CIA Senior Medical Officer Kit Green claims Alien Autopsy Footage is Real

[Mike Gorman]

The famous Roswell Autopsy video, which was admitted as being 'fake' by its creator has been claimed to be real after all.

I have zero knowledge of this, but it is interesting, here is the article from:

Roswell Autopsy (https://www.ibtimes.com/cia-scientist-admits-fake-roswell-alien-autopsy-video-real-leaked-memo-2804703?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral)

[Intranuclear]

So I downloaded the video and I saw something unexpected. At time 10:29, after they removed the black film covering the alien's eyes, the eyes blinked!
Was that some autonomic reaction?
The poor quality of the video, bad focusing, constant motion, bad cameraman-ship makes one wonder what monkey was shooting the film, but I did not expect the eyes to blink.

---edited---

As Nick pointed out, if watched frame by frame (if using VLC use the "e" hotkey) the blink is a video artifact/effect.

[Did You See Them]

Just came across this today - wont make a thread about it so will drop it here if you don't mind.

Fox News Editor leak about Tucker/Trump UFO interview

https://i.redd.it/zj4rl4iifh831.jpg

EDIT: Note that the source is an anonymous poster on 4chan, so there's a very high chance this is a prank.

[Nick Matkin]

If Trump had been asked a simple question: "Are aliens visiting Earth?" and he said "Yes", that's a story. But from the extract above, "maybe" and "we will have to wait and see", while not completely dismissive, are hardly a resounding endorsement.

Hopefully the full interview when watched in full will be more revealing.

[Nick Matkin]

So I downloaded the video and I saw something unexpected. At time 10:29, after they removed the black film covering the alien's eyes, the eyes blinked!
Was that some autonomic reaction?
The poor quality of the video, bad focusing, constant motion, bad cameraman-ship makes one wonder what monkey was shooting the film, but I did not expect the eyes to blink.

If you watch the video at quarter speed you can see the 'blink' is a digital glitch one frame in duration stretching a few lines across the screen right at eye level. Maybe there are others. Maybe it was added deliberately.

Anyway, I thought 'experts' had already dismissed the procedure as not what would be expected when dissecting a possible alien in a military establishment?

Nevertheless, another twist to the whole subject. (Will the Roswell Slides be the next to be announced as genuine, and the SmartDeblur image processing making the the museum placards legible was all part of the cover-up?)

[Intranuclear]

So I downloaded the video and I saw something unexpected. At time 10:29, after they removed the black film covering the alien's eyes, the eyes blinked!
Was that some autonomic reaction?
The poor quality of the video, bad focusing, constant motion, bad cameraman-ship makes one wonder what monkey was shooting the film, but I did not expect the eyes to blink.

If you watch the video at quarter speed you can see the 'blink' is a digital glitch one frame in duration stretching a few lines across the screen right at eye level. Maybe there are others. Maybe it was added deliberately.

Anyway, I thought 'experts' had already dismissed the procedure as not what would be expected when dissecting a possible alien in a military establishment?

Nevertheless, another twist to the whole subject. (Will the Roswell Slides be the next to be announced as genuine, and the SmartDeblur image processing making the the museum placards legible was all part of the cover-up?)

You are absolutely correct. Frame by frame shows that whole area deinterlacing (not sure if the proper term).

[section9]

If Trump had been asked a simple question: "Are aliens visiting Earth?" and he said "Yes", that's a story. But from the extract above, "maybe" and "we will have to wait and see", while not completely dismissive, are hardly a resounding endorsement.

Hopefully the full interview when watched in full will be more revealing.

I would take this post on /pol with a Mountain of Salt.

If they’re going to disclose, TPTB will most likely follow the Dolan Rule (after Richard Dolan, of course). You roll it out in a Page One Column Right spread in the Times using Atomic Bombing type with explanatory columns by all of your Operation Mockingbird employees at the NYT, followed by an Oval Office address to the world.

You don’t use Tucker, for God’s sake.

[Did You See Them]

True - but if they were about to announce something then he couldn't blatently lie at this stage so perhaps why a "Maybe" answer was given - that is if there is anything to it in the first place !

We wait and see.

In the meantime I don't want this to distract from the point of this thread which after all is well worthy of discussion

[Bill Ryan]

See this older thread, as well:


New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47598-New-evidence-on-The-Alien-Autopsy-film.)

[Bill Ryan]

Do listen to Richard Dolan discussing this, starting at 24:40 in this fascinating 30 June 2019 Coast to Coast AM segment:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20the%20Admiral%20Wilson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019)%20Hour%203%2C%20Richard%20Dolan.mp3

[AutumnW]

That film looked fake to me. Also were hand held movie cameras used in that era? The creature's legs looked completely human. Intuitively it struck me as false.

[Bill Ryan]

That film looked fake to me. Also were hand held movie cameras used in that era? The creature's legs looked completely human. Intuitively it struck me as false.I had an e-mail exchange back in 2007-8 with a researcher who'd had a long phone conversation (maybe more than one: I'd have to look it up) with the autopsy cameraman, whose name was Jack, at that time living in Florida in retirement.

Jack was then very elderly, and has since passed. He'd had a slightly disabled leg, and his limp can be seen from the camera movements.

I was persuaded from that exchange, and all the details provided, that the original film (and the autopsy itself) was real. I still hold that view. Ray Santilli himself has said many times that what he produced was an enhanced version of the original, decayed film — which he maintains he still has in his possession.

[AutumnW]

Hi Bill,

My husband and I had a few arguments about this film when it was first made public. He said that intuition may not be the best tool to assess this film. As intuition draws on the sum total of our emotional and mental inputs, a truly novel experience without clear precedents may best be appraised from a detached hyper-logical perspective.

Your experience with this story is compelling and I may have to change my mind now! There's a first. :highfive: I will listen to Richard Dolan's take on it too.

[Intranuclear]

When I first saw this in 1995, I was devastated. I had for many years telling all my friends and relatives about UFOs and thought this was it, finally, proof.
The level of incompetency in shooting such a monumentally important footage and bungling it so badly would absolutely guarantee that no one could take it seriously even if absolutely real.
What was the motivation for bungling something so incredibly important?
I have seen countless footage from the 30's of so much higher quality.
Were alien autopsies so common that they were getting highly incompetent people to do the job.
Where were the ice bags to preserve the taken out parts?
Where were the close ups (special cameras used in autopsies to document how everything looked before the cuts)?
So even if real, nothing about it makes sense.

[Bluewool]

That film looked fake to me. Also were hand held movie cameras used in that era? The creature's legs looked completely human. Intuitively it struck me as false.I had an e-mail exchange back in 2007-8 with a researcher who'd had a long phone conversation (maybe more than one: I'd have to look it up) with the autopsy cameraman, whose name was Jack, at that time living in Florida in retirement.

Jack was then very elderly, and has since passed. He'd had a slightly disabled leg, and his limp can be seen from the camera movements.

I was persuaded from that exchange, and all the details provided, that the original film (and the autopsy itself) was real. I still hold that view. Ray Santilli himself has said many times that what he produced was an enhanced version of the original, decayed film — which he maintains he still has in his possession.


Hi Bill, I met you at the UFOMEGACON in Laughlin back in March very briefly where I discussed the alien autopsy with you.
If you could find out who that researcher was back in 2007-8 I would be most interested.
Also Ed Gehrman confirmed yesterday that his brother (who sadly died 3 years ago) did take you and Kerry to the crash site.
I was wondering if you have any footage from that or a write up of it anywhere?
I have recently done a couple of videos with Kerry Cassidy, the first of which was at the end of May before the Kit Green leak.We experienced some interference and were taken off air.Also the video was eventually taken down because of a copyright claim by the man who says he hoaxed it.Its a long story as is my talk and part 2 filmed recently with Kerry.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=em-uploademail&v=gw0libnLlAA

It’s such a long and complicated saga I could be here for hours discussing it.
I’ve also talked recently to Richard Dolan,Linda Moulton Howe and Grant Cameron.
There is much more to come regarding the AA saga!
I have a public group that I’ve been running on Facebook since 2015 that you might want to check out.I also have the Betacam quality video of the footage (referenced in the Kit Green exchanges) and you can find many stills from this footage in my group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1608597292719870/?ref=share

If anyone has a question regarding the AA I will try and answer it, it’s been quite a while since I posted here.

Edit to add that I have just found a previous reply where you say it was Ed Gehrman who you spoke to in 2006/7

BR: Thanks, and most interesting. Yes, I have all my detailed correspondence with Ed Gehrman — though I never met him in person. (As you mentioned, Kerry and I did spend a more-than-fascinating day with his brother in New Mexico, a quite different story not fully told, where he took us to the little-known Nogal Canyon crash site and we filmed some trees that had been burned from above.)

Ed is the person who had in turn talked on the phone and corresponded with Jack, the autopsy cameraman, who lived at that time in Florida (passed now). Ed was 100% convinced the [original, unedited] autopsy film was real.

[Bill Ryan]

BR: (posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3707-Possible-original-photo-of-the-Roswell-craft&p=33116&viewfull=1#post33116)) Thanks, and most interesting. Yes, I have all my detailed correspondence with Ed Gehrman — though I never met him in person. (As you mentioned, Kerry and I did spend a more-than-fascinating day with his brother in New Mexico, a quite different story not fully told, where he took us to the little-known Nogal Canyon crash site and we filmed some trees that had been burned from above.)

Ed is the person who had in turn talked on the phone and corresponded with Jack, the autopsy cameraman, who lived at that time in Florida (passed now). Ed was 100% convinced the [original, unedited] autopsy film was real.

Yes, it was Ed Gehrman. Really interesting stuff.




It’s such a long and complicated saga I could be here for hours discussing it.

I'd really love you to share as much as you can. :thumbsup:

(Many here, including myself, don't do Facebook. So anything you could copy over might be really appreciated.)

[Ratszinger]

BR: (posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3707-Possible-original-photo-of-the-Roswell-craft&p=33116&viewfull=1#post33116)) Thanks, and most interesting. Yes, I have all my detailed correspondence with Ed Gehrman — though I never met him in person. (As you mentioned, Kerry and I did spend a more-than-fascinating day with his brother in New Mexico, a quite different story not fully told, where he took us to the little-known Nogal Canyon crash site and we filmed some trees that had been burned from above.)

Ed is the person who had in turn talked on the phone and corresponded with Jack, the autopsy cameraman, who lived at that time in Florida (passed now). Ed was 100% convinced the [original, unedited] autopsy film was real.

Yes, it was Ed Gehrman. Really interesting stuff.




It’s such a long and complicated saga I could be here for hours discussing it.

I'd really love you to share as much as you can. :thumbsup:

(Many here, including myself, don't do Facebook. So anything you could copy over might be really appreciated.)

I second that motion to share as much as possible!

[Gracy]

Hi Bill. Do you have any experience with Kit Green for any added insight into this odd circumstance?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill. Do you have any experience with Kit Green for any added insight into this odd circumstance?I ever knew him well, but back in 2006 we exchanged a lot of e-mails, and I spent one whole day with him. (Hal Puthoff was there, too.)

He knows a LOT. He's very sharp and bright, and (in my opinion) isn't nearly as pleasant a person as Hal. As a senior CIA medical officer, he's quite likely to have been briefed on the real alien autopsy — assuming there was just one! :) — and it certainly seems to me that the leaked e-mails are real.

In fact. Kit hasn't denied that. What he has just recently said, when questioned, is that he was 'misinformed' about the autopsy, which I profoundly doubt.

[Bill Ryan]

In the Avalon Library — quite a resource here:


Alien Autopsy cleaned images and video

http://avalonlibrary.net/Alien_Autopsy_cleaned_images_and_video/


LIBRARIAN NOTE: Oct 20, 2019
The link - above - has been edited to direct straight to a bespoke folder where the following files may be viewed:

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[HaveBlue]

Of course anyone would handle alien material with their bare hands! Someone at the CIA says it is true though! Well then it must be because the CIA are completely trustworthy.

Now about those bridges and Eifel Towers I have for sale. Today only. Don't miss out. They are selling very fast due to huge demand.

[Ratszinger]

Of course anyone would handle alien material with their bare hands! Someone at the CIA says it is true though! Well then it must be because the CIA are completely trustworthy.

Now about those bridges and Eifel Towers I have for sale. Today only. Don't miss out. They are selling very fast due to huge demand.

When I was in the dental corp in the early 80's the Air Force had not even started using latex gloves when treating dental patients. Infection control was not what it is today. Today everything is stepped up precaution from then. No one even knew or heard about latex allergies in the dental corp. in the AF in 1980 the supply officers were not even ordering that product yet so anyone that went in for full mouth x-rays or other dental treatment back then was usually treated with bare hands. Believe it or not that is how we did it in the 70s and early 80's and then circa around 81 rubber gloves began showing up. By 84 vinyl gloves were also in there due to so many latex allergies and so it went. Its quite real infection control in the film concurrent with the times from what I see.
There are documents of NAZI pilots being children with progeria disease https://www.bing.com/search?q=progeria+disease&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN and these children were volunteers dying anyway from the disease. The ships emitted a high energy microwave energy that killed the pilots. I have always felt that this was one of those children until I saw other clips that were not in the one I first viewed and in that this subject on the table had six fingers on each hand. I did a WTF at that point!

[diteras]

Below is the public available document published by Richard Dolan today -with thanks to Richard who has worked hard on this item for a number of weeks - enjoy

https://richarddolanmembers.com/free-content/dr-kit-green-on-the-record/


Dr. Kit Green, On the Record
By Richard Dolan
August 24, 2019



Intro: The Wilson Document Leak
In early June 2019, two very interesting and controversial documents were leaked to the UFO community which have caused some commotion. I don’t think this commotion is going to stop any time soon.

I have already spoken and written at some length regarding one of these documents – called by some the “Core Secrets Document” and more often what I simply call the Wilson Document, or Wilson Memo. In my view, this 15-page document ranks as the ufological leak of the century so far. It’s an extended close transcription written by Dr. Eric Davis of the National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS) in October 2002, and concerns a conversation he had with Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson (ret.) at an undisclosed location regarding Wilson’s knowledge of a deeply classified program to reverse engineer non-human (alien) technology while Wilson served as Deputy Chief of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1997.

Just as significantly, the notes described Wilson’s distress over being denied access to this program once he learned about it, despite his assumption that through his position he had legal oversight over this program. The team that denied him access were private employees of the contracting firm, not U.S. government personnel, although they had the backing ultimately of the Director of Special Projects for the Office for the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology (OUSDAT). This is where apparently much (if not most or all) of U.S. special access programs (SAP) are contained within the bureaucracy of the Department of Defense. Even so, it appeared to Wilson that the entire program was dominated by the contracting firm, and U.S. government personnel seemed mostly irrelevant, as far as he could tell.

Most UFO researchers who have studied this memo can easily see that it is authentic. The information contained within is fully amenable to examination, and increasingly we are seeing researchers delving into the minutia of what it contains to find that the information checks out.

Even the “no comments” about the document are noteworthy. Although neither Davis nor any of his colleagues have elected to authenticate the Wilson Document (it is after all an extremely delicate matter for them professionally), the “no comments” are practically offered as explanations, almost as apologies. Dr. Hal Puthoff, who for many years has been closely associated with Davis, graciously wrote this to me on June 12:

“With regard to authenticity, we have no comment on the documents recently being circulated. As some of us still retain USG security clearances and remain bound by the secrecy oaths we have taken, we believe it is in the best interest of the USG and ourselves not to comment on any documents that purport to describe classified USG programs or information.”

For myself, I’ve never had a doubt about the document. As I have said from the beginning – indeed from long before this all came out – I was shown two of the pages of this document back in 2006. I never forgot the statement by Wilson that this was technology “not made by man, not by human hands.”

I’ve also discussed the matter a number of times over the years (something covered very well in a piece by Guiliano Marinkovic). It turns out that I wasn’t the only one to talk about the contents of those notes. Former astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell did, as did UFO researcher Dr. Steven Greer and several others.

It quickly became apparent that the leak of this document occurred as a result of the death of Edgar Mitchell in 2017. I don’t know the full story of how some of his documents got into other hands, but I did interview James Rigney of Australia about this. James is second-in-line to the source of the documents. He knows who has them and is keeping that person’s identity private. I have been made to understand, however, that the acquisition of these papers occurred legally and above-board. I was also made to understand that this was a private initiative, not something orchestrated by any intelligence community. In other words, it wasn’t an ‘op.’

There has been much more to say about all this, by myself and other researchers, so we can leave the Wilson Memo at that for now. A few die-hard skeptics maintain it’s all a hoax. Let them howl into the wind. The world is moving on.

The Alien Autopsy Email Leak
But the main subject of this article isn’t the Wilson Memo, fascinating though that is. Rather, it’s the other major document to leak from the papers of Edgar Mitchell. (There is a third leak, which was publicized by researcher Grant Cameron on his Facebook page, of a 1996 letter by NIDS founder Robert Bigelow to Mitchell, in advance of a NIDS board meeting).

This other leak is a series of exchanges from early 2001 and totals eleven pages. The main subject of this exchange concerns the infamous “alien autopsy” film of 1995 by Ray Santilli. This leak actually made it out to the world just before the Wilson Memo and was quickly overshadowed by it. But it’s interesting, for sure. I wrote about it almost immediately.

For those who need catching up, the Santilli film was featured on Fox television in 1995 and became an international sensation. Within a short period of time, the consensus of most UFO researchers was that it was a hoax. But in early 2001, a group of distinguished scientists associated with NIDS were discussing the Santilli film among themselves, quietly, not for outside discussion. Now, it’s interesting that even this late (2001) there was a genuine discussion among these individuals about the possible reality of the film.

It’s even more interesting that the person who was being asked to provide his professional opinion, Dr. Christopher (Kit) Green, stated point-blank in the emails that the alien being in the video was “real” and not human. Kit Green was a CIA intelligence officer, and one of the most qualified medical professionals you will find anywhere. His areas of expertise in connection with the biological sciences are broad and deep. He also has had a longstanding interest in and connection to the UFO subject in various ways over a distinguished career. So when you read that statement in the emails, it’s something that can give most people at least some pause.

But all of the above can ultimately be chalked off to just someone’s opinion, no matter how educated or intelligent that person may be. What got my attention was something else that came up in the emails: that Green had several briefings on the subject of UFOs, and on one occasion (described as taking place in “1987/88”), he was shown alien autopsy reports and still images. In the email, he stated that the images he was shown in his briefing were “consistent” with the being depicted in the Santilli film. Elsewhere in the email exchange, he went so far as to say it was the same being.

Obviously, that complicates matters a bit. None of this proves that the Santilli film or the alien being depicted in it is “real.” But if Kit Green was indeed shown images that were consistent with what Ray Santilli created seven or eight years later, then we have an interesting situation. We might ask, if it’s a fake, was Santilli or his associates working with the intelligence community somehow? Or is there some level of reality to what’s depicted in that film after all?

Contacting Kit Green
Immediately, I wrote to Kit Green. I would describe our relationship up to that point as cordial but not close. We had spoken to each other from time to time over the years. He’s always worth listening to. My exchange with him is listed in the article I wrote on June 6.

Long story short, he told me that (a) he does not believe the being in the Santilli film is an alien and hasn’t believed that for a long time, and (b) that he believes he was hoaxed by the Pentagon in that briefing from the 1980s.

While I wasn’t inclined to debate Kit Green, his explanation struck me as weak, and I said so. Part of this article provides his more detailed explanation.

Meanwhile, there are individuals connected to ufology who treat these questions the way theologians treat heresy. Some have gone so far as to say the email thread itself is fake, which you would think to be a laughably embarrassing position to take, except that these people don’t seem to be embarrassed. Other critics, like Philip Mantle, are more substantive. Mantle has done a great deal of writing about the Santilli film, and has laid out the case that it is fake from beginning to end. He has contended that since the whole film was made up by Santilli and his partner Spyros Melaris in 1995, Green could not possibly have seen what he claimed to have seen. Philip told me this early on in a private email.

Fine, but I was more interested in what Kit Green had to say. Kit and I arranged for an interview in mid-July, just before I did some extended travel. It seems he and I both had a misconception about what would happen. He believed we were having a preliminary interview only, after which we would do our formal, proper one. I had the idea, especially since our conversation was so engaging, that this was the one interview, and moreover that I would be permitted to release a transcript. In fact, much of what he said turned out to be off the record, so we worked it out. The result is this article, which discusses everything he wanted on the record, which turns out to be most of what we discussed anyway.

I should add here that although I gave him the chance to correct any errors of fact or misunderstanding, Kit insisted he would not request any final editing for substantive changes whatsoever. And he did not.

Confirming Authenticity
My first question had to do with the authenticity of the email leak.

RD: Actually the question I want to ask is [about] the eleven-page email that I sent you, which is the one that has been leaked. It’s dated March 21, 2001. Do you consider that to be a genuine email? Is that something that rings a bell with you? Is that authentic?

KG: Absolutely, it’s authentic. I can say that while I never actually saw that specific email, I saw the one that Eric [Davis] was describing as being the one he was modifying.

RD: This was the one from February.

KG: Correct. He probably also sent me that one [RD note, meaning the email from March 21, 2001]. The only thing I can tell you is, as far as what I am reported, what I am stated to have said, is one hundred percent true, and what is there as a cut and paste from a series of my emails, I remember completely as being email [unclear] of what I said.

This should settle any continuing discussion on at least this aspect of the matter. The email is authentic and yes, there was obviously cutting and pasting, presumably after the fact by Davis or Mitchell.

The Pentagon Briefing
Now on to matters of substance within the 2001 email thread itself. Within it, Kit Green is quoted as saying (Davis’s words but accurate according to Green):

“The Alien Autopsy film/video is real, the alien cadaver is real, and the cadaver seen in the film/video is the same as the photos Kit saw at the Pentagon during briefing #2 [1987/1988].”

And again in the emails, this time in response to a question by NIDS scientist Dr. Colm Kelleher:

Colm:

(2) Can you relate the Santilli videotake in detail to the autopsy reports that you viewed (via your briefings and reports) as being the same or similar creature?

Kit:

SAME

And finally this exchange between Davis and Green:

From Eric –

… did you come to a final conclusion or opinion on whether or not the body was fake or real? You say below “the video is real”, so is that your indirect answer to this question …?

Kit:

ASKED AND ANSWERED. WHAT CAN BE MORE DIRECT THAN ‘THE VIDEO IS REAL’ …

Incidentally, I asked Kit Green if he could pin down the date of that briefing. His answer remains no, although he has it in his archives. “I’ve not gone back and looked at them to try to pin down whether it was 87 or 88.”

In any case, that’s the fundamental background. Readers are encouraged to read through the complete exchange at length.

But Green’s perspective today is not the same as it was in 2001. Green now openly states his earlier assessment of the Santilli creature was wrong. “I assumed it was alien,” he said, “because earlier, I had been warranted [for thinking] in a briefing with a uniformed officer in the Pentagon that it was an alien.” He later “found out that was untrue. . . . I was totally positive it was an alien body then, twenty years ago, but I am positive now that it was not.”

The Dangling Carrot
Before getting into his reasons, it turns out even more background is in order.

Through the 1980s, when he was still a CIA intelligence officer, one of Green’s associates “was a recently retired, extremely senior general officer from the United States Air Force.” He also happened to be a senior physician. In the Air Force, this man’s area of work was as a liaison on the “classified manned space flight program.” After he left the Air Force he went into private industry under contract, “like they all do.” His classified work was in “an aspect of the space program.”

This indicates, quite literally, a secret space program, something that is no great surprise, even when considering solely conventional U.S. military strategies and perceived needs for operating in Earth orbit and beyond. Indeed, even the New York Times acknowledged the existence of a manned, classified space program that existed decades ago. Still, it’s an interesting statement.

In 1982, Green hired this person to be on a science board at the CIA with him. Within a year or two (“in 1983, 84”) this man said to Green that “the stories about alien incursions, recoveries, and information [are] true.” Moreover, he was going to get Green cleared for the relevant programs. One key reason apparently was the lack of physicians cleared for them. Green was excited about the prospect.

However, this man could not get Green cleared. He tried repeatedly. When Green resigned from CIA during the late 1980s, he was able to get cleared for “a couple of the programs,” including something that he said was a very sensitive subject, “but not the ones that had to do with UFOs or aliens or autopsies.”

Even during Green’s retirement from the CIA while with General Motors, his retired Air Force colleague continued telling him that he was working to get Green cleared “into the program that has to do with aliens and UFOs.” But it never happened, despite a few times when it seemed to Green that it might happen.

It was in this context that Green’s late-80s briefing in the Pentagon occurred. He was called in and somehow made to understand this was going to be The One. He entered a briefing room, which was a SCIF – Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. The security officer took his credentials, checked him through, and found that he was indeed approved for the briefing.

In Green’s words:

“An officer came in uniform, took me into the briefing room, sat me down, showed me the materials, showed me the pictures and said, “you will not get any further information today and there’s no video.”

I said, “I was told I was going to get to see a video.”

He said, “you are not.”

I said, “I was told I might be signing some additional paperwork.”

He said, “you will not.”

And I left. I thought what I’d seen was legitimate but not the full thing. Now, I think what I was shown was a hoax and not the real thing.”

Instead of a film, which he was expecting, Green was shown written autopsy reports of what he was led to believe concerned alien bodies, as well as glossy photos of what appeared to be an alien autopsy procedure of some sort.

Images are the Same
This is interesting enough on its own, but what makes this even more controversial is his continued assertion that “several shots” from the briefing did appear in the Santilli film from 1995. Remember, the Santilli film dates from 1995, seven or eight years later. Here is Green’s statement:

“Several, let me repeat, several shots from the pictures I was shown, then [later] appeared in the grainy Santilli film. Not the body. I never said it was the body. It was the face still. It was the shot of the subject. It was the shot of the wall. It was the shot of the table. It was the shot of a part of a foot. It was not the shot that I could say was the same body.”

This point is too important to ignore. Green insists the body was different. But the face apparently was the same, as well as other elements in the stills that he was shown.

It’s entirely possible for someone to argue that his memory of what he was shown is flawed. Perhaps what he saw was similar, not the same (although even this would be very interesting). But as far as Kit Green can remember from an event now over 30 years ago, parts of what later appeared in the Santilli film were shown to him in this Pentagon briefing from the late 1980s. This is what he maintained in the 2001 emails, and he maintains it now.

Even so, he believes that the Santilli film is a fake, and also that what he was shown in the Pentagon was a hoax. I asked him to elaborate on this. His fundamental answer was that over the years he has “put together innumerable pieces of data in which nothing I’ve ever been shown, or told about the program allegedly with aliens and autopsies, none of that body of information has turned out to be true.” Or that he could confirm.

I asked him if by saying this he was simply trying to protect himself from a renewed storm of controversy. I offered my opinion that it seemed unlikely that someone of his stature would be hoaxed in a Pentagon briefing, one that took place within a SCIF no less. And a risk, too, since his medical expertise is of the highest level, and since he has read and prepared countless autopsy reports. It seemed like a stretch that he would be hoaxed by the Pentagon in his briefing. And why, I wondered. Why would the Pentagon hoax him?

Other Alien Autopsy Videos
Before answering this, Kit Green had more revelations. He told me that he had in fact seen quite a few videos of purported alien autopsies, roughly a dozen. Other than the one he was shown at the Pentagon, all these others were brought to his home in Detroit, left in his mailbox or on his doorstep. These were various packages containing either VHS tapes or as time went by, CDs or DVDs. Green said that any video not accompanied by documentation was of no use to him, but some of the videos did have documentation. All this appears to have taken place during the 1980s and 1990s, although the specifics are not clear.

This is an extraordinary thing. One of the packages even arrived with a purported alien tissue sample.

KG: . . . as far as the tissue was concerned, there was one instance that to this day I have not been able to rationalize or reconcile. One of the packages of materials that I had delivered to my doorstep purported to be tissues from an autopsy of an alien at Area 51. It appeared to be [with] documents that were legitimate. But remember, they appeared on my doorstep in Detroit.

RD: No provenance.

KG: Some of the documents [pause] some of the documents actually appeared to be highly technical genetic analyses of neural tissue taken from one of the alleged aliens. And it was apparent that it was probably a biopsy or a necropsy sample of tissue. It was apparent because it was in the format in which laboratories liked that kind of material. And it was replete with descriptions of reverse transcriptase analyses purporting to show that the genetic fingerprints were alien. I took that material and presented it to a subgroup that I was chairing at the National Academy of Sciences. One of the people who was on my committee was the Chairman of the Department of Genetics and the Chairman of the Department of Molecular Biology at arguably one of the top five medical schools on the East Coast. I gave the material to that Chairperson. The Chairperson took four or five hours in such attention and analysis that the Chairman left the room of my committee hearings and came back four hours later and said “I regret to tell you what I think, Kit.” And did. And said the following: “This is a clever hoax. The person that wrote this did it with an intention to convince but [the] language sounds many times interspersed in the sentences as if somebody with a Master’s degree in genetics is pretending to be a geneticist at a post-doctoral level and is supplementing the phrases from Google. It is absolutely a hoax, but it is an intentional hoax in which this material has been transposed to fifteen pages, but I assure you it is garbage.” That was important to me because this person was a member of my National Academy of Sciences committee that I chaired. Okay?

RD: Yes.

KG: This individual was a physician M.D. who was board certified in internal medicine, and had a subspecialty certification in medical genetics, and a Ph.D. in Molecular Biology. And was the Chairman of, at that time, the largest genetics and molecular biology medical school department and arguably one of the top five medical schools on Earth. I also asked the individual to do the courtesy of without any bias showing it to some others in the department. That happened and subsequently the individual’s reference was confirmed. Now, since that time, I have worked on that document [pause] a lot. And there are some parts of that, that I just told you, that make no sense.

RD: Even as a hoax?

KG: I’m going to tell you what they are, and you’ll understand why they don’t make sense. Given what I just told you, I’ve never been able to let go of that document. Some of the words in the document referring to some of the techniques to do the reverse transcriptase subtests were not invented – yet. And I’ve got that document. They were invented fifteen years later. Just in the last five years. But the words, although they are buried within what the individuals I told you said were clever hoaxes using Google to buttress fancy sentence structures, so much so that the Chairman of the Department and colleagues couldn’t make any sense of it scientifically, once in a while the words were early. And my only conclusion – it’s my hypothesis, this is not a proof – my hypothesis is the hoax was developed at the top by the people who subsequently in the classified biological programs went on to patent the technologies six, seven, eight, ten years later. Now, my work has shown this theme consistently.

RD: I can’t understand the logic of hoaxing you to make you believe this was an alien material while they are also embedding future technology, future patents, in this document, and showing this to you. I don’t understand why there would be any logic to that. Makes no sense.

Green’s conclusion, albeit tentative, is that this was a “high-level non-government hoax utilizing means to drive financial connectivities on programs that are related.” That is the most definitive statement he made on this matter.

But then there is the Pentagon briefing. How to answer this as a hoax? His answer was, on one level, that he did not know precisely why. But he ascribes it to what is known as active measures.

“It’s a very classic intelligence operation,” he said.

“. . . The idea of doing this is not new and it’s not unusual. There’s a whole school of intelligence operations research which is built around the notion of taking the very best trained people you’ve got and convincing them of small things in an active measures program that are untrue. This is a huge area.”

He continued:

“In the active measures program in the agency [CIA] at one time, there were large numbers of people involved in this. There were hundreds. Okay? The idea of convincing some individual person of something that is incorrect is absolutely not unusual.”

Such programs incorporate CC&D (a phrase referenced in the emails). This stands for Camouflage, Concealment, and Deception. It is incredibly expensive, stated Green, and has been going on for many decades.

In my view, Green really didn’t (couldn’t?) explain why the classified Pentagon briefing within the SCIF was a hoax. But his reason for believing it was a hoax, in essentials, comes down to two factors.

First, nothing ever came of that briefing. There was no follow up, no additional information to confirm it.

Secondly, he states that within his areas of expertise connected to the biological sciences, he has not encountered evidence that any of what he was shown could not better be explained by advanced (and sometimes not so advanced) black budget operations and sufficient money.

I told him that my objection to his logic was that, if we were to accept the body of evidence from accounts of UFO crash retrieval and the myriad stories floating around of alien bodies, including those of alien autopsies (which existed long before Santilli’s film) why would not this be where Occam’s razor cut? Here is his response.

KG: Yep, I agree, I agree.

RD: If it’s real and they’re here …

KG: Yep. And that’s what some of my colleagues try to convince me. . . . But, you know, I agree with you. And I agree with you so much that up until ten years ago that’s where I was. . . . Okay now, fast forward to Jacques Vallee’s third and fourth versions of his rewritings of the people that he’s known in the Invisible College …

RD: Yes, in his Forbidden Science.

KG: His Forbidden Science. If you look at the Forbidden Science articles, the last book in particular, I’m a completely different person than I was in the second book. And after I saw that, and that basically brings us up to 1990. Or 1980-85. early 90s. I remember after I read it I called him and I said you’ve done me a great service because you’ve got 85 references to conversations with Kit, and anybody would read them would find that over thirty years, I’ve developed stronger [unclear] that I trust that we are dealing with imaginal information on the medical data. Abductions. Autopsies. Returned bodies. Tissues. Injury from radio frequency. Injury from teraherz. Injury from mixed radiation. Injury from [unclear]. Injury from soft radiation. Okay. I’m not saying anything about wormholes. I’m not saying anything about altered shifts of spacetime metrics and string theory. I’m not saying anything about that. I don’t have any credentials. I’m only talking about the stuff that has to do with the biology. I can replicate that [unclear] that it was all being produced in special access program biology efforts in 1978. in 1988. in 1998. in 2008. I don’t have to invent technologies to explain the technological results of these things.

RD: In biological sciences, everything you’ve seen …

KG: Biological and medical. And I’m including pathology. And I’m including microscopy.

RD: Yes. Okay. So what you’re saying is all of the biological evidence you have seen over these many years, none of it needs to be explainable in any way other than advanced human science and technology.

KG: And some of it occasionally not that advanced. And in the case of that fake document from that was dropped on my doorstep, information that today is the result of some patents from just the last five-seven years. These are more than a trail of breadcrumbs. This is a trail of many loaves of bread.

He added another element to the story. Of the many alien autopsy videos that mysteriously ended up at his door, one video really stuck with him, one which seemed as though it could be a real autopsy of a genuine alien being.

He took this video to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), among the most highly regarded institutions in the world within the field of pathology. Green studied the video with three other specialists, all board certified with Ph.D.s and highest relevant credentials in anatomy, comparative physiology, and pathology. Their conclusion: “it’s a real autopsy.” But was it an alien? Their conclusion was no, it was not. What exactly was going on is still not exactly known, but Green’s assessment is that he “later learned that it could be identified as a certain progeric.”

“So what I’ve basically concluded,” he said:

“. . . is, in my tiny medical corner, I have no data that I can’t derive from very advanced special access program material that was started twenty or thirty years ago. None. Zero. Nothing. I’ve got no medical effects, no data from alleged abductions, no data from alleged MILABS, no data from epigenetics, nothing that couldn’t be hoaxed intentionally by very sophisticated scientists. And that’s where I am.”

And this:

“And I did think that the one that I had seen in the Pentagon was an alien and I did say absolutely. And it’s true, I’ll say it again. Some of the still shots in that early email were later seen by me to be incorporated in the Santilli film, many years later.”

The Carrot Dangles Again
There is another fascinating story to add here. Earlier, I discussed a mentor figure who tried, and failed, to get Green clearances to enable him to be brought into what he said was a UFO-alien related program. It turns out the story did not end there. That particular individual (who’s identity Green will not publicly reveal) died in 1997.

But some years later, another mentor came into the picture. This happened through one of the classified programs Green was part of. This new mentor was the chief scientist and senior medical officer of the “Futures” program, which was “an extremely high-level DOD committee” which in turn was tied to a major aerospace company. The program they were part of was paid for by the intelligence community but was run exclusively by this corporation. As far as Green could tell, none of the participants in the program were government employees; all retirees from various parts of government, and all had Top Secret codeword clearances.

Like Green’s previous mentor, this individual told him repeatedly that he would get Green cleared in order to bring him into ”a special program, an SAP program connected to UFOs, reverse engineering, and aliens.” That program, he told Green, needed a forensic physician who was also a Fellow in the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, and they actually didn’t have one.

This went on for nine years. During this time, there were two occasions in which Green was told he was about to get the necessary additional clearances, but nothing ever happened. The last such occurrence took place during the summer of 2011. His colleague told him, “ok, it’s time.” He directed Green to travel to a western state to a facility operated by a private company which leased property from the Department of Energy. None of this had anything to do with the DOE. It was simply that the DOE and other U.S. government agencies lease equipment and facilities and provides infrastructure to aerospace companies.

So once again, in 2011, Green traveled out west to get his clearance. But history simply repeated itself. He got to the meeting, they had discussions about many matters related to Futures’ Research [unrelated to UFOs], and then he asked, “when do I get the new clearance?” Chagrined, his colleague, who was present, said, “you will not be getting the clearances.”

I asked him if he had any idea as to why all this happened. Why the continued promises that never materialized? “Why?, he responded, “it beats the heck out of me. I am between confused and furious.”

However, he said, this may not be as unusual as most people might think. In his experience, not simply his own but others with a long history in the classified world, it isn’t necessarily unique that within U.S. government Special Access Programs (not simply connected to UFOs but any subject area) that someone may think they will be cleared for a program, “and then you don’t get it.”

I asked him as a result of all this, all these close calls, did he believe there was a special access program connected to UFOs, aliens, and the like. His answer, as always, was extremely specific. Based on his specific experience and areas of expertise, he had not seen any reason to go there. I pressed. What about the evidence of UFOs in general? Surely you are knowledgeable about this, about the longstanding history of encounters with seemingly impossible aircraft and the many accounts of UFO crash retrieval? And what of your peers who specifically told you about these programs?

But Kit Green would not go beyond what he had already stated, and I am not a mind reader. Did his colleagues actually have clearance to be in those very programs? Green thinks it’s entirely possible they did, but he is not sure. Special Access Programs, he stated, have multiple levels. Perhaps, he speculated, they were in the first level only. Perhaps they didn’t have clearances that took them in all the way.

The Weird Desk
Almost as an aside, there was another interesting topic we spoke about, and this concerned his management of what was called “The Weird Desk” during his days with the CIA. The assumption most people have had, it seems, is that Green knew about all the classified UFO information while there. He emphatically refuted this.

“When I was a CIA officer,” he said,

“. . . I almost never saw anything about UFOs that was classified. I did see some things that were classified, but they were very low-level classified. They were well accepted, and that was because of some things called Fastwalkers – which by the way were owned by industry, not the government. Everything was classified as Confidential or Secret. Everything. And they were very trivial, very small, and there were only two or three documents I saw that were actually anything to do with UFOs.”

Everything that was related to the “Weird Desk,” he said:

“including parapsychology, UFOs, anything associated with remote viewing, and my involvement with Stanford, and so forth, never occupied any more than two to three percent of my time. Now, I would take a trip while I was in California, half of what I did might have been with Stanford Research Institute during those years, and I took three or four trips a year. But, ninety-seven percent of what I was paid for by the clock on my time, that was reviewed by management at CIA, had nothing to do with the so-called ‘Keeper of the Weird Desk.’”

Assessing the Wilson Document
Upon closing our interview, I asked him about the authenticity of the “Core Secrets” document, or the Wilson Document.

He knows fully that this is a sensitive matter for the people concerned, many of whom he has known for years. He agreed to give me an on-the-record and off-the-record answer, on condition that I do not state what his off-the-record position is. He even kindly allowed me to mention that he gave an off-the-record answer.

“On the record, I have agreed on the record that I have no authority to confirm that it is a legitimate memo because in fact, the fact that I’ve seen it, the fact that I think one thing doesn’t give me the authority to declare its provenance as legitimate. I can’t do that so I won’t say that.”

It’s worth emphasizing his careful wording in the phrase, “the fact that I think one thing doesn’t give me the authority to declare its provenance as legitimate.”

He then gave me his off-the-record answer.

In a follow-up conversation, Kit Green went further for an on-the-record statement. While he would not put himself on the record relating to the authenticity of the Wilson document, he did state that “the generic discussion” in that document was “exceptionally familiar” to him. Specifically, about how within the world of special access programs, “there comes a time when those are not under the control of the United States Government.”

Furthermore, the reaction as portrayed by Wilson in the document — Wilson’s anger and dismay at being locked out of a program which by rights he believed he had some measure of authority over — struck Green as exactly right. “In fact,” he added, “all the SAP I’ve been part of except one are in that category. When I go to those facilities, there are no government employees.”

He did not stop there. “Who thinks that governments have access to the highest technologies? Why would that be true when many of the people in the governments aren’t necessarily good physicists, biologists, geneticists, and so on?” Other than nuclear weapons technology, he said, he could not think of any area within the Defense community in which any government program could hold a candle to the trillion-dollar companies that employ the best scientists and engineers in the world. “So why would anyone in the world think that the best tech normally comes from the government?”

Not only is most of the advanced technology research under development in the hands of private corporations, but the basic scenario is that the U.S. government serves as little more than a security organization working for those private entities. The impression I got from this is that the U.S. government has limited control at best over these programs. It provides the money, security, and valuable infrastructure, and that’s about it. After the technology is ready for operational use, then it can be another story, once the military services take delivery of a fieldable system.

Finally, it is at least worth a side mention that Green’s endorsement of the 11-page alien autopsy email thread from 2001 surely adds, even if indirectly, to the authenticity of the Wilson Document. After all, the two documents are inextricably bound to each other and were leaked together. They are from the same source. This ought to be of note to any investigator who pays attention to detail and has a modicum of common sense.

Clearly, Green’s comments regarding the Wilson Document bear very careful scrutiny.

Conclusion
This turned out to be a fascinating but tricky interview to conduct. Not because of anything inherent about Kit Green. He was extremely open with me about many things. But our conservation jumped around quite a bit, not through any fault of ourselves, I think, but it turns out there was a very complex story in here. Additionally, there were a number of things he stated that were not meant for attribution, which as I stated previously I didn’t fully realize when we started.

For this reason, I elected to do this in an article format while also maintaining as much adherence to our actual conversation as possible.

There are many takeaways from this conversation. Here are the ones I consider most significant – although others may quite possibly focus on different points.

– The alien autopsy email thread is genuine.

– Green believed for many years that the Santilli film depicted a genuine alien being but during the first decade of this century concluded it was a hoax.

– He initially believed the being in the film was genuine because he had been shown still images of an apparent alien autopsy and autopsy reports of apparent alien beings.

– Several of the still images he was shown in 1987-1988 were either identical or extremely close to certain elements of the Santilli film. He stated this back in 2001 and maintains it to this day.

– During the 1990s and early 21st century, roughly a dozen packages arrived mysteriously at his doorstep which had video and other information pertaining to alleged alien autopsies. For many years Green found at least some of these to be very compelling.

– He brought some of this evidence to the attention of other prominent experts who after careful examination concluded the material was a very clever hoax.

– Green never received followup in relation to his 1987-1988 briefing.

– He later concluded that all of the evidence he encountered regarding any alien autopsies could be explained with purely terrestrial technology and a great deal of money. He argued this is a better explanation than aliens from Zeta Reticuli.

– He emphasizes that his determination is based purely on areas of his own expertise, centered on the biological sciences.

– He believes the packages that arrived at his doorstep were most likely the result of a “high-level non-government hoax utilizing means to drive financial connectivities on programs that are related.” In other words, private entities seeking to monetize black budget science.

– He believes he was hoaxed during his 1987-1988 briefing at the Pentagon in relation to an active measures intelligence operation designed, for reasons unstated but apparently not unusual in his view, to convince him of information that wasn’t true.

– He was strongly inclined to accept the truth of the 1987-1988 briefing for many years because at that time and for many years afterward, he had been told by a prominent colleague that he would soon be brought into a special access program connected to UFOs and aliens.

– While he was later brought into several “exquisitely sensitive” programs later, he was never brought into such a program.

— During the 21st century, once again the promise of being cleared for a UFO-alien related special access program was dangled before him, with no result.

— He stated that at least many UFOs detected in Earth orbit or space (“fastwalkers”) are owned and operated by private industry.

– He gave an on-the-record and off-the-record answer to my question on the authenticity of the Thomas R. Wilson document. On the record, he stated he had “no authority” to make such a determination but said a great deal more unofficially to authenticate it by any reasonable measure.

I am very grateful to Kit Green for his willingness to discuss all this with me. Other people could have asked better questions and done a better job than myself. I did the best I could under the conditions we had. I felt throughout that he was genuinely trying to shed light on this matter while at the same time governed by obvious restraints on certain things he could not discuss.

Richard Dolan

[boja]

It's all as clear as mud.

Which is obviously what the people in charge desire.

[Bill Ryan]

Below is the public available document published by Richard Dolan today -with thanks to Richard who has worked hard on this item for a number of weeks - enjoy

https://richarddolanmembers.com/free-content/dr-kit-green-on-the-record/

Dr. Kit Green, On the Record
By Richard Dolan
August 24, 2019
Many thanks. I have quite a lot to say about this (but no time just now!). In the interim, here are two closely related threads:


CIA Senior Medical Officer Kit Green claims Alien Autopsy Footage is Real (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107706-CIA-Senior-Medical-Officer-Kit-Green-claims-Alien-Autopsy-Footage-is-Real)
New evidence on The Alien Autopsy film. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47598-New-evidence-on-The-Alien-Autopsy-film.)

and also:


Alien Autopsy cleaned images and video

http://avalonlibrary.net/Alien_Autopsy_cleaned_images_and_video/


LIBRARIAN NOTE: Oct 20, 2019
The link - above - has been edited to direct straight to a bespoke folder where the following files may be viewed:

Click >> 41715

[HaveBlue]

Okay, forget the gloves. CIA is the point really. Remember Disclosure Project witness Carol Rosin who was told by Werner Von Braun about the plan to build space based weapons. I just read about a 69 million dollar contract that Elon Musk is going after to battle 'asteroids'.
After that there is only one card left. Alien invasion. And remember it is all a lie.

Richard Helms, CIA Dir said in 1981, our job is complete when everything the public believes is wrong.
Mike Pompeo, current Sec State but before that he was CIA Dir, said 'we lied we stole we did everything'.

That is about the only time I believe anyone from the CIA, when they admit they are crooks, and they laugh about it too!

I watched a YT vid recently about Chenobyl 30 years on. Sorry I can't remember the exact title. The people born there afterwards who have genetic defects could so easily pass as aliens it is not even funny. They look like what you'd expect a grey human hybrid to look like.
I'm waiting for someone like secure team 10 or 3rd phase of moon to show that footage with just the right bits clipped out and say it's aliens.

In this article it says Kit Green does not believe this santilli footage is of an alien. Or even a recreation of the real one! The real what? the real cadaver of a person who had Progeria aka premature aging. Therefore, the headline is deceptive.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ex-cia-weird-desk-official-kit-green-claims-alien-autopsy-emails-from-the-future-to-the-stars-crew-are-authentic

I used to at least say 'maybe' to a lot of this stuff but I've had to face up to deception and reality. Intellectual honestly. Because I don't have it (lies) in my own life day to day it is too easy to assume everyone else is like I am. They are not.

I watched the longer version of Steven Greers interview with Richard Doty the other day. I find him to be a total BS artist. The smirking and dupers delight made me embarrassed for anyone that would believe it. He did say the planned fake alien invasion was too sensitive to talk about. That is about the only truth I saw there. I'm seeing this disinfo everywhere now in the UFO field.

These people are paid psyops. Some are very good liars. Dan Burisch/Crain is another one of them.
I am now in the Norio Hiyakawa line of thinking about all this. S4, Dulce alien stuff. Jeremy Rys aka Alien Scientist has put my mind back into the boring world of facts about Bob Lazar because of Corbells doco/drama or whatever it was. Corbell should have left the thing well alone and I would have still been interested in the BL story. He has unwittingly exposed the fraud instead of perpetuated it. I wanted to believe for so long but can no longer do it. It is tough to face. I can see why so many hang on to their denials.

It is a bit like a spouse not wanting to face up to a cheating partner. Oh I thought you loved me!. You thought wrong (rug pulled from underneath feeling)

Anything to distract us away from what really matters. The Central Banks printing money, Building 7, the paedophile elite. And no BTW, one Epstein scalp will not suffice to distract us onto climate change or any other steaming pile they have prepared to serve us up next with.

I'll finish with a Winston Churchill quote. 'The truth is so precious it must be so carefully guarded and wrapped in a bundle of lies.

[Intranuclear]

If I understand correctly, Kit is saying the autopsy is real but it is not an alien.
What then, a hybrid?
So not an alien autopsy...eh... but it is real....

...But Green’s perspective today is not the same as it was in 2001. Green now openly states his earlier assessment of the Santilli creature was wrong. “I assumed it was alien,” he said, “because earlier, I had been warranted [for thinking] in a briefing with a uniformed officer in the Pentagon that it was an alien.” He later “found out that was untrue. . . . I was totally positive it was an alien body then, twenty years ago, but I am positive now that it was not.” ...

...
He took this video to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), among the most highly regarded institutions in the world within the field of pathology. Green studied the video with three other specialists, all board certified with Ph.D.s and highest relevant credentials in anatomy, comparative physiology, and pathology. Their conclusion: “it’s a real autopsy.” But was it an alien? Their conclusion was no, it was not. What exactly was going on is still not exactly known, but Green’s assessment is that he “later learned that it could be identified as a certain progeric.”
...

I Googled progeric children and none looked like the the being in the film. All progeric children that one can see in the web-search results are generally very small, have real and somewhat larger than normal ears, and noses.

So maybe some kind of hybrid?

[diteras]

If I may - for me the most 'interesting' component of this transcript is the assertion re. 'fastwalkers' --- just take a moment to relate this to TTSA 'managed' disclosures and the many implications associated - I await better and more experienced commentators views with great anticipation.

Having reflected, I am ,as they say 'not very happy' and that must be taken in the context of me being Scottish.

#sigh#

[HaveBlue]

Why does the USA do this? Who else has anyone at all claiming to have UFOs and alien bodies in their possession? Even Rendalsham is a USA deal. So is the Australian sightings all centred around Pine Gap, a USA base. Germanys UFOs are dealt with by Ramstein, another USA military base. We are told that where ever there is a UFO crash, the USA is there to get it and bring it home in a flash. Nobody else is allowed them.

It is to my mind, a psyop about 'don't mess with us we have tech from aliens'. Other countries don't dare say 'me too' or they will be invaded buy the USA looking for them even though they know that country is bluffing. Iraq and Libya know only too well. (they were supposed to have WMDs aka stargates remember?)

In 3 budgets/years Pres Trump has spent over 2100 million dollars to rebuild what he calls a depleted military. Did previous admins really think they could just pretend to be strong when they were in fact weak? The Art of War by Sun Shu - appear strong when you are weak!

If all war is based on deception, spreading rumors about aliens and associated tech would be a sound military tactic. Not that I would have ever called the USA weak, but after all the wars and money they have chewed through in the last 80 years maybe they have lost sight of what that means.

[HaveBlue]

It is real. A real case of Progeria/ premature ageing disease.

[jcking]

Having just read through this, thinking about the dangling carrot of access, I have to wonder if he was given some of these exquisitely hoaxed documents as perhaps personally designed puzzles, which if he would’ve seen through (ie the Pentagon autopsy report) or would’ve completely grasped the implications of (in terms of the “early” autopsy procedure) in a certain way at the time, he may have found himself with the keys to the car.

I’m reminded of the infamous “Google questions” used to vet many potential employees at the tech company: catching people off-guard in interviews with sudden, seemingly irrelevant questions like “What do you think would be the volume of the Empire State Building?”, where a totally correct answer isn’t needed, but the approach and methodology of the working response is used to determine whether the candidate is on a level that they consider advanced enough for their employment. Nothing against Dr Green intended of course, he’s clearly brilliant regardless.

[Denise/Dizi]

Of course anyone would handle alien material with their bare hands! Someone at the CIA says it is true though! Well then it must be because the CIA are completely trustworthy.

Now about those bridges and Eifel Towers I have for sale. Today only. Don't miss out. They are selling very fast due to huge demand.

I dunno about the Eiffel twer and those bridges that you're selling.. I am still holding my raincheck for the last time you sold the Brooklyn Bridge. I never did get my share of that HAHAHA. Do those expire?

you made me laugh..

But I wonder if there would have been any thought about et possibly being some kind of biohazard at the time? Assuming they died because of a crash and not disease, or illness.. But then again we do have species here that are toxic to the touch.. I would think that any trained medical Dr. or mortician however would have "Gloved up" even back then.. But you never know, if they didn't anticipate doing those, and they knew they were short of time before they lost the opportunity, ie- someone else coming to claim the bodies, someone may risk it out of curiosity. But it does sound ridiculous on the face of it, that someone would cut into another being like that, bare handed.

[Patient]

If I understand correctly, Kit is saying the autopsy is real but it is not an alien.
What then, a hybrid?
So not an alien autopsy...eh... but it is real....

...But Green’s perspective today is not the same as it was in 2001. Green now openly states his earlier assessment of the Santilli creature was wrong. “I assumed it was alien,” he said, “because earlier, I had been warranted [for thinking] in a briefing with a uniformed officer in the Pentagon that it was an alien.” He later “found out that was untrue. . . . I was totally positive it was an alien body then, twenty years ago, but I am positive now that it was not.” ...

...
He took this video to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), among the most highly regarded institutions in the world within the field of pathology. Green studied the video with three other specialists, all board certified with Ph.D.s and highest relevant credentials in anatomy, comparative physiology, and pathology. Their conclusion: “it’s a real autopsy.” But was it an alien? Their conclusion was no, it was not. What exactly was going on is still not exactly known, but Green’s assessment is that he “later learned that it could be identified as a certain progeric.”
...

I Googled progeric children and none looked like the the being in the film. All progeric children that one can see in the web-search results are generally very small, have real and somewhat larger than normal ears, and noses.

So maybe some kind of hybrid?

So perhaps you are on the path of the truth - when he said that the alien autopsy is not a real alien, that is true. As there are many theories put forth claiming that these 'beings' are not from another galaxy but rather they have lived on earth for centuries.

Or more likely, we are simply not going to hear the absolute truth because people are afraid to be the one to come forward with the truth on the subject. There are many people who have been killed for trying to get the truth out there on other subjects - when you know that that is true, one would really have to consider the price that could be paid for speaking out. And it is not just about the person themselves, but their family as well. I think that these consequences are something that we forget are being considered at times because we are not the ones in the pivotal seat.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's maybe the most important question to ask. Why should we assume that everything that Kit Green explained to Richard Dolan was true?

And a question that's almost as important is this one. Assuming THIS bit is true, and it seems to be, if Kit was shown an image of apparently the same 'Alien Autopsy' being back in 1987/88, how can this square with Ray Santilli supposedly faking the thing years later?

[yelik]

Deliberately confusing information to support UFO and ET deniers

[Gracy]

Deliberately confusing information to support UFO and ET deniers

Not just deniers, but supporters alike. Everything must always remain muddled?

[HaveBlue]

Yes well Denise, I have offered it a few times but the sale never goes through. I would if I ever got a serious taker that it is a joke albeit a very serious one. The adage 'It is easier to fool people than convince them that they have been fooled' is so very true.

If you look into the recent Obama CIA Director John Brennan and what lengths they went to in order to install HRC as POTUS by cooking up with others to lie and cheat to deny Donald the win.

I don't want to go off topic too much, I'm just showing how these people who are put in such positions of authority and public trust are actually so corrupt, so dishonest and so evil to the core. We know now about the Epstein, NXVIM thing which is so disturbing that I do not enjoy discussing it or even thinking about it. But I have to. We all do. At least a critical mass of does. By not paying it attention is exactly how they got away from it for so long. David Icke has been saying it for years about many in the British Govt.

They will lie about anything, including any distraction they think they can get away with in order to take the focus off it. Oh I've just spent the last 100 days on the moon with ETs! I mean, hello. (you know who I mean) I will bet anything that no ETs will show up in Canada in 2020, just like every other single time that we were played along with that line. Oh they didn't show, they ran away. Yeah right!!! In the meantime we are constantly told Orange Man Bad while we wait for our fix of insider exciting ET gossip. When ET does not show up, it will be Trumps fault!

We would be rock stupid to fall for that a 3rd time. Your check is in the mail! We desperately want to believe our check really is in the mail. We so wish it was true. But is just always keeps getting lost in the post.

The gullible and too trusting folks need protecting and warning. Others choose to laugh at them and find someone to feel smarter or better than in them. This is one of the worst human traits we have as a species. I have never been in any classroom where the teacher treats the students as morons and laughs and ridicules them for the naivete'. If they do, they won't be in that job very long.

Carol Rosin was/is a teacher too BTW. Her message is "Do not be fooled". So is Dr Steven Greers. The endgame with all of this is a one world totalitarian govt. Is really is about population reduction on a massive scale. It is the boot stomping on our heads forever that George Orwell warned us about.

They will want to tell us that ETs are doing it. In order to get away with it they have to 'let' us believe in their ETs. We will not be permitted to believe in our own ETs. It will be the new religion. My god is right and yours is wrong sort of thing. Notice how the TTSA Tom DeLonge 'quasi official' disclosure is about the THREAT from ETs. Why? when there is no evidence they are actually hostile anyway? No just vote HRC because of John Podesta! Who? The wikileaks confirmed pedo and his brother with the taste in art similar to Epstein? Yes, that John Podesta.

We even have Robert David Steele saying children are being taken off world to be enslaved, abused and eaten etc... If you are on Epstein Island you may as well be off world. The self styled Elite. EliTe. EpsTein. ETs of sorts I guess!!!

I need to stop or I'll ramble on and on but I'll just say this. I do believe in ETs. Actually no, it is EDs, the light beings I believe in. I cannot capture them, or weigh them. They come and go as they choose. They project their consciousness. Now this really is Kit Greens field of interest. Remote viewing and your aura going along too is what I see in these light beings. This really is where Grant Cameron is too with all this. And the last thing the Govts of this world want is for us to wake up to our own capabilities.

[Spaceball Ricochet]

HaveBlue..

The Americans have never had much talent for laziness and they have even been known to abduct aliens..😁
Just think of all the ufo cults and religions spawned from the USA. Heavens Gate, the Order of the Solar Temple, the Ashtar Galactic Command, the Aetherius Society..the Branch Davidians, the Brotherhood of the Seven Ray's, the Urantia Movement..etc. It's only fair the USA should monopolise all things alien! 👽😄

[Patient]

What are you referring to about ETs showing up in Canada?

I enjoy some good distraction as much as the next guy. Some distraction is actually a good thing IMO. As long as we take it for what it is.

I know that Canada is expecting ETs in the way on Electronic Transit, and the Economic Trade discussion.

Seriously though, Canada has its share of UFO happenings. There is so much room here that they could have a whole city of their own somewhere in the north half or in the mountains somewhere and we wouldn't know.

At times it feels like our planet is small and we are running out of room. Well, get outside of the cities for a stroll - stand in the middle of the prairies and have a look around. There is a lot of space right here on earth. Certainly enough room for a few more stories to be told. Always will be.

It does get frustrating sometimes trying to figure out the truth when governments are busy messing with us.

I am sure that there has been an alien autopsy done somewhere at some point. Maybe that is the message.

[jcking]

On the one hand, we have Dr Green saying that he hasn’t seen anything that couldn’t be done with private industry, human ingenuity and an extraordinary amount of money. Perhaps that could be true for what he himself has seen.

On the other hand, ‘Within a year or two (“in 1983, 84”) this man said to Green that “the stories about alien incursions, recoveries, and information [are] true.” Moreover, he was going to get Green cleared for the relevant programs. One key reason apparently was the lack of physicians cleared for them. Green was excited about the prospect.’

So on the other hand Green says he was excited for *several decades* and very frustrated for another *several decades* that he wasn’t cleared for the SAPs dealing with ‘bodies and recovered material’.

We could interpret him saying that he hasn’t seen anything properly exotic enough to be alien to mean that he somehow doesn’t believe in it anymore, but that doesn’t really explain 4 decades of uphill battle trying to get his foot in the door (if we are to believe his words at face value) of the recovered material SAPs, or his tantalizing associations with the ‘invisible college’. If there were no such things, there would be no door to step through in the first place. Intelligent, strong-willed people don’t doggedly pursue something for 40 years without some solid reasons. Especially given that he seems more frustrated with the gatekeepers than being frustrated with himself. I think that’s telling.

Another point of interest with regard to the ‘fastwalkers’: most people in many advanced fields learn quickly to typically shy away from terms like ‘always’ and ‘never’. When he says the fastwalkers are ‘all private industry’ I wonder if he’s (A) saying that objects leaving/entering our atmosphere at great velocity are truly ‘all’ ours, which sounds a bit like propaganda (B) he may actually be privy to ET craft using long-rumored more advanced means involving localized gravity fields, ’interdimensional’ traversal and/or a form of teleportation rather than just good ol’ extreme amounts of thrust, like we have.

This also doesn’t entirely explain earlier satellite atmospheric detection programs like SAINT/Alouette, but perhaps there’s more to that story.

[naochan]

Sorry to bother you, but I get "404 Not Found" when I try to get the audio file. Would you check the link, Bill?


Do listen to Richard Dolan discussing this, starting at 24:40 in this fascinating 30 June 2019 Coast to Coast AM segment:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20the%20Admiral%20Wilson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019)%20Hour%203%2C%20Richard%20Dolan.mp3

[Bill Ryan]

Sorry to bother you, but I get "404 Not Found" when I try to get the audio file. Would you check the link, Bill?


Do listen to Richard Dolan discussing this, starting at 24:40 in this fascinating 30 June 2019 Coast to Coast AM segment:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20the%20Admiral%20Wilson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019)%20Hour%203%2C%20Richard%20Dolan.mp3



Apologies! Here's the corrected link: :thumbsup:


http://projectavalon.net/Coast%20to%20Coast%20AM%20with%20Jimmy%20Church%20-%20the%20Admiral%20Wilson%20document%20(30%20June%2C%202019)%20Hour%203%2C%20Richard%20Dolan.mp3

[Bill Ryan]

Richard Dolan's video commentary, streamed live 12 hours ago:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0_9mamk-DM

[Bill Ryan]

Much more about this starting at 7:20 on this very interesting livestream by Linda Howe, dated 19 June 2019. Linda, like myself, holds strongly that Ray Santilli's Alien Autopsy film depicts a real event, and refers to the autopsy cameraman as J.B.

I was independently told by another researcher (Ed Gehrman) a little over 10 years ago, who had personally spoken at length with the cameraman by phone, that his name was Jack. Of course, that fits perfectly with "J.B." Jack was living in Florida at the time, and was quite elderly. He has since passed on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9HnewICR6k

[Bill Ryan]

Some more from Linda's livestream, posted immediately above.

Here's the cameraman's statement in full, published originally in 1995. Some of this, Linda read on her video. (In another later source of this, he's referred to as 'Jack Barnett'. Here, he's referred to as 'MB'.)

I've added more paragraph breaks for easier reading, but otherwise it's all intact.


https://archive.org/stream/continuum4no4_1995/continuum4no4_1995_djvu.txt

From: John W. Ratcliff <70253J237@CompuServe.com>
Subject: The Cameraman's Statement

From the leading Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' at Amsterdam I received a copy of a written statement from the cameraman 'MB' near Cleveland for further evaluation of the 'ROSWELL films' case. If anyone of the readers does have inputs about OPERATION ANVIL it is obvious 1 would very much like to receive your mail. Send it to Hans v. Kampen, 100544,1761@compuserve.com. The original document is in Amsterdam. It reads exactly as follows:





THE CAMERAMAN'S STORY OPERATION: ANVIL - Now known as the Roswell Incident

I joined the forces in March of 1942 and left in 1952. The ten years 1 spent serving my country were some of the best years of my life.

My father was in the movie business, which meant he had good knowledge about the workings of cameras and photography. For this reason I believe I passed a medical that would not normally allow me in, due to Polio as a child.

[Bill Ryan note: this is why the cameraman can be seen to have a limp in the film, as he's a little heavy on one leg whenever he moves.]

After my enrolment and training, I was able to use my camera skills and became one of the few dedicated cameramen in the forces. I was sent to many places, and as it was war time, 1 fast learnt the ability of filming under difficult circumstances.

I will not give more detail on my background, only to say that in the fall of 1944, I was assigned to Intelligence, reporting to the Assistant Chief of Air Staff. I was moved around, depending on the assignment. During my time, I filmed a great deal including the tests at White Sands (Manhattan project/Trinity).

I remember very clearly receiving the call to go to White Sands (Roswell). I had not long returned from St. Louis, Missouri where I had filmed the new Ramjet ("Little Henry"), it was June 1 st when McDonald asked me to report to General McMullan for a special assignment.

I had had no experience of working with McMullan but after talking to him for a few minutes, I knew that I would never wish to be his enemy. McMullan was straight to the point, no messing. I was ordered to a crash site just south-west of Socorro. It was urgent and my brief was to film everything in sight, not to leave the debris until it had been removed and I was to have access to all areas of the site. If the commander in charge had a problem with that, I was told to get them to call McMullan.

A few minutes after my orders from McMullan, I received the same instructions from Tooey, saying it was the crash of a Russian spy plane. Two Generals in one day, this job was important.

I flew out from Andrews with sixteen other officers and personnel, mostly medical. We arrived at Wright Patterson and collected more men and equipment. From there, we flew to Roswell on a C54. When we got to Roswell, we were transported by road to the site.

When we arrived, the site had already been cordoned off. From the start it was plain to see this was no Russian Spy Plane. It was a large disc "Flying Saucer" on its back, with heat still radiating from the ground around it. The commander on site handed over to the SAC medical team who were still waiting for Kenney to arrive.

However, nothing had been done as everyone was just waiting for orders. It was decided to wait until the heat subsided before moving in as fire was a significant risk. This was made alt the worse by the screams of the Freak creatures that were lying by the vehicle. What in gods name the[y] were, no on[e] could tell, but one things for sure, they were Circus Freaks, creatures with no business here.

Each had hold of a box which they kept hold of in both arms close to their chests. They just lay there crying, holding those boxes. Once my tent had been set up, I started filming immediately, first the vehicle, then the site and debris.

At around 06:00, it was deemed safe to move in. Again, the Freaks were still crying and when approached, they screamed even louder. They were protective of their boxes, but we managed to get one lose with a firm strike at the head of a Freak with the butt of a rifle. The 3 Freaks were dragged away and secured with rope and tape. The other one was already dead.

The medical team were reluctant at first to go near these Freaks, but as some were injured, they had no choice. Once the creatures were collected, the priority was to collect all debris that could be removed easily as there was still a risk of fire.

This debris seemed to come from exterior struts that were supporting a very small disc on the underside of the craft which must have snapped off when the disc flipped over. The debris was taken to tent stations for logging, then loaded onto trucks.

After three days, a full team from Washington came down and the decision was taken to move the craft. Inside it, the atmosphere was very heavy. It was impossible to stay in longer than a few seconds without feeling very sick. Therefore, it was decided to analyse it back at base, so it was loaded onto a flattop and taken to Wright Patterson, which is where I joined it.

I stayed at Wright Patterson for a further three weeks, working on the debris. I was then told to report to Fort Worth (Dallas) for the filming of an Autopsy. Normally, I would not have a problem with this, but it was discovered that the Freaks may be a medical threat, therefore, 1 was required to wear the same protective suits as the doctors.

It was impossible to handle the camera properly, loading and focusing was very difficult. In fact, against orders, 1 removed my suit during the filming. The first two Autopsy's took place in July 1947.

After filming, I had several hundred reels. I separated problem reels which required special attention in processing (these I would do later). The first batch was sent through to Summer, 1995 Washington and I processed the remainder a few days later.

Once the remaining reels had been processed, I contacted Washington to arrange collection of the final batch. Incredibly, they never came to collect or arrange transportation for them. I called many times and then just gave up. The footage has remained with me ever since. In May of 1949, I was asked to film the third Autopsy.
~~~

An important correlation, maybe. The statement above makes clear mention of the boxes they were holding and were extremely reluctant to let go of.

Here's a statement from Project Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (pseudonym) from the important 2007 article The Big Picture: a Hypothesis (http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html).

~~~



[The Roswell visitors] had a device with them which was their only means, as an orientation device in time and space, to get them home and back to their own time.

The device was a little box, highly advanced and multifunctional in nature, and was far smaller than the "Looking Glass" that Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton describe as being subsequently utilized by military scientists in various experiments.

When the box was acquired and investigated by the military, this became a catastrophe in itself. It made the timeline problem many times worse, because this both introduced time manipulation technology to us at the wrong time... and also told the military what lay ahead.

~~~

I can't find a written reference just now (if there is one), but 'Henry' expressed to me personally a number of times that he was appalled and most sorrowful how very badly the 'visitors' were treated, and how the boxes they were desperately trying to protect were wrenched away from them by force.

[Deneon]

I am just reading this now for the first time and I am almost in tears thinking about how these beings must have felt.. Being left alone for who knows how long, while they were very likely in pain and very very afraid. And then when people finally come, they are headbutted with a rifle and have their possessions taken from them..

I do have some questions about the autopsy film, as I was under the impression that it was a known hoax. We have alot of testimony about the Roswell ETs fom other sources by now. Supposedly these are humans from the future (24000 years into the future,, according to Dan Burisch). From the leaked emails, it is clear that they found in the autopsy that some of the anatomy is different from us humans today. For example the heart and aorta are very different as is their brain (see page 6 in the alien autopsy emails (https://imgur.com/a/7D5xIGk)).

I wonder if these differences could be explained by 24000 years of evolution? Can someone with a little more knowledge on biology and evolution give their take on that?

[Sunny-side-up]

I am just reading this now for the first time and I am almost in tears thinking about how these beings must have felt.. Being left alone for who knows how long, while they were very likely in pain and very very afraid. And then when people finally come, they are headbutted with a rifle and have their possessions taken from them..

I do have some questions about the autopsy film, as I was under the impression that it was a known hoax. We have alot of testimony about the Roswell ETs fom other sources by now. Supposedly these are humans from the future (24000 years into the future,, according to Dan Burisch). From the leaked emails, it is clear that they found in the autopsy that some of the anatomy is different from us humans today. For example the heart and aorta are very different as is their brain (see page 6 in the alien autopsy emails (https://imgur.com/a/7D5xIGk)).

I wonder if these differences could be explained by 24000 years of evolution? Can someone with a little more knowledge on biology and evolution give their take on that?

Once you gain 'time travel' then you can tweak and tweak your evolution faster and faster.

[Ratszinger]

I am just reading this now for the first time and I am almost in tears thinking about how these beings must have felt.. Being left alone for who knows how long, while they were very likely in pain and very very afraid. And then when people finally come, they are headbutted with a rifle and have their possessions taken from them..

I do have some questions about the autopsy film, as I was under the impression that it was a known hoax. We have alot of testimony about the Roswell ETs fom other sources by now. Supposedly these are humans from the future (24000 years into the future,, according to Dan Burisch). From the leaked emails, it is clear that they found in the autopsy that some of the anatomy is different from us humans today. For example the heart and aorta are very different as is their brain (see page 6 in the alien autopsy emails (https://imgur.com/a/7D5xIGk)).

I wonder if these differences could be explained by 24000 years of evolution? Can someone with a little more knowledge on biology and evolution give their take on that?

Flora and fauna can have drastic effects on one that would say stay in a sterile environment for too long living. In time if you were in space for too long your body would mutate by simply stretching and you'd gain height. Women astronauts complain often about the stretch marks on their faces from long stays in space or weightlessness I should say. No gravity has all kind of long term effects on the organs, and studies are only now being talked about for births in space because some theorize that over generations those birthed in space would not be able to come here to live except to visit as some premier guest in a bubble environment to protect it from the flora and fauna of the earth which would undoubtedly attack them.

So we have other factors in place besides 24,000 years of evolution. We now have many of those years being potentially years lived in space. We are in my opinion at that threshold where the mutations began showing up. They already know about women's menstrual issues developing in space so certainly they suspect it will lead to 'abnormal' births. Apparently a woman and man's monthly cycles adjust in space. They are still doing studies on this too.

[Deneon]

As a result of this new talk about the famous alien autopsy video, I have been re-reading Witness to Roswell, by Thomas J. Carey and Donald R. Schmitt. I have considered the material in this book to be the best collection of research available on the Roswell incident. As far as I know, most (if not all) serious UFO researchers believe the material to be factual and correct, as far as anyone can tell. If I;m wrong, please do tell me.

There are multiple accounts of people describing the beings that crashed in Roswell in 1947. These descriptions are different than what can be seen in the Santilli film. Since the Santilli film was debunked as a hoax (or so I thought), I never paid much attention to it. Now with this new evidence saying the film is actually real, these questions are back and I think they deserve to be looked at.

The descriptions of the witnesses in the book, differ on soms points from what is seen in the video. The most important differences are:
- In the book they are described by multiple witnesses as having 4 fingers. In the video the being has 6 fingers. Also, the wreckage shows control panels for hands with 6 fingers.
- In the book they have large, teardrop shaped, slanted eyes. The eyes are slightly larger than humans in the video, but not exceptionally so and certainly not teardrop shaped or slanted
- very small (3 to 5 feet) and skinny body, with a tight fitting slik-like suit on. Most describe them as little people, not unlike a child but with a bigger head. In the film they are bigger and more 'muscular'. I don't think anyone would call them skinny.

Now, at first glance these seem like trivial differences. However, I think the differences are too great to be able to explain them away as 'bad memory or bad recall' or something. There are just too many witness descriptions that are too different from what can be seen in the film. I'm having a hard time believing the film is real, after having read all these witness accounts in the book.

I'm curious what do others think?

[Ratszinger]

I've been doing a lot of thinking too and on numerous things I have digested thanks to this forum, places like the DIEHOLD Foundation, and threads like this as well as other forums over the years and the picture I have is not as pretty as I wanted it to be. In my fantasies it was so much better. I think we're a product belonging to someone! They are out there now watching and tending to their garden and we're simply one of many crops they tend on the garden they grew or I should say, regrew because each time they come in and harvest they have to come in after and replant.

They're watching and waiting and when it happens they'll all come back after and zero in on the areas they marked when last here. Why? Well, there is a reason and it's not pretty. You won't believe it. You'll say it's not possible but the truth is the evidence of it happening before many times not just once but many many times is all around us. "We've studied much of it" and completely missed what it means.


Humans must know that not just us but the earth itself is alive. I think that is one of the prerequisites for the 'zone' the planets they select has to be in. There is a 'band of life' in some rotation patterns and apparently we're in it and will eventually move out of it like others before us. The earth has always been a gemstone but to these gardeners or dare I say,"Miners" each planet they select can only be used so many times and once it moves out of the band they have to use another. It's a planet that lives that we also live on. On it they plant things. That is why the planet has always been and always will be a quarry! It's a self regenerating quarry in fact but it must be composed of living water filled beings like us first and they have them growing in many places but it has to be a planet that is alive set up near a sun like ours! This is why mars used to have life and doesn't now and while it was in the band of life they used it. Sometimes two planets are in the band supporting life and at the same time so they can use two worlds. Our moon is artificial so when they need to they can adjust things like they did here with our obviously artificial over sized moon and perhaps it was 'recycled' from the last planet in the band before ours. This one has been on for quite a while since the beginning of the last cycle and the end of that cycle is 2046 sometime probably in NOV of that year according to the foundation.


What happens? The sun micro novas. When it does it bursts out spitting out huge amounts of mass it has digested from the wormhole end of the long tube it sits on and the side of the earth facing the sun when it goes micro nova if not all the earth gets a shove and a scorch cleanse! How long this lasts is depending on the size and length of the sun burst and amount of fuel it can find. One way or the other though all life with water in it will be turned to stone scorched dry in a plasma fire to ignite everything in it that contains water using the hydrogen in the life forms for fuel transforming them all then and there! Epic! Biblical! Yes into the next step up on the periodic table we all go to become the product! That product that is very important to them for their technology! SILICON! They grow it here and we're a big part of the crop! This is what they call the great harvest time! As long as the planet lies in the band where life can still thrive it will produce. The earth has been in the band for some time and will still be in it after so life will still be able to grow again on the earth quarry just as it's done at least three times in the past producing each time a different group of biological beings that eventually met the same fate when the sun did it's burst into micro nova. It bursts out to the size of the Kieper belt which is what formed it in the first place and each time it does it it bursts the planets out a little further away from where they are now. A new planet is also born at that time and begins circling the sun like Mercury now only Mercury will be shoved out further as will the others.


We'll have another planet in our system when the new group of biological water filled beings are planted to be regrown in their 'GARDEN' yes there is a reason they call it a garden in ancient writings. It's a quarry but they grown living water filled things to turn into stone and petrified agates, gold, silver, mineral wealth and silicon lots and lots of silicon and if you study the earth now you'll easily find the evidence all over of ancient quarries and ancient giant beings and evidence of cuts and other things we can't even duplicate today.

[Tintin]

LIBRARIAN UPDATE - Avalon Library

Relative to this subject, the Admiral Wilson document, and the relevant alien autopsy threads, now added are:


Email zip folder and extracted JPEG of emails: http://avalonlibrary.net/Admiral_Wilson_document/Emails/



Continuum Summer 1995 magazine with cameraman's statement:
http://avalonlibrary.net/Alien_Autopsy_cleaned_images_and_video/Ratcliff_article_Continuum_magazine_page19_on_cameraman's_statement/continuum4no4_1995_Cameraman's_statement_pg.19_Ratcliff_article.pdf


After opening the pdf CTRL + F and enter Ratcliff to jump to the article Bill refers to above in post 45 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107706-CIA-Senior-Medical-Officer-Kit-Green-claims-Alien-Autopsy-Footage-is-Real&p=1315844&viewfull=1#post1315844) and it'll appear on page 19 there.

[Bill Ryan]

LIBRARIAN UPDATE - Avalon Library

Relative to this subject, the Admiral Wilson document, and the relevant alien autopsy threads, now added are:


Email zip folder and extracted JPEG of emails: http://avalonlibrary.net/Admiral_Wilson_document/Emails/



Here are the e-mails as one PDF document.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Admiral_Wilson_document/Emails/Alien_Autopsy_Proof_email_communication.pdf

http://avalonlibrary.net/Admiral_Wilson_document/Emails/Alien_Autopsy_Proof_email_communication.pdf

[Tintin]

During the course of my lengthy and painstaking indexing of the library's contents now numbering tens of thousands of documents I have today turned my attention toward the Admiral Wilson document leaks and have been doing some further research and resourcing.

Here, published June 23 2019, from Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research website appears to be confirmation of the individual who originally leaked the documents to Grant Cameron.

Useful I think to have on record here.

New Questions and answers - James Rigney
Sunday, June 23, 2019
Link: https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/search/label/Davis%2FWilson%20documents

Interview by Keith Basterfield

Background

In a blog post dated 12 June 2019, I revealed that I had located the person who had provided Canadian researcher Grant Cameron, with Grant's copy of the Davis/Wilson document. I then published a statement from that individual, who at that time had decided to remain anonymous. However, shortly afterwards, my source revealed his real identity. He is a fellow Australian named James Rigney, who has had a long term interest in the subject of UFOs.

From information provided in the Davis/Wilson document and the two others subsequently released, I had deduced that the original source of James' copies of the documents, was the files of the late Doctor Edgar Mitchell. James has confirmed to me that the source of his copies of the documents, was indeed someone who had obtained them, from the files of Edgar Mitchell.

At his invitation, I have now had an opportunity to pose a further series of questions to James. Below I provide these questions and James' responses to them. After this, he simply wishes to remain in the shadows.

Questions and answers

Q1. There is speculation that you possess additional Mitchell documents. Grant Cameron, on yesterday's Spaced Out Radio interview mentioned the subject of at least one. Do you indeed, have more Mitchell sourced documents? If so, would they add significantly to what has already emerged, or are they of lesser interest? Could you describe them, in whatever manner you prefer?

A1. As I explained in my statement to Richard Dolan, there are more documents, but it would be wrong to assume that these are as significant as the two principle documents. In any event, these are with Grant's lawyer, Michael W. Hall, and may or may not be released in the future. Please bear in mind that the people in control of these decisions share the objective to move things forward as effectively as possible, so that any decision to reveal future documents will be considered in this light.

Q2. Richard Dolan has mentioned that there were some six boxes of Mitchell related material. Is this also your understanding? If so, can you elaborate on what these six boxes contained?

A2. I was once told that there were six boxes of material, although I certainly didn't see these, and I certainly wasn't given access to anything like that number of documents. Six boxes may or may not be a lot of documents, depending on the size of of the boxes.

Q3. On the Spaced Out Radio show, Cameron mentioned that at one point, he suggested you drop the material anonymously onto the Internet, but that you did not. Is this statement correct? May we again, hear directly from you whether or not you dropped the first two documents on to the Internet?

A3. Grant did advise me on a video conference in early May, or thereabouts, that he wouldn't be dropping the documents. We did discuss as to whether I would drop them, and I said I wouldn't. I can categorically state that I did not drop the documents, or for that matter, pass them on to Richard Dolan. It is evident by mid-May there were a number of people in possession of the documents, along with several others that I know of who have had them for a decade or so.

Q4. Cameron then mentioned that he approached a "group of people" about leaking the first two documents, and they said "we'll take it from here." The implication being, that someone from this group was the anonymous leaker. Are you aware of the identity of this group, and would you be willing to name them? Thus enabling the question to be put to bed.

A4. I have no knowledge of who dropped the documents. Whilst I have heard Grant drop various names on a couple of his recent interviews, he did not discuss anything with me about who was going to, or who had, dropped the documents. Clearly that person wants anonymity, so it would be fitting that people respect that, and further to that, thank them for their efforts.

Q5. Richard Dolan mentioned that he was shown, what he believes were two pages of the Davis/Wilson document, in about 2006. In order that we can understand the timeline since 2002 when the Davis/Wilson document is dated, can you name the year in which you first came into possession of that document?

A5. I was in possession of the documents for a few years before I showed them to Grant in November, 2018. I would prefer not to nominate the exact dates in which I came into possession of the documents.

Q6. Given that it appears that a full set of the documents are held only by Cameron, Hall and yourself; and that neither Hall nor Cameron intend to ever publish them; do you feel comfortable in sharing them with anyone else, in order to have an independent person aware of their contents? Perhaps not to share them in public but to be aware of whether or not they will move the debate forward?

A6. I will not be releasing any documents personally. I doubt that anything new will be coming out anytime soon, if ever. There is already a huge amount of data to process and a lot of work to be done, so the focus should solely be on that for the near future.

Q7. A number of people have so far come forward and suggested lines of evidence that suggest that the Davis/Wilson document is not genuine. What have you to say about this?

A7. I have watched the discussion around the authenticity of the documents. People are free to believe whatever they want, but I would say, "Follow the evidence." Personally I have seen no evidence put up so far that would even remotely discredit the documents. I am with Richard Dolan and Grant Cameron, along with many others, in having no doubt that these documents are genuine.
Things are unfolding very quickly, so no doubt there will be more surprises to follow as these stories unfold.

Q8. I have been informed that your source for access to the documents, may have been Bob Staretz, a close friend of Mitchell, and someone who collaborated with Mitchell on his work on consciousness. Without naming the person who provided you with access to the original documents from the Mitchell files, can you provide any further information about them, even if only in general terms?

A8. I would rather not comment on anything in relation to the direct source of the documents due to my verbal NDA. I would hope that people respect this and understand what it has taken to get to the point we are at now.

Q9. At his point, is there anything further that you would like to say?

A9. Yes. I would like to reiterate and emphasise that while people would no doubt like to know the direct source of the documents, and my role in it, this is now just background noise and of little direct consequence in moving things forward. The authenticity of the documents has now been established beyond reasonable doubt, so if these documents are to be the catalyst that fundamentally changes the discussion, I would urge people to get behind Richard Dolan, Grant Cameron and numerous others now getting on board to get the job done.

If anyone has any information which would add to the discussion, or in fact, any further documents around these, or other issues which they are holding which they feel should be made public, please feel to make contact with us. Thanks.