Bill Ryan

[darkstar]

I have been following Bill Ryan for a couple of years since I first happened upon the Project Camelot videos on Youtube. I had no intention of ever registering on the forum until I read a couple of threads the other day where Bill came under personal attack, with certain individuals demonising him for his passionate defence of some of his good friends.

Bill is a man of great integrity, intelligence and loyalty. Nobody should ever question that.

Many people, including some members of this site, believe themselves to be spiritual people, talking a load of mumbo-jumbo trying to sound enlightened. All this, 'turn the other cheek', 'be passive' nonsense will not get you anywhere in life. The people who believe in these mantras are total walkovers. Sheep, for want of a better word. Destined for mediocrity.

The posters attacking Bill for his outburst are living in a dreamworld; they are emotionally weak. It is totally dishonorable for any person to stand by and let people they care about be defamed, especially in public on something as far-reaching as the Internet. Anyone this weak of mind will not survive.

Bill has achieved what he has because, in addition to having the 'positive' traits of being a nice guy, articulate, honorable, knowledgeable, seeking the truth, he also displays what we consider some of the 'negative' traits such as anger and the ability to use cutting words. Far from detracting from his character, it makes him a very well-rounded individual. Balanced, because he has his positively oriented goals but he is no walkover. If he was weak, he wouldn't have got anywhere near as close to the truth as he has done, so you should all be grateful for him.

Many of you need to understand that positive and negative, good and bad are at opposite poles along a continuum. The balance is between the two. Everything in the universe is of the positive and the negative: birth of stars, death of stars; love and hate; happy and sad. Without the dark there can be no light. This is basic. Don't crumble when you see people display 'negative' traits ('positive' and 'negative' are subject to individual interpretation): understand why they are doing it.

To post this defence of Bill was the only reason I joined the forum and if this is the last post I am allowed to write, then I am happy with that. His treatment has been appalling and committed by people who, I am sure, consider themselves 'spiritually evolved' or at least on the way towards it. You should realise that you have a long way to go.

My last words are to Bill: you are doing a fantastic job and I will continue to watch you with a great deal of interest from the shadows.

[KosmicKat]

While I agree with what Darkstar says, I would recommend not limiting yourself to the nuggets of information that Bill digs up. His work with Kerry in giving whistleblowers a chance to get their messages out, letting the audience assess the validity or otherwise of the messages should be a model of information dissemination for the internet age. But at the same time it is up to every one of us to do our own research, compare and contrast. Verify whatever you can. As Richard Hoagland says, "the lie is different at every level". I suggest that the corollary is that "the truth is different at every level". Not meaning to suggest that the truth changes, but what we see of a larger truth certainly varies depending on where we happen to be when we see it.

[Zook]

Well said.

Equally, I would extend the above sentiments to many here who hold contrary views/visions to that of Bill ... but are just as decent, honest, committed, justice-oriented, benevolent, knowledgeable, wise - well, let me just unload the entire set of lexical descriptors for the enlightened (here and now). Of course, balance behooves me to also add this: and at times, failing to achieve in full or wise measure, those same qualities.

:typing:

ps: All in all , I think we've navigated the contentious issue of Charles rather satisfactorily. I mean, everyone here on Avalon still has their heads and wits about them. Certainly, there have been Charles in the historical record that have not been as fortunate figuratively or literally (e.g. Charles I).

[Wood]

The posters attacking Bill for his outburst are living in a dreamworld; they are emotionally weak. It is totally dishonorable for any person to stand by and let people they care about be defamed, especially in public on something as far-reaching as the Internet. Anyone this weak of mind will not survive.

My view on that is that we can, and should attack ideas/views/comments, trying to argument the attack. However, we should never attack the person behind, that is, ad hominem arguments. It is not exactly the case here but close enough to have raised more than one eyebrow. Bill Ryan, being the founder of PA, has even more responsibility than regular members because his words carry much more weight. We are humans though, and these days emotions ride high.

[irishspirit]

I have been following Bill Ryan for a couple of years since

Many people, including some members of this site, believe themselves to be spiritual people, talking a load of mumbo-jumbo trying to sound enlightened. All this, 'turn the other cheek', 'be passive' nonsense will not get you anywhere in life. The people who believe in these mantras are total walkovers. Sheep, for want of a better word. Destined for mediocrity.



What a very arrogant view you have sir!

To sign up to this forum to express such contempt for people that have spent a very long, = and dedicated path to obtain the enlightenment in which they now enjoy, is borderline destructive.

Why you feel that you have the right to trample of peoples belief and system of living because they choose to express this in defence of themselves and there beliefs is beyond me.

To say one is emotionally weak because they choose not to believe everything that they read, watch or are told is only showing your own weakness and willingness to be lead.

For anyone to take anything that people discuss in these interviews as 100% truth; is a follower and a grasper. Do you own research, find your own answer, discover your own truths.

Yes, Bill has done extremely well in getting this information out in a manor that will appeal to everyone. Bill has done this is an intelligent and respectful way, delivering interviews that are not about him, but the source.

However, to say that people do not have a right to question this, whether at this, or other forums, is nothing more than an attempt at censorship, which if I understand, we are all again and indeed, was responsible for killing Avalon 1.

Be Safe

Irish

[Arpheus]

Thank you irishspirit !I agree with your point of view.

[kesom]

you only joined to say that,well i think your intentions of joining to defend someone's integrety, who, by what you've said, you know from youtube video's say's it all about your intentions in coming here and say peeps here are livin in a dream world and your saying you know bill has great integrity, intelligence and loyalty........................................... how could you know this..........

man if we took how people come across on video sher mel gibson would be one step down from god..........................

i think if we hav'nt noticed anything else this week we've noticed that bill is more than capable of standin his own ground................

has the join up censorship been changed,i was under the impression that to join here you have to fill in a questionare so that bill/mods can see if your worth inviting to our little party here .....................and you got in just to say that which is basically stirring up old arguements.................

it seems its all down to who's ankle your grabbing around here which is wrong in so many ways..............................but on the cause must go :)

[Scott]

Hey kesom

You..........................might want..........to clean......................your.....................keyboard........to............fix the sticky...................keys :)

[kesom]

their called pauses scott but well done very smart of you,they'll be impressed i'm sure lol :)

[Arrowwind]

If Bill feels the need to express anger go for it Bill!

Anger is not the issue. We all have anger and push any fuzzy newage or "enlightened" one hard enough you will find it.

To be human is to have the capacity for anger, and fear I might add. They are emotional guideposts and tools to reflect how you perceive the world and to give you the energy to do something about it.

Emotions should not be repressed but expressed. How we act though that emotion determines our capacity for manefesting wisdom and enlightenment. Bill spends most of his time channeling his energy to good work. To withhold emotions is to stiffle ones total energy system, and cause disease.

Strong anger and fear can be destructive, but rightly guided by heart and intellect they can be a motivating force for great and positive change.

I trust Bill has right heart and intellect.

An angry rant in defense of a friend is hardly worth discussing.

Lets talk about the guys with nuclear bombs and chemical weapons...
The child molestors and racial hate mongers
The GMO producers and the energy controllers.

Even Christ got angry at the money changers!
Give it a break!

[Bill Ryan]

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Anyone can become angry - that's easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right reasons, and in the right way - that is not easy.

Aristotle

[Anchor]

Bill Ryan is doing a good job, there is no doubt about it. Also, one can respect the defence of friends. One can argue about where we were on the spectrum of necessity on that one until the cows come home, but I don't want to any more - what is done is done. Are we not past this one now? It was not the first, and it probably wont be the last, but at least we are moving forward - and right now this forum is the most interesting it has been in a long time.

None of us are perfect

John..

[Ross]

The posters attacking Bill for his outburst are living in a dreamworld; they are emotionally weak.


As I read darkstars above quoted sentence, I did not read it as
To say one is emotionally weak because they choose not to believe everything that they read, watch or are told


As I see it, our personal interpretation of the written word can cause mis-communication of what the writer is trying to convey.

Just my humble opinion;)


Ross

[NinjaPhil]

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Anyone can become angry - that's easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right reasons, and in the right way - that is not easy.

Aristotle

Agreed, I've not been here long so I'm sad to say that I don't know you all as much as I'd like to yet but from an outsiders viewpoint reading what went on I was personally upset about the dowsing post and relieved when Bill stuck up for the whistle-blowers. The problem with the internet is that it allows people to post very damaging comments from the safety of distance and dissociation and a comment like that will make a lot of people instantly think - without even speaking to these people or maybe even watching the videos - believe that these people are liars.

I'm not saying that I 100% trust them all, or that I follow anything Bill or whistle-blowers say to the word but I do believe that the debate should be in a decent and appropriate way. I think it is absolutely important that there is discussion and investigation on all topics and that everyone should do what they can to find out for themselves, but wouldn't it be better if we could do this in a less aggressive way?

I think we are all awesome people here which is one of the main reasons I finally signed up and whilst there has been a tremendous amount of intelligent posting since the Charles video I am slightly worried that rather than investigating the new situation, there has been this element of side-track instead. Debate is good, lets focus on the future - what does the Charles video mean, how does it really change things and how do we continue the dialogue in a meaningful way that is beneficial to both parties?

I hope as a new member I haven't upset anyone with this post, I genuinely think you are all amazing people and emotions are riding high in this new situation. If I have tread on anyone's toes, please feel free to PM me.

Phil

[kesom]

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Anyone can become angry - that's easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right reasons, and in the right way - that is not easy.

Aristotle

well who could argue with aristotle lol

bill what i said was no way directed at you,it just pisses me off that people who only have the intention of contributin to arguements get to have a say here,i dont post much myself cause i realise so many people could be wrong so i just try and gather as much info as i can from here and sorta think my own things about it all,i do try and push people to be a bit nicer to each other the odd time and thats my lot i guess

i completely understand you gettin piossed off over the dowser and speakin your mind to him,i know what its like to have good friends and damn anyone who says a bad word about them so i applaude you for standing by there memory it shows strength of carachter,especially in your position as forum admin or founder should i say

and not a pause in sight,just for you scott lol :)

peace and love everyone :)

[truthseekerdan]

Many people, including some members of this site, believe themselves to be spiritual people, talking a load of mumbo-jumbo trying to sound enlightened. All this, 'turn the other cheek', 'be passive' nonsense will not get you anywhere in life. The people who believe in these mantras are total walkovers. Sheep, for want of a better word. Destined for mediocrity.


Hi darkstar, I guess you chose that name for a reason. ;)

What is truth for you, might not be necessarily for me or anyone else for that matter...
Truth is respecting other people too. For you might be irrelevant, as for me is truth.

Do not accept anger, fear, condemnation, and do not carry it in your mind. Try to live and enjoy the 'now moment'. A 'better world' starts with changing the self first.

Be blessed my friend ~

[UKIPster]

I think darkstar is a great movie

"Hey Guys How can it live like that when its just full of air?"

"Goody for you you,ve volunteered to clean the elevator shaft. Explosive bolts will release the floorplate in five seconds"

"Try Phenomenology"

"I think I've found it I think I've found a way"

[Scott]

and not a pause in sight,just for you scott lol :)

peace and love everyone :)

Great big HUG!!

Just for you kesom :)

[kinsuemei2]

darkstar, Bill is a good guy, we have the right to say what we feel, for example, I think Bills words when talking about "you tube' and David Ickes hand was a bad generalization when he called them the idiots on You tube... I use you tube lol, But even though there are many idiots on there were not all idiot's,

But see I don't see that it's bad to say, I disagree with that generalization, but also I know on that same hand that Bill is man enough to let that slide off his back, he is more than capable of handling himself, this was just an example ok? I know it's great to defend your hero, and to be honest Bill is one of mine but I do not always agree with him, it's not a crime, I know that he will not always agree with my point of view at times but that does not mean that point of view is not understood,

The importance here that you have missed is that this is Avalon, we have many people with many views, gamesmanship is always welcome, as is intellectual debate, there is no point in attacking the founder of this forum, because truth be told if people were really attacking Bill each and every Avalonian here would stand beside him, shoulder to shoulder, and that I do believe, and if darkstar you were attacked I would call you my brother and stand with you, but when two brothers fight, let them sort it out, it's best not to take sides, but to ensure that the foundations are strong even after a tussle, I hope you understand what I am saying here, because it's important.

bu and I don't think he has been attacked by people unless there is something I am missing, due to the latest interview people are questioning his judgement in this matter, not everything but this particular interview, but also we do not have the intel or facts that Bill does.

I think it sufferers from Pete Peterson syndrome, it was an important interview indeed, but a lot of the juicy stuff was off record, and if people can read between the lines it's too bad because at this stage in the game we can't break down every single syllable and spoon feed hint's and tips, Bills latest interview was full of information, but you have to break the water to find them.

After a rough couple of months we stayed the course, we have showed resolve, some left, some stayed, some left and came back it's all good, but don't just join up to attack a great man whilst trying to belittle the people, that man works so hard to provide for and help educate, at least stay, make post's and I ask you to test your mettle in this environment, because this not always love and light and you have to have thick skin at times, but don't be the critic that watches the battle from the hill and the ride down and shoot the survivors, simply join the battle and look at you feet afterwords.

[kinsuemei2]

As an edit, I will ask that you look up Morihei Ueshiba, and look again at love and light, Aikido is about passive action, and sometimes being passive against a overwhelming force will cause the force 's energy to destroy itself through deflection. Being a great martial artist is about knowing when to attack, and knowing when to be still.

[Bill Ryan]

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This has become a very strange thread!

Almost no-one has understood exactly what darkstar was saying, or why. Kinsuemei2 completely misread him! I fully agree with him, but I think he already knew that. :)

Non sequitur: My "Idiots on YouTube" comment is now infamous, and has often been taken out of context. It comes from this one minute video, which is great fun:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bd2yTDkTI

But - there is a preponderance of idiots who post comments on YouTube. Reading the current batch of comments is instructive... with some exceptions, it's like a baying mob with a hive mind: astonishing and just a little bit scary to witness.

The unintelligence is palpable. That sounds like a cheap put-down - but I'm afraid it's true.

[Seikou-Kishi]

No Bill you're absolutely right; we have to separate the simple fact of a lack of intelligence from the connotations of condescension associated with it. Some people are just unintelligent — an unpalatable truth is a truth nonetheless.

[noprophet]

I'm glad you decided to post Darkstar.

Certainly there are all sorts of creative ways to present the same truth.

One way is to present it with a fist, forcing your comrade to become aware of its righteous fury.
You do this in love because it hurts you to see your peer at such a lack of realization.

Another way is to present it through allegory, enticing your partner to become aware of its true nature.
You do this in love because it hurts you to see your peer at such a lack of realization.

People fear death because they love life. People invoke death because they love life. People love life.

[ScubaMonkey]

their called pauses scott but well done very smart of you,they'll be impressed i'm sure lol :)

Surely a pause would use a comma, or a long pause would use a full stop or period. At best they are ellipses... rarely more than three dots are required.

p.s. It's they're, not their.

Ha, don't listen to me, I'm only yanking your chain! ;)

[kinsuemei2]

It is fun, and yes I often look at You tube comments and quiver, but I also accept that many comments are from people that are underage and "troll" as they say simply for the sake of it, also the unchecked level of hate groups on you tube is astounding it's insane. and looking back at my post, yes I think I might have misread Darkstar, I would like to hear more from him though.

[noxon medem]

A few words on the parabel of "turning the other cheak"
as used by Christ and others.
The classic interpretation is as follows : ( often misunderstood or falsified )

You have two cheaks ( sides to your personality.)
The soft side and the hard side.

You allways try to meet the world with the soft side.
If someone hits you on that one, you turn them the other.

[xm15e2]

The only thing i have to say about Bill Ryan is at least hes trying to do what he feels is right, and reguardless of my personal views he at least opened my eyes to many intelligent ideas, that deserve alot more thought than most people are capable of at this time.
Everyones own intellectual level is different and rarely seen.
Even bad information should be appreciated, and given that hes alot more open and available than most.Im at least gonna try to consider him sincere when i dont see the clear picture..
After all if Galileo lived in the digital age, he might of at least been able to see some people.
Few if any.
That didnt watch the sun revolve around the Earth daily.Underneath a mountain of negativity .
I dont see why theres a reason to think beyond the work you do Bill, thank you

[Ahkenaten]

A few words on the parabel of "turning the other cheak"
as used by Christ and others.
The classic interpretation is as follows : ( often misunderstood or falsified )
You have two cheaks ( sides to your personality.)
The soft side and the hard side.
You allways try to meet the world with the soft side.
If someone hits you at that one, you turn them the other.

Actually Noxon most people have four cheeks. Just an observation.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Lol @ Ahkenaten... maybe we have two soft sides and two hard sides then lol...

[noxon medem]

Actually Noxon most people have four cheeks. Just an observation.

Yes, Ahkenaten, I know.
But(t) normaly the other
two are hidden .
:p
Good thing I didn't mix in this one:
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."

And, if you were serious,
I just expanded on the dual
logic that is allready contained
in the parabel. The Other...

[Celine]

No Bill you're absolutely right; we have to separate the simple fact of a lack of intelligence from the connotations of condescension associated with it. Some people are just unintelligent — an unpalatable truth is a truth nonetheless.

This reminds me of a Golden rule..

Nagging is the repetitive speaking of unpalatable truths...

[noxon medem]

:fish2:

Stumbled upon this thread, in the backwaters of the roaring stream of this periode,
- and thought it could be even more usefull, if expanded and a bit redefined.
I suggest the Avalon Forum can use this thread for personal (person to person)
- Reflexions, advice, comments and constructive criticism directly to Bill Ryan.

Let me say here, that I trust you a lot, Bill, as a man of integrity and honest intensions.
And am amazed, with respect, of your energy, determination, and results. Amongst others ...
A lot of the weight and credibility of the "Rulers"-story depend on you, I know you know,
and your trusted assosciates and contacts. You self have had a big change of perception the last half year,
as described by below quote, so you can appreciate that many here need more time and info to go down the same road.
So this thread could also be used to air and/or clear up things of more abstract emotional nature,
concerning that, and you.

If those issues exist in the "forumers", this is a good time to do it.

If, for the common forum participants, like me, there is here a tricky chain, or layers, of trust, and even trust by proxy. And beyond.
And that in a landscape, involving characters, where we know for a fact that deception and lie is on top of the toolbox.
Maybe in the past it was the most convenient, and now they (and we) are stuck, or even trapped, in that game.

- A reflection :
"Dropping a rock in the pond" as you so precise and profoundly put it, was maybe good for a litmus-test, but then what ?
Were following developement so unpredictable ?
To my mind a Catalyzing event is a closer description, or complementary to the Litmus-methaphore.
( speaking of Catalyzer, I want to post something about cats, but later. Interesting story )

You, and the inner group, who have a headstart on the rest, and then so suddenly, on a relatively unprepared forum,
introducing a "trusted" spokesperson ("Charles") for (or of) these "evil" controllers, having caused so much suffering and pain, or so the story goes ..
( and plainly announcing they want to sicken and kill most of humanity, not forget )
Given a so high potensial of causing strong, emotional, private and negative outbursts, that was a calculated risk, even here on this civilized forum,
and the range of initial responses should clearly be expected.
( and I think it relatively fast cooled down, and now the tone is essentialy nice and tempered.)

Real or not, the "Rulers" know that they are objects of many negative projections and comments,
maybe they deserve it, for being so secrecive, and ... ( but that aside )
they (should) know that kind of perception and opinion is strong, not least in the "alternative community"
( because they have to be smart, in their own way, to be where they are, - that is a sound basic logic)

I will freely admit that I personaly could not stomack reading through all the
youtube comments regarding your 1.1.11- interview with "Charles" on the "Rulers"
I can understand if they expected (hoped) we would act better then the people on this forum:
( also go to show they are used to a bit of ruffient debate, in the U.K. :-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7_hPRisHe8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7_hPRisHe8
- this have to be fair use of a youtube-clip.

I basicly trust you, Bill Ryan, and partly even Charles, but behind that
it is very unclear and shady to me at the moment, naturaly.

We are now it seems in a kind of intermission, breathing, in the process. The progress ..
- Thought it good for this sort of thing to come up now, and not
at a later point, when the focus should be somewhere else, and very different.

On top of all that comes trusting one self. Very tricky and complex position (towards that situation) indeed.

I see that you (or rather it, the situation ..) require here a leap of faith, or a period of suspended judgement, as eloquently put by another.
I am familiar with the concept, and its cousin the willing Suspencion of Disbelief,
a temporary contract between producers of movies and plays and their audience.
Necessary to enjoy and enact in the presented illusion, or story.

My second, a more ironic, guessing of the delayed video is that they saw the generaly
high standard of intellect and conduct here on the forum,
and want to make a new version, with a proper (higher) content of thruth, data and story for us.

Since the "Rulers"-material and the "Charles"-interview was released, there was
a faint echo in the back of my mind. Found the source back yesterday, and it directly inspired
this post, and suggested, additional use, of this thread.
The idea somewhat supported by Bill, if my interpretation of the quote is correct.
A quote from someone I basicly trust, enough to take him up on a challenge.
Bill Ryan, Post #4, 23rd July 2010 18:30, on this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4229-Could-this-be-the-real-reason-for-the-Gulf-oil-leak


Re: Could this be the real reason for the Gulf oil leak?????????

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Swanny, I'm afraid this is nonsense. I addressed this quite some time ago.

To all: please - if you possibly can - familiarize yourself with all the posts and discussion on the forum on this topic before posting more stuff that is just not true and which helps no-one.

Please be smart and do your research. That's what we expect of Avalon members... not National Enquirer hysteria.

I understand that there are a bunch of threads to check out (all on the same Gulf Oil Disaster UPDATES sub-forum) - but so much of this has been covered before. It would take you maybe 10 minutes to see if this has been discussed earlier.

The material is not new and comes from this forum here. The person who made the video is simply reading the forum post:

http://shtf411.com/bp-illusion-of-a-...ill-t7065.html

That dates from 20 June - over a month ago.

"My sources go straight to the top." (he writes)

This is loose, generalized nonsense, written by someone trying to impress. Ask any geologist.

Avalon and Camelot sources do NOT "go straight to the top" (they never do). If I ever wrote something as woolly as that, I'd expect people to question me hard.

The asphalt volcano notion is the theory of the person who wrote the post, and he's seeking to bolster it by inventing a source.

He may or may not have interesting information to consider (although this is definitely not an asphalt volcano), but by pretending that he's heard it from an insider I think that he discredits himself.

Meanwhile, the spill is very real... not an illusion! (Ask Kindra Arnesen...)

The specific lines in remembrance are emphasized by me, and call for a little comment, Bill ?
- I would also like to emphasize the friendly, even humouros, notion motivating this post.

Going from that point of view, to where you are today,
my question to Bill could be :
In the autumn of 2010.
What (when) was your "tipping point" ?

All well to you, Bill, and All.

:ranger:

[Loki]

people who, I am sure, consider themselves 'spiritually evolved' or at least on the way towards it. You should realise that you have a long way to go.

I say this a lot in my posts also and this almost exact statement just recently got me banned for a week (when one of these delusional "spiritually evolved" people had a qq over what I said). There are so many people on this forums who claim they are some how spiritually evolved and try to give people new age advice and state it as fact rather then their delusions, humans were given emotions for a reason and the "Passive" oh don't fight back or get angry people has no place in this world unless you are actively seeking to be enslaved.

Good on bill for chewing some one out, some times its completely appropriate especially with some of the nonsense i see peddled on this site. People have traded the sheep mentality of TV and the mainstream with a sheep mentality of new age documentaries and alternative news and have never developed any kind of bull crap filter at all, then have the nerve to say they are some how above someone else.

Its actually quite funny to watch people defend there statements by telling some one else to read or watch something they read or watched as proof of their statements truth when they have ZERO idea that what they watched or read was correct in any way shape or form.


AS i said they have traded one sheep mentality for another and are only wrecking any creditability that this community had with their crack pot ideas with no proof of anything.

If you are offended by the truth then this area of research is not for you ... telling some one the truth about what they are saying (as in its bullcrap) should not be a bannable offense on these forums as it has clearly been in the past. I was recently banned just for having a differing opinion then a mod and a few of his mates, then when I asked for an explanation of the ban I got a sarcastic response and my ability to even ask him questions was removed ... now where do we see this type of behavior ??? hmmmmm (OMG that guy has a differing opinion shut him up, shut him up)

[Ross]

I was recently banned just for having a differing opinion then a mod and a few of his mates, then when I asked for an explanation of the ban I got a sarcastic response and my ability to even ask him questions was removed

Hi Loki,

You were put on read only for a week, you were not banned from the forum.

Your infraction was for Insulting and causing disruptive behavior.

This is a private party, INVITE ONLY. We expect all members to act accordingly.

You either did not read the Forum guidelines or you took no notice of them. I will draw your attention to these ones in particular:

RESPECT:

Disagreeing with various points or topics is natural, however we do require that our members be treated with respect. If a member’s conduct is seen to hurt the community spirit of the group and persist even after warnings to desist, they will be unsubscribed. Generally individual posts will be moderated first, and thus not appear on the forum, before the member is unsubscribed.

3. POSITIVITY


1. All members are expected to contribute to the positive energy and attitude of the forum. While healthy debate is a traditional and integral part of all critical inquiry, members are expected to be open-minded, committed to learning, and responsive to well-intentioned feedback.

2. Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave.

Now that you are familair with how this forum operates I expect this 'argument' to stop.

Regards

Ross

[bluestflame]

method of presentation

[Loki]

Hi Loki,

You were put on read only for a week, you were not banned from the forum.

Incorrect .. i could not access the forums or even get into my notifications, i couldn't not access the forum to read anything ... the mod removed my access to anything.


Your infraction was for Insulting and causing disruptive behavior.

I did not personally insult anyone.

I was not disrupting the conversation as a few who did not get banned were arguing the same point i was i was in direct flow with the argument.

I made a few general statements which are nothing that hasn't been discussed on here before and in Project Avalon videos.

The mod was clearly abusing his power and BANED yes BANED me from access to the forums for disagreeing with his point of view, I couldn't even have a reasonable conversation with the mod in question because as soon as i questioned why i was banned he removed my access from the forums and gave me a smart arse response.

[Ross]

Back on topic please.

Ross

[Ross]

Loki,

I have PMed you, please read. I remind you also
Now that you are familair with how this forum operates I expect this 'argument' to stop.


Now, back on topic.

Ross

[Icecold]

(Deleted by member for being off topic)

Off Topic Clarification:

MODS are the administrator's staff on a BB, they are needed to keep order and to make sure posters follow the rules of the board. They are necessary when members react with their hearts instead of their heads. Sometimes a discussion can become heated. That's human nature, it often happens.

For several years during the early 2000s I administered my own Bulletin Board in the US, at a time when the US citizenry was really going ape over 9/11. There was a lot of hysteria and many hot heads. It was hard work. If any member got the impression from my post above (now deleted) that I was not showing respect to the mods, that was incorrect. I support the MODS completely and respect their role.

To Loki: You need to not take this to heart. You weren't banned, the MODs were thoughtful in their approach to your breach of the rules. If you were invited here there must be a good reason.
Take that onboard and resume your communication without the angst. If a member's view is getting to you its probably better to ignore them and move on to a topic you'd like to discuss. You can still disagree with someone by using a good argument free of insults.

End of off topic clarification....

[Malcolm Linus]

My suggestion is to merge all future threads regarding Bill Ryan's person into this one thread. That way, those of us who don't feel the need to read about this can easily choose not to.

[Astra]

Bill Ryan is a fine, wise and courageous gentleman ... I think this quote suites him just fine:

“Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees the others.”
Aristotle

[mondaze]

i for one want to thank you bill. i found camelot about three years ago, and have watched everything you and kerry have put out since. you maintain the highwire act with great alacrity. you ask the right questions at the right time and do not push a particular line which is most unusual. attack the message if you must people... but not the messenger!

[noxon medem]

i for one want to thank you bill. i found camelot about three years ago, and have watched everything you and kerry have put out since. you maintain the highwire act with great alacrity. you ask the right questions at the right time and do not push a particular line which is most unusual. attack the message if you must people... but not the messenger!

This illustrate the importance of a thread like this.
- You refer to Bill Ryan as "the messenger", a confusion I see more people expose lately on the forum.
If you talk about the "Rulers"-material, the messenger is "Charles" (and your golden rule still valid).

I have seen Bill refer to his position as an interface, a journalist, an investigator and even a teacher.
Never the (their) messenger (in this case).
- That is a mix of roles that he should be aware to avoid, and we should be aware to avoid that confusion.
A comment of clearification on this from Bill would be nice. ( and a good advice )

[mondaze]

This illustrate the importance of a thread like this.
- You refer to Bill Ryan as "the messenger", a confusion I see more people expose lately on the forum.
If you talk about the "Rulers"-material, the messenger is "Charles" (and your golden rule still valid).

I have seen Bill refer to his position as an interface, a journalist, an investigator and even a teacher.
Never the (their) messenger (in this case).
- That is a mix of roles that he should be aware to avoid, and we should be aware to avoid that confusion.
A comment of clearification on this from Bill would be nice. ( and a good advice )
i was using a common aphorism and did not intend to suggest he was providing the message.

[noxon medem]

Hello Bill.
- A story about cats. As promised.
( just wanted to be sure of a happy ending before sharing it )

On the "Evolution"-thread, you used the cats, the human view of cats,
as a methaphore on the "Managers" view upon humanity at large.

The scanario of starving us all to death does not play well with the image
of the cat being taken for the last visit to the veterinarian, in my view.
Maybe putting the cats into wilderness could get closer, but the cats are
probably much better equipped than us humans in such a scenario.
(so I am suggesting you work on that methaphore, if using it at all)

- Anyhow, this is how the story go :
This is also about synchronicity, because the same day you used
that analogy of the cats being taken to the vet, this happened :

A friend called me, and asked if I wanted a cat.
Here is two allready, so I said no.
Oh,she replyed. WE cannot handle this, here are
six kittens and the mother, and we ourselves have
just got a child. It is too much. Half of the kittens
have to be "put to sleep" because here is a chaos.

I took half of the kittens to my home. Advertising them around.
Today I delivered the last two, and all of them now have
perfect new homes. I have even arranged for a fourth one
to be relocated also, some two weeks from now.
Then it will be managable levels for everyone.

Here they are:

3949

And lots of love to you, Bill.
You are a remarkable man.

:fish2:
nm

[Capt Kent]

Good job. Capt Kent

[Star Gazer]

Thank you for enduring Their slings and arrows, Bill Ryan.

-"I will bend like a reed in the wind."

[fifi]

Hi Bill,

I've just learnt from one of Atticus's post (can't remember which page it is in that long thread of Questions for Charles - ONLY! ) that you are willing to meet the Council of "33", and agree to put your hand through some kind of loop, and that if you are not honest at some point, you will lose your hand. And you agree to this! That proves that you are such an HONEST and COURAGEOUS person with A LOT of INTEGRITY. You are my hero, Bill, but I beg you to reconsider this. Because what if you are undecided, or not sure of how to answer some questions, I don't want any harm to come to you.

With much love and respect,
Fifi

[Mike]

darkstar? darkstar? anyone else here hear the echo? i was hoping he'd come back and reenlighten those of us falsely illuminated, mumbo jumbo talking, delusional wanna-be buddhas. lol!(haven't figured out the smiley face yet)

no, in all seriousness i admire what i believe to be the honorable intent here. it's just that a few of the comments conjure this sort of "if you're against the war, you're not a patriot" feel, if you'll forgive the analogy. i think most of us agree that bill is a well-intentioned man of great integrity, but there needs to be room for those who might disagree with him-if done respectfully, of course. i'm sure bill would agree.