Causes of the Ice Age and Nova, the Greatest Secret of the United States. Important Info!

[neutronstar]

Every once in a great while I find some information that blows me away. This lecture has to take the cake. I am not into disaster, end of the world predictions, but I am not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore information when it is very compelling. Astronomy is a subject I have always been interested in, you can probably tell by my username. I have always had a suspicion that there are a lot of theories that are wrong. The big bang being the biggest. I have watched these videos a few times and I think there is a lot of truth in them. If nothing else it needs to be brought to light and discussed.

Although I am not sold on how he comes up with the date that the sun will nova, I am convinced that it will, I just don't know when.

So what is this about?
Our sun is a clock that novas every 12068 years. That is what causes the ice age. At the same time the earths magnetic poles reverse. Because the earths rotation is caused by the magnetic field, when it flips, the earth stops rotating. This all happens within a day. As crazy as this sounds, he presents a lot of information (much of it in mainstream science journals) that is hard to dispute.

This information can explain a lot of what they are doing, such as all the DUMB's they are creating as well as why they are spraying our sky, which if this is true, I can justify their actions. He presents the evidence that this is why they created NASA, why they when to the moon, and what they found scared the **** out of them.

I am interested in all of your opinions. This could be a very fascinating discussion.


I was lead to this information by SuspiciousObserver who is currently doing a few videos on the subject. It was interesting, but I wanted to go to the source.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMr-5HHnAmU

Actually the video above is the first two videos below, put together. Sorry


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQoMHt4UZZY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdlWS8pnwEE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS_yq19Af-s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-g4Xt-VVzA

[greybeard]

Thanks neotronstar.
Ive been convinced for some time that these events are cylic.
I am downloading the videos you posted--I find it easier to watch in segments.
There is a lot of information on u tube about cyclic events and advanced civilizations that got virtually wipe out.
Chris

[justntime2learn]

Ben Davidson of Suspicious Observers started doing a series on micro Nova last week. I wonder if all the helium-3 On the Dark Side of the Moon came from one of these "shotgun blasts"micro nova ?

Ben Davidson is convinced that this is a reoccurring cycle with the evidence not only on Earth, but in the moon samples as well.

Ben goes into depth on how this relates to the mini ice age.

Here are the two episodes so far:

jTUJ7GtEx0Y

5vKwu9AqX8c

Suspicious observers just released this video that also may be of interest:

mpvQcRXToIA

[lake]

Just saying lol ....


In that case Alpha Centauri is now so near that it introduces a disturbing effect equal to about one-sixth of the effect needed to cause glaciation on the earth. Sirius and perhaps others of the nearer and brighter or larger stars may also create appreciable disturbances in the electrical condition of the sun's atmosphere, and may have done so to a much greater degree in the past, or be destined to do so in the future.

Thus an electrical hypothesis of solar disturbances seems to indicate that the position of the sun in respect to other stars may be a factor of great importance in determining the earth's climate.

[Savannah]

"This information can explain a lot of what they are doing, such as all the DUMB's they are creating as well as why they are spraying our sky, which if this is true, I can justify their actions. He presents the evidence that this is why they created NASA, why they when to the moon, and what they found scared the **** out of them."


Yes would agree see my post #18 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105514-What-s-in-store-for-2019-Serious-forecasts-and-predictions-please.&highlight=2019


Catherine Austin Fits
https://home.solari.com/?s=missing+money

She talked about the missing government money and proposed that money was used toward the secret space program but I think it was also used to build the underground bases. This was also mentioned on the weather thread. There is certainly no way the world governments don’t know this is coming. The global warming psy op was used to cover up what they knew would be weather changes.

The only way to survive would be underground or off planet. The world will reset and thus they plan to return.



“Dr. Richard Sauder ‘s second book Underwater and Underground Bases is an explosive, eye-opening sequel to his best-selling, Underground Bases and Tunnels: What is the Government Trying to Hide? Dr. Sauder lays out the amazing evidence and government paper trail for the construction of huge, manned bases offshore, in mid-ocean, and deep beneath the sea floor! Bases big enough to secretly dock submarines! Official United States Navy documents, and other hard evidence, raise many questions about what really lies 20,000 leagues beneath the sea. Many UFOs have been seen coming and going from the world’s oceans, seas and lakes, implying the existence of secret underwater bases. Hold on to your hats: Jules Verne may not have been so far from the truth, after all! Dr. Sauder also adds to his incredible database of underground bases onshore. New, breakthrough material reveals the existence of additional clandestine underground facilities as well as the surprising location of one of the CIA’s own underground bases. Plus, new information on tunneling and cutting-edge, high speed rail magnetic-levitation (MagLev) technology. Amazon

Again we have all of it, it is just a matter of connecting the dots. They have known for quite some time.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...a+declassified


Continuity of government:
(COG) is the principle of establishing defined procedures that allow a government to continue its essential operations in case of a catastrophic event such as nuclear war.
COG was developed by the British government before and during World War II to counter threats, such as that of the Luftwaffe bombing during the Battle of Britain. The need for continuity of government plans gained new urgency with nuclear proliferation.

During and after the Cold War countries developed such plans to avoid (or minimize) confusion and disorder due to a power vacuum in the aftermath of a nuclear attack.
In the US at least, COG is no longer limited to nuclear emergencies; the Continuity of Operations Plan was activated following the September 11 attacks
Continuity of government (COG) is the principle of establishing defined procedures that allow a government to continue its essential operations in case of a catastrophic event such as nuclear war.

Continuity of the national government was first threatened in late 1776, when British forces advanced toward the Continental capital at Philadelphia. On December 9 the Continental Congress passed a resolution in anticipation of a British capture:

Resolved: That in case this Congress shall be under the necessity of removing from Philadelphia, it shall be adjourned to Baltimore.
The Congress was adjourned as planned three days later.[17] Other relocations followed during the course of the Revolutionary War.

For most of its existence, the United States operated without a standing continuity plan. When British forces burned Washington in 1814, Secretary of State James Monroe received only a few hours' notice to remove the government records. Although his staff saved many valuable records, much was nonetheless destroyed, and the next administration encountered a great deal of confusion.[18]

In 1952 President Truman ordered all federal offices to develop their own continuity plans for the event of a civil defense emergency. Plans have been maintained and adapted since then, at times requiring the construction of secret facilities such as the emergency Congress facility in Greenbrier County, West Virginia. The current continuity policy is defined in National Security Policy Directive 51[19] and its implementation plan.[20] The continuity plan was activated for the first time during the September 11, 2001 attacks.[from Wikipedia –yes, yes I know but’s it ok for some basic info)


Also see:
https://emilms.fema.gov/IS546.a/COOPsummary.htm
Budgeting and Acquisition of Resources

To support the people, communications, facilities, infrastructure, and transportation requirements for a viable continuity program, agencies must allocate funding to:
• Acquire the resources.
• Engage the resources and implement the plan.
By budgeting and acquiring required resources, agency leaders will ensure that the agency has what it needs to continue essential functions before, during, and after a continuity event.

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[greybeard]

Exciting times for sure.
Chris

[neutronstar]

Exciting times for sure.
Chris

Yes, for sure. Can you imagine surviving the blast, and standing on the coast and watch the ocean rapidly move away from you, and then a few hours later see a wall of water rushing to you from the other side, because the earth stopped rotating. That is just crazy to think about. Of coarse the wind speed would be 100s of mph. as well.

[5th]

"Our sun is a clock that novas every 12068 years."

Nobody can know that, certainly not to such precision. Just as we laugh at the scientists of 100 years ago, so people will laugh at this in the future...

OK, an interesting theory that may have some truth in it but it cannot be presented as if they actually know for sure what they are talking about.

And as for Savannah's "There is certainly no way the world governments don’t know this is coming." I think you are crediting governments with a lot more intelligence than they have. Firstly, it's not certain that it is coming and secondly, governments are self serving idiots who are not privvy to the knowledge held by the few elite behind governments.

[neutronstar]

Thanks neotronstar.
Ive been convinced for some time that these events are cylic.
I am downloading the videos you posted--I find it easier to watch in segments.
There is a lot of information on u tube about cyclic events and advanced civilizations that got virtually wipe out.
Chris

The first one is the 2 and 3 put together. I posted one to many, sorry.

[neutronstar]

"Our sun is a clock that novas every 12068 years."

Nobody can know that, certainly not to such precision. Just as we laugh at the scientists of 100 years ago, so people will laugh at this in the future...


.

Actually he details how he comes to that number and to me, it is convincing.

[Savannah]

And as for Savannah's "There is certainly no way the world governments don’t know this is coming." I think you are crediting governments with a lot more intelligence than they have. Firstly, it's not certain that it is coming and secondly, governments are self serving idiots who are not privvy to the knowledge held by the few elite behind governments.[/QUOTE]


Actually Vogt talks quite a bit about why he thinks the government has been involved since around 1957 and how they have controlled the science to cover it all up.

[DeDukshyn]

Somebody didn't watch the videos ... ;)

(disclaimer: I didn't either, so that means I currently have no comment on the theories presented)

[cursichella1]

In the US at least, COG is no longer limited to nuclear emergencies; the Continuity of Operations Plan was activated following the September 11 attacks
Continuity of government (COG) is the principle of establishing defined procedures that allow a government to continue its essential operations in case of a catastrophic event such as nuclear war.

This is correct and explains the behavior in D.C. and now the blatant undermining of the Trump presidency--illegal Constitutionally but legal since The Constitution went out the window when COG came into play.

The 9/11 COG was never rescinded by Congress. Trump is an outsider and not part of the COG, so illegitimate in their eyes and unfortunately, they have the "legal" upperhand--only it's "classified" so they're going through other motions to "delegitimize" him for the public's sake. Clinton and Obama were and I imagine still are part of COG. COG basically legitimizes the Deep State and until this is exposed the U.S. is screwed, it's citizens are fooled and Hillary and her imps will remain protected and running things. Oh yeah, then there are these solar surprises we may have to deal with.

Apologies for running off topic but it's THE factor we must understand in order to see the Big Picture.

[5th]

Somebody didn't watch the videos ... ;)


True - far to long! Probably long enough in fact to befuddle and brainwash anyone who watches. I think given a clever enough presentation people can be convinced of anything. In other threads people believe in 'Mind Control' and we know how easy it is to sway people's opinions but hey, doesn't apply to us...

[greybeard]

Im wading through the videos and tho I dont claim to understand--I get the essence of it.
Its amazing that any one survived yet some did survive quite a few separate mass extinctions.
Its in the female DNA, a video I posted some time ago on Yellowstone explains this.
Nothing taken for granted and I like to cross check from wide ranging viewpoints--Edgar Cayce reaings for one source.
Various accounts of the sun rising in the West--setting in the East--three days of darkness--one side--three days light another side--thats in ancient text.
Reversal a fact--massive wave a fact--three miles high probable--sea shels etc found in the high hills of Scotland
I think the videos explain well, particularly for those who have some experience of assimilating scientific data--not me.

Chris

[greybeard]

Watched this Suspicious Observers video.
I certainly trust his take on this subject.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vKwu9AqX8c

[Sunny-side-up]

All is totally Cyclic.
Around and around we all go, along with everything in creation.

[Savannah]

https://twitter.com/TomMontalk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmontalk.net%2F

Tom Montalk Tweeted a link to the video also and noted "Ties into the Galactic Superwave theory and Atlantis-level cataclysms that even Fulcanelli warned about"

[neutronstar]

Somebody didn't watch the videos ... ;)


True - far to long! Probably long enough in fact to befuddle and brainwash anyone who watches. I think given a clever enough presentation people can be convinced of anything. In other threads people believe in 'Mind Control' and we know how easy it is to sway people's opinions but hey, doesn't apply to us...

I don't want to insult you, so please don't take it this way, but choosing to not listen to information because you are afraid of being brainwashed sounds like a very ignorant statement. Also not being able to read anything longer than a few sentences, or not being able to watch something that is longer than a few minutes seems to be a growing problem in today's society. How can anyone expect to learn anything that way.

If you are worried about being brainwashed stop listening to 5 min soundbites and start reading and listening to things that take time to learn and digest.

[neutronstar]

In the US at least, COG is no longer limited to nuclear emergencies; the Continuity of Operations Plan was activated following the September 11 attacks
Continuity of government (COG) is the principle of establishing defined procedures that allow a government to continue its essential operations in case of a catastrophic event such as nuclear war.

This is correct and explains the behavior in D.C. and now the blatant undermining of the Trump presidency--illegal Constitutionally but legal since The Constitution went out the window when COG came into play.

The 9/11 COG was never rescinded by Congress. Trump is an outsider and not part of the COG, so illegitimate in their eyes and unfortunately, they have the "legal" upperhand--only it's "classified" so they're going through other motions to "delegitimize" him for the public's sake. Clinton and Obama were and I imagine still are part of COG. COG basically legitimizes the Deep State and until this is exposed the U.S. is screwed, it's citizens are fooled and Hillary and her imps will remain protected and running things. Oh yeah, then there are these solar surprises we may have to deal with.

Apologies for running off topic but it's THE factor we must understand in order to see the Big Picture.

No apologies, this subject can go so many directions and I would like this thread to explore them.

As far as COG, not proven but Q mentioned that their bolthole for COG is Arlington National Cemetery and it is closed for business. Speculation was that the military was standing in front of the entrances saying closed, was what the envelopes at GHWB's funeral had a pic of. Again just rumor.

[neutronstar]

Im wading through the videos and tho I dont claim to understand--I get the essence of it.
Its amazing that any one survived yet some did survive quite a few separate mass extinctions.
Its in the female DNA, a video I posted some time ago on Yellowstone explains this.
Nothing taken for granted and I like to cross check from wide ranging viewpoints--Edgar Cayce reaings for one source.
Various accounts of the sun rising in the West--setting in the East--three days of darkness--one side--three days light another side--thats in ancient text.
Reversal a fact--massive wave a fact--three miles high probable--sea shels etc found in the high hills of Scotland
I think the videos explain well, particularly for those who have some experience of assimilating scientific data--not me.

Chris

I Agree Chris.

Dr. Robert Schoch believes we were hit by a massive CME 12000 years ago from his data. A massive CME and a Nova would produce similar evidence.

[5th]

I don't want to insult you, so please don't take it this way, but choosing to not listen to information because you are afraid of being brainwashed sounds like a very ignorant statement. Also not being able to read anything longer than a few sentences, or not being able to watch something that is longer than a few minutes seems to be a growing problem in today's society. How can anyone expect to learn anything that way.

If you are worried about being brainwashed stop listening to 5 min soundbites and start reading and listening to things that take time to learn and digest.

LOL, I don't want to insult you but you totally misunderstand me.

I'm not afraid of being brainwashed and that's not my reason for not watching.

Anyone who actually watches the over 3 hours must surely have been convinced early on. Every possible view has been put forward in ten thousand videos, so should we watch them all? Science has no possible way to know what happened tens of thousands of years ago, or how the sun really works so I simply choose not to listen.

That said, there must be some useful information in it for sure but I lose interest when I hear people claiming to know things to impossible precision. Also, when something is entitled 'The Greatest Secret' (how many are there?) I get put off. No matter how convincing the videos it's just not worth 3 hours of my time.

Life will go on regardless and I have no fears about the sun going nova or an ice age ending my life before my time. We've heard such tales over and over for the last 50 years and this is just another one that will be forgotten in five years time.

Why do we focus on all these negative scenarios? It's just not going to happen in my world. Instead we should focus on a positive future where things get better. Avalon is full of many years of such forecasts of gloom, almost non of which have come to pass...

Interest in such things is a reflection of our inner state, not outer reality.

[neutronstar]

I don't want to insult you, so please don't take it this way, but choosing to not listen to information because you are afraid of being brainwashed sounds like a very ignorant statement. Also not being able to read anything longer than a few sentences, or not being able to watch something that is longer than a few minutes seems to be a growing problem in today's society. How can anyone expect to learn anything that way.

If you are worried about being brainwashed stop listening to 5 min soundbites and start reading and listening to things that take time to learn and digest.

I simply choose not to listen.



Then why choose to post on this thread?

[greybeard]

Well it came to pass on previous occasions--that is fact.
No fear you are not the body.
Its part of the adventure of spirit --
A new root race 2036 Edgar Cayce.
All a may be so in my world.
Its interesting--that why the interest.
Those grounded in Non-duality will have only interest.
We come we go.
Chris

[DeDukshyn]

Im wading through the videos and tho I dont claim to understand--I get the essence of it.
Its amazing that any one survived yet some did survive quite a few separate mass extinctions.
Its in the female DNA, a video I posted some time ago on Yellowstone explains this.
Nothing taken for granted and I like to cross check from wide ranging viewpoints--Edgar Cayce reaings for one source.
Various accounts of the sun rising in the West--setting in the East--three days of darkness--one side--three days light another side--thats in ancient text.
Reversal a fact--massive wave a fact--three miles high probable--sea shels etc found in the high hills of Scotland
I think the videos explain well, particularly for those who have some experience of assimilating scientific data--not me.

Chris

Lake Titicaca ... ~10,000 feet above sea level - overwhelming evidence the lake was once entirely filled with ocean water - including species only found in the salt water oceans, but that have mysteriously adapted to fresh water and currently live in the lake, although the lake is still fairly saline. Researchers figure that the lakes turnover is about 1000 years - long enough for small creatures to have slowly adapted from saltwater living to freshwater - over thousands of generations.

For me, these facts are enough to tell that either that lake was much closer to sea level at some point ... or the ocean somehow made it up there at some point in time. There's not really any other possibility.

[neutronstar]

Im wading through the videos and tho I dont claim to understand--I get the essence of it.
Its amazing that any one survived yet some did survive quite a few separate mass extinctions.
Its in the female DNA, a video I posted some time ago on Yellowstone explains this.
Nothing taken for granted and I like to cross check from wide ranging viewpoints--Edgar Cayce reaings for one source.
Various accounts of the sun rising in the West--setting in the East--three days of darkness--one side--three days light another side--thats in ancient text.
Reversal a fact--massive wave a fact--three miles high probable--sea shels etc found in the high hills of Scotland
I think the videos explain well, particularly for those who have some experience of assimilating scientific data--not me.

Chris

Lake Titicaca ... ~10,000 feet above sea level - overwhelming evidence the lake was once entirely filled with ocean water - including species only found in the salt water oceans, but that have mysteriously adapted to fresh water and currently live in the lake, although the lake is still fairly saline. Researchers figure that the lakes turnover is about 1000 years - long enough for small creatures to have slowly adapted from saltwater living to freshwater - over thousands of generations.

For me, these facts are enough to tell that either that lake was much closer to sea level at some point ... or the ocean somehow made it up there at some point in time. There's not really any other possibility.

Something that has always baffled me until now is where did all the fish in the lakes come from when they were made by melting glaziers.

[neutronstar]

Well it came to pass on previous occasions--that is fact.
No fear you are not the body.
Its part of the adventure of spirit --
A new root race 2036 Edgar Cayce.
All a may be so in my world.
Its interesting--that why the interest.
Those grounded in Non-duality will have only interest.
We come we go.
Chris

My beliefs as well, which is why there is a part of me that would really like it to happen in my lifetime. What a way to go back home (spiritual home) or what an experience to live through. Imagine coming back up to the surface and the planet has been wiped clean of all traces of our civilization. A new start. It is an experience that would really drill into us just how small we are, like the microbes that live on our skin. Imagine what they go threw every time we take a shower. :bigsmile:

[DeDukshyn]

Im wading through the videos and tho I dont claim to understand--I get the essence of it.
Its amazing that any one survived yet some did survive quite a few separate mass extinctions.
Its in the female DNA, a video I posted some time ago on Yellowstone explains this.
Nothing taken for granted and I like to cross check from wide ranging viewpoints--Edgar Cayce reaings for one source.
Various accounts of the sun rising in the West--setting in the East--three days of darkness--one side--three days light another side--thats in ancient text.
Reversal a fact--massive wave a fact--three miles high probable--sea shels etc found in the high hills of Scotland
I think the videos explain well, particularly for those who have some experience of assimilating scientific data--not me.

Chris

Lake Titicaca ... ~10,000 feet above sea level - overwhelming evidence the lake was once entirely filled with ocean water - including species only found in the salt water oceans, but that have mysteriously adapted to fresh water and currently live in the lake, although the lake is still fairly saline. Researchers figure that the lakes turnover is about 1000 years - long enough for small creatures to have slowly adapted from saltwater living to freshwater - over thousands of generations.

For me, these facts are enough to tell that either that lake was much closer to sea level at some point ... or the ocean somehow made it up there at some point in time. There's not really any other possibility.

Something that has always baffled me until now is where did all the fish in the lakes come from when they were made by melting glaziers.

Well fish are actually amazingly good at swimming up stream and even up waterfalls ... ever see a salmon run? That said, I do see your point as well.

[neutronstar]

Im wading through the videos and tho I dont claim to understand--I get the essence of it.
Its amazing that any one survived yet some did survive quite a few separate mass extinctions.
Its in the female DNA, a video I posted some time ago on Yellowstone explains this.
Nothing taken for granted and I like to cross check from wide ranging viewpoints--Edgar Cayce reaings for one source.
Various accounts of the sun rising in the West--setting in the East--three days of darkness--one side--three days light another side--thats in ancient text.
Reversal a fact--massive wave a fact--three miles high probable--sea shels etc found in the high hills of Scotland
I think the videos explain well, particularly for those who have some experience of assimilating scientific data--not me.

Chris

Lake Titicaca ... ~10,000 feet above sea level - overwhelming evidence the lake was once entirely filled with ocean water - including species only found in the salt water oceans, but that have mysteriously adapted to fresh water and currently live in the lake, although the lake is still fairly saline. Researchers figure that the lakes turnover is about 1000 years - long enough for small creatures to have slowly adapted from saltwater living to freshwater - over thousands of generations.

For me, these facts are enough to tell that either that lake was much closer to sea level at some point ... or the ocean somehow made it up there at some point in time. There's not really any other possibility.

Something that has always baffled me until now is where did all the fish in the lakes come from when they were made by melting glaziers.

Well fish are actually amazingly good at swimming up stream and even up waterfalls ... ever see a salmon run? That said, I do see your point as well.

If all lakes are connected to a river, or humans could have populated them. We do it today.

One thing that came to me after hearing his lecture was remembering the movie "Knowing". In the movie the earth gets hit by a huge CME. Just be fore it dose though ET's take some children and transport them to another planet to continue our species. I wonder if that also happens. You have stories of some cultures like the Dogon who say they were brought here from Sirius.

[lake]

If all lakes are connected to a river, or humans could have populated them. We do it today.

One thing that came to me after hearing his lecture was remembering the movie "Knowing". In the movie the earth gets hit by a huge CME. Just be fore it dose though ET's take some children and transport them to another planet to continue our species. I wonder if that also happens. You have stories of some cultures like the Dogon who say they were brought here from Sirius.

If I may....no

No one is taking anyone from anywhere....and that is 'ok' as no one needs to be saved.

This is a realm and you are not a physical form.... thus neither Terra nor neutronstar require 'Et' to come save you.

Terra, as a realm.......will once again cease to be, as all supposed life upon it will.......but you get to 'replay' this narrative again and again, as you have already done over and over!

So I wouldn't worry too much about being saved to another world....but I would be concerned with the inherent, circular story being force feed?

Of course the above is only my personal drama portraying itself across the interest of possible?

[neutronstar]

If all lakes are connected to a river, or humans could have populated them. We do it today.

One thing that came to me after hearing his lecture was remembering the movie "Knowing". In the movie the earth gets hit by a huge CME. Just be fore it dose though ET's take some children and transport them to another planet to continue our species. I wonder if that also happens. You have stories of some cultures like the Dogon who say they were brought here from Sirius.

If I may....no

No one is taking anyone from anywhere....and that is 'ok' as no one needs to be saved.

This is a realm and you are not a physical form.... thus neither Terra nor neutronstar require 'Et' to come save you.

Terra, as a realm.......will once again cease to be, as all supposed life upon it will.......but you get to 'replay' this narrative again and again, as you have already done over and over!

So I wouldn't worry too much about being saved to another world....but I would be concerned with the inherent, circular story being force feed?

Of course the above is only my personal drama portraying itself across the interest of possible?

Actually, I believe we are in a virtual reality created by an information system, and in a virtual reality, anything is possible. But no I don't believe ET's are going to save me. Hell, I am an old man. I would be a waste of time. But it dose seem logical that life would spread. We would do it if we were advanced enough.

I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that there are other life forms that are so far advanced that they would do this. They are after all part of this information system. What benefits the system benefits them. We humans on the other hand look at ourselves as separate from everyone and everything. At least most humans anyway.

[DeDukshyn]

If all lakes are connected to a river, or humans could have populated them. We do it today.

One thing that came to me after hearing his lecture was remembering the movie "Knowing". In the movie the earth gets hit by a huge CME. Just be fore it dose though ET's take some children and transport them to another planet to continue our species. I wonder if that also happens. You have stories of some cultures like the Dogon who say they were brought here from Sirius.

If I may....no

No one is taking anyone from anywhere....and that is 'ok' as no one needs to be saved.

This is a realm and you are not a physical form.... thus neither Terra nor neutronstar require 'Et' to come save you.

Terra, as a realm.......will once again cease to be, as all supposed life upon it will.......but you get to 'replay' this narrative again and again, as you have already done over and over!

So I wouldn't worry too much about being saved to another world....but I would be concerned with the inherent, circular story being force feed?

Of course the above is only my personal drama portraying itself across the interest of possible?

From my perspective, there is nothing to be "saved" - but only a understanding, a learning, and a subsequent dropping of a veil that blinds us from full reality is required, and it is required, for us to "move on" in an exploratory and evolutionary sense, so that we may work comfortably to do what our initial intention was to do here, which was create and explore within the physical realm. We're struggling at that and am blinded due to our current collective pain, caused from ethereal scars of past fears. So currently, we need to process these fears and attempt to purge them from our collective, so that we may become un-blinded and un-disctracted, and return to a Golden Age of exploration and communion.


My 2 cents. ;)

[neutronstar]

If all lakes are connected to a river, or humans could have populated them. We do it today.

One thing that came to me after hearing his lecture was remembering the movie "Knowing". In the movie the earth gets hit by a huge CME. Just be fore it dose though ET's take some children and transport them to another planet to continue our species. I wonder if that also happens. You have stories of some cultures like the Dogon who say they were brought here from Sirius.

If I may....no

No one is taking anyone from anywhere....and that is 'ok' as no one needs to be saved.

This is a realm and you are not a physical form.... thus neither Terra nor neutronstar require 'Et' to come save you.

Terra, as a realm.......will once again cease to be, as all supposed life upon it will.......but you get to 'replay' this narrative again and again, as you have already done over and over!

So I wouldn't worry too much about being saved to another world....but I would be concerned with the inherent, circular story being force feed?

Of course the above is only my personal drama portraying itself across the interest of possible?

From my perspective, there is nothing to be "saved" - but only a understanding, a learning, and a subsequent dropping of a veil that blinds us from full reality is required, and it is required, for us to "move on" in an exploratory and evolutionary sense, so that we may work comfortably to do what our initial intention was to do here, which was create and explore within the physical realm. We're struggling at that and am blinded due to our current collective pain, caused from ethereal scares of past fears. So currently, we need to process these fears and attempt to purge them from our collective, so that we my become un-blinded and un-disctracted, and return to a Golden Age of exploration and communion.


My 2 cents. ;)

I would add or maybe say what you said in a different way. That it is the information system learning to interact with itself or evolving. To say it another way, it is learning to love rather than to fear. Order out of chaos. Dark to light.

[Savannah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouSvAJ1N-Xw

Vogt hypothesizes that the Universe was built by a "builder race" using a quantum computer. When I heard this I immediately thought about Jerry Wills.

Jerry Wills and his wife describe the incredible event that took place on their visit to Aramu Muru, Peru on the evening of 11 November, 1998. The site is sacred but feared by the natives that inhabit that region near to Lake Titicaca.

I have had the pleasure of talking to Jerry and being treated by him. He is truly the most remarkable human beings on Earth. His experience as described in this video has always haunted me because if you know anything about Jerry you don't just dismiss what he says. It is also not just Vogt but all the information supporting that we live a holographic Universe that now mainstream scientist are saying is true, that I feel Vogt is just one more piece of supporting evidence as well.


[yelik]

Greatest secret of the world not just the USA !!

Found the information very interesting and plausible. There are so many gaps in main stream science.

I wonder what early warning signs we might see in the weather, sun, elite activity and Government and Church rhetoric as we approach 2046.

That doorway in Peru may be one way to survive any cataclysmic event

[lake]

Well I do not know about 2046....but you may be interested in any contraction and increase of density of the mesosphere? Currently!

[Ratszinger]

I see the sun as another entity regulated by the larger body of the motion of the universe. When and if the sun were to do such a thing the outlying cause of said event would have to be the fields of energy, the forces of those fields coming together I should say, to push, or put pressure on the sun to induce it to enlarge, expand, change.

I believe this video series here is how the universe as a whole works, and it leads me to the question: what regulates those forces that regulate the bodies within the solar system? To me this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI is the biggest question.

[yelik]

To me our universe and everything within it is a living entity and sort of DNA structure which cycles through creation, development and renewal. What occurs at the sub atomic level reflects what goes on elsewhere and CERN scientists already know this.

[yelik]

Well I do not know about 2046....but you may be interested in any contraction and increase of density of the mesosphere? Currently!

Could you explain, is this data available? Am I right in thinking that if the mesosphere contracts / increases in density then the earths core is heating up?

[lake]

Well I do not know about 2046....but you may be interested in any contraction and increase of density of the mesosphere? Currently!

Could you explain, is this data available? Am I right in thinking that if the mesosphere contracts / increases in density then the earths core is heating up?

Sorry yelik my lack of precision of words is showing!

As our so very trustworthy wiki puts it:


"Mesosphere" (not to be confused with Mesosphere)

Wait....What????

I dont know, I meant Mesosphere not Mesosphere....... this isn't helping is it :blushing:

Erm, the, er, one above ^^^^^^^ not the one called the exact same bloody thing below :thumbsdown: who came up with that idea? Lets call 2 great sodding bits that form the planet by the same name?

Edit to add: The above is me trying to inject humour.

I consider that to create a sudden freezing, it would be necessary for the outer regions of earth's atmosphere to 'drop' down to ground level and this would be caused by Sol being effected by other cosmic bodies, which has been stated in old descriptions of 'climate'.
I did read a scientific report which stated that the mesosphere was in the process of cooling and contracting.... so?

[waree]

https://www.foxnews.com/science/something-very-strange-is-happening-to-earths-magnetic-north-pole-and-no-one-knows-why

[Savannah]

https://www.foxnews.com/science/something-very-strange-is-happening-to-earths-magnetic-north-pole-and-no-one-knows-why

When I saw this yesterday I thought what's most important is that it is mainstream news. These changes are begging to be so obvious they cant hide/suppress them anymore. Trump has rejected global warming and hinted at an ice age in his tweets. However they may have so much on their plates fighting the deep state and to bring this out in the open it will destabilize the economy. So my thinking on this is were on our own. They have their underground bases.

[Ratszinger]

My compass here in NE OK won't even give me a reading. The dial just sucks up to the top and freezes. I've tried walking the property thinking it was something in the house but anywhere on my property which is sizable I get nothing. I couldn't get around today if I had to here using a compass.

[Savannah]

Pole Shift, Earths Magnetic Field is Rapidly Moving to Siberia Causing Navigation Errors


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCT-HHBgJL8

One of the comments notes "It was over greenland last year so I guess the wobbling is happening now... This started happening over a hundred years ago, albeit, the variance was minor then and varied only a few miles... This doesn't necessarily mean that the earth is going to roll over at the same time however it is the beginning of plate realignment which can cause the physical true pole to change which is when you will have a cataclysm... this has happened and happens at least every 6 to 12 thousand years apparently... I think that the major extinction events happened only about 7 times... however these events can be nothingless significant to certain life forms like the event that happened 11,500... I have studied this for 0ver 20 years and it's amazing how little this is taught or known officially... Most people are totally unconcerned with this and are worried about Yellowstone...lol

I'm not sure about what he says about the Shuman residence change. I will have to research that one. That has been a Psy op in the past.

[greybeard]

There are a lot of videos on u tube regarding magnetic pole shift and the effects of past Super Nova from the sun.
Also evidence of ancient advanced civilizations.
So we have been here before.
Who knows when, or the effects of a possible magnetic pole shift --plenty of expert opinions--they may be wrong they may be right.
Dont think anything can be done to prevent or even survive this if it does happen.
Some will survive for sure or we would not be here.

I enjoy my life here as best I can, till the next adventure happens.

Chris

[Savannah]

Suspicious 0bservers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4nbEqZ2T84
He discusses the news release at 2:45

[Savannah]

There are a lot of videos on u tube regarding magnetic pole shift and the effects of past Super Nova from the sun.
Also evidence of ancient advanced civilizations.
So we have been here before.
Who knows when, or the effects of a possible magnetic pole shift --plenty of expert opinions--they may be wrong they may be right.
Dont think anything can be done to prevent or even survive this if it does happen.
Some will survive for sure or we would not be here.



I enjoy my life here as best I can, till the next adventure happens.

gree I have fear of Chris


Yes Chris I would agree, I have no fear of dying. I had a near death experience in this life drowning, recall many of my past lives and feel I saw my death in this life by tsunami while driving in my car (that fits with a pole shift).

I think we know now the time is getting very near. I also think this time it will be very different for humanity. We have Göbekli Tepe the pyramids and some information from the past but the survivors of the next one may have it all. Meaning the underground bunkers may hold all our history, culture and scientific knowledge. The next cycle may have a huge boost because they are not struggling to pass the knowledge down through myths while rebuilding from scratch.

Secondly Casey and Kali yuga cycles predicting that we are moving toward a Golden age. Combine that with sustained knowledge, possible hybrids on earth it could get very interesting place to reincarnate back to, if one choses that is.

[greybeard]

Savannah I think that is a brilliant overview with which I agree.
Its joining all the dots.
Chris

[neutronstar]

Dr. Micheal Newton, I can't remember which book. I think it is "Destiny of Souls", said that his clients would never talk about the future, but one client said that 200 years in the future there is far fewer people on the planet. He wouldn't say what happened. It was something like that, I can't remember the exact conversation.

[neutronstar]

There are a lot of videos on u tube regarding magnetic pole shift and the effects of past Super Nova from the sun.
Also evidence of ancient advanced civilizations.
So we have been here before.
Who knows when, or the effects of a possible magnetic pole shift --plenty of expert opinions--they may be wrong they may be right.
Dont think anything can be done to prevent or even survive this if it does happen.
Some will survive for sure or we would not be here.



I enjoy my life here as best I can, till the next adventure happens.

gree I have fear of Chris


Yes Chris I would agree, I have no fear of dying. I had a near death experience in this life drowning, recall many of my past lives and feel I saw my death in this life by tsunami while driving in my car (that fits with a pole shift).

I think we know now the time is getting very near. I also think this time it will be very different for humanity. We have Göbekli Tepe the pyramids and some information from the past but the survivors of the next one may have it all. Meaning the underground bunkers may hold all our history, culture and scientific knowledge. The next cycle may have a huge boost because they are not struggling to pass the knowledge down through myths while rebuilding from scratch.

Secondly Casey and Kali yuga cycles predicting that we are moving toward a Golden age. Combine that with sustained knowledge, possible hybrids on earth it could get very interesting place to reincarnate back to, if one choses that is.

I don't think it is as simple as that. Having the knowledge is one thing maintaining it is another.

We have made huge strides these last 100 years mainly do to the rapid increase in population. This amount of knowledge requires a lot of people. Only 1% of the population is a genius. We need 7 billion people to have the amount of geniuses we need to maintain our current advancement.

Each generation will lose knowledge for a unknowable time, I think it would be to hard to predict. To many variables it seems to me anyway.

[greybeard]

Well not much point in knowing how to drive a car if there arent any.
A three mile high wave of water would literally scour the surface of all facilities--not a trace left.
However there certainly will be residual knowledge somewhere---so not back to the stone age exactly.
How much of our modern "necessities" really needed?

Chris

[5th]

This is just more scare mongering as the magnetic pole has always been shifting and the 'rate of acceleration depends on where you are located on the planet. Another case of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Here's a gif of the movement between 1590 to 1990 showing how the variation (which always has to be accounted for when navigating by compass) has dramatically shifted back and forth.

https://www.richlazy.com/1590to1990.gif

There's no real evidence that anything is different today.

What's with people here that they buy into every single doomsday scare?

[Ratszinger]

This is just more scare mongering as the magnetic pole has always been shifting and the 'rate of acceleration depends on where you are located on the planet. Another case of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Here's a gif of the movement between 1590 to 1990 showing how the variation (which always has to be accounted for when navigating by compass) has dramatically shifted back and forth.

https://www.richlazy.com/1590to1990.gif

There's no real evidence that anything is different today.

What's with people here that they buy into every single doomsday scare?

I am sitting here right now at almost 8 am Sat in OK and the north needle is pointing to Siberia! This is not normal. It is real evidence not phony. It is not a scare and the needle should be pointing more toward Greenland where it most always pointed each time I checked my compass in the past. Real adjustments to navigation took place yesterday all over the world just to land planes and you think it's fake? Nothing fake here it's really moving, it really moved faster than anticipated and caught a lot of people watching it off guard. I've spoken with some climate guys that are completely freaked out about it wondering what is going on because unlike their peers blaming it on the iron core they don't buy that. They think it's out there somewhere causing this and getting worse. So I think it's just the beginning of something bigger as others have predicted. By 2023 there will be no deny that something is really messed up about the sun size.

[lake]

Well not much point in knowing how to drive a car if there arent any.
A three mile high wave of water would literally scour the surface of all facilities--not a trace left.
However there certainly will be residual knowledge somewhere---so not back to the stone age exactly.
How much of our modern "necessities" really needed?

Chris

No not exactly.... there are 454 Nuclear Power Reactors currently in operation all around the world! :gaah:

[5th]

Real adjustments to navigation took place yesterday all over the world just to land planes and you think it's fake?

Adjustments to navigation? You really think navigation is done by compass these days? It's all GPS and that's nothing to do with magnetic north. So post some links to back this up. i can't find anything.

Something so big as you claim would not go unnoticed so yes, it's fake unless there's actual proof. You expect me to believe that there's been a huge move in the magnetic pole and not one bit of news about it when millions of people would notice that? Even a boy scout would notice...

[Jean-Marie]

Real adjustments to navigation took place yesterday all over the world just to land planes and you think it's fake?

Adjustments to navigation? You really think navigation is done by compass these days? It's all GPS and that's nothing to do with magnetic north. So post some links to back this up. i can't find anything.

Something so big as you claim would not go unnoticed so yes, it's fake unless there's actual proof. You expect me to believe that there's been a huge move in the magnetic pole and not one bit of news about it when millions of people would notice that? Even a boy scout would notice...




Here you go 5th......

https://www.foxnews.com/science/something-very-strange-is-happening-to-earths-magnetic-north-pole-and-no-one-knows-why

http://fortune.com/2019/01/11/earth-magnetic-north-pole-shifts-forcing-update/

Note: I just stepped down from 17 years of Boys Scouts of America "scouting leadership" :bigsmile:

[Ratszinger]

Of course! GPS still uses the same principles as the compass geez anyone knows this. The nit pick nonsense I can do without. I just watched my compass on my table go back to Greenland and now its reading as it always has like it never moved to Siberia at all. I can't make it go to Siberia now. EDIT to add this is really bizarre. The compass needle moves and it's as if it is reading a movement as it happens. I see it now drifting back toward Siberia as I've been sitting here just letting it do it's thing. This is really remarkable. I mean to say I play with a compass off and on. I know where it always pointed sitting right here. It's not doing it now. It does and then moves again apparently.

[5th]

Here you go 5th......

https://www.foxnews.com/science/something-very-strange-is-happening-to-earths-magnetic-north-pole-and-no-one-knows-why

http://fortune.com/2019/01/11/earth-magnetic-north-pole-shifts-forcing-update/

Note: I just stepped down from 17 years of Boys Scouts of America "scouting leadership" :bigsmile:


Yes but neither of those say it's anything particularly unusual. In fact, one says "But another recent study has revealed the Earth’s magnetic field has been acting up now for some 1,000 years."

Such adjustments are normal and this one has been moved forward by a couple of years - no big deal. Normally done every five years this one is after 3 years - hardly a cause for alarm and the move is only a few miles.

[Jean-Marie]

Here you go 5th......

https://www.foxnews.com/science/something-very-strange-is-happening-to-earths-magnetic-north-pole-and-no-one-knows-why

http://fortune.com/2019/01/11/earth-magnetic-north-pole-shifts-forcing-update/

Note: I just stepped down from 17 years of Boys Scouts of America "scouting leadership" :bigsmile:


Yes but neither of those say it's anything particularly unusual. In fact, one says "But another recent study has revealed the Earth’s magnetic field has been acting up now for some 1,000 years."

Such adjustments are normal and this one has been moved forward by a couple of years - no big deal. Normally done every five years this one is after 3 years - hardly a cause for alarm and the move is only a few miles.

5th, if you are not interested in exploring the ideas of this thread, why do you keep investing your time in following it and complaining? Why not invest your time in starting a new thread to defend why this is nonsense? :bigsmile:

[5th]

5th, if you are not interested in exploring the ideas of this thread, why do you keep investing your time in following it and complaining? Why not invest your time in starting a new thread to defend why this is nonsense? :bigsmile:

So I'm only allowed to post if I agree with a thread? It's also untrue and unfair to say that I'm complaining. I would expect better from a Moderator but OK, I've finshed posting here.

[Jean-Marie]

5th, if you are not interested in exploring the ideas of this thread, why do you keep investing your time in following it and complaining? Why not invest your time in starting a new thread to defend why this is nonsense? :bigsmile:

So I'm only allowed to post if I agree with a thread? It's also untrue and unfair to say that I'm complaining. I would expect better from a Moderator but OK, I've finshed posting here.

5th, Your first couple of posts on this thread were okay. If you have something to share in the line of scientific evidence to disprove this theory then share it.

In regards to this statement made in one of your posts,
Anyone who actually watches the over 3 hours must surely have been convinced early on. Every possible view has been put forward in ten thousand videos, so should we watch them all? Science has no possible way to know what happened tens of thousands of years ago, or how the sun really works so I simply choose not to listen.

Many of us follow Ben Davidson from Suspicious Observers. So far most of the science he is exposing is spot on. When Ben does make a mistake he comes right out and admits he was wrong about it. Ben Davidson is having another conference in February and one of his keynote speakers is Mr. Vogt who produced the Diehold videos referenced in this thread. I have watched them all. I am following it not because I have been convinced, but because I am exploring the possibilities. :bigsmile:


:focus:

[Savannah]

There are a lot of videos on u tube regarding magnetic pole shift and the effects of past Super Nova from the sun.
Also evidence of ancient advanced civilizations.
So we have been here before.
Who knows when, or the effects of a possible magnetic pole shift --plenty of expert opinions--they may be wrong they may be right.
Dont think anything can be done to prevent or even survive this if it does happen.
Some will survive for sure or we would not be here

I enjoy my life here as best I can, till the next adventure happens.

gree I have fear of Chris


Yes Chris I would agree, I have no fear of dying. I had a near death experience in this life drowning, recall many of my past lives and feel I saw my death in this life by tsunami while driving in my car (that fits with a pole shift).

I think we know now the time is getting very near. I also think this time it will be very different for humanity. We have Göbekli Tepe the pyramids and some information from the past but the survivors of the next one may have it all. Meaning the underground bunkers may hold all our history, culture and scientific knowledge. The next cycle may have a huge boost because they are not struggling to pass the knowledge down through myths while rebuilding from scratch.

Secondly Casey and Kali yuga cycles predicting that we are moving toward a Golden age. Combine that with sustained knowledge, possible hybrids on earth it could get very interesting place to reincarnate back to, if one choses that is.

I don't think it is as simple as that. Having the knowledge is one thing maintaining it is another.

We have made huge strides these last 100 years mainly do to the rapid increase in population. This amount of knowledge requires a lot of people. Only 1% of the population is a genius. We need 7 billion people to have the amount of geniuses we need to maintain our current advancement.

Each generation will lose knowledge for a unknowable time, I think it would be to hard to predict. To many variables it seems to me anyway.

Most of the population is kept away from real knowledge, increased population is not the key to advancement. Over population serves the controller/Cartels by stressing humans and pushing them into cities away from nature. The government has advanced knowledge of quantum physics, the electrical nature of the body and has advanced technology etc. There is no monetary incentive to share that knowledge with the population now. Knowledge is not based on population size but an informed well education population. Our population has fake news and manipulated fake educations they pay for all their lives (student loan debt). As Icke says its an inverted world. They can rebuild the population quickly as they did after the cycle to accomplish continued advancement.

As Bill noted in his questions thread, humanity seems to have experienced a "Fall" (Taylor, steve 2005). Malevolent ET's or ED's may take advantage at the times of the Earths Sun/Nova cycles or cataclysms such as asteroids or comets to influence the Earth. Perhaps with some continuation of government and knowledge it might change that next time. Certainly if humans continue with the cartels of greed that Trump is trying to clean up now, it may take a Golden age to wake humanity up. Casey talked about the next cycle and warned that humanity may repeat what happened during Atlantis if we didn't change.

[Savannah]

Elon Musk unveils video of his first underground L.A. tunnel, predicts rides within months

https://www.latimes.com/resizer/7cT4830yzABlogCDCztkLlE-E-0=/800x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-elon-musk-tunnel-20180510-story.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0vkv-XclUg






MUSK’S NEW BORING MACHINE NOT BORING
Joseph Farrell

https://gizadeathstar.com/2019/01/musks-new-boring-machine-not-boring/

"But none of this is really the focus of my high octane speculation today. Rather, it's that last sentence in the quotation. Here it is once again: "Conversely, underground facilities could be attacked by digging machines." Recently, we've seen the Trump administration nominate General Milley to be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That's the same General Milley that spoke about future soldiers having to fight "hybrid armies" and "little green men." However, in the weeks prior to Milley's nomination, articles appeared indicating that the military was stepping up its training of soldiers to be able to fight "underground," and in the accompanying pictures of said articles, overwhelmingly soldiers were seen, not entering and fighting in caves and caverns and other such underground structures, but rather, in hallways, corridors, and tunnels. So the question becomes, who are they intending and training to fight underground? Iran? China? France? Germany? Russia? Countries with extensive underground bases? Rogue run-amok corporations with their own deep underground and black facilities? Or someone else?"

[neutronstar]

Well not much point in knowing how to drive a car if there arent any.
A three mile high wave of water would literally scour the surface of all facilities--not a trace left.
However there certainly will be residual knowledge somewhere---so not back to the stone age exactly.
How much of our modern "necessities" really needed?

Chris

I would say a lot of our tech. isn't needed, but almost all our information is stored in digital form. There are a lot of programmers in the world but very few that know machine code, very few. Even if you are a genius that doesn't mean you can learn machine code. How many of these people will survive if any.

[neutronstar]

There are a lot of videos on u tube regarding magnetic pole shift and the effects of past Super Nova from the sun.
Also evidence of ancient advanced civilizations.
So we have been here before.
Who knows when, or the effects of a possible magnetic pole shift --plenty of expert opinions--they may be wrong they may be right.
Dont think anything can be done to prevent or even survive this if it does happen.
Some will survive for sure or we would not be here

I enjoy my life here as best I can, till the next adventure happens.

gree I have fear of Chris


Yes Chris I would agree, I have no fear of dying. I had a near death experience in this life drowning, recall many of my past lives and feel I saw my death in this life by tsunami while driving in my car (that fits with a pole shift).

I think we know now the time is getting very near. I also think this time it will be very different for humanity. We have Göbekli Tepe the pyramids and some information from the past but the survivors of the next one may have it all. Meaning the underground bunkers may hold all our history, culture and scientific knowledge. The next cycle may have a huge boost because they are not struggling to pass the knowledge down through myths while rebuilding from scratch.

Secondly Casey and Kali yuga cycles predicting that we are moving toward a Golden age. Combine that with sustained knowledge, possible hybrids on earth it could get very interesting place to reincarnate back to, if one choses that is.

I don't think it is as simple as that. Having the knowledge is one thing maintaining it is another.

We have made huge strides these last 100 years mainly do to the rapid increase in population. This amount of knowledge requires a lot of people. Only 1% of the population is a genius. We need 7 billion people to have the amount of geniuses we need to maintain our current advancement.

Each generation will lose knowledge for a unknowable time, I think it would be to hard to predict. To many variables it seems to me anyway.

Most of the population is kept away from real knowledge, increased population is not the key to advancement. Over population serves the controller/Cartels by stressing humans and pushing them into cities away from nature. The government has advanced knowledge of quantum physics, the electrical nature of the body and has advanced technology etc. There is no monetary incentive to share that knowledge with the population now. Knowledge is not based on population size but an informed well education population. Our population has fake news and manipulated fake educations they pay for all their lives (student loan debt). As Icke says its an inverted world. They can rebuild the population quickly as they did after the cycle to accomplish continued advancement.

As Bill noted in his questions thread, humanity seems to have experienced a "Fall" (Taylor, steve 2005). Malevolent ET's or ED's may take advantage at the times of the Earths Sun/Nova cycles or cataclysms such as asteroids or comets to influence the Earth. Perhaps with some continuation of government and knowledge it might change that next time. Certainly if humans continue with the cartels of greed that Trump is trying to clean up now, it may take a Golden age to wake humanity up. Casey talked about the next cycle and warned that humanity may repeat what happened during Atlantis if we didn't change.

You may be right but, how do we know that we weren't as advanced or more the last time this happened. The point I am trying to make is there are to many unknowns. You can build a DUMB, but how do you know it will survive. We don't know how it will effect the crust. Who and how many survive is such an unknown. They were advanced enough to build the pyramids and we have no idea how to do that.

[Savannah]

"You may be right but, how do we know that we weren't as advanced or more the last time this happened. The point I am trying to make is there are to many unknowns. You can build a DUMB, but how do you know it will survive. We don't know how it will effect the crust. Who and how many survive is such an unknown. They were advanced enough to build the pyramids and we have no idea how to do that."




In the video I posted above from CBS news she says at the end that underground highways are impervious to earth quakes. From the Voght material it appears they have known this is coming since the late fifties. I'm sure a lot of our missing money has gone not only to DUMBS but research on how to survive. They also pay out on grants to Universities and legitimate military research that looks like it for one thing but is actually another. Like Musk's highways to help us with LA grid lock, oh ya I buy that one. So a lot has gone into this that is too confusing to trace. Like the SSP.

So what I'm proposing is that this is a very well thought out and executed plan that a lot of money and very intelligent people have been behind it for a long time. I used to work for DOD, when they want something done they spare no expense and the Mission is the absolute focus. If they want it done, its done and done right. Under estimating them is what they may want you to believe.

[Savannah]

"This information can explain a lot of what they are doing, such as all the DUMB's they are creating as well as why they are spraying our sky, which if this is true, I can justify their actions. He presents the evidence that this is why they created NASA, why they when to the moon, and what they found scared the **** out of them."


Yes would agree see my post #18 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105514-What-s-in-store-for-2019-Serious-forecasts-and-predictions-please.&highlight=2019


Catherine Austin Fits
https://home.solari.com/?s=missing+money

She talked about the missing government money and proposed that money was used toward the secret space program but I think it was also used to build the underground bases. This was also mentioned on the weather thread. There is certainly no way the world governments don’t know this is coming. The global warming psy op was used to cover up what they knew would be weather changes.

The only way to survive would be underground or off planet. The world will reset and thus they plan to return.



“Dr. Richard Sauder ‘s second book Underwater and Underground Bases is an explosive, eye-opening sequel to his best-selling, Underground Bases and Tunnels: What is the Government Trying to Hide? Dr. Sauder lays out the amazing evidence and government paper trail for the construction of huge, manned bases offshore, in mid-ocean, and deep beneath the sea floor! Bases big enough to secretly dock submarines! Official United States Navy documents, and other hard evidence, raise many questions about what really lies 20,000 leagues beneath the sea. Many UFOs have been seen coming and going from the world’s oceans, seas and lakes, implying the existence of secret underwater bases. Hold on to your hats: Jules Verne may not have been so far from the truth, after all! Dr. Sauder also adds to his incredible database of underground bases onshore. New, breakthrough material reveals the existence of additional clandestine underground facilities as well as the surprising location of one of the CIA’s own underground bases. Plus, new information on tunneling and cutting-edge, high speed rail magnetic-levitation (MagLev) technology. Amazon

Again we have all of it, it is just a matter of connecting the dots. They have known for quite some time.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...a+declassified


Continuity of government:
(COG) is the principle of establishing defined procedures that allow a government to continue its essential operations in case of a catastrophic event such as nuclear war.
COG was developed by the British government before and during World War II to counter threats, such as that of the Luftwaffe bombing during the Battle of Britain. The need for continuity of government plans gained new urgency with nuclear proliferation.

During and after the Cold War countries developed such plans to avoid (or minimize) confusion and disorder due to a power vacuum in the aftermath of a nuclear attack.
In the US at least, COG is no longer limited to nuclear emergencies; the Continuity of Operations Plan was activated following the September 11 attacks
Continuity of government (COG) is the principle of establishing defined procedures that allow a government to continue its essential operations in case of a catastrophic event such as nuclear war.

Continuity of the national government was first threatened in late 1776, when British forces advanced toward the Continental capital at Philadelphia. On December 9 the Continental Congress passed a resolution in anticipation of a British capture:

Resolved: That in case this Congress shall be under the necessity of removing from Philadelphia, it shall be adjourned to Baltimore.
The Congress was adjourned as planned three days later.[17] Other relocations followed during the course of the Revolutionary War.

For most of its existence, the United States operated without a standing continuity plan. When British forces burned Washington in 1814, Secretary of State James Monroe received only a few hours' notice to remove the government records. Although his staff saved many valuable records, much was nonetheless destroyed, and the next administration encountered a great deal of confusion.[18]

In 1952 President Truman ordered all federal offices to develop their own continuity plans for the event of a civil defense emergency. Plans have been maintained and adapted since then, at times requiring the construction of secret facilities such as the emergency Congress facility in Greenbrier County, West Virginia. The current continuity policy is defined in National Security Policy Directive 51[19] and its implementation plan.[20] The continuity plan was activated for the first time during the September 11, 2001 attacks.[from Wikipedia –yes, yes I know but’s it ok for some basic info)


Also see:
https://emilms.fema.gov/IS546.a/COOPsummary.htm
Budgeting and Acquisition of Resources

To support the people, communications, facilities, infrastructure, and transportation requirements for a viable continuity program, agencies must allocate funding to:
• Acquire the resources.
• Engage the resources and implement the plan.
By budgeting and acquiring required resources, agency leaders will ensure that the agency has what it needs to continue essential functions before, during, and after a continuity event.

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It seems there are probably a lot of underground options depending on your affiliations.
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This one may be the for The Masons.

[Savannah]

https://thechive.com/2012/03/08/something-is-rotten-in-the-denver-airport-25-photos/
better link

[pluton]

So what is this about?
Our sun is a clock that novas every 12068 years. That is what causes the ice age. At the same time the earths magnetic poles reverse. Because the earths rotation is caused by the magnetic field, when it flips, the earth stops rotating. This all happens within a day. As crazy as this sounds, he presents a lot of information (much of it in mainstream science journals) that is hard to dispute.

I don't think it sounds crazy; I it is crazy - unless Isaac Newton was essentially wrong with the contemporary scientists being dumb enough for not seeing the error paradoxically related to an opposite.

"In physics, angular momentum is the rotational equivalent of linear momentum. It is an important quantity in physics because it is a conserved quantity—the total angular momentum of a system remains constant unless acted on by an external torque."

The fact that local forces, like powerful earthquakes, can slow down the earth's rotation by a millisecond or so is due to the fact that the frame of reference in the measurement is the earth's crust, which is flowing on the mantle, and so the earthquakes affect the movement of the crust, not the whole earth, and the measurement in order of milliseconds may not be reliable.

But there is a good evidence that over a long period of time the rate of the earth's rotation has slowed down. That's due to the presence of an external force (gravity) acting upon the earth and caused by the moon.

[Savannah]

Here is a rather unusual way to peek into the future. The method is generally based on the selection of special time points and here is an example:

Since 2019 is very similar to 2016 (the very close similarity is due to the similarity between 6 and 9), some events similar to the notable events of 2016 should take place this year. When folks asked what would happen IN 2016, some of them found an answer only after they had "opened" 2016 and looked INside: 20 ? 16.

Well, 20 and 16 are both even numbers, so what belongs between 20 and 16 is number 18. That's neat, but unless someone figures out what "Event #18" means, that fill-in method is pretty useless. Fortunately, there is another way to fill the space between 20 and 16. Just replace 20 and 16 with letters according to the alphabetical order and look again: T ? P.

The expression T ? P implies T___P, and that means there exists a word that starts with T and ends with P. There are many words like that to choose from, so it follows that the word should be chosen with respect to something. That's the moment where the concept of special time points kicks in.

It's true that Independence Day, for example, is a special day (time point), but Election Day seems to be more special, because it comes around once in four years. Take this into account to make a prediction for the election year of 2016: T____P = TRUMP.

You can use similar method of prediction for the year of 2019.

There is another method how to peak INside 2019 and that's by opening the number in two places: 20 1 9. Now replace 9 by nine question marks - 20 1 ????????? - and, in turn, replace those question marks with letters so they would form a word.

Well, there are quite a few words made of nine letters out there, so look to left for a clue. Your clue are those two numbers 20 and 1. Now interpret both numbers as 20/1, or 20. January, and find out if this date is any special. It turns out that it is so, because 20/1 is Inauguration Day. With a clue like that, you can hardly miss: the word made of 9 letters is PRESIDENT.

The last step is to get a clue from the future makers regarding the nature of the prediction. So let's see if anything really special took place on 20. January, 2019.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/a-meteor-hit-the-moon-during-the-lunar-eclipse-heres-what-we-know/ar-BBSBL1h?ocid=spartandhp

Yes, it did: "At 4:41 UT, when totality was just beginning, a tiny speck of light glinted south of the crater Byrgius, a nearly 55-mile-wide pockmark in the western part of the moon." Note that the space rock hit the moon at 4:41 UT. That time refers to Donald Trump, because 4+41=45 and he is the 45th POTUS.

Okay, but what does that mean? Will Donald Trump get hit in 2019 by a space rock?

Not really. It's just that on 20. July this year, the Americans led by their president will observe the 50th anniversary of the moon landing and that's a very special anniversary, because the USA is a collection of 50 states. And that's the prediction/reminder for 2019.

How did the future makers manage to redirect a space rock to hit the moon at the time when lots of folks were watching our companion due to the total eclipse?

That's an easy question to answer: they're very good.

And you think the theories about the ice age are crazy!

[pluton]

And you think the theories about the ice age are crazy!

You are mixing apples with oranges - man-made with nature-made. This thread deals with natural forces, whereas the quote you posted doesn't deal with a natural effect, even though it appears to be so to the mainstream. Rationality is a function of knowledge acquisition, and so, some four hundred years ago, the learned folks of that time would regard the description of our contemporary technologies as crazy.

Four hundred years is in cosmic time a second, so there would be no problem for well-advanced ET societies to redirect an asteroid and hit a target with uncanny time and location precision. After all, the idea of redirecting dangerous asteroids or comets away from the earth is a topic sitting very far from a mental institution, because the survival of human species depends on it.
https://www.space.com/25079-dangerous-asteroid-deflection-human-nature.html

Alternative views shouldn't steer far away from well-established natural laws or even defy them.

[Operator]

I watched the videos, skipped some parts ahead because after a while he's still trying to prove his point.

As always these kind of videos trigger a lot of thoughts, negative and positive.

Why I am skeptical:

He mentions the van Allen belt but has no problem accepting Apollo missions went to the moon to collect rocks
He is on this subject since the 70's and government noticed he's discovered it. Why is he still publishing books/videos today if they want to keep it secret ?
I have a hard time to believe the earth can stop and then start spinning the other way. There is far too much accumulated energy in a spinning earth
to reverse its rotation. Applying enough energy to do so would simply destroy it completely I guess.
Planets without magnetic fields also do spin (everything spins in the universe).
Cyclical events can be caused by other stimuli.


However, the mythologies of deluges are found everywhere on earth and crazy movements of the sun and stars also.
If the picture about the flash frozen 'floating' mammoth is real, well then crazy stuff seems to happen from time to time.

Anyway, his scenario does start me wondering and dot connecting.

I always wondered what happened to the African Sahara and Arabian peninsula. If you look on a globe it is clearly a contiguous area
that has been 'scorched' by something ...

If his scenario (or similar scenario) is real then what would be the most precious real estate ? Antarctica !
If slushing oceans become a problem then the poles would endure the least effect.
Since the north pole is only floating ice Antarctica as a continent would be a good place to be. Is that why it was declared off-limits by all nations decades ago ?
And apparently it is heavily defended too according historic events like operation high-jump.
Is this what the mysteries about visiting politicians and elites are about ?

Why building so many DUMBS and especially submerged DUMBS deep under the ocean ? Need shielding from something ?

And I still remember dr Paul Laviolette's superwave narrative that is somewhat in line with this but with other origins.
This is also mentioned in a similar thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105895-Micronovas-as-explanation-for-the-regular-extinction-events-and-ice-ages-next-coming-in-2048&p=1273318&viewfull=1#post1273318).

I used to listen to doc Waterman's podcasts. He mentioned working for NASA and doing research finding amounts of Iridium and Rhodium,
as he explained it, to see how far we are in a cosmic dust cloud.
Not exactly the same but similar topic. So what's going on ?

Maybe this thread needs to be merged with Micronovas as explanation for the regular extinction events and ice ages, next coming in 2048 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105895-Micronovas-as-explanation-for-the-regular-extinction-events-and-ice-ages-next-coming-in-2048)

[loc333]

great thread thank you