What are soul groups, what is above them, and can they be integrated?

[johnf]

Okay this thread is a child of post #178 the thread, I am the true Christ, any questions.
It is meant to be an exploration of the idea of soul groups, and any other concept that can help explain how a diverse group of people can share a common higher purpose, and how they might be working together through consecutive lives, and possibly on higher spiritual levels. Please be respectful of opposing beliefs, and try to use I believe, I feel, language,
this is a kind of exploration of why we are here, where we came from ,and what can we do about all of that. There are several posts on the other thread that might give someone an idea of what we are looking for, as well as some background.
We might come up with more rules as we go along to stay on track and keep all body parts intact.


Please don't post here without looking at the other thread, at least until the conversation gets going again over here, then it will be easier to see what we are trying to do.


John

[Bubu]

Hey Johnf, if you look around you'll see faces of sadness and suffering, I believe we first have to think of ways to improve the lives of those around us before worrying about the past and future lives. I feel that being in the company of unhappy people is not a very good experience because their negative vibes will mess up with yours. But that's just me. Ok so this is off topic I have nothing to contribute to what you wanted to discuss. I am just looking at the big picture of what and how this thread will impact our daily lives at the moment.

[johnf]

Hey Johnf, if you look around you'll see faces of sadness and suffering, I believe we first have to think of ways to improve the lives of those around us before worrying about the past and future lives. I feel that being in the company of unhappy people is not a very good experience because their negative vibes will mess up with yours. But that's just me. Ok so this is off topic I have nothing to contribute to what you wanted to discuss. I am just looking at the big picture of what and how this thread will impact our daily lives at the moment.


You might want to look at the other thread, the last two pages I think is where we came to an interest in this topic. I think that in general it has to do with the fact that we are more than just human, and have higher purposes in common.


Really my purpose here is to try to apply the new testament quote, whenever two or more gather in my name I also will be there.
I have a specific understanding of that quote that I have experienced with most people I have interacted with, and that is that basically, a new larger being is present behind the everyday circumstances of every group and relationship we have. And that the potential of freeing our selves from suffering is with us whenever we meet with someone who also has this purpose. That is a very loose definition, and is probably not what most would call a soul group, but many people have run into others in their lives that had a very deep effect on them, and it might have led them to a spiritual search, either together, or separately, on their own. Some people

may not believe in past lives, or care about them but there are those in this group that do and we ask for those beliefs to be respected. We might discuss those in an attempt to get to some real relieving of suffering.


John

[Denise/Dizi]

Hey Johnf, if you look around you'll see faces of sadness and suffering, I believe we first have to think of ways to improve the lives of those around us before worrying about the past and future lives. I feel that being in the company of unhappy people is not a very good experience because their negative vibes will mess up with yours. But that's just me. Ok so this is off topic I have nothing to contribute to what you wanted to discuss. I am just looking at the big picture of what and how this thread will impact our daily lives at the moment.

You make a great point Bubu... Thanks for adding to the conversation..

That's is exactly where we were heading with the other thread, if I read the direction properly.. The whole thought behind this thread is to tackle MANY subjects, one at a time, so that we don't get any confusion as to where we are trying to GO with it.

If I understand where we left off, it was with what John notes above. Soul groups coming together for a BIGGER PURPOSE. All waking up at the same time so that we CAN learn who we are, what we're capable of, and then as such, actually do something with it.

The subject is vast and wide.. This just happens to be where we jumped off the truck.. And YES. I do believe as such, we are planning to take the wisdoms passed down through the times, try to figure it out, and then try to HELP the world in some way with it. I think we all are of the opinion, whatever we are doing now, it certainly hasn't been working for us so why NOT try to take it to the next level?

But to do so, we need to now what that IS, and figuring that out, requires participation and discussion of ideals, beliefs, information.

[Denise/Dizi]

Okay this thread is a child of post #178 the thread, I am the true Christ, any questions.
It is meant to be an exploration of the idea of soul groups, and any other concept that can help explain how a diverse group of people can share a common higher purpose, and how they might be working together through consecutive lives, and possibly on higher spiritual levels. Please be respectful of opposing beliefs, and try to use I believe, I feel, language,
this is a kind of exploration of why we are here, where we came from ,and what can we do about all of that. There are several posts on the other thread that might give someone an idea of what we are looking for, as well as some background.
We might come up with more rules as we go along to stay on track and keep all body parts intact.


John

I like that this is the direction you chose.. I think it lines right up with where we left off.. I tend to believe that the phrase means exactly the same thing as you have concluded. If you get two or more like together, then they also come.. (I say they loosely here).. than your ability to affect change can be enhanced..


The question I would have then is .. Are people that are having their "Awakening" now having it, because we have all the same mindset, and as such we are being reached back to as a collective? Are we a group that was sent here for such a thing?

Are all the members of Avalon part of that, as they're all awake as well? I suppose I don't want to wander off topic But I agree with that statement.. so I am not sure where to go with that..

[we-R-one]

Hey Johnf, if you look around you'll see faces of sadness and suffering, I believe we first have to think of ways to improve the lives of those around us before worrying about the past and future lives. I feel that being in the company of unhappy people is not a very good experience because their negative vibes will mess up with yours. But that's just me. Ok so this is off topic I have nothing to contribute to what you wanted to discuss. I am just looking at the big picture of what and how this thread will impact our daily lives at the moment.

If people took the time to study their past lives they would find opportunities to 'heal' themselves. When you 'heal' yourself you help change the energetic foundation of a reality for the better because your body is energy. When you explore case studies you will see people who are healing themselves by finding out who they were and the challenges they faced. The key is changing the energetic foundation in order to change the reality, a handful of people cannot do this, people need to learn to 'save themselves' and stop thinking they're victims. How are you a victim if this reality isn't what's real? That is what reincarnation teaches you. I'm looking at the big picture too and part of getting an understanding of the big picture is knowing who I once was.


Any solution based ideology should keep this quote in mind:

"....To understand the true nature of the universe, one must think it terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” - Nikola Tesla

[Bubu]

Hey Johnf, if you look around you'll see faces of sadness and suffering, I believe we first have to think of ways to improve the lives of those around us before worrying about the past and future lives. I feel that being in the company of unhappy people is not a very good experience because their negative vibes will mess up with yours. But that's just me. Ok so this is off topic I have nothing to contribute to what you wanted to discuss. I am just looking at the big picture of what and how this thread will impact our daily lives at the moment.


You might want to look at the other thread, the last two pages I think is where we came to an interest in this topic. I think that in general it has to do with the fact that we are more than just human, and have higher purposes in common.


Really my purpose here is to try to apply the new testament quote, whenever two or more gather in my name I also will be there.
I have a specific understanding of that quote that I have experienced with most people I have interacted with, and that is that basically, a new larger being is present behind the everyday circumstances of every group and relationship we have. And that the potential of freeing our selves from suffering is with us whenever we meet with someone who also has this purpose. That is a very loose definition, and is probably not what most would call a soul group, but many people have run into others in their lives that had a very deep effect on them, and it might have led them to a spiritual search, either together, or separately, on their own. Some people

may not believe in past lives, or care about them but there are those in this group that do and we ask for those beliefs to be respected. We might discuss those in an attempt to get to some real relieving of suffering.


John

I see your point. But is it actually some higher being out there or is it the soul group that makes the magic. Yes I have experience this phenomena of group making wonders thus in business a corporation has many advantage over a single proprietorship.

[Bubu]

Hey Johnf, if you look around you'll see faces of sadness and suffering, I believe we first have to think of ways to improve the lives of those around us before worrying about the past and future lives. I feel that being in the company of unhappy people is not a very good experience because their negative vibes will mess up with yours. But that's just me. Ok so this is off topic I have nothing to contribute to what you wanted to discuss. I am just looking at the big picture of what and how this thread will impact our daily lives at the moment.

If people took the time to study their past lives they would find opportunities to 'heal' themselves. When you 'heal' yourself you help change the energetic foundation of a reality for the better because your body is energy. When you explore case studies you will see people who are healing themselves by finding out who they were and the challenges they faced. The key is changing the energetic foundation in order to change the reality, a handful of people cannot do this, people need to learn to 'save themselves' and stop thinking they're victims. How are you a victim if this reality isn't what's real? That is what reincarnation teaches you. I'm looking at the big picture too and part of getting an understanding of the big picture is knowing who I once was.


Any solution based ideology should keep this quote in mind:

"....To understand the true nature of the universe, one must think it terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” - Nikola Tesla

good point, I like that quote too, here is another one from Einstein "the essence of the genius is knowing what to ignore". I agree with Mr. Bergman we are wasting too much talent, or was it he agreeing to me:). This thread is certainly not one of we have to ignore I just brought it out because we been seeing lots of craps in this ones wonderful forum. we'll it is still I hope to keep it that way,,, nahhh we want it to be much better.

[Denise/Dizi]

So if we all agree, that when two or more come together "In his name".. This would imply we must find out if we are all, "In his name".. Does this mean we HAVE to be of the same family? The same soul group? What exactly does that mean? In the human family at all?

[Bubu]

So if we all agree, that when two or more come together "In his name".. This would imply we must find out if we are all, "In his name".. Does this mean we HAVE to be of the same family? The same soul group? What exactly does that mean? In the human family at all?

No i dont mean "in his name" but rather in the name of a common goal. or better else "in our name" :waving:

[johnf]

Hey Johnf, if you look around you'll see faces of sadness and suffering, I believe we first have to think of ways to improve the lives of those around us before worrying about the past and future lives. I feel that being in the company of unhappy people is not a very good experience because their negative vibes will mess up with yours. But that's just me. Ok so this is off topic I have nothing to contribute to what you wanted to discuss. I am just looking at the big picture of what and how this thread will impact our daily lives at the moment.






You might want to look at the other thread, the last two pages I think is where we came to an interest in this topic. I think that in general it has to do with the fact that we are more than just human, and have higher purposes in common.


Really my purpose here is to try to apply the new testament quote, whenever two or more gather in my name I also will be there.
I have a specific understanding of that quote that I have experienced with most people I have interacted with, and that is that basically, a new larger being is present behind the everyday circumstances of every group and relationship we have. And that the potential of freeing our selves from suffering is with us whenever we meet with someone who also has this purpose. That is a very loose definition, and is probably not what most would call a soul group, but many people have run into others in their lives that had a very deep effect on them, and it might have led them to a spiritual search, either together, or separately, on their own. Some people

may not believe in past lives, or care about them but there are those in this group that do and we ask for those beliefs to be respected. We might discuss those in an attempt to get to some real relieving of suffering.


John

I see your point. But is it actually some higher being out there or is it the soul group that makes the magic. Yes I have experience this phenomena of group making wonders thus in business a corporation has many advantage over a single proprietorship.


I think it is both the groups actions in the ordinary world and the larger living thing behind it, the expansiveness of combined viewpoints, and new visions that keep a group going come from this higher mind, it also provides a space for the humans involved to grow into, so the individuals get bigger so to speak. The quote I cited came from a spiritual teacher so, I see it as pointing to a spiritual truth.


John

[johnf]

I see your point. But is it actually some higher being out there

or is it the soul group that makes the magic. Yes I have

experience this phenomena of group making wonders thus in

business a corporation has many advantage over a single

proprietorship.

I think it is both the groups actions in the ordinary world and

the larger living thing behind it, the expansiveness of combined

viewpoints, and new visions that keep a group going come from

this higher mind, it also provides a space for the humans

involved to grow into, so the individuals get bigger so to speak.

The quote I cited came from a spiritual teacher so, I see it as

pointing to a spiritual truth. In his name means the body of spiritual truth he was speaking of as well as where he came from. Many people think that Jesus came from a higher plane, or was sent by god.


John

[johnf]

So if we all agree, that when two or more come together "In his name".. This would imply we must find out if we are all, "In his name".. Does this mean we HAVE to be of the same family? The same soul group? What exactly does that mean? In the human family at all?


Jesus talked a lot about helping others, and forgiveness , I think that if the Buddha had been around at the same time, and that they met they would agree on a whole lot of stuff, they seem to me to be of the same mind, same purpose. I think that the higher meaning of "in my name" is to share the same higher purpose, to relieve suffering, to bring forth truth, and kindness into the world. And with that I feel I might have answer your first question Bubu.


John

[Denise/Dizi]

So if we all agree, that when two or more come together "In his name".. This would imply we must find out if we are all, "In his name".. Does this mean we HAVE to be of the same family? The same soul group? What exactly does that mean? In the human family at all?

No i don't mean "in his name" but rather in the name of a common goal. or better else "in our name" :waving:

Well I believe that we agree that when two or more get together we become more than our sum total.., just the principle is agreed upon, would you guys say you agree?.. It's almost the easiest question we will approach as we move forward and things get deeper lol

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Hey Johnf, if you look around you'll see faces of sadness and suffering, I believe we first have to think of ways to improve the lives of those around us before worrying about the past and future lives. I feel that being in the company of unhappy people is not a very good experience because their negative vibes will mess up with yours. But that's just me. Ok so this is off topic I have nothing to contribute to what you wanted to discuss. I am just looking at the big picture of what and how this thread will impact our daily lives at the moment.





You might want to look at the other thread, the last two pages I think is where we came to an interest in this topic. I think that in general it has to do with the fact that we are more than just human, and have higher purposes in common.


Really my purpose here is to try to apply the new testament quote, whenever two or more gather in my name I also will be there.
I have a specific understanding of that quote that I have experienced with most people I have interacted with, and that is that basically, a new larger being is present behind the everyday circumstances of every group and relationship we have. And that the potential of freeing our selves from suffering is with us whenever we meet with someone who also has this purpose. That is a very loose definition, and is probably not what most would call a soul group, but many people have run into others in their lives that had a very deep effect on them, and it might have led them to a spiritual search, either together, or separately, on their own. Some people

may not believe in past lives, or care about them but there are those in this group that do and we ask for those beliefs to be respected. We might discuss those in an attempt to get to some real relieving of suffering.


John

I see your point. But is it actually some higher being out there or is it the soul group that makes the magic. Yes I have experience this phenomena of group making wonders thus in business a corporation has many advantage over a single proprietorship.


I think it is both the groups actions in the ordinary world and the larger living thing behind it, the expansiveness of combined viewpoints, and new visions that keep a group going come from this higher mind, it also provides a space for the humans involved to grow into, so the individuals get bigger so to speak. The quote I cited came from a spiritual teacher so, I see it as pointing to a spiritual truth.


John

In the way I am reading this we're saying as above so below, so if WE gather in like mind, there will be the same on the other side?


astral, spiritual, higher self, whatever term you choose to use? As we grow stronger they do as well. OR IT, or whatever they were referring to in the ancient texts and wisdom teachings.. I think thus far, whatever word we're using, we are all agreeing that this is something we all believe is a point that is recognized as something we all agree in principle is in some way true.

[Words of Joy]

Jesus talked a lot about helping others, and forgiveness , I think that if the Buddha had been around at the same time, and that they met they would agree on a whole lot of stuff, they seem to me to be of the same mind, same purpose. I think that the higher meaning of "in my name" is to share the same higher purpose, to relieve suffering, to bring forth truth, and kindness into the world.

I think as time passed by more and more of the Grand plan was revealed and bars were being raised. I think that was the case with Buddha and Jesus; both raising bars, though for the same cause. And people all over the world choose at some point to participate in raising the level of love. For me it felt Christ choose me first, not the other way around. I have tried keeping the door closed, not wanting to take responsibility for my growth on the path to God, but Christ's knocking was too convincing. When I recognized how big the love is, is when I switched my way of thinking and then decided I wanted to be part of it, not just a bit, but going all-in. Total surrender. And now I know I'm walking in His name. I'll try and participate as best I can. Thanks for starting this thread John.

[Denise/Dizi]

...........................kind of at a loss with where to go from here...

I thought the subject was about soul groups .. Perhaps we should start somewhere else, like what is a CHRIST, is people can be "Christened", then CHRIST isn't one person.. It is more a stat of being.. Or it is one person who is being recycled into new bodies throughout time?

OR it is a consciousness awareness level that perhaps we ALL can reach individually, or even faster as a group of individuals of like minds. (Back to the whole soul group idea).. Anyone wanna jump in here?

[Words of Joy]

...........................kind of at a loss with where to go from here...

I, in my previous post, was answering to John's mention of "Where two or more come together in My name..." and your comment "This would imply we must find out if we are all, "In his name"". Just as a confirmation to that. From here I'll read posts and go where the spirit leads me and share every now and then.

Regarding Christ (Holy Spirit) I also wrote on Christ in the topic about Jesus path to enlightenment (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105381-Jesus---path-to-enlightenment--ending-reincarnation-). Worth a read, if you'd like a bit of my perspective on the Holy Spirit.

[greybeard]

Edgar Cayce material contains many references to soul groups and how they came about with Bible references too--Genesis Proverbs etc.
Im not going to post any more Edgar Cayce--John Van Alken videos--they are there to find if there is enough interest.

Chris

[Justplain]

Michael Newton's research goes into fair detail about soul groups, how the souls in such a group reincarnate together in varying relationships, familial/friendship/lovers. This doesnt answer the question as to why, but we already know that 'blood is thicker than water', so the level of commitment to one another is likely energetically more.

I have heard it said that our collective soul group has incarnated onto more Planets that just Mother Earth, and that we do this to help raise the planetary vibration, as a service-to-others mode.

Our individual soul is a difficult thing for our human animal to comprehend. Energetically, our souls can manifest things, can do almost anything you can imagine, and more. The 'need' for our divine souls to incarnate I am not sure I believe, I think that our human side is likely too narrow to fully channel our soul's energy, and may never be able to fully handle it, even when humanity is fully evolved.

Exploring past lives and between lives would be helpful for clearing out baggage we carry, as stated above. But I think it is really hard for the linear human mind to comprehend that which is going on. For instance, the complexity of multiple possible outcomes that supposedly occurs, and our souls process, is impossible to fully understand.

We do know from the teachings of 'enlightened' ones is that living unselfish lives focused on love is the fastest route, possibly the only route, to attaining unity with our souls. From my simple, likely overly simplified, perspective, soul groups evolve together to help with the journey, which is a very long one. Even a linear human mind can understand the exigency of that.

[johnf]

Michael Newton's research goes into fair detail about soul groups, how the souls in such a group reincarnate together in varying relationships, familial/friendship/lovers. This doesnt answer the question as to why, but we already know that 'blood is thicker than water', so the level of commitment to one another is likely energetically more.

I have heard it said that our collective soul group has incarnated onto more Planets that just Mother Earth, and that we do this to help raise the planetary vibration, as a service-to-others mode.

Our individual soul is a difficult thing for our human animal to comprehend. Energetically, our souls can manifest things, can do almost anything you can imagine, and more. The 'need' for our divine souls to incarnate I am not sure I believe, I think that our human side is likely too narrow to fully channel our soul's energy, and may never be able to fully handle it, even when humanity is fully evolved.

Exploring past lives and between lives would be helpful for clearing out baggage we carry, as stated above. But I think it is really hard for the linear human mind to comprehend that which is going on. For instance, the complexity of multiple possible outcomes that supposedly occurs, and our souls process, is impossible to fully understand.

We do know from the teachings of 'enlightened' ones is that living unselfish lives focused on love is the fastest route, possibly the only route, to attaining unity with our souls. From my simple, likely overly simplified, perspective, soul groups evolve together to help with the journey, which is a very long one. Even a linear human mind can understand the exigency of that.


Well put,I think that blood ties, romantic ties,business partners, are needed in order to bring in the intensity,

that seems to be one of the rules. So we sometimes embrace as friends and have good times together at a greater depth because we
got through the Imma gonna KEEL YEW times.
We can't think our way out of this game we need to meet our own inner intensity, some might call that our souls.
Feel into what is here now is the beggining of the endgame or graduation phase.


John

[Justplain]

Michael Newton's research goes into fair detail about soul groups, how the souls in such a group reincarnate together in varying relationships, familial/friendship/lovers. This doesnt answer the question as to why, but we already know that 'blood is thicker than water', so the level of commitment to one another is likely energetically more.

I have heard it said that our collective soul group has incarnated onto more Planets that just Mother Earth, and that we do this to help raise the planetary vibration, as a service-to-others mode.

Our individual soul is a difficult thing for our human animal to comprehend. Energetically, our souls can manifest things, can do almost anything you can imagine, and more. The 'need' for our divine souls to incarnate I am not sure I believe, I think that our human side is likely too narrow to fully channel our soul's energy, and may never be able to fully handle it, even when humanity is fully evolved.

Exploring past lives and between lives would be helpful for clearing out baggage we carry, as stated above. But I think it is really hard for the linear human mind to comprehend that which is going on. For instance, the complexity of multiple possible outcomes that supposedly occurs, and our souls process, is impossible to fully understand.

We do know from the teachings of 'enlightened' ones is that living unselfish lives focused on love is the fastest route, possibly the only route, to attaining unity with our souls. From my simple, likely overly simplified, perspective, soul groups evolve together to help with the journey, which is a very long one. Even a linear human mind can understand the exigency of that.


Well put,I think that blood ties, romantic ties,business partners, are needed in order to bring in the intensity,

that seems to be one of the rules. So we sometimes embrace as friends and have good times together at a greater depth because we
got through the Imma gonna KEEL YEW times.
We can't think our way out of this game we need to meet our own inner intensity, some might call that our souls.
Feel into what is here now is the beggining of the endgame or graduation phase.


John

Hi John, it seems that most of us instinctively sense that our close friends and family are extremely important, and the spiritual connections in that light seem logical. I truly believe that we are too forgetful of our souls, our past lives and between lives.

I really feel that if our souls, and spirit guides, really expect us to make significant progress on this plane, that we need to have a much better, more clear, connection and memory of our spirit. From what i've heard, and instinctively feel, this is going to be the case in the fairly near future, supposedly within a few generations.

I know, personally, I don't want to come back here until this connection is clear as day, and that the oppressiveness in this world is ripped away.

[we-R-one]

I know of 2 soul groups specifically, however I know nothing of how or why it's determined which soul group one finds themselves linked to. The two I know of are called 1.Archangel Michael and Raphael and 2.Melchizedek. I have not had the opportunity to ask in my Akashic readings with Kevin Ryerson specifically how many souls groups there are and how is it determined which one you're associated with....My best guess is there are 12 and my next best guess is they'll be associated with the 12 Tribes of Israel. Taking it further, I'm also guessing that each soul group may be tied to specific E.T. races. I know you are incarnating with a handful of the same people from one incarnation to the next, I have seen this is my cases so I know that part is true. My understanding is anywhere from 6 to 7 people will be with you from one lifetime to the next. I have also read that sometimes souls will incarnate to help other groups but, I don't speak from direct experience,... well at the moment I'm not aware I've been involved.

There was an article that came out a while back that stated your friends have more DNA in common with you than a stranger would. This would suggest to me you're 'drawn' to these individuals by some type of vibrational component we aren't aware of...or maybe it is smell?
Friends Have More DNA in Common than Strangers

https://www.livescience.com/46791-friends-share-genes.html

[johnf]

I know of 2 soul groups specifically, however I know nothing of how or why it's determined which soul group one finds themselves linked to. The two I know of are called 1.Archangel Michael and Raphael and 2.Melchizedek. I have not had the opportunity to ask in my Akashic readings with Kevin Ryerson specifically how many souls groups there are and how is it determined which one you're associated with....My best guess is there are 12 and my next best guess is they'll be associated with the 12 Tribes of Israel. Taking it further, I'm also guessing that each soul group may be tied to specific E.T. races. I know you are incarnating with a handful of the same people from one incarnation to the next, I have seen this is my cases so I know that part is true. My understanding is anywhere from 6 to 7 people will be with you from one lifetime to the next. I have also read that sometimes souls will incarnate to help other groups but, I don't speak from direct experience,... well at the moment I'm not aware I've been involved.

There was an article that came out a while back that stated your friends have more DNA in common with you than a stranger would. This would suggest to me you're 'drawn' to these individuals by some type of vibrational component we aren't aware of...or maybe it is smell?
Friends Have More DNA in Common than Strangers

https://www.livescience.com/46791-friends-share-genes.html


Wow, that is a very specific definition then, and it seems that one is full of royal bloodlines?
And I am wondering if that definition is limited to the genetic level, so you have that stuff drawing people together very strongly, and you have other bodies above the genetic line with their own lines ,drawing people together as well as far as I can see.
There four parts of man is something that shows up in a lot of systems. Body, basic self(forming and modifying the body) middle self(social,rules and thinking patterns, and mental patterns)then higher self or causal body. It seems to me there is a sort of mixing and matching going on on at least those levels.
Half brain storming, half remembering stuff I have read from Egyptian and Hawaiian sources.
The ideas in this post are why I put what is above them in the thread title.

John

[Anchor]

Really my purpose here is to try to apply the new testament quote, whenever two or more gather in my name I also will be there.
I have a specific understanding of that quote that I have experienced with most people I have interacted with, and that is that basically, a new larger being is present behind the everyday circumstances of every group and relationship we have. And that the potential of freeing our selves from suffering is with us whenever we meet with someone who also has this purpose.

(Disclaimer: I have not read the other thread like you asked in the opening post of this thread. You didn't link it and I am not on here a lot and I don't want to go looking sorry.)

I think I may have a handle on the meaning of that NT quote. Notice that the quote is two or three not two or more, and the significance is clear in context. Here are the preceding verses that give that context

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/matthew/18-20.html

When you read it in context you can see that it is actually quite different and is about resolving differences - which is obviously an important thing if we are to aim for harmony among us.

Correct me if I am wrong with this assumption I am making, but I think what you are referring to "a new larger being is present" is that sense of peace and energy that manifests when a group of like minds are communicating and harmonizing thought, in other-words thinking along like lines.

One who is more familiar with a Western approach could choose to articulate that as being the presence of "the Holy Spirit". I would not disagree.

My take is that it is one of those little signs that remind us of the power at our disposal and our role and responsibility in creation. According to my understanding, those of us on the path of positivity and service are not subordinate to that power unless we want to be for some reason or are tricked into being so.

The overlap between that and the scenario in the biblical quote you chose might then be clear - because if there is a disagreement being resolved and it is being done in the common name or principle that Jesus represents, then that spirit will be present.

From each of our own individual perspectives, there are only two certainties - our perspective and everything that isnt: that is to say there are other selves who are not us, but each of whom have similar but necessarily unique perspectives. What binds us in common is the creator. If we are together, when I see "you" and if I take the time to put worldly concerns aside as the illusion they are and think more deeply then I see an aspect of the creator and the creation and I know it must be a reflection of myself in that infinite creation. This is really what binds us, and that would include the entity known as Jesus!

Anchor../John..

[johnf]

From Anchor:
"The overlap between that and the scenario in the biblical quote you chose might then be clear - because if there is a disagreement being resolved and it is being done in the common name or principle that Jesus represents, then that spirit will be present.

From each of our own individual perspectives, there are only two certainties - our perspective and everything that isnt: that is to say there are other selves who are not us, but each of whom have similar but necessarily unique perspectives. What binds us in common is the creator. If we are together, when I see "you" and if I take the time to put worldly concerns aside as the illusion they are and think more deeply then I see an aspect of the creator and the creation and I know it must be a reflection of myself in that infinite creation. This is really what binds us, and that would include the entity known as Jesus!"


I am not sure if I understand all of the details in the verses you quoted.

This is what I said in a early post on this thread:


"Really my purpose here is to try to apply the new testament quote, whenever two or more gather in my name I also will be there.
I have a specific understanding of that quote that I have experienced with most people I have interacted with, and that is that basically, a new larger being is present behind the everyday circumstances of every group and relationship we have."


That is based on an insight, or perhaps vision that I had last summer when reconnecting with my family, and after owning up to some old bad behavior to one of my brothers. It is a replay of a memory from fairly young when I had to go to Catholic church with my family once a week. It expanded when I did some 12 step work and used those principles of fellowship they teach and in my visit to my family I experienced forgiving my recently deceased father (I was down there for his funeral). At the funeral I heard stories of how many people my Father, and Mother, had helped through the Catholic Church, so there was forgiveness of an institution that is very fashionable to hate these days. As well as an insight about my Father that was given to me by a man that had worked for him. He was having trouble being a good worker, and was on the verge of being fired till my Father went to bat for him, and spent extra time with this guy till he became a valued employee.
This sort of loving service to others behavior was not witnessed by me that often, and my Father did a lot of teaching through making me feel less of myself down through the years, I was the problem child/Black sheep of the lot and my parents had a rough go of trying to figure out what to do with me. So mutual mistakes were made, resentments and grievances were formed, but now I have a clearer less prejudiced version of my Father to carry through the rest of my life.




Another bit from you:
"Correct me if I am wrong with this assumption I am making, but I think you are referring to is that sense of peace and energy that manifests when a group of like minds are communicating and harmonizing thought.

One who is more familiar with a Western approach could choose to articulate that as being the presence of "the Holy Spirit". I would not disagree.

My take is that it is one of those little signs that remind us of the power at our disposal and our role and responsibility in creation. According to my understanding, those of us on the path of positivity and service are not subordinate to that power unless we want to be for some reason or are tricked into being so."
So you give two levels of how the living spiritual principle behind that quote, or misquote works in relationships. and we have a story (mine)about how various spiritual principles can work in healing lifelong family wounds. The ties of blood run deep and are not always harmonious so when we manage to heal those in even small amounts, how deep are we healing? Maybe larger than immediate family?
Do souls have family lines?

That is the type of question we are looking at here.
If we can clear up our blood families wounds through these simple types of actions.

Can they apply on our other families of a more spiritual nature?
How about our National Families?
...

So maybe I am having trouble defining the topic, or perhaps sticking to a narrow definition of it.
But I have trouble with not thinking big sometimes.


John

[johnf]

2.Melchizedek.


I have read a lot about Melchizedek from various sources, The simple Biblical Prince of Salem, Prince of Peace being the inference.
And a whole lot of weird stuff from the Urantia book, and other sources, that implied there are many beings with this name as their title at various levels of creation, can you clarify please? I am confused by the name.



John

[Anchor]

I see.

I think blood ties are common ground for souls to incarnate who "know" each-other from past incarnations. I learned a lot about this reading Dr Michael Newtons book "Journey Of Souls - Case studies of life between lives".

I don't think souls have family lines, but I do think earth family groups are convenient for collections of souls who wish to incarnate together for a specific purpose(s).

Personally, I think there is a risk of spending too much time concerned with errors of the past. I think it safe all is forgiven by the deceased who are now able to move on to different projects. Full forgiveness, in my view, does also rely on the forgiveness of the self, by the self.

Can you forgive yourself ? If you do, you will have done as much as you can to achieve the healing I think you intend to bring about. The rest is out of your control - but I think forgiveness is assured by those who moved on, because they can now see the bigger picture that you, while incarnate, cannot.

[we-R-one]

I know of 2 soul groups specifically, however I know nothing of how or why it's determined which soul group one finds themselves linked to. The two I know of are called 1.Archangel Michael and Raphael and 2.Melchizedek. I have not had the opportunity to ask in my Akashic readings with Kevin Ryerson specifically how many souls groups there are and how is it determined which one you're associated with....My best guess is there are 12 and my next best guess is they'll be associated with the 12 Tribes of Israel. Taking it further, I'm also guessing that each soul group may be tied to specific E.T. races. I know you are incarnating with a handful of the same people from one incarnation to the next, I have seen this is my cases so I know that part is true. My understanding is anywhere from 6 to 7 people will be with you from one lifetime to the next. I have also read that sometimes souls will incarnate to help other groups but, I don't speak from direct experience,... well at the moment I'm not aware I've been involved.

There was an article that came out a while back that stated your friends have more DNA in common with you than a stranger would. This would suggest to me you're 'drawn' to these individuals by some type of vibrational component we aren't aware of...or maybe it is smell?
Friends Have More DNA in Common than Strangers

https://www.livescience.com/46791-friends-share-genes.html


Wow, that is a very specific definition then, and it seems that one is full of royal bloodlines?
And I am wondering if that definition is limited to the genetic level, so you have that stuff drawing people together very strongly, and you have other bodies above the genetic line with their own lines ,drawing people together as well as far as I can see.
There four parts of man is something that shows up in a lot of systems. Body, basic self(forming and modifying the body) middle self(social,rules and thinking patterns, and mental patterns)then higher self or causal body. It seems to me there is a sort of mixing and matching going on on at least those levels.
Half brain storming, half remembering stuff I have read from Egyptian and Hawaiian sources.
The ideas in this post are why I put what is above them in the thread title.

John

Well think about this....It explains why some of us have re-occuring lives in the royal lines and several documented lives. You have to incarnate where your soul group is found...geomancy is the key. It's why I noticed some of us reincarnating on the same ley lines. It's not random. Some remember picking their parents before they incarnate, but they can't just pick from anyone, they are given options which says to me, you have the illusion of free will. If you're making contracts with people before you incarnate, you cannot just pick anyone to be your parents, it's not how 'the game' works.

If you know where to look, you can sometimes find your loved ones who recently passed. This happened to me and I was able to locate my adopted father, he is 10 yrs. old now. Further research is needed and it will not always be that easy, I got very lucky, but knowing who he had been helped,....and bingo, there he was, waiting for me to find him.

To figure out if my theory on the 12 Tribes is correct, you would need more people to know who they've been and then see if it traces along the genealogical lines of the path of that particular tribe as recorded by history. I hope I'm saying that right, it's late and I'm tired, but I think that might be a possibility.

I know nothing of the Melchizedek line other than a person I briefly corresponded with, who also went to Kevin Ryerson and was told this is his soul group...it should be noted he too had a royal title in the 1800's as did his wife who was once a queen. I knew them both because I was one of her servants in that incarnation. It is common for those who have played a royal role to also play that of a servant, so role reversal.

Sorry I can't be on here much, busy weekend.

[Words of Joy]

Can you forgive yourself ? If you do, you will have done as much as you can to achieve the healing I think you intend to bring about. The rest is out of your control - but I think forgiveness is assured by those who moved on, because they can now see the bigger picture that you, while incarnate, cannot.

I'd like to add, an essential part in forgiveness is asking our Creator for forgiveness. It's never too late for that.

[Angels1981]

The journey I have seen is that there is a soul group the monad. They are like friends and family and you interact with them to balance karma and stuff and to teach each other to love. We need each other to work as a team. I was taught this and they don't say it's the school of life for a reason. This is a lower energy dimension or so they want you to think that. We are all made up of loving energy and the brain is programmable. The Angels taught me to release fear and lower energy and replace it with more loving energy. The more you forgive and the more you let go and heal the more you rise up. AKA Ascension or expanding your energy. You cannot learn lots unless you come down to this plane. We come down to this plane to teach others the way of LOVE. LOVE is GOD.

SO people are blinded by the brain aka ego. I was taught that the Angels only listen to the love from the heart and nothing else as in the creators eyes only love exists not fear.
I was told and taught that the light body is when the carbon lower fear based body is dissolved and you light up as fear is gone.
The elite and demons of this world do not want you to know the truth that love is the real energy and that love is your home and they do anything to train your mind to think of it as not real or even mock love. Hence Jesus being mocked .
Love is the essence of who we really are and within the soul group I think anything you create within love goes. You soul is balanced out with love in the higher hemisphere.

That's my understanding .