Edgar Cayce: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Atlantis

[greybeard]

According to Cayce, Atlantis was destroyed by volcanic and earthquake-like 'explosions' on three distinct and widely-separated occasions.
And each of these destructions lasted over a period of months or even years, not just days or a single day!
The first of these disasters appear to have taken place about 50,700 BC, the second about 28,000 BC whilst the third and last one around 10,000 BC.
All the readings indicated that ample warnings were given and than many Atlanteans were, in fact, able to escape prior to each disaster.
Some traveled to Europe and Africa whilst some found refuge in South America.
Although many of the life-readings were expressed in terminology that was often quite difficult to understand at first sight, by studying the texts very carefully and piecing many of them together as one would a jig-saw, we are able to obtain a comprehensive 'over-view' of the History of Atlantis . Thanks to Cliff Dunning

http://www.earthancients.com/ https://twitter.com/cliffdunning



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dc1RYf7YhE&t=380s

[Sunny-side-up]

Really worth listening to, thanks for posting greybeard.

[greybeard]

I read Cayce books years ago and only recently renewed interest.

Quite a few related to Atlantis and "The journey of the soul" posted here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1267148&viewfull=1#post1267148

Chris

[lake]

I was just going to watch the video presented in the opening post when a thought occurred to me.... "I think I have a book, which I haven't read, regarding Atlantis?"

and I did....and it has some maps which may be of interest?

So Atlantis is in red and what is left of the older Lemuria and the Hyperborean continent in blue/green (which is all the Earth's landmass at the time):

https://i.imgur.com/qh5Iut1.jpg


The first map represents the land surface of the earth as it existed about a million years ago, when the Atlantean Race was at its height, and before the first great submergence took place about 800,000 years ago. The continent of Atlantis itself, it will be observed, extended from a point a few degrees east of Iceland to about the site now occupied by Rio de Janeiro, in South America. Embracing Texas and the Gulf of Mexico, the Southern and Eastern States of America, up to and including Labrador, it stretched across the ocean to our own islands—Scotland and Ireland, and a small portion of the north of England forming one of its promontories—while its equatorial lands embraced Brazil and the whole stretch of ocean to the African Gold Coast. Scattered fragments of what eventually became the continents of Europe, Africa and America, as well as remains of the still older, and once wide-spread continent of Lemuria, are also shown on this map. The remains of the still older Hyperborean continent which was inhabited by the Second Root Race, are also given, and like Lemuria, coloured blue.

https://i.imgur.com/pkq1gw2.jpg


As will be seen from the second map the catastrophe of 800,000 years ago caused very great changes in the land distribution of the globe. The great continent is now shorn of its northern regions, and its remaining portion has been still further rent. The now growing American continent is separated by a chasm from its parent continent of Atlantis, and this no longer comprises any of the lands now existing, but occupies the bulk of the Atlantic basin from about 50° north to a few degrees south of the equator. The subsidences and upheavals in other parts of the world have also been considerable—the British Islands for example, now being part of a huge island which also embraces the Scandinavian peninsula, the north of France, and all the intervening and some of the surrounding seas. The dimensions of the remains of Lemuria it will be observed, have been further curtailed, while Europe, Africa and America have received accretions of territory.

https://i.imgur.com/ikeCJXu.jpg


The third map shows the results of the catastrophe which took place about 200,000 years ago. With the exception of the rents in the continents both of Atlantis and America, and the submergence of Egypt, it will be seen how relatively unimportant were the subsidences and upheavals at this epoch, indeed the fact that this catastrophe has not always been considered as one of the great ones, is apparent from the quotation already given from the sacred book of the Guatemalans—three great ones only being there mentioned. The Scandinavian island however, appears now as joined to the mainland. The two islands into which Atlantis was now split were known by the names of Ruta and Daitya.

https://i.imgur.com/2a9w5az.jpg


The stupendous character of the natural convulsion that took place about 80,000 years ago, will be apparent from the fourth map. Daitya, the smaller and more southerly of the islands, has almost entirely disappeared, while of Ruta there only remains the relatively small island of Poseidonis. This map was compiled about 75,000 years ago, and it no doubt fairly represents the land surface of the earth from that period onwards till the final submergence of Poseidonis in 9564 b.c., though during that period minor changes must have taken place. It will be noted that the land outlines had then begun to assume roughly the same appearance they do to-day, though the British Islands were still joined to the European continent, while the Baltic Sea was non-existent, and the Sahara desert then formed part of the ocean floor.

Regarding the "submergence of Poseidonis in 9564 b.c" this book states that it held a population of 64,000,000 at that time! That information was taken from the:


Le Plongeon's translation of the famous Troano MS., which may be seen in the British Museum

It also has 2 maps of, as quoted above, "the still older Hyperborean continent which was inhabited by the Second Root Race, are also given, and like Lemuria,"

So Lemuria is in red and what is left of the Hyperborean continent in blue/green (which is all the Earth's landmass at that time):

https://i.imgur.com/WtJQvYp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4LSMDHZ.jpg


And I have not as yet read the book lol.... but I will try to get round to it :o

But first lets watch the OP vid :)

Edit: sorry forgot to link to the book firts printed 1896

The Story of Atlantis and the Lost Lemuria by W. Scott-Elliot (https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/21796)

[greybeard]

Thanks for the maps lake.
I have no doubt that there was an Atlantis and before that Lemuria.
What is interesting also is the history of spirit on Earth.
Initially much less dense than the human form of today.

There are several videos posted here which give full account of the evolution--the fall from grace--the battle beween the dark and the light.
The cyclic nature of it all--Cayce maintained that we ar again heading for a Golden Age and are in transition stage at this time.
I have no way of knowing truth or a good story well told.
However Im inclined to believe there is a lot of evidence to support Cayce's version of past and future.
Chris

More Cayce videos on this to be found here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1267148&viewfull=1#post1267148

[ripple]

Why the interest in this guy? What prompts so many people to be impressed by one untutored and simple individual who produced strange stories which are just his and his alone ? Certainly when it comes to him acting as a truth beam for ancient history and the role of Atlantis .
Here is a central criticism which gets to the heart of the issue -- it is an extract from Wiki


Science writers and skeptics have suggested that the evidence for Cayce's alleged psychic powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books. Martin Gardner, for example, wrote that while Cayce's trances did happen, most of the information from his trances was derived from books that Cayce had been reading by authors such as Carl Jung, P. D. Ouspensky, and Helena Blavatsky. Gardner's hypothesis was that the trance readings of Cayce contain, "little bits of information gleaned from here and there in the occult literature, spiced with occasional novelties from Cayce's unconscious.

It seems that so many people are desperate to hear from individuals whom they hope might have had a peep round the corner or even into the future .So desperate to answer questions that they suspend their intellect and substitute irrational belief for scientific process and the determination of truth by ways that stand detail investigation and that can be reproduced time after time .

If a major part of this Forum's rationale is to present a full and truthful background to the history of the last 100 years , say , why are fringe figures like Cayce distracting and deflecting from the much more important fundamentals ? I just 'don't get it ' , and I suspect it does a disservice to the movement as a whole . All imho .

As an important after thought , I am not trying to suggest that subjects like this one have no place whatsoever in the forum . And I certainly do not intend any rudeness toward the OP .

[greybeard]

ripple its good to be grounded as you obviously are.
For myself I tend to crosscheck as much as is possible.
The main peaker on Cayce relates some of what Caye said to Genesis in The Bible.
The Bible obviously was known by Cayce --however he gave new insights.
There obviously was cataclysmic events which he talked about and gave dates--which now seem confirmed.
Certainly undersea cities being discovered.
So interesting story or truth as said I dont know.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

link to the book first printed 1896

The Story of Atlantis and the Lost Lemuria by W. Scott-Elliot (https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/21796)

Here, as a PDF:


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/W.%20Scott-Elliot%20-%20Story%20of%20Atlantis%20and%20the%20Lost%20Lemuria.pdf

And also his other book, The Lost Lemuria:


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/W.%20Scott-Elliot%20-%20The%20Lost%20Lemuria%201904.pdf

[PurpleLama]

Why the interest in this guy? What prompts so many people to be impressed by one untutored and simple individual who produced strange stories which are just his and his alone ? Certainly when it comes to him acting as a truth beam for ancient history and the role of Atlantis .
Here is a central criticism which gets to the heart of the issue -- it is an extract from Wiki
QUOTE
Science writers and skeptics have suggested that the evidence for Cayce's alleged psychic powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books. Martin Gardner, for example, wrote that while Cayce's trances did happen, most of the information from his trances was derived from books that Cayce had been reading by authors such as Carl Jung, P. D. Ouspensky, and Helena Blavatsky. Gardner's hypothesis was that the trance readings of Cayce contain, "little bits of information gleaned from here and there in the occult literature, spiced with occasional novelties from Cayce's unconscious. END QUOTE


It seems that so many people are desperate to hear from individuals whom they hope might have had a peep round the corner or even into the future .So desperate to answer questions that they suspend their intellect and substitute irrational belief for scientific process and the determination of truth by ways that stand detail investigation and that can be reproduced time after time .
If a major part of this Forum's rationale is to present a full and truthful background to the history of the last 100 years , say , why are fringe figures like Cayce distracting and deflecting from the much more important fundamentals ? I just 'don't get it ' , and I suspect it does a disservice to the movement as a whole . All imho .

As an important after thought , I am not trying to suggest that subjects like this one have no place whatsoever in the forum . And I certainly do not intend any rudeness toward the OP .

I won't speak to the accuracy of the historical and prehistorical accounts given by Cayce within the so called life readings, but I will point out that his health/medical readings were overwhelmingly accurate. For those who applied the information given in these readings exactly as stated, there was a 99-100 percent rate of successful cures, which is a rate of success unheard of for any other psychic past or present. It is not without substantial reason that today Cayce is known as the father of holistic medicine. I have applied many of his recommendations both to myself and to friends and family with remarkable results.

Also, I would highly recommend reading the appendix to his biography There Is A River by Thomas Sugrue.

[Praxis]

at minute 19.

"explains they used both solar radiation to work through the crystals and they use stellar radiation from stars to . . . . ."


Um the Sun, SOL basis for SOLAR, is a star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-type_main-sequence_star).


Is he trying to say that they have technology attuned for G type main sequence stars that are nearby and that they also have a means from taking a stellar soup of far stars and collecting the radiation from them as well?

Or can they attune to specific far stars of a type or any type.

I am left confused and now suspect of this dude.

[ripple]

Chris , Have a glance at this list .

Timaeus and Critias by Plato, available in Penguin Classics.
Atlantis, the Antedeluvian World , by Ignatius Donnelly.
Edgar Cayce on Atlantis (Edgar Cayce series) by Edgar Evans Cayce.
The Stones of Atlantis by David Zink.
Isis Unveiled (1877) & The Secret Doctrine (1888) by Madame Blavatsky.
Atlantis The Lost Continent Finally Found by Prof Arysio Nunes dos Santos.
All & Everything: Beelzebub’s Tales To His Grandson by G.I. Gurdjieff.
Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation by Michael Tsarion.
When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis by Rand and Rose Flem-Ath.
Children of the Matrix by David Icke.

Each of the authors know where Atlantis was/is . Trouble is , each has a separate opinion -- my favourite is the Antarctica model .
Cayce makes the list but his info almost certainly was based on the triumvirate of Blavatsky and Gurdjieff ( both on the list ) plus the Russian Ouspensky who became close to Gurdjieff .
On what possible basis can 'you' say that Cayce is right but all of the others are not? Particularly as we know that Cayce loved the works of Madame B and the other two Russians -- he was apparently a prolific reader .
I think we should take Cayce's revelations about Atlantis with a huge pinch of salt even though I have little doubt that both he and his wife were well intentioned and as honest as they knew how to be .

Pleased you are not taking my comments personally -- I have a high regard for your posts . I particularly mention this because another member in another Topic decided I was a Troll because I questioned the Forum consensus opinion . Strange thinking . I am a Contrarian but not one of those ugly and foul Scandinavian cave dwellers . Yet .

[greybeard]

at minute 19.

"explains they used both solar radiation to work through the crystals and they use stellar radiation from stars to . . . . ."


Um the Sun, SOL basis for SOLAR, is a star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-type_main-sequence_star).


Is he trying to say that they have technology attuned for G type main sequence stars that are nearby and that they also have a means from taking a stellar soup of far stars and collecting the radiation from them as well?

Or can they attune to specific far stars of a type or any type.

I am left confused and now suspect of this dude.

Confused is ok as is suspicious.
Chris

[greybeard]

ripple put it this way.
One way or another a load of dots joined.
Mercury found to be used in Pyramids--and Indian flying machines.
As said I found new understanding of the Bible and early "humans" were hermaphrodite according to Cayce.
I dont have an opinion on any of it, so anything I post here is, according to "Cayce"
The truth can be stranger than fiction.

Chris

[lake]

Hey ripple....I read the thread which you reference, but may I ask if you comprehend the implications of "Where Science And Spirituality Meet"?

[lake]

Also, I would highly recommend reading the appendix to his biography There Is A River by Thomas Sugrue.

https://ia801605.us.archive.org/15/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.60076/2015.60076.There-Is-A-River.pdf

A PDF but a long download??? And I have a quite quick connection!

[DNA]

Why the interest in this guy? What prompts so many people to be impressed by one untutored and simple individual who produced strange stories which are just his and his alone ? Why does a education have to factor into genius?
And why would being simple hinder one's ability to be a genius?
This simple uneducated guy consulted the President of the United States while he was in trance. His abilities were so legendary he was sought by millionaires on how to play the stock market.

This simple uneducated guy prescribed the first successful treatment for a compound leg bone fracture, and at the time this meant you were going to be lame for the rest of your life in the limb the break had occurred. Cayce prescribed exact hardware and gave instructions on the specifications the black smith was to produce, these screws and plates were then placed on the bone and held it until the healing was complete.

Cayce prescribed THOUSANDS of cures for people, he didn't slap them on their head so they could jump up and do a jig and dance to the organ, he prescribed exact cures which had directions and ingredients these folks would have made at their local apothecary.


Certainly when it comes to him acting as a truth beam for ancient history and the role of Atlantis .
Here is a central criticism which gets to the heart of the issue
Back in the 1920's Cayce gave data for Atlantis going down that match the theory now associated with the Younger/Dryas theory in terms of their being an event that took place 11,500 years ago that was responsible for a mass of extinctions all over the planet.

Recently this time line by Cayce was given credence by the material discussed on this thread.
Huge asteroid crater found under the ice in Greenland (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105080-Huge-asteroid-crater-found-under-the-ice-in-Greenland/page3)


Science writers and skeptics have suggested that the evidence for Cayce's alleged psychic powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books. Martin Gardner, for example, wrote that while Cayce's trances did happen, most of the information from his trances was derived from books that Cayce had been reading by authors such as Carl Jung, P. D. Ouspensky, and Helena Blavatsky.
When something is true, it is a flower that is bound to grow in more than one garden.



Gardner's hypothesis was that the trance readings of Cayce contain, "little bits of information gleaned from here and there in the occult literature, spiced with occasional novelties from Cayce's unconscious. END QUOTE

Here is another crazy little tid bit on Cayce stating something that recent Science has backed up. LOL, this one is really good.
So if you have studied Cayce at all you will note that one of the over riding themes in his history of Atlantis was that two sides were fighting a war over the ethics of the using of animal/human hybrids as slave labor. Stay with me here.

In Sidney KirkPatrick's biography on Edgar Cayce written around ten years ago Cayce is asked back in the 1920's about Sasquatch and Edgar Cayce's answer was that Sasquatch was a hybrid left over from the times of Atlantis.
Now here is the kicker, in the first full genome ever done on a several Sasquatch specimen's it was determined that Sasquatch had the mitochondrial DNA of a human woman but the DNA of the father was unknown, which led to the conclusion that Sasquatch was some kind of HYBRID, and get this, he is only a 15,000 year old HYBRID. And this from a DNA full genome costing hundreds of thousands of dollars done in 2012.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YPyUdQkuI4


It seems that so many people are desperate to hear from individuals whom they hope might have had a peep round the corner or even into the future .So desperate to answer questions that they suspend their intellect and substitute irrational belief for scientific process and the determination of truth by ways that stand detail investigation and that can be reproduced time after time
It seems to me that if you are so busy with your arrogance presuming you know everything, it is very unlikely you will ever hear or truly understand anything. For folks who dwell in such arrogance there is very little mystery left in the world and such an existence would seem sad and quite boring to me.

[greybeard]

What I found very interesting, perhaps in another Edgar Cayce video.
See the links.
The journey of the soul laid out on the hieroglyphs in the Egyptian Pyramids--including the awakening of Kundalini--which I am particularly interest in.
That energy coming up through the chakras up over the crown and into the third eye.
Case also talks about a new body with additional chakras. A new root race.
There would certainly seem to be something going on with the evolution of consciousness.
This is in line with what the Maya predictions and also their view of the history of man kind.
Of course one can always find proof for what one believes in.

You pays your penny you take your choice.--plenty of them --smiling.

Chris

[DNA]

Chris , Have a glance at this list .

Timaeus and Critias by Plato, available in Penguin Classics.
Atlantis, the Antedeluvian World , by Ignatius Donnelly.
Edgar Cayce on Atlantis (Edgar Cayce series) by Edgar Evans Cayce.
The Stones of Atlantis by David Zink.
Isis Unveiled (1877) & The Secret Doctrine (1888) by Madame Blavatsky.
Atlantis The Lost Continent Finally Found by Prof Arysio Nunes dos Santos.
All & Everything: Beelzebub’s Tales To His Grandson by G.I. Gurdjieff.
Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation by Michael Tsarion.
When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis by Rand and Rose Flem-Ath.
Children of the Matrix by David Icke.

Each of the authors know where Atlantis was/is . Trouble is , each has a separate opinion -- my favourite is the Antarctica model .
Cayce makes the list but his info almost certainly was based on the triumvirate of Blavatsky and Gurdjieff ( both on the list ) plus the Russian Ouspensky who became close to Gurdjieff .
On what possible basis can 'you' say that Cayce is right but all of the others are not? Particularly as we know that Cayce loved the works of Madame B and the other two Russians -- he was apparently a prolific reader .
I think we should take Cayce's revelations about Atlantis with a huge pinch of salt even though I have little doubt that both he and his wife were well intentioned and as honest as they knew how to be .

Pleased you are not taking my comments personally -- I have a high regard for your posts . I particularly mention this because another member in another Topic decided I was a Troll because I questioned the Forum consensus opinion . Strange thinking . I am a Contrarian but not one of those ugly and foul Scandinavian cave dwellers . Yet .
You presume Atlantis and it's location are not known on some level.

There is a control system in this world, it has long been exercised on the media and on Acadamia.

We are told what we need to know, and like mushrooms we are kept in the dark and fed massive amounts of sh!t.

Do you Ripple believe that Acadamia is truly a system that teaches truth and seeks to educate the world? I'm of the opinion it is not.

[Bill Ryan]

Also, I would highly recommend reading the appendix to his biography There Is A River by Thomas Sugrue.

https://ia801605.us.archive.org/15/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.60076/2015.60076.There-Is-A-River.pdf

A PDF but a long download??? And I have a quite quick connection!

Also here: :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Thomas%20Sugrue%20-There%20is%20a%20River%20-%20The%20Story%20of%20Edgar%20Cayce.pdf

[ripple]

Hey ripple....I read the thread which you reference, but may I ask if you comprehend the implications of "Where Science And Spirituality Meet"?

Of course you may ask . But unfortunately I have no idea what your reference point is . However if Dr Marjan Davoudi is involved I will certainly make the effort . She is hot . And as I am working toward omniscience I feel sure the answer to your specific question is , Yes . :waving:

[lake]

Hey ripple....I read the thread which you reference, but may I ask if you comprehend the implications of "Where Science And Spirituality Meet"?

Of course you may ask . But unfortunately I have no idea what your reference point is . However if Dr Marjan Davoudi is involved I will certainly make the effort . She is hot . And as I am working toward omniscience I feel sure the answer to your specific question is , Yes . :waving:

My reference point is simply the 'tag line' of this forum which is present upon each and every page!

As to another reference....it would be Rudolf Steiner, who termed the phrase 'spiritual science' but I consider that he was more analyzing the aspects of man as a spirit rather than bringing the two fields together!

I must apologise to Greybeard as I am vastly off topic now....sorry :(

[Sunny-side-up]

at minute 19.

"explains they used both solar radiation to work through the crystals and they use stellar radiation from stars to . . . . ."


Um the Sun, SOL basis for SOLAR, is a star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-type_main-sequence_star).


Is he trying to say that they have technology attuned for G type main sequence stars that are nearby and that they also have a means from taking a stellar soup of far stars and collecting the radiation from them as well?

Or can they attune to specific far stars of a type or any type.

I am left confused and now suspect of this dude.

That is true ripple, our sun is a star, it gives off a very powerful radiation.

Maybe the stellar radiation as mentioned might be vied differently if thought of as 'interstellar radiation' a refined mixture of many different stars.

that works for me :sun:

[greybeard]

hi lake
your signature = normal is under the apology for being off topic.
Well its normal for me too.Smiling broadly.
Some times off topic can bring up very interesting information--thanks to you and ripple
Feel free--it keeps the thread alive.
Chris

¤=[Post Update]=¤

DNA thanks for your contribution I am aware that you know more about Edgar Cayce than I.
We are on the same page--my Scorpio friend>

Chris

[ripple]

at minute 19.

"explains they used both solar radiation to work through the crystals and they use stellar radiation from stars to . . . . ."
Um the Sun, SOL basis for SOLAR, is a star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-type_main-sequence_star).


Is he trying to say that they have technology attuned for G type main sequence stars that are nearby and that they also have a means from taking a stellar soup of far stars and collecting the radiation from them as well?
Or can they attune to specific far stars of a type or any type.
I am left confused and now suspect of this dude.

That is true ripple, our sun is a star, it gives off a very powerful radiation.

Maybe the stellar radiation as mentioned might be vied differently if thought of as 'interstellar radiation' a refined mixture of many different stars.

that works for me :sun:

If it works for you and does not hurt others , it seems fine to me . But quite why I am mentioned by you I do not know . I have voiced no opinions about the radiation you refer to, though I happen to believe that it is solar and cosmic energy which is affecting our planet negatively right now in terms of earthquakes and volcanos .But that is generally understood --- solar minimum etc . There are others who also trace cyclical activity to the incidence of wars , years of aggressive behaviour and people behaving irrationally and violently .All that seems possible and perhaps we are in the mid of such activity right now and until around 2022 . But I highlight the possibility rather than assert it as fact .

[TrumanCash]

I had two lifetimes on Atlantis circa 12,300 to 12,400 years ago. In the first lifetime I was sacrificed on a stone slab (perhaps a sarcophagus) in a temple on Atlantis. I recovered this memory on Dec 6, 1995 and I documented this in the EYE OF RA (pages 99-100 of the PDF, link below).

Edgar Cayce confirmed that "human sacrifice" was practiced "in the latter portion of Atlantis" [Reading 364-4]. This was pointed out to me by Justplain here: http://www.was-this-atlantis.info/cayce/16.html

[ripple]

Hey ripple....I read the thread which you reference, but may I ask if you comprehend the implications of "Where Science And Spirituality Meet"?

Of course you may ask . But unfortunately I have no idea what your reference point is . However if Dr Marjan Davoudi is involved I will certainly make the effort . She is hot . And as I am working toward omniscience I feel sure the answer to your specific question is , Yes . :waving:

My reference point is simply the 'tag line' of this forum which is present upon each and every page!

As to another reference....it would be Rudolf Steiner, who termed the phrase 'spiritual science' but I consider that he was more analyzing the aspects of man as a spirit rather than bringing the two fields together!

I must apologise to Greybeard as I am vastly off topic now....sorry :(


Surprised to see Steiner appear out of nowhere . Now there you have an eccentric and many have argued a cult leader . Poor guy was saddled with this criticism :-
"His belief system is so eccentric, so unsupported by evidence, so manifestly bizarre, that rational skeptics are bound to consider it delusional.... But, whereas Einstein's way of perceiving the world by thought became confirmed by experiment and mathematical proof, Steiner's remained intensely subjective and insusceptible of objective confirmation."
And then there was former Waldorf pupil Dan Dugan and historian Geoffrey Ahem who criticised anthroposophy as a dangerous cult that is fundamentally anti rational and anti scientific .
Poor Steiner . Hardly Top of the Pops in many circles .

[Delight]

Hey ripple....I read the thread which you reference, but may I ask if you comprehend the implications of "Where Science And Spirituality Meet"?

Of course you may ask . But unfortunately I have no idea what your reference point is . However if Dr Marjan Davoudi is involved I will certainly make the effort . She is hot . And as I am working toward omniscience I feel sure the answer to your specific question is , Yes . :waving:

My reference point is simply the 'tag line' of this forum which is present upon each and every page!

As to another reference....it would be Rudolf Steiner, who termed the phrase 'spiritual science' but I consider that he was more analyzing the aspects of man as a spirit rather than bringing the two fields together!

I must apologise to Greybeard as I am vastly off topic now....sorry :(

Surprised to see Steiner appear out of nowhere . Now there you have an eccentric and many have argued a cult leader . Poor guy was saddled with this criticism :-
"His belief system is so eccentric, so unsupported by evidence, so manifestly bizarre, that rational skeptics are bound to consider it delusional.... But, whereas Einstein's way of perceiving the world by thought became confirmed by experiment and mathematical proof, Steiner's remained intensely subjective and insusceptible of objective confirmation."
And then there was former Waldorf pupil Dan Dugan and historian Geoffrey Ahem who criticised anthroposophy as a dangerous cult that is fundamentally anti rational and anti scientific .
Poor Steiner . Hardly Top of the Pops in many circles .

Just have to respond because actaully Cayce and Steiner are united by genius.

I don't think anyone really needs to pity Steiner at all. IMO he was a true Romantic and a deeply feeling human who also had a great thinking ability. He was able to create in several ways. His educational and agricultural systems still have practical value despite some not enjoying them or understanding them. He created ecologies for living beings
He also drafted architecture that is unique. He also is famous as the interpreter of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. He was a mystic and IMO and actaully at this time, his concern about humanity's struggle in the middle of polar forces of Lucifer and Ahriman look very reasonable. If anyone cares, this is a very loving documentary that will make people smile while watching IMO.

WC6ueaROLew

For me the value of his educational and agricultural contributions remind me of Edgar Cayce's contributions to holistic health. In both cases, observing the truth and utility of some of his work means mAYBE, even if I don't grasp the more esoteric aspects of Steiner and Cayce, there is SOMETHING THERE?

[onawah]

Hey DNA, The Ignore option works really well! I use it often. (Seriously.) :nod:
I realize everyone probably has a long list of videos and articles they haven't been able to get around to perusing, but I highly recommend Dark Journalist's X Series, which weaves through a number of connected themes including Cayce's material, Atlantis, Rudolf Steiner, Theosophy, Anthroposophy, the Secret Space Program, ancient knowledge of ETs and UFOs, etc.
Also Trump's uncle who was very informed about many secret subjects and how he probably passed a lot of that on down to his nephew, etc.
Extremely interesting if you really want to connect a lot of dots which most will ignore, and then never understand what they've missed, why they have a lot of info that doesn't add up, and why don't "get" the big picture.
Many of the X Series episodes featured on this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network-16-March-2018&highlight=dark+journalist
Or go directly to the youtube page, where all the episodes are listed in order: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m2Qvh85QBY&list=PLNfJkzByQRux01gvudalzEGUgoH496qay





It seems that so many people are desperate to hear from individuals whom they hope might have had a peep round the corner or even into the future .So desperate to answer questions that they suspend their intellect and substitute irrational belief for scientific process and the determination of truth by ways that stand detail investigation and that can be reproduced time after time
It seems to me that if you are so busy with your arrogance presuming you know everything, it is very unlikely you will ever hear or truly understand anything. For folks who dwell in such arrogance there is very little mystery left in the world and such an existence would seem sad and quite boring to me.

[greybeard]

A lot of relevant information out there.
Thanks to onawah for the pointing.

Chris

[ripple]

Do you Ripple believe that Acadamia is truly a system that teaches truth and seeks to educate the world? I'm of the opinion it is not.

I pick up on this question and to an extent remind you of the standard reply .
Academia based on scholarship represents scientific method and process and is the only way we know how to arrive at consensus views on matters where rational investigation is used . Hypotheses stand or fall over time in the light of research findings which can always be duplicated . I think we all know ( or think we know ) that there are areas where TPTB probably withhold full truths and/or seek to misinform , disinform and sometimes blatantly lie .Quite separately I believe there are good arguments to support such actions occasionally , although that view might be contended here .
I think that if we somehow compiled a list of all academic matters and compared it to the number within that total where we believed there was deliberate dishonesty , we might have a ratio of something like many million to 100 . That represents one attempted measure of dishonesty . And it amounts to very little---- one in a million if the ratio is one hundred from one hundred million . Against that , you might reasonably argue that many of those topics where information / results are suppressed are those that are of the most crucial importance to mankind , both immediate and longer term .
And , of course , that position is the one 'we 'argue over constantly --- who is best positioned in all aspects to make those kind of decisions .For whom and , Why .
In the case of Cayce and his view of the history of Atlantis , he presents a hypothesis and supports it with no evidence . That is interesting but no more than that . Unfortunately, many other researchers have produced alternative hypotheses and some seem more evidence linked than the Cayce proposition--- see my earlier list .I have grave doubts that TPTB or the scientific establishment have any good reasons to deliberately suppress the Cayce narrative . It is simply just one person's belief . Period .

You seem to be a big Cayce fan because you are keen to somehow make his Atlantis scenario more acceptable by referring to unrelated areas where you believe his track record is stronger . Of course , logically that is inadmissible .
But bear in mind that all of his work had serious critics .Not TPTB who wanted him silent . But jobbing specialists simply doing their best and using scientific method and process .

Below are Wiki cited criticisms , some of which I referred to previously ;_
Skeptics challenge Cayce's alleged psychic abilities. Medical health experts are critical of Cayce's unorthodox treatments, which they regard as quackery.
Science writers and skeptics have suggested that the evidence for Cayce's alleged psychic powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books. Martin Gardner, for example, wrote that while Cayce's trances did happen, most of the information from his trances was derived from books that Cayce had been reading by authors such as Carl Jung, P. D. Ouspensky, and Helena Blavatsky. Gardner's hypothesis was that the trance readings of Cayce contain, "little bits of information gleaned from here and there in the occult literature, spiced with occasional novelties from Cayce's unconscious."
Michael Shermer writes in Why People Believe Weird Things, "Uneducated beyond the ninth grade, Cayce acquired his broad knowledge through voracious reading and from this he wove elaborate tales." Shermer wrote that, "Cayce was fantasy-prone from his youth, often talking with angels and receiving visions of his dead grandfather." Magician James Randi has said that "Cayce was fond of expressions like 'I feel that' and 'perhaps'—qualifying words used to avoid positive declarations." Examination of the readings do not show qualifying terms.
Investigator Joe Nickell has noted:
Although Cayce was never subjected to proper testing, ESP pioneer Joseph B. Rhine of Duke University — who should have been sympathetic to Cayce's claims — was unimpressed. A reading that Cayce gave for Rhine's daughter was notably inaccurate. Frequently, Cayce was even wider off the mark, as when he provided diagnoses of subjects who had died since the letters requesting the readings were sent.
Science writer Karen Stollznow has written:
The reality is that his cures were hearsay and his treatments were folk remedies that were useless at best and dangerous at worse ... Cayce wasn't able to cure his own cousin, or his own son who died as a baby. Many of Cayce's readings took place after the patient had already died. END OF QUOTE

These are serious critiques and ones you cannot ignore just because they interfere with your existing overview and core belief system . That you then attribute , Arrogance , to my contribution is ironic . Given that I make every point with reason and citation and make no dogmatic assertions , I think you need to re-examine your own position with diligence.

[greybeard]

I see what you are saying ripple and where you are coming from which is a valid/scientific way of looking at what is presented.
I would however say that Edgar Cayce was not giving an opinion---in trance its not really possible to give an opinion as its the subconscious that is operating.
Im not validating what Cayce said in trance but what I find particularly interesting is the take on the Egyptian Hyroglyphics which is at least logical and of course Kundalini--which is well documented as part of the process of spiritual awakening and is within my own experience without ever reading about it--ie a spontaneous awakening.

Every ones input here is welcomed and valued--I cant read, study, everything, so its a further cross check to what may be so, or not, as the case might be.

Chris

[greybeard]

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Presenting John Van Auken, Prolific Author, Speaker, Teacher & Director of the Edgar Cayce Foundation. John Van Auken's Presentation is mesmerizing, captivating & fascinating from start to finish. His very interesting topic - 'Ancient Egyptian Visions of the Soul-Life', provides little known , amazing information from the Cayce readings on Ancient Egyptian Cosmological beliefs.... the interpretations & insights are as brilliant as they are astonishing. John beautifully merges the ancient Egyptian Spiritual beliefs with the prolific readings of Edgar Cayce , as well as compelling correlations & alignments with Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism , Christianity. & Gnostic Spirituality. www.Earth-Keeper.com All Copyrights Reserved to Earth-Keeper 2018



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCkeCnFPpHA

[petra]

I would however say that Edgar Cayce was not giving an opinion---in trance its not really possible to give an opinion as its the subconscious that is operating

MMh. I tend to disagree with this statement because it insinuates everything that comes out of the subconscious is always true, which it clearly isn't (since if it's NOT an opinion, then it must be true)

In my mind, the stuff that comes out of his mouth is ALL opinion, just not necessarily his own until he chooses to adopt the statements he made after he has been briefed on what he said while in the trance (insert eye roll)

My burning question is "What was it like on Atlantis?". Channeled information is interesting and so are past life memories but what I'd really like so see is something like a diary from an Atlantean who wrote it while they were still Atlantean. TrumanCash's past life memories are pretty scary though so maybe I better be careful what I wish for. That one's certainly a mistake we can learn from!

[DNA]

I pick up on this question and to an extent remind you of the standard reply .
Academia based on scholarship represents scientific method and process and is the only way we know how to arrive at consensus views on matters where rational investigation is used . Hypotheses stand or fall over time in the light of research findings which can always be duplicated . I think we all know ( or think we know ) that there are areas where TPTB probably withhold full truths and/or seek to misinform , disinform and sometimes blatantly lie .Quite separately I believe there are good arguments to support such actions occasionally , although that view might be contended here .
I think that if we somehow compiled a list of all academic matters and compared it to the number within that total where we believed there was deliberate dishonesty , we might have a ratio of something like many million to 100 . That represents one attempted measure of dishonesty . And it amounts to very little---- one in a million if the ratio is one hundred from one hundred million . Against that , you might reasonably argue that many of those topics where information / results are suppressed are those that are of the most crucial importance to mankind , both immediate and longer term .
And , of course , that position is the one 'we 'argue over constantly --- who is best positioned in all aspects to make those kind of decisions .For whom and , Why .
In the case of Cayce and his view of the history of Atlantis , he presents a hypothesis and supports it with no evidence . That is interesting but no more than that . Unfortunately, many other researchers have produced alternative hypotheses and some seem more evidence linked than the Cayce proposition--- see my earlier list .I have grave doubts that TPTB or the scientific establishment have any good reasons to deliberately suppress the Cayce narrative . It is simply just one person's belief . Period .

You seem to be a big Cayce fan because you are keen to somehow make his Atlantis scenario more acceptable by referring to unrelated areas where you believe his track record is stronger . Of course , logically that is inadmissible .
But bear in mind that all of his work had serious critics .Not TPTB who wanted him silent . But jobbing specialists simply doing their best and using scientific method and process .

Below are Wiki cited criticisms , some of which I referred to previously ;_
Skeptics challenge Cayce's alleged psychic abilities. Medical health experts are critical of Cayce's unorthodox treatments, which they regard as quackery.
Science writers and skeptics have suggested that the evidence for Cayce's alleged psychic powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books. Martin Gardner, for example, wrote that while Cayce's trances did happen, most of the information from his trances was derived from books that Cayce had been reading by authors such as Carl Jung, P. D. Ouspensky, and Helena Blavatsky. Gardner's hypothesis was that the trance readings of Cayce contain, "little bits of information gleaned from here and there in the occult literature, spiced with occasional novelties from Cayce's unconscious."
Michael Shermer writes in Why People Believe Weird Things, "Uneducated beyond the ninth grade, Cayce acquired his broad knowledge through voracious reading and from this he wove elaborate tales." Shermer wrote that, "Cayce was fantasy-prone from his youth, often talking with angels and receiving visions of his dead grandfather." Magician James Randi has said that "Cayce was fond of expressions like 'I feel that' and 'perhaps'—qualifying words used to avoid positive declarations." Examination of the readings do not show qualifying terms.
Investigator Joe Nickell has noted:
Although Cayce was never subjected to proper testing, ESP pioneer Joseph B. Rhine of Duke University — who should have been sympathetic to Cayce's claims — was unimpressed. A reading that Cayce gave for Rhine's daughter was notably inaccurate. Frequently, Cayce was even wider off the mark, as when he provided diagnoses of subjects who had died since the letters requesting the readings were sent.
Science writer Karen Stollznow has written:
The reality is that his cures were hearsay and his treatments were folk remedies that were useless at best and dangerous at worse ... Cayce wasn't able to cure his own cousin, or his own son who died as a baby. Many of Cayce's readings took place after the patient had already died. END OF QUOTE

These are serious critiques and ones you cannot ignore just because they interfere with your existing overview and core belief system . That you then attribute , Arrogance , to my contribution is ironic . Given that I make every point with reason and citation and make no dogmatic assertions , I think you need to re-examine your own position with diligence.
Troll-hood motto: Never, ever, however, whatsoever, to anyone, a point concede.

[greybeard]

Petra--to be sure im aware that what comes from the subconscious is not necessarily true--the place where dreams are made.
Cayce could see Atlantis as it was then, through doing past lives on "clients"
He got the picture--he maintained there is only the present moment--so everything is available as though it is happening now.
Its not quite channelled information as there is no exterior being in this case--just Cayce and client.
Im just repeating what is in some of the videos--I dont have an opinion other than finding the material interesting.

Chris

[samildamach]

I find it interesting in the interview,they mention briefly 12 chakras will be inside the body rather than Severn.
Because we really do have the other five inside are field already. Four above the crown and one below the feet.has anybody felt a moving closer of the outside chakras towards the body?

[ripple]

I would however say that Edgar Cayce was not giving an opinion---in trance its not really possible to give an opinion as its the subconscious that is operating.

Chris[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the nod .
Noting your own feelings and adding them to those generally reported in the separate thread , 'The World of Future Shock is already here ', we do appear to see that information overload is something very real and highly stressful .
In terms of available input , everything has speeded exponentially, but , for the majority , input response capacity and times have stayed the same or even dropped due to information amount plus complexity .
People's world views are being assaulted and challenged more frequently and they break down to some degree or another .
Some cannot find the time to even keep pace with available information and that induces all sorts of problems with guilt prominent .
Others , try to keep things simple and often without realising just become more selective in order to make sure that their 'safe house ' is not blown away . And so on .

So , with the greatest respect I believe EC was giving opinions from trance . They may have been channeled or handed to him by ethereal messengers but that is no different in essence from any opinion we might have which has been handed to us by our ethereal messengers we label as BBC , Al Jazeera , Zero Hedge and Breitbart , for example .Our Angels and the end result is our overall reported opinion , not the detail sounds from which the summary opinion is made from .
This becomes particularly pertinent to EC , I suggest , because the one thing he did was read . Prodigiously ,for all his life . This is something I cannot stress too much because it is possibly at the heart of an explanation of his apparent ability to match up trance details with existing information that he had read perhaps years previously .

[ripple]

[QUOTE=DNA;1270259
Troll-hood motto: Never, ever, however, whatsoever, to anyone, a point concede.[/QUOTE]

Please don't beat yourself too much . I am always delighted to concede anything if there is a worthwhile and evidence based rebuttal .
And I certainly do not regard you as an intended Troll . Perhaps too dogmatically stuck to a narrow view but hey ho , ---- there we all go .

[Ernie Nemeth]

If it wasn't so counter to the world's intended goal, it would be obvious that we share one mind. And that mind is all yhere is. Just as our nightly dreams seem real, so too do our waking dreams that we currently take as waking reality. Right now we believe that when we die we are born into a new reality. We will advance when we understand viscerely that we need not die to be born again...

[petra]

Its not quite channelled information as there is no exterior being in this case--just Cayce and client.
Im just repeating what is in some of the videos--I dont have an opinion other than finding the material interesting.


That just doesn't add up for me. Sentences don't just construct themselves out of thin air. The other possibility in my mind if it's not channeling, is programming, which would have been done by a programmer.

I'm awfully protective of Cayce, that's for sure. My opinion is that he was being abused - maybe not all of the time - but my point being that there was certainly lots of opportunity for the beyond to abuse that man, considering how much of his time he spent in trances.

[johnf]

This is interesting how the discussion is turning toward the process of Cayce's trance state. I would like to share an idea concerning opinion versus fact. That is, an opinion is an idea based on little or no observation. So fact's would be things that can be directly observed. My biggest curiosity about the whole thing is what is speaking when he is in trance? I vaguely remember some idea of guides or something. To have a statement there must be some sort of software running the voice, or making the fingers type. This is why I tend to spend less time with this sort of subject, and more with learning how to just observe.



John

[Sunny-side-up]

at minute 19.

"explains they used both solar radiation to work through the crystals and they use stellar radiation from stars to . . . . ."
Um the Sun, SOL basis for SOLAR, is a star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-type_main-sequence_star).


Is he trying to say that they have technology attuned for G type main sequence stars that are nearby and that they also have a means from taking a stellar soup of far stars and collecting the radiation from them as well?
Or can they attune to specific far stars of a type or any type.
I am left confused and now suspect of this dude.

That is true ripple, our sun is a star, it gives off a very powerful radiation.

Maybe the stellar radiation as mentioned might be vied differently if thought of as 'interstellar radiation' a refined mixture of many different stars.

that works for me :sun:

If it works for you and does not hurt others , it seems fine to me . But quite why I am mentioned by you I do not know . I have voiced no opinions about the radiation you refer to, though I happen to believe that it is solar and cosmic energy which is affecting our planet negatively right now in terms of earthquakes and volcanos .But that is generally understood --- solar minimum etc . There are others who also trace cyclical activity to the incidence of wars , years of aggressive behaviour and people behaving irrationally and violently .All that seems possible and perhaps we are in the mid of such activity right now and until around 2022 . But I highlight the possibility rather than assert it as fact .

My bad ripple, it was for Praxis

[greybeard]

Lots of interesting thoughts on What Cayce delivered in trance--None of which I really dismiss.
What Ernie posted re One mind I can go with.
To further muddy the water Its not Cayce being interviewed --he is long gone.
So even though the Cayce material was obviously well studied by this expert in the opening video and others--it is his opinion on what Case meant--through hundreds of recorded client sessions stapled together.
Does seem that some of what he said was found to be true after the past life reading.

Perhaps some of it or all of it is true or none of it.
Whatever its worth a thought
The last video posted worth a good look---I will again-- a lot in it to take in.

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

The enlightened ones all say the same: I am that. You cannot be this and that unless they are the same (ie emanating from the same ground of being). To ask for and insist on purely factual proof is like asking someone what chocolate tastes like if you haven't ever partook. Or what love feels like if you've never been in love. That is how this world perpetuates itself, by distraction, by illogic, by incomplete understandings. Can the truth be known in part? Or does truth come in a comprehensive package?

[greybeard]

The enlightened ones all say the same: I am that. You cannot be this and that unless they are the same (ie emanating from the same ground of being). To ask for and insist on purely factual proof is like asking someone what chocolate tastes like if you haven't ever partook. Or what love feels like if you've never been in love. That is how this world perpetuates itself, by distraction, by illogic, by incomplete understandings. Can the truth be known in part? Or does truth come in a comprehensive package?

Needless to say Ernie I agree with this post.
Im just passing in time in Maya.
Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

I know you understand, Chris. But it is the most difficult thing to grasp in this world because it is the most dangerous concept of all to the ego, its world, and its fundamental philosophy of: seek but never find...

[greybeard]

I know you understand, Chris. But it is the most difficult thing to grasp in this world because it is the most dangerous concept of all to the ego, its world, and its fundamental philosophy of: seek but never find...

The mind will never get it Ernie--as you know.
The intellect wants more and more information--which is just distraction from Ultimate Truth.
Time spent in meditation will at the least give a glimpse of this.
At least the Cayce videos point to a return to our natural state.
He was asked how enlightenment would feel--his answer "Familiar"
Thanks again for your input Ernie--the so called search can get lonely.
Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

You cannot find the answer alone; you cannot be enlightened on your own; we are never alone!

[greybeard]

You cannot find the answer alone; you cannot bevenlightened on your own; we are never alone!

The energy of the Self-realized is helpful--that's why I listen to their videos-intellectually I get it.
Prayer and with Mantra there is a connection that energy which has been used for thousands of years--uplifting.

im probably off topic again---smiling
Its all One topic to me
Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

Back to topic?

Come on, with a name like that how can he be anything but legit?

Gotta be the coolest name ever.

Edgar also predicted that a portion of Atlantis would be found, I think in 1969, around the island of Bimini. That year they did discover strange step-like features that certainly seemed to be unnatural, although the experts concluded that the formations were in fact natural.

But the trance healings he did were some amazing prognostications, fully documented and vetted, if I recall the circumstances correctly.

Predicting the future is troublesome any way you cut it. The logic of it quickly morphs into quasi-intellectual nonsense. It cannot be that the future is set, unless the past skips over the present, so to speak.

So one would expect a certain amount of incorrect predictions. Cayce's record was well above any noise level that could be used to argue away his skill as chance or luck.

[greybeard]

Earth-Keeper: John Van Auken: We Are Rays of Light! Genesis of Humanity


Viewable in HD:2015: Absolutely Brilliant ! Earth-Keeper Presents Author & Teacher, John Van Auken. This is a must-see video lecture on the genesis of humanity on Earth, based on the prolific Edgar Cayce readings, with academic correlations to Egyptian, Greek & Mayan Cosmology.John Van Auken has written over 25 books, as well as hundreds of articles and authored dozens of CD courses. He is an excellent speaker, and is considered one of the worlds foremost experts on the Cayce readings, Atlantis, Egyptian Cosmology, Spiritual Growth, Life Purpose, Meditation, Healing and the Genesis and Purpose of Humanity on the Earth. John's is a true Walking Master, a highly advanced soul of gentle demeanor, a great source of wisdom and a warm endearing nature. His talks are uplifting, and teeming with fascinating insights and enlightening truths. John will be a Keynote Speaker at the Earth-Keeper 2015 Events in Denver, Colorado in May 2015, and in Hot Springs, Arkansas (The Crystal Vortex) in November of 2015. Take time to watch this video...it is wonderful. The lecture was filmed live, and begins after the opening music. All Rights Duly Reserved - Earth-Keeper / James Tyberonn Star-Gate Productions www.Earth-Keeper.com www.EdgarCayce.Org


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU2ZiWCvLcE


Ps There is obviously a lot of retelling of the same story slightly different but each telling reveals a new nugget--so worth spending the time on viewing I think.
Ch

[greybeard]

I have to say my recent journey into the Cayce videos has opened my eyes wider.
All well presented by John Van Auken.
More here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1267148&viewfull=1#post1267148

[Sunny-side-up]

I have to say my recent journey into the Cayce videos has opened my eyes wider.
All well presented by John Van Auken.
More here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1267148&viewfull=1#post1267148

For better or for worse ?

[greybeard]

Good question--Sunny-side-up.
My core belief in Self-realization has not changed--perhaps enhanced.
Cayce is taking one on a journey to enlightenment.
Modern sages lik Rupert Spira--Mooji and others say that this is a great time to Realize the Truth.
One no longer has to spend hours in solitude meditating or complex rituals.
You are "That" here and now---this fact has to be uncovered--not sought after--"out there"
Cayce point to a golden age--I do believe its cyclic.
The ancient mystics talked of the out breath and in breath of God--that may happen.

The Edgar Cayce teachings are not contrary to oneness or enlightenment, quite the opposite.
We will just have to see what happens--I may miss the boat though--might be another twenty years.

Chris

[greybeard]

Atlantis Discoveries that Show a Lost Global Civilisation Existed on Earth

The ocean is home to many mysteries, the biggest one being the location of Atlantis. Even today, thousands of years after it disappeared it still boggles minds of all the scientists around the world. From the coast of Spain to Antarctica and even to the eye of the Sahara, many places have been theorised as being the home of the great ancient civilization. From time to time, historians and archaeologists locate ruins and undersea rock formation—that might be a source of the Atlantis story, these keep our interest renewed even today.

"Slightly off topic but relevant ---chris"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHwN0Bl4fqs

[greybeard]

Edgar Cayce's Greatest Hits with Peter Woodbury
This is slightly off topic but very interesting non the less.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIwZFgFw_5w

[greybeard]

Naked Science - Atlantis

A disaster is looming. A fabulous city, rich in culture, and technological advances, is about to be destroyed. Buildings, people, an entire civilisation, swept away by an overwhelming natural disaster. The legend has entranced scientists and scholars for centuries.

In this episode Naked Science goes in search of the most enduring myth of all - The City of Atlantis - lost beneath the waves to a massive natural cataclysm some 11,000 years ago. We know very little of Atlantis, in fact were it not for the writings of the Greek philosopher Plato we might not have encountered it at all. Plato, recounting a story he heard as a child, described a huge metropolis, rich in fine art, architecture and culture. The city was destroyed in the space of a day and a night, sunk beneath the waves for eternity by a massive natural cataclysm. For thousands of years the tale remained an obscure yet tantalising fable until an American by the name of Ignatius Donnelly reignited the idea, bringing it to worldwide attention and sending archaeologists and trophy hunters alike across the globe in its wake.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqauNqFwt5I

[Pam]

The enlightened ones all say the same: I am that. You cannot be this and that unless they are the same (ie emanating from the same ground of being). To ask for and insist on purely factual proof is like asking someone what chocolate tastes like if you haven't ever partook. Or what love feels like if you've never been in love. That is how this world perpetuates itself, by distraction, by illogic, by incomplete understandings. Can the truth be known in part? Or does truth come in a comprehensive package?

Beautiful post, Ernie, I could have spouted that saying "We are One" for years now and believed I understood it. But there are so many levels of understanding. Only recently am I really feeling the truth of it almost at the cellular level, I feel it vibrating within me. It is very hard to explain. What I can say is that is so much deeper and incorporated now and there is untold beauty and love in that understanding that I never saw before. Perhaps in the future I will see that this understanding was small and incomplete. What an interesting journey the whole thing is.

[greybeard]

Edgar Cayce Readings on the Akashic Records, Karmic Memory, Predictions and Atlantis

Edgar Cayce, was perhaps the most prolific psychic in the history of humanity, producing a vast library of readings. Kevin Todeschi has studied the life and practices and shares details of Cayce’s life and techniques for tapping into a higher source of consciousness. Topics that Cayce spoke on included the Akashic records, karmic memory, miracles, predictions for our future and Atlantis.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upBLdt2pgdU

[Lunesoleil]

According to Cayce, Atlantis was destroyed by volcanic and earthquake-like 'explosions' on three distinct and widely-separated occasions.



For Edgar Cayce, Uranus was linked to the Atlanteans. This is what he says about the planet Uranus => "The entity is not only an Atlantean, but also a Uranian. Hence this inner certainty that she is sometimes right and that all the others, without exception, are wrong! Or the opposite: everyone is right, except her! Which gives a rather special personality, influenced […] by Uranus who takes her to extremes in her desires. The entity needs urgently and all the time to love someone - which can be good or very bad… (readings 3226-1) and again => We find on Uranus the extremes and yet for this entity, the total awareness of its fullness dating from this experience of life in Atlantis - (readings 2794-3) and to finish => Here we find Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Uranus. And Uranus Yes, who in this life in Atlantis gave the entity these extraordinary skills - and brings about these sudden, extreme circumstances that arise in his life (reading 2791-1) p.404 of the book "the universe of '' Edgar Cayce by Dorothée Koechkin de Bizemont Marabout collection

Atlantis is also an Asteroid under the code 1198, since September 25 entered the sign of Virgo and will end up in the Neptune opposition axis between December 2020 / January 2021 with a return in July 2021, due to the retrograde phase of asteroid. I have written a few articles on Atlantis. At home Atlantis is located at 22 ° Sagittarius not far from the Galactic Center and in its progression will be in conjunction with the new cycle of Jupiter / Saturn of December 21, time of the winter solstice. The Neptune / Atlantis opposition phase can bring to the surface vestiges of this engulfed continent ???, I am thinking rather of conspiracy theories on Atlantis, the opposition is not worth the conjunction. We can bring out inconsistencies through new investigations that do not hold water ...

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=fr&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://lunesoleil23.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/atlantis-en-conjonction-neptune-ou-le-retour-a-une-civilisation-retrouvee/&usg=ALkJrhi4wvfTemzjgQOslUDcPoRzhauu2w

:wizard:

Other discussion :
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113035-Astrology-of-the-Age-of-Aquarius-according-to-Edgar-Cayce

[Guru Know It All.]

Thank you for this post. I love Edgar Cayce. One of my favourite books of his is There is a River. Stay happy healthy & Wealthy my friend.

[Brenya]

Why the interest in this guy? What prompts so many people to be impressed by one untutored and simple individual who produced strange stories which are just his and his alone ? Certainly when it comes to him acting as a truth beam for ancient history and the role of Atlantis .
Here is a central criticism which gets to the heart of the issue -- it is an extract from Wiki


Science writers and skeptics have suggested that the evidence for Cayce's alleged psychic powers comes from contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, testimonials, and books. Martin Gardner, for example, wrote that while Cayce's trances did happen, most of the information from his trances was derived from books that Cayce had been reading by authors such as Carl Jung, P. D. Ouspensky, and Helena Blavatsky. Gardner's hypothesis was that the trance readings of Cayce contain, "little bits of information gleaned from here and there in the occult literature, spiced with occasional novelties from Cayce's unconscious.

It seems that so many people are desperate to hear from individuals whom they hope might have had a peep round the corner or even into the future .So desperate to answer questions that they suspend their intellect and substitute irrational belief for scientific process and the determination of truth by ways that stand detail investigation and that can be reproduced time after time .

If a major part of this Forum's rationale is to present a full and truthful background to the history of the last 100 years , say , why are fringe figures like Cayce distracting and deflecting from the much more important fundamentals ? I just 'don't get it ' , and I suspect it does a disservice to the movement as a whole . All imho .

As an important after thought , I am not trying to suggest that subjects like this one have no place whatsoever in the forum . And I certainly do not intend any rudeness toward the OP .



I'm very late to this party, but as someone who has read Cayce for many years, I wanted to add a bit.

Cayce was fundamentally religious when he began "reading" and the real question is what was occurring during those times. In my opinion, Cayce was tapping into a form of intelligence, Akashic records, etheric sphere, whatever, but like virtually all "channels," it was filtered through his language and personality, which always leaves its own branding.

One of the interesting aspects of Cayce was that he recommended specific health treatments that--when followed--tended to help ease physical ailments. Some of them, like his castor oil pack are very popular today in the alternative health community.

On Atlantis, Cayce said something very interesting--that we're creating Atlantis in our present and future for our past. That's paraphrased because I'm not sure of the original source where I read it, but it's an interesting concept and one that suggests this world is more of a vibrational nature than we might think.

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Thank you for this post. I love Edgar Cayce. One of my favourite books of his is There is a River. Stay happy healthy & Wealthy my friend.



I read There is a River in my teen years and it changed my entire perception. In my opinion, it should be required reading in schools.

[Bill Ryan]

I read There is a River in my teen years and it changed my entire perception. In my opinion, it should be required reading in schools.Yes, here it is: :sun:


There Is a River: The Story of Edgar Cayce (Thomas Joseph Sugrue)
https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Thomas%20Joseph%20Sugrue%20-%20The%20Story%20of%20Edgar%20Cayce%20-%20There%20Is%20a%20River.pdf

[greybeard]

Edgar Cayce And The Children Of Law Of One

This is a very full account of the various evolutions /form that consciousness went through.
Pre Atlantis and post Atlantis
Fascinating
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IsSUqWx158

I have dedicated several podcasts to the law of one as well as Edgar Cayce. Edgar Cayce known as the sleeping prophet was able to access what he called the hall of records or the akashic record, a place in which everything that ever happened on earth is recorded.

The Law of One, also known as the The Ra Material, is a series of five philosophical monographs published between 1982 and 1998 by Schiffer Books.

The books purportedly were authored by a non-human intelligence named Ra through the process of channeling, in which Don Elkins acted as the questioner, Jim McCarty as the scribe and Carla L. Rueckert as the channel for Ra. The 5 book series presents both commentary and full transcripts of the dialogue between the questioner and Ra, who is described as an entity composed of an entire civilization of extraterrestrial beings that are fused into one unified consciousness

I was shocked after further research that Cayce repeatedly referred to the law of one. In particular he referred to the children of the law of one who opposed the children of Belial. Cayce mentions the law of one more than 2000 times in his readings from the Akashic Record.

In the law of one Ra states that they originally tried to teach the law of one in Egypt but left after their teachings were distorted.

The books purportedly were authored by a non-human intelligence named Ra through the process of channeling, in which Don Elkins acted as the questioner, Jim McCarty as the scribe and Carla L. Rueckert as the channel for Ra. The 5 book series presents both commentary and full transcripts of the dialogue between the questioner and Ra, who is described as an entity composed of an entire civilization of extraterrestrial beings that are fused into one unified consciousness.

In the Cayce material he mentioned an author who would bring powerful information into our spiritual understanding call Jon Peniel.


Well it turns out the Jon Peniel wrote a book about the children of the law of one.


Here I read some of the readings Cayce gave regarding the law of one and I also read some of Jon Peniels work on the children of the law one.


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[greybeard]

The Sleeping Prophet of Atlantis
Very interesting -- as you would expect.
Covers the underground passage ways under the Sphinx --the hall of records and much more
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDGT7qqrlw

[1212is24]

This guy has covered the topic from many angles. His latest video on the topic was a few months ago: mrzziFr6vfw

After seeing the video above (which was very interesting, thank you, Grey beard), it reminded me of a video by the same guy (as video above here) posted two days ago, from his recent trip to Egypt: 0Oe1--ss51Q

The conclusion I have reached, which sounds extremely out there, and is certainly subject to change, is this.... Atlantis existed ~12,000 years ago in the Atlantic ocean... The survivors settled Egypt mostly... Plato's information about Atlantis in The Republic reportedly came from a priest who'd received knowledge that had been passed down over 9,000 years... The library of Alexandria was burned in 48 BC, allegedly... We can only imagine what information was lost there. And it was burned by Caesar... How big and secretive is the Vatican library, by the way?... Historians seem to blame Caesar for everything... Funny how most Roman emperors also had blonde hair and blue eyes back in the day... And also, Egyptian mummies often have red hair... The Atlanteans were said to have these kinds of features. Many of the Greeks had these features too.

In Plato’s dialogues, Timaeus and Critias, Atlantis was described as an island larger than Asia Minor and Libya combined, situated just beyond the Pillars of Hercules (the Strait of Gibraltar). Plato’s information was said to have come from Egyptian priests, who had told Athenian lawgiver Solon. About 9,000 years before the birth of Solon, the priests said Atlantis was a rich island whose powerful princes conquered many of the lands of the Mediterranean until they were finally defeated by the Athenians and the latter’s allies. The Atlantians eventually became wicked and impious, and their island was swallowed up by the sea as a result of earthquakes.

Solon was an Athenian statesman, lawmaker and poet. He is remembered particularly for his efforts to legislate against political, economic and moral decline in archaic Athens. Solon died in the year 560 BC, aged approximately 70 (over 2,500 years ago -- coincidentally the same number of years that we are told the pyramids were built?). Atlantis was supposedly a rich island 9,000 years before then. So, how does this make sense in the context of human history? Mainstream scientists insist that there was no form of advanced civilisation 12,000 years ago. Hasn't this theory been disproven with Graham Hancock's work? Well, we have to draw certain conclusions ourselves.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

A fascinating interview with a QHHT hypnotherapist covering Atlantis and the soul memories of her clients. The past life accounts she's obtained are remarkably consistent, and reinforce testimony that has come before, right back to the time of Cayce.

QHHT HYPNOTIST'S Reveals EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS of Atlantis/WARNING to Mankind! | Sarah Breskman Cosme

Sarah Breskman Cosme stands as a leading figure in the realm of metaphysical exploration and enlightenment. As a best-selling author of captivating titles like "A Hypnotist’s Journey to Atlantis," "A Hypnotist’s Journey to the Secrets of the Sphinx," and "A Hypnotist’s Journey from the Trail to the Star People," she seamlessly weaves together ancient wisdom and modern insights to unveil the mysteries of our existence.

A Master Hypnotist and a Level 3 practitioner of Dolores Cannon’s Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique (QHHT), Sarah's dedication to delving into the depths of consciousness knows no bounds. Under the tutelage of luminaries like Dr. Brian Weiss, she continuously expands her understanding of the human psyche and its connection to the universe.
Next Level Soul Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@NextLevelSoul)
1hr 2mins
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[ulli]

A fascinating interview with a QHHT hypnotherapist covering Atlantis and the soul memories of her clients. The past life accounts she's obtained are remarkably consistent, and reinforce testimony that has come before, right back to the time of Cayce.

QHHT HYPNOTIST'S Reveals EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS of Atlantis/WARNING to Mankind! | Sarah Breskman Cosme

Sarah Breskman Cosme stands as a leading figure in the realm of metaphysical exploration and enlightenment. As a best-selling author of captivating titles like "A Hypnotist’s Journey to Atlantis," "A Hypnotist’s Journey to the Secrets of the Sphinx," and "A Hypnotist’s Journey from the Trail to the Star People," she seamlessly weaves together ancient wisdom and modern insights to unveil the mysteries of our existence.

A Master Hypnotist and a Level 3 practitioner of Dolores Cannon’s Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique (QHHT), Sarah's dedication to delving into the depths of consciousness knows no bounds. Under the tutelage of luminaries like Dr. Brian Weiss, she continuously expands her understanding of the human psyche and its connection to the universe.
Next Level Soul Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@NextLevelSoul)
1hr 2mins
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Was listening to this this morning, then husband comes home for lunch, and asks me if I had ever heard of Dr. Brian Weiss.
He saw a patient during the morning who tried to convince him to read his book.
Quite a coincidence, no?