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witchy1
8th January 2011, 08:12
1939-46 Spitzenbergen, NORWAY ?
4 July 1947 Roswell (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/jroswell.html), NEW MEXICO 4 Bodies
13 Feb 1948 Aztec, NEW MEXICO 12 Bodies
7 July 1948 MEXICO So.of LAREDO TX 1 Body
1949 Roswell, NEW MEXICO 1 ET Living
1952 Spitzenbergen, NORWAY 2 Bodies
14 Aug 1952 Ely, NEVADA 16 Bodies
10 Sep 1950 Albuquerque, NEW MEXICO 3 Bodies
18 Apr 1953 S.W. ARIZONA No Bodies
20 May 1953 Kingman, ARIZONA 1 Body
19 June 1953 Laredo, TEXAS 4 Bodies
10 July 1953 Johofnisburg S.AFRICA 5 Bodies
13 Oct 1953 Dutton, MONTANA 4 Bodies
5 May 1955 Brighton, ENGLAND 4 Bodies
18 July 1957 Carlsbad, NEW MEXICO 4 Bodies
1961 Timmensdorfer (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/crashtim.html), GERMANY 12 Bodies
12 June 1962 Holloman AFB, NEW MEXICO 2 Bodies
10 Nov 1964 Ft.Riley, KANSAS 9 Bodies
27 Oct 1966 N.W. ARIZONA 1 Body
1966-1968 5 CRASHES IN/KY/OH AREA 3 Bodies Disk Intact
18 July 1972 MORROCO SAHARA DESERT 3 Bodies
10 July 1973 NW ARIZONA 5 Bodies
25 Aug 1974 CHIHUAHUA (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/crashmex.html) MEXICO ? Bodies Disk Intact
12 May 1976 AUSTRALIAN DESERT 4 Bodies
22 June 1977 NW ARIZONA 5 Bodies
5 Apr 1977 SW OHIO 11 Bodies
17 Aug 1977 TOBASCO MEXICO 2 Bodies
May 1978 BOLIVIA No Bodies
Nov 1988 AFGHANISTAN 7 Bodies
May 1989 SOUTH AFRICA 2 ET Living
June 1989 SOUTH AFRICA 2 ET Disk Intact
July 1989 SIBERIA 9 ET Living
2 Sept 1990 Megas Platanos (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/ufogreek.html), GREECE ?
Nov 1992 Long Island NY (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/crashli.html), NEW YORK ?


Most of the crashes listed were identified in the Summer 1980 issue of THE NEW ATLANTEAN JOURNAL on page 54. As we come across references to other crashes, we are including them in this list with the hope of one day confirming or disconfirming them.

Currently, little is known about most of these crashes. However, we are making an effort to post any information that we come across from newsgroups to eyewitness reports.

Most physical evidence of these crashes have been confiscated by the government; however, not all evidence is in their possession. In the past, the government's central archive of UFO wreckage was Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. It has been reported that most of the alien bodies have been sent to Great Britian for storage and examination.
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/ufocrash.html


ADDIT: This was in a lovely list - graphics has not carried over - sorry if its messy. Website much tidier

elysian
8th January 2011, 14:37
Id love to know the sources for the events in this list. It doesnt count for much if there is no information on what sources these different events in the list came from(true or untrue).

Bill Ryan
8th January 2011, 17:36
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I believe there was at least one crash in 1947 prior to Roswell - maybe two.

Missing also is the 1941 crash at Cape Girardeau.

quench
8th January 2011, 17:55
Rich Dolan's "UFOs and the National Security State Volumes 1 & 2" are very good references for historical UFO activity.

Bluewool
8th January 2011, 23:49
Re the crash in Timmensdorfer,Germany in 1961.Its alledgedley from Bob Dean.Ive met Bob a couple of times but never heard this story before! Hopefully seeing him at the Phoenix UFO conference next month so will ask him myself!

Source: "Inside the Military UFO Underground",
Vol. 16, No. 7, April 1994, pp. 48-59
by A.J.S. Rayl.
Subject: An Interview with Robert O. Dean

The appendix that really got to me was titled 'Autopsies.' I saw pictures of a 30-meter disc that had crashed in Timmensdorfer, Germany, near the Baltic Sea in 1961. The British Army, according to the report, got there first and put up a perimeter. The craft had landed in very soft, loamy soil near the Russian border and so hadn't destructed, but one-third of it was buried in. We and the Russians, who also quickly showed up, had both tracked it.

Inside, there were 12 small bodies, all dead. There were pictures of the bodies, which looked like the beings known as the 'grays,' being laid out and then put on stretchers and loaded into jeeps, and autopsy photos, too. Some of the little grays appeared to not be a reproductive-capable species. The autopsy guys concluded, according to the report, that it looked as if they had been cut out of a cookie cutter--clones with no alimentary tract. They did not ingest or process food as we know it, nor did it appear that they had any system for elimination.

The craft itself was cut up like a pie into six pieces, put on lowboys and hauled off. Scuttlebutt was that it was given to the Americans and flown to Wright-Patterson Air Force base in Ohio. I looked at these pictures and couldn't believe it. My skin got cold and I thought, My God. I had never really believed we were all alone in the universe, but this was hard to swallow.

Bluewool
8th January 2011, 23:57
Brighton 1955 ufo crash,never come across that before and maybe not much truth?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread314429/pg1

Was intrigued by this comment though!

reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 11:26 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by christian952


The UFO crashed in the sea off Brighton, not in Brighton itself.

The craft was recovered by a British aircraft carrier and later transferred to an American ship, both of which were taking part in a NATO exercise in the area.

There is no reason anyone in Brighton would know about it.

Talk to sailors who were serving in the British Navy at the time.

witchy1
9th January 2011, 00:15
It doesnt count for much if there is no information on what sources these different events in the list came from Its not difficult to trace back if you are interested. The above article quotes "Most of the crashes listed were identified in the Summer 1980 issue of THE NEW ATLANTEAN JOURNAL on page 54"

A google search on the journal provides this link ET Body Count from UFO Crash Retrievals (1947-1989) (http://home.pacbell.net/joerit/docs2/crash/etbodies.htm) http://ie.surfcanyon.com/search/images/bullseye.bmp

Summer 1980 issue of THE NEW ATLANTEAN JOURNAL on page 54 updated: 22 JULY 1947 ROSWELL NEW MEXICO 4 BODIES 13 FEB 1948 AZTEC NEW MEXICO 12 BODIES 7 JUL ...
home.pacbell.net/joerit/docs2/crash/etbodies.htm - Cached

Then go to the link as above http://home.pacbell.net/joerit/docs2/crash/etbodies.htm - this may be the original list. They quote a report: "THE UFO CRASH/RETRIEVAL SYNDROME (STATUS REPORT II: NEW SOURCES,NEW DATA) by Leonard H. Stringfield"

A simple google search will provide a plethora of information on him. This page gives a highligt of his career (he started investigations before Roswell) http://www.theufochronicles.com/2005/09/remembering-leonard-h-stringfield.html

Remembering Leonard H. Stringfield


http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4376/798/400/Leonard%20H.%20Stringfield%20%20Cropped%20A.jpg (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4376/798/1600/Leonard%20H.%20Stringfield%20%20Cropped%20A.jpg) Part I

By Frank Warren
9-22-05

“Len” Springfield passed away on December 18th of 1994, nevertheless the legacy he left in Ufology will live on forever.

His achievements are to numerous to mention in this short commemoration; however, I will endeavor to hit some of the highlights..........."

"His stature enabled him to work in concert with the Air Force in those years and he would pass on UFO reports to the Air Defense Command in Columbus, Ohio.

In 1957 Len became the “public relations advisor to the “National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomenon (NICAP). He held that post until 1970.

Len joined the Mutual UFO Network (http://www.mufon.com/) (MUFON) in 1971, and was the state section director of southwest Ohio. He later (1974) became the PR man there (as director) and served on the board of directors.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4376/798/200/Hynek%20Sml.jpg (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4376/798/1600/Hynek%20Sml.jpg) Naturally with his talents, it was no surprise that he became the associate editor of the highly rated “MUFON Journal.” As if that wasn’t enough he also was a regional investigator for the Hynek’s “Center for UFO Studies (http://www.cufos.org/).”

In addition to the numerous reports, articles etc., penned by Stringfield, he authored two books, Inside Saucer Post . . . 3-0 Blue and Situation Red, The UFO Siege.

A paper of significance attributed to Len was entitled, "Retrievals of the Third Kind: A Case Study of Alleged UFOs and Occupants in Military Custody." This was addressed to 9th Annual MUFON Symposium in 1978.

This paper, which later became known as “Status Report I,” was the first in a series of “monographs” which Len published up until the year of his death. There were seven in all."

Another one about him: http://www.anomalies.net/archive/cni-news/CNI.0468.html

There is much to this mans story!!

Bright Garlick
9th January 2011, 02:06
Great list witchy. Many other 'shootdowns' missing, including many from Australia, some from UK and ww1 period - including the Americas..

Helvetic
9th January 2011, 03:05
The first US crash/retrieval of an ET craft occurred during 1941 in the ocean west of San Diego. Retrieved by the navy, dead Zeta Reticulans, alias the 'Greys', were found inside. Craft and bodies were taken to the Foreign Technology Section at Wright-Patterson Airforce base in Dayton, Ohio, and studied by the Retfours Special Studies Group. After dismantling the craft parts were sent to S4 and Indian Springs in Nevada. This craft crashed due to the recently invented pulse radar being tested on the nearby Tinian island, located three miles south/south west of Saipan. The US navy has held a leadership position in UFO matters since.

Erin
9th January 2011, 07:29
The Maury Island Incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maury_Island_incident) happened like a month before Roswell. That story actually freaks me out, to be honest. It's kind of insidious and creepy. Rich Dolan gives a great account of it in part 1 of UFOs and the National Security State.

Kent Fallman
10th January 2011, 06:33
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I believe there was at least one crash in 1947 prior to Roswell - maybe two.

Missing also is the 1941 crash at Cape Girardeau.

Yes, i agree.

I must have missed the Timmensdorfer crash.

ThePythonicCow
13th January 2011, 19:40
Thanks to a video (see the frames at 23:40 to 23:42 into the 56:15 long video) just posted in the thread Roswell: The UFO UnCoverup (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11152-Roswell-The-UFO-UnCoverup), I found a more complete list at LIST OF POSSIBLE UFO/ET CRAFT CRASHES AND RETRIEVALS (http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/Disclosure/Web%20Pages/List%20of%20Possible%20UFO-ET%20Craft%20Crashes%20and%20Retrievals.htm). It lists 272 incidents, a few dating back as far as 10,000 years ago. On this list, 250 of the events are dated from 1945 onward. This list is on the CSETI.org (http://www.cseti.org/) website.

A Google search for "cseti list of ufo craft crashes and retrievals" (http://www.google.com/search?q=cseti+list+of+ufo+craft+crashes+and+retrievals) further uncovers the informative UFO website ufoevidence.org (http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/ufocrashes.htm).

9eagle9
13th January 2011, 20:16
This sounds facetious and in part it is but on the other hand I just have to think... many people express in rather hysterical terms how how omnipotently powerful, how much more advanced and technologically supreme aliens are than us wee earthlings. That we don't have a chance if they are hostile and aggressive...

I'm going to have to say if they are crashing that much it sorta evens out the playing field. Ultra supreme beings just wouldn't crash that much.


Unless someone is shooting them down. Which also means they can't be as omnipotent as the fear mongers suggest.

Thanks for the list, I had no idea there were so many occurrences. Especially the ones prior to Roswell.

ketikoti
1st February 2011, 01:40
I tried to find it in our local newspaper (eltribuno.com.ar), where I once read a story that in 2009 an alleged ufo crash also took place near Joaquin Gonzales, Salta province, Argentina.

Locals heard some explosions, and the electricity went down for 12 hours (which even for Argentine standards is pretty much..). Later on the army sealed the site hermetically.

I can't find it though, try to do so later on again.

The Arthen
1st February 2011, 03:06
"Why don't they just land and say hello?"

Man, i just laugh outright at that question now. No, I do not mean about how "****ed up earth people are morally" -
but because we don't even know how many landings and crashes have already taken place!

witchy1
1st February 2011, 09:39
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/photos/artwork-whoops!-alien-crash/530384-1-eng-US/Artwork-Whoops!-Alien-Crash_photo_medium.jpg

Seems they don't know how to land The Arthen

The Arthen
2nd February 2011, 20:25
HAHAHAHA great picture

grunt225
4th February 2011, 16:40
Hi all, this might be off topic, but I am a little confused about the the Grays.

Dan Burisch stated that the grays are from our future, basically us in 35 and 52 thousand years. I am reading that they are clones, that they are controlled by another race, they are sort of a worker force, Than I read about tall grays.....Whats the real scoop about the grays?

JDM
4th February 2011, 19:28
Hi all, this might be off topic, but I am a little confused about the the Grays.

Dan Burisch stated that the grays are from our future, basically us in 35 and 52 thousand years. I am reading that they are clones, that they are controlled by another race, they are sort of a worker force, Than I read about tall grays.....Whats the real scoop about the grays?


From what I have read and heard over the years, There are many types of "greys" (like races of human beings) each with there own agendas, functions, purpose and differ in physical appearance.
Whistleblowers, contactees and abductees also seem to have different views about this concerning their contact with them. some say they have malevolent intentions some say benevolent.

Rufs
4th February 2011, 21:15
Excellent - many many thanks! I will now settle down for the movie.

InCiDeR
4th February 2011, 21:53
Hmmmm, I find the list below very strange. I never heard of these before, and all dates a very close to WW II. When I read the short description, it very much sounded like V2 rockets. Time for some investigation ;)

1946 July 9 - Lake Barken, Sweden
1946 July 10 - Bjorkon, Sweden
1946 July 18 - Lake Mjosa Sweden
1946 July 19, noon - Lake Kolmjarv, Sweden
1946 August 12 - SW Sweden
1946 August 16 - Malmo Sweden
1946 mid-October - Southern Sweden

List from CSETI