Is it possible that one day we are going to wake up in the morning and there will be 10,000 UFOs in the skies?

[mindbend8r]

all around the world. Maybe one day just like any other day we wake up turn on the news and there are UFOs sitting in the sky all around the world. Being broadcast on TV all around the world.

Its impossible or is it?

[ripple]

Open ended questions by definition lack ' certain ' answers . Trying to provide such answers is therefore an unrewarding exercise . However , you can still attempt to guess possibilities of an event occurring based on whatever you judge to be meaningful evidence . Or blind faith .

Bookmakers have a history of getting things right and whilst my estimate of , ' Astronomical ' to one , is more generous than most , it seems about right . Along with the Tooth Fairy .

[Tam]

Funny you should mention that.

Had a dream that exactly that happened about 2 nights ago. They looked human, acted weird as hell. They came in peace, offering us technology that would solve all of our problems.

It didn't end well.

Here's how I look at this.

I believe, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that aliens/interdimensional/ETs/whatever exist. What they are, who they are, what they want, what they're doing, how they're doing it and why...all of that, is where my beliefs become suspicions.

I'm not holding my breath for Disclosure (every year is The Year), and I'm certainly not expecting whoever to descend en masse bearing gifts of magical technology that will send us straight into utopic bliss. Same goes for some kind of Independence Day invasion scenario. That's just stupid. I mean, come on. That's almost as dumb as that 5D Ascension nonsense.

I will say this much, though.

I feel something HUGE is coming. I've felt it for a long time now, but it's getting stronger, and stronger, with each passing year. I know this sounds like hogwash, but I can't shake this weird, gut feeling that there is some kind of monumental event on the horizon. I'm not the only one to feel it. A lot of supposedly channeled entities also echo the sentiment (I take all channeling with a grain of salt, but nevertheless, it's a common thread I've found in the majority of them).

What this event may be, I haven't the slightest clue. Sure, I've thrown around a few crackpot theories, but they're essentially baseless, and therefore go in that big giant box labeled "Maybe" that's in my head.

The important question, is this: whatever it is that could happen are we ready?

Whether it's benevolent aliens forcing a worldwide awakening and revolution, or some global catacylsm, or, hell, 5D energy makes us all crystal light unicorns, are we, as a collective whole, ready to face and experience it in a way that will be positive to out evolution?

I seriously don't know.

Sometimes, I feel like there's no way we'll be ready anytime this millennium, if at all. We'd probably sooner blow ourselves up or something tremendously stupid like that.

But on other days, I look at our history, and where we are now, and the compassion and strength we are capable of, and I genuinely believe that, yes, we could. Not without growing pains or tremendous conflict, of course.

That, to me, is the most important question.

We need to stop waiting for our sexy space friends or whatever to come rescue us, or for the white hats to take down the Cabal (I mean, come on guys. Get a grip), or the Queen to accidentally reveal her lizard-face to the world on live TV.

Bottom line is, we've got a hell of a mess to clean up, and it's high time we made efforts, as individuals, to clean it up.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Interesting Indigris! I had a similar dream as you did, only not 2 days ago but 50 years ago! I was at my parents home, where I lived too, as I was a kid then, and I was watching out of the window. In the sky there were - indeed - 1000's of UFO's. They were strangely in a kind of "band", a circle, "one ship wide", but all around the planet! All kinds of shapes, colors, sizes... Very strange. That I remember so vividly this dream after half a century makes it even more unusual.
Were they benevolent? It felt so, but I had and still have no clue really.

It was very real. Maybe in another parallel reality? Who knows. I have been "able" to move into parallel realities quite easily, but never at will. it just happens, and most of the time I enjoy it (though some were not of the "pleasant" kind too).

I support your views Indigris. it's pretty much how I feel too.

[yelik]

I had similar reoccuring dreams a few years ago, not sure I felt they were benevolent at the time, but people were panicking all around

[Sunny-side-up]

Maybe when we all have use of the hidden tech,
when we are all basically flying in what would have been called UFO's.
Anti gravity craft with exotic energy systems.
Maybe then we will see mass visitors,
but then, we would probably be visiting them by then ha.

[Justplain]

The funny thing is that every day there are often dozens of UFO sightings world wide, yet this seems to have no great affect on human understanding or awareness of the presence of aliens or transdimensionals or the ssp here. The 'Phoenix lights' caused a minor buzz, but nothing more. The recent 'tic tac' UFO admittance by the pentagon barely raised eyebrows. It seems that the public's 'panic' button is no longer being automatically pushed by these incidents. So, a mass sighting might be the only thing that could trigger panic.

I don't think that a mass UFO sighting would generally be a 'good' thing. It seems that it would likely be either a 'fake' alien invasion or the aliens becoming desperate about something.

I look forward to a civilized discourse with offworlders, but the ongoing clandestine abduction and brainwashing program carried out by various alien groups has me deeply cynical about a 'benevolent' alien presence. Perhaps we're better off if they stay away.

[ripple]

The funny thing is that every day there are often dozens of UFO sightings world wide, yet this seems to have no great affect on human understanding or awareness of the presence of aliens or transdimensionals or the ssp here. .


Could that possibly have something to do with the complete lack of evidence to link these events precisely with non terrestrials , regardless of the claimed number of dimensions they might use or inhabit ?

A dead body would help , as opposed to the hoax dummies used after Roswell .

It's strange we have never had a body , a message or a first meeting .

[DeDukshyn]

It's strange we have never had a body , a message or a first meeting .

... because no one would ever have anything to gain by suppressing those things even if they did occur, so yeah, weird. ;)

[janette]

I've also had dreams of ufos..they were very much like the smaller ships in close encounters,all brightly lit and very fast. They were flying down my road and over my kids school. Nobody panicked..we were just awestruck. Didn't see any aliens though.Who knows if it was some kind of premonition or I had the dream because I'm kind of obsessed..er I'll rephrase that ..I'm extremely interested in this topic 😊

[ripple]

It's strange we have never had a body , a message or a first meeting .

... because no one would ever have anything to gain by suppressing those things even if they did occur, so yeah, weird. ;)



You cannot logically have absence of proof as proof in itself that something is actually suppressed .

It might very well be that such a thing actually is occurring ( suppression ) , but that is quite a different matter .

And it might then very well be that in such a situation ( having proof of something)

that it is best practise to suppress , given the the full circumstances . But such a

conclusion --- which you can separately agree with or not --- is not a

logical consequence from the start point --- namely the invalid statement that , no proof proves suppression .

[DeDukshyn]

It's strange we have never had a body , a message or a first meeting .

... because no one would ever have anything to gain by suppressing those things even if they did occur, so yeah, weird. ;)

You cannot logically have absence of proof as proof in itself...


I didn't claim it was proof ... but look at the irony in your two bolded statements above ...

That was actually my point in response to your statement ... ;)

Just because you don't observe something, doesn't indicate it didn't happen.

[Justplain]

The funny thing is that every day there are often dozens of UFO sightings world wide, yet this seems to have no great affect on human understanding or awareness of the presence of aliens or transdimensionals or the ssp here. .


Could that possibly have something to do with the complete lack of evidence to link these events precisely with non terrestrials , regardless of the claimed number of dimensions they might use or inhabit ?

A dead body would help , as opposed to the hoax dummies used after Roswell .

It's strange we have never had a body , a message or a first meeting .

There is physical evidence that aliens are here:

Lloyd Pye, Starchild (alien) skull dna analysis:

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Dr Roger Leir, alien implant surgeon:

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And then there are the eye witnesses:

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Bill Uhouse, worked in Area 51 on antigravity flight simulator in the 1950’s and met aliens:

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Whatever your misgivings, there is other evidence of eyewitnesses with abductions.

You can cynically try to slough all this evidence off, but the open minded, and the experiencers, won't. The bizarre details of animal mutilations, and crop circles, are other examples of unexplainable occurrences on Earth.

Most, if not all, of the physical evidence of the alien presence has been suppressed. This is an orchestrated disinfo campaign. This suppression is similar to what happened to the evidence of giants in 19th century US, where there are hundreds of cases of giant skeletons found, as recorded in the newspapers of the time, and the bones were shipped of to the Smithsonian, only to be never seen again.

The military, and the space agencies, have a vested interest in hiding artifacts, and bodies. These groups are busy reverse engineering these artifacts. This activity is documented in Col. Corso's 'The Day After Roswell'.

This evidence, and others, is enough for most open minded people to believe in an offworlder presence here. I guess you believe what you want to believe, and you choose not to. C'est la vie.

[petra]

Just because you don't observe something, doesn't indicate it didn't happen.

Stupid tree.... falling in the stupid woods again. Of course it makes a sound, because sound is a vibration. But what if sound is something you hear - no one heard it - so it can't be a sound (insert eyeroll)

The thing that stands out most in my mind is when I told my brother the voices in his head were not real, and that made him cry. I apologized for that, the voices are real to him - but invisible to me.

My new rule is, if someone tells me they are observing something which I am not able to observe personally, I do not discount it. I don't treat it as fact either, it's simply suspicious. Like crop circles - very suspicious. I find it very hard to believe that every single crop circle is a scam to get attention.

[DeDukshyn]

Just because you don't observe something, doesn't indicate it didn't happen.

Stupid tree.... falling in the stupid woods again. Of course it makes a sound, because sound is a vibration. But what if sound is something you hear - no one heard it - so it can't be a sound (insert eyeroll)

The thing that stands out most in my mind is when I told my brother the voices in his head were not real, and that made him cry. I apologized for that, the voices are real to him - but invisible to me.

My new rule is, if someone tells me they are observing something which I am not able to observe personally, I do not discount it. I don't treat it as fact either, it's simply suspicious. Like crop circles - very suspicious. I find it very hard to believe that every single crop circle is a scam to get attention.

Some people forget that witness testimony is evidence. Its not "scientific" evidence, but certainly there is more than one type of evidence in the world in which to form basis of belief or even just understanding.

[petra]

Some people forget that witness testimony is evidence. Its not "scientific" evidence, but certainly there is more than one type of evidence in the world in which to form basis of belief or even just understanding.

I wouldn't call testimony "evidence" of anything, mainly because our memories are flawed, but also because people can lie. When patterns begin to emerge - that's when the evidence starts to happen, imo

As for 10,000's of UFO's in the sky, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they're already there and we just can't see them. Well not all of us anyway :)

[DeDukshyn]

Some people forget that witness testimony is evidence. Its not "scientific" evidence, but certainly there is more than one type of evidence in the world in which to form basis of belief or even just understanding.

I wouldn't call testimony "evidence" of anything, mainly because our memories are flawed, but also because people can lie. When patterns begin to emerge - that's when the evidence starts to happen, imo

As for 10,000's of UFO's in the sky, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they're already there and we just can't see them. Well not all of us anyway :)

It absolutely is evidence. Its not proof, mind you, and its reliability as evidence varies, as you pointed out, but it is evidence. Imagine all the court cases that would have to stop if we deemed witness testimony as non-evidence - the court systems would come to a grinding halt, and Bill Cosby would be a free man.

Evidence is something that lends credence to an idea. But is not proof on its own.
Proof is evidence that would be found by multiple supporting rationales that cannot reasonably be disputed. By that definition it is possible (but far less likely) for "proof" to be unreliable as well - and this is true.

[Eagle Eye]

Most probable is the project bluebeam event. Its getting more real than ever.

[wnlight]

I do not anticipate a "Childhood's End" scenario where ET land and offer us technological solutions to all our social and environmental self-inflicted problems. It seems to me that any ET out there is too intelligent to do such. What will they do? Leave humans be and see how it all works out. But watch us humans closely and prevent us from escaping the Earth with our warfaring and disrupting tendencies.

[ripple]

Most probable is the project bluebeam event. Its getting more real than ever.

Aha , a Serge Monast fan . Each to their own .

If you wanted to wreck his zany idea , simply get a rich and eccentric millionaire to fund putting a hologram of Jesus across the sky at a defined location at a specific time . Then the same for Buddha the following week etc etc .

Finally put up a hologram of the head of CIA , for example , laughing and waving .

End of .

[RedX]

Most probable is the project bluebeam event. Its getting more real than ever.

Does anyone know if there is a thread here that dives into Project Bluebeam? A quick search here didn't produce anything that caught my eye.

[Michi]

I get 14 hits when doing the following:

[Joe from the Carolinas]

all around the world. Maybe one day just like any other day we wake up turn on the news and there are UFOs sitting in the sky all around the world. Being broadcast on TV all around the world.

Its impossible or is it?

Personal opinion- I am thinking this is an extremely low probability event. Possible? Sure! Worldwide uncontrolled disclosure of physical UFOs? This would be a major foul-up in terms of the .gov classification and air defense monitoring programs.

[petra]

Some people forget that witness testimony is evidence. Its not "scientific" evidence, but certainly there is more than one type of evidence in the world in which to form basis of belief or even just understanding.

I wouldn't call testimony "evidence" of anything, mainly because our memories are flawed, but also because people can lie. When patterns begin to emerge - that's when the evidence starts to happen, imo

As for 10,000's of UFO's in the sky, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they're already there and we just can't see them. Well not all of us anyway :)

It absolutely is evidence. Its not proof, mind you, and its reliability as evidence varies, as you pointed out, but it is evidence. Imagine all the court cases that would have to stop if we deemed witness testimony as non-evidence - the court systems would come to a grinding halt, and Bill Cosby would be a free man.

Evidence is something that lends credence to an idea. But is not proof on its own.
Proof is evidence that would be found by multiple supporting rationales that cannot reasonably be disputed. By that definition it is possible (but far less likely) for "proof" to be unreliable as well - and this is true.

I don't mean to me taking us in circles here, but hey, it's a great example of how language can be misunderstood. I should have said proof and not evidence.

I think I follow - Any amount of evidence cannot be proof on it's own, but proof is always considered to be evidence.

Proof should be reliable though really, especially if we're going to be convicting people with it, or using it to judge if there's 10,000 aliens in the sky or not.

[Sunny-side-up]

Not sure who or where now? but someone in an interview once said something like this

'if you have the right kind of lens/filter (something like ultraviolet) you all of a sudden see that the sky is full of lights and craft, all the time'

[DeDukshyn]

Some people forget that witness testimony is evidence. Its not "scientific" evidence, but certainly there is more than one type of evidence in the world in which to form basis of belief or even just understanding.

I wouldn't call testimony "evidence" of anything, mainly because our memories are flawed, but also because people can lie. When patterns begin to emerge - that's when the evidence starts to happen, imo

As for 10,000's of UFO's in the sky, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they're already there and we just can't see them. Well not all of us anyway :)

It absolutely is evidence. Its not proof, mind you, and its reliability as evidence varies, as you pointed out, but it is evidence. Imagine all the court cases that would have to stop if we deemed witness testimony as non-evidence - the court systems would come to a grinding halt, and Bill Cosby would be a free man.

Evidence is something that lends credence to an idea. But is not proof on its own.
Proof is evidence that would be found by multiple supporting rationales that cannot reasonably be disputed. By that definition it is possible (but far less likely) for "proof" to be unreliable as well - and this is true.

I don't mean to me taking us in circles here, but hey, it's a great example of how language can be misunderstood. I should have said proof and not evidence.

I think I follow - Any amount of evidence cannot be proof on it's own, but proof is always considered to be evidence.

Proof should be reliable though really, especially if we're going to be convicting people with it, or using it to judge if there's 10,000 aliens in the sky or not.

Yes, there is a clear distinction between proof and evidence. Semantics are a bitch. :)

Consider that there is only one unit of measure that can persuade confidence - "Evidence" is that unit of measure. Evidence can be good, and it can be poor. It encompasses the entire range from barely supporting an idea by lending only a small amount of confidence to the idea, to fully supporting an idea 100% and providing strong rationale. A single piece of evidence, in some cases, would qualify as "proof".

Proof is a concept, whereas evidence is the actual thing that lends confidence to an idea. When you have enough quality evidence that leads one to having near 100% confidence in an idea, then it can be said that we have "proof", but note that the proof is a conceptual result of the conclusion that all the evidence can give near 100% confidence to the idea. So in a sense yes, proof (the concept) is born from evidence (the "thing").

Proof can be wrong, because evidence can be misleading or wrong or insufficient, without the evaluator realizing this -- you can't know what you don't know. The evidence that lends to the idea that the universe revolves around the earth, was once considered to be "proof", that this was true ... all you had to do was look at the sky and see the entire universe - sun, moon, stars, planets, galaxies, revolving around the earth. No one considered that it might be the earth revolving, because at the time there was no standalone evidence to indicate that this was so. The evaluators didn't know to consider that the earth is spinning; they didn't know what they didn't know, hence, they had "proof" the universe revolved around the earth as there was no evidence at the time to refute this "proof".

Of course we have learned a lot since then, in fact, we are always finding that what we once considered as proof for things often pan out to not be true, because we are constantly learning new things and getting greater understanding of things that clarify our view of the world -- this process never stops.

In 500 years from now, I bet people are going to look back and be amazed at all the "bull****" that we believe currently to be true, and even have "proof" of, but will be rendered incorrect on the gaining of new knowledge and new understanding.

Because of this, I am always amazed at human arrogance, and the way we lay down "facts" and "knowledge" like they were cast in stone by God himself, without ever leaving room for the expanse of things we don't know that we don't know. It is actually a major fallacy, and destroys the innocent imagination we were allowed to exercise as children.


All that said, there is no good evidence that I am aware of that suggests that we will see 10,000 UFOs in the sky one day ... but there also doesn't need to be evidence that something will occur in order for it to occur.

[DeDukshyn]

Not sure who or where now? but someone in an interview once said something like this

'if you have the right kind of lens/filter (something like ultraviolet) you all of a sudden see that the sky is full of lights and craft, all the time'

It would have to some sort of "top secret" new fan-dangled technology in those lenses. I have cameras, and filters for my lenses - some pretty cool ones like polarizing and UV filters. I've never photographed any UFOs ...

They say though, if you take a photograph of the sun, Nibiru will reveal itself disguised as a lens flare! :P

[Ratszinger]

all around the world. Maybe one day just like any other day we wake up turn on the news and there are UFOs sitting in the sky all around the world. Being broadcast on TV all around the world.

Its impossible or is it?

I think one day everyone will wake up and suddenly realize they are plugged into everyone else and a machine and connected real time to a real life monkey on their back only this one will be there 24/7 monitoring all of your daily life waking and sleeping. Big brother will be over everyone's shoulder! Being plugged in you'll be given a chore list daily and if you are too lazy to get out of bed the AI will motivate you with a jolt or a craving or some pain or one of any other control tools to make you do what it wants. You are not human now you are a BORG controlled by the machine, monitored by the machine and no doubt when it's done with you terminated by that same machine!
Go to the kitchen to eat and try to grab the salt the AI takes over and prevents you from grabbing the salt and a little voice goes off in your head saying "Sodium levels and blood pressure high, salt denied" and then if that isn't enough you go to the store to buy bacon and eggs and the AI prohibits those from being sold to you because you are also too high in cholesterol and fat! So you can't even buy what you want, or eat what you want, and it's just a matter of time before the AI starts selecting mates to breed you the way it wants over anything you want and I'm sure like all other neuronal functions if you won't cooperate it will force you to do that also.

I suspect the AI will keep some 'emotional beings' handy for the event that they meet another race of aliens they need to better understand but other than needing a few humans for emotional value and input they can provide that the machine cannot relate to I see no reason to believe the AI would leave a large number of us around because it'd be so far above us in short order we'd be seen as disposable and a general pest. Could it be UFOs that dropped micro bots in everyone to take over individual body functions while seeing life from your point of view awareness? I suppose it could be but my guess is it's a doctor EVIL right here that is very human.

[petra]

"you can't know what you don't know" is making me laugh! Ain't that the truth :)

I have a personal kind of issue which causes me to not want to judge anything, and when you start refusing to judge things, proof/evidence becomes kind of irrelevant. That's MY issue, and I'd like to apologize for confusing things.
Judging is difficult for me and I'd rather not have to judge anything ever again, if possible. And yes.. including Bill Cosby.. *cough*



All that said, there is no good evidence that I am aware of that suggests that we will see 10,000 UFOs in the sky one day ... but there also doesn't need to be evidence that something will occur in order for it to occur.

In my mind there's oodles of evidence to suggest this will NOT happen.
Maybe it will though, never know. I suppose they could change their minds.

[DeDukshyn]

"you can't know what you don't know" is making me laugh! Ain't that the truth :)

I have a personal kind of issue which causes me to not want to judge anything, and when you start refusing to judge things, proof/evidence becomes kind of irrelevant. That's MY issue, and I'd like to apologize for confusing things.
Judging is difficult for me and I'd rather not have to judge anything ever again, if possible. And yes.. including Bill Cosby.. *cough*
...

Consider the use of "distinctions" to know where it might be appropriate to apply judgement or not.

I don't like judging people much, I'd prefer to just be honest with them if something is bothering me or just not think negatively about them at all. One could make the distinction that you can apply "judgement" to people, and events/objects, differently.

Also a judgement doesn't have to be a bout good vs bad, right vs wrong, etc. We seem to think this is somehow required, but it is not at all. You could use the distinction between moral judgements, considerations, and "humourment" to apply where appropriate.

A "consideration" can be powerful, it requires no commitment so it allows full freedom of exploration, and you can dump it at any moment, or, you can turn it into a belief if you want. I find the less I believe, and the more I consider, the more quickly I can work through concepts and ideas to determine what their value is and where. Considerations also allow you to easily explore where dots might connect. Beliefs are rather rigid.

So in conclusion between this and my post on evidence vs proof ...

Believe nothing, Consider everything.

[petra]

Believe nothing, Consider everything.

Great conclusion! Reminds me of the "believe nothing you see, and only 1/2 of what you hear"

EDIT: I got the quote backwards but what ever, doesn't matter!

[Sunny-side-up]

Not sure who or where now? but someone in an interview once said something like this

'if you have the right kind of lens/filter (something like ultraviolet) you all of a sudden see that the sky is full of lights and craft, all the time'

It would have to some sort of "top secret" new fan-dangled technology in those lenses. I have cameras, and filters for my lenses - some pretty cool ones like polarizing and UV filters. I've never photographed any UFOs ...

They say though, if you take a photograph of the sun, Nibiru will reveal itself disguised as a lens flare! :P

Hi DeDukshyn, found the info I mentioned, posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105971-UFO-s-alt-science-ultra-violet-lens-and-high-speed-film&p=1273759#post1273759

[DeDukshyn]

Not sure who or where now? but someone in an interview once said something like this

'if you have the right kind of lens/filter (something like ultraviolet) you all of a sudden see that the sky is full of lights and craft, all the time'

It would have to some sort of "top secret" new fan-dangled technology in those lenses. I have cameras, and filters for my lenses - some pretty cool ones like polarizing and UV filters. I've never photographed any UFOs ...

They say though, if you take a photograph of the sun, Nibiru will reveal itself disguised as a lens flare! :P

Hi DeDukshyn, found the info I mentioned, posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105971-UFO-s-alt-science-ultra-violet-lens-and-high-speed-film&p=1273759#post1273759

Looks interesting ... long video tho ...

[Webz Libri]

all around the world. Maybe one day just like any other day we wake up turn on the news and there are UFOs sitting in the sky all around the world. Being broadcast on TV all around the world.

Its impossible or is it?


It's already happend... in the past.

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