Is CIVIL WAR in America coming?

[Soullight]

WARNING: This is a very intense and controversial video which, in simple terms, delves into the theory that Leftist Communist, promoted by the Democratic Party and others, must be stopped at all cost or America is doomed. The speaker feels that if Civil War occurred the conservative right wing would win definitively as they are well armed and much more prepared.

Personally, I feel that if Civil War did happen America would be extremely vulnerable to attack from other nations during this time.

Note: This entire subject is not dissimilar to what has been happening in European countries under the notion “cultural diversity”, which is summarized in the second video.

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[ghostrider]

There is a prediction, America will have two civil wars, the second shortly after the first and the country will be divided into five sectors and religious sectarians will play a dictatorial role... Just tossing it out there, who really knows... The level of division and hatred for those who have a different view is over the top like I've never seen...

[5th]

We should all know by now that most predictions don't come true and that it's very difficult to know what to believe in the MSN and alternative media.

However, in my opinion Daniel Estulin probably has the most convincing views. As a Russian insider and now part of a Russian Think Tank group who advises both Russia and the US, he is uniquely qualified to know what is really happening behind the scenes. Below he talks about the divisions in the US and the battle being fought behind the scenes.

This is an important interview and I strongly recommend watching at least the first 30 minutes but preferably all of it! If you want to know what is really going on in Russia, China, the EU, the US (and Brexit), take a look...


mbMnsNuXhJo

Thanks to onowah who first posted this video elsewhere and deserves bumping...

[Tintin]

We should all know by now that most predictions don't come true and that it's very difficult to know what to believe in the MSN and alternative media.

However, in my opinion Daniel Estulin probably has the most convincing views. As a Russian insider and now part of a Russian Think Tank group who advises both Russia and the US, he is uniquely qualified to know what is really happening behind the scenes. Below he talks about the divisions in the US and the battle being fought behind the scenes.

This is an important interview and I strongly recommend watching at least the first 30 minutes but preferably all of it! If you want to know what is really going on in Russia, China, the EU, the US (and Brexit), take a look...


mbMnsNuXhJo

Thanks to onowah who first posted this video elsewhere and deserves bumping...

Yes :) Thank you.

See here on the "Credible or Incredible..." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105791-Credible-or-Incredible-Compelling-viewing-about-what-some-think-IS-happening-in-USA-politics&p=1271590&viewfull=1#post1271590) thread

[DNA]

There is a prediction, America will have two civil wars, the second shortly after the first and the country will be divided into five sectors and religious sectarians will play a dictatorial role... Just tossing it out there, who really knows... The level of division and hatred for those who have a different view is over the top like I've never seen...


And of course Billy Meier is the source for this prediction. Source your information bro, you have been asked time and time again, it is not that hard.

Now, that being said, I agree with Billy Meier. I'm of the opinion that this sh!t is going to do down.

John Titor said the exact same thing in terms of the USA being divided up into five sectors after the civil war starts.



If one were so predisposed to look into Billy Meier's predictions for Europe one can see that it is evident that they are indeed looking more and more likely to come true as well. Not a pretty picture for all parties involved.

[PurpleLama]

"They" would very much prefer that we fight each other over every imaginable division, rather than turn our ire against "Them".

[DNA]

"They" would very much prefer that we fight each other over every imaginable division, rather than turn our ire against "Them".


"THEY" will start world war III first, empty the USA of all fighting age men, and then the elite through the propagandized left will begin laying to rest the constitution and rounding up folks into Fema camps, those who wish to oppose this will fight, and this will be the civil war. A small group of self funded, self armed people who are fighting the federal government and all of it's armament.

[Bob]

Is Canada going to sit still for this or react?

[Tintin]

Is Canada going to sit still for this or react?

Well, they could send Jordan Peterson in; he could talk extremely good sense to all parties involved, and, who knows, maybe there would be a peaceful resolution :)

But, I'm dreaming, clearly.

On a more serious note, and this topic does demand it.

Your question is quite pertinent actually - an interesting angle - and I do not know nearly enough about how Canada shapes up at all in a military sense, if that is how they would react in any case. I'd need to research this further of course but any pointers would be helpful here.

[Carmody]

Canadians will be grabbing their wallets and be willing to pay for a wall. Between Canada and the USA, that is. and willing to spend a day a month or so to either wield a shovel or patrol it when done. This is only half humour.

With the understanding that all the old military forts along the USA/Can border all still have old cannons..and all those cannons are still pointed at the USA.

This goes back to 1776 and even a few years earlier.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Militarily? Canada? Our biggest fleet of submarines is in the West Edmonton Mall! I think we have two modern frigates - our biggest boats. Army? More impressive but hardly a force to reckon with... Air Force, badly aging...

[Ernie Nemeth]

Canada specializes in support logistics...nobody better

[Wind]

Canada's secret weapon, Jordan Peterson. Besides for maple syrup, of course.

[rick]

There is a prediction, America will have two civil wars, the second shortly after the first and the country will be divided into five sectors and religious sectarians will play a dictatorial role... Just tossing it out there, who really knows... The level of division and hatred for those who have a different view is over the top like I've never seen...


And of course Billy Meier is the source for this prediction. Source your information bro, you have been asked time and time again, it is not that hard.

Now, that being said, I agree with Billy Meier. I'm of the opinion that this sh!t is going to do down.

John Titor said the exact same thing in terms of the USA being divided up into five sectors after the civil war starts.



If one were so predisposed to look into Billy Meier's predictions for Europe one can see that it is evident that they are indeed looking more and more likely to come true as well. Not a pretty picture for all parties involved.

Yeah, Billy's predictions should be taken with salt (as well as all others of course). I believe The timeline moves all over the place. And I believe that's why sometimes he's right and sometimes not. I don't think anyone, human or other, can accurately predict the future more than a day or two ahead, let alone years.

I don't think there will be a UNcivil war here in the USA. Lots of bull**** until we get it cleaned up, sure. IMO humanity has passed that point where they can be fooled and manipulated so easily as we were in the past to go kill each other with a marching song and bag lunch. Communication has been a blessing in that department.

That's my views anyway :)

[Mypos]

There is a prediction, America will have two civil wars, the second shortly after the first and the country will be divided into five sectors and religious sectarians will play a dictatorial role... Just tossing it out there, who really knows... The level of division and hatred for those who have a different view is over the top like I've never seen...

Just like The Handmaidens Tale?

Its all just the ancient games the elite still play with succes, divide and conquer. Leftish communist against rightwing conservatives. Everybody who falls in one of those categories does exactly what the elite wants them to do. Wake the **** up people!

[Justplain]

Quite frankly, I don't see America falling apart unless the military actively starts attacking the people. Then, there are so many reasonably well armed militias that it might make things interesting. I believe that if the military tried to turn against the people, the militias would resist and then the military would fracture, and that's where the civil war could become bloody. My personal instinct tells me that the military won't officially turn on the people.

However, if the deep state deems it necessary, then the events would be spurred that would make the whole thing fall apart via hi tech sabotage. The California fires seem to indicate that they are doing just that.

As far as Canada doing anything, although Canada has a proud history in supporting supposedly honorable war efforts, their current military capabilities are extremely limited and wouldn't be able to defend itself against any of the major players on the world stage. Maybe it's better that way as Canada is a country of compromise, and a 'strong-arming approach' here is only done as the very last resort.

[johnf]

Belief, the original deadly drug.

[Flash]

Is Canada going to sit still for this or react?


Canada has the population of California, on a territory almost twice the size of USA.
We will look at the freight train gone wild.


There is no way Canada can do anything when the US policy impose everything already, and always wins. And we are looking ....

Sorry, we are nice by pragmatism.

[Frenchy]

Good to raise the possibility Soullight...
First, one of the books ' fell into my hands ', might have been titled ' Road to Nightfall '[?] so long ago, forgotten... In this scenario, U.S. radiated by 50 Mile wide ' buffer zones ', thus isolating wihin bands, any survivours..If we do not have off-planet goodly help, then I think past 'Novels', might come to fruition :-((

Today picked this up {via R.M.N. }

http://concerneduspatriots.com/fema-director-calls-citizens-cattle/

Extract :-
" During a government shutdown that furloughed hundreds of thousands of workers, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) continued operating and quietly received a $400,000,000 budget increase to further its insidious agenda to enslave or eradicate a majority of the population. At an agency meeting last Tuesday, FEMA Director Brock Long told regional subordinates that citizens who question the agency’s mission are “nothing more than cattle” and must be treated as hostile combatants.


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He cited a recent disturbance in fire-stricken Paradise, CA; local subversives, he said, protested FEMA’s presence by forming a human blockade to prevent agents from unlawfully trespassing on private property or entering the charred remains of scorched homes and businesses. A group of approximately twenty-five persons held protest signs reading “FEMA, WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE” and “FEMA, GO HOME.”
Long told colleagues that agents must not hesitate to use discreet, lethal force if citizens defy FEMA’s authority, and reminded them that powers granted by the Patriot Act absolve agents of criminal maleficence when acting in the line of duty. He warned them, however, not to shoot anybody in the presence of media personalities. "


Flash, :-)) I read an article this week of horrendous Food prices in Canada. Eg., A fresh Chicken for CA $24... I've lost the bookmark, would you comment if this was accurate ? { I saw the supermarket layout... } If it is horrendously true, is this a push to un-civil war, firstly between the ' haves' & the ' have not's ? }
and then, after, maybe Maritial Law ?

[rick]

Quite frankly, I don't see America falling apart unless the military actively starts attacking the people. Then, there are so many reasonably well armed militias that it might make things interesting. I believe that if the military tried to turn against the people, the militias would resist and then the military would fracture, and that's where the civil war could become bloody. My personal instinct tells me that the military won't officially turn on the people.

However, if the deep state deems it necessary, then the events would be spurred that would make the whole thing fall apart via hi tech sabotage. The California fires seem to indicate that they are doing just that.

As far as Canada doing anything, although Canada has a proud history in supporting supposedly honorable war efforts, their current military capabilities are extremely limited and wouldn't be able to defend itself against any of the major players on the world stage. Maybe it's better that way as Canada is a country of compromise, and a 'strong-arming approach' here is only done as the very last resort.

Agreed ;) Some dumb crap may happen, but nothing like in the past IMO. I do hope we are right! .

[Flash]

Good to raise the possibility Soullight...
First, one of the books ' fell into my hands ', might have been titled ' Road to Nightfall '[?] so long ago, forgotten... In this scenario, U.S. radiated by 50 Mile wide ' buffer zones ', thus isolating wihin bands, any survivours..If we do not have off-planet goodly help, then I think past 'Novels', might come to fruition :-((

Today picked this up {via R.M.N. }

http://concerneduspatriots.com/fema-director-calls-citizens-cattle/

Extract :-
" During a government shutdown that furloughed hundreds of thousands of workers, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) continued operating and quietly received a $400,000,000 budget increase to further its insidious agenda to enslave or eradicate a majority of the population. At an agency meeting last Tuesday, FEMA Director Brock Long told regional subordinates that citizens who question the agency’s mission are “nothing more than cattle” and must be treated as hostile combatants.


39807

He cited a recent disturbance in fire-stricken Paradise, CA; local subversives, he said, protested FEMA’s presence by forming a human blockade to prevent agents from unlawfully trespassing on private property or entering the charred remains of scorched homes and businesses. A group of approximately twenty-five persons held protest signs reading “FEMA, WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE” and “FEMA, GO HOME.”
Long told colleagues that agents must not hesitate to use discreet, lethal force if citizens defy FEMA’s authority, and reminded them that powers granted by the Patriot Act absolve agents of criminal maleficence when acting in the line of duty. He warned them, however, not to shoot anybody in the presence of media personalities. "


Flash, :-)) I read an article this week of horrendous Food prices in Canada. Eg., A fresh Chicken for CA $24... I've lost the bookmark, would you comment if this was accurate ? { I saw the supermarket layout... } If it is horrendously true, is this a push to un-civil war, firstly between the ' haves' & the ' have not's ? }
and then, after, maybe Maritial Law ?

Here are my answers to your question


Food prices to rise 1.5% to 3.5% in 2019
Vegetable prices will see biggest increase, while cost of meat will decrease

By Rebecca Harris | December 04, 2018
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Canadians will be forking over more money for groceries next year. Food prices in Canada are forecast to rise 1.5% to 3.5% in 2019, according to the ninth annual edition of Canada’s Food Price Report by Dalhousie University and University of Guelph. The annual food cost for the average Canadian family is expected to increase by $411 in 2019 to $12,157 for the year.

Vegetables will see the highest increases (4% to 6%), followed by food purchased at restaurants (2% to 4%). Bakery and fruit prices are both predicted to increase between 1% and 3%, while the dairy and grocery categories are each expected to rise up to 2%. For the first time since its inception, the report forecasts decreases in the cost of meat (-3% to -1%) and seafood (-2% to 0%). In 2018, all of the expected changes in prices were accurately predicted with the exception of one food category: fruit.http://www.canadiangrocer.com/top-stories/headlines/food-prices-to-rise-1-5-to-3-5-in-2019-84463


Monthly average retail prices for food and other selected products1 2 3 from Statistic Canada

Chicken, 1 kilogram 2018: Canadian dollars: august 7.31 sept 7.25 october 7.64 november 7.58 december 7.52



1 kilogram = 2.2 pounds, broiler chicken is on average 5 pounds, therefore, a 5 pounds chicken would be 15$ Canadian (10,05$ US). However, we live in Canadian dollars with Canadian revenues, and the 15$ really worth from our buying power the 15$US in the United States. So yes, it is expensive, and quire feasible that some in the great North, where everything is shipped through airplanes, the price reach 24$. In which case, if you are an Inuit, you go hunting and fishing. A seal or a caribou will feed you for quite a long time.

Yes, the have not are going vegetarian, this is a total trend right now in Canada. A bit bad, because in extreme cold climate, we do need fat and proteins in a fast manner, we burn a lot of energy while in the cold.

[pyrangello]

I had a buddy who was from Sweden, he always told me that if you don't have these 3 things then you have a revolution. 1) Food to eat, 2) a bed to sleep in 3) a warm place to take a #2. If you don't have those , you have a revolution.

As far as a civil war, the EXTREME side of the Dems are afraid of their own tail wagging but as a group with an audience and a selfie rolling they are just plain fanatic and lunatic. The rest of the American Dems and Republican's and Independents are just that - Americans. What we are seeing on the news every night are only a few select individuals that live in this country ( US) that have no concept of reality and only a concept of their own world and we live in it according to them .

If we created an island for these select few and drop shipped them there from 500ft, everything would seem calm , good , and peaceful back on the mother ship . Stay the course,will be fine.

[Soullight]

Belief, the original deadly drug.

Yup ~~

http://trufax.org/general/beliefsystems.html

[Chester]

This guy thinks so...

Civil war, part deux (https://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2019/10/civil-war-part-deux-.html)

A little while ago, I posted my opinion that, despite increasing speculation about a new civil war in the United States, it was very unlikely that such a thing could happen. In fact, I could see no plausible path to that outcome.

That's changed a little. Now I do see a possible path...


This was a great read IMO

[Bill Ryan]

This guy thinks so...

Civil war, part deux (https://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2019/10/civil-war-part-deux-.html)

From the article:

...we come to our worst-case scenario. Suppose the House does vote to impeach, which is likely, because only a simple majority is needed. Then suppose that the Senate votes to convict Trump and remove him from office. Trump is already on record as saying that the whole process is illegal and unconstitutional and constitutes an attempted coup (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/01/donald-trump-claims-impeachment-inquiry-coup-against-him/3836622002/).

He would be unlikely to agree to leave office in response to an impeachment and conviction that he regards as fundamentally corrupt and unlawful. That's when all hell breaks loose.
Yes, and it would.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The globalists may profit from a civil war because it would destroy the comfortable life styles of most US citizens. When many have no food to eat, no credit and the delivery trucks stop rolling the citizens would self destruct in chaos. This leaves an opening for the globalists to execute their plan: False promises of prosperity and safety in exchange for loss of sovereignty and submission to a new world order. For this to be successful, citizens would need to feel much pain. I do not expect their plan to work but it could be rough going for a while. A little bit of preparation and self reliance may make the difference between success and failure.


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[conk]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/battleground-7-in-10-say-us-on-the-edge-of-civil-war

Story from the Washington Examiner. 75% of people believe a civil war is possible.

[Ernie Nemeth]

If you look around the world or study recent history or any history, it becomes rather obvious that civil war is often the last resort of a populace under undue stress. Whatever the reason, the final recourse is war (to maintain the status quo) or revolution (to shake up the status quo)...

[T Smith]

It seems reasonable to me the only reason why there hasn't been indictments and arrests is because the result would be civil war. It is rumored Hillary Clinton threatened to take down the entire government with her should a suddenly morally-conscientious Justice Department ever attempt to make an example of her. How do you take down half (or more) of Washington and the entrenched Deep-State intelligence agencies without civil war? In other words, the corruption is so metastasized within the American system it is almost impossible to remove (or even reform) without killing off the host.

The impeachment road, if followed to conclusion, also leads nowhere good and probably right down the path to a hot Civil War. We are technically already amid a cold civil war as two of the three branches of government are openly accusing the other of being illegal and illegitimate. What a recipe for disaster. In addition, half the country believes the other half is executing an illegal coup d'etat, while the other half assumes this role proudly and with moral justification by equating the current POTUS with the likes of Adolph Hitler. What's more, neither side appears to be backing down.

What happens if Trump wins the 2020 election but the Senate flips and has the necessary votes to oust the people's legitimately elected President? Unlike Nixon, or arguably any other POTUS who has faced impeachment before, Trump would not gracefully resign. He would resist on the grounds of blatantly bogus charges and declare himself the victim of an illegal and illegitimate coup. Congress would then attempt to take control of the military and forcefully remove him, perhaps not fully accounting for the pro-Trump factions in the military sworn to protect the President against enemies both foreign and domestic. Amid all this confusion will be the multiple mutiny's that would ensue given contradicting orders up the ranks. This is how civil wars start.

For all those following the QAnon narrative, I would also ask, what happens if the Trump Administration can somehow manage to avoid the scenario above (which is how I think it will actually go down), but does follow through after the IG report is released, per the QAnon narrative, and begins taking down, indicting, and arresting prominent political figures and Deep State actors, potentially including those as high up and prominent as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama? That would be extremely satisfying for those of us who perceive the crimes and corruption and who want justice, but I can almost guarantee it would freak out the other half (including various factions of the military) to the point of violence in the streets.

You think the bogus charge of allegedly "digging up dirt" on one's political enemies caused a stir among the programmed? How do you they will receive Trump, the fascist criminal, arresting and detaining who they "perceive" merely as Trump's political enemies? The Trump Administration might as well imprint a giant swastika on the White House and call itself the Forth Reich as far as this paradigm of understanding is concerned. The mainstream media will ramp up its propaganda agenda to the extent it is even possible to propagandize more than they presently do and will loudly exonerate the culpable, namely any and all of the Trump Administration's Justice Department targets.

The problem is polar-opposite conflicting paradigms of understanding of geopolitical reality in America. We really have two Americas at present in an existential struggle for control of the narrative.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

If the average person has some degree of routine stability, their cell phone , food and a roof over their head, I have a hard time thinking they will drag themselves away from their screens to engage in serious physical combat. Fighting in the street for who? For what? Would people really take a match to their lives to change the face in the White House? It seems a little hard to imagine.

To facilitate violence, the American people would need to experience a massive civil disruption resulting in a lack of power, food, electricity and and/or gasoline. If businesses shut down, the store shelves empty, roads are blocked etc., then people become frightened and desperate. This is anarchy and chaos, but is that really war? "War", to me, implies a level of organization, choosing sides, training and fighting - all of which takes leadership, strategy and channels of communication.

Who is commanding and leading the troops, so to speak, in this Civil War? Are the sides Left vs. Right? I am just trying to envision a true war, not just a a period of civil unrest. Thanks for any insight here, because I am not ruling anything out, just trying to envision how it would actually reach a state of actual war.

[T Smith]

If the average person has some degree of routine stability, their cell phone , food and a roof over their head, I have a hard time thinking they will drag themselves away from their screens to engage in serious physical combat. Fighting in the street for who? For what? Would people really take a match to their lives to change the face in the White House? It seems a little hard to imagine.

To facilitate violence, the American people would need to experience a massive civil disruption resulting in a lack of power, food, electricity and and/or gasoline. If businesses shut down, the store shelves empty, roads are blocked etc., then people become frightened and desperate. This is anarchy and chaos, but is that really war? "War", to me, implies a level of organization, choosing sides, training and fighting - all of which takes leadership, strategy and channels of communication.

Who is commanding and leading the troops, so to speak, in this Civil War? Are the sides Left vs. Right? I am just trying to envision a true war, not just a a period of civil unrest. Thanks for any insight here, because I am not ruling anything out, just trying to envision how it would actually reach a state of actual war.

Personally--and this is just speculation--I don't think the current push to impeach the sitting President will succeed; I also doubt the Justice department will ever indict, try, or convict any culpable Deep State actors. Any revelations the IG report may or may not reveal will likely exonerate (or neutralize) the impeachment inquiry, but there will be little or no accountability. We can think of the government as "too big to fail" and the whole drama will likely lead to a stalemate. The political landscape will continue on, perhaps more contentious, divided, and heated; people will become more jaded and apathetic, but the show goes on.

All said, if the impeachment does attempt to remove the President or if the Deep State ever is rooted out and exposed to the light before trial and jury, it isn't hard to foresee a slightly different situation. But yes, and long as there is economic stability, cell phones, and Netflix, life goes on. I wouldn't expect any mercenary combat among civilians to fight for the cause.

However, we should consider if it ever got to the point where the authority behind an order to deploy force against a sitting President or to detain a former President or highly prominent political figure is ever questioned or challenged, or met with forceful opposition, chaos could ensue within the ranks of the Federal Government. If this becomes widespread or publicized, some or all of the Government's operations could come to a screeching halt until order is restored (remember the Federal Government is the country's biggest employer). Paychecks would stop coming in the mail, the Stock market would crash, 401k's and life savings would dissipate overnight, and the Government's credit rating would suffer. All this would lead to economic instability, and if not resolved quickly, might lead to organized divisions in attempt to restore the order.

I don't expect any of this to be the most likely scenario. But when you're playing with fire, it's always best to keep your matches away from the explosives.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I should imagine it is prudent to remember that the average citizen is not all that sophisticated. So what emboldens them might be a surprise.

Also, the large influx of immigrants from depressed regions of the world is changing the demographics of our nations. They are far more in touch with the realities of life than the rest of us. They have seen horrors we only see on TV. They have fought and they have been violent. They remember war and are no stranger to impoverishment. Their young are far more likely to throw their cell phones away and take to the streets than we are. And their enemy is easy to spot...

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I am thinking about what can be done to mitigate the suffering from a financial glitch and the resulting chaos.
We need skill sets that we do not have.
Maybe find a poor Mexican to teach us. They have skill sets that we are missing.


Wish there were more Eagle Scouts among us.

[onawah]

Note from Bill: copied here from this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1320651&viewfull=1#post1320651), as Kevin Shipp's comments about a civil war, starting from 18:10 in the video below, may be pertinent.

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Latest from Kevin Shipp w/ Greg Hunter
10/19/19

Greg Hunter

"Former CIA Officer and whistleblower Kevin Shipp is not worried about government kicking down your door. He worries about out of control civilians going on a rampage. Shipp says, “You need to understand there is a crisis coming. There is war in Washington. There is war in the streets between the two cultural factions, and people need to protect themselves. I am not that concerned about government black booted thugs breaking into our houses. What I am concerned about is roving gangs of thugs hitting a fevered pitch breaking into homes, killing people and taking their things. That’s where we are heading. People have got to understand they have to protect themselves. The best way to do that is plan ahead. No one knows when this is going to happen . . . point is people need to be preparing now for this because it is coming.”

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with former CIA Officer and counter-terrorism expert Kevin Shipp."
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Alexandra Bruce's take:
"Former CIA officer, Kevin Shipp joins Greg Hunter to give his opinion of what’s going on with this impeachment situation.
Shipp believes that former National Security Advisor, John Bolton, who “resigned” last month had a massive blowout with President Trump, which led to his dismissal.
Eager to save his reputation in the eyes of the Swamp, Bolton leaked information to two CIA analysts working at the White House to propagate his narrative, which Rep. Adam Schiff, who was a lawyer is now using to try to impeach trump.
Leaking a private conversation with the President is a serious crime and Bolton apparently “tried to pull a fast one” by leaking it to Biden-friendly operatives who were then put under the revised Whistleblower Protection Act, so that Bolton could evade the law. The Whistleblower Act, which was altered a few months ago now no longer requires firsthand evidence and allows whistleblowers to present hearsay evidence to obtain protection from investigation.
The corporate media are partners in this operation.
Shipp believes that the prosecutions of the many crimes against the Trump Administration are being slow-walked in order to maintain stability in the stock markets and in society.
This is one of the best episodes of Greg Hunter’s podcast that I’ve seen in a while – don’t miss it!"

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/kevin-shipp-you-need-to-understand-there-is-a-crisis-coming (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/kevin-shipp-you-need-to-understand-there-is-a-crisis-coming/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Kevin+Shipp+%E2%80%93+You+Need+to+Understand+there+is+a+Crisis+Coming)

[ExomatrixTV]

Pastor Warns Democrats Will Be "Hunted" As Voters Fear We Are Close To Second Civil War:
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[ExomatrixTV]

ARE WE HEADING TOWARD CIVIL WAR?: Bill O'Reilly says no, unless Trump is impeached.
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(edited by Bill for clarity on what the video is about :thumbsup: )

[T Smith]

The current political climate is testing the psyche of the average American observer. My wife had lunch the other day with a family friend who is a rabid Trump hater; my wife told me our friend talked about nothing else except how horrible Trump is and how Trump was destroying her life. Our friend is literally ideologically possessed, affixed, and obsessed on the news cycle to the point where she is becoming physically ill because of it. Literally.

My question to folks who are suffering like this is simply, why do you take it so personally? Take a break. Go for a walk in nature. Unplug. But they can't. The program has them. The program targets them, because it needs foot soldiers in the battle of public option. She--and millions like her--are victims. I can think of no other way to describe this other than mind control on a mass scale; it's truly frightening how susecptible people are who are not aware of the psyop.

The problem here, specifically, is a majority of people still do not comprehend that the so-called "news"--all of it--is nothing but agenda-driven propaganda programing. Once you understand that--as in 100% understand it and accept it as nothing other--it will no longer trigger you, no matter what your political leanings. But if one subscribes to the program (as is the objective) as some kind of rendering of reality, it will literally drive the mind to a rabid pitch in alignment with the agenda, or to insanity, whatever comes first.

[RunningDeer]

My sister and I met at a restaurant. She wanted to know where I stood with: ”That misogynistic, pedophile Trump?”

She went ballistic when I suggested that we talk about something else. It was peak lunch hour. The waitperson came over to ask if everything was okay. I paid her and left my sister with my hardly touched lunch. That was over a year ago. I can’t imagine how much more she’s stored up.

This hatred and rage causes sickness inside and out. But it's kaching-kaching! for the medical mafia.

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[Delight]

The current political climate is testing the psyche of the average American observer. My wife had lunch the other day with a family friend who is a rabid Trump hater; my wife told me our friend talked about nothing else except how horrible Trump is and how Trump was destroying her life. Our friend is literally ideologically possessed, affixed, and obsessed on the news cycle to the point where she is becoming physically ill because of it. Literally.

My question to folks who are suffering like this is simply, why do you take it so personally? Take a break. Go for a walk in nature. Unplug. But they can't. The program has them. The program targets them, because it needs foot soldiers in the battle of public option. She--and millions like her--are victims. I can think of no other way to describe this other than mind control on a mass scale; it's truly frightening how susecptible people are who are not aware of the psyop.

The problem here, specifically, is a majority of people still do not comprehend that the so-called "news"--all of it--is nothing but agenda-driven propaganda. Once you understand that--as in 100% understand it and accept it as nothing other--it will no longer trigger you, no matter what your political leanings. But if one subscribes to the program (as is the objective) as some kind of rendering of reality, it will literally drive the mind to a rabid pitch in alignment with the agenda, or to insanity, whatever comes first.

I went to my MD who is more alternative than most. I have chronic migraines and she asked about stress. I mentioned some stress in how to deal with current affairs. This unleashed a torrent of Trump rage. Trump is ruining the country, even destroying the world. I was a little flabbergasted at her vehemence. I started thinking THIS MUST BE PROGRAMMING. But where is it coming from and why are some so vulnerable. There are many of us who are really concerned about what is happening but why are SOME becoming emotionally unhinged?

And I would say the same for Trump supporters too who see him as a Divine influence. I don't see why anyone should be so emotional about Trump? I am holding out that civil war is not an option. If we have an event that "justifies" civil war, it will be our local neighborhood crazies (and opportunistic thugs) running amok that we should protect against. I am not alone thinking so....

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[Delight]

This made sense to me. It's 2011 in the video.....the coup d'état already happened


Death of the Liberal Class. Hedges argues that there are five pillars of the liberal establishment - the press, liberal religious institutions, labor unions, universities and the Democratic Party - but that these institutions have failed the constituents they purport to represent.

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[Ernie Nemeth]

Just came back from my best friend's house, whom I haven't seen in two years. Knowing ahead of time that he is infected by Trump derangement syndrome, this time not one word was spoken about politics in three days! I accidentally mentioned Trump in passing and he started in immediately. I quickly deflected the convo to more peaceful topics. He is waiting for impeachment with bated breath...

[Retief]

Impeachment will not happen, if they actually voted on it (the house as a whole has the power to do this, not Nancy) then the repubs would have subpoena power. Not going to happen. They will just drag this out for as long as possible. This is a coup attempt. I am not a Trumpster but you are watching in real time the United States being turned into a banana republic.

[Delight]

This is a short clip of a robot which is a very scary picture of a force being developed. Our guns would not make any difference. We cannot expect they will help us create the future we want.

twitter post (https://twitter.com/i/status/1188211129639505921)

[Antagenet]

Watch the last half of this video. Cogent analysis of the upcoming Disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAjvgDzxh-8

[Bill Ryan]

This is a short clip of a robot which is a very scary picture of a force being developed. Our guns would not make any difference. We cannot expect they will help us create the future we want.

twitter post (https://twitter.com/i/status/1188211129639505921)

It's CGI, don't worry! (And so is this fun follow-up :bigsmile: )

https://twitter.com/QTAnon1/status/1188285881209081856

[pyrangello]

President Trump is not getting impeached and all these daily articles on civil war are only on the minds of these of the lunatic media that speak of polls of 7 out of 10 Americans worry about a civil war . Ah ,yes the infamous polls brought to you by the same BS institutions of the media. I'm a pretty dialed in individual with large associations of friends, There's nobody I know talking about a civil anything. This reminds me of the attorneys that want to sue someone , so they throw all this crap on the wall day after day until something of goo eventually sticks to the wall. At least that's what the "if it bleeds it leads media would hope for" with their civil agenda. We all have many more important things to deal with everyday than someones made up soap opera agenda.

Now as for the individuals who are on barbiturates about this current president , it is truly fascinating to see even some of my family and close friends go absolutely insane whenever you bring up his name . Maybe its because he 's not a polished politician or maybe its a class warfare thing,or maybe some want to have a nanny state where everything is taken care of for them and that feels safe, I really don't get it. This country has certainly been in worse shape and even more divided than now and will get thru this time as we have in the past. Until then we have a President who doesn't drink alcohol or smoke, A President who wants no compensation for taking this job, A President who doesn't take perpetual vacations to lavish countries around the world with a huge entourage at taxpayers expense , A president who doesn't care about the word political correctness and a man who is a husband, father, grandfather and an American who believes in LAW and ORDER. There is no civil war on the horizon or anywhere close.

[RunningDeer]

A Did You Know? post: Avalon has a Tweet icon.


https://i.imgur.com/6l4iqef.jpg


This is a short clip of a robot…
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[Delight]

This is a short clip of a robot which is a very scary picture of a force being developed. Our guns would not make any difference. We cannot expect they will help us create the future we want.

twitter post (https://twitter.com/i/status/1188211129639505921)

It's CGI, don't worry! (And so is this fun follow-up :bigsmile: )

https://twitter.com/QTAnon1/status/1188285881209081856

That is a relief. This one looks real

This Russian robot shoots guns (https://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2017/04/25/this-russian-robot-shoots-guns-drives-cars-uses-tools.cnnmoney/index.html)

[RunningDeer]

That is a relief. This one looks real

This Russian robot shoots guns (https://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2017/04/25/this-russian-robot-shoots-guns-drives-cars-uses-tools.cnnmoney/index.html)

Three plus one. These videos have been around at least since April 25, 2017. Note: there’s repetition in the first 3 vids.


This Russian robot shoots guns (1:39 minutes)
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Russian Terminator humanoid robot FEDOR learns to shoot with both hand (1:37 minutes)
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Russian Killer Robot FEDOR - Shooting Guns and drive a car (3:29 minutes)
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Posted December 3, 2015


Robot shield shot 1000 times - keeps goin' (2:06 minutes)
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[Satori]

Think "force multiplier", but on steroids. That's what "they" want and feel they need.

They are, in point of fact, so physically and psychically weak, that they continue to persistently steal from us, and then spend for them, billions (if not trillions) of dollars (and other currencies), to buy themselves a sense of security. Many of them, and most of us, are being manipulated into believing technology is the answer for whatever they and we covet. Super soldiers is a concept they take seriously.

[T Smith]

The MSM narrative suggesting alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella's safety is at risk is correct, but not for the purported reasons. It would be devastating and unacceptable if something were to happen to Ciaramella on the eve of or right after the media is forced to reveal his identity.

The media is now at the cusp of having no other choice (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/11/news-outlets-grapple-with-unmasking-the-whistle-blower) but to reveal, or at the very least report on the identity of the ground-zero actor effectively responsible for launching a partisan coup d'état against the sitting POTUS--a development that would not bode well for the impeachment charade if not unravel it entirely (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/06/alleged-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella-worked-closely-with-anti-trump-dossier-hoaxers/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social).

For these reasons it is easy to understand why the MSM has blacked out reporting on the whistleblower's identity--that is, up until now. It would be nearly impossible to spin his character as anything other than an anti-Trump operative (Trump allies could even make a convincing case that Ciaramella has a rich and storied history of being an anti-Trump activist); the whistleblower's motives and credibility are highly suspect to say the least and even the staunchest of impeachment advocates would have trouble waging a credible defense of his motives. In short, the media well understands it must keep the identity of its key operative and the very catalyst of the impeachment inquiry itself a secret at all costs, and all under the guise of protecting his safety.

This narrative, however, is nothing less than a powder keg and a dangerous display of predictive programming.... I don't think we should take what we are seeing unfold lightly. The world already knows the identity of the WB--and especially those who already understand Ciaramella is but a DS operative--so in theory, he and his family are already in danger if we are to subscribe to the logic that outing his identity might put him in harm's way, i.e., subject to the wrath of theoretical anti-establishment vigilantes. In other words, the cat's already out of the bag...

If and when the media can no longer officially contain its blackout and/or spin Ciaramella's identity in some kind of credible light, however, we may find the political landscape in a much more unstable predicament. In such case it wouldn't be a stretch to see Ciaramella fall victim to some kind of false-flag sacrifice, e.g. in a grand Jeffery-Epstein-like fashion, coupled with a narrative convenient to the concurrent agenda. This would serve both to distract from the tumbling house-of-cards impeachment setup as well as compel it full-fledge forward. A windup deplorable or MAGA fanatic would be the perfect patsy to spark enough outrage and blowback against the sitting POTUS to prompt impeachment proceedings, perhaps even to the point of trying and convicting.

The problem with this scenario and the potential execution of this DS playbook is, unlike 9/11, there are enough people onto the psyop. Attempting to pull something like this off will not bode well with those who understand what is unfolding in real time--especially those in the military--and speaks directly to the title of this tread...

[Bill Ryan]

It's being increasingly talked about, re the sham impeachment that's making a joke of the US political process. Go to 5:20 in this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ElivNx5xE

[Praxis]

It's being increasingly talked about, re the sham impeachment that's making a joke of the US political process. Go to 5:20 in this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ElivNx5xE


Mind elaborating on why you believe it is a sham?

[Bill Ryan]

It's being increasingly talked about, re the sham impeachment that's making a joke of the US political process. Go to 5:20 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ElivNx5xE

Mind elaborating on why you believe it is a sham?Thanks for the question! I looked up the definition of 'sham', wondering if I'd misused the word. I think I did (I apologize!), because 'sham' is defined (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sham) as

something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.
And it's not that. The current impeachment is real, not a hoax. It's a legitimate legal process. Laws and proper protocol are being followed.

But it's being utilized as a kind of kangaroo court, based on 'evidence' that's spurious and motivated by nothing but a desire to get rid of the current president by any means fair or foul. There's no statesmanlike desire for the best thing to happen for the nation — apart from the handful of Democrats who've already stated that they will vote against the motion.

[Ratszinger]

They are not following the rules of impeachment no sir they are not! In fact there are no facts in the case against Trump at all but just hearsay. I don't expect it to last long in either the house or the senate.

[RunningDeer]

It's being increasingly talked about, re the sham impeachment that's making a joke of the US political process. Go to 5:20 in this video:

I followed Lisa Haven for a short time. I was never able to listen to a whole video. She talks a lot of fear porn. Lisa has 428,000 subscribers but now she's lucky to get 20,000-30,000 views per video.


https://i.imgur.com/Tlu0nmp.jpg

Lisa Haven (https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/theelissahill)
https://i.imgur.com/GeeQNes.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

It's being increasingly talked about, re the sham impeachment that's making a joke of the US political process. Go to 5:20 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ElivNx5xE

Mind elaborating on why you believe it is a sham?Thanks for the question! I looked up the definition of 'sham', wondering if I'd misused the word. I think I did (I apologize!), because 'sham' is defined (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sham) as
something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.
And it's not that. The current impeachment is real, not a hoax. It's a legitimate legal process. Laws and proper protocol are being followed.

But it's being utilized as a kind of kangaroo court, based on 'evidence' that's spurious and motivated by nothing but a desire to get rid of the current president by any means fair or foul. There's no statesmanlike desire for the best thing to happen for the nation — apart from the handful of Democrats who've already stated that they will vote against the motion.
Actually, I think I stand corrected (or at least, I'm in good company! :) ). In this new Dark Journalist video (talking to Catherine Austin Fitts), Daniel Liszt straightaway refers to the impeachment as a sham. (1:10, at the very start of the livestream.) They then discuss the impeachment in quite some depth before moving on to wider issues.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNG0lt3n2Us

[Gracy]

Something I'm now noticing about the term "sham", is that it seems almost everyone on tv who is strongly against impeachment, is calling it a sham. Whether or not the term fits is arguable I reckon but, regardless of accuracy it sure seems to be catching on.

Sham here, sham there, everywhere a sham sham.

So far as possible civil war, before it was mostly on tv news and social media, but now I'm seeing not just on tv, not just on social media, but in my real life daily surroundings. This crazy impeachment thing is dividing people like I have never seen before, not even close. Like, I one of the most common descriptions of the civil war that has actually already happened, was "it was brother against brother".

I'm seeing that, to the point that people can't even discuss it any more if there is even so much as a sliver of disagreement between them. Its getting to be the true definition of a purity test. There IS NO middle ground any more, it reminds me of when Bush Jr. decreed "either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists".

I s*it you not.

A brother for impeachment, will nastily accuse his brother who doesn't support impeachment, as being a stupid partisan hack. And vice versa, to the point that they have to agree not to talk about it. Except that's quite difficult to do when the this event is literally sucking all the oxygen out of the room pertaining to any other events.

Things were already tense here politically, and culturally, and this has the potential of pushing things over the edge. Literally, I'm seeing brother against brother, sister against sister, spouse against spouse.

I'm starting to get worried...

It's starting to get ugly...

I'm starting to feel like we're being set up...

[Praxis]

Something I'm now noticing about the term "sham", is that it seems almost everyone on tv who is strongly against impeachment, is calling it a sham. Whether or not the term fits is arguable I reckon but, regardless of accuracy it sure seems to be catching on.

Sham here, sham there, everywhere a sham sham.

..

This was actually my point. I was surprised to see Bill Ryan using the same terminology that the I see everywhere else.

Whether or not it is a sham, the fact they keep repeating it should tell you something. The fact that you repeat those words should tell you something more.
Dont you think it is interesting that Daniel is also parroting the same word? Bill, you said yourself they are following protocol. And for republicans to cry wolf over this makes me vomit Monica Lewinsky( this is honestly why I cant take the right seriously in their critiques because they are such hypocrites).


Bill, I wasnt going to push back and I was going to let your answer just pass without examination but since you brought it back up.

Please refer to the evidence, i Dont happen to know which particular thing you are referring to, and then please relate why you feel this evidence is not legit.


Meanwhile, we passed another defense bill that literally created a new branch of the military industrial complex called space force( which side note dont you think it is interesting that Disney let the troops see the new stars wars early and even gave out CHALLENGE coins? Disney branded star wars challenge coins! I look forward to the Special Batch of Disney War on Terror Challenge Coins!)

There is so much happening now and yet we have conversations like this one. To me Trump is the sparkly object that is being used to distract while the plan continues to unfold. Notice how Obama policies inherited from Bush are still continuing to this day. No not obamacare. The real policies. Where are the anti war people? Where are the 9-11 truthers? Why dont they hold their NYC native feet to the fire and get him to take a 9-11 stand for a re-investigation?

If we are caught up in Sham this and Fake News that, we are spinning. Constantly spinning. Yet more defense bills are passed. New Military org created. New frontiers dominated.




EDIT

I am watching that interview now and I AM SHOCKED at the double think. Yeah I bet that people are not tuning into politics because their food stamps were cut. WHO CUT THEM? TRUMP! Yes Obama did too!

[TomKat]

If we are caught up in Sham this and Fake News that, we are spinning. Constantly spinning.

I prefer to sit back and watch this mind control experiment play out. Back in the 60s there was a saying, "what if they held a war and no one came?"

[ShotAcrosstheBow]

You don’t know how close this was to civil war,
And until recently I was preparing for this event

It’s not going to happen, don’t worry, thanks to the intervention of some God sent people, (Q+)

Trust me, if this had the slightest chance of happening I’d be warning you, and giving you advice lol (I’m a survivalist)

[Franny]

Hey Shot, this is a pretty cryptic statement which does not make it very useful. Could you expand upon it a bit and give some context so members can have a better understanding of what you're talking about?

[ralfy]

It might be more of civil strife rather than war, with neighbor attacking neighbor as the few days' worth of food, fuel, medicine, and other supplies in each town and city dry up due to supply chain disruption.

[T Smith]

Is civil war in America coming?

America has been perched atop of a powder keg for long time now--but up until recently this question has been rhetorical and intellectual fodder; the current election cycle, however, has formally launched a divided nation directly onto the track to Civil War... We have graduated from intellectual fodder to genuine crisis.

Let's consider:

There a discerning ideological divide in America like never before; wherever you turn for information and news "two" disparate Americas emerge at polar opposites; there is no longer nuance or a gray area or the question of interpretation depending on what news source and media outlets one subscribes to. This is downright alarming and dangerous, as most people do not know how to negotiate propaganda (nor even recognize the news and political commentary as propaganda). Thus, we all form our allegiances, understanding, and worldviews according, and at polar opposites of our neighbors, depending on our ideological biases.

For example, this article (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-election-that-could-break-america/ar-BB19kN77?ocid=uxbndlbing), which we can safely surmise as the leftist worldview (there are countless iterations of this theme riddled throughout MSM), informs its subscribers that Donald Trump will not leave office under any circumstances after November 3 and warns its readers the current POTUS is a usurping dictator, Hitler incarnate.

Both these articles, here (https://www.infowars.com/hillary-biden-should-not-concede-under-any-circumstances/), and here, (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/09/08/democrats-have-planned-a-coup-if-trump-wins-reelection/) understand events from an entirely different worldview and inform their readers that the left is waging a coup, that Biden won't concede defeat under any circumstances, citing the party's admitted promise in its own words. In other words, this promise isn't speculation.

I find very few commentators analyzing the obvious here--neither side is going to concede... It matters not who wins, nor who some dubious authority declares as the winner of this Banana-Republic election. Neither candidate is going to concede.

Perhaps we should let that sink in a little in the context of the subject matter of this thread....

[Gwin Ru]

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[Bill Ryan]

This does increasingly seem to be a question worth asking.

:bump:

[lisalu]

Yes it is Bill. It seems to me they keep trying to push us to that extreme with one thing after another and so far it hasn't worked. The hiring of 87,000 IRS workers, willing to carry a weapon and use it against us will be the last straw. My next thought is where on earth are these workers going to come from? They can't find enough people to work as it is. And if the coming food shortage is as bad as I expect it to be, who's going to feed them? And will any of that matter when it's down to finding food to eat. My head spins from all this insanity, so I go back to my garden and my canning and pray to God.

[Ratszinger]

The powers behind this hope that a civil war will take place so those masses here will blame each other instead of them! What we need to do is rise above this and realize that the manipulators behind this entire thing and the enormoity of it is staggering! If anthing it should unite us!

[TomKat]

Yes it is Bill. It seems to me they keep trying to push us to that extreme with one thing after another and so far it hasn't worked. The hiring of 87,000 IRS workers, willing to carry a weapon and use it against us will be the last straw. My next thought is where on earth are these workers going to come from? They can't find enough people to work as it is. And if the coming food shortage is as bad as I expect it to be, who's going to feed them? And will any of that matter when it's down to finding food to eat. My head spins from all this insanity, so I go back to my garden and my canning and pray to God.

The federal agencies want to be police. The US Forrest Service became a police agency in the 1990s. I knew a guy who trained to be a forrest ranger and he quit becuase he didn't want to be a cop, which is all they were teaching.

[9ideon]

At this stage it is becoming more and more unavoidable. The self proclaimed so called Elite has at its disposal a very large contingent of People at whom they can cower behind, like they've always done.

I just hope People will not forget this (when they've had enough) when those fork tongued excuses for Human beings start spewing their false promises and lies again, I'll leave it to the imagination of the reader to decide outcome for self. I'd prefer a nice Resort experience at certain Russian vacation parks in Siberia, let them eat bugs and live like the weakest chain on Earth, we are after all as strong as our weakest link, this great crime against Humanity which is conveniently ignored by all of us, the ones in the picture below. So much needed intellect destroyed by these false bloodlines for profit and exclusiveness.

https://i.postimg.cc/Sxwyt3hB/Compilation-I.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/8cQGZ6gL/Poor-Comp-II.jpg

It just angers me, so go one, have at it.

[T Smith]

The FBI has jumped the shark. At this point they almost have no choice but to double down and fabricate something that will not only "justify" the raid, but also warrant an arrest of Trump.

However--Trump's Secret Service and security detail will never allow that to happen.

The civil war starts the minute they try to "arrest" or apprehend Trump. We will see some kind of shoot out between Secret Service and FBI. Lines will be drawn. The official breakdown of law and order. Factions within the military established.

God help us all....

[TomKat]

The FBI has jumped the shark. At this point they almost have no choice but to double down and fabricate something that will not only "justify" the raid, but also warrant an arrest of Trump.

However--Trump's Secret Service and security detail will never allow that to happen.

The civil war starts the minute they try to "arrest" or apprehend Trump. We will see some kind of shoot out between Secret Service and FBI. Lines will be drawn. The official breakdown of law and order. Factions within the military established.

God help us all....

The Secret Servicce would never fight the FBI. But that would be great theater!

[Spiral]

Dark Journalist & Joseph Farrel discussed this recently, they think the "union" will probably disappear as big States decide they are better off out, with some scuffling & conflicts along the way.

I think their guess is as good as anyones tbh.

Another question is what would really happen now "the state" (anywhere, not just the USA) is more or less a fiction in peoples minds, a kind of delusion, because real power now lies with the ultra rich and their corporations with which they wield that power.

What we have seen with the WEF & the vaxx attacks on humanity make this all too clear, how do "the people" fight back against them ? They are unaccountable, but they own the politicians, the secret services, the law, and now huge tracts of farmland, they are buying up housing, the water, power, and communications.

[Dumpster Diver]

Notice: Please notify militia groups and patriots to stand down regarding the trump situation. The chinese are trying to get america to erupt into a civil war. In order to prevent loss of life of american citizens do not fall into the trap. We are working on it and hope to resolve the issue soon. Thank you and please share everywhere.

**edit by Sue to clarify - The above quote was taken from this post here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&p=1512723&viewfull=1#post1512723) from the thread "The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies". It is a quote of Kim Goguen's words.

[Bill Ryan]

Notice: Please notify militia groups and patriots to stand down regarding the trump situation. The chinese are trying to get america to erupt into a civil war. In order to prevent loss of life of american citizens do not fall into the trap. We are working on it and hope to resolve the issue soon. Thank you and please share everywhere.You didn't write this.... where did it come from? Can you supply a link? THX. :thumbsup:


Thank you for this excellent thread, DD. I want to do a PSA about some hazards of having chickens. This is very important, especially if you have an inflatable pool set up on your porch.If you really do think this is an "excellent thread", please don't jam it up with trivial nonsense that no-one will ever care about or be interested in reading.

:focus:

[9ideon]

We used to get code talkers at Dtv sometimes, most of it was (as far as we could make it out) nonsense, some was not, or at least suspect when partly decoded.

The OP seems out of place, like China has anything to do with those Idiots running the West. A civil war will not help China, it will only delay the inevitable simply due to the fact that problems will not be solved by just shifting from one idiot to another, for the US to be fully deprogrammed it needs to be shown the entirety of the Scheme, Civil war will not do this.

[Arcturian108]

Notice: Please notify militia groups and patriots to stand down regarding the trump situation. The chinese are trying to get america to erupt into a civil war. In order to prevent loss of life of american citizens do not fall into the trap. We are working on it and hope to resolve the issue soon. Thank you and please share everywhere.You didn't write this.... where did it come from? Can you supply a link? THX. :thumbsup:


Thank you for this excellent thread, DD. I want to do a PSA about some hazards of having chickens. This is very important, especially if you have an inflatable pool set up on your porch.If you really do think this is an "excellent thread", please don't jam it up with trivial nonsense that no-one will ever care about or be interested in reading.

:focus:

Bill: The quote about not having a civil war if Trump is indicted came from Kimberly Goguen, according to a post on that Avalon thread last night.

[ExomatrixTV]

Notice: Please notify militia groups and patriots to stand down regarding the trump situation. The chinese are trying to get america to erupt into a civil war. In order to prevent loss of life of american citizens do not fall into the trap. We are working on it and hope to resolve the issue soon. Thank you and please share everywhere.You didn't write this.... where did it come from? Can you supply a link? THX. :thumbsup:


Thank you for this excellent thread, DD. I want to do a PSA about some hazards of having chickens. This is very important, especially if you have an inflatable pool set up on your porch.If you really do think this is an "excellent thread", please don't jam it up with trivial nonsense that no-one will ever care about or be interested in reading.

:focus:


Before reading Bill's comment ... I had the same sentiment ... I do not get it why some people do not add all necessary context & sources to justify to warn and/or demand and/or push anything on others! ... Even if it is done with good intentions.


It is almost like not wanting to understand how (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85066-Randy-Cramer-Is-he-for-real&p=1512605&viewfull=1#post1512605) Project Avalon Network really works!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

I have my own "golden rule (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108972-No-Qanon-Accountability-Here-is-why-...)" how to deal with "secret sources" and/or "anonymous sources" spreading all kinds of claims that can go (mega) "viral" ... where others join the hype and add their own interpretations with deep emotional excitements >>> on top of that many trolls of all kinds joining too (some posing as "the resistance" but are completely fake) >>> which eventually all efforts becomes one big mess!


All designed to create much more chaos & confusion! ... Especially when it has some snippets of truth in what is claimed.

The reason why this pattern is coming back over and over and over and over again ... is because there are more and more people who spread/forward all kinds of political memes sharing without checking ... sharing without really thinking what it is really about ... Vast majority may have "short attention-span syndrome" seeking only "instant gratification" without real accountability of their quality of thinking & judging ... Add: Having all kinds of unchallenged assumptions and the whole PsyOp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)) is complete.


This problem (to a degree) is happening on all sides not just "the loony left (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know)".

Now you see why it is so important to have always a need for proper context with enough source-links/videos having all the necessary citations & credits people can investigate themselves ... But somehow more and more seem to have "no time" or "no interest" doing that ... I wonder why that is ... The same people who are or act like that are later angry & upset that we still have total chaos on almost all levels of existence with dire consequences.


To me it is so predictable how society creates their own downfall then blaming everyone else butt themselves ... not seeing how they acted and behave last decade.

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
August 17th, 2022 🦜🦋🌳

[O Donna]

The connection of the OP (as a stand alone - no links etc.) with.......

https://i0.wp.com/usa.thetrendwire.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/34baae10-1de1-11ed-aefd-2b2199806917.png

'Deadliest Catch' fleet witnesses unusual rocket launch: 'Did Russia shoot a missile, dude?'

https://news.yahoo.com/deadliest-catch-fleet-witnesses-unusual-rocket-launch-did-russia-shoot-a-missile-dude-040848200.html

........is undeniable.

The annoying part, seemingly ALWAYS mixing facts with rhetoric/ opinion and trying to make both appear as fact. Attempts at manipulation are rampant in the world today. Observed opinion of ..... TV, WWW, opinions of people that have used either/ both.... when seeking truth.

I get the purpose of entertainment but when suggest a particular thing is serious when the thing itself could very well be mundane, that's pure attempt at manipulation of the viewer. Madness.

Hollywood....

stop already,

....now you're just looking desperate for attention.


We used to get code talkers at Dtv sometimes, most of it was (as far as we could make it out) nonsense, some was not, or at least suspect when partly decoded.

The OP seems out of place, like China has anything to do with those Idiots running the West. A civil war will not help China, it will only delay the inevitable simply due to the fact that problems will not be solved by just shifting from one idiot to another, for the US to be fully deprogrammed it needs to be shown the entirety of the Scheme, Civil war will not do this.

...for the US to be fully deprogrammed it needs to be shown the entirety of the Scheme, Civil war will not do this.

take that a step further, if I may....

... for the WORLD to be fully deprogrammed it needs to be shown the entirety of the Scheme, WORLD war will not do this.

[Spiral]

'Deadliest Catch' fleet witnesses unusual rocket launch: 'Did Russia shoot a missile, dude?'

https://news.yahoo.com/deadliest-catch-fleet-witnesses-unusual-rocket-launch-did-russia-shoot-a-missile-dude-040848200.html

........is undeniable.

The annoying part, seemingly ALWAYS mixing facts with rhetoric/ opinion and trying to make both appear as fact. Attempts at manipulation are rampant in the world today. Observed opinion of ..... TV, WWW, opinions of people that have used either/ both.... when seeking truth.

I get the purpose of entertainment but when suggest a particular thing is serious when the thing itself could very well be mundane, that's pure attempt at manipulation of the viewer. Madness.

Hollywood....

stop already,

....now you're just looking desperate for attention.



Probably just a passenger jets contrail, but they have to keep pushing the Russiaphobic meme at each & every possibility.

It doesn't matter how often the west tries to re-frame what is going on in the Ukraine the facts on the ground show they are doing exactly what Putin said they were going to do, that and nothing else.

Here in Blighty the more conservative & trusting of the establishment a place is, the more "piss & tears" flags there are up....

[RunningDeer]

Notice: Please notify militia groups and patriots to stand down regarding the trump situation. The chinese are trying to get america to erupt into a civil war. In order to prevent loss of life of american citizens do not fall into the trap. We are working on it and hope to resolve the issue soon. Thank you and please share everywhere.You didn't write this.... where did it come from? Can you supply a link? THX. :thumbsup:

:focus:
It was posted yesterday @ Telegram: “Life Force General Chat,” by Kimberly.


https://i.imgur.com/ofemy86.jpg

Here’s the cut and paste, in case the above is too small to read.

NOTICE: PLEASE NOTIFY MILITIA GROUPS AND PATRIOTS TO STAND DOWN REGARDING THE TRUMP SITUATION. THE CHINESE ARE TRYING TO GET AMERICA TO ERUPT INTO A CIVIL WAR. IN ORDER TO PREVENT LOSS OF LIFE OF AMERICAN CITIZENS DO NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP. WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND HOPE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE SOON. THANK YOU AND PLEASE SHARE EVERYWHERE.


...Scheduled for Aug 17, 2022 Live at noon EDT

Notice: Please notify militia groups and patriots to stand down regarding the trump situation. The chinese are trying to get america to erupt into a civil war. In order to prevent loss of life of american citizens do not fall into the trap. We are working on it and hope to resolve the issue soon. Thank you and please share everywhere.

I dropped by to add clarity to the OP, and the latest info by Kimberly Goguen a half hour ago. I won't attempt summarized because there's a lot to what she covered. Kim live streamed for over an hour from YouTube. The broadcasts aren't saved. UPDATE: See Gwin Ru's post for the latest report below (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119277-Notice-Very-Important-&p=1512961&viewfull=1#post1512961).

She covered a lot of current events, and Jared Kushner and Juan O’Savin. She clarified what she meant about ”We do not want America to erupt into the civil war”. Then went on to the hows and whys on esoteric information. And returned to summarize the political bomb shell info.

[O Donna]

'Deadliest Catch' fleet witnesses unusual rocket launch: 'Did Russia shoot a missile, dude?'

https://news.yahoo.com/deadliest-catch-fleet-witnesses-unusual-rocket-launch-did-russia-shoot-a-missile-dude-040848200.html

........is undeniable.

The annoying part, seemingly ALWAYS mixing facts with rhetoric/ opinion and trying to make both appear as fact. Attempts at manipulation are rampant in the world today. Observed opinion of ..... TV, WWW, opinions of people that have used either/ both.... when seeking truth.

I get the purpose of entertainment but when suggest a particular thing is serious when the thing itself could very well be mundane, that's pure attempt at manipulation of the viewer. Madness.

Hollywood....

stop already,

....now you're just looking desperate for attention.



Probably just a passenger jets contrail, but they have to keep pushing the Russiaphobic meme at each & every possibility.

It doesn't matter how often the west tries to re-frame what is going on in the Ukraine the facts on the ground show they are doing exactly what Putin said they were going to do, that and nothing else.

Here in Blighty the more conservative & trusting of the establishment a place is, the more "piss & tears" flags there are up....

Though not to think phobia production is bottled in only one place. One place easily removed and poof, problem solved.

[9ideon]

... for the WORLD to be fully deprogrammed it needs to be shown the entirety of the Scheme, WORLD war will not do this.

Unfortunately that'll prove impossible the way it is going. Do not forget we're dealing with a lethal combination of Socio, Psychopaths and weaklings whom are not going to stop ever, they want a war like they always want it so they eventually can establish control over the entire Planet. It's just not their time frame anymore, which makes 'm even more lethal.

Building something new on blood and bones is never a good idea, they just do not see it that way.

[O Donna]

... for the WORLD to be fully deprogrammed it needs to be shown the entirety of the Scheme, WORLD war will not do this.

Unfortunately that'll prove impossible the way it is going. Do not forget we're dealing with a lethal combination of Socio, Psychopaths and weaklings whom are not going to stop ever, they want a war like they always want it so they eventually can establish control over the entire Planet. It's just not their time frame anymore, which makes 'm even more lethal.

Building something new on blood and bones is never a good idea, they just do not see it that way.


This is not possible but, then again, here we are

Adage applies: Nothing is impossible.

Hold the line

Stay buoyant.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... here is what it's all about:

recorded version: 17-08-2022 United Network News Breaking News Update with Kim (https://www.unitednetwork.news/content/detail/62fd3d68805b990016d3dc4a/17-08-2022-United-Network-News-Breaking-News-Update-with-Kim) 1:00:31

home (https://www.unitednetwork.news/home)
world news (https://www.unitednetwork.news/news/breaking-news-and-special-reports)
- Join Kim as she pulls out the whiteboard to explain the planes!
- Also what is Juan O Savin up to? AND
- how does he link to the dead Donald and his family!
- This and more!

https://www.unitednetwork.news/content/detail/62fd3d68805b990016d3dc4a/17-08-2022-United-Network-News-Breaking-News-Update-with-Kim
(available free from pay wall for ~ 24 hours from time of release)


... that's a very loud and resounding mic drop...

[lake]

Oh my .... how wonderful :)

I am so glad that someone is going to save us after all this time .... You have ALL seen and ALL have the knowledge of ALL they have done for us over the last years .... Saving us ALL :)

Blessed be them ALL :)

If they were not protecting us ALL .... then just imagine how bad it could have been? (<<<< sounds a lot like the injection BS .... I know I am dead but it would have be worse if I hadn't got jabbed with sh*T)

[9ideon]

... for the WORLD to be fully deprogrammed it needs to be shown the entirety of the Scheme, WORLD war will not do this.

Unfortunately that'll prove impossible the way it is going. Do not forget we're dealing with a lethal combination of Socio, Psychopaths and weaklings whom are not going to stop ever, they want a war like they always want it so they eventually can establish control over the entire Planet. It's just not their time frame anymore, which makes 'm even more lethal.

Building something new on blood and bones is never a good idea, they just do not see it that way.


This is not possible but, then again, here we are

Adage applies: Nothing is impossible.

Hold the line

Stay buoyant.

Wish it were that simple Son of Donna, we both know it is not. The impossible however has already happened, who'd have thought Russia and China would come to the rescue at almost 12.00hrs.

I hoped we could Ghandi this, but these are the types we're up against (vid below is shocking content wise), you think there is still a chance to Kumbaya our way out of this?

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[xidaijena]

Notice: Please notify militia groups and patriots to stand down regarding the trump situation. The chinese are trying to get america to erupt into a civil war.

WHAT???
I thought USA are trying to get China to erupt into a civil war because of Taiwan Issue.:confused:

[Gwin Ru]

...

... here are some of the data behind the OP Notice:

8-17-22 United Network News Breaking News Update with Kim Goguen (https://rumble.com/v1gdc95-8-17-22-united-network-news-breaking-news-update-with-kim-goguen.html) 1:00:35

LifeNews (https://rumble.com/user/LifeNews)
Published August 17, 2022

Join Kim as she pulls out the whiteboard to explain the planes! Also what is Juan O Savin up to? AND how does he link to the dead Donald and his family! This and more!

v1dr6ch




LIFE FORCE GENERAL CHAT
Chat here! Ask questions. Team members who have been involved for awhile will do their best to answer. We are friends and compatriots in the fight to restore our planet. This thread is to share ideas and help each other out.
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[Delight]

Clif High with something important.

When will it all POP-OFF? (https://clifhigh.substack.com/p/when-will-it-all-pop-off?utm_source=podcast-email&utm_medium=email#details)

[onawah]

What's with the click bait title of this thead? As far as I can see, it's not news that anyone would be interested in except those following this thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies
Is the real goal to recruit new adherents to that group?
I hope this isn't going to be a new trend on the forum, because it will only cause confusion.

[Delight]

What's with the click bait title of this thead? As far as I can see, it's not news that anyone would be interested in except those following this thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies
Is the real goal to recruit new adherents to that group?
I hope this isn't going to be a new trend on the forum, because it will only acuse confusion.

I was responding to the sentiment that civil war would be a wrong move. Cif states his case and it has to do with giving carte blanche to the globalists breaking up the USA. THAT is not what I want.

[onawah]

I corrected the error in my post #21, from "acuse" to "cause". I hope that didn't cause any confusion...

[Eva2]

Removed wrong thread

[T Smith]

The sentiment from the militias where I'm at is, "...keep your power dry..." All organic groups understand what is going on. If civil war erupts it will be triggered by a false flag or by FBI provocateurs.

Contrary to popular perception, members of militias are some of the smartest, most disciplined and temperate people I know.

[Satori]

The sentiment from the militias where I'm at is, "...keep your power dry..." All organic groups understand what is going on. If civil war erupts it will be triggered by a false flag or by FBI provocateurs.

Contrary to popular perception, members of militias are some of the smartest, most disciplined and temperate people I know.

I like that: “keep your power dry”. You might want to keep you powder dry too.

As we used to say in my Army days (Among other things.): “Keep your head down, your hopes up and your powder dry.”

[Bubu]

The sentiment from the militias where I'm at is, "...keep your power dry..." All organic groups understand what is going on. If civil war erupts it will be triggered by a false flag or by FBI provocateurs.

Contrary to popular perception, members of militias are some of the smartest, most disciplined and temperate people I know.

Thats good news. your opinion matters to me so if you'll please explain all the violence commited by militias against civilians.
I see militias as arrogant narccissist majority of them. But as you have said youre an insider so definitely you see something I dont.


I posted this on this thread. what can you say about this

Re: Sitting in tears, is Germany the first to show openly the face of the future dictatorship?
Quote Posted by Patient (here)
The world must unite. We all have to stand together.

If people have succumbed to the fear of covi-19, then they can succumb to the fear of a vaccine.

If the information of the vaccine is true - it has the ability to make both men and women sterile and to cause cancer. If everyone on the planet is given this vaccine, what will be the reality of the world in 30 years? In 50 years, and so on?

If we all stood together and stopped working, what would they do? What if we all work for each other?

All the government employees stop working. Everyone else supports their efforts.

It has to happen, otherwise there will be nothing left for us to work for.


they will order the armed groups to force us or kill us.
Its time to realize that unless we the people neutrlize the armed stoogies first we cannot get our hands to their bosses to neutralize them ( have mentioned these here many years ago). there are two ways. by force/ civil war or we communicate with the leaders of the armed groups explain to them what is really going on and where the worl is headed . that they and their families will share the plight of the human family. They and their families live among us, get to their love ones first.
seeing all these protest happening I cant help but to think that all of these are organize by the people of the not so great reset. It makes us think that we are doing something to counter but then what we are doing is hacking in the wrong place therefore not doing anything good. It only accelerates the misery of the masses. Look at the truckers protest what it has accomplished so far? and now the farmers protest with all the manures thrown in public places. Seems we have lost completely the ability to think clearly. But then maybe this is something to go through in order for us to learn/ start how to think clearly

[T Smith]

The sentiment from the militias where I'm at is, "...keep your power dry..." All organic groups understand what is going on. If civil war erupts it will be triggered by a false flag or by FBI provocateurs.

Contrary to popular perception, members of militias are some of the smartest, most disciplined and temperate people I know.

Thats good news. your opinion matters to me so if you'll please explain all the violence commited by militias against civilians.
I see militias as arrogant narccissist majority of them. But as you have said youre an insider so definitely you see something I dont.




I wouldn't say I'm an insider. And I certainly can't speak for all militias, especially any that may or may not exist outside the US. But I do know of some people who participate in what I would call "organized defense preparation." They are mostly diehard Constitutionals who recognize the situation of the world and their duties to fight for their freedoms, their families, and the Constitutional Republic, if necessary. They aren't violent people, but they do have lines in the sand, behind which they will defend with their lives.

There is a deep-rooted duty in the American collective consciousness--although relentless social engineering is definitely conditioning this out of the public over the past several decades--to defend against tyrannical government, if necessary, epitomized by the country's founding documents and the words of Thomas Jefferson himself:

"...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure...." Thomas Jefferson

There is also plenty of propagandized information to the contrary, but this is more or less the culture underlying the people I know of with ties to militias.

[Bill Ryan]

A 4 minute piece on Fox News:

The Left talking nonstop about civil war: Victor Davis Hanson


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGgc_Qh1Zrg

[Eva2]

'“Massive civil unrest in the US starting in 2023, Word War 3 on the horizon, inflation to only get progressively worse, and the elites going all out to push their Great Reset on humanity. Legendary economic forecaster and astute scholar of history and human nature Martin Armstrong speaks with Ryan McCormick from The Outer Limits of Inner Truth (https://www.outerlimitsradio.com/martinarmstrong) to discuss his predictions and insight on the topics above.
Armstrong reveals what to expect and what people can do in the volatile years ahead. Also, if we can weather the storm till 2032, things should clear up, and humanity should be knee-deep in a peaceful enlightenment period by 2040.” '

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong-in-the-media/interview-an-introspective-look-at-the-collapsing-republic-push-for-global-totalitarianism/?fbclid=IwAR26g5VlslNj9EjZ9nShL2p8i__RykFCLkFd6thfCwt9kxy6jN2qe3C6pvU

[9ideon]

Apparently there are plans to arrest Trump around the elections.

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Also this strange coincidence.

j8ZWgD2b4OM

[Mike]

Here's an amusing little tidbit:

There was an article written about this topic on medium and I got caught up in the comments section, debating it with the writer like an idiot. But I couldn't help myself.

Anyway, I basically said that a hypothetical war between red and blue states would be over pretty quickly, due the red states having all the guns. And this guy said (and I swear to God I'm not making this up!) that guns would be irrelevant and that the blue states would win the war due to their "diversity".

[mountain_jim]

Apparently there are plans to arrest Trump around the elections.

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Also this strange coincidence.

j8ZWgD2b4OM




https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1564863050527789057?s=20&t=CIb6FkF94bkuwGkVFl4u6A

1564863050527789057

[9ideon]

Guns would be irrelevant and that the blue states would win the war due to their "diversity".

I know a few of 'm from the Gaming community, they're as gunned up as the rest of 'm. I guess diversity could work too, oooh wait, no, perhaps not, lol.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

This no longer seems impossible.

[norman]

Where are the weapons for this war ?

One side of the 'fight' has just sent all theirs to ukraine.

[Bill Ryan]

Where are the weapons for this war ?
I can think of all kinds of things. I'd bet anyone could. All the ingredients are there in plain sight apart from the organization and co-ordination.

But I'd also bet that some of that planning is happening right now, very quietly. I'm no expert on American culture or society, but seen from afar I'd not be surprised if we're very close indeed to a tipping point of active discontent.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think it will depend upon whether Trump wins the 2024 election. If he doesn't then the election can be assumed to have been rigged and illegally stolen, again - because this time the American people will vote for the restoration of law and order in their homeland, and that's a vote for Trump and only Trump.
The American people will revolt if they believe the election was stolen again.
So yes, a civil war is imminent depending on what timeline we are on...

[T Smith]

:bump:

This no longer seems impossible.

Here is the Deep State Propagandists' take. (https://www.msnbc.com/mehdi-on-msnbc/watch/are-we-heading-for-civil-war-if-trump-is-sentenced-to-prison-190811205595)

[DNA]

Where are the weapons for this war ?

One side of the 'fight' has just sent all theirs to ukraine.

Where did the one billion in donations to black lives matter go?
I've always thought that a possible source.
Obama's fast and furious was a plan to supply this very thing. I'm sure they've come up with 2.0 and 3.0 since it was outed.




Guns would be irrelevant and that the blue states would win the war due to their "diversity".

I know a few of 'm from the Gaming community, they're as gunned up as the rest of 'm. I guess diversity could work too, oooh wait, no, perhaps not, lol.

People always talk about movies and music as a source of mind control, but the most triggered mind controlled bunch I see are the gamers. Ever notice how gamers are almost always liberal and get triggered as soon as you mention anything with red or pill in it?

[ErtheVessel]

With regard to American culture and a tipping point, these two songs have recently gone viral in the U.S. on YouTube and seem to speak to a whole lot of people. Reading the comments under each video is worthwhile.

Note that the first video, Jason Aldean, has 29 million views, but the original video has been inexplicably shortened. You can check it out on YouTube and read the comments on that one, too. The video I posted below is the original full length version which was posted only recently and has only 1M views.

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There are dozens of YouTube podcasters posting videos reacting very positively to these two music videos.

Music can be a force of nature.

[shaberon]

Where are the weapons for this war ?


We have them.

Private hands.

Here again we are mixing a bunch of terms.

The United States has never had a Civil War: two sides fighting for control of the government.

I think that this would be far less likely to happen than either of two scenarios: military coup or insurrection.

By the latter I mean what we saw around the last election: Antifa busts up a bunch of stuff, nothing productive comes from it. They do not seem to have a definable enough political platform to even be called a "side" if there was war.

The militia has no interest or ability to march on Washington and are generally Trumpeteering statists.

I would describe it as "defensive", and, since the idea of millions of Communists parachuting in for an invasion is obsolete, that leaves one significant bloc they might fight, Antifa.

Nothing disorganized about it. Not in the position of spamming cell phones so hopefully a bunch of radicals come crawling out of the woodwork; rather, this *is* the police and fire department, the teachers, the government, the family businesses, and so on. Nothing new, because this has always been here ever since prior to the colonial revolts. Just to remind everyone about gun control, even when the governors were loyal to the British, it means:


You own a gun and come when we call you.


In a legal sense, this has been rescinded and the governor merely commands a voluntary National Guard.

On the human level, nothing changed, other than the original plan meant the government would supply the ammunition. That is why we have more than they do now.

[DNA]

Yep


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[Bill Ryan]

:bump::bump::bump:

It's a little hard to believe the last post on this thread was back in August. Bumping the thread now simply to remind members and guests that the discussion exists. :)

[Ernie Nemeth]

I can picture the average conservative picking up a gun and charging, holding the line.

Who on the left is going to do the same?
I don't know, but can you take your Xbox to the front lines?

[pyrangello]

Your narrative Ernie is pretty spot on. In America's rural communities these towns will police their own and defend their own. These communities will keep law and order in place side by side with law enforcement. Most of your rural communities voted red, it is the major cities that will be more of a challenge, but I doubt we will see what happened in Minnesota where over 1000 buildings were damaged or destroyed again. Now in the woke very liberal cities, good luck on those areas.

[ozmirage]

A cursory examination of the news would lead people to believe that there is an imminent civil war, based on the presumption of police brutality, invasion, racism, social (in)justice, toxic socialism, and/or oppression.

Best advice : have a 24 month supply of food, and other necessities... well hidden and protected.

But there is another preparation few have considered.

I'm an advocate of America's republican form of government, wherein all men have Creator endowed rights that governments are instituted among men to secure (source: Declaration of Independence). I can find no flaw in that which would trigger a civil war.

However, there are certain flaws in the Constitution that allowed enemies of the republican form to gain ascendancy and shall lead to the destruction of the nation if not checked.

The predators cannot win without our consent to be their victims.

The major players :
[] Usurers (bankers, corporations, underwriters, etc)
[] Collectivists / slavers (socialism, progressivism, communism)
[] Zealots (those who are intolerant of all other races, religions and governments)

Usury (interest) has been proscribed for 'only' 3500 years, denounced by all religions that I checked, and mathematically unsustainable in a finite money token system like ours. The exponential equation used for compound interest requires an infinite money supply to operate over the long term. Since that is impossible, it means that a portion of debtors shall default simply because enough money does not exist for all to repay their principal and interest.

The Usurers gained ascendancy after the ratification of the USCON, with its restriction to species coin (insuring a huge demand for credit) and the federal power to legislate over bankruptcies (thus removing all risks of retaliation against the usurers). At the ratification of the USCON, there were no domestic sources of bullion, hence all American coin had to be bought from "friendly" bankers. SMH.

Though gold and silver strikes eased the pain, the boom in silver threatened to destroy the bankers, via "Free and unlimited coinage of silver". The usurers responded by having 'their' pet government limit to gold coin, in the Coinage Act of 1873, which further shrank the money token supply, driving demand for "an elastic currency" to facilitate trade. This resulted in the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which bankrupted the U.S. government in 20 years (1933). The State of Emergency, still in force and effect, allowed the CONgress to bypass the USCON, and cease complying with it.

To deal with the civil unrest of the Great Depression caused by usury, and the sudden collapse of debt-credit, the newly re-organized government embraced communism lite, by enacting FICA / Social Security, and made it legal for the government to TAKE from one to GIVE to another. This abolished private property - one of the core requirements of the Communist Manifesto.

However, collectivism is genocidal as well as destructive of freedom. In the pre-socialist days, security in old age came from one's family or private charity. Ergo, families were large. Along comes socialism claiming to pay retirement by 'taxing other people's children' so that one need no longer have a large family as security. Unfortunately, the socialist overhead and taxes drove all adults into the work force, while reducing birthrates. Rising population of pensioners versus shrinking tax base is a harbinger of collapse. (See: Europe)

Furthermore, the confiscation of surplus insured that producers of surplus would diminish. Why work harder if only to have it taken from you? Socialism eventually devolves to equal distribution of misery and lack.

(Ironically, though the ‘majority’ culture considered public charity to be an embarrassment, the ‘minority’ culture considered it a way to ‘get back’ and force taxpayers to be their indentured servants. Generations grew up, as wards of the glorious collective State, thankful to their new masters.[/sarcasm])

America's long standing war with Islam has been largely forgotten, and the influx of jihadis will inevitably result in a religious war once their numbers are sufficient. The irony is that socialism forces their victims to pay support for their conquest of the Americas.

Of course, there are laws on the books that if enforced, would ban Islam, deport all Muslims, and close all mosques. Ditto, for "voluntary" socialism - which is entirely by consent. And without consent of the victims, usury would not have a stranglehold over the nation.

In fact, if Americans restored their republican form and began to use private Liberty money instead of government funny munny, the usurers and collectivists would be ruined. (If you can create your own money, why borrow from usurers? If you don't need public charity to survive, why would you need entitlements from the State?)

Hopefully, once people are restored to all their Creator endowed rights, they will no longer tolerate any people who would deny them their rights because they are infidels or of a different race, ethnicity, etc.

If ever that happened, our former rulers would probably instigate a world wide alliance to destroy these united States of America, for daring to oppose them. I wouldn't be surprised if the coalition was headed by the English monarchy. But I digress.

LIKELY SUSPECTS
The three factions will probably be the major combatants in the unCivil unWar. Islamic zealots consider leftishists to be infidels and they are categorically opposed to usurers (banking, etc). The Collectivist Left hate "right wing" banks and corporations (which aren't really right wing), and as atheists, they oppose Islam. And the usurers just want to rob and cheat everyone they can, while pretending to be in favor of traditional government ("right wing").

TL,DR summation:
The "predators" plan to dismantle the USCON and replace the "Declaration of Independence" with something in harmony with the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, abolishing the republican form of government, voiding Creator endowed rights, and instituting the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic of America, by universal acclaim of the ignorant serfs, who will cheer their universal servitude in exchange for "free benefits." (It worked in 1933 - the serfs deified FDR)

If most Americans wake up and support the republican form, the opposition loses, no matter what.

[apokalypse]

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strange or coincidence? Western Forces TEXAS...

[Nasu]

"More than 20 Republican governors now support Texas as Governor Greg Abbott declares the border crisis an invasion and invokes the State's constitutional right to self-defense."

2 mins long.

A possible flash point....x..... N

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[Ratszinger]

Based on the aggressive behavior of every side of the aisle on X this country is ready to explode into violence at any time. I think at this point its just a matter of time and what exactly happens next to set off that pop heard round the world. 26 states against 24 and I must say I've not seen red states so angry and determined as now. Things are getting fierce and more so by the day. If the military doesn't really have it all and take over and lock down everyone for that ten day trial and review from what they have in their intel as we've been told countless times God help us all! This isn't just a maybe anymore. It's real. In some ways I think it's already begun.

[SilentFeathers]

I can picture the average conservative picking up a gun and charging, holding the line.

Who on the left is going to do the same?
I don't know, but can you take your Xbox to the front lines?

There are 10's of thousands of young male adults that have recently arrived in this country I'm pretty sure the left can convince with money to grab a rifle and fight for them.... most of them have nothing better to do right now.

[Chip]

As I watch our border crises unfold and as Texas takes its position to stop this blatant invasion without and against Federal approval-
I wonder deeply how over the past few years with 22 million having already made it into this country in this manner…..If it’s not a wee-bit too late.

Now we are left with factions of terrorists setting up everywhere- this is just undeniable.

And again we have this heart and soul Patriotism for country at its highest level.
Can anyone recall this same sentiment following 9/11?
What was the truth behind 9/11?
What are some of the goals of the Globalists?
-Do they not want the US to have a Civil War?
Of course they do
It looks like they got everything they wanted to me.
The best of both worlds in their sadistic minds.

The stage they set perfectly as masters in the art of Hegelian Dialectic.

-Chip

Note: 22 million sourced from Tucker Carlson

Adding a post from Lee Merritt’s MD channel from Telegram.

“Is anyone worried that this is all being orchestrated by the CABAL specifically to fragment America? These Governors until now have been marginal or anti- Trump or appointing people that are anything but conservative in action. But now they are poised to create secession by standing for states rights. I believe in States rights but this seems too well crafted. Just a word of caution. Remember it was European bankers and allies within US that fomented our civil war in 1861. It all seemed reasonable and noble to the participants. Is this 1861 redux?”

[Satori]

The world has been at war for a very, very, very long time. Wars are not created to be won, they are created to be waged, repeatedly and endlessly. The current iteration of the global war includes the need to foment and wage civil wars within nations to one degree or another. Some nations still need to fall, or at least fall into line, with the newest and evolving order of things.

[pyrangello]

Michigan may be a blue state in title but I can assure you since we are on an international border with Canada, if we had 300,000illegals crossing into this state in 1 month it's citizens here would not be sitting here saying come on in. If biden and company want to challenge a states rights to protect its own citizens, I'm thinking their popularity rate whatever is left will be going to zero in a new York minute.

[norman]

I posted this in the news thread a couple of weeks ago.

The guy speaking has his own idea about what it means, but in the light of recent developments, he could be missing the even more obvious.



Partly NEWS and partly opinion. The news part , I think, justifies being posted here. Make your own minds up about the implications.

GOOGLE is making a major update/change to it's terms and conditions in February.

https://t.me/theorionlines/1923

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-Chip

Adding a post from Lee Merritt’s MD channel from Telegram.

“Is anyone worried that this is all being orchestrated by the CABAL specifically to fragment America? These Governors until now have been marginal or anti- Trump or appointing people that are anything but conservative in action. But now they are poised to create secession by standing for states rights. I believe in States rights but this seems too well crafted. Just a word of caution. Remember it was European bankers and allies within US that fomented our civil war in 1861. It all seemed reasonable and noble to the participants. Is this 1861 redux?”

I'm not in America and I don't watch TV anyway, but I've just heard that MSM in America is showing lots of invasion related footage.

If that's really true, that only makes sense to me if they are up to something like maybe they are about to pull a stunt like a J6 2.0

Invasion footage on MSM can only harm the current administration, unless they are going for a much bigger play than keeping Biden in the White House a few more months.

[SilentFeathers]

There is an alignment being made right now with the States vs Federal Government. The Supreme Court did just rule that the Feds basically have the right to remove the razor wire. This is the "sleight of hand" trick (ruling) that the Federal Government can play to use force.
These are the types of things that are a recipe for disaster, when a government creates a showdown with the civilian population. It appears to me that this could easily spiral out of control.
In my opinion the Biden Administration must make a power move and not allow the States to appear to have and to actually have more control and power over this matter than the Federal Government has.
Personally, I feel the deep state is allowing this to happen for a clear line to be drawn in the sand for all to see....something major will happen for these states to back down so all will see it is actually the Federal Government (deep state) that is the true boss and ruler. This could easily backfire though, either way something major is about to happen.

[jaybee]

There is an alignment being made right now with the States vs Federal Government. The Supreme Court did just rule that the Feds basically have the right to remove the razor wire. This is the "sleight of hand" trick (ruling) that the Federal Government can play to use force.
These are the types of things that are a recipe for disaster, when a government creates a showdown with the civilian population. It appears to me that this could easily spiral out of control.
In my opinion the Biden Administration must make a power move and not allow the States to appear to have and to actually have more control and power over this matter than the Federal Government has.
Personally, I feel the deep state is allowing this to happen for a clear line to be drawn in the sand for all to see....something major will happen for these states to back down so all will see it is actually the Federal Government (deep state) that is the true boss and ruler. This could easily backfire though, either way something major is about to happen.


It has been said in other posts that the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott is part of the WEF.... I don't know if this is correct or not or how aligned to them he would be in the reality of a major confrontation ----- but if he does have their (WEF) 'blessing' to oppose the Biden Administration on the open southern border....... perhaps 'they' think this growing crisis might stop the 2024 election happening...? and therefore stop Trump...?

just thinking aloud here... because, as you say... it could all backfire and in a BIG way....

[SilentFeathers]

There is an alignment being made right now with the States vs Federal Government. The Supreme Court did just rule that the Feds basically have the right to remove the razor wire. This is the "sleight of hand" trick (ruling) that the Federal Government can play to use force.
These are the types of things that are a recipe for disaster, when a government creates a showdown with the civilian population. It appears to me that this could easily spiral out of control.
In my opinion the Biden Administration must make a power move and not allow the States to appear to have and to actually have more control and power over this matter than the Federal Government has.
Personally, I feel the deep state is allowing this to happen for a clear line to be drawn in the sand for all to see....something major will happen for these states to back down so all will see it is actually the Federal Government (deep state) that is the true boss and ruler. This could easily backfire though, either way something major is about to happen.


It has been said in other posts that the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott is part of the WEF.... I don't know if this is correct or not or how aligned to them he would be in the reality of a major confrontation ----- but if he does have their (WEF) 'blessing' to oppose the Biden Administration on the open southern border....... perhaps 'they' think this growing crisis might stop the 2024 election happening...? and therefore stop Trump...?

just thinking aloud here... because, as you say... it could all backfire and in a BIG way....

Personally, I'm not convinced that they want to stop Trump. The longer they can pluck away at him and slowly destroy him and those that support him the longer they can condition the minds of the masses that this is what will happen to them also if they don't "behave correctly".

Once Trump is back in the White House he will never be able to gain control of the "deep state" and media will constantly blame him for all the damage done by the Biden Administration. The deep state can also then cause one catastrophic event after another and blame Trump and the MAGA people for that too. Sort of a final solution phase to the deep state opposition once and for all....

As for this border crisis, I think Gov Abbott and the other Governors supporting him will somehow be shut down. It may get out of control at first but that is just part of the "Shut them down plan" in my opinion.

I'm just speculating of course....

[SilentFeathers]

‘God’s Army’ protest convoy going to southern border for rallies

A convoy of protesters who have deemed themselves “God’s Army” will reportedly make its way to the southern border next week as tensions rise between Texas and the Biden administration.

The organizers of the “Take Our Border Back” convoy say their mission is to stand up against “globalists” who they claim are conspiring to keep the U.S. border open and allow illegal immigrants to cross from Mexico.

“This is a biblical, monumental moment that’s been put together by God,” one of the organizers said on a recent planning call, as reported by Vice. Another said, “We are besieged on all sides by dark forces of evil.”

Article (https://www.kxan.com/news/gods-army-protest-convoy-going-to-southern-border-for-rallies/)

The language being used is quite telling....it sort of tells us where all of this is going.

[norman]

Lawyer's opinion required

Can (Red) states that have started a process of secession actually vote in a federal election ?

[Ratszinger]

Lawyer's opinion required

Can (Red) states that have started a process of secession actually vote in a federal election ?

There won't be an election if it comes to that and if there is one there will be two. The red states will vote for their leader and the blue theirs. I don't expect an election to take place at all at this point though at least not at the time everyone expects it to take place. Biden threatens with the military but he can't afford to send the boys to Ukraine now when he thinks he will need them here and after the way a vast number of military turned their backs on the man the day he was elected when driving by all of them I would not hold my breath he has as much control over them as he believes he does. Strange times.

[ozmirage]

Slave revolts don't end well - remember Spartacus?
However, voluntary slaves need only cease volunteering.
Learn how and when you consented to be theirs, and avoid being drawn into a conflict where "we" lose no matter what.
Remember, their REAL GOAL is to get the sheeple to "rebel" in violation of their consent & agreements. That way, the government can feign innocence.
If FRAUD was used to get your consent, you have the right to vitiate any and all agreements derived from that fraud.
THEN you're not in violation. The government is no longer your sovereign master, but your servant.

(*May or may not have bearing - but - read Ezekiel 18:13 KJV. Every enumerated American with an interest bearing personal bank account is a "dead man walking". Whatever gubmint does to "DMW", no divine wrath will be forthcoming. Whereas if YOU are "out", no longer enumerated and not contracting for usury, "THEY" will be loathe to violate you. You can still call for His protection and receive it. I have only anecdotal evidence to back this up. YMMV.)

[ozmirage]

Lawyer's opinion required

Can (Red) states that have started a process of secession actually vote in a federal election ?
No state that's part of a PERPETUAL UNION can leave.
Contrary to popular belief, the beneficiaries of the union of States are NOT the citizenry, but the people (who did not consent to be governed). Thus no citizen or servant government can leave the union established to secure rights of the sovereign people.

There never was a “State’s Right” to Secede

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp
Article XIII. Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the UNION SHALL BE PERPETUAL; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
The U.S. Constitution incorporated all the mutual promises of the Articles (via Art. 6), to form a more perfect PERPETUAL UNION.

However, the republican form of government, promised in Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON, incorporates the promises made to the “free inhabitants” in Art.IV, as well as the Declaration of Independence - wherein Americans are endowed with rights that government was instituted to secure - not infringe - except by consent.

Since no state (government) has rights - only delegated powers - they have no "state's rights." The only sovereigns with rights are the non-citizen people, they can't "secede" from an agreement they never made. And the consenting citizens have no endowed rights, having surrendered them in order to exercise political and civil liberties (privileges). We know this because mandatory civic duties abrogate all endowed rights to life, liberty and private property ownership. (Ex: Militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command)
Citizens are subjects of their sovereign governments. . . which are servants to the sovereign people.
Neither can claim the right to secede.

[ozmirage]

Acknowledging the fact that few Americans will take the time to read law, determine that they want to withdraw consent, and actually do it, there IS one other thing you might do to incentivize civil servants.

Write a polite questionnaire to 'your' public servants - - -
1. What revenue taxable privileges are the basis for the government to impose taxes on (a) my property (b) my labor ( c) my transactions (d) and my automobile?
2. How and when did I consent to be governed, thus surrendering my endowed rights from my Creator, and become obligated to perform mandatory civic duties?
3. If citizenship includes mandatory civic duties, how can any American government impose citizenship upon an infant who cannot give consent?
That should suffice, for now.
If millions of polite questionnaires show up, do you think they'll "get the message"?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sad to think America has to go to war against not its own citizens, per se, but the entire hoard of illegal immigrants that have invaded their country on behalf of the request made in the name of the President of the USA itself.
Isn't that treason?


This impending civil war is a precursor to a much larger conflict, a world-wide conflict, brewing in the wings.

I have been trying to come to grips with it for a while, and I do not like what side I am tending toward. But the more I think about it the more it seems like that is the only way forward. Namely, that we must unite under one flag as inhabitants of planet earth if we want to play in the big leagues, the interstellar coalition of Federated planets.

We must be one in voice and intent in order to even be considered for membership. The globalist agenda is correct in intent but misguided on the means to achieve it.


Don't want to derail so I'll keep it short, but the pressure for change, under the guise of 'climate change', 'social justice', and 'reparations', amongst others, has a central theme of instilling chaos and societal collapse. It is an organized attack, centrally controlled, and almost perfectly orchestrated by a handful of individuals. They have a seemingly 'crazy' end goal in mind. Why? We have heard the reasons, but really? More control? This handful already enjoy almost godlike control. Money? Don't insult our intelligence, they are already filthy rich. Fear of the uprising of the rabble and feel they must hasten the destruction of the old order on their terms instead. Again, why would they worry, they own everything and everybody.

Ultimately, we are probably talking about alien interference by an intelligence beyond our own. Tangibly, and at the least, we are talking about the UN and its affiliate corporations and NGOs.


So, although America faces a dire moment in its history, it is not alone in the face of a global crisis with catastrophic consequences for all life on this planet. It could even turn out that what happens here on Earth might impact this entire region of space and hundreds of other worlds.

[norman]

Don't want to derail so I'll keep it short, but the pressure for change, under the guise of 'climate change', 'social justice', and 'reparations', amongst others, has a central theme of instilling chaos and societal collapse. It is an organized attack, centrally controlled, and almost perfectly orchestrated by a handful of individuals. They have a seemingly 'crazy' end goal in mind. Why? We have heard the reasons, but really? More control? This handful already enjoy almost godlike control. Money? Don't insult our intelligence, they are already filthy rich. Fear of the uprising of the rabble and feel they must hasten the destruction of the old order on their terms instead. Again, why would they worry, they own everything and everybody.

Ultimately, we are probably talking about alien interference by an intelligence beyond our own. Tangibly, and at the least, we are talking about the UN and its affiliate corporations and NGOs.




A typical bible believing Christian might say almost the same thing but they'd probably end up in a slightly different place. That is, that the world first has to shake itself out of all this man made organisation ready for the return of Christ and his Kingdom. By definition, that will be a single world order too.

[Satori]

Acknowledging the fact that few Americans will take the time to read law, determine that they want to withdraw consent, and actually do it, there IS one other thing you might do to incentivize civil servants.

Write a polite questionnaire to 'your' public servants - - -
1. What revenue taxable privileges are the basis for the government to impose taxes on (a) my property (b) my labor ( c) my transactions (d) and my automobile?
2. How and when did I consent to be governed, thus surrendering my endowed rights from my Creator, and become obligated to perform mandatory civic duties?
3. If citizenship includes mandatory civic duties, how can any American government impose citizenship upon an infant who cannot give consent?
That should suffice, for now.
If millions of polite questionnaires show up, do you think they'll "get the message"?

No I do not think they will get the message. The subjects upon which you write, much of which my research discloses to be accurate or arguably so, is too difficult and esoteric for the average person to grasp. That’s part of the dumbing down process that has taken place, right under our noses and with our acquiescence, the past 100 years or so in particular.

[ozmirage]

Acknowledging the fact that few Americans will take the time to read law, determine that they want to withdraw consent, and actually do it, there IS one other thing you might do to incentivize civil servants.

Write a polite questionnaire to 'your' public servants - - -
1. What revenue taxable privileges are the basis for the government to impose taxes on (a) my property (b) my labor ( c) my transactions (d) and my automobile?
2. How and when did I consent to be governed, thus surrendering my endowed rights from my Creator, and become obligated to perform mandatory civic duties?
3. If citizenship includes mandatory civic duties, how can any American government impose citizenship upon an infant who cannot give consent?
That should suffice, for now.
If millions of polite questionnaires show up, do you think they'll "get the message"?

No I do not think they will get the message. The subjects upon which you write, much of which my research discloses to be accurate or arguably so, is too difficult and esoteric for the average person to grasp. That’s part of the dumbing down process that has taken place, right under our noses and with our acquiescence, the past 100 years or so in particular.
The questions are for the servants who think they're the masters.
Whether or not the sender is completely in the know, the fact that they're asking questions is important.
The questions only have one of three answers:


"I don't know the answer"
"the truth"
"a lie"

The questionnaire is more akin to the innumerable marchers in "V" suits, in V for Vengeance. They weren't "terrorists" but they scared the beejeebers out of the gubmint folks.

The innocent public servants might look into it.
The guilty will probably emigrate to countries that do not extradite to the USA.


*** Anecdote: When I asked polite questions, I often got honest answers.
Ex: If involuntary servitude is unconstitutional, what is compelling me to pay this obligation ?
Their ans : Your duty to pay was established by Congress in the Social Security Act of 1935.

IN case you weren't informed, participation is 100% voluntary, and you can opt out anytime you wish. My favorite reason is that participation is a violation of my religious beliefs. Or you may use fraud as your grounds, since they never disclosed the truth about the program. Or that you were enrolled as a minor without the capacity to consent.

Interestingly, no one I know has ever gotten a response to the question : What form or process do I use to LEAVE socialist insecurity?
Allegedly, if you call the SocSec office, they put you on hold, with "Hotel California" playing in the background. [just kidding]
But if you do leave, do not ever apply for any benefit, etc, associated with that program, because then you've consented AGAIN, and this time, you should've known better.

[ozmirage]

Write a polite questionnaire to 'your' public servants - - -
1. What revenue taxable privileges are the basis for the government to impose taxes on (a) my property (b) my labor ( c) my transactions (d) and my automobile?
2. How and when did I consent to be governed, thus surrendering my endowed rights from my Creator, and become obligated to perform mandatory civic duties?
3. If citizenship includes mandatory civic duties, how can any American government impose citizenship upon an infant who cannot give consent?
That should suffice, for now.

References:
1. No government instituted to secure Creator endowed rights can tax, regulate nor trespass them. Only government privileges are taxable. And all privileges are voluntary. That's why there's no legal ground to demand no taxation without representation.

2. All mandatory civic duties are limited to citizens who presumably consented to be governed. Non-citizen American nationals have no civic duties.

3. Citizenship must be voluntary otherwise mandatory civic duties would be involuntary servitude, a violation of the republican form, the Declaration of Independence, and the 13th amendment to the USCON.

Yes, you were lied to, but all the facts are in the public record in any county courthouse law library. Ignorance of the law is no defense.

Fomenting a civil war is extremely foolish, when the law is on YOUR SIDE, if you only knew it.

[ozmirage]

The Achilles Heel

Thought bomb - what if all those "illegal aliens" were to learn that if they expatriated, acquired a domicile, and thus became free inhabitants, they would rise to sovereign status?

As non-citizens, they don't participate in the democracy, so they don't aid any partisan party.
As non-resident inhabitants, they cannot enroll in SocSec (Nor would they wish to - because they'd lose sovereign status).
As non-socialists, they are not eligible for taxpayer funded freebies.

BUT
They would have all their Creator endowed rights, and the "right" to be in America. They would have the right to life, natural and personal liberty, inherent powers, absolute ownership of private property, and so on.
In no other country could they rise to such status.
They would be the social and legal equals of every other monarch on the planet. All other nobility would be a step down from them.
I would think that they would no longer be any threat to the government insituted to secure THEIR SOVEREIGNTY, from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

Of course, the Powers That Be might be miffed.

[Ratszinger]

It would have to be squatters because if they bought a domicile they would have to pay the taxes to buy it and annual taxes based on tax value to keep from the man from taking it from them and squatters usually have to answer to a court at some point unless they flee. Squatters arrested (https://wfin.com/fox-national-news/arkansas-squatters-stake-claim-on-land-says-it-belongs-to-them-since-they-are-part-of-exclusive-group-police/)

[norman]

This interview is really a promo for a book.

Matt Bracken, ex navy seal and now author of several doomy fiction works, has the doomiest outlook for America of anybody's.

He says complete collapse is now inevitable and the subject of the book he's nearly completed is about the brutal recovery method for just Texas and Louisiana, based on fuel creation and a ruthless purge of all non local born people. His first few books accurately predicted real turns of events 15 years ahead of time so maybe his new book is worth a read.

Bracken has only scathing contempt for real world US military capabilities.


Matt Bracken joins Mike Adams with ominous prediction about the DEFEAT of the US military and the COLLAPSE of the empire
Feb 1st 2024

- US civil war risk with guest Matt Bracken. (0:00)

- Texas-US border crisis and potential collapse of global economy. (1:14)

- US military capabilities and geopolitical tensions. (10:32)

- Post-collapse recovery efforts and geopolitical tensions. (14:47)

- Geopolitics, military technology, and potential conflicts. (19:36)

- US military obsolescence and profit-driven defense policies. (24:45)

- Military technology and incentives for engineers. (30:04)

- US military spending and foreign policy. (34:50)

- US Empire collapse triggers and geopolitical tensions. (39:45)

- Post-collapse economics and patriotism in Texas. (48:03)

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[Ernie Nemeth]

What is free about 'acquiring property'? Certainly not the property or the perpetual taxes levied against it. Who owns the property before it is acquired? Do we imagine niceand poor little normal Janes and Johns, or to make it current, Mahameds and Prias, exchanging property amongst themselves?

How civilized. How Democratic.

Also, let's examine this action of 'to acquire' to see what it truly means.
For most it means ask the bank to buy it in your name. So 'to acquire' really means get the bank to buy it. Then we plebs have to work 20 - 30 years to pay the bank back with interest, which amounts to buying TWO homes in reality - one for yourself and one for the bank...

Good deal...for the banks.


So this vaunted concept of freedom, whether in a parliamentary form or republican form still results in the fact that freedom is not free at all. In fact, freedom is the most expensive state imaginable. The unholy truth is that most people cannot afford 'freedom' of this sort at all.
'Freedom', like life on this planet, is nothing but an illusion.

[palehorse]

...
Also, let's examine this action of 'to acquire' to see what it truly means.
For most it means ask the bank to buy it in your name. So 'to acquire' really means get the bank to buy it. Then we plebs have to work 20 - 30 years to pay the bank back with interest, which amounts to buying TWO homes in reality - one for yourself and one for the bank...

Good deal...for the banks.
...



and if Mohamed or Prias can't afford to pay the installments anymore for whatever reason, they will be toasted losing it all. So banks can go to hell, I would rather become a squatter than a mortgagor, the truth of the matter is many squatters start to pay taxes after several years and become the "owner" of the land, it works mainly for land and some squatters live their entire life without paying a single penny in taxes, so no mortgage in the process either way. But most people see it as politically incorrect HAHA

De facto freedom is illusion.


I say that openly for many years now, grab your piece of public land from your beloved government, if they ever catch you, then go through the process of "legalizing" it, in most cases if one is far away from big centers nobody will come to bother.

[scotslad]

apologies if covered elsewhere, but this is a trailer for an upcoming movie
about a potential civil war in the usa...

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Got me thinking (perhaps too much, but curopus what you think...)

At its core, does this movie (out April 24), raise thought-provoking questions about the relationship between art and reality? In a time when political tensions are running high and social divisions seem deeper than ever, will this film challenge audiences and viewers to consider the ways in which art can both reflect and influence the world around us?

Is it sewing a seed that many are thinking, or is it just another big budget action flick popcorn fest?

Does the portrayal of a modern civil war on screen serve as a cautionary tale, a mirror held up to our society's flaws and vulnerabilities? Or does it risk romanticising violence and perpetuating harmful stereotypes, narratives and divisions?

Perhaps just another action film, but is the role of Hollywood attempting to shape public perception and discourse? In an era dominated by blockbuster spectacles and glossy entertainment, will this movie offer a stark contrast by presenting a gritty, morally complex exploration of a timely and urgent subject matter and to serve as a warning to all?

Will it prompt audiences to critically examine the ways in which the media can manipulate, distort, or sensationalise reality for the sake of entertainment or profit, and what the potential consequences of such manipulation can have on public opinion and the collective consciousness, or am I just the only one wrongly looking at this?

Will viewers get drawn into the gripping narrative of a "fictional" modern day civil war and thus, are compelled to confront uncomfortable truths about the fragility of democracy, the power of propaganda, and the inherent human capacity for both empathy and cruelty?

I'm unsure, but I feel it might just challenge us all to reflect on our own roles as citizens, consumers, and participants in the ongoing "drama" of society, and to consider the responsibilities that come with wielding the power of storytelling in an increasingly fractured world (and more so now with the use of Deep fake ai and cgi)

Then again, should I just wait for its release on Netflix and switch off, and allow it to enterdrain my brain for a couple of hours?


Curious to your take.

[shaberon]

...and if Mohamed or Prias can't afford to pay the installments anymore for whatever reason, they will be toasted losing it all. So banks can go to hell, I would rather become a squatter than a mortgagor



Sharia law forbids mortgage and the Quran recommends debt forgiveness.

Mortgage was certainly a practice the American Revolution and Jeffersonian policy were vehemently against. Nevertheless, in the 1800s, it turned into a program of acquiring farm land, transferring it from the little people to the banks.

Nothing beneficial can come from non-productive dampers on one's home or labor.

Something probably is useful about the Soviet system that would guarantee you a small, cheap apartment. If you have the ambition for something more then go for it, but there is no excuse to drive everyone into legions of homelessness just "because".


The English have learned to talk like American dictators (https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14021119000368/Bank-Raeseer-UK-Wrkers-Ms-Accep-Lwer-Pay-Deals-Help-Bea-Inflain):


Victory in the war on inflation will require British workers to accept lower pay deals and companies to rein in their profits, a senior Bank of England policymaker announced.



First of all quit announcing a war on everything. It is fantasy, like a Zionist ground assault with no objectives. You can't attack an abstract. This is plain stupid.

The rest of the article is unnecessary, it is a set of excuses about why the Bank of England, nominally in control of everything that has ever been seen by the Hubble telescope, has no difficulty with you poor and the government giving your future to the immediate detriment of Ukraine and Israel.


Here, no, I would still say no Civil War is possible, because that would mean some faction is fighting to gain control of the government. What we would have is the opposite, to get rid of it. In fact, we have already tried this one time, and what did we get, more or less a genocide. Just look at some of the things the U. S. Army did where it claimed the people were its own subjects. That is what dragged us into the chains of subjugation.

Or, the perpetual debt started with this National Bank grew to become friends with the Big Brother Bank of England.

To exalt some other abstract like "freedom" while proceeding in this manner is just a ruse. Anything to keep you off of fundamentals like these assumed notions that "have to be this way" most definitely do not.

[Bill Ryan]

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[Lilyofthestars]

Yes. Yes it is. As an American who has seen too much of the two opposing sides and having lived amongst many different demographics by choice, I'd say it's blatantly obvious Americans are not mature enough to transcend the illusory two-party propaganda in order to save themselves. I'm voting RFK Jr, though I know he has zero probability of making it.

[Bill Ryan]

Yes. Yes it is. As an American who has seen too much of the two opposing sides and having lived amongst many different demographics by choice, I'd say it's blatantly obvious Americans are not mature enough to transcend the illusory two-party propaganda in order to save themselves. I'm voting RFK Jr, though I know he has zero probability of making it.Thanks for your view :flower:.... in your personal opinion (maybe even a guess!), what form might it take? If this was a movie, what would the storyline arc be? And how would it end?

This thread might be interesting, about how the US might split itself apart. (I know far less about the US than many members here, but it doesn't seem to me to be 100% impossible.)


US state secession: are differences irreconcilable? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120873-US-state-secession-are-differences-irreconcilable)

[Lilyofthestars]

Yes. Yes it is. As an American who has seen too much of the two opposing sides and having lived amongst many different demographics by choice, I'd say it's blatantly obvious Americans are not mature enough to transcend the illusory two-party propaganda in order to save themselves. I'm voting RFK Jr, though I know he has zero probability of making it.Thanks for your view :flower:.... in your personal opinion (maybe even a guess!), what form might it take? If this was a movie, what would the storyline arc be? And how would it end?

This thread might be interesting, about how the US might split itself apart. (I know far less about the US than many members here, but it doesn't seem to me to be 100% impossible.)


US state secession: are differences irreconcilable? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120873-US-state-secession-are-differences-irreconcilable)


I really hate to even be referencing this as I'm not the type of person to take films all that seriously unless they truly move me, but there was a film which was released recently, none the less by a brit (Alex Garland), about what a civil war in America might look like..
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On a rainy gloomy Oregon day a few weeks ago I decided to go ahead and see the thing out of sheer curiosity to what Garland had envisioned. He has been quoted as explaining he genuinely thinks this kind of a scenario is within reason.

My personal feelings on the film -- I was impressed at the thoughtfulness of the characters and how they interfaced with such horrors beyond comprehension, casually, as if they felt nothing. It was a study on the darker side of human nature to just "shut off" their feelings and look at humans as nothing more than bodies.. It was incredibly difficult to get through this film, I found myself almost shaking at the end. Perhaps one of the most terrifying films I've ever seen about the desensitization of people's hearts and souls... Something I feel is already happening. We live in a nation where people are addicted to shoot-em-up overly realistic video games, films which glorify violence, pornography, poor food choices, darkness, partying, and truthfully sin on every corner.. Granted this has probably been a deliberate dumbing down of the American people for decades by darker forces. Even those college educated with successful careers spend a great deal of their free time partying and deadening their own hearts.. The desensitization of American souls has gone on for too long. Because of this, I think that Americans are "ripe for the picking" as the saying goes...

I don't know how I personally feel it'll go down, but I have had visions about what will come to our land mass since 2010. Those visions began at a time in my early 20's when I don't think I had ever read a conspiracy theory in my life. I was a very proper "right think" liberal form the city. "Woke" even :chuckle: :bigsmile: ... as we were just discussing. The visions were non stop for years. I did see civil war come to our nation, but the reason seemed to be natural disasters which had triggered it. Earth events such as earthquakes and tsunamis, etc seems to be the trigger for it. I was also having visions of a Chinese/Russian invasion often.. The main thing that was always shown to me was that the entire grid of the entire United States goes black, and that it's during this time China begins it's efforts to take over. What I am confident about is that no films, media, or things I had been reading fueled these visions all those years ago. I was far too invested in university and work for that. There must have been 100's of them and I couldn't shut the water faucet of in-streaming astral projection off. I've never forgotten all of these, most are like photographic memory in my soul at this point. Fast forward to today, and I can see many things taking center stage which are showing those visions to be viable possibilities now...

Anyway, I'll leave it there. There's a sense for me that something very large is going to happen by next year, not sure about other Americans on this thread. I haven't read through much of it yet...

[Michel Leclerc]

apologies if covered elsewhere, but this is a trailer for an upcoming movie
about a potential civil war in the usa...

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Got me thinking (perhaps too much, but curopus what you think...)

At its core, does this movie (out April 24), raise thought-provoking questions about the relationship between art and reality? In a time when political tensions are running high and social divisions seem deeper than ever, will this film challenge audiences and viewers to consider the ways in which art can both reflect and influence the world around us?

Is it sewing a seed that many are thinking, or is it just another big budget action flick popcorn fest?

Does the portrayal of a modern civil war on screen serve as a cautionary tale, a mirror held up to our society's flaws and vulnerabilities? Or does it risk romanticising violence and perpetuating harmful stereotypes, narratives and divisions?

Perhaps just another action film, but is the role of Hollywood attempting to shape public perception and discourse? In an era dominated by blockbuster spectacles and glossy entertainment, will this movie offer a stark contrast by presenting a gritty, morally complex exploration of a timely and urgent subject matter and to serve as a warning to all?

Will it prompt audiences to critically examine the ways in which the media can manipulate, distort, or sensationalise reality for the sake of entertainment or profit, and what the potential consequences of such manipulation can have on public opinion and the collective consciousness, or am I just the only one wrongly looking at this?

Will viewers get drawn into the gripping narrative of a "fictional" modern day civil war and thus, are compelled to confront uncomfortable truths about the fragility of democracy, the power of propaganda, and the inherent human capacity for both empathy and cruelty?

I'm unsure, but I feel it might just challenge us all to reflect on our own roles as citizens, consumers, and participants in the ongoing "drama" of society, and to consider the responsibilities that come with wielding the power of storytelling in an increasingly fractured world (and more so now with the use of Deep fake ai and cgi)

Then again, should I just wait for its release on Netflix and switch off, and allow it to enterdrain my brain for a couple of hours?


Curious to your take.


False questions rising from the assumption that this such films are art.

Art is resistance by definition. It condemns how current "reality” (as corresponding to what was predictively programmed) destroys faith in truth, hope for goodness, love of beauty.

Such "films” are part of predictive programming and as such part of propaganda. Propaganda compels to believe in lies, to aspire to evil and to admire ugliness.

[Lilyofthestars]

Such "films” are part of predictive programming and as such part of propaganda. Propaganda compels to believe in lies, to aspire to evil and to admire ugliness.

Yes, partially, and sometimes they're honest considerations of an accumulation of decades of observations regarding the cultural condition of human beings, in this case particularity in America. I just said I didn't take it entirely seriously.

I did say what I do take seriously is a lifetime of visions which predates the "predicative programming" infiltrating our media. My visions came before I had ever seen such a film or read such a conspiracy theory in my life. I have a right to take them seriously whether they are funny, foolish, or nonsense to those ignorant souls around me.

I have met many people exactly like the country types depicted in this film. By the 100's. In fact there are millions of American men right now stock piling guns and preparing for civil war. They were doing it before the fancy War films about civil war in America were being released left and right. They have never trusted our government and yes, they are prepared.

With all due respect, I have lived amongst all types of people as an American and have observed much regarding the cultural state of things. Have you lived here?

[bojancan]

Yes. Yes it is. As an American who has seen too much of the two opposing sides and having lived amongst many different demographics by choice, I'd say it's blatantly obvious Americans are not mature enough to transcend the illusory two-party propaganda in order to save themselves. I'm voting RFK Jr, though I know he has zero probability of making it.

Regarding about Civil War in US... in my opinion, wouldn't look like the one, you had in 1861... nearly all of US have a GPS pin on that moment in history... and this way, I see more as an Information War and big riots instead of civil war...

I would vote as American also RFKJr... independent line.... it is so much time ahead, to really be inform about him and see the difference he would bring in your country... and with that also to the world. I am not there in US.. but my positive energy will go in his direction... I said in different thread, that I am sensing him as a winner... he is already rising up fast... check!

Will be no Civil WAR!:heart:

[Lilyofthestars]

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This is a former border patrol agent who describes the realities of what is going on with the current invasion of America and the billions of dollars SECRETLY being funded by the US government to ensure it's success. Only those who have been following this matter acutely over the last six months to a year would understand this is far from propaganda, alarmist talk, or exaggeration/lies by "crazy right wing extremists".

And yes, I've seen the buses dropping off nearly all military age angry men who are not here to "work" right here in a tiny small western coastal town no where near the cities. One might ask "but how do you know they're not there to work"? If you've seen enough footage spreading of this invasion you'll see that these are mostly angry violent young men who are being instructed on how to get here. A majority are not here to work or start a new life. While many know this is going on everywhere to a much smaller extent, it is at a far more extreme level in the US than Europe. It's being paid for directly behind closed doors. Hence the 600 million dollar checks referenced in the video which are being written out to catholic, christian, jewish and non religious organizations alike in order to keep the trafficking going. Compliments to our government. Most are not here with their families or to work. They're here preparing for something else.

eta: A few months ago an incredibly famous terrorist who's face is apparently known by many, was filmed crossing the border. Redacted shared the video. He valiantly declared "Americans will soon know my name" and bragged about their plans. He knows there's a plan. Did the US government stop him? No. They welcomed him with open arms. We have millions who have come in the last six months that are all military aged men, most are very angry and dark. This isn't "honest immigrants" who are just here to have a new life and work.

Just one leg of the stool that will probably lead to a very insane situation within 2-5 years time.

[shaberon]

This thread might be interesting, about how the US might split itself apart. (I know far less about the US than many members here, but it doesn't seem to me to be 100% impossible.)



I try to present what I have as a knowing member of "settlers" or "colonists".

I understand that, rather than conquistadors, my ancestors were more like refugees who understandably wanted to escape the many generations of mostly-religious violence that plagued Europe. In migrating to the "New World", I do not know of a single instance where, for example, they took rifles and shoved Natives off of land. Such land was for all intents and purposes unlimited, and you literally settled somewhere and started everything from scratch.

At a certain point, the idea was to remove the authority of the British Parliament, primarily over Taxation, as well as how to acquire more citizens. There was not really an idea to make a United States, or even overthrow Monarchy, because Washington would gladly have been accepted as the New King. Here, the king's governors were simply replaced. That is why there are states. It was just a transfer of control from one authority to another.

The issue of unifying these states was hotly debated in some areas, and the Constitution faced a resistance of 1,000 armed men in Rhode Island. The issues we face, now, are essentially the same as then: Wall Street (consolidated government) vs. Agricultural Economy (such as Thomas Jefferson).

The disruption to the Agricultural Economy was so bad, that, almost immediately after unification, South Carolina began educating her populace on "states' rights" issues, contrasted against the distant authority of a "consolidated government".

So there was *a lot* of awareness before the attack on Fort Sumter.

This was *never* a "Civil War", which means two sides fighting for control of the same government, such as happened in England. It was a secession, that is, an attempt to throw off the D. C. authority, as had been done to the British Parliament.

In our memory, of course, Union troops were completely guilty of genocide, rape, and looting, on people which it claimed were their own citizens. At the same time, Lincoln delivered a National Bank, which, for the first time, relied on a supply of Treasuries, that is, similar to the Bank of England, we get a central bank making loans to the federal government. This relationship has not changed ever since. When we think of what got unified, cemented, preserved, it is that. Afterwards, you see the beginnings of market crashes and panics devised by Wall Street, which continues to grow, and effectively cancels agriculture as once was known.

So it's not really unified by much. I suppose some think of it as their cash cow to go and do a bunch of military stuff. I consider it a hijacking. This is exactly why we did not want a "consolidated government". The dispute is still at the level of the Constitutional Conventions and local debates. To summarize the mess, I might say:


Fluff issues were over-discussed

Significant issues were sidelined

It was rushed through in a "race" to eliminate any chances of substantial issues being handled.

It was soon dominated by Wall Street, just as warned.



These days, it would be impossible for me to jump on anyone's wagon if it is not grounded in the close similarity of early America and Russia, in the sense of both being wary of European Money Power.

America got the slow crawl of Wall Street, Russia got the hard snap of the Bolsheviks. One of them has mostly washed its hands. It isn't here.


If something were to prove fatal to our current consolidated government, then, my first suggestion is one must look at the petroleum intakes, and then draw out their effective range of supply at a reasonable price. That would define zones which could be considered survivable in the modern sense. To have anything more than domestic production, then, you need to learn how to talk up favorable points for exchange, not take over the foreign producer.

You have to keep this infrastructure intact until such a time as oil is truly replaced. If managed properly, most of us would not bat an eyelash in transiting to some different government.

When I see the platforms that bring in ideas like "attack the local courts", then, instead, I go into a kind of counter-guerilla thing where I want to suppress the rebels. Any kind of "advocacy for change" brings so many platforms under its blanket, it is hard to say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". That is why we might say the French Revolution was, in the long run, unsuccessful. The American was successful, temporarily.


Since I doubt anyone influential is going to consider my view, then, I am personally more inclined towards emigration.

It may be that millions have been cast in to various fighters' corners that is still a bit "quiet", in terms of insurrections, but I do not see how a Zionist assault on a campus protestor can be anything but:


Rabid ideology


or

Violence for cash


If that represents "what's going on" and how to paint our future, I'm not in the discussion. And, unfortunately, it is deeply seeded, to the federal level. I don't even want to hear what IHRA has to say. This is a moot argument that I do not find to be part of civilization.

On the ground I'd say we are quite "gerrymandered" in a way that no longer has much to do with the borders of the states.

If I go one way, I find Nationalists who are armed to the teeth. If I go the other way, I find Internationalists disarmed to helplessness. I've discovered what it's like to care about what is said in a Synagogue mostly by Germans. And then there are those who like to pretend they didn't shoot the power station.


All I can do is advocate for a slow, educational process that leads mostly to legal changes, so it disrupts as little as possible. This is something other than the "right to vote" under the present circumstances. However, I will probably be surrounded by superficial, knee-jerk reactions.

[jaybee]

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Watched this dramatic presentation from Alex Jones on InfoWars yesterday -

I didn't make notes to give a break down of the content with time stamps but it was basically Alex announcing ... 'This is it!....the Big One'....he's still saying and believing (more like hoping, I think) that the situation can be mitigated but somewhere he says that for the first time, he has his 'bug out' truck organized and ready to go...just in case...to get out into a rural area...

It's about the lead up to the Presidential election in November (5th)...that the Globalists have begun advanced moves towards Civil War and Marshal Law with the Student Protest organizations happening now - and societal breakdown will get worse closer to Nov 5th so the elections are not able to take place... one scenario is that Trump could be killed and following that, key communicators like, for example, Tucker Carlson. Joe Rogan and himself will also be in danger of being killed / disappeared - plus key politicians like Rand Paul, Matt gaetz, MTG and that besides preventing the election and another Trump win the societal breakdown, Marshall Law will then usher in other big NWO moves like Digital Currency and World Government -


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Perhaps this is why the ludicrous situation with Biden is continuing - the Democrats aren't bothering with a real candidacy choice because there isn't going to be an election - RFK jr is battling away but it doesn't worry them - because there isn't going to be an election...? Trump is tied up with corrupt courts and is still the leading contender - but they aren't worried - because...........

Later in the presentation Alex addresses and appeals to the Globalists and there high ranking Puppets, like Gates and Zuckerberg for example -------- to just stop it - give up the crazy plans because it will be the end of them as well - they will spend their last days in bunkers and will never be forgiven by the masses - (if the societal breakdown in the US and a wider World War destroys civilization as we know it, especially in the West...)

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A quick note from me regarding this.... I have wondered how the Global Elite think they can continue with the 24/7 brainwashing and tight control if there is serious societal breakdown and the infrastructure that supports advanced tech like Smart Phones (for example) are not up and running smoothly - - - - perhaps they know there is an element of gamble with it all and this gives them a buzz... ??

Anyway..... here it is .....

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ALEX JONES [1 OF 4] FRIDAY 5/3/24 • CIVIL UNREST LEADING TO CIVIL WAR, NEWS, REPORTS & ANALYSIS - (49:36)


EMERGENCY! ALEX JONES HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE GLOBALIST DEEP STATE HAS ALREADY SET IN MOTION CIVIL UNREST LEADING TO CIVIL WAR & MARTIAL LAW — WE CAN MITIGATE THIS! SHARE & WATCH
It’s all right in front of you! The defunding of police, implosion of borders, Biden funding Hamas to strike Israel, Israel standing down, Soros funding the leftists — all of this is ONE BIG CLASH!


will it happen the way Alex is saying?..... time will tell..... but InfoWars is 'Tomorrow's News Today' so we will see -

fingers crossed the situation isn't so dire...but all the signs are there.... unfortunately

[Bill Ryan]

A kind of side note to this thread. I got very curious about Alex Garland's new Civil War movie, and found it online here. (https://www.bitchute.com/video/CISnk5CaPaGi) I'll not embed it, because it's not very high quality (it has irritating commercials, was recorded on a camcorder in a theater, and the sound isn't that great). But the whole movie is right there to be seen if anyone wants to.

It's not a fun watch. There's a great deal that's worrying and disturbing, much of it looks pretty realistic on screen, and (as many may know) it follows the journey of a small group of journalists, now war reporters with cameras in their hands 24/7, who are together seeking to find or somehow get the best stories and photos of the violent crisis that they possibly can.

No spoilers here. But the whole thing ends (literally, the end of the film) with the youngest of the war reporters now so 100% totally desensitized that she becomes completely immune to the sheer continuous traumatic horror in front of her eyes and in front of her camera lens.

It reminded me of the closure of Stanley Kubrick's iconic 1987 Full Metal Jacket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Metal_Jacket), where we see the film's main protagonist Sergeant Joker with the 'thousand yard stare' — a very real Vietnam syndrome and a known sign of someone having witnessed extreme trauma.

Alex Garland's intent in the film, it seems to me, was simply to portray that trauma — to almost every individual affected, not to mention the entire nation — as vividly as he could. (He succeeds. :flower:)

:focus:

[Bill Ryan]

Here's David Baumblatt (https://rumble.com/c/DavidBaumblatt), an FBI whistleblower, talking to Ania K a couple of days ago. He talks a lot about FBI surveillance (of which he's been a victim), and is pretty angry about a whole bunch of things.

But at 18:23, he refers to what he calls 'Civil War, Collapse, and Revolution', and feels (a) that it may be close to inevitable, and (b) would be the only realistic way now to change anything.

Former FBI Agent on the Collapse of the USA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nce7plKgNAA
Edit to add:

The briefest summary of his views:


Civil war in the US may be close to inevitable, and would be the only realistic way now to change anything.
Trump, whom he wholeheartedly supports, won't be able to really fix anything if he's elected (unless he somehow starts or triggers a civil war).
The only way to 'Take America Back" will be at the state level. The signs of a coming civil war will be the governors of more and more red states pushing back hard against the US federal government.
The US is more of a Corporation than a Country. "Diversity is our Strength" is a communist ideology.
The primary conflict (both in the world and in the US) is Globalism vs Nationalism.
China (where he lives and speaks fluent Chinese) isn't communist. It's far more nationalist or fascist. But there's more genuine freedom of speech in China regarding issues such as gender, race, color, and other topics that are verboten in the US. Strong family values in China are also very important (Regarding political discussion in China, however, David says one has to be careful.)

[Bruce G Charlton]

I don't suppose my opinion is worth much on this, but (FWIW) I regard a real civil war in the US as vastly improbable.

"would be the only realistic way now to change anything"

My interpretation of such statements predicting CW is that they are a species of wishful thinking. In other words, people realize that CW (or secession of some states from the federal government) would be the only way to change things fundamentally. And because many old-style Americans are ashamed of their nations docile acceptance/ embrace of an alien and self-hating ideology; and cling to the hope that it will suddenly reverse.

But I don't see the slightest sign of that kind of organized resistance; on the contrary All major US states, institutions, bureaucracies, corporations are on-board with the major planks of federal mainstream policies - at most dissenting on only one or two major issues (and, typically, over-compensating for this on other issues, as-if to prove their fundamental loyalty to The Agenda).

If any serious organized resistance to The Agenda existed in the US; then it would long-since have been evident; and things would not be as they are.

There may be an assault on native, white, Christian, middle states population within the US implemented by the federal govt; but I would predict that genocide is more likely than that it would be met by war.

There would be some significant (albeit futile, on the large scale) resistance presumably, some of it bitter; but local, scattered and grossly asymmetrical - and to some degree false flag, to provide 'excuses' for greater state aggression. But more like the legend of small groups or individual Japanese (suicidally) holding-out against the USA following WWII. More like guerrilla resistance than a civil war. But without state or official backing.

The reason for lack of US resistance to the lethal policies of their rulers is lack of sufficiently strong and cohesive motivation. This motivation used to be provided by religion, but all religions are now grossly enfeebled and ineffectual in The West (but not Russia - which for me is not The West).

For a couple of generations (only) nationalism took the place of religion as a motivator, but nationalism too has now been subverted and indeed inverted among the masses.

There is no other adequate motivator/ organizer. The material war against Western civilization and all the Western nations is long-since lost; the real war now is spiritual - and it happens at the level of each and every individual person.

[ZenBaller]

Genuine realistic question: what does civil war mean practically for you? Apart from a few thousand unorganized preppers here and there, a small number of extremists, a few thousands actual soldiers and people from the lowest social classes who are marginally socialized in each city, no one else is able to make war.

We are living in an extremely soft period regarding physical violence. The vast majority of people watch TV, argue online in comments, are obese and are completely alienated from any form of war, apart from what they see in movies.

The "civil war" concept which comes from the early history of the USA is no longer applicable. It's more of a illusion of a time that is long gone. The battle now is all about mental, emotional, energetic manipulation. Physicality will only be needed in small altercations that will end in a matter of days at most.

[Michel Leclerc]

Such "films” are part of predictive programming and as such part of propaganda. Propaganda compels to believe in lies, to aspire to evil and to admire ugliness.

Yes, partially, and sometimes they're honest considerations of an accumulation of decades of observations regarding the cultural condition of human beings, in this case particularity in America. I just said I didn't take it entirely seriously.

I did say what I do take seriously is a lifetime of visions which predates the "predicative programming" infiltrating our media. My visions came before I had ever seen such a film or read such a conspiracy theory in my life. I have a right to take them seriously whether they are funny, foolish, or nonsense to those ignorant souls around me.

I have met many people exactly like the country types depicted in this film. By the 100's. In fact there are millions of American men right now stock piling guns and preparing for civil war. They were doing it before the fancy War films about civil war in America were being released left and right. They have never trusted our government and yes, they are prepared.

With all due respect, I have lived amongst all types of people as an American and have observed much regarding the cultural state of things. Have you lived here?

Thank you Lilyofthestars. (Just to make sure we understand each other: I did not state that they are “in part” propaganda, I said or implied that they are entirely (part of) propaganda. I.e. the Evil Ugly Liars use films as propaganda tools.)

Films are not art because most of the time they use storylines. For thirty forty years we have been bombarded with the story meme. Those who know the corporate world and are not that young anymore will remember how suddenly there was this idea that company policies should be phrased as stories. The modern variant of it is "narrative”. Wars are won when a narrative has won (which is not true, but the meta propaganda that it IS true is the narrative that has won). As Bruce explained elsewhere on PA: in stories there is the hero who wins and the villain who loses. Or: there is somebody who wins/survives and that is the hero – and there is somebody who loses/dies and that is the villain. Paradoxical variants abound. (The story that it is not a story is a story.) But the story is NOT reality. In reality there are people who die and are heroes, cowards and “psychopaths” who win. Processes are not resolved in a victory and a defeat, victory and defeat are rather concurrent and never-ending.

Art, real art, as I said, is about reality. There are of course films that are real art. But the typical big-audience gigantic-budget films are just and only propaganda. Rather than learning from their "artsiness", we might learn from studying in which way they are propaganda – or predictive programming.

A big-budget film about "civil war” makes palatable to what extent the type of civil war the Ugly Evil Liars want to happen is effectively propagandised.

But.

Your, our own anticipations, visions, dreams, deep-rooted feelings etc. are NOT propaganda. They rather hone our, your capacity for discerning the propaganda aspect of big-budget “art”.

You write: “I have met many people exactly like the country types depicted in this film.” Is this not proof to the effectiveness of the propaganda? (That is also your point, of course.) When I was a kid in the 50s/60s movie theatres in Europe were bombarded with American Westerns. Cowboy/Indians. Replayed everywhere by kids. That was propaganda from A until Z. “We, the White, are heroes.” The shallowness of Americans nowadays (reality) shows how effective the propaganda was. Those films did not depict, they incited.

What I see in Europe (where I live) is endless and bottomless cowardice. The "collaborationist” mindset, if "collaboration” in its specific sense ("working with the Nazis”) is understandable. Cowardice is hardly better than readily mustered physical violence. This collaborationist attitude I recognise as the result of decennia of political propaganda – relived and justified and passed on by the world of the “selfish family”. In Europe there won’t be a civil war: there will be, or rather, there is, deeply rooted willingness to hurt one’s neighbour – when it is convenient.

[shaberon]

This is not terribly far off:



The only way to 'Take America Back" will be at the state level. The signs of a coming civil war will be the governors of more and more red states pushing back hard against the US federal government.


Ideas of war aside, the only way to do anything is state level. For example, due to the "Civil War", my state and several others were compelled to amend our Constitutions with a "will not secede" clause...in 1971.

The state already has a Constitution, it *is* a country, that's what "state" means". Each can choose to ratify or withdraw from whatever.

Exactly what "pushing back" at the federal government would be, I have no idea. The question is, why would I want to be party to "your" Constitution?

Part of the original, rushed answer, was because it was believed the British might counter attack again, which they did, largely because of The Bank.

My state can defeat the United Kingdom easily.

Therefor, like NATO, the unification is obsolete. Then the United States is in a "collective security agreement" with this country we supposedly gained independence from.




The US is more of a Corporation than a Country. "Diversity is our Strength" is a communist ideology.
The primary conflict (both in the world and in the US) is Globalism vs Nationalism.
China (where he lives and speaks fluent Chinese) isn't communist. It's far more nationalist or fascist. But there's more genuine freedom of speech in China regarding issues such as gender, race, color, and other topics that are verboten in the US. Strong family values in China are also very important (Regarding political discussion in China, however, David says one has to be careful.)


This is true in several ways.

The political "-isms" have no real existence outside of the sphere of their creation. You can't project "communism" onto a Chinese and ever get the truth out of him, because you are not really communicating with him. You don't understand him. So our definitions of political theories are almost useless; no need to get into whether something was "real Leninism" or whatever.

If there was, comparatively, a more meaningful "-ism", you might be able to place on one side:


Globalism --> Economics --> Capitalism, which does not claim to be a "true political theory", but is, rather, a hocus pocus of fiction invented in a newspaper editorial, from which, the class in question has voluntarily taken the name and applied it to themselves.

In this sense, China and Russia both say they are "not Capitalists".

Because they have rejected an English term that they have studied, this is more meaningful than whether a projected theory applies to them.



The U. S. is, of course, in that way "communistic" because of its broadscale systems.

At the same time, it maintains a core thread of Nationalism, for which we should be able to serry and rank them as "true or false".

A Nation is not a state or political system, it is a culture.

An American Nationalist hasn't really got a culture. He has switched the meaning of the word because he means "State". Chinese is a culture, which is part of why it is hard to understand.

It works very differently, as for example you never really own a house or anything else there. Most of the urban areas are owned by the State, and most of the rural areas are owned by a local collective. You couldn't for example own something like Trump Towers--you might be able to get a long lease for forty or sixty years.

Places like China and Japan are very Nationalistic in terms of being avid about their own culture. I am not sure "fascist" would necessarily fit, but, similar traits, that might be thought of as conservative, highly defensive, and so forth, might be appropriate.


That kind of Nationalism is "more true" and probably mankind's only defense against "One World Government".

American Nationalism is closer to the belief that the Constitution comes from God.

Those people are, however, "prepped". In the event of a crisis, "the American people" won't be able to do anything useful, but, my current estimate if the Nationalists near me were to become a "suppressed rebellion", it would take a force of probably around 100,000 to effectively contain them.

Because I know those people have corrupted a name, and, this lair is basically identical to the hive of Zionism, it is more accurate to call them Zionists. There may be a few exceptions, but it is usually the same.

There are, of course, many Zionists in the Internationalist group, but, there are more exceptions.

Is there a huge ideological clash before us, yes, this much seems inarguable.

We have something like an axle of fascism with a wheel of communism going around it.

[shaberon]

Genuine realistic question: what does civil war mean practically for you? Apart from a few thousand unorganized preppers here and there, a small number of extremists, a few thousands actual soldiers and people from the lowest social classes who are marginally socialized in each city, no one else is able to make war.


The Nationalists I am talking about *are* the ones who own the businesses, the farms, construction companies, they are the fire department and the teachers.

Nothing disorganized about it.

Fore example, I am in a cluster of probably more that fifty miles of Sheriff departments who refused to comply with some Covid mandates, such as masking. There is a big blob of these, and patches of them here and there. It is the same militia from the 1700s.



The "civil war" concept which comes from the early history of the USA is no longer applicable. It's more of a illusion of a time that is long gone. The battle now is all about mental, emotional, energetic manipulation. Physicality will only be needed in small altercations that will end in a matter of days at most.


The "civil war" concept took over twenty years to develop publicly; that is what schools were for.

I insist it is the same issue, whether to ratify "your" Constitution, or to attest the sovereignty of the State by having it choose its own alliances.

It was expected, and, indeed, hoped, the "small altercation" at Fort Sumter would solve the issue in a matter of days.

From what I can tell, we continue to suffer from the same problems that occupy all of recorded history. I don't quite understand how human times could be "gone" in the sense of irrelevant.

[palehorse]

Genuine realistic question: what does civil war mean practically for you? Apart from a few thousand unorganized preppers here and there, a small number of extremists, a few thousands actual soldiers and people from the lowest social classes who are marginally socialized in each city, no one else is able to make war.


The Nationalists I am talking about *are* the ones who own the businesses, the farms, construction companies, they are the fire department and the teachers.

Nothing disorganized about it.

Fore example, I am in a cluster of probably more that fifty miles of Sheriff departments who refused to comply with some Covid mandates, such as masking. There is a big blob of these, and patches of them here and there. It is the same militia from the 1700s.




Hi Shaberon, I absolutely agree with that, you put that fragment of truth very well.

But here are the odds, because the (evil ones) knows about it and they are trying as hard as possible to "buy & corrupt" as much as possible into their side. I was listening to an old discourse of the parasite Luiz Inacio Lula da Silve (current president of Brazil), where he was saying exactly that, and how their efforts were increased into buying and corrupting as much as possible into their sides, so at some point we will have a lot of double agents or wolves in sheep cloths hanging around and infiltrated, sabotage at all levels.

Not saying the Brazilian president will succeed in the end, but looking at current situation of Brazil and actually elsewhere to be frank, we can practically assume they are carrying on with their plans.

I am sure, at some point people can't take anymore and then all hell break lose, the militias will take care of their own peculiar area, and things will have to reorganize once again, but there is 1 important point to take into consideration, nowadays we have DEW and a lot of technology that can make a place go away in a matter of hours. (e.g. Rio Grande do Sul - Brazil, Acapulco - Mexico, Lahaina - Hawaii, etc)

[Bill Ryan]

This new report from Redacted left me a little shocked. (Clayton Morris, the host, was clearly shocked as well.) There's strong evidence here to suggest that the coming 'civil war' will (at least) be between unified, aligned, well-armed American city communities, and illegal immigrants — as in a war repelling an invasion. This report looks at Chicago as a 'ground zero' case study of what might happen VERY soon.

It's powerfully presented, and I'd suggest that every American reader here might take the 20 minutes to watch this... you might feel shocked too.

"THIS is where War in America will start... right here."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYSWTrgo974

[shaberon]

But here are the odds, because the (evil ones) knows about it and they are trying as hard as possible to "buy & corrupt" as much as possible into their side. I was listening to an old discourse of the parasite Luiz Inacio Lula da Silve (current president of Brazil), where he was saying exactly that, and how their efforts were increased into buying and corrupting as much as possible into their sides, so at some point we will have a lot of double agents or wolves in sheep cloths hanging around and infiltrated, sabotage at all levels.


That is roughly the "schism" that I think people are reacting to as potential "war" inside this country.

One rough approximation is the way that, instead of the federal Department of Education, when we gave out free/mandatory schooling, then, certain publishing companies moved their editorial agenda forward by nesting in all the states individually.

Although I do not agree with the church people, they are very resolute in slamming the door to fear and evil. So they say. In their particular way, they keep corruptive influences flushed. The status quo of South America is not as readily possible here. We might say it almost was, once, which led to the formation of Labor Unions. Industrialists of the 1800s had not many qualms about grinding a human being to bits. Since then, I would say the Science of Economics:


Moves the violence down the street so you don't see it.


Here, you're selling the Image, whereas the brand has its hands in some situation like African coltan, or, say, your school investing in Israeli military industries.

We also have the thing that is very popular with the Nationalists, the AR-15 rifle, which usually boasts a "Made in America" slogan everywhere around it. Presuming the factory here to be "typical", it is called a "Mexican sweatshop" that hires about sixty people. Once a year or so, ICE raids it, and they just stop production for a while and hire new staff.

I personally consider the Mexicans far more "native" than me.

In areas where Nationalists are fewer, you will get a different answer. Something like, yes, this tempest in a teapot could be stirred.

Did anyone ever say Chicago was a nice place? I come from Little Chicago and it wasn't nice. I was told to stay out of Baltimore. Places like that are very different, I am kind of surprised they have lasted this long without some horrendous slaughter. In simple terms, a lot of them are very racist, which is not something that can be verbally reasoned out too well. Doesn't have a good working solution.

I don't know how normal it is for most readers to walk around town and hear shootings, at any time, such as four in the morning, being automatic machine gun fire. For me, it was usually pretty far away, but you can't miss it. I would say the cities are constantly simmering like this on a small scale, almost everything being personal/petty crimes, which is why I would say the neighbors, or, "we the public" are extremely dangerous.

I traded that for the opportunity to be beside a secret military base, so, at least I know it's a shooting range. It is something like a School of Americas co-intel training about the disruption of "a South American country". Sometimes the helicopters rattle my teeth. It's hard to ignore the associated ideas.

[Antagenet]

War is never "civil" what a bizarre name, another inversion from the controllers. The collective murders as I see it will happen like this: criminal, unwanted degenerates along with foreign military operatives now invading USA will be so hated for the $ the US Gov is pouring into them that US Citizens will start a purge, which is just want the controllers want, a useful way to get rid of the world's degenerates. The chinese military plants will hide out and not participate. Then when enough Americans and invaders are disposed of, they. will come out and take control by wearing UN garb and promise order, while dispersing a genetic weapon that kills every race except their own, and oh yes, of course it won't kill jews either.

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this new post from Houman on his thread. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1635841&viewfull=1#post1635841) Jonathan Pollard, in this Jewish podcast, "doesn't believe for a moment that the United States can stay together", and argues that there are many signs that the US is being "prepared for the inevitability of a Civil War", that "the only thing holding the United States together is the marketplace", and that "there are thousands of illegal migrants that are bent on anarchy". There's a fairly strong anti-Islamic shade to the presentation, but it's hard to disagree with many of the opinions shared.



Jonathan Pollard: Civil War Soon To Break Out In America56kbbm6ssGA

[Denise/Dizi]

Let the traitors have their convention in Chicago, PLEASE have your convention in Chicago. I would love for nothing more than the Democrats arriving there, and having to deal with those that are being displaced, as we ALL are dealing with fall out of these policies, and the social injustices being imposed upon those American citizens whose homes and rights are being taken away from them, and being bestowed upon illegals.

People have a misconception that Americans aren't tolerant of immigration. Not true, our country became what it is as a direct result of such things. But it requires a process in which those coming here, follow the rules we all live by. These individuals are not going through this process, and are just being given anything they want, at the expense of the Americans being pushed out. If they're going to allow illegals to come in and not be accountable to the same things we are? it's going to be a free for all, and we are quickly getting there.

And the rules do not apply to them. These individuals have no desire to conform to the American way of life, but intend to bring their ways with them. The same ways they are hoping to escape.

The tides have to change and change quickly... And it will be a violent conflict. Not only will we be fighting for our land but we will also be fighting those traitors from within. It won't be pretty.

The military should be at our border at this point.. In full force, but the same traitors from within are making sure that doesn't happen... But it's time. Even our local police are suggesting people "conceal carry" privately at this point, they know what's going on... And that's no joke.

What we need to know, is who will have power over the military when the bullets start flying... Because that will determine the outcome.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Not civil war exactly; which implies two similar sides; but maybe one sided (de facto, engineered but denied) genocide of the native european-descended population, enabled at a federal level (like summer 2020 on steroids).

And many local tribal and gang wars.

Or all these, but in context of chaotic civilizational collapse and apocalypse.

And not just the US, but the entire West, maybe the world.

That's the Plan, of one major faction, at any rate.

[T Smith]

People have a misconception that Americans aren't tolerant of immigration.

That misconception is a fantastic and overwhelmingly impressive trick, really. In reality, America is synonymous with immigration. America and Immigration are virtually interchangeable words, such that the country could well be called the Immigration States of America. The fact is, there is no other country on earth whose population is more reflective of diverse immigration from all corners of the earth than the USA. All those peoples -- who legally immigrate -- jump into a great melting pot of the world to be Americans.... which means something other that transcends heritage.

The dilemma, as i see it, is the conflict between a new brand of identity politics emerging in the USA vs. traditional American cultural values (the ladder transcends identity, sex, race, sexual orientation, and individual identity, in favor of assimilating under a unifying umbrella of culture founded on inalienable rights granted to all by a power greater than any government authority. The former, in contrast, lobbies and seizes government, not only to categorize peoples by identity to curry societal status, but to advance identity designation at the expense of their neighbor's identity status, thus creating an anti-American governmental structure founded on division, resentment, and competing factions within the melting pot. Welcome to America circa 2024.

Simply put, there is a color revolution afoot right here in America, waged by the same intelligence agencies and social engineers that have caused havoc and overthrown duly elected governments around the world, which may well result in Civil War right here in America if We the People don't wake up to it and just so no.

[Denise/Dizi]

The dilemma, as i see it, is the conflict between a new brand of identity politics emerging in the USA vs. traditional American cultural values (the ladder transcends identity, sex, race, sexual orientation, and individual identity, in favor of assimilating under a unifying umbrella of culture founded on inalienable rights granted to all by a power greater than any government authority.

The former, in contrast, lobbies and seizes government, not only to categorize peoples by identity to curry societal status, but to advance identity designation at the expense of their neighbor's identity status, thus creating an anti-American governmental structure founded on division, resentment, and competing factions within the melting pot. Welcome to America circa 2024.

Simply put, there is a color revolution afoot right here in America, waged by the same intelligence agencies and social engineers that have caused havoc and overthrown duly elected governments around the world, with may well result in Civil War right here in America if We the People don't wake up to it and just so no.

I couldn't agree more..

[DNA]

Copying this new post from Houman on his thread. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1635841&viewfull=1#post1635841) Jonathan Pollard, in this Jewish podcast, "doesn't believe for a moment that the United States can stay together", and argues that there are many signs that the US is being "prepared for the inevitability of a Civil War", that "the only thing holding the United States together is the marketplace", and that "there are thousands of illegal migrants that are bent on anarchy". There's a fairly strong anti-Islamic shade to the presentation, but it's hard to disagree with many of the opinions shared.



Jonathan Pollard: Civil War Soon To Break Out In America56kbbm6ssGA

Indeed civil war is coming.
Probably in the aftermath of the coming election which will be stolen again by the
Democrats...
And although I sympathize with the plight of Muslims around the world for the viscous and sadistic acts of war, regime change and stolen statehood inflicted by the west...

The fact remains that there is a blood thirsty desire for revenge in this population and moving them into the homelands of the countries responsible for said atrocities is a recipe for disaster.

[palehorse]

There is one thing American people has on their side, you got a Sheriff on every county in the country, this guy is elected by the people of the county (as far as I know), they are unlikely to have strings attached to NWO or whatever, so it strengths the local community as a whole, how many times we heard local sheriffs not complying with federal orders? In other words they do their own thing, their own way mostly, I am not saying there isn't bad apples in the basket, sure there is.

When the hell break lose, I see many of these sheriffs taking matters with their own hands and with the "militia" they can form on every county, this is one beautiful way to put all these migrants to run over the border of Canada, Mexico, and to the sea, but as in every situation people only take action when things get real bad, so it remain to see, but I believe most of these migrants will be exterminated by angry American people. Godspeed.

Here on this video, Santenello speaks with a local Sheriff, he asked many questions about the migrants, he also interviewed people on gas stations, grocery stores.. it worth watch to get a feeling of people on the ground on this area in the border with Canada.

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[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this thread.

Back in December 2023, I found myself writing: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121538-Predictions-for-2024&p=1592755&viewfull=1#post1592755)
Trump will be able to run for the US presidency. There will be court cases right up to the last moment. Trump will be elected, but this will result in something close to civil war (but not a shooting war).
The transition from Biden to Trump seemed to go far more quietly and smoothly than I or anyone else had expected, and so I grew to believe that I was quite wrong about there being "something close to civil war".

But now I'm not so sure. It feels like the unrest in the US is growing (in Canada too), there are deep divisions in beliefs and attitudes (a few of which we've seen signs of here on the forum), and with the recent Tesla 'protests', targeted violence is on the rise.

Chris Martenson today devoted most of an hour and 20 minutes to this. It's instructive, and because it's quite hard-hitting in places, some of it is even a little hard to watch.

:flower:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdaUPICGXsg

[Ratszinger]

I get the impression more and more that what is coming to the world is the NEW WORLD ORDER and something a friend of mine said keeps ringing in my ears because this man is Jewish man in Chicago, he always votes Republican and among his fellow Jews he is the minority here of course but his take on Trump was rather surprising this time around for his second term compared to the first term. He was against Trump last time we spoke. I figured he'd be all for it as much as Trump appears to be "Helping'' the Israeli's but apparently not.
His take is that Trump is just one of them playing the public taking them for a ride for the Zionists which he is by the way. (His words) and he says Trump has one job to do while in this time and beside what he'll do for them he is also to bring the USA to it's knees to the NWO can be initiated. Harry says to the Zionists the USA as a tool has about used up it's purpose and is now or will very shortly be in the way of the NWO taking place. In order for the NWO to happen then the USA must fall and lose it's power and standing world wide. Now keep in mind Harry said this to me over a year ago now. I was amazed to discover how long it had been since that call but its date and time are in my phone. It sure looks like he knew something I don't know about you guys.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump: :flower:

[abmqa]

:bump: :flower:

You've read my mind mate. Things are not looking good at the moment and I can't see how it gets any better in the future. 😥

[SilentFeathers]

:bump: :flower:

You've read my mind mate. Things are not looking good at the moment and I can't see how it gets any better in the future. 😥

Yes, there's thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens in all these mostly democrat sanctuary cities (and other towns) all across this nation that I'm sure many of them will do what those in LA are doing right now. It's actually starting to happen in many cities now.

Many have nothing to lose and will fight ICE and other law enforcement to stay in this country. The fuse has been lit.

In my opinion these illegals have the numbers to quickly overwhelm law enforcement in every city to where sending in the national guard and military will be absolutely necessary.

I think LA is showing us right now pretty much what most cities across this nation may look like in the very near future (if this continues to escalate) which I think it will.

[Jaak]

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[SilentFeathers]

I know I won't win any popularity contests for saying this, but I am getting really tired of hearing Pam Bondi blow nothing but smoke in our facings....

Yes Pam, I will be personally keeping count of all the thugs injuring cops and looting in LA that you actually arrest. So far? Zero

https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1932248154402869495

[Jaak]

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[SilentFeathers]

Things are heating up in many cities around the country. It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed.

https://x.com/KatieDaviscourt/status/1932535549560271074

Live feed and scanner of several cities.
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[shaberon]

Predictable mess (https://english.almanar.com.lb/2429814):



President Trump defended his decision to deploy federal troops to Los Angeles, calling it a necessary response to what he described as a national security emergency.

Addressing US troops at a military base in North Carolina, Trump declared that “generations of American heroes didn’t shed their blood on distant shores only to see our country destroyed from within by lawlessness and third-world invasions.”

“What we’re witnessing in California is a full-scale assault on public order and national sovereignty, led by agitators waving foreign flags. We will liberate Los Angeles,” he continued.

Trump’s remarks followed his order to deploy 700 US Marines and 4,000 National Guard personnel to Los Angeles—a move critics have condemned as a politically motivated overreaction.



What a demagogue.

No, Americans fought on distant shores because they were duped into a Capitalists' War.

Germany was fought twice, and the United States gave Nazis the best jobs, in help to form the situation we have now. Fascism. Racist genocide. Whatever.

Nuking LA would not "destroy the country", and, I don't see how "national sovereignty" is at issue here.

State sovereignty is:



California has filed a lawsuit against the federal government, alleging Trump is using military force to carry out immigration enforcement in defiance of the state’s objections.

As tensions grow, protests have expanded to other major cities, including San Francisco, Dallas, and parts of Kentucky. With no sign of de-escalation, both political and legal battles continue to deepen—highlighting the fractured state of US federalism in an election year defined by immigration, national identity, and executive power.


But that is what the "Civil War" was about -- an over-reaching federal government. Rather than looting stores, if these people would simply remove the federal facilities, it might work better.

It was an abuse of power. The president needs to be impeached.

The main reason the British were overthrown was restrictive immigration policies.

That is the cause of American independence, and he wants to joke around with things like Operation Paperclip and dropping nuclear bombs on Japan. Probably thinks carpet-bombing Korea is golf. It's just a bunch of jingoism, empty slogans, like the ones that got guys to fight Germany in the first place.

[jaybee]

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bottom line....

If the likes of Gavin Newsom + Karen Bass + other prominent State Officials are colluding political infiltrators that have been put into position by the scheming ( largely UK, EU based?) Globalist Elite - (which they are - IMO)

Trump has no choice but to step in and try to save America from calamity - I think he's done the right thing to move in now rather than leave it until it gets even worse - as POTUS it is his duty to enforce law and order, if State Officials won't... he can't just sit back and pray for a miracle....

The International Deep State fully intend to collapse America - that much is clear to me.... and I don't even live there !!

We have our own problems with deceitful, treacherous politicians and officials in Britain - they are burrowed in deep - :-(

[jaybee]

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GOOD LUCK for today America... (fingers crossed....)

and HAPPY BIRTHDAY President D J Trump....


Cities brace for large crowds at anti-Trump ‘No Kings’ demonstrations across the US (https://apnews.com/article/no-kings-protest-trump-philadelphia-los-angeles-immigration-raids-a3b67d23733cd060f8d01aef1e391dbf)

What to know about protests to Trump's June 14 parade (https://www.axios.com/2025/06/07/no-kings-protest-trump-military-parade-june-14)


"I don't feel like a king," Trump said when asked about the protests during a news conference on Thursday. "I have to go through hell to get stuff approved."

"We're not a king," he added. "We're not a king at all."

Today (IMO) propagandised Useful Idiots will be aiding and abetting the downfall of their own country - financed and organised by a mixture of Globalist backed protest groups.....

The joke (inversion) about the 'No Kings' nonsense... is that there are probably a few Kings and other European Royalty intertwined with the Mega Rich Elite who are concentrated on destroying the West as we know it and exercising a sneaky mass depopulation agenda.... in preparation for THEIR One World Government and Central Bankers Digital Currency -

I've said this before but I feel this is another phase of the American War of Independence - when British and European Elites try to take back the land that was lost to them back in the 18th and 19th century.... there's a modern twist to it all, of course, but the latest moves against Trump are part of THEIR plan... and today they are sending out their civilian proxy army....on a major offensive...

good luck America :heart:...

[norman]

According to Omega4America (on Rumble), the financial ecosystem behind the rioting/protests in LA is closer to home than simply to say it's all coming from China.

Because of the way Rumble videos prevent me from posting anything else below them, I'm posting the second video I want you to see before the first video I want you to see. I hope that's not too confusing.


WATCH THIS VIDEO SECOND

EXPOSED: Britain's CHINA BLAME GAME, How the Empire Uses CHINA FEAR to Cover Their Attack on Trump

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WATCH THIS VIDEO FIRST

An Entire NGO Ecosystem is Funding the LA Riots

https://rumble.com/v6unl5d-an-entire-ngo-ecosystem-is-funding-the-la-riots.html?e9s=src_v1_upp

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[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1933947776968126746

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Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker

All of these "NGOs" that financially support the No Kings rallies need to have their non-profit status yanked for partisan activities.

That would include:

• American National Red Cross
• New Venture Fund
• Planned Parenthood
• ACLU
• Communications Workers of America
• Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
• Tides Center
• AFT (American Federation of Teachers)
• Sierra Club
• NEO Philanthropy
• National Women's Law Center
• Indivisible (Civics + Project)
• People's Action Institute
• Public Citizen (Foundation + Inc)
• Reproductive Freedom for All
• Sunrise Movement
• Working Families Organization

H/T for the data
@DataRepublican



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https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1933925245943185429

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DC_Draino
@DC_Draino

Neville Singham is a proud socialist who made almost $1 billion in America then fled to China

Now he’s married to the Code Pink activist leader Jodie Evans and they fund LA riot groups while living in communist Shanghai

Unfortunately for Neville, he’s getting called in to testify under oath about his funding of violent riots in America

Can’t hide anymore!

[SilentFeathers]

I've been watching these large protests most of the day and I'm just astonished at how much it really appears like large groups of mentally broken and completely deranged people.

Of course there's plenty of basically normal like folks, but the majority I am seeing are completely deranged and ridiculous. It's like watching some kind of science fiction or horror movie.

[Raskolnikov]

I've been watching these large protests most of the day and I'm just astonished at how much it really appears like large groups of mentally broken and completely deranged people.

Of course there's plenty of basically normal like folks, but the majority I am seeing are completely deranged and ridiculous. It's like watching some kind of science fiction or horror movie.

And it looks like CNN is sending in the reinforcements. Both funny and sad.

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[SilentFeathers]

I've been watching these large protests most of the day and I'm just astonished at how much it really appears like large groups of mentally broken and completely deranged people.

Of course there's plenty of basically normal like folks, but the majority I am seeing are completely deranged and ridiculous. It's like watching some kind of science fiction or horror movie.

And it looks like CNN is sending in the reinforcements. Both funny and sad.

Thkgr3tTyoOc

They are probably just happy to get out and doing something. They could probably care a less what the hell "no kings" even means! LOL

Speaking of no kings, that's about the dumbest name they could of thought up for these protests. Sounds like a second grader thought it up for them.

[Raskolnikov]

Anyone else out there sense the irony that the country is filled with "peaceful protests" and on the verge of total chaos while Washington throws a parade? Makes me think of Nero...

[Bill Ryan]

:bump: :flower:

[wondering]

This may be seen as naive. I scan the headlines on MSM every day, but I don't ever watch news on TV. Ever. So I am aware of the great division in views and attitudes that exist in our country, and of course, in every country. That's also clear from what I read on PA, and I want to be informed. But as I read what people are saying about Charlie Kirk's death, about whom they hope is next, about what a great outcome this is,I am absolutely horrified. So when I think about Civil War in this country, I don't know how it can possibly be avoided as long as we are in these black/white, love/hate, right/wrong ways of being. I just simply had no idea the extent of the viciousness and the closemindedness that exists in who knows what percentage of the population. Many of us, when feelings of judgment come up, as they do for all of us as human beings, will make a choice on whether we want to run with that train of thought or whether they want to balance it according to a moral position.. It doesn't seem to me that many people even know there is any alternative other than the utter truth as they see it, regardless of how hate filled and destructive. It is so overwhelming and discouraging to me.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's Tucker Carlson, posted by mountain_jim (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115734-Tucker-Carlson&p=1688132&viewfull=1#post1688132) a few minutes ago:

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115734-Tucker-Carlson&p=1688132&viewfull=1#post1688132)~~~

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1976082862878367967

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The U.S. could be on the verge of civil war. We break down the chaos in Portland and Chicago.

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) October 9, 2025


Edit to add:

I've not yet finished listening to this, but it's argued by Tucker in detail, and is as strong and thought-provoking as one might expect.

However, one thing that Tucker advocates early in his presentation that I feel I have to disagree with is his suggestion that the one major potential factor that might possibly work to unify a politically divided country is a shared deep faith in God.

In the US, I have to say that this is faith-based wishful thinking (no matter how sincere!) — and is just not going to happen.

:flower:

Edit to add again:

One of the many principles that divide the nation is whether or not there should be Federal intervention in state affairs when there is (or is claimed to be) dangerous disorder on the streets.

Tucker is strongly advocating and arguing for this. Meanwhile, Judge Andrew Napolitano, and the many analysts whom he interviews regularly, disagree equally strongly.

Yet both would explain that they represent the 'right', referring to a simplistic distinction that no longer has any meaningful relevance. See this thread:


The "Right-Left" dichotomy: false, simplistic, & manipulative. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111305-The-Right-Left-dichotomy-false-simplistic-manipulative.)

[sdv]

I get the impression more and more that what is coming to the world is the NEW WORLD ORDER and something a friend of mine said keeps ringing in my ears because this man is Jewish man in Chicago, he always votes Republican and among his fellow Jews he is the minority here of course but his take on Trump was rather surprising this time around for his second term compared to the first term. He was against Trump last time we spoke. I figured he'd be all for it as much as Trump appears to be "Helping'' the Israeli's but apparently not.
His take is that Trump is just one of them playing the public taking them for a ride for the Zionists which he is by the way. (His words) and he says Trump has one job to do while in this time and beside what he'll do for them he is also to bring the USA to it's knees to the NWO can be initiated. Harry says to the Zionists the USA as a tool has about used up it's purpose and is now or will very shortly be in the way of the NWO taking place. In order for the NWO to happen then the USA must fall and lose it's power and standing world wide. Now keep in mind Harry said this to me over a year ago now. I was amazed to discover how long it had been since that call but its date and time are in my phone. It sure looks like he knew something I don't know about you guys.

This may sound a bit woo hoo, and unfortunately the source is behind an expensive paywall ...

What struck me about this post is the opinion that Trump has been put in place to 'destroy' the USA and bring in something new. Basically, the FFG (Future Forecasting Group ... remote viewers) said that Trump has been put in place to oversee the bankruptcy of the USA. Trump is a grandiose narcissist with an over-inflated opinion of himself and a shallow understanding of global affairs, who switches between self praise and bullying, with a coherent remark or coherent action sometimes emerging from this reality show. His self promotional and delusional boasting in order to get the Nobel Peace Prize is making him a laughing stock across the world, BUT he is the only person who can stop the Gaza war (an impossible and complex task) ... that opinion comes from Hamas themselves. And, Trump is pushing forward on the initial phase of his messy peace plan (any peace plan is going to be messy) despite fierce resistance from Israel.

But, to get back to FFG ... Trump has been put in place to oversee the bankruptcy of the USA. I don't think the 'deep state' can control him because he is driven by his ego and narcissistic needs of the moment, so I am increasingly less afraid of this deep state and its agenda.

[Nasu]

So Tucker makes some good observations, but like the rest of us, he sees the problem through his own biases and world view.

Is the civilization or urban parts of America crumbling, of course, it's hard to argue against this truism. Is it a race war in the making, no I don't see it, it's ideological at its core, not race or creed based. I could imagine pockets of people grouping together, Christian's or Moslem's for example, or whites or blacks, but not on a nationwide scale. Some whites hate the right leaning blacks and vise versa.

Hoping to unite under god is a lovely idea but historically unproven. Take Christianity, for example, it has approximately 45,000 different sects or divisions or denominations. Or twenty two splits per year for the past 2025 years. What do they have in common? The simple answer is Jesus, but the more accurate answer is that 44,499 of them have got it wrong and only our group has the correct path to Jesus and God.

That's just Christianity, good luck conjoining all the other desperate religions together. Omnism is a potential path but an unlikely one to be honest.

So that brings us back to the idea of a split or civil war.

As I've said before, In my humble opinion, if there is ever a split it will fall across ideological lines, not color or creed. Those that view borders as a good thing and those who don't, those who believe diversity is a strength and those that think it a weakness, those who want to live by their own creed and those who think that all creeds have a place at the table, those who believe in personal or state sovereignty and those who believe in the strength and unity of a federalized system, those who want tolerance of opinions and those who don't.

How those lines actually play out only time will tell. My hope is that some way somehow, unity can be reestablished through an acceptance of difference and mutual respect. The founding premise of America after all. Now we'll see......x...... N

[Bill Ryan]

Hey folks,

As some of you know, I’m a former Military analyst who used data sets to make predictions and decision models for military command groups. I follow a number of data streams including some which many folks would term “fringe” or paranormal.

Lately a number of folks that I follow have been predicting possible civil war in the US in 2026. When you combine up the numbers, I was surprised to see the the probability reach a 60% chance of a major disturbance next year.

This number is the highest I’ve seen so far, and I’ve been following this for some time. One reason the probability has gotten higher is: the left is now quietly arming to “oppose” the Trump/MAGA wing of the political spectrum. Since the right has already armed, and is quite open about it, the left is going back to their Vietnam era roots and “upgunning” as well despite their supposed hatred of “gun violence” in the US and opposition to the 2nd Amendment.

Possible trigger points:

1) Fallout from 3IAtlas. The folks I follow are convinced (90%) this interstellar object is a robotic platform that is doing a observational flyby of the solar system and could release probes from the back side of the Sun (where it is currently located) in the next few weeks. The info could be explosive, if released.

2) Chaos surrounding the mid-term election in 2026.

3) Increasing Conflict from National Guard in “Blue Cities” including a “Muslim Communist” winning election in New York in a few weeks.

4) combination of all three.

Appreciate any feedback.Dumpster Diver (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?28872-Dumpster-Diver) posted this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129933-3I-Atlas-Interstellar-Object-enters-Solar-System&p=1689539&viewfull=1#post1689539) on the 3I/Atlas thread. I was interested in replying, but (a) I felt this was the better thread to offer my thoughts, and (b) I've been staying fairly quiet on the 3I/Atlas thread itself. (see below)

Lately a number of folks that I follow have been predicting possible civil war in the US in 2026. When you combine up the numbers, I was surprised to see the the probability reach a 60% chance of a major disturbance next year.

Yes, depending on the definition of 'civil war'. It's practically happening already.
1) Fallout from 3IAtlas. The folks I follow are convinced (90%) this interstellar object is a robotic platform that is doing a observational flyby of the solar system and could release probes from the back side of the Sun (where it is currently located) in the next few weeks. The info could be explosive, if released.

3I/Atlas seems to be weird, for sure. But the conjectures about the Earth being in some kind of potential danger, assuming it's intelligently controlled in some way, seem to me to be not very well thought out, or (at best) based on incomplete information.

We know already that the Earth is under some kind of intelligent observation — at least! — from non-humans, and whoever they might be it's clear they can come and go anywhere they like on the planet, including at very close quarters, any time they like. And they do this literally every day, with thousands of reports annually and maybe 10x-50x as many sightings or close encounters that are never reported at all.

So my provisional stance on all this is that all the guesses about 3I/Atlas that one can see all over the net are made by people who however well-meaning they may be don't seem to know much about the very long and detailed history of UFO and ET contact
2) Chaos surrounding the mid-term election in 2026.

Yes, there really could be. I've written before that I have the increasing sense that something will happen to Trump before the end of his term, and possibly next year.

That 'something' isn't an assassination or an accident, but it could be a health issue, a scandal (a real one), or even an impeachment or the beginnings of the proceedings. (This isn't really a 'prediction', but I'm finding that for whatever reasons, the thought is lingering with me and will NOT go away. :))
3) Increasing Conflict from National Guard in “Blue Cities” including a “Muslim Communist” winning election in New York in a few weeks.

Yes again. It's all too likely that there could be some kind of major incident, comparable to the Kent State shootings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings) back in 1970. That was when 4 students, protesting peacefully about the Vietnam war, were shot dead by the Ohio National Guard. 9 others were wounded. It was a major major incident at the time.
4) Combination of all three.

And yes once more. :flower:

[shaberon]

As I've said before, In my humble opinion, if there is ever a split it will fall across ideological lines, not color or creed.


Partly this but probably also class-ism.

The first "revolt" by "Americans" was in the Jamestown colony when it was only a few years old; it was an uprising of "the oppressed", that is, poor white people were as agitated as blacks, so they were together on the issue.

When we look at ongoing solidarity marches in Lebanon, Yemen, etc., you see a great mass enfolded into essentially one voice, and, this is exactly the kind of thing that we do not have around here. There's no ideology or "political message", etc., that can taxi off the runway, just a sort of materialistic misery after so many decades of Fascism.

In all likelihood, the defrayed, exhausted populace is un-organizable beyond the level of "riots" or "insurrection", probably to be answered with a heavy hand.

I don't think the federal entity stands any chance of extended survival, but that's not really due to force used against it.

[rgray222]

If Trump can stay in office all four years, he may be able to destroy enough of the infrastructure that Biden and his team of progressives who called the shots from 20221- 2025 put in place. Only time will tell. This 7-minute video by Victor David Hanson gives you a good idea of what Trump is up against, and it also explains why Trump is so reviled and hated by those who support a globalist agenda.

Victor David Hanson - What Would It Take to Destroy the Country (7 minutes)

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