When does the Soul leave your body?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Avolonians...

At what point does your soul leave your body?

The way I see it your soul has unlimited awareness and consciousness and is creative in many ways. If you had a degenerative desease such as Alzheimer's or Dementia which affects your awareness and thoughts you lose all of these...don't you?

So at what point does the soul leave the body. Is it trapped in time until your body fades away and dies, thus experiencing another side of physical format.

Just wondered...

Viking

[greybeard]

Hi Viking
the late Dr David Hawkins maintained that in the case that you mentioned the soul progressively leaves the body.
An empty shell remains functioning.
Even in a "normal" pre death the Soul does not feel the pain of death its gone before the final moments.
If its a pain free passing then the soul remains till the last.
Sometimes a soul can temporally remain in the vicinity after death.
Thats his take--maybe so!!!

Anyway the soul leaves the body every night while in the deepest part of sleep.

Chris

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Viking
the late Dr David Hawkins maintained that in the case that you mentioned the soul progressively leaves the body.
An empty shell remains functioning.
Even in a "normal" pre death the Soul does not feel the pain of death its gone before the final moments.
If its a pain free passing then the soul remains till the last.
Sometimes a soul can temporally remain in the vicinity after death.
Thats his take--maybe so!!!

Anyway the soul leaves the body every night while in the deepest part of sleep.

Chris

Yes I get that Chris...so maybe your Soul decides to leave once your physical format starts degenerating.

Viking

[Bill Ryan]

The soul doesn't have to wait till the body dies. It can leave during a coma (and if the body recovers, can return — or sometimes a new soul can even 'walk in' after a very long period of coma).

It's like having one's car off the road for a long time. One might go rent another one for a while until it's repaired. :)

And if someone is very elderly, weak, or infirm, or maybe has a fatal degenerative disease like Alzheimer's, then the soul can also leave 'early', or spend time going walkabout in the universe while returning intermittently. There are no hard and fast 'rules'.

[Star Tsar]

Science accepts memory is stored outside of the brain so why do we assume the soul resides inside the body?

[greybeard]

The mystics say that the body resides within the soul as does everything else.
Nothing but energy--just different vibrations of that energy.
You pay your penny you take your choice.

Chris

[Eagle Eye]

(32:11) The angel of death will take you who has been assigned to you. Then to your Lord you will be returned.


From this prespective, means the soul depart the moment of death.

[Joe Akulis]

To corroborate some of what Bill said, just FYI, Traineehuman has a huge contribution of information in his "The Higher Self" thread.

In there he mentions his understanding that people with Alzheimer's, often their soul is off wandering/exploring/tending to other concerns, and the moments of lucidity are when you stop back in or are physically allowed to stop back in.

I've always found that to be kind of comforting.

[angelfire]

It's my understanding that the soul may also disconnect during massive emotional, mental or physical trauma, especially the former. Almost as if the pain is too much for the soul to bear or process at the time.

[Bill Ryan]

It's my understanding that the soul may also disconnect during massive emotional, mental or physical trauma, especially the former. Almost as if the pain is too much for the soul to bear or process at the time.

Yes, it can fragment, and then soul retrieval (of the missing pieces) is needed. I always used to doubt this, but then experienced and resolved it myself. It's very real.

[Star Tsar]

Viking may I ask you what prompted your opening post? And why did you choose the thumbs down icon for the thread my friend?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Viking may I ask you what prompted your opening post? And why did you choose the thumbs down icon for the thread my friend?

Hi Star that's strange I didn't use the thumbs down button...not sure where it is. Must of pressed by accident. If mods can take that off please. Edit all ok just worked it out.

Anyway one of the reasons why I posted was because my father has dementia and when I visit him he hardly recognises me and makes very little sense in conversation. I try to communicate with old photos which he occasionally recognises but most part he's in some far away land or nowhere. Just trying to understand his current mindset.

Thanks for asking.

Be well.

Viking

[Joe Akulis]

Could be a good place to bring up the concept of the "body consciousness." My theory is that at those times of incoherency, we're most likely just communicating with a person who's body consciousness is running the show, but I don't have the experiences or feedback of many of the astral elite to back up that theory yet. :- )

I like to think of Me as: Little Joe, the body consciousness; Joe, the soul in the middle of this incarnation; and Big Joe, the higher self made up of all my past personalities and more.

[Joe Akulis]

Bill, care to share more about the fragmenting story?

I know the concept sounds very much like what Svali (am I spelling that right?) the illuminati whistleblower talked about, isn't it? Where people are tortured just to get the soul to call it quits and abandon ship, that way they can have an "uninhabited" human now that they can "reprogram"...whatever that means... Might be a little too off topic for this thread.

[Star Tsar]

Sorry to read about your father Viking

:bearhug:

[bogdan9310]

There is no soul, as in how you describe it.

[greybeard]

There is no soul, as in how you describe it.

Accepted--labels are as best we can do.
Non duality says that there is only one soul---then we get into challenges with duality language.
So whats your definition bogdan 9310?
This may not be an appropriate post for this thread
Mods feel free to remove if its not.

Chris

[petra]

Anyway the soul leaves the body every night while in the deepest part of sleep.


Made me laugh :) Pretty sure you are right!

[Eagle Eye]

(39:42) God takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that do not die, during their sleep. Then He keeps those for which He has decreed death and releases the others for a specified term. Indeed in that are signs for people who give thought.

Maybe today we speak with different words, but the meaning remains the same.

[RogeRio]

I think its not so simple to answer, because there are other bodies involved (psycho and mental, for example) to taking into account.

Then, the physical body is definitely discarded (by other more sutil bodies), when break up the silver cord, that connects the sutil bodies to the physical body, which obviously leaves the physical body without vitality, ie, dies.

This process doesn't end here, because the psycho body will be discarded too, before the mental body can reach out of time/space free of matter (physic and psych).

If you think the mental body that point still have the same soul inside it, I hope you can see the question can be more complex..

[Peter UK]

It's my understanding that the soul may also disconnect during massive emotional, mental or physical trauma, especially the former. Almost as if the pain is too much for the soul to bear or process at the time.

Yes, it can fragment, and then soul retrieval (of the missing pieces) is needed. I always used to doubt this, but then experienced and resolved it myself. It's very real.

Alternately this kind of trauma can result in an OOBE.

Soul retrieval was always something I had associated with Shamans and their inner journeyings to bring about healing. A kind of alternate cultural approach that I never properly understood the mechanics of. I've never heard of an individual soul retrieval before but I guess it's the equivalent of self-healing as opposed to going to the doctor.

Kudos Bill.

[Iyakum]

The soul doesn't have to wait till the body dies. It can leave during a coma (and if the body recovers, can return — or sometimes a new soul can even 'walk in' after a very long period of coma).

It's like having one's car off the road for a long time. One might go rent another one for a while until it's repaired. :)

And if someone is very elderly, weak, or infirm, or maybe has a fatal degenerative disease like Alzheimer's, then the soul can also leave 'early', or spend time going walkabout in the universe while returning intermittently. There are no hard and fast 'rules'.

I agree with Bill,

I agree with Bill, what I write now is my personal opinion which does not have to be everyone's opinion. I suspect that the soul is a form of energy, only when it originated, I can only guess. Either at birth, as of this moment, when sperm meets the egg cell, that would already be an energy form, or it occurs during birth when the embryo takes shape.

I think that we are able to leave our body even before death, I myself had such an experience respiratory arrest only I do not know how long it took. The only thing I felt was hard to describe, it felt like a nudge like a strong pull, then I woke up and took a deep breath but otherwise there was nothing, except this light that I saw, the light that many have seen who have experienced near-death.

I wanted to write a thread earlier and ask what happens to the energy after death, but the search function was overloaded. So I agree with Bill the soul doesn´t have to wait till the body dies.

Just a personal note. If we had invested the time we invested in wars instead of exchanging knowledge with other cultures ... would not we be more advanced today?

[Iyakum]

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Yes, it can fragment, and then soul retrieval (of the missing pieces) is needed. I always used to doubt this, but then experienced and resolved it myself. It's very real.

Bill wrote: *Almost as if the pain is too much for the soul to bear or process at the time*

I´ve experienced that by myself, when the pain grown to much,

I have the experience myself. If the pain is or becomes too strong, a part of the soul leaves the body, but only one part because the main supply must remain otherwise a return would not be possible. When I was a little kid in first grade I had such an experience.

The only thing I can remember was the first day of school, after which I miss two weeks. When my soul returned to my body or mind, I remember that I had very strong pain and hit two big fists on my head, at first I did not know where I am and who or what I am. I only heard a male voice scream at me, she screamed now he's been in school for two weeks and still can not write Mimi gets water.

Then came back the memory of who I am, a small child at the age of seven who went to school, but what happened in the two weeks I do not know. I suppose Bill is right, the soul has protected itself, the pain must have been very strong, so that my body could endure it, but not my spirit, that's why I am sure that a part of my soul left the body.
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I ask you not to laugh, because this experience, I have really experienced and it corresponds to the pure truth ...
thanks.