"The UFO Leak of the Century": The Admiral Thomas Wilson/Eric Davis document

[sunwings]

The meeting notes between Dr. Eric Davis and Admiral Thomas Wilson appears to have been found! These are believed to be the documents long-teased by Grant Cameron.

The notes can be read here. https://ufoscoop.com/

Vice Admiral Thomas Ray Wilson USN was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency from July 1999 to July 2002. In these notes he discusses crash retrievals and his difficulties in getting access to certain Special Acces Projects.

I am not an expert on the names which appear but there are many sentences which raise a few eyebrows.

[ichingcarpenter]

To sum up.

The US has a craft in their possession that was not made on earth

They have had it for some time but can't make any progress on reversing the technology or making it work for us

The program and the people involved in dealing with this technology are 'contractors' and Adm. Wilson found nobody he recognized within the govt be it Congress, the executive branch nor military that had access

Adm Wilson did not have a need to know nor clearance to get to the depths of this revelation ........... now look at his resume

Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson, USN was the 13th Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Other flag rank assignments included Director of Intelligence (J2), The Joint Staff; Associate Director of Central Intelligence for Military Support, Central Intelligence Agency; Vice Director of Intelligence, The Joint Staff; and Director of Intelligence, United States Atlantic Command. Vice Admiral is 3 star.


Important UFO news because this is a real insider ......... hear that David Wilnot? ....... a real insider not a poser.

[Intranuclear]

In case the PDF disappears it should be in the Avalon library.
Although I downloaded it, I can't attach it here due to PDF size limitation of 2.86MB.
The file size is 9.6MB

Looks like Richard Dolan is giving an interview talking about this document:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97768-Richard-Dolan-s-Radio-Shows-and-Interviews&p=1296001&viewfull=1#post1296001

[sunwings]

Richard Dolan just called it the leak of the century. Not had time to listen to it yet, but I am sure it will be interesting.

Dk7wWp7iL60

[Patient]

? Why is Richard Dolan completely accepting this doc as being authentic? Because there are a lot if names within it?

I need to put it out there when I get a strong feeling about something, and this has me a bit unsettled because it does not feel right.

Hey - cool if I am wrong and this is "all good" and helps with disclosure in a big way. But I have never gotten this feeling from watching any of his other videos.

[Clear Light]

? Why is Richard Dolan completely accepting this doc as being authentic? Because there are a lot if names within it?

I need to put it out there when I get a strong feeling about something, and this has me a bit unsettled because it does not feel right.

Hey - cool if I am wrong and this is "all good" and helps with disclosure in a big way. But I have never gotten this feeling from watching any of his other videos.

Ah, yes, that's my "feeling" too, because before I "jump" to any conclusions, it's imperative to ascertain the "provenance" of these Documents eh ?

Now, apparently both the men in question are still alive ...


This was fantastic UFO news, just released at an anonymous source online (https://t.co/Cszn0vOowS). The document, a transcript of a conversation between Admiral Thomas Wilson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_R._Wilson) (still living) and Astrophysicist Eric Davis (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric_Davis6) (still living), states explicitly that Admiral Wilson was told that a Special Access Program (SAP) has in their possession an ALIEN VEHICLE NOT MADE ON THIS EARTH.

Never has such a high-level source come out in public to confirm the United States is in possession of at least one of these alien craft (saucer, UFO, UAP, Unidentified Flying Object).

The images of the files are below, unredacted and with notes from the encounter.

It is not known whether Admiral Wilson or Eric Davis has confirmed the details of this meeting or not. With the level of detail shown in the document, confirmation is probably not all that necessary for most of us to believe in the authenticity of the document. Many new names have surfaced in this document which will prove helpful as investigators start asking the difficult questions.

From : https://ufoscoop.com/

[Star Tsar]

? Why is Richard Dolan completely accepting this doc as being authentic? Because there are a lot if names within it?

I need to put it out there when I get a strong feeling about something, and this has me a bit unsettled because it does not feel right.

Hey - cool if I am wrong and this is "all good" and helps with disclosure in a big way. But I have never gotten this feeling from watching any of his other videos.

I saw it during the week, was gonna post about it, for some reason it did not happen...

:shielddeflect:

[Did You See Them]

More to deny - just what are they planning on rolling out ?
This is all going somewhere !

[Cognitive Dissident]

Just gotta say - I’m watching Dolan’s video on this now - its a real doozy.

Dolan is going all in on the authenticity of the document which is not usually his style.

The summary of the document is as given by ichingcarpenter above, many thanks for that.

The bombshell is the official confirmation of the information as much as the information itself.

Taken together with everything else going on right now, I’d say we are entering some very interesting times.

[mgray]

In his video, Dolan says he knew of these documents for some time. Little unclear if he saw them 12 years ago or just knew of their existence.

[Did You See Them]

Also worthy of note is that the craft that they have had in their possession for a "very long time" is that they "believe could fly" ( space/air/water/dimensions ) !

This does not seem like they are reffering to the Roswell wreckage - which they new "could fly" , but to something even older !

[Clear Light]

In his video, Dolan says he knew of these documents for some time. Little unclear if he saw them 12 years ago or just knew of their existence.

Ah, in looking at the apparent original Reddit post of these latest leaked documents (here (https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/bf0e2r/leak/)) I read this comment from TapRackBangUSMC :


Richard Dolan: You must listen to this recording. This connects with the documents above. Hit play around the 2hr 15 min mark.

Which links to this F2B video Ep. 968 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Richard Dolan : 5th Ann Special : LIVE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjDXDx7Qj78)

And, it gets very interesting and very relevant to this thread, if as suggested you start to listen from around 2:15:00 (for approximately 10 minutes) eh ? ;)

[Clear Light]

From Avalon thread : Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed CEO Admitted In His Deathbed Confes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5407-Extraterrestrial-UFO-Are-Real-Ben-Rich-Lockheed-CEO-Admitted-In-His-Deathbed-Confes&p=49728) (September 2010)

I'd say the final three paragraphs of this quote are pretty relevant here eh ?


Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed CEO Admitted In His Deathbed Confession
August 31, 2010

Lockheed Skunk Works CEO Admitted In His Deathbed Confession
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html

Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works CEO had admitted in his Deathbed Confession that Extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and the U.S. Military travel among stars.

According to article published in May 2010 issue of the Mufon UFO Journal [Link] - Ben Rich, the “Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber” and former head of Lockheed Skunk Works,had once let out information about Extraterrestrial UFO Visitors Are Real And U.S. Military Travel To Stars [

What he said might be new to many people today, but he revealed the information before his death in January 1995. His statements helped to give credence to reports that the U.S. military has been flying vehicles that mimic alien craft.

The article was written by Tom Keller, an aerospace engineer who has worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

1 : “Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed’s secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions.”

2 : “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

3 : “We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”

4 : When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, “Let me ask you. How does ESP work?” The questioner responded with, “All points in time and space are connected?” Rich then said, “That’s how it works!”

Ben Rich Lockheed Former CEO knew of extraterrestrial UFO visitors

Lockheed "Skunk Works" former CEO knew the Roswell extraterrestrial UFO influenced designs of Testor model kits for Roswell UFO models, and U.S. top secret aircraft. According to a CNI News report by Colorado resident Michael Lindemann, the design information was derived from forensic illustrations and numerous witness testimonies about the Roswell UFO, provided by William L. “Bill” McDonald.

In an e-mail, dated July 29, 1999, apparently addressed to Lindemann, McDonald referenced an excerpt of a discussion with Harold Puthoff, founder of the highly classified U.S. “remote viewing” program.

McDonald said: “Well Hal, you asked for it! Now that legendary Lockheed engineer and chief model kit designer for the Testor Corporation, John Andrews, is dead, I can announce that he personally confirmed the design connection between the Roswell Spacecraft and the Lockheed Martin Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs), spyplanes, Joint Strike Fighters, and Space Shuttles.

Andrews was a close personal friend of "Skunk Works" CEO Ben Rich -- the hand-picked successor of Skunk Works founder Kelly Johnson and the man famous for the F-117 Nighthawk "Stealth" fighter, its "half-pint" prototype the "HAVE BLUE", and the top-secret F-19 Stealth Interceptor. Before Rich died of cancer, Andrews took my questions to him.

Dr. Ben R. Rich former Lockheed Skunk Works CEO confirmed:

1. There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me-downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector…

2. Nearly all "biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft -- from Kelly's SR-71 Blackbird onward to today's drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft…

3. It was Ben Rich's opinion that the public should not be told [about UFOs and extraterrestrials] . He believed they could not handle the truth -- ever. Only in the last months of his decline did he begin to feel that the "international corporate board of directors" dealing with the "Subject" could represent a bigger problem to citizens' personal freedoms under the United States Constitution than the presence of off-world visitors themselves.”

Lindemann added that “Bill McDonald received the above information from Andrews from 1994 until their last phone call near Christmas in 1998.” Lindemann also noted “It should also be known that Dr. Ben R. Rich attended a public aerospace designers and engineers conference in 1993 before his illness overwhelmed him in which he stated -- in the presence of MUFON Orange County Section Director Jan Harzan and many others that – ‘We’ (i.e., the U.S. aerospace community/military industrial complex) had in it's possession the technology to "take us to the stars".

See the complete letter in May, 2010 MUFON UFO Journal from John Andrews and the hand written reply from Dr. Ben Rich. Hear more revealing testimony from Disclosure Project whistleblowers. NASA can not deny secrets discovered by UK hacker Gary McKinnon and many astronauts if it expects full funding from the Obama White House administration.

UFOs were huge and they would just come to a stop and do a 60 degree, 45 degree, 10 degree turn, and then immediately reverse this action". During the Apollo landing, Neil Armstrong says, "They're here.They are right over there and looking at the size of those ships., it is obvious they dont like us being here”. When I was working with the Skunkworks with Kelly Johnson, we signed an agreement with the government to keep very quiet about this.

Anti-gravitational research was going on. We know that there were some captured craft from 1947 in Roswell, they were real. And, yes, we really did get some technology from them. And, yes, we really did put it to work. We knew each other from what we call an unseen industry. We can term it black, deep black, or hidden.

The knowledge I have of these technologies came from the craft that were captured here. I didn`t see the craft, nor did I see the bodies, but I certainly know some of the people that did. There was no question that there were beings from outside the planet.

Are these ET people hostile? Well, if they were hostile, with their weaponry they could have destroyed us a long time ago .We got these things that are handhold scanners that scan the body and determine what the condition is. We can also treat from the same scanner.

I can tell you personally that we've been working on them. And we have ones that can diagnose and cure cancer. One of the purposes I had for founding my technology corporation in 1998 was to bring forth these technologies that can clean the air and can help get rid of the toxins, and help reduce the need for so much fossil fuel. Yes, it is time. I can tell you personally that it has already started. pp. 375 ,383.

Another Lockheed Martin senior research scientist Boyd Bushman : Extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real

In the past we had posted about UFOs landing in front of former U.S. President Eisenhower at Holloman Air force Base and how US State representative confirms that US President Eisenhower met Aliens .

We had also been reported about Eisenhower`s great granddaughter`s claim too, in which she has exposed her attempted recruitment into a secret Mars colony project.

In recent confessions from UK, France, China Admitted that UFO are real and of ET origin

And NASA in its own continuous disclosure style informed the word that they had found few more New Earth sized planets.

All above incidents and individuals testimony clearly showed that "We Are Not Alone, Never Were Actually"

Update : Hour back we have received the email, according to which "Johan Andrews had sent a Letter to Ben Rich regarding his belief in "Manmade UFOs" and "Extraterrestrial UFOs." on July 10, 1986

"I believe with certainty in manmade UFOs. I am tending to believe there are also extraterrestrial UFOs."--John Andrews

Johan Andrews claimed that above document was hand written by Ben Rich Lockheed CEO according to it "Yes, I'm a believer in both categories." -Ben Rich July 21, 1986 source

Andrews relayed Rich’s responses to questions from UFO investigator William McDonald which confirmed:
There are two types of UFOs:
the ones we build
ones THEY build
We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "Hand-me-downs."The Government knew, and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "Purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector.

Former astronaut, Dr Edgar Mitchell recently confirmed an incident in 1997 where the Head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff was supplied the code names of UFO related projects, but was denied need-to-access. The first to report the incident was UFO researcher, Dr Steven Greer, who in 2001 revealed that Admiral Wilson was furious over his failure to gain access.

On a July 4, 2008 CNN interview, Dr Mitchell confirmed Greer’s version of events when he said that Admiral Wilson,“had found the people responsible for the cover-up and for the people who were in the know and were told, I'm sorry, admiral, you do not have need to know here and so, goodbye.”

A reliable source furthermore revealed to UFO researcher Richard Dolan that Admiral Wilson was frustrated by attorneys of a corporation that denied him access. I interviewed an active duty U.S. Navy officer in October 2008 who confirmed the powerful role of corporations involved in UFO projects.

:sherlock:

[Clear Light]

From Avalon thread : Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed CEO Admitted In His Deathbed Confes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5407-Extraterrestrial-UFO-Are-Real-Ben-Rich-Lockheed-CEO-Admitted-In-His-Deathbed-Confes&p=49728) (September 2010)

[/snip]


4 : When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, “Let me ask you. How does ESP work?” The questioner responded with, “All points in time and space are connected?” Rich then said, “That’s how it works!”

:sherlock:

Ah, not to "derail" this thread, but as far as I am concerned, because there is NO separation between Mind / Consciousness / Awareness with Space / Universe (unless you're still "locked" into the soon-to-be Superseded Paradigm of an (apparent) Objective External Universe), it makes perfect sense, I'd suggest, IMHO, that IN SOME WAY Consciousness is the Mechanism by which such "Travel" is accomplished !!!

Now clearly this is just an opinion at the end of the day because I can't as yet buy a "Spaceship" from Amazon or eBay to give us all a "working demonstration" eh ? LOL :ROFL:

[Soullight]

Dk7wWp7iL60

Document Discussed: https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ

[Soullight]

Not saying the document (https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ) is a lie or that Dolan is "in on anything". But I'm pretty sure this is all somehow related to the upcoming MAJOR FALSE DISCLOSURE.

Just like the recent History channel show Unidentified (https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation) and To the Stars (https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/) both of which aren't being disclosed because the "Government Insiders" care about the rest of us and want the truth out there. And if by chance they (who could only be a faction within our Government trying to fight the "Illuminati") were actually trying to do what is right, there are so many red flags with what they allow out, their narrative, etc, that it is beyond worrisome. Not the least being virtually no chance to succeed with how they are going about things.

I was also triggered by a recent statement (http://www.truthandaction.org/putin-accuses-pope-francis-of-not-worshiping-the-god-of-the-bible/) by Putin about the Pope. And in that article the Pope says things like the following which IMO shows a collaborative Illuminati plan to herald in some anti-Christ savior probably hand-in-hand with the false disclosure.

“a new political authority” is needed to “save the world from unprecedented destruction”

https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation

https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com

http://www.truthandaction.org/putin-accuses-pope-francis-of-not-worshiping-the-god-of-the-bible

[mojo]

Question for consideration. How would POTUS get this information? Trump has been the most transparent President in my lifetime and would he disclose UFOs to the normies?

[ndroock1]

Documents?! What a joke. Raw material to keep the 'UFO entertainment industry' ( conferences, talk shows, documentaries ) going, nothing more. Richard Dolan has his bookings covered.

[Hervé]

I merged the thread "The UFO Leak of the Century" with this pre-existing one and deleted 3 posts commenting on the merging of threads as well as modifying this current thread's title.

[Clear Light]

AjDXDx7Qj78

Ep. 968 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Richard Dolan : 5th Ann Special : LIVE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjDXDx7Qj78)(December 2018)

My transcript from 2:22:18 :


"And I contacted him [Wilson], I was able to find him and I pretended that I was just a regular conventional historian of the US Navy ... LOL ... and that I'd learned about his career and I wanted to talk to him and he allowed me to call him ... and shortly into the phone call I had to say look I'm really calling because I'm a historian of the ufo phenomena and your name came up in a conversation ... That got his attention.

I told him essentially about the story, the whole meeting with Greer and Edgar Mitchell ... he was really funny because he'd gone from this genial like relaxing in his big chair, saying yeah let's have a nice long conversation to an ultra high pitched voice and he was very angry and kept saying my memory is foggy my memory is foggy ... and then said all of that was poppycock, he said yes I did meet with them but everything else is poppycock, was his word ... so I knew I got to him and then he hung up, he ended abruptly the conversation.

So I feel like that document that I was shown, I'm inclined to believe it, I think it was probably true, I think it got to Wilson

Wouldn't it be great if Richard has a recording of this conversation ? :phone:

[gord]

The last couple of minutes about lies in the "The UFO Leak Of The Century" video are powerful.

[Forest Denizen]

Not saying the document (https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ) is a lie or that Dolan is "in on anything". But I'm pretty sure this is all somehow related to the upcoming MAJOR FALSE DISCLOSURE.

Just like the recent History channel show Unidentified (https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation) and To the Stars (https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/) both of which aren't being disclosed because the "Government Insiders" care about the rest of us and want the truth out there. And if by chance they (who could only be a faction within our Government trying to fight the "Illuminati") were actually trying to do what is right, there are so many red flags with what they allow out, their narrative, etc, that it is beyond worrisome. Not the least being virtually no chance to succeed with how they are going about things....

Soullight, I'm with you here. I have found the show Unidentified (https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation) highly disturbing.

It seemed obvious that the show is a sanctioned release of "information" for the uneducated (in human/ufo/e.t./extra-dimensional history) masses watching television, AND, I had the very unsettling sense that this could all be presaging some sort of false flag aliens attack sort of scenario.. something I would have poopooed until recently..

[boja]

MUCH MORE HERE :-
http://omnitalkradio.weebly.com/pent...WcatyJV0iRjrcA

THE PENTAGON 1997 UFO BRIEFING

Compiled by Giuliano Marinkovic
Special thanks to
​​Grant Cameron, Richard Dolan, Billy Cox, Bozidar Kemic, Dave Haith
with Danny Silva, Joe Murgia, Chris Wolford and James Landoli
​Created by Giuliano Marinkovic on 2019-04-21

http://omnitalkradio.weebly.com/uploads/1/0/8/4/108471077/panorama-briefing_orig.jpg



MUCH MORE HERE :-
http://omnitalkradio.weebly.com/pentagon-ufo-briefing.html?fbclid=IwAR2JA4Dx3JJ-LhgbAiLjJcmMCMMhKXF0_TsA06Vw4xh49WcatyJV0iRjrcA

THE PENTAGON 1997 UFO BRIEFING

Compiled by Giuliano Marinkovic
Special thanks to
​​Grant Cameron, Richard Dolan, Billy Cox, Bozidar Kemic, Dave Haith
with Danny Silva, Joe Murgia, Chris Wolford and James Landoli
​Created by Giuliano Marinkovic on 2019-04-21

Introduction:

Back in 2008, journalist Billy Cox, Grant Cameron and me were working on an important media story. We were researching allegations that in April 1997 then Rear Admiral J-2 Deputy - Thomas Ray Wilson - (promoted in 1999 to Vice Admiral) met in Pentagon with Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell, Commander Willard Miller and Steven Greer.

Rear Admiral Wilson was allegedly briefed about the hidden UFO program that he subsequently located but couldn't submit under his legislative parental control.

On July 28 2008, I was able to locate contact data of Thomas Wilson. I immediately suggested to Grant Cameron that we should forward it to Billy Cox for a potential article on the Pentagon 1997 briefing. The outcome was August 06 2008 article by Billy Cox: "Admiral Never Looked for UFO Data" where Wilson has denied allegations about the hidden UFO program and legislative dispute:
http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/10086/admiral-never-looked-for-ufo-data/

On January 29 2009, I created short descriptive compilation report and media chronology on the Pentagon UFO Briefing. The next day Edgar Mitchell replied in his email that "it is very accurate".

I have decided to create this media index that could serve as a good chronological overview of the entire story. On this page you can find Main Articles & Video/Audio reports that I detected, captured, recorded and preserved from 1996-2019.

[mountain_jim]

Documents?! What a joke. Raw material to keep the 'UFO entertainment industry' ( conferences, talk shows, documentaries ) going, nothing more. Richard Dolan has his bookings covered.

I will just comment that I disagree strongly with your views on Dolan here, perhaps due to his series of books (UFO's and the National Security State) being the major factor in my UFO-truths-awakening.

No UFO researcher is more qualified to determine the veracity and importance of these documents than him, in my view.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

These documents are interesting but read a bit iffy to me in places, the source being the most questionable (uncertain) aspect. The following statement for one is curious, and cause for concern.

(page 15) "UFOs are real, so-called 'alien abductions' not real."

An extremely false assertion - but need to re-read to gain the proper context, he maybe citing a quote from a third party.

[mojo]

so-called 'alien abductions' not real."

Dolans explanation sounded very plausible...

The quote above might infer that the abduction issue might have meant a higher security clearance than just knowing ufos are real.
At any rate with all the important evidence by Dr Roger Leir with implant removal and technology discovered in them such as carbon nano fibers and deep space radio wave emissions and the many abduction reports, we know better. Also as in past threads and also including the references in John Mack's book, abduction can also be positive and comes down to terminology. So perhaps in the case with Adm Wilson the question should have been posed a little different such as any humans been taken?

edit:according to the Wilson document there is no oversight and even Presidents are not read in. There is nobody that has been appointed by the people or voted in that is read into the SAP. How should a President react to learning of the Wilson memo and being the leader of the free World and not knowing?

Does anyone think Trump has been read in to the program? Does POTUS have the power to order a debrief?

[Star Tsar]

This raises interesting question regarding document etc


UFO News Network Sunday

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Michael W Hall

Recorded & Published 11th June 2019

Michael joins Frank & Chant to discuss the Admiral Wilson documents, are they the leak of the century or just another fake?

Documents in question can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ?fbclid=IwAR3I7aes386_CrObJBe4AQrqK6mokXzCgd2YiSwOGURPiORQTA-wyLuiR3A

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[Intranuclear]

This raises interesting question regarding document etc


UFO News Network Sunday

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Michael W Hall

Recorded & Published 11th June 2019

Michael joins Frank & Chant to discuss the Admiral Wilson documents, are they the leak of the century or just another fake?

Documents in question can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ?fbclid=IwAR3I7aes386_CrObJBe4AQrqK6mokXzCgd2YiSwOGURPiORQTA-wyLuiR3A

_9j5lulx1IQ

The one thing I don't understand is when contacting an actor in the document who has signed an NDA and asking them whether something classified is true, and they deny it, why isn't that the expected answer?
Does that alone mean that the document is false?
Of course it also does not mean the document is true.
We need evidence of a better kind.
Anything I read needs to have a reference to follow up.
I don't expect any of the people named in the document to admit to anything classified.

[Star Tsar]

I guess Paul Dean is the Australian researcher...


UFO News Network Sunday

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Paul Dean

Recorded & Published 13th June 2019

Paul Dean discusses the purported Admiral Wilson document, NORAD, the USAF and their OPREP-3 9B and 9F classes of intelligence reporting.

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[Intranuclear]

I guess Paul Dean is the Australian researcher...


UFO News Network Sunday

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Paul Dean

Recorded & Published 13th June 2019

Paul Dean discusses the purported Admiral Wilson document, NORAD, the USAF and their OPREP-3 9B and 9F classes of intelligence reporting.

1NVfVwezicE

Finally, an interview that makes total sense.
Thanks Star Tsar .
Paul Dean is refreshingly genuine.

[ExomatrixTV]

New Bombshell UFO Leak Links UFOs to Extraterrestrials
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Collective Evolution

Joe and Arjun discuss a new leaked UFO document that very strongly links some UFO sightings and crashes to extraterrestrials. Meaning, these crafts are not human-made. The government is aware of this but keeping it secret from the public for a number of key reasons we discuss.

Link to full document: https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ

Watch UFOs become Mainstream on CETV: https://cetv.one/catalog

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the document as a PDF in the Avalon Library. :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Admiral_Wilson_document/Admiral_Wilson_document.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the problem I have with this super-detailed report of the long and important conversation.

Did Eric Davis have a dictaphone in his pocket? Or has he got an extraordinary memory?

When I went to visit the vet about my dog a few days ago, I couldn't have written even one page of our detailed conversation in this way without being unsure that I may have missed or forgotten important parts of what he explained.

Edit to add:

I'll say more. The summary is clearly dramatic and embellished. Something like this may very well have happened, but it's not a transcript — and can't be treated as one.

Who, when making factual notes about an important meeting, writes: (bottom of p.10)



EWD: What was this?
TW: Let me finish!
That's more like an amateur attempt at screenplay dialog. There are many other examples of this kind of thing.

All I'm saying here is that has to be taken into account... and I've not so far seen anyone mention it as an orange (not a red) flag.

[Patient]

Here's the problem I have with this super-detailed report of the long and important conversation.

Did Eric Davis have a dictaphone in his pocket? Or has he got an extraordinary memory?

When I went to visit the vet about my dog a few days ago, I couldn't have written even one page of our detailed conversation in this way without being unsure that I may have missed or forgotten important parts of what he explained.

Edit to add:

I'll say more. The summary is clearly dramatic and embellished. Something like this may very well have happened, but it's not a transcript — and can't be treated as one.

Who, when making factual notes about an important meeting, writes: (bottom of p.10)



EWD: What was this?
TW: Let me finish!
That's more like an amateur attempt at screenplay dialog. There are many other examples of this kind of thing.

All I'm saying here is that has to be taken into account... and I've not so far seen anyone mention it as an orange (not a red) flag.

I agree. It seems to have been written from a person listening to a recording, or creating a screenplay.

When a person is recalling a conversation from just memory, they will often relay the information as coming from the past by saying "He said...." and other things described in the past tense.

If they are writing from a recording they will usually write the name of the person talking followed by what they said.

If it is a play, there will be a bit of both conversation and description.

Also, IMO, the flow feels odd and could have even come from multiple sources or even multiple writers.

Perhaps Richard Dolan knows more about this than he would say and that is why he so strongly supports it without questioning it.

[Intranuclear]

Here's the problem I have with this super-detailed report of the long and important conversation.

Did Eric Davis have a dictaphone in his pocket? Or has he got an extraordinary memory?

When I went to visit the vet about my dog a few days ago, I couldn't have written even one page of our detailed conversation in this way without being unsure that I may have missed or forgotten important parts of what he explained.

Edit to add:

I'll say more. The summary is clearly dramatic and embellished. Something like this may very well have happened, but it's not a transcript — and can't be treated as one.

Who, when making factual notes about an important meeting, writes: (bottom of p.10)



EWD: What was this?
TW: Let me finish!
That's more like an amateur attempt at screenplay dialog. There are many other examples of this kind of thing.

All I'm saying here is that has to be taken into account... and I've not so far seen anyone mention it as an orange (not a red) flag.

Indeed Bill that your questions and notes or concerns and more are most relevant. It is critical that this document be well researched. Some of your concerns are also brought up in the above videos posted by Star Tsar.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVfVwezicE

and


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9j5lulx1IQ

It should go without saying that taking such a document at face value would be insane at best and extremely damaging to the UFO community if taken as "truth".
That would really depress me beyond words.
Clearly all the actors who are still alive are expected to deny this, as has already been demonstrated in the video above when they phoned Admiral Wilson.
So really, if this is an amateurish hoax, I feel that it will not take too long to figure out. However if it is a clever hoax, well, it will take a lot longer.
There are many specific names and other entities in the doc, so there is clearly stuff to investigate and vet.
Regardless it is something to go on and in the coming months (perhaps longer) other players will try to get in on the action to either muddy things further or add more useful details.

There is no way on earth that full disclosure will ever happen. For one thing, a lot of the actors are very dead and gone and those who remain may be senile or stay secretive.

But still, it is something vs total silence.

PS: Even if all the named actors came forth and admitted to every detail in the doc, it would mean absolutely nothing. Without direct evidence, there will always remain doubt.

[Did You See Them]

Those in control of all the information regarding the subject seem determined to bring any disclosure process under its own wing with the view to pushing the threat level in the publics minds eye.
Those opposed to such a stance and thwarting their plans are in danger of being made to look idiots and easily discredited with bogus information and tall stories.

I've said it before but who is the public going to believe ? - a "ufo" community talking about "blue Chickens and waving fake documents around pushing love and light etc or the US military with "hard" evidence and official projects and departments pushing the threat they pose ?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uJHXQMVofa0/W1tkjpcxpCI/AAAAAAAABsw/xYPsxPI0gL4yrhMSSE0TgzedzZPwSXiiwCLcBGAs/s1600/kitch.png

All documents need a full investigation before any researcher throws their weight and career behind them.

I believe the whereabouts of Admiral Wilson on the day in question is their "trump" card to discredit ( even if they are real !!) They will have "proof" of him being elsewhere on the day !

[Clear Light]

Oh, with regards to the "Accuracy" of the Leaked Documents, here's a couple of Tweets (10 June) I found from Steven Greer wherein he confirms the leaked notes as being "Substantially correct" :

1. https://twitter.com/DrStevenGreer/status/1138213308388007936

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2. https://twitter.com/DrStevenGreer/status/1138212313775951873

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Indeed, a link has been added to the Sirius Disclosure website (here (http://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-papers/)) in their "Papers and Press Releases" section under "Disclosure Documents" : Leaked Notes of Admiral Wilson to Eric Davis, 2002 (https://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Leaked_Notes_Eric_Davis_2002.pdf) !

Now, as I heard Richard tell it from one (or perhaps two) of his recent YouTube presentations, when he was first shown these Notes, he only got to see TWO pages of them and at that time he was unaware that the "Senior Government Official" was in fact Admiral Wilson.

It was only after Dr Greer published his book "Hidden Truth Forbidden Knowledge", I believe, that Richard learned Wilson was there. By way of corroboration Richard went back to his Source who did likewise confirm Wilson's identity.

Here's a quote from pages 151 / 152 of Steven's book :


The day after the congressional briefings in 1997, I was asked to do a briefing for the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Tom Wilson. In advance of this important meeting we sent a document to his people. His assistant told me that the Admiral had, in fact, found these code names and code project names and numbers useful; he inquired through channels and found some of these ops in a cell in the Pentagon.

Once Admiral Wilson identified this group, he told the contact per- son in this super-secret cell: “I want to know about this project.” And he was told, “Sir, you don’t have a need to know. We can’t tell you.”

Now, can you imagine being an admiral, J-2, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at the Pentagon, and being told, “We're not going to tell you”? Well, he was shocked and angry.

I took one of our witnesses, Shari, our military advisor, and Apollo astronaut, Edgar Mitchell with me to this meeting with the Admiral. It was a stand-up briefing. As the briefing progressed, he began canceling other appointments-- he was so interested in the information. The only reason the meeting ended when it did was because Ed Mitchell had to get up to New York for a TV interview. But the Admiral, I know, would have kept going for some time more.

During this briefing, the Admiral and I discussed the risk this rogue group – that had shoved him aside – was to the United States, the rule of law and to the national security. I pointed out that the first CIA director, Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoeter, had written a letter in the early 1960s stat- ing that the secrecy related to UFOs – and not the UFOs- were a threat to the national security. I told the Admiral that this illegal, rogue group had ARV technology that can do circles around his B2 Stealth bombers. He thought a minute and said, “Well, as far as I am concerned, if you can get people who know about this matter to talk on the record, you have my permission to go to the media with this! This group is illegal!” So when people ask who supported disclosure, among others, I tell them the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff!

It would be highly interesting to hear from Richard's original source but naturally he isn't going to divulge such information without their Consent !

Of course it would also be interesting to hear from whomever "leaked" the documents and what their "angle" is in all of this eh ?

:sherlock:

[Clear Light]

Oh, so one of the two pages which Richard was shown, he said, is page 13 of the leaked documents. My understanding is that he was unable (not allowed) to copy it or to photograph it, just to see it.

Now at some point the question arose : Was the document he saw identical to the leaked documents OR was it somehow redacted to hide the initials of those present OR did it look like an Original or a Photocopy OR in what way(s) is it different from the one as included in the Leak ?

BUT the reason why he was shown this particular page, so his source said, was because it says the following :


"It was technology that was not of this Earth - not made by man - not by human hands"

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For "your" consideration : Now given that Wilson can not say anything with regard to this subject matter except perhaps by way of a "death bed confession", I'd say it seems unlikely there will be any further "progression" bearing in mind the Monumental Secrecy surrounding unacknowledged Special Access Programs (SAPs) eh ?


An unacknowledged SAP - a black program - is a program which is considered so sensitive that the fact of its existence is a 'core secret', defined in USAF regulations as "any item, progress, strategy or element of information, the compromise of which would result in unrecoverable failure". In other words, revealing the existence of a black program would undermine its military value.

From : A WaybackMachine (https://web.archive.org) 2001 snapshot of Jane's AIR FORCES article "In search of the Pentagon's billion dollar hidden budgets - how the US keeps its R&D spending under wraps" (here (https://web.archive.org/web/20010302181319/http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jidr/jidr000105_01_n.shtml))

:sherlock:

[Clear Light]

From : "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research" website (http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/) : On the provenance of the purported Davis/Wilson document (http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/06/on-provenance-of-purported-daviswilson.html) (Saturday, June 15, 2019)



A document comes to light

A document has surfaced (https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ), dated 16 October 2002, which purports to be a copy of a set of notes, (not a transcript as so many commentators are saying,) of a meeting, on that date, between Dr Eric Davis and US Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson.


Introduction

The purpose of this post is to try and set out some known facts about the provenance of this document, and then make some informed deductions. I must firstly state, that I have not obtained any of these deductions from the anonymous source who advised me that he was the individual who supplied a copy of the set of notes, to which Grant Cameron (https://twitter.com/GrantCameron) has been referring. These deductions are purely mine, and based on public knowledge.


Known facts

After my first blog on the topic of this meeting (http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/06/notes-on-2002-meeting-between-dr-eric.html), I received a blog comment from US researcher Richard Dolan which, in part, advised that:

"One important thing to add to your analysis is that I was shown two pages of that 15-page document back in 2006...I will never forget reading the statement 'not made by man - not by human hands'..."

The Davis notes, on page 13, contain the statement, attributed to a program manager, "...it was technology that 'was not of this Earth- not made by man - not by human hands."

So, here is someone who states they saw part of the notes back in 2006, four years after the purported meeting is dated. Dolan has declined to name the individual who showed him these two pages.

Next, Canadian researcher Grant Cameron, who came into possession of a copy of the notes in late 2018, says that he received a copy of the notes from an individual. I have been able to communicate with this individual and obtained a statement from them, which I recently posted in the first blog on this topic. This person advised me that they also, would not name their source of the notes.

In addition, in an interview on the Black Vault Radio show, dated 28 December 2018, Cameron said: "It's a transcript of an interview and the person who had it died, had the transcript, and it comes out of their files."


Hypothesizing

I am interested in determining the provenance of the notes back beyond my source. The following is my lines of reasoning for putting forward a potential individual's name, as the source of my source's copy.

1. Firstly, going back to the original 1997 Wilson meeting with UFO researchers. Excellent research by journalist Giuliano Marinkovic (https://twitter.com/OmniTalkRadio), has identified that the attendees at this meeting, were:

UFO researchers: Steven Greer; Shari Adamiak; Commander Willard Miller; Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin; Dr Edgar Mitchell.

Government: Admiral Thomas R Wilson; Lieutenant General Patrick M Hughes; Admiral Mike Crawford.

[Source: A privately circulated document, titled "Forsaken Poseidon: Anatomy of the USG UFO SAP Infrastructure," compiled by Giuliano Marinkovic, 2019.]

2. I asked my source, if he had ever met Dr Edgar Mitchell? He replied that he had met him briefly, on several occasions. However, "that the Edgar Mitchell meetings may have nothing to do with the source of the documents." I thought that this wording was odd, "may have nothing," not "didn't have anything."

3. I noted Grant Cameron's audio statement: "It's a transcript of an interview, and the person who had it died, had the transcript, and it comes out of their files."

4. I understand that my source has in fact revealed to Grant Cameron, but not to me, the source of their copy of the notes. On 13 June 2019, on his Face Book page, Grant Cameron (https://www.facebook.com/presidentialufo/posts/10219571564544085) posted an unusual link to an old document. It was based on a radio interview which was broadcast on the Australian Broadcasting Commission's network, back in 2008. It featured some claims by Dr Edgar Mitchell in relation to information he had obtained from unnamed sources; and some comments by myself.

To my knowledge, no-one has circulated a link to this 2008 ABC interview (here (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-08-01/astronauts-alien-claims-fall-short-says-ufo/460840)), since I did the interview in 2008. It is so obscure an item that most people have never heard of it. The text, by Cameron, which accompanied the link, simply said "The following article is about to come into play." To me, it seems to point to what is clearly an important piece of information, to Cameron. The individuals named in the article are Dr Mitchell and myself. I suggest that Cameron is pointing to Dr Mitchell. Why?

5. Dr Edgar Mitchell was on the Science Advisory Board of the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) when Dr Eric Davis was a NIDS employee, and thus were well known to each other.

6. Dr Edgar Mitchell, who passed away in 2016, is central in all of the above information.

My current hypothesis then, is that the source of my source's copy of the notes, was from the files of Edgar Mitchell.


Confirmation sought

Before publishing this post, I forwarded a copy of a draft of it, to both my source, and to Grant Cameron, and sought their comments on it.

My source responded almost immediately, with a "no comment."

Following my email to him, Grant Cameron then posted the following on his Face Book page (here (https://www.facebook.com/presidentialufo/posts/10219585090682230)).


"For some time now Richard Dolan has encouraged me to become involved in the story of the two recently leaked UFO documents. I have resisted but Monday morning I will enter the game and make a posting.

I will post a third document that will begin to explain where these documents came from and what is going on."

By Keith Basterfield (https://www.blogger.com/profile/05367372091711887711) at June 15, 2019 (http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/06/on-provenance-of-purported-daviswilson.html)

Ah, it's looking as if there will be further revelations concerning the recently leaked notes eh ? :thumbsup:

[Clear Light]

How should a President react to learning of the Wilson memo and being the leader of the free World and not knowing?

Does anyone think Trump has been read in to the program? Does POTUS have the power to order a debrief?

Oh, I've just come across this article "Would the President be Briefed on a UFO Special Access Program (https://sites.google.com/view/ufoskepticorg/would-the-president-be-briefed-on-a-ufo-special-access-program)" which may be of interest in this regard eh ? ;)

A couple of Snippets :



That means that even if an incoming President asked someone who knew about the existence of such a program, that individual would be required by law to not only not tell the President, but also to actively mislead him, if necessary. (Such a policy is actually spelled out in controversial documents that researchers Ryan and Robert Wood obtained and traced back to CIA Director Allen Dulles in the 1950s. The source of these documents is unclear.) If a president today tried the same thing without the appropriate clearances (which he could not give to himself) he would likewise be told (legitimately) that there was nothing disclosable.


A new President who wants to know what the government knows about UFOs would have to be persistent, clever, and informed before beginning the quest, as Clinton's failed attempt via Associate Attorney General Webster Hubble attests. Simply issuing a presidential executive order declassifying the topic might yield the mistaken conclusion that there is no such material. The first step would be to determine under exactly what legal jurisdiction the matter is classified. This could best be accomplished by a small dedicated research team reporting directly and personally to the President with at least high enough clearances to be able to read all classified Presidential Decision Memoranda and the classified appendices to the Atomic Energy Act and the National Security Act.

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[Bill Ryan]

Gathering as much information about this as I can at the moment, my current personal view is that this VERY interesting YouTube conversation (referred to above several times) is the most informative so far.

It offers some extremely valuable factual insights. Based on these, my current leaning is that this document has


at least been doctored for reasons unknown, and
may be an elaborate intel-level hoax/disinfo ploy, though based on some real events and people.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9j5lulx1IQ[/url]

[Kryztian]

It looks like there is another document coming on Monday from Grant Cameron. Hopefully, this will help make the picture a little more clear.

From Facebook:
https://i.imgur.com/LXbkKYD.jpg

[Kryztian]

Based on these, my current leaning is that this document has


at least been doctored for reasons unknown, and
may be an elaborate intel-level hoax/disinfo ploy, though based on some real events and people.



What seems hoaxed is the 2 page letter from Commander Willard Miller. Both Frank Stalter and Chant Hannah (two interviewers/researchers) called Miller separately, and he seemed to offer a fairly convincing argument that he did not write the letter. I am wondering if the letter was fabricated by Eric Davis, just so he could get Wilson's attention?

[Bill Ryan]

Based on these, my current leaning is that this document has


at least been doctored for reasons unknown, and
may be an elaborate intel-level hoax/disinfo ploy, though based on some real events and people.



What seems hoaxed is the 2 page letter from Commander Willard Miller. Both Frank Stalter and Chant Hannah (two interviewers/researchers) called Miller separately, and he seemed to offer a fairly convincing argument that he did not write the letter.

Yes, Miller co-operated fully with the investigators (see this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9j5lulx1IQ)), drew attention to a number of anomalies and errors, and himself stated he doubted the veracity of the whole document. That all really does count for something.

My own added reservations include the overdramatized screenplay-dialog style of the conversation summary, which if it was NOT taken from a dictaphone, was (at least) definitely embellished.

No-one would EVER write notes like that just from memory. So whether or not a dictaphone was in play seems to me to be really quite important.

[Clear Light]

Ah, for anybody interested, Richard Dolan (https://www.facebook.com/RichardDolanOfficial/posts/2282616381961325) is "going live" on his YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/RichardMDolan/) sometime in the next few hours :

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[Intranuclear]

It's on now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e2kOzWsnxI

[Intranuclear]

This is the transcript of the video: https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/the-wilson-leak-latest-developments/

[Clear Light]

This is the transcript of the video: https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/the-wilson-leak-latest-developments/

From the above transcript :


One of the key statements Keith pulled out was one from Grant Cameron from an interview on the Black Vault radio with John Greenewald on December 28, 2018. Keith quotes Grant here:


“It’s a transcript of an interview and the person who had it died, had the transcript, and it comes out of their files.”

That’s a definite clue. The person who had this document died, and what we have now has come from the files of that person.


Ah, so here's the link for the YouTube video of the Grant Cameron interview on Black Vault Radio : Ep-20 – Grant Cameron on UFO Secrecy | The Black Vault Radio w/ John Greenewald, Jr. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoYH55dqNDA) (published on 28 Dec 2018) containing the above Quote at the 2:06:37 mark.

But just a few minutes after Grant talks about the "Wilson interview" he goes on to talk about his theory for what seems to be happening generally with the UFO phenomenon (from 2:11:57) :


There is a "dark arm" of the government, a "dark agency" of the government, or whatever it is, who have unlimited money, and unlimited power and they control this story and there's nothing we can do about it.

It's done according to constitution, I think it's done legally, I think if it wasn't being done legally someone would walk away, someone would defect and nobody has defected.

There's been 13 or 14 presidents who have handled the ufo subject, they've all done the same thing whether they're republican or democrat, everybody has done the same thing which indicates that there is a plan, there is something in there, it's just very highly compartmentalised and I can't see anything other than the fact that what's happening now is intentional.

That they need the story, almost like when they let the road runners tell the story of Area 51, so eventually they tell every story and they will declassify all the documents, but it's on whatever time, cos you're not going to declassify anything until it's no longer a threat to national security, as long as it's a threat to national security you're not going to release it, so the classified parts you want to keep, but like the road runners they're going to allow people to tell the story and that's what I believe they're doing.

They're sort of gradually doing the story, almost like Chase Brandon said : If you want a good read, read the AATIP story, if you want to know what's going on read between the lines !

I wonder if perhaps Grant will address this issue of "Disclosure" further in his next Public Post tomorrow given the recent Wilson Leak eh ?

:sherlock:

[Clear Light]

Ah, I've copied the following screenshot from Grant Cameron's FB page (here (https://www.facebook.com/presidentialufo)) :

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Now in case it's not clear :

1. I have two more documents. One will be posted Monday. One is not a UFO document that can wait. The source has more documents I have not seen nor do i wish to see.

2. Greer on Church Monday. I will be on in near future. Dolan will keep up his efforts and after a long conversation with me he knows more about what happened.

:sherlock:

[Clear Light]

Oh, so here is the latest three page document from Grant Cameron as posted to his FB page (June 17, 2019) :


I have tried to stay out of this latest document controversy since about March. However, recently is appeared that the crazies were trying to push my friend Richard Dolan off a cliff, so I have come to support him.

In 2008 Apollo astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell made some dramatic claims about the reality of UFOs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7cI

We know that Mitchell talked to a lot of powerful people about UFOs and was connected to NIDS and the discoveries and reports that were produced. In 2008 he stated, "I have been people involved in certain committees and certain research programs with very credible scientists in various intelligence people that do know the real inside story and I I am not hesitant to talk about it."

Did you ever wonder where his files went after he passed on?

It presents as a "National Institute for Discovery Science" (NIDS) letter addressed to Edgar Mitchell signed by Robert Bigelow.

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And Keith Basterfield has posted some comparative analysis in support of the Provenance of the document to his website :

Revelations of the third kind - The Bigelow/Mitchell 1996 letter emerges (http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/06/revelations-of-third-kind.html) (June 17, 2019)

It will be interesting, I'd say, in the next couple of days to hear further about this whole affair from Steven Greer and Keith who are both now confirmed to appear with Jimmy Church (Monday and Wednesday evenings respectively) [1] :

https://twitter.com/JChurchRadio/status/1140370194805583872

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https://twitter.com/JChurchRadio/status/1140373004712464384

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:sherlock:

[1] It'll be in the middle of the night for any of us Europe-based-Earthlings who manage to stay awake :sleep: !!!

[Did You See Them]

Cant get to "revelations" link above !

[Clear Light]

Cant get to "revelations" link above !

Ah, sorry about that, I've just corrected it !

[Star Tsar]

Mr Cameron on the subject @ hand...


Spaced Out Radio

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Grant Cameron - Admiral Wilson UFO Document Leak & Ryan Stacey - TESA

Published 17th June 2019

In the first portion of the show, Grant Cameron to discuss the Admiral Wilson UFO document leak.

Then Ryan Stacey from TESA (The Experiencers Support Association) joins us to talk about his experiencer's project.

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[Star Tsar]

Dr Greer shares his thoughts...


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Dr. Steven Greer | The Wilson UFO Leaked Documents

Published 17th June 2019

Last week a major document leak was exposed to the UFO community… the documents contained a transcript of a conversation between Eric Davis and Rear Admiral Thomas Wilson that took place in a car behind the EG&G building in Las Vegas.
Dr. Steven Greer is featured a couple of times in the document, having attended a meeting at the Pentagon in April, 1997 and the subject at that meeting was UFOs.
Tonight, our guest is Dr. Greer and we are going to discuss the document, the Pentagon meeting and how the government and it’s agencies present the UFO question to the public.

One can listen by clicking here (https://www.spreaker.com/user/fade2black/fade-to-black-host-jimmy-church-guest-dr_7)

[Clear Light]

Mr Cameron on the subject @ hand...


Spaced Out Radio

Grant Cameron - Admiral Wilson UFO Document Leak & Ryan Stacey - TESA

Published 17th June 2019

In the first portion of the show, Grant Cameron to discuss the Admiral Wilson UFO document leak.

Then Ryan Stacey from TESA (The Experiencers Support Association) joins us to talk about his experiencer's project.

video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO5S2ybi6hY)


Oh, now due to some time constraints (such as sleeping and working), lol, I have only so far listened to the first 40 minutes (or so) of Grant's interview (under protest he says) on "Spaced Out Radio" with Dave Scott ... but I want to draw "your" attention to these salient points :

1. It seems that at first Grant was "all for" getting the Wilson document "out into the open" but then due to a series of "unfortunate events" he changed his mind and wanted nothing more to do with it.

2. Nevertheless, what he is sure of is that the document has come from the files of Edgar Mitchell and how he can be so certain is because the people who now are in possession of the files have also shared with him other files such as a letter from Edgar to the widow of Charles Lindbergh. To his mind the "provenance" of the recent leaked documents is "beyond doubt" !

3. Then the documents "dropped onto the Internet" at Reddit but nothing seemed to happen until Richard Dolan "got hold of them". Grant says that even when Richard contacted him, he still maintained he wanted to stay "out of it", however once he heard Richard had got a "no comment" from Hal Puthoff, that reassured him Richard was doing the proper "leg work" confronting the relevant parties and so he felt he could once again "get involved".

Thus in the eyes of both Richard and Grant, the "no comment" from Hal Puthoff is of major significance eh ?

Here is what Richard said in his presentation The Wilson Leak: Latest Developments. Richard Dolan The Big Picture (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e2kOzWsnxI) (15 Jun 2019) from the 39:15 mark :


... this is a "no comment" that I received three days ago on June 12 from Dr Hal Puthoff, and I'm gonna show this to you, this is directly out of my email, I have permission to show this, I asked explicitly, and he said sure and I am showing this here :

It reads : "Rich, With regards to authenticity, we have no comment on the documents recently being circulated. As some of us still retain USG security clearances and remain bound by the secrecy oaths we have taken, we believe it is in the best interest of the USG and ourselves not to comment on any documents that purport to describe classified USG programs or information. Best regards, Hal"

I would ask you to read that statement very carefully, rather than a simple denial, Dr Puthoff offers a very carefully worded non-denial. <deep breath> This is practically offering an explanation for his "no comment", it's as confirming as a "no comment" can ever be, it's also noteworthy I think that he states "WE have no comment", clearly speaking for all parties concerned ..."

As ever, for "your" Consideration :)

:sherlock:

[Clear Light]

Dr Greer shares his thoughts...


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Dr. Steven Greer | The Wilson UFO Leaked Documents

Published 17th June 2019

Last week a major document leak was exposed to the UFO community… the documents contained a transcript of a conversation between Eric Davis and Rear Admiral Thomas Wilson that took place in a car behind the EG&G building in Las Vegas.
Dr. Steven Greer is featured a couple of times in the document, having attended a meeting at the Pentagon in April, 1997 and the subject at that meeting was UFOs.
Tonight, our guest is Dr. Greer and we are going to discuss the document, the Pentagon meeting and how the government and it’s agencies present the UFO question to the public.

One can listen by clicking here (https://www.spreaker.com/user/fade2black/fade-to-black-host-jimmy-church-guest-dr_7)

Oh, for anybody interested : The spreaker link above no longer works however it's up on the FADE TO BLACK Radio (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXDvumKcfoqKYs1W_VKqLdA) YouTube channel :

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[Clear Light]

Ah, and it seems that Richard Dolan has some new information ... :thumbsup:

https://twitter.com/RichDolan/status/1141111669336289280

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[Clear Light]

Oh, for any interested parties who don't necessarily have the time to listen to some of the recent interviews listed on this thread, may I suggest visiting this Twitter account UFOR&DBoard (https://twitter.com/dboardufor) that provides a Summary in series of Tweets ... included is the Steven Green interview with Jimmy Church (73 Tweets starting here (https://twitter.com/DboardUfor/status/1140806338798346240)) as well as tonight's Richard Dolan presentation (starting here (https://twitter.com/DboardUfor/status/1141127435934674945)) ... :happythumbsup:

[Star Tsar]

Ah, and it seems that Richard Dolan has some new information ... :thumbsup:

https://twitter.com/RichDolan/status/1141111669336289280

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As mentioned above by Mr Transparent Photon!


The Richard Dolan Show

Intelligent Disclosure | The Leak: New Revelations

Streamed & Published 18th June 2019

The Davis-Wilson leak continues to work its way through the UFO community. A consensus has formed that these notes came from the files of the late Apollo astronaut, Dr. Edgar Mitchell. Richard and Tracey discuss this, plus a fascinating recent quote from Dr. Eric Davis, provided as recently as June 1, 2019, giving strong corroboration to the notes. Responding to researcher James Iandoli immediately following an appearance of Luis Elizondo on Tucker Carlson, Davis said, "Luis Elizondo's very brief answer to Tucker Carlson's question about whether the U.S. government is in possession of recovered crashed and landed UFO technology hardware is 1000% accurate. My national security NDAs prevent me from adding any further comment on this."

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[Did You See Them]

More "breadcrumbs" !
We've had lots of breadcrumbs !!

I think we need "them" to drop a real piece of the crust - even if it curls the hairs on the back of our necks !

[Kryztian]

More "breadcrumbs" !
We've had lots of breadcrumbs !!

I think we need "them" to drop a real piece of the crust - even if it curls the hairs on the back of our necks !

When you are dealing with tyrants, bread crumbs is about as good as it gets, and in the SSP, even the bread crumbs are usually most carefully swept up. But you might find in the meager bread crumbs the key to the tyrants downfall.

There are two things going on simultaneously:

1) Mainstream media is telling us that the UFO phenomena is real and relevant and that our government has had at least one secret program to study them. Even the war mongering Bilderberg controlled Washington Post is saying that: "UFOs exist and everyone needs to adjust to that fact (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/ufos-exist-everyone-needs-adjust-that-fact/?fbclid=IwAR0Fj9jtg8IFaet_dkDufPtHMv6nw6f10u77UxIfyCsFHzgqZ6o_ZpBtgZk&utm_term=.6de6c6c94359)."

2) We have this leak that comes from the files of an American astronaut, the references as Vice Admiral who is still alive, that shows real criminal activity taking place.

We have the combination of the right timing and the right evidence where we can now say to our elected leaders "Investigate this matter. Subpoena the Admiral and everyone else involved. If you don't do this then just admit you are part of a mafia and do not represent the people who elected you."

[Did You See Them]

More "breadcrumbs" !
We've had lots of breadcrumbs !!

I think we need "them" to drop a real piece of the crust - even if it curls the hairs on the back of our necks !

When you are dealing with tyrants, bread crumbs is about as good as it gets, and in the SSP, even the bread crumbs are usually most carefully swept up. But you might find in the meager bread crumbs the key to the tyrants downfall.

There are two things going on simultaneously:

1) Mainstream media is telling us that the UFO phenomena is real and relevant and that our government has had at least one secret program to study them. Even the war mongering Bilderberg controlled Washington Post is saying that: "UFOs exist and everyone needs to adjust to that fact (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/ufos-exist-everyone-needs-adjust-that-fact/?fbclid=IwAR0Fj9jtg8IFaet_dkDufPtHMv6nw6f10u77UxIfyCsFHzgqZ6o_ZpBtgZk&utm_term=.6de6c6c94359)."

2) We have this leak that comes from the files of an American astronaut, the references as Vice Admiral who is still alive, that shows real criminal activity taking place.

We have the combination of the right timing and the right evidence where we can now say to our elected leaders "Investigate this matter. Subpoena the Admiral and everyone else involved. If you don't do this then just admit you are part of a mafia and do not represent the people who elected you."


Could not agree more but I think after all the years of crumbs they're starting to shake the bag out - and I expect the crust (that no one wants) to fall out soon ! (especially if they want funding !!)

[Kryztian]

Hal Puthoff on Coast to Coast AM with George Knapp, January 18, 2018


“Detailed proof that crashes had happened would be so highly classified piece of data. There has been one leaked document — how it got leaked, I’ll never know — which is out there, that talks about some crashes, that we were able to verify … it was a real document. My opinion is there are probably at least materials. Now, it wouldn’t necessarily have to be crash of an entire craft, but it could be a piece blown off, whatever, by a lightning strike or a missile or whatever. So I am not surprised to find out that there’s discussion of material being available. We’ve had an opportunity to look at some unusual material, and I think that is a big area that will become more significant as time goes on. And the interesting thing about it was that I couldn’t figure out a very complex material. When you talk to people that are doing this kind of research … [we know about] all the elements on the periodic table, so you are not finding some new element that you didn’t realize is on the periodic table. No, it’s more like putting together layers of various kinds of materials that you wouldn’t expect to be able to be layered, and the result at the end of the day is that it has certain unusual characteristics that you wouldn’t have predicted in advance, so that is the kind of thing that, to a physicist, is the most interesting.”

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[Bill Ryan]

Gathering as much information about this as I can at the moment, my current personal view is that this VERY interesting YouTube conversation (referred to above several times) is the most informative so far.

It offers some extremely valuable factual insights. Based on these, my current leaning is that this document has


at least been doctored for reasons unknown, and
may be an elaborate intel-level hoax/disinfo ploy, though based on some real events and people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9j5lulx1IQ[/url]

For the record, listening carefully to Grant Cameron, Rich Dolan, Steven Greer and others, I'm now changing my view: this does indeed seem likely to be authentic. (Though personally, I have to say, I'm more interested in the 'Alien Autopsy' document, which I believe is yet to surface.)

But I still have a couple of unanswered questions.


Will Miller's reservations about it all. He stated, sounding very reasonable, apparently willing to answer all questions, that the letter of his that's embedded in the Admiral Wilson document was a cut-and-paste compilation, and not a real letter of his. That's been pretty much brushed off as unimportant by the document's main advocates.



The rather dramatized, screenplay style of the notes. If the style is real and not a fiction, it has to have been from a dictaphone, which the explanation most advocates are proposing: in my opinion also rather as a brush-off of the important question. But is this known? It seems to me to be important.

[Intranuclear]

As researchers have stated, including recently Grant Cameron, many are very reluctant to release documents. In fact, Grant mentions that he had to "rescue" Edgar Mitchell's files because the family had ZERO interest in UFOs and were going to destroy them. The family was more interested in getting their hands on the Apollo objects (pictures, docs, spacecraft pieces and such) to auction off for money.
Grant stated that he won't release his docs until he dies.

Of course without many docs, disclosure is certainly a long ways away, so at best I guess we can hope for is an accelerated trickle, which will raise more questions. Meanwhile, those in the know will happily continue with their agendas.
MSM will not risk streaming stuff they are not allowed, so we are left with few options.

America has an empire to maintain, and it has a very long way to go to beat the duration of the Roman Empire.
CIA and all the other acronyms are simply doing their bit to this end. As technology advances so do their tactics. No surprises there at all.
Not saying I condone or support any of this as I could care less about any empire, but I do care about living in an enlightened community, and looking at history, there is little evidence that any enlightened community survives very long.
Throw in aliens, and things get exponentially more complicated for all, especially alphabet agencies.

[ichingcarpenter]

I've now have read the documents and listened to the latest interviews with Dolan, Fitts, Cameron, Linda and Greer. I also listened to the latest John Lear and Kerry ( don't waste your time on that one, except Lear told Kerry to shut up ) The document is important and I think real its interesting that no one in the govt past or present say the document is fake but will say 'no comment' which is interesting. There is talk by researchers about now getting access to Stanton Friedman's files and Edgar Mitchel's files which might have stuff that may apply to this.... that will be revealing because after they die things can come out.


On a side point its interesting that David Wilcock nor his insider's insiders nor his cosmic earth's ambassador to the universe have said anything on these documents or data. I think they are almost finished as far as contributing to the UFO field , ........ I hope

[Kryztian]

In fact, Grant mentions that he had to "rescue" Edgar Mitchell's files because the family had ZERO interest in UFOs and were going to destroy them.

From my memory of the interview, Grant was not the one who rescued the files from the Edgar Mitchell estate. He artfully put that in the passive voice and didn't say the name of who did. Grant got them from James Rigney, an Australian, and it was not said how he obtained them. We don't know the entire chain of custody yet.

Grant also said that he has his info that is not going to be released until after his death, and he also stated that he is going to look through the papers of Stanton Friedman, because there is a lot of stuff he has yet to release.

[Sandy123]

For your programming pleasure; another major Psyop coming at you. It sure keeps all our minds busy here.

Although I do have to say; there's no way Edgar Mitchell family would "destroy" any of his papers, ever.

[Clear Light]

In fact, Grant mentions that he had to "rescue" Edgar Mitchell's files because the family had ZERO interest in UFOs and were going to destroy them.

From my memory of the interview, Grant was not the one who rescued the files from the Edgar Mitchell estate. He artfully put that in the passive voice and didn't say the name of who did. Grant got them from James Rigney, an Australian, and it was not said how he obtained them. We don't know the entire chain of custody yet.

Grant also said that he has his info that is not going to be released until after his death, and he also stated that he is going to look through the papers of Stanton Friedman, because there is a lot of stuff he has yet to release.

Ah, there's more on that here :

New Questions and answers - James Rigney (https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/06/new-questions-and-answers-james-rigney.html) (Sunday, June 23, 2019)



In a blog post dated 12 June 2019 (http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/06/notes-on-2002-meeting-between-dr-eric.html), I revealed that I had located the person who had provided Canadian researcher Grant Cameron, with Grant's copy of the Davis/Wilson document. I then published a statement from that individual, who at that time had decided to remain anonymous. However, shortly afterwards, my source revealed his real identity. He is a fellow Australian named James Rigney, who has had a long term interest in the subject of UFOs.

From information provided in the Davis/Wilson document and the two others subsequently released, I had deduced that the original source of James' copies of the documents, was the files of the late Doctor Edgar Mitchell. James has confirmed to me that the source of his copies of the documents, was indeed someone who had obtained them, from the files of Edgar Mitchell.

At his invitation, I have now had an opportunity to pose a further series of questions to James. Below I provide these questions and James' responses to them. After this, he simply wishes to remain in the shadows.

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[Did You See Them]

Questions and answers


Q1. There is speculation that you possess additional Mitchell documents. Grant Cameron, on yesterday's Spaced Out Radio interview mentioned the subject of at least one. Do you indeed, have more Mitchell sourced documents? If so, would they add significantly to what has already emerged, or are they of lesser interest? Could you describe them, in whatever manner you prefer?


A1. As I explained in my statement to Richard Dolan, there are more documents, but it would be wrong to assume that these are as significant as the two principle documents. In any event, these are with Grant's lawyer, Michael W. Hall, and may or may not be released in the future. Please bear in mind that the people in control of these decisions share the objective to move things forward as effectively as possible, so that any decision to reveal future documents will be considered in this light.


Q2. Richard Dolan has mentioned that there were some six boxes of Mitchell related material. Is this also your understanding? If so, can you elaborate on what these six boxes contained?


A2. I was once told that there were six boxes of material, although I certainly didn't see these, and I certainly wasn't given access to anything like that number of documents. Six boxes may or may not be a lot of documents, depending on the size of of the boxes.


Q3. On the Spaced Out Radio show, Cameron mentioned that at one point, he suggested you drop the material anonymously onto the Internet, but that you did not. Is this statement correct? May we again, hear directly from you whether or not you dropped the first two documents on to the Internet?


A3. Grant did advise me on a video conference in early May, or thereabouts, that he wouldn't be dropping the documents. We did discuss as to whether I would drop them, and I said I wouldn't. I can categorically state that I did not drop  the documents, or for that matter, pass them on to Richard Dolan. It is evident by mid-May there were a number of people in possession of the documents, along with several others that I know of who have had them for a decade or so.


Q4. Cameron then mentioned that he approached a "group of people" about leaking the first two documents, and they said "we'll take it from here." The implication being, that someone from this group was the anonymous leaker. Are you aware of the identity of this group, and would you be willing to name them? Thus enabling the question to be put to bed.


A4. I have no knowledge of who dropped the documents. Whilst I have heard Grant drop various names on a couple of his recent interviews, he did not discuss anything with me about who was going to, or who had, dropped the documents. Clearly that person wants anonymity, so it would be fitting that people respect that, and further to that, thank them for their efforts.


Q5. Richard Dolan mentioned that he was shown, what he believes were two pages of the Davis/Wilson document, in about 2006. In order that we can understand the timeline since 2002 when the Davis/Wilson document is dated, can you name the year in which you first came into possession of that document?


A5. I was in possession of the documents for a few years before I showed them to Grant in November, 2018. I would prefer not to nominate the exact dates in which I came into possession of the documents.


Q6. Given that it appears that a full set of the documents are held only by Cameron, Hall and yourself; and that neither Hall nor Cameron intend to ever publish them; do you feel comfortable in sharing them with anyone else, in order to have an independent person aware of their contents? Perhaps not to share them in public but to be aware of whether or not they will move the debate forward?


A6. I will not be releasing any documents personally. I doubt that anything new will be coming out anytime soon, if ever. There is already  a huge amount of data to process and a lot of work to be done, so the focus should solely be on that for the near future.


Q7. A number of people have so far come forward and suggested lines of evidence that suggest that the Davis/Wilson document is not genuine. What have you to say about this?


A7. I have watched the discussion around the authenticity of the documents. People are free to believe whatever they want, but I would say, "Follow the evidence." Personally I have seen  no evidence put up so far that would even remotely discredit the documents. I am with Richard Dolan and Grant Cameron, along with many others, in having no doubt that these documents are genuine.

Things are unfolding very quickly, so no doubt there will be more surprises to follow as these stories unfold.


Q8. I have been informed that your source for access to the documents, may have been Bob Staretz, a close friend of Mitchell, and someone who collaborated with Mitchell on his work on consciousness. Without naming the person who provided you with access to the original documents from the Mitchell files, can you provide any further information about them, even if only in general terms?


A8. I would rather not comment on anything in relation to the direct source of the documents due to my verbal NDA. I would hope that people respect this and understand what it has taken to get to the point we are at now.


Q9. At his point, is there anything further that you would  like to say?


A9. Yes. I would like to reiterate and emphasise that while people would no doubt like to know the direct source of the documents, and my role in it, this is now just background noise and of little direct consequence in moving things forward. The authenticity of the documents has now been established beyond reasonable doubt, so if these documents are to be the catalyst that fundamentally changes the discussion, I would urge people to get behind Richard Dolan, Grant Cameron and numerous others now getting on board to get the job done.

https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/06/new-questions-and-answers-james-rigney.html?m=1

[Star Tsar]

Live from UFONNS


UFO News Network Sunday

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Disinformation Exposed

Live @ Time of posting | Recorded & Published 24th June 2019

Frank and Chant discuss startling new evidence regarding the Admiral Wilson "documents" and recap this affair from the beginning.

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[section9]

Gathering as much information about this as I can at the moment, my current personal view is that this VERY interesting YouTube conversation (referred to above several times) is the most informative so far.

It offers some extremely valuable factual insights. Based on these, my current leaning is that this document has


at least been doctored for reasons unknown, and
may be an elaborate intel-level hoax/disinfo ploy, though based on some real events and people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9j5lulx1IQ[/url]

For the record, listening carefully to Grant Cameron, Rich Dolan, Steven Greer and others, I'm now changing my view: this does indeed seem likely to be authentic. (Though personally, I have to say, I'm more interested in the 'Alien Autopsy' document, which I believe is yet to surface.)

But I still have a couple of unanswered questions.


Will Miller's reservations about it all. He stated, sounding very reasonable, apparently willing to answer all questions, that the letter of his that's embedded in the Admiral Wilson document was a cut-and-paste compilation, and not a real letter of his. That's been pretty much brushed off as unimportant by the document's main advocates.



The rather dramatized, screenplay style of the notes. If the style is real and not a fiction, it has to have been from a dictaphone, which the explanation most advocates are proposing: in my opinion also rather as a brush-off of the important question. But is this known? It seems to me to be important.


Bill, it has occurred to me that there is one vitally important respect in which the documents might have been altered before they were leaked. I speak of the episode of Vice Admiral Wilson’s meeting with the contractors (which Dolan, iirc, assumes to be at Lockmart’s Skunkworks facility) in which they tell him that they are at a loss as to how the ship works.

If you wanted to mislead Foreign Powers as to what you have, you would deliberately hide any progress you might have made on back-engineering. This is a hunch on my part, but it’s an informed one, based on the unsure provenance of the original documents themselves.

[Praxis]

Gathering as much information about this as I can at the moment, my current personal view is that this VERY interesting YouTube conversation (referred to above several times) is the most informative so far.

It offers some extremely valuable factual insights. Based on these, my current leaning is that this document has


at least been doctored for reasons unknown, and
may be an elaborate intel-level hoax/disinfo ploy, though based on some real events and people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9j5lulx1IQ[/url]

For the record, listening carefully to Grant Cameron, Rich Dolan, Steven Greer and others, I'm now changing my view: this does indeed seem likely to be authentic. (Though personally, I have to say, I'm more interested in the 'Alien Autopsy' document, which I believe is yet to surface.)

But I still have a couple of unanswered questions.


Will Miller's reservations about it all. He stated, sounding very reasonable, apparently willing to answer all questions, that the letter of his that's embedded in the Admiral Wilson document was a cut-and-paste compilation, and not a real letter of his. That's been pretty much brushed off as unimportant by the document's main advocates.



The rather dramatized, screenplay style of the notes. If the style is real and not a fiction, it has to have been from a dictaphone, which the explanation most advocates are proposing: in my opinion also rather as a brush-off of the important question. But is this known? It seems to me to be important.


Bill, it has occurred to me that there is one vitally important respect in which the documents might have been altered before they were leaked. I speak of the episode of Vice Admiral Wilson’s meeting with the contractors (which Dolan, iirc, assumes to be at Lockmart’s Skunkworks facility) in which they tell him that they are at a loss as to how the ship works.

If you wanted to mislead Foreign Powers as to what you have, you would deliberately hide any progress you might have made on back-engineering. This is a hunch on my part, but it’s an informed one, based on the unsure provenance of the original documents themselves.

This actually very much dovetails with Bob Lazar and his information. He is pushing the idea that the SAP do not understand the tech they have. I believe they will use this as the mechanism to prevent the release of it until after it is "fully studied" by MITRE and all the tentacles of that beast.

Maybe that is why they were working with Russians. They were included in groups like Bobs to give the russians the impression that the US is working with them but it actually being a limited hangout where no progress happens. This gives the US plausible deniability to russia and creates a kind of stalemate.

[Star Tsar]

Latest from Tracy & Richard on the matter.


The Richard Dolan Show

Intelligent Disclosure | Answering Questions on the Wilson Leak & More

Streamed & Published 25th June 2019

After a few days of being away, Richard and Tracey are back, once again discussing the most important UFO-related leak of the 21st century. This time we will be answering your questions.

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[Bill Ryan]

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It's so interesting to listen to this — and to Richard's previous livestreams on the subject.

Richard does a good job, as always. But frustration, and a sharper edge, is becoming visible. And also, an element of elitism. I do have to say this.

He's referred now several times to a consensus among the foremost researchers in the field [my paraphrase]. The edge in that comment is a little like: lesser persons don't know what they're talking about. That may be correct! But it doesn't sound very nice, or very statesmanlike. He has a lot of emotion linked to this.

While his stated values as a researcher are always present, he makes several references to this as a kind of 'game' which other researchers will lose [again, my paraphrase]. Yet Chant Hannah and Frank Stalter (UFONN Sunday) have raised two very important questions, and maybe more:



Commander Will Miller has stated on record (without being defensive or aggressive in any way) that the included 'letter' of his was fabricated. He went on to say that he doubted the entire document was authentic.

He co-operated with Chant Hannah to the degree that he actually looked for the letter in his own records, and failed to find it. This comes over as very being credible.

This can NOT be dismissed by Richard Dolan without him also talking to Will Miller — which he's not done. If Richard is a researcher, he can be a researcher by doing this. Not by dismissing another in the field who's working hard and honestly to establish facts and evidence. All this matters.



A member of AFIO (The Association of Former Intelligence Officers)issued the following denial that Admiral Wilson had ever attended their Las Vegas event. That's important, too.

http://projectavalon.net/Adm_Wilson_AFIO_denial.gif

That screenshot comes from 18:58 in this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=c3hNloT7pOk.


I'm not saying that the document's not authentic. Personally, I'm not sure right now. But I'm not going to be compelled by Richard's rather uncharacteristic "Trust me. If you disagree, you're simply wrong."

It may possibly be [for some reason] an altered version of real material, with real content. The referenced 1997 meeting does seem to have happened, and that's not in question. But the proponents of the importance of the document do need to address these questions — or they're unlikely to go away.

[Intranuclear]

Yes, I too was a little taken back by his "insistence" of the legitimacy of the document, although perhaps I can forgive him as he is being "harassed" by the same obvious questions over and over and over.
Ultimately he is begging for people to look at the content of the document even if the doc itself is fake because many parts of the content have been demonstrated to be legitimate (I avoided the word true).
I am a bit curious as to why people think this doc is the doc of all docs. Everything in the doc has been uncovered for decades.
The way Richard explains this is that this doc will embarrass TTSA and prevent them from controlling the narrative.
I guess we'll see as more Unidentified episodes emerge.

[Did You See Them]

At some point soon I feel, something is going to have to be "presented" to the world that is more than gun footage and documents - especially if they want to convince the general populations of the planet of the "threat" that "they" pose.

We can all talk about the "good ones" later, whilst still being fleeced (sorry !) Informed.

As for the documents - confirmation of source is all important.

[Clear Light]

I'm not saying that the document's not authentic. Personally, I'm not sure right now. But I'm not going to be compelled by Richard's rather uncharacteristic "Trust me. If you disagree, you're simply wrong."

It may possibly be [for some reason] an altered version of real material, with real content. The referenced 1997 meeting does seem to have happened, and that's not in question. But the proponents of the importance of the document do need to address these questions — or they're unlikely to go away.

Oh, I wonder if perhaps it may be worth sending a message to Jimmy Church in advance of his Coast to Coast show scheduled for tomorrow as both his Guests are very relevant to your points of concern Bill ? :typing:

https://twitter.com/JChurchRadio/status/1144674725005688832

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Or maybe use the Project Avalon Twitter account @AvalonForum (https://twitter.com/AvalonForum) eh ? :idea:

[Cognitive Dissident]

This is a good overview of where we are now from Richard Dolan https://youtu.be/bLfl7neBx7M

About the document itself, I think we can expect Miller to deny the letter given Wilson’s angry reaction to it. And whether Wilson attended one public meeting may not be conclusive either.

If the provenance was from Edgar Mitchell’s files that would be supportive but not conclusive either. Grant Cameron’s release of the Bigelow letter to Edgar Mitchell about NIDS also supports this.

Perhaps Dolan is convinced because he saw two pages of the note 5 years ago and still remembers the quote “not made by man - not by human ages”, which you have to admit is one for the ages.

I’m inclined to think that the note is authentic but not to believe all the contents. Some military guy says that UFOs are real but abductions are not - I’m skeptical.

Overall I think things are beginning to shift for the reasons given by Dolan in his video above as well as perhaps some metaphysical/cosmic influences which are even less well understood... interesting time to be in a human body, for sure.

[Gemma13]

What would be of overwhelming benefit to both Humans and ET for Mutual Disclosure with assured minimal disruption?

If we can answer that for them, perhaps we will get it.

[Clear Light]

Oh, the following screenshot is comprised of three smaller images from the same Facebook post to present what I "feel" is most pertinent in regards to the subject of this thread (not to mention getting it to "fit" onto the screen LOL :bigsmile: ) :

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So it's from Grant Cameron's FB post (here (https://www.facebook.com/presidentialufo/posts/10219705961623928)) in which he tells of his telephone conversation (just hours ago) with Richard Doty, here's the text from the image above :


"After watching Rick Doty for 30 years I finally got to talk to him today about recent events. Yes it was interesting and enlightening"

"I will just relate what he told me such as he worked for Hal Puthoff from 1994 to 2006"

"The only thing I wanted to explain is that I have not seen the documents before, but the material in the documents is accurate. There was a discussion. There were emails being sent between a number of people during the time I worked for Dr. Puthoff. The contents are real." Richard Doty who was employed by Hal Puthoff from 1994 to almost 2006"

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[Clear Light]

Oh, for any interested, here's the Audio (225Mb) of last night's / this morning's (depending on your TimeZone) four hour "Coast to Coast" show that I extracted from Michael W. Hall's Facebook video presentation of it :

MP3 - Michael W. Hall - COAST TO COAST AM, with host JC, guests SG and RD (https://drive.google.com/open?id=18wuoRlLC9xhJyvnVtMH2hQuj20Wfkl69)

IF you want the original (1Gb), it's available from (at least) these two FB accounts :

https://www.facebook.com/michaelhall3200
https://www.facebook.com/UFO-i-TEAM-1482873385129001

So the show itself starts at about the 18 minute mark with Steven Greer as the guest for the first half and then Richard Dolan for the second half !

But unfortunately I now have to go to "work" and will most likely get back to it later on ... Happy Listening eh ? :happythumbsup:

[Did You See Them]

Not sure were to post this - I don't want to make it a separate threads so mods please move to somewhere appropriate.

"Tech CEOs Want To Capture UFOs And Reverse Engineer Them"

Tech moguls including CEOs from Silicon Valley have expressed their interest in getting their hands on UFO technology in order to reverse engineer it. By doing so, they believe they’ll be able to make alien technology more accessible to the public.

As reports of UFO sightings increase, including the actual revelations of U.S. Navy pilots regarding their own encounters, a group of entrepreneurs have started eyeing alien technology as their next investment opportunity.

One of these is Deep Prasad, the CEO of the quantum computing start-up ReactiveQ. Prasad aims to study UFOs for the purpose of analyzing their technology. He believes alien technology can be reverse engineered and used to propel Earth’s own technological advancements.

“In front of our eyes are technologies underlying these UFOs that are far beyond our understanding and capabilities of recreating,” Prasad told Vice. “If we pay close attention and reverse these technologies to bring to the masses, we will see a world with interstellar travel at our fingertips.”

https://www.ibtimes.com/tech-ceos-want-capture-ufos-reverse-engineer-them-2803920

[Bill Ryan]

Oh, for any interested, here's the Audio (225Mb) of last night's / this morning's (depending on your TimeZone) four hour "Coast to Coast" show that I extracted from Michael W. Hall's Facebook video presentation of it :

MP3 - Michael W. Hall - COAST TO COAST AM, with host JC, guests SG and RD (https://drive.google.com/open?id=18wuoRlLC9xhJyvnVtMH2hQuj20Wfkl69)

IF you want the original (1Gb), it's available from (at least) these two FB accounts :

https://www.facebook.com/michaelhall3200
https://www.facebook.com/UFO-i-TEAM-1482873385129001

So the show itself starts at about the 18 minute mark with Steven Greer as the guest for the first half and then Richard Dolan for the second half !

But unfortunately I now have to go to "work" and will most likely get back to it later on ... Happy Listening eh ? :happythumbsup:

THX. Now in the Avalon library: :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20Michael%20W.%20Hall%2C%20Steven%20Gteer%20and%20Richard%20Dolan%20-%20the%20Admiral%20WIlson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019).mp3

[Praxis]

at minute 38, whoever is talking mentions the fact that this is a J2 man that is being denied access by a private contractor.

I have only just now put together that the National Intelligence Program, which is distinct and different from the Military intelligence Program, also has private business entities that they run in order to run cover for intel operations. I am sure many here are aware of Air American and the CIA but there are many others.

So if this is correct the military either is positioning itself to look like it is not in control of/ or it is actually not in control of what has been happening with the secret from a ceratin point in time to now, because they probably first got a hold of the secret with MJ12 but then which organization took it over as the years past?

The National Intelligence Program(NIP) and their proprietaries, which is how they are referenced in the Church Committee Report.

I will put some relevant passages here(the numbers refer to page numbers of Church Committee volume 1):

207 What is the insurance complex!
In paramilitary operations, airlift and sealift by Agency-owned
carriers has many advantages: flexibility, security, ability to implant
technical collection devices, etc. CIA agents, who engage in hazardous
activities which would ordinarily make them uninsurable, can
obtain commercial insurance at standard or subsidized rates via a conglomerate
of CIA-owned insurance companies. In foreign locations
where actual contact with the nearest CIA station is not operationally
discreet, proprietaries provide payroll channels and other administrative
services for Agency personnel. Firms based in locations with permissive
corporate laws and regulations can also engage in many
activities unrelated to their charters. For example, insurance firms can
acquire real estate for operational purposes on a non-attributed basis.


The Agency would deny that private investment is a purpose of
proprietaries. Agency officials state that standing policy prohibits the
investment of CIA operational funds in the private sector without explicit
authorization by the DCI. Actually, the existence of proprietary
enterprises which occasionally returned sizable profits, indicates that
private investment may indeed have been a widespread Agency policy.
Moreover, the Agency has specifically authorized its insurance complex
to act as an institutional investor for its own funds and those of
other proprietaries. Thus, the extent of private investment by the
Agency is actually a question of definition and shading.

208
The evidence received by the committee indicates that the activities
of all agency proprietaries support the CIA's foreign intelligence
collection or covert action missions. Some proprietaries are located
within the United States for reasons of operational or administrative
necessity, thus there is a domestic infrastructure, but their ultimate
impact is overseas.


In one area, the insurance complex, serious
questions remain as to the propriety of using such a mechanism to
provide insurance and retirement benefits for agency employees.

209
The insurance complex provides a mechanism for both the payment
of annuities and other benefits to sensitive agents, and self-insurance
of risks involved in covert operations. The complex was formed in
1962 as a clandestine commercial support mechanism to provide death
and disability benefits to agents or their beneficiari s when security
considerations precluded payments which might be attributable to
the United States Government.

This company developed business contracts with agencies of the
Federal Government and commercial firms. Because the provisions
of the "Anti-Pinkerton Act" 5 prohibit a company engaged in investigative
work from contracting with the Federal Government, the
Agency formed a separate company to manage commercial firms as
funding mechanisms for investigative work levied by the Office of
Security. The new company was headquartered in California. As
activity expanded and work increased, a third corporation was organi7ed
and headquartered in California.

217 The insurance complex
This proprietary is a complex of insurance companies, most of
which are located abroad, operated by the Agency to provide the following
services:
(i) Handling of risks ostensibly covered under commercially
issued policies;
(ii) extending term life insurance, annuities, trusts and
workmen's compensation to Agency employees who are not
entitled to United States Government benefits;
(iii) handling escrow accounts for agents; and,
(iv) limited operational support and investment activities.'
5
Origin.-Prompted by the Bay of Pigs losses, the complex was
created in 1962 to provide death and disability benefits to agents and
beneficiaries when security considerations preclude attribution to the
United States Government. Lawrence Houston, retired General Counsel
of the Agency, testified that his office established the insuranceinvestment
complex, because his staff was responsible for all problems
related to the death or disability of employees during the course of
their Agency work. These problems were all handled in what Houston
called a very "sketchy way" which he felt was undesirable from all
points of view. When the Agency went into air proprietaries on a large
scale, additional risks arose which simply could not be underwritten
commercially.


The Current Status.-All of the clients of the project are Agency
employees.17a The complex was originally capitalized in 1962 with $4
million. Most of the assets are held outside the United States and the
companies do not write insurance in the United States. Each of the
United States companies pays little tax and is audited by a proprietary
firm. This method of self-insurance enables the Agency to funnel money
where needed in any of its project categories. Currently, 60 percent of
the investments are in long-term interest bearing securities abroad, 20
percent in off-shore time deposits in United States banks, and the balance
is in common stocks, debentures and commercial paper of various
types. In the past twelve years the sale of stocks has resulted in profits
in excess of $500,000 accruing to the CIA. The combined total assets
of the complex are in excess of $30 million, including its retained net
earnings of approximately $9 million.



Now we have a clear picture of what is being set up. The military is going to have the NIP getting rake over the coals for what has happened. This works well with what I feel Bob Lazar is doing, even if unintentionally as I fully believe Bob saying legit things and that he believes they are legit as well.

What is interesting is that this process is changing as we speak. They recently Renamed and tasked the Defense Security Service (DSS), which was only added the IC officially in 2018, and combine it with the NBIB, the background checker people. Now everything is handled by the DCSA, if i recall correctly and the ODNI is now the Executive Security Agent for the Federal Government.

and since i love me some documents WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-transferring-responsibility-background-investigations-department-defense/

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/ic-legal-reference-book/executive-order-13467

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/ncsc-how-we-work/ncsc-security-executive-agent

SO my point is Trump is changing who gets to know what in interesting ways right now. I honestly dont know what this all means. Which really does beg the questions: Why did Trump hide those JFK files? I personally believe the NSAM 271 was the reason he was murdered. They needed more time to set up the NIP taking the fall for mostly Military Intelligence Program Decisions?

https://www.jfklibrary.org/asset-viewer/archives/JFKNSF/342/JFKNSF-342-015

[Star Tsar]

Anthony Sanchez shares his perspective...


The SRC Podcast

Episode 13 | UFO Disclosure, The Admiral Wilson Notes, UFO LEAK OF THE CENTURY

Streamed & Published 2nd July 2019

In episode 013 guest Stephen S. visits Anthony Sanchez and shares his thoughts with Anthony on UFO Disclosure, The Admiral Wilson Notes, UFO LEAK OF THE CENTURY

Discussed: Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program, Alien Reproduction Vehicles, ARVs, ATTIP, Bigelow Aerospace, Col. John B. Alexander, Department of Defense, Disclosure, Dr. Hal Puthoff, Dr. Steven Greer, Edgar Dean Mitchell, Electrogravitic Propulsion, Grant Cameron, Lockheed Martin, Luis Elizondo, Michael Schratt, Michael W. Hall, National Institute for Discovery Science, NIDS, propulsion physics, Richard Dolan, Robert Bigelow, Roswell UFO incident, Secret Special Access Programs, Skunk Works, Stealth B-2 Spirit Bomber, the Admiral Wilson Notes, The Aviary, To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences, Tom DeLonge, UFO LEAK OF THE CENTURY, Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, USAP, Zero Point Energy.

gM_SrEa8JYA

[Praxis]

And I quote on

June 12th 2019
Hal Putoff official response to the Wilson document

"With regard to authenticity, we have no comment on the documents recently being circulated as some of us still retained US government security clearance and remain bound by the secrecy oaths we have taken; we believe it is the best interest of the United States Government, and ourselves, not to comment on any documents that purport to describe classified US government programs or information."

EDIT

At minute 3 11 42 Jimmy church in the middle of a news break about AI that read emotion, taunts a michael in the audience for not being sincere because the smile didnt reach their eyes.

"So I know you are not being sincere, Think about that, With our guest RICHARD DOLAN. It is his birthday. . . "

In a very VERY sassy tone. Almost taunting this Michael for it being Dolan and only Dolan as guest.

Am I completely misreading this?

Ok So I must admit, I dont know who Michael Hall is. Can someone fill me in with why Jimmy is beefing with him?

Or is Jimmy saying that to a different Michael?

Michael completely didnt engage it and talked about that text he got about the love for that one researcher(Leslie ?)

[Clear Light]

And I quote on

June 12th 2019
Hal Putoff official response to the Wilson document

"With regard to authenticity, we have no comment on the documents recently being circulated as some of us still retained US government security clearance and remain bound by the secrecy oaths we have taken; we believe it is the best interest of the United States Government, and ourselves, not to comment on any documents that purport to describe classified US government programs or information."

EDIT

At minute 3 11 42 Jimmy church in the middle of a news break about AI that read emotion, taunts a michael in the audience for not being sincere because the smile didnt reach their eyes.

"So I know you are not being sincere, Think about that, With our guest RICHARD DOLAN. It is his birthday. . . "

In a very VERY sassy tone. Almost taunting this Michael for it being Dolan and only Dolan as guest.

Am I completely misreading this?

Ok So I must admit, I dont know who Michael Hall is. Can someone fill me in with why Jimmy is beefing with him?

Or is Jimmy saying that to a different Michael?

Michael completely didnt engage it and talked about that text he got about the love for that one researcher(Leslie ?)

Oh, Praxis, I haven't yet got round to listening to the second half of the Audio I posted but IF it's the same Michael who Jimmy is talking about, he was mentioned earlier in this thread, in posts #69 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107333-Termed-The-UFO-Leak-Of-The-Century-by-R.-Dolan-The-Notes-between-Dr.-Eric-Davis-and-Admiral-Thomas-Wilson&p=1299075&viewfull=1#post1299075) and #70 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107333-Termed-The-UFO-Leak-Of-The-Century-by-R.-Dolan-The-Notes-between-Dr.-Eric-Davis-and-Admiral-Thomas-Wilson&p=1299077&viewfull=1#post1299077) ... please consider #70 as the continuation of #69 where I had "snipped" it for brevity ?

Here's question and answer number 1 from them :


Questions and answers


Q1. There is speculation that you possess additional Mitchell documents. Grant Cameron, on yesterday's Spaced Out Radio interview mentioned the subject of at least one. Do you indeed, have more Mitchell sourced documents? If so, would they add significantly to what has already emerged, or are they of lesser interest? Could you describe them, in whatever manner you prefer?


A1. As I explained in my statement to Richard Dolan, there are more documents, but it would be wrong to assume that these are as significant as the two principle documents. In any event, these are with Grant's lawyer, Michael W. Hall, and may or may not be released in the future. Please bear in mind that the people in control of these decisions share the objective to move things forward as effectively as possible, so that any decision to reveal future documents will be considered in this light.

I hope this helps eh ?

:sherlock:

[Bill Ryan]

I dont know who Michael Hall is. Can someone fill me in with why Jimmy is beefing with him?

Michael W. Hall is Grant Cameron's lawyer, who's been kind of Cameron's supporting spokesman about this whole affair. He was interviewed by Chant Hannah and Frank Stalter (UFONN Sunday) in the video here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107333-Termed-The-UFO-Leak-Of-The-Century-by-R.-Dolan-The-Notes-between-Dr.-Eric-Davis-and-Admiral-Thomas-Wilson&p=1297347&viewfull=1#post1297347). And very interesting that was, too.

I've not yet listened to the C2C show, so I have no idea why Jimmy Church said that. I'm now motivated to find out. :)

[Clear Light]

Meh, now whether or not JC was in actual fact watching (from the C2C Studio) Michael's facebook page as it was being broadcast, I don't know :noidea:

But nevertheless for anyone curious, here's a link to a (3Mb) 46 second video clip of that particular "oddity" : here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16heOOpUmv_mqxLCTirTMOpIJcsr859a9/view) :sherlock:

[Carmody]

There is, to my mind, a couple of pathways here.

If tech CEO's think they are going to get their hands on alien tech and get bigger or more potent, they are sadly mistaken.

what will happen is that they quickly evolve in the single lifetime to something that cares not for the physical, and gain enlightenment...or...

They go hardcore animal and make it into a hammer.

the hammer side is the one that puts it in the realm of things like the suspected reptilians, where everything is formalized and does not change for 50-100k years. That's a ritualistic culture and society that is frozen and dead, essentially. No change=no future=death. I'm fairly sure they would not see it that way, as they are, if existing as stated, not desiring to change.

those would tend to be the cultures and societies that can deal with high technological intrusion. It does not affect them as it does not really register in the areas of growth.

As well, when we get to time/dimension/anti-gravity -those devices and effects.. we are skirting the edge of reality and the next place to go..really is --non locality, as in -no physicality.

So, the option are frozen in time as a non changing culture/society, or, move to not being here in this place at all.

For humans, who tend to be in a rush to evolve, they would generally find high tech of such nature to be...uhm... dissolutional, in the final analysis.

so, tech giants, be careful what you wish for, you might get it. And if you do, you won't be the same person that went in. No, not at all.

Ie, that anti-gravity, by it's very nature, will have transmutation, dimensional crossing, dimensional instability, temporal displacement, and positional displacement issues (warp drive type stuff), all inside the same tech. Crack one of these things... and the rest, almost everything you can imagine...comes along for the ride. And an intelligent human is left with no defense against their emergent understanding. It's the end of physicality, basically.

It almost dictates that any visitors to the planet are of the frozen in time, more automaton-ish low emotion types. As understanding ...brings about the conditions for dissolution....no need to be physical.

Also, the idea of tyrants and problems from tyrants. I don't think any tyrants are in the loop, in the true knowing. Being a tyrant and understanding this technology can't easily co-exist, if at all. It would have to be of the boomstick - fire water simpleton area. Once one understands how the technology works and what it means, then all animal ambition tends to fall away. That the entire universe and more is in you as well as everyone and everything else, and that you will judge yourself for your behaviour and mete out a counter to equal it, in the future. That there is nothing to win. That winning or losing does not exist. The constant craving makes it so. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXqPjx94YMg) (-"Constant craving” relates to samsara, the Buddhist cycle of birth and death", ...-KD Lang)

[Bill Ryan]

I listed to the first half (the first two hours) of the 30 June Coast to Coast show — the half with Steven Greer.

I'm no fan of Greer, but here I felt he was VERY impressive. (The second half, with Richard Dolan, is for today. :thumbsup: )

I found the commentary by Michael W. Hall redundant and of almost zero value. So for easier listening, here's the entire thing with no commentary, and no breaks:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20the%20Admiral%20Wilson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019)%20Hour%201%2C%20Steven%20Greer.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20the%20Admiral%20Wilson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019)%20Hour%202%2C%20Steven%20Greer.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20the%20Admiral%20Wilson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019)%20Hour%203%2C%20Richard%20Dolan.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20the%20Admiral%20Wilson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019)%20Hour%204%2C%20Richard%20Dolan.mp3

[AutumnW]

Yes, Greer is looking a little more respectable lately. I've found myself kind of hoping things work out well for him, and hoping too that he doesn't take over the discussion.

And am also a bit surprised that this latest revelation lends credence to his interpretation of his dinner date with former CIA director James Woolsey and others.

Sad he had to turn it all into a commercial enterprise though. He is highly narcissistic, but the thing about narcissists is they are good entertainers, have a compelling presence and can get things done, just through ego alone.

And with Greer his own deep interest in the subject has, like a tiny life boat, kept him bobbing along in a river of fact, imagination and intentional b.s. that he helped create.

[Chester]

One can never be sure what has already appeared on the Project Avalon forum, but if this has yet to be posted...

The Dolos Review Group: How the Admiral Thomas Wilson UFO Document Exposed The Complicity Between Department of Defense Officials and Rogue Special Access Programs (https://theadmiralthomaswilsonufodocument.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-admiral-thomas-wilson-document-exposes-department-of-defense-complicity.html)

I can't imagine a better analysis

[boja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5P04uI2hu0

Credit to Jay at PROJECT UNITY

Featuring Mr. X as the key speaker, Project Unity presents the most comprehensive analysis of one of the most important document leaks in UFO history. A series of notes / transcripts, written by the Fmr CSO of EarthTech International, Dr. Eric W. Davis, regarding a meeting he had with the 13th Director of the DIA, Admiral Thomas R. Wilson, the discussion between these two individuals was in regards to UFO related black programs, specifically, a UFO reverse engineering program, one that Admiral Wilson was denied his legal rights to have access to and oversight of.

Sharing this video is highly encouraged and our hope is that it may serve as a reference point for the inevitable media coverage of this extremely important document leak.

EWD NOTES: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mqh...

The structure of the presentation is as follows:

- A Brief Overview of Events
- Full Breakdown of Notes (visual aids included)
- Questions & Answers session

EDIT :- Replacement Link :-
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mqhBsOjAxf1edp38hXlolSACekc6BUQn

[Denise/Dizi]

Omg thank you boja
HAHA

my dog literally turned the video off when I started to watch it.. silly puppy... GREAT VIDEO!!! Do I have your permission to keep a copy of this video for further reflections?

Hugs,
Denise

[Richter]

Excellent video, extremely interesting

About the subject of reverse engineering, here's a very good article.


Roswell UFO Cannot Be Reverse Engineered - Defense Contractors Take Millions Knowing Task Is Impossible
By Anthony Bragalia ​(Copyright 2019)

The crash of an unknown vehicle and its pilots in early July 1947 near Roswell, New Mexico is still surrounded by many secrets. Perhaps the most disturbing of these secrets are ones of financial fraud and of false hope. These secrets are revealed here and now:

Department of Defense contractors tasked to unravel how extraterrestrial craft operate – and who are supposedly conducting “reverse engineering” – are taking money to accomplish this knowing that they cannot possibly ever do so.

These DOD contractors are well aware that they are being paid to produce results, and yet have found only minimal value in the study of the craft found fallen near Roswell despite the passage of decades.

This is supported by first-hand witness testimony from Wright, the statements of a former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, analysis by two eminent science writers, and the actions of a US Senate insider.

It is clear that while technical studies of the craft continue over years, they are based on misplaced efforts and wasted expenditures. And these efforts and expenditures are being exploited for profit in a major way by these engaged contractors. They continue to string along their black budget paymasters with “progress reports” on a project for which, by its very nature, progress can never be made.

CONTINUE: https://nationalufocenter.com/2019/08/filers-files-33-2019-ufo-cannot-be-reverse-engineered/

[Intranuclear]

This video is gold.
I noticed it's been taken down or at least it says that it's private.
I wonder why :)

[Denise/Dizi]

This video is gold.
I noticed it's been taken down or at least it says that it's private.
I wonder why :)

I saw that.. It's a good thing I got to see it first!.. Right before I had to go to the optometrist.. Who would think the eye Dr. would be working at a time like this right? Now if only my oral surgeon would open up his dang office, I need to go to the dentist lol.

[boja]

According to JAY at PROJECT UNITY on Twitter, the loss of the video is only TEMPORARY :-

"If you’re wondering where the Admiral Wilson Leaks video has gone, it has been made private, this is not permanent but it is extremely important. It will become more clear soon but right now I can’t answer questions regarding this. Just wanted you all to know, there’s a reason :)"
Project Unity
@TheProjectUnity
·
19h
"Dolan approves of our Admiral Wilson analysis video, when you have a spare 3 hours and 17 minutes you should check it out!"

[Tintin]

According to JAY at PROJECT UNITY on Twitter, the loss of the video is only TEMPORARY :-

"If you’re wondering where the Admiral Wilson Leaks video has gone, it has been made private, this is not permanent but it is extremely important. It will become more clear soon but right now I can’t answer questions regarding this. Just wanted you all to know, there’s a reason :)"
Project Unity
@TheProjectUnity
·
19h
"Dolan approves of our Admiral Wilson analysis video, when you have a spare 3 hours and 17 minutes you should check it out!"

Yes :thumbsup:

I look forward to seeing what comes out on the video too.

Here's another related tweet providing a little more information on the "why":

1262392863448600577

[Cardillac]

the posted video is no longer available according to my pc here in Germany-

Larry

[Clear Light]

Oh, out of curiosity has much changed recently with regards to the Admiral Wilson documents does anyone know please ?

The last I was aware was from roughly one year ago with this Avalon thread :

Termed "The UFO Leak Of The Century" by R. Dolan: The Notes between Dr. Eric Davis and Admiral Thomas Wilson (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107333-Termed-The-UFO-Leak-Of-The-Century-by-R.-Dolan-The-Notes-between-Dr.-Eric-Davis-and-Admiral-Thomas-Wilson) (June 2019)

But Project Unity (https://www.youtube.com/user/DefinedART/videos) seems to be implying something is possibly happening "behind the scenes" eh ?

43665


BoxerfanUK lets just say this video could be playing an important role and for that reason it has to go quiet, but only for a moment and believe me, if what potentially could happen does happen, it will be worth it 100 times over, for all of us!

:sherlock:

[Deneon]

Did anyone by any chance download a copy of this video before it was taken offline?

[Intranuclear]

Yup. It was mentioned above that the link would become available again, but seems like that did not happen. Fortunately I downloaded it.
I don't know if I can upload it here. Not sure what the data limitations are.

[Frank V]

Yup. It was mentioned above that the link would become available again, but seems like that did not happen. Fortunately I downloaded it.
I don't know if I can upload it here. Not sure what the data limitations are.

You cannot upload videos as attachments. However, if you send the video to Bill or Tintin, then they can add it to the Library, and then it can be linked to from within a post. ;)

[Clear Light]

Yup. It was mentioned above that the link would become available again, but seems like that did not happen. Fortunately I downloaded it.
I don't know if I can upload it here. Not sure what the data limitations are.

You cannot upload videos as attachments. However, if you send the video to Bill or Tintin, then they can add it to the Library, and then it can be linked to from within a post. ;)

Oh, or depending on its size there's also the option of WeTransfer.COM because as it's around three hours in length I'm guessing it's probably several 100Mb's in total eh ?

:idea:

[Frank V]

Yup. It was mentioned above that the link would become available again, but seems like that did not happen. Fortunately I downloaded it.
I don't know if I can upload it here. Not sure what the data limitations are.

You cannot upload videos as attachments. However, if you send the video to Bill or Tintin, then they can add it to the Library, and then it can be linked to from within a post. ;)

Oh, or depending on its size there's also the option of WeTransfer.COM because as it's around three hours in length I'm guessing it's probably several 100Mb's in total eh ?

:idea:

Oh yes, even in low-definition. And in high-definition, you're looking at several GiB. <nodding>

[Intranuclear]

Thanks for the suggestion.
Just uploaded to WeTransfer.com.
Here is the link: https://we.tl/t-9TQ5tU0WHs

The link expires in 7 days.
The file is about 658MB, not too bad for a 3 hour video.

[Tintin]

Thanks for the suggestion.
Just uploaded to WeTransfer.com.
Here is the link: https://we.tl/t-9TQ5tU0WHs

The link expires in 7 days.
The file is about 658MB, not too bad for a 3 hour video.

You little beauty :)

Just downloading now :thumbsup:

[Deneon]

Thank you!

[palehorse]

Yup. It was mentioned above that the link would become available again, but seems like that did not happen. Fortunately I downloaded it.
I don't know if I can upload it here. Not sure what the data limitations are.

You cannot upload videos as attachments. However, if you send the video to Bill or Tintin, then they can add it to the Library, and then it can be linked to from within a post. ;)

Oh, or depending on its size there's also the option of WeTransfer.COM because as it's around three hours in length I'm guessing it's probably several 100Mb's in total eh ?

:idea:

I have a copy here, it is 1.2gb in size, also i made it available here https://www.brighteon.com/609d8b25-f42d-44b3-96e3-00fd705f894c
The video still processing, may be available shortly.

EDIT: The video is already available on brighteon.com, I just checked it.

[Clear Light]

One can never be sure what has already appeared on the Project Avalon forum, but if this has yet to be posted...

The Dolos Review Group: How the Admiral Thomas Wilson UFO Document Exposed The Complicity Between Department of Defense Officials and Rogue Special Access Programs (https://theadmiralthomaswilsonufodocument.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-admiral-thomas-wilson-document-exposes-department-of-defense-complicity.html)

I can't imagine a better analysis

Oh, it appears that whole blogspot website (link above) has been taken and there doesn't seem to be an Archive of it anywhere, however its Author who goes by the nom-de-plume of Kosh is a member of Richard Dolan's website :


One of the members of this website (Kosh) has undertaken a deep analysis of the leaked 2002 document from Dr. Eric Davis concerning his meeting with Admiral Thomas R. Wilson. This is very significant work. I am honored to be able to communicate with Kosh and discuss this and related matters, as his level of detail and logical analysis are both exceptional.

What you will see in this article is a detailed discussion of the leaked notes that demonstrates much more than the existence of four UFO-related Special Access Programs (SAPs) within the classified files of OUSDAT (Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology). Kosh shows very clearly in his discussion of this document that the programs are, for all intents and purposes, rogue programs without proper oversight that would be considered illegal by any American citizen with an ounce of common sense.

There is of course much more. I encourage you to visit his blogsite and especially this latest iteration of his ongoing analysis of this critically important leaked document.


https://theadmiralthomaswilsonufodocument.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-admiral-thomas-wilson-document-exposes-department-of-defense-complicity.html

I think I can speak for everyone, Kosh, when I thank you sincerely for this excellent work. We respect your desire for anonymity. Personally, I look forward to your further contributions.

Richard

From : Richard Dolan "Important Analysis of the Wilson Document" (https://richarddolanmembers.com/free-content/important-analysis-of-the-wilson-document/)

Of note in the comments :


Richard Dolan / February 8, 2020

The author took it down but I have it and will try to repost it with his permission.

:sherlock:

[Tintin]

Thanks for the suggestion.
Just uploaded to WeTransfer.com.
Here is the link: https://we.tl/t-9TQ5tU0WHs

The link expires in 7 days.
The file is about 658MB, not too bad for a 3 hour video.

You little beauty :)

Just downloading now :thumbsup:

This has now been moved to the Avalon Library ahead of the library going back online again, so, along with all other content there it won't yet be viewable.

Thank you again (and to palehorse who has kindly made it available for the wider world community on Brighteon, on this post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111020-Ultimate-Breakdown-of-Admiral-Wilson-UFO-Leaks&p=1358242&viewfull=1#post1358242))

[Clear Light]

From : Richard Dolan "Important Analysis of the Wilson Document" (https://richarddolanmembers.com/free-content/important-analysis-of-the-wilson-document/)

Of note in the comments :


Richard Dolan / February 8, 2020

The author took it down but I have it and will try to repost it with his permission.

:sherlock:

Ah, it seems as if our "prayers have been answered" as a DropBox URL (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1c81w6urcb5hfwv/The Annotated Admiral Thomas Wilson UFO Document.pdf) was posted to the above thread just a few days ago (30th May) eh ? :clapping:

So it looks like someone else had the same idea but managed to actually capture a Cached version of it before it disappeared from sight eh ? :thumbsup:

It begins thus :


This is Google's cache of https://theadmiralthomaswilsonufodocument.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-annotated-admiral-thomas-wilson-ufo-document.html. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 9 Jan 2020 17:47:40 GMT

It contains a series of images and lots of empty pages too but for a more readable (reconstructed) version of it please use this link here : The Annotated Admiral Thomas Wilson UFO Document (https://www.s1monlock.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/The-Annotated-Admiral-Thomas-Wilson-UFO-Document.pdf) ;)

Happy Reading Folks :ufo:

[Deneon]

Turns out Steve Greenstreet did ask Eric Davis about the Wilson notes in that interview in The Basement Office:

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[Clear Light]

Turns out Steve Greenstreet did ask Eric Davis about the Wilson notes in that interview in The Basement Office:

Oh, it seems the above video has apparently been made Private (or taken down) temporarily because :

https://twitter.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1269360975364239360

However, for those interested here's the Transcript of it :


SG: Tell me about the Admiral Wilson transcript ?
ED: I can't discuss that. I'm not at liberty to discuss it.
SG: Cos you're all over them
ED: Oh, I know
SG: All over it
ED: Yeah, they were leaked out of Edgar Mitchell's Estate, and there is nothing I can say about it - Ha !!! [1]
SG: I mean can you speak to the veracity of them ?
ED: No, I can't address that at all ... I won't answer any questions on the Admiral Wilson notes.
SG: You don't wanna speak to at least whether these are ...
ED: You know they're reportedly Classified Information, I'm not at liberty to confirm or verify any aspect of those notes ... you know when you have security clearances that's something you don't want to violate because the department of justice under the Obama administration and it's continued under the Trump administration policies, it is they will vigorously prosecute anybody with security clearances who will go out of the way to discussing classified information that got leaked or released into the public illegally or through other means ... so I can't address those notes in any form or fashion
SG: So, Canadian Grant Cameron uploaded 15 pages of documents, allegedly notes taken by Dr. Eric Davis in 2002, so whoever this Grant Cameron is, are you familiar with who this person is ?
ED: Oh, I used to know him yeah, he's a Canadian UFO investigator, he doesn't investigate UFO Phenomena, what he investigates is, his big claim to fame was investigating the US Presidents role in the UFO history
SG: Where did he get these 15 pages from ?
ED: I don't know, I've never seen whatever the pages are that he has, I haven't seen those

[ SG Holds up what I'd say looks like page three of the leaked notes to his Laptop's camera to show it to ED ]

SG: Like here is what appears to be a letter to you from a Will Miller
ED: OK, alright, well he uploaded it but I can't address any of it
SG: Alright, so is that a "yes, these are real, these are true" ?
ED: I won't give you an answer ... Laughs
SG: Alright


So I'd say for the time being it's a case of "watch this space (https://www.youtube.com/user/NYPost/videos)" eh ?

:sherlock:

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Ah, but with respect to ED's mention of his being restricted as to what he can / can't say about the information he is privy to, it is reminiscent of what Hal Puthoff said to Richard Dolan eh ?




Here is what Richard said in his presentation The Wilson Leak: Latest Developments. Richard Dolan The Big Picture (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e2kOzWsnxI) (15 Jun 2019) from the 39:15 mark :


... this is a "no comment" that I received three days ago on June 12 from Dr Hal Puthoff, and I'm gonna show this to you, this is directly out of my email, I have permission to show this, I asked explicitly, and he said sure and I am showing this here :

It reads : "Rich, With regards to authenticity, we have no comment on the documents recently being circulated. As some of us still retain USG security clearances and remain bound by the secrecy oaths we have taken, we believe it is in the best interest of the USG and ourselves not to comment on any documents that purport to describe classified USG programs or information. Best regards, Hal"

I would ask you to read that statement very carefully, rather than a simple denial, Dr Puthoff offers a very carefully worded non-denial. <deep breath> This is practically offering an explanation for his "no comment", it's as confirming a statement as a "no comment" can ever be, it's also noteworthy I think that he states "WE have no comment", clearly speaking for all parties concerned ..."

As ever, for "your" Consideration :)

:sherlock:

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[1] My "Incredulous" Emphasis Added ;)

[Kryztian]

John Greenwald on the Wilson/Davis documents. A good analysis and explanation as to why these documents seem like the work of Hollywood script writers.

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[Bill Ryan]

John Greenwald on the Wilson/Davis documents. A good analysis and explanation as to why these documents seem like the work of Hollywood script writers.

XHAo3spQnoAThanks! :) I fully agree there are some important questions, let us say, that have never yet been answered.

I wrote exactly the same thing in my post #33 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107333-Termed-The-UFO-Leak-Of-The-Century-by-R.-Dolan-The-Notes-between-Dr.-Eric-Davis-and-Admiral-Thomas-Wilson&p=1296939&viewfull=1#post1296939), almost precisely a year ago:

~~~



Here's the problem I have with this super-detailed report of the long and important conversation.

Did Eric Davis have a dictaphone in his pocket? Or has he got an extraordinary memory?

When I went to visit the vet about my dog a few days ago, I couldn't have written even one page of our detailed conversation in this way without being unsure that I may have missed or forgotten important parts of what he explained.

I'll say more. The summary is clearly dramatic and embellished. Something like this may very well have happened, but it's not a transcript — and can't be treated as one.

Who, when making factual notes about an important meeting, writes: (bottom of p.10)



EWD: What was this?
TW: Let me finish!
That's more like an amateur attempt at screenplay dialog. There are many other examples of this kind of thing.

All I'm saying here is that has to be taken into account... and I've not so far seen anyone mention it as an orange (not a red) flag.

[Richter]

I just read, by coincidence, a well written blog about the Wilson documents at https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com: 'Why did Edgar Mitchell get a copy of the Wilson/Davis document and why did his estate still have it in 2016?'

I start with the end.

A note of caution
Let us assume now, that the meeting between Davis and Wilson, in 2002, did occur. Furthermore, let us assume that what Wilson said happened, did in fact transpire. What exactly, do we have?

We have evidence that Wilson met some individuals who told him a story about reverse engineering a non-Earthly craft. However, does Wilson say he was shown that craft? No, he does not. Does Wilson have any evidence that such a craft physically exists? No, he does not. Does Wilson have a piece of an unknown fragment, which has been analyzed and shown to be extra-terrestrial? No, he does not. We simply have a story, told to a US government official. If it wasn't for Edgar Mitchell, we wouldn't even have that story. But, at the moment it remains, to my mind, simply a story.

CONTINUE: https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2020/06/why-did-edgar-mitchell-get-copy-of.html

[Kryztian]

Per Grant Cameron, The New York Times and The New York Post are interested in and working on stories on the Davis-Wilson document and something may be printed soon. At about (0:45) into this video.

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[Bill Ryan]

New from Richard Dolan, his first new public video in a month.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTCKx5pl490

[boja]

Credit for this to JAY of PROJECT UNITY.

Here is the interview of COMMANDER WILL MILLER with STEVEN GREER in 2013.

Commander Miller verifies much of the info referred to in the "WILSON / DAVIS" saga.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxUDFy5JCoE

[Rawhide68]

Another post from John Greenwald on the Wilson/Davis documents.

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[Bill Ryan]

This detailed analysis is just 5 weeks old, and runs for over three hours.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5P04uI2hu0

[Bill Ryan]

Here's a round table discussion on this, published 3 days ago, co-hosted by Grant Cameron and Richard Dolan. It's nearly 3 hours long.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZdU8L4o24E

[Star Tsar]

Latest on this issue from Mr Dolan...


The Richard Dolan Show

A Five Hour Deep Dive Into The Wilson UFO Leak

Streamed & Published 30th May 2020

https://richarddolanmembers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Wilson-Leak.002.jpeg

By now most people following the field of UFOs and ufology are at least somewhat aware of the notes known as the Wilson Document, or the Core Secrets Document, or the Davis-Wilson notes. These are 13 pages of typed notes written by Dr. Eric Davis in 2002, after he met with a recently retired Admiral named Thomas R. Wilson. Wilson had recently been head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the DIA, and head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The subject of their conversation concerned Wilson's failed attempt five years earlier to gain access to a deeply classified UFO program concerned with studying an intact craft "not made by man."

Richard's guest for this program is an anonymous researcher known only as Mr X. This individual wants his anonymity and we are respecting that desire. Previously, Mr. X did a three hour interview on this subject at another Youtube Channel, Project Unity. The interview with Richard was initially intended to be a short one-hour version; instead they went for five hours, by the end of which Richard was starting to lose his voice.

This is a very detailed breakdown of the document, with a great deal of engaging conversation throughout. This is a truly deep dive into the UFO Leak of the Century. Before the interview begins, Richard provides a 9-minute overview of what is to follow.

Mr. X's interview at Project Unity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5P04uI2hu0

Read the Davis-Wilson Notes at Richard's site here:
https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/article-ufo-leak-of-the-century-richard-dolan-analyzes-the-admiral-wilson-leak/

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[amor]

The subject of this thread gives me the opportunity to say a truth I believe re- engineering of UFO's by these secretive companies. What product is regarded by them as proprietary and therefore secret, so there are all sorts of advanced craft flying into space from here. Also, there are alien civilizations who have craft in the inner earth and under the oceans which travel at an unimaginable speed. If you use Google undersea, huge structures in right angles show themselves, miles in length. The secrecy is about Nazi proprietary craft financed by Nazi gold. The major space program is Nazi. They keep humans as slaves, lying to them that Earth is uninhabitable. This is the treatment they intend for all of us. ANTIFA you are kicking the wrong BUTTS.

[Mike Gorman]

This most recent video from a disclosure person, an upcoming article on The New York Times is being discussed, and other interesting developments
Sorry if this is already posted, but I think it is valuable enough to include here: gNNSUZANi4A

[Bill Ryan]

A new (15 Sept 2021) Jimmy Church show with Richard Dolan, all about the Admiral Wilson document.

Start in at 36:15. In their fairly heated debate, JC is often a nauseating jerk (in my personal opinion!), and Richard stays polite but gets pretty irritated. It's an interesting conversation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uF1OBwx9k

[Jim_Duyer]

I'm having some troubles with this, right from the first few lines .......

From 1999 until 2001, EG&G was wholly owned by The Carlyle Group.
So it would have been the Carlyle Group building, had it been during those dates.

In August 2002, the defense-and-services sector of the company was acquired by defense technical-services giant URS Corporation. So it would have been the URS/EG&G building.

On 10/16/02, the date of these notes, it would have been the URS Corp. I believe
that they would have changed the signs out front, at the very least, so going to
the EG&G Special Projects building would have been tough to do.

Why would someone have to warn the other party not to be tardy for a meeting
with an Admiral who was supposedly becoming a whistle-blower? But you could
expect the Admiral to be late - it's part of his power trip.

The former EG&G Special Projects building is not, as the notes claim, on
Grier and Paradise, but rather on the part of Grier that curves back and
crosses under E. Sunset Rd. It's west of Paradise, some blocks (424 meters).

Like most fake reports, you mix in something that everyone can agree on, right from the start, and then you have them leaning towards yes while you spin the story that you wish to plant. By mentioning the EG&G, where other whistle-blowers tell us is the jump off point towards Area 51, we connect those dots in our mind and begin to fall for the rest of it. But ask yourselves; would a clandestine meeting really be held in a car parked behind that building - thus drawing the attention of the security cameras in the parking area? Or would they not meet in some fresh location, like in one of the Casino bars? Or even a back room somewhere? That's a tell that speaks of fabrication.

This reads like a comic book script.

Do we really believe that a DIA Admiral would gushingly speak about
an "MJ-12/UFO cabal", in just those terms? Please. LOL.

And EWD answers with: "What did you tell?" Can't he use complete sentences,
with correct grammar, or must he talk like a Western Union cable?

I take it back, reading further it seems they all talk like they are verbalizing
a telegram. I could not get past the first half page - this is so bogus it's funny.

I too want to believe. But this is not it.

[Kryztian]

A new (15 Sept 2021) Jimmy Church show with Richard Dolan, all about the Admiral Wilson document.

Start in at 36:15. In their fairly heated debate, JC is often a nauseating jerk (in my personal opinion!), and Richard stays polite but gets pretty irritated. It's an interesting conversation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uF1OBwx9k

Richard Dolan is usually well organized, prepared and delivers a clear intelligent presentation, and it takes a lot to throw him off track. But then there is Jimmy Church and his astronomical ego. It's an interviewers job to help organize their subject's thoughts and make the interview comprehensive to the listener. Church does that from minute 36 to 1:06, where he reviews the story thus far - nothing new to anyone who has been following this thread, and then does a 180 at 1:06 and jumps into total incomprehensibility as Church tries to show he is an intellectual equal to Richard Dolan and John Greenwood. Bear in mind that Church was the last person in ufology, with the exception of David Wilcock, to figure out that Corey Goode is a sociopathic liar.

So, I listened up to the 1 hour 29 minutes mark before the urge to slit my wrists was just to overwhelming to bear and shut off the Youtube. Never the less, I can still bullet point the entire interview for you:


Jimmy Church is just the coolest guy in Ufology. He is totally Rock 'N' Roll. He just got off the phone with every famous person in Ufology. Even Stanton Friedman. He has seen every rock concert and famous psychics everywhere have witnessed his protective aura of crystalline Fender Guitars and Harley - Davidsons that encircles him.


He basks in a never-ending array of products which he promotes on his show. He uses everyone single one of them. Right now he is probably drinking his non-GMO FairTrade Free Range River Moon Fringe Darhk Java Coffee while sitting amongst his crystal skull collection who are sending him transcendent energies from Einstein, the mother crystal skull.


He has so many followers and people that just adore him, he has set up a religious community for their benefit, the Fadernauts. What is a Church without followers?


And did we tell you that he is just the coolest guy. Unfortunately, there are only 3 hours 3 times a week to make this overwhelming fact clear.


You can pretty much appending this bullet point list to ANY "Fade to Black" interview, the only difference is that Church brings in a different expert to help make those points clear.

Hopefully, Richard Dolan will be able to put forth his ideas where the above bullet pointed ideas aren't the real focus of the show.

[Kryztian]

So this train wreck of an interview makes much reference to John Greenwald and his thoughts on the Admiral Wilson - Eric Davis leaks. I haven't listened to any of these videos but Greenwald has about 7 hours worth of Youtube videos on the subject matter. And the good news is that Jimmy Church probably isn't in on the conversation, so there is a good chance of there being intelligible conversation.

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[Mike Gorman]

A new (15 Sept 2021) Jimmy Church show with Richard Dolan, all about the Admiral Wilson document.

Start in at 36:15. In their fairly heated debate, JC is often a nauseating jerk (in my personal opinion!), and Richard stays polite but gets pretty irritated. It's an interesting conversation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uF1OBwx9k

Richard Dolan is usually well organized, prepared and delivers a clear intelligent presentation, and it takes a lot to throw him off track. But then there is Jimmy Church and his astronomical ego. It's an interviewers job to help organize their subject's thoughts and make the interview comprehensive to the listener. Church does that from minute 36 to 1:06, where he reviews the story thus far - nothing new to anyone who has been following this thread, and then does a 180 at 1:06 and jumps into total incomprehensibility as Church tries to show he is an intellectual equal to Richard Dolan and John Greenwood. Bear in mind that Church was the last person in ufology, with the exception of David Wilcock, to figure out that Corey Goode is a sociopathic liar.

So, I listened up to the 1 hour 29 minutes mark before the urge to slit my wrists was just to overwhelming to bear and shut off the Youtube. Never the less, I can still bullet point the entire interview for you:


Jimmy Church is just the coolest guy in Ufology. He is totally Rock 'N' Roll. He just got off the phone with every famous person in Ufology. Even Stanton Friedman. He has seen every rock concert and famous psychics everywhere have witnessed his protective aura of crystalline Fender Guitars and Harley - Davidsons that encircles him.


He basks in a never-ending array of products which he promotes on his show. He uses everyone single one of them. Right now he is probably drinking his non-GMO FairTrade Free Range River Moon Fringe Darhk Java Coffee while sitting amongst his crystal skull collection who are sending him transcendent energies from Einstein, the mother crystal skull.


He has so many followers and people that just adore him, he has set up a religious community for their benefit, the Fadernauts. What is a Church without followers?


And did we tell you that he is just the coolest guy. Unfortunately, there are only 3 hours 3 times a week to make this overwhelming fact clear.


You can pretty much appending this bullet point list to ANY "Fade to Black" interview, the only difference is that Church brings in a different expert to help make those points clear.

Hopefully, Richard Dolan will be able to put forth his ideas where the above bullet pointed ideas aren't the real focus of the show.

Thank you for the very ironic review Kryztian, I recognise in your analysis a kindred spirit...why are there so many 'Cool guys' in Ufology? I'm in with the 'In Crowd', I go where the In-Crowd go...Who has the time and patience to sit for 3 hours while these people masturbate into oblivion? Edgar Mitchell is probably the coolest guy I have encountered, he was a genuine 100% real scientist, he actually walked on the Moon Y'all. Let us be grateful there are authentic souls among us, Best wishes Kryztian.

[Kryztian]

why are there so many 'Cool guys' in Ufology? I'm in with the 'In Crowd', I go where the In-Crowd go...Who has the time and patience to sit for 3 hours while these people masturbate into oblivion? Edgar Mitchell is probably the coolest guy I have encountered, he was a genuine 100% real scientist, he actually walked on the Moon Y'all. Let us be grateful there are authentic souls among us, Best wishes Kryztian.

Thank you Mike. I have nothing against people expressing there style, but in the case of Church, it is absolutely excessive. I think that in his case, and similarly with David Wilcock, it is just a way of masking the fact that he is a deeply spineless creature. It is beyond me why this guy gets to do some of the most important interviews in Ufology.

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[Gemma13]

And did we tell you that he is just the coolest guy. Unfortunately, there are only 3 hours 3 times a week to make this overwhelming fact clear.


Who has the time and patience to sit for 3 hours while these people masturbate into oblivion?


Oh my.  More of that, anytime, please. 

[Bill Ryan]

More from Richard Dolan (in great detail!):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH0RDdHy-BU

[aoibhghaire]

BIG NEWS! The Wilson documents are true. See upcoming interview today below link.

Oke Shannon has announced privately leaked the other day and decided now to speak out
later today (24th September) that the Wilson documents are true.

Fmr. Manager, Special Projects, Los Alamos National Lab (LANL).
US Navy Veteran, Nuclear Physicist Oke Shannon

Host: Jay Anderson, founder of Project Unity

US Congress Version of Admiral Wilson / Eric Davis Notes
https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23b44fxvz8I

[Tintin]

BIG NEWS! The Wilson documents are true. See upcoming interview today below link.

Oke Shannon has announced privately leaked the other day and decided now to speak out
later today (24th September) that the Wilson documents are true.

Fmr. Manager, Special Projects, Los Alamos National Lab (LANL).
US Navy Veteran, Nuclear Physicist Oke Shannon

Host: Jay Anderson, founder of Project Unity

US Congress Version of Admiral Wilson / Eric Davis Notes
https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23b44fxvz8I

Great, and thanks for the heads-up here :thumbsup:

A reminder for anyone else checking in that we have a reasonable collection regarding these documents in the Avalon Library (https://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Admiral_Wilson_document) too.

https://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Admiral_Wilson_document

[Kryztian]

A Christmas present for Ufology:

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Christopher Mellon confirms that the Wilson/Davis memo is indeed authored by Eric Davis.

Nicely broken down here from Jay from Project Unity in just 5 minutes.

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