Credible or Incredible - Compelling viewing about what some think IS happening in USA politics

[scotslad]

very interesting speech and he appears to talk with authority quoting some interesting sources and hypothensis....

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What's your thoughts? Is Trump really stupid or are they really out to get him?

Is there a turning point fast approaching for the Good guys to beat the bad guys - whoever they are? Or is it all just more noise - to distract us all?

(Apologies if this specific video has been discussed elsewhere)

[ripple]

Always an interesting guy to listen to , Scotslad . However, it is interesting to see him as a Conspiracy Guru ( meant nicely ) in the context of another Topic which has also just opened --- Michael Hoffman's book on how we are conditioned by Psycho Dramas and which touches on the notion of both allowing and using such Gurus to immobilise an audience . To produce shock and awe through revelation and immobility by having a counter narrative which pulls precisely in equal but opposite direction .
I don't ' buy ' that clever line of thought ( it's a circular argument , imo ) but it paints the exact picture of what is happening with the 'Good Guys" right now -- immobility because they are unsure of the ultimate truth and there are no guidelines toward direct and inevitably violent action . Unlike what is happening on the left !!

[Carmody]

You can see how ignorance and projection can freeze out confidence and expertise, via looking at the plot for the dunning-Kruger effect.

That the incompetent and illiterate have near perfect confidence and the expert has less confidence. (the peak of mount stupid is near 100% confident, whereas the guru probably never exceeds 75-80% confidence) )(thus the line, fools go where angels fear to tread)

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This is part and parcel of the dominance of apple vs it's core credibility and humanity.

How? well, Steve jobs went to see a guru in the Buddhist end of the pool (zen, etc) and this dood...he said that Steve got the first stage or edge/degree of enlightenment, and then took off down the mountain (metaphorically) and really got into the apple thing, big time. So, in effect, Steve never really got enlightenment, he got the box of baubles/boomstick ego impelled version .....and started and ran apple with that ---as the originating impetus.

[onawah]

A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

You can see how ignorance and projection can freeze out confidence and expertise, via looking at the plot for the dunning-Kruger effect.

That the incompetent and illiterate have near perfect confidence and the expert has less confidence. (the peak of mount stupid is near 100% confident, whereas the guru probably never exceeds 75-80% confidence) )(thus the line, fools go where angels fear to tread)

[Sandy123]

"The media is full of liberals so nothing is going to happen" I don't believe it's the "liberals" in media, but that the media are involved in criminal behavior, human trafficking, cults, drugs, extortion. It's unfortunate Dan has to label this fight as Democrats verses Republicans - both groups are involved. There's a whole lot of people worldwide who don't want this information coming out. This power structure has been in place for a long time. The media is one of the elites biggest and best tool.
The battle is more, good verses evil. The more information that comes out, the more people are fired and exposed, the easier it will be for good aware people to come out and move forward. Knowledge is half the battle.

[ripple]

"The media is full of liberals so nothing is going to happen" I don't believe it's the "liberals" in media, but that the media are involved in criminal behavior, human trafficking, cults, drugs, extortion. It's unfortunate Dan has to label this fight as Democrats verses Republicans - both groups are involved. There's a whole lot of people worldwide who don't want this information coming out. This power structure has been in place for a long time. The media is one of the elites biggest and best tool.
The battle is more, good verses evil. The more information that comes out, the more people are fired and exposed, the easier it will be for good aware people to come out and move forward. Knowledge is half the battle.

Welcome and good luck as a newcomer . Recent here myself and I have loved every minute .
I broadly share your view but you might also be interested in Michael Hoffman's views ( see new Topic on how Psycho Dramas can be manipulated ) which , if accepted , make matters that much more complex and even soul destroying .

[waves]

It's an awesome detailed summary of the Trump election behind the scene mechanics but the OP version is a copy with added music and Q clickbait BS in that it has nothing to do with Q.

I saw it a while ago and think it's way older than this, but here's a Nov. 2018 copy without the annoying music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aevtHHULag

[Bubu]

A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

You can see how ignorance and projection can freeze out confidence and expertise, via looking at the plot for the dunning-Kruger effect.

That the incompetent and illiterate have near perfect confidence and the expert has less confidence. (the peak of mount stupid is near 100% confident, whereas the guru probably never exceeds 75-80% confidence) )(thus the line, fools go where angels fear to tread)



what knowledge are we talking about? I can agree with Ghandi "truth is self explanatory". Competent, literate, Scientist, geniuses just like everyone else are stupid if they are not living a good life. After all what are everyone effort for? where is your wisdom if you cant attain or don't even know what is it that you are after.

[scotslad]

I just thought that the actual presentation in the video, delivered by Dan Bongino, a former Secret Service agent, NYPD Police Officer, and a former Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate and the House was rich in content and staggering when you actually listened to what he shared.

He quoted many named individuals, their relationships, their misgivings and deeds and he quotes reference sources - all appearing to be presented from the heart and with an enthusiasm that I thought that would be very hard to fake.

He was also encouraging the audience to go and verify what he was saying which was also refreshing especially when he was explaining the "paper trail" and where he got his info from :)

I see he has a book "Spygate" on Amazon about the topic too.

I also agree with @waves, this is a much better recording and puts the above better in context - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aevtHHULag

Staggering stuff in my opinion, to those like me - outside the USA and NOT in the know :)

[MinImLi]

My thoughts ... Donald Trump has genius level intelligence, but he's not Q as Q is not just a single person.

President Trump graduated in the top of his class at West Point.!. That's not possible if you're a slacker, mediocre or simply 'smart'. Y'all should care less what his mannerisms are, how he combs his hair or how much smoke his smokin' hot bride emits on any given day ... this man is President for 1 reason ONLY ... he's got the balls to stand up to the deep state evil in government ... AND WIN.!.!.

Something to keep in mind ... the Donald Trump presidency has been in the works for a very long time and the operation for the subversion, disabling and destruction of the deep state has been planned for much longer even than that. The deep state had almost accomplished everything that every tyrant in human history had dreamed about until the American white-hats and Donald Trump broke on the scene.!.!.!.

[ripple]

My thoughts ... Donald Trump has genius level intelligence, but he's not Q as Q is not just a single person.


Assessed at around 155 with only John Adams significantly higher -- past Presidents . Clinton also scored very highly, and predictably Hoover and Baby Bush brought up the rear --- Baby Bush possibly in more ways than one and let's just say that Hoover also had deep psycho sexual problems .
The Left try to rubbish such interpreted results and it should be obvious that the scores are only best estimates from top specialists in the area of measuring IQ -- my first degree course topic speciality , measuring IQ in terms of environment versus genetics among identical twins separated at birth . However , within this population sub set ( USA Presidents ), the ranking itself should be statistically sound even if the absolute scores are open to discussion .
Any debate about Q is not easy because there are so few , if any , general accepted facts to work with . My view is that it was an engineered joke or prank from the beginning and now is in danger of doing far more harm to the right than ever imagined . Increasingly Q only tells us what is readily available from other sources if you cast your net and his ( singular or plural) predictions are only around average chance level . Yes , I am not a fan .

[scotslad]

Forgive me, The thread wasnt about 'Q', it was more about Dan Bongino's content that he shares in a speech in Florida featured in the videos above.

I'm not fully up to speed on the whole 'Q' thing, but currently my understanding on that is that someone representing a group started sharing posts online about "whitehats" turning against deep state last couple of years and revealing a plan to take legal action against them all. Whether it's real or clever spin - I'm not sure, and I suspect that many of you will be better informed than me and have an opinion - and would love your take on it all.

I'm just curious, that having written and published a book, quoting his sources and footnotes and speaking with a passion and enthusiasm. I was curious on what you think about Dan Bongino's content in the video.

As for Trump - love him, hate him or want to give him a hair cut - If I recall, he had never previously held elected office, a top government job or a high military rank yet he achieved what many only dream of on 1st attempt.

It appears that some quarters will go to extreme lengths - even against the existing legal/justice & political systems and take action without evidence or indeed go to extreme lengths to fabricate evidence to further their agenda against him.

As to who the winner will be? - here's hoping its actually the american people. :)

[Mypos]

My thoughts ... Donald Trump has genius level intelligence, but he's not Q as Q is not just a single person.

President Trump graduated in the top of his class at West Point.!. That's not possible if you're a slacker, mediocre or simply 'smart'. Y'all should care less what his mannerisms are, how he combs his hair or how much smoke his smokin' hot bride emits on any given day ... this man is President for 1 reason ONLY ... he's got the balls to stand up to the deep state evil in government ... AND WIN.!.!.

Something to keep in mind ... the Donald Trump presidency has been in the works for a very long time and the operation for the subversion, disabling and destruction of the deep state has been planned for much longer even than that. The deep state had almost accomplished everything that every tyrant in human history had dreamed about until the American white-hats and Donald Trump broke on the scene.!.!.!.


How one can have faith in Donald Trump eludes me. I allways look at actions of people and all Trump has done has been playing out the Agenda of Big Business and Deep State. So why do you think he is even planning on fighting Deep State?

[Forest Denizen]

My thoughts ... Donald Trump has genius level intelligence, but he's not Q as Q is not just a single person.

President Trump graduated in the top of his class at West Point.!...

Trump never attended West Point. He did go to a private prep school, the now defunct New York Military Academy.

[onawah]

DANIEL ESTULIN – BACK TRUMP OR WORLD LOSES
January 23, 2019
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/daniel-estulin-back-trump-or-world-loses/

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"Daniel Estulin joins Greg Hunter for a blockbuster interview about the realpolitik that informs the strange behavior of politicians on the world stage.

He reminds viewers that he spent 24 years in Russian military counterintelligence and that he’s also a Doctor of Conceptual Intelligence, trained to “create models that define the future of humanity…at least one or two generations in advance…” In short, he is not a conspiracy theorist.

He explains that, like most of the world, the United States is controlled by the Liberal banking financiers, which is the domain of Wall Street, Washington’s bureaucracy, the intelligence agencies, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, the Rockefeller crowd, the Soroses, the Mainstream Media, the London School of Economics, the Wharton School of Business, the big Think Tanks, the big foundations, the rating agencies; in short, the people who’ve controlled the world for the past three generations, since 1944.

All of the above are part of this Liberal banking order – not just in the US but globally. Trump’s job, as the representative of an alternative, isolationist, industrial group is to dismantle this power structure. This is not a battle between the Republicans or the Democrats…it’s against the current global financial model.

“In 2008, the global elite circles…reached an agreement to hand over the power of the emission of the US dollar to the global elite, via the Bank for International Settlements, which is the central bank of central banks…The only thing they needed was for Obama to sign off on this deal. Nobody knows about this but Obama decided he’s not gonna do that; he’s not gonna let the global elite circles control the emission of the US dollar.”

My own source tells me this was the moment the Bush-Clinton crime family attempted to usurp the power of the central bankers for themselves, a crime for which they will not be forgiven by Basel.

Estulin continues, “What we’re seeing right now is the fight…for the control of emission of US dollar,” and Trump is the enemy [of the Liberal banking order]. “That’s why you have all the screaming and yelling in the media.”

Russia is in a similar position. “Russia’s economic financial policy is written in the offices of International Monetary Fund…” Russia’s equivalent to the US Federal Reserve’s Jerome Powell is Elvira Nabiullina, the Director of the Russian Central Bank. Estulin says Nabiullina has no responsibility to Russia. “She works directly for Christine Lagarde, the General Director of International Monetary Fund…You are not allowed to make investments in rubles in Russia. You can only do it in dollars, just to give you an idea who controls Russia’s economy!

“If Putin decided to fire [Elvira] Nabiullina…and replaced her with somebody who is a patriot, immediately, the International Monetary Fund and the ratings agencies would emit a report that would say, ‘According to our best practices and knowledge, the person who is running Russia’s Central Bank is absolutely incompetent,’ and they’d lower Russia’s credit to junk and because private corporations cannot have a higher credit rating than the government itself, every Russian company’s credit rating will be lowered to junk, which means Russian economy would collapse in a matter of hours, which is why until the Liberal banking financier global order is not dismantled, Putin has his hands tied – and the same with Trump – and that’s what we’re seeing right now, globally…

“You have a civil war in the United States. There is the Liberal banking financiers’ United States; the parasites, who play with numbers, don’t produce anything at all and then you have the the alternative group, the people who put in Donald Trump…the isolationists and industrialists.

Estulin says there are two different ways out of this crisis:

“1. Global Thermonuclear War…wars write off debts and responsibilities. You have a four…quadrillion-dollar global debt…It’s a four and fifteen zeros. There’s absolutely no way you can pay that off, ever. But Wars can write that off.” In this scenario, half of the world’s population or more would be killed. China, with over a billion people would survive. Russia, the country with the biggest territory would survive but “The United States will not survive. Europe will not survive. Latin America, nobody knows where that is and Africa is what it is. So, that’s one of the ways out of the crisis. Another way out of the crisis is the change from the Atlanticism to the:

“2. Pacific area of influence…the Rockefellers lost in 2012 against the Rothschilds. The Rockefellers are the bankers, the percentages and the Rothschilds are the changers…Changers, what does that mean? it means separating the world into regional territories…the dismantling of countries…and creating regional economic blocs…

The Bretton-Woods global economic model is collapsing. In London, Brexit was developed to avoid being caught up in that. Estulin says, “Their plan was to create a separate economic region with the Golden Dinar for them and for the Arab world” and Israel as a nation-state was to be sacrificed. “Kissinger said it, way back in 2012 and it was published in New York Post, that Israel, in ten years was going to disappear. Jacob Rothschild, somebody who’s very well-informed said the same thing.

“In that plan, you need to get rid of all of the leaders in the northern region of Africa. We’ve been there for 30 years; Bouteflika in Algiers, Gaddafi in Libya, Mubarak in Egypt, etc. and thus, you have the Arab Spring. The second part, you gotta get rid of Turkey, because Turkey has dibs, through the Ottoman Empire, on some of the same Arab countries that England, the British Empire wanted to incorporate into the new regions – they did that, okay because Turkey is not allowed into the European Union and a third step, again as I said, get rid of Israel by joining forces.

“Now the whole thing was already prepared. The only thing that was missing was for Hillary Clinton to become President of United States and she was all for it – but she lost. Trump wasn’t gonna go for it and thus, the Empire created Plan B – and Plan B and I explained in my book, is Macron and France…

“We’re seeing the end of the Bretton Woods, we’re seeing the end of the petrodollar model, because Trump was elected President and his mandate, from the people behind him was to dismantle the petrodollar; dismantle that and get rid of the World Trade Organization – and what we see Trump doing is going up against the International Monetary Fund, he’s going against World Bank, the G7. They are the enemies of Trump and of the people behind him because they represent Liberal banking financial model…

“It has nothing to do with ideologies. It has nothing to do with Donald Trump being an unpalatable president, who’s bringing disrepute to the United States – as if the Mainstream Media ever cared about the United States as an entity. It’s about control of the emission center because the model is now dead. They need an alternative model and so they’re looking at, just to summarize, either:

“Global thermonuclear war [or the separation of the world into economic regions] – and that’s why you see all that stuff in the Middle East again, what’s Trump doing in Afghanistan? What’s he doing in Syria? He’s done something that Putin hasn’t been able to do. He’s extricating himself out of that mess, because he understands that anytime, this thing can explode…

“Wars write off debts and responsibilities, which is why we’re seeing all this maneuvering. We don’t know who is going to win. We don’t know the end of the story. What we do know is why all this stuff is going on…

“The easiest thing for Trump to have done when he became President was to push the interest rates to four, five, six percent. That would have collapsed the entire global order, which are the enemies of Donald Trump but then, it’s like we have a table and you cut two legs off the table collapses but to make sure the table doesn’t collapse, you need to prop it up somehow, which means Trump would have needed to come up with an alternative model…

“You asked me about gold. We’re looking at a changing of the guard from the Atlantic to the Pacific, from petrodollar to ounces, physical ounces of gold, which is what the Chinese have a lot of.

So, the new economic model, again, the separation of regions, Make America Great Again is…the United States shutting the door, saying to the rest of the world, ‘Go to Hell.'”

Greg Hunter: “Gold’s gonna be an important component of whatever world we have; gold, silver, precious metals.”

Daniel Estulin: “It’ll be a very important component, now what needs to happen is the Chinese and the Russians can work together but not right now because today’s Russia is [dominated by the] Liberal banking financier crowd…The only way that the Russians the Chinese can actually work together if you get rid of Liberal [financiers]…”

Greg Hunter: “What does a little guy do? What does the guy listening to this interview, saying, ‘What should I do? Do you plan on a collapse? Do you plan on a war? Do you plan on a hyperinflation? Do you plan on a new dollar?…What does the guy watching this do?

Daniel Estulin: “One thing you need to understand is you’ve got a back Trump…our only way out of this is to make sure that Donald Trump actually stays President of the United States, because the entire welfare of Russia and everywhere else depends on the non-Liberal crowd winning.

“Second point, make sure you have physical gold and silver. Make sure you don’t have paper gold, because when the markets go ‘poof’, that thing is going to disappear. Make sure you understand that all the noise you hear in the mainstream media, it’s what it is, it’s noise and it doesn’t matter…this latest stuff, with some kids in Catholic school or talk about some silly football game or talking about what Trump did or said, whether he picked his nose at a birthday party – it’s all nonsense – you’ve got a look at a bigger picture…

The model which has been working since 1944, Bretton Woods; based on infinite growth is dead. Either we come up with a new model or we go to Hell.

Greg Hunter: Daniel Estulin, the author best-selling multiple international best-selling author of his latest book, In the Shadows of a President. Daniel, thanks for coming on from Toronto, thank you so much."

Also posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1271580&viewfull=1#post1271580

[jjl]

Where do you get your information? He wasn't at Westpoint. He was here:
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-attended-new-york-military-academy-2016-12#the-new-york-military-academy-opened-doors-in-1889-with-the-hopes-of-preparing-cadets-for-further-education-and-to-be-effective-leaders-and-responsible-citizens-1
What else might you have gotten wrong?
I lived in NYC in the 80s, met the guy 3 times at 3 of his parties. He was a known deadbeat who never paid his bills. I know this for a fact, I was there.

[Praxis]

My thoughts ... Donald Trump has genius level intelligence, but he's not Q as Q is not just a single person.

President Trump graduated in the top of his class at West Point.!. That's not possible if you're a slacker, mediocre or simply 'smart'. Y'all should care less what his mannerisms are, how he combs his hair or how much smoke his smokin' hot bride emits on any given day ... this man is President for 1 reason ONLY ... he's got the balls to stand up to the deep state evil in government ... AND WIN.!.!.

Something to keep in mind ... the Donald Trump presidency has been in the works for a very long time and the operation for the subversion, disabling and destruction of the deep state has been planned for much longer even than that. The deep state had almost accomplished everything that every tyrant in human history had dreamed about until the American white-hats and Donald Trump broke on the scene.!.!.!.

I can not believe that you exist.

You actually believe he attended West Point, which if I understand correctly would make him an officer in the United States Military, at least at one point in his life.

https://www.westpointaog.org/findagrad?dcid1490=d7dea57f-5904-4a74-b787-93fbaafad940&dpi1490=0


Wow we are in for a rough ride.