Psychic Surgery: it's real, and it works

[Billy]

I have had the honour of having psychic surgery performed on me by a great man I have met quite a few times in my life now.

On my first meeting around 10yrs ago, I lay on a bed. He announced for me to relax and said: "I am going to open your heart."

I watched him score a line with his thumb just below my heart and the flesh opened up. He proceeded to put his hand inside the open flesh and distracted a dark coloured liquid, which he threw into a bin at his feet.

He took a crystal and placed it inside the flesh for a few moments. He then gently rubbed his hand over the open flesh and closed it up. All done. No pain but a strange sensation.

That was my first meeting. On my last meeting he opened all my chakra points, laid a crystal inside each chakra point then closed them again, last to close was my third eye.

I experienced a blinding flash of pure white light when he closed the third eye. I had to be carried out with a huge smile on my face, I was in 7th heaven, as they say. This was in Holland, around 13yrs ago.

[Billy]

His name is Alex Orbito. He is resident in the Philippines and travels to a few places twice a year, Holland being one of the countries he visits.

On my first meeting with Alex, I asked him how he was able to put his hand inside a body without leaving a mark. He replied, "Nothing is solid, I do not see a body, I see water and dark shadows in the water. I remove the shadows."

He used to visit Italy until the Catholic Church prevented him returning. He is from generations of a shamanic linage and a Christian. He fought his natural healing gifts in his early years but after a very profound spiritual experience he decided that healing others was his path.

He heals the whole body. His helpers in Holland are people that he has healed in the past from cancer etc. He has the theory that every organ in the body is connected to emotions, so when you have emotional upsets or baggage that some people carry around for many years, this has a negative effect on certain organs in the body, leaving a negativity around that organ that Alex can see. Anger effects the liver, sadness effects the heart, and so on.

He has an amazing personal story. And someone else wrote a book about his life story titled Man of Light (https://amazon.com/Light-Extraordinary-Gifts-Great-Healer/dp/B005CWVZQY). After having dreams and visions about pyramids from 5yrs old (although he did not know that was what he was seeing as he had never seen one before) until a unscheduled flight had to land in Egypt many years ago.

He was then told from his guides that he was to build one in the Philippines. An architect whom he had healed and a millionaire he had healed both stepped forward to assist in the massive project, This is what he has achieved:

http://pyramidofasia.org (http://www.pyramidofasia.org/)

There are many false shamans/ healers/ psychic surgeons but i can personally recommend Alex as a true healer and a very beautiful soul.

[avid]

Billy, I paid a lot of money to a now infamous ‘psychic surgeon’ to try to save my sister-in-law. He pressed deeply onto her, it was very uncomfortable, he ‘produced’ some bloody item afterwards and binned it (sleight of hand), but she died a month later. The queues to see him were phenomenal, all desperate folk. He was a fraud, hypnotist and magician. Disgusting, he was ‘operating’ early 1990’s in UK, she went to Norwich to see him.

I have read of those in India performing such miracles, but I am now a sceptic.

Whilst composing this post, I missed your explanation, and all I can say is “if only”, it all seems too good to be true, but our preconceptions hinder our experiences, I’m hoping this was the case in your instance. Thanks for your elaboration.

[TomKat]

On my last meeting he opened all my chakra points, laid a crystal inside each chakra point then closed them again, last to close was my third eye.

What is the purpose of sealing a crystal inside each chakra? And is it a physical crystal that would show up on x-ray?

[DeDukshyn]

 
I think all I would add to this thread is that true belief has an awful lot of power ... and it can be, and is regularly, demonstrated. Often the "appearance" of something is a catalyst for creating a strong belief, and that is how the desired effect is achieved.

So ... can it work? Yes it entirely can ... but the physical mechanics achieve their effect in a different way than most people recognize.

[AutumnW]

This kind of theatre is very powerful magic. We still don't clearly understand the powers of the mind, the placebo effect and how our own mind, in a highly receptive state might interact with invisible forces for healing. It's a deep mystery and I would never dismiss that powerful healing can happen in some instances. At the same time, it is art and the mystical, to a large extent, so likely won't work all the time.

I am so happy for you, Billy. And I am so sorry, Avid, to hear about your sister in law. It's going to be hit and miss, because of its nature. And yes, it will attract plenty of charlatans, too!

[Billy]

Hi guys.
I actually posted the above posts on a different thread in 2012. Bill and a few mods were exchanging different experiences in the mods chat when I mentioned that I had experienced a meeting with Alex for the first time 20 years ago. Bill said I should share this experience on the forum, to which I replied, I already had somewhere but was lost in the history of threads.
Bill found what I had written and thought it deserved its own thread. And here we are. :bigsmile:

@Avid.
I am sorry to hear that your friend was deceived by a charlatan. Alex said there are many false healers in his country also.
I was a sceptic myself before I witnessed first hand what this man was capable of performing. He has been scrutinized and tested beyond belief. He was arrested by the Vatican in Italy and his bucket full of negative yuck was taken for analysis by scientists. He told them they had better be quick as the contents would disappear within a short time. This is exactly what happened.

@Tomkat.
The crystal was not sealed within me but placed inside each chakra point then removed as he worked his way up to my third eye.
The purpose of the crystal I took to be an activation tool. But I was so far gone that I could not speak or ask if that was the case.

@Dedukshyn.
So true :heart:

[Bubu]

Some famous psychic healers from the Philippines. http://www.aenet.org/philip/healers.htm. I heard countless stories of such. Real and fake. Although the big majority is real.

[Strat]

 
I think all I would add to this thread is that true belief has an awful lot of power ... and it can be, and is regularly, demonstrated.

10,000% agreed. This is a proven phenomenon that messes with my head. If we could harness this then the medical community would be defunct.

I don't mean to post this to be rude or whatever it's just something worth nothing:
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EDIT: Maybe what the OP experienced was the real deal. My point is that probably beyond 99% of psychic surgeons are not.

[prc]

I really don´t know what to think because recently in Brazil authorities has sent to prison John of God, our famous psichic healer based in Abadiania city and he was accused of raping hundreds of women, kiddinapping women to get them pregnant and after birth send baies to Europe or USA (trafficking babies.
On the other hand we have people like Althea Hawk that has written the Book Quantum DNA Healing and Gregg Bradden (there is a youtube video of Gregg in Asia where he shows a live video of psichic doctors healing a cancer tumor only chanting some words), I really wish that QUantum Healing is possible, but can it be mass reproduced or is just rare cases around the world?

[amor]

The following experience which I had in the early 1970's may help in some way to make connections about the subject of psychic healing. This experience took place while I was sound asleep and dreaming of a foster grandmother I had spent 4 years with from the age of 8 to 12. She was very poor and a chain smoker. Apparently, unknown to me, this resulted in a stomach cancer tumor the size of a grapefruit. As I dreamed, I placed my right hand down her throat into her stomach an pulled out the tumor which had many tendrils attached to it.

Time passed and I forgot the dream as just another strange dream. Her daughter and I met months later. She spoke of her mother and told that one night her mother was awakened from sleep with the desire to vomit. Somehow, she vomited up this huge mass along with a lot of blood. The mass had tendrils around it and the doctor declared it to have been a cancerous tumor. The entire cancer was expelled. What happened here? Did I perform psychic surgery or was this some sort of telepathic messaging? Just another very unusual experience in life to wonder about.

[Forest Denizen]

I really don´t know what to think ... ... I really wish that QUantum Healing is possible, but can it be mass reproduced or is just rare cases around the world?

prc, yes, not all are the real deal, but just the fact that SOME ARE should provide a very clear message that the world is FULL of "magic" that science has simply not caught up with!


The following experience which I had in the early 1970's... ...I was sound asleep and dreaming of a foster grandmother I had spent 4 years with from the age of 8 to 12... ...What happened here? Did I perform psychic surgery or was this some sort of telepathic messaging? Just another very unusual experience in life to wonder about.

amor, thank you for sharing this wonderful experience! As you are aware, dreams are ofttimes more than just the simple fabrications of one's own imagination!

:flower: :flower: :flower:

[TomKat]

prc, yes, not all are the real deal, but just the fact that SOME ARE should provide a very clear message that the world is FULL of "magic" that science has simply not caught up with!


Maybe it's real sometimes but when they can't pull it off, they fake it. That's what Uri Geller supposedly did.

[Anchor]

Billy, it is great that you were healed.

In cases where a healer is party to a healing event, they are catalysts. They way they perform healing has many modes and psychic surgery is one of them.

Sadly, acting in any of these modes, fraudulent people can claim to be healers and get gain some service to self from it.

One example of a healing conducted in some mode doesn't mean it always will be effective. Otherwise, you would have people putting mud and spit in blind peoples eyes and wondering why they still cant see after it has been removed! I mean if was good enough for Jesus...

[Ratszinger]

We know from old writings that Eskimo and Araucano medicine men are able to hypnotize their entire audience to the extent that it appears that the medicine man opens up the body of the patient and handles the intestines or other afflicted part and then closes the body without leaving any traces save for some small amounts of blood droplets here and there on occasion. To the patient in these instances the events perceived are real, yet the hallucination is an altered state of consciousness. The question of what is real and what is not certainly becomes vague at best in some settings. I would ask Billy if he is prone to light trance states?

One condition conducive to a light trance state is fishing, especially fishing from a boat on a calm sheet of glass like water with only the gentle breeze and slight ripples now and then to move the boat ever so gently. It is thought to be the result of many hours of sitting idle on the ocean waiting for seals to surface. (LeCron, 1952. p. 15

The reflection of the sun glinting off the water, the gentle rock of the vessel in the water combined with nature can cause even a wide awake person with coffee in his belly to space off into a daydream but for really susceptible people it's almost dangerous. In the far north the Eskimos experience this in what they term "kayak disease," which is feeling of paralysis accompanied by a feeling of separateness from themselves and when this occurs out on the ocean it can become life threatening quickly. Or driving an automobile on a long stretch of highway, a highway made for maximum smoothness combined with driving at night with little traffic to stimulate you so there are few to no distractions. Everyone can be susceptible to this. You begin to go into that same hypnotic state or light trance state. Would you say Billy you are one that is affected by these things? Not trying to put down the experience or the healing just saying hypnotized patients have exhibited some bizarre and often fantastic results of ESP and psychic energy. Seeing the results of some of the other reading I've done it appears mind over matter is real. I imagine a healing could take place but I have to wonder about previous meetings, possible presuggestions or build up as in creating a series of steps as they met you so that each time they went just a littler farther with suggestions, repeated movements, especially involving things like touching your arm, or our shoulder. Not that I'm saying you weren't healed. Quite the opposite. I have to wonder if the little guy isn't just some master hypnosis expert that has presuggested so much to the people involved in the audience including you in private meetings that all he has to do is whatever he has suggested when he comes out and everyone is under! Just like that!

Some of these medicine men and women and what they practice has caused many white travelers to think the medicine men to be great surgeons, when they are not great surgeons but simply great hypnotists! (LeCron, 1952.p.16)

Even primitive cultures noted the uses of hypnosis. It was no secret that hypnotic states aided in memory recall, and acted as an anesthetic and analgesic, as well as a way of expanding mental awareness. 'It has been claimed that strange telepathic powers could be evoked under hypnosis' (Wolfberg 1945.p.52)

In the 1700's when Franz Anton Mesmer was conducting his therapeudic sessions dealing with trance states, he called it animal magnetism. One patient of Mesmer's while under hypnosis, not only saw his lost pet dog, but actually gave specific instructions enabling a third party to locate and retrieve the animal for it's owner based on the instructions given in trance. (LeCron, 1952.p.362).

LeCron, Leslie M. (1952). the McMillan Company New York.Experimental Hypnosis
Wolberg, Lewis Rober. (1945). Grune & Stratton, New YorkHypnoanalysis.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's another story, told to me by someone I met in Ecuador, a gifted Ecuadorian businesswoman but who is also very spiritual.

Her name is Maria. Maria and a friend of hers were holding a vigil with a mutual friend who was terminally ill with cancer. They were both sitting there at his bedside.

Maria went into a very deep meditation, just to try to assist his suffering in some way.

Half an hour later, she came back to full awareness. Her friend was looking at her in stunned amazement. Maria had no idea why.

Then she saw there was a bloody mass of tissue sitting there on the bedside table. Her friend told her that when she was in her deep trance, which is what it seemed to have been, she had reached inside their friend's body and just pulled out the tumor.

Their friend later made a full recovery. And the tumor was indeed gone.

:flower:

[Angels1981]

Well they say Cancer is a form of self loathing. If you don't love yourself then the hatred eats away at you. I studied Doja at University and faith healing etc. I am a healer and I have been blessed to pull a barge pole out from someone and then watched her stand up and walk out of the bathroom. That is the essence of love at work. It works if you are dependant upon Love creator anything else I'm like it's ego working for your own benefits and oh look I'm world famous... pah...
I think if it's major surgery or a bad illness to compliment it with traditional bio medicine. Then anything lessor give it a go.
It all based upon the third eye being open and training to see intuitively. Trusting your self and the patience and the directions provided by spirit. It's touch and go but I believe it . If anyone would be equipt to do it they should train proper DR. MD's and then they know how to watch for the organs etc.

When I pulled out the pole from a person's back. I was told to be extra careful taking it out and watching I don't rip the organs inside. I was like yah no sweat. But what I am saying is, even for something as basic as that and I was not medically trained just shows how delicate an issue it is to be truly into psychic surgery.
Angel

[bobme]

I have hesitated to reply to this topic for my experiance with external invasive incounter with it.

The entity,{or what ever it was}, did not have my consent, and I had no idea of what the purpose of it was.

I just happened to wake up and catch it reaching into my body,{mid torso area}'

I am glad your encouter was so well for you Billy.:bigsmile: And all others as well who mave had positive results with these events.

But I am still, in some way leary of it. Not sure if I could ever trust it again.

Thanks for the post.:bigsmile: Gave me something to think about'

[ulli]

The following experience which I had in the early 1970's may help in some way to make connections about the subject of psychic healing. This experience took place while I was sound asleep and dreaming of a foster grandmother I had spent 4 years with from the age of 8 to 12. She was very poor and a chain smoker. Apparently, unknown to me, this resulted in a stomach cancer tumor the size of a grapefruit. As I dreamed, I placed my right hand down her throat into her stomach an pulled out the tumor which had many tendrils attached to it.

Time passed and I forgot the dream as just another strange dream. Her daughter and I met months later. She spoke of her mother and told that one night her mother was awakened from sleep with the desire to vomit. Somehow, she vomited up this huge mass along with a lot of blood. The mass had tendrils around it and the doctor declared it to have been a cancerous tumor. The entire cancer was expelled. What happened here? Did I perform psychic surgery or was this some sort of telepathic messaging? Just another very unusual experience in life to wonder about.

I believe you, although many will find it incredible. Something similar happened to me. During the mid seventies a dear friend of mine was diagnosed with a brain tumor, and her desperate mother begged me to visit her, as none of her other friends would. She was in a private hospital in north London, in her own room. A nurse gave me directions but when I got there I only saw a bald old man in a wheelchair. I then found our to my horror that this was my friend Suzanne, who had once been a stunning model.

At the time I was reading many books on faith healing, and also discovered that I could heal people’s toothaches by laying my hand on them. Suzanne was totally unresponsive, but I went ahead anyway.
Shortly after this I had a vivid dream where I saw her in her wheelchair and a black shiny mass that looked like tar, or like a huge black snake, had emerged from her head and hung all the way down to the floor.
Her mother visited me again and told me that Suzanne had started to speak again, and still had her sense of humor.


When I went back to visit her again the hospital refused me entry. Her mother later told me that even she was not allowed to see her. Suzanne’s husband who was wealthy and powerful, had asked that no one but he and his family could see her. She died not long after. RIP, Suzanne Lilley.

It was a real tragedy, as she left four beautiful children, all under ten. But I learnt something about the power of prayer.

I was later attending private classes from a healer called Lily Cornford, who was later made famous by singer Kate Bush who wrote a song about her.

[ulli]

prc, yes, not all are the real deal, but just the fact that SOME ARE should provide a very clear message that the world is FULL of "magic" that science has simply not caught up with!


Maybe it's real sometimes but when they can't pull it off, they fake it. That's what Uri Geller supposedly did.

Understandable. And this is what James Randi relies on with his million dollar challenge, when he tries to disprove psychics. He deliberately disturbs the state of mind of the person, until they lose it, and they all fail the test in the end, even though they have produced a much higher success rate until then than mere chance would allow.

[ulli]

We know from old writings that Eskimo and Araucano medicine men are able to hypnotize their entire audience to the extent that it appears that the medicine man opens up the body of the patient and handles the intestines or other afflicted part and then closes the body without leaving any traces save for some small amounts of blood droplets here and there on occasion. To the patient in these instances the events perceived are real, yet the hallucination is an altered state of consciousness. The question of what is real and what is not certainly becomes vague at best in some settings. I would ask Billy if he is prone to light trance states?

One condition conducive to a light trance state is fishing, especially fishing from a boat on a calm sheet of glass like water with only the gentle breeze and slight ripples now and then to move the boat ever so gently. It is thought to be the result of many hours of sitting idle on the ocean waiting for seals to surface. (LeCron, 1952. p. 15

The reflection of the sun glinting off the water, the gentle rock of the vessel in the water combined with nature can cause even a wide awake person with coffee in his belly to space off into a daydream but for really susceptible people it's almost dangerous. In the far north the Eskimos experience this in what they term "kayak disease," which is feeling of paralysis accompanied by a feeling of separateness from themselves and when this occurs out on the ocean it can become life threatening quickly. Or driving an automobile on a long stretch of highway, a highway made for maximum smoothness combined with driving at night with little traffic to stimulate you so there are few to no distractions. Everyone can be susceptible to this. You begin to go into that same hypnotic state or light trance state. Would you say Billy you are one that is affected by these things? Not trying to put down the experience or the healing just saying hypnotized patients have exhibited some bizarre and often fantastic results of ESP and psychic energy. Seeing the results of some of the other reading I've done it appears mind over matter is real. I imagine a healing could take place but I have to wonder about previous meetings, possible presuggestions or build up as in creating a series of steps as they met you so that each time they went just a littler farther with suggestions, repeated movements, especially involving things like touching your arm, or our shoulder. Not that I'm saying you weren't healed. Quite the opposite. I have to wonder if the little guy isn't just some master hypnosis expert that has presuggested so much to the people involved in the audience including you in private meetings that all he has to do is whatever he has suggested when he comes out and everyone is under! Just like that!

Some of these medicine men and women and what they practice has caused many white travelers to think the medicine men to be great surgeons, when they are not great surgeons but simply great hypnotists! (LeCron, 1952.p.16)

Even primitive cultures noted the uses of hypnosis. It was no secret that hypnotic states aided in memory recall, and acted as an anesthetic and analgesic, as well as a way of expanding mental awareness. 'It has been claimed that strange telepathic powers could be evoked under hypnosis' (Wolfberg 1945.p.52)

In the 1700's when Franz Anton Mesmer was conducting his therapeudic sessions dealing with trance states, he called it animal magnetism. One patient of Mesmer's while under hypnosis, not only saw his lost pet dog, but actually gave specific instructions enabling a third party to locate and retrieve the animal for it's owner based on the instructions given in trance. (LeCron, 1952.p.362).

LeCron, Leslie M. (1952). the McMillan Company New York.Experimental Hypnosis
Wolberg, Lewis Rober. (1945). Grune & Stratton, New YorkHypnoanalysis.

What matters most is not what the people in the audience believe, but if the sick person returns to good health.

It is my guess that the presence of an audience can be used by the healer to access energy, to open the interdimensional gate, and thus use their collective consciousness.
I’m sure every case is different, and different spirits appear to do the healing work.

[ndroock1]

I have witnessed a similar event. In the 1998 Jonathan Creek Christmas Special "Black Canary". ( This episode is an eye-opener to 'how it is done' ). - Sorry Bill, I don't recognize you any more. Either your account has been hacked, or your critical thinking skills are seriously compromised.

[Bubu]

I have direct experiences with psychic healing with my children growing up. Psychic healing is still very much alive and real here in our place. Although I dont here of a shaman performing psychic surgery to where I live now. From where I grow up yes plenty. Some of these psychic healers are so popular that if it happens that some of you seek treatment from them. Please bring a comfortable chair and something to make you comfortable because its guaranteed that you will wait hours for your turn.

[Chris Gilbert]

Will copy the reference when I get the chance, but one thing to consider is that a person can have some degree of healing ability (enough to at least stimulate the nervous system to release endorphins), combined with hypnotic skill that creates illusions, making their abilities seem greater than what they really are. In the context of Medical Qigong that I study in, the effect is described as overshadowing someone's Shen, and is analogous to the Indian fakirs who made people think they saw ropes suspended in midair.

[The Moss Trooper]

I've posted this tale a while back, and in detail, but a quick re-cap:

A friend of mine fell 70ft or so down a granite cliff. He managed to make it to my house early on a Sunday morning, I thought he'd been hit by a car when I saw him....... A right mess. Refused my instance to drive him to hospital, excepted offer of a hot honey and lemon drink (maybe a little whiskey in there), and took himself off.

Fast-forward 10 days, 14 days max. Little light bruising but all cuts, swelling, etc, all gone. Amazed, I asked, "what the f***..........."

He says, "I envisage an army of little people inside my body. I call them to gather and instruct on where to attend and what to fix......... Smoke a joint, get in the zone and send them off on their mission".

Honestly, it was the greatest healing transformation I've ever seen, from then 'til now. If you could've seen the state of him and his body and the difference such a short time later, It was unbelievable.

Made a believer outta me.

[Bill Ryan]

Sorry Bill, I don't recognize you any more. Either your account has been hacked, or your critical thinking skills are seriously compromised.

No need to apologize! :) I'm assuming you're wondering about my critical thinking skills on this thread because I reported a friend's interesting story in my post #16 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107608-Psychic-Surgery-it-s-real-and-it-works&p=1300586&viewfull=1#post1300586).

But I don't know that person as well as I know Billy, whose personal experience started the thread. If he says it happened, it happened. :)

A couple of recommendations:


Read Michael Talbot's Holographic Universe. It's in the library, here (http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Michael%20Talbot%20-%20The%20Holographic%20Universe%20(pdf%20version%202).pdf):

Michael Talbot - The Holographic Universe
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Michael%20Talbot%20-%20The%20Holographic%20Universe%20(pdf%20version%202).pdf





Read this thread, full of very remarkable experiences reported by Avalon members:
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105066-EXPERIENCERS-Sharing-Exploring-and-Learning-Together)

EXPERIENCERS: Sharing, Exploring, and Learning Together (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105066-EXPERIENCERS-Sharing-Exploring-and-Learning-Together)





Read this thread, which (in my opinion) is also fascinating.
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64028-Exceptional-psychic-abilities-in-exceptional-people)

Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64028-Exceptional-psychic-abilities-in-exceptional-people)



I really do understand and respect skepticism. It's valuable, because skeptics ask questions that require answers. And questions and anwers are often extremely useful. But skeptics also need to be open to considering new data.

In my opinion (and I've personally witnessed a number of inexplicable events, including one person who 100% impossibly grew 2.5 inches in height overnight at age 26 — I measured her :) ), the body may not really be a physical object in the exact sense that we understand, like stones and rocks and sand.

There may be something else going on, related to consciousness and whatever life is, that bears close examination with a really out-of-the-box view.

[conk]

prc, yes, not all are the real deal, but just the fact that SOME ARE should provide a very clear message that the world is FULL of "magic" that science has simply not caught up with!


Maybe it's real sometimes but when they can't pull it off, they fake it. That's what Uri Geller supposedly did.

Understandable. And this is what James Randi relies on with his million dollar challenge, when he tries to disprove psychics. He deliberately disturbs the state of mind of the person, until they lose it, and they all fail the test in the end, even though they have produced a much higher success rate until then than mere chance would allow.Skeptics like Randi are the lowest of the low. How can a person have such a closed mind in an infinite universe? An infinite universe contains the potential for infinite possibilities!

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This is a short video by Gregg Braden and his experience with Chinese energy healers. The tumor can be seen disappearing on the ultrasound machine.

[Strat]

Skeptics like Randi are the lowest of the low.

What do you mean by this? Surely you don't mean morals?

[DeeMetrios]

I believe psychic surgery works , but does not assist all , especially the skeptics & unbelievers .
Had it twice , in June 2012 in Brazil & during October in 2014 in the Philipinnes .
Brazil was (( etheric ?)) no hands were used ,
Philipinnes was on the table , hands on .
Healers are everywhere on every continent & the ability is also within us .
Keeping it all very brief .
cheers

[chris_walker]

prc, yes, not all are the real deal, but just the fact that SOME ARE should provide a very clear message that the world is FULL of "magic" that science has simply not caught up with!


Maybe it's real sometimes but when they can't pull it off, they fake it. That's what Uri Geller supposedly did.

Understandable. And this is what James Randi relies on with his million dollar challenge, when he tries to disprove psychics. He deliberately disturbs the state of mind of the person, until they lose it, and they all fail the test in the end, even though they have produced a much higher success rate until then than mere chance would allow.I believe Randi also tries to replicate the manifestations of the alleged psychic using his skill as a magician and says "there I did it too through vaudeville magic and therefore you are not psychic but a sleight of hand person as I am". So you really can't win this challenge not matter how good a psychic you are.

[Seventeen]

PACHITA was a known healer from Mexico. Several credible people in the paranormal field underwent surgery from her
( Andrija Puharich, Don Elkins, Carla Ruekert, and several others) They all swear it was legit. She has since passed but apparently the gift was passed on to her son

[amor]

Thank you for that story Bill. I forgot to mention that I was more than two thousand miles away from my foster grandmother and had not communicated with her in some time. What are we?

[conk]

Skeptics like Randi are the lowest of the low.

What do you mean by this? Surely you don't mean morals?Not necessarily morals. They want to stifle exploration and learning. It's like they think we've learned all there is to learn. We have enough of that in the world. Skeptics are a hindrance to advancement of our culture and understanding of the extraordinary topics begging for investigation. Such shallow thinking.

[Ti]

Skeptics like Randi are the lowest of the low.

What do you mean by this? Surely you don't mean morals?Not necessarily morals. They want to stifle exploration and learning. It's like they think we've learned all there is to learn. We have enough of that in the world. Skeptics are a hindrance to advancement of our culture and understanding of the extraordinary topics begging for investigation. Such shallow thinking.
I feel completely the opposite, that if no one ever stops to say, "hey, does this actually work? Maybe there's a better idea" the advancement of our culture will stop. True, skepticism can be an enormous roadblock to someone accepting knowledge needed to progress! It also serves as an excellent protective measure to prevent one from being scammed or drawn in by cult leaders, though. Not everyone's motives are good, and that's why skepticism is a necessary evil.

I tend to launch myself into life with an attitude of "yes, and", so I get your angle. Skepticism is frustrating. It's always paired with something else when it becomes truly hindersome though–the fear of change. It can be applied with wisdom to better direct your ship, though. Not everything should be given a resounding, "yes, and!" Synchronicity tends to bring me an enormous amount of things that deserve a hearty "yes, yes, what next" and skepticism could prevent that from launching itself forward. But I don't think the skepticism that rears its head when someone knocks on the door with a child sponsorship to sell me is misplaced. In fact, I know it's not–one of my friends ended up working for a company that turned out to be a donation soliciting scam!

Now I agree people who think we've learned all there is to learn are frustrating, I just also think it's good to ask questions and poke holes in things before leaping in. The reality is there are scammers in these fields, as well as incredible miracles. I've seen a few things myself. Not full blown psychic surgery, but healings of miraculous origin. I just always try to remember there's reasons why people are skeptical on reports of things which are undoubtably possible from my perspective. It just means there's more work to be done to validate the field of healing via the mind.

Skeptics are an opportunity for you to pre-emptively strengthen your case when talking to people in the real world by knowing what questions people will ask about subjects. This gives you the opportunity to think about how you would rebut a skeptical person's claims, thus you'll be prepared when you have actual conversations. So their opinions can be valuable for giving you the narratives you might encounter. There's layers of reasoning that build up their fears, and they're just a figurehead for a view that inevitably penetrates further into society. So I find it a great thing when I can come to understand the view of someone who holds an opposing view to me. This enormously broadens my ability to connect and empathize with real views I stumble into in conversations.

I suppose the difference between good skepticism and bad skepticism, from my point of view, is a good skeptic will say, "I dunno, I need more data, there could be a better way and I don't know if this is safe yet, so let me do some research and I'll get back to you" and a bad skeptic will say, "I don't know, so let's just stick with what we have now because it works, why would we deviate from what works, there's no point in looking in any further because we know this works well enough for us now." It's okay to not be sure about a subject that's unfamiliar, and I think a lot of people lodge themselves in a sense of dubiousness leading to a block of fear rather than curiosity and a zest for further knowledge leading to excitement in the pursuit of knowledge.

Have a good one.

[Clarity]

prc, yes, not all are the real deal, but just the fact that SOME ARE should provide a very clear message that the world is FULL of "magic" that science has simply not caught up with!

Just because it works does not necessarily mean it comes from the light.

John of God (arguably the most famous psychic healer) was one sick, evil dude - yet he was able to 'heal'.

I know a two people who traveled all the way from NZ to Brazil - they had the strangest vibe around them on their returned.

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[TomKat]

prc, yes, not all are the real deal, but just the fact that SOME ARE should provide a very clear message that the world is FULL of "magic" that science has simply not caught up with!

Just because it works does not necessarily mean it comes from the light.

John of God (arguably the most famous psychic healer) was one sick, evil dude - yet he was able to 'heal'.

I know a two people who traveled all the way from NZ to Brazil - they had the strangest vibe around them on their returned.

what were they healed of and what was their vibe like?

[Lunesoleil]

His name is Alex Orbito. He is resident in the Philippines and travels to a few places twice a year, Holland being one of the countries he visits.

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thanks for the discovery

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[DeeMetrios]

i have read that parts of the Philipinnes were around when Lemuria was a continent & thus the healing energy still exists , via re-incarnation or other means .. i would have returned there again this year but with travel restrictions solidly grounded now it looks very distant .

[Lunesoleil]

i have read that parts of the Philipinnes were around when Lemuria was a continent & thus the healing energy still exists , via re-incarnation or other means ..

In the book The Universe of Egar Cayce by author Dorothée Koechlin de Bizemont, not sure if it has been translated into English, there is a chapter on Lemuria and another very interesting reflection by the author on a contradictory quote on "We do not stop progress" because our civilization has suffered for thousands of years the annihilation of civilization for having gone too far with new technologies. We are starting to talk about transhumanism and a deadline by 2030 ...

Which means we take the same ones and start over to make the same mistakes as the previous civilizations ???

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[amor]

In light of my thoughts on "God said, Let there be Light..." This, to me, is a direct acknowledgement that the world and all its creations are MIND. Apparently, using the agency of LOVE, some people have been able to change the hypnotic perception that our world is limited to materiality/space/time. This, when in fact, we are informed by the Bible that the world is not that, but a mental construct initially created by God, the over-soul or AI (depending on how you wish to view it). The extrapolation of this is that we are creating our own environment. However, the circumstances we find in the world surrounding us appear to be beyond our ability to change. Believing that we can may be the hardest thing to accomplish, mainly due to our unfortunate experiences due to brain washing.

Suppose that we could bring into existence every passing horror that enters our mind. The world would be even more unfortunate and perhaps cease to exist. Possibly, therefore, the difficulties we experience in this realm are for our own good and give us an opportunity to learn self control and responsibility.

[Szymon]

PACHITA was a known healer from Mexico. Several credible people in the paranormal field underwent surgery from her
( Andrija Puharich, Don Elkins, Carla Ruekert, and several others) They all swear it was legit. She has since passed but apparently, the gift was passed on to her son

I researched Andrija Puharich's material. He was one interesting man. Before Pachita, Andrija studied Arigo. He went and saw Arigo in action with his team of scientists/doctors. He followed up on a number of cases and each of them was healed.

Later when Arigo died, he found Pachita with very similar healing abilities.

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Below is one of his forgotten lectures. Absolute gold material. I've located the time stamp where he starts talking about Arigo and later about Pachita.

https://youtu.be/V7K1towNSRM?t=1028

if you have the time, I recommend watching all his videos, mind-blowing stuff.

Enjoy Friends,

Cheers,
Szymon

[Szymon]

Here is an interesting one.

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Reminds me of the story of Duncan O'Finioan and what he did as a kid.

Cheers,
Szymon

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Enjoy Friends,

Cheers,
Szymon

Arigo vid is hilarious at the “Laying on of Hands” segment (4:05-4:22/7:42), where he slaps that woman hard on her head a few times. She was not expecting that.

The following clips, the segment about eye ‘treatment’, is just plain disturbing.

I think acts like this are bogus, and work to compartmentalize many from understanding that the power to heal is innate to us all. Like those horrible rich preachers that have honed their showmanship. I don’t think all of them know what their ego is doing, let’s say they really believe in their powers and mission, but it makes no difference. Once you understand how you can be bumped to action in thought/word/deed, by an energy-bump that comes into your decision making process from seemingly your own values, and you have wrestled with those, you can get what’s going on with these acts.