Don't be a Rabbit in the Headlights: Reincarnation discussions

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi all this is a re visiting a what I feel/ as an important subject.
So for those who have see the discussions in the past to those new members here are some links:

"Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ite+light+trap

How to get out of the endless Reincarnation cycle?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102766-How-to-get-out-of-the-endless-Reincarnation-cycle&p=1300010#post1300010

The reported 'Light at the end of the tunnel' is taken for granted as the way it has to be, with no choices.
many here in Avalon and around the world have queries about that.

So it has been suggested we should try to be awake when our time comes, and take time to look around as it where.

Much info in the linked posts :sun:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I do not know which is the better choice but I do know my choice is to turn my back on the light tunnel, maintain the strong intention, today and tomorrow, "I go home to Source". Maintaining that intention every day must be a good choice. When croaking time gets here I will avoid the light tunnel, a potential trap, look up and find a hole in what may appear to be an electric fence. In that thought responsive environment I will go through that hole and return home.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

In a dream, years ago, I was exploring off planet and found a room with a closed door. Being the curious person I am, opened the door and stepped inside. Immediately there was a loud buzzing sound, the door was locked behind me and the room was filled with small robots, maybe Greys. I called out to friendly ETs for help. No help came. When I called upon my own power (Self) for help, I was immediately set free. Might be a lesson here. I see this room to be a trap similar to the light tunnel and memory erasure station.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Ron that was a very powerful dream you had and yes:

I called out to friendly ETs for help. No help came. When I called upon my own power (Self) for help, I was immediately set free.
there was a great lesson.
when our times come it is up to us to get through to the best place we can, under our own minds.
We would only have our selves to blame or thank then ;)

[Mercedes]

Hi there Sunny! Thank you for the post. When I started a few years back, searching for answers anywhere I could, I read about ET's having some sort of technology and if I remember correctly it had to do with the moon, with this technology they where able to get your soul and hold it for whatever reason. That information alone made me so desperate to find the truth and a way to escape that faith that I was really anxious because I thought I was running out of time, now, years later I know what I have to do when the time comes. It has to do with what Ron Mauer Sr is saying, and we don't know what lies beyond the web or mesh they built arround our earth, but there are holes in it, and there is a way out. Now I just have to work on my courage to explore what is out there, cause I know I do not want to come back , even if it's such a beautiful planet. As long as it's being hijacked the way it is I do not want to come back.

[Bubu]

I sense some mind conditioning here, just as in many many cases, where the masses are told not to have what is good for them and to have what is not good for them. thanks for the thread I will remember to go to the light.

[Sunny-side-up]

I originally mentioned in those first posts about forbidden Taoist and Buddhist doctrines (which I experimented with, with great results, mind opening expanding results)

The so called darker monks who practice what most would call black magic use the doctrines to escape the mortal coil and or pick a better/higher level next visit

[Ron Mauer Sr]

It may be helpful to maintain a sense of humor and *not* give up your power. If you find yourself in front of a powerful looking board of ascended masters or imposters who say you must go in a specific direction, you say with conviction say "What are your credentials? Show me a picture ID.

You repeat "I go home to Source."

The board says "No".

You say "Do you think you can revoke my drivers license?"

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[greybeard]

I have never ever read, heard, a mystic say dont go into the light.
I have heard repeatedly that Self realization is the way out of reincarnation.
Chris

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I have never ever read, heard, a mystic say dont go into the light.
I have heard repeatedly that Self realization is the way out of reincarnation.
Chris


Chris, have the mystics you are familiar with talked about the light tunnel? Can you summarize what they said?

My goal is to avoid manipulation. Reincarnation may be a good choice for learning.

[greybeard]

Ron been reading listening etc for forty years.
No mention of tunnel ---they say you are the light.
There is nothing to fear, not that you do.

Chris

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Ron been reading listening etc for forty years.
No mention of tunnel ---they say you are the light.
There is nothing to fear, not that you do.

Chris

Very interesting that they do not mention the light tunnel.

Many people do after a near death experience.
That is a very interesting dichotomy.
Perhaps the *immediate* path after croaking varies.

I have more strong suspicions than I do beliefs. Suspicions are easier to change based on new information that may feel good. My strongest suspicion is that we are all extensions of Source energy. And that includes the dark ones.

[RunningDeer]

"Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ite+light+trap

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/write.gif Thanks, Alan.
Link correction: "Don't go into the light (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=802772&viewfull=1#post802772)" - Discussion thread

[Wind]

First people made death a problem to be dealt with and now life after death is becoming a problem.

When you die you will actually know that this is just another thing that you don't have to worry about at all.

[greybeard]

Ron been reading listening etc for forty years.
No mention of tunnel ---they say you are the light.
There is nothing to fear, not that you do.

Chris

Very interesting that they do not mention the light tunnel.

Many people do after a near death experience.
That is a very interesting dichotomy.
Perhaps the *immediate* path after croaking varies.

I have more strong suspicions than I do beliefs. Suspicions are easier to change based on new information that may feel good. My strongest suspicion is that we are all extensions of Source energy. And that includes the dark ones.

Mystics tend to mention only what is relevant for the ones interested in not reincarnating--Self realization Ron.
Yes Ive listened to quite a few NDE accounts--thats a different ball game in that they are not enlightened through the experience and hav no free will about coming back--they had no choice --they would rather have stayed.

However several have said that they know that which ever deity they met be it Jesus--God etc.
It was them selves.
Dr Eben Alexander for one.
Anita Mootjani for another.
So they came back to share hope and testify to Oneness.

The Buddha warned against spiritual experiences--as hallucinations of the mind.
Some encourage but that's not it
Bottom line is that you are That--the Source in disguise as a person--till Truth is realized.

Chris

[Ron Mauer Sr]

It would be an enlightening experience to put the mystics and those who had an NDE experience in the same room and discuss what is experienced/perceived. If the croaking event involves free will choices it would be nice to understand ones options.

Those of us not yet enlightened could benefit from accurate information. My goal is to make good decisions.


Whenever the time is right, I hope to go to sleep while feeling good then wake up croaked and laughing about all the stuff I thought was important.

[Sunny-side-up]

You say "Do you think you can revoke my drivers license?"

Ron, like it.

Thanks RunningDeer, always like to see you around :sun:

Wind

First people made death a problem to be dealt with and now life after death is becoming a problem.

When you die you will actually know that this is just another thing that you don't have to worry about at all.

yes for sure, but we as humans can get tangled and confused even in such end matters.
And just maybe we do need to question the coming end, we have choices.
Choices:
Fear the end is most peoples way
Think and practice for it, see and take the choices which lead to a higher level of your path, well that might be considered enlightened.
You might already be at the high level and just go.
Individually we will do what we will do, if do anything we can.

BTW Hi greybeard :sun:

[Rich]

Just yesterday I watched a video in which the lady said the machine that recycles people back to earth has been turned off...

[RunningDeer]

It would be an enlightening experience to put the mystics and those who had an NDE experience in the same room and discuss what is experienced/perceived. If the croaking event involves free will choices it would be nice to understand ones options.

Those of us not yet enlightened could benefit from accurate information. My goal is to make good decisions.


Whenever the time is right, I hope to go to sleep while feeling good then wake up croaked and laughing about all the stuff I thought was important.

My goal is to be awake as I move from this space/state into the new. No death. A Tai Chi flow from here to there. An inner knowing. No mind chatter to slow the process down. I'll keep it simple because that's how it works for me.

In the meantime, I beef up my discernment skills. I feel through and use inner cognition (knowing) to experiment with the difference between the lower astral false light and beyond to unconditional love. I question. I challenge. I invite and un-invite as each adventure warrants.

My disclaimer: I’m a work in progress.

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[Michi]

Just yesterday I watched a video in which the lady said the machine that recycles people back to earth has been turned off...

There is also that recent video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cSesB9ztIs) from Wes Penre explainig the trend towards Transhumanism making the existing reincarnation traps obsolete because when all spirits are trapped in a forever living body, there's no need for "forced reincarnation."

[Ernie Nemeth]

Oh what a surprise is in store when we finally arrive at death's door!

No fear, no regrets, no second guessing self.

What a relief to know there is only more and more and more and more...without end.

[Franny]

Just yesterday I watched a video in which the lady said the machine that recycles people back to earth has been turned off...

I'd love to see the documentation on that :)

[enigma3]

I have read eastern and western writings on reincarnation and, as Greybeard has said, nothing on a tunnel of light.

As for reincarnation, the subject has been taught in all eastern philosophies forever and in non-Roman western circles until the books of the Bible were decided on. Reincarnation was taught as a valid perspective in Eastern Orthodox writings but voted out of the Bible at a Christian conference where Rome outnumbered the delegates from Constantinople 3-2.Who knows, that may just be a good story. However, reincarnation was valid in several branches of Christianity until Rome squashed it. As I understand it, the Gnostics taught it too. Rome wanted more control, so out with reincarnation.

The essence of what the Easterners say is:
1. We have been reborn into a body for thousands of lives - sometimes a man and sometimes a woman. We usually tend to reincarnate with the same loose group of people. We learn "spiritual" lessons slowly.
2. A human body, AFAIK, is the only body on this planet that has the ability to know the Source (Oneness, That, God, Allah, etc). Why are we born not knowing the Great Knowing at birth? That is the greatest mystery of all. So obtaining birth in a human body is a great gift giving the opportunity to become aware of creation, to sit at the right hand of God. The human body, with its system of "chakras" or energy centers, can tune into all vibrations at once. A rather overwhelming experience for most. All tantra is based on becoming friends with these universal energies so that the most vital energy, that of the spinal cord, will settle in the heart. When that happens, one instantly becomes fully awake. Then karma is, usually, slowly burned off. Those limitations, inclinations, limited awareness caused by baggage carried over life to life is karma. Then one becomes enlightened and not before all karma has been extinguished. First there is awakening and then enlightenment after. Perhaps only after several more lifetimes. Time doesn't matter anymore. You're living in the now. Then reincarnating in a body is not needed to learn anymore. The Tibetans call the final state where one basks in limitless awareness and love the state of no more learning.
3. Reincarnation and karma are inextricably intertwined. As the TV westerner once said - have karma, will travel.
4. What happens after enlightenment? One is reborn in a body of light. There are many levels of light out there. With no sense of an "I" left the conscious awareness never blacks out and enjoys every rebirth in a body of light. There is no more pain beyond duality. Beyond human birth.
5. The subject of awakening is grossly misunderstood and misrepresented. Cogitate on this. The first awareness upon awakening is that there is NO "I"!!! This realization is universally understood and expressed. All over the world. No I. THAT is the first precondition for awakening. To know if real awakening has happened. Now let that stir around and cogitate on what that seeing means for one's cherished paradigm. What then falls away? All adhesion to family, a total re-centering regarding friends, and more. Concepts that keep one binded or seem limited. Awakening brings a great sense of freedom. Awareness is seen to rest properly in the heart. You lose the I but gain a whole new perception from being introduced to the entire forest.
I like to say that the subject of reincarnation is moot. Eventually everyone will know the truth of its existence. So if you're looking to eliminate reincarnation start heading toward awakening. Or at least start greasing the skids.

[Ascension]

I just watched the movie Inception last night for the first time. There was much to think about, but I initially cued on the idea that to implant an idea requires a deep emotional state to be present. The story involved taking the target victim inside three nested dream states to implant an emotion about his father's passing which in turn would create an idea in his head which he would "buy" as his own thought. Inception.

In NDE stories, there is frequently a vision of your family members, or animals you loved in this life, appearing to beckon you to the light.

I cannot escape the nagging thought that the idea of emotion being used as an enticement might be too convenient. Aren't decisions you make more solid when you can silence the emotions and think rationally? To introduce comfort into the decision making process mimics injecting dopamine for the knee-jerk response. It's a bit pushy, especially when presented at such a vulnerable state of transition and confusion. Clarity in the moment would seem a more helpful response rather than bombardment by emotion.

On the other hand, if reincarnation is inescapable...

I ran across a post somewhere, sorry if it was here and I do not recall - actually it might have been on the Thomas Campbell forum, addressing the biggest problem with the idea of reincarnation which is that you reincarnate with your memory completely wiped. The post was talking about how things you learn in this life are incorporated into your current state of being, and therefore, recalling specific details serves no purpose. If you "learned" the lessons of a previous incarnation, you will not make the same mistakes.

[greybeard]

This one's for you! | Anita Moorjani -


I receive so many questions every week, I dedicated this hour long video to simply answering questions that I've received recently. This is what we cover in the video below:

- Do you still feel the unconditional love from the NDE, or has it faded away?
- Is "the other side" here? Or somewhere else?
- What do you think about the Ho’oponopono healing method?
- What are your thoughts on miscarriages?
- How can empaths wisely choose the people they work with?
- I am trying various cancer treatments and want to write a book...should I do it?
- How can I deal with regrets after my loved one has crossed over?
- What is your opinion on blockages for weight loss and abundance?
- How can I deal with the aggressive ego voice that tries to control me?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGuOUdxWsjE&feature=youtu.be

[Sunny-side-up]

Oh what a surprise is in store when we finally arrive at death's door!

No fear, no regrets, no second guessing self.

What a relief to know there is only more and more and more and more...without end.

That is why some levels of monks do practice for the cross over.
By practising you can evolve the soul along it's path, by passing many if not all the random reincarnations.
they say every time they do the exercise they evolve 2000 years along their path.

After what I saw I can see how it works and believe they are doing what they claim.
Death for them is not just a Waite and see random event, they are already pushing along the path with open/trained minds.

[TomKat]

From what I have gathered from various sources over the years, if you go into the light you have the standard oft-reported between lives experience of, say, Michael Newton. The light lasts about 3 days, then it's gone. However, you might be able to find a shaman to send you to the light. Another opportunity is to visit, say, a funeral home or hospital and hitchhike on the light of a newly dead person.

If you don't go into the light you can wander around on the earth plane, aka Bardo, until you run out of energy. To maintain your energy as a "discarnate" or "earthbound spirit," you have to steal it from a living person by becoming an astral attachment. See the book, 30 Years Among the Dead. There are beings who prefer this existence to facing "God," whatever that is.

What I don't like about the light is that it seems to always end in reincarnation. What I don't like about the Bardo is that it seems to always end in astral attachment.

The best explanation I've heard of what "the light" is, is that it's your own higher self. Of course, this doesn't jibe with the idea that you can hitchhike on someone else's light. From what I've gathered, people don't often get to merge back with Source, cease to Be.

[greybeard]

I would be inclined to listen to those that have awakened.
On the web site linked below--literally hundreds of ordinary people share their awakening.
This would seem to be a time where many are realizing the Truth about themselves.
Ramana Maharshi said "First find out who you are" who is asking all these questions--who has all these concepts?
Anyone can talk about spirituality--enlightenment.
Talking about it isn't it.
I listen to those who are Selfrealized

Buddha at the Gas Pump


https://batgap.com/

[TomKat]

Ramana Maharshi said "First find out who you are" who is asking all these questions--who has all these concepts?


Sometimes I wonder if there isn't a "guru school" in India. Or at least a pamphlet "How to Become a Guru in the West" with a list of questions to dazzle Westerners.

[greybeard]

Ramana Maharshi said "First find out who you are" who is asking all these questions--who has all these concepts?


Sometimes I wonder if there isn't a "guru school" in India. Or at least a pamphlet "How to Become a Guru in the West" with a list of questions to dazzle Westerners.

Self inquiry which is what Ramana taught is actually an ancient teaching.
India is recognized as the cradle of Spirituality.
There is only the one question or suggestion --Find the Self within.
Jesus said "Of my self I do nothing it is the Father within."

The Mystic will say that the guru resides within.

Ramana became enlightened at the age of fifteen without a teacher--it was spontaneous.
In the West Eckhart Tolle knew nothing of spirituality had no interest--the awakening was spontaneous.
Yes there are those in the West who mimic the Eastern teaching.
Ive read enough, experienced enough, to know that Self realization is a genuine natural state.
When a Kundalini awakening happens spontaneously without any prior knowledge of even that state--it rattles your cage that's what happened to me.
Chris

[TomKat]

In the West Eckhart Tolle knew nothing of spirituality had no interest--the awakening was spontaneous.


Is that what he's saying now? Why all the scientology ideas in his books?

[greybeard]

In the West Eckhart Tolle knew nothing of spirituality had no interest--the awakening was spontaneous.


Is that what he's saying now? Why all the scientology ideas in his books?

Its in his first book "The Power of Now"
Suicidal depression was a precursor to the awakening Tom Kat.
I know nothing of Scientology so cant comment.
However what I have read of his is very similar to all enlightened authors "work"

Chris

[Sunny-side-up]

Good conversations and additions all.

One thing comes to my mind while reading through is:

we need to remember or at least take into consideration that we are not all the same.
What I mean by that is, if you believe we as souls come here from different levels of the universe, different planets etc, well we might have slightly different pathways/doors.

Because of that we can and do add to each others life path here.

[greybeard]

Good conversations and additions all.

One thing comes to my mind while reading through is:

we need to remember or at least take into consideration that we are not all the same.
What I mean by that is, if you believe we as souls come here from different levels of the universe, different planets etc, well we might have slightly different pathways/doors.

Because of that we can and do add to each others life path here.

Agreed Sunny -side- up
What I post comes from the belief in non-duality but I am aware that there are other valid beliefs.
Fairly recently I posted videos on the Edgar Cayce trance findings.
These do confirm oneness but chart the first appearance of humans on the planet through Atlantis to present day version.
We do go to different planets in between incarnations
The rise and fall an rise again of humans through the various natural disasters, ice ages etc.
The reincarnation of humans
All fascinating and all documented fully in Cayce work.
The images in some of the pyramids tell that story too.
Its worth taking time to go through the videos on Edgar Cayce's teaching.
We are heading for another upgrade of body --a Golden Age according to the late Edgar Cayce

Chris

[greybeard]

One further thing on enlightenment.
The symbol of Kundalini is the serpent--it lies dormant at the base of the spine till it awakens --then it makes its way up the spine through the chakras opening the Third Eye. The Egyptians depicted in the pyramids are shown with a snake at the forehead, as are various figures in ancient pictures of Indians.

The focus of the ancient pyramid builders was an end to reincarnation through spiritual practices leading to the awakening of Kundalini a precursor to full enlightenment.

The only known way to avoid reincarnation is enlightenment--that is the end of reincarnation here but not the end of spiritual progress elsewhere.

Chris

[Sunny-side-up]

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Yes have always noticed greybeard

[Ron Mauer Sr]

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[ulli]

I wonder if dreams of snakes are clues to where one is on one's journey of reincarnation.

There have been so many dreams of snakes.

Some threatening and others broadcasting very intense love.
If the snakes threaten me I kill them.
The intensity of love felt from other snakes has very often caused tears to run down my cheeks when I relived and told the story.

Snakes shed their skins, so it could be about renewal.
I’m just guessing. Another association is about their poisononous bite.
Another one about them being shy creatures, and usually hiding, plus having strong defenses, which they have in common with scorpions. Then the biblical one, of temptation.

But the real meaning can only come from yourself, as your mind orchestrated the dream.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I wonder, if everything is an extension of Source energy (I suspect that is true), what is the reason for the illusion of separation and reincarnation?

[greybeard]

I wonder, if everything is an extension of Source energy (I suspect that is true), what is the reason for the illusion of separation and reincarnation?

Several theories Ron.
The play of consciousness.
The Cosmic dance
Iswaras dream-- That is God's . Dream.

Its a different reality in that it never happened--we were never separate from Source.

In a way all theories are distractions.
The focus should be on enlightenment--transcending the illusion of the separate entity called me.
Several of the Swami videos posted recently on the enlightenment thread, though long, are very clear as to the stages leading up to enlightenment.
Chris
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1299556&viewfull=1#post1299556

[TomKat]

I wonder, if everything is an extension of Source energy (I suspect that is true), what is the reason for the illusion of separation and reincarnation?

If you woke up to find yourself the only thing in existence, and had unlimited ability to create, what might you do?

[ulli]

You mean, like, let there be LIGHT!?!?!




I wonder, if everything is an extension of Source energy (I suspect that is true), what is the reason for the illusion of separation and reincarnation?

If you woke up to find yourself the only thing in existence, and had unlimited ability to create, what might you do?

[rgray222]

I have had the same recurring dream for many years now. I am heading towards the light and feel compelled to go through it. Inside of the light, it is rather confusing, akin to being in a dream that makes little sense. Once I emerge from the tunnel (for lack of a better word) I realize I am flying without a body. At this point, I am met by a guide. We are about 1000 above the ground moving at a fairly rapid pace, we pass over cityscapes, suburbs, oceans, deserts, we see poverty, war, disease, happiness, beauty, and destruction. All the colors are off a little bit but you can clearly understand what we are passing over. It is not earth but it is some sort of reasonable facsimile.

It becomes immediately clear that this is a placement tour. The purpose of this journey is for me to decide what type of life and under what conditions I would agree to another incarnation. Without exchanging words the guide explains that there is a major benefit or reward for choosing a difficult life, such as being born in a war zone or into poverty or with some serious health condition.

In this dream, I fully understand that I have done this many times before and this time I have told myself I am not going back regardless of the circumstances or rewards being offered.

As the guide and I continue to move forward I keep repeating to myself that this placement tour is not about what you see below and it is not about returning to earth. It is about distance. All I can think about is that the further I go the better the outcome will be. The longer we are moving forward the more difficult it gets. At some point, it becomes excruciatingly difficult to keep going. Along the way, I begin to question my ability to see this through to the end. Somehow I reach down deep and find the strength to go on. Just when I am starting to think that I won't be able to continue we come upon a horizon that is entirely encased in a brilliant white light. It makes the tunnel at the beginning of the journey seem ordinary. The guide turns to me and smiles and releases me into the horizon. The dream always end the same way. I feel a warmth and a deep sense of gratitude.

[Sérénité]

I recently had a past life regression. I only managed to view one past life on Earth. I was also shown the location of my first life on Earth and introduced to my spirit guide. The only other life I seen wasn’t on earth.
What was interesting was the time between lives. I was taken up at my moment of death in a sparkling bright tube of effervescent light and arrived in what felt like an airport departure lounge of souls. There was thousands of ‘soul families’ meeting together again. It was my understanding we choose when/if to come back and we agree to our ‘mission’ before coming back. I don’t think we’re all Earth souls, but we have the option to come to earth to help and evolve. I think there’s both a personal and higher collective mission in reincarnation. I didn’t feel like I had to return, I think we have choice and free will in the spirit world :)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I wonder, if everything is an extension of Source energy (I suspect that is true), what is the reason for the illusion of separation and reincarnation?

If you woke up to find yourself the only thing in existence, and had unlimited ability to create, what might you do?


I suspect the answer is ... create some playmates.

[Sunny-side-up]

I have had the same recurring dream for many years now. I am heading towards the light and feel compelled to go through it. Inside of the light, it is rather confusing, akin to being in a dream that makes little sense. Once I emerge from the tunnel (for lack of a better word) I realize I am flying without a body. At this point, I am met by a guide. We are about 1000 above the ground moving at a fairly rapid pace, we pass over cityscapes, suburbs, oceans, deserts, we see poverty, war, disease, happiness, beauty, and destruction. All the colors are off a little bit but you can clearly understand what we are passing over. It is not earth but it is some sort of reasonable facsimile.

It becomes immediately clear that this is a placement tour. The purpose of this journey is for me to decide what type of life and under what conditions I would agree to another incarnation. Without exchanging words the guide explains that there is a major benefit or reward for choosing a difficult life, such as being born in a war zone or into poverty or with some serious health condition.

In this dream, I fully understand that I have done this many times before and this time I have told myself I am not going back regardless of the circumstances or rewards being offered.

As the guide and I continue to move forward I keep repeating to myself that this placement tour is not about what you see below and it is not about returning to earth. It is about distance. All I can think about is that the further I go the better the outcome will be. The longer we are moving forward the more difficult it gets. At some point, it becomes excruciatingly difficult to keep going. Along the way, I begin to question my ability to see this through to the end. Somehow I reach down deep and find the strength to go on. Just when I am starting to think that I won't be able to continue we come upon a horizon that is entirely encased in a brilliant white light. It makes the tunnel at the beginning of the journey seem ordinary. The guide turns to me and smiles and releases me into the horizon. The dream always end the same way. I feel a warmth and a deep sense of gratitude.

:)

rgray222 that's what the exercise I did was about, it's what the monks practice so that they reincarnate in the best possible/desired next life.
They train to go as far down the tunnel (for want of a batter name) as possible.

What I saw in the exercise is the tunnel, not the light tunnel.
The light tunnel is the tunnel as seen while you are moving into/through it at vast speed, so no detail just bright white.
I was at the mouth of the tunnel, looking down as far as I could.
This is how to pick the next life.
Or
to go all the way to sauce if wanted and or if your strong enough.


That was a very interesting dream rgray222 :sun:

[Michi]

I wonder, if everything is an extension of Source energy (I suspect that is true), what is the reason for the illusion of separation and reincarnation?

If you woke up to find yourself the only thing in existence, and had unlimited ability to create, what might you do?


I suspect the answer is ... create some playmates.

... and to create some rules ...
(and thus, the downward spiral began)

I don't want to be a curmudgeon but I have the suspicion that "games" (as odd as it sounds) was the pitfall of the spirit. Maybe not necessarily so, but it just went this way.
(This might be perhaps another good possible thread.)

:focus:

[TomKat]

I wonder, if everything is an extension of Source energy (I suspect that is true), what is the reason for the illusion of separation and reincarnation?

If you woke up to find yourself the only thing in existence, and had unlimited ability to create, what might you do?


I suspect the answer is ... create some playmates.

... and to create some rules ...
(and thus, the downward spiral began)
I don't want to be a curmudgeon but I have the suspicion that "games" (as odd as it sounds) was the pitfall of the spirit. Maybe not necessarily so, but it just went this way.


Supposedly after we die we realize, from a giddy state, that it was all just a game. But later on, quite probably, the part of our energy we left on the Earth plane pulls us into reincarnation willy nilly -- perhaps even thinking we are making a conscious decision.

[Sunny-side-up]

How else can we experience the Ego, but here in the material.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

How else can we experience the Ego, but here in the material.
I wonder if experiencing the Ego has value, and why?

[Carmody]

It has value, it's the higher level language and programming for the body. It's the peak interface point and tends to run the show. Sometimes like an unwanted 'peter principle' senior manager, that just won't stop driving and integrating, at any price.

If you really want to see the shape of it in reflection, look at how the world is run via the forces that be, re how they address it, they never address you. They always address the ego, one might say.

The ego is both problem and innocent. It can drive like a train wreck, but it never really ever intends any harm. It's just a tad too base to be responsible for such things, even though it can be instrumental. Both live and dead, on the verge of either.

This 'ego' interface is required, otherwise the body would be very unwieldy. Impossible, most likely.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

What Carmody said. The ego is the 'monkey brain' in all of us, the input/output system, in which mind and intellect is seated. It houses the tools we need to engage in the 3-dimensional world and to survive it. It is only a mask we wear though, through which the light of our souls, however faintly, shines. It is not truly us, though if fed too much the ego can be cultivated and grown, even putting out tentacles that can strangle us and dominate our lives (and that of others). Upon death however it is discarded, along with everything else of the body.

[Sunny-side-up]

The trick with Ego is to be it's master and not it's puppet.

here is my experience of the Light Tunnel as seen from a stationary position.
When you go uncontrollably hurtling down it, it's a bright light.
https://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z413/Alanshots/My%202013%20artworks/Randoms/463c875a-d16f-4976-ac1d-de11f2b39b9a.jpg (http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/Alanshots/media/My%202013%20artworks/Randoms/463c875a-d16f-4976-ac1d-de11f2b39b9a.jpg.html)

Imagine those balls to be perfect shiny chrome spheres, all in a perfect geometry.

That's just from my experience, you might well see something other, maybe angles.

[greybeard]

Enlightenment is an egoless state--so if you do not want to reincarnate then it has to be transcended.
That is not my opinion but as stated by every self-realized mystic I have ever read and that is quite a few.
Ego is a separation device--it keeps one in ignorance--the ignorance being that you/we are separate beings--separate from source.
Tim's thread is very clear and thats not second hand, that's what happened.
No person left to claim enlightenment--no ego.
Chris

[Ba-ba-Ra]

My 'current' understanding of ego & spirit in layman terms.

Spirit merges with body to operate in 3D
But Spirit can't "feel" bodily functions
Ego comes with the body and was meant to be manager of body functions.
Ego is how body learns not to touch something hot or it will burn
Not to jump off of roof top, etc.
Spirit was meant to be driver of body, tell us where to go, how to live. Ego is the vehicle/car

Somewhere along the way we lost touch with the Spirit (driver of the car) and began to believe we were the car
We saw ourselves as physical beings, not spiritual beings having a temporary physical experience.

Because we put all or most of our emphasis on the physical, ego became more powerful

Ego's goal is to preserve and advance the body - even if that means competing with, killing, cheating your perceived enemies (other bodies)

Spirit knows there is no death. Ego fears death as it is the end of that body, hence the death of ego.

[rgray222]

Enlightenment is an egoless state--so if you do not want to reincarnate then it has to be transcended.
That is not my opinion but as stated by every self-realized mystic I have ever read and that is quite a few.
Ego is a separation device--it keeps one in ignorance--the ignorance being that you/we are separate beings--separate from source.
Tim's thread is very clear and that's, not second hand, that's what happened.
No person left to claim enlightenment--no ego.
Chris

Hi Chris
Wondering if you can clarify something for me. When you say
if you do not want to reincarnate then it has to be transcended.what exactly do you mean? To me, it means that we have to "overcome" our ego. Or do you mean that we have to find a way to remove our ego altogether to reach what you call an egoless state? I think the ego certainly plays an important role in our lives sometimes good and sometimes bad. I also believe that we can override or subdue our egos but I not aware that we can actually reach a completely egoless state, as in no ego whatsoever.

While I believe that everyone possesses and ego a lot of people never seem to use or put their ego on display. Most of these people seem to be very gentle souls. Are they prime candidates for enlightenment or maybe they have reached that state already.

Many Thanks
Richard

[Wind]

When it comes to the ego, this is a truthful commentary from Eckhart Tolle.

bImdyQn43s8

[Words of Joy]

I wonder, if everything is an extension of Source energy (I suspect that is true), what is the reason for the illusion of separation and reincarnation?

If you woke up to find yourself the only thing in existence, and had unlimited ability to create, what might you do?


I suspect the answer is ... create some playmates.

...in an illusory realm with a set of rules and circumstances, that will make sure that everyone created at some point will transcend the illusion and come next to you, in a state that they don't put themselves first, but others, just like yourself, so that what is felt/experienced will be so much more beautiful. Though "everyone" is a loose term, if you let those, that transcend the illusion, share increasingly in your limitless creativity, which will make for an ever evolving experience, where love for all comes first, for yourself and the others.

[Words of Joy]

I wonder if dreams of snakes are clues to where one is on one's journey of reincarnation.

There have been so many dreams of snakes.

Some threatening and others broadcasting very intense love.
If the snakes threaten me I kill them.
The intensity of love felt from other snakes has very often caused tears to run down my cheeks when I relived and told the story.

Snakes shed their skins, so it could be about renewal.
I’m just guessing. Another association is about their poisonous bite.
Another one about them being shy creatures, and usually hiding, plus having strong defenses, which they have in common with scorpions. Then the biblical one, of temptation.

But the real meaning can only come from yourself, as your mind orchestrated the dream.

I'm fortunate to have my dreams explained from time to time by the Spirit. I'll give two examples. And how I think they can affect reincarnation.

First dream was where I had a scorpion on my arm and I wasn't able to remove it from my arm. At some point a friend came in and started wetting the room with a big super-soaker. While that was going on bugs were fleeing outside from under the furniture and the scorpion was gone. Explanation given was that I had the tendency to response verbally on impulse, not giving my words enough thought. This behavior had the potential of hurting others, causing implicitly to hurt myself in the process. Though because I was not aware of this in real life, I also didn't think of changing it, I was blind to it. My friend was the person with the answer to improve my behavior. So I spoke with him about it, after I had learned what the dream meant. He's a chess player and he told me he used to train children to learn how to play chess. A challenge for young children beginning to play chess is to not move chess pieces on impulse, but to first think about their move and the result of the move. A trick they use to avoid the hand to move a chess piece on impulse is to sit on their hands. To me that made a lot of sense, and from then on I've been trying to give it more thought before speaking.

Other dream was where a snake came close to me. From that dream I learned that the snake represented a person that was going to be on my path that had the potential to steer me off my path and into obscurity. In this case the dream was like a warning sign: Be careful, snake ahead!

These type dreams I feel need to be evaluated against life. From my perspective dreams with venomous creatures indicate influences either within yourself or within others that might steer or keep you off the track to transcending the illusion. Time to analyse life and surroundings is what I take for these type dreams. The venomous creatures embody death, which is that which we're trying to overcome (at least I am :happythumbsup: ). Thanks to the Great Good One's plan involving Jesus, it's become so much easier. Anyone can talk to Jesus and ask for help to show the path and invite the Spirit to guide life in a way, that will avoid death and with it reincarnation that includes suffering.

@Ron, :sorry: for using the message you had removed as being off-topic. I saw value in what you mentioned for this topic.

[greybeard]

Enlightenment is an egoless state--so if you do not want to reincarnate then it has to be transcended.
That is not my opinion but as stated by every self-realized mystic I have ever read and that is quite a few.
Ego is a separation device--it keeps one in ignorance--the ignorance being that you/we are separate beings--separate from source.
Tim's thread is very clear and that's, not second hand, that's what happened.
No person left to claim enlightenment--no ego.
Chris

Hi Chris
Wondering if you can clarify something for me. When you say
if you do not want to reincarnate then it has to be transcended.what exactly do you mean? To me, it means that we have to "overcome" our ego. Or do you mean that we have to find a way to remove our ego altogether to reach what you call an egoless state? I think the ego certainly plays an important role in our lives sometimes good and sometimes bad. I also believe that we can override or subdue our egos but I not aware that we can actually reach a completely egoless state, as in no ego whatsoever.

While I believe that everyone possesses and ego a lot of people never seem to use or put their ego on display. Most of these people seem to be very gentle souls. Are they prime candidates for enlightenment or maybe they have reached that state already.

Many Thanks
Richard

Richard we could talk about the ego at length but the bottom line is this definition of ego.
"Belief in the story of me." (as a seperate individual.)
Seperate individuals reincarnate till that ignorance is removed--Divine Grace reveals that there never was a separate individual.
When this is realized there is no individual left to reincarnate
Jesus said--"The Father and I are One"
The Eastern religions say--"Only Brahman exists" That thou art--finding this to be true is the goal of the teachings..
This is a video I recommend--long but contains all that a genuine seeker of enlightenment need to know in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPhsmHRC9xM

A short explanation by Adyashanti here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1300956&viewfull=1#post1300956

"Quote There are two essential lines of development in the quest for enlightenment -- the shift of self-identity followed by the dissolution of identity altogether. In this compelling satsang, Adyashanti focuses on the deeper aspects of his teaching as he explores the subtlety of the dissolution of self and the quiet, complete surrender through which all identity falls away. "

Best wishes
Chris

[Michi]

When it comes to the ego, this is a truthful commentary from Eckhart Tolle.

bImdyQn43s8
Very insightful video!
My question then is:
Besides the body senses distraction, what keeps the spirit (or "self" or "being") locked in the mind (or ego) and the body?

[greybeard]

Belief that this is me keeps one locked in the concept that I am an individual.
The story of me.
I am the doer, the author of everything that happens in my life.

"Events happen
Deeds are done
There is no individual there of."

Thats a very ancient teaching quoted by Ramesh Balsekar who was fond of saying "You are not the doer"
also "God gave you an ego let Him remove it"

The more you study the subject of enlightenment the easier it gets.
Its a process of elimination---Neity neity Not this not this.
You are already the Ultimate you have to remove all thoughts/concepts/beliefs that obscure this.
Rather than me trying to explain I would suggest you have a look at Tims thread.
Enlightenment - A direct, succinct account of what occurs...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904
Chris

[chris_walker]

Just yesterday I watched a video in which the lady said the machine that recycles people back to earth has been turned off...

There is also that recent video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cSesB9ztIs) from Wes Penre explainig the trend towards Transhumanism making the existing reincarnation traps obsolete because when all spirits are trapped in a forever living body, there's no need for "forced reincarnation."This is indeed frightening if true and I suspect it may very well be true. However, if we can't die, does that mean they have less, almost no control over us? As I see it now, it's the fear death that permeates our earthly existence.

As an aside, there was a poster on another forum (ATS) some years ago who said he was tormented by spirit-orbs so he somehow trapped them in a Faraday cage and tormented them in revenge. It was a whacko thread and kind of funny but what I got out of it was that it seems spirits can be trapped and a Faraday cage might be all that's required. Now that's scary too!

[greybeard]

You cant be trapped in a body.
Spirit can not be trapped--you in essence are neither male nor female.
Your are formless consciousness.
Formless condenses temporally into form then back again to formless.
The soul is without beginning or end--eternal.

Everyone is welcome to their belief

Chris

[Michi]

You cant be trapped in a body.
Spirit can not be trapped--you in essence are neither male nor female.
Your are formless consciousness.
Formless condenses temporally into form then back again to formless.
The soul is without beginning or end--eternal.

Everyone is welcome to their belief

Chris

Hi Chris
Trapps can be also in form of firm beliefs.
I saw once a video where baby elephants are conditioned to be tied to a sturdy pole and when grown older, don't even try to escape because their conviction is that they can't pull that pole.
But on your fellow man, it's not that easy.
Even if you tell him "you are free of your body" he want take of.

[Michi]

Strange - I noticed on some threads where I commented - they died down with no more replies. :(

Please keep this insightful and interesting thread going ...

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[greybeard]

Strange - I noticed on some threads where I commented - they died down with no more replies. :(

Please keep this insightful and interesting thread going ...

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Hi Michi the thing is this kind of thread does not attract too many posters.
There are long standing threads in the spiritual section where no doubt you are very welcome to post on any spiritual subject.
This particular subject here has resurface quite often over the years.
You are not a thread killer--you just arrive when it was going quiet.
Best wishes
Chris