"Unidentified" - the TTSA series

[thepainterdoug]

We have all seen of recent the UFO topic covered extensively by the MSM. The question is, why now, and what are they up to?
I will watch, while remembering the alleged Werner Von Braun warning of a FAKE ALIEN INVASION card to be played as the final card .

https://rogueplanet.tv/80128/unidentified-premiere-episode-review/

[Intranuclear]

Alien invasion is certainly likely since after all, humans for hundreds of thousands of years have and still invade into territories that they can.
They tried the one world government but they can't even unite Europe, meanwhile some states in US and Canada want to secede. Oh then there was this humongous thing called the Soviet Union.
So why not alien invasion to try to bring people closer?
Since nearly 100% of UFO related information has been classified, how can anyone really trust "aliens", and those who do be be called naive or worse, stupid.

Politics has absolutely nothing to do with reality and reality is infinitely unimaginable, so the question is, what would you do to unite people of earth?

Jesus tried love and look how well that turned out.

The global economic card was tried and that has for the most part created some sort of stability, but the US has lost its edge and has mostly the superior weapons to keep others at bay and threaten immediate global economic collapse.

So here is how I see things:
--------------------------------
1. All aliens are benign and friendly and they are here to benefit and enlighten humanity ------ FAT CHANCE ----- ZERO % probability
2. All aliens are hostile and are here to enslave or conquer or modify humanity to suit their needs -------- ZERO % probability
3. All aliens here are at worst FAR more advanced than humans and benevolent or malevolent is meaningless, because any introduction of their technology into the economies is at best destabilizing ----------- 100% probability

Given that option 3 is the most likely, is it even slightly surprising that ALL nations and ALL big business will want exclusive access to these technologies.
So, given that, creating a fake alien invasion may actually make sense, because it will force the technologies (at least some of them) out into the open and perhaps at least get rid of the troublesome disclosure issues, because then they can claim that it was hidden for our own benefit (which in fact is not completely false).

[Patient]

I wonder if they will even need to play the fake alien invasion scenario. I expect that people will create that in their minds themselves if the government keeps disclosing information. Especially if they keep using the UAT acronym.

I still see the different governments and people not agreeing on how to handle the situation. There might be some alliances built, but a situation of heightened fear would bring about more corruption IMO.

Of course that would not be how we would like to imagine things going, but I think that there are too many people that would be quick to take advantage of any destabilizing that would/could occur.

[thepainterdoug]

Intranuclear, some good views expressed. thanks for posting

Patient, perhaps your right, then again, those Bilderberg select keep meeting behind closed doors and are discussing something?? and it aint the hockey scores.

this may already be arranged, and go as it has been decided to go.

[AutumnW]

We are in the midst of disclosure right now and this documentary is part of it. It's not something that is going to happen at a future date. It's the story of the millenia and the msm, now that they have been given the green light will slowly ratchet up to a peak in terms of market saturation of the topic and run with it....for years.

I think it will almost take this to knock Kim Kardashian's fat ass off the screen.

[Tyy1907]

We have all seen of recent the UFO topic covered extensively by the MSM. The question is, why now, and what are they up to?
I will watch, while remembering the alleged Werner Von Braun warning of a FAKE ALIEN INVASION card to be played as the final card .

https://rogueplanet.tv/80128/unidentified-premiere-episode-review/

Watching Netflix a trailer pops up - kids going to summer camp and they suddenly see ships flying over the lake. "Its Independence day" one kid shouts. Cant remember name of show, something rim

If they keep putting out and emphasizing the spooky side of the existence of UFO's its plain as day the Fake invasion is at least on the table.

[mountain_jim]

Got an email from To The Stars confirming this starts tonight (05/31) at 10 EDT

[Intranuclear]

Got an email from To The Stars confirming this starts tonight (05/31) at 10 EDT

Me too. .

[AutumnW]

We have all seen of recent the UFO topic covered extensively by the MSM. The question is, why now, and what are they up to?
I will watch, while remembering the alleged Werner Von Braun warning of a FAKE ALIEN INVASION card to be played as the final card .

https://rogueplanet.tv/80128/unidentified-premiere-episode-review/

Watching Netflix a trailer pops up - kids going to summer camp and they suddenly see ships flying over the lake. "Its Independence day" one kid shouts. Cant remember name of show, something rim

If they keep putting out and emphasizing the spooky side of the existence of UFO's its plain as day the Fake invasion is at least on the table.

That's a real possibility. It's equally likely they would like to roll out advanced technology they've had for decades. The Secret Space Program would require some of it's operations to remain secret, while others will be declassified.

What concerns me the most, if it can be believed, is that military pilots have seen a huge upswing in near misses cases in the last few years. This may seem really quaint and maybe a little absurd but my 'inner child' is scared to death of the remotest possibility an actual full on display of real ET craft with really freaking ugly occupants occurs. And if they are hostile? I think of the way we treat non pet animals and it terrifies me.

[Did You See Them]

Vanity Fair have their own take as well

"Please, God, Let It Be Aliens and Not Trump’s Space Force"

"It appears the U.S. government is softening us up for a revelation, either regarding extraterrestrial life or a world-disruptive military technology. It’s sad to say that alien life seems like the safer option."

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/please-god-let-it-be-aliens-and-not-trumps-space-force

[AutumnW]

Good Catch! I read that last night and it made me feel.....uneasy. How about you? Are you jazzed by this, intigued but a little scared too?

[Satori]

This is all controlled UFO "disclosure" and will be used to further deceive and manipulate the sheeple. Why do I say that? One reason is that today, 5/31/19, ABC's Good Morning America (a purported "news" source) devoted about 10 minutes pitching the program.

[Intranuclear]

This is all controlled UFO "disclosure" and will be used to further deceive and manipulate the sheeple. Why do I say that? One reason is that today, 5/31/19, ABC's Good Morning America (a purported "news" source) devoted about 10 minutes pitching the program.

Of course it is controlled. What else could it be?
How would you go about revealing earth shattering information?
How do you go about revealing stuff that has been heavily disavowed for at least 70 years and possibly much much longer??

The very first thing that will happen is that thousand of "eyewitnesses" will start coming forward and saturating the media with their stories, possibly drowning out critical information.
This will take a very very long time to sort out.
The recent "Me Too" movement comes to mind.

Meanwhile, the people sitting on all the classified information will sit back and watch.

[AutumnW]

If they are trying to freak people out, in order to place the U.S. under overt military dictatorship, in the interest of stability and continuity of government during an emergency all they have to do is place cattle mutilations under the general rubric of ufo phenomena. I think they want fear and uncertainty, but not panic, so won't play that card unless they feel they have to.

This is going to be very freaky and extremely scary for some who have never given the topic the time of day.

[boja]

"UNIDENTIFIED" on the History channel 31 May 2019.

You lucky folks in USA get to watch this.

PLEASE spare a thought for us in UK, EUROPE, and other countries - we can't watch it here!

PLEASE feel free to use this thread to share your views (GOOD or BAD) on Episode 1, and tell us all about it.
IMPORTANTLY, PLEASE tell us how it was received ?, and whether people outside the UFO community are now discussing the subject seriously ?

Here in England we still can't talk about UFOs without people taking the p***, and it's frustrating .
THANKS in advance.

[onawah]

Boja is referring to this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1294201&viewfull=1#post1294201

...and/or this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107200-Unidentified-starts-May-31st-on-the-History-Channel&p=1293971&viewfull=1#post1293971

Is it not possible to watch it online on the History Channel website from outside the US?



Here in England we still can't talk about UFOs without people taking the p***, and it's frustrating .
THANKS in advance.
That seems odd, since Simon Parkes has been so vocal about his Contact experiences, and he held a local government post for awhile and was in the news quite a lot there, I think.

[Clear Light]

"UNIDENTIFIED" on the History channel 31 May 2019.

You lucky folks in USA get to watch this.

PLEASE spare a thought for us in UK, EUROPE, and other countries - we can't watch it here!

PLEASE feel free to use this thread to share your views (GOOD or BAD) on Episode 1, and tell us all about it.
IMPORTANTLY, PLEASE tell us how it was received ?, and whether people outside the UFO community are now discussing the subject ?

Here in England we still can't talk about UFOs without people taking the p***, and it's frustrating .
THANKS in advance.

Ah, but with any luck I'll find a copy of it "online" somewhere tomorrow morning (UK time), download it and then upload it to a File Sharing service somewhere ... for all of "us" non-USA "Avalonians" to enjoy !!! ;)

[Tyy1907]

"UNIDENTIFIED" on the History channel 31 May 2019.

You lucky folks in USA get to watch this.

PLEASE spare a thought for us in UK, EUROPE, and other countries - we can't watch it here!

PLEASE feel free to use this thread to share your views (GOOD or BAD) on Episode 1, and tell us all about it.
IMPORTANTLY, PLEASE tell us how it was received ?, and whether people outside the UFO community are now discussing the subject ?

Here in England we still can't talk about UFOs without people taking the p***, and it's frustrating .
THANKS in advance.

Is there going to be something on there you havent heard before?

I'd watch it though also but I'm Canadian so I dont know.

[boja]

Onawah - Yes, you're correct about Simon Parkes -he once held a position in local government for a while.

Tyy1907 - Yes, I doubt there will be much that is new to us here, but my main concern is - Whether people

outside the UFO community are now discussing the subject seriously ?

[Richard S.]

I am looking for it as a torrent, when I find it, and if not already posted, I will share...

In the meantime, I think this is relevant:AdsySaJWIBA

I really do like Tucker, not in a fanatic type thing, just like his reporting...

[Clear Light]

I am looking for it as a torrent, when I find it, and if not already posted, I will share...

I had a look around earlier but was unable to find a single Torrent for it ! :noidea:

[CaptnNemo]

I am looking for it as a torrent, when I find it, and if not already posted, I will share...

I had a look around earlier but was unable to find a single Torrent for it ! :noidea:

Same here, no torrents yet...

[Clear Light]

Ah, a sympathetic Reddit user has put up this working DailyMotion link of it (at around 7am UK time) : Unidentified - Inside Americas UFO Investigation s01e01 (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7a0s46) ... get it while you can !!! ;)

PS I have it downloaded now if the link stops working (which is quite likely eh ?)

[Clear Light]

So, at 13:55 "according to this leaked summary of the incident" (Page 7 of PDF here (https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document_dev/2018/05/18/TIC%20TAC%20UFO%20EXECUTIVE%20REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf)) :


F / A-18F Intercept and Visual Contact

FASTEAGLE 01
Pilot: CDR David 'Sex' Fravor, USN/WSO: LT
FASTEAGLE 02
Pilot: LT , USN/WSO: LCDR USN

CDR Fravor, Commanding Officer VFA-41, was the pilot of FastEagle 01. He and LT
-were in the lead aircraft of the first F /A-18F section airborne that day
from VF A-41, call sign FastEagle O 1. The flight walked, started and launched with no
issue. They completed their departure from the USS Nimitz and flew to the working
area to conduct the training portion of the flight. After they completed their training
the E-2C controller handed them off to the USS Princeton callsign 'Poison' where
they received vectors via Bearing Range Altitude Aspect (BRAA) to an unknown
contact flying into the working area from the south. Poison asked what ordnance
they had on board. LT-told Poison control that they had two captive
training AIM-9Ms (CATM-9) and no other ordnance.

Now, for reference there is already a thread discussing the "Tic Tac" footage on Metabunk at 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UFO FLIR footage (FLIR1) (https://www.metabunk.org/2004-uss-nimitz-tic-tac-ufo-flir-footage-flir1.t9190) that specifically mentions the report in the program on page 8 of the thread (here (https://www.metabunk.org/posts/222052/)) ... if you have the "spare time" to get "stuck into it" ?

[CaptnNemo]

Ah, a sympathetic Reddit user has put up this working DailyMotion link of it (at around 7am UK time) : Unidentified - Inside Americas UFO Investigation s01e01 (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7a0s46) ... get it while you can !!! ;)

PS I have it downloaded now if the link stops working (which is quite likely eh ?)

Thanks for that!! :)

I also have the torrent hash/magnet for the ones who are interested!

e6f5aa782d7bf5d444468960db28fdc305dbea24

Works perfectly! MP4 575MB

Enjoy :)

[Clear Light]

... aaaaand if anyone feels like "stepping into the Rabbit Hole" just for some amusement to perhaps find out where it leads ... here's an article (1 June 2019) from The Intercept (https://theintercept.com/), entitled : The Media Loves This UFO Expert Who Says He Worked for an Obscure Pentagon Program. Did He? (https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/)


Whatever the truth about otherworldly UFOs (cue a collective eye-roll from scientists), there is one crucial detail missing from “Unidentified,” as well as from all the many stories that have quoted Elizondo since he outed himself nearly two years ago to a wide-eyed news media: There is no discernible evidence that he ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.

In reading the article, I find it is somewhat suggestive of "smoke and mirrors" and that it depends on WHO you ask as to WHAT information you'll have to Contemplate it all with ?

And on with the "show" I suppose ... :ufo:

[Intranuclear]

Thanks for the link. Just watched it. I guess this first episode did not reveal anything that one could not see even in much more detail in many of the YouTube videos regarding the tic-tacs.
It occurred to me that these revelations are akin to the 5 stages of grief:
1. denial
2. anger
3. bargaining
4. depression
5. acceptance

While the general public still seems to be at stage 1 (denial), I personally and probably many in this forum have gone far far beyond level 5 (acceptance) and into understanding (level 6?).
I feel certain that many, perhaps in the government, have gone into actually conducting business with those responsible for this phenomenon (would that be level 7?).

[Patient]

Thanks for the link. Just watched it. I guess this first episode did not reveal anything that one could not see even in much more detail in many of the YouTube videos regarding the tic-tacs.
It occurred to me that these revelations are akin to the 5 stages of grief:
1. denial
2. anger
3. bargaining
4. depression
5. acceptance

While the general public still seems to be at stage 1 (denial), I personally and probably many in this forum have gone far far beyond level 5 (acceptance) and into understanding (level 6?).
I feel certain that many, perhaps in the government, have gone into actually conducting business with those responsible for this phenomenon (would that be level 7?).

I think the 5 level of grief would be applicable if you were looking at it from the perspective of them being an actual threat - or the threat could be the government and their manipulation of the narrative.

[Intranuclear]

Thanks for the link. Just watched it. I guess this first episode did not reveal anything that one could not see even in much more detail in many of the YouTube videos regarding the tic-tacs.
It occurred to me that these revelations are akin to the 5 stages of grief:
1. denial
2. anger
3. bargaining
4. depression
5. acceptance

While the general public still seems to be at stage 1 (denial), I personally and probably many in this forum have gone far far beyond level 5 (acceptance) and into understanding (level 6?).
I feel certain that many, perhaps in the government, have gone into actually conducting business with those responsible for this phenomenon (would that be level 7?).

I think the 5 level of grief would be applicable if you were looking at it from the perspective of them being an actual threat - or the threat could be the government and their manipulation of the narrative.

Well here is what I find interesting.
In 1952, Maj. Gen. John A. Samford claimed that UFOs are NOT a threat.
Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MbGYAv7Cg

So why do people think that now the military is claiming otherwise when they have already "determined" over 60 years ago that it was not?

[Patient]

By being on Avalon a lot and communicating with each other we forget that the majority of people in the public do not have the knowledge that we do.

[Crackberry]

Really appreciate the links people...wasn't having much luck myself. thanks!

[CurEus]

Thanks for the ink....seems like a subtle infomercial for TTSA...... trying VERY hard to establish credibility.

[Denise/Dizi]

..............

I am a LOT discouraged by all of this.. here we are in 2019, and after watching the program... I have come to the conclusion that this is an effort to stall and misdirect the community again. Rather than start from where we are now, this is what should have happened in 1947. And even then, they put brick walls all around going any further...

I hear Luis suggest that this one person "Made History" by disclosing to Senators, (in private of course...) that we have UFO'S of "Unknown origin" in our airspace... No one wants to put their name on anything. So we can't actually question any of those supposed Senators, about what is being done about it, or going to be done about such things. Again this was all "show" and no "go"...

This has happened before with the work of Steven Greer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DrcG7VGgQU&t=273s

We have grown accustomed to hearing things in this way and taking that to mean something is being actually done about it, or that it is moving forward, yet this first video shows nothing of the sort.

It shows some people came forward telling what they saw, and that it went to a secret few senators, and that they don't even want to be known for receiving the information. Was Luis even talking to anyone on the phone in his car when he said as much? There are no records of any meetings, no names being given.. We got NOTHING to move forward with. I hope people see that.

I am sorry, but in my opinion, this isn't "Progress" at all, this is going BACKWARDS, dressed up to look like progress in my opinion... and this is a sorry state of affairs, and there is nothing TRANSPARENT about any of that.

Essentially we got the same thing most contactees say. Yes we saw a craft, this is how it behaved, a few images, and a few professionals saying, Wow, it looks like it's advanced, doesn't have wings. And nothing else.

[AutumnW]

Hi Dizi,

I hear you. From what I gleaned from mainstream media critics I figured nobody here is going to learn much new. But was it enough to convince those who don't know much at all about this phenomenon that it IS real and the government is and was taking a keen interest?

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the first episode, in the Avalon Library:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E01.mp4 (720p, 665 Mb)

[Tyy1907]

Hi Dizi,

I hear you. From what I gleaned from mainstream media critics I figured nobody here is going to learn much new. But was it enough to convince those who don't know much at all about this phenomenon that it IS real and the government is and was taking a keen interest?

Yeah it seems to be for " the uninitiated"

[Patient]

Hi Dizi,

I hear you. From what I gleaned from mainstream media critics I figured nobody here is going to learn much new. But was it enough to convince those who don't know much at all about this phenomenon that it IS real and the government is and was taking a keen interest?

And that is about all we can really hope for at this point anyway - that a few people are convinced that the government is taking an interest and that those people then start to talk and share with others.

For the most part it is mostly people who already believe and others like us who know more than the average believer who would even watch the show in the first place.

Sorry to say this, I really am...but it is going to take some patience. (No pun.)

[Star Tsar]

The gang @ Rogue Planet share their thoughts...


Rogue Planet TV

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The UFO Insiders

Published 2nd June 2019

On this episode of the UFO podcast UNKNOWN, Jason McClellan, Maureen Elsberry, Ryan Sprague, and Shane Hurd discuss the premiere episode of the new UFO show on History—Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation.

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[Spaceball Ricochet]

Just the same old static whitewash. Don't expect any forward motion..but if it's about preserving reputations surely they know that we know they are sitting on more than one ant-hill..

[Star Tsar]

Mr Elizondo will tell ya about it! In ten hours...


Podcast UFO

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Luis Elizondo | Discusses HISTORY Channel's Unidentified

Streamed & Published 7th June 2019

Stream starts in ten hours of posting time!

Live interview with Intelligence officer Luis Elizondo, who served as the former director of the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), an initiative launched in 2007 to study reports of UFO encounters. Luis will discuss the new HISTORY Channel series, Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation.

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[Ratszinger]

I watched it. I found myself believing that these people across the board are not just x government people but are all still working for the government even now promoting this. They want us to believe, no scratch that, they need us to believe we are being contacted by alien life and that is the agenda now pushed forward. For all the years of denial now suddenly it's necessary that people buy into the fact that we are being contacted. This of course so that when they stage the fake alien invasion everyone believes it and buys it hook line and sinker.

I don't trust any of them. They all had great jobs in the gov. They all were honorable and loyal so it stands to reason that none of this has changed. They're still working there for them it's not true that they are separated or retired I don't think. They may not be active duty and some may actually have retired but there is connection and loyalty and I know where that loyalty lies with each of them and it's just where it always lay, they support the government still.

[Patient]

They are in a good position in that the younger generations are in a prime spot for this.

And those who are already well educated within the ufo community are in a fragile position - they have been hoping for disclosure, so if you cut down what these great american heroes are doing for you then you must not really want disclosure do you?

TTSA is just going to slowly drip themselves into a position where they can steer the masses into supporting whatever they want to roll out.

[Star Tsar]

Mr Elizondo will tell ya about it! In ten hours...


Podcast UFO

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Luis Elizondo | Discusses HISTORY Channel's Unidentified

Streamed & Published 7th June 2019

Stream starts in ten hours of posting time!

Live interview with Intelligence officer Luis Elizondo, who served as the former director of the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), an initiative launched in 2007 to study reports of UFO encounters. Luis will discuss the new HISTORY Channel series, Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation.

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This is live now!

[Ratszinger]

They are in a good position in that the younger generations are in a prime spot for this.

And those who are already well educated within the ufo community are in a fragile position - they have been hoping for disclosure, so if you cut down what these great american heroes are doing for you then you must not really want disclosure do you?

TTSA is just going to slowly drip themselves into a position where they can steer the masses into supporting whatever they want to roll out.

Considering that I do not believe there is any aliens coming to attack us it stands to reason I think disclosure is a ruse especially when it comes from the lame stream media that has lied to us with anonymous sources that never existed, stories and fake sets orchestrated to present an agenda, followed by lies and fantasy narratives and more. People suddenly now trust the media telling these daily UFO reports from the Navy and the Air Force and NASA among others only because they favor the message they hear. They drop their guard knowing that the very sources telling them this info. have lied to them blatantly before simply because they like the topic. If they looked at it with the same eyes they use to pick apart narratives they dislike or find unfavorable they'd see it's very suspicious. For years the media has not wanted, even refused to talk about this and now suddenly it's all out there. Yep, very suspect.

True disclosure can only come one way and it's when they land or fly right over head showing all that they are here but even then with genetic experiments and the sickos behind them whatever beings we see could be something mutated they've created in a lab somewhere. Trust no one. There are no white hats. White hats is a faith based myth.

[AutumnW]

I watched it. I found myself believing that these people across the board are not just x government people but are all still working for the government even now promoting this. They want us to believe, no scratch that, they need us to believe we are being contacted by alien life and that is the agenda now pushed forward. For all the years of denial now suddenly it's necessary that people buy into the fact that we are being contacted. This of course so that when they stage the fake alien invasion everyone believes it and buys it hook line and sinker.

I don't trust any of them. They all had great jobs in the gov. They all were honorable and loyal so it stands to reason that none of this has changed. They're still working there for them it's not true that they are separated or retired I don't think. They may not be active duty and some may actually have retired but there is connection and loyalty and I know where that loyalty lies with each of them and it's just where it always lay, they support the government still.

The plan is to militarize space while militarizing the economy and imposing overt military dictatorship by scaring people ****less. The characters involved, AITIP and TTSA may not know this is the game plan. Though Elizondo must be at least wondering why he has been allowed to proceed unobstructed.

[Tyy1907]

I watched it. I found myself believing that these people across the board are not just x government people but are all still working for the government even now promoting this. They want us to believe, no scratch that, they need us to believe we are being contacted by alien life and that is the agenda now pushed forward. For all the years of denial now suddenly it's necessary that people buy into the fact that we are being contacted. This of course so that when they stage the fake alien invasion everyone believes it and buys it hook line and sinker.

I don't trust any of them. They all had great jobs in the gov. They all were honorable and loyal so it stands to reason that none of this has changed. They're still working there for them it's not true that they are separated or retired I don't think. They may not be active duty and some may actually have retired but there is connection and loyalty and I know where that loyalty lies with each of them and it's just where it always lay, they support the government still.

The plan is to militarize space while militarizing the economy and imposing overt military dictatorship by scaring people ****less. The characters involved, AITIP and TTSA may not know this is the game plan. Though Elizondo must be at least wondering why he has been allowed to proceed unobstructed.

Elizondo is using actual navy footage to boot.

Part of his background is in counter intelligence which I thought was interesting. Jury's still out for me as well.

[AutumnW]

A few spooks involved. Mellen is a big time former intelligence guy. I forget his title but WAY up there in either the CIA or DOD. None of them may know what the overarching intent is. Maybe there isn't one, but it would be very surprising if its based purely on the premise that we deserve to know the truth.

I find the fact Steven Greer hasn't had one iota of input here, totally appropriate and deeply amusing. He must be going out of his mind with envy. Poor Steve, turned his disclosure project into a dog and pony show for bucks. Too bad for him. Nobody's going to recognize his name soon. Give it a few years...Steven Who?

Sounds mean, I know, but here is a guy who didn't desparately need the money. He could have turned back to medicine before he sacrificed all of his principles.

Back to topic!

[Ratszinger]

Carol Rosin was a whistle blower also and she said Von Braun warned her of the fake alien invasion agenda over and over. So the real question then becomes which whistle blowers do you believe the first one that said the parasitic elitists planned a fake alien attack or the new whistle blowers likely sent in to do clean up after the first to be sure they can still carry out their plans? I believe Carol was being truthful personally. The guys involved in this show and other reveals lately are all government loyalists proud of their service and people that understand 'NEED TO KNOW' better than anyone. They would not speak unless it was sanctioned speech and they had a green light.

[boja]

Has anyone made Episode 2 available yet ??

[Clear Light]

Has anyone made Episode 2 available yet ??

Yup, it's up on DailyMotion as of about 2 hours ago ;)

Unidentified Inside America's UFO Investigation S01E02 - Raining UFOs (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7al5cu)



A former U.S. Navy radar operator emerges from the shadows to reveal the terrifying day it rained UFOs. For the first time, U.S. Navy personnel unveil new details of the stunning encounter, including a shocking capability that could explain why UFOs are sighted over oceans. Evidence of a U.S. military coverup emerges, as the team gets a major lead guiding them to an island with a long, clandestine history of UFO activity. Connections between UFOs and secret U.S aircraft must be explored.

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So having watched it, I'd say the only Conspiratorial element to this episode is the "missing" Logs from the USS Princeton eh ? And on this note :

From : A Forensic Analysis - the SCU report on the events of November 2004 is now available (http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/04/a-forensic-analysis-scu-report-on.html) (April 2019) [1]


The report notes that "During this time, as reported by three witnesses interviewed by our team, the communication logs, the radar data, and other associated electronic information was removed from the USS Princeton and a copy of the video from the USS Nimitz." The absence of this data meant that the SCU team were unable to provide as detailed a forensic examination of the characteristics of the AAVs, as they would have liked.

For the detailed SCU (https://www.explorescu.org/) report (covering some 270 pages) see "A Forensic Analysis of Navy Carrier Strike Group Eleven’s Encounter with an Anomalous Aerial Vehicle" (here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WgURI1Fzrkij3utVvcPISGTyEUNX4Z0J/view))

Page 15 :



The evidential value of the information retrieved from the Princeton was made clear by Petty Officer Voorhis who stated:

“...you could literally plot the entire course of the object, you could extract the
densities, the speeds, the way that it moved, the way it displaced the air, its radar
cross-section, how much of the radar itself was reflected off its surface. I mean
you could pretty much recreate the entire event with the CEC data.”

However, concerning this "missing" data :


Indeed, the former manager of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, Mr Luis Elizondo, at the March 2019 SCU conference at Huntsville, in reply to a question: "Since AATIP was selected to collect information on any threats, why wouldn't they have the radar data from the 2004 event?" Elizondo's response was "I didn't know we didn't," which in my opinion, appears to confirm that radar data from the 2004 event is held. [1]



:sherlock:

[Intranuclear]

Thanks again for the link.
Just watched it. For the most part it is a rehash of the first episode with a couple of extra pieces of info.
Turns out that the log data of the radar interceps were asked to be deleted by a mysterious helicopter that landed on the carrier after the incidents.
The radar operator was asked to delete the data and hand over the disks with the reason given that anything representing national security threats was classified (same old story of course).
The show is at least now trying to show that old reports from the 50's and 60's had similar tic-tac reports.
In my opinion, the show has yet to address the issue of why the "threat" has not yet materialized.
The show also needs to address the Area 51's captured disks including the "Locust" vehicles (human engineered triangular vehicles - see TR3B) that the Sekret Machines books are talking about.
Maybe at some point they will converge to a common theme, but for now the show is trying to establish credibility using the "threat" aspect which of course makes no sense in the larger picture.

[Intranuclear]

In retrospect I am wondering if TTSA is going with the "threat" theme due in some part of the disagreements of "all aliens representing no threat" that Steven Greer was stating and when Bill and Kerry did that contentious interview with him.
Maybe they think that threat will sell more? Certainly Hollywood has pushed that agenda 10 to 1 and made lots of money.
Still, having followed today's Reddit AMA with Paul Hellyer (Ask Me Anything) https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/by7ipl/i_am_a_95_yo_former_canadian_minister_of_defense/?limit=500
it appears that most people don't watch the History channel and are still generally close minded in regards to UFOs.
So maybe TTSA is still preaching to the choir and not attracting people who are unaware.

[ChristianSky]

Anyone have a link to download episode 2 (not just to view online)?

[ChristianSky]

PS I have it downloaded now if the link stops working (which is quite likely eh ?)

Clear Light, may I ask how you were able to download the video from the Daily Motion link?

[Clear Light]

PS I have it downloaded now if the link stops working (which is quite likely eh ?)

Clear Light, may I ask how you were able to download the video from the Daily Motion link?

Oh, well there's several websites that you can just copy the URL into and it does the rest (such as http://getvideo.org/ or http://savevideo.me/ or http://keepsaveit.com/ etc) and they do mostly work, however for larger files (including these Unidentified episodes) quite often I find the Download fails at some point or simply takes too long ... in which case using 4k Video Downloader (https://www.4kdownload.com/) seems to do the trick (usually) ! :highfive:

[ichingcarpenter]

History Channel's new show, "Unidentified" and MUFON Ron James and Jan Harzan talk about History Channel's new show, “Unidentified’, and how MUFON helped out.......3min video..............

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[Star Tsar]

Rogue Planet Gang's perspective


Rogue Planet TV

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Raining UFOs

Published 9th June 2019

On this episode of the UFO podcast UNKNOWN, Jason McClellan, Maureen Elsberry, and Shane Hurd recap the latest episode of History's new UFO show Unidentified.

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[Clear Light]

PRgoisHRmUE

The Nimitz Encounters Published on 26 May 2019


November 2004, 90 miles of the coast of Mexico near San Diego, California, the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was conducting routine training and aerial defense exercises when unexplained events occurred. No one could have predicted what would soon confront the world's most advanced naval war ships and fighter jets. Aerial craft would appear that forever changed all those that encountered them. The answers to the question of “what are they?” remains unanswered by the sailors and the US Gov. After years of cloaked secrecy the true story can finally be told. With multiple witnesses from the ships, their first hand testimony is impossible to deny. Our film features CGI re-creations as told by the sailors and naval aviators that witnessed them. Aside from the historical fictionalized dialog (no one recorded the radio conversations), the story itself is based on the facts of the case, including official US government docs, witness statements, news reports and official timelines. See www.thenimitzencounters.com for links to the official documents.

Contact us at anon@thenimitzencounters.com

Some military personnel have requested their names be removed or remain anonymous, out of respect for their privacy we have changed names and details to protect their identity. All similarities to persons living or dead is unintentional. The producers have made every attempt to verify details and deny any liability for errors or omissions.

Ah, if you want to hear about the Nimitz encounters, as portrayed in Unidentified, but without the TTSA "spin" may I suggest the above (32min) video ... it even talks about the removal of all the "Data Logs" being handed over to unknown Officials from a first person POV in some detail ... perhaps of interest eh ? :)

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the first episode, in the Avalon Library:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E01.mp4 (720p, 665 Mb)



And the second:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E02.mp4

[boja]

Has anyone posted Episode 3 yet ?

THANK YOU in anticipation. It is much appreciated.

[Clear Light]

Has anyone posted Episode 3 yet ?

THANK YOU in anticipation. It is much appreciated.

https://vimeo.com/342420806

Ah, you're in luck, it's up already on Vimeo and the same user has all three episodes to view !

[Bill Ryan]

Has anyone posted Episode 3 yet ?

THANK YOU in anticipation. It is much appreciated.

Here it is:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E03.mp4

[Intranuclear]

In episode 3 it is definitely starting to get interesting.
True or not, the statements made that because of very religious people high up believing that any involvement with UAPs is being involved with demons, no open investigations were allowed.
This I can buy as I have met too many people like that.
Of course there is no way for me to know what a demon is as humanity is full of phenomenally evil people that can probably make even demons flush, whatever the hell a demon is (what I have seen on TV cannot count).
In any case, this is beginning to explain the two groups involved high up, those who want to disclose and those who are fundamentally religious and wish no disclosure.
Maybe they are working on technology to send demons back from where they came from.
I guess nothing has changed in the last 10,000 years.

Of course, none of this yet makes sense, because clearly other countries are experiencing this and unless they are directly threatened by USA to stay quiet, why aren't they coming forward?
Anyway, even though the witnesses seem genuine, it is getting a bit silly hearing the premise over and over that these things are real and can come and go and are they a threat.
Who knows, maybe the show will graduate to the second grade before it ends.
I will still watch it though as there is nothing else. :)

[OopsWrongPlanet?]

Dark Journalist analysis on TTSA, 'Unidentified'... as a CIA Op... the 'Disclosure Cult'.

-euOScrR-jg

Perhaps most importantly he appeals to serious UFO researchers and reporters not to pussyfoot around, courting the stories, but instead to be clear from the outset in debunking this operation, thus avoiding the confusion which happened for 3 years over Gaia TV's Blue Avian Cult.

x

M

Mods, please feel free to move this post if it's better suited elsewhere.

[Intranuclear]

It was hard watching the Dark Journalist show as almost 2 hours he kept saying that Luis Elizondo is CIA and everybody else at TTSA is CIA so everything that TTSA is saying cannot be trusted.
DUH!!!
How naive can anyone be for God's sake. All of TTSA's bios are on their web-site and they all state openly their work in the intelligence community.
Who the hell else is going to be qualified except those who have worked on these insanely classified topics?
So now because these people are trying to at least legitimize the field they should be considered as CIA stooges?

TTSA's openly stated goal IS to "educate" the public about the realites/existence of UAPs instead of ridiculing people and destroying their lives for 70 years.
Of course it is a psy-op (psychological operation) as they are trying to reverse the ridicule that people have automatically associated with anyone claiming the reality of UFOs.
All parents do a psy-op on their children.
You think all children should be taught that no one can be trusted? That everyone has a hidden motive? That love is rare?
Children undergo massive psy-ops throughout their lives by parents, schools, religious institutions, the government, TV, commercials.
Nothing new here.
But their hope is that people doing real UFO research will start to get noticed instead of being laughed at.

TTSA's argument is not that UAPs are a threat, it is that how is it that nobody is talking about these issues when UAPs come and go as they please and no one says or does anything and instead ridicule and silence anyone who reports them.
He never mentioned why Trump is not acknowledging UAPs or defining the "real" goal of the "Space Force".

As UNIDENTIFIED is trying to show in EP 3, there are multiple groups in all of intelligence agencies. and the religious people are resisting any attempt at ANY disclosure because ALL UFOs ARE a threat, they are DEMONS.
It would be good to at least watch the shows or look at the books before launching such attacks. That would be good journalism.

OF COURSE it is complete and utter BS to state that UFOs are a threat, but how could they not be some kind of threat?
Everything is a threat to something. Any established institution that is impacted by the reality of UFOs is threatened.
This is naive journalism.
Of course blindly trusting TTSA is childish.
No need for trust as simply ask for reference data whenever ANYTHING is disclosed.

Why is he not mentioning that Trump himself went along with holding back some of the Kennedy assassination documents?
Maybe the critical parts that Kennedy was trying to disclose the UFOs and got killed for it?

Why did Trump just go along with the old denial of the UFO topic by saying "not so much" but also coming back with "but the pilots should know". What kind of double talk is that?

Disclosure requires full participation of everyone. It is not a spoon fed "truth". It is going to be a very difficult process of parsing all the releases and trying to understand the motives of keeping these secrets and looking at how to safely introduce disruptive knowledge into the social consciousness.

Assigning good or bad to advanced intelligence (ETs or whatnot) is childish.
Cultural anthropologists have demonstrated on many occasions how destructive it can be to lesser advanced societies when they innocently introduce objects.

I had a professor at the university who told of an expedition he was on.
They went somewhere (I don't recall the place) where there were two tribes. The two tribes had a trade between them. One supplied most of the agricultural goods and the other supplied tools such as stone axes. One of the anthropologists gave a metal ax to the tribe that was doing the agricultural work. That one ax created terrible conflict because now the tribe furnishing stone axes felt that they were being cut out.
Of course there are countless lessons out there.
Most people resist change as it is disruptive.

Things take time. Without time, all events happen at once.
I personally cannot wait, but most people around me don't even want to hear about aliens or UFOs because they "know" that it is all fake.

[Bill Ryan]

It was hard watching the Dark Journalist show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-euOScrR-jg) as almost 2 hours he kept saying that Luis Elizondo is CIA and everybody else at TTSA is CIA so everything that TTSA is saying cannot be trusted.
DUH!!!
How naive can anyone be for God's sake. All of TTSA's bios are on their web-site and they all state openly their work in the intelligence community.

I've not yet heard this, and I'm downloading it now.

At the risk of a trite summary, the broad issue at stake here may be whether we prefer


Pure, honest disclosure as we'd love it to be, sometime in the next 5-10 years, where right now the embedded lies haven't yet been told, and the public is so far quite unaware of anything.
Controlled, scripted disclosure, in a current, gradual intel-puppeteered process, with embedded lies, pretenses, and erased or rewritten history, where the public is planned to accept a version of the story that's not at all accurate; but they're told that UFOs are real, and the US military is working hard to understand them.

In other words, would we prefer the public to have


Nothing at all, or
A scripted, altered, much-diluted version of the reality.

[Intranuclear]

As to Bills questions ---^^^ above

I personally would look at history for examples.
I ask the question:
When was the last time in history, EVER, that there was honest disclosure of any major event?
My answer:
Never that I am aware of.
Examples:
WW1, WW2, Kennedy Assassination, Vietnam War, Civil War(s), many many genocides and the list is endless. Oh yeah, moon landing.
Even now, people discuss, accuse, deny, embellish, distort, rewrite and many other verbs.

Full disclosure cannot ever happen because for one thing, many many people from the time are simply gone and many records destroyed, distorted, amended, or incorrectly recorded.
Also, there is just too damn much information, and no human has the capability of digesting it all even if it were available and then form some unbiased opinion.
All people are biased in some way and limited in their ability to understand (yes, me included).

Take the Bible for example:
How many versions are needed to get God's WORD out?
People are having wars because of definition and interpretation.

Sadly, almost nothing I know of historical events is ever written in stone.

Here is a twist.
If time travel is allowed or exists, then what does history mean?
If direct time travel is not allowed and one can only create new timelines, it really becomes the same thing as direct time travel. Carrying information from one timeline to another distorts and contaminates that timeline also.

Sadly, history seems forever fluid.
No anchors and landmarks to clutch to. No islands that stay forever the same.

Here is another twist.
Catastrophic events will happen to us, whether another global war, or celestial event, ET intervention, massive earthquakes, massive volcanic eruptions and so on.
How does one even preserve much of anything when there is large scale destruction?

Yet another twist:
Future or current human caused genetic modification (not even talking about ETs doing it). Those changed will write their own history.

How long does humanity (as it is today) have?
10 years, 100 years, more?

I still believe in LOVE of ALL and that includes everything. Nothing else matters.
Without love, it is a hostile universe where it does not matter who controls anything.

[Tyy1907]

Here's the first episode, in the Avalon Library:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E01.mp4 (720p, 665 Mb)



And the second:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E02.mp4


Anyone else experiencing consistent one second pausing of the video?

[Ratszinger]

There may be multi levels to this "UFO" thing. I saw a UFO yesterday while out looking for a missing cat, "Goldie" who is normally all over me and insistent. He was let out the night before and normally would have been at the back door in the morning and if I wasn't there when he expected he'd come around and grab the screen on the porch where he knows I sit. None of this happened. We had heavy rain in the early morning all the way til ten am and I couldn't even get out to look for him or feed and care for the outdoor cats due to rain.

Well, come about noon the rain stopped and it began clearing and warming and I mean fast. I was starting to worry now because it's unusual for this one to be missing so I said a prayer, something I've been doing a lot lately because of my cancer. Another story, anyway, I saw what I thought at first was a Cottonwood tree flurry or fairy floating or blowing in the wind because it was still windy. I'm asking for help as I see this out of my periphery and then it turns against the wind so I knew instantly it wasn't any flurry but thought it must be some sort of insect right? I mean now its coming at me and I can see and its getting faster and somewhat bigger and looks solid and just as it gets to about fifteen or twenty feet to me it becomes apparent I'm seeing an orb and then it went right into me! I mean it went into me! I was there and dropped the bird seed I was using to feed the birds and then I hear this voice and it says, "He's in the trailer!" and I immediately know the cat is in my used Penske trailer. I bought the entire back end of a tractor trailer like truck box without the wheels and had it put back in the back of the yard years back for 900 bucks and it's not considered a permanent structure so no taxes!

Anyway again I open the back door like one you see on your lorries or trucks with the big back pull up door opening like a garage door. I call for Goldie and he is sure enough in there under our supply of paper goods hiding under the rack. Just in time too as it was getting hot and certainly hot enough to kill my cat had that not occurred. I took him in my arms and to the house and forgot about the seed completely until the wife saw it later and asked about it. Anyway an orb saved my cat's life yesterday just after a prayer and I'm still stunned and effected by it. I think it's rocked my world guys. My wife was in the trailer putting electric heaters away for the summer and I didn't even know about it.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the first episode, in the Avalon Library:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E01.mp4 (720p, 665 Mb)



And the second:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E02.mp4



Anyone else experiencing consistent one second pausing of the video?

It plays normally for me. :thumbsup: If I ever have trouble with a stop-start halting video, I always turn to VLC (probably the best video player: it'll handle anything).

Do maybe try that: if you don't have it, it's a free download here (https://www.videolan.org/vlc).

[Intranuclear]

Anyone else experiencing consistent one second pausing of the video?

If you mean somewhere in the middle, I think that was a cut.
But I did have one pause. Didn't seem like anything was missing.

[Star Tsar]

More from Rogue Planet...


Rogue Planet TV

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The Pattern Revealed

Published 16th June 2019

On this episode of the UFO podcast UNKNOWN, Jason McClellan recaps episode 3 of Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation—the new UFO show on History.

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[Cognitive Dissident]

For those of you who are interested but time limited: here is a Twitter thread from Joe Murgia (@ufojoe11 on Twitter- he’s worth following) in which he live-tweets Episode 3. Looks like helpful summary giving the main points and only takes a few minutes to read...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1139716342464929793.html

[Siphonemis]

There may be multi levels to this "UFO" thing. I saw a UFO yesterday while out looking for a missing cat, "Goldie" who is normally all over me and insistent. He was let out the night before and normally would have been at the back door in the morning and if I wasn't there when he expected he'd come around and grab the screen on the porch where he knows I sit. None of this happened. We had heavy rain in the early morning all the way til ten am and I couldn't even get out to look for him or feed and care for the outdoor cats due to rain.

Well, come about noon the rain stopped and it began clearing and warming and I mean fast. I was starting to worry now because it's unusual for this one to be missing so I said a prayer, something I've been doing a lot lately because of my cancer. Another story, anyway, I saw what I thought at first was a Cottonwood tree flurry or fairy floating or blowing in the wind because it was still windy. I'm asking for help as I see this out of my periphery and then it turns against the wind so I knew instantly it wasn't any flurry but thought it must be some sort of insect right? I mean now its coming at me and I can see and its getting faster and somewhat bigger and looks solid and just as it gets to about fifteen or twenty feet to me it becomes apparent I'm seeing an orb and then it went right into me! I mean it went into me! I was there and dropped the bird seed I was using to feed the birds and then I hear this voice and it says, "He's in the trailer!" and I immediately know the cat is in my used Penske trailer. I bought the entire back end of a tractor trailer like truck box without the wheels and had it put back in the back of the yard years back for 900 bucks and it's not considered a permanent structure so no taxes!

Anyway again I open the back door like one you see on your lorries or trucks with the big back pull up door opening like a garage door. I call for Goldie and he is sure enough in there under our supply of paper goods hiding under the rack. Just in time too as it was getting hot and certainly hot enough to kill my cat had that not occurred. I took him in my arms and to the house and forgot about the seed completely until the wife saw it later and asked about it. Anyway an orb saved my cat's life yesterday just after a prayer and I'm still stunned and effected by it. I think it's rocked my world guys. My wife was in the trailer putting electric heaters away for the summer and I didn't even know about it.

Hi Ratszinger, your remarkable story would be a great addition to the EXPERIENCERS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105066-EXPERIENCERS-Sharing-Exploring-and-Learning-Together) thread. :cheers: Ok, back to topic.

[Clear Light]

Oh, a quick search revealed no current links to Vimeo or DailyMotion for the latest episode but I did find a Torrent for it !

Here's a (7 day) WeTransfer link for Episode 4 : https://we.tl/t-LZHhqcJVqA

Or here's the Torrent Hash : 06F0ABCB0D2F7AF308488BC43AC3EA555ADB34CC

:thumbsup:

[Constance]

I still believe in LOVE of ALL and that includes everything. Nothing else matters.


No truer word has ever been uttered. Intranuclear, when we met, I was so surprised and delighted by your presence. And then you spoke and my heart shed glad tears over the sweetness of your soul. Thank you :heart:

[Ratszinger]

Nobody is taking action to find out what these things are or how they operate so one obvious conclusion is that the gov. isn't investigating because it's theirs! This stuff is our stuff from dark programs and these guys just aren't dialed in to that program. Far easier to believe that to me than aliens.

[Alx]

S01E04: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7bojyi

[Clear Light]

Oh, I wonder if this crude attempt at some light-hearted Humour is kind of what it's like, as a Politician, who is surely "stuck between a rock and a hard place" eh ? ;)

Vis-à-vis :


What they can say ?
What they actually know ?
What they're NOT allowed to say ?
What their NDAs forbid them from talking about ?
What they want to say ?
What they honestly believe ?


40900

[Intranuclear]

Not sure what episode 4 revealed. I did not hear anything remotely new except more frustration. Basically there are secret meetings or just evasiveness. Well, that has always been the case. At this rate, one could have several hundred episodes and still say nothing. The most meaningful bit that was revealed in episode 3 (not 4) was that there are two camps in the Pentagon, a group that wants this info out and a religious group that want nothing to do with it because these things are demons. Hopefully future episodes can shed more light on this issue.

[Clear Light]

Not sure what episode 4 revealed. I did not hear anything remotely new except more frustration. Basically there are secret meetings or just evasiveness. Well, that has always been the case. At this rate, one could have several hundred episodes and still say nothing. The most meaningful bit that was revealed in episode 3 (not 4) was that there are two camps in the Pentagon, a group that wants this info out and a religious group that want nothing to do with it because these things are demons. Hopefully future episodes can shed more light on this issue.

Ah, AFAIK, what this series actually seems to be about is making the woo-woo subject of "UFO"s more "Mainstream" (palatable) and by using respectable First Person POV's it hopes to give the subject matter a much better sense of Credibility in the General Public Consciousness ... but of course, as a TV Series, it's merely "scratching the surface" of a highly complex Phenomenon that no single person (or government) has ALL the answers to !!!

On the other hand, I'd say that when combined with the recently leaked Wilson documents, surely there is now a case for some more mainstream Investigative Journalists to "get their teeth into it" eh ?

:typing:

[Intranuclear]

Not sure what episode 4 revealed. I did not hear anything remotely new except more frustration. Basically there are secret meetings or just evasiveness. Well, that has always been the case. At this rate, one could have several hundred episodes and still say nothing. The most meaningful bit that was revealed in episode 3 (not 4) was that there are two camps in the Pentagon, a group that wants this info out and a religious group that want nothing to do with it because these things are demons. Hopefully future episodes can shed more light on this issue.

Ah, AFAIK, what this series actually seems to be about is making the woo-woo subject of "UFO"s more "Mainstream" (palatable) and by using respectable First Person POV's it hopes to give the subject matter a much better sense of Credibility in the General Public Consciousness ... but of course, as a TV Series, it's merely "scratching the surface" of a highly complex Phenomenon that no single person (or government) has ALL the answers to !!!

On the other hand, I'd say that when combined with the recently leaked Wilson documents, surely there is now a case for some more mainstream Investigative Journalists to "get their teeth into it" eh ?

:typing:

Could not agree more.
Hopefully the show matures quickly and takes into consideration the latest revelations else TTSA will lose even more credibility (not saying they have much now)

[AutumnW]

Hi,

I wonder if the next episode is available in the Avalon library yet?

[Clear Light]

Oh, I've no doubt a link to the latest episode will appear later today on either of Vimeo or DailyMotion but until it does, and if you can't wait LOL, it can now be downloaded (570Mb) from this WeTransfer link :

Unidentified Inside Americas UFO Investigation S01E05 (https://we.tl/t-zKTf8vxQGH)

OR

Here's the Torrent Hash : B70F69A699C42E92CF86E9185A27A00AB5266DE7

:highfive:

[Cognitive Dissident]

Here’s a live tweet commentary on Episode 5

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1144786851066044416.html

[Intranuclear]

EP 5 is painful to watch. Exactly ZERO new material.

Messages so far:
==========
1. It's a threat and nobody is doing anything.
2. There is a coverup.
3. We used to lie, but now we are telling the truth and we don't know what this is.
4. It's illegal to do covert ops on US citizens.
5. The disinfo campaign was spreading 80% false info and 20% real info but the UFO community does not know which is which.

Exactly where does disclosure fit here?

[amor]

The government has known how to build and fly these craft since before the 1950's when they offered Mr. Brown one dollar. or less, for his reinvention of the propulsion system of the UFO.

From what I have read here and there, there seems to be a training school for UFO pilots exiting under sea caves around Southern California and now we hear of the military "off limits" island off Mexico where I would say there is an undersea UFO base. These bases for UFO's may be operated by a collusion of governments of Earth as well as of those on the Moon, including the Nazi element. They would have to be linked to the Secret Space Program in whole or in part. There are also UFO's which they have not been able to open in their reverse engineering program, probably dug up from some archeological site. The UFO's are engineered to read the minds of their pilots and all other sentient life. According to reports I have read it seems clear the craft was reading the minds of those they intended to abduct as well as those merely observing them from the ground. The zig zag motion of the UFO, from the perspective of those on the ground, is only the relative motion of the craft in relation to the planet while executing angles of motion which enable them to escape Earth's gravity. There are Alien undersea bases everywhere but especially off Puerto Rico, Bermuda, throughout the Caribbean, etc. I have put together this information from the last ten years on the internet and related reading. It is CLEAR that the SECRET ARM OF SPACE RESEARCH, ETC., in the US Government has been deliberately keeping the rest of the government and military OUT OF KNOWLEDGE AND IT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME THE USA AND RUSSIA ARE ONE! If it were not so, how could Rockefeller FIRE CRUSCHEV at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis?

In the video, a swarm of UFO's disappear into a hole in the sky. I would say this was an inter-dimentional exit consisting of a corkscrew shape, thus obstructing the straight line pathway of light. In other words, the crafts were making a JUMP.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi,

I wonder if the next episode is available in the Avalon library yet?

Yes, episodes 4 and 5, here: :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E04.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E05.mp4

[AutumnW]

Hi,

I wonder if the next episode is available in the Avalon library yet?

Yes, episodes 4 and 5, here: :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E04.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E05.mp4


Thanks Bill. You rock...truly!:highfive:

[boja]

Has anybody got the final Episode yet ?

That's supposedly the one in which we are told about the Italian helicopter being "shot down".

[Clear Light]

From the DailyMotion website : Unidentified - Inside Americas UFO Investigation S01E06 - The Revelation (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7cn15z)


The investigation uncovers shocking video evidence, patterns, secret coordinates and jarring eyewitness testimonies about UFOs. The team follows a lead to an allied European country to probe a case where a UFO allegedly shot down a helicopter, and more.

[Intranuclear]

My thoughts so far after EP 6.
So they went to Italy and got a thumb drive of 13,000 cases since 1901.
The Italians said that they wanted something of equal value for that info, yet the video did not show what TTSA "paid".
A naive assumption is that TTSA is "tasked" to go around the world and collect everything everyone else knows, kind of like open spying, before US "releases" what they know.
But that does not make much sense.
In fact, nothing makes sense as TTSA (Louis specifically) refuses to say anything of value.
So, no disclosure, nothing, not even possible threat.

At this point Unidentified is a miserable failure in every single way.

1. They have not demonstrated threat, so they cannot possibly "mobilize" Congress "to do something about it".
2. They have not shown other-worldliness, in fact their estimates of number of galaxies and and other numbers are from the 1950s (the latest numbers of observable galaxies is now 2 trillion and not 100 billion)
3. They have not even attempted to uncover or even talk about dark projects, such as reverse engineering.
4. They have not even talked about abduction, because that can easily be used to push the idiotic "threat" agenda.
5. They say that they have eliminated the stigma of talking about UFOs, but clearly that is bull especially after Trump ridiculing the UFO belief (last night).

They are I think succeeding in pushing this topic even more underground.

BTW, saying something is a psyop is terribly unhelpful as that is a duh!!!
Some questions are:
1. What is their agenda?
2. Why are they shooting themselves in the heart (not even foot)?
3. Why are they turning the UFO community even more against them (TTSA)?
4. Without showing any real footage of what must be countless verified videos, how could they even get the kids to get excited about the issue?

[Bill Ryan]

BTW, saying something is a psyop is terribly unhelpful as that is a duh!!!
Some questions are:
1. What is their agenda?
2. Why are they shooting themselves in the heart (not even foot)?
3. Why are they turning the UFO community even more against them (TTSA)?
4. Without showing any real footage of what must be countless verified videos, how could they even get the kids to get excited about the issue?

Good questions. :) My best guesses:

1) To plant the meme that UFOs/ETs are a threat. If that's promoted and believed by the global public, then that justifies and strengthens the rationale for a one-world NWO government. (Just as Reagan said.)

2 and 3) They may not be... their target isn't the UFO community. It's the uninformed public. Their strategic gamble is that the UFO community will continue to be ignored or sidelined by the mainstream.

4) It's propaganda: they're sowing seeds (that UFOs may be hostile) that they simply hope will take root.

[James]

I think Bill’s point 2 and 3 are key to understanding this.

Geopolitical and international business decisions aren’t made with the outliers in mind. Outliers, or the edges of the bell curve, are consistent and strong in their beliefs. They aren’t swayed easily, and take up relatively little space, like a couple old tree stumps the river sweeps past. They’re the doomsday crier with the same message on the corner of Fulton and Division that traffic passes by each day.

The river can be directed and changed because it’s always in motion. Looking, searching, consuming, waiting for direction and the new en vogue.

War is won typically by the group on the higher ground, and what ground could be higher than space? Once the technology is right, and the river high and ready, a couple small dams need breaking and the river will rush in the new direction, passing through the old stumps like nothing.

It’s an appeal to ready the waters, build the tension, so that when the dams are set to be fractured, the water will fill and flood the correct fields.

[Intranuclear]

The threat agenda is not really stretch, since one can easily argue that anything one does not know and understand is or can be a threat. That's easily demonstrated.
Walking underneath a UFO with its engines operational, is most certainly dangerous as it is pushing light into the UV and higher spectrum so one can easily get radiation poisoning.
I mean, walking under an operation rocket or behind a jet engine is certainly fatal.
A plane too close to a UFO will get its electronics scrambled and that cannot possibly be good.
I mean one can easily demonstrate threat for everything, guns, religions, kitchen knives, paper clips, sugar, etc... so well, everything can easily become a threat.
Mobilizing people against super advanced entities (aliens or time travelers) cannot possibly be healthy as if they wanted us simply gone, they would not even need to use a single bullet, they can just direct one of the trillions of rocks or comets at the earth.

I guess at this point I don't even know who their audience is.
If you subtract the UFO community from their viewership, not sure what is left.

UFOs have demonstrably been around since at least the dawn of recorded history so the argument of whether this is some other countries advanced tech is laughably stupid.
If you throw in time travel devices, then clearly the threat is NOT UFOs but time machines, so what now? We declare war against time? Kill all scientists who talk about building time machines?

How does it help them if everyone is threatened?
Yes, people can be temporarily coerced into believing that another group is representing evil and we mobilize against them, but has that ever in recorded history resulted in anything but endless war?
How does making enemies by killing people and making every survivor dedicate their lives on taking revenge help anyone?

So assuming that TTSA is composed of people who have above single digit IQ, what is their ultimate goal of pushing the threat agenda?

The uninformed people are still informed as there have been countless movies and TV shows and video games and millions of books discussing the topic of ETs (and everything else).

I just don't quite see how the threat agenda is getting them anything useful except perhaps getting people to openly compete for these technologies in a collective sense.
Maybe by showing that chemical rockets and missiles and satellite weapons and nuclear and biological weapons are no match for craft that can pop in and out of reality will allow the revelation of the black budgeted, reversed engineered craft.

The rumor is that US is finally ready to put up a fight against these craft and so is this the agenda? To allow the revelation of reversed engineered tech without having to worry about disclosure?
That makes some sense and will work for a time.

[AutumnW]

The Pentagon would have given Unidentified the go ahead behind the scenes. They want this information out there, obviously. It's such a no-brainer.

TTSA members may be naive enough to think they are true whistle blowers, taking a chance by coming forward. Who knows? Seems a bit ludicrous, but they may feel that compartmentalization is so complete and such an impediment to free flow of information within the chain of command, that it was necessary.

We can't know what members of TTSA think or how they think nor their intent. My personal bias is that some of the members are sincere in what they are saying.

Btw, who owns the history channel? Fox channel?

As far as globalization goes, I agree that this show represents a massive power grab, by the military and its contractors. Who really controls the world, is it the U.S, or Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, etc..? Or..are they now one and the same? I feel we have had unilateral globalization under the U.S and the U.S is losing power to China right now. Disclosure is part of a vast movement to defeat the new 'enemy.'

[Intranuclear]

The Pentagon would have given Unidentified the go ahead behind the scenes. They want this information out there, obviously. It's such a no-brainer.

TTSA members may be naive enough to think they are true whistle blowers, taking a chance by coming forward. Who knows? Seems a bit ludicrous, but they may feel that compartmentalization is so complete and such an impediment to free flow of information within the chain of command, that it was necessary.

We can't know what members of TTSA think or how they think nor their intent. My personal bias is that some of the members are sincere in what they are saying.

Btw, who owns the history channel? Fox channel?

As far as globalization goes, I agree that this show represents a massive power grab, by the military and its contractors. Who really controls the world, is it the U.S, or Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, etc..? Or..are they now one and the same? I feel we have had unilateral globalization under the U.S and the U.S is losing power to China right now. Disclosure is part of a vast movement to defeat the new 'enemy.'

As far as the History channel (from Google search): History (originally The History Channel from 1995 to 2008) is a history-based pay television network that is owned by A&E Networks, a joint venture between Hearst Communications and the Disney Media Networks division of the Walt Disney Company.

You are right, it is not easy to know the mind of so many with different agendas, with power plays within power plays, but it can be fun to speculate, to find something that makes sense but not foolish enough to believe in any conclusion.

Some people say "time will tell", but I have never seen historical evidence of this cliche, as anything important is always forever speculated upon. It is clearly easier to mind one's own business and ignore it all, except that learning about the universe is fun and I hate it when it gets muddied by those who think that they are the only ones worthy of knowledge.

[Bill Ryan]

Episode 6, now in the Library:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Unidentified/Unidentified_S01E06.mp4

[silvanelf]

Professor Simon Holland is NOT a professor, it's just a nickname.


The story of how the US Navy have developed quantum vacuum propulsion. This film proves the link between the 'tictac' UFO, a Navy antigravity patent, re-opening military UFO logs and the briefing of US congressmen on 'the propulsion gap' .

Prof Simon pulls it all together in this interesting short film.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lml2D4eHbQ

[Star Tsar]

Final in series


Rogue Planet TV

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The Atomic Connection

Published 14th July 2019

On this episode of the UFO podcast UNKNOWN, Jason McClellan, Maureen Elsberry, Ryan Sprague, and Shane Hurd recap the final two episode of Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation. The team also discusses the series overall. Jason also talks about his experience at the Roswell UFO Festival.

Sftn_djdmds

[boja]

https://www.history.co.uk/shows/unidentified

TTSA's show "UNIDENTIFIED" starts in UK on HISTORY CHannel (Sky 130).
(Link above)

Se 01, Ep 01 scheduled for 21.00 Hrs (9.00pm) British Summer Time, on Mon 26 AUG 2019
(That's AUG Bank Holiday Monday in UK).

Remains to be seen if the show gets the same "mainstream" news coverage that it got in US.
As per CNN, FOX NEWS, TUCKER CARLSON etc.

We would hope so because a very small percentage of people here in UK normally watch the HISTORY CHannel regularly.

[boja]

So "UNIDENTIFIED", the series, begins here in UK in 3 days time.

NO MAINSTREAM MEDIA COVERAGE (Unless somebody can prove me wrong).

It's due to start on Bank Holiday Monday (26 Aug 2019), - so a large percentage of the public are away, or at the very least are in "holiday mode".

As previously stated, only a very small percentage of the public here watch the History Channel regularly.

99.9% of the public here COULDN'T CARE LESS about UFOs anyway, and still WONT BELIEVE IT even if you prove it to them.

I hope I'm wrong, but this seems doomed to be a "NON EVENT" here.

[boja]

Unfortunately I was correct.

TTSA's "Unidentified" series started here in UK on 26 Aug 2019 on History Channel and has now shown 4 episodes.

It would appear that over here THEY'RE WASTING THEIR TIME

Outside of us folks in the "UFO Community", I haven't come across anybody who has watched it !

No mainstream media coverage doesn't help.

It might just as well be cancelled due to lack of interest.

Anybody who talks about UFOs here is regarded as CRAZY !

THERE IS TOTAL APATHY HERE ! -- FACT

[Satori]

The US government "admits" UFOs are real. From FOX News:

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ufo-videos-real-navy-acknowledges

[onawah]

The Pentagon Corrects Record on “Secret UFO Program”
12/10/19
By John Greenewald, Jr. – The Black Vault – Originally Published December 6, 2019
https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/the-pentagon-corrects-record-on-secret-ufo-program/

"The Pentagon has recently opened up to The Black Vault about the rumored “secret UFO Program,” known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program or AATIP.

On December 16, 2017, news of this obscure program was first announced by the NY Times and Politico. Both media outlets reported that UFOs- now being referred to as “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” or UAPs to reduce the stigma surrounding the topic – were the direct focus of this program. However, the Pentagon now seems to have changed their stance.

Claiming they want to correct the record and clear up some inaccuracies, the Pentagon now says AATIP was not a UFO or UAP program.

“Neither AATIP nor AAWSAP were UAP related,” said Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough in an e-mail to The Black Vault. “The purpose of AATIP was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapons system applications with future technology projections over the next 40 years, and to create a center of expertise on advanced aerospace technologies.”

Since 2017, details have been scarce. However, the DoD’s latest position that AATIP wasn’t a UFO program, seems to represent one of their most dramatic about-faces on the issue since the program was first revealed.

The “AAWSAP” Gough refers to is the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program; a contract posted publicly by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) asking for bids from the private sector on August 18, 2008. By the due date of September 5, only one bidder had submitted a proposal, and that was Bigelow Aerospace’s subsidiary known as Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies or BAASS. They were awarded the contract, and according to the NY Times, operated with a $22 million budget.

Original bid solicitation notice posted for the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program.
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(Note: The Black Vault has not been able to independently verify that budget amount.)

Many researchers, bloggers and journalists within the mainstream media have often confused AATIP and AAWSAP along with the missions of both programs. For example, an anonymous letter by someone claiming to be involved in the project was published by KLAS-TV, and it alleged AAWSAP was studying poltergeists along with other paranormal activity. Another example is a blogger attempting to create a cohesive timeline of the programs, but often confuses dates, facts and figures that have already been established and documented. According to the latest from The Pentagon, none of that is the case as, “[AATIP] was the name of the overall program. [AAWSAP] was the name of the contract that DIA awarded for the production of technical reports under AATIP.”

The titles of those “technical reports” referenced by the Pentagon were released via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to The Black Vault on January 16, 2019; which consisted of a list of thirty-eight documents created under the AATIP program. Mysteriously absent from the topics covered by the Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs) was anything directly referencing UFOs or UAPs.

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Cover page of Defense Intelligence Reference Document (DIRD) report entitled, “Warp Drive, Dark Energy, and the Manipulation of Extra Dimensions.

Topics did include some wildly speculative science, ranging from warp drives to invisibility cloaking. However, there was nothing about unidentified objects flying in the sky or captured on video. Some researchers have theorized this list of research topics was simply an exploration on how UFOs may work or how an alien civilization might traverse the cosmos in order to visit Earth. Conversely, some have remained skeptical, and felt this list may be proof that AATIP (and/or AAWSAP) had nothing to do with UFOs, and only focused on pseudoscience.

The skeptics appeared to be proven wrong, when on May 22, 2019, the NY Post ran the headline, “The Pentagon finally admits it investigates UFOs.” At the time this article was published, investigative journalist Steven Greenstreet with the NY Post had received word from the Pentagon through spokesperson Christopher Sherwood that AATIP, “…did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena.”

Understandably, the story then went viral.

However, roughly seven months later, the Pentagon’s stance seems to have changed. Although the statement that was given to the NY Post was accurately reported; the Pentagon now states it was not entirely fact-based.

When asked about the discrepancy, “At the time, Mr. Sherwood was repeating the information that had been provided by a previous spokesperson some two years earlier,” said Gough. “That previous spokesperson is no longer with my organization, and I cannot comment on why that person’s explanation of AATIP included that it had looked at anomalous events. According to all the official information I have now, when implemented, AATIP did not pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena; that was not part of the technical studies nor the reports produced by the program.”

The Black Vault reached out to Greenstreet and the New York Post but they did not respond for comment.


Luis Elizondo, Director of Government Programs and Services, To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science.

The Pentagon’s new stance conflicts with former Department of Defense (DOD) employee, Luis Elizondo. According to Elizondo he was the director of AATIP, and since coming forward in October of 2017, he’s consistantly maintained AATIP did research UFOs / UAPs. “AATIP itself spent its entire time on UFOs,” said Elizondo in March of 2019 at the first annual Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena (AAP) conference put on by the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU). “AATIP was a 100% UFO program, period. It was not looking at airplanes.”

In an already confusing saga,the Pentagon continues to deny Elizondo’s role and participation in the AATIP. According to Gough, Elizondo was, “not the director of the AATIP,” and reiterated he had “no assigned responsibilities” within the program.

Currently, Elizondo serves as the Director of Government Programs and Services for To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA), a “public benefit” corporation led by rock star Tom DeLonge, and stars in a History channel series called Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation.

In the past, Elizondo has addressed the hierarchy of the AATIP and AAWSAP programs. “It would be disingenuous for me to simply say, well, AATIP is really AAWSAP. Well, it evolved from AAWSAP but it is not AAWSAP,” Elizondo said during an annual Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) conference in July of 2018. “And I think the documentation that is beginning to come out into the public forum, people are beginning to realize that,”Elizondo told the crowd of UFO enthusiasts.

Elizondo did not return a request for comment from The Black Vault.

Although the Pentagon’s change to a previous statement may concern and frustrate a segment of the general public excited about recent UFO developments; hope is not entirely lost. The Pentagon maintains, as of the writing of this article, that the U.S. Navy continues to investigate UAPs, and the three videos that have surfaced in the past two years that have garnered worldwide attention, are still considered UAPs. So the Pentagon hasn’t tried to change or close the door on the whole UFO topic, something should still encourage enthusiasts of the UFO subject."
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