Some thoughts from a newbie

[1159]

Regarding the long threads discussing Charles. My guess is that despite many people talking, very few have actually been heard. AS a new member myself since the video release, I feel somewhat lost, a bit like being in a reporter pack, swept along and chasing a new big story.

I'm not sure such a frenzy of activity helps to disseminate useful information or promote enlightenment. It does demonstrate that as a race we are still in the ego state. What happens here is very familiar and we can see it duplicated thousands of times every day in board meetings, top level think tanks and political decision making.

IF we are people who like to consider ourselves 'awake and aware', still respond from the ego, can we really consider ourselves contenders for good custodians of the human spirit? If we were to suddenly change places with the 33Group, I wonder how well we would do?

What has really been discovered here is that our concept of leadership needs to be redifined and eleveated to a higher state of awareness and process. If we continue to create outcomes with words and bombs and insults, we will continue to birth wars and pain and subjugation. Just as history shows us, such a way is primitive and destructive.

Like most mysteries, the answer is hidden in plain sight. The intellect is conected to the ego which is intrinsicaly selfish and fragmented. The heart is connected to spirit that is coherent and directive. If we as a group of people would coalesce our thoughts in a coherent way, the energy released would reveal all the answers we need. Silently we would walk as gentle giants in our crumbling world.

This is the source of greatest power and yet it produces the least amoung of noise. Is Avalon the home of these ideas?

I am a newbie to Avalon, but I am not a newbie. Like many here, I am an ancient soul seeking family and higher solutions to old problems. I am hopeful that I have a home here, but I am looking for some familiar landmarks...

[Teakai]

Nice post 1159 and I agree - only I think we might reconsider our view of what primitive means. Perhaps in the evolutionary scale of things we have devolved rather than evolved and as such we have become that violent, primitive being that mainstream history misleads us with.

[Ross]

Hi 1159,

Enjoyed your post, Thanks

I tend to describe its as " more aware and awake" than once was, but "aware and awake" in the full sense, is a completely different story. We have glimplses of this, but very fleeting for most.

We are all getting better at the art of discerning, understanding little by little, some more of the picture, "inch by inch its a sinch"

Slow is fast, simple is genius.

[Wood]

I think we are not destructive, we do not attack. I think we are not feeding chaos to the world to control it from above. We defend, protect and create. I think we should not aspire to be leaders but to show the path we have already walked and to learn from other paths. We should never fall into the paradigm of hierarchies and elitism. Those are the ways of the other side. We (some of us) are just individuals fighting for their own freedoms and wanting to offer a fair chance to other people so they can first learn about their sorry state (from our point of view) and then freely decide what path they want to walk. There is nothing inherently wrong about being an slave by personal informed choice.

[Celine]

Leaders learn...

It seems to me..Hierarchies are a natural thing to an extent... but not the hierarchies that we have been told to swallow for so long

[Lord Sidious]

Regarding the long threads discussing Charles. My guess is that despite many people talking, very few have actually been heard. AS a new member myself since the video release, I feel somewhat lost, a bit like being in a reporter pack, swept along and chasing a new big story.

I'm not sure such a frenzy of activity helps to disseminate useful information or promote enlightenment. It does demonstrate that as a race we are still in the ego state. What happens here is very familiar and we can see it duplicated thousands of times every day in board meetings, top level think tanks and political decision making.

IF we are people who like to consider ourselves 'awake and aware', still respond from the ego, can we really consider ourselves contenders for good custodians of the human spirit? If we were to suddenly change places with the 33Group, I wonder how well we would do?

What has really been discovered here is that our concept of leadership needs to be redifined and eleveated to a higher state of awareness and process. If we continue to create outcomes with words and bombs and insults, we will continue to birth wars and pain and subjugation. Just as history shows us, such a way is primitive and destructive.

Like most mysteries, the answer is hidden in plain sight. The intellect is conected to the ego which is intrinsicaly selfish and fragmented. The heart is connected to spirit that is coherent and directive. If we as a group of people would coalesce our thoughts in a coherent way, the energy released would reveal all the answers we need. Silently we would walk as gentle giants in our crumbling world.

This is the source of greatest power and yet it produces the least amoung of noise. Is Avalon the home of these ideas?

I am a newbie to Avalon, but I am not a newbie. Like many here, I am an ancient soul seeking family and higher solutions to old problems. I am hopeful that I have a home here, but I am looking for some familiar landmarks...

I am only a custodian of my own spirit, nothing more, nothing less.
Unless people interfere with me, I am content to allow them to do what they like.
If they do interfere with me, that is another question.

[Teakai]

In regard to leaders:
I don't see myself as a leader - even a little.
I see myself as just one of many who happened to have stumbled onto a big fat, mind altering secret, and is bit by bit unearthing all sorts of interesting, things - some valuable - some, not so much.

I try to give those about me a nudge, hoping they, too will get interested enough to look for themselves - and do whatever it is they need to do.
But I'm definitely not a leader and I don't want to be a leader one little bit.
We all have a responsibility to be our own leaders.

[elysian]

thank you 1159! That was really well written! I totally agree with you and I also hope you will have a home here.

[1159]

Thanks for your comments and warm welcome. I feel that being imersed in life leaves us contaminated with many undesirable influences. especially from politics and the media. However, if we are truth seekers, then when asked what we know or believe, we must respond with what we know is true. Knowing the truth carries a burden of responsibility. What matters is how we deliver the truth, it can be a knife as well as a balm. Sometimes it must be delivered in both ways, but even a knife can be used with compassion.

Is it not the case that if we live by our truth it may set us apart from others, especially in the darkness of lies around us? And if we stand by our truth when others are being swayed and seduced, does that not make us a reluctant leader? Not by choice or self appointment, but by the fact that when we live by the values that we hold to, people notice and are attracted to our stability. It seems impossible that a light should shine without showing others the way.

[Celine]

In regard to leaders:
I don't see myself as a leader - even a little.
I see myself as just one of many who happened to have stumbled onto a big fat, mind altering secret, and is bit by bit unearthing all sorts of interesting, things - some valuable - some, not so much.

I try to give those about me a nudge, hoping they, too will get interested enough to look for themselves - and do whatever it is they need to do.
But I'm definitely not a leader and I don't want to be a leader one little bit.
We all have a responsibility to be our own leaders.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here...or am i missing something..

[Wood]

You seem to be contradicting yourself here...or am i missing something..

I think it is not the same to be a leader and to show others the path we are following, hoping that they can learn to take care of themselves knowing the choices.

[Celine]

it might be semantics... but i dissagree..

Responsibility to be a leader to ourselves, is being a leader.

[Banshee]

1159,

That has to be one of the best posts I have read since joining this community. Personally, I am now joining your thought process. Thank you for the clarity. This was so incredibly succinct and well written.

With Appreciation,
Banshee

[Elandiel BernElve]

hey there:)

and welcome on board.

You will find that there are many kind of truthseekers here not to mention the individual uniqueness of each.
You'll find your way around Avalon soon enough and once settled it's easy to filter whose messages you feel resonate truth ..and whose don't
It's different for every person I guess, as are the lifepaths of fellow avalonians.

At first it can be quite overwhelming because there is so much information and so much people seem to know about you probably or maybe don't know yet.
At least I can tell you the following, don't be deceived by the number of posts or thanks someone has. The more thanks and posts one has doesn't necesserely means one is more right or closer to the truth. There are threads of 30+ pages of which maybe 3 pages can be filled with any useful content.

No matter how much people tend to believe it or think they've mastered it, the ego is too much of a part of this world and simply can't be completely eliminated when constantly being bombarded by other ego's.
So yeah, the forum is filled with them.

A few points I'd like to add personally.

Patience...
Be patient, when you hear or read something you think is the breaking stuff, check it out first because most probably it has been posted already.
Be patient, you can't know everything the second it comes out. Take your time to check on the older stuff to get informed about the newer stuff.
The world isn't going to change in one day, you'll have plenty of time to catch up on the more interesting topics.
Be patient, it's not a race for the most posts and you won't get a prize for starting the most threads. There's a lot of nonsense or half stories being posted.
It saturates the forum and drifts Avalon from quality to quantity.
It's the reason I prefer for posting not too often.

Enjoy, and sweet dreams here ;)

[Peace of Mind]

We/humans are slowly coming out of the fog, I say slowly because it is the ego controlling the velocity. We have been conditioned to think rationally, but by using inaccurate logic we become incomprehensible. Our understanding (or should I say lack) of this reality is a mystery to most of the masses, probably purposely done that way. We stay confused, yet vigilant on our quest for the truth because we can’t deny that curious feeling. We are the truth, so its understandable that we want to be in the company of it/truth...no matter if its pleasant or not.

We are suppose to be here to learn, learn from others/self, learn from mistakes, and learn to cooperate to create what we collectively deem as being great. Unfortunately, greed has always interfered with uplifting the people. Low self esteem dwells in the subconscious because society was designed to have you compete with each other in every way. We have been taught not to aid others unless theres a fee. Most of us have been desensitized successfully, so much so that we even joke to suppress the hurt we really feel. Conflict may have its benefits thou…such as perspective, and recognizing the affects of pain and joy. But, harm to some one else is also harm to yourself, one way or another....

Everyone is here for reasons that might not yet be immediately clear to self, or others. However, if we allow ourselves to look down on others because these others lack resources, knowledge, or are just simply plain different from what you have been conditioned to…we lose ourselves on the path, plus take on a heavier burden due to the lack of respect. This creates misery and hatred…ultimately, an intolerable arrogant behavior…that in most cases, we are just simply unaware of it.

Some will argue that this is normal…I digress, and smile in their faces until they can’t help but to smile back….proving that we aren’t that much different…we just need to reconnect and learn to enjoy each others company, again.

Peace

[Teakai]

You seem to be contradicting yourself here...or am i missing something..

Hi Celine - show what you feel is contradictory and I'll explain what I mean by it.

Edit to add:

I went back and had a re-read of my post and I think I see what you're seeing as a contradiction, so I'll try and tighten up my meaning.

I don't see myself as a leader, nor do I want to be a leader to anybody else.
I really like Zook’s signature- “I have neither knowledge nor wisdom enough to be your messiah, and barely enough to be mine.”

Though really - I know that we do all have that knowledge and wisdom- it's just a matter of attaining a state of being which allows us to access it.

In regard to being responsible for being our own leaders I meant that we alone have to find our truth.
No one else can find us for us. No one can lead the way, though some may provide paths.

[ScubaMonkey]

If we were to suddenly change places with the 33Group, I wonder how well we would do?

I've often wondered this and can honestly say that I've wondered if would I be so different. If I were on the "inside" and knew that I was going to be OK, as were my loved ones, I reckon I'd have a much different opinion than I do now. I'd imagine many people would have to entertain the possibility that they could think that way too.

Its like people who say, "If I became rich it wouldn't change me." Hell, odds are it would change me alright!

I like to bitch about the powers that be as I have my own ideas for how we could solve the problems and my own picture of what humanity can be. If I were put in power tomorrow though and told to get to work... I would not have any clue as how to implement my plans and do what I feel is best for humanity and the planet while maintaining absolute freedom and choice of the individual.

This may not be an 'enlightened' comment, but I bet it resonates with others out there, albeit probably not that many on this forum.

:)

[Teakai]

We/humans are slowly coming out of the fog, I say slowly because it is the ego controlling the velocity. We have been conditioned to think rationally, but by using inaccurate logic we become incomprehensible. Our understanding (or should I say lack) of this reality is a mystery to most of the masses, probably purposely done that way. We stay confused, yet vigilant on our quest for the truth because we can’t deny that curious feeling. We are the truth, so its understandable that we want to be in the company of it/truth...no matter if its pleasant or not.

We are suppose to be here to learn, learn from others/self, learn from mistakes, and learn to cooperate to create what we collectively deem as being great. Unfortunately, greed has always interfered with uplifting the people. Low self esteem dwells in the subconscious because society was designed to have you compete with each other in every way. We have been taught not to aid others unless theres a fee. Most of us have been desensitized successfully, so much so that we even joke to suppress the hurt we really feel. Conflict may have its benefits thou…such as perspective, and recognizing the affects of pain and joy. But, harm to some one else is also harm to yourself, one way or another....

Everyone is here for reasons that might not yet be immediately clear to self, or others. However, if we allow ourselves to look down on others because these others lack resources, knowledge, or are just simply plain different from what you have been conditioned to…we lose ourselves on the path, plus take on a heavier burden due to the lack of respect. This creates misery and hatred…ultimately, an intolerable arrogant behavior…that in most cases, we are just simply unaware of it.

Some will argue that this is normal…I digress, and smile in their faces until they can’t help but to smile back….proving that we aren’t that much different…we just need to reconnect and learn to enjoy each others company, again.

Peace

I do so very much agree with this, Peace of Mind.