy Seagrave

BLACK GOLD:
In 1945, American Intelligence officers in Manila discovered that the Japanese had hidden large quantities of gold bullion and other looted treasure in the Philippines. President Truman decided to recover the gold, but to keep its recovery secret. The treasure—gold, platinum, barrels of diamonds and gemstones plundered by Japan from all of East and Southeast Asia—would be combined with Nazi loot recovered in Europe to create a worldwide American political action fund to fight communism.

This ‘Black Gold’ gave Washington virtually limitless unvouchered
funds for covert operations. According to CIA officials, between 1945 and 1947 the gold bullion was secretly moved to 176 accounts at banks in 42 countries. This provided an asset base to reinforce the treasuries of America’s allies, to bribe political and military leaders, and to manipulate elections in foreign countries. Other treasure was recovered inside Japan during the U.S. Occupation. General MacArthur, President Truman, John Foster Dulles, and a handful of others, knew all about the hidden plunder. Every president since Harry Truman has been involved in
covering up the existence of these secret funds.

https://x.com/PinkCerberus/status/1766385832242389006

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[Ravenlocke]

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You like gold do ya?

"Gold Warriors: America's Secret Recovery of Yama****a's Gold" by Sterling and Peggy Seagrave delves into the concealed history of vast treasures looted by the Japanese Imperial Army during World War II. The book reveals how, in 1945, U.S. intelligence officers in Manila uncovered that the Japanese had hidden large quantities of gold bullion and other valuables in the Philippines. Instead of returning this wealth to its rightful owners, President Truman decided to keep the discovery secret, using the treasure to create a covert political action fund aimed at combating communism. This "Black Gold" provided the U.S. with unaccountable funds to influence global politics, bribe leaders, and manipulate foreign elections for over fifty years.

The Seagraves meticulously document the systematic looting conducted by the Japanese under the directive of Emperor Hirohito and his inner circle. As defeat loomed, much of this plunder, known as "Yama****a's Gold," was buried in hidden tunnels and caverns throughout the Philippines. The book also explores the subsequent involvement of various entities, including the CIA, the Vatican, and political figures like Ferdinand Marcos, in recovering and utilizing these hidden assets. The authors provide extensive evidence and firsthand accounts, challenging established historical narratives and shedding light on one of the most significant cover-ups of the 20th century.

For those interested in a deeper understanding of this topic, the Seagraves' work offers a comprehensive and eye-opening perspective on the intersection of war, treasure, and global politics.

For a visual overview, you might find this video informative:
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And at the time, and to this day, the mainstream, legacy media turned the whole thing about the gold, the Philippines and Ferdinand Marcos into a fiasco about Marcos’ wife’s excessive number of women’s shoes that she had stacked in her walk-in closets in their opulent, ostentatious home. Total diversion and distraction.

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⚱️🔱🏆 Where did the all the stolen gold from WWII end up?

Yama****a’s Gold 🏴‍☠️💰
Legend has it that Japanese General Yama****a Tomoyuki hid a massive treasure in the Philippines 🇵🇭 during WWII. Some believe it was later secretly moved to the U.S. 🇺🇸.

Operation Golden Lily 🏆🎖️
A WWII operation where Japan looted treasure across Asia 🌏. Some say the U.S. recovered part of it and kept it hidden for secret missions 🕵️‍♂️💼.

Historical Records 📜🔍
No official proof exists, but books like Gold Warriors claim the U.S. government was involved in recovering and possibly redistributing the gold 🏦🤫.

Lack of Proof ❓🚫
Despite many stories and theories, no solid evidence—like official documents—has ever surfaced 🧐🔎 although historical records point to much of the gold ending up in the USA 🇺🇸

Cultural Impact 🎬📖
The mystery of hidden WWII gold has fueled books, movies, and real-life treasure hunts 🏝️🔦

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