Devastating effects of hoaxers/cult leaders

[Gemma13]

A VALUABLE LESSON - CANNOT RECOMMEND ENOUGH taking the time to read this lengthy but moving, inspirational, and highly educational real life experience posted on a local bulletin board.

The experiencer tells in vivid detail how they became mind controlled, what life was like under this mind control, how they eventually worked it out, and steps to recovery. The mind controller in this case is Deborah Taveres but any truth movement hoaxer/cult leader equally applies.

Often hoaxers/cult leaders are excused because they frame their BS stories on very real and serious topics. Surely it can’t be a big deal if some of their stuff is BS because they are still helping get the truth out.

This real life gripping story explains why it is not okay, how people are being insidiously traumatized, and why it is very dangerous to promote hoaxers, in any way, unless it is to debunk them. IT APPLIES TO ALL OF US!

I am ever so grateful to this person for coming forward TO SHARE THEIR STORY.
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https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation)/page3&p=227259#post227259

Greetings All,

What follows is my experience as a curious newbie (turned) avid fan (turned) fear-porn addicted (turned) truth-traumatized (turned) devastated, dehumanized and disabled by fear (turned) confused but skeptical (turned) darkly disillusioned (turned) miraculously re-awakened (turned) decidedly ticked off (turned) determined to be free (turned) once-again able to experience happiness (turned) recovering and resolved to truth-telling listener of Deborah Tavares.

Tavares was my first experience with the dangerous, radical side of the truther movement. I had been unsettled and curious about 911, and began searching youtube for speakers on the subject, that was the old days when people were allowed to challenge the official story on YouTube. I knew about chemtrails, because I was born in in the 1950s and vividly remember a natural occurring phenomenon called clouds(for those born after 1990, google it). Having discovered geoengineering authority Dane Wiggington on Youtube, I started listening as much as possible. I wasn’t crazy after all, this stuff is really happening.

This, again, was back in the days when one’s viewing list would cause YouTube’s algorithm to suggest other presenters whom they might be interested in. (That algorithm has recently been inverted, so now the only suggestions I get are TED and Google talks, CNN and other mainstream news channels). Anyway, soon Rosa Koire speaking on Agenda 21 was brought up as a suggestion. Then Elana Freeman, again on Agenda 21.

Eye-opening speakers who have their feet on the ground and are clearly pretty normal people, I began to think on what they said, they had my attention but still led a normal life in which I was able to concentrate on work, experience happiness, listen to music, go on walks with my daughter, laugh, cry, feel emotion, sleep, plan for the future, cook and eat regular meals in minutes instead of seconds. Then one day, up pops Deborah Tavares in my YouTube suggestion list. The title thumbnail image showed an expressionless but intimidating looking woman in expensive clothes with big, expensive hair, entitled “(something or other) Attack And More Bad News.” What? Attack? Bad News? Sh@#! I gotta find out, quickly!

I listened to Deborah speak, and then moved on to more Tavares presentations. Methodical, almost monotone at times, forceful and punishing at other times. Dramatic pauses, sometimes loud, sometimes hushed and whisper soft. Repeated words and sentences. Often. Each. Word. Of. The. Previous. Sentence. Repeated. As. Though. It. Was. A. Bullet. Point. I Had never heard anyone speak or present like this before. She was bold, forceful and domineering. And, she had documents. Secret documents, many of them, and all of them official government documents that she and no one else had possession of. Secret government documents grabbed in night by she and her staff of stealthy researchers. Highly trained operatives who, together were able to go where no researcher or dangerous radical activist had gone before. Documents that NASA had mistakenly posted on their website for only a few hours before realizing the error and taking them down.

Fortunately, Tavares’ ever watchful eye saw the opportunity, and downloaded that evil document before NASA ever discovered their error. The NASA War Document, outlining the evil plans NASA had in the works for the unsuspecting citizens of America and the world. I saw the document in a Tavares interview. She was holding it right in her hand, and held it up to the camera. Sure enough, that was the NASA logo. Tavares and the interviewer spoke in hushed tones. They had met in a motel room, probably to throw off any agents who might be following her. This stuff was real, and very scary. I had no idea NASA was secretly planning to kill us all. But now I knew, and I had to know more. My desire to seek other presenters was gone. I had found the gatekeeper of a secret cave of Truth. A cave in which story upon story, document upon document was available for public re-education. But only from Deborah Tavares.

How silly and lazy, I thought, that other presenters had not dug deeper. How fortunate, I thought, for the few of us who were learning the truth. 70,000 by last subscriber count. And only 4 million listens to The NASA War Document presentation which did have ads. But Deborah must care not about money. She’s all about risking her life for the Cause, and she appears to be well-monied so the ads, thought I, are but a neccesary annoyance to this altruistic regal warrior goddess. But now I was truly alarmed. Thr cumulative effect of listening only to Tavares’ non-stop fear-mongering was beginning to have an effect on me. The end was nigh. I knew marital law would be laid down any day now.

I began to withdraw all money from the bank, and prepare for the worst. I bought things that could easily traded such as canned food, water, cigarettes, alcohol even though I don’t drink, hold and silver in small denominations, coin instead of paper money because the metal would still be with something. Thank God I had clued in to Deborah Tavares, just in time time to get things in order and say my last goodbyes. What was I going to do to protect my daughter? I can’t tell her this stuff. Life is hard enough for young people these days. She would be devastated.

Should i kill myself so I could leave her more money? She is surrounded by a circle of good friends, able bodied young people. She insists on living in Denver, it where she is happy, she’ll be ok. I’m am not going to destroy her life by sharing any of this horrible informatiom. Her generation already knows, or says they now, the government is a joke, politics is a trick, politicians are all criminals and cowards, TV is mind control, college is training to be a slave and a setup to be enslaved by debt they can never repay. At age 25 the world was a very different place for me. I’m not going to ruin her world by dropping a headcase into her thoughtsystem, and in retrospect I am so thankful for that decision. My daughters life remained her own.

As I listened on to Tavares, I gradually became incapacitated with fear. I was traumatized. Scared out of my mind. I tried to act normal around my daughter, but she was beginning to pick up my vibe. Something was absolutely not ok with Dad. Then I heard Tavares mention “truth trauma.” I sought out a therapist, to confess my desperation and fear. My therapist told I was exhibiting symptoms of PTSD, and that I should stop listening to this crazy woman, resume normal activities in life, take a walk, enjoy leisure activities, focus on my work, which I had all ways loved but I had by then become incapable of engaging in.

I kind of heard what the therapist said, but anyone who has had PTSD knows the condition can only be managed, there is no quick fix. Anyway. I was too alarmed, and had to learn everything I could before the sky fell and the whole shebang went up In flames, went down the tubes, was blown to smithereens, was irradiated into a cancerous screaming death-knell of Truth.

I’m writing about this now in an almost humorous, faux-melodramatic tone for therapeutic reasons, but I can assure you there was nothing funny about the situation or the condition I was in. It was a horrifying time in life and I could not un-know this stuff nor could I escape it. I stopped eating, instead turning to Tavares on youtube immediately upon waking. Eating became all day snacking, I didn’t have the patience or focus to make an egg. It had become sugar and fast snack foods. Only when hunger pangs reminded me. I lost 25 pounds in 2 months.

• One sleepless night, I remembered what a good and trusted friend had told me years ago, something to the effect of “knowledge is empowerment.” Clearly, I was not feeling empowered and so I decided to learn more. I needed to conquer this demon. My daughter needed me to conquer this demon. My co-workers needed it and my friends needed it. People were looking at me strangely and expressing concern for my condition. I couldn’t talk to them about this stuff because I simply did not have the strength or willingness to argue.

So, I decided to empower myself with knowledge, and write to the grand wizard herself, Mrs. Deborah Tavares, an elite, seemingly wealthy, high striding , haughty, warrior of a blond woman with unmatched tenacity, bravery and a reasonable (if inconsistent) command of language who had (according to herself and legend) escaped many murder attempts, who was a targeted individual, cruelly beamed night and day with microwaves that government agents had installed near her house and in cars that waited to follow she and her family everywhere. A mother and grandmother, living in the pain of invisible torture and yet carrying her mission forward each day. Willing to risk not only her own life, but also put the lives of her children and grandchildren in harm’s way, because what mattered most was Truth, and alerting the public ASAP. If her grandchildren had to be sacrificed, it had been apparently been decided (I assumed) ti be worthwhile. A necessary sacrifice for the cause.

We’ve all heard the confessions of FBI and CIA whistleblowers say they’d been told that their families would die first if they spoke out. Deborah said she knew all of this stuff, she knew everything, she knew things that the POTUS didn’t know, but she had escaped every murder attempt so far, she had gone into hiding so she said for 2 years between ca. 2014-2016 and she had underground. To hide. These were the end times, she had come out of hiding to rally and go down with the ship, and die an honorable death. I would write to her, plead my case, a few empower myself with knowledge.

I went to stopthecrime.net, found the contact link, and began a letter addressed to DIGIGOD@stopthecrime.net. Geez, she thinks she’s a god, well I guess she is. Don’t tell her Christian supporters because they’ll think blasphemy. But sure she’s a god, DIGIGOD. After a week, no response. After 2+weeks I realized I better stop expecting one. I continued to listen to her presentations however. As I was listening, I decided to start reading listener comments below the youtube presentations. Maybe I would learn something there. I saw many people blessing Deborah, and calling upon God and Jesus to protect her. I saw others citing her as a prophet, their special angel who they prayed nightly for God and Jesus to protect. I saw those who expressed extreme desperation and fear. Frantic confusion with pleas for Deborah to please help them, please tell them what to do.

People expressing that they were so debilitated with fear as a result of listening to that presentation, they were in panic. Others expressing thoughts of suicide and recommending suicide to others. Then there was the call to arms comments. Recommendations to gather together in violent mobs and take action. And finally, much to my dismay, a good number of listeners calling for murder. “Kill the Jews” it’s the “Jew world order.” “throw the Jews down the well” Deborah, white wizard goddess of Truth has told us, it’s “the Rothschilds”, and so we know. “those Jews, “kill them before they kill us”, it went on and on. I don’t like that stuff at all. I abhor it.

I do my best not to hate ignorant people who espouse it. I have Jewish heritage in my family. Most of my best, lifelong friends are Jewish. Many of my mentors in the music business are Jewish. I have friends in Israel who protest Zionism and the abuse of the Palestinian people. I have as many Jewish friends and business associates as I do all other friends put together, but if wouldn’t matter to me if I had only one Jewish friend. I would still feel same way. This violent antisemitic stuff is bullsh*#. It dawned on me that Deborah, as owner of her youtube channel, could intervene in the comments at any time to comment on or correct the flow of information, such as all other YouTube presenters do. She is worshipped by her listeners. Her words are very influential. She could make a huge positive difference here. Yet not one word from Deborah.

Then I remembered, on the homepage of her website, Deborah aka DIGIGOD features a large font statement from Dietrich Boenhoeffer which says “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. To not speak is to speak. To not act is to act.” WTF! Is this woman a hypocrite, an antisemitic coward with Nazi sympathies who excites vulnerable, desperate people to say what she is unwilling to say? “All our problems are because of the Rothschilds.” “Kill the Jews” Some listener encourages it in every single Tavares comments section. I was beginning to understand.

At that point, having sent 2 subsequent requests for information to Tavares with absolutely no responses, I decided to take a look at these renowned “documents” Deborah tells her listeners to download in every presentation. Shock. These are not official documents of any type. These are self-created bullet points and scary illustrations put together with an official logo or letterhead at the top. On the bottom is usually written the 3rd party who edited the piece together. “Veterans for Truth”, “Oath-keepers” etc. some documents were hand typed screeds with the worst grammar and spelling, words scribbled out in ink with substitute words written above, and a hand typed title at the top. No logo, no reference. Anyone could have typed “CIA this and such”, “FBI this and that”. The “NASA War Document” was a list of high-school level “strategies” written as bullet points with the official NASA logo at the top of the page. “The Report From Iron Mountain”, the same. This is bullsh#@. WTF.

• At that point my Tavares listening had led me to a series of appearances where she was the guest on internet radio shows such as Granada Forum. What I heard, I didn’t like. I had already began to tire of her talks, which left me feeling like an unfortunate third grade student who was having the fear of God hammered into them by some burned out wicked school administrator. Hearing her interact with hosts in an interview setting was a hole new and eye-opening experience.

Tavares was cruel. Admonishing hosts to for participating in their own radio show, which was an interview format. Talking right over their attempts to participate and succeeding in backing them down through sheer willfulness. momentum and a willingness to be mean spirited and rude. Seemingly without conscience. Absolutely without gratitude. One such interaction I remember is from a Granada Forum appearance. The hosts had already been admonished, warned and talked over. Tavares is one intimidating woman.

One host, after about 5 minutes, tried to ask a question. “I’m not finished!” Tavares snapped, “but since you’ve interrupted me, go ahead.” The host squeezed out a few words which Tavares ignored, interrupted and continued one with her intimidating screed of fear and doom. On presentations where there were multiple guests, Tavares would simply assume she was to speak first, interrupt the host’s introduction, bulldoze on in her self-important tone, and talk over anyone else who might be speaking until they backed down, and seize control of the show.

Control, I realized is one of her big MOs. Her manner of speaking is controlling and her pedantic hammering rhythm does indeed seem to induce a form of mind control. Some of these shows are European. Europeans are by nature or culture, extraordinarily polite and gracious. It’s not in them to be aggressive, domineering and rude. When faced with it, they simply shut up. They are not dumb or weak, they are allowing the blowhard to make a fool of themselves. The blowhard is always an American. Any American with even the shortest antenna figures out pretty quickly and simply by paying attention to pick up on the grace of interaction that Europeans excel at. Anyone who has even the slightest interest in a colleague’s perspective will do the same knowing that these interactions present a fantastic opportunity to learn. Tavares seems to have no intellectual curiosity. In her line of work, or her method of work, learning from others is of little interest or use. For her it’s not about expansion, it’s about contraction.

• By this time, for whatever reason, Tavares had stopped creating her own presentations, and was relying solely upon hosts of internet radio programs to invite her to be a guest. Not surprisingly, no one from past appearances was inviting her back. Granada Forum had begun to post unhappy complaints in the comments sections of her repost of interviews done on their channel. No one else was inviting her either, and so she went back to her old friend and unconditional supporter, Dr. Bill Deagle, who hosts regular radio shows on his channel.

I think Bill is a good guy. He’s loyal, he smiles and injects humor. He also gives Tavares a wide berth and lots of room to speak, but he’s made it clear during these interviews that it’s his show, he’s the host, and he insists on participating even it’s Deborah Tavares who is the guest. Tavares, with no other options at that point, began to show some respect, gratitude and relative patience given her temperment. Bill was rehabilitating her, in a way. She gradually was learning to share time and act respectfully, and in return, she got weekly airtime and an edited recording to post on her channel. Tavares listeners are another story however. They are cold, cruel, nasty, impatient and verbally violent. They hate Dr. Bill.

Most of the comments under Dr. Bill postings are “shut TF up and let the woman speak”, “you’re a slob and a moron, no one wants to hear you, don’t you know who you’re in the presence of? SHUT UP and let Deborah talk”. Unknown to Tavares listeners, Bill is dealing with a serious medical condition which affects his speech at times. Listeners rip him to shreds for this, cruelly antagonizing “you sound like an old drunk” “what are you doing, eating soup?.” “ you uncouth slob” and worse. The comments sink to the level of violent obscenity. It’s ugly to witness and very sad. Tavares never ever once has stepped in to defend her good friend. The guy who sticks by her when all others won’t have anything to do with her. I was enraged by this. “Not to speak is to speak.” Tavares blatantly used her good friend on a weekly basis and then just tossed him to the wolves. Again and again and again. No honor is an understatement.

By this time I was getting ticked off enough to take some action, and so I posted comments and my unanswered questions under her videos. At first one of her staff answered as a response, “yes, what can I do for you?” I reiterated the question, which was a request for documentation on a new theme Tavares had been riffing on. How the city of Santa Rosa had hired London Accounting firm Ernst and Young to purposefully bankrupt the city. No response. I sent the request directly to DIGIGOD. No response.

I wrote as a comment that I too was traumatized and living a disabled life as a result of unshakable fear from listening to Tavares’ presentations. MIRACLE. A knowing, seasoned Tavares listener responded, clueing me in to the hell she peddles, with a recommendation to check out (the now defunct) aplanetruth on youtube. MIRACLE. The owner of that channel truly educates, without the rude and punishing drama. With knowledge comes empowerment. I began to learn truth, real truth, starting with history. Sure the Rothschilds and part of international banking and local utilities, but they are just facilitators. Learn your history! The Knights Templar, the Vatican and Jesuits, the 13 illuminati bloodlines of which the Rothschilds are just one, British Crown Royalty the Windsors, Freemasons, Rome, London and Washington D..C. By learning the bigger picture and much more, my debilitating fear began to subside, and my ability to focus and work and be present for my daughter increased. Miracle.

• Then, I decided to to a web search of “Deborah Tavares.” Major Miracle! I discovered Snoop’s thread “the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares” on the Project Avalon forum. My God I was not crazy, I was not alone, I was not imagining things. Here was proof. With multiple redundancies to assuage any doubts about a single source. I saw the Real documents. I learned the real stories. I was right! The documents of Tavares’ website ARE phony. Forgeries. The stories she had concocted were upside down. I will not detail every document and story but I did check them all out, and each one is a falsification, an edit, or an outright lie. None of them are real.

Some of the subjects she speaks to are real, such as cellphone and smart meter radiation, 5G, Agenda 21 etc. But I came to understand that Tavares uses these basic truths as springboard talking points to launch off into conjecture, exaggeration, and plain lies. She bounces around so quickly, the listener is still realizing what they just heard as she is spinning off into an elaboration and connecting dots that doesn’t even exist. Why? Why not just tell the truth? Why not say “The Report From Iron Mountain” is a work of fiction, a very prophetic work perhaps, but still a political satire published in 1967 which went on to spend weeks on the NY Times bestseller list, and which was later pirated by ultra right wing extremist groups and republished under the false pretense of being a leaked secret government report. Given all of that it is remarkable how prophetic this book has turned out to be” etc. that’s the truth. Why not tell the truth?

The only thing I can think of is that it’s easier to control people with lies. If you are the only purveyor of a given story, you maintain control over your public. And, as soon as you start revealing one truth, the whole ball of yarn starts to unravel, leaving you, an insecure narcissistic vanity activist, with nothing. No knowledge of history, no more hate and fear to peddle, no more Nazi sympathizers to excite, no more vulnerable people to scare the bejesus out of. No more myths of multiple murder attempts by the government, no more targeted individual woe is me stories to dramatically leverage people with. The show is over, they’ve pulled back the curtain and theyre moving the tables and chairs out of the building, you’re now just staring at a brick wall in an empty room. Even worse, now you must look in the mirror. Karma. Very scary to one who live a lie, feeds off of other people’s fear, uses props such as expensive clothes, big hair, reams if “documents”, projecting the impression of elitism wealth and money, and an carrying an air of arrogance which is used as a tool to leverage, manipulate and dominate others.

Times are changing. Recently youtube and google have censored Truth, scrubbed videos, terminated entire channels and at the very least demonetized (no more YouTube placed ads) for all “Truther” channels. Remaining channels unite, and speak out when yet another channel is terminated. So much so, that there has been a small amount of success. all of these channels are Tame compared to Tavares on stopthecrimecrime. No one speaks as dangerously and outrageously threatening as she does. Not close. And while these channels have been under assault, there sits Deborah Tavares, as outrageous, as fear-mongeringa d hate inciting as ever, WITH YouTube placed ads still running! She’s the ONLY ONE. She never ever comes to the defense of newly censored “fellow” truther channels. No Honor.

How can this be? To those of us that lived through the 1960s and have come to know controlled opposition, paid disinformation and nefarious government activities such as Cointelpro, I think youtube and google have now made it easy for us to know who is telling truth and who is not. Or who might be serving a useful purpose by steadily adding to the destabilizing of society.

Whatever it is, youtube and the controllers clearly like her and approve of her activities. They even help to support her by running ads in her videos. But no one else’s. SGT Report, Black Pigeon Speaks, Shaking My Head productions, Logic Before Authority, Mike Morales, all demonetized. These are all level headed presenters to do not preach hate and fear. Some have 500,000 subscribers. YouTube’s words “ their audience is not deemed suitable for advertisers.” And yet Tavares, with her wild and dangerous radical propaganda - “your government is out to kill you” “this is all because of The Rothschilds” “NASA is a death machine” “protest, rebel, be fearful, hate is in the air.” YouTube’s tacit endorsement of Tavares “deemed suitable for advertisers”. “Hey, buy the Patriot Solar powercell” the “ Patriot this or that.” “Hey, 5G is coming and it’s going to be great!.”

We live in an upside down world. We face significant challenges. This is no time to be disabled by fear, or to be incited to murder each other, or to worship false DIGIGODS, or commit suicide or encourage others to commit suicide. “Suicide is wrong in the eyes of God” lamented one recent commenter. “A bullet taken while in the spirit of resistance is honorable in God’s eyes” resounded another Tavares listener, as an act of encouragement, this past weekend, June 14, 2019. God help us.

So there’s my Deborah Tavares story. You decide. Thanks for reading,

gongw

[Bill Ryan]

The experiencer tells in vivid detail how they became mind controlled, what life was like under this mind control, how they eventually worked it out, and steps to recovery. The mind controller in this case is Deborah Taveres but any truth movement hoaxer/cult leader equally applies.

Cross-reference this thread:


The Hoaxes of Deborah Tavares (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105568-The-Hoaxes-of-Deborah-Tavares)

[Pam]

It is really worth the time to read this. I would love to say this kind of thing never happened to me, but I can't. I have made some very poor decisions based on fear propagated by various dooms day scenarios. I am so glad this guy took the time to share his story.

[snoop4truth]

It is really worth the time to read this. I would love to say this kind of thing never happened to me, but I can't. I have made some very poor decisions based on fear propagated by various dooms day scenarios. I am so glad this guy took the time to share his story.

Hello peterpam,

As always, your words say it all.

You will note that the author of the story above credits the "Hoaxes Of Deborah Tavares" thread here on projectavalon.net with saving him/her! http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105568-The-Hoaxes-of-Deborah-Tavares.

He/She is referring to us, my friends. We saved him/her.

The author of the story above originally posted his work here on this thread on Waccobb.net. https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation).

We should let him/her know that he/she is not alone.

If we were all being perfectly honest, I think we can all agree that this author's experience with Deborah Tavares (and her FAKE conspiracies) was no different than the experience of any of the rest of us with Deborah Tavares (and her FAKE conspiracies). While he used different words, he/she says exactly the same thing that peterpam, xylo and I have said.

We have all suffered the same shared experience. It was painful and difficult for all of us. But, we came out the other side wiser and stronger.

And, none of us will be duped again.

All The Best,

Snoop

[AutumnW]

The first tip off is often the attitude towards others and presentation in terms of appearance. If the whole thing is over done and dramatic, you have to watch out! She appears to be a malignant narcissist and that is never a good thing. Also the repeated invoking of 'truth'. I don't mean using the word a bit overmuch to emphasize a point either. Its the repetition that indicates the speaker is more involved in persuasion technique and selling me something than seeking 'the truth.'

In my own life, I have found that those who harp on about truth, too much, are the ones least likely to have anything valuable to tell me.

[waves]

Why is this thread deceptively titled "Devastating effects of hoaxers/cult leaders" when it is a hit piece on ONE member of the truth community.

There is something, very, very disturbing and suspicious about Mr. Snoop.

I urge everyone to quick... before the countless references are removed.... to search on Snoop4Truth. You will find a HUGE campaign started by this guy last Feb/March on every alternative place he could find to post his EXACT same extremely long narratives, exact same BOLDING, COLORING, WORDING.

These different forums include follow up posts saying .... 'This just in..." ........ that he had repeated many times weeks before other places.

For one, try waccobb.net... https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation)

This is a very aggressive massive coast to coast campaign that would take someone a LOT of time. The odd thing to me is that Tavares's pushy, bolded, colored presentation has the exact same tactical 'odor' of 'Snoop'.

Are we seeing a bizarre new pretending to be both sides method of disinfo and muddying the waters about these awful agendas, really ultimately concocted and controller by one source?

[Bill Ryan]

Why is this thread deceptively titled "Devastating effects of hoaxers/cult leaders" when it is a hit piece on ONE member of the truth community.

I do get where you're coming from. But a couple of observations here, if I may:

1) This title was 100% Gemma13's, when she started the new thread. Gemma (as you may well know) has done extensive dedicated research on Corey Goode, David Wilcock, Pete Peterson, Emery Smith, and others as well.

So she's just pointing out the way seemingly charismatic and persuasive alt media speakers and bloggers can have a heavy-duty effect on quite a lot of people — and it really fits a pattern. This is just one case study, and there are many others.

And I think it does fit a pattern. As you and I may agree, even 'Qanon' has these 'follow-me-blindly-and-don't-ever-question-me' traits in common, though that material has only ever appeared in enigmatic text form.

2) I wouldn't call it a 'hit piece'. It really does seem to describe one person's authentic journey, very articulately, too. It's a warning, a story told against herself, how easy it is to have one's whole life turned around by blindly following some of these personalities, and believing them, initially without question.

3) But yes, maybe others reading this can link to other articles or blog posts written by some who have been taken in, only to later realize their mistake and how it affected them. That might then build on the title of the thread, which doesn't actually mention Tavares.

So this may be just a starting point for a useful discussion about quite a lot of people out there — who may not always be healthy influences on our emotional well-being.

[AutumnW]

What's not to like, Waves? She is a preposterous liar and Snoop4truth, nailed her on it. Good for him. There's waaayyyyy too much snake oil polluting the waters of 'truth.' And b.s artists like Tavares get away with it because their claims aren't properly vetted. I wish every guru wannabee and money grubbing psycho truth merchant was taken to task in the same way.

[waves]

Thanks Bill, I mostly agree with what about my post you addressed. But more than anything, I wanted the rest of it to be more the point so I should have said it more plainly.

I think the topic as the title states has tons of merit, but since the first post only talks about Tavares - AND - in this case, even the very aggressive person trying to bring Tavares down has just as many disturbing factors within his very pushy writing tactics and very suspicious sudden and urgent coast to coast campaign - the one person Gemma singled out to talk about may actually be only half of an even bigger weird agenda!

[Pam]

It is really worth the time to read this. I would love to say this kind of thing never happened to me, but I can't. I have made some very poor decisions based on fear propagated by various dooms day scenarios. I am so glad this guy took the time to share his story.

Hello peterpam,

As always, your words say it all.

You will note that the author of the story above credits the "Hoaxes Of Deborah Tavares" thread here on projectavalon.net with saving him! http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105568-The-Hoaxes-of-Deborah-Tavares.

He is referring to us, my friends. We saved him.

The author of the story above originally posted his work here on this thread on Waccobb.net. https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation).

We should let him know that he is not alone.

If we were all being perfectly honest, I think we can all agree that this author's experience with Deborah Tavares (and her FAKE conspiracies) was no different than the experience of any of the rest of us with Deborah Tavares (and her FAKE conspiracies). While he used different words, he says exactly the same thing peterpam, xylo and I have said.

We have all suffered the same shared experience. It was painful and difficult for all of us. But, we came out the other side wiser and stronger.

And, none of us will be duped again.

All The Best,

Snoop

Snoop, I am so happy to see your hard work and dedication to this cause are showing tangible results. If you look at how this kind of thing can devastate the life of someone who's only sin is looking for the truth (that and maybe not trying to verify "facts" presented). There are so many more out there and to varying degrees they have suffered because of this. Total immersion in this kind thing can't help but lead to some degree of hopelessness or possibly some kind of violent retaliation. It has to be very satisfying to know that this guys life and sanity were saved by your efforts.

[Pam]

Thanks Bill, I mostly agree with what about my post you addressed. But more than anything, I wanted the rest of it to be more the point so I should have said it more plainly.

I think the topic as the title states has tons of merit, but since the first post only talks about Tavares - AND - in this case, even the very aggressive person trying to bring Tavares down has just as many disturbing factors within his very pushy writing tactics and very suspicious sudden and urgent coast to coast campaign - the one person Gemma singled out to talk about may actually be only half of an even bigger weird agenda!

Snoop is a lawyer, and is very concise and logical in critiquing the inaccuracies in the documentation that Deborah provides. I set out to prove him wrong and ended up having to do a lot of self examination because I was the one who turned out to be wrong. Have you taken the time to actually look into what he is saying? A hit piece is only a hit piece if it is detrimental to someone because it is inaccurate and created just for the sake of defaming someone. I have found no inaccuracies in his writings. Don't let his direct style keep you from looking into what he has to say, I'm pretty sure you will change your mind if you really look at it.

Grouping a bunch of people into this thing called "the truth community" and giving them all the benefit of the doubt is not doing anyone any favors. Just like everything else, the truth community has become corrupted by those that see a great opportunity to either make money or get their 10 minutes of fame. It is our responsibility if we have the abilities to call them out if they are inaccurate. Doesn't it make you wonder why Deborah has never confronted Snoop if he is making things up? Surely, she knows what he is doing.

[waves]

I think there are big hoaxes within hoaxes unraveling here.

The evidence is mounting that Mr. Snoop is not what he is representing himself to be EITHER.

I know about waccobb.net from the inside and outside. It's a teeny new agey/leftist forum in leftist Sebastopol that used to be active, but has dwindled to nearly only the same 20 or so deeply blue pill Jews who barely discuss anything and alienated everyone else years ago. Autumn, your smug 'what's not to like?' with lots of projection and assumption disrespectfully completely ignores the POINT I made which is how BOTH Tavares and Snoop are displaying some very, very similar and suspicious behavior worth taking into consideration before buying that letter face value. I will now make a case that the OP letter is also part of the hoax.

First, I propose that - BOTH Tavares and Snoop - are Step 1 and Step 2 of a planned opposition agenda.

TASKED PERSON #1: Tavares - is tasked to be a prominent 'exposer' of Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda atrocities/plans - and was given many prepared false documents to use to gather a following for years. She is never censored, and is the often a promoted Youtube recommendation despite her frequent Rothschild/Jew blaming others are instantly banned for.

TASKED PERSON #2: Snoop4Truth - is years later tasked to be the supposed exposer of Tavares - all the 'Tavares false documents he exposes' serve to paint a picture that absolves the culpability of the Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda of everything Tavares is accusing them of. Snoop's vast coast to coast duplicate mass postings to smear Tavares GO button was pushed this spring.

The OP Letter by gongw is a rare, if ever posted, unidentified name/post on waccobb.net yet SNOOP instantly gloats: "He is referring to us, my friends. We saved him." How do you know gongw is male, Mr. Snoop?

Snoop (mr accuracy) will say it's an oops, but who cares. What's important is that the next hoax figure being introduced is 'the 'thanker'. This 'letter to the world' writer 'gongw' is looking like TASKED PERSON #3. This figure is playing the role of the great thanker being enlightened by all the great 'hoax exposing' Snoop has done. It would make his/her letter also a crafted hoax within this campaign intended to also be word for word mass distributed in the countless places Snoop has posted his crafted narratives.

It's looking to me like the true colors of this HOAX is to drip more juice on the "protect the Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda atrocities/plans social narrative". The gongw letter makes sure to include the very repeated 'poor Jews still victims' propaganda always about the 'lingering hatred and false accusations for no reason' (when in fact they're guilty as hell for having banking and msm MONOPOLY control for the worse - for only 2 major things):

“Kill the Jews” it’s the “Jew world order.” “throw the Jews down the well” Deborah, white wizard goddess of Truth has told us, it’s “the Rothschilds”, and so we know. “those Jews, “kill them before they kill us”, it went on and on. I don’t like that stuff at all. I abhor it.

...I have Jewish heritage in my family. Most of my best, lifelong friends are Jewish. Many of my mentors in the music business are Jewish. I have friends in Israel who protest Zionism and the abuse of the Palestinian people. I have as many Jewish friends and business associates as I do all other friends put together, but if wouldn’t matter to me if I had only one Jewish friend. I would still feel same way. This violent antisemitic stuff is bullsh*#. ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Jews DO NOT LIKE IT when their PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, MONOPOLY and/or CONTROL of the Federal Reserve, IRS, Stock Market and even Postal Service is exposed.

Snoop snuck in the very Jewish-interests protective statement .."No true government or true government agency is actually a PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION...." >There's a task - SELL THIS TOO.<

But this Mossad/Tavares/Snoop Hoax is being exposed on waccobb.net by one rare non-leftist there named Mayacaman. Today he (HE's identified himself), did an awesome job of destroying Snoop's propagandizing attempt (please read Mayacaman's other Snoop-challenging posts there).

Gemma, I think you happened to pick a much bigger and much more dangerous hoax than you even expected. If I'm right, look how quickly multi people even on Avalon fell for it face value.

Tavares is an agent. Snoop is an agent. It's a multi-curtain hoax where even the so called hoax exposer is part of the hoax. Yes the game can be devastating, especially for vulnerable newbies, but tactics are also being 'improved' to fool the awake. It's a no-brainer necessity for the enemy.

I think the motto/lesson of this thread should be: TAKE NOBODY FACE VALUE ANYMORE.

https://i.postimg.cc/NM6bhg8N/snoop.jpg

[Pam]

I think there are big hoaxes within hoaxes unraveling here.

The evidence is mounting that Mr. Snoop is not what he is representing himself to be EITHER.

I know about waccobb.net from the inside and outside. It's a teeny new agey/leftist forum in leftist Sebastopol that used to be active, but has dwindled to nearly only the same 20 or so deeply blue pill Jews who barely discuss anything and alienated everyone else years ago. Autumn, your smug 'what's not to like?' with lots of projection and assumption disrespectfully completely ignores the POINT I made which is how BOTH Tavares and Snoop are displaying some very, very similar and suspicious behavior worth taking into consideration before buying that letter face value. I will now make a case that the OP letter is also part of the hoax.

First, I propose that - BOTH Tavares and Snoop - are Step 1 and Step 2 of a planned opposition agenda.

TASKED PERSON #1: Tavares - is tasked to be a prominent 'exposer' of Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda atrocities/plans - and was given many prepared false documents to use to gather a following for years. She is never censored, and is the often a promoted Youtube recommendation despite her frequent Rothschild/Jew blaming others are instantly banned for.

TASKED PERSON #2: Snoop4Truth - is years later tasked to be the supposed exposer of Tavares - all the 'Tavares false documents he exposes' serve to paint a picture that absolves the culpability of the Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda of everything Tavares is accusing them of. Snoop's vast coast to coast duplicate mass postings to smear Tavares GO button was pushed this spring.

The OP Letter by gongw is a rare, if ever posted, unidentified name/post on waccobb.net yet SNOOP instantly gloats: "He is referring to us, my friends. We saved him." How do you know gongw is male, Mr. Snoop?

Snoop (mr accuracy) will say it's an oops, but who cares. What's important is that the next hoax figure being introduced is 'the 'thanker'. This 'letter to the world' writer 'gongw' is looking like TASKED PERSON #3. This figure is playing the role of the great thanker being enlightened by all the great 'hoax exposing' Snoop has done. It would make his/her letter also a crafted hoax within this campaign intended to also be word for word mass distributed in the countless places Snoop has posted his crafted narratives.

It's looking to me like the true colors of this HOAX is to drip more juice on the "protect the Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda atrocities/plans social narrative". The gongw letter makes sure to include the very repeated 'poor Jews still victims' propaganda always about the 'lingering hatred and false accusations for no reason' (when in fact they're guilty as hell for having banking and msm MONOPOLY control for the worse - for only 2 major things):

“Kill the Jews” it’s the “Jew world order.” “throw the Jews down the well” Deborah, white wizard goddess of Truth has told us, it’s “the Rothschilds”, and so we know. “those Jews, “kill them before they kill us”, it went on and on. I don’t like that stuff at all. I abhor it.

...I have Jewish heritage in my family. Most of my best, lifelong friends are Jewish. Many of my mentors in the music business are Jewish. I have friends in Israel who protest Zionism and the abuse of the Palestinian people. I have as many Jewish friends and business associates as I do all other friends put together, but if wouldn’t matter to me if I had only one Jewish friend. I would still feel same way. This violent antisemitic stuff is bullsh*#. ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Jews DO NOT LIKE IT when their PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, MONOPOLY and/or CONTROL of the Federal Reserve, IRS, Stock Market and even Postal Service is exposed.

Snoop snuck in the very Jewish-interests protective statement .."No true government or true government agency is actually a PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION...." >There's a task - SELL THIS TOO.<

But this Mossad/Tavares/Snoop Hoax is being exposed on waccobb.net by one rare non-leftist there named Mayacaman. Today he (HE's identified himself), did an awesome job of destroying Snoop's propagandizing attempt (please read Mayacaman's other Snoop-challenging posts there).

Gemma, I think you happened to pick a much bigger and much more dangerous hoax than you even expected. If I'm right, look how quickly multi people even on Avalon fell for it face value.

Tavares is an agent. Snoop is an agent. It's a multi-curtain hoax where even the so called hoax exposer is part of the hoax. Yes the game can be devastating, especially for vulnerable newbies, but tactics are also being 'improved' to fool the awake. It's a no-brainer necessity for the enemy.

I think the motto/lesson of this thread should be: TAKE NOBODY FACE VALUE ANYMORE.

https://i.postimg.cc/NM6bhg8N/snoop.jpg

After all that, did you actually read what he had to say?

[waves]

.....
After all that, did you actually read what he had to say?

Since you're only asking this question because you read what I had to say and honorably took the time to understand the entire big picture I laid out, I'll turn it back on you.

Knowing the Tavares history and my reasoning, what would you guess I think are the numerous dead giveaways in that letter?


forgot to add: And how do you know the writer really is a 'he' or Snoop is really a lawyer?

[Gemma13]

Thanks Bill, I mostly agree with what about my post you addressed. But more than anything, I wanted the rest of it to be more the point so I should have said it more plainly.

I think the topic as the title states has tons of merit, but since the first post only talks about Tavares - AND - in this case, even the very aggressive person trying to bring Tavares down has just as many disturbing factors within his very pushy writing tactics and very suspicious sudden and urgent coast to coast campaign - the one person Gemma singled out to talk about may actually be only half of an even bigger weird agenda!
Waves I appreciate your concerns and thank you for pointing them out as all “what ifs” are indeed important.

I am not here to convince you, or anyone else. Can’t be done. I can only say that after I was prompted to look into Tavares et al because of Snoops body of work I was horrified at the nefarious web she has created.

I believe cult mind control is endemic and needs us to be vigilant in exposing it. And as Bill mentioned, I did create this thread with the hope that:

. it brings comfort to people in similar circumstances

. it inspires courage and safety for others to share their stories

. it reminds and educates us to be ever wary of the traps of seduction by hoaxers/cult leaders

[Gemma13]

I think there are big hoaxes within hoaxes unraveling here.

The evidence is mounting that Mr. Snoop is not what he is representing himself to be EITHER.

[...]
The OP Letter by gongw is a rare, if ever posted, unidentified name/post on waccobb.net yet SNOOP instantly gloats: "He is referring to us, my friends. We saved him." How do you know gongw is male, Mr. Snoop?

Snoop (mr accuracy) will say it's an oops, but who cares. What's important is that the next hoax figure being introduced is 'the 'thanker'. This 'letter to the world' writer 'gongw' is looking like TASKED PERSON #3. This figure is playing the role of the great thanker being enlightened by all the great 'hoax exposing' Snoop has done. It would make his/her letter also a crafted hoax within this campaign intended to also be word for word mass distributed in the countless places Snoop has posted his crafted narratives.



As to Snoop having an alternative agenda, well I’m just not seeing it at this time, from the time I have invested, and will continue to support his efforts.

As to gongw coming forward with an alternative agenda, well I’m just not seeing it from information I was privy to, that it is simply not my right to share, and will remain grateful for his courage and honesty. [And this is not suggesting that you, or anyone else should take my word that gongw is as he says he is.]

If you have evidence to share Waves I would really appreciate you starting another thread to discuss whether Snoop or gongw are hoaxers. We can link to it from this thread. And I have no doubt there will be cooperative discourse to explore your statements.

If we continue a discussion here, based on your theory, it will detract from the main purpose of this thread, which is:

To encourage people to share devastating effects experienced from hoaxers/cult leaders.

Should your evidence prove out your theory then we can link it back to this thread.

[waves]

Gemma, ya this great topic did get off on an odd foot.

It's only today I put 2 & 2 together. When I realized that the letter you meant to illustrate what the effects of hoax might be... might be a hoax itself.... I felt compelled to spell out why. It would be very appropriate to have said so if true, but I don't need to argue the letter/Tavares/Snoop connection any more here. It wouldn't bother me if it got moved to his thread.

Not sure though how to see the exact line you're drawing. I think one will have to say 'what' fooled them to talk about how 'what' affected them. I wonder if there will be any claimed 'hoaxes' that won't be controversial or contentious. :-)

In other words, can't I talk about how the OP Letter hoax affected me? LOL.

Thank you for your kind explanation of your feelings about it.

[mindbend8r]

This is a very important post I think, thanks for posting

[xylo]

I concur, and thank you Snoop4Truth and Avalon Forum for creating and hosting the “hoaxes of Deborah Tavares” thread.

[xylo]

Waves no one should assume all “Jews” are political Zionists. Are all Italians in the mob? Are all Irish people drunks? All blacks have natural rhythm? All Mexicans happy, obedient yard workers? All Germans closet Nazis? All Russians drunk, brutal gangsters? All Canadians hockey players? All Chinese restaurant owners, laundry-people or dentists? All Arabs evil killers with long knives tucked in their belts? All white people racist? All Aussies genetically encoded criminals? Do I need to go on?

[waves]

Waves no one should assume all “Jews” are political Zionists. Are all Italians in the mob? Are all Irish people drunks? All blacks have natural rhythm? All Mexicans happy, obedient yard workers? All Germans closet Nazis? All Russians drunk, brutal gangsters? All Canadians hockey players? All Chinese restaurant owners, laundry-people or dentists? All Arabs evil killers with long knives tucked in their belts? All white people racist? All Aussies genetically encoded criminals? Do I need to go on?

Ignoring the point which is the Tavares/Snoop/fake thanker HOAX to arrive here to play the poor jew card is pretty pathetic. But I've seen this distraction tactic 1000x before. You sure have been the most wordy and unquestioning Snoop admirer in his hoax. 1+1+1+1...?

My words were"..they're guilty as hell for having banking and msm MONOPOLY control for the worse.... and it's true in SPADES. Their PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, MONOPOLY and/or CONTROL of the Federal Reserve, IRS, Stock Market, YouTube, Entertainment Industry and more... is the list on the table, not hockey players. There is no question their methodical buying up of all these major influencing behemoths has been a devastating infestation affecting all Americans and their freedoms and privacy.

My expose was not arguing the jew issue, it was exposing a very aggressive hoax circling it. I'm very disappointed you had no respect for Gemma's request and my agreement to not continue this issue here. I won't initiate, but will reply.

[xylo]

I think there are big hoaxes within hoaxes unraveling here.

The evidence is mounting that Mr. Snoop is not what he is representing himself to be EITHER.

I know about waccobb.net from the inside and outside. It's a teeny new agey/leftist forum in leftist Sebastopol that used to be active, but has dwindled to nearly only the same 20 or so deeply blue pill Jews who barely discuss anything and alienated everyone else years ago. Autumn, your smug 'what's not to like?' with lots of projection and assumption disrespectfully completely ignores the POINT I made which is how BOTH Tavares and Snoop are displaying some very, very similar and suspicious behavior worth taking into consideration before buying that letter face value. I will now make a case that the OP letter is also part of the hoax.

First, I propose that - BOTH Tavares and Snoop - are Step 1 and Step 2 of a planned opposition agenda.

TASKED PERSON #1: Tavares - is tasked to be a prominent 'exposer' of Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda atrocities/plans - and was given many prepared false documents to use to gather a following for years. She is never censored, and is the often a promoted Youtube recommendation despite her frequent Rothschild/Jew blaming others are instantly banned for.

TASKED PERSON #2: Snoop4Truth - is years later tasked to be the supposed exposer of Tavares - all the 'Tavares false documents he exposes' serve to paint a picture that absolves the culpability of the Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda of everything Tavares is accusing them of. Snoop's vast coast to coast duplicate mass postings to smear Tavares GO button was pushed this spring.

The OP Letter by gongw is a rare, if ever posted, unidentified name/post on waccobb.net yet SNOOP instantly gloats: "He is referring to us, my friends. We saved him." How do you know gongw is male, Mr. Snoop?

Snoop (mr accuracy) will say it's an oops, but who cares. What's important is that the next hoax figure being introduced is 'the 'thanker'. This 'letter to the world' writer 'gongw' is looking like TASKED PERSON #3. This figure is playing the role of the great thanker being enlightened by all the great 'hoax exposing' Snoop has done. It would make his/her letter also a crafted hoax within this campaign intended to also be word for word mass distributed in the countless places Snoop has posted his crafted narratives.

It's looking to me like the true colors of this HOAX is to drip more juice on the "protect the Rothschild/Mossad/Global Agenda atrocities/plans social narrative". The gongw letter makes sure to include the very repeated 'poor Jews still victims' propaganda always about the 'lingering hatred and false accusations for no reason' (when in fact they're guilty as hell for having banking and msm MONOPOLY control for the worse - for only 2 major things):

“Kill the Jews” it’s the “Jew world order.” “throw the Jews down the well” Deborah, white wizard goddess of Truth has told us, it’s “the Rothschilds”, and so we know. “those Jews, “kill them before they kill us”, it went on and on. I don’t like that stuff at all. I abhor it.

...I have Jewish heritage in my family. Most of my best, lifelong friends are Jewish. Many of my mentors in the music business are Jewish. I have friends in Israel who protest Zionism and the abuse of the Palestinian people. I have as many Jewish friends and business associates as I do all other friends put together, but if wouldn’t matter to me if I had only one Jewish friend. I would still feel same way. This violent antisemitic stuff is bullsh*#. ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Jews DO NOT LIKE IT when their PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, MONOPOLY and/or CONTROL of the Federal Reserve, IRS, Stock Market and even Postal Service is exposed.

Snoop snuck in the very Jewish-interests protective statement .."No true government or true government agency is actually a PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION...." >There's a task - SELL THIS TOO.<

But this Mossad/Tavares/Snoop Hoax is being exposed on waccobb.net by one rare non-leftist there named Mayacaman. Today he (HE's identified himself), did an awesome job of destroying Snoop's propagandizing attempt (please read Mayacaman's other Snoop-challenging posts there).

Gemma, I think you happened to pick a much bigger and much more dangerous hoax than you even expected. If I'm right, look how quickly multi people even on Avalon fell for it face value.

Tavares is an agent. Snoop is an agent. It's a multi-curtain hoax where even the so called hoax exposer is part of the hoax. Yes the game can be devastating, especially for vulnerable newbies, but tactics are also being 'improved' to fool the awake. It's a no-brainer necessity for the enemy.

I think the motto/lesson of this thread should be: TAKE NOBODY FACE VALUE ANYMORE.

https://i.postimg.cc/NM6bhg8N/snoop.jpg

Wait. Stop. Let me clear things up and apologize for any confusion.

I am xylo here, gongw there. I became aware of the Wacco thread here, from Snoop.

In trying to register at wacco, my “xylo” ID became somehow glitched. I was able to give “thanks” as you will see as xylo in all posts leading up to my gongw post. As “xylo”, I spent a few hours illustrating my Tavares story on Wacco, hit the “submit” button, and suddenly everything disappeared with a message that my forum membership was not complete, I had to re-log in, and until it was properly completed, I could give “thanks” but not post or respond. I sent several communications to the webmaster over a period of a few days, but nothing came of it and my “xylo” registration remained glitched. So, I started the registration process over again with the username gongw. That registration process completed properly and allowed me to post. I had and have no intention of trying to deceive anyone, I’m not a double secret sock puppet agent. You can see my history with this subject in the “hoaxes of Deborah Tavares” thread, here.

Snoop, I apologize if I made you look less than sincere. That never even occurred to me. I’m not a sophisticated conspiracy detective such as waves has demonstrated themself to be.

Everything I’ve written here and on Wacco is 100% true. I’m not part of any agenda, except my own personal agenda to shine a light of Tavares because of my harrowing experience with her nonsense. I did become traumatized and that creates a certain anger and resolve to become active in exposing her. Would I like to “bring her down?” Not physically, but as a deceiving and influential presence, absolutely.

None of this changes what Snoop has said and I have also reported. Discovering snoop’s “hoaxes” thread here did help me, more than I can express in written words. It really was and is exactly as I have written here as xylo and on Wacco as gongw. I would like to point out that there is no doubling up of “thanks” or posts using both usernames. I did not go back in the Wacco thread and also “thank” Snoop as gongw.
I thought I was playing by the rules of common decency, and I am. I understand how this might arouse Waves’ very suspicious mind, and the purpose of making all of this clear in this post is to put any suspicions to rest. It was very important for me to post in Wacco, and anywhere else I can add credibility or support to Snoop’s work. Tavares is an evil, malicious presence. I see the effect she has on vulnerable people. I truly am a fighter of antisemitism, I truly do have Jewish heritage in my family, and I certainly do know many Jewish people who protest Zionism, fight against it, and are on the side of the basic truth community, or perception of it, here. “The Jews this the Jews that.” How freaking ignorant and ridiculous. Waves what do you think? There’s a monthly Jew meeting where everyone gets their talking points and marching orders along with bagel and a dreidel?

Ok, I hope this clears everything up. I apologize for all the hubbub. I apologize for commenting at all within this thread before seeing the points Waves is driving home. My error. Sorry.

xylo here
gongw there

[xylo]

Waves I do not understand what you are saying, and I apologize for not seeing Gemma’s request, I’ve been preuccupied with alarm and have been writing a clarification because of observing how this has triggered you.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

xylo here
gongw there

[waves]

xylo, there was no accusation you were gongw. It did not cross my mind. All your words were playing the victim on a projection.

I mean this sincerely, seems like if anyone Jewish can keep this mind hopefully it will calm the defensiveness and help let go of taking every reference to the truly organized evil in your bloodline as a personal attack. It NEVER means the little guys or anyone not knowingly feeding their agenda. Just please quit being in denial of the vast blood-based organization not benefitting mankind, including lots of betrayal of their own:

Anyone negatively referring 'the Jews' is ONLY referring to......the AGENDA of those Jews who collectively and methodically bought up and now have either PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, MONOPOLY and/or CONTROL of ALL major influencing behemoths including the Federal Reserve, Banking System, IRS, Stock Market, Google/YouTube, Entertainment Industry, Big Pharma, Big AG and more that no question has been a devastating infestation affecting all Americans and their financial and personal health, freedoms and privacy for greatly the worse.

[xylo]

Waves, I posted clarification pre-emptively because you were getting all worked up and beginning to accuse and make 1+1+1 assumptions and I wanted to nip it in the bud, Bud.

When you say “The Jews”....well that’s exactly what you’re saying. Which Jews? My friend who is struggling, unemployed and dirt poor? How about my son, a veteran of Iraq and now an EMT who still struggles with PTSD? How about ex-military Sephardic and European Jews in Israel who are actively involved in fighting political Zionism? My friend who’s the drummer in a medium-popular rock band?

Be clear. No one is playing victim. Look at Tavares threads on youtube. People say stuff exactly like you do, and it triggers some other listener who is not emotionally stable and before you know it, they’re posting “kill the Jews.” Then someone else posts agreement and encouragement.

Would you say “the blacks?”

You come off as hot under the collar and knee-jerk reactionary. Look back at your posts. And don’t try to dodge responsibility and project it back at me. Just own it. You said it.

xylo

[waves]

Waves, I posted this clarification pre-emptively because you were getting all worked up and beginning to accuse and make 1+1+1 assumptions and I wanted to nip it in the +1 bud, Bud.

Bud? The true colors have arrived. I'm not getting 'worked up' and not using heated language. I knew this was a contentious topic and people would be triggered, I expected the heat and know I have to let the projections fly and wait for vindication of the Tavares/Snoop/gongw Hoax I feel I've identified.



When you say “The Jews”....well that’s exactly what you’re saying. Which Jews? My friend who is struggling, unemployed and dirt poor? How about my son, a veteran of Iraq and now an EMT who still struggles with PTSD? How about ex-military Sephardic and European Jews in Israel who are actively involved in fighting political Zionism? My friend who’s the drummer in a medium-popular rock band?

Be clear. No one is playing victim. Look at Tavares threads on youtube. People say stuff exactly like you do, and it triggers some other listener who is not emotionally stable and before you know it, they’re posting “kill the Jews.” Then someone else posts agreement and encouragement.

Would you say “the blacks?”


It appears I hit send first while you were repeating the same question I had already answered that you ignored. I was in the process of answering it again while you were typing.

Here it is one more time, this is crystal clear:

"Anyone negatively referring 'the Jews' is ONLY referring to......the AGENDA of those Jews who collectively and methodically bought up and now have either PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, MONOPOLY and/or CONTROL of ALL major influencing behemoths including the Federal Reserve, Banking System, IRS, Stock Market, Google/YouTube, Entertainment Industry, Big Pharma, Big AG and more that no question has been a devastating infestation affecting all Americans and their financial and personal health, freedoms and privacy for greatly the worse."



You come off as hot under the collar and knee-jerk reactionary. Look back at your posts. And don’t try to dodge responsibility and project it back at me. Just own it. You said it.

I choose words carefully and am more than willing to be accountable for them. Please show me where I was 'hot under the collar and knee-jerk reactionary".... please include whole context. Also, please show me where I called you gongw. The 1+ is your projection because I really didn't think you were gongw.

More than anything, I still don't get any sense that you honorably took the time to get the entirety of my reasoning and understand with calmness what led me to be convinced of the Tavares/Snoop/gongw Hoax.


Mods: I think Gemma's intention for this thread is effectively ruined. I suggest you let Gemma start a new thread with this wonderful topic and title and this thread name be changed to.... Tavares/Snoop4Truth/gongw hoax? ...and if you want, I'll write post to insert preceding the OP explaining what happened.

[snoop4truth]

What's not to like, Waves? She is a preposterous liar and Snoop4truth, nailed her on it. Good for him. There's waaayyyyy too much snake oil polluting the waters of 'truth.' And b.s artists like Tavares get away with it because their claims aren't properly vetted. I wish every guru wannabee and money grubbing psycho truth merchant was taken to task in the same way.

Hello AutumnW,

Finally, a person who REALLY gets it!

Nobody could have possibly said it better.

At some point, the followers of Deborah Tavares will wake up to the reality that:

1. Deborah Tavares has been lying to them;
2. Deborah Tavares is not their friend;
3. Deborah Tavares is their enemy;
4. Deborah Tavares has caused them catastrophic damage; and that
5. My mission is to prevent Deborah Tavares from inflicting even more damage upon her own followers;
6. My mission is to prevent Deborah Tavares from using her hoaxes to incite even more hatred and violence against Americans;
7. My mission is to prevent Deborah Tavares from getting innocent Americans killed;
8. I am telling the truth;
9. They should be supporting my efforts instead of the reverse.

Five Stars *****

Snoop

[snoop4truth]

It is really worth the time to read this. I would love to say this kind of thing never happened to me, but I can't. I have made some very poor decisions based on fear propagated by various dooms day scenarios. I am so glad this guy took the time to share his story.

Hello peterpam,

As always, your words say it all.

You will note that the author of the story above credits the "Hoaxes Of Deborah Tavares" thread here on projectavalon.net with saving him/her! http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105568-The-Hoaxes-of-Deborah-Tavares.

He/She is referring to us, my friends. We saved him/her.

The author of the story above originally posted this work here on this thread on Waccobb.net. https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation).

We should let him/her know that he/she is not alone.

If we were all being perfectly honest, I think we can all agree that this author's experience with Deborah Tavares (and her FAKE conspiracies) was no different than the experience of any of the rest of us with Deborah Tavares (and her FAKE conspiracies). While he/she used different words, he/she says exactly the same thing peterpam, xylo and I have said.

We have all suffered the same shared experience. It was painful and difficult for all of us. But, we came out the other side wiser and stronger.

And, none of us will be duped again.

All The Best,

Snoop

Snoop, I am so happy to see your hard work and dedication to this cause are showing tangible results. If you look at how this kind of thing can devastate the life of someone who's only sin is looking for the truth (that and maybe not trying to verify "facts" presented). There are so many more out there and to varying degrees they have suffered because of this. Total immersion in this kind thing can't help but lead to some degree of hopelessness or possibly some kind of violent retaliation. It has to be very satisfying to know that this guys life and sanity were saved by your efforts.

Dear peterpam,

Thank you for your kind words.

It is people like you that make all my hard work worth while.

I miss reading your posts so much.

The world needs more people like you.

All The Best,

Snoop

[snoop4truth]

Thanks Bill, I mostly agree with what about my post you addressed. But more than anything, I wanted the rest of it to be more the point so I should have said it more plainly.

I think the topic as the title states has tons of merit, but since the first post only talks about Tavares - AND - in this case, even the very aggressive person trying to bring Tavares down has just as many disturbing factors within his very pushy writing tactics and very suspicious sudden and urgent coast to coast campaign - the one person Gemma singled out to talk about may actually be only half of an even bigger weird agenda!

Snoop is a lawyer, and is very concise and logical in critiquing the inaccuracies in the documentation that Deborah provides. I set out to prove him wrong and ended up having to do a lot of self examination because I was the one who turned out to be wrong. Have you taken the time to actually look into what he is saying? A hit piece is only a hit piece if it is detrimental to someone because it is inaccurate and created just for the sake of defaming someone. I have found no inaccuracies in his writings. Don't let his direct style keep you from looking into what he has to say, I'm pretty sure you will change your mind if you really look at it.

Grouping a bunch of people into this thing called "the truth community" and giving them all the benefit of the doubt is not doing anyone any favors. Just like everything else, the truth community has become corrupted by those that see a great opportunity to either make money or get their 10 minutes of fame. It is our responsibility if we have the abilities to call them out if they are inaccurate. Doesn't it make you wonder why Deborah has never confronted Snoop if he is making things up? Surely, she knows what he is doing.

peterpam,

You are simply amazing.

Snoop

[AutumnW]

Maybe a certain poster could start a thread titled 'Buttsore Bigot.' There are those who have issues with Israeli foreign policy and concerns about media consolidation and pro Israel bias. But there is no conspiracy.

The domination by "Jews" in any specific industry is based primarily on competency and garden variety nepotism.

And when that poster is tired with fanning the teeny tiny dim embers of stupidity he can start one about 'leftists' being libtards and Communists and red bait the forum. How fun!

[waves]

Two things, to find out gongw actually was xylo all along explains a lot of confusion and deception in the air. It's beyond deceptive that xylo posted in this thread at all before admitting being the featured post of the OP! And in the heated rhetoric I thought xlyo was accusing me of saying she(?) was gongw, but I hadn't.

I apologize for (obviously) still getting it wrong even after the admitting. I misread the description of the difficulty registering at waccobb as happening after the letter in order to respond to it there, and kept trying to say I didn't accuse it (when I should have! LOL).

Something still feels very unnatural about this chain of events with xylo being Snoops only frequent replier and super admirer for months, then xylo's letter 'coincidentally' being plucked the day after from one post in an obscure place to be featured to start this thread, but I'll hesitantly remove xylo/gongw from the hoax I still suspect strongly. We will see if, as I predicted, that letter is also distributed on the other 40? 50? other sites Snoop has repeated his diatribes.

Without the 3rd player, I still stand firmly in where I started. For the same reasons I still suspect of Tavares and Snoop as a long-term tasked agenda and hoax. There's way too much smoke, bolded, pushy, yelling posts, deception, jew victim themes I've seen 1000x before and convenient fake docs for fodder because ultimately, Snoops agenda is a very intense attempt to (appear to) discredit someone calling out the Rothschild agenda - who deserve severe calling out.

So mods, to change my last request, if you want to let Gemma start over and change this thread name and let it be my hoax exposing thread, please change it to .... The Tavares/Snoop4Truth possible hoax.

[Gemma13]

So mods, to change my last request, if you want to let Gemma start over and change this thread name and let it be my hoax exposing thread, please change it to .... The Tavares/Snoop4Truth possible hoax.

waves perhaps you could start your own thread, instead of wanting to take mine by some reasoning of default, then ask for your posts to be moved there, to save me the hassle of having to start all over again.

[waves]

So mods, to change my last request, if you want to let Gemma start over and change this thread name and let it be my hoax exposing thread, please change it to .... The Tavares/Snoop4Truth possible hoax.

waves perhaps you could start your own thread, instead of wanting to take mine by some reasoning of default, then ask for your posts to be moved there, to save me the hassle of having to start all over again.

? It was an offer based on wishes you expressed earlier for this thread direction that is continuing to not happen at all. I'm not trying to take anything from you - I think this thread is an antagonistic mess of chaos. I don't see how you can move one person's posts within a discussion and not leave both threads nonsensical. Because what you intended got so convoluted I thought you'd maybe like to keep the title and make a clean start. Sorry you interpreted my suggestion as an affront, I won't offer again.

[Gemma13]

No affront taken. Just logistics.

Going back over this thread there is a point, POST #6 that could be broken off and moved into your NEW thread so that you could continue conversation. BUT, you would need to create this thread with the title you wanted this one to be changed to: The Tavares/Snoop4Truth possible hoax.

A suggestion: You could edit your opening statement, (in post #6), of:


Why is this thread deceptively titled "Devastating effects of hoaxers/cult leaders" when it is a hit piece on ONE member of the truth community.

to:

Why is this thread [INSERT LINK] deceptively titled "Devastating effects of hoaxers/cult leaders" when it is a hit piece on ONE member of the truth community.

A post could then be made in the thread I created linking it to your thread so that your quote of "this thread being an antagonistic mess of chaos" can be clarified.

Am I missing something? I don’t understand why you don’t just create your thread so we can sort the logistics and this thread can stay on topic?

[TomKat]

So there’s my Deborah Tavares story. You decide. Thanks for reading,
gongw

People do get carried away with becoming leaders. I don't respect leadership much, never have. I do suspect, however, than in 50 years one will look back and see that Deborah Tavares was more right about Agenda 21 than anyone else.

[snoop4truth]

So there’s my Deborah Tavares story. You decide. Thanks for reading,
gongw

People do get carried away with becoming leaders. I don't respect leadership much, never have. I do suspect, however, than in 50 years one will look back and see that Deborah Tavares was more right about Agenda 21 than anyone else.

TomKat,

When it comes to Agenda 21, what was Deborah Tavares right about?

DEBORAH TAVARES & THE AGENDA 21 HOAX.

VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ENGAGED IN THE HOAX:
(Jeff Rense is not involved in the hoax.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQfXQWHRAw at 4:40-4:50, 9:25-9:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeNsM0a75iE at 23:25-23:50

THE HOAX: In the "Agenda 21 Hoax", Deborah Tavares claims to have discovered another secret or leaked document which she fraudulently claims proves that the United Nations is using diabolical methods (like fires) to force us out or our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so.

AGENDA 21 IS A 100 PAGE DOCUMENT. Agenda 21 was written by the world's leading environmental scientists (not by "PG&E", the "Rothschilds" or the "Rockefellers"). Agenda 21 was first presented to the public at the "EARTH SUMMIT" (an environmental conference) in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil in 1992.

According to the "Agenda 21" document itself (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim), its purpose is to reduce the rate at which we deplete our natural resources to the same rate at which at which they can recover from being depleted (called "sustainable development"). It would have PROTECTED MOST OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, REDUCED DROUGHT and INSURED AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER not contaminated by SEWAGE.

According to the Agenda 21 DOCUMENT ITSELF, the purpose of Agenda 21 IS NOT to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes into tightly-packed, over-populated cities in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. Instead, according to the Agenda 21 DOCUMENT ITSELF, the REAL purpose of Agenda 21 is to PRESERVE MOST OF THE FORESTS THAT REMAIN, exactly the opposite to what Deborah Tavares claims in her hoax (to the effect that the United Nations destroyed the forests of California in furtherance of Agenda 21 WHICH WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO PRESERVE THOSE VERY FORESTS FROM DESTRUCTION IN THE FIRST PLACE).

AGENDA 21 IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THE UNITED STATES!
Agenda 21 was only a SUGGESTION that member nations were permitted, BUT NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT for themselves. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AS WHOLE REJECTED AGENDA 21. So, Agenda 21 is not the law ANYWHERE in the United States, does not apply ANYWHERE in the United States and cannot be (and is not) enforced ANYWHERE in the United States. So, Agenda 21 is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States.

BELOW IS A SECTION OF THE ACTUAL "TABLE OF CONTENTS" OF "AGENDA 21" ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF "AGENDA 21".

SECTION II. CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT OF RESOURCES FOR DEVELOPMENT
9. Protection of the atmosphere 9.1 - 9.35
10. Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources 10.1 - 10.18
11. COMBATING DEFORESTATION 11.1 - 11.40
12. MANAGING FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS: COMBATING desertification and DROUGHT 12.1 - 12.63
13. Managing fragile ecosystems: sustainable mountain development 13.1 - 13.24
14. Promoting sustainable agriculture and rural development 14.1 - 14.104
15. CONSERVATION OF BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY15.1 - 15.11
16. Environmentally sound MANAGEMENT OF BIODIVERSITY 16.1 - 16.46
17. Protection of the oceans, all kinds of seas, including enclosed and semi-enclosed seas, and coastal areas and the protection, rational use and development of their living resources 17.1 - 17.136
18. PROTECTION OF THE QUALITY AND SUPPLY OF FRESHWATER RESOURCES: application of integrated approaches to the development, MANAGEMENT and use OF WATER RESOURCES 18.1 - 18.90
19. Environmentally sound management of toxic chemicals, including prevention of illegal international traffic in toxic and dangerous products 19.1 - 19.76
20. Environmentally sound management of hazardous wastes, in hazardous wastes 20.1 - 20.46
21. Environmentally sound MANAGEMENT OF solid wastes and SEWAGE-RELATED ISSUES 21.1 - 21.49
22. Safe and environmentally sound management of radioactive wastes

AND, ALL OF THIS IS ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF AGENDA 21 HERE.
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

BELOW IS THE ACTUAL TEXT OF AGENDA 21.

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf
(THIS IS A MUST READ.). BEGIN AT SECTION 11.1 AT ABOUT 25% THROUGH THE TEXT. THE ACTUAL TEXT OF AGENDA 21 READS AS FOLLOWS:

AGENDA 21 – CHAPTER 11

COMBATING DEFORESTATION

PROGRAMME AREAS

A. Sustaining the multiple roles and functions of all types of FORESTS, FOREST LANDS and WOODLANDS.

Basis for action

11.1. There are major weaknesses in the policies, methods and mechanisms adopted to support and develop the multiple ecological, economic, social and cultural roles of TREES, FORESTS, and FOREST LANDS. Many developed countries are confronted with the effects of air pollution and FIRE DAMAGE ON THEIR FORESTS. More effective measures and approaches are often required at the national level to improve and harmonize policy formulation, planning and programming; legislative measures and instruments; development patterns; participation of the general public, especially women and indigenous people; involvement of youth; roles of the private sector, local organizations, non-governmental organizations and cooperatives; development of technical and multidisciplinary skills and quality of human resources; FORESTRY extension and public education; research capability and support; administrative structures and mechanisms, including intersectoral coordination, decentralization and responsibility and incentive systems; and dissemination of information and public relations. This is especially important to ensure a rational and holistic approach to the sustainable and environmentally sound development of FORESTS. The need for securing the multiple roles of FORESTS and FOREST LANDS through adequate and appropriate institutional strengthening has been repeatedly emphasized in many of the reports, decisions and recommendations of FAO, ITTO, UNEP, the World Bank, IUCN and other organizations.

Objectives
11.2. The objectives of this programme area are as follows:
a. To STRENGTHEN FOREST-RELATED NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, to enhance the scope and effectiveness of activities related to the management, CONSERVATION and sustainable development of FORESTS, and to effectively ensure the sustainable utilization and production of FORESTS' goods and services in both the developed and the developing countries; by the year 2000, to strengthen the capacities and capabilities of national institutions to enable them to acquire the necessary knowledge for the PROTECTION AND CONSERVATION OF FORESTS, as well as to expand their scope and, correspondingly, enhance the effectiveness of programmes and activities related to the management and development of FORESTS;
b. To strengthen and improve human, technical and professional skills, as well as expertise and capabilities to effectively formulate and implement policies, plans, programmes, research and projects on management, CONSERVATION and sustainable development of all types of FORESTS and FOREST-based resources, and FOREST LANDS inclusive, as well as other areas from which FOREST BENEFITS CAN BE DERIVED.

AND, THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF SECTION 11 OF AGENDA 21!

IMPORTANT: You will note from the actual WRITTEN words of Agenda 21, that THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR INCREMENTALLY REDUCING THE AREAS ALREADY OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE (to systematically drive them from their rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "KILL CITIES" or "SMART CITIES" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind). According to the actual WRITTEN words of Agenda 21 itself, its actual WRITTEN purpose is to keep things FROM GETTING EVEN WORSE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE (IN TERMS OF DEFORESTATION).

THE AGENDA 21 MAP: CLICK ON THE THIS LINK. ONCE THERE, CLICK ON THE TWO (2) YELLOW, ORANGE AND RED MAPS.
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=v9WSXKW_K4uo_Qb-3JyIBA&q=%22Agenda+21+map%22+PDF&btnK=Google+Search&oq=%22Agenda+21+map%22+PDF&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39.23888.34933..38030...3.0..0.177.1584.16j4....2..0....1..gws-wiz.....6..0i131j0j0i67j0i131i67j0i22i30.Fm6zNgdf57I

The Agenda 21 MAP of the United States is self-explanatory. It VISUALLY indicates that the purpose of Agenda 21 is TO LIMIT FURTHER DEFORESTATION, as described in the Agenda 21 document above. Note that the Agenda 21 map was made in or before 1992. Note that at the time it was made (in or before 1992), the remaining forests on the map that were to be off-limits to FURTHER (ADDITIONAL) DEFORESTATION were the FORESTS and WILDERNESS AREAS that remained undeveloped at that time (in or before 1992). Note also that those making the Agenda 21 map often tried to "CONNECT" isolated wilderness areas with one another using narrow (very thin) "migration trails" so that animals might find mates outside their tiny wilderness "reservations" so as to ensure "BIO-DIVERSITY" (also a stated goal of Agenda 21).

IMPORTANT: You will note by looking at the Agenda 21 map, that THERE IS NO AREA OF THE MAP OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED IN SIZE (OR MADE SMALLER) THAN THE AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE AT THE TIME THE MAP WAS MADE IN 1992. So, there is likewise nothing about the Agenda 21 map which suggests that people will occupy less of an area than they occupy now (or that might suggest that people will be systematically driven from their rural and suburban homes into tightly-packed, over-populated "KILL CITIES" or "SMART CITIES" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind). According to areas on the Agenda 21 map for which FURTHER (ADDITIONAL) development would be off-limits, it is perfectly obvious (when looking at the map) that the actual purpose of Agenda 21 was to keep things FROM GETTING EVEN WORSE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE (IN TERMS OF DEFORESTATION). No other conclusion is logically possible by looking at the Agenda 21 map.

CONCLUSION:
Unless the forgoing official documents taken from the ACTUAL PAGES of Agenda 21 are forgeries, THE RECENT CALIFORNIA FIRES DID NOT ADVANCE THE PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 (TO PREVENT FURTHER DEFORESTATION). INDEED, THE RECENT FIRES IN CALIFORNIA ACTUALLY UNDERMINED THE PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 (BY DESTROYING THE VERY FORESTS THAT AGENDA 21 WAS INTENDED TO PROTECT)!

THUS, THE RECENT CALIFORNIA FIRES WERE NOT AGENDA 21 FIRES, EVEN IF THEY WERE THE RESULT OF SOME OTHER CONSPIRACY, unrelated to Agenda 21.

So, whether or not there is a "planned extinction of mankind", this document provides no support for that proposition.

APPLICATION OF CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS:
If I were a charlatan, and if I wanted to create a BETTER version of the Agenda 21 Hoax, this is how I would do it.

1. I would create videos and I would show the REAL, ACTUAL "AGENDA 21" DOCUMENT (unmodified) showing the Agenda 21 "agenda" AS IT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN in the official document (showing that its purpose is to PROTECT THE REMAINING FORESTS, PREVENT DROUGHT AND ENSURE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE (all of which is verifiably true).

2. Then, in my videos, I would show written proof that "AGENDA 21" WAS REJECTED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AS A WHOLE AND THAT IT IS NOT THE LAW, AND THEREFORE IS NOT APPLICABLE AND IS NOT ENFORCEABLE ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES (all of which is verifiably true).

3. Then, in my videos, I would show ALL OF THE ENVIROMENTAL CATASTROPHES SUFFERED BY CALIFORNIANS SINCE 1992, when Agenda 21 was first proposed and rejected by the U.S. Government (DESTRUCTION OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, INCREASED DROUGHT, ABSENCE OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE, PEOPLE RENDERED HOMELESS AND DISPLACED BY FOREST FIRES, ETC.).

4. Then, in my videos, I would claim that "THE REFUSAL" (ITSELF) of U.S. Government to adopt "Agenda 21" in I992, and every year since then, constitutes conclusive "PROOF" that the U.S. Government ACTUALLY WANTED TO PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL THE REMAINING FORESTS IN CALIFORNIA, PURPOSELY INCREASE DROUGHTS IN CALIFORNIA AND PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL SUPPLIES OF FRESH WATER IN CALIFORNIA and to purposely drive Californians out of their rural and suburban homes and into cities far away from the forests and wilderness areas.

That would make a much BETTER "Agenda 21 Hoax", BECAUSE (except for the nefarious intentions of the U.S. Government part) IT IS ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, VERIFIABLY AND FACTUALLY TRUE IN EVERY SINGLE RESPECT! That would make for a much more LOGICAL explanation of the ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHIES IN CALIFORNIA than the story that Deborah Tavares peddles now (which actually CONTRADICTS Agenda 21).

THE "AGENDA 21" DOCUMENT ITSELF (UPON WHICH DEBORAH TAVARES HERSELF CLAIMS SHE RELIES IN MAKING HER CLAIMS) ACTUALLY CONTRADICTS WHAT DEBORAH TAVARES CLAIMS ABOUT "AGENDA 21".That is precisely why I posted sections of Agenda 21 here in the first place. I wanted to show proof that Deborah Tavares' claims about THIS PARTICUALR DOCUMENT are completely false (just like all her claims about all her other documents she uses in support of her claims). This means that Deborah Tavares HAS AGAIN lied to us about what HER OWN documents say.

MORE APPLICATION OF CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS:
FACT: When corporate interests are threatened by proposed laws that would reduce their profits, they launch a public relations campaign against those proposed laws. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose the proposed laws for reasons of their own selfish interests. Instead, they pretend that they oppose the proposed laws to protect the interests of society in general (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

EXAMPLE: CONSIDER THIS HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE AS IT RELATES TO AGENDA 21 (THIS MAY NOT HAVE EVER OCCURRED. IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE THIS PRINCIPLE OF CORPORATE PUBLIC RELATIONS WARS.). If made into law, Agenda 21 (a proposed law) would slow the rate at which logging corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests (and thereby slow the rate at which they generate profits).

So, these corporate interests launch a public relations campaign against Agenda 21. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose Agenda 21 to protect their own profits. Instead, they pretend to oppose Agenda 21 to protect the rest of society (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

So, they come up with a CAREFULLY-CRAFTED LIE intended to get the rest of society to oppose Agenda 21 as much as they do. Instead of admitting that Agenda 21 would only slow down the rate at which logging corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests, they falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY WORK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION! They falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY EXPAND THE FORESTS INTO AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND ALREADY OCCUPIED BY HUMANS, thereby systematically driving homeowners out of their rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, tightly packed, over-populated cities (something that the REAL Agenda 21 would not actually do).

This FRAUDULENT characterization of Agenda 21 would serve to make ALL THE REST OF SOCIETY join with those who profit by destroying the forests. The rest of society would OPPOSE "AGENDA 21" in the mistaken belief THAT THEY WERE SAVING THEIR OWN HOMES IN THE PROCESS. Now, THAT is a brilliant lie. But, it gets even better.

By telling such a lie, logging corporations and real estate developers, like Deborah Tavares, could continue DESTROYING THE FORESTS and continue to cash in without any opposition from the rest of society WHILE SIMULATANEOUSLY BLAMING "AGENDA 21" (WHICH NEVER BECAME LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE) FOR THE HARDSHIPS THAT THEY THEMSELVES KNOWINGLY INFLICT ON THE REST OF SOCIETY IN THE PURSUIT OF THEIR PROFITS (increased droughts and therefore increased forest fires, decreased fresh water supplies uncontaminated by sewage, etc.). Now, THAT is a TRULY brilliant lie, blaming a SUGGESTION that never became law, for the hardships suffered by Californians, when the SUGGESTION that never became law WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO PREVENT THOSE VERY HARDSHIPS FROM OCCURRING IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Remember, the foregoing is only an ILLUSTRATION of how corporate interests engage in disinformation campaigns in order to get society to oppose proposed laws that would reduce their profits. This is an example only. This may have never occurred. That is not the point.

The point is simply that Deborah Tavares lied to us about what the what the Agenda 21 document says in the same way that she lied to us about every other document she has ever used in support of her claims about the planned extinction of mankind.

I do not know if Deborah Tavares lied to us about the Agenda 21 document for same reasons of the type suggested in the hypothetical illustration above. As far as I am concerned, the reason she lied to us is irrelevant. All that really matters is that she lied to us AGAIN about what a document says is support of her claims of a planned extinction of mankind.

[xylo]

Two things, to find out gongw actually was xylo all along explains a lot of confusion and deception in the air. It's beyond deceptive that xylo posted in this thread at all before admitting being the featured post of the OP! And in the heated rhetoric I thought xlyo was accusing me of saying she(?) was gongw, but I hadn't.

I apologize for (obviously) still getting it wrong even after the admitting. I misread the description of the difficulty registering at waccobb as happening after the letter in order to respond to it there, and kept trying to say I didn't accuse it (when I should have! LOL).

Something still feels very unnatural about this chain of events with xylo being Snoops only frequent replier and super admirer for months, then xylo's letter 'coincidentally' being plucked the day after from one post in an obscure place to be featured to start this thread, but I'll hesitantly remove xylo/gongw from the hoax I still suspect strongly. We will see if, as I predicted, that letter is also distributed on the other 40? 50? other sites Snoop has repeated his diatribes.

Without the 3rd player, I still stand firmly in where I started. For the same reasons I still suspect of Tavares and Snoop as a long-term tasked agenda and hoax. There's way too much smoke, bolded, pushy, yelling posts, deception, jew victim themes I've seen 1000x before and convenient fake docs for fodder because ultimately, Snoops agenda is a very intense attempt to (appear to) discredit someone calling out the Rothschild agenda - who deserve severe calling out.

So mods, to change my last request, if you want to let Gemma start over and change this thread name and let it be my hoax exposing thread, please change it to .... The Tavares/Snoop4Truth possible hoax.

Waves. You either think too hard and react too quickly or I am simply too slow. Make it easy let’s say I’m too slow. Slow, but not so slow as to not have acknowledged, right away, the confusing and less than best way I proceeded. I’m just dumb. I thought it was no big deal until I realized where your mind was going. Then I panicked at the really realization of my error, owned up to it and wrote a clarification to post here ASAP.

There is and was no intent at deception. There is a perfectly good reason for things having occurred as they did. I’ve explained. Perhaps naïvely I didn’t think it was a big deal as there was no double posting within the wacco thread under 2 user names. I hade no idea Gemma would turn into into its own thread here. I had said straight up- that I should have posted nothing within this thread but as soon as I realized it was arousing your suspicions I responded and made hints clear as quickly as a could. It was an error. I don’t know what else I can do except repeat myself but you’re a smart person and it’s unneccessary. I can assure you, and I think you know enough to know without having to be told, that if deception had been the agenda, said attempts would be carried out much more gracefully and smoothly by someone who is much better at it cloak and dagger than I am. I don’t have the vocabulary or background or chops to be any kind of shill, or disinformation agent, or operative, and clarified as quickly as I could. Honestly. If it’s not enough to satisfy you, oh well. I don’t know what else I could have done. Anyway I get the impression you live for confrontation and conflict and you’ll never be happy until you’ve created that wherever you go, and suspect everyone and everything. There’s nothing I can do about that. When I posted my original clarification. You responded that it was no big deal, my clarificatiin was unnecessary, and suggested perhaps I was being over-vigilant, of course being given time to incubate, I’m see you’ve arrived at a more satisfying POV where suspicions abound. As I had said before and am repeating now.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.

I don’t feel it redundant for that post in wacco under a different user name. My posts there are soon to be non-existent as that forum has a playground psychotic bully who is known to be mentally ill, physically violent and has the moderator hiking in his boots and maintaining a double standard where psycho-boy is allowed to insult, trampal and abuse members but members are not allowed in to even protest psycho-boy’s methodology. I will not bow to bullying and submitting to a double standard. As you correctly observed, the forum is at the very least, moderated by a Softie. I don’t care what their political leaning might be.

So there we are. While you may be one of those rare individuals who never makes a mis-step, I’m not.

All I can do is what I’ve done.

Xylo

[snoop4truth]

Why is this thread deceptively titled "Devastating effects of hoaxers/cult leaders" when it is a hit piece on ONE member of the truth community?




Hello waves,

Thank you for joining us.

YOUR COMMENT: Why is this thread deceptively titled "Devastating effects of hoaxers/cult leaders" when it is a hit piece on ONE member of the truth community?

MY RESPONSE: First, while she pretends otherwise, Deborah Tavares is not a member of the "truth" community. She would have to tell the "truth" to be a member of the "truth" community. But, she does not.

Second, this effort is not a hit piece. It is an act of love. But, you do not even have the sense to realize it. This effort is the result of a genuine, heart-felt, concern for the well-being of other human beings, including you. This is an effort to prevent others from suffering the same fate, including you. Given this reality, your characterization of this effort as a hit piece is shameful and a disgrace. And, you don't even have the sense to realize it.

Third, the title of this thread is not "deceptive". In case you had not noticed, the actual title of this thread does not even mention the name, "Deborah Tavares". While the first comment in this thread relates solely to the devastating consequences of believing Deborah Tavares, its actual message is universal and has much broader ramifications. And, the author, Gemma13, specifically stated so below the title.

"The mind controller in this case is Deborah Tavares BUT [the message applies equally to] ANY TRUTH MOVEMENT HOAXER/CULT LEADER... .

IT [the message] APPLIES TO ALL OF US!"


The wisdom and teachings reflected by xylo's/gongW's first comment above apply to all charlatans and to all of their victims, including you.

While you do not realize it, xylo/gongW, in so eloquently revealing his/her downfall & recovery and Gemma13, in creating this thread to share it, were actually trying to help people like you. But, you do not even have the sense to realize it.

Indeed, not only do you mindlessly attack these benevolent people for actually trying to help you, you actually defend the very charlatan who is abusing and defrauding you and the rest of the world in the process. And, you do not even have the sense to realize it.

Your thinking and reasoning process is entirely simple and superficial. All Deborah Tavares has to do is wrap herself in the flag of conspiracy theory and you simply turn your critical thinking skills off. This is because the claims of Deborah Tavares validate you own belief system. But, validation of your belief system is not reason enough for you to simply turn your critical thinking skills off and mindlessly attack innocent people who are genuinely trying to help you.

Indeed, your openly hostility and threatening behavior in this regard is conclusive proof that Deborah Tavares is wildly successful in her true mission to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. You are living proof of that. Just look at yourself. Look at your hatred.

No, the title of this thread is not deceptive. Deborah Tavares is not the only charlatan out there who uses fraud and hoaxes to sell her hatred to all of mankind. And, her victims are not the only victims. The message of this thread is universal and applies to all charlatans who impersonate members of the truth movement.

You arrived late to this party. If you had arrived on time, you would know that Deborah Tavares had to wait for years for her turn to be exposed as the charlatan that she really is. So, this is not about exposing "ONE" single charlatan as you contend. Deborah Tavares is just the most recent installment.

I first exposed Rodney "DALE" Class, a functionally-illiterate, mentally-ill, amateur legal theorist and multi-convicted, weapons-related felon who uses fraud and hoaxes to sell his hatred of the law, law enforcement, the legal system, lawyers and judges. Class has broadcast and posted online a thousand hate-filled radio shows. Class once had a hundred hate-filled videos on YouTube and had tens, if not hundreds of thousands of hate-filled followers. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99447-Rod-Class-his-many-hoaxes. The wisdom and teachings reflected by xylo's/gongW's comment above apply "equally" to Rodney "DALE" Class and to all of his victims. The message is universal.

Next, I exposed Debra Jones, a FAKE former attorney and a FAKE former police woman. See the bottom of Post #3 here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99447-Rod-Class-his-many-hoaxes. The wisdom and teachings reflected by xylo's/gongW's comment above apply "equally" to Debra Jones and to all of her victims. The message is universal.

Then, I exposed Eddie Craig, a FAKE "former deputy sheriff" IMPOSTER who uses fraud and hoaxes to sell his hatred of the law, law enforcement, the legal system, lawyers and judges. Eddie Craig teaches seminars on amateur legal theories and has a single video on YouTube with over half a million views (to the effect that drivers of motor vehicles do not need driver's licenses). http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99564-Eddie-Craig-the-former-deputy-sheriff-hoax. The wisdom and teachings reflected by xylo s/gongW's comment above apply "equally" to Eddie Craig and to all of his victims. The message is universal.

Then most recently, I exposed Deborah Tavares. The wisdom and teachings reflected by xylo's/gongW's comment above apply 'equally" to Deborah Tavares and to all of her victims, including you. The message is universal.

So, the wisdom and teachings of xylo's/gongW's first comment above applies to all charlatans who impersonate members of the truth movement, not just to Deborah Tavares.

Suffice it to say that the title of this thread is not deceptive and the wisdom and teachings of xylo's comment above are universal.

Best Regards,

Snoop

[Akasha]

In Waves' defence, that Gongw turned out to be xylo doesn't exactly reinforce the independent validity of the OP. All it is is Snoop's biggest cheerleader (sorry xylo but stat's are stat's) sharing their testimony on another site under another name.

[snoop4truth]

In Waves' defence, that Gongw turned out to be xylo doesn't exactly reinforce the independent validity of the OP. All it is is Snoop's biggest cheerleader (sorry xylo but stat's are stat's) sharing their testimony on another site under another name.

Hello Akasha,

You think "xylo/gongW" is my biggest cheerleader? Really?

I thought "peterpam" was my biggest cheerleader. Oh, well. Sorry "peterpam". HAHA!

Remember, "xylo/gongW" had NOTHING to do with his/her story being posted here on projectavalon.net, much less having it featured as the subject of its own, separate thread, as it now appears.

Instead, "xylo/gongW" was left completely out of the loop.

These are the facts:

1). I went to Waccobb.net one day and saw this post here (post #67). https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation)/page3.

2). At the time, I had no way to know (and did not know) that "gongW" was the same person as "xylo". Indeed, "xylo" (under that name) had already thanked me on Waccobb.net for my posts there BEFORE trying to become a member there. So, when "gongW" posted the subject story about his/her fall and recovery (post # 67), I logically believed that "gongW" was somebody entirely different from "xylo". (Waccobb does not allow people to email each other until the become formal members of Waccobb).

3). I was so profoundly moved by the subject story that I copied it on Waccobb.net and then, without ANYONE'S knowledge or consent, I posted it here on projectavalon.net in the main Deborah Tavares thread.

4). Ironically, I did this in part to let "xylo" know that he/she was not alone in his/her experiences with Deborah Tavares and that another person ("gongW") had reported a similar experience with regard to Deborah Tavares over on Waccobb.net. (Now, that is funny. Now, I know why "their" experiences were so similar. HAHA!).

5). After I posted the subject story here on projectavalon.net in the main Deborah Tavares thread, Gemma13 (also arguably my biggest cheerleader), also without ANYONE'S knowledge or consent, copied the subject story in the main Deborah Tavares thread and used it as the subject of its own separate thread where it appears now.

6). That means that "xylo/gongW" had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his/her story appearing here on projectavalon.net, much less here in a new Gemm13 thread as part of an alleged "conspiracy".

And, in defense of "xylo/gongW", if he/she was really involved in some kind of conspiracy, then he/she would not have voluntarily (and without solicitation) announced to the entire world that he/she was both "zylo" here on projectavalon.net and "gongW" on Waccobb.net, something that he/she did not have to announce in the first place.

That voluntary announcement proves that "xylo/gongW" did not have ulterior motives, was not engaged in anything conspiratorial and confirms that "xylo/gongW" is TRULY person of honesty and integrity, because that announcement is something that he/she did not have to do in the first place.

Further, "xylo/gongW's" explanation for being forced to use an alternate name solely in order to get through Waccobb.net's registration glitches makes perfect sense.

It is clear that "xylo/gongW" had every intention of using the name "xylo" on Waccobb.net BECAUSE HE/SHE HAD ALREADY USED THAT VERY NAME ON THAT SITE IN THANKING ME FOR MY POSTS (non-members can "thank", but not post comments there).

So, it was already PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that "xylo" had been to Waccobb.net as "xylo" and that he/she was there in support of my revealing the truth about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares on that site BECAUSE HE/SHE HAD ALREADY USED THAT NAME ON THAT SITE IN THANKING ME FOR MY POSTS.

Conspiracy? I don't think so.

That means that neither "xylo" (or any of her alleged co-conspirators) had any way to benefit by him/her becoming "gongW" on Waccobb, EXCEPT TO GET THROUGH WACCOBB'S REGISTRATION GLITCHES.

It was already PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that "xylo" has already been to Waccobb in support of my claims about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares.

Finally, consider this. This is not about who supports my efforts or who is my "biggest cheerleader" ANYWAY.

This is ONLY about whether my claims about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares are true or false.

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

Cheerleaders have nothing to do with the truth or falsity of a claim.

If you catch yourself focusing on ANYTHING other than the truth of my claims about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares, then you are completely lost and you are focusing on something that COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT (meaning something that has no bearing whatsoever on whether my claims are true or false).

Let's not get confused here.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE TRUTH OF MY CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOAXES OF DEBORAH TAVARES.

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS (cheerleaders, pen names, capital letters, fonts, colors, long posts, etc.).

With Much Respect,

Snoop

[Akasha]

Hey Snoop,

As you know, I appreciate your work as evidenced by my thanks within the DTH thread. Thanks for clarifiying the minutia of this situation. Perhaps it will be of help to waves too.

[TomKat]

So there’s my Deborah Tavares story. You decide. Thanks for reading,
gongw

People do get carried away with becoming leaders. I don't respect leadership much, never have. I do suspect, however, than in 50 years one will look back and see that Deborah Tavares was more right about Agenda 21 than anyone else.

TomKat,

When it comes to Agenda 21, what was Deborah Tavares right about?


I don't read long diatribes, yours is no exception. I don't think Agenda 21 is a hoax. I heard about it well before she came on the scene. Back in the mid-90s people were talking about UN Biospheres, the Wilderness Society, and the UN's intention to herd everyone into cities. You are calling it the Agenda 21 Hoax yet you also refer to the Agenda 21 document -- is it a hoax or not? If the document exists, your coining the term Agenda 21 Hoax reveals you to be a propagandist, since someone reading Agenda 21 Hoax will be led to think there is no Agenda 21.

[Pam]

TomKat, with all due respect, if you will not read what Snoop has to say about Agenda 21 how can you comment on it? I think this is the essential problem here. You identify an issue, in this case Agenda 21 which you feel strongly about and you are willing to defend someone because she says things you agree with.

The point here is that she if fortifying or backing up her argument with information that is inaccurate. That means she is being dishonest. It doesn't mean every single thing she says is wrong, it means she is willing to present inaccurate information to make her point. It's not enough to believe someone because they have the same viewpoint as you do on a topic, or the because they seem sincere.

I have to question her agenda. Why lie and create deceptive documents if you can find talking points that don't need to be dishonest on a subject? Is it because the drama of claiming to have documents proving her point gets more interest, thus more views and finally more money? What kind of effect would Deborah have on someone just beginning to seek the truth, if they researched her "documents" and discovered she is inaccurate?

This is exactly how unscrupulous, "truth tellers" can manipulate us.

[snoop4truth]

Hey Snoop,

As you know, I appreciate your work as evidenced by my thanks within the DTH thread. Thanks for clarifiying the minutia of this situation. Perhaps it will be of help to waves too.

Dear Akasha,

YOUR COMMENT: As you know, I appreciate your work as evidenced by my thanks within the DTH thread.

MY RESPONSE: Yep. We're old pals.

YOUR COMMENT: Thanks for clarifying the minutia of this situation.

MY RESPONSE: You're welcome. Somebody had to do it. If you don't know the facts, it could look like a scandal. But, there is no scandal here. We're just good people trying to get the truth out and trying to help other people avoid the same fate we suffered.

YOUR COMMENT: Perhaps it will be of help to waves too

MY RESPONSE: I certainly hope so. He is precisely the type of person that we are all trying to help.

With Much Respect,

Snoop

[snoop4truth]

So there’s my Deborah Tavares story. You decide. Thanks for reading,
gongw

People do get carried away with becoming leaders. I don't respect leadership much, never have. I do suspect, however, than in 50 years one will look back and see that Deborah Tavares was more right about Agenda 21 than anyone else.

TomKat,

When it comes to Agenda 21, what was Deborah Tavares right about?


I don't read long diatribes, yours is no exception. I don't think Agenda 21 is a hoax. I heard about it well before she came on the scene. Back in the mid-90s people were talking about UN Biospheres, the Wilderness Society, and the UN's intention to herd everyone into cities. You are calling it the Agenda 21 Hoax yet you also refer to the Agenda 21 document -- is it a hoax or not? If the document exists, your coining the term Agenda 21 Hoax reveals you to be a propagandist, since someone reading Agenda 21 Hoax will be led to think there is no Agenda 21.


Hello TomKat,


YOUR COMMENT: I don't read long diatribes,

MY RESPONSE: Perhaps you should. You might actually learn something you don't already know.

YOUR COMMENT: I don't think Agenda 21 is a hoax.

MY RESPONSE: It isn't. Agenda 21 is REAL. Agenda 21 is a document. So, the document itself is not a hoax. The hoax is what Deborah Tavares falsely claims the document says.

But, there is more. Agenda 21 was ONLY A SUGGESTION that member nations were PERMITTED, BUT NOT REQUIRED to adopt for themselves. The government of the United States REJECTED AGENDA 21. So, Agenda 21 IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THE UNITED STATES.

So, whatever Agenda 21 would have otherwise done (protect the environment or drive us into tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities"), IT WILL NOT DO IT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

QUESTION: Did Deborah Tavares ever tell you that? (If not, she is guilty of fraud by concealment.).

YOUR COMMENT: I heard about it well before she came on the scene. Back in the mid-90s people were talking about UN Biospheres, the Wilderness Society, and the UN's intention to herd everyone into cities.

MY RESPONSE: I have never claimed that Deborah Tavares is the original source of all of the false claims about Agenda 21. I have only claimed that what Deborah Tavares claims the Agenda 21 document says is false.

YOUR CLAIMS: You are calling it the Agenda 21 Hoax yet you also refer to the Agenda 21 document -- is it a hoax or not?

MY RESPONSE: Agenda 21 is a document. So, the document itself is not a hoax. The hoax is what Deborah Tavares falsely claims the document says.

YOUR COMMENT: If the document exists, your coining the term Agenda 21 Hoax reveals you to be a propagandist, since someone reading Agenda 21 Hoax will be led to think there is no Agenda 21.

MY RESPONSE: Would you prefer that the title of my expose' on this subject be changed to read, "The Agenda 21 Document Is Real, But What Deborah Tavares Says The Agenda 21 Document Says Is A Hoax"? If not, what title would you prefer?

A FINAL WORD OF WISDOM: In evaluating any individual claim of Deborah Tavares, you should NOT look at that claim in isolation. Instead, you should evaluate that claim in light of all the surrounding circumstances. For example, ask yourself these questions: 1). Does Deborah Tavares make other similar claims? 2). Are those other similar claims true or false? 3). Does the claim fit into a PATTERN of fraud? 4). Does the claim further the same agenda as her other similar claims? 5). Does the new claim result in the same response in the listener as the other similar claims?

Think. It's OK.

AND, PATTERNS OF CONDUCT NEVER LIE!

NEVER!

With Respect,

Snoop

[snoop4truth]

Post scroll down to Post #50.

[Kryztian]

Since the thread title does not refer to Deborah Tavares, I hope this video is not "off topic". It really focuses on the devasting effects a cult can do. Unless you are an Australian, you may not have heard of Serge Benhayon and his cult Universal Medicine. This really shows how a small group of people can do so much to destroy the lives of others.

DkSQTMHJK4c

To his followers, Serge Benhayon is a healer, a spiritual guide, and a god-like figure. They’ve signed over millions of dollars to share his wisdom and smooth their path to the afterlife. But he preaches that we’re surrounded by aliens, and that disabled children are evil reincarnated. Why are so many Australians devoted to him? Matt Doran investigates. This story originally aired on the 17 February 2019.

[Gemma13]

Since the thread title does not refer to Deborah Tavares, I hope this video is not "off topic". It really focuses on the devasting effects a cult can do. Unless you are an Australian, you may not have heard of Serge Benhayon and his cult Universal Medicine. This really shows how a small group of people can do so much to destroy the lives of others.

DkSQTMHJK4c

To his followers, Serge Benhayon is a healer, a spiritual guide, and a god-like figure. They’ve signed over millions of dollars to share his wisdom and smooth their path to the afterlife. But he preaches that we’re surrounded by aliens, and that disabled children are evil reincarnated. Why are so many Australians devoted to him? Matt Doran investigates. This story originally aired on the 17 February 2019.

Great link, thanks Kryztian.

The psychological manipulation on academics, practitioners, people it is difficult to believe would be gullible, etc, revealed in this video, is nothing short of shocking.

The evidence is overwhelming. And yet we witness in the video people completely devoted to him. It is mind boggling.

An incredibly useful and educational visual aid documentary on contemporary cult leaders and their followers!

A dying mother’s mind controlling emails from Benhayon corrupting her to distance herself from her children and to leave her considerable estate to him, because it would hurt her and her children if she left it to them, is heinous.

Benhayon labels all disabled children as evil reincarnations.

He says . . . actually there’s too much . . . I’m speechless at the moment . . . so I’ll leave it up to those who choose to watch this to take away why it is so important these people need to be exposed. And how important it is for these brave people to come forward to endure more pain because they are exposing the truth.

Benhayon sued a critic for defamation. He lost.

Jury verdict: “It was substantially true to say he led a "socially harmful cult", made "bogus healing claims", "intentionally indecently touched" her and a number of other clients, and as Ms Rockett claimed, that there were "reasonable grounds to believe" Mr Benhayon intentionally sexually preyed upon her and other clients during treatment sessions. It was also found substantially true to say Mr Benhayon "had an "indecent interest in young girls as young as ten whom he causes to stay at his house unaccompanied", "is guilty of inappropriate behaviour with children" and "is dishonest".

Other substantial truth findings by the jury were that he "vilifies people with disabilities", "exploits cancer patients by targeting them to leave him bequests in their wills", "dishonestly promotes fraudulent ideas of karma for self-gain", "denigrates life and glorifies death" and "is a hypocrite because his Esoteric Healing has death as its goal". The Northern Star also reported further substantial truth findings that "Serge Benhayon engages in inappropriate conduct towards women", "instructed students at Universal Medicine training workshops to touch the genitals of victims of sexual assault", "has engaged in bullying to stop Esther Rockett exposing that he is guilty of inappropriate behaviour with children" and "is not a fit person to hold a Working with Children Certificate".

The jury found allegations that Benhayon was "delusional", had "a propensity to touch girls inappropriately", "groped the genitals of various women under the guise of treating them" or "instilled fear and guilt in children to get them to do his bidding" were not substantially true or upheld, instead they were covered by Rockett's qualified privilege.


And it just keeps getting worse: Benhayon left his wife for a younger woman who is now his wife. Both women and his daughters are all intricately part of his deception by supporting him and leading workshops.
It really has to be seen to be believed.

[TomKat]

MY RESPONSE: Would you prefer that the title of my expose' on this subject be changed to read, "The Agenda 21 Document Is Real, But What Deborah Tavares Says The Agenda 21 Document Says Is A Hoax"? If not, what title would you prefer?


As I said, she has gotten carried away. But she's performing a valuable service in alerting people to the agenda being pursued by whoever THEY are. They are not necessarily the official government. But they are attempting to drive people out of the countryside and into the cities. I believe they want to set aside vast areas of non-populated areas for fracking, mining, and general rape and pillage. And 50 years from now, if we don't stop it, you will see that she was right. And you are performing a valuable service in point out her exaggerations.

[snoop4truth]

What follows goes out to my new friend TomKat. It incorporates my brand new discovery.

DEBORAH TAVARES & THE AGENDA 21 HOAX.

For all other Deborah Tavares hoaxes (NASA, Silent Weapons, Iron Mountain, Agenda 21, PG&E Fires, Genocide), click here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105568-The-Hoaxes-of-Deborah-Tavares

VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ENGAGED IN THE HOAX:
(Jeff Rense is not involved in the hoax.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQfXQWHRAw at 4:40-4:50, 9:25-9:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeNsM0a75iE at 23:25-23:50

THE DOCUMENTS:
The Agenda 21 Hoax is based on two documents. Agenda 21 itself was a REAL United Nations document. It was a SUGGESTION to protect the environment WHICH THE UNITED STATES SENATE REJECTED. So, it never became the law. (See the 2nd paragraph here. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/article-ii-section-2). The document was REAL. So, the hoax is not the document itself. The other document involved in this hoax is a "SIMULATED" land use map which Deborah Tavares fraudulently calls the "Agenda 21 Map". This "SIMULATED" land use map is NOT REAL and DOES NOT EVEN APPLY TO AGENDA 21 in the first place. Instead, it was the work of a single opponent to the "Biological Diversity Treaty" (something different from Agenda 21) and was used to create opposition to that particular proposed treaty, WHICH THE UNITED STATES SENATE ALSO REJECTED. Because the United States Senate REJECTED BOTH Agenda 21 and the Biological Diversity Treaty (to which the map related), BOTH AGENDA 21 AND THE BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY TREATY ARE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THE UNITED STATES. Deborah Tavares knew the truth (above) all along, but nevertheless decided to lie to her followers about it in order to incite fear, hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

THE HOAX:
In the "Agenda 21 Hoax", Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that the Agenda 21 document "PROVES" that the United Nations is using diabolical methods (like fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to force us out or our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so.

The Agenda 21 document was written by the world's leading environmental scientists (not by "PG&E", the "Rothschilds" or the "Rockefellers"). Agenda 21 was first presented to the public at the "EARTH SUMMIT" (an environmental conference) in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil in 1992.

The "Agenda 21" document suggested that we reduce the rate at which we deplete our natural resources to the same rate at which at which they can recover from being depleted (called "sustainable development"). If the United States Senate had ratified or approved Agenda 21, it would have PROTECTED MOST OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, exactly the opposite to what Deborah Tavares claims in her hoax (to the effect that the United Nations intentionally burned the forests of California in furtherance of the Agenda 21 agenda WHICH WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO PRESERVE THOSE VERY FORESTS FROM DESTRUCTION IN THE FIRST PLACE). If the United States Senate had ratified or approved Agenda 21, it would have also REDUCED DROUGHT AND INSURED AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER not contaminated by SEWAGE.

AGENDA 21 IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THE UNITED STATES!
Agenda 21 was only a SUGGESTION that member nations were permitted, BUT NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT for themselves. While president Bush symbolically "signed" Agenda 21,THE UNITED STATES SENATE REJECTED AGENDA 21. So, Agenda 21 IS NOT THE LAW anywhere in the United States, DOES NOT APPLY anywhere in the United States and CANNOT BE (AND IS NOT) ENFORCED anywhere in the United States. (See the 2nd paragraph here. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/article-ii-section-2 ).So, Agenda 21 is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States.The 5th paragraph here sums it up perfectly. https://www.splcenter.org/20140331/agenda-21-un-sustainability-and-right-wing-conspiracy-theory . But, Deborah Tavares FRAUDULENTLY CONCEALS that CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FACT from her followers.

WHAT AGENDA 21 IS ACTUALLY ABOUT:


BELOW IS A SECTION OF THE ACTUAL "TABLE OF CONTENTS" OF "AGENDA 21" ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF "AGENDA 21".

SECTION II. CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT OF RESOURCES FOR DEVELOPMENT
9. Protection of the atmosphere 9.1 - 9.35
10. Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources 10.1 - 10.18
11. COMBATING DEFORESTATION 11.1 - 11.40
12. MANAGING FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS: COMBATING desertification and DROUGHT 12.1 - 12.63
13. Managing fragile ecosystems: sustainable mountain development 13.1 - 13.24
14. Promoting sustainable agriculture and rural development 14.1 - 14.104
15. CONSERVATION OF BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY15.1 - 15.11
16. Environmentally sound MANAGEMENT OF BIODIVERSITY 16.1 - 16.46
17. Protection of the oceans, all kinds of seas, including enclosed and semi-enclosed seas, and coastal areas and the protection, rational use and development of their living resources 17.1 - 17.136
18.PROTECTION OF THE QUALITY AND SUPPLY OF FRESHWATER RESOURCES: application of integrated approaches to the development, MANAGEMENT and use of WATER RESOURCES 18.1 - 18.90
19. Environmentally sound management of toxic chemicals, including prevention of illegal international traffic in toxic and dangerous products 19.1 - 19.76
20. Environmentally sound management of hazardous wastes, in hazardous wastes 20.1 - 20.46
21. Environmentally sound MANAGEMENT OF solid wastes and SEWAGE-RELATED ISSUES 21.1 - 21.49
22. Safe and environmentally sound management of radioactive wastes

AND, ALL OF THIS IS ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF AGENDA 21 HERE.
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

BELOW IS THE ACTUAL TEXT OF AGENDA 21.

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf
(THIS IS A MUST READ.). BEGIN AT SECTION 11.1 AT ABOUT 25% THROUGH THE TEXT. THE ACTUAL TEXT OF AGENDA 21 READS AS FOLLOWS:

AGENDA 21 – CHAPTER 11

COMBATING DEFORESTATION

PROGRAMME AREAS

A. Sustaining the multiple roles and functions of all types of FORESTS, FOREST LANDS and WOODLANDS.

Basis for action

11.1. There are major weaknesses in the policies, methods and mechanisms adopted to support and develop the multiple ecological, economic, social and cultural roles of TREES, FORESTS, and FOREST LANDS. Many developed countries are confronted with the effects of air pollution and FIRE DAMAGE ON THEIR FORESTS. More effective measures and approaches are often required at the national level to improve and harmonize policy formulation, planning and programming; legislative measures and instruments; development patterns; participation of the general public, especially women and indigenous people; involvement of youth; roles of the private sector, local organizations, non-governmental organizations and cooperatives; development of technical and multidisciplinary skills and quality of human resources; FORESTRY extension and public education; research capability and support; administrative structures and mechanisms, including intersectoral coordination, decentralization and responsibility and incentive systems; and dissemination of information and public relations. This is especially important to ensure a rational and holistic approach to the sustainable and environmentally sound development of FORESTS. The need for securing the multiple roles of FORESTS and FOREST LANDS through adequate and appropriate institutional strengthening has been repeatedly emphasized in many of the reports, decisions and recommendations of FAO, ITTO, UNEP, the World Bank, IUCN and other organizations.

Objectives
11.2. The objectives of this programme area are as follows:
a. To STRENGTHEN FOREST-RELATED NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, to enhance the scope and effectiveness of activities related to the management, CONSERVATION and sustainable development of FORESTS, and to effectively ensure the sustainable utilization and production of FOREST'S goods and services in both the developed and the developing countries; by the year 2000, to strengthen the capacities and capabilities of national institutions to enable them to acquire the necessary knowledge for the PROTECTION AND CONSERVATION OF FORESTS, as well as to expand their scope and, correspondingly, enhance the effectiveness of programmes and activities related to the management and development of FORESTS;
b. To strengthen and improve human, technical and professional skills, as well as expertise and capabilities to effectively formulate and implement policies, plans, programmes, research and projects on management, CONSERVATION and sustainable development of all types of FORESTS and FOREST-based resources, and FOREST LANDS inclusive, as well as other areas from which FORESTS BENEFITS CAN BE DERIVED.

AND, THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF SECTION 11 OF AGENDA 21!

IMPORTANT:
You will note from the actual WRITTEN words of Agenda 21 itself (above), THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR INCREMENTALLY REDUCING THE AREAS ALREADY OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE (to systematically drive them from their rural and suburban homes and into increasingly smaller, densely packed, over-populated "KILL CITIES" or "SMART CITIES" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind). According to the actual WRITTEN words of Agenda 21 itself, its purpose was to REDUCE DEFORESTATION).

THE "AGENDA 21 MAP"
In addition to the Agenda 21 document itself (described above), Deborah Tavares also claims to have discovered a land use map which she fraudulently claims CONSTITUTES PROOF that Agenda 21 is a plan which uses diabolical means (like forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, this is not so.

To see this "SIMULATED" land use map, scroll down to about 40% through the text here. http://www.renegadetribune.com/paradise-destroyed-thoughts-on-weather-warfare/.

IMPORTANT:
Note that this "SIMULATED" land use map makes NO REFERENCE to "Agenda 21" whatsoever and that IT REFERS INSTEAD to the "Convention On Biological Diversity" (something different from Agenda 21). Importantly, this "SIMULATED" land use map ALSO REFERS TO "The Wildlands Project" (a mere suggestion from private environmentalists which has NOTHING to do with the United Nations), "UN and US Man And Biosphere Program", various "Heritage Programs" and "NAFTA" (which ALSO has NOTHING to do with the United Nations).

PROOF THAT AGENDA 21 AND THE BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY TREATY ARE DIFFERENT FROM ONE ANOTHER.
Scroll down to the 9th un-numbered page to the Table Of Contents here. Compare this Table Of Contents to the Table Of Contents above. https://portals.iucn.org/library/efiles/documents/EPLP-no.030.pdf;
See paragraph 3 here. http://www.eniscuola.net/en/2012/01/20/from-rio-to-rio20/;
See paragraphs 1 & 6 here. https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/sustaining-development-biodiversity-productivity-efficiency-conservation;
See paragraphs 91, 106, 107 & 108 here. http://www.fao.org/3/x5586E/x5586e06.htm;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21 (proposed in 1992);
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Biological_Diversity (begun in 1994);
Scroll down to about 65% through the text to the END of the paragraph just below the BLUE subtitle which reads, "Sustainable use of biodiversity: Developing incentive measures". https://www.oas.org/dsd/publications/Unit/oea04e/ch10.htm;

OTHER VERSIONS OF THIS MAP:
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=v9WSXKW_K4uo_Qb-3JyIBA&q=%22Agenda+21+map%22+PDF&btnK=Google+Search&oq=%22Agenda+21+map%22+PDF&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39.23888.34933..38030...3.0..0.177.1584.16j4....2..0....1..gws-wiz.....6..0i131j0j0i67j0i131i67j0i22i30.Fm6zNgdf57I

ABOUT THE MAP:
Dr. Michael S. Coffman was a prolific writer, speaker and property rights advocate. He often spoke at "liberty" conferences sponsored by the John Birch Society. He was an "environmental consultant", which is code for a lobbyist for large land owning interests and logging & mining corporations. Coffman and his clients opposed land use regulations in general and environmental regulations in particular. In 1994, when Congress was scheduled to vote on ratifying the proposed "Biological Diversity Treaty" (something different from Agenda 21), Coffman created the subject "SIMULATED" land use map to create opposition to that particular proposed treaty (not to Agenda 21). https://www.metabunk.org/explained-agenda-21-map-of-simulated-reserve-and-corridor-system-biodiversity-propaganda.t6855/ It worked. The United States Senate ALSO REJECTED that proposed treaty. Below is a verbatim transcript of the actual Senate debate on that proposed treaty which the Senate ALSO REJECTED. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-1994-09-30/html/CREC-1994-09-30-pt1-PgS22.htm.

Coffman conceded that his "SIMULATED" land use map reflected what would be the resulting land use in the United States ONLY IF "ALL" OF THE PROPOSED LAND USE REGULATIONS listed at the top of his map became the law ("The Wildlands Project", "UN And US Man And Biosphere Program", various "Heritage Programs", etc.). But, Agenda 21 itself was not among those proposed land use regulations, because by the time Coffman created his "SIMULATED" land use map in 1994, THE UNITED STATES SENATE HAD ALREADY REJECTED AGENDA 21. So, Coffman relied on OTHER proposed land use regulations in creating his "SIMULATED" land use map.

Coffman's "SIMULATED" land use map was WILDLY EXAGERATED (for propaganda purposes) both visually and verbally (note the very first word on the map, "SIMULATED"). Coffman himself coined the phrase, "LITTLE OR NO HUMAN USE" (for propaganda purposes), a phrase which does not appear in any of his alleged source material. Note also that for propaganda purposes, Coffman gave EVERY tiny wildlife refuge on his map MULTIPLE, very wide (25 miles wide), migration routes to and from neighboring wildlife refuges, rather than merely one or two narrow ones. This created the illusion that there would almost no land left for human use.

COFFMAN INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED AND EXAGGERATED HIS LAND USE MAP (WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21) TO CREATE THE APPEARANCE THAT IF ALL OF THESE OTHER PROPOSED LAND USE REGULATIONS WERE TO BECOME LAW, THEN, THERE WOULD BE LESS LAND AVAILABLE FOR HUMAN USE.

IT WAS COFFMAN'S EXAGGERATED ("SIMULATED") LAND USE MAP (WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21) THAT BECAME THE FOUNDATION FOR THE ORIGINAL CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT AGENDA 21 WILL FORCE US OUT OF OUR RURAL AND SUBURBAN HOMES AND INTO OVERPOULATED CITIES, EVEN THOUGH THAT EXAGGERATED ("SIMULATED") LAND USE MAP ACTUALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21 IN THE FIRST PLACE!

FACT:
But, it was Deborah Tavares alone who came up with the new, improved and more sensational version of this hoax to the effect that Agenda 21 is a "plan" to use diabolical means (like forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the extinction of mankind. Note that this new, improved and more sensation version of this hoax allows Deborah Tavares to incorporate some of her other hoaxes (to the effect that PG&E used directed energy weapons on satellites in space to start the recent fires in California and to the effect that PG&E will use radiation from "smart meters" to kill us all).

FACT:
Deborah Tavares has always known that Coffman's "SIMULATED" land use map was both wildly exaggerated and that IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21, much less with the United Nations using forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, Deborah Tavares nevertheless decided to lie about it to her followers anyway in order to incite fear, hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

CONCLUSION:
The United States Senate REJECTED Agenda 21. So, Agenda 21 IS NOT THE LAW in the United States and IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States. Coffman's exaggerated ("SIMULATED") land use map has NOTHING to do with Agenda 21. Coffman created his exaggerated ("SIMULATED") land use map to generate opposition to the Biological Diversity Treaty (something different from Agenda 21). Coffman's exaggerated ("SIMULATED") land use map was based on all of the proposed land use regulations EXCEPT FOR AGENDA 21 ("The Wildlands Project", "UN And US Man And Biosphere Program", various "Heritage Programs", etc.).

APPLICATION TO HOAX:
THE RECENT CALIFORNIA FIRES DID NOT ADVANCE THE PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 (TO PREVENT FURTHER DEFORESTATION). INDEED, THE RECENT FIRES IN CALIFORNIA ACTUALLY UNDERMINED THE REAL PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 (BY DESTROYING THE VERY FORESTS THAT AGENDA 21 WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO PROTECT)!

THEREFORE, THE RECENT CALIFORNIA FIRES WERE NOT AGENDA 21 FIRES, EVEN IF THEY WERE THE RESULT OF SOME OTHER CONSPIRACY, unrelated to Agenda 21.

So, whether or not there is a "planned extinction of mankind", this document provides no support for that proposition.

APPLICATION OF CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS:
If I were a charlatan, and if I wanted to create a BETTER version of the Agenda 21 Hoax, this is how I would do it.

1. I would create videos and I would show the REAL, ACTUAL "AGENDA 21" DOCUMENT (unmodified) showing the Agenda 21 "agenda" AS IT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN in the official document (showing that its purpose is to PROTECT THE REMAINING FORESTS, PREVENT DROUGHT AND ENSURE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE (all of which is verifiably true).

2. Then, in my videos, I would show written proof that "AGENDA 21" WAS REJECTED BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THAT IT IS NOT THE LAW, AND THEREFORE IS NOT ENFORCEABLE ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES (all of which is verifiably true).

3. Then, in my videos, I would show ALL OF THE ENVIROMENTAL CATASTROPHES SUFFERED BY CALIFORNIANS SINCE 1992, when Agenda 21 was first proposed AND REJECTED BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE (DESTRUCTION OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, INCREASED DROUGHT, ABSENCE OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE, PEOPLE RENDERED HOMELESS AND DISPLACED BY FOREST FIRES, ETC.).

4. Then, in my videos, I would claim that "THE REFUSAL" (ITSELF) of U.S. Government to adopt "Agenda 21" in I992, and every year since then, constitutes conclusive "PROOF" that the U.S. Government ACTUALLY SOUGHT TO PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL THE REMAINING FORESTS IN CALIFORNIA, PURPOSELY INCREASE DROUGHTS IN CALIFORNIA AND PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL SUPPLIES OF FRESH WATER IN CALIFORNIA so as to purposely drive Californians out of their rural and suburban homes and into cities far away from the forests and wilderness areas.

That would make a much BETTER "Agenda 21 Hoax", BECAUSE (except for the nefarious intentions of the U.S. Government part) IT IS ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, VERIFIABLY AND FACTUALLY TRUE IN EVERY SINGLE RESPECT! That would make for a much MORE LOGICAL EXPLANATION for the ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHIES SUFFERED BY CALIFORNIANS than the story that Deborah Tavares peddles now (WHICH ACTUALLY CONTRADICTS THE REAL AGENDA OF AGENDA 21 TO PROTECT THOSE VERY FORESTS FROM DESTRUCTION).

MORE APPLICATION OF CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS:
FACT: When corporate interests are threatened by proposed laws that would reduce their profits, they launch a public relations campaign against those proposed laws. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose the proposed laws for reasons of their own selfish interests. Instead, they pretend that they oppose the proposed laws to protect the interests of society in general (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

EXAMPLE: CONSIDER THIS HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE AS IT RELATES TO AGENDA 21. (NOTE: THIS MAY NOT HAVE EVER OCCURRED. IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE THIS PRINCIPLE OF CORPORATE PUBLIC RELATIONS WARS.).

If made into law, Agenda 21 (a proposed law) would slow the rate at which logging & mining corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests (and thereby slow the rate at which they generate profits).

So, these corporate interests launch a public relations campaign against Agenda 21. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose Agenda 21 to protect their own profits. Instead, they pretend to oppose Agenda 21 to protect the rest of society (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

So, they come up with a CAREFULLY-CRAFTED LIE intended to get the rest of society to oppose Agenda 21 as much as they do. Instead of admitting that Agenda 21 would only slow down the rate at which logging & mining corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests, they falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY WORK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION! They falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY EXPAND THE FORESTS INTO AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND ALREADY OCCUPIED BY HUMANS, thereby systematically driving homeowners out of their rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, tightly packed, over-populated cities (something that the REAL Agenda 21 would not actually do).

This FRAUDULENT characterization of Agenda 21 would serve to make ALL THE REST OF SOCIETY join with those who profit by destroying the forests. The rest of society would OPPOSE "AGENDA 21" in the mistaken belief THAT THEY WERE SAVING THEIR OWN HOMES IN THE PROCESS. Now, THAT is a brilliant lie. But, it gets even better.

By telling such a lie, logging & mining corporations and real estate developers, like Deborah Tavares, could continue DESTROYING THE FORESTS and continue to cash in without any opposition from the rest of society WHILE SIMULATANEOUSLY BLAMING "AGENDA 21" (WHICH NEVER BECAME LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE) FOR THE HARDSHIPS THAT THEY THEMSELVES KNOWINGLY INFLICT ON THE REST OF SOCIETY BY DESTROYING THE REMAINING FORESTS IN THE PURSUIT OF PROFITS (increased droughts and therefore increased forest fires, decreased fresh water supplies uncontaminated by sewage, etc.). Now, THAT is a TRULY brilliant lie, blaming a SUGGESTION that never became law, for the hardships suffered by Californians, when the SUGGESTION that never became law WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED AND INTENDED TO PREVENT THOSE VERY HARDSHIPS FROM OCCURRING IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Remember, the foregoing is only an ILLUSTRATION of how corporate interests engage in disinformation campaigns in order to get society to oppose proposed laws that would reduce their profits. This is an example only. This may have never occurred. That is not the point.

The point is simply that Deborah Tavares lied to us about what the what the Agenda 21 document says in the same way that she lied to us about every other document she has ever used in support of her claims about the planned extinction of mankind.

[AutumnW]

MY RESPONSE: Would you prefer that the title of my expose' on this subject be changed to read, "The Agenda 21 Document Is Real, But What Deborah Tavares Says The Agenda 21 Document Says Is A Hoax"? If not, what title would you prefer?


As I said, she has gotten carried away. But she's performing a valuable service in alerting people to the agenda being pursued by whoever THEY are. They are not necessarily the official government. But they are attempting to drive people out of the countryside and into the cities. I believe they want to set aside vast areas of non-populated areas for fracking, mining, and general rape and pillage. And 50 years from now, if we don't stop it, you will see that she was right. And you are performing a valuable service in point out her exaggerations.

TomKat,

I think that snoop4truth's real investigations about Agenda 21 probably trump whatever your beliefs happen to be. Deborah Tavares is doing a huge disservice because she is disseminating and lying about some proposed idea floated somewhere to preserve the environment as an attempt to force us all into concentration camps...and then...kill us, or something. Just because horrible things can and do happen, doesn't mean Agenda 21 is a blue print for genocide.

[TomKat]

MY RESPONSE: Would you prefer that the title of my expose' on this subject be changed to read, "The Agenda 21 Document Is Real, But What Deborah Tavares Says The Agenda 21 Document Says Is A Hoax"? If not, what title would you prefer?


As I said, she has gotten carried away. But she's performing a valuable service in alerting people to the agenda being pursued by whoever THEY are. They are not necessarily the official government. But they are attempting to drive people out of the countryside and into the cities. I believe they want to set aside vast areas of non-populated areas for fracking, mining, and general rape and pillage. And 50 years from now, if we don't stop it, you will see that she was right. And you are performing a valuable service in point out her exaggerations.

TomKat,

I think that snoop4truth's real investigations about Agenda 21 probably trump whatever your beliefs happen to be. Deborah Tavares is doing a huge disservice because she is disseminating and lying about some proposed idea floated somewhere to preserve the environment as an attempt to force us all into concentration camps...and then...kill us, or something. Just because horrible things can and do happen, doesn't mean Agenda 21 is a blue print for genocide.

I heard about Agenda 21 years ago. Snoop says it wasn't adopted in the US, but in the US I see local planning organizations promoting it. They all have different names, such as Forward Buffalo (I made that up). Where I see downtown redevelopment, I see Agenda 21. Young people are discouraged from using cars and instead are encouraged to live in expensive high-rises and walk, bike or scooter to work, and not have kids.

[TomKat]

The point is simply that Deborah Tavares has lied to us about what the what the Agenda 21 document says in the same way that she lied to us about every other document she has ever used in support of her claims about the planned extinction of mankind. [/I][/B]

I didn't read your diatribe, but it's clear you are in favor of Agenda 21 and probably world government also. It reminds me of people who are anti-gun. Every new legislation they say "we're not taking away your guns, just this one" yet if you ask them individually, they admit they don't believe people should be allowed to have any guns.

[snoop4truth]

MY RESPONSE: Would you prefer that the title of my expose' on this subject be changed to read, "The Agenda 21 Document Is Real, But What Deborah Tavares Says The Agenda 21 Document Says Is A Hoax"? If not, what title would you prefer?


As I said, she has gotten carried away. But she's performing a valuable service in alerting people to the agenda being pursued by whoever THEY are. They are not necessarily the official government. But they are attempting to drive people out of the countryside and into the cities. I believe they want to set aside vast areas of non-populated areas for fracking, mining, and general rape and pillage. And 50 years from now, if we don't stop it, you will see that she was right. And you are performing a valuable service in point out her exaggerations.

TomKat,

I think that snoop4truth's real investigations about Agenda 21 probably trump whatever your beliefs happen to be. Deborah Tavares is doing a huge disservice because she is disseminating and lying about some proposed idea floated somewhere to preserve the environment as an attempt to force us all into concentration camps...and then...kill us, or something. Just because horrible things can and do happen, doesn't mean Agenda 21 is a blue print for genocide.

I heard about Agenda 21 years ago. Snoop says it wasn't adopted in the US, but in the US I see local planning organizations promoting it. They all have different names, such as Forward Buffalo (I made that up). Where I see downtown redevelopment, I see Agenda 21. Young people are discouraged from using cars and instead are encouraged to live in expensive high-rises and walk, bike or scooter to work, and not have kids.

Hello TomKat,

YOUR COMMENT: I heard about Agenda 21 years ago.

MY RESPONSE: The United Nations suggested Agenda 21 to member nations in 1992. The United States rejected it shortly thereafter. That was almost 30 years ago. So, it would not surprise me if you had heard of Agenda 21 years ago.

But frankly, the issue is not WHEN you heard of Agenda 21, but WHAT you heard about Agenda 21.

Did you hear that Agenda 21 was actually a suggestion about protecting the environment?

Or did you hear that Agenda 21 was a United nations scheme to use diabolical means (like forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind?

YOUR COMMENT: Snoop says it wasn't adopted in the US,

MY RESPONSE: Correct. Agenda 21 was a suggestion that the United States REJECTED almost 30 years ago. So, Agenda 21 is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States.

YOUR COMMENT: But in the US I see local planning organizations promoting it.

MY RESPONSE: You may see planning organizations incorporating environmentally-friendly elements into their plans, but that DOES NOT mean the they are actually incorporating Agenda 21 itself into their plans. They are not.

Remember, people like Deborah Tavares do not oppose Agenda 21 because it was environmentally-friendly.

Instead, people like Deborah Tavares oppose AN IMAGINARY VERSION of Agenda 21 which she falsely claims involves the United Nations using forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

Do you actually see your local planning organizations using forest fires and laser beams on satellites in space to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind?

OR, do you ACTUALLY see your local planning organizations incorporating generic, environmentally-friendly elements into their plans?

YOUR COMMENT: They all have different names, such as Forward Buffalo (I made that up). Where I see downtown redevelopment, I see Agenda 21.

MY RESPONSE: Do you ACTUALLY see local downtown development which actually involves the United Nations using forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind?

OR, do you ACTUALLY see downtown development making better use of useless property by converting it to high-end residential property?

OR, do you ACTUALLY see downtown development bringing LIFE and COMMERCE back into lifeless and impoverished areas, thereby increasing the profits of all of the local businesses and thereby increasing the tax base of the community?

OR, do you ACTUALLY see smart business people converting something of no value into something of great value in the pursuit of there own profits?

YOUR COMMENT: Young people are discouraged from using cars and instead are encouraged to live in expensive high-rises and walk, bike or scooter to work, and not have kids.

MY RESPONSE: Do you ACTUALLY see someone discouraging young people from using cars?

OR do you ACTUALLY see young people saving a fortune by living where they work and socializing where they work?

THINK. It's OK.

With Respect,

Snoop

[snoop4truth]

The point is simply that Deborah Tavares has lied to us about what the what the Agenda 21 document says in the same way that she lied to us about every other document she has ever used in support of her claims about the planned extinction of mankind. [/I][/B]

I didn't read your diatribe, but it's clear you are in favor of Agenda 21 and probably world government also. It reminds me of people who are anti-gun. Every new legislation they say "we're not taking away your guns, just this one" yet if you ask them individually, they admit they don't believe people should be allowed to have any guns.

Hello TomKat,

YOUR COMMENT: I didn't read your diatribe,

MY RESPONSE: No surprise there. You only seek information which validates your belief system. And, the truth will not do that in this instance. Regardless, you have no interest in the truth anyway. You are only interested in your belief system and the delusional claims that support it.

YOUR COMMENT: It's clear you are in favor of Agenda 21

MY RESPONSE: It depends WHICH VERSION of Agenda 21 you are talking about.

If you are talking about Deborah Tavares' IMAGINARY VERSION of Agenda 21 wherein the United Nations is allegedly using forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, overpopulated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind, THEN I OPPOSED AGENDA 21.

On the other hand, if you are talking about the REAL VERSION of Agenda 21 as it actually appears in the original document and which recommends that we not deplete our natural resources at a rate faster than they can recover from being depleted (called "sustainable development") and which recommends that we protect most of the remaining forests, reduce drought and insure an adequate supply of fresh water, THEN I SUPPORT AGENDA 21.

Just so that you know, the United States was the only nation on planet Earth TO HAVE REJECTED agenda 21. Here in the United States, short term profits are much, much more important than merely protecting the environment for the future of all mankind.

If it has not already occurred to you, IF WE SAVE THE PLANET, WE SAVE ALL OF MANKIND. IF WE DESTROY THE PLANET, THEN WE WILL CAUSE THE "REAL" EXTINCTION OF MANKIND.

YOUR COMMENT: And [you] probably [support] world government also.

MY RESPONSE: Not so. The only subjects that the should ever be governed globally are those very few subjects which are logically impossibly to regulate locally, city-wide, county-wide, county-wide, state-wide and nationally (like global ozone depletion and global climate change, etc.).

YOUR COMMENT: It reminds me of people who are anti-gun. Every new legislation they say "we're not taking away your guns, just this one" yet if you ask them individually, they admit they don't believe people should be allowed to have any guns.

MY RESPONSE: As long as there is a second amendment, there will be legal gun ownership in the United States.

The REAL legal question is how far this second amendment protection goes. When the Constitution was written, firearms were single-shot muskets and every citizen could be called to serve in "a well-regulated militia" which was "necessary" in the "defense the state" (all terms in the second amendment). Now, we have much more deadly firearms and the United States has a military to "defend the state", such that an armed and "well-regulated militia" is no longer "necessary" to the "defense the state".

So today, do we have a second amendment right to own a rocket propelled grenade launcher if it is not used by a member of a "well regulated militia" in the "defense of the state"?

So today, do we have a second amendment right to own a military-grade AR-15 with a bump stock trigger mechanism and a 100 round magazine which is not used by a member of a "well regulated militia" in the "defense of the state"?

So today, does a mentally-ill, repeatedly-violent, convicted-felon have a second amendment right to own military-grade AR-15 with a bump stock trigger mechanism and a 100 round magazine which is not used by a member of a "well regulated militia" in the "defense of the state"?

Those are questions above my pay grade.

But, consider this. Gun ownership is not causing climate change anyway. Carbon emissions and deforestation are causing that.

Gun ownership is not causing the polar ice caps to melt thereby causing the sea level to rise which will put coastal cities across the globe under water and cause mass human migration. Carbon emissions and deforestation are causing that.

Gun ownership is not causing the extinction of one million species of animals and plants over the next 15 years. Deforestation and the loss of natural habitat are causing that.

We are systematically destroying our entire planet and there will be consequences.

There are two ways to deal with this problem. One way, is to pretend it isn't real and to nothing. The other way is to accept the facts and do something. That is what Agenda 21 (and every other nation on planet Earth) was attempting to do when the United States rejected it almost 30 years ago.

Agenda 21 was not really a United Nations depopulation plan intended to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

Instead, Agenda 21 was actually a suggestion intended to protect the environment so as to prevent the extinction of mankind.

Accept that truth.

With Respect,

Snoop

[TomKat]

Snoop, you are promoting the goals of Agenda 21. It will require coercion as well as incentives to get people to comply with those goals. So of course, you want people's guns, or will do soon. You admit that Agenda 21 is being implemented regardless of the US not signing on. So obviously it is happening from the global level, brought down to the local, by the hidden funding and machinations of hidden rulers. That alone is enough for me to be against it. Paradise, CA was burned up, gone ("paradise lost"). It had never happened before. I would not put it past these globally minded sociopaths to start those fires. Why can't would-be leaders such as yourself just leave everyone else alone?

[AutumnW]

TomKat,

Please READ what Snoop wrote. Seriously. As far as Paradise goes, just because there are psychopaths in high office doesn't mean the fires were intentional and all kinds of exotic tech was used to start them. The whole monolithic top down, 'they're all trying to kill us,' model of reality is a bit paranoid. There are GOOD people involved in many organizations and systems who can and do put brakes on excesses and abuses of power much of the time.

Modern forestry practices, people building homes in rural urban interface areas and the wilderness, ongoing drought and decaying electrical grids cause fires. No demonic Flash Gordon psycho fire bugs required. Occam's razor rules in this instance.

But you believe what you want to believe just please don't try to shut people who are doing real investigative work down. We NEED them.

[TomKat]

TomKat,

Please READ what Snoop wrote. Seriously. As far as Paradise goes, just because there are psychopaths in high office doesn't mean the fires were intentional and all kinds of exotic tech was used to start them. The whole monolithic top down, 'they're all trying to kill us,' model of reality is a bit paranoid. There are GOOD people involved in many organizations and systems who can and do put brakes on excesses and abuses of power much of the time.

Modern forestry practices, people building homes in rural urban interface areas and the wilderness, ongoing drought and decaying electrical grids cause fires. No demonic Flash Gordon psycho fire bugs required. Occam's razor rules in this instance.

But you believe what you want to believe just please don't try to shut people who are doing real investigative work down. We NEED them.

I'm not going to read a bunch of boilerplate text that Snoop dishes out with every reply. The man is on a mission, and I don't want the future he is promoting. I don't like people on Avalon promoting the official agenda of the official psychopaths that run the official media. He's either getting paid or has way more time on his hands than I do.

Mainstream sources say that chemtrails don't exist, and yet I've sat in my yard and watched a single jet going back and forth spreading them. I saw one just today. Mainstream sources say that Putin won the election for Trump. Mainstream sources spent 2-1/2 years trying to un-do that election. I've been to Paradise and it never looked in any danger of burning up to me. You'll kill a lot of brain cells trying to make official explanations make sense to people around here. But go ahead, be my guest.

[AutumnW]

Okay. Have it your way. Everyone who doesn't agree with you or corrects some of the highly speculative and groundless 'theories' out there is aligned with those actively trying to poison you, set you on fire, while trying to take your guns away and reduce carbon emissions. Oh the horror.

[TomKat]

Okay. Have it your way. Everyone who doesn't agree with you or corrects some of the highly speculative and groundless 'theories' out there is aligned with those actively trying to poison you, set you on fire, while trying to take your guns away and reduce carbon emissions. Oh the horror.

I like to think of Avalon as a sanctuary from all that mainstream propaganda.

[Pam]

TomKat,

Please READ what Snoop wrote. Seriously. As far as Paradise goes, just because there are psychopaths in high office doesn't mean the fires were intentional and all kinds of exotic tech was used to start them. The whole monolithic top down, 'they're all trying to kill us,' model of reality is a bit paranoid. There are GOOD people involved in many organizations and systems who can and do put brakes on excesses and abuses of power much of the time.

Modern forestry practices, people building homes in rural urban interface areas and the wilderness, ongoing drought and decaying electrical grids cause fires. No demonic Flash Gordon psycho fire bugs required. Occam's razor rules in this instance.

But you believe what you want to believe just please don't try to shut people who are doing real investigative work down. We NEED them.

I'm not going to read a bunch of boilerplate text that Snoop dishes out with every reply. The man is on a mission, and I don't want the future he is promoting. I don't like people on Avalon promoting the official agenda of the official psychopaths that run the official media. He's either getting paid or has way more time on his hands than I do.

Mainstream sources say that chemtrails don't exist, and yet I've sat in my yard and watched a single jet going back and forth spreading them. I saw one just today. Mainstream sources say that Putin won the election for Trump. Mainstream sources spent 2-1/2 years trying to un-do that election. I've been to Paradise and it never looked in any danger of burning up to me. You'll kill a lot of brain cells trying to make official explanations make sense to people around here. But go ahead, be my guest.


If I understand you correctly TomCat, you don't want to hear anything that doesn't agree with your take on reality. Am I understanding what you are saying?

[snoop4truth]

Okay. Have it your way. Everyone who doesn't agree with you or corrects some of the highly speculative and groundless 'theories' out there is aligned with those actively trying to poison you, set you on fire, while trying to take your guns away and reduce carbon emissions. Oh the horror.

I like to think of Avalon as a sanctuary from all that mainstream propaganda.


Hello TomKat,

YOUR COMMENT: I like to think of Avalon as a sanctuary from all that mainstream propaganda.

MY RESPONSE: Avalon is a sanctuary from all the mainstream propaganda.

But, that does not make Avalon a sanctuary for mainstream hoaxes.

Avalon is actually a sanctuary for the truth.

That is what makes Avalon unique.

The issue is not whether the claims posted here are mainstream

The issue is whether the claims posted here are true.

You have to have the wisdom to know the difference.

With Respect.

Snoop

[TomKat]

Okay. Have it your way. Everyone who doesn't agree with you or corrects some of the highly speculative and groundless 'theories' out there is aligned with those actively trying to poison you, set you on fire, while trying to take your guns away and reduce carbon emissions. Oh the horror.

I like to think of Avalon as a sanctuary from all that mainstream propaganda.


Hello TomKat,

YOUR COMMENT: I like to think of Avalon as a sanctuary from all that mainstream propaganda.

MY RESPONSE: Avalon is a sanctuary from all the mainstream propaganda.

But, that does not make Avalon a sanctuary for mainstream hoaxes.

Avalon is actually a sanctuary for the truth.

That is what makes Avalon unique.

The issue is not whether the claims posted here are mainstream

The issue is whether the claims posted here are true.

You have to have the wisdom to know the difference.

With Respect.

Snoop

Although Agenda 21 is not a hoax, it is justified by a hoax called Global Warming, which was invented to establish World Government, which necessitates gun confiscation... all implemented by leaders who would do better to engineer their own lives rather than society at large. The problem is not so much Agenda 21 as the personality type that constantly finds ways to lead people in some direction or other so that they can grow their egos rather than their souls.

[snoop4truth]

[QUOTE=AutumnW;1300191]Okay. Have it your way. Everyone who doesn't agree with you or corrects some of the highly speculative and groundless 'theories' out there is aligned with those actively trying to poison you, set you on fire, while trying to take your guns away and reduce carbon emissions. Oh the horror.

I like to think of Avalon as a sanctuary from all that mainstream propaganda.


Hello TomKat,

YOUR COMMENT: I like to think of Avalon as a sanctuary from all that mainstream propaganda.

MY RESPONSE: Avalon is a sanctuary from all the mainstream propaganda.

But, that does not make Avalon a sanctuary for mainstream hoaxes.

Avalon is actually a sanctuary for the truth.

That is what makes Avalon unique.

The issue is not whether the claims posted here are mainstream

The issue is whether the claims posted here are true.

You have to have the wisdom to know the difference.

With Respect.

Snoop

Hello TomKat,


YOUR COMMENT: Although Agenda 21 is not a hoax, it is justified by a hoax called Global Warming... .

MY REPONSE: Have you ever wondered where the claim came from to the effect that "Global Warming is a hoax" and that "All weather is engineered" and that "all weather has been weaponized" by the global elite.

Well, here it is.

"The Report From Iron Mountain Hoax". The document is REAL, but it is only POLITICAL SATIRE. So, the hoax is NOT the document itself. Instead, the hoax is Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that THE DOCUMENT ALONE CONSTITUTES "PROOF" that ALL ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHES (including climate change, drought, fires, etc.) are FAKE and "ENGINEERED" by the U.S. government and used a "WEAPONS" to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind (something not in the book). But, her claims about this document are not so. This document is actually POLITICAL SATIRE. It is a DISGUISED COMPLAINT WHICH OPENLY MOCKS U.S. policy of engaging in perpetual wars to prop up the U.S. economy. The premise of the book is that THE U.S. IS SO DEPENDENT ON MILITARY SPENDING that "IF PEACE BROKE OUT", we will have to make up FAKE enemies (like "FAKE ALIEN LIFE FORMS" and ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHES) to "justify" our perpetual wars. The author DID NOT intend for the reader of his book to believe that the U.S. government was ACTUALLY CREATING "FAKE ALIEN LIFE FORMS" or ACTUALLY CREATING "ENGINEERED" ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHES. Instead, the author merely used those ABSURD examples TO MAKE A MOCKERY of the lengths that U.S. policy makers would go to in order to manufacture "FAKE ENEMIES" to justify "FAKE WARS" against those "FAKE ENEMIES" to prop up the U.S. economy. The U.S Government may actually be killing us all with FAKE ("engineered") environmental catastrophes in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT ITSELF (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provides no support for that proposition, because it is actually POLITICAL SATIRE.


FOR MORE READ BELOW.

"The Agenda 21 Hoax". The Agenda 21 Hoax is based on two documents. The Agenda 21 document itself was a REAL United Nations document. So, the hoax is not the document itself. Agenda 21 was merely a SUGGESTION WHICH THE UNITED STATES SENATE REJECTED. So, Agenda 21 NEVER BECAME A TREATY and NEVER BECAME THE LAW. That means Agenda 21 is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States.

What Deborah Tavares calls the "Agenda 21 Map" is a FAKE document AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21 in the first place. Instead, it related to the proposed "Biological Diversity Treaty" (something different from Agenda 21) WHICH THE UNITED STATES SENATE ALSO REJECTED. So, that proposed treaty (and its FAKE map) are also COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States.

The hoax is Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that THE AGENDA 21 DOCUMENT CONSTITUTES "PROOF" that the United Nations is using diabolical means (like fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to force us out or our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so.

According to the "Agenda 21" document itself (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim), it merely suggested that we reduce the rate at which we deplete our natural resources to the same rate at which our natural resources can recover from being depleted (called "sustainable development").

Contrary to Deborah Tavares' fraudulent claims, there is NOTHING in the Agenda 21 document itself (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) which suggests we will be forced out of our rural or suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. NOTHING!

The hoax is also Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that she discovered an "AGENDA 21 MAP" which she fraudulently claims CONSTITUTES "PROOF" that the United Nations is using diabolical means (like fires and laser beams from space) to force us out or our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this map are not so.

What Deborah Tavares fraudulently calls the "Agenda 21 Map" is FAKE and HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21 in the first place. Instead, it was the work of a single opponent to the "Biological Diversity Treaty" (something different from Agenda 21) and was used to create opposition to that particular proposed treaty, WHICH THE UNITED STATES SENATE ALSO REJECTED. Because the United States REJECTED BOTH Agenda 21 and the "Biological Diversity Treaty" (to which the FAKE map related), BOTH ARE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States.

The United Nations may actually be forcing us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THE AGENDA 21 DOCUMENT and the so-called "AGENDA 21 MAP" (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provide no support for that proposition.

With Respect,

Snoop

[TomKat]

Hello TomKat,
YOUR COMMENT: Although Agenda 21 is not a hoax, it is justified by a hoax called Global Warming... .
MY REPONSE: Have you ever wondered where the claim came from to the effect that "Global Warming is a hoax" and that "All weather is engineered" and that "all weather has been weaponized" by the global elite.

I'm not really concerned with what the Senate did or didn't agree to. I'm more concerned with what's actually going on. And what is going on is something you're in favour of, the goals expressed in Agenda 21. That's why you're so concerned about nullifying the opposition to it. My on-line activity goes back to the BBS days of the 80s. I'm familiar with your blitzkrieg tactics. Tell your higher-ups you tried it, and it just didn't work this time. Or better yet, go find yourself and stop trying to run the world.

[Mayacaman]

Greetings Avalonians

I would like to introduce myself. I was invited on to Avalon, and introduced to this thread by 'waves' who saw my posts on the related thread (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?2-WaccoTalk) on WaccoBB.net. I found myself involved from the time that I first saw that thread because I discerned in the methodology of Snoop4truth an old modus operandus - one which I have seen before, in many manifestations. It is a type of witch-hunt that has raised its ugly head again and again in America over the last century.

There was the "Red Scare" of 1919, and the Dies Committee Hearings of the late thirties and early forties, the comparable Cold War hysteria and the H.U.A.C. hearings of the late forties, that morphed into the so-called "McCarthy Period (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22%22McCarthy+Period%22%22&t=osx&ia=web)" in the 1950's. In the early 1990's I remember clearly the advent of a new school of "Left-wing McCarthyism." (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Left-wing+McCarthyism%22&t=osx&ia=web) I was not the only one to discern it as such. The term was not mine. Much of what went on in the 90's sought to discredit authors and journalists using the tropes of "anti-semitism" and "conspiracy theory."

I can honestly say that I discern the same techniques of discrediting, and guilt-by-association in the methodology of "Snoop4truth" as were employed in the list of witch-hunts that I have mentioned above.

I will be contributing to this thread, as time will permit. My pen-name here, "Mayacaman" is the same handle that I use over on WaccoBB.net.

Here again, is the link to that thread: https://www.waccobb.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?2-WaccoTalk

Thank You.

Mark Walter Evans

[waves]

Mayacaman WELCOME. I'm so glad you're here, and the connections you are citing of the historical previous use of the same methodology Snoop is using is fascinating, I didn't know what to call it.

Not sure how this fits for being different eras, but what hasn't been noted here yet is that you can find 1000's of exact duplicates ... what I call diarrhea style posts.... that 'Snoop4Truth' has cut and pasted in 100's of blogs, forums, and wherever else possible I guess he could find since at least 2013.

That said, I'm not convinced it's one person. As I suggested earlier there is a strong odor of a tasked group to me, part of a bigger agenda, very possibly registering as different names and responding to themselves.

Anyway, so glad you're here. It was very disturbing for the xylo entity to have so rudely characterized someone who disagreed with him on a different forum who was not here to defend himself. I hope you find the time to respond to having so childishly been called "a playground psychotic bully who is known to be mentally ill, physically violent." From your first post above, and all the very lucid replies on waccobb.net, it very much appears quite the opposite.

Again welcome, I look forward to understanding the methodology you're suggesting. 'Snoop' has been a very extreme, out of the blue unusually aggressive oddiity at Avalon, and the 'xylo' letter too.

[Mayacaman]

waves wrote:


...what hasn't been noted here yet is that you can find 1000's of exact duplicates ... what I call diarrhea style posts.... that 'Snoop4Truth' has cut and pasted in 100's of blogs, forums, and wherever else possible I guess he could find since at least 2013.

That said, I'm not convinced it's one person. As I suggested earlier there is a strong odor of a tasked group to me, part of a bigger agenda, very possibly registering as different names and responding to themselves.

Yes indeed, Waves, this man "Snoop (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22snoop4truth%22&t=osx&ia=videos)" has been busy for several years posting his boiler-plate letters all over the internet. He reminds me of a character in a book I just found, titled "The History of Torture (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22The+History+of+Torture%22+%2C+Daniel+Mannix%2C+book&t=osx&ia=shopping)" by Daniel P. Mannix. This character, a certain Matthew Hopkins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hopkins) lived in the middle of the seventeenth century in Britain, and flourished during the Commonwealth period. A failed lawyer, he reinvented himself as the "Witchfinder General (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=witchfinder+general+illustrations+images&t=osx&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images)." He would go from town to town in England, discovering the local witches. He got paid twenty shillings for every witch he "found." He made a tidy living doing this, and many women were hung, as he made his rounds.

Snoop differs from Mathew Hopkins in that he focuses on a limited number of political "heretics." But what he lacks in victims he makes up for in posts (https://gibiru.com/results.html?q=%22snoop4truth%22&cx=partner-pub-5956360965567042%3A8627692578&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8). I do agree with you, waves, that "there is a strong odor of a tasked group to me, part of a bigger agenda, very possibly registering as different names and responding to themselves." Very definitely, Snoop is not "alone" in his endeavors. Attorney General Mitchell Palmer, who conducted the Red Scare of 1919 (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=red+scare+1919-1920&t=osx&ia=web), had the all resources of the Justice Department at his disposal. The Dies Committee (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Dies+Committee&t=osx&ia=images), and the H.U.A.C., the "House Un-American Activities Committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee)," were just that, Committees.

I am not suggesting that Snoop's Operation is nearly as big as all that. But he does have "help" - and he also appears to be quite able to manufacture "allies" out of thin air. Thus, he invents people, who can tell his audience just how much they really appreciate his posts, and just how much they have learned from his diligent and wonderful crusade for "TRUTH - NOTHING ELSE MATTERS."

And, stranger still, he has conversations with his imaginary creations, in which he congratulates them, saying stuff like: "Great comment. Excellent critical thinking skills. Excellent analysis. Well reasoned. Well written. And, I couldn't possibly agree more with every single point you made." =AND= "Deep, profoundly-moving, thought-provoking, honest, self-defacing, humble, insightful, introspective. Most of all, brave. You and your words reflect everything that is redeeming and good about mankind. Absolutely beautiful."

It was quite apparent to me that the poster named "Alice-in-Wonderland (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/member.php?31302-AliceinWonderland)" - who just appeared on WaccoBB out of thin air, minutes before "her" first post (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation)&p=227031#post227031), and concerning whom no one knew anything - was one such convenient "creation" of Mr. Snoop. It was for this reason that I had a little fun with graphics and delved into the pile of old illustrations from the early editions of "Alice In Wonderland" - to illustrate the absurdity of Snoop as the Mad Hatter (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation)&p=227039#post227039), having conversations with himself, {i.e. "Alice"} at his very own Tea Party. (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alice+in+wonderland+tea+party&t=osx&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fgalerieco.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F01%2Falice-in-wonderland-the-mad-hatters-tea-party.jpg)

I find this ability of "snoop4truth" - to pull a rabbit out of a hat, so to speak - very fascinating, and it speaks volumes also, psychologically, about his accusations concerning Deborah Tavares, and Rodney Dale Class, that together they conspired to "manufacture the hoax of "Judge Dale"."

As you judge, you shall be judged. Ever notice how accusers often do the same things that they accuse others of doing? Xylo operates on the same principle. Here, in this forum, without me being present, he wrote, concerning my presence on the thread on WaccoBB:


I don’t feel it redundant for that post in wacco under a different user name. My posts there are soon to be non-existent as that forum has a playground psychotic bully who is known to be mentally ill, physically violent and has the moderator hiking in his boots and maintaining a double standard where psycho-boy is allowed to insult, trampal and abuse members but members are not allowed in to even protest psycho-boy’s methodology. I will not bow to bullying and submitting to a double standard. As you correctly observed, the forum is at the very least, moderated by a Softie. I don’t care what their political leaning might be.
I'd like to present Xylo with the opportunity to clarify those statements concerning my person. Where do you get your information, Xylo? Surely we have never met. So you do not actually know me. You also present yourself as Jewish - yet you are far from heeding the commandment in the Shema to "Love your neighbor as yourself (https://biblehub.net/search.php?q=Love+your+neighbor+as+yourself)." =OR= the wonderful decree of the Golden Rule, to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you (https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-12.htm)." -OR even the {earlier} corollary of the Golden Rule, by Rabbi Hillel, "Do not [do] unto others that which is hateful unto thee (https://www.azquotes.com/author/25893-Hillel_the_Elder).."

I'd just like to know how you could make such a series of vicious typifications as you have done here, on this forum, concerning myself. You may spill the beans, and tell all, Xylo. Truly, I have nothing to hide. If you "heard it through the grapevine" or if you did a web search on my name, spell it out.


In all sincerity,

"Mayacaman"

Mark Walter Evans
(my name)

[Gemma13]

How to get out of a cult? with Dr. Christiane Northrup. Jay Weidner and Yvonne Palermo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSc9fHmWIi0

[Gemma13]

Please see this link if you are interested in contributing and/or supporting MOUNTAINMYSTIC bring awareness to CYBER CULTS with her RESEARCH PAPER.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106985-Corey-Goode-s-Fraud-Hoax-vs-the-Public&p=1315168&viewfull=1#post1315168

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Another awful cult story. There doesn't seem to be much known about it - until it got busted.

Human Sacrifice Is the Gruesome End to This Cult’s Creepy History
Thu, October 21, 2021

MONTEGO BAY, JAMAICA—The 144 men, women and children summoned to church, robed in white, found themselves witnessing a macabre ritual of sacrificial death and facing the long arms of police and military personnel.

The hellish nightmare played out in the Jamaican city of Montego Bay on the night of Sunday, Oct. 17, in contravention of a government decree that, with a few exceptions, there should be no movement islandwide in keeping with ongoing efforts to contain the spread of the deadly COVID-19 pandemic. If anyone saw this coming, they had kept it secret. Even some police officers were among the church’s congregation, the city’s Police Commissioner, Antony Anderson, said in a press briefing about the incident.

The church of the self-styled “Prophet to the Nations,” proclaimed as His Excellency Dr. Kevin O. Smith, has been operating for many years under his Pathways International Kingdom Restoration Ministries. A copy of his biography obtained by The Daily Beast identifies Smith as “former crown Ambassador of the Throne of Nubia Sheba, globe traveller to over 100 countries worldwide and Yeshu’a Hamashiach end time Prophet to the Nations.”

In Facebook posts on Sunday, Smith had warned his followers of an incoming “flood” and instructed them not to take their cell phones to church that evening, but one member’s disobedience might have prevented a massacre. The police disclosed that it was an errant female follower who was overwhelmed by the sight of another young lady being killed in front of the congregation that caused her to leave and call the police.The Pathways Christian Cathedral, approximately a mile from downtown Montego Bay, became the scene of a deadly confrontation when police and army personnel responded to the call.

Stephanie Lindsay, head of the Jamaica Constabulary Force communications arm, told The Daily Beast that “from the police standpoint, we’re currently investigating a case of double murder and three counts of wounding.” A third death that occurred during the face-off with police is under investigation. Lindsay added that “the leader of the congregation along with others are in police custody as the police try to decipher exactly what transpired.”

While Lindsay couldn’t yet provide details about the circumstances of the fatalities, one female congregant who spoke with the Jamaican Observer on the condition of anonymity said that she was waiting to enter the church when she witnessed another woman’s throat being “slashed” inside. “When I saw blood and the young lady fell, I said ‘This is it for me,’” she told the outlet, adding that she escaped with a teenager after seeing two other members leap over the property’s fence in the midst of the chaos. Another anonymous escapee, who was reportedly inside the church when the “ritual” commenced, told Jamaica’s Gleaner she witnessed a “senior” church figure stabbing members after being told they’d be embarking on a “heavenly journey.”

Merline Lewin, a Montego Bay resident who lives a stone’s throw from the church, was in shock over the ordeal. “It is traumatizing. It traumatized me so much I’ve not been sleeping or eating well. I’ve not left home to do no business because of what is taking place,” she told The Daily Beast.

Two days had passed, but she remembered what happened that Sunday night vividly. “It is so shocking to know that this man came up here almost three and a half years ago, and the first time I spoke with this man, he told me he is going to put this community on the map. I didn’t know what he meant by that.” She said she continued to communicate with him on social media, including Facebook and WhatsApp, until about a year ago when the cows, goats, pigs and fowls Smith had allowed to roam freely in his churchyard sparked tension between them.

Lewin said she found it very unusual for Smith to keep all of these animals at the church he built in a residential community within the city. “I asked him why didn’t he carry them to a country area? He said it was safer here for him.”

According to Lewin, Smith also was seeking to purchase land next door, situated between his church and a Yahweh church, which itself was embroiled in a major tussle with police two years ago over children taken from their homes to stay at the church.

In his biography, Smith is also described as “an ordained minister of the Gospel at 17 years old and at 18 years old, he was ordained the National Evangelist for Canada by his Bishops. His dedication to the work of God coupled with his humble disposition was the catalyst that set in motion his meteoric rise as God’s mouthpiece and prophet to the nations.” He claimed a church membership of 800.

Smith had allegedly built rooms in the back of the church and “had children over there, young people with babies come over there and live,” Lewin said.

The dramatic event last Sunday night was somewhat reminiscent of the Jim Jones saga in the U.S., with police having to commandeer their way into the church amidst opposition and an exchange of gunfire that sent church members, clad only in white gowns, and children scampering for cover, says Lewin.

While the police try to unravel what might have been taking place at the church behind a chin-high wall, Milton Ricketts, who, though not a member of the church, says he knew Smith well after having lived in the same community as him, told The Daily Beast the unfolding drama wasn’t surprising to him.

“This man, not only has he done this despicable thing, but it has been going on for years,” Ricketts said. “And the people have been brainwashed, including the children, and they have been taught things which are unscriptural and they have suffered damage in their soul.”

Ricketts told The Daily Beast he had been hearing strange tales about Smith’s attitude of “self-importance.” “I observed it myself, he likes to have people bowing down before [him], to be subservient,” said Smith. Even to serve him water, “they would have to take the knee and he had to be addressed by his preferred title, Crown Bishop at all times.”

Why Do We Believe in Cults? Hint: It’s Not Brainwashing

Ricketts and Lewin said that congregants were told how much money they needed to offer to Smith, who allegedly raked in thousands from his followers.

Referring to the tight hold Smith had over his congregation, Ricketts told The Daily Beast: “I do know he has caused splits in families, serious split to the extent where I know of a family where the kids were estranged from the parents. The parents were excommunicated from the church and the kids never spoke to the parents again.”

Ricketts, a devout Christian, said he is deeply concerned for the psychological well-being of the children attending what he preferred to call Smith’s organization, rather than a church. “These people come and Satan sets them up in what he calls a church, which is a smokescreen; it was from day one a cult,” he said.

Ricketts claims the children’s minds have been warped and that “their emotions are not what they ought to be.” “Some seeds have been sown deep, deep in the recesses of these children’s minds,” he said. “And they might not germinate right now, but they are going to produce the truth one day.”

All the adults taken into custody have been charged for breaching the country’s Disaster Risk Management Act, under which government’s sets out COVID-related security measures. The female members have been released on bail, and the 14 children involved have been taken into custody and are now wards of the state.

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