Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Exposes The Dark Side Of Politics In 5 Incredible Minutes

[Bubu]

"Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) exposed some of the biggest flaws and loopholes in campaign finance laws this week ― and she did it in just five minutes.

During a hearing, the freshman lawmaker created a game in which she pretended to be “a really, really bad guy” who wants to abuse the system as much as possible. Then, in a series of questions, she exposed the world of payoffs, dark money, PACs and more. She even revealed how it was perfectly legal for a lawmaker to invest in an industry, then write laws to benefit that industry and increase the value of the investment.

And as lax as the laws are for members of Congress, there are even fewer restrictions for a president. "

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-campaign-finance_us_5c5d246be4b03afe8d6637ff

[TargeT]

This woman is insane... how did she get elected?
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[ramus]

HERE IS A TAKE ON THIS

https://earther.gizmodo.com/aoc-just-dropped-her-green-new-deal-proposal-heres-what-1832427261
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> > AOC Just Dropped Her Green New Deal Proposal—Here's What's Inside
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> > Environmental Justice
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> > AOC Just Dropped Her Green New Deal Proposal—Here's What's Inside
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> > Yesterday 11:27amFiled to: Gimme the Green Light
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The first draft of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s hotly-anticipated Green New Deal proposal has finally arrived—and it’s demanding rapid action to confront the threat of climate change.
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> > Rep. Ocasio-Cortez (D-New York) and Senator Ed Markey (D-Massachusetts) are introducing a resolution Thursday that’s a first step toward making the idea of a Green New Deal reality, reports NPR. The Green New Deal aims to rapidly transition the U.S. economy off fossil fuels and over to green, clean-energy sources through a massive jobs program that will keep equity and justice in mind.
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> > It’s not a new idea, but Ocasio-Cortez and youth climate activist groups like the Sunrise Movement have thrown it into the national spotlight over the past few months. Presidential hopefuls have been listening, too. Now, the Congresswoman’s time to show off its details has arrived.
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> > The proposal, which NPR obtained, doesn’t shy away from outlining some of the extreme potential consequences of climate change if the planet warms 2 degrees Celsius or more beyond preindustrial levels, including $1 trillion in public infrastructure and coastal real estate damage, a loss of 99 percent of the world’s coral reefs, and mass global migration. It also highlights how U.S. workers suffer from massive inequality, a lack of jobs, and ****ty wages.
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> > The deal proposes tackling all these issues at once by transitioning to 100 percent renewable energy in 10 years with the goal of helping the U.S. achieve net-zero emissions. While the proposal doesn’t call for an outright ban on fossil fuels, something it’s already being criticized for, its renewables goal—along with its call to stop the transfer of pollution overseas—“will make new fossil fuel infrastructure or industries obsolete,” said Stephen O’Hanlon, the spokesperson for the Sunrise Movement, told Earther.
> > Young environmental activists occupy the office of Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Maryland) the incoming majority leader, as they try to pressure Democratic support for a Green New Deal back in December 2018.

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> > “We’re clear: We need a full transition off fossil fuels,” O’Hanlon said. “Not only do they cause climate change, but they burden communities around the world, especially working class communities and communities of color with deadly pollution.”
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> > This resolution spotlights frontline and vulnerable communities, including “indigenous communities, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth.” The resolution literally lists all these groups, and it calls for radical change that won’t leave them behind.
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> > In fact, vulnerable groups should be partners in how this plan translates locally. Sure, the Green New Deal calls for clean water, clean air, access to nature, and infrastructure updates, but it also calls for improved access to higher education, universal healthcare, and affordable housing—social benefits the public doesn’t always associate with the environment.
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> > The proposal doesn’t ignore the transportation and agriculture sectors that also emit greenhouse gases, either. And while it calls for further investment in clean energy technology, it doesn’t appear interested in carbon capture technology. Instead, it focuses on natural means of carbon draw-down using soil and forests. This is bound to draw some criticism; many experts believe meeting the Paris goals is likely impossible without this tech.
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> > Moreover, the resolution doesn’t include any provisions on how this will all happen. How much energy production should come from solar versus wind? By when? How will this all be paid for? Could a carbon tax help?
> > Recent Video from Gizmodo
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> > Ocasio-Cortez addresses some of these questions in a blog post shared Tuesday. On the topic of market-based solutions, she wrote:
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> > We cannot simply tax gas and expect workers to figure out another way to get to work unless we’ve first created a better, more affordable option. Similarly, cap and trade programs assume that existing or new markets can solve this problem for us on their own, and that’s simply not true. The door is not closed for market-based incentives or a diverse array of policy levers to play a role in the Green New Deal, but it would be a small role in the face of the gigantic expansion of our productive economy and would have to be preceded by first creating the solutions in which workers and working class communities are not negatively affected.
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> > This represents a stark shift away from more traditional climate policy proposals, but the Green New Deal is supposed to revolutionize and disrupt the way things already work. So, that’s not surprising.
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> > It’s important to remember this is still only a resolution. Ocasio-Cortez and Markey are set to introduce bills that’ll fill in the gaps of this skeleton proposal, per NPR. Until then, the Green New Deal is looking like an ambitious wish list rather than a concrete policy solution.
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> > HERE IS THE INTERPRETATION OF RADICAL LEFT'S PROPOSALS BY THE RADICAL RIGHT.
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> > Green New Deal” that orders:
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> > Every single building and home in the United States is to be torn down and
> > rebuilt.
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> > The use of all traditional forms of energy like gasoline, oil and coal are to be
> > ended in 10 years.
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> > All nuclear power plants are to be shut down and dismantled in 10 years.
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> > Trains are to be built all across American and all air travel ended.
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> > All jobs in America are to be unionized.
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> > All Americans get healthcare and college education paid by the government..
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> > People not wanting to work, for any reason, will be paid by the government.
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> > All cattle are to be eliminated because of their dangerous to the environment
> > farts.

@TargetT .... She is certifiable ..... NUTS

[christian]

The funny thing is, she argues that there's enormous potential for abuse of power in the government... And then she's the one who also argues for more power for the government.

But—lo and behold—of course in the hands of the good guys, with proper checks and balances that prevent any misuse of that expanded power.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmanagementhelp.org%2Fblogs%2Fcrisis-management%2Ffiles%2FIf-youre-not-asking-what-could-go-wrong-youre-gonna-have-a-bad-time-meme.jpg

In my eyes, she's the prototype of the naive poster child to sell a dystopic nanny-state totalitarianism on the people. A useful idiot, used to generate votes, acceptance and obedience to the state.

Therefore, they'll feed her with the most catchy talking points. We're gonna see more of this for sure. This cash cow is gonna get milked.

[ramus]

More on the Nut:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s “lightning round” on money in politics goes viral

AOC points out it’s “super legal” for her to be a “pretty bad guy.”

By Emily Stewart Feb 8, 2019, 10:10am EST

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/8/18216884/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-video-campaign-finance



US campaign finance laws are, well, less than ideal — or, as Rep. Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez put it in a House committee hearing this week, they make it “super
legal” for lawmakers to be a “pretty bad guy.”

A viral video of Ocasio-Cortez during a hearing held by the House Oversight and
Reform Committee on strengthening ethics rules for the executive branch swept
across the internet this week. The video, put together by NowThis News, shows
the high-profile New York Congress member playing a “lightning round” game with
witnesses. The purpose: to highlight how it’s legal for congressional candidates
to do a lot of shady stuff. And they’re held to a higher standard than the
president.

“I’m going to be the bad guy, which, I’m sure, half the room would agree with
anyway, and I want to get away with as much bad things as possible, ideally to
enrich myself and advance my interests, even if that means putting my interests
ahead of the American people,” Ocasio-Cortez said during the Wednesday hearing.
“I have enlisted all of as my co-conspirators, so you’re going to help me
legally get away with all of this.”

She then asked a litany of questions. Can she run a campaign entirely funded by
corporate political action committees? Yes. Can she use that money to make hush
payments and pay people off to get elected? Yes. Once in office, can she
influence and write laws that might affect the groups from which she’s taken
special interest money? Yes. And can she hold stocks in companies the
legislation she’s writing might boost? Yes.


Walter Shaub, senior adviser to the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility
and Ethics in Washington and former head of the Office of Government Ethics who
resigned under President Donald Trump, was one of the witnesses in the hearing.
Ocasio-Cortez asked him whether the ethics limits placed on members of Congress
and the president are comparable. “In terms of laws that apply to the president
... there’s almost no laws at all that apply to the president,” he said.

“It’s already super legal, as we’ve seen, for me to be a pretty bad guy. So it’s
even easier for the president of the United States to be one, I would assume,”
Ocasio-Cortez said.

She also took a bit of a swipe at her colleagues.

“We have a system that is fundamentally broken. We have these influences
existing in this body, which means that these influences are here in this
committee shaping the questions that are being asked of you all right now,” she
said.
AOC made a confusing topic easy to understand

The NowThis video, published on Thursday, has been seen more than 13 million
times. It is yet another example of Ocasio-Cortez, one of the most high-profile
new members of Congress, making headlines and generating buzz.

She’s drawing attention to a topic — campaign finance laws in the US — that many
Americans care about but don’t know the specific ins and outs of. People
generally agree that money in politics is a problem that needs fixing: Pew
Research Center polling shows that most Americans believe there should be limits
on the amount of money individuals and groups can spend on campaigns and think
that big donors have more influence than others. But campaign finance laws are
complicated, so many people aren’t aware of what is and isn’t allowed.

Ocasio-Cortez, in her lightning round of questions, identifies a way to break
down campaign finance laws — and all the surprising things they allow — in a way
that’s easy to digest. That a politician can legally take money from, for
example, the oil and gas industry and then, once elected, write laws that help
the industry and invest in oil and gas stocks is pretty wild. As she puts it,
it’s easy for her to be a “pretty bad guy.”

[Dennis Leahy]

Are there no comments on the fact that - in the video that is the original post topic - this person happens to be speaking the truth? I don't like trump (or ANY of the other approximately 1500 people, all duopoly elite, that run the US government), but when he says, "the media are liars", "fake news", "hillary is a criminal", ... I still recognize it as the truth.

"Live and learn, from fools and from sages."

Her role in Congress is as a pressure relief valve. Her role in the democrat party is, like sanders, a shepherd and a deodorizer. But, in this one particular instance some truth hits the airwaves. In the actual, real, 3D, government that is in control of the USA, rather than the one you might want, the mobsters have legalized insider trading for themselves, and they do most certainly write legislation that supports the corporations they invest in, exponentially amplifying their initial offense. I'd guess that most US citizens have no idea the US congresspersons legalized insider trading for themselves, and use it. (It's part of what the billybob clinton, w bush, and obama administrations were about - legalizing the ruling class and their agents' own criminality, which used to be covert.)

"She's right about this one issue, but she's an insane idiot on _______________ "<---("everything else", or "these particular issues: ...") would be a lot more persuasive to me.

[enigma3]

She's absolutely right about campaign financing and influence peddling but she is so, so wrong on just about everything else that her rightness will get lost in her idiotic green new deal. I predict she will be one and done, but it will be a heck of a show to watch. Between her and Trump the show must go on. My popcorn is ready.
Congress people get one heck of a retirement package, as in salary and medical benefits. Let's see if she keeps her ridiculously high benefits after she loses.

[Bubu]

M

Ocasio-Cortez, in her lightning round of questions, identifies a way to break
down campaign finance laws — and all the surprising things they allow — in a way
that’s easy to digest. That a politician can legally take money from, for
example, the oil and gas industry and then, once elected, write laws that help
the industry and invest in oil and gas stocks is pretty wild. As she puts it,
it’s easy for her to be a “pretty bad guy.”

seen 13 million times. So now more sleepers are aware and probably upset. is this a ploy to drag the Americans to civil war.

[bobme]

definately insane Target.

she also agrees with cuomo, that women in labor, can terminate the childs life.

please tell me I missed the thread on that law in new york, and the one that the virginia polititions said it was alright to kill new born babies, after they made the babies comfortable.

Is that sanity?

[TargeT]

"She's right about this one issue,

which issue?

I can't think of one.... I spend a lot of my free time with her clones... plenty of young bartenders here... I can mentally round pen them in a second... this is NOT an an intelectual, this is NOT a philosopher, this is the left's version of Sarah Pain, except somehow worse (and that really surprises me, sarah was terrible).

[bobme]

so noone can reply to the question of the the insanity of killing a new born. where are we now?

What will we become.

A new easily directed society?

a what.Get your crap together folks, **** has hit the fan, and its splattering in your face.

and it will stick, if you let it.

Dennis, she is only controled.

as all of the politicions are.

[Dennis Leahy]

"She's right about this one issue,

which issue?

I can't think of one....
Did you see the one I mentioned in my post? (re: insider trading legal for the mobsters)

Here's 2 more:
2.) PACS, especially, but not just AIPAC, own the US Congress

3.) the president has too much power - not just trump (in fact, I think obama was the biggest abuser. Executive Orders were never supposed to be an end-around to allow a president to create legislation.)

When you do not acknowledge the rare truth coming out of some politician's mouth - especially the ones you detest - you lose credibility and risk being seen as someone who can't recognize the truth, or lost in partisanship.

I DON'T defend her personally or professionally, nor am I talking about anything about this person other than what was said in the first/opening post video. I will never, ever, ever, vote for any democrat or any republican ever again. (The other political parties are meaningless, I won't vote for them either.) I don't vote for any of them, and I don't support any of them. But I am smart enough to recognize the truth when someone - fool or sage - speaks it. Like when Tucker Carlson spoke (primarily) the truth about Syria.

[christian]

Are there no comments on the fact that - in the video that is the original post topic - this person happens to be speaking the truth? […]

"She's right about this one issue, but she's an insane idiot on _______________ "<---("everything else", or "these particular issues: ...") would be a lot more persuasive to me.

That's exactly what I meant to express here:


The funny thing is, she argues that there's enormous potential for abuse of power in the government... And then she's the one who also argues for more power for the government.

Of course she's right that political power can be easily abused.

[Jake]

I think she is an idiot. I wouldn't hire her to run a nacho stand.

Sorry,
Jake.

[ramus]

@ Dennis Leahy ... you are right about truth, it can be said by fools and sages . .. the ( democrats ) probably want her to shut-up, she is waking people if she knows it or not. IRONIC is the word .. she's still NUTS no matter how you look at her.

[DNA]

Wow Bubu, if you don't understand that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a mind controlled MK-Ultra pawn of the elite then you need to spend a little more time going down the rabbit hole.

There is no way Cortez would be getting the face time she is getting on the media if they didn't already own her from the cradle to the grave.

[TargeT]

"She's right about this one issue,

which issue?

I can't think of one....
Did you see the one I mentioned in my post? (re: insider trading legal for the mobsters)

Here's 2 more:
2.) PACS, especially, but not just AIPAC, own the US Congress

3.) the president has too much power - not just trump (in fact, I think obama was the biggest abuser. Executive Orders were never supposed to be an end-around to allow a president to create legislation.)

When you do not acknowledge the rare truth coming out of some politician's mouth - especially the ones you detest - you lose credibility and risk being seen as someone who can't recognize the truth, or lost in partisanship



I guess I just saw that as a super obvious red herring... bait and switch tactic; these are not new revelations. and she only complains about them, doesn't offer any solutions (so I see them more as statements to gather attention for the actual agenda).

those were just pivot points, as there is no follow through (apparently).

[ALLARON]

So it's okay for Trump and the Oligarch Billionaires to steal the country literally blind, (check the deficit and check their bank accounts), for the Oil Cartel to Rape the Earth, the Chemical Companies to Poison the Water, the Air and the Soil?
And when they're not manufacturing their death and poison for us, I have read that the GDP for the Business of War is excellent.
Trump is the embodiment of a Thief, a Liar and bigot, who just escalated Nuclear War to never before DEFCON....but AOC is "an idiot" or "the devil" for offering the beginning of some kind of road out of the DEATH CULT?

[TargeT]

Trump is the embodiment of a Thief, a Liar and bigot, who just escalated Nuclear War to never before DEFCON....

**references needed




but AOC is "an idiot" or "the devil" for offering the beginning of some kind of road out of the DEATH CULT?


The devil? don't feel like your being a wee bit too polarized here?

she is an idiot because of this:
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and recently this:
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here's a bit more coverage:
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[Buzzie]

She is the reincarnation of Eva Peron.

[DNA]

So it's okay for Trump and the Oligarch Billionaires to steal the country literally blind, (check the deficit and check their bank accounts), for the Oil Cartel to Rape the Earth, the Chemical Companies to Poison the Water, the Air and the Soil?
And when they're not manufacturing their death and poison for us, I have read that the GDP for the Business of War is excellent.
Trump is the embodiment of a Thief, a Liar and bigot, who just escalated Nuclear War to never before DEFCON....but AOC is "an idiot" or "the devil" for offering the beginning of some kind of road out of the DEATH CULT?

Last I checked Trump was pulling us out of never ending war, something he said during his sotu speech, FYI you should watch it. The deficit is entirely the result of never ending war. The oil oligarchs depend on never ending war, the banking elite who control the banks depend on never ending war to prop up the petrol dollar. If you do not understand the petrol dollar you know nothing of true global politics. This is why the media attack him nonstop.

[Bubu]

@ Dennis Leahy ... you are right about truth, it can be said by fools and sages . .. the ( democrats ) probably want her to shut-up, she is waking people if she knows it or not. IRONIC is the word .. she's still NUTS no matter how you look at her.

Make that 2 I observe this actions anywhere, when a person is left then he is left no matter what, if pro trump then same goes. I think its kind of fanaticism. I always look for rationale in the action or the message not the messenger.

[Bubu]

"She's right about this one issue,

which issue?

I can't think of one....
Did you see the one I mentioned in my post? (re: insider trading legal for the mobsters)

Here's 2 more:
2.) PACS, especially, but not just AIPAC, own the US Congress

3.) the president has too much power - not just trump (in fact, I think obama was the biggest abuser. Executive Orders were never supposed to be an end-around to allow a president to create legislation.)

When you do not acknowledge the rare truth coming out of some politician's mouth - especially the ones you detest - you lose credibility and risk being seen as someone who can't recognize the truth, or lost in partisanship



I guess I just saw that as a super obvious red herring... bait and switch tactic; these are not new revelations. and she only complains about them, doesn't offer any solutions (so I see them more as statements to gather attention for the actual agenda).

those were just pivot points, as there is no follow through (apparently).

good point Target, I feel that the panel being question is very cooperative to her as if the answer where rehearse. But then to the sleepers this is quite a revelation and it is good that its making its round on the facebook where I encounter it.

[Dennis Leahy]

So it's okay for Trump and the Oligarch Billionaires to steal the country literally blind, (check the deficit and check their bank accounts), for the Oil Cartel to Rape the Earth, the Chemical Companies to Poison the Water, the Air and the Soil?
And when they're not manufacturing their death and poison for us, I have read that the GDP for the Business of War is excellent.
Trump is the embodiment of a Thief, a Liar and bigot, who just escalated Nuclear War to never before DEFCON....but AOC is "an idiot" or "the devil" for offering the beginning of some kind of road out of the DEATH CULT?

Last I checked Trump was pulling us out of never ending war, something he said during his sotu speech, FYI you should watch it. The deficit is entirely the result of never ending war. The oil oligarchs depend on never ending war, the banking elite who control the banks depend on never ending war to prop up the petrol dollar. If you do not understand the petrol dollar you know nothing of true global politics. This is why the media attack him nonstop.

Wow! These two posts - so in opposition - both have powerful truths in them.

[waves]

I'm really disappointed to see this name in a thread title here. I've been noticing for weeks now how she's just the next politico-celebrity being pushed into America's faces. Every day all the rags are finding some lame excuse to use her name in some article title prominently on front pages. I didn't fall for it. Any attention given to her at all is wasted time.

She is obviously being groomed to play a specific role by the big players. It's really foolish to bother debating anything she 'says'.

[TargeT]

The memes.... THE MEMES!!!!!


I did not realize that she was elected by a body of only 12% of all registered voters in her district........ Elected via Apathy.

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[Ernie Nemeth]

Dare I ask. Is she American? Or is she an illegal alien?
Maybe just an alien...👽

[TargeT]

Dare I ask. Is she American? Or is she an illegal alien?
Maybe just an alien...👽

Rich girl from a nice neighborhood in NY (Yorktown Heights, a suburb in Westchester County) (https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/02/ocasio-cortez-westchester/751333002/).... maybe TOO American?

she said she's form the bronx tho...... basically she's as fake as possible... great AstroTurf

[Bubu]

I posted this just to educate myself about this person. Every person no matter how bad can be of good use. Say she is a good reference point. who she associate with what are the things she promote and so on. And thanks everyone for your info.

[Bluegreen]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has a three letter Twitter handle @AOC

There are only 50,653 (highly coveted) three character handles available, all of them claimed. For comparison, every four character handle (1,874,161) has also been claimed.

It’s really odd that a three letter handle would be available. Buying a twitter handle is not allowed and, to the best of my knowledge, can only be done on the black market.

http://ixchi.me/twitter-handles/

[Kristin]

Apparently twitter will not allow 3-4 characters on an account, even if the name is unused. They post a message asking you to use five or more characters. That is really interesting. I do wonder how she got that account and who would have the authority to move twitter's hand in so strong a fashion.

[AutumnW]

Wow Bubu, if you don't understand that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a mind controlled MK-Ultra pawn of the elite then you need to spend a little more time going down the rabbit hole.

There is no way Cortez would be getting the face time she is getting on the media if they didn't already own her from the cradle to the grave.


"Mind controlled MK-ultra pawn." Sources please?

[RunningDeer]

Apparently twitter will not allow 3-4 characters on an account, even if the name is unused. They post a message asking you to use five or more characters. That is really interesting. I do wonder how she got that account and who would have the authority to move twitter's hand in so strong a fashion.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has a three letter Twitter handle @AOC

...can only be done on the black market.

I found a 2 minute video from 2012 and an article for anyone interested in changing their name. I've never had an account nor tweeted, but I do know something about website addresses. Which is first come, first served. I suspect it'd be harder today to pick a three letter name because of the increased number of twitter users.

ARTICLE: Updated Guide on Changing Your Twitter Handle (https://follows.com/blog/2016/02/guide-changing-twitter-handle)


How To Get 3 Character Twitter Accounts [WORKS 100%]
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Published on Mar 7, 2012

[TargeT]

The Dems are turning on AOC

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[Ratszinger]

This woman is insane... how did she get elected?
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My guess is she is secretly someone's daughter or perhaps sister. Seriously, AOC could easily pass for Barack Obama's kid sister and her face even has the same genetic structure to it so to me based on the past secret sons and daughters we already know about in key places, need I really name them? Chelsea Clinton is not Bill's daughter! Hillary is not the daughter of who main stream media says is her dad, and for that matter Bill Clinton himself is a secret son, as is Prince William who is said to be the real bio-son of the x king of Spain (Carlos) and the list goes on. This is one family line basically. There are key blue boys in place also like John Kerry, an obvious Hapsburg with the genetic upper lip profile to prove it as seen in his relatives, Castro, and that Murphy rep. from what is it CT? They are all related and they all handle children and make and arrange marriages before these children are even born.

So again whenever we see someone so stupid you have to wonder how in the world does this idiot get herself launched to the world stage it can only be that she is quite simply a bloodline related to someone and she has been placed there because as is also obvious, at least to me, someone has big plans for this gal!

[Ratszinger]

Back to add that as you may recall when Hillary first came onto the world stage she was really raw, really amateur, made some stupid mistakes and was foolish in several ways just parallel to what we see here with AOC and my prediction is that like with Hillary they'll simply send AOC off to spa for some training and when she comes back she'll be a whole new woman, standing out there on the stage doing the routine, (you know it, the wave like you know someone but there is no one there you recognize it's just spa training) and she'll advance with great strides once they polish off the rough edges.

[Bluegreen]

What really pisses me off about this chick is her dragging my name through the mud :rant:

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2019/02/07/07-aoc-green-new-deal.w600.h600.jpg

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[Jake]

Again, I wouldn't trust her to run a nacho stand. Did she REALLY just chase away Amazon from putting a HQ in her district? 25,000 jobs, the tax revenue, the extra money, etc??? What a doggle. Now i think we would be better if she WAS running a nacho stand. (Though, I wouldn't trust her to run MY nacho stand.)

Jake.

[mgray]

AOC on NYC losing Amazon HQ2 and how she should have Amazon deliver an economic book to her: My Take (https://grayseconomy.com/2019/02/18/aoc-should-have-amazon-deliver-an-economic-book-to-her/)

[Praxis]

AOC on NYC losing Amazon HQ2 and how she should have Amazon deliver an economic book to her: My Take (https://grayseconomy.com/2019/02/18/aoc-should-have-amazon-deliver-an-economic-book-to-her/)

Great! Now it is not just the MAGA Q anon thread, it is all over the site now. Hurrah.

Just so yall dont have to ride that link, give MR Gray that Adclick revenue and want to stay within the forum to you know actually read post on the forum . . .

"
AOC should have Amazon deliver an economic book to her
Posted on February 18, 2019
The ultra left liberal Democrats in New York City are still taking a victory lap over pushing Jeff Bezos and Amazon out of the city.

They are celebrating the loss of 250K jobs with a median salary of $150K for positions the city totally lacks in the 21st century: High tech development careers.

These positions were not here to make sure your package arrived on time or that Alexa understood your voice, no these were the positions were going to catapult Amazon to its next iteration.

The men and woman hired would probably develop the first true cancer database for assessing tumors and treatment through AI running on Amazon’s cloud storage system assessing millions of prior scans and treatment options in real time.

That’s one of hundreds of ideas that may have come out of this effort.

Instead we have House Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — who is the subject of a perfect meme of holding a surge protected power strip plugged into itself and smiling — celebrating that the $3 billion in Amazon givebacks can now go to the people.

AOC did not get it, since she is only 29 perhaps, that there is no $3 billion to spend. The only way Amazon would received $3 billion in givebacks was if it created $27 billion in revenue for the city in payroll taxes by hiring people.

There’s no such thing as free energy Alexandria and there’s no $3 billion for the people. You and your ultra left-leaning cohorts made sure of that."

[TargeT]

Just so yall dont have to ride that link, give MR Gray that Adclick revenue and want to stay within the forum to you know actually read post on the forum . . .


I didn't see any ads.

I read your post and thought ",,,,, what an asshole".


even if he did have adds, people's work is worth nothing to you? one click is too much to give someone else? You seem to be a very selfish/hateful person by this post; do you feel that is an accurate description? Did this post match your morals and self image?

[Orph]

Did this post match your morals and self image?Just a little food for thought here:

I may be wrong, but every post I see by Mgray is a simple one sentence statement followed by a "See my views HERE". Then you have to click on his website link to see what he has to say. (Or not). There's never any discussion, or back and forth banter. He never engages anybody here on the forum itself. He never has anything to say anywhere on this forum other than --- "See my views HERE". (At least that's all I see. Maybe I'm wrong).

I wouldn't mind if he was actually discussing various topics on various different threads and then occasionally saying something like "I have more to say on this topic on my website HERE". But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Am I wrong? Has anybody actually engaged in any discussion with Mgray here on the forum? Is he an actual contributing member on different threads? If so, I stand corrected. But from what I see, his only purpose here on P.A. is to get people to click on his website. I'm not against people making money with their website, and I have no idea if he does get money from his website or not. And if you want to click on his website, then fine. Have at it.

But I for one, would like to read what he has to say without having to click on another source. I would like to see him join our 'roundtable discussion' in the first person and not just a "See my views HERE".

Again, maybe I'm wrong, and if so, I apologize. But it seems to be a one way street with Mgray. .........

So maybe it doesn't bother some people that he doesn't join in the conversation. Maybe it doesn't bother some people to have to go to his website just to see what he has to say. And to some it may seem like a ticky-tack thing to complain about it. But, you know what, ...... don't be too quick to condemn those of us that think that maybe, just maybe, Mgray is using this forum to his advantage. Again, maybe I'm wrong. I apologize if I am.

Food for thought.

[section9]

She just strikes me as a graduate from Tavistock.

[Ratszinger]

Did this post match your morals and self image?Just a little food for thought here:

I may be wrong, but every post I see by Mgray is a simple one sentence statement followed by a "See my views HERE". Then you have to click on his website link to see what he has to say. (Or not). There's never any discussion, or back and forth banter. He never engages anybody here on the forum itself. He never has anything to say anywhere on this forum other than --- "See my views HERE". (At least that's all I see. Maybe I'm wrong).

I wouldn't mind if he was actually discussing various topics on various different threads and then occasionally saying something like "I have more to say on this topic on my website HERE". But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Am I wrong? Has anybody actually engaged in any discussion with Mgray here on the forum? Is he an actual contributing member on different threads? If so, I stand corrected. But from what I see, his only purpose here on P.A. is to get people to click on his website. I'm not against people making money with their website, and I have no idea if he does get money from his website or not. And if you want to click on his website, then fine. Have at it.

But I for one, would like to read what he has to say without having to click on another source. I would like to see him join our 'roundtable discussion' in the first person and not just a "See my views HERE".

Again, maybe I'm wrong, and if so, I apologize. But it seems to be a one way street with Mgray. .........

So maybe it doesn't bother some people that he doesn't join in the conversation. Maybe it doesn't bother some people to have to go to his website just to see what he has to say. And to some it may seem like a ticky-tack thing to complain about it. But, you know what, ...... don't be too quick to condemn those of us that think that maybe, just maybe, Mgray is using this forum to his advantage. Again, maybe I'm wrong. I apologize if I am.

Food for thought.

This occurred to me also. For example, on another forum where I moderate you cannot just "link and run" like this. You have to engage and discuss what is there and why it is relevant. To link drop and dart is a warning and point deduct by the mods for doing what Mr. Gray does. Just saying. EDIT: from the rules on my other forum:
Defend your position - If you post an article or make a statement, back it up with some commentary on what brought you to that. This isn't the Drudge Report. Posting a link or complete article without bothering to state your own position and why you think it is right or wrong will be viewed as a "link and run" and you'll get dinged for failing to follow the forum rules.

[TargeT]

I wouldn't mind if he was actually discussing various topics on various different threads and then occasionally saying something like "I have more to say on this topic on my website HERE". But that doesn't seem to be the case.


to some extent I agree... however I also was (briefly) a content creator (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4I69vRXxau3Pm2m7hGdUvw), have you ever done that?

Do you know the time it takes, the research, the dedication?

I quit because it took far longer to produce content than it seemed like it was worth.

I even did it for my own business (https://www.youtube.com/user/CruzanCowgirls) for a while (to the same results, even with almost a millions views)

I will support anyone who actually creates content, in any form... because it is a rare thing, not many people step up to the plate and actually contribute... I know I do not anymore.


Am I wrong?


what do you support?

[mgray]

I apologize for offending anyone here. It was not my intention. I do contribute in other ways to PA with comments and likes and will continue to do so. Thank you TargeT.

Again my apologies.

[Ratszinger]

I apologize for offending anyone here. It was not my intention. I do contribute in other ways to PA with comments and likes and will continue to do so. Thank you TargeT.

Again my apologies.

Please don't think that you've offended me. I just say the same thought occurs to me because, well, because on the other forum I'd be expected to you know, say something to you so it's crossed my mind each time I saw how you engaged. I like your input and I read your links but I'm not offended about it just trying to say in defense of the others also saying something it did occur to me as well that you could engage the forum here more that was all. No apology necessary and I hope there are no hard feelings.

[Praxis]

Did this post match your morals and self image?Just a little food for thought here:

I may be wrong, but every post I see by Mgray is a simple one sentence statement followed by a "See my views HERE". Then you have to click on his website link to see what he has to say. (Or not). There's never any discussion, or back and forth banter. He never engages anybody here on the forum itself. He never has anything to say anywhere on this forum other than --- "See my views HERE". (At least that's all I see. Maybe I'm wrong).

I wouldn't mind if he was actually discussing various topics on various different threads and then occasionally saying something like "I have more to say on this topic on my website HERE". But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Am I wrong? Has anybody actually engaged in any discussion with Mgray here on the forum? Is he an actual contributing member on different threads? If so, I stand corrected. But from what I see, his only purpose here on P.A. is to get people to click on his website. I'm not against people making money with their website, and I have no idea if he does get money from his website or not. And if you want to click on his website, then fine. Have at it.

But I for one, would like to read what he has to say without having to click on another source. I would like to see him join our 'roundtable discussion' in the first person and not just a "See my views HERE".

Again, maybe I'm wrong, and if so, I apologize. But it seems to be a one way street with Mgray. .........

So maybe it doesn't bother some people that he doesn't join in the conversation. Maybe it doesn't bother some people to have to go to his website just to see what he has to say. And to some it may seem like a ticky-tack thing to complain about it. But, you know what, ...... don't be too quick to condemn those of us that think that maybe, just maybe, Mgray is using this forum to his advantage. Again, maybe I'm wrong. I apologize if I am.

Food for thought.

Yes he does interact with some of the threads and sometimes not post the style you mentioned: One sentence ending with a link. But you are right, it is mainly this one sentence link to blog posts which defeat the purpose of forum if I have to click through to another site when i want to read his post. But he is MAGA bro and Paul is too so they let it slide. Note how Paul likes most of his posts.

He has sent me a PM directly the first time I did this and told me directly that he does it so he can get money from his blog. I will screen shot this as I still have it if you do not believe me.

So regardless of what TargeT says, he is doing this for money.

But the main reason I feel so strongly about this is because at one point on his blog he posted about how he thinks Gauntanamo Bay is good and should be used against US Citizens.

https://grayseconomy.com/2018/08/28/gitmo-will-have-marquee-names-at-tribunals-in-2019/

So he is openly support of Military Tribunals of American Citizens. That is terrifying. Folllowed up by

https://grayseconomy.com/2018/08/31/a-timeline-for-the-fall-fireworks-and-gitmo/

Where people accused of sedition and or treason will be sent there. He clearly does not believe in due process and or the constitution as you can read by his own words.

[RunningDeer]

He has sent me a PM directly...
...I will screen shot this as I still have it if you do not believe me.
A did you know post:

Project Avalon Forum Guidelines

PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS

Private messages must remain private, and should never be posted in public without the author’s permission.

[Orph]

Mgray, thank you for reading my post. Please know I meant no harm. I have gone to your website several times. You are a very good writer and have many thought provoking things to say. Good stuff there.

May I make a suggestion? Start your own thread and call it "Mgray's World" or some such. That will be your thread. A place where you can post what your subject is for that day and then provide the link. (If that is allowed). Anyway, I hope we can all come to some type of agreement here.

[we-R-one]

She just strikes me as a graduate from Tavistock.

LMAO, that was funny....thanks for that, touche.

Edit to Add: Or maybe she's Tavistock's wet dream?

[TargeT]

So regardless of what TargeT says, he is doing this for money.

What did I say again? check your confirmation bias... I said nothing about money... I did, however; infer that making money off content creation is something I support.




But the main reason I feel so strongly about this is because at one point on his blog he posted about how he thinks Gauntanamo Bay is good and should be used against US Citizens.

https://grayseconomy.com/2018/08/28/gitmo-will-have-marquee-names-at-tribunals-in-2019/

So he is openly support of Military Tribunals of American Citizens. That is terrifying. Folllowed up by

https://grayseconomy.com/2018/08/31/a-timeline-for-the-fall-fireworks-and-gitmo/

Where people accused of sedition and or treason will be sent there. He clearly does not believe in due process and or the constitution as you can read by his own words.

First off... what is a tribunal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribunal) to you?


A tribunal, generally, is any person or institution with authority to judge, adjudicate on, or determine claims or disputes—whether or not it is called a tribunal in its title.[1] For example, an advocate who appears before a court with a single judge could describe that judge as 'their tribunal'. Many governmental bodies that are titled 'tribunals' are so described to emphasize that they are not courts of normal jurisdiction. For example, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda is a body specially constituted under international law; in Great Britain, employment tribunals are bodies set up to hear specific employment disputes. In many (but not all) cases, the word tribunal implies a judicial (or quasi-judicial) body with a lesser degree of formality than a court, to which the normal rules of evidence and procedure may not apply, and whose presiding officers are frequently neither judges nor magistrates. Private judicial bodies are also often styled 'tribunals'

So your distracting and derailing this thread because you have a vendetta against him because he believes something you do not?

how is this not problematic to you?


Do you think your "feels" justify this behavior?

[mgray]

I would prefer this thread get back to AOC and her most recent comment equating the border wall to the Berlin Wall.

[TargeT]

AOC thinks that New York was going to "give" 3 billion dollars to Amazon??? does she not know what a tax incentive is??

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[Andre]

Sarah Palin's clone.

[TargeT]

I love this youtube channel... hahaha

6Nj7TCP97yE

[waree]

Fun fact AOC was born on Friday, October 13, 1989 (Black Friday)! :p

The Friday the 13th mini-crash was a stock market crash that occurred on Friday, October 13, 1989. The crash - referred to by some as "Black Friday"

[mgray]

Fun fact AOC was born on Friday, October 13, 1989 (Black Friday)! :p

The Friday the 13th mini-crash was a stock market crash that occurred on Friday, October 13, 1989. The crash - referred to by some as "Black Friday"

Perhaps that’s why she dislikes capitalism. Born under the sign of bearish crash. Lol

[waree]

Exactly! What a coincidence!?!

[Bubu]

I'm excited to know who wins the bashing contest,

Hey guys keep going the stakes are high:)

[cecilmeyer]

Why do think that about her? I see a person standing up to help people. Why is college ,healthcare and stopping all our wars a bad thing?

[TargeT]

Why do think that about her? I see a person standing up to help people. Why is college ,healthcare and stopping all our wars a bad thing?

You have to get past her sound bytes and look at what she is actually trying to do, look at some of her insanely wrong ideas.

She helped block Amazon from comming to New York because she thought the 3billion in tax incentives meant the city of New York was "giving" amazon 3 billion... either she's entitled enough to assume the tax revenue already was the state's, or she didn't understand that it would not be a budget spending item for 3 billion to amazon... either way its a scary misunderstanding from someone who helps run the government.
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she does say some lovely things, but that's mostly for the drive by people who are too busy, or can't be bothered; to research a bit more.

Did you see the time she went searching for Mitch Mconnell and made a huge deal out of it like he was hiding out or something (He was in his office).
PuXn21nUXsE

Its things like this that are very problematic.

[Valerie Villars]

And things like this that are extremely hypocritical..........


Poor people not allowed in AOC's luxury apartment complex
by Alana Goodman
| February 19, 2019 02:43 PM

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., recently moved into a luxury apartment complex in Washington, D.C. that does not offer the affordable housing units that were a key plank in the New York congresswoman’s campaign platform.

Ocasio-Cortez, 29, who said in November that she was concerned about being able to afford rent in D.C., now earns a $174,000 annual salary and is living in a newly built high-rise in the city’s Navy Yard area, the Washington Free Beacon reported last week.

The freshman congresswoman, a self-described socialist, campaigned on a platform to expand affordable housing, and her controversial Green New Deal proposal promises “Safe, affordable, adequate housing” for all.


But Ocasio-Cortez’s new building — built by leading D.C. developer WC Smith — is part of a luxury complex whose owners specifically do not offer affordable units under Washington, D.C.’s Affordable Dwelling Units program. The Washington Examiner is not naming the building or complex.

In 2018, a civil rights attorney sued the Washington, D.C. government for allegedly discriminatory gentrification policies, claiming that development in Navy Yard area and other parts of southeast D.C. encouraged an influx of affluent “millennial creatives” who displaced minority residents.

Ocasio-Cortez, commonly referred to as "AOC," repeatedly criticized luxury real estate developers during her campaign, claiming that their buildings hiked up rent prices and pushed low-income residents out of their neighborhoods.

“We need to kick luxury real estate lobbyists to the curb and defend working people’s way of life,” Ocasio-Cortez said last March. “Skyrocketing cost of living is a national crisis that CAN be addressed. It’s not just an NYC issue - it’s happening in every US metro area.”

Ocasio-Cortez also promised not to take campaign contributions from luxury developers during her campaign. “It’s time we stand up to the luxury developer lobby,” she said in a speech last April. “Every official is too scared to do it - except me.”

Her new apartment complex — which boasts on its website that it vows to take "luxury apartment living" to a higher level — offers over 100,000 square feet of amenities for its residents.

These include: two private massage rooms with state-of-the-art hydrotherapy beds; men’s and women’s saunas; a full-scale demonstration kitchen with wood-fired pizza oven; a 25-meter indoor lap pool; a rooftop infinity pool with panoramic views of the Capitol; a Peloton cycling studio with over a dozen bikes; and a fireside lounge featuring a Steinway & Sons player piano.

Also included is a PGA-grade golf simulation lounge with a wrap-around screen and viewing bar that allows residents to play virtually at dozens of the world’s most exclusive golf courses with the touch of a button. Last week, Democrats mocked President Trump for installing a new golf simulator at the White House — updating with his own money one originally installed by former President Barack Obama.

Apartments in the building currently start at $1,840 per month for a 440 square foot studio, and range up to $5,200 for a three-bedroom. The average rent in Washington D.C. is $1,340 for a one-bedroom apartment and $1,550 for a two-bedroom, according to the most recent data from Apartment List.

W. Christopher Smith, 66, the Annapolis-based CEO of WC Smith, is a Democratic donor who contributed to Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign and the Senate campaigns of Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-M.D., Sen. Mark Warner, D-VA., and Jane Raybould, who lost a 2018 Senate race in Nebraska.

Smith donated to Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C., in 2017, and 11 employees of WC Smith gave $6,900 to the campaign of Muriel Bower, the Democratic mayor of D.C. In 2018, WC Smith's vice-president of communications Ann-Marie Bairstow gave over $1300 to Act Blue earmarked in small amounts — $100 or less — for various candidates, including $50 to Ocasio-Cortez.

[Jake]

Why do think that about her? I see a person standing up to help people. Why is college ,healthcare and stopping all our wars a bad thing?

I don't see where ANYONE says college and healthcare are bad. And I certainly haven't heard anyone suggest that wars are good.

I don't see her helping ANYONE. There's at least 25,000 folks in her state that WILL NOT get a job at Amazon... Billions in tax revenue for New York,,, just GONE... How does that help people.

Riddle me this! How do you tax corporations IF THEY HAVE ALL BEEN CHASED OUT?

Where do I get a job, if there AREN'T ANY?

I believe I'm sovereignty, liberty, and being independent. It requires sacrifice, responsibility, and HARD WORK. America has always been okay with that. You give up your freedom and opportunities when you except gubmint control... no?

Do grown independent adults DEMAND to be babysat?

When is the last time a poor person on welfare HIRED YOU??

Now, when is the last time someone with dough hired you? Bingo...

I'm NO economic guru... not at all... I'm just sayin..I was at a store yesterday.. this obese chick with blue hair was complaining about how oppressed she is, how unfair her life is (of course, she blamed the president...) and how socialism will SAVE America!!!! This girl makes 18 dollars an hour, she works full time,, etc... I haven't made that much since the Insurance Commisioner in my srate, RAN all the EVIL insurance companies out.. WE ALL LOSt OUR JOBS... And I am just now recovering.

No, my friend,,, I disagree. She is only helping herself.

Jake

[section9]

She just strikes me as a graduate from Tavistock.

LMAO, that was funny....thanks for that, touche.

Edit to Add: Or maybe she's Tavistock's wet dream?

I’m half serious.

She just fell off the turnip truck and just has all this organized attention from the Propaganda Ministry.

Has everyone here forgotten how the CIA promoted Bubba, Bush Jr, and Obama to stardom?

What do you people take this country for? A banana republic?

Oh, wait....

[Bubu]

Why do think that about her? I see a person standing up to help people. Why is college ,healthcare and stopping all our wars a bad thing?

I don't see where ANYONE says college and healthcare are bad. And I certainly haven't heard anyone suggest that wars are good.

I don't see her helping ANYONE. There's at least 25,000 folks in her state that WILL NOT get a job at Amazon... Billions in tax revenue for New York,,, just GONE... How does that help people.

Riddle me this! How do you tax corporations IF THEY HAVE ALL BEEN CHASED OUT?

Where do I get a job, if there AREN'T ANY?

I believe I'm sovereignty, liberty, and being independent. It requires sacrifice, responsibility, and HARD WORK. America has always been okay with that. You give up your freedom and opportunities when you except gubmint control... no?

Do grown independent adults DEMAND to be babysat?

When is the last time a poor person on welfare HIRED YOU??

Now, when is the last time someone with dough hired you? Bingo...

I'm NO economic guru... not at all... I'm just sayin..I was at a store yesterday.. this obese chick with blue hair was complaining about how oppressed she is, how unfair her life is (of course, she blamed the president...) and how socialism will SAVE America!!!! This girl makes 18 dollars an hour, she works full time,, etc... I haven't made that much since the Insurance Commisioner in my srate, RAN all the EVIL insurance companies out.. WE ALL LOSt OUR JOBS... And I am just now recovering.

No, my friend,,, I disagree. She is only helping herself.

Jake

Hi Cecimeyer, Jake and Target and almost everyone here is right about here. She is a fake or simply an idiot but for folks to join the chorus in repeatedly bashing her is something adults should not do IMO.

[Jake]

Why do think that about her? I see a person standing up to help people. Why is college ,healthcare and stopping all our wars a bad thing?

I don't see where ANYONE says college and healthcare are bad. And I certainly haven't heard anyone suggest that wars are good.

I don't see her helping ANYONE. There's at least 25,000 folks in her state that WILL NOT get a job at Amazon... Billions in tax revenue for New York,,, just GONE... How does that help people.

Riddle me this! How do you tax corporations IF THEY HAVE ALL BEEN CHASED OUT?

Where do I get a job, if there AREN'T ANY?

I believe I'm sovereignty, liberty, and being independent. It requires sacrifice, responsibility, and HARD WORK. America has always been okay with that. You give up your freedom and opportunities when you except gubmint control... no?

Do grown independent adults DEMAND to be babysat?

When is the last time a poor person on welfare HIRED YOU??

Now, when is the last time someone with dough hired you? Bingo...

I'm NO economic guru... not at all... I'm just sayin..I was at a store yesterday.. this obese chick with blue hair was complaining about how oppressed she is, how unfair her life is (of course, she blamed the president...) and how socialism will SAVE America!!!! This girl makes 18 dollars an hour, she works full time,, etc... I haven't made that much since the Insurance Commisioner in my srate, RAN all the EVIL insurance companies out.. WE ALL LOSt OUR JOBS... And I am just now recovering.

No, my friend,,, I disagree. She is only helping herself.

Jake

Hi Cecimeyer, Jake and Target and almost everyone here is right about here. She is a fake or simply an idiot but for folks to join the chorus in repeatedly bashing her is something adults should not do IMO.

Fair enough. (I had a couple of good ones...) though I shall digress. Lol...

Jake

[Bluegreen]

Hi Bubu, god bless you and cecilmeyer for your compassionate hearts and expressed sentiments.

I think if a woman is going to place herself in the public eye and say LOOK AT ME, then the rules change, and if that woman places herself in the public eye, picks up a bullhorn and says I AM HERE TO LEAD YOU then the rules are completely different, and she deserves whatever comes her way whatever that may be. Additionally, the average person in the street is so conditioned, hypnotized, and unaware that unless they hear something 10-20-30 times, they JUST DON'T GET IT. Those promoting her are well aware of this unfortunate fact, and are hammering away just as much, if not more, than those bashing.

IMO of course.

On another note, a friend tracked down the AOC story and made some headway. Twitter is a private company that can do whatever they want without explaining themselves to anyone, and that’s what happened. It is common for Twitter to change the handles of candidates after they get elected; for example, the twitter account for Ms Smith's political campaign is @smith2020, then when she gets elected they will change it to @smithUSgov. Twitter recognizes how hot AOC is and good for their network, so they gave her a good moniker. There is also the possibility that a key executive or three may be ready to throw their weight behind any bought and paid for talking head they can get their hands on to ride all the way to the presidency.

What’s rather interesting is that they got it by canceling the account of an Islamic (possibly extremist) group called the Academy Of Change, who have changed their name and no longer use the 3 character handle.

[Spellbound]

Jake, I have to say.....I really like your avatar. Reminds me of a painting by Walter Sickert (who some believe actually was The Ripper) titled Jack The Ripper's Bedroom.

40010

Anyways...I just thought I'd throw that out there.

Dave - Toronto

[Bubu]

Additionally, the average person in the street is so conditioned, hypnotized, and unaware that unless they hear something 10-20-30 times, they JUST DON'T GET IT. Those promoting her are well aware of this unfortunate fact, and are hammering away just as much, if not more, than those bashing. .

Avalon is not the average person on the street. The reason we are here is we dont belong to the street. People who come here stay because they are not ignorant they may know little but not ignorant, meaning they are open to learn new things. Sorry folks its feels odd that we are doing here what we just did. At some very brief point I felt like its an insult to my intelligence already. but of course its not. we simply need to remind ourselves.

[Jake]

Jake, I have to say.....I really like your avatar. Reminds me of a painting by Walter Sickert (who some believe actually was The Ripper) titled Jack The Ripper's Bedroom.

40010

Anyways...I just thought I'd throw that out there.

Dave - Toronto

It's Hat-man. My nemesis,,, (not really/sort-of...) ;) That painting is very cool... I had to stop myself from staring. Lol...

Part of being a sovereign being means that we FACE our fears. I faced down Hat-man...

Digressing...

In my view, Socialism represents the OPPOSITE of sovereinty. Based on FEAR, folks give their power FREELY to OTHERS to take care of them, and to Think for them. I do not live in fear.. ie,,, I DEMAND that NO entity control me...

Digressing...

Hat-man represents facing down fears... it's my avatar.

[Bubu]

Hey Jake, your post prompted me to remember how day old babies was poke three times with a needle (enough to make an adult cringe) on the sole of the foot to extract blood. They call it New Born screening. And then i remember how I would sterilize my mushrooms planting medium to kill all bio. The planting medium becomes a bio vacuum so that when I plant the mycelium it will grow fast and abundant with no competition. What would you think happen to a virtually vacuum consciousness of a baby when planted with pain?

[A Voice from the Mountains]

"She's right about this one issue, but she's an insane idiot on _______________ "<---("everything else", or "these particular issues: ...") would be a lot more persuasive to me.

That would make sense, considering it would probably take a socialist to make that argument in the first place, and then no persuasion would be required.

The risk of corruption is a problem in any system. But what is supposed to be the horrible evil of a congressman who, for example, wants legislation to help an industry and personally invest in that industry too? If it was to benefit a specific company, as often happens, then that's undermining competition. But if it's encouraging progress across a whole field, then how would that be bad exactly?

It's the same as with Trump owning businesses, and then people say, oh, he's only doing this or that to help his own businesses. By implication, it seems that he's supposed to do things that would hurt his sector of the market, just in order to... what, exactly? Virtue signal to socialists who aren't going to vote for him anyway?

Wanting a 70% income tax on the upper class is equally, if not even more stupid. I would prefer we left such policies to Europe, so we can suck all of the industry they have left off of their continent. I read articles in French economics all the time about some European company getting the shaft, and being undercut by some American contractor, on anything from tech services to military hardware. I think it's beautiful. But we don't enjoy that competitive supremacy by punishing our entrepreneurs by putting a ceiling on their returns.

[Jake]

Hey Jake, your post prompted me to remember how day old babies was poke three times with a needle (enough to make an adult cringe) on the sole of the foot to extract blood. They call it New Born screening. And then i remember how I would sterilize my mushrooms planting medium to kill all bio. The planting medium becomes a bio vacuum so that when I plant the mycelium it will grow fast and abundant with no competition. What would you think happen to a virtually vacuum consciousness of a baby when planted with pain?

Guessing,,, a fast- growing, abundant population of humans who can be easily manipulated and controlled, with little or NO resistance.

I'm really not sure, brother.
Jake

[Bubu]

Hey Jake, your post prompted me to remember how day old babies was poke three times with a needle (enough to make an adult cringe) on the sole of the foot to extract blood. They call it New Born screening. And then i remember how I would sterilize my mushrooms planting medium to kill all bio. The planting medium becomes a bio vacuum so that when I plant the mycelium it will grow fast and abundant with no competition. What would you think happen to a virtually vacuum consciousness of a baby when planted with pain?

Guessing,,, a fast- growing, abundant population of humans who can be easily manipulated and controlled, with little or NO resistance.

I'm really not sure, brother.
Jake

Inflicting pain equals trauma equals insecurity. This NBS program started in the Philippine some 22 years ago. Now every year there is a growing trend of suicide among teenagers. Coincidence?

You are correct an easily controlled population. An insecure person is very reactive and easily controlled. They also tend to look for masters and gurus which makes them all more susceptible to control. But.. its going to be less abundant in number because more deaths could result. Serves the population reduction agenda.

[Lost N Found]

And on top of this bimbo who is being or has been groomed to come out of nowhere, Just Like Obummer, we are treated to this bit of news today. Gotta wonder about her and others of the same caliber.


Shadow Super Exopolitical Intel Report -- February 23, 2019
2/23/2019 11:06:00 AM Cabal, Exopolitics, Gitmo, Secret News, ShadowSuper

Shadow Super Intel Report

February 23, 2019

Submitted to Operation Disclosure | By ShadowSuper

Breaking...

Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez has been arrested according to a reliable Earth Alliance source.

Earth Alliance storm troopers arrested Cortez at 13:40 on 22/2/2019 at an underground facility at Dulce base New Mexico which was under surveillance by the Earth Alliance due to bizarre activity seen there.

Cortez did not put up any resistance and documents found in her handbag revealed a new blueprint for cloning technology which could clone a human being merely from a swab of DNA within a month.

Cortez is now believed to be in transit to GITMO along with other Cabal lieutenants arrested at the site.

More info as it arrives...

Hehehe

[TargeT]

Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez has been arrested according to a reliable Earth Alliance source.


First off....

NO

second, link?

third.. Trusted source (LINK? REFERENCE?)

fourth... seriously?? This is the kind of ***** that ruins the credibility of people that actually question things and help.

[Lost N Found]

Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez has been arrested according to a reliable Earth Alliance source.


First off....

NO

second, link?

third.. Trusted source (LINK? REFERENCE?)

fourth... seriously?? This is the kind of ***** that ruins the credibility of people that actually question things and help.

Thanks TargeT, I thought that entire bit of crap was totally false when I first saw it and spit my coffee all over my screen. I posted it for a laugh and should have made that perfectly clear. I didn't have to go anywhere to know just how shilly that was but here is another that jumped on it and called BS also.

(Reader) Anonymous American: Cortez Arrested?
2/23/2019 09:53:00 PM Gitmo, Guest Post, Secret News, ShadowSuper
Submitted to Operation Disclosure | By Anonymous American

Shadow Super Exopolitical Intel Report -- February 23, 2019

You can all hereby stop reading anything put out by Shadow Super.

It has lost ALL Credibility after making the claim that Cortez (AOC) was arrested at Dulce, NM.

The part about Cloning was a nice touch also (not)!

How ridiculous can you get?

OR was it intentionally done that way just to distract everyone? First it was Obama escaping from GITMO and now this "News" about Cortez.

Shooting yourself in the foot ?

WTF

So to say, Sorry for not being more clear as to doing a side laugh. Ocrazio is quite funny but is in a scary way, serious. This is what we have to look at in the new Democrat Socialist Party of today.

[Jake]

I'd hire THIS guy to run MY nacho stand... This guy is on point. From taxes, to regulations, to limited gov't, etc... He was a Democrat, until he used his own brain, did his OWN research, and demanded to Think for himself... he put a lot of effort into his hotdog stand, and became successful WITHOUT RELYING on gubmint...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrlgIP2JOf4

[Jake]

Furthermore... the-six-figure-price-tag-for-selling-a-two-dollar-hot-dog. (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/nyregion/the-six-figure-price-tag-for-selling-a-two-dollar-hot-dog.html)

Corporations are not the cause... GOVERNMENT is the problem... it's already really bad. AOC vows to make it worse...

Jake.

[Bubu]

Furthermore... the-six-figure-price-tag-for-selling-a-two-dollar-hot-dog. (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/nyregion/the-six-figure-price-tag-for-selling-a-two-dollar-hot-dog.html)

Corporations are not the cause... GOVERNMENT is the problem... it's already really bad. AOC vows to make it worse...

Jake.

corporations runs government. IMO they are actually one and the same in most countries.

[Lost N Found]

Furthermore... the-six-figure-price-tag-for-selling-a-two-dollar-hot-dog. (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/nyregion/the-six-figure-price-tag-for-selling-a-two-dollar-hot-dog.html)

Corporations are not the cause... GOVERNMENT is the problem... it's already really bad. AOC vows to make it worse...

Jake.

corporations runs government. IMO they are actually one and the same in most countries.

So what does US INC mean or USA INC. or many other names that designate a corporation. Searching Dunn and Bradstreet brings up all kinds of incorporated entities and one can find a single politician listed. I searched my County and City Governments and found that every aspect of them is incorporated at Dunn and Bradstreet. Based in Philly I do believe. So to say, Government is just a smoke screen for the giant corporations. Okay Government/Corporations are the cause of most of the crap we live with on this world.

[Jake]

Opinions aside,,, it's government meddling that creates these regulations. We can ACTUALLY POINT TO taxes, regulations, laws, fees,etc,,, that ACTUALLY create hardship for PEOPLE. I don't have a half a million dollars for a hotdog startup... the gubmint makes things much worse.

I am not going to jump on the EVIL CORPERATIONS band wagon... not today. If you think putting gubmint in charge of taking over ALL OF INDUSTRY will result in better wages, better jobs, less homelessness, less greed, happier hippies,,, then it may be time to jump on a unicorn and take the majic rainbow bridge to the land of lollipops and skittles.

Socialism PROMISES to take away my own ability to make my own decisions, and hand them over to government... I don't effing think so...

If that is what folks want, then go ahead and make that decision for YOURSELF... Don't take away MY freedom, or MY liberty because YOU need to be taken care of...

I don't mean YOU, Bubu... I'm only ranting at this point...

AOC lands her a six figure GUBMINT job. Complaining the ENTIRE TIME,, whilst chasing away good jobs for others... TRULY pathetic.

Jake

[Jake]

YYou really can't make this up... (https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/23/ocasio-cortez-senior-staffers-pay-cut-living-wage/)

After landing a fat cat gubmint job, She immediately announced that she is cutting wages of senior staffers to increase the pay of entry level staffers. Not based on qualifications. Look how quick she turned into a little rich girl...

She, literraly,, created awesome paying jobs for government staffers and politicians, while DENYING good jobs for citizens... To what end?

Seriously... To What End??

Jake

[AutumnW]

Opinions aside,,, it's government meddling that creates these regulations. We can ACTUALLY POINT TO taxes, regulations, laws, fees,etc,,, that ACTUALLY create hardship for PEOPLE. I don't have a half a million dollars for a hotdog startup... the gubmint makes things much worse.

I am not going to jump on the EVIL CORPERATIONS band wagon... not today. If you think putting gubmint in charge of taking over ALL OF INDUSTRY will result in better wages, better jobs, less homelessness, less greed, happier hippies,,, then it may be time to jump on a unicorn and take the majic rainbow bridge to the land of lollipops and skittles.

Socialism PROMISES to take away my own ability to make my own decisions, and hand them over to government... I don't effing think so...

If that is what folks want, then go ahead and make that decision for YOURSELF... Don't take away MY freedom, or MY liberty because YOU need to be taken care of...

I don't mean YOU, Bubu... I'm only ranting at this point...

AOC lands her a six figure GUBMINT job. Complaining the ENTIRE TIME,, whilst chasing away good jobs for others... TRULY pathetic.

Jake

It depends what kind of government and how your government chooses to use its own legal system. Large corporations prefer government regulations and lots of them as it makes it impossible for small businesses to gain entry and medium sized businesses can't compete. What you end up with is state sponsored (for lack of better terms) oligarchic corporate control.

Governments need to just generally back off, unless they can easily justify all of their rules and regulations as truly in the public interest. Big corporations won't like it, and on a more local level the bureaucrats won't like it as it would interfere with their Kafkaesque approach to life and endanger their jobs.

Observe those poor sods trying to build a house and all of the unnecessary hoops they have to jump through to get the thing built. So much of this is pork on a local level. The hot dog stand you mention is subject to the same kind of process. The complexity makes it difficult and expensive for individuals to navigate around. It serves those who are already making it big.

The government encourages corporate consolidation of power by failing to enforce their own federal anti-combines act as well. Most mergers and acquisitions that have taken place are not legal by the standards of these laws.

Large corporations have taken over. Make no mistake.

[Jake]

I AM a poor sod, jumping through hoops to make it work. It's not CORPERATION fees and permits and regulations. It's GUBMINT. You can argue that corporate interests do their best to meddle, but ultimately it's the GUBMINT/s (local, state, federal) that enact laws. No?

Even if big business Has taken over. (Not buying it, but just for funzeez..) I still have opportunities, jobs, I vote, I take part in my community, etc.. all of those things are still MY choice, My opportunity. I'd rather deal with that than counting on GOVERNMENT AND POLITICIANS making decisions for me.

[Dennis Leahy]

"She's right about this one issue, but she's an insane idiot on _______________ "<---("everything else", or "these particular issues: ...") would be a lot more persuasive to me.

That would make sense, considering it would probably take a socialist to make that argument in the first place, and then no persuasion would be required.
Really? So, only a "socialist" could make the argument that pillorying Cortez (that almost every response is in this thread has done) is a separate subject, rather than just examining the actual statements she made in the video in the opening post? This is truly astounding, because I made that very observation, and I'm not what any Marxist or political socialist would consider a "socialist." So, I guess you're wrong, and your first sentence appears to simply be an ad hominem.



The risk of corruption is a problem in any system. Well, this is yet another topic that deserves its own thread. Ponder this:


Option 1: Allow the crime syndicate to control the mechanisms (political parties, elections) to fill vacant seats of governance. Result: Virtually everyone in the system is a corrupt mobster, within a syndicate of mobsters. Self-fulfilling "prophecy." Loaded dice. Risk of corruption: 100%.
Option 2: Apply a filtering mechanism to prevent corrupt mobsters from gaining office. Result: The highest-level syndicated corruption is broken. Individuals can be corrupted, (but if we the people were smart, we'd apply additional filters to prevent or minimize the corruptible from being corrupted.) The end result would be vastly less corruption, and critically, not syndicate-wide.


But what is supposed to be the horrible evil of a congressman who, for example, wants legislation to help an industry and personally invest in that industry too? If it was to benefit a specific company, as often happens, then that's undermining competition. But if it's encouraging progress across a whole field, then how would that be bad exactly?Um, conflict of interest? Are you familiar with the concept of someone "recusing" themselves? It's a high integrity move that publicly admits a conflict of interest or prejudice or inability to be objective, and fair.

If you cannot see that congresspersons owning stock in the military industrial complex corporations and then voting (non recusing themselves) for bills that enrich the congressperson via enriching the military industrial complex corporations is a bad idea, I doubt that any other example would help you understand it. It's called war profiteering in this context, but is basically simply stated as conflict of interest and sociopathic self-enrichment.



It's the same as with Trump owning businesses, and then people say, oh, he's only doing this or that to help his own businesses. By implication, it seems that he's supposed to do things that would hurt his sector of the market, just in order to... what, exactly? Virtue signal to socialists who aren't going to vote for him anyway?No, you don't understand the concept of conflict of interest and holding elected officials to a standard of integrity beyond sociopathic self-enrichment. trump is a poor example for you to use - there's not going to be any "Trump Tower Tax Exemption Law" or whatever. Cortez did mention that presidents have even less checks and balances on them and a greater opportunity for corruption, but I would generally disagree with the implications of that statement. I would think that it's a lot easier and sneakier for congresspersons than presidents to get away with insider trading, as one example of corruption. (They legalized insider trading for themselves, so now, is it still corruption to you? To me it is. If they make a law that congresspersons can legally rape children, it might be "legal" but certainly corrupt.)



Wanting a 70% income tax on the upper class is equally, if not even more stupid. I would prefer we left such policies to Europe, so we can suck all of the industry they have left off of their continent. I read articles in French economics all the time about some European company getting the shaft, and being undercut by some American contractor, on anything from tech services to military hardware. I think it's beautiful. But we don't enjoy that competitive supremacy by punishing our entrepreneurs by putting a ceiling on their returns.
"Entrepreneurs" is a disingenuous word to use for multinational corporate heads, military industrial complex corporation heads, and their major stockholders. I know a lot of entrepreneurs, (none of whom are ever going to get within a light-year of the ultra-rich that you mischaracterize as the upper class.) Multimillionaires and billionaires are so far above the upper class in wealth that there is no comparison. Like (Republican, maybe the last real one) Eisenhower did with a 90% top tax bracket - none of the people affected by that tax rate became "middle class" or even "upper class", nor did they stop innovating or lose their entrepreneurial spirit. I think a huge part of the problem in understanding this issue is when a false equivalency is applied to small business owners and multimillionaire/billionaire major corporate investors and heads.

We're at the end of the Monopoly game, and unlike the board game, the ownership of the "hotels" and property is real, and 0.01% own it. Some sort of economic/wealth/property/resources distribution is going to happen. Taxation is the nice way, the guillotine is the not so nice way, but it is going to happen. The ultra rich know it too, and have been guarding and fortifying themselves against it since at least the 1950s in the US (and centuries or even millenia before that around the world.)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Really? So, only a "socialist" could make the argument that pillorying Cortez (that almost every response is in this thread has done) is a separate subject, rather than just examining the actual statements she made in the video in the opening post? This is truly astounding, because I made that very observation, and I'm not what any Marxist or political socialist would consider a "socialist." So, I guess you're wrong, and your first sentence appears to simply be an ad hominem.

No, I was commenting that the idea that someone would have to incorporate more socialist ideas into their posts in order to better convince you that she's nuts, would not result in any real persuasion, because you obviously already agree with those positions that you want to see more of.


Well, this is yet another topic that deserves its own thread. Ponder this:


Option 1: Allow the crime syndicate to control the mechanisms (political parties, elections) to fill vacant seats of governance. Result: Virtually everyone in the system is a corrupt mobster, within a syndicate of mobsters. Self-fulfilling "prophecy." Loaded dice. Risk of corruption: 100%.
Option 2: Apply a filtering mechanism to prevent corrupt mobsters from gaining office. Result: The highest-level syndicated corruption is broken. Individuals can be corrupted, (but if we the people were smart, we'd apply additional filters to prevent or minimize the corruptible from being corrupted.) The end result would be vastly less corruption, and critically, not syndicate-wide.



Both of these solutions rely on government to fix the government, yes?

Think outside of the box, Dennis. The founders had some different ideas about this. Have you ever read them?



But what is supposed to be the horrible evil of a congressman who, for example, wants legislation to help an industry and personally invest in that industry too? If it was to benefit a specific company, as often happens, then that's undermining competition. But if it's encouraging progress across a whole field, then how would that be bad exactly?Um, conflict of interest? Are you familiar with the concept of someone "recusing" themselves? It's a high integrity move that publicly admits a conflict of interest or prejudice or inability to be objective, and fair.

Where is the crime in facilitating whole sectors of industry? Like I said, make a distinct here between helping one company, which is corruption, and helping a whole sector of the economy. According to your way of thinking, helping competing businesses all prosper, without distinction of one company over another, is somehow immoral or something.


If you cannot see that congresspersons owning stock in the military industrial complex corporations and then voting (non recusing themselves) for bills that enrich the congressperson via enriching the military industrial complex corporations is a bad idea, I doubt that any other example would help you understand it. It's called war profiteering in this context, but is basically simply stated as conflict of interest and sociopathic self-enrichment.

I think you missed the part of my posts about not enriching specific companies, which is cronyism. If your argument here is too broad, it would mean that improving the economy at all can be construed as Trump having a conflict of interest. You realize that, right?


I would think that it's a lot easier and sneakier for congresspersons than presidents to get away with insider trading, as one example of corruption.

The reason insider trading is illegal is because it screws over the other stockholders investing in those companies, not because evil capitalists made money. It's a completely different issue from our most prominent citizens being allowed to make money from honest transactions while in office, and even vote on business-friendly legislation that would help others as well as themselves.

Remember the old dichotomy of "service to self" vs. "service to others"? I once saw a very good argument that "service to others" should really state "service to all," because it's not the point to abuse yourself just to show everyone else how great you are.




Wanting a 70% income tax on the upper class is equally, if not even more stupid. I would prefer we left such policies to Europe, so we can suck all of the industry they have left off of their continent. I read articles in French economics all the time about some European company getting the shaft, and being undercut by some American contractor, on anything from tech services to military hardware. I think it's beautiful. But we don't enjoy that competitive supremacy by punishing our entrepreneurs by putting a ceiling on their returns.
"Entrepreneurs" is a disingenuous word to use for multinational corporate heads, military industrial complex corporation heads, and their major stockholders.

It would be disingenuous if that's who I was talking about, but those people don't pay taxes, so they obviously aren't who I was talking about, are they?

Small business owners are the ones that get screwed by high taxes. Start-ups, mom-and-pop businesses, etc. Those are the ones you stab in the gut with these 70% tax rates, not the bankers or military contractors, who use loopholes and offshore tax havens.

So what happens when you stick small business owners and entrepreneurs with 70% tax rates? Remember my thread on increasing unemployment and inflation in NY?


I know a lot of entrepreneurs, (none of whom are ever going to get within a light-year of the ultra-rich that you mischaracterize as the upper class.) Multimillionaires and billionaires are so far above the upper class in wealth that there is no comparison.

I didn't equate these two groups anywhere in my posts. If you read more carefully it's been very clear for a long time on here that I don't equate entrepreneurs and most business owners with the people who run the world.

You think your policies are aimed at Rothschilds and Rockefellers, and yet the only people you would end up destroying are employers and thereby the middle class. This is why socialist utopias don't have middle classes: only ultra-rich and ultra-poor.

[Dennis Leahy]

Really? So, only a "socialist" could make the argument that pillorying Cortez (that almost every response is in this thread has done) is a separate subject, rather than just examining the actual statements she made in the video in the opening post? This is truly astounding, because I made that very observation, and I'm not what any Marxist or political socialist would consider a "socialist." So, I guess you're wrong, and your first sentence appears to simply be an ad hominem.

No, I was commenting that the idea that someone would have to incorporate more socialist ideas into their posts in order to better convince you that she's nuts, would not result in any real persuasion, because you obviously already agree with those positions that you want to see more of.


Well, this is yet another topic that deserves its own thread. Ponder this:



Option 1: Allow the crime syndicate to control the mechanisms (political parties, elections) to fill vacant seats of governance. Result: Virtually everyone in the system is a corrupt mobster, within a syndicate of mobsters. Self-fulfilling "prophecy." Loaded dice. Risk of corruption: 100%.
Option 2: Apply a filtering mechanism to prevent corrupt mobsters from gaining office. Result: The highest-level syndicated corruption is broken. Individuals can be corrupted, (but if we the people were smart, we'd apply additional filters to prevent or minimize the corruptible from being corrupted.) The end result would be vastly less corruption, and critically, not syndicate-wide.


Both of these solutions rely on government to fix the government, yes?

Think outside of the box, Dennis. The founders had some different ideas about this. Have you ever read them?



But what is supposed to be the horrible evil of a congressman who, for example, wants legislation to help an industry and personally invest in that industry too? If it was to benefit a specific company, as often happens, then that's undermining competition. But if it's encouraging progress across a whole field, then how would that be bad exactly?Um, conflict of interest? Are you familiar with the concept of someone "recusing" themselves? It's a high integrity move that publicly admits a conflict of interest or prejudice or inability to be objective, and fair.Where is the crime in facilitating whole sectors of industry? Like I said, make a distinct here between helping one company, which is corruption, and helping a whole sector of the economy. According to your way of thinking, helping competing businesses all prosper, without distinction of one company over another, is somehow immoral or something.


If you cannot see that congresspersons owning stock in the military industrial complex corporations and then voting (non recusing themselves) for bills that enrich the congressperson via enriching the military industrial complex corporations is a bad idea, I doubt that any other example would help you understand it. It's called war profiteering in this context, but is basically simply stated as conflict of interest and sociopathic self-enrichment.I think you missed the part of my posts about not enriching specific companies, which is cronyism. If your argument here is too broad, it would mean that improving the economy at all can be construed as Trump having a conflict of interest. You realize that, right?


I would think that it's a lot easier and sneakier for congresspersons than presidents to get away with insider trading, as one example of corruption.The reason insider trading is illegal is because it screws over the other stockholders investing in those companies, not because evil capitalists made money. It's a completely different issue from our most prominent citizens being allowed to make money from honest transactions while in office, and even vote on business-friendly legislation that would help others as well as themselves.

Remember the old dichotomy of "service to self" vs. "service to others"? I once saw a very good argument that "service to others" should really state "service to all," because it's not the point to abuse yourself just to show everyone else how great you are.




Wanting a 70% income tax on the upper class is equally, if not even more stupid. I would prefer we left such policies to Europe, so we can suck all of the industry they have left off of their continent. I read articles in French economics all the time about some European company getting the shaft, and being undercut by some American contractor, on anything from tech services to military hardware. I think it's beautiful. But we don't enjoy that competitive supremacy by punishing our entrepreneurs by putting a ceiling on their returns.
"Entrepreneurs" is a disingenuous word to use for multinational corporate heads, military industrial complex corporation heads, and their major stockholders.It would be disingenuous if that's who I was talking about, but those people don't pay taxes, so they obviously aren't who I was talking about, are they?

Small business owners are the ones that get screwed by high taxes. Start-ups, mom-and-pop businesses, etc. Those are the ones you stab in the gut with these 70% tax rates, not the bankers or military contractors, who use loopholes and offshore tax havens.

So what happens when you stick small business owners and entrepreneurs with 70% tax rates? Remember my thread on increasing unemployment and inflation in NY?


I know a lot of entrepreneurs, (none of whom are ever going to get within a light-year of the ultra-rich that you mischaracterize as the upper class.) Multimillionaires and billionaires are so far above the upper class in wealth that there is no comparison.I didn't equate these two groups anywhere in my posts. If you read more carefully it's been very clear for a long time on here that I don't equate entrepreneurs and most business owners with the people who run the world.

You think your policies are aimed at Rothschilds and Rockefellers, and yet the only people you would end up destroying are employers and thereby the middle class. This is why socialist utopias don't have middle classes: only ultra-rich and ultra-poor.

Respectfully, Voice, I'm not going to take the time to reply to your replies. Your replies show me you are paying no attention to the substance of what I have written. You sidestepped every point I made, throw in another jab that you think I'm socialist, and offer strawman points (such as levying 70% tax on small business, an utterly ridiculous notion.) This isn't a conversation. You have to use ears, not just a Voice, to have a conversation.

[Jake]

:muscle:not going to reply to the reply was the reply? Wow... I really thought I had the inside track on being obtuse in this thread...

[Dennis Leahy]

not going to reply to the reply was the reply? Wow...
Well, read what I wrote and what was replied, and see if you think it's a dialog, or if it is something else. Even what little was on-point in his reply was excusing insider trading by corrupt elected officials, not even grasping the concept of conflict of interest directly resulting in sociopathic self-enrichment at the expense of the nation and we the people being corrupt.

I'm not discussing theoretical forms of governance or anarchy in this thread. The thread is about remarks made by a person. The remarks are true, even if the person is the stupidest meat suit ever to have attained a high office (which would be a different thread.) Cortez is talking about the actual government that the USA has right now, and pointing out obvious corruption (https://www.investmentu.com/article/detail/55695/why-congressional-insider-trading-legal-profitable). Why isn't the corruption (that the despised person is pointing out) the topic? My guess is that many people were triggered by having it be Cortez (identity politics) speaking the truth about systemic corruption. Thus my comment, "live and learn from fools and from sages."

[Jake]

not going to reply to the reply was the reply? Wow...
Well, read what I wrote and what was replied, and see if you think it's a dialog, or if it is something else. Even what little was on-point in his reply was excusing insider trading by corrupt elected officials, not even grasping the concept of conflict of interest directly resulting in sociopathic self-enrichment at the expense of the nation and we the people being corrupt.

I'm not discussing theoretical forms of governance or anarchy in this thread. The thread is about remarks made by a person. The remarks are true, even if the person is the stupidest meat suit ever to have attained a high office (which would be a different thread.) Cortez is talking about the actual government that the USA has right now, and pointing out obvious corruption (https://www.investmentu.com/article/detail/55695/why-congressional-insider-trading-legal-profitable). Why isn't the corruption (that the despised person is pointing out) the topic? My guess is that many people were triggered by having it be Cortez (identity politics) speaking the truth about systemic corruption. Thus my comment, "live and learn from fools and from sages."

I thought you were both making decent points. Forum conversations are, many times, quite Spotty. I didn't think that the substance of your post wasn't understood. I LOVE giving backhanded jabs in my plethora of wordings. Therefore, I know them when I see them.

Voice. Of course you listen... I can See that.

To me, AOC is the village idiot. Pointing at the village idiot, and saying "hey, there's an idiot." Is perfectly accaptable. It's not being triggered, it's pointing out the obvious...

I'm probably wrong...
Jake

[Jake]

I'm gonna check out of this discussion. If the thread is about things AOC has said,,,, then it will become quite impossible to not point and laugh. I took the time to read the Green New Deal. (Raspberry)

She proposes a plan that (admittedly) will have little effect in by 2050,,, to fix a problem that (admittedly)will DESTROY us within a span of TWELVE years...

Again,, if this thread is about what AOC "ACTUALLY SAYS",,, then there WILL BE finger pointing and carrying on.

I would be ALL FOR sending her to MARS, to deal with the OBVIOUS climate change there...

[TargeT]

then it will become quite impossible to not point and laugh


Yup....

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She has interesting ways of speaking in front of cameras....
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[Dennis Leahy]

I'm gonna check out of this discussion. If the thread is about things AOC has said,,,, then it will become quite impossible to not point and laugh. I took the time to read the Green New Deal. (Raspberry)

She proposes a plan that (admittedly) will have little effect in by 2050,,, to fix a problem that (admittedly)will DESTROY us within a span of TWELVE years...

Again,, if this thread is about what AOC "ACTUALLY SAYS",,, then there WILL BE finger pointing and carrying on.

I would be ALL FOR sending her to MARS, to deal with the OBVIOUS climate change there...
Obviously, an "AO Cortez's idiotic statements" or "The Green New Deal is crap", and other variants would be hot topics at Avalon.


"Again,, if this thread is about what AOC "ACTUALLY SAYS",,," But the thread title, the opening post, and the video in the opening post are all about exposing the dark side of politics, with specific types of governmental corruption highlighted. It's a good topic, I think, but even if I didn't think so, it's still the topic that was posted.

The Avalon mods routinely split a topic, like this current thread, when it becomes obvious that there is a fork in the road resulting in 2 different topics and not just different sides to a topic. This topic has split into
"AOC is a moron"
and
"Exposing the Dark Side of Politics"
They are both valid topics.

Someone should start a topic on the Green New Deal itself, and examine it, too. Maybe there is one really intelligent idea in the GND surrounded by 500 bad ideas - I don't know, I don't read partisan propaganda until it seems like it might actually be important to do so. So, I'd be a poor choice to start that thread.

I have personally tried* not to get sucked-in to what is referred to as "identity politics", for several reasons, including that I believe that at least 90% and probably closer to 100% of politicians in the US government - elected and appointed positions - are agents of Empire. So, all I would do is rail at ALL of them, Ds and Rs. Plus, they are all temporary.

After taking 3 steps back and trying hard to focus simply on the issues and policies and laws rather than the people/personalities/celebrities - which made a lot of sense to me because the people come and go but the policies and laws (such as the 'Patriot Act') are in place until overturned or modified - I realized that for me, even that isn't far enough back in the flow chart. I'm focused on how to wipe the chessboard clean of Empire's agents and Empire's mechanisms of control, and to not just allow the same powerful misanthropes to regain power. I encourage Avalon members to create topics about the personalities that they feel need public dissection. I encourage Avalon members to create topics about the issues that they feel need public dissection.


*(and I failed miserably when it came to hillary, bernie, mccain, haley, trump, netanyahu, bolton, etc. I get it - when the personalities are making evil policies and laws, it's near impossible to ignore them or not be triggered by them. I have blasted all of these personalities elsewhere, and I see Avalon as a place for more in-depth discussion than drive-by memes - which is how places like faceboog operate.)

[Jake]

Posted by Dennis
The thread is about remarks made by a person. The remarks are true, even if the person is the stupidest meat suit ever to have attained a high office

Ahem..

Again, if this thread is about "remarks made by a person... etc.." AND i can't point and laugh at "the stupidest meatsuit ever" then I have to check out.

Cheers
Jake

[AutumnW]

Frankly, Many of the videos and comments about Cortez seem to be part of an organized smear campaign, albeit unwitting on the part of many who believe everything that the Alt right comes out with. God forbid Americans have their massive military budget cut and replaced by universal healthcare.

[TargeT]

Frankly, Many of the videos and comments about Cortez seem to be part of an organized smear campaign, albeit unwitting on the part of many who believe everything that the Alt right comes out with. God forbid Americans have their massive military budget cut and replaced by universal healthcare.

what is the alt right?

Is that a real thing? I pay a lot of attention to this stuff, if ever there was an organized smear campaign; it was anything that involved the nebulous term "alt right".


seriously, these videos are criticizing things she has said, and very very recently. I don't know how this can be seen as a smear, it's commentary on what this newly elected individual has said.


for example (look at her recent tweets!!!):
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[Jake]

:silent::silent::silent::silent::silent::silent:

(Don't wanna hurt anyone's little feelings.)

[Praxis]

I'm gonna check out of this discussion. If the thread is about things AOC has said,,,, then it will become quite impossible to not point and laugh. I took the time to read the Green New Deal. (Raspberry)

She proposes a plan that (admittedly) will have little effect in by 2050,,, to fix a problem that (admittedly)will DESTROY us within a span of TWELVE years...

Again,, if this thread is about what AOC "ACTUALLY SAYS",,, then there WILL BE finger pointing and carrying on.

I would be ALL FOR sending her to MARS, to deal with the OBVIOUS climate change there...
Obviously, an "AO Cortez's idiotic statements" or "The Green New Deal is crap", and other variants would be hot topics at Avalon.


"Again,, if this thread is about what AOC "ACTUALLY SAYS",,," But the thread title, the opening post, and the video in the opening post are all about exposing the dark side of politics, with specific types of governmental corruption highlighted. It's a good topic, I think, but even if I didn't think so, it's still the topic that was posted.

The Avalon mods routinely split a topic, like this current thread, when it becomes obvious that there is a fork in the road resulting in 2 different topics and not just different sides to a topic. This topic has split into
"AOC is a moron"
and
"Exposing the Dark Side of Politics"
They are both valid topics.

Someone should start a topic on the Green New Deal itself, and examine it, too. Maybe there is one really intelligent idea in the GND surrounded by 500 bad ideas - I don't know, I don't read partisan propaganda until it seems like it might actually be important to do so. So, I'd be a poor choice to start that thread.

I have personally tried* not to get sucked-in to what is referred to as "identity politics", for several reasons, including that I believe that at least 90% and probably closer to 100% of politicians in the US government - elected and appointed positions - are agents of Empire. So, all I would do is rail at ALL of them, Ds and Rs. Plus, they are all temporary.

After taking 3 steps back and trying hard to focus simply on the issues and policies and laws rather than the people/personalities/celebrities - which made a lot of sense to me because the people come and go but the policies and laws (such as the 'Patriot Act') are in place until overturned or modified - I realized that for me, even that isn't far enough back in the flow chart. I'm focused on how to wipe the chessboard clean of Empire's agents and Empire's mechanisms of control, and to not just allow the same powerful misanthropes to regain power. I encourage Avalon members to create topics about the personalities that they feel need public dissection. I encourage Avalon members to create topics about the issues that they feel need public dissection.


*(and I failed miserably when it came to hillary, bernie, mccain, haley, trump, netanyahu, bolton, etc. I get it - when the personalities are making evil policies and laws, it's near impossible to ignore them or not be triggered by them. I have blasted all of these personalities elsewhere, and I see Avalon as a place for more in-depth discussion than drive-by memes - which is how places like faceboog operate.)

I love your eternal optimism Dennis.

I love that after all your effort and thougtfulness what you get in return is stuff like this

"Ahem..

Again, if this thread is about "remarks made by a person... etc.." AND i can't point and laugh at "the stupidest meatsuit ever" then I have to check out.
"

Not worth engaging.

Too many proud boys on this website now

[Jake]

I'm gonna check out of this discussion. If the thread is about things AOC has said,,,, then it will become quite impossible to not point and laugh. I took the time to read the Green New Deal. (Raspberry)

She proposes a plan that (admittedly) will have little effect in by 2050,,, to fix a problem that (admittedly)will DESTROY us within a span of TWELVE years...

Again,, if this thread is about what AOC "ACTUALLY SAYS",,, then there WILL BE finger pointing and carrying on.

I would be ALL FOR sending her to MARS, to deal with the OBVIOUS climate change there...
Obviously, an "AO Cortez's idiotic statements" or "The Green New Deal is crap", and other variants would be hot topics at Avalon.


"Again,, if this thread is about what AOC "ACTUALLY SAYS",,," But the thread title, the opening post, and the video in the opening post are all about exposing the dark side of politics, with specific types of governmental corruption highlighted. It's a good topic, I think, but even if I didn't think so, it's still the topic that was posted.

The Avalon mods routinely split a topic, like this current thread, when it becomes obvious that there is a fork in the road resulting in 2 different topics and not just different sides to a topic. This topic has split into
"AOC is a moron"
and
"Exposing the Dark Side of Politics"
They are both valid topics.

Someone should start a topic on the Green New Deal itself, and examine it, too. Maybe there is one really intelligent idea in the GND surrounded by 500 bad ideas - I don't know, I don't read partisan propaganda until it seems like it might actually be important to do so. So, I'd be a poor choice to start that thread.

I have personally tried* not to get sucked-in to what is referred to as "identity politics", for several reasons, including that I believe that at least 90% and probably closer to 100% of politicians in the US government - elected and appointed positions - are agents of Empire. So, all I would do is rail at ALL of them, Ds and Rs. Plus, they are all temporary.

After taking 3 steps back and trying hard to focus simply on the issues and policies and laws rather than the people/personalities/celebrities - which made a lot of sense to me because the people come and go but the policies and laws (such as the 'Patriot Act') are in place until overturned or modified - I realized that for me, even that isn't far enough back in the flow chart. I'm focused on how to wipe the chessboard clean of Empire's agents and Empire's mechanisms of control, and to not just allow the same powerful misanthropes to regain power. I encourage Avalon members to create topics about the personalities that they feel need public dissection. I encourage Avalon members to create topics about the issues that they feel need public dissection.


*(and I failed miserably when it came to hillary, bernie, mccain, haley, trump, netanyahu, bolton, etc. I get it - when the personalities are making evil policies and laws, it's near impossible to ignore them or not be triggered by them. I have blasted all of these personalities elsewhere, and I see Avalon as a place for more in-depth discussion than drive-by memes - which is how places like faceboog operate.)

I love your eternal optimism Dennis.

I love that after all your effort and thougtfulness what you get in return is stuff like this

"Ahem..

Again, if this thread is about "remarks made by a person... etc.." AND i can't point and laugh at "the stupidest meatsuit ever" then I have to check out.
"

Not worth engaging.

Too many proud boys on this website now

It's gonna take much more than optimism to clear a path for the antics that AOC is pulling. I'm being obtuse on purpose. Dennis knows that.

Huffing and puffing about SUBSTANCE in a discussion about AOC seems a bit ironic...

If there is a sacred cow that I don't know about, feel free to share. I'm all ears.

Things have gone terribly wrong here.... See ya in another couple of years, Avalon.

Jake smacks his forehead...

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks: this is my first visit to this thread. (Do please note: like quite a few non-Americans in the community here, I don't feel I really know enough in depth about American politics to contribute meaningfully or helpfully.)

But as a librarian, and a librarian only, I wanted to find and offer the YT version of the original video that was embedded in the Huffpost article in post#1 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-campaign-finance_us_5c5d246be4b03afe8d6637ff). That means it can be easily downloaded for reference, as I often do myself. Here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_gxiMTIudA

[TargeT]

Ahh, umm...

I guess if one doesn't understand the "fraternity like" structure of the house of representatives, then these actions don't seem so strange.

they are though.
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She seems to be openly trying to influence the entirety of the elected (D) congressional representatives?

how many people actually elected her (literally 15,897 people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez)......)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Respectfully, Voice, I'm not going to take the time to reply to your replies. Your replies show me you are paying no attention to the substance of what I have written. You sidestepped every point I made, throw in another jab that you think I'm socialist, and offer strawman points (such as levying 70% tax on small business, an utterly ridiculous notion.) This isn't a conversation. You have to use ears, not just a Voice, to have a conversation.

You say I'm not taking the time to pay attention and reply to your posts, but at least I replied. Backing out of the conversation after I went point-by-point through yours doesn't seem to be in the spirit of an exchange of ideas. If I don't understand what you posted, then I wonder how difficult it would be to correct a misunderstanding.

I assume you are socialist because you clearly appear to defend socialism in various threads. You don't have to admit anything. I simply make very basic observations, such as the fact that the wealthiest people don't pay taxes anyway.

And that is the heart of the problem with your philosophy: You think that a 70% tax rate will hurt people like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds when high tax rates have clearly never hurt them as much as they have hurt the middle classes.


Check out how many American voters are "comfortable" with socialism in this recent MSM poll:

https://i.postimg.cc/vBtrWTdf/soc.png

[TargeT]

Well, this might have been a huge flash in the pan eh?


Is this blow back from AOC challenging the established Dem's??

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Tax on wallstreet transactions.... well Im not against it, but who it comes from may be damaging the message.
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Some hypocrisy connected to taxes. some "the environment".... this girl has no finesse, she's not being different than most politicians, just a bit more sloppy.
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[Lost N Found]

Thanks TargeT, here is some more that falls into your above post.

BREAKING: @AOC & her chief of staff are looking at possible serious prison sentences over major violations in election law. Coordinating with a PAC that supports you in an election is illegal. AOC ran the PAC, which is worse than coordinating with a PAC. AOC denies violations.
FEC Complaint: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Aide Hid $1 Million

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD1ol_U6dMQ

Some of us were so taken aback by the sheer lack of knowledge, experience, and common sense—not to mention the unabashed radical platform of Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez—that we thought she must be a plant by the good guys. Comedic sensationalism to make a point in the theatre of the absurd.

It’s looking like we misjudged the script. She was a plant all right—by the left, if this video can be believed. How predictable.

She answered a “casting call”. We also saw an ad on Craig’s List for Ruth Bader Ginsburg look-alikes followed by published footage of a marvelous stand-in walking around in her clothes but with head held high—which we know Ruth could physically no longer do.

(BTW, Google has buried that story so it doesn’t come up in the searches—like every other relevant piece of information we might want to know. Only propaganda and approved content get top billing now.)

The deep state operatives don’t even try to hide their machinations any longer because they have nothing left to lose. They’re going to use their trusty old formulaic script yet again, no matter how outrageous.

Despite the motives, education or background of a candidate, we know what can be accomplished with deep state backing. They soundly back every major player and false flag perpetrator all the way with funding, coaching, and a personalized script. Props are plentiful and weapons, drugs, or friendly voting machines supplied where required.

Did you think QAnon was being flippant when he suggested we are watching a movie? Ha! No truer words were ever written.

It’s what they’ve always done but now we’re onto them. In the past it’s all been scripted, planned, carefully orchestrated, but the actors aren’t the stars they believe they are. They will be famous, however. INfamous.

There weren’t any sane writers left when this AOC screenplay came out so they settled for the “B” route. “Green New Deal”? Eliminating air travel? Trains to Hawai’i? Even Hollywood special effects can’t make these pipe dreams real. These people live in a dream world. They’re lunatics.

The control freaks have truly lost it and the absurdity can’t help but wake people up to the deception.

Yes, the democrat party is going down. Get your popcorn and keep watching. AOC will be a box office flop—no sequels, please. ~ BP

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was appointed – not elected
AOC’s arrogance implies an invisible hand

This creature came from nowhere and speaks arrogantly of being the new boss in the Democrat Party, telling even Joe Lieberman that his time is past. Where does her cockiness come from? The following video will start to unmask AOC and her invisible backers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbtcgiH6MnQ

Don’t look at her stupidity and take her as being inconsequential. That is the mistake America made with another blank slate named Obama.

The Marxism this creature is forcing into the American system is as deadly as a rattlesnake. We need to unmask her and her backers at every opportunity. We need to put a spotlight on her. Evil hates light because light reveals the truth.
Let the unmasking begin!

Here’s Josh Bernstein’s view:
FRAUDS EXPOSED: AOC found thru Casting Call! 5 Dems recruited-Political equivalent of Spice Girls!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsObPEj9ZAY

[ramus]

Did you know that when she saw that Amazon had a river named after it , is wanted Google to have one too.;)

[TargeT]

more on the "casting couch" issue

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[Valerie Villars]

Target, I wanted to thank you for the above video "The Brains Behind AOC". I had no idea there were casting calls for democratic congressmen and women and that AOC was chosen to be a mouthpiece for a certain agenda.

The presentation on the video was excellent.

At this point, almost everything I see happening is sending us down a slippery slope. The slope of politics is covered in ice and is going downhill very quickly. What a day and age.

[Deux Corbeaux]

And now the other “sister in arms”, Ilhan Omar.
Who or what is she really?

Glenn Beck takes a closer look at Representative Omar, accusations made against her and the relationship between CAIR and Hamas.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SeM3rQf0gA

[conk]

What about the dark side of this insane commie puppet?! Look into who backs her and why she came out of nowhere.

[section9]

Remember as Avalonians, one of the great blessings and curses of this site is that every day is a Red Pill.

Ocasio-Cortez isn’t her own woman, nor are the Justice Democrats for Whom she is a Front. There are wealthy and interconnected Oligarchs behind this entire effort, and party and ideological labels are the least of their concerns.

[RunningDeer]

Part II: The Brains Behind AOC (20 minutes)
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more on the "casting couch" issue


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[TargeT]

Oh man... This has me crying; I definitely lost the YLYL game.
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[TargeT]

hmmmmmm

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[A Voice from the Mountains]

Remember as Avalonians, one of the great blessings and curses of this site is that every day is a Red Pill.

Ocasio-Cortez isn’t her own woman, nor are the Justice Democrats for Whom she is a Front. There are wealthy and interconnected Oligarchs behind this entire effort, and party and ideological labels are the least of their concerns.

The same wealthy oligarchs who don't pay any taxes, but want to force outrageous tax rates on everyone else. You know, the champions of the middle class. :rolleyes:


After over 80 years now of heavy indoctrination campaigns, I'm surprised that only about a quarter of the country has taken the bait, especially considering things like this:


Karl Marx is the most assigned economist in U.S. college classes

’Communist Manifesto’ appears in more than 3,000 college course syllabi, researchers find

More than 25 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the onset of market-economy practices in China, “The Communist Manifesto” still ranks among the three most frequently assigned texts at American universities.

That’s according to data from Open Syllabus Project, which tracks books and other works assigned to students in more than 1 million syllabi.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/communist-manifesto-among-top-three-books-assigned-in-college-2016-01-27

For a bit of biographical info, Karl Marx, the legend, could never even support himself financially (which made him a brilliant economist), lived off of the financial support of a wealthy industrialist, ruthlessly screwed over his own parents, and to top off his caricature-like existence, had some disease that caused painful warts all over his body. Just painting a picture here. A hero to millions.

http://www.onthisdeity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Karl_Marx.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA2lCBJu2Gg

[WhiteFeather]

This woman is insane... how did she get elected?
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That is a very good question. I didn't vote for her. She may of slipped through the cracks. This woman is a real piece if sh.. t IMO.