Mandela Effect Reversal

[Keajran]

**I posted this as a response in the thread "The Mandela Effect: What does it mean??", post# 329, but thought maybe it warranted a new thread. If the mods don't think it does, please feel free to delete.**
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Something strange has happened for me regarding the Mandela effect. I've experienced a reversal of one of the previously reported changes. Yesterday while reading through the thread mentioned above, I noticed that The Berentain Bears has flip flopped again. Let me begin from the beginning. I distinctly remember Berenstain from my childhood, and I even owned the books. Fast forward to the early 2000s, I think it was 2003 to be exact, I was in my early 20s, and I was reminiscing about this childhood book and went online to search for it. I was shocked to see it spelled as Berenstein all over the internet. I couldn't find a single instance of it spelled Berenstain. I had a really hard time accepting this. All those "E"s in the name just did not look right, and the thought that I and numerous others had been pronouncing it wrong did not sit well. I thought I was losing mind. I eventually forgot about this and moved on with my life. Fast forward again to early 2016. I became aware of the Mandela Effect and began researching it. I was floored to discover that The Berenstein bears were one of the known effects. At this time the consensus was still that Berenstein was the correct and current spelling and Berenstain was the mis-recollected version. A minority of people remembered Berenstain and I was part that group. I was very surprised that I had noticed this 13 years earlier and tried to think back to 2003 to see if I had noticed any other anomalies back then but nothing came to mind. I also remember some people on various forums mocking those who remembered it as Berenstain because it sounded so absurd to them. I made a determination to put Berenstain out of my head and to accept that it was now Berenstein.

Now imagine my surprise when yesterday I was perusing the thread "The Mandela Effect: What does it mean??", and discovered that the currently accepted version is now Berenstain. I feel like I'm losing my mind all over again! When the heck did this happen? I mean, I was obsessed with this particular Mandela effect back in 2003, and again in 2016 and I know without a shadow of a doubt what I saw, what I read, what I was thinking both those times, so what now?? None of the other effects seem to have changed back from what they were in 2016 that I've noticed, just Berenstain, but I haven't conducted a thorough investigation. Has anyone else had this experience or anything similar?

[Bill Ryan]

Very interesting. I was in the supermarket (here in Ecuador) a couple of days ago, and noticed a packet of FROOT LOOPS. (As it should be! :) ) This had been one of the frequently reported Mandela Effect anomalies, with 'FRUIT LOOPS' being the 'replacement' version.

I'll take a photo next time I'm in town. (Unless it's changed again! :bigsmile: )

[Denise/Dizi]

Froot loops? Ok, I am going to have to go shopping down the cereal aisle more often I could have SWORN they were FRUIT... Can you find the makers brand name too? I wonder if some of us are buying "Knockoff" cereal lol. Did it have the toucan on it? It is a toucan right? ok I looked.. WOW.. Bill, you're right! I never even noticed! I wonder how much of this is really nothing more than a lack of attention?


https://www.google.com/search?q=fruit+loops&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=Ap1ZMvVPT7bgVM%253A%252C0DFHoddJ_Mu9EM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kS_yRJv-2S_PlyA4rEtxv_EAZeqfQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiE_uaLusvhAhWLGXwKHS2GBEIQ9QEwAHoECAgQB A#

On a side note for the "Giggle factor", I had no idea that there was FROOT LOOPS in my kitchen.. (The kids bought some for the grandbabies yesterday)..

You guys are so funny, do you know I grabbed a magnifying glass and searched that box for trademark that may indicate it ever was FRUIT? HAHAHA.. "Gramma is acting crazy again in the kitchen" Just joking.. But really I DID look at the box with a magnifying glass and saw no hint at FRUIT. Baffling

[TomKat]

Jaws' girlfriend in Moonraker originally had big braces. Now she has no braces. But some joker photoshopped some small braces on a picture on youtube and people are now saying there are 2 versions out there. But no, in this timeline she never had braces and the actress herself said so. So an apparent reversal that isn't.

[Valerie Villars]

Okay, now I'm a little confused. It used to be Fruit Loops, didn't it? This world is one messed up place. :)

[Patient]

I am with you Valerie - it was originally Fruit Loops. The old commercials displayed fruit.

Before the 2000's most commercial marketing was pretty rigid when it came to spelling. I can see the possibility of Kelloggs marketing changing "Fruit" to "Froot" maybe to be trendy?

Fruit Loops were brought onto the market in 1963. As the population was concerned about a healthy breakfast, fruit was a big part of that. It would only make sense to advertise that you had real Fruit in the cereal. What would be the reason for them to spell it "Froot" back then? Would they want to say that there wasn't fruit in the cereal - that it was all chemicals? How would that have gone down in the 60's?

IMHO, it would not have sold and it would not be here today.

There are many Mandela Effects that if you apply logical thinking, some of the changed things seem to not make sense. However, if your memory is of the side that recalls FROOT LOOPS, then that is what you remember.

Also, IMO, based on the things that have changed and the fact that there is only a percentage of the population with an altered perception and opinion, I believe that this was not a natural phenomenon.

[Keajran]

Very interesting. I was in the supermarket (here in Ecuador) a couple of days ago, and noticed a packet of FROOT LOOPS. (As it should be! :) ) This had been one of the frequently reported Mandela Effect anomalies, with 'FRUIT LOOPS' being the 'replacement' version.

I'll take a photo next time I'm in town. (Unless it's changed again! :bigsmile: )

Hi Bill,
Yes, I remember 'FRUIT LOOPS' as the replacement version, and just did a google search... seems that it too has reverted back to FROOT LOOPS. I will have to check the supermarket later today just to confirm. Interesting indeed. I have a feeling that it wont stop there. I'll keep checking periodically for other reversals.
Just for the record, I remember 4 people in JFK's car. The replacement version (this timeline) has 6 people. Let's see if that changes back to 4.

[Intranuclear]

Evidently this has been a thing: https://www.alternatememories.com/historical-events/brands/fruit-froot-loops

[Ernie Nemeth]

If It is spelt "Froot Loops" when I go shopping tomorrow, I am going to be freaked out...already have goose bumps

[Didgevillage]

It's always good to keep your own record, either hand-written or hand-drawn sketches.
"Official" photographs are bound to change along with Mandela effect or reversal thereof.

[Flash]

Well, we may have a mandela effect partly solved, for old timers


Froot Loops cereal is a breakfast cereal primarily aimed at younger audiences that was introduced in the year 1959. Featuring a Toucan as a mascot, the popular cereal is well known for its bright colors. Made by Kellogg's, Froot Loops is bright, colorful, and taste and smells of fruity flavors. Froot Loops may have been born from an attempt to re-purpose equipment from Kellogg's failed, “Kellogg’s OK’s”, a cereal that also looped, and looked somewhat like Froot Loops without the color or flavor. The same equipment used to make Kellogg's OKs was used to make Fruit Loops, Apple Jacks, and Puffa Puffa Rice cereals. Although OKs cereal died, Froot Loops and the other cereals that used the equipment lived on. Froot Loops was originally called “Fruit Loops” when it was first designed and introduced in 1959, but a lawsuit was filed claiming the product was misleading by presenting itself as a legit fruit product when in reality it was mostly sugar and contained little to or fruit. In Paxton v. Kellogg’s, regarding the lawsuit claims that the product was misleading about containing fruit, Kellogg’s agreed to settle by renaming the cereal to “Froot Loops”, and that is how the product name as of now came to be, and why the cereal is not called “Fruit Loops” instead of Froot Loops. From what it seems, the product was released in 1963, this time under the name Froot Loops, were the name has stuck since, and the product has enjoyed much popularity since then.https://www.snackhistory.com/froot-loops-cereal

I must admit that the star on the USSR flag freaked me out, as well as the eagle on the pharaoh' head dress.

Ernie, go shopping to have the pleasure to freak out lol.

A gift tonight

[Valerie Villars]

Well, we may have a mandela effect partly solved, for old timers


Froot Loops cereal is a breakfast cereal primarily aimed at younger audiences that was introduced in the year 1959. Featuring a Toucan as a mascot, the popular cereal is well known for its bright colors. Made by Kellogg's, Froot Loops is bright, colorful, and taste and smells of fruity flavors. Froot Loops may have been born from an attempt to re-purpose equipment from Kellogg's failed, “Kellogg’s OK’s”, a cereal that also looped, and looked somewhat like Froot Loops without the color or flavor. The same equipment used to make Kellogg's OKs was used to make Fruit Loops, Apple Jacks, and Puffa Puffa Rice cereals. Although OKs cereal died, Froot Loops and the other cereals that used the equipment lived on. Froot Loops was originally called “Fruit Loops” when it was first designed and introduced in 1959, but a lawsuit was filed claiming the product was misleading by presenting itself as a legit fruit product when in reality it was mostly sugar and contained little to or fruit. In Paxton v. Kellogg’s, regarding the lawsuit claims that the product was misleading about containing fruit, Kellogg’s agreed to settle by renaming the cereal to “Froot Loops”, and that is how the product name as of now came to be, and why the cereal is not called “Fruit Loops” instead of Froot Loops. From what it seems, the product was released in 1963, this time under the name Froot Loops, were the name has stuck since, and the product has enjoyed much popularity since then.https://www.snackhistory.com/froot-loops-cereal

I must admit that the star on the USSR flag freaked me out, as well as the eagle on the pharaoh' head dress.

Ernie, go shopping to have the pleasure to freak out lol.

A gift tonight

No, it may have been called that on their papers, but it was marketed and sold as "Fruit Loops". I was born in 61. I had a child in 85. I know a Fruit Loop when I see one.

[Denise/Dizi]

Perhaps they changed the logo so they could use the cereal AS the logo (being two O's in FROOT? ) to match the two O's in LOOP? And maybe they do this back and forth just as a marketing ploy?

[Keajran]

I am with you Valerie - it was originally Fruit Loops. The old commercials displayed fruit.

Before the 2000's most commercial marketing was pretty rigid when it came to spelling. I can see the possibility of Kelloggs marketing changing "Fruit" to "Froot" maybe to be trendy?

Fruit Loops were brought onto the market in 1963. As the population was concerned about a healthy breakfast, fruit was a big part of that. It would only make sense to advertise that you had real Fruit in the cereal. What would be the reason for them to spell it "Froot" back then? Would they want to say that there wasn't fruit in the cereal - that it was all chemicals? How would that have gone down in the 60's?

IMHO, it would not have sold and it would not be here today.

There are many Mandela Effects that if you apply logical thinking, some of the changed things seem to not make sense. However, if your memory is of the side that recalls FROOT LOOPS, then that is what you remember.

Also, IMO, based on the things that have changed and the fact that there is only a percentage of the population with an altered perception and opinion, I believe that this was not a natural phenomenon.

Hi Patient, I understand what you're saying about the logic behind the name. However there's logic to my recollection of Froot loops. I had moved to the US in my early teens, from growing up abroad, and attending a very strict British boarding school. I had a good upbringing albeit a little sheltered, but had access to some of the finer things in life. When I arrived in NYC, I felt so overwhelmed with all the stuff in the US, the number to TV stations, the constant bombardment of commercials, the endless options in the supermarkets, and especially the quality of food in the supermarkets...the amount of junk food available, and being pushed on kids, including cereals. It was sensory overload. Froot loops were just another in a sea of endless sugary cereals that in my opinion had no real nutritional value. I personally hated all that sugary stuff so I stayed away from it, including Froot Loops. I was very health conscious even as a young person. The name of it made perfect sense to me too, the playful spelling Froot, just confirmed for me that it wasn't a real food.

Back in 2015/2016, when the Mandela Effect was a hot topic, Froot Loops had been replaced with Fruit Loops. But now it looks like it's back to being Froot Loops again. Go figure. There's definitely something going on.

[jcking]

I have no idea what to think about the Mandela Effect, but I *did* notice a flip flop from "Jonny Quest" to "Johnny Quest", and back to "Jonny Quest" again. I remember being floored by seeing "Johnny" just within the last two years (on the Wikipedia page, the Google info blurb, youtube videos, merchandise, etc), and today after looking at this thread I see that it's "Jonny". Bizarre.

I also remember "Fruit Loops" from the 80s.

[Kryztian]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Froot-Loops-Box-Small.jpg/220px-Froot-Loops-Box-Small.jpg

While Kellog's makes the product available on a number of different continents and possibly on different timelines with changed spelling of the trademarked name, never, in any of the places or timelines, was the actual fruit inside the product. It is just corn syrup or other cheap sugars, artificial coloring and fake fruit flavors.

[Kryztian]

Has anyone ever noticed the spelling on this product? As far as my mind remembers, it has been spelled this way on every time line I've been on for the last four decades, but some people fail to notice the strange spelling and it seems like a Mandela effect item.


https://i.imgur.com/DcgLzCV.jpg

[Patient]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Froot-Loops-Box-Small.jpg/220px-Froot-Loops-Box-Small.jpg

While Kellog's makes the product available on a number of different continents and possibly on different timelines with changed spelling of the trademarked name, never, in any of the places or timelines, was the actual fruit inside the product. It is just corn syrup or other cheap sugars, artificial coloring and fake fruit flavors.

Yeah, I understand the lack of fruit in froot loops - I am referring to the marketing of the product. I recall commercials from when I was a kid - they showed fruit to represent the fruit flavours.

But I do not recall Liquid Plumr being one way or the other.

[Patient]

I am with you Valerie - it was originally Fruit Loops. The old commercials displayed fruit.

Before the 2000's most commercial marketing was pretty rigid when it came to spelling. I can see the possibility of Kelloggs marketing changing "Fruit" to "Froot" maybe to be trendy?

Fruit Loops were brought onto the market in 1963. As the population was concerned about a healthy breakfast, fruit was a big part of that. It would only make sense to advertise that you had real Fruit in the cereal. What would be the reason for them to spell it "Froot" back then? Would they want to say that there wasn't fruit in the cereal - that it was all chemicals? How would that have gone down in the 60's?

IMHO, it would not have sold and it would not be here today.

There are many Mandela Effects that if you apply logical thinking, some of the changed things seem to not make sense. However, if your memory is of the side that recalls FROOT LOOPS, then that is what you remember.

Also, IMO, based on the things that have changed and the fact that there is only a percentage of the population with an altered perception and opinion, I believe that this was not a natural phenomenon.

Hi Patient, I understand what you're saying about the logic behind the name. However there's logic to my recollection of Froot loops. I had moved to the US in my early teens, from growing up abroad, and attending a very strict British boarding school. I had a good upbringing albeit a little sheltered, but had access to some of the finer things in life. When I arrived in NYC, I felt so overwhelmed with all the stuff in the US, the number to TV stations, the constant bombardment of commercials, the endless options in the supermarkets, and especially the quality of food in the supermarkets...the amount of junk food available, and being pushed on kids, including cereals. It was sensory overload. Froot loops were just another in a sea of endless sugary cereals that in my opinion had no real nutritional value. I personally hated all that sugary stuff so I stayed away from it, including Froot Loops. I was very health conscious even as a young person. The name of it made perfect sense to me too, the playful spelling Froot, just confirmed for me that it wasn't a real food.

Back in 2015/2016, when the Mandela Effect was a hot topic, Froot Loops had been replaced with Fruit Loops. But now it looks like it's back to being Froot Loops again. Go figure. There's definitely something going on.

Could there be residual affects form whatever it was that caused this in the first place? Maybe, I guess. Or is it being messed with again? Or is someone trying to correct things?

Too many questions that will probably never be answered.

Think about it - if someone came forward telling the truth about what happened, would it be believable?

Why was only a portion of the population affected? DNA?

Kejaranhybrid, I am seriously interested to know if things keep changing for you so I hope you keep posting in this thread. A lot of people choose to ignore things and just keep plodding along. It freaks me out that more people do not seem to care about what this is, or how/why it happened.

Mostly, we see that material things are/have been affected. What if actual people disappeared? What about the Berenstein Bears? That title is based on the author's last name - so there was a complete name change.

I have had a lot of paranormal experiences in my life. Still am, but lately it has not been so intrusive. But now I am sometimes wondering - when I leave a room (with 3 different lights on) and go back in a few minutes later and all of the lights are off is it paranormal or is it a subtle timeline shift? As Kejaranhybrid is seeing things change back and forth is this happening in subtle ways here and there? Sometimes things disappear and reappear. For example, sitting on the bed watching TV and the remote is gone - gone, and we have not left the bed. We can look through the entire sheets and it will not be there. I say to my spouse, "Just forget it - lets leave the room and when we come back it will be there." And yes, 3 minutes later and the remote is sitting on the bed. Yeah WTH. Perhaps it is timelines that are so close together they are interwoven.

Has there been a case where anyone has lost a person? The problem being if a person claimed that their family (that doesn't exist to anyone else) is missing, they would be considered to have brain damage. This is why I am still hung up on the Mandela Effect - because we don't have an answer and it could really be a problem for some people. What about the priests that have had their personal bible that has been in the family for years now suddenly different - the text inside is different. (For anyone that is not aware of the bible changes just look it up. The Lord's Prayer is different. There is now reference to bottles as opposed to wine skins. I am aware that there are new and updated prints - I am referring to a bible that has been in the possession of a person and has changed - like my own Berenstein Bear book that is now spelled as Berenstain bears.)

Sorry, I didn't mean to go on about what we already know. I guess this shows how strongly it is on my mind. *sigh* Lol

¤=[Post Update]=¤


If It is spelt "Froot Loops" when I go shopping tomorrow, I am going to be freaked out...already have goose bumps

I wish I could go to the store with you Ernie - 'cause I know you are going to see Froot Loops!

But what if what you see is not what I would see if I went there on my own? Hahaha, now we are really writing a Twilight Zone episode! :)

[Patient]

Well, we may have a mandela effect partly solved, for old timers


Froot Loops cereal is a breakfast cereal primarily aimed at younger audiences that was introduced in the year 1959. Featuring a Toucan as a mascot, the popular cereal is well known for its bright colors. Made by Kellogg's, Froot Loops is bright, colorful, and taste and smells of fruity flavors. Froot Loops may have been born from an attempt to re-purpose equipment from Kellogg's failed, “Kellogg’s OK’s”, a cereal that also looped, and looked somewhat like Froot Loops without the color or flavor. The same equipment used to make Kellogg's OKs was used to make Fruit Loops, Apple Jacks, and Puffa Puffa Rice cereals. Although OKs cereal died, Froot Loops and the other cereals that used the equipment lived on. Froot Loops was originally called “Fruit Loops” when it was first designed and introduced in 1959, but a lawsuit was filed claiming the product was misleading by presenting itself as a legit fruit product when in reality it was mostly sugar and contained little to or fruit. In Paxton v. Kellogg’s, regarding the lawsuit claims that the product was misleading about containing fruit, Kellogg’s agreed to settle by renaming the cereal to “Froot Loops”, and that is how the product name as of now came to be, and why the cereal is not called “Fruit Loops” instead of Froot Loops. From what it seems, the product was released in 1963, this time under the name Froot Loops, were the name has stuck since, and the product has enjoyed much popularity since then.https://www.snackhistory.com/froot-loops-cereal

I must admit that the star on the USSR flag freaked me out, as well as the eagle on the pharaoh' head dress.

Ernie, go shopping to have the pleasure to freak out lol.

A gift tonight

No, it may have been called that on their papers, but it was marketed and sold as "Fruit Loops". I was born in 61. I had a child in 85. I know a Fruit Loop when I see one.

Is the portion of people who are seeing things the same as each other due to an age grouping? I was also born in '61. Of course you must be old enough to remember certain things, but I wonder??? Anyone know if this has been researched?

[Patient]

Here is something...


I do not recall the Ford logo as having that loop on the "F". As a graphic artist or from a marketing perspective, would you have the F like that? It looks like a little "e". So, you can criticize the logo and call it a FEORD. I would not want to open myself to that if I was creating the logo. Does that make sense to anyone?

(To support my opinion, I have worked professionally as an artist, I have participated in long hours with a group making "Titles" of products and involved in the marketing of some major world released items. I quickly saw the Ford logo change and it messed my head as I have always been a big Ford Mustang fan since I was a kid.)

[seehas]

what about the outside rear-mirrors in cars, i can remember the text "objects may appear closer than they are".

there is something in common with many other mandela effects, u can research old articles in google and u can even find david letterman jokes about it, another proof of merging timelines?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UaR4MgtDYA0/hqdefault.jpg

[ScorpION]

Oh WOW!!! A few weeks ago I watched a utube video and saw that it was flipped back
Now. But didn't mention it because it was to unbelievable.. Thought even I was going nuts as I was unsure about the
Effect anyways!
And I specifically remember looking it up as it was a beloved book as a child....

Mind Blown!!!!!

[Praxis]

Jaws' girlfriend in Moonraker originally had big braces. Now she has no braces. But some joker photoshopped some small braces on a picture on youtube and people are now saying there are 2 versions out there. But no, in this timeline she never had braces and the actress herself said so. So an apparent reversal that isn't.

The thing about this one is the scene no longer makes sense without the braces.

I know the actress has said herself that she had no braces, but literally the scene doesnt make sense without it.

He was an outcast badguy with a metal grill. He goes the whole movie without talking(I am pretty sure) and always has a frown on his face. He even used his steel teeth to kill people.

Crashes at the end( coming from the moon if I recall correctly, meaning this was moonraker) and then this sweet young lady comes up to him and smiles. He sees her braces and then he smiles back. It is how they make a connection.

The scene doesnt really make sense if they dont have a connection because this is the first time you see this girl.

[Patient]

Jaws' girlfriend in Moonraker originally had big braces. Now she has no braces. But some joker photoshopped some small braces on a picture on youtube and people are now saying there are 2 versions out there. But no, in this timeline she never had braces and the actress herself said so. So an apparent reversal that isn't.

The thing about this one is the scene no longer makes sense without the braces.

I know the actress has said herself that she had no braces, but literally the scene doesnt make sense without it.

He was an outcast badguy with a metal grill. He goes the whole movie without talking(I am pretty sure) and always has a frown on his face. He even used his steel teeth to kill people.

Crashes at the end( coming from the moon if I recall correctly, meaning this was moonraker) and then this sweet young lady comes up to him and smiles. He sees her braces and then he smiles back. It is how they make a connection.

The scene doesnt really make sense if they dont have a connection because this is the first time you see this girl.

Yes!

And this is what makes the music in the movie synonymous with an epiphany moment!

Without the braces, what is the connection?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Oh WOW!!! A few weeks ago I watched a utube video and saw that it was flipped back
Now. But didn't mention it because it was to unbelievable.. Thought even I was going nuts as I was unsure about the
Effect anyways!
And I specifically remember looking it up as it was a beloved book as a child....

Mind Blown!!!!!

When you say it was flipped back do you mean one thing or the entire Mandela Effect?

[ChristianSky]

I find it synchronistic and fascinating that just last night before going to bed, this was the topic of conversation with my girlfriend. Particularly, I was telling her that I couldn't help but to feel that some of the "experiences" I've had over the past few years when sleeping are merely me experiencing life in a parallel reality. As I explained to her, they don't feel like regular dreams. Often times, there is no rhyme or reason or climax or point to some of these "experiences". What I mean by that is that often, these "experiences" will be of me just doing everyday, mundane stuff, e.g. brushing my teeth, reading, carrying on with casual conversations, going to the bathroom, etc. The one difference being that I notice that everything in this other reality is just slightly off or different than in our current reality.

I'll give you an example - I keep having recurring dreams or "experiences" in an alternate version of my house. The overall style of my house looks the same, but everything else is just slightly different, down to the layout of my neighborhood. Time and again during these "experiences", it's always in this exact same alternate house/neighborhood; my backyard/front yard are slightly larger, my street is just a bit wider, a bit more trees in my neighborhood, etc. It's consistently the same alternate neighborhood. In this alternate reality, I'm often in a relationship with another woman; whom I don't even know in this reality. (As a side note, and perhaps a discussion for another thread, I've had an OBE into this alternate house of mine, and in this alternate reality, had an experience with two Greys.)

I was explaining this to my girlfriend that just a few days ago I'd come across a recent Bashar video where he said a few things regarding parallel realities, and found it to coincide with what I'd long felt was the case (in the case of my own experiences). I brought up 9/11 in our conversation - I used the pentagon attack as an example where there are many very credible, well put together people who will swear that despite the physics of it, they saw an airliner make the low pass and slam into the side of the pentagon. Yet, on the other side of the spectrum you also have many credible, well put together people who will also swear that what they saw hit the pentagon was most certainly NOT an airliner (I for one, don't believe it was an airliner either).

I know it seems I sort of strayed from the premise of this Mandela Effect Reversal thread, but my intuition is telling me that this is all interconnected. Without sounding like I'm giving a free pass to societal ignorance and decay, what if SOME of the events or moments (9/11, Berenstein vs. Berenstain, fruit loops vs. froot loops, etc.) that we experience in our lives are regularly coalescing with an alternate version of this reality, thus, no matter how much debating and discussion is had, why some of the most credible, well put together people will never ever sway from the fact that they saw an airliner slam into the pentagon...because they actually did.

Suffice to say, I seem to notice these sorts of anomalies picking up over the past few years, which again, brings to mind what Bashar mentioned (see below starting at 1:45). The gears in my mind are most certainly turning.

Cheers.


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[avatar]

what about the outside rear-mirrors in cars, i can remember the text "objects may appear closer than they are".

there is something in common with many other mandela effects, u can research old articles in google and u can even find david letterman jokes about it, another proof of merging timelines?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UaR4MgtDYA0/hqdefault.jpg

me too
I love this thread; where else could you discuss such things without appearing certifiable? :happythumbsup:

[Forest Denizen]

I find it synchronistic and fascinating that just last night before going to bed, this was the topic of conversation with my girlfriend. Particularly, I was telling her that I couldn't help but to feel that some of the "experiences" I've had over the past few years when sleeping are merely me experiencing life in a parallel reality. As I explained to her, they don't feel like regular dreams. Often times, there is no rhyme or reason or climax or point to some of these "experiences". What I mean by that is that often, these "experiences" will be of me just doing everyday, mundane stuff, e.g. brushing my teeth, reading, carrying on with casual conversations, going to the bathroom, etc. The one difference being that I notice that everything in this other reality is just slightly off or different than in our current reality.

I'll give you an example - I keep having recurring dreams or "experiences" in an alternate version of my house. The overall style of my house looks the same, but everything else is just slightly different, down to the layout of my neighborhood. Time and again during these "experiences", it's always in this exact same alternate house/neighborhood; my backyard/front yard are slightly larger, my street is just a bit wider, a bit more trees in my neighborhood, etc. It's consistently the same alternate neighborhood. In this alternate reality, I'm often in a relationship with another woman; whom I don't even know in this reality. (As a side note, and perhaps a discussion for another thread, I've had an OBE into this alternate house of mine, and in this alternate reality, had an experience with two Greys.)

I was explaining this to my girlfriend that just a few days ago I'd come across a recent Bashar video where he said a few things regarding parallel realities, and found it to coincide with what I'd long felt was the case (in the case of my own experiences). I brought up 9/11 in our conversation - I used the pentagon attack as an example where there are many very credible, well put together people who will swear that despite the physics of it, they saw an airliner make the low pass and slam into the side of the pentagon. Yet, on the other side of the spectrum you also have many credible, well put together people who will also swear that what they saw hit the pentagon was most certainly NOT an airliner (I for one, don't believe it was an airliner either).

I know it seems I sort of strayed from the premise of this Mandela Effect Reversal thread, but my intuition is telling me that this is all interconnected. Without sounding like I'm giving a free pass to societal ignorance and decay, what if SOME of the events or moments (9/11, Berenstein vs. Berenstain, fruit loops vs. froot loops, etc.) that we experience in our lives are regularly coalescing with an alternate version of this reality, thus, no matter how much debating and discussion is had, why some of the most credible, well put together people will never ever sway from the fact that they saw an airliner slam into the pentagon...because they actually did.

Suffice to say, I seem to notice these sorts of anomalies picking up over the past few years, which again, brings to mind what Bashar mentioned (see below starting at 1:45). The gears in my mind are most certainly turning.

Cheers...

ChristianSky, very intriguing post, thank you! I think you would be very interested if you were to take a look at the "EXPERIENCERS:.." thread started by Rachel. On that thread, we've been discussing exactly this idea of parallel realities, particularly as we encounter them during the so called "dream state."

This is something a number of us have experienced and likely many more who have not posted about it have also experienced the phenomenon. Your description is exactly as described by Rachel and others. The geography, topography is consistent time and time again when we return to these other realities. I am going to link to Rachel's thread here. There are a number of fascinating posts leading up to this particular one that I provide a link to below, and more following this post.

I think you might find this resonates with what you've been experiencing. Another very compelling piece of this giant puzzle that we are all a part of!


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:flower: :flower: :flower:

[Keajran]

Could there be residual affects form whatever it was that caused this in the first place? Maybe, I guess. Or is it being messed with again? Or is someone trying to correct things?

Too many questions that will probably never be answered.

Think about it - if someone came forward telling the truth about what happened, would it be believable?

Why was only a portion of the population affected? DNA?

Kejaranhybrid, I am seriously interested to know if things keep changing for you so I hope you keep posting in this thread. A lot of people choose to ignore things and just keep plodding along. It freaks me out that more people do not seem to care about what this is, or how/why it happened.

Mostly, we see that material things are/have been affected. What if actual people disappeared? What about the Berenstein Bears? That title is based on the author's last name - so there was a complete name change.

I have had a lot of paranormal experiences in my life. Still am, but lately it has not been so intrusive. But now I am sometimes wondering - when I leave a room (with 3 different lights on) and go back in a few minutes later and all of the lights are off is it paranormal or is it a subtle timeline shift? As Kejaranhybrid is seeing things change back and forth is this happening in subtle ways here and there? Sometimes things disappear and reappear. For example, sitting on the bed watching TV and the remote is gone - gone, and we have not left the bed. We can look through the entire sheets and it will not be there. I say to my spouse, "Just forget it - lets leave the room and when we come back it will be there." And yes, 3 minutes later and the remote is sitting on the bed. Yeah WTH. Perhaps it is timelines that are so close together they are interwoven.

Has there been a case where anyone has lost a person? The problem being if a person claimed that their family (that doesn't exist to anyone else) is missing, they would be considered to have brain damage. This is why I am still hung up on the Mandela Effect - because we don't have an answer and it could really be a problem for some people. What about the priests that have had their personal bible that has been in the family for years now suddenly different - the text inside is different. (For anyone that is not aware of the bible changes just look it up. The Lord's Prayer is different. There is now reference to bottles as opposed to wine skins. I am aware that there are new and updated prints - I am referring to a bible that has been in the possession of a person and has changed - like my own Berenstein Bear book that is now spelled as Berenstain bears.)


I will post any new changes I experience on this thread.

I think this is a case of moving between parallel worlds. I used to do have this experience regularly up until my 20s, in very obvious undeniable ways. Back then you learned very quickly to keep stuff like this to yourself. My friends would often tell me that whenever they were around me they would have strange mystical type experiences, and that it only happened when I was around.

Given my background of experiences, the Mandela Effect shouldn't have surprised me as much as it did, but I think it did because it was happening on a mass scale with a very select few events in question. It felt suspicious I guess. Like maybe someone/something was behind it.

Berenstain and Berenstein has probably switched around hundreds of times in my reality. I just hadn't noticed. Same with Fruit Loops and Froot Loops. I am a student or Buddhism and a practitioner. The Buddha taught that nothing exists inherently from it's own side. All phenonema are imputed by mind. When you change your mind, the world around your changes. This is happening all the time.

[Keajran]

I find it synchronistic and fascinating that just last night before going to bed, this was the topic of conversation with my girlfriend. Particularly, I was telling her that I couldn't help but to feel that some of the "experiences" I've had over the past few years when sleeping are merely me experiencing life in a parallel reality. As I explained to her, they don't feel like regular dreams. Often times, there is no rhyme or reason or climax or point to some of these "experiences". What I mean by that is that often, these "experiences" will be of me just doing everyday, mundane stuff, e.g. brushing my teeth, reading, carrying on with casual conversations, going to the bathroom, etc. The one difference being that I notice that everything in this other reality is just slightly off or different than in our current reality.
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ChristianSky, thanks for your input. This resonates with me. I too have had many parallel world experiences, in my waking life and in my dream state. The two have a very different quality about them tho, but I wont get into that here.

I love what Bashar says in this video :)

[Keajran]

ChristianSky, very intriguing post, thank you! I think you would be very interested if you were to take a look at the "EXPERIENCERS:.." thread started by Rachel. On that thread, we've been discussing exactly this idea of parallel realities, particularly as we encounter them during the so called "dream state."

This is something a number of us have experienced and likely many more who have not posted about it have also experienced the phenomenon. Your description is exactly as described by Rachel and others. The geography, topography is consistent time and time again when we return to these other realities. I am going to quote Rachel here from that thread. There are a number of fascinating posts leading up to this particular one, and more following this post.

I think you might find this resonates with what you've been experiencing. Another very compelling piece of this giant puzzle that we are all a part of!


Hi Forest Denizen, Thanks for this post. I too have had these experiences. Would also love to check out this thread. Thanks!

[ChristianSky]

I find it synchronistic and fascinating that just last night before going to bed, this was the topic of conversation with my girlfriend. Particularly, I was telling her that I couldn't help but to feel that some of the "experiences" I've had over the past few years when sleeping are merely me experiencing life in a parallel reality. As I explained to her, they don't feel like regular dreams. Often times, there is no rhyme or reason or climax or point to some of these "experiences". What I mean by that is that often, these "experiences" will be of me just doing everyday, mundane stuff, e.g. brushing my teeth, reading, carrying on with casual conversations, going to the bathroom, etc. The one difference being that I notice that everything in this other reality is just slightly off or different than in our current reality.

I'll give you an example - I keep having recurring dreams or "experiences" in an alternate version of my house. The overall style of my house looks the same, but everything else is just slightly different, down to the layout of my neighborhood. Time and again during these "experiences", it's always in this exact same alternate house/neighborhood; my backyard/front yard are slightly larger, my street is just a bit wider, a bit more trees in my neighborhood, etc. It's consistently the same alternate neighborhood. In this alternate reality, I'm often in a relationship with another woman; whom I don't even know in this reality. (As a side note, and perhaps a discussion for another thread, I've had an OBE into this alternate house of mine, and in this alternate reality, had an experience with two Greys.)

I was explaining this to my girlfriend that just a few days ago I'd come across a recent Bashar video where he said a few things regarding parallel realities, and found it to coincide with what I'd long felt was the case (in the case of my own experiences). I brought up 9/11 in our conversation - I used the pentagon attack as an example where there are many very credible, well put together people who will swear that despite the physics of it, they saw an airliner make the low pass and slam into the side of the pentagon. Yet, on the other side of the spectrum you also have many credible, well put together people who will also swear that what they saw hit the pentagon was most certainly NOT an airliner (I for one, don't believe it was an airliner either).

I know it seems I sort of strayed from the premise of this Mandela Effect Reversal thread, but my intuition is telling me that this is all interconnected. Without sounding like I'm giving a free pass to societal ignorance and decay, what if SOME of the events or moments (9/11, Berenstein vs. Berenstain, fruit loops vs. froot loops, etc.) that we experience in our lives are regularly coalescing with an alternate version of this reality, thus, no matter how much debating and discussion is had, why some of the most credible, well put together people will never ever sway from the fact that they saw an airliner slam into the pentagon...because they actually did.

Suffice to say, I seem to notice these sorts of anomalies picking up over the past few years, which again, brings to mind what Bashar mentioned (see below starting at 1:45). The gears in my mind are most certainly turning.

Cheers...

ChristianSky, very intriguing post, thank you! I think you would be very interested if you were to take a look at the "EXPERIENCERS:.." thread started by Rachel. On that thread, we've been discussing exactly this idea of parallel realities, particularly as we encounter them during the so called "dream state."

This is something a number of us have experienced and likely many more who have not posted about it have also experienced the phenomenon. Your description is exactly as described by Rachel and others. The geography, topography is consistent time and time again when we return to these other realities. I am going to quote Rachel here from that thread. There are a number of fascinating posts leading up to this particular one, and more following this post.

I think you might find this resonates with what you've been experiencing. Another very compelling piece of this giant puzzle that we are all a part of!



I have always found the whole subject of parallel realities somewhat uncomfortable.. disturbing. When I have found myself dreaming in what seemed to be a parallel reality, it has never been a good dream or a happy dream. Instead, it has always felt somehow off, with an uneasy undertone to the experience.

I only ever feel excitement about the topic because I love it so much but I’ve had these dreams for roughly five years now and none of them could be described as fun either. The primary reason for me is the very nature of the experience.

So far I’ve found that just as I start getting used to something it intensifies and shifts in some way, so I’m always kept on my toes. I don’t mind, it keeps things progressing, but it’s intense when it comes to these dreams. I’m this me in the other self and I have to try and recall the life of the other self. It’s like trying to recall a dream that you know you had, you can feel it, but can’t remember any of the details. I suspect the purpose is integration of selves, long story that I won’t go into but that’s touched on in The OA too.

At first I was almost panicked. I’d find myself standing in a street somewhere, not knowing where I live, with no way of contacting anyone I knew. Discovering/realising that is a scary process in itself. Meanwhile I wasn’t aware I was dreaming, so for me I just suddenly lost all my memories but could remember my son and BF, which is like losing myself, my loved ones, and becoming displaced and homeless. I felt lost. Then awareness would start creeping in, which introduced a new wave of emotions to deal with. Long story short, those earlier dreams pretty much consisted of that and trying to figure out where I lived, I’d be able to sense the general area in which I lived and once I came up with an approach or solution I’d wake up.

After some experience I’d have more awareness, so the situation for me became trying to remember the details of the life of the other self (it always was that but I hadn’t previously realised it). But still the awareness that I’m dreaming is limited and varies, so I confuse this life with that one. That state is different to this one, so awareness manifests differently. On reflection I can see the awareness in my knowledge and behaviour but I’m in the moment, I don’t reflect, hence I don’t process and comprehend so well at the time. And always I’m still feeling lost, but I did manage to find a previous residence without going from door to door (my previous idea for a solution) and now the dreams have changed again.

The most recent one was three nights ago. A lot to go into in full but I ended up at the home of some old friends. We were just catching up like friends do when they haven’t seen each other in a long time. They fully recognised me but I didn’t recognise any of them, but I could feel who they were. I still kept confusing this self with that one and when I reflected on it they seemed to be aware of that but didn’t correct me. So it’s getting complicated, I don’t know what that is yet, maybe a different dimension.

Something different happened when I woke up this time too, well almost happened, I stopped it. I woke up with the clear sense that something was about to happen while I was awake, like I was going to be taken somewhere. I don’t know why I wasn’t up for it, natural human fear of the unknown I suppose, but I felt that I didn’t have time to fully rouse my body before it happened, so I tried to quickly call out to my BF. Too late, my eyes went and my body was already paralysed by the time I tried to yell out. Hard to explain what happened to my eyes, they closed and it felt like my eyeballs rolled back or fully dilated. Overall it would be best described as being somewhat unplugged. But I was conscious so I fought it, regained control of my body and quickly yelled out to my BF. I sensed nothing negative about it, HS never intervened, so next time I’ll go with it and find out what that’s about.

I have shared an experience of going into my future self on another thread, will find it and post it here.


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Thank you, Forest Denizen - I appreciate your feedback. Back in 2013 when these "experiences" started (or at least when I started becoming aware of them), under the advisement of several wise individuals, I created a short-form journal to start documenting them - now almost 100 pages long.

Other than just a small number of people, I've been reluctant to share my experiences - even within the Project Avalon forum, mainly for the reason that I'm a very private/reserved individual. However, another reason for not sharing my experiences is simply the fact that I have many unanswered questions regarding my experiences, and because of my own hard headedness, I often think to myself that I'll just figure this out on my own. Thus, believe it or not, why I haven't even looked at the "Experiencers" section to this point.

Yet, I am well aware that there are many that fall into the category such as the one I find myself in, within the Project Avalon community. I will definitely take your recommendation under advisement. Thank you, again.

Christian

[Innocent Warrior]

ChristianSky, very intriguing post, thank you! I think you would be very interested if you were to take a look at the "EXPERIENCERS:.." thread started by Rachel. On that thread, we've been discussing exactly this idea of parallel realities, particularly as we encounter them during the so called "dream state."

This is something a number of us have experienced and likely many more who have not posted about it have also experienced the phenomenon. Your description is exactly as described by Rachel and others. The geography, topography is consistent time and time again when we return to these other realities. I am going to quote Rachel here from that thread. There are a number of fascinating posts leading up to this particular one, and more following this post.

I think you might find this resonates with what you've been experiencing. Another very compelling piece of this giant puzzle that we are all a part of!

Hello lovely Mr F Denizen. Just a reminder that the Experiencers thread is a private, members only thread. OK to post links to it on public threads but not the contents. Don’t stress at all about this time though, it’s all good.

:flower:

[Forest Denizen]

ChristianSky, very intriguing post, thank you! I think you would be very interested if you were to take a look at the "EXPERIENCERS:.." thread started by Rachel. On that thread, we've been discussing exactly this idea of parallel realities, particularly as we encounter them during the so called "dream state."

This is something a number of us have experienced and likely many more who have not posted about it have also experienced the phenomenon. Your description is exactly as described by Rachel and others. The geography, topography is consistent time and time again when we return to these other realities. I am going to quote Rachel here from that thread. There are a number of fascinating posts leading up to this particular one, and more following this post.

I think you might find this resonates with what you've been experiencing. Another very compelling piece of this giant puzzle that we are all a part of!

Hello lovely Mr F Denizen. Just a reminder that the Experiencers thread is a private, members only thread. OK to post links to it on public threads but not the contents. Don’t stress at all about this time though, it’s all good.

:flower:

Thanks Rachel!! I suddenly realized that and came back to deal with it :facepalm:

In my excitement to share the info contained in your wonderful posts, I forgot that it was in the “members’ eyes only” area.

My apologies, Love.

:heart: :heart:

[WhiteFeather]

I thought Kirk Douglas had died years ago, nope, still alive.

[Chrysalis]

Hello, Avalon...long time no see. :)

The Mandela Effect is one of my top interests of the esoteric variety. I notice things, but cannot name anything specific (other than, "I thought he/she was dead"). I am a lifelong observer and feel very connected to the circulation of human experiences, from a soul perspective. There is no doubt in my mind that over the past several years things have been winding up for us humans, and that reality is being blurred. Also, my dreams are off the charts...very vivid, very real.

Then again, reality is only a state of mind.

Peace, Avalon!

[TomKat]

I think a lot of things are mislabeled as Mandela Effect when they are in fact, faulty memory. I've always thought of them as Fruit Loops, but in fact, they weren't spelled that way on the box. Also, in some countries such as Australia you can't trademark an English word, such as Fruit, but Froot would be OK.

[Patient]

I think a lot of things are mislabeled as Mandela Effect when they are in fact, faulty memory. I've always thought of them as Fruit Loops, but in fact, they weren't spelled that way on the box. Also, in some countries such as Australia you can't trademark an English word, such as Fruit, but Froot would be OK.

Yes, it is true that many things that people brought up were indeed due to faulty memories - and in most cases those people were asking for the opinion of others for verification whether it was a faulty memory or not.

The good thing about that is that people were asking. We need people to ask questions and not just accept things right?

When I first came upon the Mandela Effect I thought right away that this could be something that was created online to test the population. I knew that I needed something solid. I wasn't going to just accept what I read on the internet. So I went digging in our home because I knew that we had a couple of the Berenstein Bear books but I wasn't sure if we still had them. When I found that book that I had read almost a hundred times to my kids and I saw that that book had changed, well yeah, I freaked! I ran and showed my wife and kids and they all were astonished that it had changed.

Another thing that I did. There is an old heritage type park near our place. One of those parks like an old "pioneer village" where people can take their kids and see how people lived long ago. There is an old garage there that was old enough to have a place in the park. On the side of the building there is a large FORD logo that was originally painted on the building. It is really faded but still visible enough to see that is has the Ford logo with the weird 'F' that has the little loop. Prior to seeing that in person I was still sceptical of the Ford logo change as I wondered if it was just a recent change that I did not notice. But no, there it was on the old building. Wow.

[Didgevillage]

Mandela effects cannot and should not be brushed aside as simple false memory.
The name of the South African terrorist is unfortunate, but this phenomenon is deep rooted.
Whether it involves timeline shift or parallel reality, I don't know.

But we have to be wary of AI psy-op. It may do a lot of flip-flopping.
Jim Stone points out:
The Gettysburg speech: Was it "fathers" or "forefathers"?
Definitely the latter,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hYZFUsOuw
(It is in the song, and cannot be changed)
but AI, in cahoots with Google, is pretending to be the former.

I really don't care much about minor changes in the lyrics of popular songs and such, because popular culture is what it is. It comes and goes and is of no historical significance.

But the mask of Pharaoh Tut is.
He definitely had one single cobra on it. Never a vulture.

[Patient]

Mandela effects cannot and should not be brushed aside as simple false memory.
The name of the South African terrorist is unfortunate, but this phenomenon is deep rooted.
Whether it involves timeline shift or parallel reality, I don't know.

But we have to be wary of AI psy-op. It may do a lot of flip-flopping.
Jim Stone points out:
The Gettysburg speech: Was it "fathers" or "forefathers"?
Definitely the latter,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hYZFUsOuw
(It is in the song, and cannot be changed)
but AI, in cahoots with Google, is pretending to be the former.

I really don't care much about minor changes in the lyrics of popular songs and such, because popular culture is what it is. It comes and goes and is of no historical significance.

But the mask of Pharaoh Tut is.
He definitely had one single cobra on it. Never a vulture.

When did you discover the change to Tut?

I did not hear about this one until just now, and like you I recall it with only the cobra.

[Orph]

Here is something...

I do not recall the Ford logo as having that loop on the "F".

I too, have never noticed that little loop-de-loop on the letter F of the Ford logo. (I've owned Fords for the last 25 years or so). So I googled "History of Ford Motor Co." and then clicked on the "images" icon up at the top of the google page. One of the pages has Ford logo images dating back to the very beginning. That "loop" on the letter F dates back to 1912.

Although I do believe the Mandela effect is a real possibility, we have to be careful that things we ascribe to the Mandela effect isn't just, (as TomKat mentioned above), faulty memory, or simply not noticing something that has always been there.

There has been many, many times that I would walk, or drive down a street that I've travelled hundreds of times. Then one day, I notice something I've never seen before. Something plainly obvious. How could I possibly not have seen that before? Is it Mandela effect? Did I slip into a parallel universe? Was I so inattentive that the object didn't register in my brain? ........

I'm not saying there is no such thing as the Mandela effect, parallel universes, and other things. But we have to accept that at least some of the time, it's due to us just being a fallible human being.

[TomKat]

Another thing that I did. There is an old heritage type park near our place. One of those parks like an old "pioneer village" where people can take their kids and see how people lived long ago. There is an old garage there that was old enough to have a place in the park. On the side of the building there is a large FORD logo that was originally painted on the building. It is really faded but still visible enough to see that is has the Ford logo with the weird 'F' that has the little loop. Prior to seeing that in person I was still sceptical of the Ford logo change as I wondered if it was just a recent change that I did not notice. But no, there it was on the old building. Wow.

You verified that Ford was always spelt with the loop on the F, correct? It still has that loop on the F, so what am I missing?

[Didgevillage]

If a Mandela effect occurs, everything changes accordingly.

What cannot be touched is your consciousness, so it may not be a bad idea to start writing a diary and making sketches of everything.

Along the decorative loop in the Ford F, there is now a separation between V and W in the Volkswagen logo.
Taking out your old photos is useless because they have changed as well. Thus the importance of diaries and hand-made sketches


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Probably it's a good idea to hand-write you diary, or use old-fashioned typewriter

[T Smith]

It's always good to keep your own record, either hand-written or hand-drawn sketches.
"Official" photographs are bound to change along with Mandela effect or reversal thereof.

This won't work. If the timeline changes, so will your sketches. So will VHS tapes or any other physical evidence.

The only thing that may survive the timeline shift is your memory, which, it would seem, is quantumly entangled with various timelines.

[T Smith]

I think a lot of things are mislabeled as Mandela Effect when they are in fact, faulty memory. I've always thought of them as Fruit Loops, but in fact, they weren't spelled that way on the box. Also, in some countries such as Australia you can't trademark an English word, such as Fruit, but Froot would be OK.

I'm not specifically disagreeing with you, but bear in mind if there was a timeline shift, what you can or can't trademark in one timeline may well be irrelevant in another. Just sayin'.

Personally, I tend to think there are many instances of the Mandela Effect that can be attributed to faulty memory; other examples (like Jaws/Moonraker scene) are very compelling and much harder to attribute to a mass confusion of memory. She had braces. I've discussed this scene throughout my life, well before the Mandala Effect ever existed. There may be some other phenomena going on--perhaps something entirely unrelated to the Mandela Effect--but this one example alone (and I'm sure there are others) in no way have anything to do with faulty memory.

[Satori]

Another thing that I did. There is an old heritage type park near our place. One of those parks like an old "pioneer village" where people can take their kids and see how people lived long ago. There is an old garage there that was old enough to have a place in the park. On the side of the building there is a large FORD logo that was originally painted on the building. It is really faded but still visible enough to see that is has the Ford logo with the weird 'F' that has the little loop. Prior to seeing that in person I was still sceptical of the Ford logo change as I wondered if it was just a recent change that I did not notice. But no, there it was on the old building. Wow.

You verified that Ford was always spelt with the loop on the F, correct? It still has that loop on the F, so what am I missing?

Ford is also spelled without the loop, but not on the official name/logo. It is sometimes FORD, no loop, on parts manufactured by third party vendors, not Ford per se. This is typically so on older vehicles, especially trucks. To me, no mystery. It's both types of print, not one or the other, but it depends on the year, make and model.

[Didgevillage]

Your consciousness, hand-written records and hand-drawn sketches won't change.
It is important to know that dark forces are at work also.
The AI, Google, and the liberals will change the American Constitution (I suspect) and claim it's all your faulty memory.

Americans out there, keep the record of the Constitutions by all means possible.
They have already changed the Lincoln Gettysburg address from "forefathers" to "fathers".
But luckily there's Johnny Cash song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hYZFUsOuw


Look at this!
Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/gettysburg/good_cause/transcript.htm

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Gettysburg-Address

[T Smith]

Your consciousness, hand-written records and hand-drawn sketches won't change.
It is important to know that dark forces are at work also.
The AI, Google, and the liberals will change the American Constitution (I suspect) and claim it's all your faulty memory.

Americans out there, keep the record of the Constitutions by all means possible.
They have already changed the Lincoln Gettysburg address from "forefathers" to "fathers".
But luckily there's Johnny Cash song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hYZFUsOuw


Look at this!
Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/gettysburg/good_cause/transcript.htm

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Gettysburg-Address

The way I personally understand this is one is connected, like a rubber band, to infinite pasts and futures, through the now, which materializes via consciousness. This is the primary function of consciousness, to materialize the now. You chose the present. So it follows in a multiverse of infinite probability (think quantum mechanics) whatever present you chose (or materialize) thus determines one's past. Just as consciousness collapses the wave function in quantum mechanics to a single possibility, you can only have "one" past associated with "one" now. So as you "choose" the now, you also chose a specific past tethered to the now.

In other words, as you move through the present, you are literally changing the past, moment by moment. What your consciousness understands as the past is simply a timeline connected to the present your consciousness has chosen. The past and the future are thus malleable, via the present. This is all an unconscious process at our current level of spiritual development as a species: we can only perceive one past and one now, which will eventually be connected to one future; but eventually, as our consciousness evolves, this process will become a conscious discipline as the species evolves in spiritual development to entirely new awareness of being in multiple realities.

Given as such, why wouldn't your sketches and hand-written records also change? You have so many versions of those sketches and records in the realm of probability, some of which only differing by a "dotted I" or a "crossed T", some radically different in idea and scope. Every time you materialize your present, those sketches alter and change. It's all malleable and dependent on the now.


The Mandela effect has somehow bled some of our parallel pasts--or a specific parallel past--into our now, via our consciousness. Was it Cern? The Philadelphia experiment? Or some other phenomena? Who knows? But somehow a specific alternate past, perhaps but one shade next to past tethered to the now, has become entwined with our consciousness. We are conscious of it even though it is no longer tethered to the now. Somehow we are becoming aware of multiple realities, or of a specific alternate reality.

My guess is this might be but a nascent stage of what will eventually become a common function of our consciousness as we navigate through reality.

[Patient]

Your consciousness, hand-written records and hand-drawn sketches won't change.
It is important to know that dark forces are at work also.
The AI, Google, and the liberals will change the American Constitution (I suspect) and claim it's all your faulty memory.

Americans out there, keep the record of the Constitutions by all means possible.
They have already changed the Lincoln Gettysburg address from "forefathers" to "fathers".
But luckily there's Johnny Cash song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hYZFUsOuw


Look at this!
Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/gettysburg/good_cause/transcript.htm

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Gettysburg-Address

The way I personally understand this is one is connected, like a rubber band, to infinite pasts and futures, through the now, which materializes via consciousness. This is the primary function of consciousness, to materialize the now. You chose the present. So it follows in a multiverse of infinite probability (think quantum mechanics) whatever present you chose (or materialize) thus determines one's past. Just as consciousness collapses the wave function in quantum mechanics to a single possibility, you can only have "one" past associated with "one" now. So as you "choose" the now, you also chose a specific past tethered to the now.

In other words, as you move through the present, you are literally changing the past, moment by moment. What your consciousness understands as the past is simply a timeline connected to the present your consciousness has chosen. The past and the future are thus malleable, via the present. This is all an unconscious process at our current level of spiritual development as a species: we can only perceive one past and one now, which will eventually be connected to one future; but eventually, as our consciousness evolves, this process will become a conscious discipline as the species evolves in spiritual development to entirely new awareness of being in multiple realities.

Given as such, why wouldn't your sketches and hand-written records also change? You have so many versions of those sketches and records in the realm of probability, some of which only differing by a "dotted I" or a "crossed T", some radically different in idea and scope. Every time you materialize your present, those sketches alter and change. It's all malleable and dependent on the now.


The Mandela effect has somehow bled some of our parallel pasts--or a specific parallel past--into our now, via our consciousness. Was it Cern? The Philadelphia experiment? Or some other phenomena? Who knows? But somehow a specific alternate past, perhaps but one shade next to past tethered to the now, has become entwined with our consciousness. We are conscious of it even though it is no longer tethered to the now. Somehow we are becoming aware of multiple realities, or of a specific alternate reality.

My guess is this might be but a nascent stage of what will eventually become a common function of our consciousness as we navigate through reality.

One thing that keeps me wondering is how did we end up with a percentage of the population recalling one past and the other group recalling a different one? When we take away advertising things that have confused people due to changing graphics (for example), and we look at the stronger examples (Like the Berenstein/Berenstain bears, and Jaws in 007 for example) the 2 groups are clearly divided. The mandela effect has messed with the memories of only a certain percentage of people. How did this happen?

And this is why I feel it was something that was tampered with.

[Didgevillage]

Did Pharaoh Tut's mask have a cobra AND a vulture?
No way.

Neither was "fathers" instead of "forefathers."
The former is a Mandela effect.
The latter is a psy-op.

[TomKat]

One thing that keeps me wondering is how did we end up with a percentage of the population recalling one past and the other group recalling a different one? When we take away advertising things that have confused people due to changing graphics (for example), and we look at the stronger examples (Like the Berenstein/Berenstain bears, and Jaws in 007 for example) the 2 groups are clearly divided. The mandela effect has messed with the memories of only a certain percentage of people. How did this happen?

The mandela effect didn't mess with anyone's memories. The mandela effect is about people switching timelines. Jaws' girlfriend had braces in my original timeline, but not in this one.

[Patient]

One thing that keeps me wondering is how did we end up with a percentage of the population recalling one past and the other group recalling a different one? When we take away advertising things that have confused people due to changing graphics (for example), and we look at the stronger examples (Like the Berenstein/Berenstain bears, and Jaws in 007 for example) the 2 groups are clearly divided. The mandela effect has messed with the memories of only a certain percentage of people. How did this happen?

The mandela effect didn't mess with anyone's memories. The mandela effect is about people switching timelines. Jaws' girlfriend had braces in my original timeline, but not in this one.

Sure, just to be clear I should/could have based that point on "timelines" and not "memories".

But, we do definitely know that one person's memories on one timeline would be different than the other's.

However, do we have definitive proof that this is based on being on different timelines? If so, then my one long aching question "How did this happen?" could be answered.

Being more specific; How did the timelines get changed? And if indeed that is what happened, what is the ultimate purpose?

[Bob]

I would wonder why we have memories of different timelines, not just one - are we then on simultaneous timelines experiencing multiple outcomes?

Do we ever settle into the desired "quantum hologram" (another word for timeline maybe more descriptive what time-line is) ?

[Bob]

On @Patient's question about how did the timelines get changed.

I did point this out in another thread, another post (another timeline ?? eeeee !! ) that during the explosions/implosions of the hydrogen bomb devices of the 1950's a set of time bubbles were sent out.. The explosion/implosion created a fast moving (they call it PHASE SPACE signal) riding on top a view would be like a surfer riding the crest of a wave.. not quite the best visual but u get the idea)... time shift - multiple waves were crossed (multiple time lines) and the "signal" traveling across the surface of those waves, picked up (that's the quantum entanglement) what was happening in those tracks, and then CARRIED to the next set of tracks, the information..

Eventually when the hydrogen weapon's ripples waves subsided, many tracks and outcomes were contaminated with data/information from the other tracks.

Where were WE during all this? I don't know how to answer that, but that is all I have on it.. The shifts/timelines came from the wavefront interaction from the weapons detonation (explosion/implosion).

It is my belief, I don't know if it is shared, that "they" are aware of this and are concerned about way too many things are messed up..

The Richard Feynman lectures get into the riding the crest or traveling using phase, faster than the speed of light.. http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_48.html BTW for whatever its worth Feynman heard about my researches in 1986 - two years before he died.

Besides being one of the proponents for quantum entanglement, and the quantum hologram (although he didnt call it that then) he was encouraged to work on the nuclear weapons, to boost yield.. He died of a nasty cancer, some thing happened from exposure in excess. (And not from my talking to him rocking him to his core that we could indeed map holographically space time "reality" in 4D and play it back in 5D.. snicker)..

I had demonstrated repeatedly that effects could be created that precede an actual generation of an event which would create an effect. That such generation would create both forward and backward time waves and thus establish itself as "real" (some call the backward wave the SHADOW, or objects cannot exist as real unless they can cast a shadow, kinda basic and non-explicit, but easy enough for a lay person to understand)... This is very relevant in understanding how the H-Bomb's massive energies were able to bridge time-lines.. Feynman was able to grasp that logic. OF course that would open up Mandela effects, and time travel - best to leave time travel tools to another thread :)

[Patient]

I would wonder why we have memories of different timelines, not just one - are we then on simultaneous timelines experiencing multiple outcomes?

Do we ever settle into the desired "quantum hologram" (another word for timeline maybe more descriptive what time-line is) ?

Yeah - why am I here and not there? But I am there, apparently. Someone will say that we are everywhere all the time.

*sigh*

[Patient]

On @Patient's question about how did the timelines get changed.

I did point this out in another thread, another post (another timeline ?? eeeee !! ) that during the explosions/implosions of the hydrogen bomb devices of the 1950's a set of time bubbles were sent out.. The explosion/implosion created a fast moving (they call it PHASE SPACE signal) riding on top a view would be like a surfer riding the crest of a wave.. not quite the best visual but u get the idea)... time shift - multiple waves were crossed (multiple time lines) and the "signal" traveling across the surface of those waves, picked up (that's the quantum entanglement) what was happening in those tracks, and then CARRIED to the next set of tracks, the information..

Eventually when the hydrogen weapon's ripples waves subsided, many tracks and outcomes were contaminated with data/information from the other tracks.

Where were WE during all this? I don't know how to answer that, but that is all I have on it.. The shifts/timelines came from the wavefront interaction from the weapons detonation (explosion/implosion).

It is my belief, I don't know if it is shared, that "they" are aware of this and are concerned about way too many things are messed up..

The Richard Feynman lectures get into the riding the crest or traveling using phase, faster than the speed of light.. http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_48.html BTW for whatever its worth Feynman heard about my researches in 1986 - two years before he died.

Besides being one of the proponents for quantum entanglement, and the quantum hologram (although he didnt call it that then) he was encouraged to work on the nuclear weapons, to boost yield.. He died of a nasty cancer, some thing happened from exposure in excess. (And not from my talking to him rocking him to his core that we could indeed map holographically space time "reality" in 4D and play it back in 5D.. snicker)..

I had demonstrated repeatedly that effects could be created that precede an actual generation of an event which would create an effect. That such generation would create both forward and backward time waves and thus establish itself as "real" (some call the backward wave the SHADOW, or objects cannot exist as real unless they can cast a shadow, kinda basic and non-explicit, but easy enough for a lay person to understand)... This is very relevant in understanding how the H-Bomb's massive energies were able to bridge time-lines.. Feynman was able to grasp that logic. OF course that would open up Mandela effects, and time travel - best to leave time travel tools to another thread :)

Oh geeez...Bob, I had thought that I read every post in every Mandela thread so perhaps you are right and it very well could have been that you did that post on another timeline. (Did you check to see if it is still with us here? To be clear, I am not being sarcastic.)

So now, I am posting this as much as to have a conversation with you as I am for other people to read. Perhaps this wave of thought can carry some momentum and reach the right people - but will it have the right effect? ;)

Bob, I expect that you most likely have had this conversation before (and that is not a time travel pun - I will add something to support the fact that I am intending to make a pun if I make one).

When you say, "I had demonstrated repeatedly that effects could be created that precede an actual generation of an event which would create an effect. That such generation would create both forward and backward time waves and thus establish itself as "real" (some call the backward wave the SHADOW, or objects cannot exist as real unless they can cast a shadow, kinda basic and non-explicit, but easy enough for a lay person to understand)... This is very relevant in understanding how the H-Bomb's massive energies were able to bridge time-lines.. Feynman was able to grasp that logic. OF course that would open up Mandela effects, and time travel -" Was this information demonstrated to people who might be responsible for actually detonating such energy accidentally through a W.O.M.D.?

I expect that the math to support what you are saying has been worked through by a large number of people by now and within that community this has been theorized and well known. Has this resulted in there being a known limit to a "safe" amount of force used in an explosion? Are they working within that limit or ignoring it?

Working through what I want to say in my mind, I have already come to the conclusion that I know the answers, but I am needing to say this anyway...

A couple things...IF the governments of the world now know the results of such detonations, why do we still have nuclear weapons? I suppose since the knowledge is there, we always will have them.

Back to the Mandela effect...why is this information being swept under the rug? Why not use the Mandela Effect to educate the masses? At the very least, to acknowledge what has happened.

Considering the effect caused by the detonation of the bombs there is really no way to say when the effects will stop occurring - or what the most extreme change could be? If people are not aware, then some innocent people could really have their lives messed up.

Like so many things - the more we know, the further we have to go.

A Mandela Effect Reversal is a real possibility - at least for those who find themselves on that wave.

[Bob]

@Patient three thumbs up - great questions and dots connecting I think..


Mandela Effect Reversal is a real possibility - at least for those who find themselves on that wave.
I think so. Depending on what wave one is on, or interacted with (quantum interconnectedness concept) - The question has always been, do we have a choice to pick if we are "sliding" - speaking about sliding - the old SciFy "Sliders" gets into quantum track lines that seem close enough but different enough - one never meets oneself cause in the other track, the oneself in that track line is also "sliding" - everyone take one step to the right type of concept..


I am posting this as much as to have a conversation with you as I am for other people to read. Perhaps this wave of thought can carry some momentum and reach the right people - but will it have the right effect?

I can point out ever since I was in grade school in the 50's and early 60's the concept of HOW the time wave or track shift phenomena kept appearing infront of me, very Tesla-like. The waves interact in a backwards and forwards motion - and dimensional standing waves appear. It looked very fractal to me, visually.


B: "I had demonstrated repeatedly that effects could be created that precede an actual generation of an event which would create an effect. That such generation would create both forward and backward time waves and thus establish itself as "real" "

Slight differences in the wave fields (that is a LOT of data when you look at all the interactions happening in some local space that define that local space. The explosion/implosion has to generate the phase wave over the normal vibrations of time space - sounds a little bit like "strings", but let's not go into that to keep it simple. The strings are all vibrating away normally, and reality is proceeding as expected, we're moving forwards to wards an erosion of the time space vibrations as they die out due to entropy. Along comes a nuclear explosion and all the strings are interrupted, and a new wave of both forward and backward moving information appears - data then starts getting merged between the strings (time space tracks start briefly overlapping).. And consciousness which works on perceiving information to understand what it is, where it is and when it is, starts to get data from elsewhere and elsewhen. Future events start to bleed into past events, past events start to influence future events, and outcomes which were expected to be CHANGE.. PREDICTABILITY goes out the window.


I expect that the math to support what you are saying has been worked through by a large number of people by now and within that community this has been theorized and well known. Has this resulted in there being a known limit to a "safe" amount of force used in an explosion? Are they working within that limit or ignoring it?

When I realized the mechanics, I build models, and real-to-life-forcefields I found could be created. I've tested this since 1990, first having bumped into it in the Great Pyramid when I observed the effect could be evoked acoustically. It was a simple test to look at waveform construction with backward and forward components - it is done mathematically these days as we don't need massive structures to be a model. Great model the Great Pyramid to be a learning tool. Something to not forget something from way back when a re-incarnation happens sometime in the future..


A couple things...IF the governments of the world now know the results of such detonations, why do we still have nuclear weapons? I suppose since the knowledge is there, we always will have them.
How could anyone explain to Trump for instance any of the above? Impossible.. The political folk just don't know the science, the math and couldn't care. Probably the black project folks are very concerned that predictability is tossed out the window when a bubble of that warping sliding effect happens. Way too many people are observing the effects, way way many.. And attempting to cover that up I don't think is working. We don't have hydrogen bomb tests any more, and who knows what the last big Soviet Test did with the multi-megaton dooms'day device. Small local tests are done, and quite possibly there is a threshold how vast the distortions will travel (forward and backward).

I joked to a US Airforce Lt. Colonel in 1999 about give me a 20 kiloton nuke and I can modify it to stop the time bubbles and track shifts. She worked out of the nuclear repository in Florida that the US has. I was invited to meet with some of the people there, interesting bunch.. I never got my mini-nuke to experiment with, but at that point they knew I knew.. We ended up not doing anything what-so-ever with the airforce. Or the nukes, or the solutions, but I did proceed to develop the quantum hologram technology, which eventually could fix a lot of the damage. More of a micro-fix concept, a lot of units to fix dispersed over the world linked together to hold the time-space strings stable when a bubble hits. It was tested to be able to stop massive tsunami's to change outcomes which would have if left unchecked been disastrous for Hawaii and Japan.. (different story not for this thread)..


Back to the Mandela effect...why is this information being swept under the rug? Why not use the Mandela Effect to educate the masses? At the very least, to acknowledge what has happened.

My feeling on that is, it would be like disclosure - an effect like that relates back to space time travel, teleportation, eventually holo-replication, electro-medicine-healing, and freedom - things that slavers don't want people to have.


Considering the effect caused by the detonation of the bombs there is really no way to say when the effects will stop occurring - or what the most extreme change could be? If people are not aware, then some innocent people could really have their lives messed up.

gut feeling on that one - I have an idea that they plotted historically backwards to map out the backward timewave anomaly - like when major events shifted, and they could see a particular pattern appear with a particular yield. But from what I recall with the Philadelphia project, the thoughts (quantum information being created by living minds) can alter effects.. What is noted, when the wave goes through the zero point, in the zero, it is like everything in the universe is accessible all at once.. Where one materializes is based on the information going IN to the zero.. Done correctly what comes out of the zero is a proper space time line with status quo maintained. It is absolutely fascinating working with it, experiencing it, and for those not knowing what is happening, very frustrating..


Like so many things - the more we know, the further we have to go.

A Mandela Effect Reversal is a real possibility - at least for those who find themselves on that wave.

the USAF colonel knew the potential.. She took whatever efforts she could to divert looking at this, and its ramifications. I've never seen ANY interest in developing this by any black ops groups, or any commercial research groups. Its as if some time lock was put on looking into this sorta stuff.

[pluton]

I mean, I was obsessed with this particular Mandela effect back in 2003, and again in 2016 and I know without a shadow of a doubt what I saw, what I read, what I was thinking both those times, so what now??

The reason why there exists the time difference 2003 - 2016 lies in the conceptual handling of the subject which affects memory. If you desire to name the phenomenon, you go "first thing first" and highlight the first letters of the word "memory" and use them as initials for the name of the phenomenon:

MEmory ---> M. E. ----> Mandela Effect.

After that, you use the initials M and E as the time shift in some significant cases. Since M=13 and E=5 (M is the 13th letter and E is the 5th letter of the alphabet), the time shift involves either 13 or 5 years, where the year is a time unit usually used. Since 2003+13=2016, the 13 years time difference was used in your case.

Of course, there was the option to use the 5-year difference, or 2003+5=2008, but the criterion of choice must be publicly available. So it was your nick that decided:

Kejaranhybrid = 13 (letters)

The 13 time units is generally preferred, because 13 has such a property that both digits can be accidently joined with the result being similar to letter B

1 & 3 ---> B,

where B is the initial of Bologna - a place of a significant manifestation of the Mandela Effect.

Note this seemingly nonsensical expression:

100 - August = 92

Actually those folks who are not capable of a simple conversion will regard the expression as insane. But if you set

August = 8 (th month of the year)

then 100-August=92 makes perfectly sense, as it must, because it was applied in the study of the Mandela Effect:

"A 2010 study examined people who were familiar with the clock at Bologna Centrale railway station, which had been damaged in the Bologna massacre bombing in August 1980. In the study, 92% falsely remembered that the clock had remained stopped since the bombing, when in fact, the clock was repaired shortly after the attack. Years later the clock was again stopped and was then set to the time of the bombing in observation and commemoration of the bombing."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Commonly_held_false_memories

The implication is quite unsettling: the human brain can be hacked by the means of super-advanced neuroscience. But in the case of scientific studies conducted by the human mind, the ability to override stupid PhD ideas is quite beneficial to all of us.

[TomKat]

Being more specific; How did the timelines get changed? And if indeed that is what happened, what is the ultimate purpose?

According to the Jane Roberts' Seth books, we change timelines to have a more optimum future. He said we do this all the time. For instance, if the world is ending tomorrow on this timeline, you will likely switch to another before morning. Last June I provided an MP3 of a Coast radio caller who experienced the beginning of WW3 last June. Bill Ryan put in a thread on changing timelines.

[Patient]

I am familiar with the theory that the timeline was changed to avoid WW3. And it would give me a comforting feeling to think that an organization is doing this for our best interest.

However if that is the case, I have other questions :)

If they are intentionally changing the timeline due to future events, then we have to assume that they can see the future. Then are we also assuming that they can only see the future of the timeline that we are in? That makes sense, otherwise they could see the future of what switching to a new timeline would be - then I would expect that we would only need to have switched timelines once because why switch to a timeline that we would have to switch out of.

Ok, but then the future is always changing based in the actions of others that can not be controlled. But that would mean that looking into the future only showed a future that would be true for that minute only.

If we can change timelines by looking into the future, wouldn't it make sense then to choose a timeline where everything was awesome?

If intentionally jumping into a timeline is a gamble, then we could jump into one heck of a mess.

Better that we would choose to fix the problems we have than to take such a huge risk.

Adding all these variables together, this line of questioning and theorizing could continue for quite a while, so I will end it for now.

If we could control it, then we should be doing really well. Just my opinion of course. Perhaps the people who are responsinle for switching the timelines are indeed doing well for themselves.

And if that is the case, then I would like a turn at choosing the next timeline please. :)

[petra]

Whoa. Just googled some book covers and got smacked in the face with it.

I had a hard time spelling it in the first place, so I grained it into my mind. It's Berenstein dang it lol!!!

"Berenstain" looks so stupid....

[sunwings]

Just a few comments taken from the most famous Flip FLop.

Kinda creepy when I witnessed this flip to Houston we've had a prob ...back to Houston we have a prob. ..came back to see if it changed back again yet lol

THE MANDELA EFFECT SWITCHED BACK OMG

Kinda creepy when I witnessed this flip to Houston we've had a prob ...back to Houston we have a prob. ..came back to see if it changed back again yet lol

it changed back to the original . Mandela glitch

C3J1AO9z0tA

Also Hilary Clinton :bigsmile:

On election night (2016) people spotted her name suddenly had two L´s. It still does today. However lots of residual evidence shows her name with one L.

I have seen her name flip flop many times. Probably more than any other ME.

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[TomKat]

I am familiar with the theory that the timeline was changed to avoid WW3. And it would give me a comforting feeling to think that an organization is doing this for our best interest.


Organization? No, it's your higher self the decides.

[Bob]

I have never met my "higher self" - how would I know for sure?

I am seriously at a loss here, about being told that I need to trust my higher self, or at least listen - listen to what? I would like to be objective and work with occams's razor, not a new-age belief that is passed down from others, to just "trust". Some knowingness would be helpful.

ref: http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html


Occam's razor is a logical principle attributed to the mediaeval philosopher William of Occam (or Ockham). The principle states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. This principle is often called the principle of parsimony. It underlies all scientific modelling and theory building.

It admonishes us to choose from a set of otherwise equivalent models of a given phenomenon the simplest one. In any given model, Occam's razor helps us to "shave off" those concepts, variables or constructs that are not really needed to explain the phenomenon. By doing that, developing the model will become much easier, and there is less chance of introducing inconsistencies, ambiguities and redundancies.

Though the principle may seem rather trivial, it is essential for model building because of what is known as the "underdetermination of theories by data". For a given set of observations or data, there is always an infinite number of possible models explaining those same data.

This is because a model normally represents an infinite number of possible cases, of which the observed cases are only a finite subset. The non-observed cases are inferred by postulating general rules covering both actual and potential observations.

[gord]

I am familiar with the theory that the timeline was changed to avoid WW3. And it would give me a comforting feeling to think that an organization is doing this for our best interest.

However if that is the case, I have other questions :)

If they are intentionally changing the timeline due to future events, then we have to assume that they can see the future. Then are we also assuming that they can only see the future of the timeline that we are in? That makes sense, otherwise they could see the future of what switching to a new timeline would be - then I would expect that we would only need to have switched timelines once because why switch to a timeline that we would have to switch out of.

Ok, but then the future is always changing based in the actions of others that can not be controlled. But that would mean that looking into the future only showed a future that would be true for that minute only.

If we can change timelines by looking into the future, wouldn't it make sense then to choose a timeline where everything was awesome?

If intentionally jumping into a timeline is a gamble, then we could jump into one heck of a mess.

Better that we would choose to fix the problems we have than to take such a huge risk.

Adding all these variables together, this line of questioning and theorizing could continue for quite a while, so I will end it for now.

If we could control it, then we should be doing really well. Just my opinion of course. Perhaps the people who are responsinle for switching the timelines are indeed doing well for themselves.

And if that is the case, then I would like a turn at choosing the next timeline please. :)


Just speculation, but if something like all that is going on, perhaps there is also something of a timeline tug-of-war going on among two or more groups.

[TomKat]

I have never met my "higher self" - how would I know for sure?
I am seriously at a loss here, about being told that I need to trust my higher self, or at least listen - listen to what? I would like to be objective and work with occams's razor, not a new-age belief that is passed down from others, to just "trust". Some knowingness would be helpful.

Are you uncomfortable with the idea that there are depths of self that are unknown to you in a normal state of consciousness? Do you find it easier to believe that some external earthly organization is moving you to various timelines than to believe it's yourself doing it?

[Bob]

Absolutely @tomkat - i prefer science and objectivity to subjectivity. To me, believability gets one into issues about what does one trust, what one has been taught to believe, as opposed to what one has worked on oneself. Listening to "inner dialogue(s) or "think, think, think, the "voices" " in the head or observing one's actions, and doings. To me doings seem more real than voices..

[TomKat]

Absolutely @tomkat - i prefer science and objectivity to subjectivity. To me, believability gets one into issues about what does one trust, what one has been taught to believe, as opposed to what one has worked on oneself. Listening to "inner dialogue(s) or "think, think, think, the "voices" " in the head or observing one's actions, and doings. To me doings seem more real than voices..

So, as the subject, you are uninterested in subjectivity. Are only interested in the objective, outer world. Not the inner. Can't help you here.

[pluton]

Very interesting. I was in the supermarket (here in Ecuador) a couple of days ago, and noticed a packet of FROOT LOOPS. (As it should be! :) ) This had been one of the frequently reported Mandela Effect anomalies, with 'FRUIT LOOPS' being the 'replacement' version.

That's one of the tests the aliens performed on early humans, I mean transferring part of consciously processed data to the subconscious part of the human mind. I'm going to highlight in your mind a part of what you saw in that store.

FROOT LOOPS

Since oops is an interjection related to a mistake, your mind would automatically seek a correction, which was in your case based on homonymity. Hence FRUIT LOOPS.

There is a benefit from such a neuro-procedure - we know the result as scientific serendipity. That's when things had to be done, but there is not enough reason in the particular human mind to accomplish the task.

15 Life-Changing Inventions That Were Created By Mistake
(https://www.businessinsider.com/these-10-inventions-were-made-by-mistake-2010-11)
(That's strange, though: These kind of tests were administered like twenty thousand years ago... Hmm. Maybe you forgot to shave.)

[Keajran]

I mean, I was obsessed with this particular Mandela effect back in 2003, and again in 2016 and I know without a shadow of a doubt what I saw, what I read, what I was thinking both those times, so what now??

The reason why there exists the time difference 2003 - 2016 lies in the conceptual handling of the subject which affects memory. If you desire to name the phenomenon, you go "first thing first" and highlight the first letters of the word "memory" and use them as initials for the name of the phenomenon:

MEmory ---> M. E. ----> Mandela Effect.

After that, you use the initials M and E as the time shift in some significant cases. Since M=13 and E=5 (M is the 13th letter and E is the 5th letter of the alphabet), the time shift involves either 13 or 5 years, where the year is a time unit usually used. Since 2003+13=2016, the 13 years time difference was used in your case.

Of course, there was the option to use the 5-year difference, or 2003+5=2008, but the criterion of choice must be publicly available. So it was your nick that decided:

Kejaranhybrid = 13 (letters)

The 13 time units is generally preferred, because 13 has such a property that both digits can be accidently joined with the result being similar to letter B

1 & 3 ---> B,

where B is the initial of Bologna - a place of a significant manifestation of the Mandela Effect.

Note this seemingly nonsensical expression:

100 - August = 92

Actually those folks who are not capable of a simple conversion will regard the expression as insane. But if you set

August = 8 (th month of the year)

then 100-August=92 makes perfectly sense, as it must, because it was applied in the study of the Mandela Effect:

"A 2010 study examined people who were familiar with the clock at Bologna Centrale railway station, which had been damaged in the Bologna massacre bombing in August 1980. In the study, 92% falsely remembered that the clock had remained stopped since the bombing, when in fact, the clock was repaired shortly after the attack. Years later the clock was again stopped and was then set to the time of the bombing in observation and commemoration of the bombing."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Commonly_held_false_memories

The implication is quite unsettling: the human brain can be hacked by the means of super-advanced neuroscience. But in the case of scientific studies conducted by the human mind, the ability to override stupid PhD ideas is quite beneficial to all of us.

What are you smoking?

[pluton]

What are you smoking?

Unfortunately not that really good stuff you ride on... (https://www.seventeen.com/celebrity/news/a32934/the-berenstein-berenstain-bears-conspiracy-theory/)

:sad:

[Didgevillage]

I heard Barbara Marciniak channeling of Pleiadians where it was said that souls can choose to reincarnate into the past (instead of the future) to change the present state of affairs which are pretty bad in recent history as schemed by the anunnaki.

Verbatim: The past is ever unfolding. The past is constantly changing.

[Akasha]

I'm not sayin' nuffink:


dqmeDRUximI

[Patient]

I'm not sayin' nuffink:


dqmeDRUximI

Well, you are correct. Even if you are being sarcastic one way or the other.

I get frustrate with these threads because they end up with people just stating whether there was a change or not. I am guilty as well, and perhaps that supports the fact that there are definately some things that have definately changed due to the timeline change and other things that have changed due to marketing changes over the years and other things that are just mistaken due to faulty memories.

Eventually this will deteriorate into only a failed memory issue due to the fact that all of those people who lived through the time period itself will pass on. But that is of course if the changed timeline itself has finished changing and completely settles down.

I was going through some boxes yesterday and found an old collectable C-3PO figure and book set. What I found in the book really reflects the title of this thread. Although a couple pictures in the book clearly show C-3PO as being all gold, in some pics his left leg appears to be silver, however it could be an effect of the lighting in the shot. I did not find a single picture of him with a red leg. The figure itself comes with the left leg in pieces that you can attache to the body, but as it is still unopened it is difficult to see through the plastic to know if the pieces are gold or silver.

Could the photos in the book be due to the mandela effect partially reversing? How will we know unless we are able to determine without a doubt what is the root cause of the effect in the first place.

As we have people with different memories from the change, we will always be debating as we are from different pasts.

If you think the timeline has changed but are not sure, you need to find something solid as I did in finding my Berenstein Bear Book and not jsut depending on looking at stuff on the internet. (I will post pics of the C-3PO later tomorrow.)

[Akasha]

I'm not sayin' nuffink:


dqmeDRUximI

Well, you are correct. Even if you are being sarcastic one way or the other.

I get frustrate with these threads because they end up with people just stating whether there was a change or not. I am guilty as well, and perhaps that supports the fact that there are definately some things that have definately changed due to the timeline change and other things that have changed due to marketing changes over the years and other things that are just mistaken due to faulty memories.

Eventually this will deteriorate into only a failed memory issue due to the fact that all of those people who lived through the time period itself will pass on. But that is of course if the changed timeline itself has finished changing and completely settles down.

I was going through some boxes yesterday and found an old collectable C-3PO figure and book set. What I found in the book really reflects the title of this thread. Although a couple pictures in the book clearly show C-3PO as being all gold, in some pics his left leg appears to be silver, however it could be an effect of the lighting in the shot. I did not find a single picture of him with a red leg. The figure itself comes with the left leg in pieces that you can attache to the body, but as it is still unopened it is difficult to see through the plastic to know if the pieces are gold or silver.

Could the photos in the book be due to the mandela effect partially reversing? How will we know unless we are able to determine without a doubt what is the root cause of the effect in the first place.

As we have people with different memories from the change, we will always be debating as we are from different pasts.

If you think the timeline has changed but are not sure, you need to find something solid as I did in finding my Berenstein Bear Book and not jsut depending on looking at stuff on the internet. (I will post pics of the C-3PO later tomorrow.)

Hi Patient.

All I was saying was that that video highlighted that, potential CGI trickery aside, they had been called Froot Loops from the beginning.
Personally I subscribe to the mistaken memory theory whenever this phenomenon is raised. Our ability to remember is organic by nature, unlike that of an SSD. Memories are forced to the back of the mental cupboard and begin to gather dust as newer ones are implanted through our ongoing conscious experience through time and space.
Another aspect which keeps me from falling into this Mandela mindset is why is it that the only things affected are a line of breakfast cereal, a chldren's book and one element in a James Bond film? There may be others such as your C3PO example but hopefully you catch my drift.

ps: I don't work for Cern PR department, honest.

[Patient]

@ Akasha, that is why I said to find something that is not only on the internet. The childrens book was something that I personally owned for years, and it changed.
If your memories are intact then I suspect that the timeline did not change for you.

If you owned a book for almost 20 years and read it over and over through bringing up an entire family then you would know the content AND the name of the main characters.

[Akasha]

..... The childrens book was something that I personally owned for years, and it changed.....

I'm not going to dispute the fact that you believe "it changed". Once again, I refer back to the organic nature of human memory. No disrespect intended - I mean that. Now if you had two photos of the book in its alternate incarnations, that would be impressive, but in the meantime, if I have to choose between physical manipulation of reality and fading memories, I'm sure you can appreciate why I would plump for the latter.

[Patient]

..... The childrens book was something that I personally owned for years, and it changed.....

I'm not going to dispute the fact that you believe "it changed". Once again, I refer back to the organic nature of human memory. No disrespect intended - I mean that. Now if you had two photos of the book in its alternate incarnations, that would be impressive, but in the meantime, if I have to choose between physical manipulation of reality and fading memories, I'm sure you can appreciate why I would plump for the latter.

How would you explain the organic nature of memory to affect my entire family the same way?

...How could i have a photo from the other timeline?

It is not worth going back and forth with you - it did not change for you and that is why you can not bring it into your reality. The only way for you to beleive it would be for you to know and understand completely the cause of the change and all of the science and math involved.

Or, if your timeline was affected, and how do we know that that will not yet happen?

As for myself, I would have had a very hard time beleiving that there was a change if I did not have something physical such as the book in my belongings that changed.

[Akasha]

..... The childrens book was something that I personally owned for years, and it changed.....

I'm not going to dispute the fact that you believe "it changed". Once again, I refer back to the organic nature of human memory. No disrespect intended - I mean that. Now if you had two photos of the book in its alternate incarnations, that would be impressive, but in the meantime, if I have to choose between physical manipulation of reality and fading memories, I'm sure you can appreciate why I would plump for the latter.

How would you explain the organic nature of memory to affect my entire family the same way?

...How could i have a photo from the other timeline?

It is not worth going back and forth with you - it did not change for you and that is why you can not bring it into your reality. The only way for you to beleive it would be for you to know and understand completely the cause of the change and all of the science and math involved.

Or, if your timeline was affected, and how do we know that that will not yet happen?

As for myself, I would have had a very hard time beleiving that there was a change if I did not have something physical such as the book in my belongings that changed.

Once again, I would point to the malleable nature and potential fallability of human memory for all of your above points, either individually, within groups over the internet, or within a family unit. For example if you had been reading the Berenstain stories to your kids and pronouncing the name as such, they would obviously be conditioned to think that was the name of the family. Alternatively if you had been pronouncing the name in accordance with you perceiving it as Berenstein, they would be conditioned to think of it as that instead.

Could you elaborate on the science and math you mentioned?

Cheers.

edit: Can you possibly post a pic' of your BerenstEin Bear book? That would be very interesting.

[Patient]

For Akasha...Based upon my research into the Mandela effect, I was able to prove to myself that there indeed were changes that occured. Many of the changes listed on the internet could be mistaken memories or marketing changes that occured at different times without me noticing when those changes were made. At the time of discovering the Mandela effect I quickly realized that I needed to find something other than just info on the internet - when I found the Berestein book that was in our possession had changed to Berenstain I knew that it was a real change. A couple other things were also strong proofs for me. The Bond movie with the character Jaws - the final scene with he blond not having braces no longer makes sense. Plus a few others and if you read through the Mandela threads on Avalon you will find more about my experince.

Also, because I know that my past/present has been altered, it is a real thing that occured. As other people who recall the same things, I know I am not alone. One thing that you will find if you research it, the majority of people affected are seeing the same changes.

Something happened that affected our reality so there must be a reason as to how/why. If you read through the thread, Bob has a very strong explanation - although I do not understand all of the physics and math involved I do know enough that his explanation makes sense. However, I would not be surprised to find out that it was something that was done intentionally as an experiment.

Posting a pic of the Berenstain Bear book would not help you. Although this book was in our kids collection of books, it is now titled The Berenstain Bears ...it use to read The Berenstein Bears. I did not pronounce it wrong all those years.

As I said earlier, you can not grasp what I am saying and I beleive that is because nothing has changes for you. You were not affected by a timeline changing so you perceive me as just getting it wrong. That's ok. I suppose that means you are fine.

The difference is that it happened to me, and I needed to prove it to myself and I did. I am left with trying to understand the how and the why of it.

[Akasha]

.....Posting a pic of the Berenstain Bear book would not help you. Although this book was in our kids collection of books, it is now titled The Berenstain Bears ...it use to read The Berenstein Bears. I did not pronounce it wrong all those years.

As I said earlier, you can not grasp what I am saying and I beleive that is because nothing has changes for you. You were not affected by a timeline changing so you perceive me as just getting it wrong. That's ok. I suppose that means you are fine.

The difference is that it happened to me, and I needed to prove it to myself and I did. I am left with trying to understand the how and the why of it.....

I was affected by this "phenomenon" by way of the "Jaws's girlfriend" aspect. However, given the fact that I was eight years old when I watched the movie, my reasoning allows me to entertain the likelyhood of my memory being at fault rather than a physical modification of reality.

I would also ask you how long ago was it that you had read the Berenstain book before it being tied to the Mandela affect? five years? ten? twenty? thirty? more?

To be clear, your book now reads "Berenstain"? If so, regardless of your memories, I defer to all of my above points and I guess we'll leave it there.

[Patient]

Well Akasha, I suggest that you should have more confidence in your memories. The final scene in Moonraker makes much more sense in it's original state as Dolly opens her mouth in a smile and the character Jaws sees her braces and immediately falls in love with her.

In 2006 the actor Richard Kiel who appeared in the Moonraker movie as Jaws reprised the role in a 2006 VISA commercial in Finland where he comes upon a cashier in a store. Watch...

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I was familiar with the Berenstein Bears as a kid but did not care much for it. In the early '90s was the first time I read The Berenstein Bears books to my first child. In the early 2000s I had kids who watched the TV network Treehouse which played cartoons for young children. Everyday for years I would hear the theme song from the show "The Berenstein Bears". Lol! It was then that I began reading the book to them almost on a nightly basis for years. (I now have a large family.) Somewhere around 2014, I discovered the Mandela effect and searched out our collection of children's books and found that the book had physically changed to read "The Berenstain Bears".

[petra]

I remember the first time I experienced the Mandela effect, at the time had no idea what it was. I remember thinking "The past changed, WTF". I also remember thinking "No fair! Editing my memory while I am using it is cheating" (ha ha).

That was around the same time I started reading Tom Montalk's material, and something he said stood out. He said "you only remember the most recent revision", and all of a sudden, things started to make sense. My memory was being messed with, and I knew it...

Now I'm skeptical again. What's being messed with, exactly. Is it really our memory? We have to judge this for ourselves.

This case of Berenstein bears really stands out to me because other people see it too. I mean, holy crap. I remember learning how to spell the word, and although I was only little, the memory is vivid.

Some "crazy making" I've come across is when I remember people telling me things, I mention it to them, and they don't remember telling me. It makes me feel like I'm going nuts, and tends to annoy people too. I'm not saying everyone should remember every word that came out of their mouth either, it's just frustrating. I had better not be hallucinating.

The worst "crazy making" is when people remember me doing things that I don't remember doing. Especially if the thing isn't nice. I've apologized for quite a few things over the course of my life that I don't even remember doing.

[Akasha]

Well Akasha, I suggest that you should have more confidence in your memories. The final scene in Moonraker makes much more sense in it's original state as Dolly opens her mouth in a smile and the character Jaws sees her braces and immediately falls in love with her.

In 2006 the actor Richard Kiel who appeared in the Moonraker movie as Jaws reprised the role in a 2006 VISA commercial in Finland where he comes upon a cashier in a store. Watch...

2BhLAWP7jGA

I was familiar with the Berenstein Bears as a kid but did not care much for it. In the early '90s was the first time I read The Berenstein Bears books to my first child. In the early 2000s I had kids who watched the TV network Treehouse which played cartoons for young children. Everyday for years I would hear the theme song from the show "The Berenstein Bears". Lol! It was then that I began reading the book to them almost on a nightly basis for years. (I now have a large family.) Somewhere around 2014, I discovered the Mandela effect and searched out our collection of children's books and found that the book had physically changed to read "The Berenstain Bears".

I err on the side of caution with regard to my memories because I understand they are potentially subject to fallability usually in proportion to their age / lack of importance.

All the Finnish advert proves is that a girl with braces falls for a man who we the viewers historically associate with braces but who in this particular video is braces free.

[Bill Ryan]

Very interesting. I was in the supermarket (here in Ecuador) a couple of days ago, and noticed a packet of FROOT LOOPS. (As it should be! :) ) This had been one of the frequently reported Mandela Effect anomalies, with 'FRUIT LOOPS' being the 'replacement' version.

I'll take a photo next time I'm in town. (Unless it's changed again! :bigsmile: )Took a long time for me to remember to take my camera to the supermarket. :)

http://projectavalon.net/Froot_Loops.jpg

[rgray222]

20 Examples Of The Mandela Effect That’ll Make You Believe You’re In A Parallel Universe

This article was written in 2016, link below.

Maybe it’s parallel universes or time travel, maybe it’s just bad memory — either way, it’s fascinating.

There’s an unexplained phenomenon that you’ve probably experienced without knowing what it’s called, and it’s garnering more and more attention lately. "The Mandela effect" is what the internet is calling those curious instances in which many of us are certain we remember something a particular way, but it turns out we’re incorrect.

The name of the theory comes from many people feeling certain they could remember Nelson Mandela dying while he was still in prison back in the ’80s. Contrary to what many thought, Mandela’s actual death was on Dec. 5, 2013, despite some people claiming to remember seeing clips of his funeral on TV.

These false memories have some people thinking their memory sucks, but some wonder if they’ve gone to a parallel universe, or if time travelers have gone to the past and slightly affected our present, or if they’re simply losing their freakin’ minds. Whichever it is, what’s most interesting about the Mandela effect is that so many individuals share the same false memories.

https://spherebeingalliance.com/media/img/800x0/2017-08/1_Oscar_Meyer_vs_Oscar_Mayer.png

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/vmj0fbduz6ckad3m80u5.png

For the other 18 follow this link: https://www.buzzfeed.com/christopherhudspeth/crazy-examples-of-the-mandela-effect-that-will-make-you-ques