Truth Seeking or Click Bait??

[AriG]

There are days when I think that I am just about done with the Alternative Community/Truth Movement/Fake Whistleblowers, dodgy interviews, and fantastical claims with absolutely no supporting evidence. Why do I keep coming back for more? Am I delusional? Am I addicted to I drama?

Today is one of those days. I have just finished reading the entire “Mark Richards” thread and I am left with some broad brush impressions.

1. The Alternative Community is hell bent on destroying itself. For example, on today’s home page at PA, there are two prominent threads. One regarding the Richards scenario and another whose aim is to destroy David Wilcock. The Richards thread, appears to be started by a Member who is or was actively involved in the pending documentary. From what I can ascertain, he is unhappy about the presence of CW Chanter in the film and Chanter’s attempts at co-opting the material. So rather than bowing out, he appears to be turning the whole thing into a labyrinth of mind bending minutia that only insiders would understand. Why? Why not just bow out and let the documentary stand on its own legs? And Kevin Moore? I personally would appreciate not being sold your documentary via PA. Finish the thing and let the sun shine in! The same holds true with the Wilcock Character Assassination. Why not just let his material flop? Caveat Emptor. If one is naïve enough to invest in snake oil? I can understand why some might want to provide a “heads up” to other members, but to ramble on and on and on about someone who is obviously the Alternative Community’s version of a tent revival seems a bit distracting. Let me elucidate a bit further as to why these types of occurrences are damaging (in my opinion):

A. There is a lot of scary, unbelievable, threatening and REAL stuff going on right now. Stuff that any “awakened” individual should be vehemently protesting from every rooftop. But instead? Their attention is diverted, subverted and diluted to the point that they are chasing their tails in a vain attempt (def: all talk no action) to discern truth and/or focus on what’s really important. One good example? Facebook’s new “dangerous” list.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/03/conservatives-express-support-for-facebook-censorship/

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/72477/tucker-carlson-facebooks-zuckerberg-dictating-which-political-opinions-youre-allowed-to.html

B. The Alternative Community as a whole has immense influence and power. They are some of the most lucid, articulate and well- read individuals anywhere. I thought that the members of the Community knew the enemy. But I might be wrong, as would be evidenced by their rabid and misdirected attack on ONE ANOTHER. All the while, the power brokers, the elite, the corrupted, continue their evil deeds. And what is the Alt Com doing about it? Arguing about Corey Goode, David Wilcock and Mark Richards. Seriously? How about starting a thread on the tyranny of John Bolton and devising a plan to get him out of power! Now that would be awakened!

Yes, there are many visible people in the Alt Com who for whatever reason, don’t do their research (sorry Kerry, but you can’t always follow your instincts), but I cannot believe that we would waste time lambasting them when world leaders follow “bad intel” (aka, contractor/lobbyist pressure) and take REAL ACTION that destroys lives on a daily basis.

So, IMHO, I think it’s time to call the Alt Com’s bluff. Are you really into exposing truth, effecting change and making a difference or are you just, dare I utter the words… click bait!?

The Alt Com as a whole has a serious problem, I am not directing my comments at Project Avalon in particular. Project Avalon is a better quality organization, but sadly, some of its participants seem more interested in (as has been quoted on the aforementioned threads) Jerry Springer drama versus meaningful research into topics that actually matter and discernment. And it’s these threads that seem to have prominence over some really good material posted by thinking Members. Please reconsider this approach. Your voice is power. Please don’t waste it. We truly do not have much time left. David Icke’s “Totalitarian Tiptoe” has become a full on Flamenco dance!

[Intranuclear]

Ditto!

But perhaps an analogy:
Two ants arguing or fighting over who has the right to take a piece of grain to their respective hive, while an elephant unaware simply steps on them.

I have been the ant many times and may very well still be one, but I am tired of the argument.
Oh, and I don't want to be the elephant either.

I am sure the analogy can be expanded to include the introduction of a benevolent hunter who shoots the elephant and saves the ants :)

[Denise/Dizi]

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Standing ovation..

Like Doty said when discussing his work in counter intelligence, when handling the alternative community. "He didn't have to do much, the community itself did his work for him".. And that is sad. But it is true...

I couldn't agree more.... And I think it is wonderful that you started a thread about such things. If we address the largest elephant in the room, and we ask that everyone touch it, we can all recognize it is an elephant and move on forward united in our goals...

I keep clicking on some of those threads, thinking that in engaging, I can in someway "set an example", and get people more focused on what matters.. The facts. The issues... Not the drama.. When I am confronted with drama, I can't get that nonsense away from me fast enough. I don't even want it around me long enough, to even begin to develop tools to address it! But I will process it and learn something from it.

I have been feeling much the same way as your post reflects recently. So thank you for that. I think it fair we as a community address this... If we want to move forward as a whole and truly be the change that we wish to see...

So in that spirit, I am adding this reply, and I will start a thread in the next few days addressing an actual issue that concerns me.. (Not sure what just yet) and as the one who posts the thread, I will do my part in trying to keep it on topic and productive.. And if no one wants to engage, I will pick anther topic that I find equally as "Pressing" for the community to address... And I will address it.

I promise to my community, it won't be about what T Shirts Goode is promoting, or what comic books he is peddling. Nor will it be about the bright white color of Wilcock's new veneers.... If I want a little comic relief? That is why I joined other sites.

[AriG]

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Standing ovation..

So in that spirit, I am adding this reply, and I will start a thread in the next few days addressing an actual issue that concerns me.. (Not sure what just yet) and as the one who posts the thread, I will do my part in trying to keep it on topic and productive.. And if no one wants to engage, I will pick anther topic that I find equally as "Pressing" for the community to address... And I will address it


Denise,

I think that your critical issue thread idea is fantastic! You very well might be able to rally the great minds of Avalon around a common cause for good! That is so important. The forces at work, attempting to dilute our will aren't counting on someone taking real action. Thank you for doing this. I am eagerly anticipating participation in your meaningful threads!
:heart:

[onawah]

Thanks for this-- and please don't skip the threads on vaccines and 5G, two very critical issues, where real action can be taken now in various ways.

[Kryztian]

I have just finished reading the entire “Mark Richards” thread and I am left with some broad brush impressions.

1. The Alternative Community is hell bent on destroying itself. For example, on today’s home page at PA, there are two prominent threads. One regarding the Richards scenario and another whose aim is to destroy David Wilcock.

Thanks for this sentiment and stating it so clearly, however, I must say, that I disagree with you (cordially:sun:) almost 100%. I think that the Mark Richard thread is incredibly important and some of the work on David Wilcock (which is dispersed over several threads) is also vital too. I would even say that these are areas where Project Avalon is excelling and doing a real service to the Ufology/Conspiracy community, where we are actively bringing new information forth, analyzing it and making an important contribution.

Like Corey Goode, both David Wilcock and JoAnn Richards are frequent speakers at conferences and have both their followers and their detractors, that is, the are polarizing figures in the community and the ranks of division often form around them and their stories. Unfortunately, choosing a side should not be like choosing between two breakfast specials at a diner. At most, only one story can be the essentially true and correspond with reality and history. There are techniques to ferret out the truth, and we trying to apply them here. We are looking at evidence and testimony, we are looking a predictions and evaluating if they came true or not, we are trying to organize events on timelines and look for contradictions and do what ever it takes to uncover the facts and make sense of them, all to get a clearer picture of who is telling the truth, all so we can share this with the greater community, and hopefully end the division and get the community to focus on the stories that have a greater chance of being genuine.

Project Avalon is a great source on why David Wilcock is full of baloney. Unfortunately, when I talk to people who know a little bit about ufology they sometimes get a gleam in their eye and say enthusiastically "Have you every heard of David Wilcock?" Unfortunately, Wilcock gets the attention and the money, and the hard working serious ufologist who have done important, relevant research and speak at conventions at their own expense get ignored. Mean while foolish people gloat at David Wilcock who has a new prediction about how we are all going to be flying with the unicorns next year. :flypig: :flypig: :flypig:


Project Avalon is a better quality organization, but sadly, some of its participants seem more interested in (as has been quoted on the aforementioned threads) Jerry Springer drama versus meaningful research into topics that actually matter and discernment.

For the record, I totally hate that type of drama and like many on the thread am seeking to keep the participants grounded, and sticking to the facts and putting information out there. Of course this drama is unfortunately unavoidable: we have people closely attached to a murder victim, and someone else attached to a person in prison for decades who she claims is wrongly accused. They all have a big stake in this matter and it is a burning issue for them. If you can filter the Jerry Springer drama out of this thread, what is left is quite remarkable because you have a lot of opposing participants in this story all communicating together right here on Avalon. Never the less, it can be quite frustrating reading this thread, sorting through the drama to get to the information, and what you are left with is not a clear answer, because this thread is a work in progress, it is a working attempt to get to the truth.

Yes, there are a lot of other incredibly important stories out there and there is plenty of room for more threads, so please bring them here. There is plenty of room on Avalon for more good discussions, but also understand that the research on Wilcox and on Mark Richards is actually happening right here on Project Avalon and these threads are important.

[AriG]

I have just finished reading the entire “Mark Richards” thread and I am left with some broad brush impressions.

1. The Alternative Community is hell bent on destroying itself. For example, on today’s home page at PA, there are two prominent threads. One regarding the Richards scenario and another whose aim is to destroy David Wilcock.

Thanks for this sentiment and stating it so clearly, however, I must say, that I disagree with you (cordially:sun:) almost 100%. I think that the Mark Richard thread is incredibly important and some of the work on David Wilcock (which is dispersed over several threads) is also vital too. I would even say that these are areas where Project Avalon is excelling and doing a real service to the Ufology/Conspiracy community, where we are actively bringing new information forth, analyzing it and making an important contribution.

Like Corey Goode, both David Wilcock and JoAnn Richards are frequent speakers at conferences and have both their followers and their detractors, that is, the are polarizing figures in the community and the ranks of division often form around them and their stories. Unfortunately, choosing a side should not be like choosing between two breakfast specials at a diner. At most, only one story can be the essentially true and correspond with reality and history. There are techniques to ferret out the truth, and we trying to apply them here. We are looking at evidence and testimony, we are looking a predictions and evaluating if they came true or not, we are trying to organize events on timelines and look for contradictions and do what ever it takes to uncover the facts and make sense of them, all to get a clearer picture of who is telling the truth, all so we can share this with the greater community, and hopefully end the division and get the community to focus on the stories that have a greater chance of being genuine.

Project Avalon is a great source on why David Wilcock is full of baloney. Unfortunately, when I talk to people who know a little bit about ufology they sometimes get a gleam in their eye and say enthusiastically "Have you every heard of David Wilcock?" Unfortunately, Wilcock gets the attention and the money, and the hard working serious ufologist who have done important, relevant research and speak at conventions at their own expense get ignored. Mean while foolish people gloat at David Wilcock who has a new prediction about how we are all going to be flying with the unicorns next year. :flypig: :flypig: :flypig:


Project Avalon is a better quality organization, but sadly, some of its participants seem more interested in (as has been quoted on the aforementioned threads) Jerry Springer drama versus meaningful research into topics that actually matter and discernment.

For the record, I totally hate that type of drama and like many on the thread am seeking to keep the participants grounded, and sticking to the facts and putting information out there. Of course this drama is unfortunately unavoidable: we have people closely attached to a murder victim, and someone else attached to a person in prison for decades who she claims is wrongly accused. They all have a big stake in this matter and it is a burning issue for them. If you can filter the Jerry Springer drama out of this thread, what is left is quite remarkable because you have a lot of opposing participants in this story all communicating together right here on Avalon. Never the less, it can be quite frustrating reading this thread, sorting through the drama to get to the information, and what you are left with is not a clear answer, because this thread is a work in progress, it is a working attempt to get to the truth.

Yes, there are a lot of other incredibly important stories out there and there is plenty of room for more threads, so please bring them here. There is plenty of room on Avalon for more good discussions, but also understand that the research on Wilcox and on Mark Richards is actually happening right here on Project Avalon and these threads are important.

I understand your position, but you did mention "money" and sadly? That's probably what the click bait is all about, because it doesn't take a twenty page thread to ascertain that the Mark Richards story is hogwash, and that Wilcock is a Charlatan. The point that I am obviously not making is that there really isn't room for all of this (IMO) because it detracts and deflects from the real issues that threaten us all. I truly don't understand why a thinking person would want to wile away hours on Alt Com incest versus the REAL issues that are going to blindside us all in a not too distant dystopian future. In other words, Nero "fiddled while Rome burned". Aren't we supposed to be immune to the brainwash? Aren't we supposed to be awakened?

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Thanks for this-- and please don't skip the threads on vaccines and 5G, two very critical issues, where real action can be taken now in various ways.

Onowah, can you link me to these threads? The forum is so heavy with posts. Thanks again! Ari

[Kryztian]

I understand your position, but you did mention "money" and sadly?


With Wilcox, yes, there is a lot of money. But frankly, I don't think that is his primary motivation. He is just a very shallow thinker.

With Mark Richards, no, I don't think we've found a definite money trail to big money on this one, and I am not 100% convinced this is hogwash. With Wilcox, yes, we are trying to prove him to be a phoney and get him off the stage, but with Mark Richards, I want to know the truth for myself. I am not 100% convinced that this story is hogwash. It might be "obviously so" for some people, but I have spent a great deal of time looking into this story and have found no smoking guns.

[AriG]

I understand your position, but you did mention "money" and sadly?



With Mark Richards, no, I don't think we've found a definite money trail to big money on this one, and I am not 100% convinced this is hogwash. With Wilcox, yes, we are trying to prove him to be a phoney and get him off the stage,

Kryztian,

This might seem irrelevant, but in your quote above, who is "we"? You almost sound as though there is some collective working on these stories. By no means do I mean to sound antagonistic at all, but your use of "we" really got my attention.

[Gemma13]

Onowah, can you link me to these threads? The forum is so heavy with posts. Thanks again! Ari

With all due respect, this comment speaks volumes re your awareness of topics being discussed on Avalon.

Corey Goode and Wilcock have quite a history that includes individuals coming forward who have not only been duped of their time, by getting sidelined from credible researchers, but burnt financially. Let alone those who have/are recovering from the devastating effects of being seduced into cult mentality.

My investment here is to help Avalon hold steadfast as gatekeepers to hobble and contain charlatans so that younger generations, beginning their journey of discovery, have half a chance of not wasting valuable time on rubbish. This is also why it is important for these topics to continually revive into the daily feeder. Newbies, who are doing due diligence searching, then have a chance of easily finding evidence based critiques to prompt them to search for older threads.

I would suggest that you skip over topics that don’t interest you and spend your time digging into causes that do interest you; and yes, sadly there are bucket loads. Far too many for any one individual to cover, so spreading ourselves over a range of them is productive and is why I appreciate the due diligence being done on other topics that I look at, but don’t contribute to.

I think the suggestion for us all to come together on specific topics only is retarded and dangerous. Why would we hobble ourselves that way giving unchecked passage for charlatans to reign with no accountability?

I do appreciate your comments and the fact that you spent time reading all of the Mark Richards thread but it would take considerable time to get a handle on the Wilcock/Goode saga. Suffice to say, it is definitely not “click bait”.

The WE, as in Kryztian’s comment, are members, like myself, who spend endless hours researching charlatans within the community – and this is all very well documented on the forum; for example in my case, in many of the Goode/Wilcock threads.

[AriG]

Onowah, can you link me to these threads? The forum is so heavy with posts. Thanks again! Ari

With all due respect, this comment speaks volumes re your awareness of topics being discussed on Avalon.

Corey Goode and Wilcock have quite a history that includes individuals coming forward who have not only been duped of their time, by getting sidelined from credible researchers, but burnt financially. Let alone those who have/are recovering from the devastating effects of being seduced into cult mentality.

My investment here is to help Avalon hold steadfast as gatekeepers to hobble and contain charlatans so that younger generations, beginning their journey of discovery, have half a chance of not wasting valuable time on rubbish. This is also why it is important for these topics to continually revive into the daily feeder. Newbies, who are doing due diligence searching, then have a chance of easily finding evidence based critiques to prompt them to search for older threads.

I would suggest that you skip over topics that don’t interest you and spend your time digging into causes that do interest you; and yes, sadly there are bucket loads. Far too many for any one individual to cover, so spreading ourselves over a range of them is productive and is why I appreciate the due diligence being done on other topics that I look at, but don’t contribute to.

I think the suggestion for us all to come together on specific topics only is retarded and dangerous. Why would we hobble ourselves that way giving unchecked passage for charlatans to reign with no accountability?

I do appreciate your comments and the fact that you spent time reading all of the Mark Richards thread but it would take considerable time to get a handle on the Wilcock/Goode saga. Suffice to say, it is definitely not “click bait”.

The WE, as in Kryztian’s comment, are members, like myself, who spend endless hours researching charlatans within the community – and this is all very well documented on the forum; for example in my case, in many of the Goode/Wilcock threads.

You have turned an honest conversation into a hostile confrontation and I will not buy into your alphabet agency tactics. I am not suggesting that the forum retards, I am suggesting that it focuses and eliminates the waste, and to be honest, spending endless hours attempting to discredit Wilcock is waste. Why aren't you spending hours investigating the corruption in government, business, MSM? Me smells a rat! And that is why, IMHO, that true investigators are silenced. Its funny. You and Krystian are expressing extreme concern over my observations versus the other members who are in agreement (thus far). And you do it with such vitriol. Hmmm.

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[Kryztian]

With Mark Richards, no, I don't think we've found a definite money trail to big money on this one, and I am not 100% convinced this is hogwash. With Wilcox, yes, we are trying to prove him to be a phoney and get him off the stage,

Kryztian,

This might seem irrelevant, but in your quote above, who is "we"? You almost sound as though there is some collective working on these stories. By no means do I mean to sound antagonistic at all, but your use of "we" really got my attention.

Good question, not that I was thinking about who "we" referred to. But if there is a "collective", then yes, those of us at Project Avalon that are investigating, trying to uncover the truth, no matter where it leads us. "We" is just the people on these threads making observations, putting forthing information and asking questions. No secret societies here! :sun:

[AriG]

With Mark Richards, no, I don't think we've found a definite money trail to big money on this one, and I am not 100% convinced this is hogwash. With Wilcox, yes, we are trying to prove him to be a phoney and get him off the stage,

Kryztian,

This might seem irrelevant, but in your quote above, who is "we"? You almost sound as though there is some collective working on these stories. By no means do I mean to sound antagonistic at all, but your use of "we" really got my attention.

Good question, not that I was thinking about who "we" referred to. But if there is a "collective", then yes, those of us at Project Avalon that are investigating, trying to uncover the truth, no matter where it leads us. "We" is just the people on these threads making observations, putting forthing information and asking questions. No secret societies here! :sun:

LOL Maybe it was a "royal" we ;) Nonetheless, i have opened a can of worms. And that is very telling. Thank you for your responses.

[onawah]

Sure Ari. This thread is the newest one on the subject of vaccines, but it's a good place to start: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106821-The-US-Vaccine-issue-is-more-than-just-about-the-Shots-it-is-about-totalitarian-tiptoe&p=1288363&viewfull=1#post1288363
...Delight has been doing a great job of leading the search for some of the most recent and most frightening info on vaccines.
If you have not been keeping up with it, I guarantee it will shock you, and the title of the thread doesn't even begin to say it all.
There are a couple of older vaccine threads too, which give lots more history, so you might want to start at the end and work backward with those:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71330-Do-vaccines-contribute-to-autism-Should-we-vaccinate&p=832752&viewfull=1#post832752

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91081-The-poisoning-of-America-Glyphosate-Statins-and-Vaccines&p=1072174&viewfull=1#post1072174

This is the premiere thread about 5G, started back in 2017, :
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&highlight=vaccines
Exomatrix, who started the thread, also does a lot of work on other online venues to bring the 5G issue into clear focus.
Also:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104464-EMFs-Electro-Magnetic-Fields-pollution-Their-lethally-detrimental-effects-and-effective-counteractive-solutions.&p=1251440&viewfull=1#post1251440

Thanks for asking! :nod:





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Thanks for this-- and please don't skip the threads on vaccines and 5G, two very critical issues, where real action can be taken now in various ways.

Onowah, can you link me to these threads? The forum is so heavy with posts. Thanks again! Ari

[AutumnW]

I find reading, learning about charlatans in any industry interesting. Sometimes less is more though. The Mark Richards thread held my interest for the first few pages. Easy to see he's a liar by that point.

The alternative community is simply alternative to mainstream, Ari. It's unlikely the masses who've turned their back on consensus reality will ever be united in determining what is most important in a field of similar but not entirely identical interests.

There is an upside to this. There are ideas in the alternative community that may be quite paranoid, fundamentalist, bat **** crazy. As there is a lack of unity in the alt community these ideas will never gain the traction they might otherwise achieve.

Even ideas that may have some element of truth to them could be dangerous if a strong consensus formed around them. For example, the idea that we are not in control of our minds, that aliens invade our thoughts. I am intrigued by this idea. I think it might be true, but in a very limited way. Would it be a good thing for the alt community to form a strong consensus around this idea? What if it did permeate the mainstream? Imagine how weird that would be, what it could lead to.

Anyway, now I'm rambling. I guess my point is, sometimes a lack of unity is a good thing. This helps me relax a little with regards the potential for new religions emerging out of an area where we lack concrete understanding. I think, (if I can speak for those who are studying Good and Richards,) they feel these cons are a real danger for other reasons. And let's not forget the sheer annoyance factor of watching someone lying through their teeth and getting paid for it!

[Mike]

I totally get what Ari is talking about here. And yet, it's all quite layered.

There is a Bukowski book on my bookshelf titled "War All The Time"; that's the alt community for you. We're often at war with the mainstream - and justifiably so in many instances. We're at war with many of the personalities in the alt community as well - sometimes justifiably so but sometimes overzealously; and finally, we're often at war with each other(almost always needlessly). We're a sensitive bunch (myself included) and having been manipulated nearly all our lives by our schools and religions and media, it's no mystery why.

In short, there is tension everywhere.

It's all very serious, and yet if one takes it all *too seriously* a nervous breakdown will undoubtedly be waiting. I like to joke around a great deal. It keeps me sane. It carries me into that undefinable space where i'm aware of the gravity of some of these topics, and how entrenched i am in them on this physical plane, but also keeps me distant enough in some oblique way that i know perhaps spiritually i'm much bigger than all of this. basically it gives me balance. humor is my trick.

everyone would do well to find their own personal trick. we will always be at war with the mainstream, and there will always be battles with various alt personalities - we likely can't stop that. but we can stop warring with each other. that's very much in our power. so i think it's prudent to start there. it's a tough world, so lets not make it any worse.

The infighting in the "alt community" is especially tiring. Exposing one phony whistleblower only seems to create 2 more. They're like bloody cockroaches. Ari makes the very valid point that people like Wilcock and Goode and Smith shouldn't require endless threads to expose them. I said something very similar recently: to paraphrase myself, it was something like ,"Goode and Wilcock aren't the problem, they're easily exposable. It's the audience that's the problem."

and what we're finding now (well we've likely always known) is that there is no "alternative community" - there's a very large group of individuals who all feel very differently about most of this stuff. recently it seems to be separating into 2 basic groups - the facts and science crowd vs what's left of the new age crowd..which has kind of morphed into this fictional space-faring, quasi star-wars sort of cult thing..

Ari is right - we'll likely never help them to see the light. it's largely a waste of time and energy.

but there are newbies who are just coming along who could use a bit of a road map. i think the info we provide on Goode and Wilcock etc is valuable for them. plus, although we are a very different kind of "alternative community" than the new-agers, we tend to get lumped in by the general public; if we want to be taken seriously we must strive in some way to differentiate ourselves from that crowd.

but we musn't get lost in doing that; we must not exhaust our energy in that one arena. I think that's partially what Ari is saying. Our priorities may be a little backwards at the moment. and honestly, i think we're guilty of using many of these distractions as a form of escapism. It's a means if burying our heads in the sand. It's much easier to focus on the Goodes and the Wilcocks than it is to actually affect change in the real world. The latter takes much more courage and energy, and is much more terrifyingly "real", while things like UFO's and the SSP - though important - can easily qualify more as entertainment sometimes.

[Iloveyou]

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I hope you don‘t !!!
I hope you don‘t insist on that, Ari!

[Mike]

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I hope you don‘t !!!
I hope you don‘t insist on that, Ari!



I'm pleased to announce that Ari has allowed us to keep the thread open:thumbsup:

[Gemma13]

You have turned an honest conversation into a hostile confrontation and I will not buy into your alphabet agency tactics. I am not suggesting that the forum retards, I am suggesting that it focuses and eliminates the waste, and to be honest, spending endless hours attempting to discredit Wilcock is waste. Why aren't you spending hours investigating the corruption in government, business, MSM? Me smells a rat! And that is why, IMHO, that true investigators are silenced. Its funny. You and Krystian are expressing extreme concern over my observations versus the other members who are in agreement (thus far). And you do it with such vitriol. Hmmm.

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Moderators? Please close this thread. It is obviously taking a turn toward a direction that was never intended. I have my answers. I know where I need to spend my valuable time. Thank you

And there it is . . . the ridiculous assumption that I, (and others), only spend our “valuable” time on what another may deem is “waste”. Let alone the somewhat conceited attitude that I should give up my sovereign choice of what to expose as corruption in favour of someone else’s choice.

Not that I am inclined to have to justify myself, but for the sake of clarity and in the interest of conversation from differing opinions - FYI: I invest all of my spare time into not only investigating global corruption, but raising awareness of such with others, as well as working collaboratively on projects, many of which I facilitate in my local environment, for example, Biophilic Cities.

Not sure what you are smelling . . . but it certainly isn’t a rat!

P.S. Wilcock/Goode come under “Business” corruption.

[Iloveyou]

Maybe the problem starts with the assumption that an ‚alt-community‘ does exist at all. Maybe it existed long time ago. Before or in early Internet-days. In my perception there are only individuals or really small groups who gather and work together for a special goal, for a certain amount of time. The ones whose intent is to do serious research and education, as well as those who gather to distract, exploit and attack anything that moves just one step away from mainstream (though the latter are certainly controlled by the players in the shadows).

To me the continued forced propagation of the ‚alt community‘ - idea smells like NWO: gather them all in one place and then attack. Then again, there‘s the human need to belong somewhere, to identify with something. It is a place where we are most vulnerable and easily be played upon. There are so many traps in all that. So difficult to cut one’s own path alone but not isolated. Well, now I‘ve digressed.

Post update:


. . . and what we're finding now (well we've likely always known) is that there is no "alternative community" - there's a very large group of individuals who all feel very differently about most of this stuff . . .

. . . read your post just now :)

[norman]

This is a hugely important topic but probably going to be one of the toughest to keep out of troubled waters.

An intelligent sense of humour required, for sure.

I've grown out of lots of things in my life, like when I grew out of assuming Santa Clause was really delivering my Christmas presents. We all need to keep going with that process, there's a veeeeeery long way to go with it.

In my experience, the hardest thing to grow out of is the thing you are most passionate about or get the most human interaction satisfaction from.

[Didgevillage]

What is the real issue?
It's the fact that banksters control various government agencies, doing vaccination, developing GM "foods," spraying chemicals in the sky, financing secret space programs and staging wars and revolutions throughout the world.

Basically, Gary Allen and Eustace Mullins said the banksters control the governments of leading countries. That's why wikipedia call them conspiracy theorists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Allen
Bill Cooper's research encompassed all these fields, except recent developments of GM and chemtrails.

These researchers had circles of supporters and readers, which may be called communities because they got together in the lectures and kept the discussions going.

When it comes to space aliens, Alex Collier, Simon Parkes and Barbara Marciniak maintain supporters and fans who buy books, CDs, make donations, etc.

Why the obsession with Wilcock and Goode?
What about Stewart Sverdlow who says he survived the Montauk Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project
and was sent to Palestine of 2,000 years ago with a gun to assassinate Jesus. (Swerdlow says he saw Jesus face to face but couldn't pull the trigger). He will be a much more interesting topic for discussion.

[Gemma13]

Why the obsession with Wilcock and Goode?
What about Stewart Sverdlow who says he survived the Montauk Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project
and was sent to Palestine of 2,000 years ago with a gun to assassinate Jesus. (Swerdlow says he saw Jesus face to face but couldn't pull the trigger). He will be a much more interesting topic for discussion.

Yeah, why not!
If anyone else has time to investigate the many others instead of whining about those that are investigating ones they don’t care for . . . then go for it. I certainly would appreciate it.

What people need to understand is that there are many people who have, and do, benefit from the tireless research efforts and “reminders” on Goode/Wilcock.

But wait . . . there’s more. The persistent approach also helps uncover connections not previously known which is helpful to other presenters that sometimes get caught up in the mix.

The picture is far bigger than just the financial exploitation. For those not familiar with the history, Goode/Wilcock were instrumental in causing a serious detraction from authentic researchers at Conferences, MUFON, etc and many respected researchers have been in public debate over this issue for a few years.

[Bubu]

"The Alternative Community is hell bent on destroying itself."

No they are not. But the bankers their masters and cohorts are. Since they have the liberty of producing money from thin air and use it as bait to our own kind, They are able to send an army of trolls to all forums. These trolls will normally make useless threads and is corroborated with their own kind. Thus you see it is easy to steer the conversation towards the useless.
I believe this sentiment been aired here many times by a number of members including me. The right thing for real truth seekers to do is to make as many good threads and to not participate on the garbage discussion. Recently I made 2 threads that is useful because it concerns directly of the things we do. we have use for them. And also one that is totally garbage. I am glad it got zero reply.

[Bubu]

What people need to understand is that there are many people who have, and do, benefit from the tireless research efforts and “reminders” on Goode/Wilcock.



I honestly dont see how this is of help. Truth is, we can not absolutely verify anything especially if its said by this or that person because the water is no longer water its already mud, with so many variants that is purposely created to confuse. And even if we verify it what use do I have of it? Oh sure UFO is true so what? Can I do anything about it? Can I convince others about it. Certainly not. Its even very difficult to convince people about vaccine that directly concerns their children or even the health issues that directly concerns them. How do you supposed these people will listen to your lectures about UFO's, MUFON and all. Sure it has use maybe 1% of the time. And by the amount of time given on them it simply makes them a garbage a waste of time. Yeah that's the essence of trolling " waste their time on useless things" I have a simple rule when choosing what to click "Can I do something about it"? "do I have use for it"? Try to answer that with the topics you discuss and you'll see most are garbage.

[Denise/Dizi]

I understand your position, but you did mention "money" and sadly?


With Wilcox, yes, there is a lot of money. But frankly, I don't think that is his primary motivation. He is just a very shallow thinker.

With Mark Richards, no, I don't think we've found a definite money trail to big money on this one, and I am not 100% convinced this is hogwash. With Wilcox, yes, we are trying to prove him to be a phoney and get him off the stage, but with Mark Richards, I want to know the truth for myself. I am not 100% convinced that this story is hogwash. It might be "obviously so" for some people, but I have spent a great deal of time looking into this story and have found no smoking guns.

I think the problem with Mark Richards,, is he is tapping on things that ARE real in some regards. Whether he data mined it, or he really thinks that he did it? Some of the information jumps out and even so much, as it compares to exactly what I myself have experienced and been told and shown in some regards.

So I think in this case we have to consider how and where he got the information. With the et able to pull us out of body, that really makes things a challenge, as no one wants to lend support to claims such as those.. Yet dang.. It's a tough spot because of the rest of the information.

I truly feel for Jo Anne and Kerry.. They're not deliberately trying to contaminant the scene, at least not in my humble assessment. But at the same time. How will we even know for sure where the facts came from? Contacts? Telepathic information? Data mining? A combination of any and all of those things? Who is to say.. Did he actually do it?

With cloning and consciousness transfers, and people suggesting, TO HIGH PRAISE, here on Avalon, that they're "Walking into other bodies".. It makes me cringe when someone ardently suggests it isn't possible for someone else..Perhaps throwing the baby out with the bath water on that one, is a bit premature..

If there wasn't such a stigma attached to Mark Richards, I wonder if the community would be so quick to throw him in the trash? And while I don't believe it all, the information that they're sharing is quite unique.. And I have heard and even seen one of the beings he is claiming to have been in contact with.

I DO hope, that eventually we will get there. But we are all in our own place as far as awakening, and I think the road will be bumpy along the way.. Change is difficult at best, but so long as we all approach it with the best of intentions, we should get the best result possible..

I am HOPING..

[TomKat]

There are days when I think that I am just about done with the Alternative Community/Truth Movement/Fake Whistleblowers, dodgy interviews, and fantastical claims with absolutely no supporting evidence.

Please stick around. We need people with life experience to balance out the, uh, less experienced people on Avalon.

[AriG]

@Denise (sorry on my phone difficult to quote). A walk in experience is nothing like what the Richards material suggests. It’s very subtle and has nothing to do with being incarnate on inhospitable planets - unless time travel is a component, which would require a -80,000 year leap. We haven’t been on Mars for 80,000 years.

[AriG]

There are days when I think that I am just about done with the Alternative Community/Truth Movement/Fake Whistleblowers, dodgy interviews, and fantastical claims with absolutely no supporting evidence.

Please stick around. We need people with life experience to balance out the, uh, less experienced people on Avalon.
TomKat,

Thanks so much for that but hang on, are you calling me old??!! LOL.

[Denise/Dizi]

@Denise (sorry on my phone difficult to quote). A walk in experience is nothing like what the Richards material suggests. It’s very subtle and has nothing to do with being incarnate on inhospitable planets - unless time travel is a component, which would require a -80,000 year leap. We haven’t been on Mars for 80,000 years.

I am so sorry AriG , if my reply to Kryztian took the thread off topic, that was not my intent.. (In hindsight I realize I did this and I do apologize).. But he was describing why the threads matter to him, so I responded. I am still "newer-ish" here and trying to remember to stay on topic lol.

Mark IS claiming that he is still doing missions.. So for that to be happening, one of those explainations above has to be considered.. How can he still be doing missions while behind jail walls? I suppose that would also explain how he could be doing tours on Mars, while also being in America.

I am not sure where the time leap comes into play? But I bet the et could accomplish that. And I don't know what species are on Mars, heck we could have originated there for all I know, and I wouldn't know any better HAHAHAHA... But that is not for this thread, and I do apologize for the interruption on a sincere thread.. One I truly felt worthy of becoming involved in. I think we are all somewhat easy to distract, I am no exception.

So perhaps there was some useful insight into why we AREN'T focusing on the bigger issues at hand. For me I easily switched subjects, not staying on task. When I came back and saw that you had replied to my comment, I felt so bad when I realized my post had nothing to do with the subject matter of the thread. But I am one of those trying to make a positive impact. Recognizing my shortcomings is the first step to correcting them.

But this isn't the thread to talk about such things on, so I do apologize. I was trying to reply to Kryztain.. as to why he felt that thread had value.. Engaging in those converations is a good thing, but it did then become it's own conversation. For that I apologize, I learned something in this.

TomKat, Thank you, I am NOT one of those with great experience here, so I do appreciate those that have been here a long time to help guide me, and I do look to them for their lead.. AriG being one of those.. I would hate to see any of those that have been here a long time to leave..

[AriG]

@denise

Sweetheart, no worries. I thought you were being cryptic about a PM between us wherein I shared that I believe that I am a walk in (at 18). LOL. It’s a long and not particularly interesting story, but I can attest that it is completely possible to die of a broken heart.

And what’s up with all this “experience “ reference? I am beginning to feel like Yoda! (Old you think Iam ..... Egggscellent)

This human body is aged to 53 human years. Lol. My doc says chronologically about 38. So, no deference required. We are all equals. ❤️

ETA-

I have been out in the hot sun repairing fencing all day. And it shows. @Denise- here=time on this forum? Ah, yeah but.... add up the quality of my posting and I’ll venture to say that “time is irrelevant”.

[Mike Gorman]

I applaud your perspicacity, and your timely warning that there are way too many profit seeking, self aggrandizing people exploiting the good will and honest curiosity of good people.
It is rather the same dynamic that we all experienced in high school (I suspect most of us anyway) when the various factions, and social trends extravagantly manifested. If you were with the 'Cool Kids' you got the invitations to the private parties, the inner-circles of the wealthy families. If you were maybe not so well-off, but had a quirky look, or personality you were brought along as novelty value.
This same dynamic plays out among the alternative communities, those who are authentically fascinated, and who know there much more taking place in our world, who have experienced and researched seem to get swamped by the cool gang, and the big personalities. Richard Dolan reminds me of the sincerely geeky kid, and he has called out many of these hucksters and B.S peddlers.
Anyway, I have some powerful resources, and the means to publish on the Triple W, if you have always wanted to build your own communication platform, if you have some ideas you wish to develop, which promotes this desire to know, to discover, to inform, to teach, to include. I have some good resources, and skills, let me know, I have been a part of this forum for nearly 10 years now, and I have not done this before, contact me if you would like to discuss, or don't, it is up to you.

[Gemma13]

AriG, you have publicly stated that you don’t read long posts so I can understand you not wanting to wade through the long Goode/Wilcock threads, let alone some of the very long posts and from that view I can understand how you could see them as a waste of time and space.

But as someone who has invested a lot of time in those threads, along with other members whose work I admire and am extremely grateful for, (one who is sadly no longer with us), I am acutely aware of the trove of information and very valuable evidence.

I hear the argument that in some people’s minds there are other “worthier” topics, but that is, quite frankly, a moot point due to the relevancy of perspective.

You yourself have warned people about cult mentality and I have no doubt you are well aware of the dreadful effects cult mentality has on individuals/groups. So for those of us that have witnessed many people seduced into Goode’s cult via deception, and done everything we can to help them get out, it is very relevant and negates the “unworthiness” of the topic.

Your opening statement insinuating Goode/Wilcock researchers are only interested in Jerry Springer dramas, followed by further insinuations that “we” are deliberately sidelining other topics of interest, was offensive to me. I reacted accordingly and I do apologize for my offensive remarks to you.

I hope you will re-consider your position on Goode/Wilcock researchers and while it is not important whether you, or others, deem the threads a waste of time, it is important that we respect each others choices. :handshake:

[TomKat]

@denise

Sweetheart, no worries. I thought you were being cryptic about a PM between us wherein I shared that I believe that I am a walk in (at 18). LOL. It’s a long and not particularly interesting story, but I can attest that it is completely possible to die of a broken heart.

And what’s up with all this “experience “ reference? I am beginning to feel like Yoda! (Old you think Iam ..... Egggscellent)

This human body is aged to 53 human years. Lol. My doc says chronologically about 38. So, no deference required. We are all equals. ❤️

ETA-

I have been out in the hot sun repairing fencing all day. And it shows. @Denise- here=time on this forum? Ah, yeah but.... add up the quality of my posting and I’ll venture to say that “time is irrelevant”.

If you walked in at 18, you're only 35, not 53. Or just dyslexic :-)

[AriG]

Gemma,

I used the Wilcock/Richards threads as examples as they were recent. There are hundreds more examples of this type of thing. My post isn’t about the people who partake in the threads (unless they use it to air dirty laundry and self promote) - it’s about a prevailing phenomenon in the Alternative world to witch-hunt easy targets including each other, versus the really big targets who have earned it. I used John Bolton as an example of someone who should be discussed as a threat to humanity. But here’s why that’s more difficult- he doesn’t provide a platform through which you can interact with him. But the Alternative does, perhaps to their own detriment. And yes, when posts exceed ten paragraphs with multiple links, graphics and are grammatically difficult, I don’t read them (not referring to you or your threads just in general). :cheers: