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Bob
12th January 2019, 01:16
We have seen Creatine supplementation talked about for muscle building.

There is potentially another use when there is depression, anxiety, confusion, "dyslexia", general weakness.. The list goes on.

Parkinsonism symptoms starting up could be due to a deficiency in brain levels of Creatine.

Brain disorders are generally treated with hard core drugs to mask or put the person into another state to thereby hide the condition at hand - quite possibly a deficiency.

Memory alteration mimicking Alzheimers or dementia, argumentativeness, often times leads to tugging at the heart-strings of care givers, or pushes the buttons of the medical establishment to "treat" symptoms with all the wrong and aggressive chemicals.

How it's been monitored

Much of the recent evidence on changes in brain creatine metabolism in humans has been provided by studies using magnetic resonance spectroscopy (MRS), a neuro-imaging tool that enables scientists to non-invasively measure major metabolites like creatine and phosphocreatine in various brain regions in vivo (in the body).

Stress increases the need for Creatine supplementation.

Changes in Creatine metabolism observed in schizophrenia, mood and anxiety disorders.

Could it be that simple?

Possibly.

People who are deficient in certain foods and not supplementing, or have various organ diseases (such as previously from damage from alcohol, cigarettes, viral hepatitis, or liver cancers), Creatine would be a constituent of a normal diet of protein-based foods, such as milk, meat, and nuts.

It is not considered an essential nutrient because the kidneys, liver, pancreas, and possibly brain cells are able to synthesize this compound endogenously from the amino acids arginine, glycine, and methionine. If one is deficient in arginine, glycine and methionine, one could indeed be invoking a Creatine deficiency.

Daily supplementation with Creatine monohydrate reliably produces measurable increases of Creatine and phosphocreatine in the brain in humans and animals after several weeks.

Cognitive or emotional deficits can be observed in numerous brain-related disorders. The expression, "Don't you understand me, can't you empathise with me, don't you feel what I am feeling? are often present before the condition becomes intractable.

Body building

Creatine is most commonly recognized as an ergogenic (intended to enhance physical performance, stamina, or recovery) aid used by athletes, body builders, and military personnel to enhance muscle mass and physical performance during brief intervals of extremely intense activities, which rapidly deplete muscle energy stores, such as bench press lifting, sprinting, or swimming.

Consider a type of chronic wasting of brain tissue, muscle tissue, and organs happens when Creatine is depleted from stress (muscles held in a state of tension)... Mitochondrial dysfunction may arise when phosphocreatine is repeatedly depleted. The mechanism of energy production for the cells is damaged.. (In another thread we talked about how Magnesium Bicarbonate could be extremely useful for kick starting mitochondrial functions of respiration).

Then possibly, Creatine and Magnesium Bicarbonate supplementation might be a great combination in helping with neuro-psychogenic issues, and body weakness in general.

When the body is stressed, the body will pull Creatine from whatever stores it can find. Have we ever noticed elderly becoming harder to communicate with? Have we seen what their diets are? Have they complained about weakness, not wanting to move about? Are we seeing deficiencies in other words?

The concept of growing old, experiencing the factors that appear may be more easily corrected by proper supplementation, looking at what was depleted due to particular lifestyles.

Treatment thru supplementation

In humans and in animals, research has consistently shown that administration of creatine over a prolonged period of time results in measurable increases of creatine concentrations in brain and muscle tissue, which is most pronounced after 4 weeks.

Therapeutic activity - In patient populations, the schedule of Creatine administration varies from clinical study to clinical study because guidelines have not been definitively established.

However, to increase brain Creatine levels in human populations, it has been recommended that investigators implement an initial loading phase (ranging from 15 to 20 g/d Creatine for approximately 3–7 days) to ensure tissue saturation, followed by a maintenance phase of ~5–10 grams for at least 2–3 months.

If there is going to be a marked improvement, that is what was being tested.

While Creatine is rapidly absorbed, different dosage forms (e.g. solutions, powders, capsules) can influence the bioavailability of Creatine.

Creatine supplementation is generally considered safe and well-tolerated by humans and animals (Rodriguez et al., 2009).

For instance, no significant adverse effects have been reported in studies of patients with inborn error of Creatine synthesis given up to 0.8 g/kg daily for two years (reviewed in Braissant and Henry, 2008).

Likewise, no major health issues were reported in a study of 9 healthy athletes administered 1–20 g/day from 1–4 times/day for up to five years.

Reported large dose side effects - mild to moderate (weight gain, gastrointestinal distress, altered insulin production, inhibition of endogenous creatine synthesis, renal dysfunction, or dehydration in study participants).

If one is being monitored for Kidney function, taking Creatine supplementation can confuse kidney creatine level tests. "Creatine supplementation can confound renal analyses because serum Creatinine is the most widely used marker of renal function (Gualano et al., 2008). Creatine supplementation increases levels of Creatinine, which can be falsely interpreted as an indication of renal dysfunction. One must tell the ones doing testing that one is taking Creatine supplementation if being monitored for creatinine for kidney function in other words.

The majority of studies conclude that Creatine supplementation is generally not harmful to the kidneys when used as directed (Dalbo et al., 2008).

Keeping up on fluid intake - physicians typically advise drinking extra water and avoiding caffeine when taking Creatine supplements.

Benefits for older adults: In older adults (~76 years of age), creatine buffered age-related cognitive decline, with improvement in verbal and spatial short-term memory and long-term memory after one week of daily supplementation (McMorris et al., 2007b).

Studies of vegetarian and vegan subjects may have shown greater benefit in cognitive processing post-supplementation because they presumably have lower brain Creatine levels due to dietary restrictions.

Cognitive and behavioral improvement is observed in Creatine deficiency patients.

Schizophrenia
Schizophrenia is a behaviorally and biochemically heterogeneous disorder characterized by psychotic episodes, which are periods of time in which the individual experiences significant disturbances in thought and/or loses contact with reality.

Symptoms manifestations include delusions, hallucinations, disorganized thought or speech, catatonic behavior, and/or negative symptoms. (One can in such episodes say they are being attacked by aliens, beams from "out there", or from 'everything' about one is specifically attacking them due to some worldwide conspiracy)..

Verifying the mechanism in those experiencing schizophrenic episodes, impairments in metabolic function, neuronal density and cellular integrity in the frontal and temporal lobes of the brain, basal ganglia, and hippocampus have been observed in those schizophrenic patients.

Increasing evidence supports the use of Creatine monohydrate for preventing or treating depression.

Could it be that simple? Creatine supplementation and Magnesium Bicarbonate?

reference -


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3340488/

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Jensen JE. Focal changes in brain energy and phospholipid metabolism in first-episode schizophrenia: 31P-MRS chemical shift imaging study at 4 Tesla. The British Journal of Psychiatry. 2004;184:409–415. [PubMed (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15123504)]

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Flash
12th January 2019, 04:55
A doctor in biochemistry who was specialising in treating cancer and autism was definitely suggesting Creatine supplements for autism.

So yeah, it seems that people brain deficient in creatine for whichever reason do have behavioral problems as well, that are corrected with the creatine intake.

There is no article to support what I say since this was a personal series of treatments.

Bob
12th January 2019, 05:36
Here's some of that data Flash, on the autism and Creatine -

ref: http://autismcoach.com/atp-energy-mitochondrial-function-creatine-same-and-autism/

Dr. Benjamin Lynch, a naturopathic physician, who specializes in nutrigenomics, using genetic testing create nutritional support protocols, suggests that up to 40% methylation processes in the body is used to generate Creatine, so for many individual on the spectrum, supplementing with Creatine frees up methyl donors to be used for other metabolic processes in the body.

When ATP is "charged" its energy can be released within cells for energy. It then must be recharged. ATP is made within each cell by a portion of the cell called the mitochondria; the more energy a cell requires, the more mitochondria it will have. Mitochondria produce energy for the entire cell.

ref: from https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/2013/11/creatine-sub-types-of-autism-is-affects.html

Creatine Deficiency
Science has identified three types of Creatine deficiency and all three lead to mental retardation and/or autism. Two types are very rare, but are treatable; the third type is far more common, affecting about a million people worldwide, and is currently untreatable in humans. In mice, this third type has been “cured”, but the money is not yet available to develop and test a human version of the therapy.

AGAT (L-Arginine:glycine amidinotransferase) is an enzyme. This enzyme is needed for the body to produce Creatine. AGAT deficiency will cause Creatine deficiency and lead to mental retardation and autism.

GAMT (Guanidinoacetate N-methyltransferase) is another enzyme required to produce Creatine. As with AGAT deficiency, if you are deficient in GAMT, autism and mental retardation will follow.

Treatment
If diagnosed, defects of Creatine biosynthesis are treated with Creatine supplements and, in GAMT deficiency, with ornithine and dietary restriction of arginine through limitation of protein intake.

Agape
12th January 2019, 16:30
A doctor in biochemistry who was specialising in treating cancer and autism was definitely suggesting Creatine supplements for autism.

So yeah, it seems that people brain deficient in creatine for whichever reason do have behavioral problems as well, that are corrected with the creatine intake.

There is no article to support what I say since this was a personal series of treatments.

Only don’t try that at home ( or with your kid) unless you are active athlete or someone working hard physically and your kidney condition is superb, even then make sure you can get monitored in laboratory( blood test levels before and after) and that treatment does not outlast you:)

Most creatine in the body is stored in bones and muscles. Brains chemistry and circulation has another circuit partially independent of the physical metabolism of bones and muscles.
Except for genetic anomalies ( quoted by Bob in later part of his article that are present with 0,1% of populace) brain itself is quite capable to detect and also feed off your average amount of creatine -creatinine chemistry. Brain does not need that much.
In case of anomalous brain chemistry the receptors for utilising particular necessary chemical element themselves are either or mostly dysfunctional,
in that case, creatine therapy for brain is like hormonal supplement and super feeding: forcing it dose that works no-matter-what.
Such therapy is controversial and valid for target 0,1% populace whose brain suffer unborn anomaly and can not help themselves otherwise.

For the rest of us , the risks can heavily exceed benefits if taken without supervision and monitoring or for prolonged period of time.

Increased levels of creatine bind water is muscles so expect significant weight gain in first couple of weeks, with hope it will boost your physical performance, start running around the garden:)

If that’s your thing it may really boost your thinking power too presuming air is full of oxygen where you live . Seriously. Oxygen therapy is one of the best brain boosters. Works best if it comes from Nature.

Accumulated creatine in blood for people with weak or undiagnosed kidney condition ( chiropractors would say it’s large percent of current populace for our kidneys, livers etc. are “lazy”) May only lead to lower filtration and toxicemia developing over time.

Imagine trying the “therapy” with your autistic kid at home? He/she will probably gets lots more physical stamina than they and you can handle. Thinking better? Not guaranteed unless their brains suffer from that particular metabolic condition.

It’s all probably safe for healthy people , sportsmen with bodied and metabolism strong enough to process plenty of extras. Extra water too and extra everything g.

Not sure about the rest of us here :bigsmile:

Bob
12th January 2019, 21:14
From Agape:

Thinking better? Not guaranteed unless their brains suffer from that particular metabolic condition.

It’s all probably safe for healthy people , sportsmen with bodied and metabolism strong enough to process plenty of extras. Extra water too and extra everything g.

Not sure about the rest of us here

It has been said one can get enough Creatine with eating 1- 1/2 POUNDS of meat daily. Think about that for a moment..

So if one is deficient in these amino acids, arginine, glycine, and methionine, when doing any exercising, the body's cells are going to pull Creatine from anywhere.. The largest stores are the organs, brain, skeletal muscles. If one is elderly and attempting to function and getting weaker, Creatine stores could possibly have been used up. Especially if parkinson's shakes are appearing, or signs of dementia are appearing.

The body need a store of Creatine to function with ATP (Adenosine Tri Phosphate), the molecule which is very key to ENERGY. Creatine supplements increase your muscles' phosphocreatine stores. Phosphocreatine helps with the formation of new ATP, the key molecule your cells use for energy and all basic functions of life. During exercise, ATP is broken down to produce energy.

If muscles are under stress, isotonic (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/isotonic-exercise) or physically contracting under resistance, Creatine will be used up.

And in studies, Creatine in 1-5 gram amounts daily for folks appears fine, especially with older folks who are starting to suffer from dementia - Also 1–20 g/day from 1–4 times/day for up to five years has been studied in younger folks with no problems. Any excess Creatine is excreted through the urine.

The result of lack of Creatine is a general feeling of weakness, dementia (full blown or partial), feelings of out-of-breath, "intellectual disability syndrome", myopathy (muscle degeneration), inflamed liver (upper right quadrant of the abdomen tender).. poor diet is one of the most common causes.

Diets deficient in arginine, glycine, and methionine will create a situation where Creatine become deficient. Are elderly eating sufficient amino acids for adequate Creatine synthesis?


https://image.slidesharecdn.com/creatinemetabolism-140616021837-phpapp02/95/creatine-metabolism-7-638.jpg

Where is the Creatine distributed?


https://image.slidesharecdn.com/creatinemetabolism-140616021837-phpapp02/95/creatine-metabolism-8-638.jpg

Do we need Creatine to be replenished? YES, 2% per day of the body stores is excreted thru the urine.


https://image.slidesharecdn.com/creatinemetabolism-140616021837-phpapp02/95/creatine-metabolism-16-638.jpg

What happens when one pushes oneself? What if there is insufficient Creatine? If there is insufficient Creatine, it will not allow strength to come back after 8 minutes in other words.


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