WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[sandy]

Hi Wade,

Just wanted to say that I have read much of your info here and on your site and find the way you write quite easy to comprehend. That is important for me as intellectual jargon just goes over my head and I loose interest. With that said, I find your life and work absolutely fascinating and intriguing to say the least. I have been trying to figure out exactly what is FE and have investigated many scientific sites, etc. trying to get some greater understanding of how one taps into it, and the mystery all around it.

I truly believe in the reality of what it can do for our beautiful planet and civilization and my heart aches at not knowing how to help or promote the work of people such as yourself. With your need to share there must be someway to wake up the masses to this information. How do we get out of this problem to find the solution?? You have so much to give and share as your writings and life experience so abundantly show and I pray that what you are attempting with this new direction will be the catalyst to get this awesome ball out of the closet and rolling.

I only wish that I had the smarts to be of some help but alas I think my journey here is for compassion. Thank you for all you are doing and being as your knowledge, courage and love are truly valued by me. Keep on trucking and I will keep on rooting for you. If there is a way I can be of support other than an observer, please let me know. Otherwise, I am happy to follow along,and learn from all you so freely share. Your spirit energy shines through and resonates throughout your correspondence :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Thanks for the kind words. Just lending your awareness to this is plenty, and is step one of what I am planning to do. It is probably going to be in step one for a while, unless some dam breaks and we get some goodies from the black science world, or they somehow allow somebody to bring it forward. Today, there are simply not enough aware people on these subjects, especially aware people with their hearts in the right place.

Again, the vast majority of the population is in levels 0 to 3:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

If people get past Level 3, they usually end up trying out the other layers. Very few ever get to Level 12, mainly because their hearts are not in the right place. Some think they can go straight to Level 19. I have seen that one happen with FE newbies pretty regularly. The Level 0 to 3 people, which comprise more than 99% of humanity at this time, are only going to wake up to FE when somebody delivers FE devices to their homes, as Machiavelli noted long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

I have patience issues:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#reading

so I have some perspective on the issue, and those who want to stay in Level 1 to 3, or try the other layers below Level 12, or want to leap to Level 19, have patience issues, too, at the minimum. There are no easy answers to the FE conundrum. If enough people woke up, it would be easy, but waking up is the hard part. Prime Time is not ready for my message.

So, I am not looking for heroes, but just people who want to become aware. There is nothing to rush out and do in this field. There are enough heroes risking their lives that could use some help (Dennis, Greer, Brian O), that if people just have to go do something, there are worthy efforts to join, but be prepared for harsh learning experiences. If you begin playing at any kind of active level, you will be risking your life, in many ways. I do not encourage anybody to do that.

My upcoming essay is aimed at people like you, without scientific backgrounds but who are at least curious about how the world works. Energy runs the show on Earth and always has. The physics of FE, in its rudiments, is not too difficult to understand. The energy field that powers atoms even at absolute zero is the zero point field, and it spins, but it goes in all directions. Bearden calls it the “seething” vacuum, and that is an apt description. Think of it like a wind. FE devices that tap the ZPF are like windmills, able to farm some of the energy as it passes by. The ZPF is everywhere. For what I am trying to teach, people really do not need to know much more than that. Farming the ZPF is a lot harder than it looks, and I would not suggest that anybody try to do it in their garage. If they somehow tap it, they will come onto the radar:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#traveler

You can’t sneak past them, and it is futile and dangerous to even try. That is one of the many pitfalls that await the FE newbies, and some 99% will get swallowed up by one or more of them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

Just getting to Level 12 is like walking the razor’s edge. There has never been a sizable group at that level. That is what I am trying to do, but if you followed this thread, you will see many questions about if this FE inventor or that FE inventor has the goods or not, or how we can scale the ramparts. The likely answer is that none of the visible FE players today have it. If they had, they would have been taken out somehow. Picking them off one at a time is easy for the Global Controllers to do.

Again, few of us in the field (and I do not really consider myself in the field anymore – I am trying to find people like you who can just become aware; I am not asking anybody to go tinker in their garages, scale the ramparts, etc.) began our journeys pursuing FE. We usually kind of stumbled into it eventually. The goodies are very real:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

but you and I will not get that show.

My initial approach was technological:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

then business-oriented:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

I eventually came to realize that the problems are not really technological, paradoxically. The primary problem is personal integrity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

Nobody wants to hear it, however, which is actually a key part of the problem that also resides in the integrity issue: few people want to face the truth, but prefer comforting fictions. The system actively abets the situation, by covering up the truth and providing those comforting fictions:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

I encounter denial more than any other reaction when relating my life’s experiences:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/happened.htm

so I stay pretty quiet in my daily life.

My upcoming essay is intended to help non-scientists understand the energy issue and the human journey. Nothing in it will really be about FE. Almost nobody understands how “normal” energy makes their world work and shapes their existences. We have to gain that understanding before we can really be very productive playing the FE game. That is part of the conundrum, too.

Since what I am attempting has never been done before, I am far from sure how it will go and am guessing here, but I think that at least a thousand people will need to bring a high-level awareness to the issue, and be able to sing the FE and abundance song in chorus, before we can even think about taking any further steps. At Avalon, the people who have been singing on this thread probably amount to less than ten people. It is not much, but it is a start. I have some other pals who get it, but only a handful really understand.

We will see how it goes.

Thanks for being out there,

Wade

[Butangeld]

Wade
I am so very pleased to have found you and have been reading your site with the same great excitement and pangs of anger as I had when I read books such as Politics in Healing (by Dan Haley) or treatment meted out to Sir William Crookes one of the greatest scientists and a man whose integrity remained unshakable throughout. I listened to your audio interview with Bill and, as is usually the case in my life, found myself wondering after all the many months I had spent wading through the Camelot and then Avalon material I had somehow missed you! I felt the hairs stand up on the back of my head when hearing you, (i think it was you) in the interview refer to one of Brian O's friends as being Jon Rappoport. I have learned so much from Rappoport, first finding him during the 911 attacks when all other internet sites I tried to visit to get an update where breaking under the load, there was Jon's nomorefakenews.com. He was all I read for about a year.

There are so many parallels to what has occurred over and over in the medical arena - suppression. And fake diseases. Jon's exhaustive investigation of AIDs supplied the strongest method by which we enslave ourselves, our own inaction regarding being vigilant. I applaud his current efforts teaching people logic and about how to realise the magical power locked inside each of our imaginations.

The path you describe to change the situation of FE is I think the right one. To Jon the most dangerous weapon we have is our imagination, and the controllers know it. There is no tradition of imagination in our schools, no classes designed to engage the most striking difference between us and the rest of life here on the planet.

I am disappointed by the apparent response you got from that Open Source pioneer, but not surprised. He is still on my short-list of potential heroes simply for what he has achieved. Without him the internet would have been a corporate mess well before 2000, but he certainly does suffer from enlightenment, he just wanted to outsmart the creeps that claimed they owned his code, because they paid him. I still believe though that a good Open Source effort could produce results, if only in people's outlook on the FE possibilities. I think that Marco Rodin's coil, if placed inside of a 4-way power adapter, would be a goer. It's not generating energy but it would save a whole heap of energy.

I once spent about a year writing what I hoped would be a great novel, call the Primary Divide. The divide was what kept us in our wretched state and was essentially a belief in death, which is itself a belief in scarcity. This was a response to my reading of Ron Pearson, an engineer with a solution to universal theory. The authorities hate him and here in the UK he is prevented from TV and radio by means of the blasphemy law. You couldn't make it up!

These days I am one of 3 directors of a grass-roots organisation (and I don't mean astroturf) that has implemented an Open Source philosophy to the SME business market. We are the only organisation in our market that is actually growing. We have over 400 members now and have not taken investment from anywhere. I have been on the breadline for a number of years, but I strongly believe in what we are doing. I won't name our site here, though I would dearly love to since we of course want more members. We are a not-for-profit and the org is really run by the members. One by one they get it. I am not trying to be secret, only cautious, and if you or anyone wants to know who I'm talking about then PM me and I'll gladly tell you. The stuff you talk about is serious and I am wary of making association from here to there.

I am going to go back to reading your site now.
My love to you all. :D

[Eric]

Wade hi

What do you make of this;

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19494-Inventor-Survives-10-Murder-Attempts-to-Release-World-Changing-Technology-NOW!

cheers

eric

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Eric:

As one poster said, he certainly is not “Mr. X” to the Big Boys. When I see all the secrecy and anonymity games, the red flags go up. There is a spectrum of would-be contenders, from pretenders on one end, to people who keep trying to pour the new wine into the old skins on the other, and when they play the “secret sauce” games with their “proprietary” technology, claim to have many copies hidden around the world, and so on, I pretty much yawn. Who the heck do they think they are hiding from? If they have a clue, they are hiding from the general public and nobody else, and then they have to ask themselves why they are doing it. Anybody with the goodies, especially in the USA, has either had the federal government seize it with “national security” laws, had it stolen through extra-legal means, and so on. From what I have seen, the responses fall pretty much along these lines:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#graphic

I am really not very interested in the inventor/capitalist/scale-the-ramparts routes to FE. Not interested in the secrecy game, the inventor’s rights game, the underground FE network game, and so on. If anybody is ever successful in any of those avenues, it will not be because of their unique virtue, but because they were allowed to. I’ll take The Muppet Movie ending any day,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pvAKPM3gCs&feature=related

but I highly doubt that it will be through the heroism of Mr. X-style aspirants.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

My upcoming essay is intended to help non-scientists understand the energy issue and the human journey. Nothing in it will really be about FE. Almost nobody understands how “normal” energy makes their world work and shapes their existences. We have to gain that understanding before we can really be very productive playing the FE game. That is part of the conundrum, too.

Since what I am attempting has never been done before, I am far from sure how it will go and am guessing here, but I think that at least a thousand people will need to bring a high-level awareness to the issue, and be able to sing the FE and abundance song in chorus, before we can even think about taking any further steps. At Avalon, the people who have been singing on this thread probably amount to less than ten people. It is not much, but it is a start. I have some other pals who get it, but only a handful really understand.

We will see how it goes.

Thanks for being out there,

Wade

Thanks Wade,

I definitely will continue to be apart of this new awareness expansion regarding FE plan and what you believe we need to bring this into a reality here on our Beautiful Mother Earth. I do spend a lot of alone time too as thus far I am on this sojourn virtually on my own except for forums like Avalon, Camelot and Nexus. Well you know the story of denial and that is where all my family and friends are basically. I retired early and after almost 2 years of not being able or wanting to live up to others expectations of what I should be doing or who I should be....blah,blah blah, I packed up lock stock and barrel and followed my heart or should I say soul. It has been tough to say the least, no identity (yikes), no support, no external love (all still ostracizing me) both parents passed in this time, and single trying to learn to live on way less amenities than I could imagine coming from being a big city for the previous 40 years. I think I am just now truly coming out the other end and for the first time in my life loving me for who "I am" . I too sobered up many years ago and thank God as the principles I learned from the 12 step program have seen me through many tough times including this one...............believing in a power greater than myself so to speak was my beginning.

I moved to a very rural small town in NE Sask, Canada almost 2 years ago and have yet to meet anyone in this area who is not basically in survival mode thus not much thought for spiritual evolution other than what seems to be church dogma. Thankful for the internet or maybe I would have to truly wear the label" NUTS "that others have verbally given me at times :)

Anyway happy to be on the band wagon and will continue to check in and be of service to your worthy cause. I look forward to your new essay. Do you have any idea of the timeline yet as to when you will present it? I was also wondering if you think we are on our third attempt as a civilization, because if so we really need to make this work!

I look forward to gaining more understanding and enlightenment.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Your is a familiar path, and it seems like you have been doing the work, and yes, you are going to be quite an odd bird where you live, and your family cannot begin to understand why you have left the safety of the herd, and so on. Well met.

On my essay, I think I wrote something not long ago on my essay plans. Too many posts to sift through, even for the author. I was dealt two situations in March, and either one would wreck my year, free-time-wise, and I got both in about the same week. The subject matter is daunting enough for me to tackle, but I am overcoming hurdles almost constantly, with all manner of people vying for my time, usually just to distract me with their agenda. So, I am shooting for getting it done ASAP, but it is looking like it will not be until next year, I am sorry to say. But I am not going to throw out something half-formed to be expedient. I am aiming very high. Most likely, very few people are going to be able to go there with me, but for those who can, I think it will be a rewarding journey, but we will see. It could end up being a miserable failure, and I have plenty of people gunning for me as it is. I am shooting for my best effort, and it is going to take some time to produce it.

Best,

Wade

P.S. On former civilizations, I wrote this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=193963&viewfull=1#post193963

I probably do not have much more to add than that.

[Phoenix]

Hi Wade,

Thank you for your incredible breadth of insight. In my understanding, at this point in your journey you wish to try and aid in the answer to the question, "how do I awaken my fellow human?" I seek this answer as well.

I am trying to understand what would happen if we were to succeed, and if it's even worth it. If you have the time, please read my post here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19519-Can-the-human-species-win

A million thanks,

-Phoenix

[sandy]

Hi Wade and friends,
Wade, you said above that awakening on this planet can be pretty brutal and I wish to comment on that. This is the central topic of interest, isn't it?

When I read that statement I realized something about myself. I am awakened. And it is brutal. The brutality of awakening is almost unbearable to me. I fervently wish I had never done so. I might still be relatively happy being alive if I weren't. The sad fact is that I do not want to help this society in any way any more because of it. Individuals yes, but not this society. I wait with bated breath either the time to act or the time to die. Although either would be welcome, I wish it was time to act. I have been waiting many years now, as patiently as I can. I have those I love that keep me here because I realize they need me. Otherwise, I would have given up years ago.

I have written many books on this subject but will never publish because I know it will make no difference. It will make no difference because most people at least in the modern world believe, for example, that yoga is the devil's creation. For that matter, most any esoteric or poorly understood body of knowledge, except for what science has condoned, is considered the devil's work. That attitude is unacceptable to me. And so I lay low, say little, and wait. I make sure I contribute as little as possible to society, for they do not deserve it. Make what you will of that last statement, I won't go into details.

Since I cannot forgive the world for its ignorance, nor for the pain and misery they have caused, I cannot lift my spirit out of the trenches. I cannot attain enlightenment because of it. And so I live my life on the sidelines, straddling two worlds but not part of either...


Dear Ernie,

I hurt to read your post and where you say you stand and after saying out loud Ohhhhh......Ernie ;(>>>>>>>>>I had this flash thought and decided to share it. IMhumbleO, I don't believe you for a minute as if that is the case, what the heck are doing checking out and posting on this thread?;) I'm learning from you and enjoy your energy, so thank you for being here.

[Tahi]

Thank you Wade (& Steven Greer), I just watched the 2001 National Press Club Event

http://www.youtube.com/user/csetiweb#p/a/u/5/lkswXVmG4xM

This is the most honest (and public ) account ever from people on the ground, I have seen in regards to ET encounters.

Solid confirmation, thank you.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Phoenix:

Big subject, obviously. :)

Being awake or awakening, on a planet where most are asleep, can be interesting. I often find it agonizing, and I also had to eventually realize that most of the asleep like their state very much, thank you, and want to remain asleep. I am not sure that it should be anybody’s job to awaken people who want to stay asleep. I leave them to their slumbers. If somebody delivered something as epochal as free energy to their door, they might begin to wake up, but maybe not.

As far as the Global Controllers go, their power is directly derived from the slumbering masses. They are filling a vacuum created by abdicated sentience and refusal of responsibility. I think that that is part of the game being played here, that the asleep are being screwed by the very people whom they gave their power away to, because they chose to be asleep. Also, anybody who draws breath on this planet is in some way responsible for the state of affairs. That is not to make anybody feel “guilty,” but to help realize that only the responsible can do something to change it. Nobody can solve somebody else’s problems. If we don’t own it, we cannot change it. The Global Controllers and the sleeping masse are us. We are all a reflection of each other, as painful as that can be to admit it to ourselves.

If enough of us woke up, the Global Controllers would probably slink away. Not because they would say to themselves, “Mission accomplished,” (although their souls might say that, as might God), but because their games would no longer work. I am not saying they do not make life for people like me difficult at times, but if enough people really woke up (and only love can do that, really, because waking up has everything to do with an awakened heart), they would not be able to maintain control, which relies on secrecy, deception, and some impressive technological advantages.

I have stated it before: for the size of the herd, the shepherd’s task is surprisingly easy. There really aren’t that many Global Controllers, but very few people stray from the herd in a way that poses problems for the global agenda.

A lot more to say, but I have to go to bed. (Whoops!, I see that I did not post this before I went to bed.)

Thanks for the question.

Hi Sandy:

That seemed to be a very honest and deep post from Ernie, on an immensely important subject. Despair is a very normal state these days. These are hard times to be a human. Heck, it is probably always hard times being a human, but we are in transition times, and fear reigns on many levels, and people are digging in. On one hand, the almost universal denials of solutions like free energy is mind-boggling, but when you live in fear of everything, you cannot tell the darkness from the light – anything different looks like a threat. Many light bearers have been casualties of these times.

Thanks Tahi:

As Greer has stated, 9/11 kind of took the wind out of the sails of that effort; again the fear angle. I think that some have stated that 9/11 was a reaction to that event, as a manufactured fear event was needed to stampede the herd, and fast, away from awakening. While I doubt it was in reaction to that event, 9/11 may very well have been a manufactured event, to keep the American masses dazed, confused, fearful and easily manipulated:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#sept11

Maybe ten years later, some progress can be made on that front. We will see.

Best,

Wade

[161803398]

Its important to tell children the truth, then they will be ahead of the game and not get caught up with the BS. In my family we all started learning the truth from birth or so soon thereafter as we could walk and talk because of my parents. I think my mother knew more than my dad; but my dad was receptive and had experience with politics in Ireland. All children in the family learn gradually but starting from when they can talk. Its easy to teach children because they can see truth much more easily at a young age. The information is simple and, of course, they don't need to know all the details. It important to tell children because society and the school system will confuse them and then they will have issues as adults. Children naturally gravitate toward truth.

[Ilie Pandia]

Nobody can solve somebody else’s problems. If we don’t own it, we cannot change it. The Global Controllers and the sleeping masse are us. We are all a reflection of each other, as painful as that can be to admit it to ourselves.

If enough of us woke up, the Global Controllers would probably slink away. Not because they would say to themselves, “Mission accomplished,” (although their souls might say that, as might God), but because their games would no longer work.

Hello Wade,

This was probably one of the most important and toughest ideas that I got from your website. It's so easy to slip away in the victim mentality, and to accept that the CG are doing something to us, and there is nothing we can do about it.

It is now clear to me that "they are filling a vacuum created by abdicated sentience and refusal of responsibility". It's hard to hear this, yes! But it puts the power back where it belongs once you understand it.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks Sandy,

But this is not about me. I was illustrating how we are manipulated by circumstances that seem random when taken into account individually but is in fact a method employed by the establishment to divide and conquer. When we see our efforts as futile we cocoon, hopefully to recharge and regroup. Often, however, we retreat into our little worlds and focus on our mundane concerns. The opposite extreme of this would be the covert operations to shush up various forays into FE research. It is a concerted effort, a highly organized plan, a tried and true centuries old method of perpetuating the power of the elite.

On an aside, I saw the movie Knight and Day, with Tom Cruise, last night. It is about this inventor and a keychain flashlight he devised that could power, "a small city .. or a large submarine." There were all sorts of people after either the device or the inventor. It was interesting to watch from a more informed position, thanks in part to the info on this thread. Has anyone else seen the movie?

[sandy]

Thanks Sandy,

But this is not about me. I was illustrating how we are manipulated by circumstances that seem random when taken into account individually but is in fact a method employed by the establishment to divide and conquer. When we see our efforts as futile we cocoon, hopefully to recharge and regroup. Often, however, we retreat into our little worlds and focus on our mundane concerns. The opposite extreme of this would be the covert operations to shush up various forays into FE research. It is a concerted effort, a highly organized plan, a tried and true centuries old method of perpetuating the power of the elite.

On an aside, I saw the movie Knight and Day, with Tom Cruise, last night. It is about this inventor and a keychain flashlight he devised that could power, "a small city .. or a large submarine." There were all sorts of people after either the device or the inventor. It was interesting to watch from a more informed position, thanks in part to the info on this thread. Has anyone else seen the movie?

Dear Ernie,

Thank you for your response and I do agree with all you say. I am presently cocooning myself as I really have just gotten over the rude awakening of it all, struck out totally on my own, (ostracized by children and family) and now don't know what to do or how to affect change other than in my own little world.

I did not mean to come across harsh and I am sorry if I offended you in anyway. To be more clear, I was attempting to say that I think you still care and are loving or you wouldn't be visible here for me to interact with and share. I know that is my need, so maybe I am projecting. I still do care to the core of my tender heart for my family and those still sleeping however at the same time I have had to learn to care for me too and that is what I'm in the process of doing>>>>>>as lonely and as hard as it is I "know" somewhere we will all come together, and hopefully in this timeline.

I have not seen the movie you mentioned but will certainly look into it as it does sound interesting. Thank you for the info.

[sandy]

Hi Wade,

Thank you for your feedback and I agree. I call it burnout of which I experienced from a career in the helping field and do understand what you were saying.

My brain has been running around a concept of what you were saying about building a community of 1,000 or so individuals at level 12, and how they might work together with FE. I'm probably way off the mark but here was what I was imagining:

If these individuals could all focus at the same time, tapping into FE together as one, with heart intention to affect change, would a vortex or frequency wave be created that would be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient? Would TPTB be able to discern if this tapping of FE was a machine or sentient beings?

Could not stop thinking about it so thought I would just put it out there.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

A busy week at the office is coming up, but I have a little time before it begins.

Hi 161803398:

Bucky Fuller said that children are natural geniuses, but we “de-genius” them.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

The malign influences of our societies beat it out of them. The truth is pretty simple, and children can see much of it fairly easily, when adults seem to have lost the ability to. I write about how we “forget” the important things that we are taught when young, as we “grow up.”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#forgetting

But the societal controllers have to mess up the heads of the young, and quickly, so the indoctrination (built on lies) almost begins in their cradles:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#paradigms

If you can steer a child away from that (public school, TV, mass media, vaccinations, fluoridation, junk food, etc.), and feed them some truth, then you are doing well….

Hi Ilie:

Thanks, yes, it is hard to hear it, because our collective ego does not want to. It is related to the text above, where adults not only lose the ability to sense the truth, they really do not even want to, and the truth actually becomes the enemy. If I had not seen it with my own eyes countless times, I would not have believed it.

The victim game may well be the oldest one on Earth, so it is a deeply ingrained habit. Anybody who breaks out of that self-defeating pattern must be vigilant, and it all begins in the heart. The GCs are really not all that powerful, not compared to the rest of us, and wanting to defeat them in “battle,” or sneak past them, etc., is the same old song.

For those who feel endangered by even using their real names on the Internet, I have always used my real name, and am pretty out there, but other than some Internet stalkers, nobody is messing with me these days. I can play the canary in the coal mine for the timid. If I am still making noise, then would-be participants in this conversation are very safe from the GCs. The GCs pay some attention to me, but they just watch. I doubt that I am getting some kind of special protection (although this forum is quite an oasis), but I could be wrong.

The victim mentality is fear-based, and the creator mentality is love-based. Love is the energy of creation, and FE and the fear/love or scarcity/abundance duality are joined at the hip in very real ways:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

A loving approach is not just some idealist fantasy, but may be the only approach that will work. Again, there is not a tougher nut to crack on the planet today that I know of, which will be cracked by coming from the heart, and aligning the head with it.

OK Ernie, your post was not about you. :)

Long story on Hollywood movies. In my upcoming interview with Scott:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/upcoming-shows.html

I mentioned that Chain Reaction was based on Yull Brown’s discoveries with Brown’s Gas. I did not mention it in the interview, but I do on my site:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#yull

that it was not exactly a noble thing that those Hollywood types did when they made that movie. I worked in Los Angeles for five years, and half of my friends were in the entertainment business, used to be in it, or were trying to break into it. My pals included movie and TV producers and directors, actors, musicians, writers, music producers, set designers, production assistants, porn flick producers (those types usually tried to make it in “normal” TVs and movies, but turning to porn was a way to make money while waiting for their break, but I would not advise that path), and so on. Hollywood is pretty slimy, and there are very few good ideas in play, which is why they make sequels ad infinitum anymore. I think that about every TV show from my youth has been turned into a Hollywood movie in recent years.

Those guys who made Chain Reaction gulled Brown into giving them a couple of days of his time, and then made some formula Hollywood movie based on some of the Brown’s Gas properties. It was pure exploitation. I doubt that there has ever been a Hollywood movie that accurately depicted any situation. If Hollywood presents a cop’s life, or a soldier’s, or a psychologist’s, or anybody’s professional existence, they always do it in Hollywood style by cutting corners, making things up, and so on, to make it “entertaining.” That is the Hollywood MO, and while I have not seen Knight and Day, there have been many, many movies based on some new, powerful energy source, with the battle to control it, monopolize it, etc. That goes way back. Even tales such as The Lord of the Rings are about some powerful talisman and the battle over it. I’ll take The Lord of the Rings, as far as an FE allegory, over any Hollywood movie. Boromir is the typical Young Warrior:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

Saruman is another seduced by the promise of power. The wise ones like Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond are way too few in today’s world. I call my path to FE the lamb’s path, but it could also be called the Hobbit’s.

Just like how real cops or real MDs or real soldiers will look at Hollywood movies that supposedly portray their professional lives and shake their heads at all of the Hollywoodisms and “artistic license” that is taken, often for no good reason other than they can, I have never seen any Hollywood movie that comes close to accurately portraying the FE journey. It might get some of the themes partly right, but most of it stretches the truth to tell the story, waters down the story to appeal to the lowest-common-denominator, fabricates entire aspects of it from whole cloth, and so on.

With all the lies that the media has always told about Dennis, I almost cringe when I think of Hollywood eventually making a movie of his life, even if they were going to portray him as a hero. The straight truth about his life blows away any Hollywood movie that I have ever seen, but if Hollywood ever got ahold of his story, what would emerge from the other end of that “creative process” would bear a faint resemblance to the man and his story. It would become a kind of caricature.

In this part of my first interview with Scott, I related what it is like to read media accounts of our efforts:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/4/ZI39RzWxCOQ

As Scott said, if people have never experienced it, they have yet to understand.

In summary, that is what Hollywood does, in that most powerful medium of movies. I may watch Knight and Day, but maybe not. I usually get pretty angry when watching Hollywood versions of the field that I played on. Instead of educating, they “entertain,” and almost always in ways that have people walking away knowing less about the situation than before they watched it.

Hi Sandy:

You are suggesting a Level 19 event, and I am looking for Level 12s. I am just trying to find enough people who want to understand how energy runs their world and shapes their Earthly existences, and can dare to imagine what FE could do.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

When a mass Level 19 event happens, the GCs will no longer be running the show, so what they may “detect” about it will not mean much. Wondering about what they can detect is close to a “can we run below the radar?” question. A mass Level 19 event will surely not be secret, nor should it be.

We have to crawl before we can walk, and walk before we can run. On the FE front, humanity is not even to the crawling stage yet, and I have never heard or seen of a group that was at the walking stage, and even crawling is probably a stretch. Level 19 is probably at the flying stage. There is a long way to go before a successful implementation of FE happens from publicly-mounted efforts. If one succeeds anytime soon, it will not be because of the effort’s unique virtue, but because something happened at the GC level that allowed it to happen. If you could ever find the hundred heroes of FE, or if there were even 10,000 of the awake and loving who could pool their awareness, then the GCs probably could not do a whole lot about it, but those numbers have never been seen on Earth, yet.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

I am shooting for a thousand of the awake and awakening. That alone seems an almost impossible task, but I am going to try, in my “spare” time. If we ever get there, then maybe step two will be feasible, but that will still be a ways from making FE happen.

Way, way too many people think that making FE happen is like bringing out the next super toaster or other consumer appliance. The appearance of FE will be an epochal event that humanity has never come close to experiencing. The world as we have known it will end. Not only would there never be hunger or want again, but sailing the stars becomes feasible (anti-gravity and other mind-blowing technologies are sequestered like FE is: http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground , and if one comes out, the others will not be far behind). This is certainly not a problem that will be solved on somebody’s lunch hour or by a few people getting together and wishing for it. Journeys like Dennis’s may have moved the ball another inch down the field, but maybe not. My midlife crisis was centered on the absolute futility of trying to get enough people to wake up and keep their eye on the ball long enough to make a difference:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#journey

Many pitfalls await the newcomers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

and very few have proven themselves able to navigate even the easy, first hurdles. Again, nobody really wants to hear that, but it is the truth. Those issues are all rooted in personal integrity, or the lack of it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

Can it change? Yes it can, but it won’t be changed by people with their eyes closed to the reality of the world we live in. First, we have to acknowledge the reality that we live in. Once we accept it and own it, maybe we can go about changing it for the better. I am still figuring it out, but those are the directions that I am attempting to try out, and we will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Dear Wade,

I'm not sure how to respond to what you say other than I agree with you on most things said. However, after acceptance of the "ugly reality we live in" I believe one has to identify some kind of rational or hope for their own perceived reasons for being in this 3D space. Your thread and posts of trying to find the way to FE understanding and find others who too, believe in FE potentials is hopeful to me. Thus I dare to dream even if they are far away from today's reality. Oh Yah, and far away personally for me, from Level 12 never mind level 19 :)

I'm a pretty simple person with not too many ways to say things using a lot of intellectual jargon thus KISS is what works for me albeit I recognize that we need all learning modalities to reach as many in the audience as possible when that is the target (numbers).

Have a great week!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Sandy, I am not offended at all. I am touched. My post was evidence of my new beliefs, and my resolve to know the truth about myself and the world. These secret thoughts we hold and share with no one can fester and infect beliefs even on unrelated topics. I was trying to illustrate that by using a personal example.

When I post on this thread I always try to keep the central issue in mind. Like you said, Wade, the goal is to awake and awaken myself and others to the FE concept. That makes it both a personal and collaborative effort. The personal side is just as pertinent - and is more accessible to most than the scientific aspects and repurcusions of zero-point energy. Scarcity based thinking is normal in our society and can be easily over-looked. Besides that, a little drama evokes right-brain responses as opposed to the left-brain, analytical, currently accepted as normal, side.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

No need to respond unless you want to. The part of acknowledging the world we live in is only partly the "ugly" part. In fact, my point is not how ugly the world is, but how we call the darkness the light:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#bitter

I think that the wonderful part of our world and humanity is where the greatest denial is, by far. Free energy exists and is here on the planet, cures for virtually all the diseases that plague the West are here; the means to make it a heaven on earth are here! The truly incredible part is how quickly people avert their eyes from those solutions. For me and my fellow travelers, that was the mind-boggling part that took us many years to understand. Again, that 99+% of humanity that is trapped in layers 0 to 3 are in denial of how immensely good it can be.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

I have yet to find even one sizable mainstream group on the planet that even acknowledges the possibility of FE. My crazy journey, Brian O's crazy journey, Dennis's insane journey, Greer's preposterous journey - the most amazing upshot was how impervious the public was, how impervious the "white" scientific establishment was, how impervious environmentalists are, how impervious the academics are, even free software icons, and so on. People might think the FE activists would have ready allies in the Zeitgeists, environmentalists, and so on, but they would be wrong. We are often seen as the enemy, as hard as that may be to believe. After seeing the same reactions countless times, I began seeing it as an addiction to scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm

It is also when I began using the term semi-sentient, after watching people play at higher levels than I did and hearing them wondering aloud if humanity is a sentient species. It can be an incredibly dismaying experience. So, hope? There is plenty of it, if enough people woke up only a little. A big part of why I do what I do is to offer an alternative to all of the gloom promoted by people like Heinberg:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#austerity

but he has a large audience for his neo-Malthusian drumbeat, while the people with the real solutions are hounded, bought out, etc.

On the ugliness, that is not hard to find. Just today, in many places across the USA, people were in delirious joy over the alleged murder of Osama bin Laden, for another dismaying day to be an American.

Yes, Ernie, the personal side is key. With the general public, it is playing with dynamite to promote FE ideas. I am somebody who lived through one of the biggest runs yet made at FE, but I can discuss it with almost nobody amongst my friends and family. Almost nobody wants to hear about it (even worse are those who try to lecture me on how we should have gone about it, as they fired shots from their easy chairs), so I stay quiet.

Best,

Wade

[Phoenix]

Hi Wade and friends,

I want to bounce an idea off all of you. Are you familiar with Ralph Nader? I am very naive (please forgive that), but I saw him speak about his book Only the super-rich can save us! and the overall theme was basically to persuade the old fading billionaires who have nothing to spend their money on into supporting a system of people (awake people) that went out and educated the public for the greater good.

I am young and naive, as I said... but, the way I see it, there isn't much use in an awakened individual spending his/her precious time researching more facts or ‘digging the rabbit hole’ any deeper than it already is. I’ve come to realize that the more I dig, the worse I feel, the more I alienate myself from the higher consciousness of one and the more fear-based my thoughts become. I see that many people are paralyzed in that rabbit hole, and they can’t seem to dig themselves out. Think Alex Jones:mad2:

That being said, isn’t a more solution oriented, roundtable-like:grouphug: philosophy more of what we should be chewing on each day? If so, Nader’s idea seems pretty tantalizing. If it were possible to persuade some rich people to utilize their money into a full scale effort such as this, young intelligent people could be paid to go out onto the streets, ride trains day after day after day (etc.) engaging people in subtle, calculated ways that tickle the individuals consciousness that could possibly unlock the paradigm shift we need.:lever:

Money is supposed to be used as nothing more than a tool, so let’s use it to build our kingdom – the kingdom of one. Money can be the tool that carves the bricks (the people) into fitting into the shapes that fit us all together as one. Once we are one, we would take in with open arms ideas like FE – only then can abundance be a possibility.

What does everyone think about this point of view? Please critique my statements if you see fit.

-Phoenix

[sandy]

Hi Phoenix,

Great to see you here and to have your self-proclaimed naivety bringing you to this arena. There is an old saying about the Golden Rule>> "Them That Makes The Gold Makes The Rules" I'm not sure that even if 100's of billionaires came together they could tackle the trillions that "them that make the gold make the rules" have as far as money goes.

I think it is much deeper than money. I saw another quote today somewhere in my travels (can't remember author) on the net that I think may be appropriate. It went something like this....................the world will unite with the realization of 'the power of love is far greater than the love of power' With that said we have a major obstacle to overcome as I don't know too many people who can truly say they are a total sovereign being with no need for power and or connection to those who have power. ie employers, friends, banks, family, institutions and on and on

I think I am just beginning to comprehend what Wade is trying to bring to light on this thread. At the same time I'm only beginning to try and comprehend what a world of FE would look like, be like and feel like and can barely fathom the energy that earth and her wonder would emit. As dim as the light is for all this to become a reality in my time (oldster myself) I have hope that it will happen for my grandchildren in at least their time.

Hope you stick around, I enjoy your presence.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Phoenix:

Everybody that I respect in the FE and related fields began their journeys naively, so you are in good company. :)

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

You open up some big subjects and several facets of the conundrum, and I won’t be able to tackle it all this morning, but I’ll spend a few minutes here on it.

On the retail political scene (which is of very limited validity, BTW – it is mostly a stage play), Nader is the only candidate that I have seen in my lifetime worth voting for for president:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#nader

But Ralph is not an FE guy, either. What you suggest is grass-rootsie. I played that game with Dennis, at a level where it has never been played at before or since, and there are many problems with that approach that I do not have the time to get into today, but let’s just say that “talk” in the absence of being able to demonstrate it, will not reach very many people, no matter how hard you try. Machiavelli was right:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

Chasing the rich is a loser, too:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#power

Money is only an accounting game and can only buy people’s effort. I am trying to mount a volunteer effort, which is probably the only one with a prayer. Employee efforts have very slim chances of making a dent in this milieu.

When you talk about going down the rabbit hole, I believe that you are only referring to the dark side. Conspiracism is a pit, as is structuralism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

Both play the victim game, and neither is really a comprehensive view:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing

I am here to help people think comprehensively.

I will agree that when people get to the point where they stop calling the darkness the light, and when they can begin to understand all the positive things that are possible if only enough of us became aware, then class is over.

But chasing the rich, retail politics, talking up “the man on the street” are all beginner’s dead ends. Yes, understanding how the world really works is not an easy task, and the important lesson on the darkness front is not really that the dark forces exist, but how they succeeded in getting the masses to call the darkness the light, how the masses willingly imprison themselves and police the herd on their own, and so on. But there is another part of how the world works that is critically important if somebody wants to help, which is understanding that it all rides atop the energy situation. The vast majority of the population is scientifically illiterate, and are easy prey for the “solutions” being bandied about like hybrid cars, biofuels, hydrogen power, compressed air cars, and other non-solutions. I talk about it some in this section of my first interview with Scott:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/3/cx4v9Wx7qlY

The standard activism tactics will not work for FE. That is one of the big problems. I have seen many, many activists think that they are going to tackle the FE issue with the standard Lefty tactics, or the right wing approach. They are all victim-oriented approaches, and they will not work for bringing FE to the world. There are many layers and facets, and one of my pithy sayings, that can paint the picture a little more clearly, is that nobody has been offered a billion dollars to call off their protest:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

Again, it is not just denial about the organized suppression that people need to overcome to begin to understand, but denial about many facets of how our world really works:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/happened.htm

I was just reading an interview with Chomsky the other day about Libya, and I saw something that the Left is notorious for. Because the Left is so materialistically-oriented, they cannot see beyond their structural way of viewing the world, and they actively deny conscious manipulation of the world scene. To them, there is no such thing as the dark spiritual path. They call it abnormal psychology and the dark pathers are called psychopaths, but until the dark side is understood in some detail:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

there is this great tendency to deny the darkness altogether. In that interview, he framed Hitler and other despots as people who were simply delusional, believing their own rhetoric. I have never seen a structuralist ever admit that those performing the evil deeds did it with awareness of what they were really doing, actively creating misery and suffering because they delighted in it. That is a huge limitation in the Left. Those same blinders are why they deny that there could be anything like organized suppression of free energy, dismissing it as a “conspiracy theory.” But, the right wing also greatly overemphasizes that situation. I estimate that organized suppression only amounts to 5-10% of why we do not have free energy today. The rest of the responsibility belongs to the rest of humanity. For a few thousand people to have 5-10% of the responsibility is a lot, on a per-person basis, but is quite small when compared to the collective responsibility that the rest of humanity has. And, again, nobody really wants to hear it, not when they are playing the victim game, and want to believe that those bad old hyper-elites are keeping us from free energy and heaven on earth.

It is fine for you to make your suggestions, and part of my purpose is to help keep newbies away from the meat grinder, but to also help them learn. This situation is like nothing else that you have ever heard of, and all the standard tactics will not work. That is part of the conundrum. When I see people like Sandy begin to have the various facets of the conundrum become clearer to them, while also beginning to understand some of the potential, it is a “mission accomplished” moment for me.

Gotta go to work now.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Thanks Wade,

I found the author of the quote I previously tried to write and it was Jimi Hendrix who said "when the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, the world will know peace".

Profound but true and Fe is the way, as survival instincts then, will not be the imminent conscious or unconscious focus of one's life. The possibilities and potentials will be unlimited. :)

[Phoenix]

I don't know too many people who can truly say they are a total sovereign being with no need for power and or connection to those who have power. ie employers, friends, banks, family, institutions and on and on.

That's too true. But it would be very hard to survive in the current system.


I think I am just beginning to comprehend what Wade is trying to bring to light on this thread. At the same time I'm only beginning to try and comprehend what a world of FE would look like, be like and feel like and can barely fathom the energy that earth and her wonder would emit.

I am as well. It's just very discouraging to see how many people can't bring this into their heart.


Hope you stick around, I enjoy your presence.

Thank you :o I appreciate your wisdom.

-Phoenix

[Phoenix]

“talk” in the absence of being able to demonstrate it, will not reach very many people, no matter how hard you try. Machiavelli was right... The standard activism tactics will not work for FE. That is one of the big problems. I have seen many, many activists think that they are going to tackle the FE issue...

So in your opinion, what should the awakened do? What should young people like me who understand all this, who really care, spend their time on? There is a huge underground movement (people I know personally) and we just don't know what to do.


When you talk about going down the rabbit hole, I believe that you are only referring to the dark side. Conspiracism is a pit, as is structuralism. Both play the victim game, and neither is really a comprehensive view.

So true. I have only been focusing on the dark side.


The vast majority of the population is scientifically illiterate, and are easy prey for the “solutions” being bandied about like hybrid cars, biofuels, hydrogen power, compressed air cars, and other non-solutions.

This I get - I am a chemical engineering student, and I can't figure out how to continue my academics wholeheartedly while understanding all of the suppressed technology throughout history...

-Phoenix

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Jimi was a Seattle boy. His influence can still be felt here, one of the last bastions of the romantic idealists (lots of fantasy authors live up here). Yes, in my interviews so far, too much of the interviews, understandably, focus on the drama of what I lived through, and how unbelievable much of it is to "Joe Average," but I got to talk some about what can be in my interviews with Scott, and how with FE and abundance, humanity would collectively move up Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs a few steps, and we would be more concerned with self-realization than survival. We will see if we get to see any of that in our lifetimes.

I feel a responsibility for my relatively abundant life. I am a member of history's most privileged demographic group, and I believe that I was given many opportunities that few have ever enjoyed on Earth, and I had to do something productive with those advantages.

Hi Phoenix:

You are asking great questions. To Sandy's observation, yes, no man is an island. Without each other, we are all pretty helpless. Let loose any one of us naked into the forest, and few of us would last a week. The most common response to FE is the most naïve:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#naive

and the most common response by people beyond Level 3:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

is something like, "I want to live way out in the wilderness someplace, but need an energy supply. Do you know where I can get a free energy machine?" It is not going to work that way, where those who want to live "out there" can just go pick up their free energy machine and return to the wilderness, not now. They have to help, first.

On your discouragement, I hear you loud and clear, and your response is a big reason why I am here. Everybody who begins playing this game at an active level has to go through levels of discouragement, dismay and disgust. It comes with the territory, which is why I said that Ernie's post a while back was so important. In order to keep going, aspirants have to move beyond that state, and it can only be done with love. We have to see people's souls, not their frightened personalities. We have to acknowledge where humanity is at (and dare I say it, love it), and own our piece of it, before we can change it. That is a lot easier said than done and might be the most difficult feat to perform on Earth. I saw my little responsibility vignette:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#responsibility

translated into Russian or something similar not too long ago. I think it is one of the more important parts of my site, and germane to this conversation.

What can the awakened do? Well, for starters they can try to help make FE happen. :) That is about the primary message of my work and this thread. If you are awakened, you are desperately needed. Probably more than any other thing, my goal is to help the awakened (and the awakening) know where the root is, so they do not hack at branches.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm

That is the motivation behind my upcoming essay (and much of my site). There are very few awakened humans on the planet today. If they are truly awakened, but have somehow not heard of FE (Level 0s):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

they should have the right stuff to quickly move to Level 12, especially if they have help from somebody who has already been there.

On being underground, my advice is to go aboveground. All the FE activists that I respect are not playing hide-and-seek with the GCs. It is a boy's game to think that we can hide from them, sneak past them, etc. As I stated earlier, on the FE subject, if I am still making public noise, it is safe for others to join the conversation and not try to play the anonymity game – anybody interacting me with does not have their identity hidden from those who want to know it. In this realm, the most important thing that a would-be activist can do is get educated before acting. Again, that is part of the conundrum. The best education is gained through experience, and I hear you on your formal education and its worth (or worthlessness). Getting the kind of experience that I did is life-risking behavior that I would not recommend for anybody. I point people toward experiences that are milder but can get them to where they may need to go:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing

For anybody who thinks that they can play at the high levels of the FE game, they need to consider if they can meet these requirements:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

I am not exaggerating. Those who are productively playing at the O'Leary/Greer/Dennis levels can credibly fill out an application like that, although Dennis is the only person I know of who can meet of all those requirements. I only meet three of the first six, and the fourth by proxy, when Dennis turned down the billion dollar bribe on my behalf (I would not have been tempted, either, but I respect why he did not tell me about it):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

I regularly get people saying that they cannot meet those requirements, so they have to walk away or look on from a distance. I always reply that I am not looking for heroes. Joining Avalon is not life-risking behavior, even for those using their own names. I am just looking for people who can sing the abundance song, and if enough of us can sing, we can form a chorus that has never been heard on Earth before. That is doing something. It is not scaling the ramparts and fighting the dragons, but I truly doubt that that is what is needed. I am not sure that I can even find a thousand people who can really sing the tune, but I am going to try. For those who want to solve the FE conundrum, this seemingly ancillary effort could be the key. We may still need the Indiana Joneses, but I hope that we do not. I do not want to see any more hero/martyrs in this effort. Can enough people becoming aware provide the catalyst? I am going to try to find out.

My break is over, and back to the long day.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Everyone,

I read a lot of Dennis Lee's journey today (Wades writings) and what a man to behold>>>>>no words can ever be adequate for the journey he has undertaken and not forsaken. Yes, Wade, there are few, but I think your goal to find more awakened or awakening jewels is the answer.

The more I peruse forums the more I see, if people could truly understand what FE would mean and do for our world and how ultimately it is spiritual by it's nature, they would jump on board. Instead I see so many are connected to all the distractions that keep us from identifying any real solutions and taking a good look at how FE is the IMMINENT SOLUTION to the "world's" salvation. It will level the playing field for all of humanity.

Just think of all the time one would have to indulge their self realization dreams, goals, creations, relationships, communities and spirit when their basic needs were no longer the big issue in daily life.

Phoenix you could put your beautiful heart out there for all to see and feel as you are already leading the way in being here, questioning and colluding with like minded friends. We wouldn't have to wear shields around our hearts to protect ourselves from jabs, put downs, etc. We would be free from drudgery and slavery. The bottom line when you break it all down, we are energy, bound up, stressed out, reactive and dumbed down. Hey that could be another reason why it is called FREE ENERGY:)

[Buck]

Hi Carmody:

Yes, I think you understand - I am going to do my best to not have this thread turn into a free energy physics discussion, or a "how to make a free energy device in your garage" discussion, or a "how to outsmart the Global Controllers" discussion, or the many rabbit holes that this conversation can disappear into. There are plenty of places on the Internet where people can engage in those conversations, and I wish them the best of luck with those endeavors. Be very careful is all the advice that I can give for those playing those games.

The conversation that I am trying to start here I have not seen tried before (I have tried elsewhere, and the naïve, the trolls, the self-interested and so forth swarmed, but with Bill's help, this may be a "sheltered" venue that can keep its vision high), and we will see how it goes. My writings are primarily about the political-economic dynamics of the situation and the barriers to comprehension that must be overcome if we are going to be productive. However, there is also a comprehensive nature to it that deals with science, consciousness and other areas, although I try to keep the discussion centered on the here and now, in physical reality. Here is where the power is, not someplace else.

This situation intimately affects every person on Earth, and in ways that are not always obvious.

Hi Jeanncav:

Good luck in your efforts,

Wade

Hi Wade,
This really resonates for me. As amazing as the various specific solutions in technology may be, even more amazing is the root of our relationship to all that is.

Thank you for your post, this is the first opportunity I have had to comment in forum after joining Avalon. It is so great to discover this thread the moment I walk in the door!

Cheers,

Buck

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Thanks for reading. Other people will have different things to say about Dennis and his journey, although I do not know of any accounts more detailed than mine, and none from anybody who was actually there for the fireworks. People like Mr. Skeptic will tell a very different story, but he showed up about a decade after the main events, and all he can do is lie about them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

and that makes him a media darling. All the national TV shows that have featured Dennis in the last decade or so feature Mr. Skeptic. What I have to say about my account is that it understates the situation. If Dennis’s life’s story were ever fully told, it would be totally preposterous. Heck, as I look back at my role in his story, I sometimes find it hard to believe that it really happened. But it was in ways too real.

One of the crazy things about playing the FE game, or endeavors like the Disclosure Project, is that the mainstream media and the general public are either entirely unaware of what is happening, or when they gain some awareness, all that pours forth is scoffing, ridicule and lies (or paranoia). The Global Controllers however, or those that Greer briefed (including the head of the CIA, the sitting U.S. president, the Vatican, the Pentagon, the United Nations, and so on), do anything but scoff. They pay full attention to Dennis, Greer and O’Leary, and take them very seriously. Sometimes their attention is deadly, and other times their attention is mind-boggling but relatively benign, but it is never dismissive. The general public slumbers on, however, and the media parades people like Mr. Skeptic on the TV to lie about Dennis. It is really a mind-bender to witness.

Yes, you are seeing FE’s potential. I have been living with its potential for about half of my life, and I can barely imagine what it could catalyze:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

It could also blow the planet up, but so can nuclear energy, and we have lived with it for longer than I have been alive. As Greer says, the worst elements of humanity already possess FE technology, so only seeing FE as a Pandora’s Box is pretty short-sighted. Apparently, today, the GCs can tell when the ZPF is being tapped, and they can tell if it got weaponized, so the apparatus is already in place to prevent what FE newbies fear the most. I give the situation a nod in my work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

It is crazy to only focus on the downsides while never even acknowledging the upsides, but I have seen it regularly:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#misinformation

I write about that issue and my approach in another post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=193963&viewfull=1#post193963

When we see people like Phoenix appearing, it brightens the outlook, for sure.

Hi Buck:

Welcome to the forum. I hope that you get something positive out of the experience.

Hi Butangeld:

It is an honor to get a post like that and, boy, we could go deep on the subjects that you just broached. Yes, it was likely me you heard on Camelot about Rappoport. In my interview, I erred when I said that Rappoport said there were eight cartels, when he actually says there are seven: energy, medicine, media, banking, organized religion, military and spooks, if I recall correctly. Government could be called another, although it is usually just the muscle to enforce the cartels’ supremacy.

Yes, imagination is powerful, and keeping stuff like FE unimaginable is the Global Controllers’ greatest triumph. Making it all thinkable is my game anymore, and it has been that way for a while:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

Yes, open sourcing FE is part of the solution. I have long said that the only chance that I see via the inventor route is for the inventor with the goods to give his invention to a worthy group. I have yet to meet that inventor, and I have yet to hear of that worthy group. That is part of the conundrum.

Yes, the treatment that FE pioneers and others who “threaten” the scarcity-based paradigm receive can be incredible to witness. They can get some very special treatment.

Good luck with your efforts.

Best to all,

Wade

[sandy]

Great Interviews!

Had time to listened to Scotts/Nexus Forum, interviews with both Wade and Brian today. Love the fact that they had some exposure and air time but there sure needs to be more focus of such information throughout all alternative media and forums.

In my mind, individuals are more focused on finding the truth to who is lying and planning more devious s**t versus a solution to all the BS. All the forums I visit are mostly a reiteration of many individuals proclaiming their theories and or intellectual opinions or views on NWO stuff (covers many topics) and spirituality. A chance to be heard, validated and belong through finding the like-minded. All to sooth the ego, sad to say and more often than not relegate responsibility of feeling powerless to the ever present pursuit of intellectual candy. (guilty):)

We really need to refocus IMHO, SPIRIT, HEART and mind, and in that order. If we are angels here having a human experience then I think we need to understand that we are like 'angels with one wing' and can't effectively fly alone. We need to find those who have 'the other wing'. No matter how many teaching say go within for all the answers, we cannot totally go it alone because if we are one consciousness then we truly are not alone. Together, we can soar to the heights we all dream of and desire. Wade, Brian, Dennis, John Hutchinson, and others I'm not familiar with are still working their hearts out to wake the world to FE. God bless them and their support systems that help to keep them going.

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Sandy:

The FE situation is a conundrum, you know. :)

Yes, conspiracism can be a disease, and structuralism also suffers from the victim mentality:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

That may be redundant, because all dominant ideologies,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

and most fringe ones, operate from the fear/scarcity/victim perspective, not the love/abundance/creator one. The divide can seem pretty pronounced:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming

Brian and I are doing an interview tomorrow, or at least it will be recorded tomorrow, on this guy’s show:

http://www.davidgibbons.org/id324.html

On the FE front, as can be seen on this thread and in my work, I am trying to do something different than discuss the latest FE aspirant, or FE physics, or tales of suppression. I really am not too interested in the organized suppression, other than to acknowledge it. It is very real, but is a small part of the picture. If we are going to break out of our self-created prison, we need to understand the terrain. We need to understand what the leverage points are, what the opportunities are, and what we can do, not what they do. Focusing on them goes right down the victimhood chute and plays right into their hands. I highly doubt that we are going to win our freedom through battle, outsmarting them, sneaking past them, and so on. As far as I have seen, the enemy is us. Those opportunists think that they own us, and we have played along. Refusing to play the victim game and instead playing the creator game is the only way where I can see some daylight. All other paths have led to disaster or getting the golden handcuffs. Love is still the answer.

We will see how it goes. Thanks for being out there,

Wade

[Hughe]

@ To Wade and all members,



What makes Hidro+™ sustainable?
Hidro+™ is unaffected by the costs associated with fossil fuels, consumables, upstream and downstream processes, providing sustainable energy security and energy independence in a environmentally friendly and economic manner by utilising only nature's energy and phenomenon that is continuously and freely available to everyone to generate energy.

Can I purchase my own Hidro+™?
Generally no as we are initiating the process of screening potential licensing partners and ascertaining the particulars of a relationship, however, purchasing can be considered on individual merit, subjected to a large capacity requirements.


Look at the self-contradicting lie from the free energy company here.

Saying "freely available for everyone", only sell the technology to rich group or individual who builds centralized grid system for entire region. How they call it "Freely for everyone."

Getting energy free from the nature, then charge certain amount for profit as usual business. What a crap. (I'm sorry to say this.)
Whenever the power grid knocks out, all the customers - individual house owners and people - will suffer any way.
The power company will exploit the profit to multiple magnitude cause they won't need any material process nor heavy cost of maintenance like nuclear power plant.

Secondly, I know why they don't sell it to individual because any smart person will figure it out how to work and modify, enhance the machine for own benefit. It must not occur for them cause it means their projected profit margin will decrease.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Hughe:

You are bringing up one of the aspects of the conundrum. I just did my first interview with David Gibbons, with Brian O, and there may be others. The FE conundrum was one of the themes of the interview. Anybody trying to do a business with FE walks a perilous path. To this day, Dennis is about the only person who ever got a head of steam going, and that is partly because he came from outside the ranks like he did, and was not motivated by money. There are many problems with going that way. Trying to approach it like some super-appliance, like they are (except centralized) is, easy to derail. Sterling keeps his ear to the ground on stuff like that, and he seems to do a creditable job here:

http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Hidro_--_Water_Pressures_Energy_Conversion_(WAPEC)

Again, the inventor/capitalist route is pretty much a dead-end in the current environment. It is kind of like the situation where no alternatives to nation-states are allowed to exist; the inventor/capitalist approach seems to be about the only one that gets pursued. Nobody has ever come close yet, with that approach. If they ever get going, then the sledgehammer (or the offer they cannot refuse) will come down. There are literally no exceptions to that dynamic to point to, not on this planet.

The tinkering inventors really have almost no idea, on several levels, of what they are getting themselves into. I really do not like to watch…

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

To Hughe’s latest and the interview that I did today, Brian and David brought up a subject that is important to understanding the FE conundrum. They brought up the mindset of the inventor and how well it fits with the effort needed to get an invention to the market. Inventors are creative types, like any artist. In the technical fields, those artistic, creative types are around 1-2% of the technical population. The rest have technical training, but they really do not have much creative talent. They are the specialists, for instance, who typically deny that FE is possible because their physics textbooks told them so. About 98-99% of scientists and engineers fall into that category, which is why people asking their scientist or engineer relative to assess the merit of FE is a loser:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#specialist

But, put aside FE for a moment. My first professional mentor:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

long before I heard of Dennis Lee or free energy, told me that inventors who developed any piece of economically innovative technology, and who were actually able to solely invent and end up getting the “rich and famous contract”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pvAKPM3gCs&feature=related

from their invention, you could just about count on one hand over the course of history. The standard story was that if the invention was something really good, it would be stolen. Only if the inventor had business savvy, or partnered with somebody who did (and who would not steal it for themselves), would he ever get to the “rich and famous” finish line.

Usually, inventors are deeply naïve about how the social world works. That naïveté also reflects, to a degree, where the inventor’s focus is – their nerdishness is partly what enabled them to be creative ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#nerd ), but it also hampers their ability to navigate the social milieu necessary to get the invention developed, and they are tasty morsels in the capitalistic shark tank.

And that is just for “normal” inventing, like household tools and appliances, the automotive industry, and so forth. When you begin talking about something like FE, you raise the stakes by a factor of a thousand or so. So, the FE inventor, tinkering in his garage, thinking that he is going to solve the world’s energy problems, has absolutely no idea what he is getting into. And like in other fields, but greatly magnified for FE, there are far more pretenders than contenders, at a ratio of something like 100-to-1.

And we have not even gotten to the organized suppression yet. As Adam Smith said, the essence of capitalism is wiping out the competition:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#smith2

Being a businessman for my entire career, I know the game, and anybody who plays at the high corporate levels knows it too. The only way to make monopoly profits, like a Microsoft or Google, is to have no competition. Usually, that means colluding with them, buying them out, wiping them out, or strangling them in their cradles. That is normal capitalism at work. Terms like “barrier of entry” and other anti-competitive stratagems describe the capitalist protections from competition.

When you begin to consider the FE milieu and the forces at play, magnify “normal” capitalism by a thousand or so, and you get an idea of what the FE dynamics are. A hundred billion dollars in quiet money is capitalism on steroids.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#payoff

Those are some of the reasons why I say that I am not very interested in the inventor/capitalist route to FE, not in today’s environment. My goal is to help educate the public so that there might be some fertile ground for any attempt to have a prayer. The energy situation and its resolution is going to dictate humanity’s immediate future, and something like FE can usher in an epoch of the human journey that looks like Star Trek. But we need to become aware, we need to act from whole hearts, we need to take responsibility and care about this situation. It is our future that I am talking about. The people running the show are merely filling a vacuum created by a species playing the victim game. If we take our power back, gently and lovingly, it would not take much to have a planet that looked a lot like heaven on Earth. That’s my game, in a nutshell.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Wade,

Just wondering if they have aired the show or when they will. Went to the web site you posted but couldn't find anything indicating you and Brian being scheduled. Not sure though if I need to be a member to access the actual radio shows. If they haven't aired it, did they give you a date for when they are going to?

[eaglespirit]

...free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, FREE ENERGY!
THINKING IT WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN NOW!
...with unconditional love, selflessness, wisdom and action as the core rhythms of epic change in Consciousness!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

I’ll post something here when I know when they will be broadcast. Already, it looks like there are plans for several more shows.

Thanks Eaglespirit. Yes, it is up to us, and miracles can happen.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Sandy:

I’ll post something here when I know when they will be broadcast. Already, it looks like there are plans for several more shows.

Thanks Eaglespirit. Yes, it is up to us, and miracles can happen.

Best,

Wade

Great News,

Several more shows sounds fantastic and very promising for spreading FE viability and potentials. I look forward to tuning in:)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Public interviews can help, but they can only scratch the surface. The people who will have a chance to really make FE happen have to go deep, far deeper than any interview can ever go. My upcoming essay is intended to help the interested few go there. Embryonic versions of my upcoming essay were these parts of my site:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

but those were written nearly ten years ago, before I became acquainted with Bucky Fuller's work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

and I never stop reading. The past several years of "serious" reading has been performed with the intent of writing that upcoming essay. FE can't really become a popular cause, not in the way that Dennis tried to make it, or other FE popularizers, because the audience is largely there to see FE happen before their eyes, usually so they can then cash in on it. They were largely attracted by the spectacle and the opportunity for short-term gain. That may seem harsh, but that is what I discovered after long years of being in the milieu.

Very few seemed to really have much understanding of our how our energy practices shape our world today and have shaped the human journey and even the history of life on Earth. The audience that Dennis attracted, for instance, would go home and forget about FE if it did not look like it was around the corner, and their perspective was largely concerned with the immediate impact in their lives, such as having no more utility bills, being able to comfortably live far from civilization, and so on. Almost nobody really grasped the big picture. When people do, it is obvious what a lynchpin energy is, and they stop scoffing at billion dollar bribes to keep FE away from public awareness and use. A billion dollars is a pittance to pay for the game that is being played:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#radar

So, my future work is going to be pretty cerebral, and I do not have many illusions that it will have a large audience. However, I am looking for quality, not quantity. It really would not take many of us to make FE happen. But that group will keep its eye on the ball and not be distracted by the spectacle of the next FE aspirant, the media attacks, the promise of nearly infinite wealth and all the other yawning pitfalls that attend the FE journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

If they form the nucleus that helps FE manifest, they will not be "heroes" in any popular sense of the word, but their pooled awareness and integrity may be the key ingredient to making it happen. I am not looking for heroes, and the only risk that anybody really faces when encountering my work is having their comforting illusions stripped away, but that clears the way for the truth to dawn, a truth that is liberating and can help lead to heaven on Earth manifesting.

I have no idea whether my attempt is going to be another fool's errand, but I have never seen anybody try it before, and I am going about it in a way that does not ask the participants to endure what I survived. I would not recommend that ride to anybody, although I would not have arrived at my perspective today if I had not experienced it. I am going to try to unravel the conundrum, and I will need the help of people whose hearts are whole, whose heads are aligned with it, and who can dare to imagine something different than what the societal controllers have been serving up for a very long time.

What has happened in almost all of my interviews so far is that the interview focuses on my Indiana Jones days, partly because it is so far outside the experience of Joe Average's daily life. Then the focus becomes the Global Controllers and their antics, and what I really would like to discuss – how humanity's energy practices have always shaped our existences and what the potential of FE is – does not get addressed except in passing. I usually get to talk about it for a few minutes, at most. I would like to be able to get past all the drama/trauma to talk about the important, visionary stuff. Maybe, one day, I can. One reason why I wrote these essays:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm

was so I would not have to continue to cover that territory. It is a lot less traumatic to talk about than it used to be, but there is a kind of voyeuristic aspect of people focusing on that stuff, and I would really like to get beyond it one day. In a way, it is very similar to the problem that Brian O has. We can't make the moon landing controversy go away:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brian_O%27Leary#The_Moon_Hoax_edit_wars

and the public is forever fixated on that part of Brian's life, which amounts to a tiny part of his involvement in such issues, but it is where the circus continually gathers. I sympathize with his frustration.

So, we will see how future interviews go.

Thanks for being out there,

Wade

[23VorteX23]

The techniques practiced in nei kung/chi king are authentic transformation techniques. we are lucky to have been able to see john chang at work in the 2 videos there are available. the principles used in these internal martial arts which govern the operation of the chakra system all tie in with the application of free energy. marko rodin's vortex mathematics explains the mechanics and i have verified the truth with my own experiences with the chakras. and as tesla knew, it is 'all about the 3, 6 and 9'

[Wade Frazier]

Hi 23VorteX23:

Yes, there are many avenues to the ZPF, and many worthy teachers and tools on the Level 19 end of things. I am trying to help people get to Level 12:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

On Level 19, one day, humanity will likely get there.

Best,

Wade

[ulli]

I have to admit, Wade, that since reading your articles on a regular basis as well as pay more attention to other sources relating to FE that level 12 is rapidly becoming a more permanent feature in my life than when I first posted in this thread.
I am also mentioning your work whenever I can and must say people's responses have been quite positive as they have had some previous preparation by giving the matter some thought, much to my surprise. Things really are changing.

The I Ching Hexagram # 57 comes to mind:

"Sun is one of the eight doubled trigrams. It is the eldest daughter and symbolizes wind or wood; it has for its attribute gentleness, which nonetheless penetrates like the wind or like growing wood with its roots.

The dark principle, in itself rigid and immovable, is dissolved by the penetrating light principle, to which it subordinates itself in gentleness.
in nature, it s the wind that disperses the gathered clouds, leaving the sky clear and serene.
In human life it is penetrating clarity of judgment that thwarts all dark hidden motives.
In the life of the community it is the powerful influence of a great personality that uncovers and breaks up those intrigues which shun the light of day."

So I just wanted to say that for you to bring your life's dream to Avalon was a good approach...your consistent posts so full of clarity will bring about the critical mass needed for this to gain further momentum in the ether.
The quality of posts here testifies to this.

[eaglespirit]

Hi Sandy:



So, we will see how future interviews go.

Thanks for being out there,

Wade

You can certainly carry the ball and steer the upcoming interview with James ...bringing out what You need to and choose to.

Looking forward to that!

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Ulli:

Ah yes, the Masters of the East. Michael stated that Lao Tzu manifested the infinite spirit:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

and I'll buy that. He was more of a mental-focus master than that guy from Nazareth, who was more heart-focused. The I Ching, Tao Te Ching and other works reflect some deep stuff from those Chinese masters.

Encouragement like that really is helpful. Avalon is kind of cloistered, and I do not keep my ear all that close to the ground on FE developments, but as you can see on this thread, I can't help but be aware of who is making waves in the FE field, as relatively small as it is. When I hear that more people at least think about FE, it makes me wonder if the indefatigable efforts of people like Dennis, Brian O, Greer and company have somehow made a dent, and if my approach is already obsolete, at least from the perspective of making FE happen. I am ready for The Muppet Movie ending anytime. I think that when I saw ZPE mentioned in The Incredibles, it made me think that something had shifted, as strange as that may seem.

What I am doing here is premature, at least as far as those best-laid plans go. I was very pleasantly surprised to see that Bill had launched this protected forum, and when I saw my work being discussed, I jumped in. I had already decided that I would mount an invitation-only publicly-available conversation after I finished that essay (I already came to the same conclusion that Bill did, as far as all-comers forums for subject matter like this), but it looks like I may already have the home that I need here. Time will tell. This has happened quite surprisingly.

Part of what I am doing, especially with that essay, is to sometimes write with the assumption of FE already being here, as a way to help direct its unfolding in a way that can encourage the highest and best implementation of it. The more people who understand the role that energy has in all of our lives, the greater the chance that people will consciously choose an implementation that will better everybody's lives, instead of becoming an Orc fight for the One Ring, which the FE pursuit has turned into all too often.

Also, of course, the more people who can just make FE thinkable, the greater chance it has of manifesting, but, as may be becoming obvious to those who follow this thread, there is one heck of a lot to the FE conundrum. It is by no means easy to understand in all of its dimensions. I really have not begun the conversation that I want to have – it will be somewhat technical, as my essay will demonstrate – but the plan is for the energy issue to be understood in a comprehensive manner by as many people as possible. Then, I think that it will be a lot harder to uproot and bury, as has been done before. Many unknown pioneers and legacies are strewn across that battlefield.

Thanks for reading, thinking, and stirring it up with your pals. :) I am pleasantly surprised by the responses that you are getting, but that could just reflect the circles that you run around in.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks eaglespirit.

James and I are on the same wavelength on these kinds of subjects, as far as I have seen. It should be fun talking with him. When I have been there, I mostly listened, but to chat would be nice.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Sandy:

Public interviews can help, but they can only scratch the surface. The people who will have a chance to really make FE happen have to go deep, far deeper than any interview can ever go. My upcoming essay is intended to help the interested few go there. Embryonic versions of my upcoming essay were these parts of my site:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

but those were written nearly ten years ago, before I became acquainted with Bucky Fuller's work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

and I never stop reading. The past several years of "serious" reading has been performed with the intent of writing that upcoming essay. FE can't really become a popular cause, not in the way that Dennis tried to make it, or other FE popularizers, because the audience is largely there to see FE happen before their eyes, usually so they can then cash in on it. They were largely attracted by the spectacle and the opportunity for short-term gain. That may seem harsh, but that is what I discovered after long years of being in the milieu.

Very few seemed to really have much understanding of our how our energy practices shape our world today and have shaped the human journey and even the history of life on Earth. The audience that Dennis attracted, for instance, would go home and forget about FE if it did not look like it was around the corner, and their perspective was largely concerned with the immediate impact in their lives, such as having no more utility bills, being able to comfortably live far from civilization, and so on. Almost nobody really grasped the big picture. When people do, it is obvious what a lynchpin energy is, and they stop scoffing at billion dollar bribes to keep FE away from public awareness and use. A billion dollars is a pittance to pay for the game that is being played:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#radar

So, my future work is going to be pretty cerebral, and I do not have many illusions that it will have a large audience. However, I am looking for quality, not quantity. It really would not take many of us to make FE happen. But that group will keep its eye on the ball and not be distracted by the spectacle of the next FE aspirant, the media attacks, the promise of nearly infinite wealth and all the other yawning pitfalls that attend the FE journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

If they form the nucleus that helps FE manifest, they will not be "heroes" in any popular sense of the word, but their pooled awareness and integrity may be the key ingredient to making it happen. I am not looking for heroes, and the only risk that anybody really faces when encountering my work is having their comforting illusions stripped away, but that clears the way for the truth to dawn, a truth that is liberating and can help lead to heaven on Earth manifesting.

I have no idea whether my attempt is going to be another fool's errand, but I have never seen anybody try it before, and I am going about it in a way that does not ask the participants to endure what I survived. I would not recommend that ride to anybody, although I would not have arrived at my perspective today if I had not experienced it. I am going to try to unravel the conundrum, and I will need the help of people whose hearts are whole, whose heads are aligned with it, and who can dare to imagine something different than what the societal controllers have been serving up for a very long time.

What has happened in almost all of my interviews so far is that the interview focuses on my Indiana Jones days, partly because it is so far outside the experience of Joe Average's daily life. Then the focus becomes the Global Controllers and their antics, and what I really would like to discuss – how humanity's energy practices have always shaped our existences and what the potential of FE is – does not get addressed except in passing. I usually get to talk about it for a few minutes, at most. I would like to be able to get past all the drama/trauma to talk about the important, visionary stuff. Maybe, one day, I can. One reason why I wrote these essays:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm

was so I would not have to continue to cover that territory. It is a lot less traumatic to talk about than it used to be, but there is a kind of voyeuristic aspect of people focusing on that stuff, and I would really like to get beyond it one day. In a way, it is very similar to the problem that Brian O has. We can't make the moon landing controversy go away:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brian_O%27Leary#The_Moon_Hoax_edit_wars

and the public is forever fixated on that part of Brian's life, which amounts to a tiny part of his involvement in such issues, but it is where the circus continually gathers. I sympathize with his frustration.

So, we will see how future interviews go.

Thanks for being out there,

Wade


Hi Wade,

Well I have blood shot eyes but well worth it. I couldn't stop reading. OMG I feel like I'm back in school a REAL school of our history of energy since man discovered fire. The big picture of where we are at today because of energy is so clear. I just keep thinking this needs to be taught from grade school on but alas our education system is part of today's paradigm.

Making a video with an intriguing story line (curiosity killed the cat stuff) would be the only way to get it out there, lets say on Youtube, recognizing it would be an immense and expensive project, but one where the youth today might get some kind of exposure to today's reality and how it could be different. I used to facilitate brain storming exercises throughout my many years of group work so please forgive me this indiscretion:)

Although what I read last night and today was written 10 years ago, the majority of it still fits today. It does really point out though the challenges ahead for your vision and I now fully comprehend the massive effort needed to make it happen. I do IMHO believe it is possible and you are the person to do it, why else would such souls as Your Mentor, the Professor, Dennis, Brian and others have been on your path during this your journey?

Have a beautiful weekend my friend!

[Ol' Roy]

Hi Wade,

How is the essay coming? I guess we are all chomping at the bit, eager to read it.

I may have missed some of your postings on Steven Greer. It seems he is having trouble trying to raise the money for his FE project. He says he has all the top scientists in place, just needs the funding to bring them together. Just IMO with all the connections he has, it doesn't look like it would be that difficult. But I sure there is a lot more to it than I realize.

What is your input on this?

Thanks,
Ol'Roy

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Thanks for reading. My journey was preposterous and is unbelievable to many, and it was guided by unseen influences. That much, I am sure of, and I do not know what is in store. Sometimes, even I have trouble believing that it happened like it did. However, I have always been more of a spear carrier than the guy wielding the spear, and I am happy with that role. From a young age, I was a big picture guy, and in my forties I discovered that it is called being a comprehensivist or generalist. I had never seen anybody quite try what I was doing, and I am not sure how it is going to fit in, if it does. The Avalon forum is my latest attempt to engage some members of the public. It has never really worked out before, but I have some hope for this recent effort.

I have been receiving some interesting offers to get my work into videos, etc. But, what I have out there is really not all that good, not when I think of what it could be. It was mostly written in my early days as a writer, and I would really like to go back at it ten years later. Then, maybe it will be ready for different mediums, etc. Right now, my site is more of a sandbox of ideas and information. I won’t be able to rewrite my site like I want before I get a little more ambitious with the material, but I at least want to get that upcoming essay written. As far as drawing the picture of how energy has shaped our existences, there are plenty of works out there that do that. My work is different in that I do not come at it as an academic, but as an activist who got a rude awakening of how the world really works if people begin to play the energy game at a high level, and who also knows that FE technology is already here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

It is not a theory. But, I really have to make my case better on the energy issue, which is what my upcoming essay is intended to do. When I can get that finished, then maybe I can embark on something a little more ambitious. I also sympathize with the sense of urgency that many people feel, and that we have to do something, and now, before the ship sinks. Impatience is my Achilles heel,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#reading

so I am keenly aware of those who want to do something, and now. I had a generalist buddy go off the deep end a year ago over the BP Gulf spill, and I can only imagine what he is going through today with fallout from Japan in his breakfast cereal.

I am hoping to help people think comprehensively, and that is a long, difficult road to walk. Generalists can suffer from a lack of depth of knowledge that the specialists have (the devil is in the details), and multidisciplinary efforts are ideally launched by a bunch of specialists from diverse disciplines getting together. One man shows like I am doing are rare and usually of dubious worth, but I am also told by students of the process that the breakthrough paradigm shifting is usually initiated by individuals who bring it to groups that are ready for it. It needs to come together in one mind, first. I have no idea if what I am attempting fits into that framework or not, but I am just trying to fill a void that I saw in all FE efforts. We will see how it goes.

Hi Ol’ Roy:

I mentioned my issues with getting it finished recently:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=199411&highlight=2012#post199411

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=208220&viewfull=1#post208220

I do not know about the rest of you, but I have never had both time and money in my lifetime. If I get one, I lack the other. In my upcoming interview with Scott on Tuesday:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/upcoming-shows.html

I talked a little about what it has taken to do what I have. I basically spent ten years of my life, nearly all for free, living and surviving my adventures, and performing the research and writing that became my site, and another ten years of my life digging out of the debt that that journey demanded. That did not leave much room for anything else. I had to forego luxuries like being a parent, owning my home, and so on. I resumed by career back in 2003, and since then, I have had very little free time, as I raced time to dig out of debt and try to set myself up for a survivable old age. Something had to give, and it has been my research and writing, and to some degree, my health. So, I plunk along on the research for that energy essay in my “spare” time, and we will see when I get it finished. It looks like it will not be until 2012.

On what Greer is doing, as I state in my interviews with Scott, what Greer is trying to do is virtually impossible in today’s environment. I discuss it some in this segment:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/2/r3ZOkbhfeJU

If he succeeds, it will be because he was allowed to. This earlier post hints at some of the issues:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=212132&viewfull=1#post212132

Best,

Wade

[Tahi]

Wade, I think there would be some helpful people here looking for ways to contribute.

I'm sure if you ask for some recommendations and reviews, you'll be able to get some vid production gurus to at least point you in the right direction. :)

The information flowing to me now, re FE is increasing. I have been seeing my life when we are truly free from energy (worries/ stress) getting larger and brighter everyday lately.

So I think we are on the right track, and increasing awareness is the stage we are at at the moment??? There are more opportunities to talk to others re FE and other issues, and it be a serious conversation. :cool:

Now we sit back and watch it go viral??? Isnt that the way of the internet?

Who knows...

[Phoenix]

What can the awakened do? Well, for starters they can try to help make FE happen. :) That is about the primary message of my work and this thread. If you are awakened, you are desperately needed. Probably more than any other thing, my goal is to help the awakened (and the awakening) know where the root is, so they do not hack at branches.

I just don't understand the practicability of your angle. The only thing you think we can do is talk about abundance and imagine it with ourselves and our friends? How will that make it come to light? The idea that you can just talk to, imagine, and awaken enough people which will in effect catalyze a change of this magnitude... I just can't fathom it working...

It's like trying to end world peace. Even though most people believe in world peace, it doesn't do anything to just talk about it and imagine it..



I am just looking for people who can sing the abundance song, and if enough of us can sing, we can form a chorus that has never been heard on Earth before. That is doing something. It is not scaling the ramparts and fighting the dragons, but I truly doubt that that is what is needed. I am not sure that I can even find a thousand people who can really sing the tune, but I am going to try. For those who want to solve the FE conundrum, this seemingly ancillary effort could be the key. We may still need the Indiana Joneses, but I hope that we do not. I do not want to see any more hero/martyrs in this effort. Can enough people becoming aware provide the catalyst? I am going to try to find out.

Through my frustration, I understand somewhat the answer here... There is no "quick fix," there is nothing to practically "do" right now, all we can do is keep fighting the mental onslaught that we deal with. This kind of FE revolution will NOT happen in 5, 10 or even 25 years... Best case scenario is probably something closer to half a decade..

-Phoenix

[Phoenix]

I see so many are connected to all the distractions that keep us from identifying any real solutions and taking a good look at how FE is the IMMINENT SOLUTION to the "world's" salvation.

Sandy this is SO TRUE. Every time I say something like this on the forum, it kinda gets ignored... people are addicted to all the negative BS. I wanna scream when I log in and see all the new threads are "Earthquake predicted in xyz" and "Is this birth certificate real or from a crackerjack box? We must all find out."

I want to focus solely on solutions, I know from doing about a year's worth of research that society is horrifyingly messed up. I know - we all know.

I feel that most people start digging in the rabbit hole, get pretty deep, get paralyzed by the fear, and then never have the strength to climb back out.

I look forward to your reply, hopefully we get a chance to really converse.



Phoenix you could put your beautiful heart out there for all to see and feel as you are already leading the way in being here, questioning and colluding with like minded friends.

Thank you for you beautiful words. I lead well, but I just can't figure out where to lead the people.. I'm still figuring out where I fit in this puzzle

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Tahi:

Right now, I am just trying to create and present the best material, and then we will see.

Hi Phoenix:

Good questions. The “negative” stuff that you are encountering is primarily purveyed by people trapped in conspiracism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

If you could find a hundred people who could meet these qualifications:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

we could get cracking on making free energy happen tomorrow, and nobody could stop us. I have only heard of one person on the planet who meets all of those qualifications and is active today. One Indiana Jones can’t do it. For those who want to help and be active, the FE heroes that I currently have the most respect for I list at this link:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#hero

Or, if you could find 10,000 people who could hold this vision and not waver from it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

and were not trapped in unproductive understandings (every layer below Level 12 on this chart):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

we could also get cracking on free energy tomorrow, and not just wishing for it, but doing something about it. If an abundance choir ever got going, I have a feeling that some harmonic effects are going to accompany it, effects that can shatter a lot more than glass. At Avalon, I have heard from only a few people who consider themselves Level 12s, and none of them admitted that they even thought like Level 12s until encountering my work. Anybody who is really a Level 12 will have laid aside all scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

or is working hard at doing it. A handful of Level 12s ain’t gonna get there, not in today’s environment, not with humanity’s collective inertia and the organized opposition. Few FE aspirants ever get to where Godzilla ever needs to do anything about it; the vast majority fall on their swords or get eaten by the lower-level predators, and Godzilla never even needs to roll out of bed to deal with the threat:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#godzilla

The enemy always has been us. In my first interview with Scott, I talk about the many would-be FE aspirants that I have seen over the years, and their quixotic quests. I have played Sancho Panza myself:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

Virtually all those would-be FE heroes have been a bunch of boys living in a fantasy world, as far as I have seen, and none have gotten within a thousand miles of the dragon’s lair.

In this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#g/c/BACC03E294B890CD

and the one coming up next week:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/upcoming-shows.html

I give very practical advice for FE aspirants, advice that I have not seen anybody else on the planet giving out. Nobody that has ever played at the level that I experienced is giving out public advice to would-be aspirants, not that I have seen. If an aspirant can make it past these early-level pitfalls:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

maybe they can become a contender, but the people I know of who avoided those pitfalls I can just about count on one hand, especially for those who are still active.

I give highly practical, principles-based advice for anybody who wants to go try to scale the FE ramparts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm

Bringing FE to the world is not a task for a bunch of kids playing the underground game. They have to go out and gain experience on the high road before they take on that cause:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

Young Warriors would be the weak link in any FE effort, but Warriors who have grown up and renounce violence and coercion, because they understand the complete futility of it, can be vital allies in making it happen. When Gandhi organized his non-violent civil disobedience, he recruited ex-soldiers who had renounced violence. There is a level of understanding that comes with such a path that can make such people invaluable allies. Dennis is an ex-soldier who served in Vietnam,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#dennis

and that is partly what qualified him to do what he does.

Yes, Sandy is correct in seeing the leverage point that energy is. That is what I am trying to get across. But the Big Boys understand it quite well, also, which is part of the conundrum:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#radar

The greatest triumph that the Global Controllers have accomplished regarding FE is making it unthinkable. We first have to imagine it before we can pursue it. Making FE thinkable is my game right now, and if enough people can just think about it, taking action will be the easy part:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

When I hear people like Ulli and Tahi saying that more are thinking about it, I think that maybe we can get somewhere. But I really have only seen a few people singing the abundance song on Earth today. The New Agey version of “abundance” is not the real thing:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#newage

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/opinions.htm#mystical

For those who want to pursue real solutions, nothing will have the impact that FE does. Pursuing FE is the pinnacle of activism on Earth today, but exceedingly few are suited for it. Very few people realize the import of FE. I have been living with its potential for about half of my lifetime, and I can barely imagine what its impact would be. The impact of FE would dwarf all of humanity’s previous epochal events (the super-predator revolution, the domestication revolution, the industrial revolution):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#revolutions

so, it certainly seems to be a worthwhile pursuit. :) However, it is not a task for beginners, Young Warriors, and the many other pretenders who want to be contenders. It is like walking the razor’s edge to get there. FE has existed on the planet for probably a century. The past sixty years or so has seen the developing science of FE suppression. If it takes fifty more years for the transition to FE to happen, that is but a blink of the eye, as far as the human journey is considered. I may not live to see my beloved species turn the corner (if we do indeed turn the corner), but I have been doing what I can. Patience, my young friend. Rushing out and doing something is a path that I am familiar with. :) We need to understand the terrain, the goals, the means that can get us there, and so on, before we can embark on an epic quest that has never been completed in humanity’s history. I know that time is short, but we need to be at our highest and best to get to the FE finish line. Anything less will end badly.

Best,

Wade

[norman]

If the corner was turned, would all that energy rushing into the world be well handled ?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Norman:

"Turning the corner" means that it was well handled. :)

Best

Wade

[Phoenix]

Hi Wade,

Points well taken. I like the Godzilla reference:)

In my opinion, for there to be enough people to sing in the choir you are searching for, we must first slowly shed the ideals of our present day society before FE is even touted. This is "opening our minds."

I think once we can create an environment for more people to have an open mind, we will be more open to ideas that shatter society as we see it today.

So for now, my vision is to take part in this expansion of consciousness on an individual level so to affect humanity more intensely down the road.

-Phoenix

[sandy]

Dear Phoenix,

Wow I hear your sense of powerlessness to effect change. You do know the answer and so few want to hear it, never mind jump on the seemingly going no where bandwagon. I too feel powerless to affect people often and just want to smack them with words that would create a reaction as in that at least one can begin some kind of dialogue. However, I do try not to do this (it can hurt people) and I may be hit with the judgment, don't be negative, go within for forgiveness/answers, etc, noodle and I hate pasta:)

I too have been referring to FE on 3 forums, as the answer to ending our own slavery and "Mother Earths" destruction and it too has been bypassed and not thanked out of courtesy even by most.

I gave one of my brothers>>>>>(he is mentally handicapped but very good at being one of the best cons in the world:) ) the nickname of "EasyPeasy" a few years ago. I have watched over him for over 40 years and have Power of Attorney re: his affairs. So when he gets into financial straits or other trouble and I question to see what the problem is he says well you know me Easypeasy! Which he understands to mean...............take the easiest way out for the immediate pleasure, gratification or benefit.

In saying that, this is were most people are today when it comes to waiting and preparing the journey to ensure that all perceived pitfalls have been alleviated if possible and game plans for pitfalls should they happen. We are a quick fix society which is another dynamic to the conundrum. I have made uninformed and highly informed decisions to make changes in my life and was not prepared for the many pitfalls of the transition to a new way of being or living. Even though I created it I still struggled with the emotions that came with it due to all losses in the old comfort zone and the unease with all the new. Being 'hungup' and not centered for any length of time can be pretty devastating and unsettling until acceptance finally sets in. Another thing our society is not willing to do is what I call Bite the Bullet and any thought of having to live with less or do without creates more victimization and responsibility abdication.

Therefore unless the real history, from when man created fire, to today regarding energy, is taught from grade school on and we know that this will not be a reality anytime soon we are looking at the mindset of a dumbed down civilization with beliefs that hold them in their dumbed downness:) Forgive my weird wording..........

So hang in there buddy, accept how you feel sometimes, take a break, have some fun and then get back on the soap box so to speak. All is not lost. After all we have YOU!!

Hey maybe we should start a thread called "EasyPeasy or Abundance". We could converse about how much easier it is to be completely consumed and or distracted with conspiracies and new age/spirituality or how only looking for truth in these areas can be detrimental to our beautiful planet and civilization. How about when we say we are searching for balance does that mean we include solutions such as FE which will help all the world to live in peace and abundance or does that mean just me. Boy, I better get down of the Box as this turning into a freaking novel.

Take Care Phoenix and talk to you soon or when you have time.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Phoenix:

For the awakened and awakening, it is not like that as the clouds begin to part and you look around, everybody around you has been waiting for you to wake up and rejoices in your awakening. At this stage, anybody who begins to really wake up to their divinity and creatorship is going to be a needle in a haystack. Those playing the conspiracism game, the underground game, the Young Warrior game, and so on, are still wrestling with delusions that are fatal for the FE pursuit, because the early pitfalls quickly swallow them all up:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

“Godzilla” is Greer’s colorful term, and I freely borrow it. Godzilla stomped on Dennis, Greer and many others who tried navigating FE's minefields:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#adamiak

Here is my preferred approach that I wrote of several years ago:

http://www.serendipity.li/fe/minefields.htm

Greer overcompensated by going Über-warrior in his approach, which has definitely limited him, but I understand the motivation. Again, nobody likes admitting it, but when you begin playing at the levels where Godzilla takes interest and decides that you might need to be dealt with, the dismaying part is not that Godzilla is real, but the fact that so many of your “allies” gladly help him out and cheer him on. For instance, and I talk about it in my first interview with Scott at this part:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/4/ZI39RzWxCOQ

when the LA Times did a multi-page “investigate report” on Dennis when he was in solitary confinement for trying to throw a Christmas party for his inmates:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sadistic

it was about the last time that I read or watched a media account about Dennis, because I finally had it driven into my head that they can simply make it up as they go.

The worst part was not that such lies get broadcasted far and wide and you do not have a forum to respond to them, but how eagerly your allies, friends and family swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker. I had a close relative who made a scrapbook from all of those lying newspaper articles and took it on tour to my friends and family, telling the story of “Wade the crook.” That relative never even asked me for my side of the story. That is harder to deal with than all the lies that the media trumpets. There were even family members who got stepped on like I did, and they knew who the evil-minded people were (sheriff’s department, the DA, etc.), but even then, they parroted the propaganda so they could justify abandoning Dennis. When I saw that happen, I was quickly approaching my radicalizing moment on the witness stand:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#faces

When Young Warriors appear, offering their services to go “get the bad guys,” as they drip with their Young Warrior weaponry and tactics, you will be their first victim, and then they will attack each other, and Godzilla will look on in satisfaction at the self-inflicted bloodbath as The Treasure of Sierra Madre effect takes over, with a chuckle and delight that once again, he did not even have to lift a claw, as the aspirants slaughtered each other in a fear-and-greed-fest. If there is a consistent dynamic to the Young Warrior route to FE, that is it. I lived through a few rounds of that. As Dennis has said, it was always the “nice guys” who ended up stabbing him the back:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#shocked

When you go through several rounds of those awakening experiences, you begin to realize that the enemy is us. It is about that time that you become disgusted with humanity, and that is probably your most dangerous moment, because it can be a very slippery slope to a highly negative view of humanity.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#disgust

That moment of disgust comes with the territory, I am sorry to say. Most never recover from that disgust, but those still active and productive must overcome it, and that can only be done with love, so you can see past those frightened personalities, living in a world of scarcity, to their divinity within. That might be the most difficult feat on Earth. People like Dennis have done it, incredibly, even as he is betrayed over and over and over, looking for those gold nuggets in humanity’s mine tailings.

I have a busy day ahead of me, so I have to get at it. I encourage you to stay tuned to where this Avalon effort is going.

Hi Sandy:

During my first year with Dennis, which was the happiest year of my life, I gradually had my yuppie lifestyle beaten out of me.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

Five dollars was a lot in those days. I could live in a tent if I had to, but I would rather live in abundance. However, like you say, if you are going to embark on change, especially for something as epochal as pursuing FE, you need to do the inner work and get out of your comfort zone, because the pursuit of comfort is a velvet-lined trap. The vast majority of humanity worships comfort, and they are easily manipulated by pulling their scarcity strings. The Ra material provides a good framework to understand it.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#ra

The dark team and the light team are marching to a different drummer than the pursuit of comfort. As I interacted with literally thousands of people on the FE issue over the years, and saw my fellow travelers do the same, it gradually dawned on me what all the denials had in common (the Level 1 to 3 denials http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart ); their objections were all rooted in scarcity-based ideologies that fed them and stroked their egos:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

As far as I have seen, people need to relinquish all of that baggage before they can really get productive in the FE milieu. Even most high-level players in the milieu still drag around one or more of those ideologies, and it really hampers their efforts. Again, it is like walking the razor’s edge to eventually attain the vista where an abundance-based reality becomes possible:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

For now, I am just trying to help people to learn to relinquish the baggage and climb up the hill to the view. If enough of us get there, then maybe we can do something truly productive.

Karl Marx, in his Communist Manifesto days, played Young Warrior as he embarked on his messianic quest (he was still struggling with his Jewish roots and the messiah complex) to dethrone those bad old elites. When he saw how some violent revolutions turned out, he eventually realized the folly of the Young Warrior path and began advocating non-violent ways. It would have been nice if the world’s Left learned from that, but most Lefties are stuck in the victim mentality, and the rad left is usually trapped in scientism, materialism and rationalism, which are the more subtle and cerebral scarcity-based traps.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#subtle

Best,

Wade

[Phoenix]

Hey maybe we should start a thread called "EasyPeasy or Abundance". We could converse about how much easier it is to be completely consumed and or distracted with conspiracies and new age/spirituality or how only looking for truth in these areas can be detrimental to our beautiful planet and civilization.

Hi Sandy,

Great idea. We need to help people here to stay focused, and stay positive. Pitch them the idea that the research, problem-based threads that consume their time and energy is the same as someone watching the MSM and worrying about the murder in their hometown. That problem consumes the sheeple of their time and energy, the same way problem-based threads function here at PA.

I would go as far to say that the threads in the general discussion category should be divided into two main sub catagories, "Solution based threads" and "Problem based threads."

Where solution based threads are all the ideas of what we can do to improve the state of affairs we are at right now, and problem based threads can be where we expose and talk about the problems that we face.

The point is (Sandy you know this already) that we need not to get rid of problem based threads, but we need to distribute more of our time to solution based discussions rather than problem based ones.

-Phoenix

[Ol' Roy]

Hi Wade,
Thanks so much for your patience with me. The 2 posts that you refered to addressing when you would get your essay finished, I had actually read. But it was 3 in the morning and I must have been brain dead. lol

I also listened to the WHOLE interview with Scott. Where you gave info about Steven Greer. My apologies.

Listening to the interview, I came up with an idea. If Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or a maverick like Richard Branson could be convinced of the benefits of FE, could they not make it happen? Bill Gates has spent 30 billion on Africa and Warren Buffet 30+ billion. 200 million would be a drop in the bucket for them to get things going. Do they not realize how that would benefit mankind but would also enhance their business ie. make a profit?

But then I went to Brian O'Leary's workshop in Zurich Conference(Camelot Library). He said he had written to Richard Branson and received no response. I can image the frustration you guys have been through. He is now focusing on the socio-political aspects of FE.

I have more respect for you than ever. Trying to work a day job plus all your other responsibilites and still trying to make time to contribute to betterment of mankind. Thanks for all you do. Looking forward to 2012, when you finish your essay. I always go to your thread first to see what you and others have posted.

Regards,
Ol'Roy

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ol’ Roy:

Thanks for reading and listening. I write a little about my encounter with Gates here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#gates

Chasing after the rich is one of the first things that almost everybody thinks of, understandably. It is normal to think that if the rich would just shake loose a few bucks, FE would be a downhill racer. Oh, don’t I wish, but reality has always proven to be starkly different. That is a big subject and I am not sure where to start, but I will try. I once met a billionaire who came to our offices in Boston, and Dennis has met a number of billionaires on his journey, and some have talked pretty big. None have ever been helpful. I have also heard of the nightmares that other FE aspirants experienced as the rich got involved. Almost nobody ever got rich due to saintly qualities, especially the “philanthropists.” A long time ago, a member of one of Dennis’s organizations met with a Rockefeller heir for lunch, and the heir said that he did not know of one dynastic wealth fortune that was built honestly.

Brian O’s encounter with that high-tech “philanthropist” long ago was instructive:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#oleary

Because none of the dynastic fortunes were made honestly, the motivation is already tainted, if sometimes subtly. When I have seen and heard of the rich getting involved, they end up corrupting the cause with their agenda. That has happened countess times in “progressive” causes, where the cause ends up seeing things their donor’s way. Some are outright Astroturf organizations:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#coalition

while others just get “bought” by some “benefactor” and become tools for a financial play:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#protest

It is called “activist capture.” Environmental organizations are particularly obtuse on the FE front, as I discovered long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#environmentalists

Most of that obtuseness is the hair-shirt mentality, but there is also the capture by the “philanthropists” and other self-serving sellouts that make those orgs not only ineffective, but sometimes actually fakes. Alden Bryant was the hippest environmentalist that I ever met. He was a fellow founding member of NEM:

http://www.newenergymovement.org/founders.php

At significant levels, Alden got it. He understood the organized suppression and even worked to try to spring some from jail who got the Dennis-style treatment. He also worked with Yull Brown. Alden was the father of the Rio Summit about twenty years ago, and knew all the big names of environmentalism, usually on a first-name basis. But, he was about to have a rude awakening as he tried to get the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and the like involved in NEM. No takers. They were all stuck in Level 2 or Level 3:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

for those that had not been captured and were Potemkin environmental organizations anymore.

The point of the forgoing is that even “do-gooder” organizations have been chased after, many times, without success. Capitalist “philanthropists” are an even weaker bet. Bill Gates did not do any of his “philanthropic” work until he got married. Melinda is the force behind their “philanthropist” activity, and it is a very strange philanthropy. The Gates Foundation is invested in all sorts of nasty businesses, but the financial return is good. Activists have tried to get them to invest in green, humanitarian businesses (as if there really are many of them), and the Gateses just shrug it off. Bill himself openly admits that profit-seeking is behind his “philanthropy,” as those beneficiaries will eventually become customers (he was probably referring to Microsoft products, and that angle has been mentioned independently for many years, as Gates “gives away” Microsoft software, trying to build brand loyalty for almost no cost, and it is not like those kids could afford Microsoft products, anyway, so it is a cost-free way to build brand-loyalty in potential customers, and makes for burnishing that “philanthropist” image). I am highly skeptical of his vaccination campaigns:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#vaccination

Basically, the rich capitalists, even those who seemed to be idealists, like the Google Boys, have ended up being a huge distraction to FE aspirants, and if anybody ever really succeeds in getting their involvement, they would probably eventually wish that they had not. Their involvement would likely be another version of the Golden Handcuffs. I have heard tales of household-name “philanthropists” getting involved in FE and totally wrecking the ventures with their power-and-control games. Those are situations where Godzilla watches from a distance and lets nature take its course, never having to lift a claw. It really is not that hard to keep the lid on FE. The aspirants and their “allies” unwittingly do most of Godzilla’s work for him, as hard as that may be to believe.

I mentioned it in one of my interviews with Scott that when Greer hung out with Laurance Rockefeller, it became evident that Rocky was surrounded by people who ensured that he was never really going to be a fly in the ointment to the Global Controllers’ programs. He basically got to play with his navel a lot, but was never going to be allowed to do anything productive outside of the world domination paradigm. Greer has mentioned other rich people who poked their nose into FE, to be either subtly or pointedly dissuaded from getting involved.

I also talked in one of Scott’s interviews about a rich man who came to our facility in Ventura just before they lowered the boom on us:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#windmill

The Big Boys have their carrot-and-stick methods of suppression honed to a science, and when a rich man gets involved, even with innocuous stuff like a windmill facility, they send him scurrying along back to his mansion pretty quickly. If they have to put a horse’s head in his bed for him to get the message, they will.

Money is a big illusion. It only buys a person’s effort. That is all that money has ever done and ever will do. It is only an accounting mechanism. When people think that money will solve the FE conundrum, they are admitting that nobody will help out unless they are being paid to. If you stand back and think about that, what a damning thing to say. However, so far, it has ruefully proven to be true. People like Brian and Greer and even Dennis still chase after the rich from time-to-time. I lost interest in that avenue long ago.

I watched Dennis vacillate on that issue many times over a twenty-year period. The rich came and went, with their promises and bluster, but the only person who ever helped Dennis along was John Q. Public. Dennis has consequently tried for mass movement efforts, and has made more headway on that front than anybody else ever has, but plenty of pitfalls attend that path, too.

Chasing after the rich is another aspect of the conundrum, and a huge time-waster, as far as I have seen.

To what Sandy and Phoenix are exchanging about, on solution pursuit, that is a good idea, and what I do on my site plenty. However, every time the FE conversation gets going, it seems to have to cycle through all the dead ends that people suggest. There are innumerable pitfalls:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

and dead ends:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#potholes

Many very worthy aspirants have tried all of those avenues, many times, without success. That is why this is a conundrum! :)

I could do another post on people approaching the government, but not this morning. Nobody is going to help but us.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

One last post before I begin my work week (the next couple of months promise to be somewhat less taxing, at least at the office, and I hope to get good progress done on that essay), on the “philanthropist” topic. When I hung out with James Gilliland:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/ufo.htm

it quickly became obvious that James was real and had been around the block a few times with his The Ranch activity. During our chats, he mentioned that “philanthropist” subject and how the ultra-rich had come to see UFOs fly overhead and went home very impressed. But when the so-called “humanitarians” got involved, it always ended up badly, and James told me the following joke:

“If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?” :)

When he told that joke, it was obvious that he had poignant encounters with the rich and famous “philanthropists,” too. They are not who they may appear to be. Dennis had numerous encounters with the billionaire “philanthropists,” and when he has told me how some of it went, my thought was, “Those are some real sick people.” While somebody like Bill Gates refreshingly stands in the popcorn line at the theatre and nobody notices him, dressed about like I was (except for what were obviously very expensive shoes, and I am not sure what they were made of, but I am guessing that it was alligator, but I could be wrong), the rich and famous, and I include A-level rock stars and their estates in that milieu, are not a bunch of big-hearted do-gooders, and for the very few that may be, if they poke their nose into FE, they are quickly dissuaded from further involvement, either subtly or dramatically (if they do not take the misdirection or subtle hints, then the message becomes more frank). The vast majority of such “philanthropists,” if they get involved, are either part of a clandestine effort to ruin it (rarely), or their power and control games easily wreck the efforts and shatter lives (by far the primary dynamic), unwittingly doing Godzilla’s work for him.

On approaching the government, I talked some about it with my interviews with Scott. I have spoken at DOE hearings:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#yull

and helped Brian O write a proposal to the DOE:

http://www.brianoleary.info/Impacts.html

But it was always the Dennises and Brians who wanted to do that (they were both deeply imprinted with American nationalism), and I was just their spear carrier. Approaching the world’s governments is usually worse than a dead-end. I have seen some even approach the Pentagon. Talk about walking into the lion’s den. They lived to tell about it, but that is about the most naïve approach imaginable, I am sorry to say. The world does not work like that.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi everyone,

I had a few comments I wanted to write about but then I got a phone call just now from my boss that I think is far more pertinent. My boss is a young guy, with contacts in the field, but no actual relavent experience. I work for him on a consultant/per project basis.

So just now he calls and says he has a new position opening up for a service technician, with a truck and on call. I reminded him that we have already talked about that and I thought I had made it clear that I was not interested in full time employment. I was honest again, I told him it would not work out, that eventually we would get in a big fright and I would quit. I told him again that I was committed to helping him succeed, but not in the capacity of employee.

Then he starts bitching about how hard it is to find good workers, etc. I said, well that's your job - you picked it. He says, ya, and I hate it. I replied by saying that is why I work the way I do, because the normal, full-time, work hard, sun-up-to-sun-down, slog it out till you're 65 then retire, scenario was unacceptable to me. And he says that he knows I have simple tastes but he needs his Masserati and villa in the south of France (literally what he said). He says its hard for him to "go without" because a couple of his friends from high school have become very successful and so he has to live with the opulence basically in his face. And he's greedy, he wants that lifestyle, too. So I just threw in a question about how is his friends' home life? He said they were having troubles: lots of drama, kids into drugs, wives indifferent, and both were having affairs. I said, exactly, that is what you have to sacrifice, in most cases, in order to be successful. For me the price is too high. He wanted to argue that he would never do those things or allow his family to fall apart. I just replied that you say that now, probably your friends said the same thing at your stage. I said that the family disruption is the cost of success, all too often. It would not be something you could control, if you want to be successful, because your business will demand more and more of your attention. He did agree but said he had no choice, for now. So I said I was available next week to get the project started and on track down at the power plant.

I remember when I was nineteen I set the goal of making a million dollars quick and then retiring to write my books. Not three months went by, on my very first full-time job, when I decided that goal was unattainable in any practical way short of coming up with some invention or other lucrative financial boon or turning to crime. I decided then that I would never become a millionaire by working at a job. And I decided to not work myself to the bone just to survive but find little ways to implement my official income to reduce the time I would need to work. Not long after I reprioritized my needs and wants to some degree to bring it in line with my projected income. I gave up entirely on the brand loyalty thingie. I saw right through their bells and whistles ploy, their bait and switch manouver, their high pressure sales tactics and remained mostly immune from such means of parting me from my money. I see now I learned early to make do with less and altered my beliefs accordingly.

The salient point to me is that I came out of my formative years, fresh from my schooling with the idea of becoming a millionaire - of working hard at a job, day in and day out, month after year ... But at what point would any one become a millionaire doing that? Never. Where did I get that idea? That's my next area of discovery. Right now I'm wondering are there others with this type of mindset coming into the workforce? My boss seems to attest to it, and I know others. Just how prevelent is this idea?

This question hits at the root of the matter, I think. It unveils the extent of the control exherted upon us and the indoctrination of the young into a scarcity paradigm is virtually an iron-clad method of producing compliant, apathetic societal members.

[sandy]

Hi everyone,

I had a few comments I wanted to write about but then I got a phone call just now from my boss that I think is far more pertinent. My boss is a young guy, with contacts in the field, but no actual relavent experience. I work for him on a consultant/per project basis.

So just now he calls and says he has a new position opening up for a service technician, with a truck and on call. I reminded him that we have already talked about that and I thought I had made it clear that I was not interested in full time employment. I was honest again, I told him it would not work out, that eventually we would get in a big fright and I would quit. I told him again that I was committed to helping him succeed, but not in the capacity of employee.

Then he starts bitching about how hard it is to find good workers, etc. I said, well that's your job - you picked it. He says, ya, and I hate it. I replied by saying that is why I work the way I do, because the normal, full-time, work hard, sun-up-to-sun-down, slog it out till you're 65 then retire, scenario was unacceptable to me. And he says that he knows I have simple tastes but he needs his Masserati and villa in the south of France (literally what he said). He says its hard for him to "go without" because a couple of his friends from high school have become very successful and so he has to live with the opulence basically in his face. And he's greedy, he wants that lifestyle, too. So I just threw in a question about how is his friends' home life? He said they were having troubles: lots of drama, kids into drugs, wives indifferent, and both were having affairs. I said, exactly, that is what you have to sacrifice, in most cases, in order to be successful. For me the price is too high. He wanted to argue that he would never do those things or allow his family to fall apart. I just replied that you say that now, probably your friends said the same thing at your stage. I said that the family disruption is the cost of success, all too often. It would not be something you could control, if you want to be successful, because your business will demand more and more of your attention. He did agree but said he had no choice, for now. So I said I was available next week to get the project started and on track down at the power plant.

I remember when I was nineteen I set the goal of making a million dollars quick and then retiring to write my books. Not three months went by, on my very first full-time job, when I decided that goal was unattainable in any practical way short of coming up with some invention or other lucrative financial boon or turning to crime. I decided then that I would never become a millionaire by working at a job. And I decided to not work myself to the bone just to survive but find little ways to implement my official income to reduce the time I would need to work. Not long after I reprioritized my needs and wants to some degree to bring it in line with my projected income. I gave up entirely on the brand loyalty thingie. I saw right through their bells and whistles ploy, their bait and switch manouver, their high pressure sales tactics and remained mostly immune from such means of parting me from my money. I see now I learned early to make do with less and altered my beliefs accordingly.

The salient point to me is that I came out of my formative years, fresh from my schooling with the idea of becoming a millionaire - of working hard at a job, day in and day out, month after year ... But at what point would any one become a millionaire doing that? Never. Where did I get that idea? That's my next area of discovery. Right now I'm wondering are there others with this type of mindset coming into the workforce? My boss seems to attest to it, and I know others. Just how prevelent is this idea?

This question hits at the root of the matter, I think. It unveils the extent of the control exherted upon us and the indoctrination of the young into a scarcity paradigm is virtually an iron-clad method of producing compliant, apathetic societal members.

Dear Ernie,

Very good points and yes the indoctrination truly goes deep within our society. There is a plus side happening though IMHO. The dark side appears to be winning however this darkness is causing people to look for some light>>>>>>any light. Your ability to talk with that business guy about his companies workforce concerns, facilitated a light to be exposed. One maybe he is not ready to aspire to attain as yet, but one which has him looking and listening just the same. My own son (only child) has this mindset and is so stuck in the material world and ego, it breaks my heart. So I continue to love him from afar until the day comes when he may want contact and help in finding some light. I believe one day this will happen.

Trouble is brewing everywhere and much of humanity is starting to wonder what is going on!! We can see it around the world in many places. Here in North America it is not quite as apparent, but will be soon, as we all know. The days of us who have had the privilege to live in a part of the world with an abundant lifestyle, are quickly changing for many. Ideals of what comfort are being reassessed out of necessity for those who have or are about to lose their homes and or jobs, etc.

Thank God their are still some people who do have integrity and common sense as those will be the ones who can lead the way to FE awareness, potentials, and it's eventual reality. You may just be one of those people:)

Thank you for sharing, I enjoyed your post.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

What you are encountering is pervasive, especially in a world of scarcity. I live in the Bill Gates bubble, and everybody above me in my company has become a multi-millionaire or is about to (it is one big Revenge of the Nerds episode), with our CEOs centi-millionaires. In high tech, it is still young and relatively innocent, so talent can get you there, not as much on who you know, like it can be on Wall Street and elsewhere. But really, none of us are really "worth it," not compared to the rest of humanity. Steeply hierarchical economic/political/social systems are the norm in a scarcity-based world. Bill Gates used to be "worth" the poorest half of humanity. That is about the most surreal statistic that I can think of, to describe our collective plight. But outside of those "hot spots," where the sharks are increasingly circling, it is a pipedream sold to the youth, but everybody wants a piece of it.

I remember several years ago reading that fully one-third of teenage African-American boys believed that they would make a living as a professional athlete, and their parents believed it at about the same rate. I was a college athlete, and knew some who "made it" as professionals, but they were very rare. I have a permanent back injury from that athletic foolishness. Other friends tried going pro, but fortunately had college degrees to fall back on. The reality is that 1-in-5,000 of those teenage black boys will become professionals, and even then about 1% of those will successfully live the rest of their lives on their athlete's earnings. I am sure that you have heard the stories of today's professional athletes grossing more than $100 million in their careers, to be flat broke even before their careers are over. That is off-the-scale insane, but most lottery winners end up the same way. What a horrible con job foisted by society on those black teenage boys. Their other role models and road to wealth are as drug dealers.

Similarly, I have written that I lived in LA and half of my friends and family were in entertainment. In some ways, it was like if people were raised in fishing villages, they became fishermen. Many of my friends and family ended up in entertainment because that was where the jobs were, but few became marquee names and I have helped support some of my aspiring Hollywood friends and family over the years. One Hollywood has been used to sleep on my couch. But everybody wants to be a star, and all manner of fake and flake flocked there:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/bragg.htm

In a world of scarcity where egocentrism rules, this craziness persists, while the would-be FE heroes try to carry humanity on their backs.

For the rest of the West, they are Orwell's proles,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#orwell

whose job is to follow orders. Capitalism is an ideology founded upon greed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#greed

In the USA, the Reagan years were when greed truly became a virtue, Gordon Gecko-style. I lived in LA then, and it was amazing to witness the attitudes. I was a fish very out of water. As a somewhat humorous aside but related directly to your query, in the late 1980s, there were quite a few victories over "organized crime." The biggest organized crime syndicate runs the planet, but those Italians and friends, the lower level players (I could tell a funny story about how the Big Boys look at them, but not now), got taken down back then. The corporations squeezed the mob out of Vegas, and a bunch of wise guys sold each other out to the prosecution. Anyway, back in the late 1980s, I read an interview with a "Mustache Pete" type, a retired gangster. He was lamenting about what was happening. He said something like, "When I was coming up, we had respect, we had omerta, and it was a good life. Now, all that the young hoods coming up want to do is make a million dollars as fast as possible." When a gangster pines for the "good old days" before greed totally took over, that is a pretty bald indicator of where my society was heading. If anything, it is worse today. What a world the young stand to inherit! No wonder we see all of the dysfunction in today's youth. Life manning the fry machine – not too many kids want to grow up to do that.

The gulf between the haves and have nots continues to widen. No wonder the boys all want to become stars, and those who "make it" only piss away all that they make, and quickly. Living a "normal" life is some kind of doom to them, and it is easy to see why.

People close to me have taken your path, and they are doing the work. Two of them sleep in trees (no kidding) and they can just about fit all of their possessions on their backs. For lifestyles like that, they can live pretty richly and are doing lots of spiritual growing. However, a vow of abundance, not of poverty, is the one I would like to see being made in the world. In Star Trek, whatever they want, they have, and nobody hoards "possessions."

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#trek

With FE, that world can come into view, and quickly. Seems like something worthwhile to pursue. :)

Best,

Wade

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Hi Sandy:

All I have to say to your post is amen. :)

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Phoneix,

Sent you a post with an idea, check it out and see what you think:)

[Ilie Pandia]

After going through Wade's web site and his posts here I believe there is another reason why rich people would not help someone develop FE.

It's like you go to them and say: "Hey, could you invest some money in this device that will make your 'wealth' obsolete and totally change your life style?" The rich person may not perceive that on a conscious level... but it's a clear conflict of interests here :)

Same with doctors that "attempt" to cure disease... they don't really want to be successful, because they would be out of work! Not good for business! This is why preventive medicine should be encouraged.

Note: I know some really good doctors that struggle with the system. My remarks are not addressed at them! They try and do the best job they are allowed to do!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Thanks. As you know, I talk at length in my interview with Scott about the game that the Big Boys are playing, which is enforcing artificial scarcity to maintain their Earthly power:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx4v9Wx7qlY

They understand very keenly that keeping the lid on disruptive technologies like FE is what keeps them on top. To your point, yes, some who are merely filthy rich also know on some level that their place in the pecking order would change if FE happened. While your point is undoubtedly true for some of those rich folks, I am going to take it a little easier on them as a group, if you don't mind. :) You probably will not disagree with anything below, but I want to take the opportunity that your observant post presents to paint some more dimensions of this conundrum.

The fact is that virtually nobody anywhere supports FE efforts, and they all have their reasons, which is usually of a self-serving nature, however unconscious that might be. The rich have a claim on more of humanity's effort than you or I do, so I suppose that we could say that they have a greater responsibility that they are failing to live up to. But, when I have seen the rich hamper Dennis, or destroy other efforts, it was not so much that they were thinking, "Let me ruin this, because then my position will be safe," but they wrecked it from stupidity and the need to be in control, no matter if they had no idea what they were doing. From what I have seen, they are not necessarily trying to wreck it out of conscious intent or even unconscious, but it is just a lot harder than it looks and very few are suited to it, rich or not.

As I stated earlier in this thread about inventors and disruptive technologies, vast fortunes have been won and lost in the capitalistic battles over disruptive technologies that have nothing to do with energy. Even if there was no organized suppression, it is awesomely difficult to develop and bring to market any new technology. So much has to go right. In my high tech life, I once worked for a travel agency dot.com, and it was easy to see that brick-and-mortar travel agents were going to go the way of the dinosaur, and soon. But that company failed, while companies like Expedia thrived (even with the crummy user experience that I usually get with them).

Another company that I worked for was right in the middle of the smart phone revolution. It was easy to see it coming. For nearly the past ten years, I have been saying that eventually people are going to use one device, and it is going to be either a very smart phone or a very small computer. That convergence is quickly happening, but for every iPad that laps the field, many, many contenders fall by the wayside. The iPad was something like the twentieth bid that a high tech company had made to put a tablet computer on the market. The iPad is the first one to succeed since the Etch-a-Sketch. Timing and execution were the keys. Steve Jobs's commitment to a great user experience made Apple what it is today. Billions of dollars have been thrown at disruptive high tech gadgetry, and only some of it "sticks."

Rich people got involved with Dennis regularly before his free energy days, but the greedy capitalists almost never understood the brilliance of what Dennis was doing. His Systems for Savings programs were ingenious (which I see being used today in alternative energy, and they will never credit the pioneer, as usual http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#steal ), but nobody wanted some crazy program where the money would not all roll in for several years, not when they could smell the quick kill.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#sfs

They never appreciated that the SFS program removed the customer's risk and put it on the seller. Without that risk shift, the customer would not buy it. Eventually, Dennis got the chairman of the board of a household name corporation to understand, and just as they were about to devote a billion dollars to doing his SFS program nationally, his "allies" destroyed it all so they could steal a few hundred thousand dollars from Dennis. So, if the stars align and the rich can figure it out, they will go for it because they can smell profits, but capitalists can be amazingly short-sighted, and blow it all up when they could have easily rode to the moon if they were smarter.

I am a very strange bird in my corporate life, where it is pretty much assumed that we all belong to the Republican Party. I just received an unsolicited offer today from Ralph Reed to our CEO to have lunch with Donald Trump. But, for all of that grotesqueness, I work with what most would call "good people," and among all the rich people that I know, I never see malice, and some are famous for their personal integrity. By their lights, they live a righteous and honest life. I am not absolving them of all responsibility for our sorry state of affairs – we all have a hand in what is happening – but if they could get beyond all the scarcity-based objections to FE (Levels 1 to 3 – but most are at Level 0), I think that the vast majority of them would want it. Who really would not want to live in heaven on Earth if they had a chance? I think that only the dark pathers would not want to see it. The light pathers and the middle-of-the-roaders (about 90+% of humanity) would sign up in a heartbeat. But when you have carved out your niche in hell (even if you are rich), any change can look like a threat.

As you know, I write at length about the medical racket and, indeed, most doctors are afraid of rocking the boat, a boat that we all paddle, to one degree or another:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#system

Even doctors who go into medicine for idealistic reasons (and believe in prevention) have it beaten out of them by the time they leave medical school. The machine grinds on, and these dynamics are prevalent in all industries and professions, but more so where the money and power is more concentrated.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

On the health issue. I also long ago lost faith in our modern medical system. My solution was simply to never get sick again. It was a natural evolution of my earlier hard-set intention to never grow old or to die. After I realized what a ****ty world I was living in I decided that lioving forever was not what I wanted. So I changed it to simply never growing old and never getting sick. I have not been sick for many years now. When I feel a cold or flu coming on I take heed and slow down, get my rest.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

Smart move. I always say that if I never get on their turf, they can’t get ahold of me. We all die sometime. It was Jack LaLanne who said, when asked how long he would live, “I do not know how long I will live, but I want be living while I am living.” And Jack did, clear up to the last week of his life.

I know how to be healthy (it is really pretty simple), but doing it is another matter, and my journey has taken a toll on my health, so I went to a doctor for an exam for the first time since 1985. It looks like I am going to be here a while longer, but once this little bout is behind me, maybe I won’t go for another 25 years or so. :)

I think I wrote about it on this thread before, but one of the more memorable channeled messages that I ever read was in reply to somebody asking if it was possible to live forever, and the response from the entities was something along the lines of: “It is possible to greatly increase longevity to something approaching immortality, but we think that the closest experience to a hellish existence would be to live all the time on your plane of existence and never die.” :)

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

Agreed....

[sandy]

After going through Wade's web site and his posts here I believe there is another reason why rich people would not help someone develop FE.

It's like you go to them and say: "Hey, could you invest some money in this device that will make your 'wealth' obsolete and totally change your life style?" The rich person may not perceive that on a conscious level... but it's a clear conflict of interests here :)

Same with doctors that "attempt" to cure disease... they don't really want to be successful, because they would be out of work! Not good for business! This is why preventive medicine should be encouraged.

Note: I know some really good doctors that struggle with the system. My remarks are not addressed at them! They try and do the best job they are allowed to do!

Hi Ilie,

I agree with some of your points of view and especially with the Medical arena. I once tried to market "Emotion First Aide" workshops to the Medical and Teaching Industry to assist in facilitation of learning and healing but both looked at me like I had laid an egg. Being able to emotionally validate another and freely express your own goes a long way in healing and teaching one's spirit. That is what love is all about and it is so sad that civilization is dumbed down to this also and very fearful of it as well.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

On the medical field, there is a lot to say. The mental/emotional aspect of disease and healing was largely ignored back when I was writing about the medical racket, and I have not heard that it changed much since then. For instance, the mother of that girl who died of leukemia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=194267&highlight=leukemia#post194267 ) told me that during treatment and after she died, the mother was given all sorts of questionnaires to complete, for research into her daughter’s condition and leukemia in general. They were all about what substances she might have been exposed to. She was in support groups, and one thing that became evident was that most childhood leukemia patients were overachievers. No questionnaire ever asked a question about a topic like that. The mother was pretty frustrated. This is something that even Socrates remarked on long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/mdaq.htm#socrates

The materialist, reductionist approach suffers from tunnel-vision. Also, there has been a great tendency for male doctors to avoid emotionally connecting with their patients:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#spitfire

In the USA in particular, with all the money and God-like powers that are bestowed on MDs, the sociopaths have flocked to it, and the system encouraged it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#arrogant

While the exact mechanisms to suppress alternative medicine are somewhat different than those used in the energy racket, the outcomes are the same: the maintenance of the orthodox viewpoint and racketeering model. In medicine, all alternatives are promoted by “quacks”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#quacks

even if the “quacks” were Nobel Laureates.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#pauling

In energy, FE inventors and scientists are “crackpots,” “cranks,” and other epithets. Because of FE’s extreme danger to the power structure, the suppression mechanisms are more refined and more resources are devoted to them. Not since the days of Morris Fishbein:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#rife

and his cronies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#fitzgerald

have I heard about trying to buy out cures (to monopolize them). They have not used carrots in a long, long time, at least not the friendly buyout offer for cancer cures. They just use the stick.

Capitalism is on a mission to own life itself. Companies like Monsanto are actually achieving it in ways, with patenting their genetic engineering “wizardry.” We are tiptoeing along the edge of the abyss in numerous ways, but it always seems to be, at its root, the scarcity-based perspective. Greed and a lust for power can never be satiated, as they are rooted in fear. Love is and always will be the answer, in ways both obvious and subtle.

Best,

Wade

[Scott]

Hail all

Wade Frazier's 2nd interview will be aired tonight, Tuesday May 10th 2011 @ 7:55 Pacific 10:55 Eastern where he will be talking about "The Free Energy Inventors" (http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html)

You can Listen live HERE (http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/listen-live.html)

Always a pleasure to talk to Wade, I think this is important information to get out there :)

P.S this is a pre-recorded program, so no call-ins will be available :(

Scott

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I was going to do Scott's job for him if I did not see him post on it, but he performed as expected. :)

Tonight's show is really the splicing together of part of the first interview with the second, but Scott did an excellent job playing editor. You can tell that we are having some fun in the interview. It is a pleasure to be interviewed by people who know their stuff. The show ends with me stating that I hope that any FE aspirants find that interview and listen to it, because it is not information that was easily obtained. It is not meant to discourage anybody, but to give realistic information on the terrain that needs to be navigated by any contenders.

While my journey was perhaps useful in what I learned from it (and maybe I can help people from learning all of those lessons the hard way – people usually have to get some experience to realize that others have been there before and their warnings are not fantasy), what I really want to discuss is also the subject of my upcoming essay:

1. How energy runs our world today, how it has always run all life on Earth and the human journey, and how the deeply-held assumption of energy scarcity has shaped human thought, often in subtle ways;

2. What the potential of free energy is, in its environmental, economic, social and political (and dare I say it, spiritual) aspects.

I think that if enough people understand where we can go if we relinquish the deeply-held assumption of energy scarcity and comprehend what a world of energy abundance looks like, more of us would keep our eye on the ball and not be distracted. It usually takes a comprehensive perspective to see it, because you can then see the forest and the trees.

Those interviews with Scott, Tom, Bill, Kerry, and so on I feel are important conversations, but I hope that they become building blocks to take the conversation to higher levels. If enough people can raise their awareness, I think that making FE happen will not be that difficult – the technical parts have already been completed long ago in the Above Top Secret world. The hard part is raising the awareness. It may be something that can only be gained through experience, but there have to be easier ways to learn the FE lessons than having your life wrecked, which is what I am trying to help along. When Marx was playing revolutionary, he said that the proletariat needed to go through a trial by fire to gain the experience and maturity necessary to responsibly handle the power that he believed that they would take from the elites. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, he came to realize the folly of violent revolution, and advocated peaceful methods in his old age.

However, he may have been right in that only tested people will be able to change the order of society for the better. This task is not suited for many people right now, or should I say that not many are fit for the task. If a publicly-mounted effort is going to succeed, the people who will bring it forward will be those precious few who understand the desired result before we get to experience it. Most are not going to wake up to the possibility of FE until it is already here, like Machiavelli said:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

For those who are willing and able to understand before FE is delivered to their homes, they are my target audience.

Best,

Wade

[Scott]

Hail all

Great interview Wade :)

I think the release of these alternative energy sources is inevitable as the human species is destined for space, its a matter of planetary species progression. The question is can we as a species achieve a balance between our technological expansion and our spiritual progression and when will we be able to test this question in the real world when self appointed elitist factions withhold the possibility as long as they deem necessary?

The show is now available on our archives page.

Enjoy!

Wade Frazier -· The Free Energy Inventors (http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/)

Scott

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Scott:

Thanks again for doing it. That was fun to do. I have listened to it a few times. All of my interviews are different in ways, but that one was my most fun one yet, as much fun as that stuff can be. :)

Yes, you summed it up in a nutshell. Our spiritual and technological progress, particularly in the FE arena, are directly connected, and that the organized suppression has proven so successful is more of a barometer of humanity's state than it is the antics of the hyper-elites. I think that a lot of them want to take credit for this state of affairs, but really, we really deserve the lion's share of the responsibility, which also means that it is really up to us if we get FE, not them.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Somebody posed this question privately, so as to not put me at risk unnecessarily – I highly appreciate that consideration and discretion, but this is an area where I do not feel vulnerable. Here is the question:


You and Dennis have tried everything to get FE widely available so you know what does not work and why.

So you have a new approach, raising awareness, which might actually work.

So here is the paradox: doesn't this make you more "dangerous" in the eyes of Godzilla, than even Dennis was?

My guess is that, with this new strategy you are putting together you rely on some "high quality" friends (like "the voice"?) and this is a level that is even above Godzilla's head?

In this case Godzilla either doesn't understand what you are doing, or... it's forced to let you get away with it because of some "cosmic rules" regarding awareness...


Part of my reply was:

Well, maybe not so dangerous, but yes, what you are stating has occurred to me. It is possible that somewhere deep in my subconscious, I may see this as potentially more effective than all other efforts that I have seen (but that would be my ego talking), and Godzilla should really pay attention and eliminate this threat, but people who just write seem to be left alone, by and large. I have my Internet stalkers, and some are probably professionals, which is why I am staying put in Avalon for now and kindly rejecting offers to appear in other venues. But, really, I see what I am doing as helping to raise awareness so that the true FE heroes have an environment that is more supportive of their efforts. By itself, could it provide the catalyst? I do not know. It could be, but that really is not what I am hoping for. I am simply aiming to create an environment of support. I saw what I am attempting to mount as a key part that was missing, but most of that missing piece is because most people really do not care (in the end, the biggest issue is that we are an egocentric species, and I do not know if that can be overcome), and the Big Boys already know that, so they know that my efforts are not going to ignite some mass movement. I am aiming for something a lot smaller, but of higher quality – at least that is my hope (or delusion :) ).

My effort is kind of halfway between some mass movement, that usually plays to the lowest-common denominator, and what the FE heroes do. I have seen the Lone Rangers of FE get picked off one-by-one, and I have seen how easily a few provocateurs and a little establishment pressure makes FE mass movement attempts crumble. I am no hero, and do not seek any, but if enough people raised their awareness high enough and were able to form an abundance choir, I wonder what might happen. You could almost say that the last twenty years of my life were devoted to satisfying a curiosity. But, it is obviously more important to me than satisfying idle curiosity. All FE efforts that I have seen so far suffered from having almost no public support, and if they really tried delivering some technology, the sharks swarmed, long before Godzilla even showed up, if he even needed to. There really is nothing for the sharks to eat with an effort like this, so they likely will not be interested.

I sometimes wonder if the forces watching this effort play out (both the White Hats and Black Hats definitely are) are beginning to make their subtle moves, and maybe I am getting some protection, and perhaps otherworldly, but, really, I am doing my best to appear and truly be harmless. I realize that for those addicted to Earthly power, and know that keeping humanity mired in artificially-induced scarcity is their primary means of maintaining their position, this effort could eventually become the greatest threat of all, and maybe some of them realize it, but if they really did, I would not be writing this, but would have met my maker long ago.

I have no illusions that I can drop some kind of love bomb on them to make them see the light. If enough of my target audience really saw the light (it would probably take at least 10,000 people, but that miracle I doubt will happen in my lifetime – the bigger miracles will likely happen at the Global Controller or Indiana Jones level, not this one), then the Big Boys truly could do very little about it, and they may realize that their game is over, at least on this planet. But, the scuttlebutt that I hear from time-to-time, about what is happening at the high levels, leads me to believe that somebody like me is a nuisance or curiosity at most, so I do not lay awake at night, wondering if they are coming for me. As I have stated, I have no illusions about sneaking up on them. I am mounting this effort very much in the open, so they know “I am coming,” so to speak, but they do not seem to feel threatened by lambs. Could a stampede of lambs trample Godzilla? I doubt it. If there ever is a confrontation with Godzilla, I wrote long ago about how I hoped it played out:

http://www.serendipity.li/fe/minefields.htm

I really try to imagine the end game of having heaven on Earth more than I do the strategic nature of what I may be doing. I think it is far more important to imagine what a world of abundance looks like:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

than thinking much about Godzilla, although I certainly do not deny his magnificence (“Oh my, what big teeth you have!” :) ).

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Wade,

After reading this last bit I'm having second thoughts about creating a thread. Unless it is one that maintains a focus on what is the conundrum of the scarcity paradigm and the genuine task ahead for enough people to overcome this ingrained mindset, more harm than good may be the result. That is the last thing I want so will sit on it a bit more while I wait to hear from my partner of like mind willing to help with the thread.

Great reading of late and totally blown away also with the simplicity of your and Brian O's proposal to the Government for funding $1.00 and travel expenses re:FE education awareness workshops. Too bad that couldn't have been plastered all over the front page of the news everywhere and of course the Non-response as well. Would have added a new dynamic to waking up a few more people up to the ongoing suppression of FE.:)

The more I hang around the greater I appreciate the mountain to climb, between the suppression, the dumb down public at large and the historical indoctrination of the scarcity paradigm to overcome once one is awake. Guess I better stock up on my hiking boots:)

[David Hughes]

Wade,

Do you ever bring up the subject of free energy with your corporate colleagues? If so, how do they respond to you? How many level 12's do you estimate that you know personally? I've been trying my hardest to convince as many level 0's as i can about the reality of FE but of the hundreds of people that i've brought the subject up with, only 1 guy gets it in any kind of way. I estimate that it has to be somewhere in the region of 1 in a 1000 people that are even remotely receptive to even the idea of FE.

I've heard you mention the figure of a thousand like minds imagining/singing/meditating on the FE chorus in harmony, and that is worth a shot. 1000 may seem like a tiny number in relation to the amount of people on the planet, but i've personally experienced the power that my own mind has (and i know you and many others on this forum have too), and the power of ones consciousness is not to be underestimated - especially if we are all tuned into to the same heart centered frequency.

One more question that you may know the answer to. I've heard a few times now from OPEC and what have you, that known oil reserves are due to run dry in the next 20 years. Is there any credibility to these estimates?

Cheers

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Tyler,

I dont know about the Oil but I can tell you about my corporate ex-colleagues. They don't take kindly to it! FE is a direct threat to their way of life. They don't want to hear it. "If what you say would be true then I would have wasted my life working here and building this career for me! I cannot and I will not accept this!".

Perhaps a more passive approach will work better :)? Let them ask you first? For example when you get into a discussion about worlds issues you could say: "Don't you think that all this boils down to an energy scarcity issue?" And then see how far they will let you argument your position ;).. It's not "all about the money"... it's all about "the energy!"

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

On the DOE proposal, that was Brian’s idea:

http://www.brianoleary.info/Impacts.html

I would not have approached the DOE (Brian admits that he probably has a co-dependent relationship with the USA’s government), and their response (“You applied to the wrong program, and we do not have one for you”), was not surprising. I wrote the “Big Picture” part of it, as well as most of the “Further Obstacles” part. I carried Brian’s spears on that one, because that is what I do, but I wondered if we were going to make much headway if we got the OK to do it, because Brian’s proposal was making an assumption that the participants were going to be beyond Level 3, or at least pretend that they were:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

when I have hardly ever met anybody from the public that got past those early levels of denial. If that hurdle could somehow be crossed, doing it for free is more of how we play the game. Chasing money is beginner’s flypaper.

I hear you on starting a thread, but I am willing to let you try the experiment. Yes, what tends to happen is that newbies go haring off in all directions. That is partly because they do not have a comprehensive perspective and get caught up in all manner of distraction. Or, they want the quick and easy answer to the FE conundrum, and begin sprinting straight at the many pitfalls that await the unwary:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

Oh, how many, many times I have watched that happen, and I don’t want to watch anymore. So, while that often becomes the outcome, I also do not want to be the dictator of how this effort goes. I am only one guy with a perspective that has certainly been colored by my journey. Fresh eyes and minds can be very helpful. As Brian said, the field needs fresh blood:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#new

and I agree. Few in the field today have the right stuff. It is generally dominated by inventors and their supporters, with each inventor vying to be the one, true FE hero. You get a bunch of FE inventors in a room, and they all vie to be the Alpha Wolf:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#alpha

I have long said that the only prayer that the inventor’s route has in today’s environment is for the inventor with the goods to give it to a worthy group. I have never met the inventor willing to give it away (although some fellow travelers say they have), and I have never heard of that worthy group. The open source movement for FE understands part of the picture, but a bunch of garage tinkerers I highly doubt are going to get it done. One of the bigger players in that regard is buddies with Mr. Skeptic:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

which shows how far we have to go. There are other valid perspectives on the FE conundrum, and I have no monopoly on them. It is possible that somebody pursuing the “inventor’s rights” path can somehow do it and succeed, but I highly doubt it. The mere fact that the inventor is seeking personal gain pretty much takes him out of the running. That is probably the easiest strategy to defeat. Heck, most would-be FE inventors never tap the ZPF in the first place, but think they did. If they really get that far, seizure of their gizmos by using national security laws is just one way to derail them. Somebody seeking personal gain is extremely vulnerable to the carrots and sticks, and if an inventor like that is lucky, he will get the Golden Handcuffs. Usually, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre effect makes its appearance early on, and nobody survives the self-inflicted bloodbath, or the local energy interests wipe them out, and Godzilla never has to roll out of bed. If the inventor and his crew prove to be a tough nut, then the sledgehammer gets used to crack that nut, and no nut has ever gone uncracked in this field, if they wanted it cracked.

Almost every newbie is in denial of the pitfalls, thinking that they are quick, strong and nimble enough to dance past them. Then, if they survive the first hole that they fall into, they become paranoid and quickly get stuck in Level 8 and will remain there:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level8

I am trying to keep newbies from the meat grinder, but some just have to go poke the beehive. I respect learning from direct experience, but I only pray that they ease into their quest and don’t immediately try scaling the ramparts, but stand back for a few minutes and watch some other fools try, first. They can get sobered up pretty quickly by watching others go at it. Partly why I am here is so that others can learn some of these lessons without having to learn them all the hard way. Many pitfalls are crippling or fatal.

Yes, Sandy, this is a long, long slog. I will say this, however: I have never been bored during my journey. If I lived to be 150, I would barely make a dent in my Bucket List, and my Bucket List certainly does not look like the average person’s. Learning about how the world really works can be an agonizing process, but it can also be liberating. I am a learning junkie, and the many facets of the FE conundrum can be explored for lifetimes. Understanding how the human journey led us to this juncture can also be a fascinating study.

For the past several years, I have been digesting the latest findings (at least in the “White Science” world) in anthropology (in both the cultural and physical branches), geophysics, molecular biology and biochemistry, energy-and-humanity studies, and so forth. Some have been specialist efforts, but most have been multi-disciplinary and generalist works, usually written by popularizers. Einstein grew up reading popularized science (but efforts like Carl Sagan’s are another matter (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#sagan )), and my readers will generally not need to dive into the specialist literature in order to glimpse the big picture regarding energy and the human journey and the story of life on Earth. It is necessary to at least be familiar with how specialists operate; their work becomes the raw material that the generalists work from, as those specialists pursue “normal science.”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#introduction

But the generalist perspective sees the big picture (or at least thinks it does :) ). Once the generalist lenses are donned, people are far less likely to be distracted, and there are a million distractions on the FE path, such as conspiracism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

all the alternative energy “solutions” that are anything but, such as biofuels, air cars, hydrogen power, and the usual suspects of alternative energy (wind, tides, direct solar radiation, and so on), half-cocked efforts to scale the ramparts, chasing after the rich and powerful, etc.

My work will always be rooted in my experiences, or the experiences of those close to me. That is probably the most important contribution that I can make. Almost nobody is doing this. Those still active are too busy trying to scale the ramparts (Dennis, Greer, Brian), and those few who survived their adventures with their sanity intact are old or dead or far too wounded to engage the public. Many who have never really been on the battlefield are holding forth on their perspective, but I see a lot of them playing boy-general. Those perspectives are usually of very limited worth.

What I am here to do, many will not be interested in, and they are voluntarily removing themselves from the conversation, and that is fine. While I have been called a fisher of men, I am not casting my net widely, gathering in whatever gets snagged. I seek a very particular sort of person, and I am also not looking for heroes.

We will see if this ends up bearing any fruit. It may not, not in a world-changing way, but I had to try it out.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Tyler:

Great questions. As far as I know, I am unique in the FE field as somebody who came from the corporate ranks to play FE revolutionary, and who moved back-and-forth between both worlds. I am a respected technical professional, but I am also very careful about whom I talk to regarding my FE days. When I do, it is usually when colleagues are on their way out, and it seems like they can handle it. The reason why I do that is to let them know the good news: FE is here, and it may go public before long, and our world can change immensely for the better. But, for twenty years, after my first stint with Dennis, I never told my superiors about my adventures, out of caution.

However, less than two years ago, I screwed up my courage and sat my CFO down and told him about my background, because I had just finished helping clean up a $30 million disaster that I could have prevented if my radicalized perspective was allowed to poke into the area before it went to hell. So, I only piped up because my experience could be useful to the corporate cause. I was very well received, and my CFO’s initial reaction to hearing some of it was what the high-level corporate players know well: most retail technological innovation is stolen from some hapless inventor, if it is not suppressed outright. People playing at the high levels of corporate America, especially in leading-edge industries like high tech, know how capitalism works, so my story is not all that surprising. And what really helps me on that front is that I am not talking about some crazy idea that I saw on You Tube or some book or site about “conspiracy theories,” but I am talking as somebody who survived the wars that take place out of the public eye. Not everybody buys my story outright, but because they have seen me in action for years, they rarely dismiss me. I have seen newbies to this field, who had corporate gigs, try to spread the gospel in their office, and I warned them not to. I have watched careers end by people who ignored my warnings.

I have found myself in the happy position where some around me at my workplace know some of my background, and it has not jeopardized my career. In fact, I keep my boss informed of my FE activities, including all the interviews that I am doing now. As long as it does not interfere with my work life, they are fine with it. I am still finding a balance for my work and personal life with this new activity. It is not an easy balancing act, and writing that essay is part of what has had to give. I really need to slow down in this forum until I get that essay written, but it is not proving easy to do (I need better self-discipline! :) ).

But, and here is where we once again need to cue up some Twilight Zone music, just yesterday I was asked to watch a couple of hours of training videos for an initiative at my company, but within the first minute, I turned it off and told my boss that I could not watch it. He heard about my background when we were peers, and he is not in denial. He understood my problem with watching the video and I was excused. The videos were of some “alternative energy” entrepreneur teaching a class on bringing new ideas and technology into the corporate arsenal. Oh god, I have seen way too much of that stuff, and it was going to ruin my day to watch it. It is like I was a Jew who lived in Poland in World War II,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#toward

and he was a Jew who lived in Hollywood during World War II. Not only were our experiences starkly different, he never even heard of what the Jews experienced in Poland, except for some rumors that he quickly dismissed as a conspiracy theory (the few Jews who escaped concentration camps in WWII were treated exactly like that by the West, at least until the camps were opened when the war was over). Capitalism and the FE field do not mix, not in today’s environment.

On the receptive “man on the street,” yes, the number is around one in a thousand. I used to be more optimistic and think that maybe one in a hundred would at least be able to consider FE, but the long years have ruefully proven to me that it is more like one in a thousand. The rest react with denial and ridicule, even to somebody like me, even groups that you would think might be receptive, like environmentalists and other “progressives.” Even people who know me do not really want to understand the FE conundrum that much, and are probably mostly Level 8s, but a fair number also figured that I am crazy. Many friendships and family relationships ended or were damaged beyond repair because of my journey, but on the other hand, I have pals in this field who are closer than family, too. All-in-all, I cannot complain too much, not for the epochal journey that I have been on.

On Peak Oil, that is a long, long story. I had to study the Peak Oilers long ago, and I write about some of it here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm

I keep poking my nose into it, and the evidence is very strong that the hydrocarbon deposits that have been mined during the Industrial Revolution (coal, oil, gas) are biogenic, meaning that they came from life forms (the carbon isotope enrichment is particularly strong evidence, for instance). We may have already hit Peak Oil, and the end is near for the Hydrocarbon Age. Even if Peak Oil did not do it, the energy wars in Asia are species-threatening, and that is putting aside all the pollution aspects. The rising carbon dioxide levels due to burning hydrocarbons is readily measureable, and those who claim that carbon-dioxide-induced global warming is a hoax are virtually all non-scientists who have been swept up into conspiracism and other pitfalls. No doubt, Global Warming has become a huge political football, but that does not mean that the phenomenon is not real. The carbon dioxide and oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere have fluctuated widely over Earth’s history, and all paleo-climate scientists accept, based on a great deal of interlinking evidence, that the levels of carbon dioxide and oxygen in the atmosphere have had deeply profound effects on not only the biosphere, but Earth’s surface, from temperature changes to anoxic oceans to iron deposits to their effect on how the elements have been recycled via tectonic dynamics. I will cover some of that territory in my upcoming essay.

Ilie’s experience with his colleagues is typical. Almost everybody focuses on the financial economy and ignores the real one. That is largely because the financial economy is the egocentric one, and money is all about “what’s in it for me?” The real economy is a different animal, and it takes a scientific background to understand a lot of it. For all of the downsides of the perspective of the neo-Malthusian Peak Oilers, they readily understand that the financial economy is not real, but an elaborate illusion that allegedly has some correspondence to the real one. In theory, it does, but the world capitalist economy has degenerated into rigging the scoreboard, not playing on the field of the real economy. One key goal of my upcoming essay is to help readers see that. The financial economy and money is a big illusion, and focusing on that as somehow related to solving our problems is a big waste of time, as far as I have seen. People focusing on the financial economy for solutions are like those focusing on biofuels and windmills for solving our energy problems. I am aiming a lot higher than that.

OK, time to go to work.

Best,

Wade

P.S.

Tyler, as far as Level 12s who may be willing and able to pool their awareness, I am not sure if I know a dozen, and a dozen who are really there and did not hear about the idea from this thread. There may be a few more that have contributed on this thread, but it seems to be just a few. That is OK. That is more than I have ever found with any other public effort. My upcoming essay is intended to help grow a lot more of them, but we will see.

[sandy]

Dear Wade,

Well I too love to learn, because I'm so darn curious about how we have become the civilization of today. Thus I read and research most area's on the evolution of humankind. What I notice more and more is the easing up in the anthropology field as to human's origins and thus many more articles, books, and discoveries we are hearing about especially in this last year. I also like the quantum physics field although I think I grasp the concepts from a "knowing" versus a real intellectual understanding>>>>>>>>>however never thought in my wildest dreams as once a drop from school (returned many years later) that I would ever be interested in science:)

I too believe I'm a generalist as have always been able to see the big picture. I think it comes from my insecure childhood and having to know where the pitfalls are so I can prevent the penny from dropping if possible or at least know where and when it might drop. I don't really get into the role of a specialist until I have a vision I want to create, ie. writing a training program for a certain target audience>>>then I really delve into the world of the target audience and all its dynamics. This helps me to formulate the material and learning goals according to the participants learning styles and needs. Most of the programs I have written were all experiential, as once you can get a feel for something new it becomes a reality and the possibilities become tangible.

I see more and more talk about FE on the net and the 5 sites I visit daily but nothing about the reasons for the suppression that gives others the understanding that it starts with their very own mindset, beliefs, and behaviors. That is why I believe in your writings as they are the basics and the foundations for others including myself to start the learning curve about FE.

So will you stop reading this and get back to work as the canaries are starting to sing and want to fly:)

[Wade Frazier]

Well, Sandy, I just finished the busiest part of my "normal" year last week, a pretty painful period that began back in late November, so I am taking a little breather and am reading these posts and responding quickly. That may come to an end soon. I will be on the road at times during the next couple of weeks, so I may not be very active here.

The dynamic you see in FE discussions is an old one. Usually, FE talk is a debate about FE physics, which aspirant has it or not, promoting all the avenues to FE that have so far proven futile, and the more worldly discuss the organized suppression, but rarely from a productive viewpoint. The current system does not encourage anybody to take responsibility for anything, but encourages us all to play the victim or be taken care of by those that we gave our responsibility to. Encouraging each of us to acknowledge our role in the state of affairs is almost never done, anytime or anywhere, for any situation. The energy situation is the central one that humanity faces, wittingly or not, so those dynamics get amped up a thousand times when the subject becomes FE. In no other area that I know of are people offered huge money to simply go away, before the Big Boys start playing rough. The GCs fully grasp the situation's importance, but maintaining the situation requires a sleeping humanity, or if they begin to awaken, they should never take responsibility for it and should just spectate. If you look at layers 0 to 11:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

are any of them rooted in an understanding of being responsible for this situation, and oriented toward a creator-oriented (as contrasted with victim-oriented) pursuit of a solution? Arguments might be made for some of them, but really, which of those encourages us all to take a good, long look in the mirror and own what is happening? More than anything else, that is the root of the conundrum. Until enough people have the courage to look inside and find out what they are made of, and how they contribute to this situation, it will continue.

Leaving school and then learning later is pretty normal. Schooling and learning are distant cousins and often enemies. :) Generalist thinking seems to be making a comeback, slowly. As Carmody said, the old-school generalists were called "Renaissance men." The Renaissance was a while ago. :) The rise of science was also the rise of the specialist, and that was not an entirely "natural" process, but encouraged by the power-and-control interests, to help keep scientists, in Bucky's words, slaves:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#slave

They are house slaves, but still slaves.

OK, I'll try to get back at it, essay-wise. At some stage, I have to stop the reading and write instead, but when you see the essay, the reasons for my dilatory behavior may become evident.

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hello :)

The main impulse that prompted me to join forum was to try to help in finding solution to the FE conundrum described by Wade. I consider myself level 12 in "Frazier scale" ;) No pun intended :) I can easily imagine world at this level and I can partly imagine how it would be at level 19 and beyond :)

I wanted to ask all of You if You have any awareness of the work of Joseph Chilton Pearce (author of "Crack In The Cosmic Egg", "Magical Child" and few others). Mr Pearce precisely describes workings of our western world view and points ways out of it. He is aware of the scarcity-addiction of our civilization. He can imagine abundance. IMHO Pearce is level 12. And can see above past level 19. He cites in his book "Crack In The Cosmic Egg" statement made by renowned quantum physicist, David Bohm, that one cubic centimeter of supposedly empty space is filled with energy sufficient to satisfy our planet needs for century. He dares to make a statement that relationships of our mind to our environment is two-way and open ended. He gives many stunning examples in his books to support his words. His attitude to universe is holistic. He also gives references to some mainstream scientific research. His books are "mainstream". Although not so popular I think.

He focuses on children as the ultimate solution to our current problems. And describes how (mal)treating of our children has led to our present world situation. By describing this processes he gives precise instructions how to be magical parent and rise magical child. And thru the child change the future. He is a father of 5 children. And I think he must know what he is speaking about. He says something like this: "...the three years old is not incomplete five years old child. It is perfect three years old. But if she can not become perfect three years old that five years old child will become incomplete..." Our present problems in "adult world" arise from the problems in "childish world". But it is same world.

My first daughter - she is six now - was born when I was still not fully awaken. And when I was reading "Magical Child" I saw how many errors I have made in regard to my child. I had forgiven to myself and to my parents. And now I want to stop wailing and walking in circles. I want to switch from "victim-mode" to "creator-mode" and to make real progress in finding solutions. I know that nobody cane solve my problems but me. And I do not want to bitch about my problems anymore. I want
to solve my problems. First by awakening myself and then by supplying my children with safe environment that will let them learn to help themselves and stay awaken for the rest of their life :)

This morning I had conversation with my mother. She asked me that while she is in our home, I not let my two years old daughter climbing on a kitchen table. I asked her why. And she replied that she is afraid of the girl falling dawn from the table and she can not handle that fear. I've said that I am there to watch my daughter and catch her if necessary. But she said that it is not enough. After I left my home and for work it come to me that my mother was not afraid of falling dawn in the first
place. Her fear was from the unknown, from the unpredictable. That she not believed that she would be capable to handle that unknown sudden situation of the girl falling down. She was raised that way herself. I was not angry with her. I was sorry for her. And this is exactly what Pearce points out in his book "Magical Child" when he addresses rising children in fear to make easier for parents to "manage" their
children. And to prevent them from little injuries at almost any cost by scarring them at every step. To train them to survive in that hostile world out there. This fear robs our children of their inborn power to take responsibility for themselves. This fear takes away power to directly control their environment and this fear prevents children to be accustomed they are fully capable to handle unknown situations. This
fear from the beginning is vicious circle or rather deadly spiral driving scarcity-based attitude. We have to stop this vicious spiral from spinning any further. And I dare to say that You all know this fear is imagination of the prison of mind. I encourage everyone not planning on becoming parent and all who plan and all who already are parents to give Your heart a chance and read "Magical Child". It is never too late :)

Pearce is also advisor to non-profit organization Touch The Future (http://ttfuture.org/). It is dedicated
to rising awareness of parents, educators and adults in general of the real needs of our children and to stop messing with Nature's plan for unfolding unlimited potential of the human being. Parents and educators are listening and are interested in Pearce ideas. I think You should know that more and more people are awakening and are readying to sing the abundance song :)

And what You ask You get. If You think of present doom and gloom You get more of it ("victim-mode"). If You think of bright future You will also get it. But they are mutually exclusive... It is sufficient to just pray for that what You want for common good. We are not alone. Our Divine Source is always within us - ready to help us helping ourselves. We are not helpless if we just believe it is possible and if we
ask it happen. We need to stop fearing that there is so many people to awake. Believe that they can awake as we have awaken and they will too. I pray for this everyday. It really does not matter how and when. We are all connected on quantum level and awakening process is like "chain reaction" :)

I "discovered" J.C.Pearce existence while reading WingMakers material. I had heard of them ten years ago but somehow I was not interested in them then. But I remember waves they had made in mainstream media. I have became curious two years ago when I heave read interview with James of WingMakers on Project Camelot
web site. It is from the WingMakers material also that I have learned of The Book Of Urantia. Before WingMakers there were three books by George Green: Handbook for the New Paradigm, Becoming and Rainbow. My eyes suddenly opened and my life changed for better forever :) And I stopped "to watch TV" then. I can not imagine how I could wasted so many time watching "news" ;) However I need to deprogram my older daughter from watching too many cartoons. She defends it furiously. I hope it is a matter of helping her find some "creative hobby" for herself :) But this TV-thing is hard to beat... And before those three books I remember I asked in my thoughts if I will ever see under the fabric of the "reality". You know, to look behind the scene of media propaganda. Ask and You will be given :).

Wade I do not negate that energy is driving everything. It is. But abundance of it will not change our hearts instantly. You know that and that is why You call it "FE conundrum". But I think that our hearts can be changed without FE in markets. It seems to be easier for sure. But easy path always leads down. I mean this days ;)

I think we can convince people of the theoretical existence of FE. Here is my reasoning. If something is theoretical and not contradicting "mainstream" physics it is for sure possible to find way to make it practical. And maybe it will not be necessary to carry FE device with You from door to door to "upgrade" people to level 4.

I thought about some anecdote we could use in conversations to help people start thinking that what they think is unthinkable is actually theoretically possible. Let us consider Einstein's formula for calculating "theoretical limit" of energy equivalent
in any given amount of mass. E = mc^2. Einstein is regarded an authority among many people. His space-time warp effect was recently confirmed by NASA's space ship Probe-B. Out of curiosity I tried to calculate how many litres of water it would
take to have equivalent of energy equal to world energy consumption in one year. It took less than 6 cubic meters in 2008 :)

Here is how I arrived at my result:
1) I looked up value of "E" from the formula. World energy consumption. It turns up that in 2008 we humans wasted 132 000 TWh of energy. We need to convert it to "Joule" (J) unit to use it in Einstein's formula. This is 474*10^18 J.
(source: Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_consumption)
2) Looked up value of "c" from formula. Speed of light - 299 792 458 (m / s). And squared it. This gives us 89 875 517 873 681 764 (m^2/s^2).
(source: Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light)
3) Finally made a division E / (c^2) and got mass equivalent of 5273.96 kg. Joule is expressed as: kg / (m^2/s^2). And when we erase (m^2/s^2) from c and (m^2/s^2) from E the kg is left. This mass can be anything. So I decided let it be water. We can easily imagine water. We have plenty of it on our blue marble :)
4) One 1000 kg of pure water is equal to 1 cubic meter. It is cube made of six 1 meter by 1 meter squares. The mass from point (3) is equivalent to 5.27396 cubic meters. Less than 6 :) It is 1393.23284 US gallons.
(source uncle Google: http://www.google.pl/search?q=5.27396+cubic+meters+to+gallons&rls=com.microsoft:pl&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1)
This Einstein-water effect is one of the thousands anecdotes we can think off to start people thinking in direction to the exit of scarcity mind set.

For comparison if You wash Your car in USA 1 time every week of the year you consume 41 cubic meters of water per year. So You waste theoretical one year world energy in 2 months (8 weeks)!
(source waterfootprint.org - http://www.waterfootprint.org/index.php?page=cal/WaterFootprintCalculator#result)

If you can make iron rust and aluminum burn thru concrete wall easily (think of thermite) by making fine powder instead of large chunks, maybe You can easily burn water if You only know what is the optimal procedure for preparing the ingredients? Actually you should not try to extinguish thermite with water. Unless you want water to decompose and supply some more oxygen for burning ;)
(source of course aunt Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite)

You do not have to talk about GC and ZPE. You can talk about Einstein and water ;) Let us try to make people think on what they already know. Let us try to convince them that since scientists are considered open minded it is probably that those scientists have not yet arrived at proper arrangement of ingredients to extract that world's energy from 6 cubic meters of water. But they sure finally will. We can start using such anecdotes while talking with children. With our families. And with other people. And let us pray they will get inspired by us.

Just wanted to cheer everyone up :) We have already won :)

Best Wishes
Robert J. Niewiadomski

PS.
DANGER!!! Thermite is extremely flammable. It can self ignite in presence of pure oxygen or if its grains are too fine! Beside I think it is "illegal" to make it or posses it privately. I hope this "t" word is kids play compared to things discussed on Avalon :) I mean I hope it is below echelon threshold set for this web site ;) I hope I have not blew it with my post...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Scott just published something on his site:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/News/nuclear-catastrophe.html

that could be considered a kind of companion piece to my interviews on Spectrum:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#g/c/BACC03E294B890CD

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html

I mentioned one of the paper’s authors, Andrew Michrowski, when discussing Brown’s Gas in the second interview. The vacuum energy that they discussed powered the technology that my pal saw in that underground setting:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

Devices like Sparky Sweet’s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sweet

were also tapping into the Zero Point Field. For me, with fallout from Japan wafting down on me as I write this, it is bizarre and emotionally challenging, to put it mildly, to know what exists and to be aware of the awesome damage being wrought on humanity and the planet by our dirty and unsustainable energy practices.

That latest “revelation” from Britain, that the invasion of Iraq had everything to do with the oil there:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html

was one of the many “gee, what a big surprise” moments of that continuing nightmare.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#invading

The death toll of our recent imperial ventures, primarily rooted in securing hydrocarbon energy, is credibly estimated at eight million people:

http://www.countercurrents.org/polya071007.htm

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1199/32

For the Land of the Free, we are reaching Hitlerian death levels. Impressive. For two years running, we have had wide-reaching catastrophes due to how we get our energy (Gulf BP spill, and now Japan’s nuclear nightmare – part of Japan, and maybe a big part, is going to be uninhabitable because of that disaster). I wonder, more than idly, how many more of these we have to have before we begin waking up to solutions, instead of the “more of the same” drumbeat that is becoming a deafening crescendo.

In the past two months, I have never seen more pro-nuclear propaganda, and or so many “progressives” saying that for whatever happens in Japan, we need nuclear power, so there is no practical alternative to building more nukes, just “safer” ones.

With some of my pals at my office knowing a little bit about my background, on the day of the disaster, I was asked what the “fallout” might be. My reply was that while we would probably not have to worry about airborne fallout too much (that remains to be seen), the North Pacific food chain might be affected to the extent where people might not want to eat any of that famous Pacific salmon that is so popular in Seattle. That may yet become true.

An amazing aspect of both the Gulf and Japan catastrophes is that in both instances, private corporations were responsible for the events, and the affected governments pretty much just let the corporations control the information, and only after the magnitude of the event began becoming evident, did information begin leaking out, kind of dribbled out in a limited hangout fashion. The public was pretty much kept in the dark. Today, Fukushima has largely disappeared from the USA’s mainstream media. While they can sure use an editor, I go to Rense.com nearly every day:

http://www.rense.com/

to find out about what is happening in Japan. Otherwise, I would never hear about it. Here is some mention of the silence that has descended on the scene in the West.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vivian-norris-de-montaigu/deadly-silence-on-fukushi_b_859241.html

In both events, there was obviously a great deal being covered up, even to the casual observer, but there has been no clamor for greater transparency. At this rate, the next catastrophe will see more corporate cover-ups abetted by the local and national governments that are entirely captured by those corporate interests.

Back to working on that essay…

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Robert, and welcome.

This is another instance of that Avalon synchronicity. I knew that you were trying to join Avalon, and your post was made as I was writing the previous post, and did not see yours until I had posted mine. You will see a few clear connections with your post. :)

I have some posts on this thread about children being our future, and how the “system” gets ahold of them and beats out the abilities that they come in with. In the Michael material:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

that beating is called “scathing,” where the “roughing up” process is part of the price of admission to physical reality. When I read stuff like that, it makes me want to give the “author of the feast” a piece of my mind.

I am not familiar with Pearce’s work, but in taking a peek at some links, like this interview:

http://www.appliedmeditation.org/The_Heart/articles_joseph_chilton_pearce.shtml

he covers very familiar territory, obviously. IMO, Pearce is a light worker. Thanks for introducing me to his work.

If I had to guess, you seem to be from Eastern Europe. Can you get ahold of an English word processor? I have been using Microsoft Word for many years, and do not keep up much on its few competitors, but Google has a free word processor. I can read your post, but some Avalon members may have a little difficulty. The better word processors will have spelling and grammar checks, so that your posts are more readily readable in English. I am sorry that this conversation is taking place in English, but it is my mother tongue, I am horrible at other languages, and universal translators have yet to really make their appearance.

Best,

Wade

[Butangeld]

I have been trying to imagine a way in which we might begin to make a 'vow of abundance', as you say, real. Here is a suggestion of a way in which we can in some way think in abundance individually. I want to explain why I think that questions themselves are a kind of scarcity.

It is a waste of time and energy trying to change someone's belief toward your own. Belief precedes knowledge and a-priori knowledge is really to know nothing at all. Changing one's belief is a private affair and is a manifestation of free-will. And it is my belief that if everyone were to make their own beliefs and not just have them fitted by someone else we would be living in a better world.

If belief is the fuel then questions are the engine with logic the design. I spent 3 years studying one philosopher after another, talking them up and then cutting them down using questions and logic. If you could find their underlying belief that set them off in the first place, you could make a question that burnt the belief. The underlying assumption though, is that things that are true are unchanging, absolute and immutable (take your pick). That the truth exists to be discovered and exists objectively outside of our control.

If however, we assume that we are each a part of the ongoing creation of our time and space, then in our reality the truth is not necessarily fixed and unchanging. We make truth. Questions are by their nature a form of scarcity. This is so, because if a question could illicit an infinite number of valid responses then it is no longer a question. If the answer to a question could be wibble then the question has failed to be specific enough to find a comprehensible answer.

I must admit to having been fixated by the linguistic mechanism known as the question for about 15 years. I spend a good deal of time day-dreaming and have written much of this stuff down in the hope of making something of it one day. It was doing a philosophy degree that led me to this line of thought.

I have concluded after all this time that questions are mostly inappropriate for our purposes in daily affairs and matters of the imagination and thinking in general. They limit the number of available answers, and so the 'truth'. They have to limit the answers or it is less a question and more an assertion. Questions can often tell you more about the ones asking the questions than can the answers from those getting questions. I imagine a world while day-dreaming sometimes, where 3 fundamental differences are present:

when you dream you visit the mind and reality of another individual
no-one really believes in death as an absolute end, but commonly see it as the start of a journey
and finally, a world where our languages lack any form of questions, both structurally and grammatically


I have tried the 3rd one and can confirm that it is possible to conduct all types of thought and communication without using any questions. It is both strange and fun. If there is information you require and would normally use a question to get that information, like something as simple as asking the time, then you firstly assert what you think the information is and if you have no idea then make it up, and then most likely you will get better information, such as the right time from someone with a watch.

The time must be 5 o'clock
- no, the time is 4:30

Asserting made up facts is one way to illicit a knowledgeable response without using questions. Another way could be negation.

"There are no bases on the dark side of the moon"
"Actually, according to me, there are and if you'd spare me 5 minutes I'd tell you why..."

I'd spare the conditional, since this is not really a question, but more of an ability to select a path.

Anyhow, there it is. I fear you all think I may be mad.

I am very interested in what you are doing Wade and wanted to share my thoughts on what a world with abundance as a primary concept would look like. If I have not laid out my thoughts clearly enough then perhaps I will try again.

:)

[Butangeld]

Robert J. Niewiadomski,
I resonate with what you are saying and must check out Crack In The Cosmic Egg soon.

When you said that:

This morning I had conversation with my mother. She asked me that while she is in our home, I not let my two years old daughter climbing on a kitchen
table. I asked her why. And she replied that she is afraid of the girl falling dawn from the table and she can not handle that fear.
I thought of all the questions running through your mother's mind that amplified her fears.

Will she fall off the edge? Might she slip? Could the table topple?

Without questions she may have thought 'I can see there are dangers here', 'I have capability', 'I am ready to respond to those dangers'.

Questions often hide, or I should say reveal, fears. Whether voiced or not.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Butangeld:

Thanks for your interest. Those are big subjects that you broach, and I will not be able to do them justice right now, but I will give a short reply.

I read, a few years ago, a channel describing philosophy as the love of wisdom. I'll buy that. I have interacted with some who are considered philosophical giants, such as Noam Chomsky, and was mentored by two world-class creative geniuses. The cerebral aspects have their place in the FE mix, and richly so. However, I have noticed that unless the heart was in charge, what came from the most brilliant minds could be of dubious worth. Also, the positive pole of a scholar, a la Michael:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

is knowledge and the negative pole is theory. Knowledge is gained from experience. Countless times, I have witnessed newcomers to the FE conundrum chime in with what they think is a helpful perspective. Virtually none of them have been based on actual experiences in the FE trenches, and you really can't get that experience anyplace else. In no other field are people offered a billion dollars to go away:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

before the boom gets lowered on them. The people probably closest to understanding are those who have tried developing and marketing disruptive technologies. Outside of Dennis, I have never really met anybody else who has, especially playing at his level. I am not interested in the businessman's route to FE anymore, but I learned one heck of a lot along the way.

I am going to present an analogy, and I do not necessarily like making it, but it comes to mind. There are plenty of war historians and scholars, but the writers of warfare that I really respect are those who have been there, such as Fussell:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#fussell

Sledge:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#sledge

and Zinn:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#ryan

People can study warfare for their entire lifetimes, but all that study can be meaningless when compared to ten minutes on an active battlefield.

I could be further reinforcing the scarcity paradigm by making myself available for "questions." I get that. :) If I ask a question of you, it can imply that you have the knowledge and I don't, which is a scarcity concept and perhaps partly what you are driving at. I have found in the West that what people think they know are often just beliefs, which are usually lies that they were told,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#paradigms

which is a close cousin to what is called "faith." I am not into "faith" as it is popularly defined, and there was a "faith" exchange early in this thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=104345&highlight=gnosis#post104345

I am into the knowledge that comes from experience. I believe that you are stating something very similar in your post. That world that you daydream about would fit nicely into this one,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

and there are some obvious similarities.

I believe that you are stating something along the intentions of my efforts; until people can sing their own song of abundance, an effort like this will not get very far. But I am also aiming for a particular octave, and I do not expect many to immediately begin hitting the notes. I doubt that I can really teach anybody anything, but can only inspire them to seek their own experiences and the development of their perspective.

When I really get something going, we will see if it aligns with something that you are interested in.

In a couple of weeks, I will do another "centering" post, like this one:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=113469&highlight=centered#post113469

And yes, Ilie, another "visions" post will be coming, too. :)

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Wade,

I know you are busy so I did not bother you with "vision post" requests :). I am waiting with high interest your new essay.

Meanwhile I just finished Fuller's Grunch of Giants. That was tough to read... long phrases and long hyphenated words :).

I am now trying to determine what is next on the "developing a comprehensive perspective" curriculum: http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing

[Wade Frazier]

Ilie! I expect nothing less than for you to do something like read Grunch of Giants. :)

What made that short work relevant to my writings was that it was about the first time that Fuller gave a nod to the global elite's machinations and the wonders of global capitalism. Bucky did it just before he died. Steve Meyers said that Bucky did it because he was in his twilight years and could not be penalized too heavily for making his observations (that was almost a deathbed perspective, when he just let it rip with his truth). On the kind of machinations that Bucky described in Grunch, others have done it in far greater breadth and depth. The rad lefties are particularly good at that.

Grunch was not so much a part of that curriculum that Bucky developed, but was more of an aspect of Bucky's perspective that he was silent on until his later years. In his Utopia or Oblivion, Bucky outlined the subjects that a good comprehensive thinking curriculum might have. I have heard of schools modeled after his vision. His curriculum can probably be found on the Internet someplace. It is a pretty rigorous curriculum, the kind that would take many years to complete. But even then, it is just school. The big learning happens after we graduate and try out our bright ideas in the real world. :)

Ah, that essay… I have been here before, in the creative mode, drawing the many seemingly disparate subjects into something resembling a comprehensive whole. When I am in this mode, especially grappling with the material, it is mentally unsettling. Often, I simply ingest as much diverse information as possible and let it gestate for a while. Eventually, the connections are made, comprehension dawns, and it settles into something like multi-disciplinary order. But it is quite a struggle to hit all my goals, not overreach, not water it down, and provide something that can help enlighten and inspire, while also dealing with our world's stark realities.

Writing my site put me through an emotional wringer many times. This essay, however, should not be an emotionally harrowing experience to write or read. It will deal at length with my first love, science, but that is also what is daunting about it. Digesting the findings of such diverse disciplines, and making anything useful from it, is something that I wish I had ten years to do, full time. I do not get the luxury, and I have recently been wrestling with the boundaries that I will need to erect. There are a million rabbit holes to disappear into, and most of them are inviting ones that I could spend years and years exploring. But there is only so much available time in a lifetime, and I have already used up a great deal of it.

As I get along on the essay, I am realizing that in some ways I can only sketch the picture, and others will have to fill in the details. The devil is in the details, but what I hope that my readers walk away with are some big, challenging and inspiring ideas. Heaven on Earth is not that far away, not if enough of us can simply imagine it.

Oh well, back to the grindstone.

Best,

Wade

[golden wonder]

Hi Wade,
with all due respect you make so much reference to history.
In looking at our history we become stuck in the past, basing all our future decisions on the viewpoints of the dead and their peers.
I like the last post. It is a way of moving forward with our current times and alleviating the layman from his turmoil gained from his dictated educational and parental understandings of life.
In order to pioneer new FE and people who want to develop it the human race would put an end to being so analytical, and not strive to strike any chord in history but concentrate on their own individual needs for survival and helping the people that try to help develop them without such deep debate.
Whilst I respect your posts, you speak of people that try to compartmentalise their own feelings and justifications of their research, if others haven't been laid open through their studies to do it for them since.
If people are/were encouraged to use their imagination without scientific retribution or question then I wouldn't have felt the need to read this thread at all.
Justifying the concepts of anyone, leaves you open to your own faith and beliefs too.
It is a fine line to educate people with a knowledge that is based on individual understandings, since it only serves to leave little room for the unaware/uneducated to acheive understandings of their own without being belittled or criticised by those who consider themselves the masters.
Based on the fear most of us have been taught from birth, it would appear to a lot of people that there is then little sense in trying to change things for a better future, since even the do gooders think they are otherwise better.
This threads purpose seems to be pushing around thoughts and questions on FE with other intellectuals, whilst not reaching the right audience. The public.
This is where the layman is not so stupid. FE devices are most probably being developed as I write, out of poverty and necessity. That man does not have enough time or interest to display his ideas on the Internet, but he does have the will to survive.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Golden Wonder:

I doubt that we are going to have enough in common to have a fruitful discussion.

Good luck,

Wade

[golden wonder]

That's a shame. I have been reading your work with great delight, enthusiasm and optimism.

[sandy]

Dear Robert,

Wow, that is quite a jammed packed post and honestly I'm not sure how to respond to all of your points. I would have to read all your references, sit back and tap my own latent abundance to understand much of the scientific points made and spend numerous hours to comprehend all of what you have written. I guess I could say I listen with my heart first and often have to literally go up to my brain's intellectual components (when mind is not getting a knowing either) and research info to fully comprehend the message one is attempting to portray.

The one thing I can say is I agree that an abundant world should start with teaching our children to tap their abundance and not suppress it. My heart sure can hear this loud and clear with a "knowing of truth in what you say". To late for this person and my only grown son, but I can do this with the little ones today and certainly try to catch myself when using old beliefs/systems when interacting with all people not just the young ones.

I do appreciate your info laden post, with much food for thought for sure. Thank you and Welcome:)

[sandy]

I have been trying to imagine a way in which we might begin to make a 'vow of abundance', as you say, real. Here is a suggestion of a way in which we can in some way think in abundance individually. I want to explain why I think that questions themselves are a kind of scarcity.

It is a waste of time and energy trying to change someone's belief toward your own. Belief precedes knowledge and a-priori knowledge is really to know nothing at all. Changing one's belief is a private affair and is a manifestation of free-will. And it is my belief that if everyone were to make their own beliefs and not just have them fitted by someone else we would be living in a better world.

If belief is the fuel then questions are the engine with logic the design. I spent 3 years studying one philosopher after another, talking them up and then cutting them down using questions and logic. If you could find their underlying belief that set them off in the first place, you could make a question that burnt the belief. The underlying assumption though, is that things that are true are unchanging, absolute and immutable (take your pick). That the truth exists to be discovered and exists objectively outside of our control.

If however, we assume that we are each a part of the ongoing creation of our time and space, then in our reality the truth is not necessarily fixed and unchanging. We make truth. Questions are by their nature a form of scarcity. This is so, because if a question could illicit an infinite number of valid responses then it is no longer a question. If the answer to a question could be wibble then the question has failed to be specific enough to find a comprehensible answer.

I must admit to having been fixated by the linguistic mechanism known as the question for about 15 years. I spend a good deal of time day-dreaming and have written much of this stuff down in the hope of making something of it one day. It was doing a philosophy degree that led me to this line of thought.

I have concluded after all this time that questions are mostly inappropriate for our purposes in daily affairs and matters of the imagination and thinking in general. They limit the number of available answers, and so the 'truth'. They have to limit the answers or it is less a question and more an assertion. Questions can often tell you more about the ones asking the questions than can the answers from those getting questions. I imagine a world while day-dreaming sometimes, where 3 fundamental differences are present:

when you dream you visit the mind and reality of another individual
no-one really believes in death as an absolute end, but commonly see it as the start of a journey
and finally, a world where our languages lack any form of questions, both structurally and grammatically


I have tried the 3rd one and can confirm that it is possible to conduct all types of thought and communication without using any questions. It is both strange and fun. If there is information you require and would normally use a question to get that information, like something as simple as asking the time, then you firstly assert what you think the information is and if you have no idea then make it up, and then most likely you will get better information, such as the right time from someone with a watch.

The time must be 5 o'clock
- no, the time is 4:30

Asserting made up facts is one way to illicit a knowledgeable response without using questions. Another way could be negation.

"There are no bases on the dark side of the moon"
"Actually, according to me, there are and if you'd spare me 5 minutes I'd tell you why..."

I'd spare the conditional, since this is not really a question, but more of an ability to select a path.

Anyhow, there it is. I fear you all think I may be mad.

I am very interested in what you are doing Wade and wanted to share my thoughts on what a world with abundance as a primary concept would look like. If I have not laid out my thoughts clearly enough then perhaps I will try again.

:)

Hi Butangeld,

Not to derail Wades Thread or mission here but, I just couldn't stop myself from responding. So here goes>>>>

Seemingly you have a need to Question>>>>>>>>>Questioning :)

[sandy]

Hi Everyone,

Took the weekend off as far as research and good thing as look at all the new info presented and now back to reading, integrating info and partaking. Good to see you :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I am going to probably be pretty quiet for the next week, with traveling and other chores. I was looking at my earlier “centering” post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=113469&highlight=centered#post113469

and it sums up my intended approach pretty well. My upcoming effort is going to disappoint many people, and that is OK. It is a big world, there are nearly seven billion of us on the planet right now, and my attempt to create a practical abundance choir is just one path out there. I have never seen anybody try to do it, and it seemed to be missing from all efforts that I have seen so far, so I had to try. I have long directed interested readers to where their interests lie:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#pursuit

and I have also made it clear whom I am not trying to reach with my efforts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#audience

I am seeking a highly specific audience, and it will not be large. In the general population, less than one-in-a-thousand people are really interested in what I am saying, and that is fine. I am not trying to chum the Internet with some lowest-common-denominator “bait” to try to build a mass FE movement. Others have tried that and some are still trying, and I wish them the best. I am not trying to sneak past people’s ego defenses, scarcity-based conditioning and the rest of those barriers, to subtly get them to think about energy and abundance. Such people are not my target audience, but almost every newcomer “activist” tries to immediately see how work like mine can be used to reach the masses. I have no illusions of doing that, and do not seek to attract their attention. I am looking for people with a love of the truth and who are willing to put forth a little effort in its pursuit.

I don’t want to go on Oprah or Ellen, etc. I am trying to help amass a nugget that might be able to create an environment of awareness that can support the people going after FE. We will not be the hundred heroes of FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#done

and I am not looking for heroes. Brian O, Dennis, and Greer are. Heroes can mount their own efforts, or they can try to team up with the few other heroes out there. The heroes that can really make a difference in the FE arena need to be able to at least meet some of these qualifications:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

or strive to. Anything less will not cut it, not in this field, not these days. I also am not looking to lead a naïve approach:

http://www.serendipity.li/fe/minefields.htm

that denies the darkness, and so on. The darkness will eventually be redeemed, but only from a place of strength in the light. Nobody that I know of on the planet has proven themselves able to take on the dark ones, although the dark pathers’ days may well be numbered on Earth, at least the days of sitting on their throne.

I am working on an essay that is intended to help people think comprehensively. If they can get there, the energy situation will not be relegated to some minor or forgotten role in the human journey, and the energy “solutions” that are currently being bandied about by the mainstream and “progressives” will not be distracting. I seek those who want to see the heart of matters. Dedicating one’s self to pursuing the truth and planetary healing is a momentous act for anybody to take, and should never be taken lightly. It pretty much devoured my life, but I have no regrets.

I do not ask anybody to experience what I did, and I hope that seeing the big picture does not require people to go through the meat grinder to get there. If it does, then I am truly on a fool’s errand.

As events have played out, it looks like I will not get that essay completed until next year. I am sorry that it has taken so long, but I have many demands on my time. If I could work on it full time, I could get a passable version finished a few months from now. But I do not have that luxury. I also do not want to put something out there that is half-baked, and the task feels overwhelming at times. Every time that I do some research, it opens up new avenues, and I go down enticing rabbit holes in my attempt to make a worthy effort.

For instance, I have read quite a few books on humanity and energy in the past several years. That study largely began when I was introduced to the Peak Oil crowd in 2003:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm

I wrote my initial energy racket essay

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm

before encountering Fuller:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

or the Peak Oilers.

A couple of years ago, I read Energy, Engine of Evolution.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn3

A lot of my reading in the past two years was pursuing subjects that that book broached, including several books on evolution (including molecular biology) and geophysics. It also dovetailed to readings that I was already doing on anthropology, both cultural and physical - about a dozen books on that subject - including recent findings from studying our Great Ape cousins.

There was a fairly bigoted notion of “history” in the West’s past that is waning somewhat, where people without written records had no history. So, much of that “anthropology” that I studied amounted to reconstructions of dead civilizations. I also read several more books on energy and humanity, from how the USA’s economy developed to how “peak wood” preceded Peak Oil to how devastating the European invasions were to the native flora, fauna and peoples around the world, which I have been studying for a long time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#before

Economics is my bag, so I did a little reading of Karl Marx’s work and other works of the famous economists. I read economics and business news for at least an hour each day, which began in earnest as the meltdown took place:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#enron

I have been reading a lot on medicine once again, probably spurred by my participation in this forum. So, that is a lot of territory to cover, but in the end, if I had not been radicalized by my journey with Dennis:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

I highly doubt that I would have ever had anything particularly useful to say. I cannot overemphasize that experience is the real teacher in the FE milieu. Most of what I learned I doubt can be taught, but there are other ways to get radicalized that are less life-threatening, and for those who had some kind of experience that opened their eyes:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

the FE milieu is probably going to be a lot easier to understand.

The energy and humanity books that I have read over the past several years all had the same general framework as my original energy racket essay, of being largely organized as a historical narrative, and it is easy to see why. I doubt that I can state it any more succinctly than this:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#succinct

The primary upshot of my upcoming essay will be that FE can break the scarcity-based paradigms that guide human thinking and action. No civilization has ever lived in true abundance before, but relative plenty usually brought peace, at least for a while, until the civilization burned through its energy supply, whether it was megafauna, trees, arable land, and so on. Now, we are nearing the end of the Hydrocarbon Age. The Peak Oilers understand how much industrialized civilization depends on that energy, but they are all stuck in Level 3:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

I never met or heard of an exception, but that is normal for any clique. One Peak Oiler said that he never saw anybody move across the line, from being a Peak Oiler to a “there is plenty of oil” advocate, or moving the other way. That is similar to Max Planck’s observation on how science advances funeral by funeral:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#real

Like Greer:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#addiction

I have found that nearly everybody becomes addicted to their point of view, which is deeply rooted in their political-economic status. Fear and scarcity is the glue that holds us there. What if we had real abundance? What might that world look like? I have some guesses:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

and have spent my life in the pursuit of that issue. I do not know if I will live to see it begin to come to pass, but I cannot think of anything more worthwhile to pursue. I know that I am a freak, but maybe I can be let out of my cage long enough to get that ball rolling. The technology to do it has been on the planet longer than I have been alive:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

I am looking for others who can attain and hold the practical abundance vision. What exactly will come of it, I do not know, but I am trying to find out. We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[motherlove]

While reading A Little Vision I am weeping there is something very familar to me within the words. Thank you.

[Butangeld]

I think I may have seemed to suggest that I do not agree in some fundamental way with what is being said here in this conversation. I very much agree with the direction I think Wade is generally heading. I find a sense of brotherhood in almost every post (or at least the posts I remember the most). Indeed this is the only thread I am using right now at Avalon.


Seemingly you have a need to Question>>>>>>>>>Questioning :)

Good call, that is a way of looking at it, but then nothing should be beyond question...:D

Wade, I did in no way mean to suggest that questioning is a futile pursuit, and did not see at the time of writing the awful irony of posting such an observation on a forum. The thoughts I have on questions, and I mean them in a non-specific general way, were formed some 10+ years previously and I did not intend to direct it at you. It truly was a serious suggestion to anyone listening :)

The questions I find the most benefit from their absence are the ones used in the course of an average day, often asked curtly or will ill intent. If anyone were to try and remove those from the day then we would be turning our heads toward abundance. We'd certainly have more patience ;)

In the light of day I am often accused of always seeing the good in someone, often to my own detriment, but I notice many things in a day which give me hope and show me that there is a change of thought going on in the world today. I have been very busy over the last 3+ years now building something, and all the time with the same original vision in mind. A vision inspired by the work of Rappoport and his suggestion and encouragement to manifest that which I believed in. It is with this vision of a world where people physically help one another, without analysis, and see the benefits all round that I have been able to reject all work I would have done previously and live with a financial train wreck.

I am a programmer, but that activity is not really where the important aspects of the community we have been building are taking place. It is a general business community in essence. A marriage of ideas brought together by my partner in crime, a retired military major who got there the hard way and who is the most worthy leader I have ever been lucky enough to encounter. There are many highs and lows, but he has this never ending ability to learn and adapt. There is too much to write here, but suffice it to say that what we have been engaging is not a lone mission. Seeing what is taking place here and with efforts as far away as Tasmania (well from me anyhow) I am very much encouraged to continue. You have to take a stand and choose a brighter path. I recall drawing on a napkin the rough sketch of a device like Bearden's and I saw him draw something else entirely. He studied and worked with electromagnetics while in the military. We do not intend to build a device, he agreed we would be stopped from doing so. Instead we have been building a community of businesses and people that are helping one another because they 'get it'. It is my hope that with communities like this the world will be in a better shape to embrace such an FE device.

I better go and do some work.
I encourage you all.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi motherlove:

I am happy that it moved you. I hope to do another visions post in the not-too-distant future.

Hi Butangeld:

I did not get the sense of you disagreeing, but I saw your observation more along "philosophical" lines. :) I was using myself as an example. Questioning and answering, seeking and demonstrating, and so on, is a big part of how humans learn.

Your observation of questions best left unasked is part of the conundrum we are in, I would say. You are fortunate to be in a business community of mutual support. Maybe they can somehow help out, one day.

Yes, tinkering with FE devices is perilous activity, on several levels. My experience has been that the initial threat will not come from the GCs; it usually comes from encountering our own foibles and those of our allies, and then the local interests may get involved, if they see you as a threat.

I have watched energy technology get treated like the One Ring being dropped into a camp of Orcs. People I thought knew quickly played Orc when they thought that they could make off with the Ring. That always ended very badly.

The GCs don’t appear until you overcome the early hurdles. Often, if the GCs have targeted you and been mischievous, you do not even know what they did. They can make many of their activities look like "nature" taking its course. I talk about that some here (start at about 10:45 for that clip):

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/4/ZI39RzWxCOQ

There are many hurdles to overcome to get where you are "not allowed" to do it.

On the good in everybody, yes, I am familiar with your problem. In fact, one of the most common criticisms that has been directed at me over the long years is that I love each individual, but am disgusted with my species. :) I understand the criticism.

Best,

Wade

[Hughe]

I stopped looking for a partner I will work together. It seems it's just waste of time. People have only interest about immediate benefit.

When I'll invent or build a practical FE device, I will write a Sci-Fi novel and blend in the schematic diagram and parts, build instruction of the FE device altogether. Put it out in public domain.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Hughe:

When I was with Dennis, we sold kits on how to build, market, and install our heat pump.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

Nobody ever built any. I vividly recall our naive days, thinking that we could start an alternative energy stampede. It ain’t gonna happen that way, not in today’s world.

There are blueprints of Trombly’s homo-polar generator on the Internet:

http://www.rexresearch.com/trombly/trombly.htm

Nobody successfully built any that I ever heard of. That stuff is a lot harder than it looks, not only on the technical end, but on the gumption end, too, and that “quick kill” observation of yours is also part of the conundrum. Even if Sparky Sweet ever disclosed how he conditioned his magnets, which was the “secret sauce” of his device:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sweet

and people successfully built them, it would still be a long, long way from having a device that could power a home. The FE tinkerers do not have a prayer, not in today’s environment. FE craftsmen will not get the job done.

One brilliant aspect of what Dennis did was coming into a market dominated by craftsman and industrializing it. He did it in insulation:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#insulation

and he was doing it with his heat pump when they lowered the boom on him in Seattle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#develop

But he also revolutionized the way to sell them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#sfs

and that combination made him deadly. Dennis did not have a business or technical background, but brought his raw genius to the problems. It took an outsider to see the problem and devise solutions. Craftsman-level devices do not have adequate quality control, even for something as technically crude as that heat pump. For a FE prototype, you have to go up an order of magnitude or three in precision to make it happen. Mass-producing a Spark Sweet device would be like making Intel computer chips. You can’t make those in garages. DIY in FE is a loser, as far as I have seen, and the technical issues are only part of the problem, and maybe a small part.

I do not know what it is, but maybe because something like Sparky Sweet’s device was small, people think they can revolutionize the energy industry from their garages. That is a big delusion, as far as I can see. A pal who worked in aerospace once told me that I should just make an FE device for my home and forget trying to do anything on the public front. I replied that it would probably be easier to build a Boeing 747 in my backyard. I constantly see people saying stuff like, “we just need a table-top demonstration of an FE device, and then we would be flying.” People like Trombly and Sweet had table-top demos. That is when it started getting rough for them. A piece of technology I sure wish was the magic ingredient, but the problems are a lot bigger than that. When you pursue stuff like this, you eventually realize that the problems are not really technological, but political-economic and social, and ultimately, spiritual.

The technical problems of FE were solved long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#underground

The Big Boys know that as long as people are thinking at the tinkerer level, that they have the game well in hand. It takes a long time and a lot of experience to understand the problem’s dimensions. That is why it is called a “conundrum.” :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Just a PS to my last post – it has been really something to watch the would-be rampart-scalers, even the ones that I respect, vacillate on these issues as they turn the Rubik's Cube this way and that. I will see some who have been in the trenches a little come to the understanding that the issues are not really technical, but the "human element" of the problem. I will see them finally admit the obvious, and for a while, maybe years, they "get it" that the inventor/business/patent route is a dead end. But they seem to not be able to help themselves, and soon are going at it again, or hook up with allies that are, and it is the same old story: some inventor, going after a patent and R&D funds, or trying to make "secret sauce" proprietary components that only the "dealers" can maintain, and so on, and I wondered what sickness of mind infected my pals, thinking that the same old, same old was going to somehow work this time. It is like that definition of insanity of doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different outcome each time.

I begin to talk some about the inventor/patent route at about 14 minutes into this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI39RzWxCOQ

But even if it goes open source and DIY, that only removes a few pieces of the obstacle course, and even then, it is probably more along the lines of the aspirants thinking that they removed some obstacles, rather than really removing them. That is way harder than it looks. One thing that made me a little miffed about Dennis's public persona, or even the moon landings, was how they tried to make it look easy. The fact that they tried to make it look easy speaks volumes about their audience. I think that average people realize that they can't make rockets to the moon in their backyards, no matter how routine NASA tried to make the moon landings appear:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#hitchless

but for some reason, so many think that they can build a world-changing free energy machine in their garage. It is a lot harder than people would have you think it is, and that is part of the problem, with so many misdirecting their efforts toward the tinkerer path. I grew up in an inventor's workshop, and my initial orientation to the energy issue was technological:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

and then the business end of it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

Those are dead-ends, as far as I have seen, and my site and upcoming essay are intended to take a different tack. It will likely also prove to be futile, but I won't be risking anybody's life to find out.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

I'd like to write a clarifying post :)

I knew about FE before Wade joined us here at Avalon. I was happy to find him and he came with a glowing recommendation from Bill. I also looked at his site and so I learned he talks for experience.

I've started posting and asking questions and presenting my ideas and Wade kept on "destroying" all of them. He was driving me nuts sometimes... no matter what I was suggesting he was finding tons of reasons "why this won't work". He always documented his replies so I could see his point every time.

It took me a while to understand why was Wade doing this :). He was really helping me get from Level 7 to Level 12 without having to go trough all the challenges that he faced. He almost lost me at level 8, but then I understood his approach and I am willing to give it a try.

So to re-iterate here, the problems with FE is not technology, not even making the blueprints publicly available but rather our own lack of awareness about it. Actually our denial of it and keeping to our scarcity conditioning. (Wade, I hope I'm close to the mark! :)).

[Wade Frazier]

I am going to betray Ilie's confidence a little here, but I got his OK to, first. I have been at this stuff since I was sixteen, and I learned many of my lessons in this field the hard way, a lot harder than is revealed on my site today, which really skirts some central aspects of my involvement. After my hard years with Dennis, I hit the books, but also began reaching out to people like Noam Chomsky about twenty years ago, in my quest to find some fertile ground for the idea that FE was possible to take root. I almost never found anybody who was receptive, even "alternative" thinkers. I interacted with thousands of people during my days with Dennis, in all manner of venue and situation, from doing home show conventions to holding "Greatest Energy Shows on Earth"

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.jpg

to meeting at corporate headquarters with Fortune 500-type CFOs, to getting dealership networks going, to building R&D facilities, and so on. When I first put up my site in 1996, I took on all comers for several years, with my email address on my site. In the past few years, I tried interacting with the public again, and my ATS experience was "interesting,"

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll1

What a long, strange trip it has been. Watching people like Brian O play the Paul Revere of free energy fifteen years ago, and to hear what his ride was like several years later, was more information that I filed away (the stone wall that he ran into was no surprise to me, I am sad to say).

In my old age, I have decided to focus my efforts and not engage the masses or "progressives" anymore, because I saw where that always ended up. Maybe one in a few hundred "progressives" would begin to "get it," but it was some level like that, and none of my challengers ever did any of their homework. The only person who arguably could make that claim was spectacularly dishonest:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

and was probably on the payroll. In the past fifteen years, other than Mr. Skeptic, I have yet to hear from one person who obtained Dennis's books (the two best were written in his cells, sometimes while in solitary confinement and smuggled out of jail, when he was slowed down enough to document his preposterous journey). So, I have still never encountered even one person who really performed significant homework on our efforts, which still stand as the greatest run yet made at alternative/free energy that I have heard of. That is part of the conundrum, too.

That aside, after interacting with so many people over many years on these subjects, I can tell within the first minute of conversation (or somebody's first forum post) if there is hope for that person's eyes to eventually light up. Even though Ilie tinkered around with FE before he encountered me, from his first post I recognized his potential for "getting it," and when I see a chance for somebody like Ilie to understand, I will go the extra mile and more. In our private exchanges, Ilie started off by stating that he could never dream of playing at the levels that Dennis and I have, and that he was no hero. I kept responding that I was not looking for heroes, but people who could simply learn to sing the abundance song.

After listening to my interviews with Scott and reading my site, Ilie watched Chain Reaction and read Grunch of Giants. That is somebody who is doing their homework, and so far, Ilie's reactions and willingness to learn is the gold standard of what I am looking for at Avalon. If I found a thousand Ilies, FE might become feasible. If there were ten thousand like him, it would be easy. Mere "singing" may seem like worthless activity, especially for those who want to go scale the ramparts. However, for every aspirant who boasts of embarking on scaling, maybe one-in-a-thousand will actually avoid the early pitfalls:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

to where they can even glimpse the castle from a distant hilltop. There are far more pretenders than contenders in any field, but far more so in the FE milieu.

An abundance choir has never been heard on Earth before, and what that might catalyze is worth exploring. Probably the biggest single barrier is the first: making FE thinkable:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

If enough people can at least make it thinkable, maybe we can get somewhere. I am also trying to make it thinkable in a way where I can keep the newcomers from running straight into the meat grinder, which is where most of them sprint toward. As Ilie says, I am trying to guide people to Level 12, without them having to waste their lives getting there.

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Wade,

After some more reading, I have been wondering why mass activism for FE will not work. Is it because the masses will be coming from a scarcity mindset and realization of more scarcity it they don't do something>>>and the intention is still STS. That is what I have been thinking about a lot and can comprehend that without the actual integrity, FE would probably devastate the world versus free the world because the mindset is still the same. If what I'm thinking is not so then why will it not work? I'll post this for now and go back and reread that section again because maybe I missed the reason:)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Great question, but I won’t have time to answer it properly this morning, but the short answer is, if you could ever find any “masses” that left these ideologies behind;

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

then a mass movement would work. In fact, people like that are what I am searching for. The reasons are several. When you go back to the layers of the Free Energy Onion:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

and look at layers 1 to 3, their rejection of the idea of FE rests in their allegiance to one of those ideologies. I have found that only about one in a thousand people has any interest in FE at this stage, and it usually means that they can't see past their scarcity-based ideologies far enough to even believe that FE is possible. I guess that it depends on how you define “mass.” At one-in-a-thousand, that still means that there are potentially about seven million people on Earth who are my target audience. In the USA, that is 300,000. In my earlier post, I said that only 10,000 people singing the abundance song could take us over the top, and easily. So, numbers-wise, I think that what I am shooting for is feasible. As far as the “masses” go, they can’t carry that ball, not now. I have watched Dennis appeal to organized religion, nationalism and capitalism in his journey. All three were spectacular failures. I witnessed many events that demonstrated quite clearly what a dead end those paths were:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#why

It took a long, long time for me to figure it out. All of those scarcity-based ideologies are also how humanity is herded and controlled by playing with their survival mechanisms. The people who run the world are masters of using those ideologies to keep humanity enslaved, and appealing to them is the path of catastrophe, because you are trying to “out-herd” the GCs, and the shepherd can manipulate his flock way better than we could ever hope to.

Anybody can lay aside those ideologies, so there is nothing “elitist” about it, but the fact is that on Earth today, less than one in a thousand people have proven themselves willing and able to do so.

Kind of the flip-side to that issue is that when people give their allegiance to those ideologies and reject the truth (among the many denied truths, FE is already here, I know that much http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground ), they are not acting like sentient beings. Heart-centered sentience is what will take us over the top. Those who can achieve that will be carrying the ball for humanity until it can. The vast majority of humanity will believe in FE when they see it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

The Big Boys know this quite well, which is why they have put so much money into their carrot-and-stick program to keep the lid on FE and related technologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#payoff

That is why this is a conundrum! :)

I could give many, many examples of events that led me to where I am today. It is directly related to the integrity issue. Anybody who has played the FE game at a high level comes to the same general vicinity, as far as what the numbers are in the general population. When I discovered it, I subsequently found it quite a few times in my researches.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

It also can be seen as the love/fear duality. Only people with whole hearts can lay aside those ideologies. Allegiance to those ideologies is a self-serving act, because it puts those with allegiance onto the “winning team,” and that allegiance provides ego strokes and material rewards. People who are trapped there will not be able to lead humanity to FE, not now.

There are several more dimensions of it that I can’t go into this morning, but I made a post on this thread already about it. The lamb’s path to FE is also simultaneously a test of our ability to handle the power of FE. If FE was implemented by fear, which also means if it was implemented by using any of those scarcity-based ideologies, it will end disastrously. And again, appealing to any of those ideologies is appealing to fear, not love, although that can seem very subtle. Love, not fear, will take us over the top, in very real ways. A loving strategy is not only the one that is “nice” to do, but is probably the only one that will work.

Gotta go catch a plane…

Best,

Wade

[Tahi]

Safe trip Wade :)

I constantly think about it now... you must be a very patient man.

[sandy]

Thanks Wade,

I have to agree with why the masses, even if most of the world demanded FE today, it would be a disaster. All the ism's make sense as continuing obstacles. Therefore, again it affirms for me that what you are doing is the solution, as the way the world is going I don't think there will be to many evolving level 12's any time too soon. On a personal note I checked out Silva and started some studies today and found the first session very interesting. Checking out to see if I want to purchase the program. Looking forward to more.

Have a safe, fun and trouble free journey Wade.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hey Wade...

Tesla motors has been added to US funding decisions...

link (http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=532)


"clean energy is no longer science fiction" ;)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Tahi:

Since impatience is my Achilles heel:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#reading

If I am demonstrating any patience, I must be faking it. :)

Hi Sandy:

Good luck with Silva. You may be right about the lack of level 12s, and in my interviews with Scott, I said that if I had to bet, I would not put my money on "us" making FE happen, but what is happening at the GC level, but that does not mean that I am giving up.

Hi Rocky:

I do not see anything exotic in what Tesla Motors is doing, or anything exotic in that news release. That project seems to be related to what Brian O got excited a couple of years ago:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=217005&highlight=proposal#post217005

It looks like the usual suspects of the DOE, and in fact, some of those names are among the most evil I know, for suppressing disruptive energy technologies. So. Cal. Edison had a hand in what happened in Ventura. Yeah, I get your :) . :)

Best,

Wade

[Tahi]

Haha Yes, I have many journal entries, questioning my impatience whether a good thing or bad.

Thanx for your patience Wade, and for putting to text your experiences.

But I'm still thinking it and its not here for me... not yet!

[sandy]

Hi Wade,

I'm not giving up either :) Read your Spiritual Perspective today and just wanted to say thanks for the support.

After reading I felt shored up, so to speak and isn't it funny (synchronicity) not long after I received 2 long distance calls today from friends reaching out for understanding. It certainly has been a great day and I feel grateful for all I experience.

Blessing to ALL!

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Sandy:

You know, sometimes I read that essay myself to get "shored up." That essay is kind of an odd one, at least for my site. Every essay on my site has been somebody's favorite, while some essays have generated plenty of controversy over the years, and that one has proven to be one of the more controversial.

For instance, one New Age guru dude once had a forum devoted to my work, and then wiped it out without ever informing me. He took exception to this section of that essay:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#tale

because his story is a different one. His problem was thinking that his story was THE story. Virtually all religions play that game, thinking that their story is THE story. Even with that clear caveat at the beginning of that section, he still got all bent and eventually wiped out the forum. So, I am glad that it shored you up.

Best,

Wade

[Mauree]

Thank you Wade, Thank goodness for the positiveness that you bring to Avalon. It is like a breath of fresh air. Wonderful. I shall endeavour to open the different links that you have provided.

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Mauree:

Welcome. My writings are actually considered pretty hard hitting, but that is to help people let go of those scarcity-based ideologies and get past those traps. For those already past that, there is relatively little of my site that is relevant. These are good introductions to the "positive" stuff.


http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm


Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I just got back from visiting Kansas once again with my aunt, and it was good:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kansas

I saw storms that looked like tornado spawners (I have been in those before, and it is an unforgettable experience, to say the least), but I was a few hundred miles from Joplin. I got some drenchings from storms while there, and miss them. Seattle merely drizzles for half of the year. With FE, buildings would not be vulnerable to quakes, tornados, tsunamis, and so on, and there would not be many cities, not like those that we see today.

But, in my old age, I do not use "opportunities" like a tornado or drought or other distressing event to talk up FE, especially with "strangers." They are virtually all at Level 0:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

and if somebody like me talks to them, nearly all of them end up in Level 1, with the rest scattered from Levels 2 to 5. Once in a great, great while, they may move beyond that, but I have never seen a newcomer land in Level 12. As Ilie stated, those getting to Level 12 almost invariably need to go through at least parts of Levels 7 to 11, and it is understandable. Levels 0 to 11 host 99.9999% or so of humanity today. Trying to reduce that a little…

When I was in a Kansas museum, the resident scientist bent my ear on the archeological and paleontological findings in Kansas, while also lamenting the quick emptying of the Ogallala Aquifer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer

which is about 100% depleted under that museum. Once again, the opportunity arose to talk about how with FE, all water issues would vanish almost overnight. But, I just bit my tongue, just like I don't talk about alternative medicine:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#lessons

I always caution those new to FE about doing so:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#telling

FE chat with the public is hazardous duty, not to mention with family, friends, and co-workers. Avalon's denizens have generally overcome most of those early hurdles to comprehension, which is why I am here. :)

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi:

I just got back from visiting Kansas once again with my aunt, and it was good:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kansas

I saw storms that looked like tornado spawners (I have been in those before, and it is an unforgettable experience, to say the least), but I was a few hundred miles from Joplin. I got some drenchings from storms while there, and miss them. Seattle merely drizzles for half of the year. With FE, buildings would not be vulnerable to quakes, tornados, tsunamis, and so on, and there would not be many cities, not like those that we see today.

But, in my old age, I do not use "opportunities" like a tornado or drought or other distressing event to talk up FE, especially with "strangers." They are virtually all at Level 0:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

and if somebody like me talks to them, nearly all of them end up in Level 1, with the rest scattered from Levels 2 to 5. Once in a great, great while, they may move beyond that, but I have never seen a newcomer land in Level 12. As Ilie stated, those getting to Level 12 almost invariably need to go through at least parts of Levels 7 to 11, and it is understandable. Levels 0 to 11 host 99.9999% or so of humanity today. Trying to reduce that a little…

When I was in a Kansas museum, the resident scientist bent my ear on the archeological and paleontological findings in Kansas, while also lamenting the quick emptying of the Ogallala Aquifer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer

which is about 100% depleted under that museum. Once again, the opportunity arose to talk about how with FE, all water issues would vanish almost overnight. But, I just bit my tongue, just like I don't talk about alternative medicine:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#lessons

I always caution those new to FE about doing so:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#telling

FE chat with the public is hazardous duty, not to mention with family, friends, and co-workers. Avalon's denizens have generally overcome most of those early hurdles to comprehension, which is why I am here. :)

Best,

Wade

And I for one am so glad you are here Wade, :)

I have one question, (I was going to say quick<<<<) but then maybe the answer is not. However, I have had others ask me to explain what is free energy and of course when I start to explain what I comprehend, their eyes glaze over and they say Oh Yah! and change the subject. I have to be honest and say my answer is quite esoteric versus technical and this may be the cause.

Question??>>>>>Is there a fairly definitive explanation that would not cause the glazing over look and response?

Good to know you are back and your trip was good. Enjoyed the post and articles and one might say your back in the saddle again here at Avalon. ;)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Well, you are encountering part of the conundrum, but it is not that big of one, I think. In my second interview with Scott, I do a little explaining of the ZPF, but it is just a little:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html

I have also done it a little on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=98022&highlight=spins#post98022

With the public, that is about as far as I will ever go. When Brian O began his investigations twenty years ago and began to talk publicly about his findings, he also found that the audience’s eyes would quickly glaze over when he began to talk about FE physics. Even if you try to do it around scientists, you get in trouble because you are describing something that the “laws of physics” says is “impossible.” For a few reasons, the masses and scientists are going to wake up to FE when it is delivered to their home, like Machiavelli said:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

When I present the rudiments of thermodynamics in my site, I just cover the basics:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#industrial

In short, the lay audience is not interested in FE physics (who knows how their TV or computer works?), the scientifically-trained are almost never receptive because FE physics defies the physics texts, and anybody who may really be interested is usually thinking along the FE tinkerer lines, so wants to go rush into the lion’s den. So, nobody is really interested, or those who are, are usually interested for the wrong reasons. That is part of the conundrum. And when people do get into the physics, like a Tom Bearden or Sparky Sweet, they either do not tell everything, for “proprietary” reasons, or because they want to protect tinkerers from themselves, or maybe they do not know what they are talking about (or they do it for self-preservation reasons), but Sparky sure demonstrated that he had the goods.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sweet

I do not really approve of that “don’t give them the goodies, or just hint at it” approach myself, but it is pretty universal. As I have said many times, the only prayer that I see with the tinkerer/capitalist approach to FE is for an inventor with the goods to give it to a worthy group, and I have never met the inventor willing to give it away or heard of a worthy group.

For instance, in my upcoming essay, there is going to be a lot of science in it, but probably few or no equations. I will have plenty of pictures, however. I am going to be taking on what may be a foolish task and help the layman gain at least a rudimentary understanding of the energy situation, and how life on the Earth and the human journey depend on it. I hope to provide enough education so that interested laypeople are not distracted by all the “solutions” paraded around today, such as air cars, biofuels and the usual suspects of alternative energy. It should not be that hard to show that those “solutions” are not really solutions, but we will see.

With FE, there are two primary upshots of its implications, and they are rather distinct and have different constituencies. The first is that the hydrocarbon economy is not only unsustainable (if we are not at Peak Oil already, we will be there soon), but the side-effects are devastating to humanity and the planet (oil-control genocides – think Iraq – air pollution, the energy-scarcity methods of mining and so forth). You really have to have your head in the sand, or have a vested interest in the current energy industry, to deny that aspect of it.

The second aspect is that FE can take humanity’s energy-per-capita consumption from today’s fifteen or so (the multiple of a person’s daily dietary caloric intake) to ten thousand, and there would be virtually no environmental impact to it, either. That is where the heaven-on-Earth territory begins to come into view:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

The environmentalists,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#environmentalists

Peak Oilers

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm

and many other hair-shirt groups are violently opposed to that second aspect of the issue. It was mind-boggling to witness those denials, but they are universal. As far as I know, I am the first person to state that they are all due to being hooked on scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

It took many years to figure it out.

I am not sure if that answered your question, but I have never seen anybody have a successful conversation about FE physics with the public.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

My previous response inspired me a little to write about FE and disruptive technology. There are disruptive energy technologies, there are FE devices, in various stages of development, and there are FE devices that win the prize, like the solid state FE device that Sparky Sweet had. They have some overlaps, but are distinctly different categories.

One of the most common reactions, especially for technical professionals, is to ask where they can go see a FE machine in action. If they can't go see, touch, and test one, then they think that FE is probably impossible:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#circular

Bucky remarked on how the establishment fully encourages such naïveté in its technical professionals:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#naive

Scientists who take that approach have no idea how the world really works, and I do not mean the "laws of physics" part, either. I mean that capitalism is a system founded on greed, and capitalists always seek to derail disruptive technologies before they can disrupt their markets, and that they cooperate with each other to derail threats coming from the outside. Even Adam Smith wrote about it long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#smith2

and FE would be, by far, history's most disruptive technology. A long time before Dennis ever thought of FE, he was bringing disruptive energy technologies to market. His systems for savings programs are the closest thing to FE that has ever been on the market:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#sfs

He then began finding out the hard way how capitalism really works and how capitalists protect their markets from competition and disruption. His effort in Seattle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

is probably the greatest attempt that anybody ever made to bring alternative energy to the American marketplace, but other than my account of it, almost nobody has ever heard of it, and virtually nobody seems to ever be interested, at least from the public. The Big Boys, however, and their minions, are highly aware of his efforts, so Dennis has been dogged by a "skeptic" since 1996,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#friends

and several national TV shows over the years have lied about his past, to help ensure that nobody ever looks too deeply into the matter. For anybody who was serious about trying to develop FE for the marketplace, Dennis's experiences comprise the greatest textbook that they could ever hope to study. But as I stated earlier, to this day, I have yet to encounter even one person from the public who has obtained Dennis's books on his adventures.

That situation is another aspect of the conundrum. I have yet to see a would-be FE aspirant who has ever really done his homework before he begins to try scaling the ramparts. Such people are usually in various levels of denial and naïveté, and have no interest in learning from the experiences of those who blazed those paths in the real world long ago. They are lambs to the slaughter, and willfully ignorant lambs. It is like that famous saying about those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. The good news, I suppose, is that people with that attitude will almost never progress along the path far enough to really do anything productive, so they cannot get into too much trouble.

I may make some more "conundrum" posts in the near future. Again, I am trying to help develop some Level 12s, and understanding the conundrum's facets is vital to becoming a Level 12. What people like Sandy are doing, chatting up people on FE, can actually be a good learning experience, because they will be able to see the Level 1 to Level 4 responses pretty quickly, and what I am writing will begin to make more sense. Experience is the greatest, and maybe only, teacher.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I just finished an interview with Brian O and David Gibbons:

http://www.davidgibbons.org/

I am not sure when it will air. It is always a pleasure to be on with Brian. Part of me is amazed to be on with somebody like Brian, where I just want to sit and listen on a subject like that. All I can say, when I hear somebody like Brian, is "Right on!"

I am doing another one with David, Brian and Jeane Manning on Monday. That one might be live:

http://www.davidgibbons.org/id324.html

I just don't know enough about how David's site works. It looks like David is going the commercial-free subscription model. While I admire that stance, that is a hard one to pull off.

Best,

Wade

[Hughe]

Red Ice Radio - Ralph Ring - Ether Technology, Magnetism, Nikola Tesla & Otis T. Carr
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[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

When Brian and I did the Camelot interview, I was asked about Ring, and did not know anything about him. That interview with him that Hughe posted, and in looking at Ring's site, is an example of what I am not trying to do with my work. Ring's story, if true, is an example of the many dead-end paths. Working in government labs and thinking that they would welcome your bright ideas, approaching Detroit, applying for patents, the capitalist approach – these are all naïve approaches. All of those approaches are misdirections, in my opinion, but almost nobody can seem to climb out of those ruts. I talked about it some here (about 13 minutes in, and I go into it in other clips of that interview):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI39RzWxCOQ

I guess that more than 100,000 efforts have disappeared down those rabbit holes. It is on the record that the USA's federal government has seized more than 3,000 inventions, primarily energy-related, under the "national security" laws, and the Big Boys have paid off far more than 10,000 people with their Golden Handcuffs program:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#payoff

And those were the "successful" inventors who reached the stage where they developed something worth suppressing. My guess is that at least 100,000 inventors never got far enough along to where they did anything potentially threatening (they never had anything in the first place, the Gold Rush effect infected their allies, they fell to their own foibles, and so forth) and at least another 20,000 succumbed to the subtle tactics that caused them to fall on their swords. Of the 10,000+ who got the Golden Handcuffs, I am sure that the vast majority of them did not even figure out that they got the Golden Handcuffs. They did it for the money anyway, and once they sold the rights to their gizmos, they were preoccupied with counting their money and getting a tan in the Bahamas. Our first offer was that friendly buyout offer:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

Only the reluctant ones receive the escalating tactics.

Ring's early story is similar to that of my first professional mentor, who naïvely believed that the Pentagon would welcome his bomb that did not hurt people but destroyed weaponry:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#_edn1

About a year ago, I was almost forced to sit and watch that recent documentary on John Searl. Like Ring's interviews, it was a lot of pretty talk and pictures of those supposed craft that can go to Mars on their lunch hour, but they generally only provide still pictures of them sitting on the ground. If they were legit, they either had all the good stuff confiscated (and only have still pictures of their "craft" sitting on the ground left over – anybody with the funding to make what they allegedly did, could have easily made many movies of them flying around), never had it in the first place, or are playing the game of "if there is enough interest, then I will show it off." Dennis is playing a similar game with his "If I get a million people sitting in stadiums for the show, then I will show it off" approach. That is the faith approach, and I have no interest in that.

Again, I am trying to do something different. In my interview yesterday, I said that the only chance that an inventor has is to give it away, but that is part of the conundrum. I am sympathetic to the newcomer delusions that keep them stuck in Levels 6 to 11:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

They are "reasonable" traps to fall into, but they are traps nevertheless.

The only prayer that FE has, by the inventor route, is for somebody with the goods to give it to a worthy group. I have never met that inventor, and I have never heard of that worthy group. When I hear stuff like, "we have it, but we are keeping it secret until the time is right," all the usual alarm bells go off. First, anybody can make that claim. Second, playing the secrecy game is doomed. You can't hide from the Big Boys, so anybody playing the secrecy game is really hiding from the public. Why are they doing that? These are all aspects of the conundrum.

I really hope to lead the conversation way, way past tinkering inventors, would-be heroes thinking that they can scale the ramparts, etc. I do not expect to have a large audience. I do not have any spectacle to offer, no promise of riches, and none of the other "bait" that is regularly used in this field. I am hoping to help people think comprehensively. If enough people can get there, maybe my approach has a chance.

We will see.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

As a PS to my previous post, in our interview yesterday, Brian talked of another situation. Again, I do not keep my ear to the ground, like Brian or Sterling do, on the latest FE aspirant, but Brian related a situation that was another variation on the theme that I had not heard before. In the last half of my second interview with Scott and Tom (which was really part of our first interview session):

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html

Tom asked about why the USA is almost all we ever hear about on the FE front. I replied that Brian has kept his ear to the ground and has trotted the globe, meeting FE inventors scattered across the planet. Brian said that most of the inventing and suppressing happens in the USA. I also mentioned that almost from the time that I got involved with Dennis, the question came up, many times, if there was someplace else on Earth where people like us could work unhindered, and from what I saw, there was no such place.

In the interview, Brian related a recent instance when some FE inventor and his supporters were about to move away from the USA to try to get a better chance, but the guy's lawyer talked him out of it. :)

I did not laugh out loud when I heard that, but I did say that it was a new twist that I had not heard before. However, it was not a surprising twist. I imagine that the lawyer's concern was about inventor's rights and other economic benefits that might be put in jeopardy if they moved abroad (or maybe it had to do with legal risk in other nations, but I somehow doubt that that was the lawyer's concern). Again, self-interest and the FE pursuit are like oil and water; they have never successfully mixed. The only people that have come anywhere close to success had saintly motivation. Those operating from self-interest are laughably easy to derail in this milieu.

As I talked about in that interview, and I have stated publicly often enough, I have been living with the potential of FE for about half of my life, and I can barely imagine what it can do, as far as transforming the human journey. It would dwarf all previous epochal transitions of the human journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#revolutions

To say it is big stuff is to understate it. However, almost all would-be FE inventors operate from the standard inventor mindset – trying to become rich and famous – and when they do that in this field, they are defeated before they begin, but the "lucky" ones get the Golden Handcuffs.

Bringing the inventor's mindset to the FE issue is part of the conundrum. Anybody who will be productive in this field will have left behind that mentality long ago, but I can count people like that almost on one hand.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Wade,

Yes you more than answered my question. So much reading and comprehending I got way behind in my spring gardening not to mention house work :) Oh well, I think of it like mental therapy and a prevention program for Alzheimers. :thumb: I need all the help I can get!!

The gardening is done and now I look forward to Mother Nature taking her course with all the beauty of new growth about to spring forth!

Can hardly wait for the new interview. I checked out the website but not a mention of it so will look forward to your post announcing when the interview will be aired. I was thinking that you are blessed to have Brian for a friend and again thought he was another amazing person placed on your path as a support for you and your life's mission. It does all go back to your boyhood dream.

I was reading today and really found your comments about Autism very interesting. I really like the Kryon material and remembered he stated in one of his channeling that people with Autism where stuck between dimensions. Thus their intellectual smarts and lack of social skills or concerns for others. I think there might be a lot of truth in what he says.

I do bring up FE when others are complaining about any of the world's ism's but never harp on it as you are right and I will only continue if they continue to ask questions. I will add the torsion aspect along with the ethereal though, as I think it does add legitimacy to the intellectual concept of how it works, so thanks for reminding me of that.

Well back to more learning and reading. Thanks for all the references with your writings as sometimes I do find the mass amount of material on your website quite daunting at times.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hello Everyone :)


Again, self-interest and the FE pursuit are like oil and water; they have never successfully mixed. The only people that have come anywhere close to success had saintly motivation. Those operating from self-interest are laughably easy to derail in this milieu.Wade please - you ought to find another contradiction quickly :)
Oil and water do mix after all [New Scientist, 19 February 2003] (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3408-oil-and-water-do-mix-after-all.html)

I would like to clarify two issues that bother me.

1) Wade, you say that "garage tinkering" will not produce any viable FE technology. What do you actually have on your mind?

My first understanding of your statement about garage inventor was that garage level technology is too low level to address FE technological challenge. My second thought was that it would be quite easy for GC to steal such device from somebody's house. Or even kill the tinkerer. And maybe frame another in that crime.

In one of your essays you described fellow traveler who build working device in his university lab. He was of course compromised in short time. And he did it second time at his friend's house with same results. I remember how I was angry with you when I had read that story two years ago. I have forgiven you. I feel compassion for you that I was angry at you. And I see your point now. But what about 10000+ "gold handcuffed" inventors? Were they not working in their garages? How about John Bedini, and his monopole motor and "Renaissance" battery chargers? They work. You can buy one with your CC. Why GC let them go? Is it because they are pretty sure that people would not "risk" their money? (regrettably including myself :( It is so strange).

But if Bedini is still alive (I have heard there was an attempt at his life) then maybe GC are losing they grip on world and it would be easier and easier every day for FE to enter market. Maybe it is a sign of more people raising their awareness?

2) Wade, I really appreciate your work and your presence in this lifetime. You helped me to avoid "the meat grinder" :). But please forgive me for that what I am about to write now. When I read your work I feel like there is no hope for FE happening. And it is not because you say of GC or lack of proper technology. It is because of integrity-scarcity. It is because you say that 99,99% of humanity is at level 0. It is true. But you talk like there is no chance we can change that. You talk like there is no hope for waking people up (please tell me I am wrong!). Just by thinking like that we actually make it happen. Please let us stop it now. I do not intend to talk people up in FE if I am not being asked for it. I think of wishing people to wake up. We can give them our "permission" to wake up. To believe they can do it. No matter what, no matter how and no matter when. I think of praying for people to wake them up. Maybe somebody prayed for us to wake up? Who knows? People can change themselves. And they do it all the time. Let us give them some of our free spiritual energy to help them make it :)

Best wishes
Robert

PS: I once tried to tinker. It was lower level than garage level ;) It was kitchen table level! ;) And I know that tinkerer is lurking somewhere waiting to pop up ;) Not for money. Yuck! I do not like money. I would rather like we all live in abundance without any "money". I know it will happen someday :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi, all. I am coming to a place where I really need to limit my activity in this forum for a while. There are too many other demands on my life, and I need to meet them, as well as get that essay written. I am planning on getting to where I only look at and respond to posts on the weekends. We will see how it goes.

Hi Sandy:

Good luck on the garden. My wish for my old age is to be a happy gardener. If I get to do that, it will be a good run. I am in the autism spectrum,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#circular

so I can relate to the “nerds.” :) I am closer to “normal” than Bill Gates, for instance, but I could never be a politician or a media personality. I am a hermit by nature. If we are dimension-straddling, according to that Pollyanna Zoosh, that makes some sense.

On the references, those are largely so that people can do their own homework. In college, I read the scientific specialist literature, for instance, but I pretty much will never refer to the specialized literature in my writings, partly because I am addressing the lay audience, by and large, and also because I read the popularized literature myself. When I read the specialized literature, especially in the sciences, it is rarely something that I am going to recommend to my readers.

Hi Robert. Yours is a timely post. First, I am going to write the post I was originally planning on writing, and then I will address your specific questions/observations.

If you have followed this thread, you will see many questions about FE inventors. My initial orientation to the energy issue was technological:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

and then from the business end of it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

Those are not my orientations anymore, and I am trying to do something different. While I enjoyed my interviews with Scott and Tom, for instance, and while I believe that those interviews have important information for would-be FE aspirants, it is not really the subject matter that I want to develop a conversation around. The Dennises, Bedinis, Beardens, and so on, are playing the FE inventor’s and businessman’s games. I do not play anymore, partly because it is life-risking behavior, and also because I never saw any good come from playing those games, and also because it encourages the public to play passive spectator, kind of like watching a horserace and alternately cheering or booing. While everybody gets swept up in the spectacle of heroes trying to scale the ramparts, the important issues, the ones that everybody should be thinking about, are ignored while everybody watches the horseraces. And when the horserace is over, they then flip the channel to Dancing with the Stars. To a large degree, the horseraces are a distraction to really making it happen, as paradoxical as that may seem. I am largely alone in the field with that understanding, I am sad to say, but I have to take my path.

With my recent interview with Brian (and I am going to do it again on Monday), the conversation once again swirled around some FE hero saving the day with his device. While I understand the sense of desperation that is palpable when the conversation deals with such subject matter, I am trying to mount a very different conversation. However, it looks like I have to deal with the karma of being involved with Dennis and inventors, because almost nobody has any interest in the FE issue unless somebody is scaling the ramparts. That dynamic is another big reason, IMO, why we do not have FE today. The public is fast asleep, awakening for a moment when somebody like Dennis begins to scale the ramparts, and they are amused or horrified when he falls in flames from the castle wall once again, and he has yet to get halfway up it. The FE pursuit as a NASCAR spectacle is not productive activity, as far as I have seen.

FE prototypes have been publicly demonstrated many, many times over many years. Moray’s device was observed many times by scientists from around the world, and disassembled and reassembled. That was back in the 1930s, and many other demonstrations have been made since then, publicly, by people like Trombly, doing it right in downtown Manhattan, and with people like Sparky Sweet mailing working prototypes to the big energy institutions. They were lambs to the slaughter, all of them. And, a demonstrable prototype is a long, long way from something that is market ready. The gulf between those two is on the order of hundreds of millions of dollars. FE tinkerers do not have a prayer, not in today’s world. I am always going to discourage that dangerous newcomer foolishness.

My upcoming essay is intended to put a pretty big stake in the ground that I can begin to mount a conversation around, a conversation that is not concerned with the latest FE aspirant and his attempts to scale the ramparts. Once awareness of the important issues grows (and it will be in a very small audience; I have no illusions that the masses are going to be interested), then that vital nugget of awareness may be on its way to being built.

That nugget of awareness has always been missing from all efforts that I ever witnessed. That is the heart-centered sentience that I write about. It is an awareness of how energy runs the world and always has, how the energy situation has propelled evolution, how humanity’s activities have always been primary concerned with the acquisition, preservation and use of energy, and how the energy situation has shaped all of our civilizations, ideologies and so forth. Then, and only then, does the potential of FE begin to truly be understood, understood in a way that is not distracted by the latest horserace, the latest aspirant, the latest “solution” bandied about by the establishment, etc. I am going to be aiming high, and when I get that invitation-only forum going, it is not going to be dominated by questions about the latest FE aspirant and whether he has it or not. I am not going to allow those questions, except in passing. That is a kind of voyeuristic activity, and people like Dennis have encouraged it, which is partly why I have to keep fielding questions or posts on the latest aspirant, over and over and over. Impatience is my Achilles heel, and when I do stuff like post at Avalon, I get to work on my issue, repeatedly. :)

Again, I am really trying to do something different, so different that I have never seen anybody come close to trying it. Some of what Brian does can appear close at times, but he is trying to build an inventor’s sanctuary in Ecuador, and is working with people who want to go try to scale the ramparts. Been there, done that, repeatedly. I am not interested anymore, especially when I see the aspirants lining up to scale the ramparts, and very few of them even have a scratch on their armor yet. I see them play boy-general, with their strategies that clearly demonstrate that they have never really been on the battlefield. Nobody has ever played the game at Dennis’s level before (he was putting disruptive energy technology on the market, in a way that nobody else has ever come close to doing), and when I see the aspirants line up, as they boast of how they will slay the dragon, I really don’t want to watch. If any aspirant ends up scaling the ramparts, it will be because he was allowed to, not due to his unique virtue.

So, on to your questions/observations, and it is fine for you to pose them. To your first question, I hope that the text above answered it. Before a tinkerer ever gets the public’s attention to any significant degree, he will attract Godzilla’s attention. The tinkerers, however, almost universally deny that situation, with the most naïve thinking that Godzilla does not even exist or can be reasoned with, or they think that they can sneak past Godzilla, wake up the villagers quickly enough that Godzilla will shy away, think that they will fire the arrow that brings Smaug down, and so forth. I have more than hinted at it in my writings and this thread: when Godzilla begins to munch on you, not only do your friends, family and “allies” not try to defend you, they actually cheer Godzilla on and help feed you to him. Again, nobody wants to believe that…..until they have been there. And by then, it is too late. As I talked about in this segment with Scott,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI39RzWxCOQ

it was pretty incredible to watch all the media lies about us when the sledgehammer came down, and the capper for me was reading a several-thousand-word LA Times “investigative report" on us. I have rarely bothered to read or watch a media account of Dennis ever since, except to witness the bold-faced lies told by people like Mr. Skeptic, as he took off his mask for all with eyes to see:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

Once they remove their masks, I am finished with them, but it is amazing to watch other "hip" people in the field fall under their spell:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

The establishment and their minions can simply make it up as they go. But the worst part was not that the media is such a lie factory, and that my friends, family and “allies” bought the lies hook, line and sinker, but a number of them even piled on, even those who got hit by Godzilla’s tail. They knew that Godzilla was evil, as were his minions in the media and government establishment, but they believed that if they got on their knees and worshipped him, that he would not lash them again with his tail. One close family member even made a scrapbook from all of those lying articles and took it on tour to my friends, family and investors, telling the story of “Wade the Crook.” I think that most people have to experience it to understand, unfortunately.

So, when I hear of the next FE tinkerer, thinking that he is going to go scale the ramparts, I want to cry, but I usually laugh instead. But, almost nobody wants to hear about how reality works, thinking that they have it all figured out, and that if they get a FE prototype going, the “magic of capitalism” or other magic carpet will take them to The Promised Land. Those are fatal delusions, but again, tapping the ZPF is a lot harder than it looks, so most FE tinkerers are masturbating and will not get in too much trouble, other than blowing their life’s savings and wrecking their marriages while pursuing their delusions of grandeur.

To your first question, it is both; the FE tinkerer will never be able to make anything production-ready, and if he taps the ZPF, seizing it is child’s play for the Big Boys. If the tinkerer is “lucky,” he will get the friendly buyout offer. If he is not so lucky, his life will be wrecked, and many have had their lives prematurely terminated, and not only by Godzilla. Godzilla is the undisputed King of the Jungle, but the jungle is also filled with T-Rexes and velociraptors.

On the Bedinis and other FE tinkerers, maybe, just maybe, a stampede of tinkerers can trample Godzilla, but as I have said many times, the only prayer that I see for the tinkerer route is for the tinkerer with the goods to give it to a worthy group. Since virtually all tinkerers do it to get rich and famous, I have never met one who was willing to give it away, if by some miracle he actually tapped the ZPF in his garage or workshop. I have also never seen or heard of that worthy group, and that is because of my primary lesson that also is something that nobody wants to admit (unless they actually get some experience on the high road): personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

It is related to your second question. The numbers are the numbers. They aren’t good or bad, they just are. Only one-in-many-thousands of people possesses the personal integrity to get very far along the FE path, and 99.99% of humanity is trapped in the early layers of the FE onion. Those are the numbers, and wishing that they were different might seem comforting, but it does not address reality. These are the beings that we share the planet with, as painful as it can be to admit. As I have written about many times, newcomers almost invariably try to see if my work can be used to reach the masses, or they try their own way, hoping to sneak past people’s ego mechanisms so that they can glimpse FE and its potential. That is a foolish and understandable dream, but everybody who gets into this field has to go through that phase, it seems. The average person will wake up to FE when it is delivered to his home, as Machiavelli observed long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

Anybody hoping for something different has not been on the high road for very long. But, that certainly does not mean that I have given up. My work is not designed for the masses, to cater to their self-serving delusions, and so forth. I am seeking people who do not need their ego stroked, who do not need to be paid to think about the truth, who have a hunger for the truth and are willing to get out of their easy chairs to pursue it. Those people are about one-in-a-thousand in the general population, but they are my target audience. Before the advent of the Internet, there was simply no feasible way to try to reach them, but I am taking advantage of this new technology to try. Again, I have no illusions or even desire to think that I am going to reach Joe Average. I have watched my “peers,” even ones who thought that they were hip, blow a fuse when reading introductory parts of my site such as this:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#progress

I have seen them go off like Roman candles, as my pals thought they would introduce their “hip” friends to my work. I have seen friendships end over my work. It has been pretty painful to watch that happen, and I highly discourage people from introducing my work to their friends and family, hoping to see their eyes light up in recognition. Prime Time is not ready for my work, and it is naïve to think so. I have an American college professor pal who reads that “losers” section, which I linked to above, to his college classes. When he finishes reading it, the class just sits there, stunned. He has tenure, so has not been fired for reading it, yet. :)

But, if enough of those “one-in-a-thousand” can lay aside all of those scarcity-based ideologies long enough:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

to learn to sing the abundance song (and not to their friends and family! Not now), maybe what I am attempting to mount can go somewhere. I have not really even begun, but one day before long, I hope to. This thread, for instance, is stuck in all of the beginner’s questions and observations. That is OK. It is a phase that everybody seems to need to go through, but it is really at the first step of a very long journey of understanding how the world really works, what the opportunities and dangers are, and so forth. There are no short cuts. A few people on this thread seem to be taking me seriously, and will be listening when I embark on what I hope to achieve. I am not expecting it to be a large audience, but I am aiming for quality, not quantity. It is very possible that what I learned cannot be taught, but people need a little taste of the meat grinder before they can begin to wake up to reality. I really hope that is not the case, because if it is, my efforts may well be for naught, and this is one of the last untried avenues on this quest. Very few people can survive the meat grinder for more than a moment.

Again, it is natural to want to tell your friends and family the “good news” of FE, but I am trying to do something different. When a choir is formed, instead of those who have awakened being squeaky lone voices in the wilderness, maybe more will be able to hear a choir, but it will not be Joe Average, but more on the fringes of those who are waking up. If enough of the “one-in-a-thousand” can form a choir, maybe they can reach some of those “one-in-a-hundred” people. It would not take many awakened people to make FE happen, not really. A hundred heroes or an abundance choir of ten thousand would be more than enough to make it happen. With nearly seven billion of us in the pool of possible contenders, I am not asking for much.

This is not easy stuff; it is not sexy, and it obviously demands patience that few can muster, but it is a path that nobody has tried before, as far as I have seen. It is not “elite,” in that anybody can do it. There is no net-worth or educational requirement, although I plan to have a pretty cerebral conversation, the kind that New Agers are rarely qualified to engage in. I am looking for people with a love of the truth and a willingness to get out of their easy chairs to pursue it. While that may seem easy, it is not. In a world of scarcity, people cling to the delusions that feed them. Their “truth” rarely ventures beyond their immediate self-interest, and they do so out of fear. As I said in my recent interview with Brian, if FE was publicly available, people might begin to emerge from their shells and would eventually leave behind all the subtle, fear-based games that are played almost universally in today’s world.

I have no illusions that even many in Avalon are going to begin to understand. While I highly appreciate what Bill has done at Avalon to keep it from becoming another ATS:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll2

you are one of the very few people at Avalon with the courage to use your own name. And using your own name is about one-thousandth of the courage needed to try scaling the FE ramparts. Look at all the people who not only do not use their names, but the pictures they post of themselves look like they came from a Lord of the Rings convention, trying to look like Gandalf or Arwen, etc. Dennis is the only person I know of on the planet who can successfully complete this application:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

One of my close pals took exception to that list of qualifications and said, "Hey, Mandela would qualify!" My reply was, "OK, now we have two!" Mandela actually would not qualify, either, but fifty Mandelas might just be enough to make scaling the ramparts a feasible strategy. But two do not have a prayer. But, I am not looking for heroes to go scale the ramparts, and when I see anonymous people pose like Gandalf and think that they can lead the charge or sneak past Godzilla, I shake my head, sometimes with a wry smile, but usually in sorrow.

My effort may also be another path of delusion, but I am not risking anybody's life, except maybe my own (I hope not, but you never know), to try it.

I hope that that addressed your questions.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Gee Wade,

The last chuck(post) of reality was pretty heavy to digest, however the truth can be brutal to one's sense or belief in humankind for sure. I have been through much drama, turmoil, danger and violence in my life however nothing to the level of what Dennis has been through. For him to continue to be optimistic to this day is something that is spiritual as no ego could withstand the shattering and still come back believing and continuing the original dream. There is no doubt about your admiration for this man and no doubt he is worthy of such. It is sad that his journey has been so difficult and makes me wonder about his choices and souls destiny,

Glad to hear you on going to spend more time doing what is a priority for you and will be happy to hear how it is going for you on the weekends. I'll try to keep my questions to a minimum. :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Yes, I put some “heavy” stuff out there, but it is only the truth as I see it. I am not going to sugar-coat it, because that is trying to dance around the ego, and we have to put our egos in the back seat if we are going to get over the hump. The truth will set us free, and until people understand how the land lays, they go haring off in all manner of unproductive and dangerous directions. Many do not believe me or are “skeptical,” and have to go find out for themselves, if they can ever extract themselves from their easy chairs. For those that do, I wish them the best in surviving the education that they are about to begin. :)

The hardships that you have been through in your life are partly why you are here on this thread, if I may be so bold. If people have not tasted the reality of how this world really stacks up, they are easily led astray. You can see it in this thread, and it is something that I have seen for many years now: most who have some understanding of what I am saying are not Americans. Very few Americans want to hear what I have to say, because it destroys their nationalistic conceits:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm

Even in the USA, when I find people who begin to understand, they almost invariably are not born in the USA, but are immigrants who did not drink the American-flavored Kool-Aid when young. When my mid-life crisis crested in 2006 with my invitation to the White House (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#crisis), and my wife again began insisting that I get professional help, I had to approach four different professionals before I could get one to treat me, and it was the first non-American (an Iraqi, of all things). The rest could not handle what I had been through. It either blew away their beliefs of how the USA really worked (one thought that I was an Axis-II, because this brief recounting of my experiences - http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm - could not possibly be accurate, but was the product of a deeply sick mind :) ), or they thought that the CIA would come visit them because they treated me. It was a frustrating process.

As I have mentioned on this thread before, everybody that I have seen play at the high levels comes to a moment when they are disgusted with humanity, but those still active learned to overcome it, and they overcame it with love. Mark Twain and Albert Einstein, two of the greatest people that the West has yet produced, gave up on humanity at the end of their lives. It is easy to see why, for both of them.

Dennis is truly one-of-a-kind. I have had many psychic readings and private channelings over the years; they have usually been mind-blowing, and my journey with Dennis and others was usually the central theme. Dennis is on some sort of special assignment, as am I and a few others who were centrally involved. Being on a special assignment can seem to be a very dubious blessing, I can tell you. I will be picking up the pieces of my shattered life for the rest of my days, but I have no regrets. I would not have learned what I did without taking that ride.

If our full story was publicly told, it would seem way over-the-top preposterous. That voice in my head:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice2

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice3

as dramatic as that might seem, was quite tame compared to what Dennis and others experienced.

I mentioned it on this thread, I believe, but when I lived with Dennis in Boston and we began our Big Days together, he said that people really cared, but did not have anything to care about, and we were going to give them something to care about:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#chasing

With no other frame of reference, yet, I believed him. Fast forward ten years, when I briefly went back to work for him in New Jersey, and he admitted that almost nobody really cares, but that he was sifting through the mine tailings of humanity, looking for the flakes of gold. He is still sifting today, and still playing his Indiana Jones role, with the federal government hounding him and him enduring all manner of nightmare, and he does it happily. He is a better man than me, and I have a difficult time understanding what makes him tick. I was there for many of his craziest adventures, and I have a difficult time understanding what he lived through.

The Big Boys have taken Dennis very seriously since the big takedown in Seattle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

That billion dollar bribe was just part of the attention that he has received:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

He was certainly at least a one-percent problem for them. That bribe might rank in the top five incredible events that he experienced, but it might not.

Someday, I may be able to tell the whole story, and if I do, it will seem like some very tall tale-telling. I was there for a great deal of the fireworks, and sometimes I sit back and wonder if it really happened like it did, because so many events were far larger than life.

But, I have no more desire for adventures, and am taking a decidedly different path than being Indiana Jones’s sidekick. I do not want any more rides like that one. In some ways, what I am attempting to do can be seen as support activity for the Indiana Jones stuff, but what I really hope for is that an abundance choir makes it so that Indiana Jones’s heroics are not needed anymore.

I have no idea if what I am trying is going to help get us over the hump, but it was something that I never saw anybody else try before. I have some ideas of what I may be able to help catalyze, but I am really making it up as I go. I know that an aware and engaged public is a huge part of what is missing, but a mass movement must necessarily cater to the lowest-common-denominator, and you cannot out-herd the shepherd. Because I am aiming higher, there will be less of a “mass,” but from what I saw, there really do not need to be that many awakened people to move humanity over the hump. There were only a handful of us at the core, and for a while, what we were doing had the Big Boys’ full attention.

I have a long weekend ahead of me, and hope to get some work done on that essay, so I had better get at it.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wade and friends,

I am in a hurry today but I just thought I'd chime in.

I thank you Wade for solidifying my own ideas in this area. I am especially thankful to learn there are others out there in the world with similar mindsets. Abundance minded thinking is a pickle, but it can be acheived through direct conscious awareness - Raising the level of vibration to where abundance is fact. (As an aside, a lot of us here on this forum seem to be of the Sumari race, according to Seth. I'm not sure if that is of much significance...)

Anyways, those are my scattered thoughts on this hectic day.

Peace,
Ernie

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As I have been doing my research on the energy essay, I want to make a post on an aspect of the FE situation and establishment science, which will be quite germane to my essay.

Although history’s greatest physicists were a bunch of mystics (Hawking’s recent embarrassing materialistic spectacle aside – but Sagan writing the intro to A Brief History of Time was telling):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#mystical

their understandings are completely missing from the annals of establishment science, and people like Carl Sagan endlessly debunked anything that strayed from the materialistic party-line, and Sagan was a typically dishonest practitioner of the trade:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#sagan

as has been the case with virtually every “skeptic” that I ever encountered, with Dennis’s chief “skeptical” assailant guilty of breathtaking dishonesty:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

His blatant dishonesty is actually a badge of honor amongst the “skeptical” and media establishment, as he has been prominently featured in all of the national TV shows that have been broadcast on Dennis in the past dozen years or so. That he is a media darling is pretty much all that I would need to present to prove what fraudulent institutions the mainstream media and organized skepticism are, but I have also spent a long, long time analyzing the media and how it performs:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#big

It can be argued that, “OK, the media is a fraudulent lie factory, but institutional science is guided by the scientific method and if anything is legitimate, science will validate it.” Bucky Fuller remarked on the naïveté of scientists:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#naive

and how science had been intentionally made into a slave profession by the capital class, with science’s practitioners wearing specialist blinders, never seeing the forest, but becoming tree specialists instead.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#slave

That kind of tunnel vision is beginning to wane, with the increasing multi-disciplinary efforts being made in recent years. Will that trend be enough to get us over the hump?

But even at the specialist level, down in the “bedrock” of science, many “anomalies” are pointedly ignored, to the point where it cannot be admitted that the ignorance is anything but intentional. Kuhn’s “normal science”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#introduction

cannot explain the innumerable instances of active denial that institutional science has engaged in. There is no such thing as pure science, and the more that “alternative” science threatens entrenched political-economic interests, the more that not only active ignoring takes place, but also inquisitorial behavior rears its head, and institutional scientists fully play along, as they keep their careers in their soft berths intact. I am going to provide several indisputable examples, examples that sit there in the full light of day today, and are not only ignored by establishment science, but many of them have been subjected to “holy war” tactics, as the establishment seeks to destroy all of the disquieting data.

Recently, another person who has tried to resurrect Rife’s work has gone to prison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rife#Modern_revival.2C_marketing.2C_and_health_fraud

If you look across the Internet, all that you will see in the establishment accounts is what a fraud Rife was, and even when establishment scientists supposedly investigated his microscope, it is always dismissed, and more than suggested that it was an elaborate Rube Goldberg device that was mainly for show. Fortunately, images survive that Rife’s scope took back in the 1930s, images that proved that it attained its “impossible” resolutions:

http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0012a.htm#8

In light of the micrographs that survive, it is mind-boggling that the denial persists in the scientific establishment. That the debunkers and other hatchetmen of the medical and scientific establishments had evil agendas is hard to dispute, but what about the rest of the scientists, supposedly on a quest for data, truth and a better way? The silence has been deafening. Gaston Naessens independently invented a microscope like Rife’s, back in the 1940s. The images from his scope not only survive, but the microscopes exist today and can be looked through by anybody who wants to take the time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#naessens

But look at the Wikipedia page that comes up when you hunt for Naessens:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Naessens

Not only is his microscope not even mentioned, the only references from that Wikipedia page, maintained by an extremely ardent troll, are to debunkers like Stephen Barrett:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#barrett

and racketeering organizations like the American Cancer Society:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#steal

On the subject of those microscopes, it is a variation of a famous saying, “Who are you going to believe, the scientific establishment and its debunkers or your lying eyes?” :)

If it was just suppressing some devices, that would be one thing, but the findings of those microscopes completely overturn the foundations of today’s biology. Because Rife’s and Naessens’s scopes used light instead of electrons, they did not kill what they looked at, and the movies of life processes taken by those scopes reveal a completely different world than the snapshots of death that electron microscopes show. It is stupefying that such a situation exists right under the nose of the scientific establishment, and when I have tried getting scientists to look into it, I have watched them devolve to drooling infants before my eyes, with shaky laughter, shrieks of denial, etc. The implications of not only the findings of those microscopes, but of the completely different paradigm of biology that it points to, terrifies such “scientists.”

That situation is just one of many that I am aware of. The way that the transmutational effects of Brown’s Gas are completely missing from the Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

is another typical instance of the censorship that exists, even in the so-called hard sciences, even though the Brown’s Gas transmutational experiment has been conducted at least a hundred times. I talk some about it in my second interview with Scott:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html

and write about it here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#yull

Brown’s Gas is just one of several ways to neutralize radioactive material:

http://pacenet.homestead.com/Transmutation.html

As you can read in Michrowski’s report above, U.S. Congressman Berkeley Bedell and New York State Assemblyman Dan Haley goaded the DOE into at least witnessing the transmutation experiment with Brown’s Gas. In another account that I read long ago, the DOE personnel, with Geiger Counters in hand, not only tried to hide as the experiment was performed, but their first act upon leaving the facility was contacting the authorities, telling them that “dangerous experiments” were taking place at Yull’s facility, and that Los Angeles County had better shut down Brown, and quickly. Their attempt to shut down Brown did not work, and the DOE personnel eventually produced a report on the experiment that they witnessed. Even though the before and after radiation counts were indisputable, the DOE “scientists” produced a report that explained away the findings with highly curious and untested logic. The real scientists working with Brown tested all the reasons for the DOE personnel to dismiss the findings that their Geiger Counters told them, and found that none of them were valid. Haley then went public with the findings:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#haley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NWtX7IZYjM&amp

To this day, the Brown’s Gas transmutation experiments are treated by the scientific establishment as if they never happened. The Brown’s Gas transmutation effects are in the same class of reactions as Cold Fusion, which has also been reproduced many times:

http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/keyexpdata.html

Even more strangely, Dennis’s heat pump defied none of the “laws of physics,” and is still the best heating system that has ever been on the world market:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#new

But you will never see it admitted by Mr. Skeptic and his friends in the scientific establishment, courts and media.

Whether Dennis’s idea of marrying heat engines to his heat pump’s panels to produce FE is valid is an open question to me, and people like Mallove left the door open to its potential:

http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/faq.html#Q34

In summary, the giants of physics were mystics, and they knew that “science” had nothing to say about consciousness and other dimensions, but even in areas of “hard science,” with indisputable data on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions and optical microscopes with “impossible” resolutions, establishment science spends a great deal of effort acting as if that data does not exist. The same mentality denied that the Wright brothers were flying through the air, for five years after they first did so:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#wright

As Brian O said, the collective denial of the scientific establishment is greater today than it was in the Wright brothers’ era.

And all of that leaves aside what the high level players are very well aware of, as far as what the real state of science is in the Above Top Secret world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

People like Brian O know very well about that Above Top Secret technology (which I discussed about twenty minutes into this clip : http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html ) that the scientific establishment’s scientists either deny exist (irrationally dismissing it as a “conspiracy theory”) or will not talk about, for “national security” reasons. Today’s physics texts are cave drawings, when compared to the principles that all that “Above Top Secret” technology works under.

I wrote an essay on the layman’s quandary, where sorting out the bogus from the genuine is a daunting task for the layman:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/orthodox.htm

Most of what hails from the fringes is not valid, but that does not mean that it all is, and that is part of the problem. People constantly approach me with fringe claims, asking me to look into them. Very little of that stuff, even if valid, really has much impact on the big picture of the human trajectory. Energy always has been and always will be the big one, with pretty much everything else down the scale of importance, so I am doing my best to keep my eye on the ball, and my upcoming essay is intended to help educate laymen on the energy issue, so more of us can keep our eye on the ball.

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

Good to hear from you. Yes, we may be Sumari, or former Atlanteans, or former Lemurians (or all of the above and more :) ), and if enough of us come together, then maybe we can do something worthwhile. Today, I was just reading something on Blue Rays:

http://spiritlibrary.com/shekina-rose/blue-ray-transmissions/are-you-from-the-blue-ray

and a lot of it rang true for me. I don’t know what to make of it all. I have been told by a source that I respect that I am from the “gardener” soul group that helped design Earth School, and as I write this, I realize that I mentioned my gardening desires just yesterday in this forum. Cue up some more Twilight Zone music. In the same channeling session, I was told that I was retiring from active duty, letting the new generation take over. Well, that was more than twenty years ago, so I guess that I am not quite retired yet. :)

May your days become a little less hectic,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I was asked a question this morning about the Rife scope and how to find out more, and the respondent half-apologized for asking the question, because it was not related to the FE conundrum. I let the querent know that it is related to the FE conundrum.

This gives is a good overview of the technical aspects of Rife's scopes, and keep going to the next pages.

http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0012.htm

As does this:

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/rife.htm

And Bearden went pretty technical on it.

http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/rifemicroscope.htm

I was introduced to alternative medicine before I was introduced to alternative energy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#lessons

and right after I got clobbered by the energy racket, I went straight to a company that got clobbered by the medical racket:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#experience

The Rife microscope is an example of how rock solid data and the related technology is banished, along with the paradigm-shattering findings that come from them. The energy and medical rackets operate similarly, and one of the key principles is that the “white science” behind both are like cave drawings compared to what is really known, but the truth would destroy the rackets. The mind-boggling part of both rackets is not the evil-minded people that run them, but how the herd of “scientists” quickly falls in line. The Rockefellers are key players in the early days of both rackets, surprise, surprise. :)

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#rockefeller

Unlike the Rife scope, which was largely wiped out, Naessens’s somatoscope is still going strong. If you study not only the active ignoring of the data, but the endless inquisitorial behavior, with trolls running places like Wikipedia on the subjects, it can be a very educational process.

You can see how the troll that camped on my primary thread at ATS:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll2

also dominated the conversation at the FE suppression talk page on Wikipedia. I am about half convinced that the guy was working with Mr. Skeptic, because Mr. Skeptic always crashed whatever forum I joined, and anybody who featured my work would soon get a visit from him as he spewed his disinformation. At ATS, he never showed up, but when an ATS member invited me into another forum while I was in ATS, Mr. Skeptic quickly showed up in that forum (that was the New Agey one that wiped my forum out, and I was banned from ATS around the same time – which is partly why I am so grateful to Bill for keeping the trolls and assailants at bay). So, either he saw the trolls chewing on me at ATS and did not feel like he had to get involved, or they were somehow allied. I do not like thinking that “conspiratorially,” but too many “coincidences” get my radar up.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I am going to do my best to adhere to my "silent during the week," or at least "silent during the day," vow, but early this morning I received a query on the dark pathers and how they operate, and perhaps how they might act in a forum like this.

The good news is that with how Bill has gone about mounting this forum, the Internet trolls will find it more challenging than usual to perform their standard mischief. Because this is only "talk," the dark pathers are less interested in disrupting these kinds of activities. They are more interested in inflicting their deeds on those who "do," especially in the FE game. However, what I saw on my journey may be instructive regarding how this forum operates and those who want to ruin it, and, believe me, many interests would like to. Internet censorship and related activities are rearing their head. People like me may not have avenues to reach the public like this for very long, although I hope that the light will prevail on this issue.

On my site, I give four examples of encounters that we had with dark pathers, or people who acted just like them.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#darkness

They always came off like Boy Scouts in their initial approaches, and their act worked on enough people for long enough for them to work their dark magic. With the BPA hit man, Dennis strongly suspected who he was immediately, but allowed him to come in. I never heard that Dennis regretted that decision, but that man's actions led to somebody's death, and that event radicalized Dennis in his pursuit of alternative energy.

The next two examples were Mr. Texas and Mr. Deputy, and it sure looked like they played an inside-outside job on our Ventura operation to take it down (a similar game was played in Seattle).

Mr. Skeptic's activities are not as evil as what those other people did, but he is definitely playing the dark path game, and perhaps consciously. The dark path is not always consciously chosen, at least in the beginning. But eventually, the nature of the game becomes evident to those who play it, and they have to kill off their conscience to "progress" very far along that path.

The problem with dark pathers is that their act can be a good one, at least for a while. But they all eventually take their masks off, and they often do it in a way where they know that you know their game, but they also know that their game still works on the others, and that you can't do much about it. People may have to experience it to understand. For instance, the naïveté of Mr. Skeptic's pals in the FE movement (yes, he is a part of it, believe it or not) has been very painful to witness. I have tried to warn people off of him, to no avail. They think that they can "handle" him, and so on. When Mr. Texas made his move in Ventura, many people around me were completely sucked in by his act, even though it was blatantly obvious to me and I tried warning people, and they scoffed at me. They later got the dagger in their backs from Mr. Texas.

Anyway, in this forum, since it is only talk, the efforts of trolls to disrupt it will probably be limited, but you never know. If this forum succeeds in raising awareness, it will be targeted. In forums like ATS, the trolls can come in with both guns blazing, like that ATS troll did who camped on my thread:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll2

but in a place like Avalon, they will have to do their best to look like sheep at first, not wolves, and some may bide their time until they see their opportunity to do the most damage. Their actions can be pretty blatant, or they may play Pied Piper and seek to lead as many people astray as possible. In the FE game, anybody who advocates coercion of anybody is going to be the weak link, due to their Young Warrior delusions, or they will be provocateurs. Only in Hollywood do the "good guys" defeat the "bad guys" in battle. As far as the seeking the light is concerned, in "battle," everybody is a loser. It may help Young Warriors wake up to the futility of violence, and everybody involved has a lesson to learn from the process, but it sure is useless for manifesting something that could look a lot like heaven on Earth. The means become the ends. I learned the truth of that one many times over the years.

That is enough for now.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

I hope that others can do their own visioning, improve on what I see is possible, and can help raise humanity's collective awareness and spirit to where we may have a chance of leaping the octave into real, true abundance.




Hi Wade, I'm disappointed in myself for being late to this party, but better late than never. It seems we have the best of both worlds going on, you're happy to be here, and we're happy you're here. I'm only on page 11 so far, but your statement above seems to me to be where you like to come home to roost in how you see the change will occur. To my crude understanding of quantum physics you're saying not mind over matter, but mind equals matter. The 100th monkey thing so to speak?


Cheers,
Fred

[Wade Frazier]

Ah, my flagging self-discipline! :)

Anybody joining the party these days is definitely coming early, Fred, so do not worry about being late.

This conundrum is the most intricate one that I know of, and consciousness is key. I write about heart-centered sentience plenty. It has to be both heart and head, but the heart has to lead. If you are not familiar with this chart, it would be helpful, if only to become familiar with my frame of reference.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

I am doing another interview with Brian today, and Brian talked in our previous interview about how people can align themselves with the abundance concept in spirit, but vanishingly few have a practical orientation. There are deep spiritual and "practical" components of the conundrum, and they are related. However, I am trying to amass some Level 12s, not Level 19s. A few Level 19s walk the planet today, but for the rest of us, Level 12 is the next step, and it is practical. I know that FE technology exists, but "merely" getting to Level 12 is like walking the razor's edge, and that really has nothing to do with mystical ability, but just keeping one's mind on the high road while listening to one's heart.

For the very few who get past Level 5, they almost always end up stuck in Levels 6 to 11. No lone inventor is going to save the day, especially those who chase after patents and money. Those avenues are closed off in today's world. If enough people could become Level 12s, then the inventor approach has some potential, but only if the inventor gives it to a worthy group. I have yet to meet that inventor or that worthy group. My efforts can be seen as trying to help develop that worthy group, but we are a long, long way away from forming that group. Others have tried forming that group, but they never survived for long as they went haring off in all directions like chasing money, chasing after the government, playing Young Warrior, and so on.

On one hand, becoming a Level 12 may seem simple, but a Level 12 seems to have to give up all the scarcity-based ideologies that they have been fed to begin to see the light, and very few people have been able to let go of the isms:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

The journey to becoming a Level 12 is anything but easy. I have only encountered a handful in my lifetime. One of the many traps is thinking that chasing after money and the powerful, etc., is Level 12 behavior, when it really is not.

There are not any easy answers to this conundrum. Love can do it, but that is humanity's scarcest commodity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

Not many people want to admit that, and that denial is also part of the conundrum.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

Oh yes, 11 pages is already plenty to be familiar with your charts Wade, most useful. Strangely, I had already discovered and accepted the ZPF possibilities shortly befoe the day came when most of my other cherished isms were ripped out of my fragile eggshell mind. The irate warrior path that directly ensued did not last long for two reasons that occured to me pretty much simultaneously:

1) My life, my marriage, and my sanity were being destroyed.

2) It hit me like a brick between the eyes that the answer to the world of fear and oppression revealed to me was to build a new world based on love and compassion, not trials and mass executions.

That changed everything.


Cheers,
Fred

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Fred:

Congratulations on skipping through level 9. Levels 6, 7, 9 and 10 are dangerous Levels to be in, but Level 9 can hurt far more people than just yourself, as you could quickly tell. Anger is one of the Seven Deadly Sins for good reason:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#vices

Yep, love is the only way out.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I did another interview yesterday with Brian O and David Gibbons, and Jeane Manning also joined us. It looks like those talks will continue. Brian is stirring things up in Ecuador. It looks like I am going to do an interview about one of my favorite essays, which is my lessons learned essay:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm

It is kind of the fruit of my journey, as far as making FE happen is concerned. What a long, strange trip it was. One interesting aspect of my journey and when I talk about it, in interviews and elsewhere, is that all of us long-time FE activists “on the outside” have had rough journeys, one and all. But, I also know that FE technology has been extensively developed in the Above Top Secret world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

The reactions to that testimony have been widely varied. The trolls and other establishment defenders naturally dismiss all of it as they lie about my journey, and so on. Others want to get into the nitty-gritty details of that event, but I purposely do not know the nitty-gritty details, because such knowledge can be hazardous to have, and not only to me. Others wish that I would not talk about that event, because it can blunt the motivation of activists trying to scale the FE ramparts. Who wants to spend their life scaling the ramparts, when they know that people are lounging around on top, sitting on the goodies that those activists have spent their lives trying to create?

As I said in my most recent interview with Scott:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html

If I had to put my money on it, I would bet that none of the rampart scalers are going to save the day, not directly, but the near-term fate of humanity will be decided by the struggles that are happening at the Global Controller level. A very likely scenario is that some rampart-scaler is going to get near the top of the ramparts, finally, and just about as he grasps the topmost railing, the castle doors open below and the King and his minions will “coincidentally” trot out some of their Golden Hoard to the masses, which will include FE and anti-gravity. Dennis and I hoped that we would be those rampart-scalers, dangling from the railing as the King wheeled out the goodies through the portcullis far below us. Then we could say, “You won” ( :) ) and retire from rampart-scaling.

However, learning is never wasted, and the curriculum that I am going to offer, to those who can lay aside their scarcity-based conditioning long enough to imagine abundance, will not become obsolete if the King wheels out some “amazing breakthrough achieved just last week!” ( :) ). If that scene plays out, the fun will only begin. It will take a bit of work to make heaven on Earth manifest, but once the organized suppression and the Orc fight over FE technology ends, then it should be pretty fun work. I hope that I live to see the day when the real Heaven-on-Earth groundwork is laid.

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[zebowho]

Hello Wade,
I just have to say, this is one the very few threads I subscribe to and is worth every byte!

I used to think the efforts of bringing about FE would be a long and tried road, which I know has been for many but these days, I wonder. With all the talk about (and seeing myself) people "waking up" everywhere, I think your approach is spot on, especially now. Granted a good portion of the population needs a picture of the picture to maybe cross the line of belief. I believe that gap is closing.

The world is changing and I believe many things are coming to a tipping point. On a global scale, I don't think humanity can take too much more status quo . Everything appears to be stretching at the seams and this just may be the energy needed for your approach. I have nothing to base this on other than a strong gut feeling so for the moment we can chalk this up to "IMHO".

Even though I haven't gotten involved in the "garage tinkerer" aspect, I have read a lot on FE, as well as the accounts of those who actually had to deal with the ugly side of it. Because of that, I've spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out how something like this needs to be brought out in the open. I have ideas but I'll not post them here. Suffice it to say, I Totally agree, the approach on that end Needs to come from a different place, a place of integrity and complete selflessness.

I'm curious how many level 12's are keeping up with this thread, not who they are but just how many and if this is growing?

-z

[Wade Frazier]

Hi zebowho:

I am glad that you are getting something out of this thread. Yes, I have always hoped that we FE revolutionaries were only slightly ahead of our time. Yes, status quo is the path to disaster, and the BP Gulf Spill and the Fukushima catastrophe are only symptoms of our collective malaise.

Yes, the tinkerer path to FE is part of the conundrum. Even the inventor with the best of intentions, and there are probably at least a few of them out there, although I never met one (Jeane says that she has, and Dennis said he met one, once, who died in his company's parking lot – another "coincidence"?), is not going to get materials for free from the supply houses because his intentions are noble, so he either goes into hock or his friends do, or he plays the capitalist game. That issue is part of the conundrum, and making something for industrial production will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and nobody can do that and run under the radar. The tinkerers cannot run under the radar, much less an industrial effort.

So, yes, something radically different in approach is needed. What I am doing here, and have been doing for the past twenty years or so, is intended to help create a more fertile field so that a radically different approach might have a chance. With an unaware and unengaged public, the FE revolutionaries are easily picked off, one at a time. People who only tune in for the spectacle are not going to be any help at this stage. The awareness of the "core" that I hope to help create may be vital, and not really monetarily, but just holding the issue in the light of their awareness, and maybe making some noise about it (that choir that I envision), may be able to create "harmonic" effects that we currently cannot fathom.

Although I do not want to hear from that voice again, not if it is going to send me on any more suicide missions, I think that what I am doing is my idea, but I have a sinking feeling that they "injected" it into my subconscious, so when it eventually popped up, I thought that it was "my" idea. When I pass over, I am going to have a long, long talk with whoever sent me on this mission. :)

On the Level 12 lurkers, I do not know. I am trying to throw out the best seed that I can, and we will see what takes root. I am always open to being pleasantly surprised. With more than 30,000 views of this thread, and probably most of them guests and not Avalon members, there are probably a few out there warming up to the idea of becoming Level 12s. I have a few thousand fairly regular readers of my site, and when I get that essay done, I will be doing some things to see if it can grow a little, but I really am far more interested in helping people like Ilie, who were past Level 5, become Level 12s without spending too much of their life's energy in Levels 6 to 11. The other Level 12s will mainly come from Level 0. Those in Levels 1 to 5 will pretty much be stuck there until somebody delivers FE to their homes. I stopped trying to interest several different groups long ago, when I saw how addicted they were to their perspective, and when my fellow travelers also said, "Amen!" as they told me their stories of hitting those brick walls.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#audience

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

Although I do not want to hear from that voice again, not if it is going to send me on any more suicide missions, I think that what I am doing is my idea, but I have a sinking feeling that they "injected" it into my subconscious, so when it eventually popped up, I thought that it was "my" idea. When I pass over, I am going to have a long, long talk with whoever sent me on this mission. :)




Hi Wade, of course you probably have a pretty good idea of what the likely reply will be. Something along the lines of "easy there bro, you're the one who made me promise not to forget before you went in".:p

Cheers,
Fred

[Wade Frazier]

Yes, they will probably tell me to stop my whining. :) But, if I get to watch the world melt down instead of get over the hump, I am going to ask for a different assignment next time…

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm not normally someone who vacillates. I typically gain a certain understanding, and that moves me to a viewpoint of my place within a paradigm. I usually don't fall backwards.

But I must admit, time of day, phase of the moon, or what I had for breakfast can make me feel solidly as either a lever 10 or level 12 in your Layers Of The Free Energy Onion chart (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#peeling), Wade.

I may be one of those people who need to storm the Bastille, once, and feel the hot oil poured over me to realize I should have been a 12 and not a 10.

:~)

Dennis

[zebowho]

Hi zebowho:
....Although I do not want to hear from that voice again, not if it is going to send me on any more suicide missions, I think that what I am doing is my idea, but I have a sinking feeling that they "injected" it into my subconscious, so when it eventually popped up, I thought that it was "my" idea. When I pass over, I am going to have a long, long talk with whoever sent me on this mission. :)....

Hi Wade,

Thanks for the responses. Positive intention works and I suppose even that might be hitting a tipping point! Which would be the kicker!

As to the quote above, something tells me they might have to set up a room, a big room with a number machine. Even though I haven't had to deal with the hardships FE (more so the controllers) have issued to others, I am looking for the same conversation! :D



....I may be one of those people who need to storm the Bastille, once, and feel the hot oil poured over me to realize I should have been a 12 and not a 10.

:~)

Dennis

:D, we'll make sure to keep some talc and bandages ready!!

On a serious note, I've seen too much with positive intention, law of attraction etc, to Not believe. That doesn't even consider all I've read or picked up on over the years. FE is every bit as real as the ground below my feet, just as accessible (barring the free will of others) and infinitely more powerful. One of my first thoughts about science as a kid wasn't how much we're discovering as a species, it was how much we don't know, especially considering what we can't see, yet. I believe that perspective becomes evident when one steps back and just looks at that box called the paradigm.

-z

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Dennis:

Hot oil can be a great teacher! :)

I have discussed my progression on this thread before. I was a 0, then a 10, then a 12, but I have good and bad days aplenty. I think that comes with this territory. The conundrum is a slippery one. I have watched people slip and slide between the levels, for various reasons. As I stated in my interviews with Scott, I have seen more than one Orc fight break out over FE, and have also borne the brunt of some of them. Boy, are they bloody, but that is partly because it is not too difficult to glimpse the potential magnitude of FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#quadrillion

It would dwarf everything that has gone before in the human journey, so dreams beyond avarice and delusions of grandeur can absolutely overwhelm people. That is also one of the hazards of the FE journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#grandeur

I once encountered a prominent FE inventor who literally thought that he was The Second Coming. So, when comprehension dawns, there are many temptations to go haring off in all different directions. Few have proven to be productive directions.

So, slipping and sliding between 10 and 12 is OK. Dennis has been the master of Level 10 for many years, and that was my primary classroom. When I staggered away from Ventura in 1990, my radicalization was complete, and I began having serious doubts about the Level 10 approach. Similar to Brian O playing the Paul Revere of FE long ago, I then began seeing if I could find any groups that were receptive to the FE idea. After years of walking through the desert, I realized that there was no group. I never saw a sizeable group that got past Level 4, and even in the New Energy Movement, with 400 people attending our 2004 conference, and while the message was a Level 10 one, there was a three-ring circus aspect to it, with almost everybody going off on tangents, tangents that showed that they had yet to pass through the meat grinder.

I meant it about that hot oil. It was a great teacher, but not many can survive to try that one again. Usually, it cripples them. Even though the Big Boys aimed the oil at Dennis, and he got soaked the most, it splattered far and wide. I was right next to Dennis when the oil came down, so I know its sting, but what was educational, in ways that I can probably never properly relate, was watching people get crippled who were nowhere near ground zero, and I could see grandstands set up in the distance, as many came for the show, to see and smell what hot oil could do to human flesh, and many cheered as we got cooked, including close family members. I would not wish what I survived on my worst enemy, and for the few who are playing the Level 10 game and know what they are getting into, I can only stand back in awe. And I stand way back, hopefully beyond the splatter zone, but it has been close at times. Young flesh heals faster than old flesh.

Ah, Orcs, dragons, ramparts and hot oil, at least I get to have some fun when I discuss these subjects. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Zebowho:

Thanks. Yes, the greatest physicists, for instance, were united in realizing that not only does science really not have the big answers of our existence, or even the tools to pursue them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#mystical

but they realized that humanity knew almost nothing about how the universe operated. The great ones knew that. I remember reading something by Chomsky not long ago, and he was asked if science was on the right path, and he said something like the "laws of the universe" that science has catalogued might have come out of a random number generator, as far as the comparing the principles that the universe really operates under and what today's "science" thinks they are. As I say, today's physics texts are like cave drawings compared to what is known in the black science world, and black science is exceptionally primitive, too, compared to what the visitors that this planet has hosted over the eons know.

Best,

Wade

[Hughe]

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I just watched it.
The numbers, projection they says look promising: Biofuel, sustainable energy solutions.
But, they missed the whole point of centralization energy distribution. I was uncomfortable few individuals' believe in excessive CO2 production causes the global warming. CO2 is by product of most life forms on Earth.

Why people still stick to old types of energy solutions and obsessed with cars?
It bothers me.

It's ironic even renewable energies solve impending energy problems, these will be obsolete within few decades when humanity embrace the free energy. Is it worth to waste such huge amount of resources and energy again?

What if John Bedini or other free energy inventor gets funded and work with scientists and engineers under a project? Ten to twenty million dollars and resources will definitely bring practical FE devices for humanity.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Hughe:

Money is not really the issue, paradoxically. An engaged and aware public, is. The Big Boys can take out people with money easily.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#windmill

They have infinitely more of it than anybody in the FE field, and they have their suppression tactics down to a science. While FE inventors are trying to make money, they are easily taken out. That is part of the conundrum. Bedini has played the patent game, which is the path of certain doom in the FE milieu. If somebody like Bedini succeeds, it will be because he was allowed to.

Another recent aspirant is playing the capitalist game with FE, this time with “secret sauce” proprietary ingredients and a dealership network that has exclusive rights to maintain it. He is another lamb to the slaughter. Anybody playing those games will only cross the finish line if they are allowed to. Efforts like that are derailed by the Big Boys on their lunch hours, as they send their flunkies out to take care of the nuisance. They yawn when they see another FE inventor play the capitalist game. If the FE aspirants could all put aside their desires for fame and fortune, and stop playing the “I have it” game, maybe, just maybe, they might have a prayer. But putting aside those aspirations is just one step of the process. The current open source FE movement has part of the solution, but it is only part of it.

Actually, almost all scientists are concerned about the atmospheric carbon dioxide increases that humanity has been responsible for, and it is very measurable. The hydrocarbon lobby, with help from mouthpieces such as Rush Limbaugh, has clouded the issue. Virtually no serious climate scientist, who does not have a conflict of interest with the hydrocarbon interests, dismisses the carbon dioxide connection with global warming. In paleo-climate research, the carbon dioxide concentration is the atmospheric variable that they all focus on.

The focus on the usual suspects of alternative energy is part of the problem, but, by far, the larger problem is the nearly universal ignoring of FE solutions. If FE was allowed to appear, the effort “wasted” on the traditional alternatives would only be a tiny footnote to the situation. When I hear “biofuels,” however, I shake my head. That has to be the absolutely worst energy “solution” that has ever been put forth. Humanity already commandeers almost half of Earth’s biological production. There is not enough photosynthesis occurring on Earth today to sustain humanity at the American standard of living. The evil of putting all other life forms in a subservient position to humanity’s energy desires (which is why we are having Earth’s sixth mass extinction episode right now ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5 )) is bad enough, but when you find out that FE has existed for longer than I have been alive, it becomes mind-boggling.

If 1% of the time, effort and awareness spent on traditional alternative energy were focused on FE, we would have had it long ago. That is one of the surreal aspects of the situation. I am aiming to help cultivate the awareness aspect of it.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

My lessons learned essay shows how I see the most promising path to FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

The principles are easy to understand. A simple list of the attributes of an effort with a prayer is:

1. No secrets;
2. No anonymity;
3. No patents;
4. No coercion;
5. No deceptions;
6. No expectation of financial gain.

The positive way to say it is:

1. Everything happens in the light of day, open to all;
2. Everybody knows who everybody else is;
3. Anything that comes out of the effort is given away;
4. It must be loving and forgiving;
5. It must be oriented around a pursuit of the truth;
6. Anybody involved must be a donor, not a recipient.

There are other principles, but those are the most important ones. Anything less is doomed to failure in today’s world. Also, the Heaven-on-Earth that I have seen glimpses of:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

is oriented along those principles. The means become the ends.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

Actually, almost all scientists are concerned about the atmospheric carbon dioxide increases that humanity has been responsible for, and it is very measurable. The hydrocarbon lobby, with help from mouthpieces such as Rush Limbaugh, has clouded the issue. Virtually no serious climate scientist, who does not have a conflict of interest with the hydrocarbon interests, dismisses the carbon dioxide connection with global warming. In paleo-climate research, the carbon dioxide concentration is the atmospheric variable that they all focus on.




Hi Wade, please don't confuse me with a Rush Limbaugh flunky, but I must say I'm more than a bit surprised that you're on board with the man made global warming / climate change crowd.


Cheers,
Fred

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Fred:

As you can hear in my interviews and I say it plenty in this thread, the technology in the Above Top Secret field makes the physics textbooks look like cave drawings. However, that does not mean that all fringe claims are valid. In fact, very few of them are. That is part of the layman's quandary:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/orthodox.htm

Take Brian O, for instance. His doctorate was on the Martian surface, which is what led him to be hired as an astronaut:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianbio.htm#astronaut

His planetary scientist background led him to becoming an atmospheric scientist. You won’t find Brian calling the effects of increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere some kind of hoax. Brian worked alongside Fred Singer, for instance, who was arguably the leading global warming "skeptic," who coincidentally got huge sums from the hydrocarbon lobby.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#singer

I won't betray what Brian has told me in private about Fred, but let's just say that Fred had a pretty glaring conflict of interest. If you have followed the global warming debate for as long as I have, Singer and friends (and all of them (there were about six leading voices of "dissent") were on the hydrocarbon lobby payroll) uniformly denied that there was any persuasive evidence for global warming. When that could be denied any longer, they then took the fallback position of, "OK, there is global warming, but we are still 'skeptical' that the hydrocarbon emissions from burning fossil fuels are responsible." The hydrocarbon lobby's hacks and the fringe science people who call global warming a hoax can make for some very strange bedfellows.

Again, the numbers are easily adduced. Today, there is about 390 PPM of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, up from about 300 PPM in 1900. There is no doubt that that increase is due to burning hydrocarbon fuels. On a geophysical timescale, increasing that rapidly is nearly unprecedented and would be associated with mass extinction events. We do not know what all the effects of impacting the atmosphere that dramatically will be, but it can't be all good. The Hydrocarbon Age is actually a global geophysical experiment that may turn out very badly. The same people that deny global warming, or the human element of it, are the same folks that deny that we are in an extinction event, and so on. People like Julian Simon made careers out of that kind of academic inquiry:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm

Certain molecules can trap solar radiation as it reflects back to space (indirectly - the solar radiation heats Earth's surface, and infrared radiation is vented to space, and those greenhouse gases absorb the IR), and water, carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane and ozone are the primary greenhouse gases, and industrialization has increased all of them but water:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#Natural_and_anthropogenic_sources

For anybody who does any reading on geophysics or paleo-climate studies, the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations are front and center, as far as global temperatures go. It is not rocket science. The fact that the "conspiratorial" fringes almost uniformly call global warming a hoax (or human-induced global warming) is part of the problem with the fringes. Not all white science is some kind of elite conspiracy. That does not mean that the findings of science can’t become a huge political football, and that science cannot be corrupted, and that science's purview isn't quite limited, far more limited than people like Stephen Hawking think. I write plenty about that. But, people should not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This actually highlights one of the big problems with the fringes. All kinds of tall claims are made, and a great deal of them hinge on some kind of "conspiracy" that they can almost never produce any good evidence of. Almost anybody can make claims like that.

I write about "chemtrails," but do so reservedly:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/ufo.htm

A key instance of the "fringes" being way, way out in left field is on the moon landings. I spent a lot of time on that gig:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#apollo

and Brian has been harried to no end on that subject:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianbio.htm#statement

but it will never go away. There is way more chaff than wheat on the fringes, with all sorts of "activists" barking up the wrong trees. That is also part of the FE conundrum, as most on the fringes hack at branches, even imaginary ones. The vast majority of FE inventors never tap the ZPF, but many think that they did.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I am going to be gone this weekend, but I will make this post to draw the picture on people like Fred Singer a little clearer. Again, Singer worked with Brian O back in the day. They had plenty in common, including Mars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Singer#1960:_Artificial_Phobos_hypothesis

Washington D.C.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Singer#1967:_Public_policy_and_predictions

and so forth. I don’t know exactly when Singer sold out, but his later efforts saw him involved with quite a rogues' gallery of corporate defenders. What was kind of crazy about Singer was his involvement with the tobacco companies, to defend their products.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=S._Fred_Singer#Tobacco_Industry_Contractor

as he became a brother in arms with Steve Milloy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#milloy

When Singer became a climate change “expert,”

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=S._Fred_Singer#Climate_Change_.22Expert.22

he ended up working with Elizabeth Whelan and Frederick stare:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#whelan

at the American Council on Science and Health:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Council_on_Science_and_Health (you can see that SourceWatch page refer to my writings on Whelan).

That Julian Simon worked with Whelan and Singer really makes the picture a lot clearer.

They all sold their souls for the corporate buck, posing as independent academics and scientists. After I published my little write-up about Milloy, Mr. Skeptic stopped linking to Milloy’s “great compendium of junk science.” :)

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#milloy

A long time ago, Uncle Ed Herman

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/links.htm#herman

told me that he spoke at a conference where Singer also spoke, or maybe Singer ran the conference. Anyway, Singer did not do his homework on Ed. Ed taught economics at Wharton, so maybe Singer thought that Ed was one of them. Anyway, when Ed got up to talk, it was a vintage Chomskyan effort, and Singer, in Ed’s words, became “unmoored” as Ed thrashed the corporate order. That is just a funny story that I wanted to tell. Anyway the global warming “debate” is almost entirely comprised of all the world’s genuine climate scientists on one side, and Singer and friends on the other. Since the same interests that own Singer also own the media:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#manufacturing

the media has fabricated the appearance of a debate.

G’night,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

This may be my last post for at least a few days. I really need to limit my posts during the week for now, but how many times have I stated that lately? :)

As I have stated, my goal is helping people think comprehensively. But getting there is like walking the razor’s edge. An example is that previous post about Fred Singer and company:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=235662&viewfull=1#post235662

In a world of scarcity, the seductions of selling one’s soul can be tempting. However, not everybody who sells their soul is fully conscious of their decision-making process. The rad left does some dissecting of the psychological process, but they almost invariably couch it in terms of half-conscious self-deception. Because of their materialistic orientation, they do not believe that there is anything like a dark path:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

As great as so many of them are (Chomsky, Herman, Zinn), that limitation in their perspective stunts their understanding. The scientific worldview permeates the rad left’s perspective, and in that worldview, consciousness is some mysterious byproduct of chemistry and evolution. It took me a long time to see the connection between that scientific worldview and the structuralism that dominates the rad left's perspective, to the point where they dismiss the suppression of FE, for instance, because they refuse to believe that dark pathers exist and can work in concert, so they dismiss all evidence that looks like a “conspiracy theory.” Also, the physics texts say that FE is impossible, although a heavy hitter like David Bohm, Einstein’s protégé, theorized that the ZPF contained almost infinite energy:

http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/science/david_bohm.htm

and other scientists have taken up the task of making ZPE imaginable in the halls of physics.

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/News/nuclear-catastrophe.html

However, while structuralism dominates the rad left perspective, conspiracism is another disease of mind, common in right wing circles. What they both have in common is the victim’s orientation:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#weakness

Each perspective is lopsided for that reason. Part of walking the razor’s edge is to acknowledge that while most people are acting unconsciously as they sell their souls and do the devil’s work for him, some do it with conscious awareness. The Global Controllers, for instance, know what they are doing, at least as far as making no bones privately that controlling the planet is always their end game, because that game affords many dark path opportunities. Of course, there can only be one emperor of the universe, so the power struggles amongst themselves can get pretty ugly.

But, and this is the crucial but, they can only play their games with the power that a sleeping humanity has ceded to them. Again, this is the crux of the conundrum. It is a seductive idea to think that they can be defeated in battle or coerced into relinquishing their Earthly power. However, that is the exact worst way to approach the issue, and hails from the fear-based perspective. Only love is going to win the day, in the end. I regularly see warrior types say that my dreams are a fantasy, and that the ideal world is not here yet, and some blood will need to be shed to make it there, like Stalin’s “you need to break some eggs to make an omelette” observation.

I strongly disagree with that perspective, for a few reasons, not the least of which is that I have seen the Young Warriors appear, repeatedly, with their coercive plans. For one thing, none of them ever came close to scaling the ramparts. Their plans were largely boastful boy talk. And when they began swinging their swords, Dennis and I became their prey, not the Global Controllers. Young Warriors (and the rad left has plenty of them, as do nearly all political movements) are vulnerable to their primary delusion, which is that might makes right:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

When they finally grow up after trying out their might-makes-right fantasies, and eventually realize the utter futility of coercion and violence, they can become vital allies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

Gandhi recruited soldiers who renounced violence as the shock troops for his efforts. I think I understand why.

Waking up, and waking up to love, is very likely the only strategy that will work. Not many are fit for it today, which is a key aspect of the conundrum.

It turns out that I have a strategy like Gurdjieff’s, although I really have not read much of his work. Others told me about it. Somewhere in his writings, he apparently stated that he purposely wrote things that the ego would react strongly to, so that it would reject his message, because it is not one that the ego is ready for, if it ever will be. That way, egocentric people will not be interested, and the egocentric getting ahold of information like Gurdjieff’s can hurt themselves and others. Abusing mystical abilities is the best way to rack up a huge amount of negative karma in a short period of time.

I use something like Gurdjieff’s strategy throughout my writings, and have watched my “peers” blow a fuse a few pages into my site, even those who thought that they were hip. I have many “enemies,” because my work shreds their self-serving delusions, such as how virtuous my peer group is:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#progress

and I still field attacks to this day from them, at least one of which was a childhood friend. Prophets have no honor in their hometown, because their neighbors cannot fathom the prophet’s perspective. They grew up alongside them, and so the prophet obviously cannot have anything to say worth listening to, because those neighbors saw the circumstances of their youth, which were just like theirs, so they must think just like them. In their eyes, the “prophet” is just some crazy neighbor or relative. Sometimes, the prophets can appear to be very dangerous, but usually they are considered to be harmless nuts.

The herd mentality cannot comprehend those who broke away from it, not really. Michael says that the younger soul ages really cannot comprehend the older soul ages.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

It is like a five-year-old cannot understand what romantic love is like, or what a mid-life crisis is all about, and so forth. Young men think that they are immortal:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#business

as they brim with the power of their youthful bodies.

The prophet’s neighbors have some dim understanding that the prophet took a very dangerous path of rejecting establishment dogma, and they know that adhering to that dogma guarantees a full belly, although the herd members will rarely admit such a thought consciously, so they find some other reason to dismiss the prophets words, and worse, accuse the prophet of betraying the herd. This is an almost universal dynamic, and one that Jesus remarked on.

It took me many years for that truth to finally settle in, and I have almost no contact with anybody from Ventura County, where I was raised, and when I am around my family, talking about the weather is the safest course. Over the years, those family members who cared about me often would advise to keep my head down and get back in line with the herd. Sigh.

But, that is a key reason why I am not trying a mass movement. The masses are not currently coming from a place of sentience. However, FE may help catalyze it.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#question

That is another reason why the lamb’s path to FE is probably the only that might get to a happy ending. The Young Warrior path to FE will rely on coercion, and if by some miracle their efforts “work,” they will learn that coercion works, and then play the coercion game with FE. That is how we can blow the planet up. Richard Wrangham co-authored Demonic Males, as a study rooted in anthropology, on why male apes always inflict the greatest evils. As the bonobos demonstrated, it took the females to bring the males to heel, and they learned the meaning of peace. Something similar is likely going to be required to make FE happen, but women are almost completely absent from the FE field, and that is part of the conundrum, also.

It is very possible that humanity is not ready to act responsibly with FE. That is certainly a possibility, although our current energy practices are doing a fine job of creating Hell on Earth. Do we want certain hell or a chance for heaven? In the end, that is probably the primary upshot of the FE conundrum. It will take the best of all of us to make the Heaven on Earth path a reality, and that is probably as it should be. We have to work at it. It will not fall in our laps.

Gotta go now.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

This coming weekend, I will be recording an interview, and the theme of it will be my lessoned learned essay:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm

I have also been given homework to expand on my advanced-stage plan:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

which I am happy to do. The revision will be a version of these sections of my site:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

and will be the first updating of the “visions” that I have published in several years.

That is the fun stuff, and what I most like to talk about. While my interviews with Bill, Kerry, Scott, Tom and others have been important, and there is vitally important information in them for anybody who wants to understand the FE milieu, it is really not subject matter that I like discussing very much. It used to be very traumatic territory to visit, but over the years, it became less so, and professional help assisted in that process. I wrote the adventures parts of my site:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm

partly so that I do not need to keep talking about our adventures ad infinitum. When talking with people like Scott and Bill, who have been around the block a few times, the interviews go well and are even fun. However, I have rarely found such venues. Over the years, I have almost invariably been challenged about the veracity of my story. But here is the strange part: I have never been challenged by anybody who even pretended to do their homework, except for Mr. Skeptic:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

I have never heard from one person who obtained Dennis’s books, except for Mr. Skeptic, but my challengers often make observations or pose questions that demonstrate that they did not even read the germane parts of my site, or did not understand them. That my challengers never even bother to try to become informed before they challenge me is part of the conundrum, too. I have never seen an honest, informed and intelligent critique of my work, by anybody who was trying to invalidate it. My best critics are my friends, and I eagerly look forward to their pre-publication reviews of my writings, because they are trying to make them better.

In order for people to really begin to comprehend what can be, they have to let go of their scarcity-based baggage and try to become Level 12s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

At first blush, that can seem kind of strange, that even imagining what can be requires people to let go of their scarcity-based conditioning, but that is what I discovered over the years. People’s scarcity-based baggage is why they get trapped in Levels 1 to 11. That is not easy to initially understand, and it took me many years to comprehend it. Levels 0 to 11 are all, to one degree or another, rooted in denial, which is rooted in fear. The FE conundrum is really an expression of the fear/love duality, at its root.

Best,

Wade

[Scott]

Hey Wade

Just a heads up that our interview with Jeane Manning will be aired tonight, Tuesday June 07 @ 7:55 Pacific 10:55 Eastern where she will be talking about "Breakthrough Power (http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/upcoming-shows.html)"

Listen Live Here: (http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/listen-live.html)

She mentioned she was on a skype interview with you the day before we recorded it :)

I am trying to track down contact info for Ken Shoulders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTM0xO0CFaY
Let me know if you have any info on him.

Scott

[Ernie Nemeth]

Looking forward to the interview with Scott, Wade.

To quickly add a positive note. (hopefully)

I try to understand the conundrum and find myself comparing it to other events in history: The flat earth debate (still has a website), the heliocentric debate, Wright brothers achieving flight (argued for years), Einstein's theories (countered by quatum theory to some extent), etc. This is how these things go, a slow (sometimes agonizingly slow) advance followed by a punctuated period of rapid acceptance. Question is, how far along the curve are we in relation to FE awareness?

Excuse my layman's wording but the fact that humanity has ceded its authority to the Global Controllers may be true but there is a hidden truth as well: a legal and non-violent way to take that authority back. The laws and court systems of most countries are a sham, a mockery of justice, that rely on ignorance and tradition. A knowledgeable individual can easily thwart the courts in most civil matters.

This Gurdjieff strategy seems to rely on jump-starting right-brain thinking, latent in most people most of the time. The left-brained conditioning of our society is part of the means of control. This also has to do with higher and lower brain functions and the so-called reptilian brain. Shock causes a "big pcture" moment that requires global brain functioning. That's why love, caring and respect work too, such moments are out of the ordinary and require a fully conscious involvement to determine the next course of action.

There is always hope.

Peace

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Scott:

Yes, Jeane and I had an interview with Brian on David Gibbons's show. Good to see Jeane on your show. That looks like Hutchinson in that Shoulders video (John posted it). Jeane and John both live in BC, and I am pretty sure that John is in Jeane's books, but I cannot recall off the top of my head. John is definitely in Brian's books, and Brian has talked publicly about the military harassment that Hutchinson has received. Jeane is a lot closer to that stuff than I am.

I did a little reading on Shoulders. He has the pedigree. I see that he calls the ZPF Potentum. I am not sure if that is on Jeane's list of the thirty names that she has collected.

When I read about a California-based inventor, trying to take the patent route, it sure brings back many memories, few of them pleasant. He is from the same generation as Mr. Mentor.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

This article:

http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue61/chargeclusters.html

is typical of not only the perils of the standard inventor/capitalist approach, but it really is amazing to me that articles like that are written that do not even mention that Godzilla might exist. Many inventors have tapped the ZPF, but they and their gizmos are taken out of circulation immediately. When I see articles like that, which mention the standard problems of FE inventors playing the capitalist game, but fail to even acknowledge organized suppression, I really wonder about them. That kind of naïveté is truly dangerous, IMO. Not only is Godzilla not mentioned, or even the standard capitalistic tactics of wiping out the competition (all capitalists hate competing, and strive for monopolistic situations), but the "black science" behind the good stuff:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

is totally off the table, as if the inventors and tinkerers are really discovering things that the Big Boys did not know long ago. It is difficult for me to read such articles. That that article was in Infinite Energy magazine is another frustration for me. Back in late 2003, Brian O introduced me to Mallove because I wanted to know more about the "environmental energy" angle to FE that he wrote about, which is exactly what we were pursuing when they lowered the boom on us.

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/obituaries/2004/EugeneMallove/LastMessage040513/

When I briefly interacted with Mallove,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#mallove

he had a hard time coming to grips with the billion dollar bribe that Dennis was offered:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

because he had not heard of one that large before. An inventor with a gizmo is laughably easy to take out, if he ever gets to the point where Godzilla needs to roll out of bed. The gulf between a working FE prototype and putting it on the market is at least $100 million. Dennis was putting disruptive energy technology on the market, in a way that nobody has done before or since:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#radar

That it was not FE is not very relevant to the situation, except to realize that if it was FE, Godzilla would have showed up in Seattle, but the Seattle snuff job was enacted by the local energy interests, and Godzilla may not have been involved there, except peripherally. He showed up later. :)

The threat that Dennis represented was not because he had some FE gizmo, but that he was capable of bringing disruptive technologies to market in a big way. That was his unique threat, and his persistence in rebuilding time after time after he got wiped out. To ignore the competition-strangling nature of capitalism, and also failing to even acknowledge the Godzilla aspect of disruptive energy technologies, is standard. Perhaps the author of that article thought if he even acknowledged that Godzilla existed, he would be lumped in with the "conspiracy theorists." Maybe he dismissed organized suppression as a conspiracy theory himself, operating from the structuralist perspective:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

If authors like that truly do not believe in Godzilla, preferring to imagine him as a myth born of fevered minds, or they think that they will not get an audience if they even acknowledge the organized suppression, whatever the case may be, they are not dealing with the truth and reality, either through ignorance or catering to ideological teddy bears.

FYI, it looks like Mallove's murder may soon be solved, but I will never completely believe the verdict, even if they all confess (the tenants that Mallove evicted may have done it, and why they were not the prime suspects from the beginning must be an interesting tale). There was too much strange stuff happening when Mallove was murdered for me to totally buy the retail crime explanation. Maybe it really was some angry tenants who killed him, egged on by who knows what subtle means. I really do not like thinking too conspiratorially about such things, but a certain amount of paranoia comes with the territory. :)

I have had way too many experiences that have demonstrated very clearly to me that something is orchestrating my journey, and I had to eventually turn my back on it to the degree I was able. I could only stand so many larger-than-life events, especially of the Indiana Jones kind. Just this past weekend, I had another, relatively innocuous instance where somebody that I was talking about walked right into my field of vision, a hundred miles from both of our homes. I am not sure that anything happens by "coincidence." :)

In the end, that article is another aspect of the conundrum.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

Great post. Yes, the trajectory of scientific and technological advances can seem to adhere to the "punctualism" of evolutionary theory. I have seen scientists invoke fractals and chaos theory to say that maybe FE breaking through the stranglehold is just around the corner. Again, I will take The Muppet Movie ending to the FE quest any day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pvAKPM3gCs&feature=related

It may turn out that way, and if it does, I only pray that it is in my lifetime. That "explosive upheaval in consciousness" that Roads's mentor mentioned may well be right around the corner:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

I would say that in significant ways, we are in the upheaval today, but there is certainly a lot more coming.

Yes, we can take our power back, and it must be done gently. The Big Boys cannot be defeated in battle by any Earthly power, and not through the courts, either, at least not in the USA. Been there, done that, I am sorry to say. Our attorney, who gave the IRS a black eye in the USA's Supreme Court:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/links.htm#bigtime

got the surprise of his career when he saw the forces aligned against Dennis:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#supreme

He almost got disbarred. I was just reading something this morning on how Canada's legal system is not as corrupt as the USA's:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/06/corporate-police-state-cisco-enlists-prosecutors-to-impede-whistleblower-law-suit.html

When you begin playing the FE game in the USA, the law literally means nothing. They can make it up as they go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI39RzWxCOQ&feature=related

Thanks for that information on Gurdjieff's strategy. Yes, the right-brain/left-brain aspects are related, as are those lower/higher functions. Those aha moments can come, for sure. In the FE conundrum, I have noticed that anybody who got very far along the path of being productive, it was their heart, not their head, that got them there. As even somebody like Chomsky says, that ruling classes use induced fear to manage the population. These "war on terror" days are a standard case of that strategy. Keeping people in fear keeps them operating at those low levels, continually concerned with their survival, thinking at the reptilian-brain level. I believe that you are describing another way to slice the FE Onion. There are other valid ways of looking at it, for sure. Whole-brain thinking is another way to state the mentality that is needed to see past the scarcity-based ideologies that we have been conditioned with.

Yes, there is always hope, especially with Kermit still out there. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

(post revised to reflect later post, with the original link removed)

I am working on revised this section of my lessons learned essay for my interview this weekend.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

That table idea was a planned centerpiece of my upcoming essay (and there will be plenty of graphics), and revising that section of that essay inspired me to create a little preview.

That section and table is in its embryonic state, and will develop a great deal by this weekend, when I publish that revised part of my site. That page will only exist for a few days, until I get the revised essay done this weekend, and then it will be part of that essay. I just wanted to give you a preview of where I am going in my energy essay. That, and this part of my upcoming essay section:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#revolutions

will give you a broad overview of that essay that I am working on. The devil is in the details, however. I can see that essay easily being fifty pages, and maybe double that or more. It is intended to help educate the non-scientist on the energy issue and how deeply embedded it is in all facets of our societies and always has been, and what the potential of FE can be. It will be chocked full of information and ideas, many of them quite radical in today’s world.

I gotta go to work now. I just finished a fairly slow month at my day job, and I was partly recovering from the grind of the previous several months. My hurricane is starting up again, and I will likely be very busy for the rest of the year. When I update that section of that essay this weekend, those two sections of my site will give the clearest preview of that essay that I am working on. I will still do interviews, because they do not take much time. I used to mentally prepare for them for a month before I did them, but now they are pretty easy to do.

But I will likely not do much in the way of revising my site until I get that essay written, and I plan to become quieter in this forum while I am working on it. Only so many hours in a day, and I have to get my mojo back at my day job. It is getting harder to recover from the crunch times than it used to be. :) I will be eligible for senior citizen’s discounts in a couple of years, but want to get that big essay done before I join the ranks of the elderly. :)

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I became particularly inspired this morning to get that preparatory work done for my interview this weekend. I have some very busy days ahead of me. I just put up the version that will be close to my final version for now, and will be part of what this weekend’s interview will discuss. That table in my previous post is now removed, but it lives as a permanent part of my site, here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

That section, along with this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#revolutions

will comprise the best preview of the subject matter that my energy essay will tackle.

Obviously, it covers vast territory. My desire is that the conversation on this thread begins to focus on that subject matter, instead of the “scale the ramparts” theme that has largely predominated, such as which inventor has the goods and a prayer of bringing it to the world. While my days playing Indiana Jones’s sidekick is what gave me the “credentials” to talk with a little authority on the FE milieu, my interest for the past twenty years has been far more focused on the subject matter that those two links above deal with.

What was always missing from all FE efforts that I have seen was not money or technology, so much, but an aware and engaged public; that is why the FE heroes are so vulnerable to Godzilla’s tactics. They need a lot more help than they have received so far. The more people who can keep that above-linked subject matter uppermost in their minds (and maybe we can form a choir one day, when enough of us know the tune), the better chance that a Dennis, Greer, or Brian O has of scaling the ramparts, although I truly wish for an end to the heroic era of FE pursuit, with a killing field littered with martyrs and the other contenders wearing golden handcuffs.

Best,

Wade

[ulli]

Hi:

I became particularly inspired this morning to get that preparatory work done for my interview this weekend. I have some very busy days ahead of me. I just put up the version that will be close to my final version for now, and will be part of what this weekend’s interview will discuss. That table in my previous post is now removed, but it lives as a permanent part of my site, here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

That section, along with this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#revolutions

will comprise the best preview of the subject matter that my energy essay will tackle.

Obviously, it covers vast territory. My desire is that the conversation on this thread begins to focus on that subject matter, instead of the “scale the ramparts” theme that has largely predominated, such as which inventor has the goods and a prayer of bringing it to the world. While my days playing Indiana Jones’s sidekick is what gave me the “credentials” to talk with a little authority on the FE milieu, my interest for the past twenty years has been far more focused on the subject matter that those two links above deal with.

What was always missing from all FE efforts that I have seen was not money or technology, so much, but an aware and engaged public; that is why the FE heroes are so vulnerable to Godzilla’s tactics. They need a lot more help than they have received so far. The more people who can keep that above-linked subject matter uppermost in their minds (and maybe we can form a choir one day, when enough of us know the tune), the better chance that a Dennis, Greer, or Brian O has of scaling the ramparts, although I truly wish for an end to the heroic era of FE pursuit, with a killing field littered with martyrs and the other aspirants wearing golden handcuffs.

Best,

Wade

Hi Wade
I followed the first link and came across this...are you sure you didn't mean to say desalinated?

Ocean water can easily be salinated with FE and not only all people on Earth could quickly have access to free and pure water, but all the over-pumped water tables could be easily refilled. Polluted air and water are the biggest killers of children today

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Ulli!

Fixed.

I saw that one yesterday, but missed it in the editing. You get a gold star!

Best,

Wade

[ulli]

Synchronicity I thought, as my posts this morning mentioned polluted air and waters.

Also, more specifically, the word "salinating" (more salt) as opposed to "desalinating" (less salt)
gave me the hint to drop my salty input on the Atticus thread.
That soup is cooked, for now.

[Scott]

Hey Wade

Ok, finally managed to get the show with your fellow free energy researcher Jeane Manning uploaded, you are mentioned in the interview :)
Interview Link: http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/jeane-manning-breakthrough-power.html

Looks like we have a few more contacts now in the free energy field so expect more shows in the future on the topic.

Scott

[Ilie Pandia]

What an oasis this thread is... thank you Wade! :)

I was thinking at the days of FE. You said that we could use the outer space for food farming (among other things). While I can easily imagine that another thought has come to mind.

Most likely the FE will bring about a big leap in awareness (or is it the other way around :P). This means that we humans will live in harmony with nature and not at the expense of nature. Why go to outer space when you can have a fresh apple from "your" apple tree. (Note: "your" as in close to where you are, not owning that tree). I believe that the apple tree will be quite happy if we enjoy its fruit.

Same goes for all the other plants! (I think I've read on your site that there is a symbiotic relationship between humans and plant life). Se we can still eat fruit without abusing nature.

I imagine that with better organization of space, with restoring natural environment and with dropping the idea of ownership it's quite possible to live of the land. The movie I have in my head is me walking in what appears to be a beautiful garden with no end.

I think that the idea of mass food production in one specialized spot is not really necessary in FE days. Is this something you can write about? A big garden on the planet (with lots of edible plants everywhere) versus big centralized farming locations?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Scott:

I listened to the show. Oh boy, that would be a long talk, to respond. Thanks for having Jeane on your show. I have one clarification about what I said about the patent process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI39RzWxCOQ&feature=related

When they see an inventor apply for a patent, I did not mean that he was done because he is now on their radar, although I am sure that plenty got on the radar that way. What I meant was that when somebody applies for a patent, they have announced that they are planning to play the capitalist game. Anybody playing the capitalist game is incredibly easy to derail. That $100 billion in quiet money took out the people who were largely doing it for the money.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#payoff

and as I said in my interview, most who took the money probably had no idea of what was really happening. They did it for the money anyway, and were happy to count their haul and "retire" with their golden handcuffs.

What I meant by the "you are done" if you go the patent route is that anybody who is doing it for self-serving motives, and I include that inventor's investors (usually his friends and family) in that group, is almost effortlessly taken out. I would say that 99.9% of the contenders with the goods tried to go the capitalist route, and the Big Boys have that avenue so closed off that it is pretty ridiculous to even try it. As thousands of inventors have discovered, if you do get a patent, the military can classify it, or they can just deny your patent because of the good ol' "laws of physics" objection. Then, if you really have the goods and make it past those two gauntlets, then you may get the friendly buyout offer, which is good for your wallet, but you will have been removed from the FE game. And all that is before they even dream of playing rough. Dennis was always prosecuted under "consumer protection" laws, even though no consumers ever complained. The legal tricks up their sleeve are pretty impressive. As I said, they can pretty much make it up as they go. When that kind of pressure begins to be applied, the movements will often collapse in a self-inflicted bloodbath. I have lived through a few of those.

I guess my bottom line is that to even begin the FE journey, you have to have saintly motivation to get anywhere, and anybody applying for patents does not have saintly motivation (or the people who support him do not), and they are defeated before they even start, and getting a patent is almost at the beginning of the process, not the end.

We will talk soon,

Best,

Wade

Hi Ilie:

It looks like you are giving me homework. :)

That is a beautiful vision that you presented. Yes, we can cooperate with nature, and I have imagined something that looks a lot like heaven on Earth, but I will never be able to write a better account than what Michael Roads did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

That vision that he had is one of the stars that I steer by. I met Roads long ago, and I do not consider his account some kind of work of fantasy. I know other people who have visited places like that, people who then return with insights that lead to Earth-shaking inventions (that were suppressed, of course). :)

In that future Earth that Roads visited, they partnered with nature in ways that can be hard to believe. Yes Ilie, if I ever get to live in a reality like that on the physical plane, my apple tree will be a short, grassy, barefoot walk from my bed. In a few weeks, the cherry trees in my back yard will be ripe, as will the blueberry bushes. That is as good as my life gets. So, yes, I can totally relate to what you are visioning, and I'll put that on my list of Ilie-related tasks. :)

The only reason for putting farms in space, floating on the ocean or in the air is to reduce humanity's load on Earth's ecosystems, which can't be in space. :)

Yes, you read it on my site that fruit is the ultimate symbiosis between plants and animals, and all the great apes are designed to ideally digest fruit (it comprises about 65% of the great ape diet).

Not sure if you read it, but the evidence is pretty strong that the Amazon rainforest is the world's largest garden.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#amazon

Keep up with that visioning, young man.

Best,

Wade

[eaglespirit]

I guess my bottom line is that to even begin the FE journey, you have to have saintly motivation to get anywhere...

Wade

Hi Wade...as to my strong premonition I shared with You in the recent past....that IS exactly what is going to be the cause of the exponential eruption for the good, imho, soon!

Kudos to all of Your diligent work!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi eaglespirit:

If we have an outbreak of saintly motivation, then yes, the Heaven-on-Earth program will be a downhill roller. I hope that your vision is prescient. :)

Best,

Wade

[aranuk]

Hi Wade, thank you for speaking to us here! There is another thread here about Mehran Keshe and I was very pleased to hear what he has been doing for 30 odd years researching and developing a Plasma Reactor Technology. He is being interviewed on red Ice Radio yesterday I think. here is the link http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/06/RIR-110609.php

I wonder if you know about all this anyway and could you care to give us a brief comment please?


Stan

[Wade Frazier]

Hi aranuk:

Lots of inventors out there, trying to go develop stuff, with theories that challenge conventional physics. If they do not play the ZPE game (which Keshe does not appear to be trying to do), they can make some headway. China built a city for Yull Brown:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#yull

I talk about it some in the first twenty minutes of this interview:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html

So, the Irans and Chinas can be a home for some of those guys. I highly doubt that TPTB will allow commercial trips to the moon in flying saucers, but we will see. I do not really keep up on inventors anymore. Brian O, Bearden, Jeane Manning and company do, but my interest has taken a different direction.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I do not usually do this sort of thing, but Gary has been a long-time observer of the scene:


http://signon.org/sign/end-suppression-of-energy?source=c.fwd.in&r_by=263131

I signed it, as did Jeane.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

I would have signed but it is only for Americans.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

Thanks for trying, but it looks like Canadians are fine. Jeane and John Hutchinson are Canadians, and they signed the petition, as have other Canadians.

Best,

Wade

[Tigressa]

Hi Ernie, it has a drop down menu, you just search for your country there. I have signed Wade - thank you. I look forward to reading your story in more depth as I go. Best wishes!

[Ernie Nemeth]

I'm listening to the Jeane Manning interview right now. Very interesting.

I remember a scientist in the States who is almost never mentioned these days. Everyone was talking about cold-fusion in the eighties and after the Ponds experiment was debunked only this guy's, Neuman, I think, could not be explained. The news was full of this scientist's experiment and its apparent over-parity energy production (it wasn't very high - like 10-12%). Scientific American ran multiple articles on him.

Then, suddenly, no more news and never again a mention of this scientist. I have kept an eye out for any other work by this guy but he has just disappeared. I seem to recall there may have been some legal rangling he was involved in related to his experiments or something before he vanished.

Anyone know this scientist?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thnx Tigressa, duh!

Signed.

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Tigressa.

After Pons and Fleishman got waylaid by MIT, and their research was driven from the USA, I have not kept up on the cold fusion front. You do not mean Joe Newman, do you?

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

That might be his name, I cannot remember. I only recall his involvement in cold fusion, his disappearance from the public eye and my mental note to keep an ear out for last name "Neuman" or "Newman". I wish I could find the Scientific American article. But He was interviewed by many newspapers and magazines. I believe even one of the network news agencies ran a bio on him and his work.

[Ernie Nemeth]

More is coming back. His theories to explain the above-parity results of his experiments involved the harnessing of the angular momentum of atomic spin. He achieved this, he claimed, by understanding the proper correlation between magnetic and electric fields or some such.

I believe he used a type of pulsed current technology of high potential voltage in a unique way between two very closely spaced but separate plates of conductive material. In many ways it reminded me of Tesla's work and more recently the work done by Hutchinson in Canada.

Thats all I can remember.

[sandy]

Hi:

I do not usually do this sort of thing, but Gary has been a long-time observer of the scene:


http://signon.org/sign/end-suppression-of-energy?source=c.fwd.in&r_by=263131

I signed it, as did Jeane.

Best,

Wade

Hi Wade,

Just a quick response before I leave to take my brother back to Edmonton and have a bit of a holiday while catching up with old friends. DONE DEAL!!! Regarding the above petition :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

I am going to guess and say it was Joe Newman, and see if it is what you recall. Joe is from Mississippi, and he has a magnetic motor. To his credit, it was the first time that I ever heard of FE, back in 1986. When Dennis was trying to keep the Seattle company alive, he heard of Joe, visited his operation and tried to get involved, but Joe had quite an entourage back then and Dennis did not gain any traction. When Dennis got his FE idea in Boston,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#chasing

knowing about Joe may have helped Dennis think in the FE direction.
Here is Joe’s site:

http://josephnewman.com/

Like Dennis, his message is overtly Christian, and it can be difficult to see past all the religious stuff. Does Joe have something? Probably. Of course, places like Wikipedia will not give it a fair hearing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Newman_(inventor)

One of the debunkers on that page is one of Mr. Skeptic’s good buddies, and so on. I consider Joe to be an FE casualty. Joe became mentally unbalanced along the way and eventually attacked Dennis. Dennis considers Joe to be mentally ill and harmless, but Joe’s antics are part of the FE circus.

Maybe it was somebody else you are thinking of, but he was real famous back in the 1980s and 1990s. That religious stuff is understandable, because the implications of FE are so overwhelming, but I would say that Joe’s story is a cautionary tale of letting FE go to your head.

Best,

Wade

Thanks Sandy!

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Tonight, I am doing another interview with Scott. I will let the forum know when it is published, although Scott will likely beat me to it. :)

This time, the subject matter will be on my lessons learned essay:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm

and will focus on how to mount an FE effort without risking lives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

That is the real fruit of my journey. As I have stated, I recently updated this section:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

as homework for my interview. That section and this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#revolutions

comprise the best preview of the energy essay that I am working on.

In the past, I have been the warm-up act for Adam Trombly:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radio.htm

and it looks like I may be doing it again. That is a great honor. I have not thought much about Adam’s story for years, and in my interviews with Scott and Tom:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#g/c/BACC03E294B890CD

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html

I talked about Adam’s journey at some length. I like to be precise if I can, but I was not totally prepared to talk about Adam, and was speaking from memories of several years earlier. I think I got most of the facts about Adam’s journey accurately, but I got the name wrong about Adam’s dad’s pal who “jumped” out of a window after the CIA gave him LSD. I said it was Frank Snepp, but it was Frank Olson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson

I said he jumped out of a hospital window, but it was a hotel window. The hospital window “jump” I was thinking of was James Forrestal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Forrestal

When people get involved with ETs and FE, they seem to have a high probability of “committing suicide” by jumping. When Brian O’s pal Stefan Marinov “jumped” off the library backwards:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Marinov

it was another one of those strange “suicides.”

Best,

Wade

[eaglespirit]

Hi Ernie:

I am going to guess and say it was Joe Newman, and see if it is what you recall. Joe is from Mississippi, and he has a magnetic motor. To his credit, it was the first time that I ever heard of FE, back in 1986. When Dennis was trying to keep the Seattle company alive, he heard of Joe, visited his operation and tried to get involved, but Joe had quite an entourage back then and Dennis did not gain any traction. When Dennis got his FE idea in Boston,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#chasing

knowing about Joe may have helped Dennis think in the FE direction.
Here is Joe’s site:

http://josephnewman.com/

Like Dennis, his message is overtly Christian, and it can be difficult to see past all the religious stuff. Does Joe have something? Probably. Of course, places like Wikipedia will not give it a fair hearing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Newman_(inventor)

One of the debunkers on that page is one of Mr. Skeptic’s good buddies, and so on. I consider Joe to be a FE casualty. Joe became mentally unbalanced along the way and eventually attacked Dennis. Dennis considers Joe to be mentally ill and harmless, but Joe’s antics are part of the FE circus.

Maybe it was somebody else you are thinking of, but he was real famous back in the 1980s and 1990s. That religious stuff is understandable, because the implications of FE are so overwhelming, but I would say that Joe’s story is a cautionary tale of letting FE go to your head.

Best,

Wade

Thanks Sandy!

Wade

Good Morning Wade,
I had had email contact and phone conversation about 5+ years ago with one of Newman's main associates/helpers...I was following Joe's internet videos, work presentations, and general view talks...I pulled back because of the reasons in Your general overview of the persona of Joe and company. Had been thinking of bringing this out...so glad to read Your take on these matters.
Thank You to You and the Others in this thread!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi eaglespirit:

The FE field is littered with destroyed martyrs, contenders sidelined with the golden handcuffs, people who fell by the wayside because they could not overcome their foibles or those of their allies, and so on. It is extremely perilous terrain to try to navigate. My "walking the razor’s edge" statement is not hyperbole. The FE field only faintly resembles how corporate capitalism works, or how standard activism works (nobody has been offered a billion dollars to call off their protest), or the garage tinkerer world, and so on.

I have seen way too many newcomers fall into the pitfalls, never to be seen again:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

The situation of newcomers blithely falling into the pitfalls, and even eagerly diving into them at times, is a key part of the conundrum. The veterans are vulnerable to them, too, and many end up in one of those holes permanently, as they are never able to climb out.

It took me many years to figure out all the crazy and inexperienced reactions to the idea of FE, and I eventually put them into some kind of logical order:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

Many are put off by Dennis’s preacher persona and his P.T. Barnum imitation, and I cannot blame them. I eventually realized that those approaches did not attract the kind of people who could really help FE along. Personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity, which I learned the hard way:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

and that is, by far, the biggest single reason why we do not enjoy the benefits of FE today. It is seductive to think that those bad ol’ elites are the cause of our problems, but they are only a symptom. If a tiny fraction of us woke up and put our hearts in charge, we would have had FE long ago. I have written it before; the lamb’s path to FE may be the only one that will work. The Young Warriors are almost effortlessly taken out (and the Big Boys love a good slaughter):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

the mass movement approach always seeks the lowest-common-denominator, and you can’t out-herd the shepherd. Long ago, I remember reading Seth say that groups of people coming together out of shared positive intention, and coming with their individuality intact and their sentience turned up high, is the most formidable force of change on the planet. I read it as a teenager. I did not fully appreciate what he said until many years later. Heart-centered sentience, united around the true root of the human journey on Earth (the energy issue) is not only a “nice” approach to take, it may very well be the only one that will work. Pandering to scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

is to appeal to the ego. That will never work, IMO. Trying to sneak past people’s ego mechanisms is not an approach that interests me. Only people with a thirst for the truth and a love of humanity and Mother Earth can progress very far along the FE path. Anything less ends up in the pitfalls. Most newcomers scoff at that notion, and I only hope that once they fall into their first pitfall, if their lives were not wrecked by the experience, that my words might make more sense, and they will climb out and avoid the others and become Level 12s one day:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

This effort must be soul-centric, not ego-centric. That is no mean feat. Having an ego is the price of admission to life on Earth, and I wrestle with mine every day. Again, seeing the divinity in everybody, as we see past their frightened personalities in a world of scarcity, might be the most difficult feat on Earth, but those still active and productive in the FE field overcame their initial disgust with humanity as they began to understand how the land really lied, and saw deeper into the human spirit.

Again, a hundred heroes who have played close to this level and are still at it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

or a choir of ten thousand singing the abundance song because it is the song that everybody knows by heart and it is their song, not mine, can do the trick, I think.

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

The timeline is right, Wade, but the invention and the character reference do not seem to fit. Any religiously fervent believers are a red flag I have learned to look out for long ago. I'll see if I can access more of my memories in the next few days, not that it matters much either way.

I would like to comment on how I feel when you say to sing the abundance song. First off I want to yell and scream and begin my diatribe about how impossible it is to sing such a song and really mean it. Oh, you can pay it lip service. You can write about fluffy white clouds, blue skies and soft cuddly bunny rabbits but that does not deter the storm or the jackel at your door.

The next feeling is usually a more calming, counter to the first. This feeling is the satisfaction I feel in my ability to bend reality to my will. I have fashioned a life based on freedom and I have been quite successful in that regard, of course only as measured by my own yardstick.

Although on my terms I have been successful I would not call my life one of abundance. Yet I can imagine what life would be like if abundance were the paradigm of our society. I have imagined that my whole life, since a very early age. In that world my life, and the life of everyone would have been entirely different. I have always tried to behave in the way such citizens would behave by being helpful, considerate and understanding. Since I know much I have been very helpful even when I had no reward for doing so. I have gone way out of my way for people, friends or family or even strangers. I was going to give some examples but I won't. I have always been able to see my opponent's point-of-view, which makes it hard to "go for the kill (or throat)", if you know what I mean. In my business I charge what a job is worth - not the going rate or what I can get for it.

The confusion caused by trying to sing the song of abundance is the conflict of living in scarcity. So I await your interview and your essay to see where that might lead me.

Happy holidays, Sandy.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

OK, it may have been somebody else with a similar name. Alfred E. Newman was also pretty famous back then. Maybe it was him. :)

As always, your observations are real and welcome. Yes, you can’t fake the abundance song and hum along. They have be your lyrics, not mine. That is part of the conundrum. It is OK to be confused, and yes, imagining abundance while living in a world of scarcity is one of the hardest tricks on Earth. That is perhaps the crux of the conundrum. The Big Boys understand what I am saying about abundance very well, which is why they suppress FE as avidly as they do, why I have Internet stalkers, etc. They know that in a world of abundance, they would no longer be able to call the shots, and calling the shots is what it is all about to them, such are the perils of craving what they think of as power. That craving can never be satisfied, because it is rooted in fear, like greed is.

I am under no illusions that I am going to find an abundance chorus on a street corner that I somehow missed in my search. Nothing like that choir has ever been amassed before on Earth. This, I know, so this entire quest, burning up the past twenty years of my life on it, after barely surviving my adventures, can be seen as quite quixotic, but I have only "wasted" my life on it so far, and people like me have long-suffering spouses and famlily members, and it is no exception in my case.

As I have stated before, Joe Average will only begin to glimpse the abundance paradigm when FE has been delivered to his home, as Machiavelli observed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

I do not seek Joe Average, but am looking for those needles in haystacks, who are in the general population at a ratio of something like one in a thousand, if that, who are able to lay aside their scarcity-based indoctrination long enough to simply imagine abundance. As I said late in my first interview with Scott:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/6/dYth4J7YqDo

the gulf between what an abundance-based world looks like and the daily reality of the vast majority of people is too great for them. It is so far outside of their conception of the possible that it is unimaginable. My target audience is a small and potentially special one: people who can help imagine abundance into being before they have it in their daily reality. They call that being a visionary. :)

One of the crazy parts is that I know that the technology exists on the planet today to make that abundance-based reality happen almost overnight. But, all dominant ideologies are opposed to the appearance of abundance, because they are all founded on the root assumption of scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

So, I am not asking people to imagine something that is not real, chasing unicorns, etc. Many well-intended people are scientifically illiterate, and that is part of the problem. They look to establishment science for the answers, and on this issue and many others, that may be the last place that people should look to for the answers, and that is part of the conundrum, too.

This stuff ain’t easy, Ernie. If you are willing to muster the courage to just let all of those seemingly opposed ideas roll around in your head (an abundance-based world, when nothing outside of our doors looks that way), I am here to help you deal with it. If that proves too difficult or seems like I am chasing pink ponies, that is OK, too, but I think that you will find that holding those “crazy” thoughts in your mind is not time wasted.

Gotta go play in the yard right now.

Best,

Wade

[Jean-Luc]

Hi Wade

Good to be here again. We talked earlier on on this thread, a couple of months ago.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=106495&viewfull=1#post106495

Here is nice story of a French agricultural engineer, Fabrice André, who lives high up in the mountains and owns and runs a refuge in the Alps at 2000 m altitude.
http://www.refuge7.com/

The place is off-grid and entirely autonomous in terms of energy. Yet it welcomes tens of thousands of visitors each year. Solar energy (both thermal and photovoltaic), wind, hydroelectric, gas from organic wastes, etc.: All these energy sources are automatically optimized with specially developed electronics and software. Pretty impressive.

But the man is not only fond of conventional alternative energies. He is also in the field of very alternative energy (i.e. FE, although he more or less cautiously avoids the term) with a device he calls a magnetic degravitation over unity engine (coupling of neodymes magnets packed in mu-metal).

Quite an open and smart guy, you will see while watching the videos.

To my mind, not really the “want to become the Bill Gates of free energy” type of guy, quite the contrary.

No a guy hidden from the public eye or working in the utmost secrecy either.

Not the man who would have been offered the golden check either; which would perhaps mean, according to your experience on the subject, that he may simply not just be quite on the right track to cause any serious threat to the GC’s.
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

Yet, looking at the video, he seems pretty close (although that can certainly be said for many in the FE field).
Definitely a guy I would try to get in touch in the near future (I am incidentally also an agricultural engineer… and with the “abundance paradigm” in mind ever since 2006 when I first bumped into FE).

Although in French, I’d encourage you to peep through at least this video:
http://vimeo.com/12941625 (8 min)

This next one is probably a little more difficult to understand. It was on national French TV a little more than a year ago (they ran a whole special news coverage of 15 min or so) and it shows the context and the refuge itself.
http://w41k.info/49836

One final question: in case he is interested, which pages of your site you would specially recommend sharing with him as a base of open discussion on the subject?

Thanks !

Jean-Luc


PS. Thanks also for the amazing time devoted to answering the previous 35 pages of questions on this forum :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Jean-Luc:

I am not that old yet. I remember you and your questions well, and how can I forget a man with Captain Picard’s first name? :)

I can’t read or understand French, but it looks like a nice place to live. There are fringe dwellers here and there that may have something, like this Swiss commune:

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Methernitha/Thestatica/

But they no longer demo to the public, and keep it under wraps. If they do something like that, they can be left alone. That that guy avoids saying FE may be due to caution, in several ways (maintaining “credibility,” keeping his skin intact, etc.). Anybody who has something and starts making noise quickly gets pretty high on the radar. They usually are contacted in some way and strongly advised to play coy around FE, if they value their health. Usually, those who get that kind of message will not talk publicly about it, because they do not know who “they” are, where they are from, etc. That kind of strategy makes for reticent inventors, as if they don’t all play the secrecy game enough already. Of course, the vast majority keep their “secret sauce” secret until they start on the patent process, but as I stated earlier, those playing the patent game are defeated before they begin:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=240858&viewfull=1#post240858

If they want to play the secret sauce game, with “proprietary” stuff, they are also easily defeated. If they open source it (all three of those inventors), then they can begin to become dangerous, but nobody can make a FE device for commercial use in their garages, at least so far, so even open sourcing it does not help as much as you might think it would.

My introduction to the energy milieu was squeezing more energy out of a gallon of gasoline:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

and then super heat pumps:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#new

before we ever began thinking of FE. Brian O’s initial orientation was the usual suspects of alternative energy.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#udall

Most of my fellow travelers did not begin our journeys thinking in FE terms. That guy’s setup, getting more bang for the energy buck, is a typical early orientation. If that guy really has tapped the ZPF and has any idea what he is doing, then he knows that solar, wind, etc., is like a flea on an elephant, as far as its significance compared to FE. So, either he does not have it or is playing a game of one kind or another. It does not have to be a “bad” game, but can be a game of survival. Anybody who taps the ZPF in any significant way will come onto the radar, and they will soon get a “friendly” visit, especially some guy up in the mountains.

Again, I really do not have much interest in the inventor route to FE. Been there, done that, and realized that it was pretty much a dead end. FE inventors do not have a prayer in today’s environment, if bringing it to the world is their goal. In today’s environment, if anybody gets across that finish line, it will be because he was allowed to (about 11 minutes into this clip):

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/5/1LhLRS_9-Ms

Inventors are very, very rarely very interested in what I am doing. My published work is a multidisciplinary synthesis of the energy issue and the human journey. I would say that this post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=242420&viewfull=1#post242420

presents the most succinct summary of my writings on the FE front for now. My experience with inventors is that they are either in denial or paranoid regarding how the FE milieu really works. They really do not want to hear what I have to say. Normal inventing (as if there is such a thing) does not work in the FE field. The potential and peril is far too high for most mortals to ably deal with. Joe Newman is just one casualty of many. The “savvy” inventors hope for the friendly buyout offer, but that is one hell of a dangerous game to play. If the Big Boys know that that is the inventor’s motivation, they may just make an example of him, to discourage that sort of thing.

On keeping this thread going, this is why I joined, and some are beginning to understand what I am trying to do here. If I only helped five people begin to get on the wavelength, it would be well worth it, and I think that I have surpassed the goal. :)

This stuff is not easy to comprehend. It took me many years to arrive where I am today. Very few people have attained Level 12 and stayed there:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

They almost always need to wander into the other levels and think about them. As long as they are only thinking, they cannot get into too much trouble. To become a Level 12, it probably requires some kind of experience, to show how the land lies. It does not have to be in the FE milieu, and I direct people to where they can get gentler awakenings than playing on the FE battlefield:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing

Easy steps, first.

Best,

Wade

[Jean-Luc]

Thanks a lot Wade for your quick reply.

In order to save my eyes (and those of anyone else interested), I've just produced these PDFs from some of the major (?) sections of your (amazing) website.

Keys to Comprehending Abundance-Based Paradigms (11 pages)
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/Keys_to_Comprehending_Abundance-Based_Paradigms_Wade_Frazier_August_2008_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/Keys_to_Comprehending_Abundance-Based_Paradigms_Wade_Frazier_August_2008_US.pdf

The Free Energy Conundrum. Is Humanity Ready for Abundance? (7 pages)
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/The_Free_Energy_Conundrum_Is_Humanity_Ready_for_Abundance_Wade_Frazier_Dec_2005_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/The_Free_Energy_Conundrum_Is_Humanity_Ready_for_Abundance_Wade_Frazier_Dec_2005_US.pdf

Lessons Learned from My Journey (11 pages)
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/Lessons_Learned_from_My_Journey_Wade_Frazier_April_2010_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/Lessons_Learned_from_My_Journey_Wade_Frazier_April_2010_US.pdf

Global Racket Risk Analysis and the Threat that Dennis Lee Presented (4 pages)
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/Global_Racket_Risk_Analysis_and_the_Threat_that_Dennis_Lee_Presented_Wade_Frazier_July_2010_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/Global_Racket_Risk_Analysis_and_the_Threat_that_Dennis_Lee_Presented_Wade_Frazier_July_2010_US.pdf

My Upcoming Energy and Humanity Essay and Related Activism (4 pages)
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/My_Upcoming_Energy_and_Humanity_Essay_and_Related_Activism_Wade_Frazier_Oct_2010_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/My_Upcoming_Energy_and_Humanity_Essay_and_Related_Activism_Wade_Frazier_Oct_2010_US.pdf

My Radio Show Appearance with Carol Brouillet (6 pages)
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/My_Radio_Show_Appearance_with_Carol_Brouillet_Wade_Frazier_March_2008_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/My_Radio_Show_Appearance_with_Carol_Brouillet_Wade_Frazier_March_2008_US.pdf

The Medical Racket (83 pages)
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/The_Medical_Racket_Wade_Frazier_June_2011_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/The_Medical_Racket_Wade_Frazier_June_2011_US.pdf

Fluoridation: A Horror Story (18 pages)
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/Fluoridation_A_Horror_Story_Wade_Frazier_June_2011_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org/AHEALEDPLANET/Fluoridation_A_Horror_Story_Wade_Frazier_June_2011_US.pdf

Medical Dark Ages Quotes (43 pages)
http://vigli.org//AHEALEDPLANET/Medical_Dark_Ages_Quotes_Wade_Frazier_June_2011_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org//AHEALEDPLANET/Medical_Dark_Ages_Quotes_Wade_Frazier_June_2011_US.pdf

My adventures (30 pages)
http://vigli.org//AHEALEDPLANET/My_Adventures_Wade_Frazier_June_2008_A4.pdf
http://vigli.org//AHEALEDPLANET/My_Adventures_Wade_Frazier_June_2008_US.pdf

I need some time to get a grasp on all this, but by and large... I am with you and getting a pretty good understanding of your point of view.

Thanks again. I'll be back :)
Best

Jean-Luc

PS. http://vigli.org is my website on 911, the place where back in 2008 I published the translation of the http://patriotsquestion911.com website (500 pages of PDF's) based on the work of a group of 30 French speaking volunteers from Belgium, France, Quebec, and Africa. With a couple of activists-realists-truthers we also organized a couple of conferences with Richard Gage (whom I was honored to welcome home for a night), David Griffin and... this coming Wednesday Kevin Barrett.

By the way, VIGLI means "awake" or "awakening" in... esperanto :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Jean Luc:

Well, that is an honor to get some of my site in .pdf. Thanks. People have been suggesting to me for many years to do something like that for my site. Others have translated essays into foreign languages, etc. I have resisted doing much on that front, partly because I am more focused on the content, and the content has a long ways to go. Every essay can be written better. I like my newer essays better than my older essays, in general, but I look forward to when I can take a year and really make the site pretty good, but that may not be for several years yet. That is kind of why I am working on that energy essay. When I wrote the original site, it was before I discovered Bucky Fuller, and my writings are more paradigmatic now. I had the idea of writing a book for many years, but eventually gave it up with the advent of the Internet. Also, my work is heavily interlinked because it is so interdisciplinary, and that cannot be reflected in a book. At this time, I have no plans to make a printed version of my writings. They will only live on the Internet.

As I have previously stated, my initial orientation to the energy issue was technological:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

Then from the business end of it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

I eventually came to realize what dead ends those paths are. In our capitalistic, technologically-oriented world, almost nobody can even imagine a different approach, which is why there are so many questions on this thread about this or that inventor and if he has it or not. What very few have been able to understand yet is that it does not matter whether they have it or not. Lone inventors are dead meat. Inventors almost never support each other:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#alpha

so each one plays lone wolf and tries to become the alpha inventor and dominate the others if they ever get in the same room. That being the inventor culture, they are effortlessly taken out one at a time, if by some miracle they stumble onto what Sparky discovered:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sweet

The entire tinkering inventor path is a dead end for FE, but for anybody who peers into the field, that is almost all they ever hear of, as this inventor or that inventor tries to scale the ramparts. This graph (which you know well):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#graphic

shows where tinkering inventors are on the scale of making it happen. The vast majority never even become a nuisance. They either never come up with anything or they defeat themselves, or their allies do, or the lower level predators (local energy interests) eat them. Godzilla rarely needs to get involved. That everybody new to the field focuses on some would-be contender is part of the conundrum, too. It is way past time to look in different directions to solve the riddle. I have found that those who keep advocating the tinkerer path have about zero experience in bringing disruptive technologies to market, especially disruptive energy technologies. Nobody else has ever played at the level that Dennis has:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

and I was a rapt pupil. Dennis still tries variations of that approach, probably because he is not fit for anything else. The Indiana Joneses rely on their bullwhips too much. A few bull-whippers have gotten to the stage where they made enough commotion that they needed some special treatment, but not many.

I have poked into 9/11 deeply enough to know that we are not being told the whole story, not even remotely, and that that can be a very deep rabbit hole to dive into:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#sept11

a lot deeper than I have time to fully explore. Even if the inside-job aspect of 9/11 is true, it still is just a symptom of our malaise, not a cause. All of the antics of the global elites are only symptoms, not causes, as hard as that is for conspiracists to accept.

The tunnel vision of the structuralists:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

only sees part of the picture, too, and structuralists and conspiracists have their victim-oriented mentality in common. It is time to begin acting like creators, not victims, and take responsibility for this world that we created. When we finally do that, then we can change it, and creators do it with love.

Best,

Wade

[Jean-Luc]

Glad you like the PDFs.
I've added a couple more of them in the post above.

Thanks for your interesting insights.

I've been thinking right from the start or so (2006) that the only way out regarding making FE technology exist in one way or another was to GIVE IT AWAY... (even if it probably is not that simple).
Just like unconditional love, after all.

This won't prevent the biggest force on earth (inertia / denial) to delay its blossoming for some time, but it will change our world for ever.
I remember talking personaly to Henri Deacon / Arthur Neuman in Amsterdam and him saying that, according to him, FE was meant soon or later to blossom like "seeds in the spring" all over the place.

Scarcity walks hand to hand with fear and egocentrism. One way to combat egocentrism is to just let it go.
Won't suffice, but it will help considerably.

Yes, I am a dreamer :)

Best
Jean-Luc

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Jean-Luc:

Keep dreaming, young man. Imagining the end game is vitally important. Yes, cracking the FE nut will likely shift humanity’s paradigm from one of scarcity to abundance, and nothing remotely that big has ever graced our species before. As you are realizing, the critical part of the conundrum is that it most likely necessitates a new way of being to bring it into reality. That is the crux of that question that I have asked for so many years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#question

There are no easy answers, but there really are. Enough heart-centered sentience could easily make FE happen, but achieving that awareness is the hard part, especially in a world of scarcity and fear. As long as we think like victims, we perpetuate the paradigm. I have to be vigilant every day to not fall into the old ways of thinking and being, and some days are better than others, that is for sure. The capitalist/inventor route is a dead end in today’s environment. A hundred heroes could do it, too, but there are not a hundred to find, not this kind:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

Almost everybody who brushes up against this issue fails to escape the gravity wells of their favorite brands of scarcity-based ideology:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

The “walking the razor’s edge” statement that I often make is not hyperbole. I have only encountered, maybe, a handful who have successfully shed their indoctrination enough to bring the abundance-based picture into view, and do it in a way where they can see the futility of the scarcity-based way of approaching the problem.

Again, there is not a tougher nut to crack on Earth, but it is the worthiest nut to crack that I know of. It is worth at least trying to wrap our minds around it.

Best,

Wade

[Ba-ba-Ra]

. . . . . . . . . . .
The confusion caused by trying to sing the song of abundance is the conflict of living in scarcity. So I await your interview and your essay to see where that might lead me.

Happy holidays, Sandy.

Hi Ernie (Sandy), I agree and my personal experience with that has been to go back one step further. If you can repeat a mantra something like: "I want to get to the point where I can sing the song of abundance and truly believe it." Then periodically test the results. Perhaps this will help.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wow, Jean-Luc, thats a lot of work, nice.

Ba-ba-ra.
I understand abundance, I know it can be here tomorrow, and that it could have been here twenty, thirty years ago as well. We could have had abundance without FE, without technology of any kind for that matter. It seems to be a question of how "abundance" is defined. To me, abundance has nothing at all to do with money or possessions. To me abundance has more to do with love, kindness, understanding. To live in a world of abundance means there are copious amounts of positive qualities surrounding me to uplift me and support me on my mission, here on earth. To me abundance means meaningful fulfillment. To me abundance means lots of value.
From that comes all else. But before that comes, FE and material abundance for all is impossible. FE and material abundance cannot occur in a capitalistic society because the two are diametrically opposed. Capitalism, like all other "isms", presupposes local inequities and inequalities - There is always room to aquire more.
In a society based on abundance the idea of aquiring more for the sake of having more would not be pertinent.

I do truly believe in abundance, but I also understand what is at stake and what must change. That is where I am focussed. I started a thread on the requirements of Peace, entitled World Peace. The replies veered off course but my main objective was to expose people to the rudimentary requirements for World Peace. That thread has received over a thousand views and I am happy with that.

Abundance is an idea, just as scarcity is. It is what those ideas require to manifest that is the root of our discusion here, IMO. We know what creates a scarcity based paradigm because we live in the middle of it - we have manifested scarcity. Scarcity is part of our thinking. The question is, IMO, what does it take to create an abundance paradigm where abundance is part of our thinking. In other words, how can we promote love and fellowship amongst all peoples.

I hope my style can shake a few people up a bit, that's all.
We need to be woken up.

My message is that while we persue these exotic technologies we also begin to look within ourselves and start to balance the world of our hearts with the world of our minds. That is the road to peace and abundance.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

In this world, you cannot effectively divorce ideas from material reality, or convincingly put one before the other; they are deeply interconnected and interact. We get to try out our bright ideas in the material world and see how they work. That is the game that we are playing here. :) Earth is no easy classroom.

In the USA, every child by age five is taught very clearly how to be peaceful, how to be a good citizen, and so on:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#forgetting

So, why is my nation Earth’s most violent, inflicting vast genocides onto foreign peoples?

http://www.countercurrents.org/polya071007.htm

Economics.

How could the Western media not laugh when Tony Blair said that oil never crossed his mind when he decided to help his buddy (and former oil executive) George Bush invade Iraq?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/116863-britains-blair-steadfast-on-iraq-decision-in-new-memoir

Anybody with a clue was not surprised to hear that it was all about oil:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-oil-blood-money-and-blairs-last-scandal-2033114.html

How can the public be so stupid as to buy such transparent lies? The fact is, that stupidity is intentional:

http://www.counterpunch.org/publius07152003.html

and people who have not been intentionally stupid have seen through those games for a very long time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#twain

Scarcity and abundance are not just ideas, they are economic realities. You once mentioned how a relative from war-torn Europe burst into tears when seeing a supermarket’s shelves groaning with food. That is a dramatic instance of somebody being introduced to what looks like physical abundance (it was not real and universal abundance, but relative abundance).

Up until the industrial era, the primary preoccupation of all civilizations of all time was getting enough food to eat:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

As that great generalist Bucky Fuller said, scarcity has been the primary motivation of all soldiers for all time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#soldier

Appeal to scarcity-based ideologies like nationalism, and how the “enemy” threatens the “good people,” and you can get any nation to march to war:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#goering

I come from a family of warriors, where every one of my male ancestors since the early 1900s and their brothers (as well as my brothers) served in America’s imperial military, and I almost did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#business

Part of my heritage is what is known as rural poor, or what they call redneck (white trash, hillbillies, etc.) in the USA. Joe Bageant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bageant (I just discovered that he died when making the above link, alas. I’ll run out and buy his latest book, now).

has written very perceptively about that class of people, and why they have been America’s cannon fodder since the very beginning of the European invasion of North America. He was writing about my ancestors, and how the Scots-Irish culture in the USA kind of began with Hadrian’s Wall when the Romans were kicking butt in England, and when the Vikings/English got into the act, southern Scotland near the Wall became a constant war zone, with the people there trying to eke out a living off the land between invasions. Once the English finally conquered them, they got used as cannon fodder for “settling”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster

Ireland, as the English finished conquering their neighbors. When the English eventually began to invade North America, those same hapless “borderer Scots” were used as buffer peoples between the nascent landed gentry in the good lands of Virginia and the Indians who were being dispossessed. The English got all the good land in the valley bottoms, while the “buffer peoples” got the hills, where you really could not farm very easily, but were reduced to hunting deer and squirrels. That is where America’s “hillbillies” came from, and that rural poor culture, as they became America’s cannon fodder, were a bunch of flag-saluting warriors, marching off to wars in distant lands. Before Dennis had his awakening:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#voice

he had his rite of passage in the military, and got in fist fights with any fellow soldiers who dared say anything bad about America. When a man’s prospects in life are poor, it is not too difficult to convince him to go play soldier, as he inflicts great evils onto others. Nobody wants to believe that they serve evil, so they play many games in their heads to turn murder and exploitation into noble deeds. American nationalistic ideology is founded on that principle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#bitter

All groups of men can easily become mass murderers.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#browning

So, along with all the lessons in kindergarten about being a good citizen comes the glorification of violence and warfare as a noble undertaking, and all of those dominant ideologies have scarcity as their underlying premise:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

they all are egocentric, and they work, because adhering to them gives people a full belly. As I wrote in my latest change to my site, there is only one great ape species that was able to avoid the murderer-male syndrome, the bonobos:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#bonobo

How did they do it? The evidence today is pretty clear. In the fluctuating climate of the Pleistocene Ice Age, as the African rain forest grew and shrank, gorillas migrated away from a region when it dried up, but the chimpanzees stayed. Gorillas evolved to eat more leafy matter than chimpanzees did, and gorillas therefore could become more sedentary, and their social organization reflected it. Where gorillas and chimpanzees occupied the same area, the gorillas got the leafy matter while the chimpanzees had to roam more to get their food (mainly fruit). Because the chimpanzee diet was more restricted, their foraging parties had to be smaller, and they were male-dominated. The males always dominated due to their superiority of violence. All of the great apes are dimorphic, so they can physically dominate the females. However, with the bonobos, it was different. Because the gorillas migrated away during a dry epoch (when the glaciers were expanding to the north) and never returned, the remaining chimpanzees evolved to eat that leafy matter, their foraging parties could become larger, and the females eventually were able to overcome the male penchant for violence and essentially ganged up on them. Now, the bonobos know peace, and are the only ape species, including humans, who enjoy it. Why? Economics.

In the human journey, there are extremely few examples of pre-industrial civilizations that did not have some form of forced servitude. Slavery was “normal” in a world of sedentary humans and economic deprivation. Slavery did not end in the West until rising standards of living due to industrialization made the institution obsolete. We still have varieties of forced servitude today (and more so in the poorer nations), even if it is relatively benign taxation, which is why I say we are still a scarcity-based society, even in history’s richest and most powerful nation.

There are some examples that we can point to, of pre-industrialized civilizations that did not have warriors and slaves, such as the Chumash of California. However, the evidence is strong that, like all pre-industrial civilizations, they were vulnerable to climate fluctuations, and when they got hungry, they had wars. The Chumash were able to create a regionally-integrated economy, where starvation became a thing of the past, and in their rich material culture, with the easy-living conditions of the Southern California coast, they are one of the few cultures ever discovered that was not warlike, had no forced servitude, and would have been a very nice place to live. Of course, they were nearly entirely exterminated by the Spanish mission system:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#serra

I hunted for Chumash artifacts as a child under the supervision of an anthropologist, as she searched for a site for a dig.

I did my interview on this part of my site:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#stage1

with Scott yesterday. While we followed the outline of those sections, I think that my favorite part of that talk was near the end, when we were just chatting about the FE conundrum and the motivation of everybody who I respect in that field. They are all overgrown Boy Scouts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

who desired for nothing more than helping to heal humanity and the planet. We all began our journeys naively, and eventually woke up when we realized that almost nobody else was motivated like we were, and how the system is based on Big Evil Lies.

When slavery ended, it was not like everybody at once decided that that evil institution must end. It was brought about by rising living standards, and people began to realize that slavery was not cool. If FE made its appearance, it is very likely that all of the ideologies and institutions that justify genocide and exploitation will become obsolete. That was part of what Scott and I talked about.

The fact is, like Machiavelli stated:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

the average person is going to wake up to FE and the idea of abundance when FE is delivered to his home. That is the reality of life on Earth and our currently semi-sentient species. I can wish for it to be different, and I hope that one day it is, but these are the people whom we share the planet with today, and people like me have felt the call to help us get someplace a lot better.

It really would not take many of us, but achieving that heart-centered sentience that can leap the octave is the hard part. Ideas and material reality are deeply conjoined. As Brian O said in a recent interview, many “New Agey” types seem to have the “let's love each other” message down, but they do not have a practical bone in their bodies of how to bring it about. I survived the front lines of making practical attempts, and I am here to share what I learned. Among the lessons that I learned, I found that a few Boy Scouts can’t do it, that the people ruling the world purposely keep us mired in scarcity so they can keep calling the shots, and that more people with their hearts in the right place, who have also engaged their brains, are what is needed to give something like FE and abundance a chance of manifesting on Earth. In today’s world, that is not only the “nice” way to do it; it may very well be the only way with a prayer.

Keep up the observations, young man.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

and that more people with their hearts in the right place, who have also engaged their brains, are what is needed to give something like FE and abundance a chance of manifesting on Earth. In today’s world, that is not only the “nice” way to do it; it may very well be the only way with a prayer.




That sums up the situation nicely Wade. BTW, never forget that sometimes a "Hail Mary" pass connects... Game over...


Cheers,
Fred

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Fred, and yes, and this would be the Hail Mary for the ages....

[eaglespirit]

Hi Ernie:

In this world, you cannot effectively divorce ideas from material reality, or convincingly put one before the other; they are deeply interconnected and interact. We get to try out our bright ideas in the material world and see how they work. That is the game that we are playing here. :) Earth is no easy classroom.

In the USA, every child by age five is taught very clearly how to be peaceful, how to be a good citizen, and so on:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#forgetting

So, why is my nation Earth’s most violent, inflicting vast genocides onto foreign peoples?

http://www.countercurrents.org/polya071007.htm

Economics.

How could the Western media not laugh when Tony Blair said that oil never crossed his mind when he decided to help his buddy (and former oil executive) George Bush invade Iraq?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/116863-britains-blair-steadfast-on-iraq-decision-in-new-memoir

Anybody with a clue was not surprised to hear that it was all about oil:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-oil-blood-money-and-blairs-last-scandal-2033114.html

How can the public be so stupid as to buy such transparent lies? The fact is, that stupidity is intentional:

http://www.counterpunch.org/publius07152003.html

and people who have not been intentionally stupid have seen through those games for a very long time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#twain

Scarcity and abundance are not just ideas, they are economic realities. You once mentioned how a relative from war-torn Europe burst into tears when seeing a supermarket’s shelves groaning with food. That is a dramatic instance of somebody being introduced to what looks like physical abundance (it was not real and universal abundance, but relative abundance).

Up until the industrial era, the primary preoccupation of all civilizations of all time was getting enough food to eat:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

As that great generalist Bucky Fuller said, scarcity has been the primary motivation of all soldiers for all time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#soldier

Appeal to scarcity-based ideologies like nationalism, and how the “enemy” threatens the “good people,” and you can get any nation to march to war:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#goering

I come from a family of warriors, where every one of my male ancestors since the early 1900s and their brothers (as well as my brothers) served in America’s imperial military, and I almost did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#business

Part of my heritage is what is known as rural poor, or what they call redneck (white trash, hillbillies, etc.) in the USA. Joe Bageant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bageant (I just discovered that he died when making the above link, alas. I’ll run out and buy his latest book, now).

has written very perceptively about that class of people, and why they have been America’s cannon fodder since the very beginning of the European invasion of North America. He was writing about my ancestors, and how the Scots-Irish culture in the USA kind of began with Hadrian’s Wall when the Romans were kicking butt in England, and when the Vikings/English got into the act, southern Scotland near the Wall became a constant war zone, with the people there trying to eke out a living off the land between invasions. Once the English finally conquered them, they got used as cannon fodder for “settling”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster

Ireland, as the English finished conquering their neighbors. When the English eventually began to invade North America, those same hapless “borderer Scots” were used as buffer peoples between the nascent landed gentry in the good lands of Virginia and the Indians who were being dispossessed. The English got all the good land in the valley bottoms, while the “buffer peoples” got the hills, where you really could not farm very easily, but were reduced to hunting deer and squirrels. That is where America’s “hillbillies” came from, and that rural poor culture, as they became America’s cannon fodder, were a bunch of flag-saluting warriors, marching off to wars in distant lands. Before Dennis had his awakening:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#voice

he had his rite of passage in the military, and got in fist fights with any fellow soldiers who dared say anything bad about America. When a man’s prospects in life are poor, it is not too difficult to convince him to go play soldier, as he inflicts great evils onto others. Nobody wants to believe that they serve evil, so they play many games in their heads to turn murder and exploitation into noble deeds. American nationalistic ideology is founded on that principle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#bitter

All groups of men can easily become mass murderers.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#browning

So, along with all the lessons in kindergarten about being a good citizen comes the glorification of violence and warfare as a noble undertaking, and all of those dominant ideologies have scarcity as their underlying premise:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

they all are egocentric, and they work, because adhering to them gives people a full belly. As I wrote in my latest change to my site, there is only one great ape species that was able to avoid the murderer-male syndrome, the bonobos:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#bonobo

How did they do it? The evidence today is pretty clear. In the fluctuating climate of the Pleistocene Ice Age, as the African rain forest grew and shrank, gorillas migrated away from a region when it dried up, but the chimpanzees stayed. Gorillas evolved to eat more leafy matter than chimpanzees did, and gorillas therefore could become more sedentary, and their social organization reflected it. Where gorillas and chimpanzees occupied the same area, the gorillas got the leafy matter while the chimpanzees had to roam more to get their food (mainly fruit). Because the chimpanzee diet was more restricted, their foraging parties had to be smaller, and they were male-dominated. The males always dominated due to their superiority of violence. All of the great apes are dimorphic, so they can physically dominate the females. However, with the bonobos, it was different. Because the gorillas migrated away during a dry epoch (when the glaciers were expanding to the north) and never returned, the remaining chimpanzees evolved to eat that leafy matter, their foraging parties could become larger, and the females eventually were able to overcome the male penchant for violence and essentially ganged up on them. Now, the bonobos know peace, and are the only ape species, including humans, who enjoy it. Why? Economics.

In the human journey, there are extremely few examples of pre-industrial civilizations that did not have some form of forced servitude. Slavery was “normal” in a world of sedentary humans and economic deprivation. Slavery did not end in the West until rising standards of living due to industrialization made the institution obsolete. We still have varieties of forced servitude today (and more so in the poorer nations), even if it is relatively benign taxation, which is why I say we are still a scarcity-based society, even in history’s richest and most powerful nation.

There are some examples that we can point to, of pre-industrialized civilizations that did not have warriors and slaves, such as the Chumash of California. However, the evidence is strong that, like all pre-industrial civilizations, they were vulnerable to climate fluctuations, and when they got hungry, they had wars. The Chumash were able to create a regionally-integrated economy, where starvation became a thing of the past, and in their rich material culture, with the easy-living conditions of the Southern California coast, they are one of the few cultures ever discovered that was not warlike, had no forced servitude, and would have been a very nice place to live. Of course, they were nearly entirely exterminated by the Spanish mission system:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#serra

I hunted for Chumash artifacts as a child under the supervision of an anthropologist, as she searched for a site for a dig.

I did my interview on this part of my site:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#stage1

with Scott yesterday. While we followed the outline of those sections, I think that my favorite part of that talk was near the end, when we were just chatting about the FE conundrum and the motivation of everybody who I respect in that field. They are all overgrown Boy Scouts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

who desired for nothing more than helping to heal humanity and the planet. We all began our journeys naively, and eventually woke up when we realized that almost nobody else was motivated like we were, and how the system is based on Big Evil Lies.

When slavery ended, it was not like everybody at once decided that that evil institution must end. It was brought about by rising living standards, and people began to realize that slavery was not cool. If FE made its appearance, it is very likely that all of the ideologies and institutions that justify genocide and exploitation will become obsolete. That was part of what Scott and I talked about.

The fact is, like Machiavelli stated:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

the average person is going to wake up to FE and the idea of abundance when FE is delivered to his home. That is the reality of life on Earth and our currently semi-sentient species. I can wish for it to be different, and I hope that one day it is, but these are the people whom we share the planet with today, and people like me have felt the call to help us get someplace a lot better.

It really would not take many of us, but achieving that heart-centered sentience that can leap the octave is the hard part. Ideas and material reality are deeply conjoined. As Brian O said in a recent interview, many “New Agey” types seem to have the “let's love each other” message down, but they do not have a practical bone in their bodies of how to bring it about. I survived the front lines of making practical attempts, and I am here to share what I learned. Among the lessons that I learned, I found that a few Boy Scouts can’t do it, that the people ruling the world purposely keep us mired in scarcity so they can keep calling the shots, and that more people with their hearts in the right place, who have also engaged their brains, are what is needed to give something like FE and abundance a chance of manifesting on Earth. In today’s world, that is not only the “nice” way to do it; it may very well be the only way with a prayer.

Keep up the observations, young man.

Best,

Wade

Good Morning Wade...Once again I would like to Thank You for all of the 'points' brought forth as they resonate with my culminating takes 'of it all' through the years...it is wonderful to see and read it laid out by You...tremendous...and I do hope more people that are riding a higher vibration tune into Your sharing of Your research and experiences and writings and efforts of the highest kind...I certainly will pass it on whenever there is someone in front of me that will really appreciate it in helping move Us ALL forward.

The 'Nipmuc" Tribe in my area in New England were very similar to the Chumash in that they were primarily non-warring in nature...even sharing Their home territory openly with others...other tribes and then europeans,
as in Webster Lake
(Lake ChargoggagoggmanchauggagoggChaubunagungamaugg)...this is the area where I had my 'connections' in 1/2007. The Nipmuc never brought any 'disagreements' with other Tribes to the lake...it was considered 'sacred' peace waters. I am honored and humbled to have had that happen on a Nipmuc Ceremony and Burial Hill next door in Dudley,MA....I was born in Webster.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi eaglespirit:

Thanks. The American Indian and the pre-Columbian Western Hemisphere has been a particular source of fascination for me over the years. I am almost an eighth Indian, but my grandparents would never admit it, which was a vestige from the “Indians are subhuman” days. But, it was not until I began reading stuff like Howard Zinn’s A People’s History and Stannard’s American Holocaust (encountered after my radicalizing days in the FE biz) about what really happened to the original inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere, that I started waking up to what a Big Lie my American indoctrination was. From the “news”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#big

to “history”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#more

to the wonders of capitalism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#colonialism

the conditioning went deep. If I had not gone on my ridiculous journey with Dennis, I probably would not have had much of a chance to wake up like I did.

I have been doing a lot of reading on anthropology in preparation for my upcoming essay. A great deal of it was concerned with the American Indian and, believe it or not, some Indians became anthropologists. American Indian anthropology is a highly contentious field, with deep political overtones. From the debates over the megafaunal extinctions:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5

To what the Western Hemisphere was like in 1491:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#before

to the many cultural differences between the Indians and Europeans:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#culture

it has been a deeply interesting area of research, but it was also heartbreaking in many ways, as I think about what was lost. While the “subhuman savage” and “noble savage” ideas were caricatures, there was far more to fascinate about the American Indian than there was to deplore. They were not subhuman or superhuman, but human, and they had a lot about their societies that the Europeans copied (such as the Iroquoian form of government):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#iroquois

Yes, many North American Indian tribes had modes of governance that hailed from a far more enlightened perspective than what the Europeans brought to this land, and the ancestors of the Nipmuc had a rough ride,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#thanksgiving

as you well know. Their relatively-low population density had to do with their relatively peaceful ways, but they also obviously brought some high sentience to the issues. Stuff like the Great Law of Peace and counting coup and how the Nipmuc interacted with their neighbors and visitors were enlightened methods of dealing with the vagaries of life on Earth and our ape heritage.

Glad that you are out there,

Wade

[Dennis Leahy]

Wade, I have only scratched the surface of your website (having read maybe 30 or 40 pages), but I am always amazed and delighted to dive back in and read some more. You have such a refreshing honesty and a such a clear presentation style. The true history of the US elite, slave-owning, genocidal "founding fathers" is no exception.

I'm just shouting words of encouragement and gratitude from off-stage. Thank you!

Dennis

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Dennis:

Thanks for the encouragement. It looks like in the next few years, I will be able to take a year off from my day job and make those writings a bit better. I have a close relative who was directly descended from good ol' Chris Columbus:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm

and that Columbus essay is not very popular among some family members. :)

Best,

Wade

[Dennis Leahy]

Hi Dennis:

Thanks for the encouragement. It looks like in the next few years, I will be able to take a year off from my day job and make those writings a bit better. I have a close relative who was directly descended from good ol' Chris Columbus:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm

and that Columbus essay is not very popular among some family members. :)

Best,

Wade
Wade,

Again, I am in awe of your work, and thankful for your diligence and perseverance in presenting this topic. Kudos as well for the college professors with enough integrity to present your essay to some young minds, for what is likely the first lesson in true history they have ever experienced. It's true that I am among the many that had become aware that what I was taught in school about Columbus was a steaming pile, but the extent of the genocidal invasions he led goes far beyond what I thought I knew.

"Columbus Day" would more properly be spent in deep meditation and deep introspection, punctuated with bouts of sobbing in mourning for the genocidal slaughter.

Dennis

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Dennis:

Yes, Columbus Day sure should not be a day of celebration. That Columbus essay was one of the first that I wrote for my site as it stands today, with the first draft written in about 1998. I cannot look at my earlier essays without wanting to rewrite them. I would not change much of the gist of them, especially for that essay, except for perhaps one thing: the Taino may have survived, at least somewhat. I have seen the essay disparaged in some native circles because the Taino survived. That is a difficult subject, for a few reasons.

I think it likely that they were completely exterminated on Espanola (update: after doing some more reading on the subject, there may have been survival on Espanola, too, of some tiny fraction of the original populace), and may have eked out some survival on some of the other islands, and some fled to South America, but were probably never too far ahead of the Conquistadors. Espanola was where the first Spanish colony in the New World was established, and the gold strike of 1499 was when the Spanish really became avid. Until then, the carnage was breathtaking, but when gold was finally discovered, the Spanish showed no mercy. By 1499, the local population was already in steep decline, but when gold was discovered, the Spanish accelerated the process of working the natives to death. Within a few years, the natives on Espanola began becoming scarce, and the Spanish then began raiding the Bahamas for slaves. By 1513, there was not a soul to be found in the Bahamas, and those islands were uninhabited for the next 135 years, when the English began to colonize it. Ponce de Leon invaded Puerto Rico in 1508, and then Florida in 1513, always looking for slaves and gold. The Spanish had to keep searching further and further away for slaves. So, many natives from the Caribbean periphery ended up on Espanola. There has been genetics testing that has shown Native American mitochondrial DNA in native-looking Puerto Ricans, for instance, but I do not think that they can tell what island the ancestor came from, and because the Spanish were such excellent rapists, and the African slaves that subsequently came over were mostly men, the native women were the main instruments of reproduction, so it is easy to imagine that there were some mixed-blood remnants of the natives, carrying around their mother's mitochondrial DNA, and when the populations eventually grew again, several generations later, that DNA then went along on the ride, to where there is a lot of Indian DNA in certain Caribbean groups. If any original groups survived at all, it was probably because they hid in the mountains.

While I am sympathetic to claims that the Taino survived, if they were "only" 99.9% exterminated, their culture certainly did not survive intact. It is a subject that I have read up on over the years since I wrote that essay, but I will have to do a pretty deep dive before I update that section. I'll say this, the standard population decline of natives who met the European interlopers was about 95%, whether it was the New World, the South Pacific, Australia, and so on (disease was the largest cause). Island populations are more vulnerable than continental ones. It is pretty grim subject matter, and I do not look forward all that much to revisiting that area, but will need to, one day before long.

Best,

Wade

[Scott]

Wade Frazier's new Nexus Interview is now available to listen to.

Link: Nexus Interviews - Wade Frazier - Free Energy in 3 Stages (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?3558-Nexus-Interviews-Wade-Frazier-Free-Energy-in-3-Stages)

Principles for mounting a successful free energy effort in three stages

Early Stage

• It must be loving
• It cannot be money-hungry
• It must be enlightened, or at least aspire to it
• It cannot invite the darkness in, or those easily susceptible to it
• Paradoxically, the power is with us

Intermediate Stage

• Developing the technology
• Virtually giving it away
• Educating people about the big picture.

Advanced Stage

• Replace all present fuels
• Desalinate ocean water
• Mine asteroids
• Infinitely recycle waste
• No more razing forests or exploiting ecosystems
• Most would become vegetarian
• All epochal phases of human journey based on energy surplus, which influenced all social, economic and political systems

Enjoy

Scott

[DoubleHelix]

Cheers Scott and Wade, great interview !

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Hey Scott, that was quick! I just listened to it. That just might be my new favorite interview. :) Thanks again for giving me a platform to say that stuff. That is the subject matter that I most want to discuss, along with understanding the big picture of how the human journey is oriented around the energy issue.

Sleep tight,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks DoubleHelix. Doing them with Scott is fun.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

Great interview Wade.

The statement that FE has already been weaponized seems to point to exactly what we are saying about scarcity based thinking. It is based on threat and fear. It colors our viewpoint; it is like a filter, allowing some avenues of thought but not others. And it affects our priorities.

That statement made me think of the ramifications of FE science that have been left out of this discusion so far. Things like anti-gravity, force fields, time travel, jump rooms, or even just radical propulsion systems, transmutation of elements, instantaneous communication links, dimensional portals. And those are just off the top of my scarcity-infused head.

As always, lots to think about.

[Hughe]

Thank you Scott and Wade for the interview again.

Can we add the world peace - no more wars on that bullets?

Free energy is real.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

Thanks. As one pal said, I am having more fun with those interviews. One day, when I really get a conversation going in a sub-forum, there will be a thread or two devoted to FE physics and the nuts and bolts stuff, and the many other areas where the suppressed technologies can come into play. I plan to invite people into the conversation a lot more qualified than I am to discuss those subjects. I decided to “specialize” in the political-economic aspects of FE because I saw that it really was not being discussed, and it is a critical part of the big picture that very few seemed to grasp. It was later that I discovered that I was being a generalist.

It looks like Adam Trombly is going to follow me on Scott’s show, and he is certainly qualified to discuss a lot of the FE science. You can hear him doing some of it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuLCSOKV4Y

Debating FE physics, however, can really become a rabbit hole. Most don’t want to go there and really do not understand much of it. In my upcoming energy essay, there will be plenty of science in it, but I will keep it at a level where most will understand, and I only will do it so that the energy issue is understood. Brian O found that discussing FE physics is when people’s eyes would begin glazing over. In its proper thread, FE physics can be a worthwhile discussion, and I started a thread, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=138601&viewfull=1#post138601

Best,

Wade

Hi Hughe:

The end of that list deals with social organization and is where war comes into the picture. As I state in the end of that chart:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

“Do we have Heaven on Earth, or do we blow it up?”

The motivation of all soldiers has been scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#soldier

so, you would certainly think that the end of wars would quickly follow the introduction of FE technology, but that is also one of the greatest fears of the FE deniers. The transition period might be tricky. I certainly talk about the end of warfare in the interview, but also acknowledge, as Ernie says, that the exotic technologies have been weaponized, which is consistent with the dark pather types who run the world.

While that theme is clearly throughout my work, I can ask Scott to add a line like, “The end of human exploitation of other humans, and warfare” to that bullet point list, but that was really just an outline for the interview. That essay deals with the warfare issue at length.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hey Scott and Wade! Great interview :)

Loved it!

Thank you Scott for providing the platform and thank you Wade for accepting the invitation!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

I am glad that you liked it. It was a fun one to do. Most of my interviews so far have been oriented around the war stories. Soldiers who have really seen battle do not like to talk about it, and partly why I wrote my site was so that I would not have to constantly talk about it, especially with people whose minds get blown by the simple facts of my journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

But, I understand that most people living "normal" lives have about zero frame of reference for a journey like mine, other than what they see in the movies. Living that stuff in real life is another matter. But, it was what I learned from those days that was important, and it has informed all of my efforts since then, so they were important experiences, however traumatic they were.

When I get challenged on the billion dollar bribe that Dennis received:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

it is always by people with zero high-level experience in the field, and they can't wrap their minds around such a situation (and cannot comprehend the motivation of somebody who would turn it down – and I fully admit that there are only a few like Dennis walking on the planet today), but if they get stuck in denial on something like that, they cannot begin to comprehend the big picture around this situation, and it is big.

When I have talked about that bribe with pals, I say that my point is not that a bribe like that happened, but what you learn when you play at the level where bribes like that are offered. In many ways it was real life, almost too real, and in other ways, it did not seem real. Again, I have a hard time understanding what Dennis has lived through, and I was there for the most dramatic years of his journey.

So, while I understand people's need to ask questions about situations like that, which are so much larger than life, it is a great pleasure to have a conversation like I had with Scott, where we get beyond the war stories (at least mostly! :) ) and can talk about what can be and what we can do about it.

Very few from the general public will be interested in my program for bringing FE to the world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

because none of it seems easy, and much of it challenges their indoctrination and view of reality, and only those who are actively working on shedding their indoctrination can get very far along that path. That is part of the conundrum. So, my program is not one for the masses, but for that one-in-a-thousand or so who lay aside their scarcity-based indoctrination for long enough to at least contribute their awareness to the issue.

It is an approach that I have not seen before, mainly because nobody has ever succeeded in finding and amassing enough of those needles in haystacks. The Internet is creating an opportunity that previously did not exist before, and I am trying to take advantage of it. We will see how it goes.

I was just talking last night with somebody about the bases on Mars, the global elite games and so on (regarding somebody who has played at those levels – that stuff is not science fiction, but all too real). At high levels on the side of the "good guys," there is a lot of pessimism that humanity can wake up in time before Mother Earth says, "Game over!" I am sympathetic to that perspective, especially those of environmental scientists. But, I think that we are going to have a happy ending. We are getting help, and will get more, but we also have to put forth the effort to get over the hump. This is a test, a world-level test, and for many of us, this is what we came here for. The years ahead should be "interesting," to say the least. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

An aside on a Friday afternoon….

All this Avalon and interview activity is bringing up many memories, the kind that I had not revisited in a while – it is a mixed bag, remembering those days, but sometimes it is kind of fun. I really do not get to talk about that stuff with too many of the right kind of people. About the time that Dennis was getting out of jail the first time, and I was coming out of the darkest period of my life:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

I distinctly remember a weird experience that I fleetingly had. There was some part of me that was fascinated by what I was going through. I do not know what part that was, and it may have not have been "me," but whoever sent me here, whatever we want to call it. That part that was going "ooh, wow, isn't that interesting?" kind of ticked off the part of me that had to live through it on a daily basis. I remember that sense of fascination and even awe, but it was also something that my Earthly personality was far from thrilled in experiencing. It did not happen often, but there were times when I could sense that kind of split, where one part was fascinated, and another part would rather have been anyplace else.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

With you on that one brother.


Cheers,
Fred

[eaglespirit]

Hi:

An aside on a Friday afternoon….

All this Avalon and interview activity is bringing up many memories, the kind that I had not revisited in a while – it is a mixed bag, remembering those days, but sometimes it is kind of fun. I really do not get to talk about that stuff with too many of the right kind of people. About the time that Dennis was getting out of jail the first time, and I was coming out of the darkest period of my life:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

I distinctly remember a weird experience that I fleetingly had. There was some part of me that was fascinated by what I was going through. I do not know what part that was, and it may have not have been "me," but whoever sent me here, whatever we want to call it. That part that was going "ooh, wow, isn't that interesting?" kind of ticked off the part of me that had to live through it on a daily basis. I remember that sense of fascination and even awe, but it was also something that my Earthly personality was far from thrilled in experiencing. It did not happen often, but there were times when I could sense that kind of split, where one part was fascinated, and another part would rather have been anyplace else.

Best,

Wade

Yep Wade...interestingly similar to what I have gotten from some of my outer-edge experiences...almost as though jumping through the fiery hoops was necessary for the journey and all is laid out...those that decide to jump get a kind of bonus energy... absolutely crazy to common life, thought, action of most! In a way we find that we have to do these seemingly "out of order" things as an alright-meant-to-be-it-can-be-done by You...because there simply is a higher good at play intricately.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi eaglespirit:

Yes, those walking those kinds of paths have “strange” experiences like ours. I have even heard it called “normal” to have the voice in the head, the bizarre synchronicity, and so on. It is also not an easy path by any means. I am trying to do something that is a little more “sane,” but that is probably wishful thinking. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As is evident, I do not name many names on my site. Virtually all people referred to by names such as Mr. Professor, Mr. Deputy and so on, have their identities easily discovered by doing a little research. I make almost everybody anonymous to protect both the innocent and the guilty. The innocent do not want the attention. Even after some of them have died, their families still want them to remain anonymous. One family member of a dead hero is in a California prison today, and the hero's family thinks that it may be vengeance from the California legal system for the hero’s standing up to them in Ventura. That notion is not all paranoia, and I will probably always honor that family’s request.

Also, if the idly curious looked up Bill the BPA Hit Man:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

they may end up being hurt. Bill was good at what he did, and the naïve and unwary are putty in his hands, as that dead woman discovered too late:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm#death

The guilty will likely never be named on my site while they are still alive, and maybe even afterward. The names really are not important, but the dynamics are, for those who want to understand how the world really works.

Last month, I made a post that discussed pretty frankly the perils of playing the FE game, and how those closest to you were often the greatest hazards:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=229927&viewfull=1#post229927

Many close to me acted dishonorably, cowardly and even criminally, especially when I was riding with Dennis, but they will probably always remain anonymous in my work. However, for those who aspire to play the FE game at some level, I feel the need to make it clear just how perilous the endeavor can become, and a recent event gives me some liberty to be a little more revealing. I just got back from taking my mother to her hometown, for her last visit to close relatives. My mother is in the early stages of dementia, and will never surf the Internet again or even remember what she read yesterday, so I will tell a little more of my story, and some of this may make it into my site one day.

I have mentioned in interviews how the media operated when the sledgehammer came down in Ventura, and how they can make it up as they go:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/4/ZI39RzWxCOQ

Kangaroo Court and a lying media can sure make for a devastating one-two-combination. When they played that game in Seattle, all of Dennis’s customers were immediately chased off, which was the death knell for the company, long before the company was stolen, in a theft engineered by my boss:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#theft

In Seattle, I saw how the media played its game. In Ventura, it was made clear to me in no uncertain terms. Reading that Los Angeles Times “investigative journalism” article in early 1989 was about the last time that I ever bothered to consume any media accounts of Dennis’s journey. When all of the national TV shows of the past fifteen years have featured the lying Mr. Skeptic:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

I have not needed to watch their shows, because the sources of their “facts” said it all. Others have watched them and told me what hack pieces they were, and saved me from the blood-pressure-increasing experience of watching the black propaganda.

I do not like to be too conspiratorial about it, but it was also obvious that the lying newspaper articles and TV shows were not just sloppy journalism that relied on false facts adduced by people like Mr. Skeptic. The cub reporter for the local Ventura paper was playing stenographer to Mr. Deputy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#cub

Even before that, when the newspaper reported on the raid of our facilities:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

the initial article was only a few paragraphs long, but what struck me was that there was not one accurate sentence in the article. Not one. Some of that could be chalked up to hastiness and sloppiness, but as time went on and the lies were so uniform, I began to realize that something else was happening. You can’t get it wrong 100% of the time by chance. You at least get it right once in a while by accident. :)

After I helped spring Dennis from jail:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

and we eventually had the pleasure of having a prosecutorial misconduct hearing:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#misconduct

that cub reporter was subpoenaed for his role in disseminating all the lies from the courtroom. For Mr. Cub Reporter, that was probably a first, being implicated in crimes for his “reporting.” And guess what? His first “post-subpoena” article on us was the only one I ever saw that was accurate. The entire article was accurate. So, Mr. Cub Reporter could write an accurate article when his career was on the line, but it was only then that he wrote an accurate article. To this day, it is about the only accurate media account that I ever saw about Dennis.

Now I come to my revealing part. I read the local Ventura paper every day from age ten to twenty-one. I grew up with that paper, and have the clippings from when it recorded my exploits in baseball and track and field. And, irony of ironies, my mother worked at that paper in the classified ad department when we were raided. First, a little background. I was recognized as a prodigy from a very young age:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#_edn4

but I certainly did not get my brains from my mother, whose I.Q. is probably about 85-90, which is about half of my father’s. I never went through rebellious adolescence, and was always close to my parents, at least until I became an adult. My parents had a messy divorce when I was twenty, and as I became an adult, I increasingly had little in common with my mother. I do not like to think it was due to the gulf between our levels of “intelligence,” but it had something to do with it. When I raised the money in Boston and became Dennis’s partner, I called my mother to get her to become a shareholder, and the conversation went sour real quickly, with her ranting and raving. It was kind of strange, but I accepted it and did not mention my business to her after that.

There is still a great deal about my role in Dennis’s adventures that I have not publicly revealed, and do not know when I will be able to, but I want to make it clear that moving our operation to Ventura was not my idea:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

I had previously left Southern California twice, vowing to myself that I would never live there again, and ending up in Ventura, little more than a year after I left Los Angeles, was highly ironic and was obviously being manipulated by forces beyond my control. I picked up a wife on that return trip, so I had some compensation, but I have not been back to Ventura since 1990 and hope that I never see Southern California again.

When I ended up in Ventura again, I did not live with my parents, but with Dennis and his family. I had already seen enough of how the media operated regarding Dennis in Seattle and Boston to realize that the newspaper reporter who soon appeared at our facilities as the raid was commencing was not going to write flatteringly about us.

That evening, I called my mother and told her that we were probably going to be on the front page of her employer’s newspaper the next day, and that she should just keep her head low at work and not try to defend her son. I was concerned that my mother could get into trouble if she tried defending her son against her employer’s lies. Well, I discovered that I did not have to worry. The phone call ended up with her attacking me. With all the other mayhem happening, it was not a significant source of distress, but merely part of the terrain. Until Mr. Cub Reporter was subpoenaed, all of the local paper’s articles were a mishmash of facts and lies, as all good disinformation is.

A month after the raid I went to visit a relative, and my mother happened to be there. She would not even acknowledge my presence. I did not see or talk to her for the next several years. She bought her employer’s lies about us hook, line and sinker. She never even asked me for my side of the story. She eventually made a scrapbook from all of the newspaper articles, and she took it on tour to my friends and family, some of whom were my investors, telling the tale of “my son the crook.” Again, in the course of events that I was living through, it was a minor nuisance, and it took me a long time to forgive my mother for those acts, but our relationship was never the same, even as I have shelled out a lot of money over the past several years to care for her, as she has steadily declined (and she has never thanked me for that financial help, either).

She is sleeping in my house as I write this, but she will never read this or remember it, so there is no harm in me writing this, but I write this as a cautionary tale for those who want to play FE revolutionary. My father did not fare much better than my mother did, and when I heard him parroting the newspaper about my efforts with Dennis, I realized that I had no support from my family. And my story, unfortunately, is not unusual. Pretty much everybody whom I know and know of, who played at the high levels, has endured similar situations with their families and friends. People like Dennis, Brian O, Mr. Professor and others are needles in haystacks, and it is nearly guaranteed that you will not find anybody like yourself amongst your family and friends, if you are one of the those overgrown Boy Scouts who wants to do something like bring FE to the world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

In my case, a handful of my friends supported me through my travails, and they are like gold nuggets to me today, but it was not many of them. Also, my experience is typical, I am very sorry to say, but that is the reality, if you begin to play at the high levels:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#telling

Another friend who shall remain nameless for now was my greatest supporter when it hit the fan in Ventura. In retrospect, his support seemed kind of voyeuristic, like watching NASCAR for the crashes. December 1988 was the blackest month of my life:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

and he called me then, asking me how it was going. As I told him some of the events (which I have mostly not publicly talked about), he replied, in a heartfelt way, “I am sure glad that I am not you.” I had no problem with his observation; I would have rather been anywhere else, myself, but I had to deal with the events. He called me one day, after my mother had visited his parents (and my investors), to tell me about my mother’s “my son the crook” scrapbook tour. At that time, it was no surprise to hear that my mother was doing that.

But, my friend then did something that other family members and friends subsequently did: he thought that he could compete with me in my understanding of the world. I did not want to engage in that competition, but he and others like him would not leave me alone. As my radicalized perspective began investigating how the media really operated:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#big

I made the mistake of sharing some of what I was learning with that friend, and buying books for him like Unreliable Sources:

http://www.amazon.com/Unreliable-Sources-Guide-Detecting-Media/dp/0818405619

As he began waking up to how the system really operated, his herd-defense-mechanisms reared their heads, and for the next ten years, he constantly challenged my perspective, almost always ending the conversation with his boyish justifications for violence. His challenges were almost entirely confined to regurgitating what was on the evening news. Soon after he essentially extorted money from me, money that I did not have and had to borrow to lend him (which he never paid back), he called me to cheer the bombing of Yugoslavia:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#friends

That was the last straw, and we mutually ended the friendship. A couple of years later, he wanted to rekindle the friendship, and I told him that then was not the right time, and to try again in a few years, but he then began campaigning against me, both publicly and to my family, and committed some criminal acts along the way. Even today, his ego (and I am sure that it is partly his guilty conscience talking) is so wounded that he will attack me whenever he can, and in his ardor, he has no idea of the peril that he places himself and his family in by playing his childish games, and I have had to contemplate legal action to protect him and his family from himself. I have the evidence of his criminal activities, that will at minimum humiliate him publicly, but I am still trying to get him to voluntarily call off his crusade.

I understand what Jesus meant when he said that prophets have no honor in their home towns. Prophets have broken away from the herd and think for themselves. Those mired in their indoctrination:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

cannot comprehend the prophet’s perspective. They see that the prophet was raised in the same town, just like they were, and cannot believe that the prophet has anything exceptional to say, because he was raised in the same town and is just “one of us.” Again, virtually everybody whom I know who has played at the high levels of the FE game reports similar experiences with their friends and family. Being ostracized by your friends and family is one of the greatest hazards of playing the FE game.

That situation is also reported by most whistleblowers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#whistleblower1

Those dynamics are key aspects of the FE conundrum, but ones that almost nobody really wants to admit. Again, I learned that personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity the hard way:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

It was the primary lesson of my journey, but also one that nobody really wants to admit. Those in denial of that basic lesson are in for a hard journey, if they decide to play the FE game. That dynamic brings up many difficult questions, such as “Who are we doing this for?” as we try to save humanity’s bacon, but that is a discussion for another time.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wade,

Thanks for sharing the human side of your exploits in such a sincere fashion. My heart goes out to you.

And take heart, our numbers are growing. We will not fail.

Peace

[Satkirn]

Wade,

You set up the example for the next generation of us who also want to make a difference.
Its through your experiences which people will learn and look out for the holes in the road you encountered.
You are an example strength and courage for all of us.

Thank you for sharing and providing such inspiration.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie and Satkirn:

Thanks. Glad you are out there. I hoped that it would be a helpful sharing, and it looks like it was. Yes, Ernie, I think that all of this will have a happy ending, and maybe we will get to see some of it.

Wade.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I will broach that “other” discussion here. Some may feel that it is self-evident, but the issue comes up aplenty, but usually as almost unspoken objections or issues that people would rather not directly address, such as personal integrity being the world’s scarcest commodity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

Since my introduction to the energy issue as a teenager and alternative energy technology:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#introduction

I have been around many players in the FE milieu, and have heard tales, first- and second-hand, from many others. It is a pretty small community, especially when the subject matter’s vast implications are considered. Everybody who plays at the high levels gets their eyes opened in many ways. The most common pattern may be an overgrown Boy Scout wanting to benefit the world in the most profound way, and for those with a scientific background, energy quickly becomes the focus. But it seems like all roads to improving humanity’s lot lead to FE, and my fellow travelers took diverse paths to get on the FE playing field.

If they ever get very far down the path (develop some technology and begin moving toward the market with it, or mount public awareness efforts, and so on), they begin to encounter resistance from the market’s gatekeepers. There is no such thing as a free market, which even Adam Smith remarked on:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#smith2

Depending on the threat that the Boy Scout poses to the market, the resistance can come from the local, national or Global Controller levels. Dennis has encountered all three levels, multiple times each. The gatekeepers are very real, but what people like Dennis discovered was that their allies hurt them the most, and they would usually strike when the gatekeepers had the Boy Scout’s attention. Then a Boy Scout’s “allies” could sneak up and stab him in the back. I witnessed about twenty attempts to steal Dennis’s companies over the years, and the two successful thefts were when the gatekeepers had Dennis in a headlock. The first time that I witnessed it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#theft

it was the first salient moment of disillusionment during my journey with Dennis. Many others were to follow. When Mr. Deputy made faces at me as I was on the witness stand,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#faces

while almost everybody else had either fled or signed up with Mr. Texas:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#texas

I reached my radicalizing moment, which was more than ten years in coming, ever since that voice told me to go study business:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice

Over the years, I encountered quite a few fellow travelers, in various stages of the FE journey. I have also encountered overgrown Boy Scouts in other fields, such the CIA:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/mcgehee.htm

the police:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#wean

and other fields.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

To one degree or another, they realized that the enemy is us, not the “bad guys.” Publicly, none of them would admit it very often, if at all. But privately, I have heard such statements as:


“The average person is a brush ape.”

“Is humanity a sentient species?”

“F**k the public!”

“Is humanity worth saving?”


and other statements that reflected their dismay. Discovering that was the booby prize for all of them. When you begin playing at the high levels, it can get pretty ugly, but once in a while you find a gold nugget. However, everybody whom I know and know of and respect, who is still productive, overcame those moments of dismay and even disgust, and they did it with love.

I think that because they are humans themselves, they believe in the human potential. They think that we can overcome our foibles and make this a vastly better planet to live on. They may be wrong, but they have all staked their lives on that premise. They all, to one degree or another, however, eventually realized that they were unusual, and they all spent many years projecting their motivation onto others, thinking that the masses thought like they did. When they discovered that almost nobody thought like they did, they usually believed that people could, if they had the opportunity to. Is that naïve, wishful thinking? It could be. Adventures like Michael Roads’s informed him that while some on today’s Earth were destined for heaven on Earth:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

many were also destined for hell on Earth:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

but most people would simply shuffle along for many lifetimes, in today’s kind of world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#suppress

where nobody really cares too much about anybody else:

http://www.counterpunch.org/publius07152003.html

We are an egocentric species that is primarily concerned with our survival. Can we become a soul-centric species?

I have said it repeatedly; it is not people’s heads that decide what paths they take, but their hearts. The energy situation is really not very difficult to understand, and how it has shaped our societies for all time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

But it has been incredible to witness the denial and fear around FE, whether they are reflexive, thoughtful or sophisticated denials of FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

or immediate, fearful reactions of not being able to predict how the implementation of FE will develop:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#misinformation

So, is humanity worth saving? Can we muster enough collective personal integrity to overcome humanity’s inertia and the organized suppression, and should we even try? Do we blow up the planet with FE, or do we make it into heaven on Earth? These are immensely important questions, but few want to consider them. I understand and sympathize, but these issues need to be addressed head on. When I mount my public conversation after I publish that energy essay, it will be an important topic. As I have stated repeatedly on this thread, I am taking the lamb’s path to FE not only because it is the easiest on my conscience, but also because it may also be the only one that will work, and it is also simultaneously a test to see if our species is worthy of such power. Also, I may have helped blow up Atlantis way back when, so my approach may be informed by screwing up pretty royally on my soul’s journey, and I am trying to get it right this time.

For the weaponization objection, my understanding is that FE-based weapons are already detectable on the planet today, and I propose a global peacekeeping force primarily staffed by grandmothers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#weapons

The environmental destruction objection I consider marginally valid:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#destruction

but it is worth addressing. Environmental destruction has largely been produced due to energy scarcity, as humanity played the windfall energy boon game (megafauna, forests, whales, fur, oil, etc.), and energy abundance can ameliorate that dynamic. The implications of FE are literally unimaginable today to the vast majority of humanity. As Scott ended my first interview with him:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpectrumRadioNetwork#p/c/BACC03E294B890CD/6/dYth4J7YqDo

he mentioned how people simply could not comprehend what a FE-based economy would mean for their daily lives. He also mentioned his little experiment in our latest interview:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?3558-Nexus-Interviews-Wade-Frazier-Free-Energy-in-3-Stages&p=24879#post24879

Experiences like his show us how far we have to go. This whole business about FE and its implications is arguably the most important topic on the planet, and there are no easy and quick answers. I think that all of us that I respect in the FE field would welcome The Muppet Movie ending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pvAKPM3gCs&feature=related

no matter who played Kermit, but we may never live to see that moment, and instead, people like me just pray that we may see humanity begin to head toward FE and enlightenment before we cash in our chips. That may be as good as it gets, but we might also get a front-row seat to humanity’s self-destruction, and if that is the case, I want a different assignment next time. :) Privately, some FE fellow travelers think that it is already too late, and that humanity passed the point-of-no-return a generation ago, on its trajectory of environmental and self-destruction, and that there is no hope.

I do not like using the word “faith,” but I know that none of us sees the big picture, and if I may be so bold, I think that this journey will have a happy ending, but it also might not be in our lifetimes. However, the miracle can happen, and mystical material has been predicting the crazy times we are living through today for a long time, and they are pretty unanimous that a Golden Age lies on the other side of this “transition period,” if we survive it.

In the end, the FE game is about love:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

and it will always keep my interest. My upcoming energy essay will make it very clear that there is no aspect of human civilization that is not profoundly shaped by the energy situation. No other issue is more important for our material well-being, and the Big Boys know it quite well, too, which is why people like Dennis are offered a billion dollars to go away:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

before they lowered the boom. The naysayers and deniers are worth listening to, but they dominate the conversation today. They should not. We need to make our own noise and form that abundance choir, if enough of us can learn to sing.

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As I have written, this Avalon forum took me by surprise. I was not expecting to mount my own forum effort until I finished my energy essay, but oh, all those well-laid plans.

At more than 700 posts, the thread is probably daunting for newcomers to even begin to read. I just put up a new page on my site that is kind of an index of this thread:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm

Meeting Scott in cyberspace was another Avalon bonus, and I put up a section of that page devoted to my published interviews.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

That page will probably get updated fairly regularly.

Best,

Wade

[Scott]

Great news Wade

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

Well done :)

Scott

[sandy]

Wow!!!

Just got back tonight and after hauling in all my "junk" :) I hooked up and just finished reading from where I left off. Great posts and my mind is just babbling with comments for all, but most of all just elated with relating to everyone, your stories and comments and again to be back in the loop or "MY BUBBLE" .

After being with some siblings, old friends and observing and interacting with them from their beliefs and bubbles it is refreshing and supportive to be back....................ALAS, I found that friends, family and acquaintances I met up with are still so lost that any awakening efforts on my part were challenged, confronted, laughed at, etc and this is only after they asked me to tell them what I have been up to and what do I do with my time. The good news is that I held my own and challenged others who insisted I comply and conform to societal beliefs, norms and so on, to researching all sides of what ever subject we were discussing and next year (not going back till then) it will be a fair debate as they will have more information than just their indoctrination and brain training since birth.

I found I could remain light hearted, loving, compassionate and yet not be the "Big Girl Guide" they have known me to be for many years. There were many set ups for me to take the bait (to fix it or rescue)as I have been a helper most of my life, but I would start talking about personal integrity and what it means to me and some how the bait would quickly disappear:) However if I had to hang out on a daily basis with them all I'm not sure I could say the same as I still often want to just pop their bubbles. I spent a few years now being a hermit and studying and healing from losing my son and grandkids, folks and many of my extended family, due to being me, honoring my heart and not knuckling under to norms, so still have must room to grow in not being judgmental and loving unconditionally.

Thank you Ernie and Ba ba for your greetings earlier in the posts and of course Scott for the steering the interview to an abundance paradigm vision and Wade for your humanity, heart, writings and personal sharing. I couldn't agree more about being heart centered as I have yearned and modeled this most of my life, throughout my work as well and of course been hurt and taken advantage of to many times to count never mind share (I retreat, take time to heal, find my way back and get right back at being me with more learned awareness, astuteness and determination). My personal integrity comes from this way of being, thus I have no problem standing tall for what is the right thing to do pissing off many bosses, co-workers, family, friends, higher ups, etc but never got fired, only ostracized, ridiculed, abandoned, divorced:):):):) better stop as I'm just chuckling as I write this. I'm also feeling very grateful to be awake, to you all for sharing and to share with and affirm my sanity and being from your supportive posts.

There is one thing I would like insight on though as I have yet to understand, why this experience and life time for me. I have not had an experience in any" paranormal " way to speak of, no religious upbringing or beliefs, no past life regressions or memories, ESP,etc and yet I have believed in all these things since I was a young girl including ET's. I believe so deeply that I just know, but would love to experience something to validate my belief and knowing. Can anyone relate to what I trying to say? I understand it is me stopping myself from having these experiences and the only thing I can figure out is I must be fearful that I will become a fanatic or something. (I'm a long time recovering alcoholic but my addictive personality has had me on many a soap box when I get charged or learn about something that will help others)

Okay, okay I will stop, see I told you my mind was just babbling reading all your posts. Happy to be back and be here. Blessings to you all :)

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Sandy,

I too had no paranormal phenomena in my life. Seen no ghost, no ET's, no UFO, no working FE device etc. Yet I believe in all those things. And I am happy. Unless we will not try to convince anybody to our "faith", against their' will, we will not become "fanatics". :)

Best wishes
Robert

[eaglespirit]

Hi Sandy,
Sending a Heart to Heart "hello and hug" for the first time...I will be getting with my family on a surprise visit up in New England through the 4th holiday and it was good to read Your sharing here. I basically "unplugged" from society as we know it 4 1/2 years ago and have been traveling the world and states on 'promptings' and it has been a wild and wonderful ride of 'connections' in rhythm with these 'shifting' times...fearless-full-responsibility-giving-grateful-wisdom-laced travels connecting to peoples and places riding this wave.
You keep up the "great work" You are doing and keep on keeping on...there are many of Us out there now doing similar things in Our Own Higher Humble Ways...this "Wade" thread bringing some of Us together as I type : ) : ) : )
Your story is much like mine in that my experiences since childhood elicited that feeling of 'just knowing' something was not quite right with everything around me...imho, We simply were tuning into that part of us that was really 'not of this world' and the brushing of the inner knowing that we were here to help do something much different than that which was being fed Us daily in this 3d paradigm.

Onward and Upward!

And Thank You , Sandy, for sharing Your Truth here!!! ...and Glad You are back : )

Thank You Wade and ALL that have 'connected and shared' on this site and this thread in particular : )

Love! Love! Love!

[Steve C]

Hi Wade,

Im always flashing between this thread and your site.
I noticed this thread today and thought it appropriate to show you in case you hav'nt already noticed it.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23649-The-scientific-works-of-the-greatest-inventor-of-all-times-mr-Nikola-Tesla-AVAILABLE.&p=251956#post251956

would appreciate your views on this info.

Cheers.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

Thanks for the posts. Boy, a lot to say, but not today. This thread is probably only going to attract people who have had their eyes opened in some way, and Sandy's journey is one of those that can open people's eyes. For those who awaken, it is not easy to find kindred souls, not on today's Earth. That is why I am doing this thread in a forum like this. We are scattered far and wide. We come together here and there, but for the subject matter that I address, the opposition is also pretty impressive, even leaving aside humanity's seemingly intractable inertia.

Scott keeps half-kidding me about hitting the road on a lecture tour. I would probably not be any good at it for starters (semi-nerd, hermit, etc.), and if I ever was successful, I would be risking my life, and that holds no interest for me right now (as if it ever did :) ). My fellow travelers who staged tours, conferences and the like have all survived murder attempts, and some attempts were a direct response to their public efforts. I am not going to put my life on the line for this stuff anymore, or at least I will try to. Doing forums and interviews seems safe enough, for now. I am trying to meet some tiny fraction of humanity half-way, and my physical presence may make it "more real" for some, but those who need my physical presence are not my target audience. I saw the phenomenon with Dennis plenty, where his presence would give people "faith," at least until he walked out of the room. We all have to learn to stand on our own feet. Another hazard is that the New Age/Free Energy guys acquire groupies and harems, not always voluntarily, and I have seen that one plenty:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/opinions.htm#mystical

and do not want to come within a million miles of that scene. I have had to fend that off over the years, as people try to turn me into a hero, and then when I fail to meet their expectations, they attack me.

Some of my closest pals and allies I have yet to meet in the flesh, and I may never meet them, although I would like to, but most of my closest pals in cyberspace do not live in North America. I only met my editor, whom I hired back in the 1990s, a couple of years ago, and that may be it for this lifetime.

However, direct personal experience is very valuable for navigating this kind of territory. For those who seek paranormal experiences, they really are not that hard to attain:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#silva

and it seems that people need to have experiences like that to really shift their focus in a meaningful way. Also, be careful what you wish for. I don't want that voice in my head anymore, not if it has any more journeys like that in mind for me:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#journey

I present ways for people to develop radical, comprehensive perspectives without risking their lives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing

and some in this forum are pursuing them, and I am here to help them navigate them, at least to the extent that I can via this medium. When people have their own direct experience of the "radical" stuff, whether they are paranormal experiences, the odyssey of trying to bring disruptive technologies to the market, and so on, they can be transformative experiences. Also, I am a skeptic (and not in the Orwellian sense of organized skepticism: http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#friends ). I take very little at face value. Much "alternative" information is not valid. Probably most of it is not valid, and those are some of the pitfalls that await the unwary.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/orthodox.htm#alternatives

There need to be more skeptics than believers in the FE ranks. True skeptics get out of their easy chairs and do their homework, because they want to know.

I have never been in the room with a working FE device, either, but I don't need to. I have used an analogy before, with a naive engineer who just had to touch a working FE device before he would admit that they were possible. I gave the example of the tale of Jesus and Doubting Thomas. When Thomas put his finger in Jesus's wound, then he believed. Jesus said that thrice blessed were those who believed but did not see. But was it "faith" that the other apostles displayed? I think that if I was one of the other apostles when Thomas played "skeptic," I would have replied with something like, "You aren't very bright, Thomas, are you? You watched him walk on water, turn water to wine, do the loaves and fishes trick, made the blind see and the lame walk. Heck, he even raised Lazarus from the dead. Now, I hear that Jesus himself arose from the dead, and my response is, 'So, what else is new?' What is so much more spectacular than what he has done already, that you have seen, that makes his latest feat unbelievable? Have you really been paying attention for the past few years?"

When you have experienced enough of the "weird stuff," it does not mean that you immediately believe all the tall claims that abound, but it also does not mean that your sense of reality gets all stretched out of shape when a UFO lights up on request:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/ufo.htm#call

people "miraculously" heal, and so on. I had heard of Gilliland's place for a couple of years before I went there, and I only went there because the chances were really good for seeing something, and somebody else set up the trip. If I only had a 10% chance of seeing something, I would never have gone. I have too many other things to do. Seeing a UFO was not on my bucket list, but if I could easily see one, I would go. I will always vividly remember watching that UFO "light up" on my first visit to James's ranch. Immediately after it dimmed back down, I asked myself if spending a three-day weekend for a five-second show was worth it. I decided that it was. One of my Boeing pals, however, was the open-minded scientist type who really had not experienced the "weird stuff" yet. Those five seconds changed his life forever, and I was glad that I was there with him when it happened. I guess this is the long way of saying that if you have not had an experience like that yet in your life, it really can be worth your while to get a few of those under your belt. It helps "ground" the information in a way that nothing else really can. Experience is the greatest teacher, and maybe the only teacher. After you get a few of those experiences, you will probably not quest after many others, because you have been introduced to the "weird stuff" and know that a lot of it is very real. There is plenty of chaff out there, too, but the wheat is real.

As an aside, I put a little note into my Columbus essay on the survival of the Taino this morning:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#note

One day, I will get that issue addressed in a more complete way, but for now, I am going to be doing some edits here and there on my site, for the places that need the most attention, because it looks like I will not get that year off anytime soon, at least voluntarily. :)

Believe it or not, the issue of the Columbus Myth is related very directly to the FE conundrum. The American lambs to the FE slaughter usually bought their nationalistic indoctrination hook, line and sinker, which is why they mailed off working FE prototypes to the energy institutions:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sweet

applied for patents, and so forth.

Gotta get back to work.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Honestee:

I don't know about that particular situation, but it is a typical scenario. The Big Boys are good at setting you up like that. I came close to getting trapped in a similar situation:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#darker

Also, it does not always have to be "conspiratorial," but is just what happens when you try to capitalize companies to go after FE. The "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" effect can take over pretty quickly.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#money

Also, there are surely crooks in the FE milieu, too, but not as many as the "skeptics" would have you believe.

I addressed some of that in my latest interview with Scott:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

As I have stated many times, the entire inventor/capitalist route to FE is a dead end in the current environment, IMO, but almost nobody wants to believe it. More lambs to the slaughter…

Best,

Wade

[noxon medem]

Thank you, Wade, and everyone, for being
so clear on the balance in and of this topic.

Obviously the introduction of "free energy"
would radicaly change society, as we know it .
(for the better, I think, in spite of the initial chaos)

The whole mechanism of society and economics
are so ingulfed in oil now, it is hard to see a way
out of it. But of course that do excist, but takes the
commitment of influential people around the world .

Imagine if some nations military was geared on
housing, funding and protecting a real developement
of an electric free energy divice, instead of squandering
its physical and mental personell on keeping the
oil.mafia in charge of things .....

well well, the ultimate is not the oil one .

All well, Mr. Frazier ,
and all .....

and some images, to go ...

8292 .. 8294

8295 .. 8293

8296
..
-

like this quote:

But then if we understand the history of science. If we understand the famous Bertrand Russell quote: “The resistance to a new idea increases as the square of its importance.”

nm

:)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Noxon:

Thanks. This is the big conundrum. The scariest thought, for me, is the military, any military, getting involved. No military on Earth has a prayer against the Big Boys, and the lamb's path is probably the only one with a prayer, and the only one that I am interested in. Warriors who have renounced violence and coercion are welcome,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

but not many of them out there.

Best,

Wade

[Steve C]

Hi Wade,

I have listened to your interview on Nexus...BRILLIANT,i love what you had to say.
I will be visualising as much as i can,will have to start watching star trek again lol.
Now im going back to your site for some more reading.

Cheers

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Honestee:

Glad you liked it.

Live long and prosper,

Wade

[sandy]

Sandy,

I too had no paranormal phenomena in my life. Seen no ghost, no ET's, no UFO, no working FE device etc. Yet I believe in all those things. And I am happy. Unless we will not try to convince anybody to our "faith", against their' will, we will not become "fanatics". :)

Best wishes
Robert

Hi Robert,

Thank you for sharing as now I do not feel alone in not having any other dimension experiences>>>>>>>to date! I have ordered the Silva Method to study and await it arrival. I would prefer to attend the course but there is no where in my area that they have the training let alone in the whole of Canada, thus I will have to be dedicated and focused once it arrives.

I resonate with what you say about not becoming a fanatic and find your words reassuring. I am very conscious most times to not manipulate others will to mine so this reminder helps to make your point clear. Thanks again for your post and being :)

[sandy]

Hi Sandy,
Sending a Heart to Heart "hello and hug" for the first time...I will be getting with my family on a surprise visit up in New England through the 4th holiday and it was good to read Your sharing here. I basically "unplugged" from society as we know it 4 1/2 years ago and have been traveling the world and states on 'promptings' and it has been a wild and wonderful ride of 'connections' in rhythm with these 'shifting' times...fearless-full-responsibility-giving-grateful-wisdom-laced travels connecting to peoples and places riding this wave.
You keep up the "great work" You are doing and keep on keeping on...there are many of Us out there now doing similar things in Our Own Higher Humble Ways...this "Wade" thread bringing some of Us together as I type : ) : ) : )
Your story is much like mine in that my experiences since childhood elicited that feeling of 'just knowing' something was not quite right with everything around me...imho, We simply were tuning into that part of us that was really 'not of this world' and the brushing of the inner knowing that we were here to help do something much different than that which was being fed Us daily in this 3d paradigm.

Onward and Upward!

And Thank You , Sandy, for sharing Your Truth here!!! ...and Glad You are back : )

Thank You Wade and ALL that have 'connected and shared' on this site and this thread in particular : )

Love! Love! Love!

Dear Eaglespirit,

A hello and hug right back to you :) Your encouraging words have touched my heart with warmth, joy and added loving energy. More steam to keep on keeping on as you put it. I have always known' there is something better than 3D so will keep promoting it even if I can't remember"yet" about that other world. I too am grateful to Wade for bringing kindred spirits together through this thread and I'm so happy you are here.

Your traveling sounds adventurous and fun and I must say I admire and at the same time envy your ability to do this as well as meet up with many others. If you are ever on route and riding the wave to Western Canada I would love to meet up with you too :)

Wishing you a great surf on your surprise trip with Family on the 4th and blessings for a loving and memorable time.

[sandy]

Great Interview Wade,

Had chance to listen in between much neglected gardening chores and found the interview fantastic. Loved the format and agenda and agree with Scott about the youth catching the wave of FE, given the knowledge and information. GREAT IDEA SCOTT!!

Wade, you truly underestimate your communication and interaction abilities. I know you call yourself a nerd but honestly I have met many nerds in my life and they sorely lacked in their ability to connect with others. You do not! You write and speak from the heart and are very clear thus easy to understand and relate to.

I hear your listening skills in interviews and you pick up on the unspoken, read between the lines, validate the speaker and their points and acknowledge your kinship or non relation to their words, beliefs, and feelings. (I spent many years in the training industry specializing in teaching effective communications through experiential learning) Your communication skills are excellent and therefore I support Scott in his persuading you to give seminars on FE. You could even make them participatory and experiential which would have those attending, leaving with the experience and the learning would not be forgotten in a few days. I would happily volunteer to help draft experiential exercises if you needed assistance in this area and or develop a one or two day experiential " FE Seminar".

You know those soap boxes I said I could get on WELL this is one of them ....................:)

Thank you for your kinds words and encouragement and I do know I will experience "weird things" in this lifetime. I'm still waiting for my Silva Package and believe this learning will assist me to be able to focus better, and result in achieving validation of the other experiences I desire. When I do, I hope you know that I will be a babbling idiot for the first little while as I sit here giggling to myself at the thought of such an enlivening and exciting experience.:)

[Mike]

hi Wade,

just hopped on your thread here a couple days ago and have been slowly catching up. i don't know why i waited so long to check it out! keep up the great work brother!

best wishes,
Mike

[Wade Frazier]

Ah, Sandy,

I am a semi-nerd, not a full nerd. :) In Microsoft’s backyard, being a nerd is practically a badge of honor. But for interacting with the public, my medium is going to be writing and the occasional interview. I am also a half-deaf semi-nerd, and it is getting worse. I have been told that one-on-one, I am fine, but it does not work for groups. I agree. I am in the autism spectrum, a little closer to normal than a Bill Gates, Einstein or Newton, who are/were all Asperger’s types, but it is still nerd territory. I have worked in corporations for nearly my entire career, and I never had the political skills to be a CFO, for instance. I am OK with how I am, and don’t want to try to overreach and be some kind of public speaker.

Also, people like me who do seminars and the like are the targets of murder attempts. I am not kidding. I also have many people gunning for me who are not on the payroll. This walled garden of Avalon may make it appear that this is relatively safe subject matter, but it is not. In general public forums, the trolls and assailants come swarming. That troll who camped on my thread at ATS:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll2

was probably a professional, and was doing Mr. Skeptic’s work for him. Until now, every forum I ever participated in, or any site that featured my work, soon got a visit from Mr. Skeptic, as he spewed his disinformation.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

He is probably a professional, but I could be wrong. It is more psychologically interesting if his 15-year crusade was rooted in his ego, but he is probably being paid to do it.

If I went on tour, the CIA would show up, as would local law enforcement, and so would some provocateurs. Sometimes, the military shows up, and not in a friendly way. One of the specialties of the people keeping the lid on this stuff is psychotronically implanting a cancer tumor on you. They did it to Greer and his crew:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#adamiak

Just last week, I was in a conversation, hearing about the latest adventures of one of my fellow travelers, and we run in the same circles. He has survived around a dozen murder attempts, including four times when he suddenly had advanced cancer manifest in his body. They have tried to poison him, shoot him, give him “accidental” falls out of windows, etc. I am not referring to Dennis, either. Dennis has also survived several murder attempts on his journey. One was an assassination attempt as one of his bodyguards tried to kill him with a Bowie knife. Other pals have had “heart attacks,” either right after direct threats, or when they ticked off some high ranking official because they would not play ball. One of them that I know of was over the ET issue, and another was over the FE issue.

Then, people like Mallove get murdered.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#mallove

Even if the police “solve the crime” as they seem to be about to, I will never totally buy the explanation. The timing of Mallove’s murder was strange, and it spurred Brian to move to South America. I get it.

The last time I saw Dennis, he told me about doing a show in Detroit’s backyard, with his high MPG technology. He wondered how that was going to go down, and as the room filled with the audience, in comes the Militia of Michigan (yes, those unemployed auto workers in camo fatigues :) ). They lined the room, to provide security. Dennis did not ask for that protection, but understood why they did it. Dennis is a folk hero in those circles.

When I helped found NEM:

http://www.newenergymovement.org/

I ran the registration table at our 2004 conference in Portland. I would rather have been anyplace else on Earth, but I was the money guy, and my wife helped me. When it was over, she said that it would have been no surprise to her if a bunch of the attendees were CIA, etc. Many of them were shady-looking characters. It is well known that the CIA swarms at events like that (they have to produce their ID when asked, and they do), but they are not the people you have to watch out for. It is the “privatized” goons that cause the mischief, like Bill the BPA Hit Man:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

All of that comes with the territory of engaging the public in the flesh on these subjects, and I want no part of it. Been there, done that. At our shows in Ventura, Mr. Deputy was in the audience, and the next day was readying his search warrant:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

As I read the FTC’s charges against Dennis not long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#ftc

I wondered when the goons were going to show up at my house. I have had my office stripped to the walls before, and have no desire to repeat the experience.

When I went back with Dennis in 1996, I will never forget the feeling I had when I opened a letter from our phone company, notifying us that the Justice Department had subpoenaed our phone records and then gagged the phone company for six months from letting us know that they had. They subpoenaed our records when Dennis was doing his barnstorming tours, and it brought back memories of the sharks circling. That was probably independent of the sting operation that we were subjected to:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#darker

I don’t want to live through that stuff again. In these Homeland Security days, it is actually against the law for my phone company to notify me that my phone records were subpoenaed.

Heck, in a “safe” forum like Avalon, almost nobody even uses their real names. That is the level of courage that we are dealing with right now. I will be trying to mount a conversation where people use their real names, and it will be by invitation only or a very carefully considered application. Avalon might not be the place to host it, but I am hopeful. If that conversation ever gets going, then we can see where it goes from there, but I do not want to play duck in a shooting gallery. I refuse to speak publicly in Seattle, and have turned down invitations to do so. Many lives were wrecked here in the 1980s when they took out Dennis’s effort,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

and people have not forgotten, and I do not want to be the face of those days for them.

This is subject matter that many armchair “conspiracists” find fascinating, but it is not so fun in real life. I usually get voyeurism or denial on those subjects, and neither reaction is a mature one. Seeing lives wrecked and prematurely ended is no fun. I am trying to navigate a path to FE that avoids those risks, and playing the seminar game with the public runs right into that buzz saw.

Good luck with the Silva course. When I heard that it is no longer live instruction, I wondered how it would work. A good instructor can make a big difference, but the exercises were the important parts, and on tape can probably work. I will be interested to see how that goes.

Hi Chinaski:

Thanks, and happy reading.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I hope that I can keep this one relatively short. One of the reasons for joining something like Avalon is giving more information to interested readers that will likely never make it into my website. The process of making these posts and doing these interviews is bringing up many memories. Not all of them are pleasant, by any means, but some are, and revisiting the memories is also therapy for me, like therapy for soldiers suffering from PTSD. I could not have embarked on this Avalon effort five years ago. I was in the depths of one hell of a midlife crisis:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#journey

Even now, I cannot engage the general public. Virtually none of them have any understanding of what I am talking about, and that is OK. It is just where humanity is these days. Even in Avalon, I get some rude or bizarre PMs. I just got one this morning. It comes with the territory.

My previous post on pressing the flesh with the public brought up a memory of when I met Dennis. When we first made eye contact, there was something happening there, although neither of us knew what was in store. As Brian O once said, if he knew what he was in for when he left The Citadel of establishment science, he would never have left. I know the feeling. :)

When I met Dennis, he had a bodyguard when he engaged the public. Dennis did not ask for one, but he received so many death threats when the Seattle operation was being destroyed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

that his head of marketing hired a bodyguard for him. I talked with the guy at one of Dennis's public events. He was a nice guy and knew the lay of the land. He had pal who developed a 200 MPG carburetor, and knew what Dennis was up against, but the memory that is kind of funny is how Dennis met his bodyguard. The guy was Latino, about six-foot five-inches and about 240 pounds of rippling muscle. He was a martial arts expert and a professional bodyguard, and he carried a pistol. He just showed up at Dennis's house one night. When Dennis opened the door, the bodyguard said, "Mr. Lee?" Dennis then walked out the front door and closed it. He said, "OK, you can take me out right here in my front yard and I will not resist. Please just leave my wife and daughters alone." The bodyguard replied, slightly stunned, "Mr. Lee, I am your bodyguard, hired by [your head of marketing]." Nothing happened at the public meetings where the bodyguard had to act, but there were plenty of sharks at those meetings, as I discovered later. One guy at the company carried an automatic pistol in his briefcase. When he told me that, I got a little leery of him; he was not the sharpest tool in the shed. Dennis has had bodyguards a number of times on his journey, and once one of his bodyguards (a policeman) tried to kill him, and Dennis used his soldier skills and got off with only some superficial knife wounds, and the hit man spent a long time behind bars.

When we were raided,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#raid

Mr. Engineer's son was visiting us, and he was a burly truck driver who bucked bales of hay every day. When the raid hit, he was not at our office, and we were happy that he was not, because he may well have resisted the cops, and they love killing people like that. I have a mentally disabled relative who is a redneck, and a close relative confiscated his weapons when that was all going down, so he wouldn't do anything deadly stupid. These are real risks in that arena.

As I discussed with Scott and Tom, beginning about 54 minutes into this interview:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/wade-frazier-m-the-free-energy-inventors.html

one of the issues that you deal with in this field is that it is not easy to tell the provocateurs from the normal shark tank "entrepreneurs." As I have discussed, I do not know if Mr. Skeptic is on the payroll or not, but his only possible defense to his libelous Skeptical Inquirer article:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

is that he is a blithering idiot, but he is too clever to be that stupid. So, he is being consciously dishonest, and once he took off his mask for me, I stopped interacting with him (although he attacked me on the Internet whenever he could). But whether his dishonesty is due to his ego or because it is his job is really not too important. They end up doing the same damage. Again, the biggest threat that any FE aspirant has comes from his "allies," believe it or not.

Hey, that was relatively short. :)

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Ah, Sandy,

I am a semi-nerd, not a full nerd. :) In Microsoft’s backyard, being a nerd is practically a badge of honor. But for interacting with the public, my medium is going to be writing and the occasional interview. I am also a half-deaf semi-nerd, and it is getting worse. I have been told that one-on-one, I am fine, but it does not work for groups. I agree. I am in the autism spectrum, a little closer to normal than a Bill Gates, Einstein or Newton, who are/were all Asperger’s types, but it is still nerd territory. I have worked in corporations for nearly my entire career, and I never had the political skills to be a CFO, for instance. I am OK with how I am, and don’t want to try to overreach and be some kind of public speaker.

Also, people like me who do seminars and the like are the targets of murder attempts. I am not kidding. I also have many people gunning for me who are not on the payroll. This walled garden of Avalon may make it appear that this is relatively safe subject matter, but it is not. In general public forums, the trolls and assailants come swarming. That troll who camped on my thread at ATS:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll2

was probably a professional, and was doing Mr. Skeptic’s work for him. Until now, every forum I ever participated in, or any site that featured my work, soon got a visit from Mr. Skeptic, as he spewed his disinformation.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

He is probably a professional, but I could be wrong. It is more psychologically interesting if his 15-year crusade was rooted in his ego, but he is probably being paid to do it.

If I went on tour, the CIA would show up, as would local law enforcement, and so would some provocateurs. Sometimes, the military shows up, and not in a friendly way. One of the specialties of the people keeping the lid on this stuff is psychotronically implanting a cancer tumor on you. They did it to Greer and his crew:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#adamiak

Just last week, I was in a conversation, hearing about the latest adventures of one of my fellow travelers, and we run in the same circles. He has survived around a dozen murder attempts, including four times when he suddenly had advanced cancer manifest in his body. They have tried to poison him, shoot him, give him “accidental” falls out of windows, etc. I am not referring to Dennis, either. Dennis has also survived several murder attempts on his journey. One was an assassination attempt as one of his bodyguards tried to kill him with a Bowie knife. Other pals have had “heart attacks,” either right after direct threats, or when they ticked off some high ranking official because they would not play ball. One of them that I know of was over the ET issue, and another was over the FE issue.

Then, people like Mallove get murdered.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#mallove

Even if the police “solve the crime” as they seem to be about to, I will never totally buy the explanation. The timing of Mallove’s murder was strange, and it spurred Brian to move to South America. I get it.

The last time I saw Dennis, he told me about doing a show in Detroit’s backyard, with his high MPG technology. He wondered how that was going to go down, and as the room filled with the audience, in comes the Militia of Michigan (yes, those unemployed auto workers in camo fatigues :) ). They lined the room, to provide security. Dennis did not ask for that protection, but understood why they did it. Dennis is a folk hero in those circles.

When I helped found NEM:

http://www.newenergymovement.org/

I ran the registration table at our 2004 conference in Portland. I would rather have been anyplace else on Earth, but I was the money guy, and my wife helped me. When it was over, she said that it would have been no surprise to her if a bunch of the attendees were CIA, etc. Many of them were shady-looking characters. It is well known that the CIA swarms at events like that (they have to produce their ID when asked, and they do), but they are not the people you have to watch out for. It is the “privatized” goons that cause the mischief, like Bill the BPA Hit Man:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

All of that comes with the territory of engaging the public in the flesh on these subjects, and I want no part of it. Been there, done that. At our shows in Ventura, Mr. Deputy was in the audience, and the next day was readying his search warrant:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

As I read the FTC’s charges against Dennis not long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#ftc

I wondered when the goons were going to show up at my house. I have had my office stripped to the walls before, and have no desire to repeat the experience.

When I went back with Dennis in 1996, I will never forget the feeling I had when I opened a letter from our phone company, notifying us that the Justice Department had subpoenaed our phone records and then gagged the phone company for six months from letting us know that they had. They subpoenaed our records when Dennis was doing his barnstorming tours, and it brought back memories of the sharks circling. That was probably independent of the sting operation that we were subjected to:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#darker

I don’t want to live through that stuff again. In these Homeland Security days, it is actually against the law for my phone company to notify me that my phone records were subpoenaed.

Heck, in a “safe” forum like Avalon, almost nobody even uses their real names. That is the level of courage that we are dealing with right now. I will be trying to mount a conversation where people use their real names, and it will be by invitation only or a very carefully considered application. Avalon might not be the place to host it, but I am hopeful. If that conversation ever gets going, then we can see where it goes from there, but I do not want to play duck in a shooting gallery. I refuse to speak publicly in Seattle, and have turned down invitations to do so. Many lives were wrecked here in the 1980s when they took out Dennis’s effort,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

and people have not forgotten, and I do not want to be the face of those days for them.

This is subject matter that many armchair “conspiracists” find fascinating, but it is not so fun in real life. I usually get voyeurism or denial on those subjects, and neither reaction is a mature one. Seeing lives wrecked and prematurely ended is no fun. I am trying to navigate a path to FE that avoids those risks, and playing the seminar game with the public runs right into that buzz saw.

Good luck with the Silva course. When I heard that it is no longer live instruction, I wondered how it would work. A good instructor can make a big difference, but the exercises were the important parts, and on tape can probably work. I will be interested to see how that goes.

Hi Chinaski:

Thanks, and happy reading.

Best,

Wade

Dear Wade,

Please forgive me for being naive regarding the public exposure that seminars would bring to you and the negative repercussions. I hear you loud and clear, understand and comprehend the level of harm that may come your way. I do not want you or anyone for that matter to be in harms ways if it can be avoided so I'm grateful you are keeping yourself safe in the ways that you know work for you and your loved ones. Thank you for the learning once again and I will say no more about going public.

However, I do reaffirm you are a super communicator!! :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hey Sandy, my dear:

I know that you mean well. I say it a lot: everybody whom I really respect in these fields began their journeys naively. Dennis called me naïve when I became his partner in Boston.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#chasing

I was not offended, and he was right. Two years later my naïveté (or at least most of it :) ) was beaten out of me pretty brutally. I always like to err on the side of naïveté rather than cynicism, but this FE territory is far from "normal." No New Age seminar guy was ever offered a billion dollars to go away. Those kinds of offers only happen in the FE and related technology fields. It is where the Big Boys play, and those fools who try to scale the ramparts, until they are removed from the scene by the carrots and sticks.

I am sympathetic to those who want to mount public efforts around this stuff, do barnstorming and so on. I have been there, but that terrain ended up being a little too rough for me. Anybody who plays at those levels is risking their lives, in many ways, some of which are far from obvious. That is why I say that nobody should even dream of embarking on a journey like that unless they have saint-like motivation. The people who play at those levels, and I have known and encountered a fair number of them, are all risking their lives, and they know it. All of them have survived murder attempts, and they figure that their lives are forfeit, and they just hope that they can make some positive impact before their number comes up. I can only look on in awe when I see it. Only a few people on Earth today are fit for that task. I sure am not fit for it, and I don't want to do it, either.

Earlier in this thread, I responded to the question if what I was doing was risky:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=216610&viewfull=1#post216610

I replied that I did not think so, but I am not sure. Again, I have no idea if what I am attempting will make the impact that I hope it will, but I had to try. I am not looking to attract people's attention, and rip it away from whatever else they are pursuing. I am looking for people with a thirst for the truth, a desire to help heal humanity and the planet, and who are able to lay aside their indoctrination long enough that they can simply imagine abundance. If they have that potential, they will find me eventually. Quite a few have come to me that way over the years. I have no illusions that many people today are capable of that. I am shooting for quality, not quantity. Some in this forum have already demonstrated that they are capable of understanding my approach, and they are doing the work. They do not always post on this thread, but I hear from them privately. So, it looks like I am making an impact, and that is all that I can ask for. Some have been using my work in their own public presentations, and I approve and am honored, but they are not playing at the level where I did, I am happy to say. They are playing a less risky game. My past and current associations have put a big bulls-eye on my head in circles where you do not want to have dinner. :) I will never be able to entirely shed that aspect of my efforts, and that is OK. Others can do seminars in a more innocuous fashion, but if anybody has much success in this field, they will attract attention of the kind that is not always fun to receive.

Again, most of what I am trying to teach really does not have much of anything to do with FE, per se, but with the big picture of how energy runs the show on Earth, and what FE could do. Because I am doing that, the level of interest in stopping me is less, and approaching the public the way I am also reduces the risk. I am not expecting to have one of those "strange and untimely deaths" that dog the people in this field, but I could be wrong. As Scott said in that recent interview, what I am trying to do is probably the hardest part of my plan to do an FE effort without risking lives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

and if enough people "get it," that will be enough to shift the paradigm. When I hear that, I think that maybe I am getting too high on the radar, but so far, I seem to be doing fine. If I do begin to get harassed, I plan to make it a public deal, for sure.

Best,

Wade

[Hughe]

@ Wade,

I reactivated my account on a free energy forum few days ago.
I spent two days without sleep during the night. I can't stop once the brain starts running.

Whenever a promising theory or a prototype emerges, the new threads get exploded. Many tinkers rush to find the ultimate solution, then the forum - new prototype - fades away. Less than five tinkers actually build and test by themselves, and they leads the flow of the thread. Some of prototypes demonstrates over unity (COP > 1) which are the highest peak of free energy community. Then suddenly, all the winners hit the wall really hard when it comes to feasibility issues.

"It works! This is great. I do have over unity from this. Well, I need to improve the efficiency up to 70 to 80%. But, I don't have precision machines or money to build robust prototypes. Damn..." A good analogy is an inventor can build an anti-gravity aircraft using scraps for oneself. The inventor want to like to do mass produce for general public or at least make money by order-base custom build. Well, the problem is except electronics, hardware building tools still at 100 years behind for general public. As the engineering specs demands below 0.01 mm, precise timing, etc., it's beyond the tinker's capacity.

They know the big companies or investors or schools won't help them out. So, they start to look for another real deal hoping it will have all: proven over-unity theory, easy to build for practical usage.

The front learners of free energy community occasionally introduces their new version of shinny machines. These looks like the real deal for many tinkers but they can't build nor buy due to the extraordinary circumstances. They all know selling the high-quality prototype kit means one might loose everything especially the manufacturer and the inventor. There exists common understanding.

A 100W free energy generator kit will ever happen under $200 - $300?
Coupling five means a smart houser own will be utility bill free forever.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Hughe:

You are seeing an aspect of the conundrum. Tapping the ZPF in one’s garage is very difficult to do. The vast majority of those who try to, don’t. For many years, people have devoted themselves to visiting garages and labs, looking for viable FE devices, even a proof of concept. Mallove did it, O’Leary did it, Dennis and his advisors did it, and so have others. Yes, the technology available to a garage tinkerer is simply not there today. Also, the technical challenge is just one of many pitfalls. Yes, they all operate on a shoestring. When I was in the game, almost all of them wanted to get patents and make the big time.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#alpha

That will never work in this environment.

If a tinkerer really taps the ZPF, he comes onto Godzilla’s radar. Lone tinkerers do not have a prayer in today’s environment. The open source movement has part of the solution, because it removes the greed and capitalistic aspect. But how do you get the funds to really develop something good? No parts house is going to give you materials because your cause is noble. This is part of the conundrum. I do not want to say it is impossible, but the odds of a successful tinker FE revolution, where people can build FE devices in their garages with material obtained from their local parts house, is extremely unlikely in today’s environment.

That issue of machinery and tolerances is a common one in FE circles. You can hear Trombly talking about it some, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuLCSOKV4Y

That is one reason why I say that going to a remote nation, where you think that you can escape Godzilla’s reach, has its own pitfalls, including the lack of local technical resources. That is partly why most FE invention and suppression activity happens in the USA.

That is also partly why I say that the only prayer that the inventor route has is for the inventor with the goods giving it to a worthy group. With open source, there may be more inventors willing to give it away, but I have to see that happen, and I have yet to see that worthy group. It has to be a group that is united on the goal, leaving self-interest in the back seat. Because personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

and the implications of FE are so overwhelming, and can lead to innumerable delusions of grandeur:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#grandeur

the people who can form that worthy group are like needles in haystacks. I remember, when we were flying high in Ventura before they lowered the boom on us, and I had my own fleeting delusions of grandeur, becoming the President or some such. That is one of the many hazards. One famous FE inventor literally thought that he was the Second Coming.

My efforts, especially at Avalon, can be considered to be rounding up that worthy group, but we are a long, long way from getting there. I really am not trying to create that worthy group to receive a prototype to take to the finish line, but I am doing something different: raising awareness about the energy issue in general and what FE can mean. If that awareness gets raised, forming that worthy group will be a lot easier. A big part of the problem is that FE aspirants wander in a desert of indifference and avarice, usually nursing dreams of making it big while grinding it out in their garage, with no allies. They mortgaged their house, maxed out their credit cards, borrowed from friends and family, have a long-suffering wife, and so on. That is the typical path. Tinkerers are not going to get it done, not in today’s environment. The path of capitalism, applying for patents and such, is a complete dead end. When an inventor applies for a patent, Godzilla yawns and sends out one of his low-ranking minions to deal with the nuisance.

Very few tinkerers ever tap the ZPF, and if they do, Godzilla opens an eye. Lone tinkerers then become subject to the “game theory” tactics that I heard Bearden talk about:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#bearden

and we were on the receiving end of most of that bag of tricks. No garage tinkerer will ever be allowed to make the big time, not in today’s environment. I have literally had tinkerers tell me that they were doing it in hopes of receiving the golden handcuffs. They saw their efforts as trying to win the Godzilla Lottery, getting those millions and then retiring. I tried to inform them that Godzilla may rarely breathe fire, but that does not mean that he does not like to once in a while, just to keep in practice. He is just prudent, and when taking out FE efforts becomes a full-time gig, he gets good at it and becomes efficient. No need to breathe fire or lash his tail, when a growl or a flick of his claw will do the job. If Godzilla figured out that the tinkerer was doing it for the payout (and don’t think that you can outsmart or deceive Godzilla), he might have to make an example out of that tinkerer, to discourage that sort of thing.

These are all hazards of the tinkerer path, and I would not put my money on that path ever bearing fruit on the FE playing field. The tinkerer path to FE is a distraction, IMO, but inventor-itis is an epidemic disease with no known cure. :)

I am trying to do something radically different, and it really is pretty indifferent to the entire tinkerer path. If enough awareness was raised, I think that entire situation could be moved out of Tinkererland and get into the right facility for doing it, something that looked like an Intel chip factory. A solid state device is really the only one that we should be considering for powering the world. Sparky Sweet’s was the kind of prototype that we should be thinking of:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sweet

Of course, in the current environment, that will not work either, because anybody raising the money to play at that level will get Godzilla’s full attention. But if there were enough members of an aware and engaged public, Godzilla might well slink away. As Scott said in my latest interview, getting an aware and engaged public, one that understands the big picture, what the potential and pitfalls are, and understands how energy fits into the world paradigm, might be the hardest job of all. Well, he may be right, and that is the job that I decided to sign up for about twenty years ago, in my “spare” time.

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[Hughe]

That is one reason why I say that going to a remote nation, where you think that you can escape Godzilla’s reach, has its own pitfalls, including the lack of local technical resources. That is partly why most FE invention and suppression activity happens in the USA.

That is also partly why I say that the only prayer that the inventor route has is for the inventor with the goods giving it to a worthy group. With open source, there may be more inventors willing to give it away, but I have to see that happen, and I have yet to see that worthy group. It has to be a group that is united on the goal, leaving self-interest in the back seat. Because personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity:

Exactly. That's what I've been experiencing here. The infrastructure of technologies and resources is 50 to 100 years behind compared to USA. Working as a field technician or engineers are treated nothing but machines. One thing I really miss is the space and privacy. I used to visit friends house and work on my/their cars in the small garage, having few bears and chitchatting, wood firework sometimes in the night back in Canada.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Hughe:

This conundrum has been chewed on by Einsteinian types for a very long time, at least back to Tesla. Many, many pitfalls await the inexperienced and unwary. My approach may not have a prayer, either, but I never saw it tried before. Even that 100-years-ahead USA technology is still way short of people making FE devices in their garages, and that is just the technical part of the problem. The other aspects, money, the T-Rexes, velociraptors, your own foibles and your “allies” then take out almost all aspirants before Godzilla even needs to roll out of bed. I am sympathetic to those who end up in Level 8:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

but nobody that I respect in the field is there. We are all doing what we can.

Best,

Wade

[Steve C]

Hey Wade,

Do you have a book on your work?

cheers.

Back to your site now ;)