Other 'Q' conversations, including some Questions and Answers

[RunningDeer]

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Solution:



Post 253 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107825-The-censorship-discussion.--&p=1304152&viewfull=1#post1304152)

Mod note:
I moved 26 off topic posts from this thread to their most appropriate booth.



Post 259 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107825-The-censorship-discussion.--&p=1304181&viewfull=1#post1304181)

How this, Hervé? I created a new thread called, "Q" Booth for Off Topic Posts from Other Threads (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107894-Q-Booth-for-Off-Topic-Posts-from-Other-Threads&p=1304177&viewfull=1#post1304177).



[...]
People in that thread ought not to be subjected to that crap.
[...]

Nor do the people on this thread :)

[PurpleLama]

Nice. Did you really do that, Paula?

[RunningDeer]

Nice. Did you really do that, Paula?

Yes... a fair and reasonable solution.


https://i.imgur.com/kzxVOv9.gif

[Valerie Villars]

Paula. You are the best. :) Dear Deer.

[mountain_jim]

Now that I had time to find this thread...

Speaking of what looks to me like censorship, I took offense to be collectively labeled as a parasite in a post which is linked below and still present, by posting my forum years of membership, number of thanks, etc.

The post below illustrates that this level of arrogance and insults to certain longstanding members of this forum appears to be supported by the forum powers-that-be, since this and similar posts from this member are ok,

where-as my response was removed.

Billl's nice statement to reply that I am definitely not considered a parasite still contains a quote from my post, but my post defending participants in the Q thread and research process we support was removed, with no notice to me as to why or by whom.

The irony is that the post and member I was responding to demonstrates the insult-driven, close-mindedness that he ascribes collectively to some of us 'other' members and this apparently is ok to those claiming the high-ground in this forum.

It is Avalon's current, apparent, collective support of this point-of-view and this kind of member-behavior that illustrates to me that the forum leadership no longer judges its members equally, or applies equivalent restraint when members collectively trash other members intelligence or reasoning ability for a research topic that is now showing real effects in the world (Epstein arrest - Mossad blackmailing likely to be exposed, NXIVM trials, pedophile arrests, etc. - all Q subject areas well before current events.)


gentle, wise and brilliant old soulshttp://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1300491&viewfull=1#post1300491



Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?
Posted by AutumnW (here)
The problem, Warree, is energy. Those who are emotional extremists are highly susceptible to being duped, getting all jazzed about it. They overpower forums because they believe they have "seen the light." I can't compete on my own here and most of the antiQ crowd has left. This is how these duping programs work. They over power any dissent and dissenters end up disillusioned and leave forums.

This will be the eventual outcome here, I am afraid.

The Q anon phenomenon encourages Narcissistic thinking. Followers believe they are special, have inside knowledge etc... They're like Jehovah's Witnesses on meth.

'



Eventual' outcome? I say it's here. If a forum relentlessly coddles the sealed shut minded, insulting, arrogant, energy draining parasites in the name of 'tolerance', all it will get are more and more closed minded parasites.

The parasites own Avalon now - the contentious topics that are most important to defining the 'tone' of Avalon - are now dominated by the hopelessly programmed - the ones not in the least interested in learning, least of all what they may be wrong about.

The gentle, wise and brilliant old souls and teachers never stay very long for being instantly swarmed and treated with disrespect.

Imagine if Avalon held a very high standard and was known for being strictly a collective of only very wise, deeply read, open hearted listeners, sharers and discussers? There are millions looking for kindred spirits with no place to gather.

I'm realizing that BEING AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO IT RIGHT is the ONLY THING that nudges any self-reflection in those with armored shells - not endless explaining and the 'tolerant' effort of letting them repeat and repeat their shallow, despicable habits which is just hardening and hardening their armor even more.


[mod note from Hervé: MJ, your post wasn't deleted; it was moved in a batch of 22 posts:

Ras-le-bol:

I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters/page516). ...]


And moved again - oh well.

[robinr1]

mountain jim

your post is 1000 percent accurate and much appreciated.

[edina]

things that make you say, hmmmm.....

I had not read that post by xxxxxx, holy cow!!!!

(shaking my head)

sounds downright hateful

[edina]

things that make you say, hmmmm.....

I had not read that post by xxxxxx, holy cow!!!!

(shaking my head)

sounds downright hateful[/QUOTE]

Meanwhile, the people in the Q thread are working together in upbeat, kind, and collaborative ways.

We were discussing the Epstein issue over a year ago, because it was brought up in the Q posts.

It's only now breaking news for people not following Q.

There's plenty more issues just like the Epstein one.

At this point, I'm not certain people who want to understand or learn more about Q should join Avalon.

I am shocked with how we have been represented and talked about, just learning all of this in the last few days and week.

There are better places to go. Qproofs.com is a good place to start.

[PurpleLama]

While Autumn may share an entirely different ideology, she shares many characteristics of bsbray/a voice from the mountains.

[Valerie Villars]

I don't understand how reading a thread on a forum makes me part of a cult. I read many threads and many opinions. I don't think I'm special or rigid in my thinking and I especially don't think anyone should be telling me what is good for me. I have to figure that out for myself, the same as anyone with half a brain.

If this forum doesn't want the thread to be publlc, well I'm okay with that. It's not my forum.

What I can't understand is the mind set of pigeon holing people. That is rigid thinking.

There was a whisper campaign not too long ago which caused a great deal of misunderstanding.

I'm out on this thread as I see too much attacking going on. It's really a shame.

[PurpleLama]

I don't understand how reading a thread on a forum makes me part of a cult. I read many threads and many opinions. I don't think I'm special or rigid in my thinking and I especially don't think anyone should be telling me what is good for me. I have to figure that out for myself, the same as anyone with half a brain.

If this forum doesn't want the thread to be publlc, well I'm okay with that. It's not my forum.

What I can't understand is the mind set of pigeon holing people. That is rigid thinking.

There was a whisper campaign not too long ago which caused a great deal of misunderstanding.

I'm out on this thread as I see too much attacking going on. It's really a shame.

Excellent imput, VV. BTW, cornbread is in every way superior to french bread, as a companion to beans. :ROFL:

[Valerie Villars]

Corn bread vs. french bread. Wanna fight about it? :)

[edina]

Corn bread vs. french bread. Wanna fight about it? :)

Both have their place,
I'm partial to cornbread, because I make great cornbread!

:)

[RunningDeer]

While Autumn may share an entirely different ideology, she shares many characteristics of bsbray/a voice from the mountains.

Slight correction: AutumnW vs. Autumn
The most recent post by Autumn was October, 11 2012 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50758-Yet-Another-False-Flag-Shooting-Most-Likely&p=567362&viewfull=1#post567362) (post search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=17864750))
“Her” last activity was April 12, 2015.


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[PurpleLama]

While Autumn may share an entirely different ideology, she shares many characteristics of bsbray/a voice from the mountains.

Slight correction: AutumnW vs. Autumn
The most recent post by Autumn was October, 11 2012 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50758-Yet-Another-False-Flag-Shooting-Most-Likely&p=567362&viewfull=1#post567362) (post search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=17864750))
“Her” last activity was April 12, 2015.


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I said Autumn, but specifically I meant Autumn W.

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Corn bread vs. french bread. Wanna fight about it? :)

Both have their place,
I'm partial to cornbread, because I make great cornbread!

:)

South Mississippi vs South Louisiana, bring it on.

My cayenne is hotter than your tobasco, prove me wrong.

[mojo]

Not if I slip in a Ghost Pepper...;)

[PurpleLama]

Not if I slip in a Ghost Pepper...;)

I got those growing, too. But, that's not fair....

[AutumnW]

Another fine mess. Deleted per Edina's request. Perhaps PLlama you could do the same with misattributed quotes. Thanks.

[edina]

things that make you say, hmmmm.....

I had not read that post by AutumnW, holy cow!!!!

(shaking my head)

sounds downright hateful


Perhaps you ought to take the time to follow the flow of the conversation better.

I did a full reply quote from an earlier post.

And thanks for clarifying that some of those words were written by waves.

At this point, I'm beyond disgusted.

[jcking]

We were discussing the Epstein issue over a year ago, because it was brought up in the Q posts.

It's only now breaking news for people not following Q.

Edina- You seriously believe only Q followers had heard of Epstein's case- you're talking about the notorious billionaire with the $56 million dollar mansion in the middle of the largest city in the States?
I realize a lot of Q followers are completely opposed to reading any kind of conventional news, but this guy has been infamous for decades. I mean, I remember when he got arrested the last time, 10 years ago, and he'd been a known danger for at least a decade at that point.

Oh, by the way, maybe you don't know this- one of the leads on the Epstein case is none other than James Comey's daughter.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/07/daughter-of-ex-fbi-director-comey-is-prosecutor-in-epstein-case-report/
Does that square with the Q narrative?

[mountain_jim]

Now that I had time to find this thread...

[mod note from Hervé: MJ, your post wasn't deleted; it was moved in a batch of 22 posts:

Ras-le-bol:

I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters/page516). ...]


While I appreciate that explanation, the post I was replying to, Bill' response, and following responses to that post were all left in same place - so perhaps you can understand why it looked to me like my post was singled out.

And I apologize for a poor quote situation - the post I was commenting on was by waves, replying to AutumnW's post which was only the first section.


[Mod note from Hervé: posts which are completely off topic for this thread and which I am going to move to their proper booth, again!]

[edina]

We were discussing the Epstein issue over a year ago, because it was brought up in the Q posts.

It's only now breaking news for people not following Q.

Edina- You seriously believe only Q followers have heard of Epstein's case- you're talking about the notorious billionaire with the $56 million dollar mansion in the middle of the largest city in the States?
I realize a lot of Q followers are completely opposed to reading any kind of conventional news, but this guy has been infamous for decades. I mean, I remember when he got arrested the last time, 10 years ago, and he'd been a known danger for at least a decade at that point.

Oh, by the way, maybe you don't know this- one of the leads on the Epstein case is none other than James Comey's daughter.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/07/daughter-of-ex-fbi-director-comey-is-prosecutor-in-epstein-case-report/
Does that square with the Q narrative?

I am aware of the story, but it is likely not accurate.

It's too early to know who has been assigned to the case.

We'll see as it unfolds.

And I don't think just people who follows Q posts were aware the overall Epstein story.

We were aware of the ongoing investigation in the background.

And the photos from inside the buildings there.

[PurpleLama]

Now that I had time to find this thread...

Speaking of what looks to me like censorship, I took offense to be collectively labeled as a parasite in a post which is linked below and still present, by posting my forum years of membership, number of thanks, etc.

The post below illustrates that this level of arrogance and insults to certain longstanding members of this forum appears to be supported by the forum powers-that-be, since this and similar posts from this member are ok,

where-as my response was removed.

Billl's nice statement to reply that I am definitely not considered a parasite still contains a quote from my post, but my post defending participants in the Q thread and research process we support was removed, with no notice to me as to why or by whom.

The irony is that the post and member I was responding to demonstrates the insult-driven, close-mindedness that he ascribes collectively to some of us 'other' members and this apparently is ok to those claiming the high-ground in this forum.

It is Avalon's current, apparent, collective support of this point-of-view and this kind of member-behavior that illustrates to me that the forum leadership no longer judges its members equally, or applies equivalent restraint when members collectively trash other members intelligence or reasoning ability for a research topic that is now showing real effects in the world (Epstein arrest - Mossad blackmailing likely to be exposed, NXIVM trials, pedophile arrests, etc. - all Q subject areas well before current events.)


gentle, wise and brilliant old souls

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1300491&viewfull=1#post1300491



Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?
Posted by AutumnW (here)
The problem, Warree, is energy. Those who are emotional extremists are highly susceptible to being duped, getting all jazzed about it. They overpower forums because they believe they have "seen the light." I can't compete on my own here and most of the antiQ crowd has left. This is how these duping programs work. They over power any dissent and dissenters end up disillusioned and leave forums.

This will be the eventual outcome here, I am afraid.

The Q anon phenomenon encourages Narcissistic thinking. Followers believe they are special, have inside knowledge etc... They're like Jehovah's Witnesses on meth.
'Eventual' outcome? I say it's here. If a forum relentlessly coddles the sealed shut minded, insulting, arrogant, energy draining parasites in the name of 'tolerance', all it will get are more and more closed minded parasites.

The parasites own Avalon now - the contentious topics that are most important to defining the 'tone' of Avalon - are now dominated by the hopelessly programmed - the ones not in the least interested in learning, least of all what they may be wrong about.

The gentle, wise and brilliant old souls and teachers never stay very long for being instantly swarmed and treated with disrespect.

Imagine if Avalon held a very high standard and was known for being strictly a collective of only very wise, deeply read, open hearted listeners, sharers and discussers? There are millions looking for kindred spirits with no place to gather.

I'm realizing that BEING AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO IT RIGHT is the ONLY THING that nudges any self-reflection in those with armored shells - not endless explaining and the 'tolerant' effort of letting them repeat and repeat their shallow, despicable habits which is just hardening and hardening their armor even more.


things that make you say, hmmmm.....

I had not read that post by AutumnW, holy cow!!!!

(shaking my head)

sounds downright hateful

Edina,

Perhaps you should take more care when highlighting quotes. Most of the text you lifted from that thread, was written by Waves. Not I. But it serves to illustrate my point. So thank you. When people are emotionally riled up and on a tear, they get things wrong.

This is my part of the quoted "downright hatefullness." Oh, btw, did any of you other drama and conflict queens go to the posted link and check its veracity?

Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
The problem, Warree, is energy. Those who are emotional extremists are highly susceptible to being duped, getting all jazzed about it. They overpower forums because they believe they have "seen the light." I can't compete on my own here and most of the antiQ crowd has left. This is how these duping programs work. They over power any dissent and dissenters end up disillusioned and leave forums.

This will be the eventual outcome here, I am afraid.

The Q anon phenomenon encourages Narcissistic thinking. Followers believe they are special, have inside knowledge etc... They're like Jehovah's Witnesses on meth.

To be observant, you post insults directed at other members all the time. Perhaps, you do so unintentionally. At any rate, it is an honest mistake.

I actually chided you for that very thing, earlier in this thread.

[jcking]

This is what happens when people only get their news from anonymous 8chan posts.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comeys-daughter-named-to-epstein-prosecution-team

Maurene Comey, an assistant U.S. attorney, was named alongside Alex Rossmiller and Alison Moe as the prosecutors assisting Berman with the case. James Comey, who was fired as FBI director in 2017 by President Trump, had been a U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York before he became deputy attorney general under President George W. Bush.

[mountain_jim]

I apologize AutumnW, the copy of the complete original post lost the attribution to waves and I did not catch that the reply appeared all part of your post.

I did edit it to fix just now, but the post was moved on me back to this thread while trying to do so.

[edina]

This is what happens when people only get their news from anonymous 8chan posts.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comeys-daughter-named-to-epstein-prosecution-team

Maurene Comey, an assistant U.S. attorney, was named alongside Alex Rossmiller and Alison Moe as the prosecutors assisting Berman with the case. James Comey, who was fired as FBI director in 2017 by President Trump, had been a U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York before he became deputy attorney general under President George W. Bush.

That's an inaccurate assumption on your part.

The reason why I consider it too soon to know who was put on the team was because I listened to an attorney calling this article out.

That was a few days ago though. And I haven't looked recently.

If I come across that source link again, I'll share here.

[AutumnW]

A mess of quotes. Edina requested deleted. There you go.

[edina]

Over half the text you attributed to me was written by someone else. Please edit or remove it. Thank you.

I can and will delete all the texts.

I honestly don't care anymore.

[jcking]

It's an incredible assumption on your part that others not following Q hadn't heard of billionaire Epstein, I'm using a similarly flippant assumption to show you how silly it looks to group together the other 7.5 billion people on Earth and their collective knowledge, in this case about a supposedly obscure person who is actually one of the richest people on the planet, who is also a socialite and a very notorious pedophile. Let me know when you find that source.

[PurpleLama]

Quote from jcking:


Re: The 'censorship' discussion. :)
It's an incredible assumption on your part that others not following Q hadn't heard of billionaire Epstein, I'm using a similarly flippant assumption to show you how silly it looks to group together the other 7.5 billion people on Earth and their collective knowledge. Let me know when you find that source.


I've been aware of Epstein for a long time, and it's obvious that Comey should recuse herself, due to the Clinton connection. Is the MSM calling for that?

[AutumnW]

No problem Mountain Jim.

[AutumnW]

To be observant, you post insults directed at other members all the time. Perhaps, you do so unintentionally. At any rate, it is an honest mistake.

I actually chided you for that very thing, earlier in this thread. ---- Purple Llama

I have been highly critical of any groups whose participants engage in belief that runs counter to evidence. I am very sorry if I have offended you -- and I mean that sincerely.

[edina]

AutumnW will you delete the texts from your own posts as well?

[mountain_jim]

No problem Mountain Jim.

Thanks. I did manage to edit mine while it was jumping around, but can't address the error in the quoted replies.

[PurpleLama]

Another fine mess. Deleted per Edina's request. Perhaps PLlama you could do the same with misattributed quotes. Thanks.

I have never misattributed any quote of yours, I have only quoted you directly.

If you can demonstrate otherwise, I would gladly retract.

*So the house cleaning continues??? I suggest a separate thread, because the research thread is not the one. Perhaps the opposing viewpoint thread?

[AutumnW]

I care a lot for this forum. I disagree with the " shadowban" (for lack of a better term). But, letting a favored right wing poster ( avftm) run roughshod over other members for too long before banning, is no good reason to let just as many get run over by a very few from the opposite end. Real liberty lovers love fairness above all.

And to be fair, a lot of people who were unaware of many so called conspiracy theories, are now aware, thanks to Q. Not me, my tin foil hat is a mile high, but to those who scream hoax, well the proof is in the pudding, and one of my first posts in this thread spoke directly into that. Q has reached more people than we could have. Our analysis of such is valuable.

But please, AutumnW et al, keep bitching. If it makes you feel better, because right now you seem disingenuous, and I don't care.

***Disclaimer, I don't really follow Q.

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Wow. So the post I was composing in the other thread was preemptively moved???

I'm gone. Just wanted to clear things up on my end. And I was sincere when I apologized if I offended you. I have to tone it down. I get it. I mentioned this the other day to Edina. I have been too insulting. So let's agree to disagree on this and carry on.:beer: Here, have a beer on me.

[edina]

I care a lot for this forum. I disagree with the " shadowban" (for lack of a better term). But, letting a favored right wing poster ( avftm) run roughshod over other members for too long before banning, is no good reason to let just as many get run over by a very few from the opposite end. Real liberty lovers love fairness above all.

And to be fair, a lot of people who were unaware of many so called conspiracy theories, are now aware, thanks to Q. Not me, my tin foil hat is a mile high, but to those who scream hoax, well the proof is in the pudding, and one of my first posts in this thread spoke directly into that. Q has reached more people than we could have. Our analysis of such is valuable.

But please, AutumnW et al, keep bitching. If it makes you feel better, because right now you seem disingenuous, and I don't care.

***Disclaimer, I don't really follow Q.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Wow. So the post I was composing in the other thread was preemptively moved???

I'm gone. Just wanted to clear things up on my end. And I was sincere when I apologized if I offended you. I have to tone it down. I get it. I mentioned this the other day to Edina. I have been too insulting. So let's agree to disagree on this and carry on.:beer: Here, have a beer on me.

Thank you AutumnW, much appreciated. :)

[PurpleLama]

Another fine mess. Deleted per Edina's request. Perhaps PLlama you could do the same with misattributed quotes. Thanks.



I care a lot for this forum. I disagree with the " shadowban" (for lack of a better term). But, letting a favored right wing poster ( avftm) run roughshod over other members for too long before banning, is no good reason to let just as many get run over by a very few from the opposite end. Real liberty lovers love fairness above all.

And to be fair, a lot of people who were unaware of many so called conspiracy theories, are now aware, thanks to Q. Not me, my tin foil hat is a mile high, but to those who scream hoax, well the proof is in the pudding, and one of my first posts in this thread spoke directly into that. Q has reached more people than we could have. Our analysis of such is valuable.

But please, AutumnW et al, keep bitching. If it makes you feel better, because right now you seem disingenuous, and I don't care.

***Disclaimer, I don't really follow Q.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Wow. So the post I was composing in the other thread was preemptively moved???

I'm gone. Just wanted to clear things up on my end. And I was sincere when I apologized if I offended you. I have to tone it down. I get it. I mentioned this the other day to Edina. I have been too insulting. So let's agree to disagree on this and carry on.:beer: Here, have a beer on me.

Thank you. I likewise apologize if I was in any way untoward. These on either end of a debate have their own feelings, their own views and perspectives, and everyone should be respected. Name calling in general isn't cool, and insinuations even less so. That's why I tend to be nice until I feel like I need to be pointy.

I am sure you mean well, and you're passionate about what you believe, but we all need to examine our own blinders just as much as we need to examine another's.

Please.

[PurpleLama]

You realize, you may have created the most contentious thread, yet?

Haha, I'm so glad you do what you do.

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I still say my cayenne is better that any tobasco....

[Forest Denizen]

One of the attributes I regard with greatest esteem is a good sense of humor!!
:ROFL: :ROFL:

[PurpleLama]

One of the attributes I regard with greatest esteem is a good sense of humor!!
:ROFL: :ROFL:

Hopefully you can reach the rest of the mods! I haven't lost hope for Mike, either!

[mgray]

This is what happens when people only get their news from anonymous 8chan posts.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comeys-daughter-named-to-epstein-prosecution-team

Maurene Comey, an assistant U.S. attorney, was named alongside Alex Rossmiller and Alison Moe as the prosecutors assisting Berman with the case. James Comey, who was fired as FBI director in 2017 by President Trump, had been a U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York before he became deputy attorney general under President George W. Bush.

Both Comey and AG Alberto R. Gonzales had to sign off on Acost's plea agreement with Epstein. Surely a US Attorney in Miami could not have pulled the trigger on the deal without checking with DC.

[Valerie Villars]

While Autumn may share an entirely different ideology, she shares many characteristics of bsbray/a voice from the mountains.

Slight correction: AutumnW vs. Autumn
The most recent post by Autumn was October, 11 2012 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50758-Yet-Another-False-Flag-Shooting-Most-Likely&p=567362&viewfull=1#post567362) (post search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=17864750))
“Her” last activity was April 12, 2015.


https://i.imgur.com/Wk9rBLD.gif

I said Autumn, but specifically I meant Autumn W.

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Corn bread vs. french bread. Wanna fight about it? :)

Both have their place,
I'm partial to cornbread, because I make great cornbread!

:)

South Mississippi vs South Louisiana, bring it on.

My cayenne is hotter than your tobasco, prove me wrong.

I can't. I ADORE cayenne. Cajun vs. Creole. prove me wrong. Cayenne is Creole. Tobasco is Cajun.

:focus:

[Gracy]

I've personally made the decision to deeply question q material on other threads, to give y'all this quiet room to discuss things amongst yourselves, but when my last two posts have been deemed off topic elsewhere, which i have no problem with by the way, they wind up here and i apologize for the seeming toe stepping.

I would love to have conversations with you guys about this, ask questions and yes politely challenge, but only if you decide to leave home base to do so on another thread. I find this latest alt media phenom absolutly facinating, and am very interested in hearing from the horses mouth so to speak. But not here.


I was going to reply to your questions in the other thread before they were moved. A better call might have been to move them onto the off-topic Q Booth thread rather than disrupt the flow of this one.

Sargon of Akkad released a show yesterday discussing the very things you were asking about. If you’ve got any follow up questions after watching just reply on the Q off topic thread (which should really be renamed the “Q partisan political debates” thread imo).

_nhxjJi1cJ0

Hi Jayke, so i watched the video and, it reminded me greatly of listening to Glen Beck yesterday spend a full half hour segment trying to make it sound reasonable that, the guy wearing a crown and looking like Caesar in sargons video is telling duly elected congress women to go back and fix their home countries.

3 of the 4 are native born Americans, and going back home to fix also reminded me of him talking about s--thole countries. since when is criticizing the US not ok? Omar talked about aipac being all about the Benjamins, meaning all about money of coarse, is that really anti semitic and hate filled? Just for one example.
I'm not politically aligned with these 4, but i do happen to agree with Omar about aipac, and, since when is Israel the saint teresa of this world never to be criticized, dont they over see the world's largest prison, and bomb people at will with our blessings and no consequence? Just like we do?

I have a boatload of criticisms for the country i love, and i'll be more than happy to tell anyone who cares to listen about them, but i do not pledge my allegiance to any god or government, which these 4 do, so, should i be invited to go back where my great grand parents came from?

I think this is a good start, one simpl subject so, what do you think about this? :)

[Jayke]

I have always found Trumps connections to Israel to be dubious. It’s an area I’m still researching myself and looking into more deeply. The Zionist billionaires behind Epstein (https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/17/epstein-and-the-american-lie-machine/) were the same ones pushing the AIPAC agendas. If Trump was as deeply comprimised as people fear he is, I doubt he would’ve allowed the Epstein arrests to go through.

Israel is a complex topic, not everyone in Israel and not all Jews support the Zionist, Babylonian Talmudic, sabbatean agendas. There are factions in Israel just as their are factions everywhere else, as can be expected in any complex system. With many Israelis fighting to expose their own criminal elements within government, just as we are to fighting the criminal elements of our own on the Q threads.

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As for the rhetoric surrounding “the squad” it’s just political theatre, highlighting the double standards that are found in the extremes of the Democratic Party. Even moderate Democrats have come out recently and said Trump is “politically brilliant”.

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There is an ideological war being waged at the moment between morality vs pragmatism. Moral people get emotionally triggered when a moral is violated in order to achieve a particular outcome. Pragmatic people think the end justifies the means, and that the ethics of long term outcomes take precedent over immediate moral outrage.

Is either ideology better than the other? They both have their strengths and weaknesses. The overall dynamic though is one of creating “well tempered virtues”, it’s a restoration of virtue as oppose to a decline into immorality. It’s a process that’s still playing out and will continue for another couple years most likely.

[ulli]

The real secret of Israel goes back to the Ottoman Empire days, when Israel was still Palestine.
Specifically to the middle of the 19th century.
One clue: nothing is ever what it seems at first glance.
Another clue, to find the bottom of this one needs to study not just one book, but dozens.
And perhaps invest years of dedicated research.

[Gracy]

Hi Jake, well first of, it should be a given that when we criticize, say, the US and Israel, we are talking about the government and not the people. The people have no say.
Now as a researcher, i think you should already be up to speed on what the Zionist Israeli government is all about. A lot in common with our good friends the Saudi royalty as well? We make sure they are both armed to the teeth to be our trained attack dogs, dont we?


Like i said before i'm not big on videos as replies but, I did watch the last one with that smug ultra right wing guy who may as well be Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh, or iPod or x22 for that matter. Hardly a neutral opinion guy... I guess this is the maestros political genius shining through and not love it or leave it? Perhaps we just have to agree to disagree but, i see no 5d chess being played there, what i see there scares me but perhaps i am just naive.


So as a follow up question, do q followers really believe that once the vile left, has been vanquished, the mass arrests are complete, everything will be ok again? God will warmly smile upon us, the right is right, has all the answers, and will carry proudly forward the American worldwide bannor of freedom and liberty for all? Is that the end goal in all of this? Just squash the left, and to hell with the ever still present mil industrial complex or any of that side garbage?

I can see John Bolten and Mike Pompeo cheering from the side lines lol.

[Ratszinger]

Hi Jake, well first of, it should be a given that when we criticize, say, the US and Israel, we are talking about the government and not the people. The people have no say.
Now as a researcher, i think you should already be up to speed on what the Zionist Israeli government is all about. A lot in common with our good friends the Saudi royalty as well? We make sure they are both armed to the teeth to be our trained attack dogs, dont we?


Like i said before i'm not big on videos as replies but, I did watch the last one with that smug ultra right wing guy who may as well be Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh, or iPod or x22 for that matter. Hardly a neutral opinion guy... I guess this is the maestros political genius shining through and not love it or leave it? Perhaps we just have to agree to disagree but, i see no 5d chess being played there, what i see there scares me but perhaps i am just naive.


So as a follow up question, do q followers really believe that once the vile left, has been vanquished, the mass arrests are complete, everything will be ok again? God will warmly smile upon us, the right is right, has all the answers, and will carry proudly forward the American worldwide bannor of freedom and liberty for all? Is that the end goal in all of this? Just squash the left, and to hell with the ever still present mil industrial complex or any of that side garbage?

I can see John Bolten and Mike Pompeo cheering from the side lines lol.

Some probably do believe that but lets face it Gaia made a good living off people that love to wear rose colored glasses for everything they see to make it all peachy and to give them that warm fuzzy that comes with the high of learning new information and the thrill of being aware enough to be on the cutting edge! This is how they sell what they are selling to you I agree. I don't see Q (the actual Q) profiting off this but many that interpret the post do most certainly. However, most of these were already doing some channel where they offered commentary on something else offering the same effect physiologically. We all do this to some extent but personally I think most here did not come down with the last drop of rain as you seem to want to suggest here.

Those wise enough know there are no white hats there are only black hats and for the most part they've all been thick as thieves but now the focus since Obama came and went seems to be this clever division line they draw right down the country. Q is as big a part of that divide as anyone right there on the right wing extreme side pushing the agenda while Pelosi, Schumer, and all the rest push their agenda. This tit for tat was going on already even before Q. I see Q simply as the right wing response to the control the left has over information exchange, which until this past election was pretty much in their control until DJT came in using one of their own communication tools (Twitter) to kick their a$$es right out of Dodge!

[Ratszinger]

Oh but in answer to your question Macy no things won't be all great and super. Gang wars just mean one gang gets bumped and another takes over or the one attempting to take over gets defeated and becomes another failed attempt but either way it's just another gang leading the world no different really other than the fact their philosophy of how things should go would differ. Still pirates though either way.

[Gracy]

Oh but in answer to your question Macy no things won't be all great and super. Gang wars just mean one gang gets bumped and another takes over or the one attempting to take over gets defeated and becomes another failed attempt but either way it's just another gang leading the world no different really other than the fact their philosophy of how things should go would differ. Still pirates though either way.

Well thank you for that Ratszinger, truly, so then may i ask you, which "gang" is the q crowd rallying around?

Which "pirate"?

[KiwiElf]

The real secret of Israel goes back to the Ottoman Empire days, when Israel was still Palestine.
Specifically to the middle of the 19th century.
One clue: nothing is ever what it seems at first glance.
Another clue, to find the bottom of this one needs to study not just one book, but dozens.
And perhaps invest years of dedicated research.

So true ulli - would anyone fully understand the "Lord of the Rings" Trilogy of movies by only watching the trailers, or only the Introduction to the Book?

Study both the book, AND the movies. (as a minimum). ;)

[Gracy]

[CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN]
Q
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1306259#post1306259


I want now to ask q fans why the above just posted sounds so familiar. Lets talk.

https://www.amazon.com/Change-We-Can-Believe-Americas/dp/0307460452

[ClearWater]

[CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN]
Q
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1306259#post1306259


I want now to ask q fans why the above just posted sounds so familiar. Lets talk.

https://www.amazon.com/Change-We-Can-Believe-Americas/dp/0307460452

My assumption would be that it's intended to be familiar, and that it's a direct reference to the former President. Typically, when Q has placed something in brackets like that, it's meant to infer that the person or thing in brackets is 'going down' (or something to that effect).

[KiwiElf]

[CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN]
Q
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1306259#post1306259


I want now to ask q fans why the above just posted sounds so familiar. Lets talk.

https://www.amazon.com/Change-We-Can-Believe-Americas/dp/0307460452

My assumption would be that it's intended to be familiar, and that it's a direct reference to the former President. Typically, when Q has placed something in brackets like that, it's meant to infer that the person or thing in brackets is 'going down' (or something to that effect).

That's correct, ClearWater. In regard to the Q drops, enclosing someone, or their initials, or some thing in brackets [...] is also referred to by the Anons as a "killbox", depending on the context. It pays to look at the entire Q drop in context and the included images & link (s).
This is what it refers to (self explanatory if one studies the 2 x images & opens the Twitter link contained in that drop).

https://twitter.com/TrumpStudents/status/1153772830108069890

BREAKING: The DOJ has announced they’re opening an antitrust probe into social media companies.
“Without the discipline of meaningful market-based competition, digital platforms may act in ways that are not responsive to consumer demands."

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[KiwiElf]

Hi Jake, well first of, it should be a given that when we criticize, say, the US and Israel, we are talking about the government and not the people. The people have no say.
Now as a researcher, i think you should already be up to speed on what the Zionist Israeli government is all about. A lot in common with our good friends the Saudi royalty as well? We make sure they are both armed to the teeth to be our trained attack dogs, dont we?


Like i said before i'm not big on videos as replies but, I did watch the last one with that smug ultra right wing guy who may as well be Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh, or iPod or x22 for that matter. Hardly a neutral opinion guy... I guess this is the maestros political genius shining through and not love it or leave it? Perhaps we just have to agree to disagree but, i see no 5d chess being played there, what i see there scares me but perhaps i am just naive.


So as a follow up question, do q followers really believe that once the vile left, has been vanquished, the mass arrests are complete, everything will be ok again? God will warmly smile upon us, the right is right, has all the answers, and will carry proudly forward the American worldwide bannor of freedom and liberty for all? Is that the end goal in all of this? Just squash the left, and to hell with the ever still present mil industrial complex or any of that side garbage?

I can see John Bolten and Mike Pompeo cheering from the side lines lol.

Not so much the government of that particular country, but Deep State individuals/players within that country, govt, group, military etc. Not all Saudi Princes are corrupt nor would it be fair to say that of the entire govt/military of Israel or the USA (or any other country).

Neither is it really about the left or the right. There are DS players in both camps.

As for avoiding the X22/iPod videos etc, you are missing out on a great deal of Very good analysis, IMO. Either one of those is just barely 30 mins a day of your time. Easy! ;)

[Jayke]

Hi Jake, well first of, it should be a given that when we criticize, say, the US and Israel, we are talking about the government and not the people. The people have no say.
Now as a researcher, i think you should already be up to speed on what the Zionist Israeli government is all about. A lot in common with our good friends the Saudi royalty as well? We make sure they are both armed to the teeth to be our trained attack dogs, dont we?

It’s precisely because I research that I understand theirs more to the Zionist narrative than most people imagine. The Zionists of the American Deep State have their puppet masters in the city of London. There’s a book called Jewish and Israelite Kingdoms (https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Israelite-Kingdoms-Foundational-Civilization/dp/0978578309) by Paul Levy. Levy was raised by a member of the Sassoon family, one the top families in Babylonian Talmudic Jewry. The Levy book is very interesting, not only does it have a 200 year chronological plan for the greater Israel project, it also looks at who the 12 tribes of Israel are. It’s s good book, high production value, well written content. One glaring omission, which is that there’s not a single Caucasian person in the entire book. The planned 12 tribes of Israel will adhere to the Kalergi plan if the Zionists have their way. Might want to keep that in mind when considering all the political theatre at the US southern border. Is Trump moving the Zionist plan forward or is he throwing spanner’s in the works to slow it down? Perhaps your expertise in Zionism could answer that?


Like i said before i'm not big on videos as replies but, I did watch the last one with that smug ultra right wing guy who may as well be Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh, or iPod or x22 for that matter. Hardly a neutral opinion guy... I guess this is the maestros political genius shining through and not love it or leave it? Perhaps we just have to agree to disagree but, i see no 5d chess being played there, what i see there scares me but perhaps i am just naive.

Dr Steve Turley, ultra right wing? :ROFL:

He’s a classical liberal conservative, he literally teaches classical education (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIFHqOS4iLc), classical music. His wife is Japanese and he has multi-racial kids. He’s an Orthodox Christian with traditional values that tracks conservative trends.

The ultra right wing, Dr Steve Turley, and his master race family of half cast kids!:facepalm:

https://samaritanministries.org/uploads/img/turley-post.jpg

How ‘ultra’ left does a persons political compass have to be to consider a liberal, classical conservative “ultra right wing”? Where would you self identify on the political compass Gracy? Last time I took the test, I was slightly left of centre?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

https://writemyline.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/composerspolitical.png?w=417&h=350


So as a follow up question, do q followers really believe that once the vile left, has been vanquished, the mass arrests are complete, everything will be ok again? God will warmly smile upon us, the right is right, has all the answers, and will carry proudly forward the American worldwide bannor of freedom and liberty for all? Is that the end goal in all of this? Just squash the left, and to hell with the ever still present mil industrial complex or any of that side garbage?

I can see John Bolten and Mike Pompeo cheering from the side lines lol.

Not in the slightest. Society will slowly organise around the level 7 character archetype (https://spiraldynamics.org/shop/clare-w-graves-levels-human-existence/) (as its already doing), the radical leftists will still be making a buzz but more and more people will see through their hysterics and people will give them less and less attention. They’ll just fade into obscurity as the cardinal energies of the level 8 archetype begin to signal a new tone. Then we’ll have another series of ideology wars as we approach the mutable phases between the level 7-8 dynamics. Clare Graves titled his book ‘The Never-Ending Quest’ for a reason. The level 8 dynamic operates from the lefts perspective, where a new set of currently unforeseen existential problems will have people acrimoniously fighting over yet new theatrics and dramas.

[Ratszinger]

Oh but in answer to your question Macy no things won't be all great and super. Gang wars just mean one gang gets bumped and another takes over or the one attempting to take over gets defeated and becomes another failed attempt but either way it's just another gang leading the world no different really other than the fact their philosophy of how things should go would differ. Still pirates though either way.

Well thank you for that Ratszinger, truly, so then may i ask you, which "gang" is the q crowd rallying around?

Which "pirate"?

Oh there are lots of pirates. Successful ones at the top are the Vatican, Rothschild, (London) D.C. (USA Military) triad but there is the Israeli gang which allied with the group think support, the Saudi gang, the Aussie gang, the Russian, Chinese and so on. All pirate families going way back through all these cultures each one with their unique history of looting and plundering the masses. What they've done now is simply start teaming up with each other into factions, and here stateside regardless of the Q BS and the LEFT wing media BS on that end what is taking place is nothing less than gang wars.

NY wants control of the once Bush controlled unlimited funds of huge value coming through that southern border of the USA. It's the silk road of this part of the world and LA wants it too and these two really went after it when ole man Bush died! But apparently Bush Jr. worked some arrangement out with whoever the group Trump belongs to is and got help to stand against them and keep control of it. From my perspective this entire last two years more or less is about that control of the dirty money biz coming through that southern border which I understand amounts to trillions of dollars which in turns means that which controls it has great power. Today's leaders are all the most successful pirates of yesteryear that is why it was crime family that started the Catholic church in the first place.

[Gracy]

My assumption would be that it's intended to be familiar, and that it's a direct reference to the former President. Typically, when Q has placed something in brackets like that, it's meant to infer that the person or thing in brackets is 'going down' (or something to that effect).

Ah okay, i follow along best i can but didnt know the nuance of the "kill box". Thanks for clearing that up ClearWater and Kiwi, my bad if this is so!

Ha, that reminds me now of Obama's, kill list was it called, for drone strikes? I wonder if Trump continues with that list still updating?


Not so much the government of that particular country, but Deep State individuals/players within that country, govt, group, military etc. Not all Saudi Princes are corrupt nor would it be fair to say that of the entire govt/military of Israel or the USA (or any other country).

Neither is it really about the left or the right. There are DS players in both camps.

As for avoiding the X22/iPod videos etc, you are missing out on a great deal of Very good analysis, IMO. Either one of those is just barely 30 mins a day of your time. Easy! ;)

Now this is nuance i know very well, and i've assumed we all know. of course the entirety of any government is not corrupt, but, what general body of authority carries out the drone strikes, the strangling sanctions, the coups, the false flags, the wars, and the propaganda? That would be "the government". If im in the milatary, i work for "the government".



It’s precisely because I research that I understand theirs more to the Zionist narrative than most people imagine. The Zionists of the American Deep State have their puppet masters in the city of London. There’s a book called Jewish and Israelite Kingdoms (https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Israelite-Kingdoms-Foundational-Civilization/dp/0978578309) by Paul Levy. Levy was raised by a member of the Sassoon family, one the top families in Babylonian Talmudic Jewry. The Levy book is very interesting, not only does it have a 200 year chronological plan for the greater Israel project, it also looks at who the 12 tribes of Israel are. It’s s good book, high production value, well written content. One glaring omission, which is that there’s not a single Caucasian person in the entire book. The planned 12 tribes of Israel will adhere to the Kalergi plan if the Zionists have their way.

I wasn't talking about this in that great of detail, Jayke, you obviously know much more than i do about the history and details, i was just talking about the deplorable forein policy of this particular nation state. They rape pillage and plunder, at will, with zero consequence, just as we do, just as the saudis do, and we make DAMN sure both are armed to the teeth to do so.




Might want to keep that in mind when considering all the political theatre at the US southern border. Is Trump moving the Zionist plan forward or is he throwing spanner’s in the works to slow it down? Perhaps your expertise in Zionism could answer that?
Lets talk about that southern border. Why is there such a problem in the first place with people compelled to flee there home countrys? Might it be the continual efforts of good ole uncle sam down there in our "back yard" constantly meddling in their affairs? Stirring up trouble, doing coups, creating strife and conflict, that sort of thing?


Dr Steve Turley, ultra right wing? :ROFL:

He’s a classical liberal conservative, he literally teaches classical education (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIFHqOS4iLc), classical music. His wife is Japanese and he has multi-racial kids. He’s an Orthodox Christian with traditional values that tracks conservative trends.

The ultra right wing, Dr Steve Turley, and his master race family of half cast kids!:facepalm:

i dont see what's so gosh dern funny about that Jayke lol. I watched that video and, i may as well have been listening to rush friggin limbaugh. I saw no impartiality there what- so- ever. He was preaching to his choir, same old us vs them, the far left libs do it too.

I didn't say he was a wite supremacist ffs, i said he was ultra right wing, and he is still imo, same as in Sean Hannity or FOX News. I see about as much "liberal" in his conservative as the names already mentioned, or i'll add to the similarities of so called "liberal" conservatives as Trump, Q, or or John Bolten. If we agree to disagree, thats fine.

Heres his web site, someone please point out anything "liberal" about his christian conservatism. And look, for the record i dont think being conservative, or even far right wing, is a bad thing, same with far left, think as thou will. But i will still call a spotted 50 pound dog, a spotted 50 pound dog.
https://www.turleytalks.com/

He has a beautiful family by the way. :)



Oh there are lots of pirates. Successful ones at the top are the Vatican, Rothschild, (London) D.C. (USA Military) triad but there is the Israeli gang which allied with the group think support, the Saudi gang, the Aussie gang, the Russian, Chinese and so on. All pirate families going way back through all these cultures each one with their unique history of looting and plundering the masses. What they've done now is simply start teaming up with each other into factions, and here stateside regardless of the Q BS and the LEFT wing media BS on that end what is taking place is nothing less than gang wars.

Huh, we're agreed then? What we're looking at is not Trump draining the swamp with the likes of bolten and Goldman Sachs guys, but a gang war? Or have i misread you because, i thought you were a Q fan?

Thank you for the well thought out answers everyone, i'm glad to have a platform to discuss these controversial matters in a respectful way!:heart:

[Ratszinger]

My assumption would be that it's intended to be familiar, and that it's a direct reference to the former President. Typically, when Q has placed something in brackets like that, it's meant to infer that the person or thing in brackets is 'going down' (or something to that effect).

Ah okay, i follow along best i can but didnt know the nuance of the "kill box". Thanks for clearing that up ClearWater and Kiwi, my bad if this is so!

Ha, that reminds me now of Obama's, kill list was it called, for drone strikes? I wonder if Trump continues with that list still updating?


Not so much the government of that particular country, but Deep State individuals/players within that country, govt, group, military etc. Not all Saudi Princes are corrupt nor would it be fair to say that of the entire govt/military of Israel or the USA (or any other country).

Neither is it really about the left or the right. There are DS players in both camps.

As for avoiding the X22/iPod videos etc, you are missing out on a great deal of Very good analysis, IMO. Either one of those is just barely 30 mins a day of your time. Easy! ;)

Now this is nuance i know very well, and i've assumed we all know. of course the entirety of any government is not corrupt, but, what general body of authority carries out the drone strikes, the strangling sanctions, the coups, the false flags, the wars, and the propaganda? That would be "the government". If im in the milatary, i work for "the government".



It’s precisely because I research that I understand theirs more to the Zionist narrative than most people imagine. The Zionists of the American Deep State have their puppet masters in the city of London. There’s a book called Jewish and Israelite Kingdoms (https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Israelite-Kingdoms-Foundational-Civilization/dp/0978578309) by Paul Levy. Levy was raised by a member of the Sassoon family, one the top families in Babylonian Talmudic Jewry. The Levy book is very interesting, not only does it have a 200 year chronological plan for the greater Israel project, it also looks at who the 12 tribes of Israel are. It’s s good book, high production value, well written content. One glaring omission, which is that there’s not a single Caucasian person in the entire book. The planned 12 tribes of Israel will adhere to the Kalergi plan if the Zionists have their way.

I wasn't talking about this in that great of detail, Jayke, you obviously know much more than i do about the history and details, i was just talking about the deplorable forein policy of this particular nation state. They rape pillage and plunder, at will, with zero consequence, just as we do, just as the saudis do, and we make DAMN sure both are armed to the teeth to do so.




Might want to keep that in mind when considering all the political theatre at the US southern border. Is Trump moving the Zionist plan forward or is he throwing spanner’s in the works to slow it down? Perhaps your expertise in Zionism could answer that?
Lets talk about that southern border. Why is there such a problem in the first place with people compelled to flee there home countrys? Might it be the continual efforts of good ole uncle sam down there in our "back yard" constantly meddling in their affairs? Stirring up trouble, doing coups, creating strife and conflict, that sort of thing?


Dr Steve Turley, ultra right wing? :ROFL:

He’s a classical liberal conservative, he literally teaches classical education (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIFHqOS4iLc), classical music. His wife is Japanese and he has multi-racial kids. He’s an Orthodox Christian with traditional values that tracks conservative trends.

The ultra right wing, Dr Steve Turley, and his master race family of half cast kids!:facepalm:

i dont see what's so gosh dern funny about that Jayke lol. I watched that video and, i may as well have been listening to rush friggin limbaugh. I saw no impartiality there what- so- ever. He was preaching to his choir, same old us vs them, the far left libs do it too.

I didn't say he was a wite supremacist ffs, i said he was ultra right wing, and he is still imo, same as in Sean Hannity or FOX News. I see about as much "liberal" in his conservative as the names already mentioned, or i'll add to the similarities of so called "liberal" conservatives as Trump, Q, or or John Bolten. If we agree to disagree, thats fine.

Heres his web site, someone please point out anything "liberal" about his christian conservatism. And look, for the record i dont think being conservative, or even far right wing, is a bad thing, same with far left, think as thou will. But i will still call a spotted 50 pound dog, a spotted 50 pound dog.
https://www.turleytalks.com/

He has a beautiful family by the way. :)



Oh there are lots of pirates. Successful ones at the top are the Vatican, Rothschild, (London) D.C. (USA Military) triad but there is the Israeli gang which allied with the group think support, the Saudi gang, the Aussie gang, the Russian, Chinese and so on. All pirate families going way back through all these cultures each one with their unique history of looting and plundering the masses. What they've done now is simply start teaming up with each other into factions, and here stateside regardless of the Q BS and the LEFT wing media BS on that end what is taking place is nothing less than gang wars.

Huh, we're agreed then? What we're looking at is not Trump draining the swamp with the likes of bolten and Goldman Sachs guys, but a gang war? Or have i misread you because, i thought you were a Q fan?

Thank you for the well thought out answers everyone, i'm glad to have a platform to discuss these controversial matters in a respectful way!:heart:

I follow Q sure enough and make no bones about it. I followed Parks, Goode, Wilcock, and more than I can remember also but to me it's no different here. They were all phenoms in their own right. Some of course still very much making impacts on large groups or large swatches of people depending on how you see. Its still a herding process or a grooming one. This shouldn't surprise any of us. If we study TV some you can see the trans agenda showing up in Hogan's Heroes in the 60's and then more so movies like Up In Smoke where at the end the one sings in a get up wearing panty hose and singing about cross dressing and rebellion. So again I see Q as a counter program to the one promoting other agendas nothing more or less but yes certainly I follow it. Why wouldn't you? It's historic.

[Gracy]

I reckon that depends on what you mean by "follow",and what you mean by "historic". I follow internet memes to study how manipulation and herding happens, especialy this latest one that is actually now going mainstream but, i dont know how historic they are. Do you feel that q is a historic event Ratszinger? Are you rooting for it, or just following it?

[Jayke]

It’s precisely because I research that I understand theirs more to the Zionist narrative than most people imagine. The Zionists of the American Deep State have their puppet masters in the city of London. There’s a book called Jewish and Israelite Kingdoms (https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Israelite-Kingdoms-Foundational-Civilization/dp/0978578309) by Paul Levy. Levy was raised by a member of the Sassoon family, one the top families in Babylonian Talmudic Jewry. The Levy book is very interesting, not only does it have a 200 year chronological plan for the greater Israel project, it also looks at who the 12 tribes of Israel are. It’s s good book, high production value, well written content. One glaring omission, which is that there’s not a single Caucasian person in the entire book. The planned 12 tribes of Israel will adhere to the Kalergi plan if the Zionists have their way.

I wasn't talking about this in that great of detail, Jayke, you obviously know much more than i do about the history and details, i was just talking about the deplorable forein policy of this particular nation state. They rape pillage and plunder, at will, with zero consequence, just as we do, just as the saudis do, and we make DAMN sure both are armed to the teeth to do so.




Might want to keep that in mind when considering all the political theatre at the US southern border. Is Trump moving the Zionist plan forward or is he throwing spanner’s in the works to slow it down? Perhaps your expertise in Zionism could answer that?
Lets talk about that southern border. Why is there such a problem in the first place with people compelled to flee there home countrys? Might it be the continual efforts of good ole uncle sam down there in our "back yard" constantly meddling in their affairs? Stirring up trouble, doing coups, creating strife and conflict, that sort of thing?


Dr Steve Turley, ultra right wing? :ROFL:

He’s a classical liberal conservative, he literally teaches classical education (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIFHqOS4iLc), classical music. His wife is Japanese and he has multi-racial kids. He’s an Orthodox Christian with traditional values that tracks conservative trends.

The ultra right wing, Dr Steve Turley, and his master race family of half cast kids!:facepalm:

i dont see what's so gosh dern funny about that Jayke lol. I watched that video and, i may as well have been listening to rush friggin limbaugh. I saw no impartiality there what- so- ever. He was preaching to his choir, same old us vs them, the far left libs do it too.

I didn't say he was a wite supremacist ffs, i said he was ultra right wing, and he is still imo, same as in Sean Hannity or FOX News. I see about as much "liberal" in his conservative as the names already mentioned, or i'll add to the similarities of so called "liberal" conservatives as Trump, Q, or or John Bolten. If we agree to disagree, thats fine.

Heres his web site, someone please point out anything "liberal" about his christian conservatism. And look, for the record i dont think being conservative, or even far right wing, is a bad thing, same with far left, think as thou will. But i will still call a spotted 50 pound dog, a spotted 50 pound dog.
https://www.turleytalks.com/

He has a beautiful family by the way. :)

Don’t worry, I’m not laughing at you. If you type “ultra right wing” into google, the images that come back are full-on, face-tattooed, beyond Neo-Nazi hooligans. The thought of Steve Turley being a pied piper with his classical guitar skills leading the march of fascism is a juxtaposition of concepts I find highly amusing.

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Dr Turley is a classic liberal conservative, in the traditional sense of the term, rather than the subjective skewed perception that’s been pushed by the mockingbird media.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism


Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. Closely related to economic liberalism, it developed in the early 19th century, building on ideas from the previous century as a response to urbanisation and to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and the United States.[1][2][3] Notable individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke,[4] Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus and David Ricardo. It drew on the classical economic ideas espoused by Adam Smith in Book One of The Wealth of Nations and on a belief in natural law,[5] utilitarianism[6] and progress.[7] The term classical liberalism has often been applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from social liberalism.[8]

“The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names” - Confucius (the rectification of names (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectification_of_names))

As to your other points. I did mention already that the Zionists in control of the American Deep State are based in The City of London. The planned destruction of the western world, and the rise of the greater Israel project don’t originate in the White House. It originates in the UN, which is an institutionalised construct to legitimate the mercentalistic tendencies of the British East India Trading company after World War 2. I did write a deeper analysis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1253748&viewfull=1#post1253748) of this point in the Q anon thread last year if you care to look into it further.

[Ratszinger]

I reckon that depends on what you mean by "follow",and what you mean by "historic". I follow internet memes to study how manipulation and herding happens, especialy this latest one that is actually now going mainstream but, i dont know how historic they are. Do you feel that q is a historic event Ratszinger? Are you rooting for it, or just following it?

I'm fascinated by it. Quite honestly Q presents more I agree with than what I hear in any of the mainstream news sites or reps on the left standing for most of what I simply don't agree with and to me Q represents more of the mindset of people when I grew up in the 60's. I'm comfortable with that. My wife is, my family is. It's more in line with my own thinking, that conservative leaning but only moderately. It's more meek, less in your face pushing value systems in you against your will. I mean don't get me wrong. It's not that I don't recognize the conservative mindset in and of itself is a program that people grew up with but that's just it. Q rejects the new programming from my perspective and while Q is more extreme right than me it represents more than the other side for my tastes personally so yes I'm hoping that mindset with or without Q survives and wins out. I know from living it that a stronger conservative life would be doable and for me much easier than a socialistic, no borders, kill full term baby killing for their organs life even with the problems associated with the far right.

[Gracy]

Its a shame we're kind of being herded toward one extreme or the other when, both sides could meet in the middle somewhere and work things out, like in a marriage. Not everyone on the left wants open borders or to abort babies after birth and, not everyone on the right wants to keep our prisons full or continue engaging the latest boogie man in endless war. Just a couple of for instances.

One thing i see glaringly lacking inQ, is, imo, no mind set to try and bridge any gaps between well meaning people who just happen to strongly disagree on certain core issues, quite the opposite actually. I dont think us vs them historicaly ends well.

[Ratszinger]

Its a shame we're kind of being herded toward one extreme or the other when, both sides could meet in the middle somewhere and work things out, like in a marriage. Not everyone on the left wants open borders or to abort babies after birth and, not everyone on the right wants to keep our prisons full or continue engaging the latest boogie man in endless war. Just a couple of for instances.

One thing i see glaringly lacking inQ, is, imo, no mind set to try and bridge any gaps between well meaning people who just happen to strongly disagree on certain core issues, quite the opposite actually. I dont think us vs them historicaly ends well.

You're right on there! We've known they have been fomenting a divide for some time. I know of for instances but in my own family for example, which is mostly all democrat even though they disagree with many of the things democrats stand for, they still support it and vote that way. Not all certainly but more than enough just don't want to look at the facts because it's too painful but they still vote that way even after family tells them sour facts.. My family is like many other hypocrites out there condemning anyone they hear of having an abortion but at the same time they voted it in each time. While what you say is true about Q not meeting in the middle, which I agree, he or she or they have said many times, "NO DEALS" so we know there is no negotiation left just divide getting worse by the week really. However while I agree with you on Q lets not lose sight of the fact the left won't meet in the middle either. When this gets violent I fully expect that the left will be the ones to start if off. They are always the ones going to 'peaceful protests' and flipping cars, or blocking highways but beating and kicking to dent or injure by broken glass when you resist. I expect that those behind the Q phenom figured out there was no deals on the left a long time ago. I mean if the left wins they fully intend to lock DJT up once out of office.

[Gracy]

No, i should have made clear the left is not going to budge either. The left would be foolish to fully engage this in the streets with antifa type bulls**t because they would be obliterated on that particulr battlefield. What i want to see, and be part of is, the battlefield of ideas. No street battles, no masses of "the others" being frog marched off to gitmo.

[Gracy]

I reckon this would be my next logical question, i asked it earlier but, got lost in all the hubub. I'm all ears, haven't heard any logical excuses for the following yet,

i know it's the washpo, but that doesn't change the documentation, it doesn't make it fake news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJIZkf347V4

Is this ok? It sure looks to this ole country gal that, hes a gettin his politico power trip rocks off on this, and makes no attempt to abort no matter what else he may say. Is there anything that Trump could do that the die hard q fan may frown upon? Does any q fan see this as even the least bit historically dangerous? If i'm missing something here more than happy to be corrected.

To me, he did not look the least bit displeased, he did not speak up quickly and, to boot, waited with perfecto politicians timing for the chant to die off on it's own before resuming.

[Jayke]

Trump disavowed the send her back chants.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505


"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant.
He did not elaborate on what he disagreed with.
"It was quite a chant and I felt a little bit badly about it," Mr Trump told reporters on Thursday. "I started speaking very quickly but it started up rather fast, as you probably noticed."

The modern day brown shirts are antifa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9fJwY7XkAAoxJ1.jpg

Trumps base might get riled up and carried away at rallies, but they’re not of the temperament to carry that onto the streets and start rounding people up like the Nazis rounded up Jews. The neocons couldn’t get public support for attacks on Iran, there’s no appetite in Trumps base for war, or other such Nazi type activities.

Hitlers Nationalist-Socialist movement took advantage of the level 5-6 character archetypes. Trumps base and Q followers are predominantly level 7 types. You could call it a national-populist movement rather than national-socialist movement.

Level 7 people are aggressive when attacking ideas, but largely pacifist when it comes to attacking people physically in person. So no, based on an understanding of the different character archetypes being galvanised at the moment, there’s no fear that society will regress to the 1940’s mindset.

Even Antifa are too few and far between to cause any major, long-term concern.

[Ratszinger]

If all we are going to do is look for faults and actions that we frown upon we would be tied up all day everyday focused on both parties because they both have faults and both these groups are composed of human beings that stumble. I put myself in Trump's place and I don't have any better suggestion for what to do there in that instance. Trump spoke out about it when he could. What exactly did you expect him to do wield his magic wand and hush the crowd of chanters? Timing was necessary as the crowd roar grew and the heat of the moment, he is shooting from the hip anyway cause I understand his teleprompter keeps being shut off. I don't see anything to be critical about over Trump here.

The crowd read and heard what the news media said and reacted to this and mostly its a reaction due to false reporting of what Trump said because the news broadcasts what they thought they heard him say often reading between the lines severely but missing what he said. As usual I might add. Trump clarified his statement and said he didn't like the chant. That means very little to you apparently but it's that bias to where you naturally lean doing that it's not your candidate. If it was you'd be more forgiving of it and then his statement would mean something.

Hillary can call blacks super predators and clarify it the next day and all the fans laugh. With Donald over the same subject of race they don't laugh they stay serious and unforgiving. Like you with Trump basically. I don't care for a lot about Trump but I can take him far easier than any candidate I see trying to be prez here in the running. I wouldn't vote for any one of the current democrats. That has nothing to do with Trump though. So yes I recognize I have bias too but that is key to being honest with yourself and in what you write. I'm at peace with how I feel about Q, Trump, and all the LEFTY players.

[Gracy]

Trump disavowed the send her back chants.

Yes Jayke, he can disavow all he wants, but, the footage of him just standing there reveling in the chant til it dies off speaks for itself.


What exactly did you expect him to do wield his magic wand and hush the crowd of chanters? Timing was necessary as the crowd roar grew and the heat of the moment, he is shooting from the hip anyway cause I understand his teleprompter keeps being shut off.

Simply put? Yes, he could have stopped that if he wanted to. He didnt want to. Shooting from the hip is what he does best.



The crowd read and heard what the news media said and reacted to this and mostly its a reaction due to false reporting of what Trump said because the news broadcasts what they thought they heard him say often reading between the lines severely but missing what he said.

Just me to you here i'm not talking about the media, i only watch them for sport to keep up on how they spread disinformation. I look at what the players say, and do, not what mockingbird media tells me to think about what i see and hear. This is what i saw leading up to this. The crowd one upped him by leaving out "then come back"


Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....


That means very little to you apparently but it's that bias to where you naturally lean doing that it's not your candidate.

What makes you think you know which way i lean Ratszinger?Because Hillary isnt front and center as president for me to critique and question why we have to be at war with Russia? Or any of the further damage her and her faction of "the family" would be causing?

Hey listen, everythings good here and i got my answer. I see an unsetling trend here, and y'all see things are okay. And that's okay we can agree to disagree, ain't nuttin but a thang as we say here round this neck of the woods. Thanks to you and Jayke for chiming in. :)

[mgray]

I lost 5 friends in 9-11. So when someone says "Some people did something" I do not hold their ideology in high regard.

[petra]

I don't understand how reading a thread on a forum makes me part of a cult. I read many threads and many opinions. I don't think I'm special or rigid in my thinking and I especially don't think anyone should be telling me what is good for me. I have to figure that out for myself, the same as anyone with half a brain.


Holy cow Valerie, that's what this Q business is starting to insinuate isn't it! Maybe some people think PA is like a cult too, and some of them might be right.

I smoke cigarettes, and no amount of nagging at me is going to get me to stop. IMO, the only way to stop smoking is to want to stop.

We know cigarettes are bad for us though, so I'll use my stupid nail painting example again. If I want to paint my stupid fingernails and glue things onto them, that's MY prerogative - and if people don't like it - they don't have to look at them :)

[Gracy]

I lost 5 friends in 9-11. So when someone says "Some people did something" I do not hold their ideology in high regard.

Send her back then?

[AutumnW]

Redundant. Point has been made.

[AutumnW]

The hard right is hyper focused on atrocities against children. I am sure this has become a Qanon focus as well. It is also part of a well established pattern of atrocity propaganda. Doesn't mean kids aren't being abused somewhere at any given time, but it is SO ramped up by the hard right and emerging neo-Nazi militarists and their campaigns I have to wonder if it is part of the program.

"Lurid tales purporting to unveil Jewish atrocities against Christians were widespread during the Middle Ages.[17] The charge against Jews of kidnapping and murdering Christian children to consume their blood during Passover became known as blood libel.[1"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

[AutumnW]

Here's a little thought experiment. Nobody reading this has to agree or disagree, it's just a thought I had last night.

What if there is a strong Christian fundamentalist contingent within the U.S military who wants to implement martial law at some point. Unfortunately for them they are up against a heavily armed population increasingly hostile to authority.

Say you are a general, one of a few who has tasked military intelligence to help change up the dynamics to soften the ground beforehand. How does military intelligence respond? You want the armed populace to believe that the soldiers marching down their streets are there to liberate children and round up pedophiles. That would work. Who'd interfere with that programme....if they believed that was the case.

Those who have never placed much stock in atrocity propaganda, can see through it...but they aren't a problem because most of them don't have guns!

Of course I think there is a possibility that this is actually happening. And if it is, it's a beautiful thing, from a trickster perspective. It is SO easy to dupe people.

[mgray]

I lost 5 friends in 9-11. So when someone says "Some people did something" I do not hold their ideology in high regard.

Send her back then?

There are no winners in this verbal bout between Trump and Omar.

https://twitter.com/QAnonPastryChef/status/1154088915415912449📁

[AutumnW]

MGray,

Didn't Omar merely draw comparisons between the ramp up of war in Iraq to what is currently happening in Iran? I believe she has also been accused of anti-semitism when her beef is with Israel's current government. I am not certain this is what you mean though. Has she made remarks that can be easily refuted or are radically out of line?

[mgray]

MGray,

Didn't Omar merely draw comparisons between the ramp up of war in Iraq to what is currently happening in Iran? I believe she has also been accused of anti-semitism when her beef is with Israel's current government. I am not certain this is what you mean though. Has she made remarks that can be easily refuted or are radically out of line?

Please see her 911 comment and the interview response on Twitter link above.
If you feel these are not are radically out of line, then we can just leave this conversation where it stands and agree to disagree.

[Valerie Villars]

mgray, the link doesn't work for me.

[Gracy]

Radically out of line, hands down. I tried to find the full interview but couldn't, just on the off chance that in between the splicing some context was missed whereas possibly she was being sarcastic in letting white people see how it feels to hear they need to be profiled.

If anyone knows where it is pls post. In the meantime, i'll stick with totally unacceptable.

[KiwiElf]

mgray, the link doesn't work for me.

Hi Val - just hit the link and delete the little folder off the end - it will work fine ;)

[AutumnW]

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MGray,

Didn't Omar merely draw comparisons between the ramp up of war in Iraq to what is currently happening in Iran? I believe she has also been accused of anti-semitism when her beef is with Israel's current government. I am not certain this is what you mean though. Has she made remarks that can be easily refuted or are radically out of line?

Please see her 911 comment and the interview response on Twitter link above.
If you feel these are not are radically out of line, then we can just leave this conversation where it stands and agree to disagree.

Her remarks were taken out of context. She was making the point that more domestic acts of terrorism are commited by white men than by Muslims. Mass shootings are surely disproportionately carried out by white guys.

I don't think there is anything factually inaccurate about what she stated. Further to that it would be wise for the FBI to keep an eye on young white guys who are being radicalized by hate groups.

[Liz.]

Crikey, AutumnW, I think that is the first time I have seen you be nice about someone.
Or even accept that context matters.
Maybe you are starting to get the Q.
Hugs x

[PurpleLama]

G

MGray,

Didn't Omar merely draw comparisons between the ramp up of war in Iraq to what is currently happening in Iran? I believe she has also been accused of anti-semitism when her beef is with Israel's current government. I am not certain this is what you mean though. Has she made remarks that can be easily refuted or are radically out of line?

Please see her 911 comment and the interview response on Twitter link above.
If you feel these are not are radically out of line, then we can just leave this conversation where it stands and agree to disagree.

Her remarks were taken out of context. She was making the point that more domestic acts of terrorism are commited by white men than by Muslims. Mass shootings are surely disproportionately carried out by white guys.

I don't think there is anything factually inaccurate about what she stated. Further to that it would be wise for the FBI to keep an eye on young white guys who are being radicalized by hate groups.

Most of the young white guys are radicalized with the assistance of the FBI. Where have you been?

[Gracy]

I lost 5 friends in 9-11. So when someone says "Some people did something" I do not hold their ideology in high regard.

Send her back then?

There are no winners in this verbal bout between Trump and Omar.

https://twitter.com/QAnonPastryChef/status/1154088915415912449📁


Radically out of line, hands down. I tried to find the full interview but couldn't, just on the off chance that in between the splicing some context was missed whereas possibly she was being sarcastic in letting white people see how it feels to hear they need to be profiled.

If anyone knows where it is pls post. In the meantime, i'll stick with totally unacceptable.

This was bothering me, because the 40 sec clip in question was edited/spliced, so finally i was able to find the original, un cut 10 min interview from february 1018.

First off here's the two to compare for yourselves for anyone who cares. First the short spliced clip, then the second full interview.

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I recomend watching the full 10 minutes to get the deeper measure of where shes coming from, but the part in question starts at 5:25.
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Just prior to the question posed her and the supposdly very unacceptable answer, she is describing this about how Muslims are looked at and treated here in the US.


i think when you demonize, and dehumanize, it is easy for people to commit acts of violence against those individuals cos they no longer see them as a person, as someone who has feelings whose worthy of respect. And i think we are moving away from the idea that we are supposed to be a welcoming nation.

Then comes the "white man part". Yes she does indeed say what she said in the short clip, but, something was conveniently omitted right in the middle, thus the splice, here is that omitted part.


If fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country

In my book that changes everything, shes being a bit sarcastic, holding up the mirror so to speak, and i think its really uncool to chop up what someone says like that for political purpose. I was HORRIFIED by how she sounded in the 40 sec clip, except, thats not what happened and we need to be very careful of this.

And so theres no misunderstandings, i would do the same digging on a spliced/edited trump clip. I have no dog in this fight, i only want to see what's really there.

[Ratszinger]

I lost 5 friends in 9-11. So when someone says "Some people did something" I do not hold their ideology in high regard.

Send her back then?

There are no winners in this verbal bout between Trump and Omar.

https://twitter.com/QAnonPastryChef/status/1154088915415912449📁


Radically out of line, hands down. I tried to find the full interview but couldn't, just on the off chance that in between the splicing some context was missed whereas possibly she was being sarcastic in letting white people see how it feels to hear they need to be profiled.

If anyone knows where it is pls post. In the meantime, i'll stick with totally unacceptable.

This was bothering me, because the 40 sec clip in question was edited/spliced, so finally i was able to find the original, un cut 10 min interview from february 1018.

First off here's the two to compare for yourselves for anyone who cares. First the short spliced clip, then the second full interview.

CDjLbN9Cbwg

I recomend watching the full 10 minutes to get the deeper measure of where shes coming from, but the part in question starts at 5:25.
0UmmvROd4J8

Just prior to the question posed her and the supposdly very unacceptable answer, she is describing this about how Muslims are looked at and treated here in the US.


i think when you demonize, and dehumanize, it is easy for people to commit acts of violence against those individuals cos they no longer see them as a person, as someone who has feelings whose worthy of respect. And i think we are moving away from the idea that we are supposed to be a welcoming nation.

Then comes the "white man part". Yes she does indeed say what she said in the short clip, but, something was conveniently omitted right in the middle, thus the splice, here is that omitted part.


If fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country

In my book that changes everything, shes being a bit sarcastic, holding up the mirror so to speak, and i think its really uncool to chop up what someone says like that for political purpose. I was HORRIFIED by how she sounded in the 40 sec clip, except, thats not what happened and we need to be very careful of this.

And so theres no misunderstandings, i would do the same digging on a spliced/edited trump clip. I have no dog in this fight, i only want to see what's really there.

I know you would do the same but for what it's worth you made another "Q Proof!" That being that the media lies everyday twisting truths and more and that they are the enemy to the people. Just sayin'.

[Gracy]

No no no Ratszinger, i'm not going to let you get away with that confirmation of a q proof quite so easily lol. I knew about media manipulation, mockingbird, manufactured consent type stuf before Q. That's why i dig same as y'all, we just dig in different ways.

You dig? :p

[T Smith]

I reckon this would be my next logical question, i asked it earlier but, got lost in all the hubub. I'm all ears, haven't heard any logical excuses for the following yet,

i know it's the washpo, but that doesn't change the documentation, it doesn't make it fake news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJIZkf347V4

Is this ok? It sure looks to this ole country gal that, hes a gettin his politico power trip rocks off on this, and makes no attempt to abort no matter what else he may say. Is there anything that Trump could do that the die hard q fan may frown upon? Does any q fan see this as even the least bit historically dangerous? If i'm missing something here more than happy to be corrected.

To me, he did not look the least bit displeased, he did not speak up quickly and, to boot, waited with perfecto politicians timing for the chant to die off on it's own before resuming.

Yes, Trump is tapping into the divide and extracting political capital from it. One can disagree with that tactic, or call it dangerous, and we can certainly discuss. It may be. But here's the thing: I would argue most people don't understand the dynamic. These are those who would point the finger at Trump (mostly with rage and hatred and vitriol) when they observe this dynamic. But Trump certainly did not create, nor is he creating this divide... he is a product of it and merely tapping it for political expediency.

The media, i.e. the propaganda apparatus of PTB, public universities and their new language of political correctness, censorship, and the general erosion of the libertarian values and the inalienable rights of the people, etc., created this divide.

This is an orchastrated campaign and psyop waged against the people; Donald Trump did not create this psyop, nor is he "running" it. Nor is he directing it. He is riding it.

Here is where it gets even more complicated. He is actually riding the beast in order to fight it, or so his supporters believe.

I am watching very closing, but so far it appears he hasn't been thrown from the bull.

[T Smith]

Further to that it would be wise for the FBI to keep an eye on young white guys who are being radicalized by hate groups.




You mean by MKUltra or the CIA? Isn't that kind of like the pot keeping an eye on the kettle?

[Gracy]

Yes, Trump is tapping into the divide and extracting political capital from it. One can disagree with that tactic, or call it dangerous, and we can certainly discuss. It may be. But here's the thing: I would argue most people don't understand the dynamic. These are those who would point the finger at Trump (mostly with rage and hatred and vitriol) when they observe this dynamic. But Trump certainly did not create, nor is he creating this divide... he is a product of it and merely tapping it for political expediency.

Of coarse he is doing this, he didnt start the fire as Billy Joel put it, but he is certainly as you insunuate gaining every last politico dime he can get from the theatrics. He didn't start the fire, but he is most certainly playing with that fire.


This is an orchastrated campaign and psyop waged against the people; Donald Trump did not create this psyop, nor is he "running" it. Nor is he directing it. He is riding it.

Yes, he may be riding it, but imo is riding it in full knowledge of what horse he is riding. If he doesnt know than hes an idiot. Just my opinion it's either one way or the other.


Here is where it gets even more complicated. He is actually riding the beast in order to fight it, or so his supporters believe.


Yes it is complicated. I do believe his supporters believe he is fighting the good fight. Heres one that bugs me on that. If i wanted to clean up dc, why would i choose the Goldman Sachs and neo con guys and gals to help me drain the swamp? 5d chess i'm to lame brain to figger out?

Folk like Wilbur Ross, Steve Mnuchin, John Bolten, Mike Pompeo, and torturess Gina Haspell are there to lend a helping hand to pull the plug? Just asking the questions, if i were in such a position of power to "change" things, why would i hire these people?

[Gracy]

My next question for any particular q follower who wishes to participate. And i feel we are on good even, neutral, and mutualy respectful grounds by now.

Once the boomerang has had its affect, and all the baddies have been frog marched off to gitmo, what does future governance of the US look like to you going from there?

[T Smith]

Heres one that bugs me on that. If i wanted to clean up dc, why would i choose the Goldman Sachs and neo con guys and gals to help me drain the swamp? 5d chess i'm to lame brain to figger out?

Folk like Wilbur Ross, Steve Mnuchin, John Bolten, Mike Pompeo, and torturess Gina Haspell are there to lend a helping hand to pull the plug? Just asking the questions, if i were in such a position of power to "change" things, why would i hire these people?

These are very good questions. These questions have puzzled me as well. I would suppose avid supporters might conclude he's playing a game of 5-d chess; to detractors, on the other hand, the aforementioned appointments just prove he's a deep state shill.

But the reality is probably something entirely different from both these suppositions. If we set aside all our prejudices (whatever they may be) what we know for sure about Donald Trump, from a purely objective point of view and from his past history of brokering deals, is that the means Trump employs to achieve desired objectives are purely transactional. This may not fit the romanticized ideal of "draining the swamp", and most people who do not have experience with the level of business transactions to which Trump is both accustomed and comfortable may have a hard time conceptualizing a negotiation process with an adversary. I would say it's counter intuitive to most of us, but second nature to Trump. He is comfortable dealing with (and getting fruit from) an enemy; my guess is cleaning out the swamp is nothing but a complicated negotiation transaction with the deep state. It would certainly be more practical than putting on blue tights and a red cape and attempting to pull the plug in a fete of heroics.

Arranging for a complicated negotiation, on the other hand--a process with which he has considerable experience--and one in which he holds some powerful cards to levy considerable damage, might prove much more fruitful than playing the role of comic book hero. In other words, DJT understands how to broker a deal much better than he understands how to be a comic book hero.

This of course is my best conjecture. Allowing the neo-con appointments friendly to the deep state is probably something he had to give--either covertly or otherwise--to avoid declaring all-out war on them.

If this is indeed what is going on, in order for the transaction to be a zero-sum game, one party will have to double-cross and/or cheat the other. The real question you're asking, I think, is what side of this equation is Donald Trump on?

[Gracy]

Heres one that bugs me on that. If i wanted to clean up dc, why would i choose the Goldman Sachs and neo con guys and gals to help me drain the swamp? 5d chess i'm to lame brain to figger out?

Folk like Wilbur Ross, Steve Mnuchin, John Bolten, Mike Pompeo, and torturess Gina Haspell are there to lend a helping hand to pull the plug? Just asking the questions, if i were in such a position of power to "change" things, why would i hire these people?

First off, nice, well thought out post T Smith, i like that!



These are very good questions. These questions have puzzled me as well. I would suppose avid supporters might conclude he's playing a game of 5-d chess; to detractors, on the other hand, the aforementioned appointments just prove he's a deep state shill.

Soooooo, i think i might have to argue somewhere in the middle on that one. I see him more as what i once heard Alex Jones refer to as a wind up toy. Just like Aldo at the gambling table.


Once he starts it's hard to stop
He's keeping up a pace like a tight wound clock
Be sure you don't step in his way
He'll keep those numbers rolling
This may be his last day
ffdgfoLZjPo

He's old, he's got this one last wild card to play, and if this may be his last day he's going out with a bang. Now hes also got a pet Q at his side.

What if an agent of chaos is what was needed, to up the ante so to speak, to create a whole new and improved model of Empire? Let him loose to do his thing, like giving a pyro a gallon of gas and a pack of matches, watch him burn it all down, but ALSO, watch what arises in the former's place like the fiery phoenix risen from the ashes.

Maybe now empire can continue whistling on down the street keeping on doing what it damn well pleases but, now it can do it with a strut right out in the open, maybe even a marching band trailing behind. No more hiding empire, now its in the face and it got a steroid boost like the fed dumping billions into Wall Street.

I dont think Trump is (knowingly) a shill, but, neither do i think he's smart enough to play chess, except where the mindless and predictably reactionary msm is concerned. Hes simply doing what he does best, being DJT.

So far as the neocon appointments go, and i'll include his VP Pence in there, i think this is where hes the unwitting shill. I think a better term for them would be handlers. He may not want war for instance, but he sure is flirting with it, and it could easily blow up in his hands. I also dont think he knows that sanctions kill people jist like bombs.


Wind him up, he cant stop
He's wound up tight just like the clock
That's winding its second hand down
Wind him up, he can't stop
He keeps on going 'round the clock
That's winding its second hand down

[Gracy]

For anyone whose interested in a further dialogue, here is a simple question. First the quote below.


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I remember years ago when we were young, my husbands father wagging his finger at me like Bill Clinton over his cocktail glass at a family gathering and advising, concerning his christian religion which he loved to bring up.


If i'm wrong, and you're right, i'm ok,

if i'm right, and your wrong, you're NOT ok.

As above so below, as then so is now, is there any room for nuance inside of these two comparable scenarios? I am truly curious.Does it really have to be one or the other?


Would love to hear other thoughts or perspectives.

[Ratszinger]

Do facts exist? I ask because there is strong argument that perception and certainty are all you need to create your own reality and its absolutely real! So it doesn't matter if you think in your reality that things will be bad for them and not for you or good for you and bad for them because perception will determine how everyone feels! They've probably already done scenarios for how to play it out to gauge and get the response and actions needed as they go from the people! Think about things because it's all keyed on how you process through your perception. So if I'm absolutely certain that if Trump gets elected again democracy will never be the same then that reality is real for that person. They are living it. Its their perception and the mass media is played as it is because the powers know that the more people they can get on the same page will generate all the certainty they need to make the reality they want to create because they pull all the strings for how they direct and manage the emotional responses and perceptions of society! That is why they hold control over masses of people the way they do and control all the outlets for mass media communication. It's why they spy everyone to gauge that all are moving the way they want them to move and thinking they way they want them to think. And people think they are free!

They think out there that they think for themselves. Each time they need to reinforce the programming they jerk the chains of the programmed masses with their news and TV outlets, radios, shows, movies, songs bill boards and more all directing people in alignment to an end. Humans are smart individually and one on one you can actually get somewhere with anyone of the masses as a person but we are herd like animals in crowds and someone out there in power is utilizing that nature in a bad way against us I think.

[Gracy]

I agree with much of this Ratszinger. Yes people are smart individually but, with the right lens from a distance, its not that hard to see them moving with the herd. But then again which herd are we talking about here? There is the big overall herd, for us it would be the American herd, but that overall herd is made up of numerous smaller herds like the democrat herd, the republican herd, the christian muslim hindu and atheist herds, etc...

The democrat herd thinks the world has come to an end because Trump is in, but the Trump herd would feel the exact same way if he lost this election, especialy to someone like Bernie Sanders. But have things really changed all that much either way? Each side would point to the pros and cons to back up their perceived reality, but when we look at the overall picture, and look back at the overall picture going back through history, how much have things really changed?


People are being herded now, people have been herded throughout history, some of the ways its done have remained fairly consistant over times, like herding them into stadiums and distracting them through public spectacles, where as sometimes the methods have evolved to fit the changing times as people become more sophisticated through clever propagandists like Edward Bernays.

But I dont see any of this nuance of reality perception on the pro Q/Trump thread. I see the slavering expectation of mass arrests and frog marching of well known public figures off to face military tribunals in Gitmo, signalling the supposed fall of DS. End of story, we win, and we're dragging you with us.

100% us and them, a winner and a loser, and the good guys won across the board. Oh, and trust us, these are the good guys.

So thats the all or nothing thing Im wondering about, same as with my father in law its the all or nothing, black and white, a winner and a loser thing.

[AutumnW]

Crikey, AutumnW, I think that is the first time I have seen you be nice about someone.
Or even accept that context matters.
Maybe you are starting to get the Q.
Hugs x

Generally an insult isn't followed by a hug. Mind your manners, Liz.

[AutumnW]

But I dont see any of this nuance of reality perception on the pro Q/Trump thread. I see the slavering expectation of mass arrests and frog marching of well known public figures off to face military tribunals in Gitmo, signalling the supposed fall of DS. End of story, we win, and we're dragging you with us.--- Gracy May

Agreed. Thank you for your input here, Gracy May. It is much appreciated. I find it just a bit too aggravating to participate more than I have already.

[Gracy]

But I dont see any of this nuance of reality perception on the pro Q/Trump thread. I see the slavering expectation of mass arrests and frog marching of well known public figures off to face military tribunals in Gitmo, signalling the supposed fall of DS. End of story, we win, and we're dragging you with us.--- Gracy May

Agreed. Thank you for your input here, Gracy May. It is much appreciated. I find it just a bit too aggravating to participate more than I have already.

Hi AutumnW. I refuse to allow the entrance of aggravation into the equation on this one. Not that you have said any of these mind you, just adding in that one thing Q followers are not is stupid, by any means, nor are they fools, and i can plainly see that they are good people and mean well. That means a lot to me right there, what are your intentions? I think their intentions are noble.

I want to better understand whats going on there, just because i strongly disagree with them i dont feel should preclude a respectful dialogue. They strongly disagree with me as well, which is fine, i want to ask questions, have some polite interaction, and not just watch them from afar interacting with each other in that one little bubble. I want to see what they see through their eyes, and the only way i can do that, the way my brain works, is to ask questions, listen to the answers to my own personal questions, and have personal interaction.


Now they may have neither the time nor inclination to interact with someone like me who is probably considered sub par as far as being informed, but the invitation is still out there none the less. :sun:

[AutumnW]

Gracy, I get it and their point of view. That's why I find it aggravating. And that's why I no longer participate.

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

I've just amended the thread title from "Q" Booth for Off Topic Posts from Other Threads. That seemed to be saying what the thread isn't about, rather than what it is (or should be!) about. So this might be just a little more appropriate, and also encouraging to post on.
Note: Thread titles can easily be edited by the mods. Our only purpose in ever doing so is to make indexing and searching clearer and more user-friendly, like labeling shelves in a library or folders on your computer.

:thumbsup:

[Gracy]

Excuse the Q-researcher related content from outside of our sandbox, but this video is a must see, to blow this narrative out. (shooter arrest discrepancies, witness accounts, more).


Hi mountain jim, i saw your duplicate Q drop on the El Paso shooting thread after seeing it in the "sandbox" as you call it lol, so this must be pretty important to you for us all to watch that latest X22 vid. I did my due diligence, for 10 or so minutes anyway, so here are a couple of questions.

Not a lot there much different from other shootings where non q sources find similar contradictions, but i did notice the staunch defence of 8 chan and that Trump is all over this as Q+. I have a couple questions if you dont mind.

Do you think Trump is really Q+ because of that 170 minute time window?

How soon can we reasonably expect this trap to spring?

Also, i noticed a couple days ago that the 24 hr warning was in brackets meaning that a person, or thing in those brackets, is going to be taken down. Like i was told "hope and change" was in the kill zone meaning either Obama, or his big hope and change idea, was going down, do i have that correct?

If so, what did the 24 hour warning in brackets mean?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/quodverum/media_attachments/files/000/327/404/original/f80f5f36f637238e.jpeg

One more. :) The see something say something thing is DS Homeland Security lingo for avg citizens to narc each other our for the slightest thing to big brother, why is Q pushing this? Dont most Q fans ascribe Homeland Security for being an extension of DS?

[samildamach]

It often happens that a post belongs in more than one thread,and does a cross over

[Gracy]

It often happens that a post belongs in more than one thread,and does a cross over

OK, fair enough, does that then render my questions irrelevent, or beneath anyone to respond to?

I dont see a whole lot of out reach from the q community to answer basic questions from evry day people like me, outsiders, people who q is supposedly going for (in deep code) to rally against DS,but i do see the use of every chance to spread the good word.

Im an outsider standing here front and center asking very basic questions, which should be all to easy to knock down and answer in very simpl terms, is that too much to ask from beyond the wall of the sand box? i feel like Achilles calling out Hector.
Yhv-AClYEzI

Let's talk.

[mountain_jim]

Excuse the Q-researcher related content from outside of our sandbox, but this video is a must see, to blow this narrative out. (shooter arrest discrepancies, witness accounts, more).


Hi mountain jim, i saw your duplicate Q drop on the El Paso shooting thread after seeing it in the "sandbox" as you call it lol, so this must be pretty important to you for us all to watch that latest X22 vid. I did my due diligence, for 10 or so minutes anyway, so here are a couple of questions.

Not a lot there much different from other shootings where non q sources find similar contradictions, but i did notice the staunch defence of 8 chan and that Trump is all over this as Q+. I have a couple questions if you dont mind.

Do you think Trump is really Q+ because of that 170 minute time window?

How soon can we reasonably expect this trap to spring?

Also, i noticed a couple days ago that the 24 hr warning was in brackets meaning that a person, or thing in those brackets, is going to be taken down. Like i was told "hope and change" was in the kill zone meaning either Obama, or his big hope and change idea, was going down, do i have that correct?

If so, what did the 24 hour warning in brackets mean?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/quodverum/media_attachments/files/000/327/404/original/f80f5f36f637238e.jpeg

One more. :) The see something say something thing is DS Homeland Security lingo for avg citizens to narc each other our for the slightest thing to big brother, why is Q pushing this? Dont most Q fans ascribe Homeland Security for being an extension of DS?

I am not the defender of all the claims I can't verify attributed to Q, Q+ and timing and such. If you review my posts in the past I find the Q source is inside the WH circle, and connected to military intelligence, as a part of a process the results of which remain to be seen.

My point in highlighting that video was the inclusion of witness testimony videos that appears to indicate more than one shooter, in black and with masks, and incongruities with the arrest videos and photos.


I indicated in the post that was outside of the Q area that:



(Later parts of video may be conjecture, but early parts assemble some of the witness and arrest videos/photos.)


After Las Vegas, I don't trust the FBI to be truthful about anything, and like the creator of this video, I would like to see the security camera footage that proves the current story.

If you are expecting me to be the defender and answerer about all things Q, you have the wrong poster.

I also don't usually watch that source channel, so I have no opinion of how accurate the creator's overall Q views are. I read more, and usually only watch IPOT videos in my limited time for this.

My point has always been this research is meaningful, and open-sourced intelligence is a real thing. It does not mean I am a Trump or Q glorifier, though I understand some are.

I am spreading and sifting through the information, trying to keep beliefs to a minimum, but it did appear to me that the 24 hour warning implied expectations of violent activity likely soon, an interpretation for that post which proved at least somewhat accurate.

The take down of 8-chan timing is suspicious to me, as it comes right after the FBI association of conspiracies with terrorists, and after proven FBI meddling on 8-chan happened earlier to try and take it down before.

Today I posted that an 8-chan researcher claims the shooter's manifesto was posted after the shooting started - I don't have the knowledge to verify that claim either, and now 8-chan is down so verification would be hard to come by anyway.

All Q researchers should do their own research, and form their own views.

Sorry I don't have more time to respond to all of your apparently well-meaning questions, only time to bring info in for consideration. Maybe after I retire in a few years I will have more time for debates.




I dont see a whole lot of out reach from the q community to answer basic questions from evry day people like me, outsiders, people who q is supposedly going for (in deep code) to rally against DS,but i do see the use of every chance to spread the good word.

Im an outsider standing here front and center asking very basic questions, which should be all to easy to knock down and answer in very simpl terms, is that too much to ask from beyond the wall of the sand box? i feel like Achilles calling out Hector.





basic questions, which should be all to easy to knock down and answer in very simpl terms,


Easy to knock down in simple terms? No.

Why invest energy in explanations and defensive replies, with a subset of a community that has labeled us as parasites, addicts, brain-washed cultists, delusional, etc.

(I realize you are not in that subset, but I understand your questioning process and this is my response.)

I post what seems significant but I don't claim to have all the answers about this slippery process, other than the clear understanding that the DS and MSM are allied against the truth of almost everything, and the Qanon research process is a counterpoint to that, with subjects for research coming from an anonymous source that appears to have solid WH and intelligence connections.

[samildamach]

It often happens that a post belongs in more than one thread,and does a cross over

OK, fair enough, does that then render my questions irrelevent, or beneath anyone to respond to?

I dont see a whole lot of out reach from the q community to answer basic questions from evry day people like me, outsiders, people who q is supposedly going for (in deep code) to rally against DS,but i do see the use of every chance to spread the good word.

Im an outsider standing here front and center asking very basic questions, which should be all to easy to knock down and answer in very simpl terms, is that too much to ask from beyond the wall of the sand box? i feel like Achilles calling out Hector.
Yhv-AClYEzI

Let's talk.

Ouch!
Sorry if you find my short answer a challenge or offensive in any way.
I was hoping to help answer a worthwhile question,and point out that this is a common practice on pa

[Gracy]

mountain jim, like you i dont always have a lot of time for this, but i greatly appreciate the time you took and i'll have more time later for an appropriatly thought out response. Just wanted you to know that. :)




OK, fair enough, does that then render my questions irrelevent, or beneath anyone to respond to?


Ouch!
Sorry if you find my short answer a challenge or offensive in any way.
I was hoping to help answer a worthwhile question,and point out that this is a common practice on pa

We're good, sorry i came across that way it was more just wondering aloud. I had all these questions out there, and at the time still silence from behind those walls. Still not many answers but im glad mt jim took the time.

I know about the occasional cross thread thing but, that X22 video was so dripping with unfounded Q and Trump speculation for the first 10 minutes i watched i was like omg, really? Even my husband remarked "what are you watching???" lol.

Lets start over. Hi, i'm Gracy, nice to meet you. :)

[Ratszinger]

I have no problem saying Q screwed up and should have said a 96 hour watch for something big but you know the point is they knew something was coming. I can accept that much. Sometimes I think people think Q isn't human too. He/she/they made a mistake. Could be the other team reads Q posts and did it purposefully when they did I suppose if we give the benefit of the doubt but speculation.

Q appears to be a 'walk along' where some anonymous worker takes us through the halls of secret players exposing some of the inner goings on but while some of that may be true I think it also allows them to gauge how well or how not so well they are doing at keeping their audience interested enough to keep reading so they can play out whatever it is they are doing.

To me now it appears when Poppy Bush died that GW Jr. discovered early he could not hold the reins on his own. In near panic after contacts with NY and LA gang reps he approaches Trump after scheduling an appt. He arranges a deal to team up with Trump so they keep the control of the southern dirty money and illicit trade goods unreported that they can steal and not worry about being reported. The notes going around at Poppy Bushes funeral were of course informing everyone that Bush Jr. made a deal with Trump (hence the face on Jeb's face at discovering what his brother did! I thought he was going to faint!)

Proof of all the above is when Wm. Barr comes into the picture. He is as Catherine Austin Fitts pointed out a long time loyalist to the Bush clan and is there to keep the other gangs still wanting control of the border in check. Barr is there holding them over barrels of hot oil. Play ball and behave he keeps them from falling in. Try to pull some stunts fall into the oil and boil! Schumer and Pelosi are reps for NY gangs and LA gangs repsectively as is Schiff and other players here that are involved. To keep them all in check Barr probably holds all their dirt and deeds as well as things we have no idea about maybe even related to child trafficking and or other such sexual escapades. If they step outside the umbrella of his protection misbehaving I guess they get wet ey? That is how I see it.

[Gracy]

My point in highlighting that video was the inclusion of witness testimony videos that appears to indicate more than one shooter, in black and with masks, and incongruities with the arrest videos and photos.


OK, fair enough.


I indicated in the post that was outside of the Q area that:


(Later parts of video may be conjecture, but early parts assemble some of the witness and arrest videos/photos.)

Yes i saw that, but i didn't even watch the later parts, i watched the first 10 minutes and that was it. I saw a familiar theme in the initial eyewitness reports of multiple gunmen, and i appreciate that, but there was a lot conjecture i saw right there in those early parts. Yes there was interesting news, but i also was being sold a lot of wild conjecture along with it. Hey listen i'm not complaining, just telling you how i saw it.


After Las Vegas, I don't trust the FBI to be truthful about anything, and like the creator of this video, I would like to see the security camera footage that proves the current story.

I dont trust the fbi either, even long before Vegas. Isn't it weird how security footage always seems to be a problem?


If you are expecting me to be the defender and answerer about all things Q, you have the wrong poster.

Not in the slightest Jim. I see you in the Q thread a lot so if you happen to have an answer or two here and there, great and thank you! I dont like to inpose myself on people, and my open invitation is out to anyone who actively takes part in Q. And just to be clear im not looking to put anyone on the defensive, i just have a lot of questions and that's all there is to it.

I have a lot of questions, Q and 8 Chan are breaking in to the mainstream narative, and there's a bunch of people right here who seem to know a whole lot about it. Seems like a match made in heaven.


My point has always been this research is meaningful, and open-sourced intelligence is a real thing. It does not mean I am a Trump or Q glorifier, though I understand some are.


OK, if thats true for you then now i know. The two DO seem to go hand in hand though. I mean Trump is supposedly Q+.


I am spreading and sifting through the information, trying to keep beliefs to a minimum, but it did appear to me that the 24 hour warning implied expectations of violent activity likely soon, an interpretation for that post which proved at least somewhat accurate.

Granted, that was certainly a close call and i'm not quibbling about a couple of days. Part of that question was about things in brackets is all. 24 hours was in brackets, but so was change we can believe in.


Sorry I don't have more time to respond to all of your apparently well-meaning questions, only time to bring info in for consideration. Maybe after I retire in a few years I will have more time for debates.

I appreciate the time you have taken Jim. And again, just to be clear, i am not here for debate, only to have questions answered in a mutually respectful atmosphere. Some of my questions are tough questions, or so they may seem to me anyway, but they are still just questions aimed at people who know that theyre talking about and thats what this boils down to.

I'm looking to understand. But i'm not looking for speculation. Not that this is what youve given me, but a lot of Q proofs do seem to often be wrapped in speculation.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Part of that question was about things in brackets is all. 24 hours was in brackets, but so was change we can believe in.

As far as I know and understand, the [squared brackets] (also a called the 'kill box') are to underline or call special attention to what's posted in those brackets. Like, [target], or, [focus on this].



I'm looking to understand. But i'm not looking for speculation. Not that this is what youve given me, but a lot of Q proofs do seem to often be wrapped in speculation.

I know, it's damn frustrating. I'm the same as Jim. No flag-waving here. So much of this is based on little more than speculation/theory. This is the mystery that is "QAnon". It's a conspiracy theory. Same as any other conspiracy theory where speculation abounds (which is pretty much all of them).

The only thing that keeps it going for me are the coincidences. Or as many claim, Q-proofs. I'm just not someone who is comfortable believing in coincidences. Not when coincidence is stacked upon coincidence.

I really don't know what Q is, what's going on, or what the hell it all means. I only have speculation, interpretation, theory. The only thing I'm sure of is, Q IS connected somehow to the military intelligence apparatus, wherever and however, and IS working with Trump. What that relationship is, what it's really all for, what it ultimately amounts to...no idea. For good, for bad, for something else, no idea!

Being what it is though (for good or ill), I think it's still quite important to pay attention to. In the same way I still watch The MSM. It's chocked full of disinformation, but I still want to know what they're saying.

[Gracy]

As far as I know and understand, the [squared brackets] (also a called the 'kill box') are to underline or call special attention to what's posted in those brackets. Like, [target], or, [focus on this].

Ah, the brackets. It's been 2 weeks now so lets go back to the beginning, because i'm STILL not clear on it lol.



[CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN]
Q
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-associated-US-political-analysis&p=1306259#post1306259


I want now to ask q fans why the above just posted sounds so familiar. Lets talk.

https://www.amazon.com/Change-We-Can-Believe-Americas/dp/0307460452

I then promptly received 2 responses that supposdly cleared things up.


My assumption would be that it's intended to be familiar, and that it's a direct reference to the former President. Typically, when Q has placed something in brackets like that, it's meant to infer that the person or thing in brackets is 'going down' (or something to that effect).


That's correct, ClearWater. In regard to the Q drops, enclosing someone, or their initials, or some thing in brackets [...] is also referred to by the Anons as a "killbox", depending on the context.

Ok, great, so now i know it's called a kill box, and anything in brackets is going down, in this case i'm assuming either Barry O is going down, or his change we can believe in idea is going down, plain n simple.

But then we came to this, the apparent Q false flag prediction, and i got confused again about what exactly the brackets meant again. Plus i added a follow up question.


Also, i noticed a couple days ago that the 24 hr warning was in brackets meaning that a person, or thing in those brackets, is going to be taken down. Like i was told "hope and change" was in the kill zone meaning either Obama, or his big hope and change idea, was going down, do i have that correct?

If so, what did the 24 hour warning in brackets mean?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/quodverum/media_attachments/files/000/327/404/original/f80f5f36f637238e.jpeg

One more. :) The see something say something thing is DS Homeland Security lingo for avg citizens to narc each other our for the slightest thing to big brother, why is Q pushing this? Dont most Q fans ascribe Homeland Security for being an extension of DS?

Why WAS the [24hr Warning] in brackets, if that means the person, idea, or whatever, is going down? In my logic, if anything, it should have been other way around with "see something say something in brackets meaning screw cooperation with Homeland Security, but the warning being outside of brackets meaning "pay attention to this".

Now coming back full circle, Star Mariner understands things in brackets totally different to my previous understanding of this. The kill box terminology is the same, but not the apparent meaning.


As far as I know and understand, the [squared brackets] (also a called the 'kill box') are to underline or call special attention to what's posted in those brackets. Like, [target], or, [focus on this].

And why would anti establishment Q be using the Homeland Security motto?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The answer to all that - I honestly don't know lol. In my opinion, to hazard a reasonable guess, the kill box isn't a kill box, as many different things in many different contexts have appeared in those brackets. I think it's probably meant for [special emphasis]. The recent warning drop was one of numerous that have appeared. Another example (below) was the Antifa scare during last year's midterms. Lots of kill boxes here, but again in this context it was more to draw special attention, and underline specific threats.


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.405 📁
Nov 4 2018 17:33:58 (EST)
[PANIC IN DC]
If you witness members of ANTIFA or any other people or organizations stationed at 'key' voter locations making threats or attempting to use scare tactics [voter intimidation] please contact local authorities immediately and report the incident(s).
Internal comms suggest preparations are being made and organized to conduct a 29+ location push [battleground locations].
See Something
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Uniformed and Non-Uniformed personnel will be stationed across the country in an effort to safeguard the public.
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[PurpleLama]

And why would anti establishment Q be using the Homeland Security motto?

If Q comes from military intelligence?

[ClearWater]

It also seems to me that the 'rules' are intentionally unclear when it comes to trying to interpret the coding used within the posts. You can come to your own conclusions as to why that's the case.

[Gracy]

The answer to all that - I honestly don't know lol.

So we're in the same boat lol!

I'm going to drop the bracket question cos it appears the answer is like a pup a chasin its tail.

Lets move on then.





And why would anti establishment Q be using the Homeland Security motto?

If Q comes from military intelligence?

Right, so to me that comes down to my question of, why is Q advocating for DS homeland security meme of having patriotic Americans narcing each other out over every little perceived slight against the fatherland like old East Germany? If there's a simple answer to that i'm listening and open minded, i'm just not hearing anything even close.

Folks, these are very basic questions i'm putting forth here. Why aren't they being knocked out of the park with "q proofs" causing me to rethink for a sec and say "oh, okay, thats logical and makes sense"?


It also seems to me that the 'rules' are intentionally unclear when it comes to trying to interpret the coding used within the posts. You can come to your own conclusions as to why that's the case.

Ok, so than who is really q's target audience with intentionally unclear rules? Is it the miniscule % of 8 chan savant anons pouring over intermitten data streams where Pres Trump has, say, placed or not placed a comma in a tweet, or how many minutes in between tweets and what numerology can be put to that, or is it aimed at avg, working class Americans looking for relief to understand?

Historical figures like Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi or MLK spoke to common people, in language common people could easilyunder stand, who is Q speaking to so that his target audience understands? If we have to go through anons, X22, ipot etc., and even they dont know for sure, does this not mean we're being forced through the gates of the age old middle man?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, or start some big drama filled debate, i'm just looking for simple answers, to simple questions, and it doesnt apear there are many to be found.

[ClearWater]

The answer to all that - I honestly don't know lol.

So we're in the same boat lol!

I'm going to drop the bracket question cos it appears the answer is like a pup a chasin its tail.

Lets move on then.





And why would anti establishment Q be using the Homeland Security motto?

If Q comes from military intelligence?

Right, so to me that comes down to my question of, why is Q advocating for DS homeland security meme of having patriotic Americans narcing each other out over every little perceived slight against the fatherland like old East Germany? If there's a simple answer to that i'm listening and open minded, i'm just not hearing anything even close.

Folks, these are very basic questions i'm putting forth here. Why aren't they being knocked out of the park with "q proofs" causing me to rethink for a sec and say "oh, okay, thats logical and makes sense"?


It also seems to me that the 'rules' are intentionally unclear when it comes to trying to interpret the coding used within the posts. You can come to your own conclusions as to why that's the case.

Ok, so than who is really q's target audience with intentionally unclear rules? Is it the miniscule % of 8 chan savant anons pouring over intermitten data streams where Pres Trump has, say, placed or not placed a comma in a tweet, or how many minutes in between tweets and what numerology can be put to that, or is it aimed at avg, working class Americans looking for relief to understand?

Historical figures like Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi or MLK spoke to common people, in language common people could easilyunder stand, who is Q speaking to so that his target audience understands? If we have to go through anons, X22, ipot etc., and even they dont know for sure, does this not mean we're being forced through the gates of the age old middle man?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, or start some big drama filled debate, i'm just looking for simple answers, to simple questions, and it doesnt apear there are many to be found.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't think there are any ardent 'Q Followers' still active on the site, so it's probably unlikely you'll receive an impassioned response on the matter. Speaking only for myself, I check up on the posts from Q and check the threads here. It's largely just a curiosity to me though. I'm not even going to attempt to respond to your questions beyond saying that we live in a world that is simultaneously incredibly simple and incredibly complex, depending upon a persons perspective. In some sense Q mirrors that, possibly intentionally, possibly because it's just inevitable. I don't know. What I do know is that if you're looking for clear answers, Q is definitely not the best place to look, lol.

[Gracy]

What I do know is that if you're looking for clear answers, Q is definitely not the best place to look, lol.

I reckon you're right ClearWater, time to turn this corner of my attention elsewhere. Usually when i start down the path of trying to figure something out, even though it may not be the yellow brick road to enlightenment on any given subject, always i can at least find lil nuggets here and there that i can put my finger on and think "well, at least this nugget and that nugget of the subject makes some sense".

Of course i wasnt looking for any answers from Q, but now that the whole deal is breaking through the glass ceiling into main stream, i was hoping to at least gain some solid insights into where people that do follow Q are coming from, how they see it, and how they interpret it beyond what i can discern. At least when someone in the real world might mention what is it with this q thing, maybe i could have said well i just happen to be in a position where i had direct access to a bunch of the followers, i asked them about this and that basic thing, and they all seem to agree on this or that basic tenet.

I was willing to suspend disbelief, keep an open mind, and hopefully shown a thing or two i couldn't see before having loosely followed this since the beginning, but now its clear nothing will ever be clear lol, not even the simplest lil aspects of it. The only thing i can be totally clear on now is that if something is this deeply unclear, it must indeed be that way intentionaly so. Which, wow, i think i'll just leave it there...

In the end though this still proved to be a valuable lil exercise. I still learned something by not learning a dern thing. :thumbsup:

[Gracy]

So the longer Q is not heard from, the more I have to wonder why he/she/they look to have been so reliant on 8 chan to get the good word out. Shouldn't people supposedly so incredibly high up the Intel food chain be able to figure out how to pop right back up somewhere else like the whack a mole game to continue on?

[Gracy]

Not wanting still to disrupt the flow of the main thread, so, heres my latest question if anyone wants to take it up.

I continue to see X22 videos popping up describing DS as being in panic, so I did some quick digging, and found this theme goes back to atleast last Feb. Now here's the thing, panic is a short term bodily function related to fight or flight, the only time it continues on and on is if one has a disorder possibly requiring medication.

Going on 9 months now is a loooooooooong time to be in a state of panic, it seems as though the immediate danger causing this is always imminent, yet never strikes.

I don't think that a long, sustained state of panic is possible, whether for an individual, a group, or an entire institution. They would eventually have time to calm down, assess the situation, and deal with it from there in a more thinking manner, beyond fight or flight.

Can anyone explain what part of this ongoing, long term state of panic that I may be missing? This was posted on main Q thread 23 Feb. 2019.


Dave Janda does the X22 Spotlight (again)

L8McwKPRm30

[Ratszinger]

Not wanting still to disrupt the flow of the main thread, so, heres my latest question if anyone wants to take it up.

I continue to see X22 videos popping up describing DS as being in panic, so I did some quick digging, and found this theme goes back to atleast last Feb. Now here's the thing, panic is a short term bodily function related to fight or flight, the only time it continues on and on is if one has a disorder possibly requiring medication.

Going on 9 months now is a loooooooooong time to be in a state of panic, it seems as though the immediate danger causing this is always imminent, yet never strikes.

I don't think that a long, sustained state of panic is possible, whether for an individual, a group, or an entire institution. They would eventually have time to calm down, assess the situation, and deal with it from there in a more thinking manner, beyond fight or flight.

Can anyone explain what part of this ongoing, long term state of panic that I may be missing? This was posted on main Q thread 23 Feb. 2019.


Dave Janda does the X22 Spotlight (again)

L8McwKPRm30

Yeah it's a good point. The only things people focus on are usually less important and sometimes not even real. They often miss the real even when right in front of them. You know, like DJT's response when things got heated in NY and he didn't get his way. To run off, throw a tantrum and move to a new state. And it's the old state's fault for not appreciating him of course. The psychology behind the action is the same that drives him to comb his hair as he does, "NARCISSISTIC INSECURITY" which is a bad thing to see in a world leader no matter the country. Yet no one picks up on it! Amazing! It's an easy attack zone right there wide open into his psyche and no one uses it. If I was ruthless that's where i'd hit him.

[Jayke]

Not wanting still to disrupt the flow of the main thread, so, heres my latest question if anyone wants to take it up.

I continue to see X22 videos popping up describing DS as being in panic, so I did some quick digging, and found this theme goes back to atleast last Feb. Now here's the thing, panic is a short term bodily function related to fight or flight, the only time it continues on and on is if one has a disorder possibly requiring medication.

Going on 9 months now is a loooooooooong time to be in a state of panic, it seems as though the immediate danger causing this is always imminent, yet never strikes.

I don't think that a long, sustained state of panic is possible, whether for an individual, a group, or an entire institution. They would eventually have time to calm down, assess the situation, and deal with it from there in a more thinking manner, beyond fight or flight.

Can anyone explain what part of this ongoing, long term state of panic that I may be missing? This was posted on main Q thread 23 Feb. 2019.

Generalised Anxiety Disorde (https://adaa.org/understanding-anxiety/generalized-anxiety-disorder-gad)r is a thing, and is prominent in people who rise to power using deceit and unscrupulous means (they often have a constant worry that others are out to get them, the same way they’ve been out to get others).

Greta Thunberg is a great example of a Soros hired actress who plays the GAD thing to the point of Shakespearean comedy.

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Examples of mental illness in recent political hot topics
Adam Schiff inventing an imagined conversation and using it to impeach Trump (even though the real transcript is open for all to see) = mentally unhinged.
Rachel Maddow coming to terms with Muellers Russia hoax = mentally unhinged.
The ridiculous hysterics over the Kavanaugh appointment last year = mentally unhinged.
Peter Strzok’s bizarre ‘demonically possessed’ congressional testimony = mentally unhinged.
Anyone who supports chemical and surgical transgender mutilation for preteens = mentally unhinged.

The deep state is ultimately comprised of a bloated beurocracy of level 6 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107710-The-Q-threads-have-been-moved-to-a-members-only-section.&p=1302970&viewfull=1#post1302970) alarmists. Generalised Anxiety Disorder is central to the level 6 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107710-The-Q-threads-have-been-moved-to-a-members-only-section.&p=1302970&viewfull=1#post1302970) psychology, hence the constant alarmism and OCD of wanting to micromanage every facet of world affairs (the dream of global hegemony or global communism).

Level 6 pathology stems from a subjective interpretation of reality

subjectivism is the path to the devil — “A man who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes unable to recognize truth, either in himself or in anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself and for others. When he has no respect for anyone, he can no longer love, and in him, he yields to his impulses, indulges in the lowest form of pleasure, and behaves in the end like an animal in satisfying his vices. And it all comes from lying — to others and to yourself.”

― Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Level 6 liberalism (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/07/26/we-need-to-confront-the-liberals-whose-excuse-feed-islamic-terror/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) is the source of all the ‘Clown World’ memes on social media.

How does the level 6 psychology interpret clowns, in an anxious ridden and alarmist way no doubt:
https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5d76781c44f2b20008040a7d/960x0.jpg?cropX1=0&cropX2=1774&cropY1=0&cropY2=999

[Gracy]

Going on 9 months now is a loooooooooong time to be in a state of panic, it seems as though the immediate danger causing this is always imminent, yet never strikes.

I don't think that a long, sustained state of panic is possible, whether for an individual, a group, or an entire institution. They would eventually have time to calm down, assess the situation, and deal with it from there in a more thinking manner, beyond fight or flight.

Can anyone explain what part of this ongoing, long term state of panic that I may be missing? This was posted on main Q thread 23 Feb. 2019.


Dave Janda does the X22 Spotlight (again)

L8McwKPRm30


Yeah it's a good point. The only things people focus on are usually less important and sometimes not even real. They often miss the real even when right in front of them. You know, like DJT's response when things got heated in NY and he didn't get his way. To run off, throw a tantrum and move to a new state. And it's the old state's fault for not appreciating him of course. The psychology behind the action is the same that drives him to comb his hair as he does, "NARCISSISTIC INSECURITY" which is a bad thing to see in a world leader no matter the country. Yet no one picks up on it! Amazing! It's an easy attack zone right there wide open into his psyche and no one uses it. If I was ruthless that's where i'd hit him.

Well I was really trying to leave Trump out of it, and focus on the information circle surrounding him (whether pro or con), or any other president for that matter. My question directly concerns atleast 9 straight months of X22 breathlessly reporting DS now in a state of panic.


Generalised Anxiety Disorde (https://adaa.org/understanding-anxiety/generalized-anxiety-disorder-gad)r is a thing, and is prominent in people who rise to power using deceit and unscrupulous means (they often have a constant worry that others are out to get them, the same way they’ve been out to get others).

I see it's a disorder Jayke, but only in the sense of any other person who has a disorder with continuous panic/anxiety attacks and such.

X22 is very deliberately implying that DS is for some time now in a constant state of panic, because of very explicit moves and pressures being applied to it, not some general state of paranoia that people in seats of high power have probably suffered from time immemorial.

[Jayke]

I see it's a disorder Jayke, but only in the sense of any other person who has a disorder with continuous panic/anxiety attacks and such.

X22 is very deliberately implying that DS is for some time now in a constant state of panic, because of very explicit moves and pressures being applied to it, not some general state of paranoia that people in seats of high power have probably suffered from time immemorial.

Are you implying generalised anxiety disorder is mere paranoia rather than anxiety? Anxiety can be a factor in paranoia, but generalised anxiety disorder manifests more in the form of panic attacks.

Dictionary definitions

panic = sudden uncontrollable fear or anxiety, often causing wildly unthinking behaviour.


Paranoia = a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically worked into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.

It’s the level 5 character types who suffer the most from paranoia (chronic cortisol response), the level 6 people just have overactive amygdalas (sensitivity to epinephrine). Subtle difference in brain chemistry but it does lead to very pronounced and delineated character type behaviours.

The bloated bureaucracy is mostly made up of the level 6 character types i.e. the politicians and media pundits. The paranoid level 5’s make up the money cartel operators within the deep state, the hidden hand that work from the shadows.

How do you know these deep state operators aren’t panicking? it’s obvious the level 6 type ones are.

X22 does pump out a lot of content I must admit, but they’re generally high-quality, evidence backed analysis of ongoing events.

[Gracy]

How do you know these deep state operators aren’t panicking? it’s obvious the level 6 type ones are.

Because again Jayke, panic is a short term phenomena. What you're pointing at is generalized criminal anxiety of being caught, not full blown fight or flight panic. I see zero credible evidence of swamp draining panic from X22, or anyone else.

Lip service? You betchya, as in the lie that we're leaving Syria, even though we're not only really staying and becoming more entrenched, but now pirating their oil to boot.

Actual evidence that anything is changing on a fundamental level? Sorry, not seeing it.

To be clear, this is not about Trump, it's not about any president, its about how this nation continues to do it's business in general.

[Ratszinger]

How do you know these deep state operators aren’t panicking? it’s obvious the level 6 type ones are.

Because again Jayke, panic is a short term phenomena. What you're pointing at is generalized criminal anxiety of being caught, not full blown fight or flight panic. I see zero credible evidence of swamp draining panic from X22, or anyone else.

Lip service? You betchya, as in the lie that we're leaving Syria, even though we're not only really staying and becoming more entrenched, but now pirating their oil to boot.

Actual evidence that anything is changing on a fundamental level? Sorry, not seeing it.

To be clear, this is not about Trump, it's not about any president, its about how this nation continues to do it's business in general.

Surely you would concede that panic can occur frequently in various and differing events causing short term panic runs to correct? Multiple events lead to multiple reactions to counter and it is only logical to me that some of those short term maneuvers would be carried out in or near panic mode by operators trying to please a very demanding superior.

[Jayke]

How do you know these deep state operators aren’t panicking? it’s obvious the level 6 type ones are.

Because again Jayke, panic is a short term phenomena. What you're pointing at is generalized criminal anxiety of being caught, not full blown fight or flight panic. I see zero credible evidence of swamp draining panic from X22, or anyone else.

Lip service? You betchya, as in the lie that we're leaving Syria, even though we're not only really staying and becoming more entrenched, but now pirating their oil to boot.

Actual evidence that anything is changing on a fundamental level? Sorry, not seeing it.

To be clear, this is not about Trump, it's not about any president, its about how this nation continues to do it's business in general.

Surely you would concede that panic can occur frequently in various and differing events causing short term panic runs to correct? Multiple events lead to multiple reactions to counter and it is only logical to me that some of those short term maneuvers would be carried out in or near panic mode by operators trying to please a very demanding superior.

Exactly! Generalised Anxiety is very different than just a singular panic attack. When anxiety becomes generalised, panic attacks occur frequently in waves, and almost anything can become a trigger. It’s not the same as the short term panic one might experience at losing ones keys or forgetting to pick your kids up from school. Generalised anxiety can be crippling!

If the Democratic Party was a person, the rancid coup attempts they keep pushing would be a sign of cognitive impairment brought about through a heightened state of anxiety. The more those coup attempts fail, the more panicked those politicians are visibly freaking out.

The oil in Syria is pushed by the money men, and as I pointed out in my previous post, it’s a different character archetype running those elements of deep state affairs—paranoia—like maybe Israel shutting down its diplomatic embassies after the announced Syria withdrawal would be indicative of the level 5 types acting in a panicked manner.

[Gracy]

Surely you would concede that panic can occur frequently in various and differing events causing short term panic runs to correct? Multiple events lead to multiple reactions to counter and it is only logical to me that some of those short term maneuvers would be carried out in or near panic mode by operators trying to please a very demanding superior.

What evidence does X22 show, beyond conjecture, that demonstrate DS is in danger and in a state of deep constant panic?


The oil in Syria is pushed by the money men, and as I pointed out in my previous post, it’s a different character archetype running those elements of deep state affairs—paranoia—like maybe Israel shutting down its diplomatic embassies after the announced Syria withdrawal would be indicative of the level 5 types acting in a panicked manner.

Are you saying the current pres has nothing to do with the banditry of Syria's oil?

[Jayke]

Which videos of X22’s have you watched all the way through? Understood without prejudice? and comprehended the implications of after following through with your own research and observations?

For me, X22 did an interesting video with Harley Schlanger a few weeks ago...

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Even the level 5 money men ARE beginning to panic:

https://journal-neo.org/2019/11/02/china-breaks-the-western-debt-stranglehold-on-the-world/

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China Breaks the Western Debt Stranglehold on the World

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The west has colonized, exploited, ravaged and assassinated the people of the Global South for hundreds of years.

Up to the mid-20th Century Europe has occupied Africa, and large parts of Asia.

In Latin America, though much of the sub-Continent was “freed” from Spain and Portugal in the 19th Century – a new kind of colonization followed by the new Empire of the United States – under the so-called Monroe Doctrine, named after President James Monroe (1817 -1825), forbidding Europeans to interfere in any “American territory”. Latin America was then and is again today considered Washington’s Backyard.

In the last ten years or so, Washington has launched the Monreo Doctrine 2.0. This time expanding the interference policy beyond Europe – to the world. Democratic sovereign governments in Latin America that could choose freely their political and economic alliances in the world are not tolerated. China, entering into partnership agreements with Latin American countries, sought after vividly by the latter – is condemned by the US and the west, especially vassalic Europe.

Therefore, democratically elected center-left governments had to be “regime-changed’ – Honduras, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Paraguay. So far, they stumbled over Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua – and maybe Mexico.

Venezuela and Cuba are being economically strangled to exhaustion. But they are standing tall as pillars in defending the Latin American Continent – with economic assistance and military advice from China and Russia.

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Latin America is waking up – and so is Africa.

In Latin America, street protests against the US / IMF imposed debt trap and de consequential austerity programs, making the rich richer and the poor poorer, are raging in Honduras, Nicaragua, Ecuador, Chile, Argentina and even in Brazil. In Argentina, in a democratic election this past weekend, 27 October, the people deposed neoliberal President Macri. He was put in the Presidency via “tricked” elections by Washington in 2015. Macri ruined the prosperous country in his 4 year-reign. He privatized public services and infrastructure, education, health, transportation – and more, leading to hefty tariff increases, worker layoffs, unemployment and poverty. Poverty, at about 15% in 2015, when Macri took office, soared to over 40% in October 2019.

In 2018 Macri contracted the largest ever IMF loan of US$ 57.2 billion – a debt trap, if there was ever one. The new, just elected Fernandez-Fernandez center-left Government will have to devise programs to counter the impact of this massive debt.

All over in Latin America, people have had enough of the US / western imposed austerity and simultaneous exploitation of their natural resources. They want change – big style. They seek to detach from the economic and financial stranglehold of the west. They are looking for China and Russia as new partners in trade and in financial contracts.

The same in Africa – neocolonialism by the west, mostly France and the UK, through financial oppression, unfair trading deals and wester imposed – and militarily protected – despotic and corrupt leaders, has kept Africa poor and desolate after more than 50 years of so-called Independence. Africa is arguably still the Continent with the most natural resources the west covets and needs to preserve its luxury life style and continuous armament.

People, who do not conform, especially younger politicians and economists, who protest and speak out, because they see clearly through the western imposed economic crimes committed on a daily basis, are simply assassinated or otherwise silenced.

Here too, Africans are quietly seeking to move out of the claws of the west, seeking new relations with China and Russia. The recent Russian-African summit in Sochi was a vivid example.

China is invited to build infrastructure, fast trains, roads, ports and industrial parks – and the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is more than welcomed in Africa, as it projects common and equal development for all to benefit. BRI is the epitome for building a Community with a Shared Future for Mankind. China also offers a gradual release from the US / western dominated dollar-debt claws. Freeing a country from the dollar-based economy, is freeing it from the vulnerability of US / western imposed sanctions. This is an enormous relief that literally every country of the Global South – and possibly even Europe – is hoping for.

However, as could be expected, the west, led by the US of A, is pouncing China for engaging in “debt trap diplomacy”. Exactly the contrary of what is actually happening.

The truth is, though, countries throughout the world, be it in Africa, Asia, South Pacific and Latin America, are choosing to partner with China by their free will. According to a statement by a high-level African politician “China does not force or coerce us into a deal, we are free to choose and negotiate a win-win situation.” – That says it all.

The difference between the west and east is stark. While anybody and any country that does not agree with the US dictate and doctrine, risks being regime-changed or bombed, China does not impose her new Silk Road – the BRI – to any country. China invites, respecting national sovereignty. Who wants to join is welcome to do so. That applies as much to the Global South, as it does to Europe.

China’s President Xi Jinping launched the BRI in 2013. In 2014 Mr. Xi visited Madame Merkel in Germany, offering her to be at that time the western-most link to the BRI. Ms. Merkel under the spell of Washington, declined. President Xi returned and China continued working quietly on this fabulous worldwide economic development project – BRI – THE economic venture of the 21st Century, so massive that it was incorporated in 2017 into the Chinese Constitution.

It took the west however 6 years to acknowledge this new version of the more than 2000-year-old Silk Road. Only in 2019, the western mainstream media started reporting on the BRI – and always negatively, of course. The preaching was and still is – beware of the Chinese Dragon, they will dominate you and everything you own with their socialism.

This train of thought is typically western. Aggression seems to be in the genes of western societies, of western culture, as the hundreds of years of violent and despotic colonization and exploitation – and ongoing – are proving. Does it have to do with western monotheistic doctrines? – This is pure speculation, of course.

Again, the truth is multi-fold. – First, China does not have a history of invasion. China seeks a peaceful and egalitarian development of trade, science and foremost human wellbeing – a Tao tradition of non-aggression. Second, despite the “warnings” from the throne of the falling empire, about a hundred countries have already subscribed to participate in BRI – and that voluntarily. And third, China and Russia and along with them the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) are in a solid economic and defense alliance which encompasses close to half of the world population and about one third of the globes total economic output.

Hence, SCO members are – or may be, if they so choose – largely detached from the dollar hegemony. The western privately run and Wall Street controlled monetary transfer system, SWIFT, is no longer needed by SCO countries. They deal in local currencies and / or through the Chinese Interbank Payment System (CIPS).

It is no secret, that the empire, headquartered in Washington, is gradually decaying, economically as well as militarily. It’s just a matter of time. How much time, is difficult to guess. But Washington’s everyday behavior of dishing out sanctions left and right, disrupting international monetary transactions, confiscating and stealing other countries assets around the world, puts ever more nails in the Empire’s coffin. By doing this, America is herself committing economic and monetary suicide. Who wants to belong to a monetary system that can act willy-nilly to a county’s detriment? There is no need for outside help for this US-sponsored pyramid fiat monetary system to fall. It’s a house of cards that is already crumbling by its own weight.

The US dollar was some 20-25 years ago still to the tune of 90% the domineering reserve currency in the world. Today that proportion has declined to less than 60% – and falling. It is being replaced primarily by the Chinese yuan as the new reserve currency.

This is what the US-initiated trade war is all about – discrediting the yuan, a solid currency, based on China’s economy – and on gold. “Sanctioning” the Chinese economy with US tariffs, is supposed to hurt the yuan, to reduce its competition with the dollar as a world reserve currency. To no avail. The yuan is a worldwide recognized solid currency, the currency of the second largest economy. By some standards, like accounted by PPP (Purchasing Power Parity), the most important socioeconomic indicator for mankind, China is since 2017 the world’s number one economy.

This, and other constant attacks by Washington, is a typical desperate gesture of a dying beast – thrashing wildly left and right and above and below around itself to bring down into its grave as many perceived adversaries as possible. There is of course a clear danger that this fight for the empire’s survival might end nuclear – god forbid!

China’s and Russia’s policy, philosophy and diplomacy of non-aggression may save the world from extinction – including the people of the United States of America.

Peter Koenig is an economist and geopolitical analyst. After working for over 30 years with the World Bank he penned Implosion, an economic thriller, based on his first-hand experience. Exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”

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In regards to Trump, if you’d followed through with research I suggested you do on this thread during our last conversation several months ago (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107894-Other-Q-conversations-including-some-Questions-and-Answers&p=1306352&viewfull=1#post1306352), you’d have a much better understanding of what Trump is and isn’t trying to achieve, and what forces he’s up against within his own legal framework of government. (You’ve had plenty of time to catch up now—feigning ignorance of these issues just makes it feel like you’re playing your street epistemology game (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109064-Street-Epistemology) and getting kicks out of being a contrarian—rather than having a sincere desire to understand the truth.:facepalm:)

Try reviewing Thierry Meyssan at https://www.voltairenet.org/en if you have a sincere desire to understand the situation in the Middle East.

Even Syria’s president Assad said recently that Donald Trump is ‘the best US president’ (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/assad-donald-trump-best-us-president-ever) ever. Do you want me to explain how Trump being open and transparent about remaining in Syria for oil is a major blow to the level 5 deep state operators who stayed in Syria for oil despite Trump telling them he wants to leave? Because that kind of openness and transparency causes level 5 people—the ones who prefer to remain hidden and operate quietly in the shadows—to panic!

[Ratszinger]

Surely you would concede that panic can occur frequently in various and differing events causing short term panic runs to correct? Multiple events lead to multiple reactions to counter and it is only logical to me that some of those short term maneuvers would be carried out in or near panic mode by operators trying to please a very demanding superior.

What evidence does X22 show, beyond conjecture, that demonstrate DS is in danger and in a state of deep constant panic?


The oil in Syria is pushed by the money men, and as I pointed out in my previous post, it’s a different character archetype running those elements of deep state affairs—paranoia—like maybe Israel shutting down its diplomatic embassies after the announced Syria withdrawal would be indicative of the level 5 types acting in a panicked manner.

Are you saying the current pres has nothing to do with the banditry of Syria's oil?

I really don't listen to x22 so I can't say. My point is that anyone, even those not listening to x22 can see that there are numerous examples of panic talks and negotiations going on all over the political arena. I mean the facial expressions alone, the tears, the hatred and vindictiveness. These are all high emotions that elicit high emotion responses in short bursts that would parallel with panic. To me proof doesn't need to be from x22 it's in media sound bites watching witnesses, watching Schiff, and Pelosi, contort all over the place, studder, I mean these are all various forms of dealing with the kind of high anxiety stresses that are always surrounded by some levels of panic. Schiff's entire secretive inquiry and his secret whistleblower and his secret solid evidence of Russian collusion are all other examples I see and I don't even need x22!

[Gracy]

Which videos of X22’s have you watched all the way through? Understood without prejudice? and comprehended the implications of after following through with your own research and observations?

I've watched a couple here and there, and maybe a few minutes of several just to get the gist. So far as prejudice is concerned I don't have a dog in this fight, I simply dont see X22 as a credible source of information. Obviously we'll disagree on this point, and that's okay. :)

I'm not going to comment on the demeaning lecture, so straight to Syria.


Even Syria’s president Assad said recently that Donald Trump is ‘the best US president’ (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/assad-donald-trump-best-us-president-ever) ever.

Now that's putting a positive spin on a Cat 5 insult! I think this may well be how Q stays in business. Let's break down exactly what Assad said here, and thank you by the way for that, because I hadn't seen this quote.


All American presidents commit crimes and end up taking the Nobel Prize and appear as a defender of human rights and the 'unique' and 'brilliant' American or western principles.

But all they are is a group of criminals who only represent the interests of the American lobbies of large corporations in weapons, oil and others. Trump speaks with transparency to say 'We want the oil'…What do we want more than a transparent foe?

All he's basically saying is that US presidents are criminals, a cog in the wheel of DS, but atleast THIS current US president is open about it.

You know what? On that front I totally agree with him. If I'm forced to have a fight to the death with some foe come gunning for me, I'd much prefer that foe to announce himself at the front gate like Achilles did with Hector, rather than slithering about in stealth, and acting like a really great guy like Obama did while preparing to slip a knife in my back.

On this front is where I think Trump is doing a great service, he just doesnt give a flyin s**t lol. Like Assad pointed out he's ripped off the mask of smiling, polite statesman, that hides the heartless criminal within.



One other thing. Where is the concern for Syria, and the Syrian people, in all of this? It's almost like... they're not really even relevant, not even a concern, that this is just a big, neutral chess board, and the people are nothing but the sacrificial pawns.

Jayke, their country is being raped militarily, and economically strangled with sanctions, how does this make Trump the good guy as he loots their oil to boot? I know he didn't start this fire but, he sure as hell ain't ending it...


Do you want me to explain how Trump being open and transparent about remaining in Syria for oil is a major blow to the level 5 deep state operators who stayed in Syria for oil despite Trump telling them he wants to leave?

Yes, please explain to me how being open and honest about the US looting Syria's oil, selling on the black market to pay for more destruction of Syria, is a blow to DS. I'm all ears...


Because that kind of openness and transparency causes level 5 people—the ones who prefer to remain hidden and operate quietly in the shadows—to panic!

You mean people like this guy? His Treasury Secretary who should be in prison for robbing people of their homes in California? What level are billionaireGoldman Sachs/hedge fund guys like this? Please educate me.

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My point is that anyone, even those not listening to x22 can see that there are numerous examples of panic talks and negotiations going on all over the political arena. I mean the facial expressions alone, the tears, the hatred and vindictiveness. These are all high emotions that elicit high emotion responses in short bursts that would parallel with panic.

Thanks for keeping it more on topic Ratszinger.

I just see the types you're talking about here as seething little vindictive trolls with TDS, I don't see panic.

Why would people like Schiff and Pelosi be panicking? Are they worried about that ever imminent mass frog march to Gitmo or something? Serious question, what do they have to panic over beyond the typical loss of political power and influence, can you show me something I may have missed?

[Ratszinger]

Which videos of X22’s have you watched all the way through? Understood without prejudice? and comprehended the implications of after following through with your own research and observations?

I've watched a couple here and there, and maybe a few minutes of several just to get the gist. So far as prejudice is concerned I don't have a dog in this fight, I simply dont see X22 as a credible source of information. Obviously we'll disagree on this point, and that's okay. :)

I'm not going to comment on the demeaning lecture, so straight to Syria.


Even Syria’s president Assad said recently that Donald Trump is ‘the best US president’ (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/assad-donald-trump-best-us-president-ever) ever.

Now that's putting a positive spin on a Cat 5 insult! I think this may well be how Q stays in business. Let's break down exactly what Assad said here, and thank you by the way for that, because I hadn't seen this quote.


All American presidents commit crimes and end up taking the Nobel Prize and appear as a defender of human rights and the 'unique' and 'brilliant' American or western principles.

But all they are is a group of criminals who only represent the interests of the American lobbies of large corporations in weapons, oil and others. Trump speaks with transparency to say 'We want the oil'…What do we want more than a transparent foe?

All he's basically saying is that US presidents are criminals, a cog in the wheel of DS, but atleast THIS current US president is open about it.

You know what? On that front I totally agree with him. If I'm forced to have a fight to the death with some foe come gunning for me, I'd much prefer that foe to announce himself at the front gate like Achilles did with Hector, rather than slithering about in stealth, and acting like a really great guy like Obama did while preparing to slip a knife in my back.

On this front is where I think Trump is doing a great service, he just doesnt give a flyin s**t lol. Like Assad pointed out he's ripped off the mask of smiling, polite statesman, that hides the heartless criminal within.



One other thing. Where is the concern for Syria, and the Syrian people, in all of this? It's almost like... they're not really even relevant, not even a concern, that this is just a big, neutral chess board, and the people are nothing but the sacrificial pawns.

Jayke, their country is being raped militarily, and economically strangled with sanctions, how does this make Trump the good guy as he loots their oil to boot? I know he didn't start this fire but, he sure as hell ain't ending it...


Do you want me to explain how Trump being open and transparent about remaining in Syria for oil is a major blow to the level 5 deep state operators who stayed in Syria for oil despite Trump telling them he wants to leave?

Yes, please explain to me how being open and honest about the US looting Syria's oil, selling on the black market to pay for more destruction of Syria, is a blow to DS. I'm all ears...


Because that kind of openness and transparency causes level 5 people—the ones who prefer to remain hidden and operate quietly in the shadows—to panic!

You mean people like this guy? His Treasury Secretary who should be in prison for robbing people of their homes in California? What level are billionaireGoldman Sachs/hedge fund guys like this? Please educate me.

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My point is that anyone, even those not listening to x22 can see that there are numerous examples of panic talks and negotiations going on all over the political arena. I mean the facial expressions alone, the tears, the hatred and vindictiveness. These are all high emotions that elicit high emotion responses in short bursts that would parallel with panic.

Thanks for keeping it more on topic Ratszinger.

I just see the types you're talking about here as seething little vindictive trolls with TDS, I don't see panic.

Why would people like Schiff and Pelosi be panicking? Are they worried about that ever imminent mass frog march to Gitmo or something? Serious question, what do they have to panic over beyond the typical loss of political power and influence, can you show me something I may have missed?

Are you actually serious?? Trump being re-elected of course! What else could it be but Trump? The one thing you don't want to talk about but that is the whole motive behind it. Keep Trump out of the oval office is their mantra and you've completely missed it. Whoosh! Right over your head!

[Ratszinger]

Oh I should probably point out that there is a saying that in life you don't want to go around focusing on what you don't want because all universe hears you saying is what you want. It doesn't understand not wanting or hear it. Anti-gun means more guns. Anti-abortion more abortion and so on. Pro-life is the proper forward motion thought pattern. The democrats are so focused on what they don't want, "Trump's re-election", that they've lost complete track of a winning train of thought toward winning. Focus on what they don't want means more Trump.

[Gracy]

The democrats are so focused on what they don't want, "Trump's re-election", that they've lost complete track of a winning train of thought toward winning. Focus on what they don't want means more Trump.

I agree. I would say to them if you want Trump's base to show up in hordes like gang busters, and you want to crown a has been mobster like Joe Biden (Hillary 2.0) to be your "Never Trumper" candidate, then by golly keep on keepin on with that losing strategy.

[Gracy]

Why would people like Schiff and Pelosi be panicking? Are they worried about that ever imminent mass frog march to Gitmo or something? Serious question, what do they have to panic over beyond the typical loss of political power and influence, can you show me something I may have missed?


Are you actually serious?? Trump being re-elected of course! What else could it be but Trump? The one thing you don't want to talk about but that is the whole motive behind it. Keep Trump out of the oval office is their mantra and you've completely missed it. Whoosh! Right over your head!

Woops I missed this one! :facepalm:

To be clear, I'm not avoiding talking about anything here Ratszinger, just that the whole gist of my question was centered around this supposed mass, sweeping, never ending DS panic because the hammer is always about to fall (but never does) and they're all bound for Gitmo.

Not about these petty, sniveling democrats suffering from TDS.

Speaking of which, how did it go whoosh right over my head, when I mentioned TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) in part of my answer to you?


I just see the types you're talking about here as seething little vindictive trolls with TDS,

I guess I could have added that they would be better off trying to sleigh their boogey man at the ballot box, and not this constant Russia/impeachment nonsense, is that better?

But again, I'm after bigger fish.

[Ratszinger]

Why would people like Schiff and Pelosi be panicking? Are they worried about that ever imminent mass frog march to Gitmo or something? Serious question, what do they have to panic over beyond the typical loss of political power and influence, can you show me something I may have missed?


Are you actually serious?? Trump being re-elected of course! What else could it be but Trump? The one thing you don't want to talk about but that is the whole motive behind it. Keep Trump out of the oval office is their mantra and you've completely missed it. Whoosh! Right over your head!

Woops I missed this one! :facepalm:

To be clear, I'm not avoiding talking about anything here Ratszinger, just that the whole gist of my question was centered around this supposed mass, sweeping, never ending DS panic because the hammer is always about to fall (but never does) and they're all bound for Gitmo.

Not about these petty, sniveling democrats suffering from TDS.

Speaking of which, how did it go whoosh right over my head, when I mentioned TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) in part of my answer to you?


I just see the types you're talking about here as seething little vindictive trolls with TDS,

I guess I could have added that they would be better off trying to sleigh their boogey man at the ballot box, and not this constant Russia/impeachment nonsense, is that better?

But again, I'm after bigger fish.

I find it interesting that you consider some of the people mentioned as trolls when they have a very high security clearance perhaps even higher than that of Trump. The position of Schiff and Pelosi is not that of trolls but they are part of the deep state in that they follow the orders from them down and do their bidding. Anyone that thinks deep state isn't real need simply look at the postal money and how it mysteriously disappears because there is a certain three letter agency with a back door to funnel funds directly from them and I understand if not for this the postage would not be what it is. Pelosi and Schiff would be big fish in anyone's book. So would Nadler is it> I always get him confused with another similar name. Anyway the other nemesis that guy.

[Gracy]

I find it interesting that you consider some of the people mentioned as trolls when they have a very high security clearance perhaps even higher than that of Trump. The position of Schiff and Pelosi is not that of trolls but they are part of the deep state in that they follow the orders from them down and do their bidding. Anyone that thinks deep state isn't real need simply look at the postal money and how it mysteriously disappears because there is a certain three letter agency with a back door to funnel funds directly from them and I understand if not for this the postage would not be what it is. Pelosi and Schiff would be big fish in anyone's book. So would Nadler is it> I always get him confused with another similar name. Anyway the other nemesis that guy.

I mean troll as in the troll that lives down under the bridge. :)

By bigger fish, I mean the people that the Pelosi/Schiff type would answer to, and that their supposed reason for long term panic would be the possibility of a total DS overthrow, not the reelection of Trump.

By the way, I consider bad orange man to be every bit as much under the thumb of DS as the ridiculous dems who despise him so. It follows him around like a shadow same as all the others.

The proof is in his actions, not his words.

[Jayke]

We all know Trump has his hands tied by the Pentagon warmongers and oil chiefs. So why do people focus on Trump and not the Pentagon guys? Who are the deeper players in the Pentagon swamp that swim beneath the superficial layers of governance?

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https://larouchepub.com/pr/2019/191029_esper_confirms.html





Esper Confirms That U.S. Troops Are in Syrian Oil Fields

Oct. 29, 2019 (EIRNS)—Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley explicitly confirmed, during a press briefing at the Pentagon yesterday, that U.S. troops are occupying the Deir Ezzor oil fields in eastern Syria. Esper claimed that the U.S. military intention remains unchanged, and that is to ensure the defeat of ISIS. “Additionally, the United States will retain control of oil fields in northeast Syria.... U.S. troops will remain positioned in this strategic area to deny ISIS access to those vital resources, and we will respond with overwhelming military force against any group that threatens the safety of our forces there,” Esper continued. “These oil fields also provide a critical source of funding for the SDF, which enables their ability to secure ISIS’ prison camps and conduct operations against ISIS, among other things.” The SDF, or Syrian Democratic Forces, that he was referring to is the U.S.-backed Kurdish-dominated militia. Esper confirmed that the new deployment is already underway, but didn’t give details as to its size and composition other than to say that it includes mechanized forces.

In response to the question of whether or not the U.S. presence was also meant to deny the oil fields to the Russian military and the Syrian government, Esper replied that “the short answer is yes, because in that case we want to make sure that SDF does have access to the resources in order to guard the prisons, in order to arm their own troops, in order to assist us with the Defeat-ISIS mission.”

The Russians, as is well known, are opposed to this U.S. action. “Doubtlessly, these oil fields must be under the control of the Syrian government, and we believe that it is the only solution,” Alexander Lavrentiev, the Russian special envoy for Syria, told reporters this morning.

Britain’s daily Guardian reported that “The change of mind” about keeping troops in Syria “reportedly came after Pentagon officials persuaded the President that it was essential to protect east Syrian oil resources.” Yesterday, President Donald Trump told a gathering of police chiefs in Chicago, “We’re keeping the oil.”

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Regarding Assad and why Trump explicitly stating how ‘they’re staying for the oil’ is a blow to the level 5 oil men?

Clare Graves descriptor for the level 5 archetype is “express selves calculatedly for personal benefit at others expense”... Martin Geddes gets it so I’ll just share his tweet:

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Even when Trump follows deep state orders he still throws a spanner in the works to interrupt the deep states long term plans. By exposing the facade and stating the true intent, the shelf life of the ‘stealing oil from Syria’ plan has just been diminished considerably. The Pentagons ‘soft power’ (political and cultural influence) card is depleted, while the ‘hard power’ (military) is already being cut off and trimmed back from every angle.

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Where does TDS stem from? A heightened sense of anxiety? chronic stress? Generalised Anxiety Disorder? Perhaps you can educate me since you seem to think you know more about my field of expertise than I do :facepalm:

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Trumps actions over the past couple years have prevented world war 3 and the complete destruction of Syria. I give the guy huge credit considering how much worse things could’ve been under Hillary. And X22 for the constant updates and newstreams, he’s put more effort into getting the truth out than most of us.

[Gracy]

Even when Trump follows deep state orders he still throws a spanner in the works to interrupt the deep states long term plans. By exposing the facade and stating the true intent, the shelf life of the ‘stealing oil from Syria’ plan has just been diminished considerably. The Pentagons ‘soft power’ (political and cultural influence) card is depleted, while the ‘hard power’ (military) is already being cut off and trimmed back from every angle.

He's not throwing any spanners in the works Jayke, he's being a good boy and doing as he's told.

Hardly anyone in the general public even knows about the US looting of Syria's oil, and even if they do, they're being taught it's a big time patriot move because "Syria bad guy/US good guy, and by God we deserve that black market money to once again save the day in the Middle East!"

How was ISIS in Syria in the first place? Because DS wanted them there to basically be it's ground force to overthrow bad guy Assad. Would you argue with this?

Wasn't Trump just recently bragging that ISIS is now 100% defeated? And now we just HAVE TO heist Syria's oil to protect it from 100% defeated ISIS?

Bottom line, Syria is not entitled to it's own oil, the Syrian people don't matter, we will never leave there, or anywhere else, and there will always be some manufactured excuse to continue doing so. Thats Whether Hillary is pres, Trump is Pres, or my cat is pres.

If you want to argue this, have at it. I'll need some evidence beyond these slippery 5D chess moves that never seem to pan out.


Where does TDS stem from? A heightened sense of anxiety? chronic stress? Generalised Anxiety Disorder? Perhaps you can educate me since you seem to think you know more about my field of expertise than I do :facepalm:

Uh oh. What exactly is your field of expertise whose toes I am stepping on, so that I dare not question or challenge it from now on.

[Jayke]

You can download my books from the website link on my members profile page if you like Gracy. But don’t let my 2 decades of multiple systems of psychology training get in the way of your angry rants or anything. Feel free to stomp on toes all day long if you find it cathartic. :p

Seriously though, it’s kind of amusing that you feel you have a better grasp of geopolitics than Thierry Meyssan, or even the Schiller Institute—who have been in this fight since before either of us were born. You don’t like X22, that’s fine... what’s your opinion on Helga LaRouche:


https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2019/11/03/webcast-people-are-in-rebellion-globally-against-the-collapsing-neo-liberal-system/

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Video Description:

Helga opened her weekly webcast by insisting that people actually watch President Trump’s rally in Tupelo, Mississippi, as they will see an entirely different dynamic from what is conveyed in the media and by his opponents. A significant section of the U.S. electorate responds enthusiastically to his presentations, as he continues to emphasize ending the Bush-Obama wars, while fighting the conspiracy being run against him. She called the Democrats push for impeachment a “high-risk game…which can backfire.”

What we are living through is an incredible historic moment, a showdown between millions worldwide who are angry, who are being mobilized in the U.S. by Trump, against the British Empire, which has captured the Democratic Party. She reminded viewers that her husband said, when Trump was elected, that this was not a U.S. event, but global, as we see now with the mass strike sweeping the world. She reviewed developments around the impeachment, including the fraud of Schiff’s “whistleblower”. She pointed to progress in Syria, based on Trump-Putin collaboration, and trade talks with China, to show what Trump is doing that is causing the hysteria behind impeachment.

In reviewing the ongoing financial/economic collapse, and the hare-brained schemes of Lagarde, Carney, et.al., which will only make things worse, she pointed to the unique solutions developed by her husband Lyndon LaRouche. Now is not the time for passivity, she concluded, but for you, the viewer, to get involved and support our organization.

[Bill Ryan]

You can download my books from the website link on my members profile page if you like Gracy. But don’t let my 2 decades of multiple systems of psychology training get in the way of your angry rants or anything. Feel free to stomp on toes all day long if you find it cathartic. :p

(aside)

If I'd written a paragraph like that, I might not be boasting about my two decades of psychology training.

:focus:

[Jayke]

You can download my books from the website link on my members profile page if you like Gracy. But don’t let my 2 decades of multiple systems of psychology training get in the way of your angry rants or anything. Feel free to stomp on toes all day long if you find it cathartic. :p

(aside)

If I'd written a paragraph like that, I might not be boasting about my two decades of psychology training.

:focus:

Feel free to elaborate Bill, I do enjoy some juicy critiques. :bigsmile:

[Gracy]

You can download my books from the website link on my members profile page if you like Gracy. But don’t let my 2 decades of multiple systems of psychology training get in the way of your angry rants or anything. Feel free to stomp on toes all day long if you find it cathartic. :p

Wow, so your "2 decades of multiple systems of psychology training", leads you to confidently misdiagnose my questions and observations of your opinions on these topics as being merely, "angry rants"?

Not having deep credentials in psychology, one might take that as deflection instead. Why don't we get back on subject, and you address my last post...

[Jayke]

You can download my books from the website link on my members profile page if you like Gracy. But don’t let my 2 decades of multiple systems of psychology training get in the way of your angry rants or anything. Feel free to stomp on toes all day long if you find it cathartic. :p

Wow, so your "2 decades of multiple systems of psychology training", leads you to confidently misdiagnose my questions and observations of your opinions on these topics as being merely, "angry rants"?

Not having deep credentials in psychology, one might take that as deflection instead. Why don't we get back on subject, and you address my last post...

Which part of your last post did I not address with my previous posts?

[Gracy]

Never mind Jayke, we're spinning our wheels here now.

[Jayke]

Never mind Jayke, we're spinning our wheels here now.

Usually how these Q thread debates end up. :blushing: And I was only joking with the ‘angry rant’ comment (hence the sticky out tongue at the end of that paragraph and the ‘seriously now’ to open the next). Obviously banter doesn’t come across well in written text, but ah well, tensions get flared in these backwaters of the Avalon forum for whatever reason. :bearhug::heart:

[Gracy]

In mgray's column today (https://grayseconomy.com/2019/11/25/senate-questions-could-impeach-these-witnesses/) he asks some astute questions.


As a final wrap up to the House impeachment inquiry last week, I was scratching my head over the number of foreign-born participants in the hearing.

Lt. Col Alex Vindman, Fiona Hill and Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch are all naturalized citizens. They were also the most vocal defenders of the Ukrainian status quo.

I have to question their allegiance since all of the witnesses questioned President Trump’s ability to conduct foreign policy, which was to counter long-standing operations towards Ukraine.

As I believe the House will more than likely vote to move the impeachment charges to the Senate for trial, I look forward to hearing more about the motives of these three individuals to fight investigations into corruption.


No question this time, just an observation.

While I have no problem what so ever in questioning the ultimate motives of people like this, I do find it troubling to start questioning their motives, even partially based, on whether they are naturalized citizens, or citizens from families with long standing history here. A citizen is a citizen is a citizen in the United States, period.

History dictates this type of suspicion has the potential to start turning dangerous given the right set of circumstances.

[Chester]

We were discussing the Epstein issue over a year ago, because it was brought up in the Q posts.

It's only now breaking news for people not following Q.

Edina- You seriously believe only Q followers had heard of Epstein's case- you're talking about the notorious billionaire with the $56 million dollar mansion in the middle of the largest city in the States?
I realize a lot of Q followers are completely opposed to reading any kind of conventional news, but this guy has been infamous for decades. I mean, I remember when he got arrested the last time, 10 years ago, and he'd been a known danger for at least a decade at that point.

Oh, by the way, maybe you don't know this- one of the leads on the Epstein case is none other than James Comey's daughter.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/07/daughter-of-ex-fbi-director-comey-is-prosecutor-in-epstein-case-report/
Does that square with the Q narrative?

I just read this post.

What edina said was... "talking about it" - yes, many of us knew all about Epstein and for years... but her point was that at the time she was referring to which was way before Epstein became "news" again was "being talked about" by the Q crowd.

That Comey's daughter was the "lead prosecutor" on the Epstein case actually [I]could be interpreted as "squaring with the Q narrative." Consider "situation management" examples like when Lorreta Lynch (as "acting" lead attorney) instructed Comey to call the "Clinton e-mail issue a "matter" showing the importance of being "on top of" and in charge of "outcome management."

See, when it becomes clear that pawns like Epstein can, at any time, be deemed a liability (and certainly expendable), you look at the best ways to manage the situation. Put a trusted insider on the case to ensure achievement of the desired outcome - an arrest and isolation where he can be silenced... as he was. Notice also how quickly the FBI descended upon "Epstein Island" where it may not be too unreasonable to consider the goal would be to ensure certain evidences are "secured" such that if such evidence "points to matters you would rather not expose" you can bury it and, if you have to, "lose it" like has been recently admitted to by the Justice Department (the FBI's boss) with regards to all exculpatory evidence held by the FBI in January 2017 regarding Flynn.

[EDIT ADDED] - Brilliant point made by mgray (below)



This is what happens when people only get their news from anonymous 8chan posts.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comeys-daughter-named-to-epstein-prosecution-team

Maurene Comey, an assistant U.S. attorney, was named alongside Alex Rossmiller and Alison Moe as the prosecutors assisting Berman with the case. James Comey, who was fired as FBI director in 2017 by President Trump, had been a U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York before he became deputy attorney general under President George W. Bush.

Both Comey and AG Alberto R. Gonzales had to sign off on Acost's plea agreement with Epstein. Surely a US Attorney in Miami could not have pulled the trigger on the deal without checking with DC.

[Chester]

Quote from jcking:


Re: The 'censorship' discussion. :)
It's an incredible assumption on your part that others not following Q hadn't heard of billionaire Epstein, I'm using a similarly flippant assumption to show you how silly it looks to group together the other 7.5 billion people on Earth and their collective knowledge. Let me know when you find that source.


I've been aware of Epstein for a long time, and it's obvious that Comey should recuse herself, due to the Clinton connection. Is the MSM calling for that?

Bingo - not at all a foolish thing to consider she is there for "situation management" purposes. Yet this is easy for me to say in the present as we know the perfect outcome [from "they're" POV] was achieved.

[Chester]

I have been highly critical of any groups whose participants engage in belief that runs counter to evidence. I am very sorry if I have offended you -- and I mean that sincerely.

What can be considered "evidence" is most often circumstantial and thus subject to interpretation. What is sometimes, maybe rarely, but once is too often, presented as evidence is fraudulent.

What is often cited as fact (and thus considered "evidence") by much of the corporate controlled "mainstream media" later is exposed as false or significantly misleading. If retractions are published (or stated), they are usually buried as deep as possible. "They" know that the sensationalized "information" is much more greatly digested than any retraction.

Bias from either side (and all sides in between) should always be weighed by the observer (including their own, especially their own).

I know my biases. I am also fortunate enough to have been so incredibly wrong at times, that it doesn't bother me anymore to admit it when I learn that I have been. Not perfectly... but far better than my earlier days of this lifetime.

[Gracy]

Major General Paul E. Vallely’s describes Q anon as being ‘white hats’ from the ‘army of northern Virginia’:

https://mobile.twitter.com/QAnonNotables/status/1241558218741932032
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Paul Vellely would not be amongst my go to sources for accurate as possible information. Author of "From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory"

A short clip from co-author Michael Aquino (Page 3). Yes, THAT Michael Aquino:


The advantage of MindWar is that it conducts wars in nonlethal, noninjurous, and nondestructive ways. Essentially you overwhelm your enemy with argument. You seize control of all of the means by which his government and populace process information to make up their minds, and you adjust it so that those minds are made up as you desire. Everyone is happy, no one gets hurt or killed, and nothing is destroyed.
https://www.wanttoknow.info/mk/mindwar-michael-aquino.pdf

[Jayke]

Major General Paul E. Vallely’s describes Q anon as being ‘white hats’ from the ‘army of northern Virginia’:

https://mobile.twitter.com/QAnonNotables/status/1241558218741932032
1241558218741932032

Paul Vellely would not be amongst my go to sources for accurate as possible information. Author of "From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory"

A short clip from co-author Michael Aquino (Page 3). Yes, THAT Michael Aquino:


The advantage of MindWar is that it conducts wars in nonlethal, noninjurous, and nondestructive ways. Essentially you overwhelm your enemy with argument. You seize control of all of the means by which his government and populace process information to make up their minds, and you adjust it so that those minds are made up as you desire. Everyone is happy, no one gets hurt or killed, and nothing is destroyed.
https://www.wanttoknow.info/mk/mindwar-michael-aquino.pdf

I’d agree! The main Q thread hasn’t been about finding pristine sources of solid gold. It’s more about grabbing a pan of dirt and sifting through all the variables until the specks of gold settle on the surface.

The Q notables twitter page is about interesting tidbits. By itself it doesn’t mean much, but I found the mention of Virginia noteworthy due to a couple other random data points.

The State Senator of Virginia, General Richard Black, was the pentagon official who gave warning that MI6 was plotting a fake gas attack in Syria last year, and in doing so prevented the excuse for regime change. Senator Black works closely with the Schiller Institute and LaRouchePac, who are also based in Leesburg, Virginia.

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I signed up for a monthly donation to the Schiller Institute a couple years ago and was immediately followed on Twitter by several WWG1WGA characters (they’re literally my only followers on there since I never post or interact on twitter and only use it as a news feed). It was because of these connections I suggested Lyndon LaRouches people might have devised the Q plan back in 2018.


I found this interview with Lyndon LaRouche and Jesse Ventura recently. The interview is a few years old but LaRouche makes a couple very interesting statements, that could relate to this whole Q movement.


That Ronald Reagan created a new intelligence agency, specifically for LaRouche and the SDI (Star Wars) project he was working on.
That the LaRouche movement has a plan for getting the information out to the public, the information necessary to take down the cabal.

LaRouche has got to be the coolest 92 year old ever. The more I learn about him, the more I think he’s the real life Nick Fury from Marvels SHIELD (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fury) comics. :ROFL:

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Intelligence operatives connected—maybe even just loosely connected—to the LaRouche movement, are still my number 1 contenders for Q’s identity. Either that, or it’s just the greatest LARP concocted in a generation. I’m still enjoying the show, even though Q has been quiet for a while.

By itself, Gracy, Paul Vallely’s interview is pretty meaningless, but in the context of other data points, the mention of ‘the army of Virginia’ could have some significance as the bigger picture continues to emerge. I’m not saying it’s definitely relevant, just holding it as an interesting data point until greater context can be found.

[Gracy]

Here's an open letter to the president, from Andrew Torba of GAB, that raises more Section 230 issues.


We are attacked by Big Tech because we stand for freedom and because we compete with their control over the flow of information online. We operate a social media site that has one core rule: political speech that is protected by the First Amendment is allowed on our site. We do not take sides.

Hey there edina, this offers me another opportunity to try and find clarification on an ongoing question of mine concerning the near and dear value of free speech:

After praising Julian Assange and Wikileaks throughout the 2016 election campaign, President Trump doesn't even seem to recall this issue any more, all while having unleashed the dogs of war against him.

How does this square with a President being a great activist for free speech? Bringing back around to topic, is there maybe a Q drop I've missed on this or something that can easily explain away an obvious concern?

[T Smith]

[QUOTE=edina;1383794]
Here's an open letter to the president, from Andrew Torba of GAB, that raises more Section 230 issues.




Hey there edina, this offers me another opportunity to try and find clarification on an ongoing question of mine concerning the near and dear value of free speech:

After praising Julian Assange and Wikileaks throughout the 2016 election campaign, President Trump doesn't even seem to recall this issue any more, all while having unleashed the dogs of war against him.

How does this square with a President being a great activist for free speech? Bringing back around to topic, is there maybe a Q drop I've missed on this or something that can easily explain away an obvious concern?

How do you know? Wouldn't it be nice if we had honest press/moderators who would ask real questions about these things? Instead of whether he continually condemns White Supremacy, or how much he is leveraged, or whether he will condemn Qanon, or whatever disparaging narrative they can impose on his viewpoints? What I see is a non-polished articulating street-fighter on the defensive 24/7 against baseless, agenda-riden attacks; as such there is no room for real criticism. The question you raise, along with his comments in years past about Snowden, is real criticism. Not fabricated drivel by the Ministry of Truth meant to distract. I'd like to know. Maybe then I would change my own views.

I do know Trump was "negotiating" with Assange (don't necessarily agree with this tactic, but that's his MO) about pardoning him, in exchange for Assange disclosing his source on the leaks on the DNC scandal (Seth Rich), but Assange, to his credit, stuck to his journalistic principals. But this doesn't mean Trump doesn't agree with Assange and free speech--it only means Trump needs something in return, to boost his political stock, to take the unfathomable political risk of supporting him. Again--and emphatically--I don't personally agree with this, but that doesn't mean I don't understand it.

You might be surprised, Gracy, if Trump was ever given an honest platform to expound on his views about these things (but that will never happen), that he might just surprise you. But that might even make you come around and support him... gasp.... :)

[edina]

Here's an open letter to the president, from Andrew Torba of GAB, that raises more Section 230 issues.


We are attacked by Big Tech because we stand for freedom and because we compete with their control over the flow of information online. We operate a social media site that has one core rule: political speech that is protected by the First Amendment is allowed on our site. We do not take sides.

Hey there edina, this offers me another opportunity to try and find clarification on an ongoing question of mine concerning the near and dear value of free speech:

After praising Julian Assange and Wikileaks throughout the 2016 election campaign, President Trump doesn't even seem to recall this issue any more, all while having unleashed the dogs of war against him.

How does this square with a President being a great activist for free speech? Bringing back around to topic, is there maybe a Q drop I've missed on this or something that can easily explain away an obvious concern?

Great! Clarify away.

Let me know what you think.

[Gracy]

Here's an open letter to the president, from Andrew Torba of GAB, that raises more Section 230 issues.


We are attacked by Big Tech because we stand for freedom and because we compete with their control over the flow of information online. We operate a social media site that has one core rule: political speech that is protected by the First Amendment is allowed on our site. We do not take sides.

Hey there edina, this offers me another opportunity to try and find clarification on an ongoing question of mine concerning the near and dear value of free speech:

After praising Julian Assange and Wikileaks throughout the 2016 election campaign, President Trump doesn't even seem to recall this issue any more, all while having unleashed the dogs of war against him.

How does this square with a President being a great activist for free speech? Bringing back around to topic, is there maybe a Q drop I've missed on this or something that can easily explain away an obvious concern?

Great! Clarify away.

Let me know what you think.

Well, I'm the one who's not clear on this, I was sort of hoping for some sort of clarification from you.



You might be surprised, Gracy, if Trump was ever given an honest platform to expound on his views about these things (but that will never happen), that he might just surprise you. But that might even make you come around and support him... gasp.... :)

He has a daily platform to actually demonstrate what he's all about. That's what I look for even though I'm not from Missouri, don't tell me, show me. :)

Trump said a lot of things I liked in the lead up to the 2016 election, praising Julian Assange and Wikileaks being amongst them, but that ended when the voting ended.

Enter the big switcharoo just a few short months later, where Assange is suddenly no great hero of truth telling, but a "Hostile Intelligence Service":
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To me it looks in 20/20 hindsight that he was just using Assange as a useful tool for his populist message at the time, and once that tool was no longer of use, it was not only discarded, but gone after.

So this is the basis of my ongoing question. As you correctly say, Assange, as usual, has remained true to his principles, while Trump has done what in return? Where are his principles on this, beyond using Assange as a political football?

Until someone can point the way for a different way to view this situation, it rather irks me to see both Trump hailed as a champion of free speech, and Q dead silent on the matter. What say "the patriots" beyond excuse making?

But perhaps I'm wrong about this, perhaps I've missed something, that's why I'm here.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Until someone can point the way for a different way to view this situation, it rather irks me to see both Trump hailed as a champion of free speech, and Q dead silent on the matter. What say "the patriots" beyond excuse making?


I wish I could offer something substantive on Assange, but believe me even in the Q conspiratorium the Assange question circles and circles. It is a never ending point of controversy and discussion - as well as frustration.

There have been many drops that reference the Assange situation (he is abbreviated 'JA' in the drops), but there isn't much meat on them. The clearest indication of what the bottom line is came in drop #1968.

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It's the general belief that so long as he is caged by the criminal British legal system - and why do you think he has been caged so long - there is little anyone, even so say white hats, can do. The moment he is extradited all that may (hopefully will) change.

There's the possibility also that his isolation is/was for his own protection. But that doesn't make much sense given the brutal conditions he's been subjected to - if those reports are true. I just don't know. All I do know is, powerful deep state forces want him gone, and have long wanted him gone. Remember Hillary joked about drone-striking the Ecuadorian embassy. She definitely wanted him gone.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=44796&d=1602948677
(bottom of page 20) https://foia.state.gov/Search/Results.aspx?collection=Litigation_F-2016-07895_47

Oh and there also this little conspiracy within a coincidence within a conspiracy type thing to chew on. Disregard or not. As with everything the choice is individual.

(implication being a blood relation)


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[Gracy]

When I see folks expressing selective outrage instead of being honest and consistent, then I find myself wondering what may be the truer motivations for individuals who cherry pick "the bad" and/or "the ugly" and yet never, seem to balance any of that against the obvious good.

Chester, check yourself man you're better than this. I've not questioned anyone's motivations here, and I expect the same in return.

I'm thinking to where this kind of reaction can be the unintended recoil of automatically cataloguing differing opinions, or challenging questions, into the same section as someone coming from outrage or cancel culture.

Where do you see "outrage" in anything I'm saying here, thus apparently causing me to be neither "honest" or "consistent"? I'm asking a simple question, and judging from some other responses from thread regulars, I'm not the only one wondering.

Now one more thing. What you see as "selective outrage" and "cherry picking", I see as trying to keep something simple. I have a legitimate question and concern about Trump's values on free speech, Q's seeming indifference to it, and nobody seeming to care.

I could easily go off on other criticisms of this administration like war, sanctions, coups, arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth, Wall Street freebies, violently crushing a peaceful protest for a Bible photo op, etc., but where is that going to get us?

I'm not here to disrupt this thread by taking it a bunch of different directions at once, I'm here to try and figure out one slice of the pie and that's it for now.


Where's your typing "voice" with regards to this looming tragedy which will eliminate forever any hope for the masses of humanity? Without it... bantering about Assange rings truly hollow.

Well I certainly see your disgust, and that seems to happen when people question this subject or material. Poor thing she just doesn't know any better, hasn't been doing her homework, is blinded by her outrage, etc.

But anyway, so far as I'm concerned this whole Marxist thing is way overblown, and if we're just not going to be concerned about free speech or freedom of the press any more, that combination package could be a nice substitute for a Marxist takeover.

You may not see the 1ST Amendment as a big deal, but so far as I'm concerned without it, there's nothing left to talk about anyway. Assange is the poster child for this concern, and prying into the issue you deem to to be merely hollow bantering?

Wow...

Thanks to those who gave some positive feedback on this, it IS nice to at least know I'm not the only crazy one in the room who looks at Assange rotting away inside the bowels of Belmarsh, and wonders about the disconnect from words to actions of the President. The buck does stop with him after all, and we certainly can't blame the Brits for this, they're just doing Uncle Sam's bidding.

[PurpleLama]

When I see folks expressing selective outrage instead of being honest and consistent, then I find myself wondering what may be the truer motivations for individuals who cherry pick "the bad" and/or "the ugly" and yet never, seem to balance any of that against the obvious good.

Chester, check yourself man you're better than this. I've not questioned anyone's motivations here, and I expect the same in return.

I'm thinking to where this kind of reaction can be the unintended recoil of automatically cataloguing differing opinions, or challenging questions, into the same section as someone coming from outrage or cancel culture.

Where do you see "outrage" in anything I'm saying here, thus apparently causing me to be neither "honest" or "consistent"? I'm asking a simple question, and judging from some other responses from thread regulars, I'm not the only one wondering.

Now one more thing. What you see as "selective outrage" and "cherry picking", I see as trying to keep something simple. I have a legitimate question and concern about Trump's values on free speech, Q's seeming indifference to it, and nobody seeming to care.

I could easily go off on other criticisms of this administration like war, sanctions, coups, arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth, Wall Street freebies, violently crushing a peaceful protest for a Bible photo op, etc., but where is that going to get us?

I'm not here to disrupt this thread by taking it a bunch of different directions at once, I'm here to try and figure out one slice of the pie and that's it for now.


Where's your typing "voice" with regards to this looming tragedy which will eliminate forever any hope for the masses of humanity? Without it... bantering about Assange rings truly hollow.

Well I certainly see your disgust, and that seems to happen when people question this subject or material. Poor thing she just doesn't know any better, hasn't been doing her homework, is blinded by her outrage, etc.

But anyway, so far as I'm concerned this whole Marxist thing is way overblown, and if we're just not going to be concerned about free speech or freedom of the press any more, that combination package could be a nice substitute for a Marxist takeover.

You may not see the 1ST Amendment as a big deal, but so far as I'm concerned without it, there's nothing left to talk about anyway. Assange is the poster child for this concern, and prying into the issue you deem to to be merely hollow bantering?

Wow...

Thanks to those who gave some positive feedback on this, it IS nice to at least know I'm not the only crazy one in the room who looks at Assange rotting away inside the bowels of Belmarsh, and wonders about the disconnect from words to actions of the President. The buck does stop with him after all, and we certainly can't blame the Brits for this, they're just doing Uncle Sam's bidding.

In reference to the bolded portion, all I can say is, methinks you are not casting your net wide enough. If you stand by such a supposition, I can only surmise that you are neglecting a very large portion of the Big Picture. I invited you to look further when we interacted on the critical theory or blm or biden thread ( I forget which) but if you really think the ideological assault being foisted on the young and impressionable is overblown, then either you are not paying attention or you are being willfully obtuse. I say this in the same sense of "check yourself" and not in the sense of "questioning motive" as you applied to Sam.

Critical Theory is being taught and applied to students in public schools across the country. There is a war going on, and it is cultural in part, and marxist in part, but it is 100% anti-human in that it wants everyone and everything in their neat little compartments and to have everyone absolutely opposed to anything outside of their little box.

The question is not if racism exists in a given situation, but how it exists in every situation. If you have an interaction with anyone not of your specific racial type, then it can only be transactional, you can not be "friends" with a person of another race, and if you think so, well that is your inherent racism showing. This is not my supposition, this comes straight from Kendi and DiAngelo.

Now, back to the topic at hand. I fully appreciate the contention that Q or Trump don't appear to be on the side of Assange. That sticks in my own craw, quite a bit. It is a hot button issue with me as well. But, that said:

Trump has mostly been focused on the economy. That was a huge chunk of the platform he ran on, and he has had some success in that department. Would I be happy if he pardoned Assange, too? You bet. Does the Assange issue take away from the effort to build the economy? Not a bit. Does that view make me a bad person? Maybe you think so, but I don't expect praise for thinking that it appears Trump did not at least make some effort toward fulfilling his populist message. Do I think he wants a great economy so people can afford to stay at his 5 star hotel? You bet. But I got a few extra dollars in my pocket and I don't care about his hotel.

The signal that went out with Trump banning CRT from any Fed (or Fed contractor) training program is HUGE, and might ultimately have a far greater impact on what you are allowed to say (or dare I say, think) in the future, than any of the events surrounding WikiLeaks. And I say this realizing full well how much implication the Assange case has for the press. But, the first amendment is not a protection of journalists, freedom of the press was the freedom to share information, as back then anyone (who could afford it or could build one) who had a printing press could share their ideas far and wide. It was an individual freedom, not something reserved for media companies.

I get it, for all I have said, the case can easily be made that it was all a show to keep the base in line, but if so, is it not a reverse of how the Dems give promises to the black community while never delivering, or the Repubs always talking fiscal responsibility while delivering record debts while selling our jobs to China? As far as politics go, take what you can get. Don't trust what they say, see what they do. Did Trump do anything he said he would do? Did Obama? Bush? Clinton? Bush? Reagan? Carter? And so on and so forth, politics is a club and we are not in it.

So where are the criticisms for the Biden voters? A third party is not viable (lets hope for 2024), so surely your sword is set to cut both ways? Politics in this country is a vast machinery, and I never expected anyone to turn something around in 4 years that was 200 years in the making.

The real question, to me, is how are we going to bring all kinds of people, all races, different ideologies, of every type imaginable, how are we going to bring them together under any commom banner? Without some common ground, all is lost, and if the overblown marxists get their way, there won't be any common ground. Without some belief in the ideals that this country used to stand for, where is the population left, except to be at each others throats?

While I am no MAGA Trumpian, I also look at the alternatives. If you have something better, and also viable, than Trump or the (political? AI?) Machine, then I am all ears.

I will, one more time, implore you to give due diligence to critical theory, postmodernism, and modern marxist ideologies, in order to properly critique our criticism of these things which have wide and subtle impacts on the path our culture both here in the US and in the western world will take.

Again, I am keenly aware of the implication of the Assange case, but how many irons are even in this fire? Pardon me for being concerned for losing my job for wrongthink as much as I am for the implications for journalists who mostly scoff at me from their ivory towers (not Assange but the industry who welcomes his demise, yet will be most impacted).

No good deed goes unpunished, as the saying goes.

[Gracy]

Can i gently remind people that there are many qanon threads on this forum looking at the validity of qanon.
And so as not to bog down this thread in tedium and bury current drops,would they mind posting on the alternative threads.
Is it me or does it seem that as this has gone public the attacks have increased

Q is not exactly dropping bombshells lately, and there is plenty of other commentary here other than just strictly following his drops. This thread has been pretty much hands off to outsiders for a long time now, with scant few interruptions, but it doesn't come with the same sanctity for instance as say, an ancient indian burial ground.

Something was posted heralding Trump as a great champion of free speech, and I questioned it, that does not constitute sacrilege or knife wielding attack.


But anyway, so far as I'm concerned this whole Marxist thing is way overblown, and if we're just not going to be concerned about free speech or freedom of the press any more, that combination package could be a nice substitute for a Marxist takeover.



In reference to the bolded portion, all I can say is, methinks you are not casting your net wide enough. If you stand by such a supposition, I can only surmise that you are neglecting a very large portion of the Big Picture. I invited you to look further when we interacted on the critical theory or blm or biden thread ( I forget which) but if you really think the ideological assault being foisted on the young and impressionable is overblown, then either you are not paying attention or you are being willfully obtuse.

Well again, it's often insinuated in this movement that anyone in disagreement is generally speaking just plain old ignorant of basic facts, or worse. But fair enough okay, I know the waters I'm swimming in here.

Trump wants to counter that by doubling down on the indoctrination of the patriotic American Exceptionalism wet dream, I think both extremes are dangerous and I choose neither.

All I can say is that I follow all pertinent threads concerning these issues on the forum, and I listen to at least a good chunk of Glenn Beck every day with the constant barbarians at the gate thing; so we can certainly agree to disagree on this, but my lack of basic knowledge, or unwillingness to even engage in such, would not be the cause.


Now, back to the topic at hand. I fully appreciate the contention that Q or Trump don't appear to be on the side of Assange. That sticks in my own craw, quite a bit. It is a hot button issue with me as well.

Well I'm glad to hear that's a sticking point with you as well. I think there's a lot of undercurrent here to excuse or explain away this and other issues, but I'm at least glad to see it's not going totally unnoticed.


But, that said:

Trump has mostly been focused on the economy. That was a huge chunk of the platform he ran on, and he has had some success in that department.

He also ran on praise for Wikileaks:

xnEoVzLKNPw


So where are the criticisms for the Biden voters? A third party is not viable (lets hope for 2024), so surely your sword is set to cut both ways? Politics in this country is a vast machinery, and I never expected anyone to turn something around in 4 years that was 200 years in the making.

I try to make clear every now and then that my sword does indeed swing both ways, but with the tsunami of Trump/Q support and dissection of the Bidens and the dems, what's the use in piling onto the scrum? For the record, I think Biden is every bit a corrupt politician as any of the others. It would be like asking me to pick up a turd by it's clean end, to ask me to describe the good side of Joe Biden's dismal record, or possible presidency.

There simply isn't one. Hopefully we can put that lil doggy to bed now. :)


While I am no MAGA Trumpian, I also look at the alternatives. If you have something better, and also viable, than Trump or the (political? AI?) Machine, then I am all ears.

It doesn't even matter, no third options are allowed by the two party duopoly who both pretty much agree on love of Wall Street, war, and maintaining power at the behest of their donors.

Of course we could go further on up the totem pole, but hopefully that's clear from a low level approach anyway.

[samildamach]

Can i gently remind people that there are many qanon threads on this forum looking at the validity of qanon.
And so as not to bog down this thread in tedium and bury current drops,would they mind posting on the alternative threads.
Is it me or does it seem that as this has gone public the attacks have increased

Q is not exactly dropping bombshells lately, and there is plenty of other commentary here other than just strictly following his drops. This thread has been pretty much hands off to outsiders for a long time now, with scant few interruptions, but it doesn't come with the same sanctity for instance as say, an ancient indian burial ground.

Something was posted heralding Trump as a great champion of free speech, and I questioned it, that does not constitute sacrilege or knife wielding attack.


But anyway, so far as I'm concerned this whole Marxist thing is way overblown, and if we're just not going to be concerned about free speech or freedom of the press any more, that combination package could be a nice substitute for a Marxist takeover.



In reference to the bolded portion, all I can say is, methinks you are not casting your net wide enough. If you stand by such a supposition, I can only surmise that you are neglecting a very large portion of the Big Picture. I invited you to look further when we interacted on the critical theory or blm or biden thread ( I forget which) but if you really think the ideological assault being foisted on the young and impressionable is overblown, then either you are not paying attention or you are being willfully obtuse.

Well again, it's often insinuated in this movement that anyone in disagreement is generally speaking just plain old ignorant of basic facts, or worse. But fair enough okay, I know the waters I'm swimming in here.

All I can say is that I follow all pertinent threads concerning these issues on the forum, and I listen to at least a good chunk of Glenn Beck every day with the constant barbarians at the gate thing; so we can certainly agree to disagree on this, but my lack of basic knowledge, or unwillingness to even engage in such, would not be the cause.


Now, back to the topic at hand. I fully appreciate the contention that Q or Trump don't appear to be on the side of Assange. That sticks in my own craw, quite a bit. It is a hot button issue with me as well.

Well I'm glad to hear that's a sticking point with you as well. I think there's a lot of undercurrent here to excuse or explain away this and other issues, but I'm at least glad to see it's not going totally unnoticed.


But, that said:

Trump has mostly been focused on the economy. That was a huge chunk of the platform he ran on, and he has had some success in that department.

He also ran on praise for Wikileaks:

xnEoVzLKNPw


So where are the criticisms for the Biden voters? A third party is not viable (lets hope for 2024), so surely your sword is set to cut both ways? Politics in this country is a vast machinery, and I never expected anyone to turn something around in 4 years that was 200 years in the making.

I try to make clear every now and then that my sword does indeed swing both ways, but with the tsunami of Trump/Q support and dissection of the Bidens and the dems, what's the use in piling onto the scrum? For the record, I think Biden is every bit a corrupt politician as any of the others. It would be like asking me to pick up a turd by it's clean end, to ask me to describe the good side of Joe Biden's dismal record, or possible presidency.

There simply isn't one. Hopefully we can put that lil doggy to bed now. :)


While I am no MAGA Trumpian, I also look at the alternatives. If you have something better, and also viable, than Trump or the (political? AI?) Machine, then I am all ears.

It doesn't even matter, no third options are allowed by the two party duopoly who both pretty much agree on love of Wall Street, war, and maintaining power at the behest of their donors.

Of course we could go further on up the totem pole, but hopefully that's clear from a low level approach anyway.

so that request fell on deaf ears
You were never mentioned by name yet thought a polite request needed challenge and correction.
You could have just as easily have moved your question to the appropriate anti trump/q thread

[Jayke]

Q is not exactly dropping bombshells lately, and there is plenty of other commentary here other than just strictly following his drops. This thread has been pretty much hands off to outsiders for a long time now, with scant few interruptions, but it doesn't come with the same sanctity for instance as say, an ancient indian burial ground.

You can tell Gracy doesn’t pay any attention to any of the Q drops themselves, because if you don’t think the Hunter Biden October surprise is the bombliest shells of all MOABS, then you’re really not understanding politics very well.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Chester]

Trump wants to counter that by doubling down on the indoctrination of the patriotic American Exceptionalism wet dream, I think both extremes are dangerous and I choose neither.


Sometimes life presents one with a set of choices where none of them are what one would want. I call this, "having to make the best worst choice."

I, like you, want neither.

In addition though, I can see that the worst choice would be to support (in any way) a empty shell of a being whose name is synonymous with "career political corruption"... someone who all plainly see is nothing more than a minion of the powerful (true psychopaths)... barely human beings who have have proven their disdain for any connection to their soul.

That's the choice the world is facing.

That's the bottom line.

And I thank Q for assisting me in information gathering. Whoever, whatever Q is.

[Chester]

Q is not exactly dropping bombshells lately, and there is plenty of other commentary here other than just strictly following his drops. This thread has been pretty much hands off to outsiders for a long time now, with scant few interruptions, but it doesn't come with the same sanctity for instance as say, an ancient indian burial ground.

You can tell Gracy doesn’t pay any attention to any of the Q drops themselves, because if you don’t think the Hunter Biden October surprise is the bombliest shells of all MOABS, then you’re really not understanding politics very well.

Yes, that has boggled my mind. How did that not become a part of "the choice" dynamics? It's like... rage about a teenager blowing off a cherry bomb (the Assange situation) while Kim Jong-un nukes Japan, Australia, Hawaii and the west coast of the US (the Biden crime family's global corruption history).

[T Smith]

He has a daily platform to actually demonstrate what he's all about. That's what I look for even though I'm not from Missouri, don't tell me, show me. :)

Trump said a lot of things I liked in the lead up to the 2016 election, praising Julian Assange and Wikileaks being amongst them, but that ended when the voting ended.

Enter the big switcharoo just a few short months later, where Assange is suddenly no great hero of truth telling, but a "Hostile Intelligence Service":
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To me it looks in 20/20 hindsight that he was just using Assange as a useful tool for his populist message at the time, and once that tool was no longer of use, it was not only discarded, but gone after.

So this is the basis of my ongoing question. As you correctly say, Assange, as usual, has remained true to his principles, while Trump has done what in return? Where are his principles on this, beyond using Assange as a political football?

Until someone can point the way for a different way to view this situation, it rather irks me to see both Trump hailed as a champion of free speech, and Q dead silent on the matter. What say "the patriots" beyond excuse making?

But perhaps I'm wrong about this, perhaps I've missed something, that's why I'm here.

All good points. Here is my perspective:

First point: Trump has not been given the same bully bull-pit as past Presidents who have (for all intents and purposes) been installed by the Power Structure to manage the body politic, as a sheep dog manages a herd. Under normal circumstances the President can explore ideology with Congress and create laws and fashion society, albeit on a leach, and within the confines of the established Reservation. But she or he must play within the boundaries. But the PTB did not install Trump. He and his populist uprising usurped the office and are literally fighting an ongoing coup d'état. So given these battles the Power Structure has removed the platform traditionally afforded to the office (certainly via MSM from day one, and now via Twitter, his last outlet to reach the masses).

So, yes, a POTUS sanctioned by the PTB is provided a platform, but not necessarily a POTUS like Trump. In fact, I would argue this president is at war with the platform itself; his detractors have seized it (the message is dangerous--to them) and so and in a panicked fervor it is now telling us what he is about: he is a racist, a xenophobe, a Nazi; he is Hitler-incarnate, a fascist, a White Supremacist, etc., etc. Remove that man at once!

In short, there is little room for him to tell us what he is about. At the very least we are amid a vicious information war, and as pointed out elsewhere (and correctly I think) Donald Trump is the most misunderstood POTUS ever to occupy the office.

Second point: Staving the coup d'état has been a huge distraction and has limited the executive office's ability to execute its agenda, for better or worst.

All said, I agree with you and am disappointed the Trump Administration has not succeeded with reforming the government to the extent where the government exonerates Assange (and Snowden). But I am sometimes perplexed how people often conflate the office of the POTUS with the colossal beast we understand as the United States Government. For all intents and purposes the office of President is more like commandeering a bobbing paper boat down a rapidly flowing river way. This POTUS is trying ride that wave, which largely (and with very few exceptions) obediently serves its master, the Power Structure. Of course the CIA is going to get in line and condemn Wikileaks, as you have citied (Wikileaks is an extremely dangerous organization--it exposes them, among other things); of course all the alphabet agencies and Deep State considers Assange--and Trump--their enemy. I won't go so far as to excuse Trump for his failures at taming the beast, but I will note he continually challenges his own Government and is constantly at loggerheads with the closest circles of his own administration and DoJ, not to mention the FDA, the FBI, the CDC, etc., etc. This is very unappealing to many observers but nonetheless courageous and dangerous positions to take if the objective is to reform the government. So in this endeavor Trump is surrounded by both the well-intended-but-feckless that stand with him and by self-serving enemies waiting for an opportunity to take him out.

I say we need to understand what is going on here from a broader perspective while we keep the pressure on about multiple issues on which Trump has disappointed, Assange and Snowden among them.

[Gracy]

I say we need to understand what is going on here from a broader perspective while we keep the pressure on about multiple issues on which Trump has disappointed, Assange and Snowden among them.

I really do understand the whole, the pres is only surfing the wave of deep state, and that the most any given person in that position can do is to try and influence the lens of the Overton Window sort of perspective along the way.

Here's the thing though, a lot of what I see is both adulations towards what an incredibly brave and brazen revolutionary the man is, yet when any serious critique of that vision comes along, it tends to morph more into the well what can just one man do sort of a thing.

I know times have changed now, and a place like Gitmo is once again popular in certain circles, but it wasn't all that long ago when the former president was supposedly the champion of closing down the illegal detention portion of that facility.

It was one of his main campaign promises, remember? Well the people who swore he was really a lightworker, and that once he was reelected the shackles would be off for a true lightworker to do such a thing, just sort of wandered away at the end of the next 4 years when still nothing had changed, and never held him accountable for that.

Or a lot of other things like that as well.

They ignored things like the unfulfilled Gitmo promise, and pretended like he didn't also oversee events like the great Wall Street bailout, and the escalation of war around the globe. He was their guy regardless, and no matter what, they were going to celebrate his tenure in the Oval Office as if he were one of the all time greats destined for Mt. Rushmore.

I see a very similar thing happening in present time, if the current president is reelected. He was our guy, he's a modern day hero, we're gonna amplify every good thing he did, and minimize every bad thing he did. Nothing unusual there, it's basic politics 101, except it never seems like it present time, when we're following the racehorse around the track that we've bet the farm on.

It's like when I come on here with a very well founded, non partisan question in response to a post, and some people see it as an unprovoked knife attack. Well of course it's nothing of the sort, it's just a dang question, but if you're all decked out in MAGA red it's sure going to filter through that way.

I do want to say to you straight up T Smith, regardless of our occasional differences, that I always appreciate and respect the unemotional way in which you come to your own logical opinions and conclusions.

[samildamach]

I say we need to understand what is going on here from a broader perspective while we keep the pressure on about multiple issues on which Trump has disappointed, Assange and Snowden among them.

I really do understand the whole, the pres is only surfing the wave of deep state, and that the most any given person in that position can do is to try and influence the lens of the Overton Window sort of perspective along the way.

Here's the thing though, a lot of what I see is both adulations towards what an incredibly brave and brazen revolutionary the man is, yet when any serious critique of that vision comes along, it tends to morph more into the well what can just one man do sort of a thing.

I know times have changed now, and a place like Gitmo is once again popular in certain circles, but it wasn't all that long ago when the former president was supposedly the champion of closing down the illegal detention portion of that facility.

It was one of his main campaign promises, remember? Well the people who swore he was really a lightworker, and that once he was reelected the shackles would be off for a true lightworker to do such a thing, just sort of wandered away at the end of the next 4 years when still nothing had changed, and never held him accountable for that.

Or a lot of other things like that as well.

They ignored things like the unfulfilled Gitmo promise, and pretended like he didn't also oversee events like the great Wall Street bailout, and the escalation of war around the globe. He was their guy regardless, and no matter what, they were going to celebrate his tenure in the Oval Office as if he were one of the all time greats destined for Mt. Rushmore.

I see a very similar thing happening in present time, if the current president is reelected. He was our guy, he's a modern day hero, we're gonna amplify every good thing he did, and minimize every bad thing he did. Nothing unusual there, it's basic politics 101, except it never seems like it present time, when we're following the racehorse around the track that we've bet the farm on.

It's like when I come on here with a very well founded, non partisan question in response to a post, and some people see it as an unprovoked knife attack. Well of course it's nothing of the sort, it's just a dang question, but if you're all decked out in MAGA red it's sure going to filter through that way.

I do want to say to you straight up T Smith, regardless of our occasional differences, that I always appreciate and respect the unemotional way in which you come to your own logical opinions and conclusions.

because there are specific threads for this as you well know!
The maga jibe is pointless iam from the u.k,but you seem to delight in pulling the thread of topic while spoiling for a fight,there are several threads where this could be debated and this topic belongs there

[Chester]

I say we need to understand what is going on here from a broader perspective while we keep the pressure on about multiple issues on which Trump has disappointed, Assange and Snowden among them.

I really do understand the whole, the pres is only surfing the wave of deep state, and that the most any given person in that position can do is to try and influence the lens of the Overton Window sort of perspective along the way.

Here's the thing though, a lot of what I see is both adulations towards what an incredibly brave and brazen revolutionary the man is, yet when any serious critique of that vision comes along, it tends to morph more into the well what can just one man do sort of a thing.

I know times have changed now, and a place like Gitmo is once again popular in certain circles, but it wasn't all that long ago when the former president was supposedly the champion of closing down the illegal detention portion of that facility.

It was one of his main campaign promises, remember? Well the people who swore he was really a lightworker, and that once he was reelected the shackles would be off for a true lightworker to do such a thing, just sort of wandered away at the end of the next 4 years when still nothing had changed, and never held him accountable for that.

Or a lot of other things like that as well.

They ignored things like the unfulfilled Gitmo promise, and pretended like he didn't also oversee events like the great Wall Street bailout, and the escalation of war around the globe. He was their guy regardless, and no matter what, they were going to celebrate his tenure in the Oval Office as if he were one of the all time greats destined for Mt. Rushmore.

I see a very similar thing happening in present time, if the current president is reelected. He was our guy, he's a modern day hero, we're gonna amplify every good thing he did, and minimize every bad thing he did. Nothing unusual there, it's basic politics 101, except it never seems like it present time, when we're following the racehorse around the track that we've bet the farm on.

It's like when I come on here with a very well founded, non partisan question in response to a post, and some people see it as an unprovoked knife attack. Well of course it's nothing of the sort, it's just a dang question, but if you're all decked out in MAGA red it's sure going to filter through that way.

I do want to say to you straight up T Smith, regardless of our occasional differences, that I always appreciate and respect the unemotional way in which you come to your own logical opinions and conclusions.

I wouldn't fret too much because, for the first time since, probably JFK, we have a US President who is not only not corrupt but clearly incorruptible. If he were, we would have known by now.

Instead, what we have in the US with regards to a US Presidency is perhaps the only real shot to change the course direction established perhaps before, but certainly since the Kennedy assassination. A course direction that would result in a freeing from what this very forum seemed to focus on the most over my eight years here. Use whatever noun you wish for designation of this group, but I will refer to it as the faction which is hoping "their guy" can "win" (or steal) this upcoming US election. It is clear what I am speaking about and clear who "their guy" is.

Fortunately, and at the final hour, that which can no longer be denied has begun, in earnest, to be revealed. And that it is not just limited to the Biden crime family, but also, the Clinton crime family before it as well as the Bush crime family. In addition, there are other powerful families still with us and all this is coming out now.

As Q has been saying (and as we have begun to see as of October 14, 2020) - "Nothing can stop this."

[Gracy]

Instead, what we have in the US with regards to a US Presidency is perhaps the only real shot to change the course direction established perhaps before, but certainly since the Kennedy assassination. A course direction that would result in a freeing from what this very forum seemed to focus on the most over my eight years here. Use whatever noun you wish for designation of this group, but I will refer to it as the faction which is hoping "their guy" can "win" (or steal) this upcoming US election. It is clear what I am speaking about and clear who "their guy" is.

Chester, what the heck are you talking about? What does all this have to do with the course of this forum over the last 8 years, and who is this group?

It's important to be clear about these things in uncertain times.

[Chester]

Instead, what we have in the US with regards to a US Presidency is perhaps the only real shot to change the course direction established perhaps before, but certainly since the Kennedy assassination. A course direction that would result in a freeing from what this very forum seemed to focus on the most over my eight years here. Use whatever noun you wish for designation of this group, but I will refer to it as the faction which is hoping "their guy" can "win" (or steal) this upcoming US election. It is clear what I am speaking about and clear who "their guy" is.

Chester, what the heck are you talking about? What does all this have to do with the course of this forum over the last 8 years, and who is this group?

It's important to be clear about these things in uncertain times.

Everything I pointed to is well covered in this Priority Thread - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

[Gracy]

Instead, what we have in the US with regards to a US Presidency is perhaps the only real shot to change the course direction established perhaps before, but certainly since the Kennedy assassination. A course direction that would result in a freeing from what this very forum seemed to focus on the most over my eight years here. Use whatever noun you wish for designation of this group, but I will refer to it as the faction which is hoping "their guy" can "win" (or steal) this upcoming US election. It is clear what I am speaking about and clear who "their guy" is.

Chester, what the heck are you talking about? What does all this have to do with the course of this forum over the last 8 years, and who is this group?

It's important to be clear about these things in uncertain times.

Everything I pointed to is well covered in this Priority Thread - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Thanks for the thoughtful clarification Chester...

[Jayke]

Banning members from threads when they oppose the narrative of that thread.

Imagine if this site had protected corey goode in the same way it protects Q?

The people in that are in that Reality TV Thread do not have push back against their ideas so they echo chamber harder and harder and I am surprised they dont believe in the blue chicken cult.

Fake news: the Q thread went through an incredible amount of pushback, to the point that all Q threads were banished to the members only area of the forum, a decision that rocked the Avalon ship and nearly tore the forum apart. It’s also false that the Q thread is an echo chamber. Alternative viewpoints are often posted in the thread, I’ve personally posted many of Brendon O’Connels videos or aim4truth podcasts. Both of which think Q is totally bogus. Alternative viewpoints are totally welcome as long as they’re posted respectfully and in good faith.


Tomkat has apparently been banned for spamming the same post over and over again. He is actually not wrong. While I disagree with Tom kat and do not engage them, they are not wrong for pushing back on the obvious nonsense that is Q anon(but keep buy Q merch please because it helps my Drop shipping business!)

False: none of us are making money from the Q thread. Would be nice if we were but it’s more a community effort of free-spiritedness and community sharing to help expose the corruption of politics and hold hope that there’s a more optimistic future humanity can strive towards. As for the “obvious nonsense that is Q”, both David Whitehead and Andrew Torba independently came to the same conclusion we’ve shared on the Q threads for a while now Q is citizen journalism...that’s it? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1405079&viewfull=1#post1405079)


Until the Q people engage his post and respond point by point he is actually in his right to try and counter the propaganda that is the Qult thread.

TomKats indignation was addressed 21 hours before Praxis launched his latest pathetic smear piece here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1406585&viewfull=1#post1406585) and as of yet TomKat has chosen not to reply, I’ll address any other points he raises should he choose to continue.


Even after Trump is not president and NONE of the predications came through, they are being protected in their safe space.

As I replied to TomKat yesterday (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1406585&viewfull=1#post1406585). The Q movement has always been about more than just Q or Trump. Citizen journalism under the Q banner was predicted to continue long after Trumps presidency, regardless of the outcome of the election. Only room temperature IQ mental midgets assume Q is about Trump worship.


That is right. This bastion of reactionaries is now creating safe spaces for the Qult.

False: come and debate me you pathetic snivelling wormtongue, no safe spaces here Praxis, feel free to take the gloves off and hit me with your best shot, I won’t go running to any mods for protection, although you might feel the need to after getting a severe rhetorical ass-whooping (ooga ooga!!)

Note: I’ve always thought a battle royale thread would be awesome. A pressure cooker thread where everyone can just duke it out, no holds barred, vituperation to the max!


Fun fact: Trump didnt stop the deep state and instead actually took care of the one person that might have been able to start that ball rolling: Epstein. That is right. Trump had Epstein killed because he knew it was a loose thread. He died in Federal custody. THe custody of Trump and Barr, both connected to him. If Clinton had been president and the same situation happened, this site would be a froth over it. and would never let go of it. That is why I will never let go of it on this site. Your God Emperor

Really? Trump had Epstein killed? If you’ve got proof of that, that’s the kind of intel we’d like to see in the Q thread. Evidence and truth are the ultimate goal of the Q thread. If you’ve got the evidence, get it dropped already.


Has the Qult dealt with this Fact? Nope. And you are protecting their playground by banning people who challenge their narrative.

Where’s the big fat juicy fact you promised, just said we’d love to see that kind of intel in the Q thread. Me thinks you might be mixing fact with conjecture though so I know that claim of yours is never going to materialise.


I could go find a thread and opinions on this site about how **** Twitter and AWS are for banning parler, yet here you are making safe spaces for a QULT and doing the exact same thing you would bitch about other people doing.

It’s called forum etiquette Praxis, a concept of refinement lost on you most evidently. If you want to debate Q, do it in a debate thread, if you want to add to the Q research or contribute to the citizen journalism, do it on the main Q thread. It’s a very simple notion of archiving the right material in the right place. But it also has the added bonus of preventing provocateurs from derailing productive posters.


So much hypocrisy in here. If you need safe place, you are a snowflake that is triggered unless you are trusting the plan . . .

The hypocrisy is attacking us from the safety of a thread you’ve opened in a non Q area of the forum. Try posting your anti Q nonsense in any of the Q debate threads and see how threatened we feel. :ROFL:

[TomKat]

TomKats indignation was addressed 21 hours before Praxis launched his latest pathetic smear piece and as of yet TomKat has chosen not to reply

Jayke, I don't live on Avalon the way you appear to. Nobody with a life can be expected to keep up with your compulsive output. But let me just say that I've never come close to matching you in rude discourse. And I am amazed at how a little bit of criticism has turned you into a fire-breathing dragon. Methinks the lady doth protest too much!

[Jayke]

TomKats indignation was addressed 21 hours before Praxis launched his latest pathetic smear piece and as of yet TomKat has chosen not to reply

Jayke, I don't live on Avalon the way you appear to. Nobody with a life can be expected to keep up with your compulsive output. But let me just say that I've never come close to matching you in rude discourse. And I am amazed at how a little bit of criticism has turned you into a fire-breathing dragon. Methinks the lady doth protest too much!

No you haven’t been around these Q parts before TomKat. You haven’t endured the years of shadow banning and insults, the slings and arrows. You’re stepping into a field of battle hardened Spartans that have little time or patience for cheap insults from uninformed people projecting their uninspired opinions.

You attack the person with your cynical ad-hominins and feign offence when you get burned. You can’t keep up, you won’t keep up, you’re already lost to your own ignorance. And if you think my output on Avalon is amazing, you really have been in your own self induced passivity psyop, barely scratches the surface of what I get up to outside of Avalon. Besides, you have over 200 more posts than me even though I’ve been a member here for over 6 more years, yet I apparantly “live on Avalon”, just from those observable facts alone your logic is provably absurd.

[Catsquotl]

So Q'anon is getting its fair share of censorship across social media land. Not unlike a certain president.
Now what is the quickest way to radicalize a certain group?


You make them feel special by telling them they aren't allowed to speak on a certain subject.
I've spend part of this evening listening to a professor of narrative communications.


I am amazed at the level of sophistication that goes into the narrative that is being spun and how the choice of words and the denial of certain others can move large groups of people to do something.
The pandemic is an example of that. I think the radicalization of Q's supporters is another.


If there is a Q outside of Ian Flemmings imagination. His or her words are put to good use, spun and orchestrated to keep the people where "they" want them.
If Trump is the man many a Q supporter believes he is. It won't matter. the story is spun sideways, Not just ridiculed by main stream media, but carefully fed to his supporters as well.


As for the goal? Anyone's guess, I guess.


Someone asked if I thought that leadership is pointless.

No, But if a leader leads more than a large tribe we can be sure he or she cannot take the needs of the few into account.


Which means the entire structure of our wordly society needs to change in order to provide honest and descent leadership.
In the mean time...
Love thigh neighbor and if you feel like touching, hugging or smiling at them without a mask.
Use your own judgement. every moment anew..


With Love
Eelco

[Jayke]

As for the goal? Anyone's guess, I guess.


Someone asked if I thought that leadership is pointless.

No, But if a leader leads more than a large tribe we can be sure he or she cannot take the needs of the few into account.


Which means the entire structure of our wordly society needs to change in order to provide honest and descent leadership.
In the mean time...
Love thigh neighbor and if you feel like touching, hugging or smiling at them without a mask.
Use your own judgement. every moment anew..


With Love
Eelco

As for the goal, anyone’s guess?


Which means the entire structure of our wordly society needs to change in order to provide honest and descent leadership.

Character development and social reform have been my motivation for supporting the Q movement for years now. That is the long term goal as far as I was able to deduce.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1250235&viewfull=1#post1250235

[Catsquotl]

Level 7 – the Q-aficionados, the Anons, the deep researchers...the group who the cryptic Q messages are primed and targeted for. The organisational structure of this archetype is a wheel with a revolving leader at the centre (the centre of the wheel is chosen purely on merit, the moment the leader becomes ineffective, the group shifts alliances to anyone else who has better ideas) this layer of organisation will follow the Q-drops while they're providing value, but as soon as the Q-drops become too mundane, new sources for valuable content are sought, and Q gets dropped off the radar.

It's this last layer of the Q movement I place my support behind. And those who are warning that Q is a cult, hero or saviour figure, are equally right in warning the other organisational structures not to get too involved. Although, I hope they do get involved, albeit with a high dose of healthy skepticism, because there's still lots of value to be unearthed by the Q-aficionados, in derailing the 'winged lion', oligarchical, deep-state control structure; while ushering in a new paradigm based on LaRouche's economic laws, which represent more of a 7-8-9 character complex, and have the potential to birth a new golden age for humanity. Something that's supported by 'Music of the Sphere' astrologers.


Allegories aside. If this is the goal I do hope that the healthy dose of skepticism prevails.
To be honest so far many of the Q supporters appear to be just level 4 or 5 parrots. But thinking they are operating from a superior point of view.


Which is very dangerous, because it clouds discernment and creates the exact thing they try to rebel against.
Personally I get level 8 as well. A melchizedek tradition at 9 gives me the creeps though.
Having experimented with some of Melchizedek's sacred geometry. brrrr.


but we have had the chacra discussion somewhere in the past allready haven't we.


WIth Love
Eelco

[Jayke]

Level 7 – the Q-aficionados, the Anons, the deep researchers...the group who the cryptic Q messages are primed and targeted for. The organisational structure of this archetype is a wheel with a revolving leader at the centre (the centre of the wheel is chosen purely on merit, the moment the leader becomes ineffective, the group shifts alliances to anyone else who has better ideas) this layer of organisation will follow the Q-drops while they're providing value, but as soon as the Q-drops become too mundane, new sources for valuable content are sought, and Q gets dropped off the radar.

It's this last layer of the Q movement I place my support behind. And those who are warning that Q is a cult, hero or saviour figure, are equally right in warning the other organisational structures not to get too involved. Although, I hope they do get involved, albeit with a high dose of healthy skepticism, because there's still lots of value to be unearthed by the Q-aficionados, in derailing the 'winged lion', oligarchical, deep-state control structure; while ushering in a new paradigm based on LaRouche's economic laws, which represent more of a 7-8-9 character complex, and have the potential to birth a new golden age for humanity. Something that's supported by 'Music of the Sphere' astrologers.


Allegories aside. If this is the goal I do hope that the healthy dose of skepticism prevails.
To be honest so far many of the Q supporters appear to be just level 4 or 5 parrots. But thinking they are operating from a superior point of view.


Which is very dangerous, because it clouds discernment and creates the exact thing they try to rebel against.
Personally I get level 8 as well. A melchizedek tradition at 9 gives me the creeps though.
Having experimented with some of Melchizedek's sacred geometry. brrrr.


but we have had the chacra discussion somewhere in the past allready haven't we.


WIth Love
Eelco

Level 9 is the archetype of the ‘skydancer (http://keithdowman.net/books/sky-dancer.html)’ as its found in Tibet. Or Skywalker as it became popularised in the Jedi movies. The archetype of the world card as its found in the tarot. Or the dancing Shiva in Hinduism.

https://booksrun.com/image-loader/350/https:__m.media-amazon.com_images_I_51H6Xev6vEL.jpg

The Graves system is driven by hormonal adaptation of the endocrine system so chakras as endocrine glands is analogous yes.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5933137-levels-of-human-existence

May the force be with you.

[Ratszinger]

So Q'anon is getting its fair share of censorship across social media land. Not unlike a certain president.
Now what is the quickest way to radicalize a certain group?


You make them feel special by telling them they aren't allowed to speak on a certain subject.
I've spend part of this evening listening to a professor of narrative communications.


I am amazed at the level of sophistication that goes into the narrative that is being spun and how the choice of words and the denial of certain others can move large groups of people to do something.
The pandemic is an example of that. I think the radicalization of Q's supporters is another.


If there is a Q outside of Ian Flemmings imagination. His or her words are put to good use, spun and orchestrated to keep the people where "they" want them.
If Trump is the man many a Q supporter believes he is. It won't matter. the story is spun sideways, Not just ridiculed by main stream media, but carefully fed to his supporters as well.


As for the goal? Anyone's guess, I guess.


Someone asked if I thought that leadership is pointless.

No, But if a leader leads more than a large tribe we can be sure he or she cannot take the needs of the few into account.


Which means the entire structure of our wordly society needs to change in order to provide honest and descent leadership.
In the mean time...
Love thigh neighbor and if you feel like touching, hugging or smiling at them without a mask.
Use your own judgement. every moment anew..


With Love
Eelco

Pretty easy to see. They all have one common ground area they can agree on. No matter which you pick they all want a 'Global Reset' and are onboard with it, even Trump. Knowing this and that the NWO is what they seek (new world order) and all lay the ground work to get done what needs to be done to achieve that the first thing Trump did in office was hit Syria right after doing things remarkable with Kim in North Korea and then Iran. These three just so happen to be the last three countries not using FEDERAL RESERVE notes and ultimately they want to print the currency for the planet or lock them into a new digital type but the point is it will be controlled by the same ones in charge now. So whatever reset they have planned they all plan to stay seated in their captain chairs and I feel like Trump did his part. Even though he appeared to be at odds with them he quietly worked toward the same ultimate goal in the end. Ultimately the power base will move west and I suspect that China will be the new powerhouse after the reset because the tool known as the USA has used up its usefulness. We will know when the Washington monument falls for whatever reason, natural or otherwise that the reset is complete because as the one here goes down the new one goes up in the new power base of operation. Looking down on D.C. the Wash. monument is the "Penis" of the bull which they worship. As is always the case the old one is crumbled and they move west, always west.

Next Taiwan will fall under China, and we'll have to stand back and watch as the Biden admin. turns a blind eye to it. Then in time Iran and China, Russia, Italy, Spain, Germany, the UK, and more will all install a new digital currency which will bump out the USA for a time until it gets with the program realizing it's new third world standing now that the tool is no longer needed. I think Trump is on the same page with the rest of the elite and he was beholden to them as proven by the people around him, all of which were the same group bailing him out of his Atlantic City fiasco years ago and if you ask me he just paid back the favor he owed with this last four years doing what they wanted bringing us to this, where it is quite obvious that everything going on even now is just another in a long line of, "Rich Man's Tricks!"

[TomKat]

So Q'anon is getting its fair share of censorship across social media land. Not unlike a certain president.
Now what is the quickest way to radicalize a certain group?


You make them feel special by telling them they aren't allowed to speak on a certain subject.
I've spend part of this evening listening to a professor of narrative communications.


I am amazed at the level of sophistication that goes into the narrative that is being spun and how the choice of words and the denial of certain others can move large groups of people to do something.
The pandemic is an example of that. I think the radicalization of Q's supporters is another.


If there is a Q outside of Ian Flemmings imagination. His or her words are put to good use, spun and orchestrated to keep the people where "they" want them.
If Trump is the man many a Q supporter believes he is. It won't matter. the story is spun sideways, Not just ridiculed by main stream media, but carefully fed to his supporters as well.


As for the goal? Anyone's guess, I guess.


Someone asked if I thought that leadership is pointless.

No, But if a leader leads more than a large tribe we can be sure he or she cannot take the needs of the few into account.


Which means the entire structure of our wordly society needs to change in order to provide honest and descent leadership.
In the mean time...
Love thigh neighbor and if you feel like touching, hugging or smiling at them without a mask.
Use your own judgement. every moment anew..


With Love
Eelco

Pretty easy to see. They all have one common ground area they can agree on. No matter which you pick they all want a 'Global Reset' and are onboard with it, even Trump. Knowing this and that the NWO is what they seek (new world order) and all lay the ground work to get done what needs to be done to achieve that the first thing Trump did in office was hit Syria right after doing things remarkable with Kim in North Korea and then Iran. These three just so happen to be the last three countries not using FEDERAL RESERVE notes and ultimately they want to print the currency for the planet or lock them into a new digital type but the point is it will be controlled by the same ones in charge now. So whatever reset they have planned they all plan to stay seated in their captain chairs and I feel like Trump did his part. Even though he appeared to be at odds with them he quietly worked toward the same ultimate goal in the end. Ultimately the power base will move west and I suspect that China will be the new powerhouse after the reset because the tool known as the USA has used up its usefulness. We will know when the Washington monument falls for whatever reason, natural or otherwise that the reset is complete because as the one here goes down the new one goes up in the new power base of operation. Looking down on D.C. the Wash. monument is the "Penis" of the bull which they worship. As is always the case the old one is crumbled and they move west, always west.

Next Taiwan will fall under China, and we'll have to stand back and watch as the Biden admin. turns a blind eye to it. Then in time Iran and China, Russia, Italy, Spain, Germany, the UK, and more will all install a new digital currency which will bump out the USA for a time until it gets with the program realizing it's new third world standing now that the tool is no longer needed. I think Trump is on the same page with the rest of the elite and he was beholden to them as proven by the people around him, all of which were the same group bailing him out of his Atlantic City fiasco years ago and if you ask me he just paid back the favor he owed with this last four years doing what they wanted bringing us to this, where it is quite obvious that everything going on even now is just another in a long line of, "Rich Man's Tricks!"

Yes, it's just more "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

[Journeyman]

So Q'anon is getting its fair share of censorship across social media land. Not unlike a certain president.
Now what is the quickest way to radicalize a certain group?


You make them feel special by telling them they aren't allowed to speak on a certain subject.
I've spend part of this evening listening to a professor of narrative communications.


I am amazed at the level of sophistication that goes into the narrative that is being spun and how the choice of words and the denial of certain others can move large groups of people to do something.
The pandemic is an example of that. I think the radicalization of Q's supporters is another.


If there is a Q outside of Ian Flemmings imagination. His or her words are put to good use, spun and orchestrated to keep the people where "they" want them.
If Trump is the man many a Q supporter believes he is. It won't matter. the story is spun sideways, Not just ridiculed by main stream media, but carefully fed to his supporters as well.


As for the goal? Anyone's guess, I guess.


Someone asked if I thought that leadership is pointless.

No, But if a leader leads more than a large tribe we can be sure he or she cannot take the needs of the few into account.


Which means the entire structure of our wordly society needs to change in order to provide honest and descent leadership.
In the mean time...
Love thigh neighbor and if you feel like touching, hugging or smiling at them without a mask.
Use your own judgement. every moment anew..


With Love
Eelco

Pretty easy to see. They all have one common ground area they can agree on. No matter which you pick they all want a 'Global Reset' and are onboard with it, even Trump. Knowing this and that the NWO is what they seek (new world order) and all lay the ground work to get done what needs to be done to achieve that the first thing Trump did in office was hit Syria right after doing things remarkable with Kim in North Korea and then Iran. These three just so happen to be the last three countries not using FEDERAL RESERVE notes and ultimately they want to print the currency for the planet or lock them into a new digital type but the point is it will be controlled by the same ones in charge now. So whatever reset they have planned they all plan to stay seated in their captain chairs and I feel like Trump did his part. Even though he appeared to be at odds with them he quietly worked toward the same ultimate goal in the end. Ultimately the power base will move west and I suspect that China will be the new powerhouse after the reset because the tool known as the USA has used up its usefulness. We will know when the Washington monument falls for whatever reason, natural or otherwise that the reset is complete because as the one here goes down the new one goes up in the new power base of operation. Looking down on D.C. the Wash. monument is the "Penis" of the bull which they worship. As is always the case the old one is crumbled and they move west, always west.

Next Taiwan will fall under China, and we'll have to stand back and watch as the Biden admin. turns a blind eye to it. Then in time Iran and China, Russia, Italy, Spain, Germany, the UK, and more will all install a new digital currency which will bump out the USA for a time until it gets with the program realizing it's new third world standing now that the tool is no longer needed. I think Trump is on the same page with the rest of the elite and he was beholden to them as proven by the people around him, all of which were the same group bailing him out of his Atlantic City fiasco years ago and if you ask me he just paid back the favor he owed with this last four years doing what they wanted bringing us to this, where it is quite obvious that everything going on even now is just another in a long line of, "Rich Man's Tricks!"

Yes, it's just more "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

After some thought I decided that there was intellect, intent and resource behind the Q drops, but that at best they likely signalled an inter faction war amongst the Powers that Be rather than a genuine push to overthrow the system. What's more, there's ample evidence in Trump Towers, the 66th floor, the homage to Apollo in his apartment, the frequent hand signalling and the creepy repetition of the 'You knew I was a snake' (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/trump-reads-disturbing-poem-the-22942166?token=-714880812)poem, that he's an unlikely candidate to be batting for team creator.

Have you ever come across the theory that TPTB are deliberately trying to play out the events detailed in Revelation? I'm not sure if this ties into the Sabbatean Frankist idea of 'forcing God's hand' by committing so many atrocities that he intervenes, or if, as I've also seen some opine, they're working to an alternative holy text which promises them a win. From that perspective, Q and Trump could be seen as the second beast which turns on the whore of Babylon (she clad in purple sitting on the seven heads of Rome). So the end of the Rothschild/Vatican/Crown Luciferian system would only see the onset of the Gesara 'Peace and Security' system of the Beast, with the Second Coming to follow.

I've also seen some say that Trump is aligned with one faction vying for the seat of Satan with a power struggle between the Roman and Egyptian factions, the Luciferians vs the Golden Dawn/Beast faction. Note I have absolutely no idea if there's any validity to those claims! I just think caution is required when seeing this or any man as a saviour figure.

[TomKat]

Yes, it's just more "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

After some thought I decided that there was intellect, intent and resource behind the Q drops, but that at best they likely signalled an inter faction war amongst the Powers that Be rather than a genuine push to overthrow the system. What's more, there's ample evidence in Trump Towers, the 66th floor, the homage to Apollo in his apartment, the frequent hand signalling and the creepy repetition of the 'You knew I was a snake' (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/trump-reads-disturbing-poem-the-22942166?token=-714880812)poem, that he's an unlikely candidate to be batting for team creator.

Have you ever come across the theory that TPTB are deliberately trying to play out the events detailed in Revelation? I'm not sure if this ties into the Sabbatean Frankist idea of 'forcing God's hand' by committing so many atrocities that he intervenes, or if, as I've also seen some opine, they're working to an alternative holy text which promises them a win. From that perspective, Q and Trump could be seen as the second beast which turns on the whore of Babylon (she clad in purple sitting on the seven heads of Rome). So the end of the Rothschild/Vatican/Crown Luciferian system would only see the onset of the Gesara 'Peace and Security' system of the Beast, with the Second Coming to follow.

I've also seen some say that Trump is aligned with one faction vying for the seat of Satan with a power struggle between the Roman and Egyptian factions, the Luciferians vs the Golden Dawn/Beast faction. Note I have absolutely no idea if there's any validity to those claims! I just think caution is required when seeing this or any man as a saviour figure.

I think people make too much of Revelations and shouldn't try to fit everything into it. They ought to study the magic mushroom connection to early Christianity. We don't need John of Patmos to know that TPTB want to turn us into nodes on a giant computer network.

[Journeyman]

Yes, it's just more "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

After some thought I decided that there was intellect, intent and resource behind the Q drops, but that at best they likely signalled an inter faction war amongst the Powers that Be rather than a genuine push to overthrow the system. What's more, there's ample evidence in Trump Towers, the 66th floor, the homage to Apollo in his apartment, the frequent hand signalling and the creepy repetition of the 'You knew I was a snake' (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/trump-reads-disturbing-poem-the-22942166?token=-714880812)poem, that he's an unlikely candidate to be batting for team creator.

Have you ever come across the theory that TPTB are deliberately trying to play out the events detailed in Revelation? I'm not sure if this ties into the Sabbatean Frankist idea of 'forcing God's hand' by committing so many atrocities that he intervenes, or if, as I've also seen some opine, they're working to an alternative holy text which promises them a win. From that perspective, Q and Trump could be seen as the second beast which turns on the whore of Babylon (she clad in purple sitting on the seven heads of Rome). So the end of the Rothschild/Vatican/Crown Luciferian system would only see the onset of the Gesara 'Peace and Security' system of the Beast, with the Second Coming to follow.

I've also seen some say that Trump is aligned with one faction vying for the seat of Satan with a power struggle between the Roman and Egyptian factions, the Luciferians vs the Golden Dawn/Beast faction. Note I have absolutely no idea if there's any validity to those claims! I just think caution is required when seeing this or any man as a saviour figure.

I think people make too much of Revelations and shouldn't try to fit everything into it. They ought to study the magic mushroom connection to early Christianity. We don't need John of Patmos to know that TPTB want to turn us into nodes on a giant computer network.

I'd agree that there's a disproportionate focus on the apocalyptic prophesy aspects of the Bible from regular folk. There's a good argument that the events foretold in it have already taken place for one thing. Even if once argues that these are events to be replayed in this age or that the final denouement is still to come, the best answer I got was that it was better to focus on living a good life and then if it did happen you were prepared. That seems like good advice at any time.

Where I do think scrutiny is important is when TPTB look to be using it as a reference point or playbook. With Bush Sr's speech, 9/11 and Benghazi they gave us ample notice that their plan is in full swing. In 2017 we got a once in 7000 year sign (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XXxVwpcXV0U/maxresdefault.jpg) that corresponds well to Rev 12. There's aspects of this potential schism with Rome and the Vatican that could be tied into it and perhaps that's all that's needed to derive power from the belief of those watching on? It just makes me think it's something to be aware of...

[Brigantia]

I'd agree that there's a disproportionate focus on the apocalyptic prophesy aspects of the Bible from regular folk. There's a good argument that the events foretold in it have already taken place for one thing. Even if once argues that these are events to be replayed in this age or that the final denouement is still to come, the best answer I got was that it was better to focus on living a good life and then if it did happen you were prepared. That seems like good advice at any time.

Where I do think scrutiny is important is when TPTB look to be using it as a reference point or playbook. With Bush Sr's speech, 9/11 and Benghazi they gave us ample notice that their plan is in full swing. In 2017 we got a once in 7000 year sign (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XXxVwpcXV0U/maxresdefault.jpg) that corresponds well to Rev 12. There's aspects of this potential schism with Rome and the Vatican that could be tied into it and perhaps that's all that's needed to derive power from the belief of those watching on? It just makes me think it's something to be aware of...

It does have a strong hold in the popular imagination so there is the potential to exploit this.

I've mentioned in this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112548-A-White-Hat-future&p=1382827&viewfull=1#post1382827) that according to Anatoly Fomenko, the description of the Four Horsemen in Revelation is astronomical code for a date that is long past; 1 October 1486.

[mountain_jim]

copied here



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Fz5cz9bxg

Q DEFENDED (Truth Warrior)

Many are attacking this movement at the moment. The charges of "LARP' & "PSYOP" & "CONSPIRACY THEORY" by both mainstream and alternative media alike, have already been put out there for everyone to see. However, having researched "17" (wonder why I have to use that in this video description...) for about a year and a half now along with alternative subjects for over 18 years, I felt that a fair trial should be done.
We have had the prosecution, here is my defence for your consideration. I leave it up to you to do your own research, think for yourself, & decide for yourself. I only ask that all the evidence be heard first. For those who believe 17 to be a giant hoax/larp/shill/psyop/CT etc, use this info to at the very least to "KNOW THY ENEMY."
I hope you enjoy.

I am really appreciating this. Did you post it in the Q information thread? I will.

[Gracy]

This is the 2cd article I've read in 3 days about the same thing, I know we have all seen this crap before, but something tells me this one may be legit, I believe the hammer is dropping, this article is pretty detailed. , any thoughts? The 1st article I read said her secret service detail was no where to be found when she got arrested and she was doing a speech in front of a mirror. Wonder if she took her broom!

https://realrawnews.com/2021/03/clinton-shipped-to-gitmo-awaiting-military-tribunal/
Clinton Shipped to GITMO, Awaiting Military Tribunal


A shackled Hillary Clinton was removed from a fortified holding cell in south Florida and flown directly to Guantanamo Bay aboard a Marine CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopter, Real Raw News can now report.

The prisoner transfer came only days after Trump and Rear Adm. Hugh W. Howard, commander of Naval Special Warfare Command, greenlit a predawn raid on Clinton’s Chappaqua, NY, estate, resulting in her arrest.

Early Friday morning, a Marine escort brought a bound and gagged Clinton to Rybovich Heliport in West Palm Beach, FL., where the CH-53 sat ready to ferry her to GITMO. The flight lifted off at 4:45 a.m. and landed in Cuba an hour later, according to a Trump source familiar with the incident.

He said Clinton was uncooperative and had to be sedated for the trip.

Asked if Trump personally interrogated her prior to the flight, our source said the following:
“He did not. Trump doesn’t want to be within sight of her. Also, he’s letting the military handle everything. He knows his bias might skew a verdict, and he’s totally confident the evidence is compelling enough to secure a conviction. Whatever scant years Clinton has left will be spent in a dark cell, if she doesn’t face a firing squad.”
Clinton is currently housed in a private cell at GITMO’s Camp Delta and has been assigned the title “detainee 53,” and stripped of American citizenship. Our source was unable to confirm whether 53 referred to the current number of Deep State occupants, or if it was just a random number assignment.

Guarded by U.S. Army military police and U.S. Navy Masters-at-Arms, Clinton’s privileges and amenities while awaiting a military tribunal will depend on her degree of cooperation. If she behaves, she will get 3 meals a day and be allowed to shower 4 times a week. She will also have access to a recreation yard. If, however, she is disobedient, her privileges will be revoked, and she will be thrown into solitary confinement until her tribunal date.

The military tribunal, our source said, has been tentatively scheduled for April 8, as Trump’s people are still deciding which military authorities will prosecute the case and decide on a proper sentence.



According to the same "news" source, Pence just made a harrowing escape from his secret hideaway in southern Indiana. At best, this is a satirical site similar to "The Onion".

It's easy to fall for silliness like this, when we want something to be true badly enough:
https://realrawnews.com/2021/03/pence-eludes-capture-military-in-hot-pursuit/


Pence Eludes Capture, Military in Hot Pursuit

US military assets operating on Donald Trump’s authority came within inches of apprehending former Vice President Michael Pence at a clandestine safehouse where he had been hiding somewhere in southern Indiana, according to a Trump source familiar with the operation.

As previously reported, Donald Trump branded Pence “a traitor to America and its people” after then-VP Pence sided with Democrats during the Jan 6. Electoral College certification. His unconscionable choice earned Trump’s enmity. Since then, Pence had been jet setting around the world hoping to find a non-extradition country he could call home. But none wanted him. Not even Vladimir Putin.

Trump gave Pence many chances to apologize and name his Deep State co-conspirators, but Pence declined an invitation to admit guilt and ask forgiveness at the February 21-25 CPAC conference in Orlando, FL. Had Pence acquiesced, Trump would have shown leniency and shredded a sealed indictment charging him with crimes against America and its people, our source said.

On Wednesday, March 3, Trump received an intelligence brief saying that Pence had physically distanced himself from his family and was hiding in a rented cabin near the Knobstone Trail in southern Indiana, an area known for its rugged terrain and dense, shadowy forests. It’s unclear whether he rented the building in his own name or an alias.

“This was the first credible evidence Trump had that Pence was isolated on American soil. He has been trying to get a bead on Pence for months, but Pence is a slippery one and has been constantly moving around. Trump talked to military commanders who are still helping him drain the swamp, officers who don’t recognize Biden’s presidency, and enlisted their help to track and capture Pence,” our source said.

Asked which military assets, specifically, took part in the operation, our source said, “I cannot answer that question, but it was a small unit sent to retrieve him.”

He did, however, supply the following details:

In the early morning hours on March 4, the “unit” infiltrated the area on foot and hiked four miles along a winding footpath that ended near a log cabin with wisps of woodsmoke emanating from a stone chimney. No vehicle was present, but what appeared to be fresh ATV tracks crisscrossed the area. Dim light shone through a curtained window. A diesel generator alongside the cabin was still running.

The unit, our source said, breached the door and hurled flashbang grenades into the room, calling out to Pence to surrender. But the cabin was empty, devoid of life. Whoever dwelt within appeared to have made a hasty exit; coffee bubbled in a percolator and a bowl of half-eaten, lukewarm stew was sitting on a small table.

Finding no one home, the military searched the immediate area, following ATV tracks to a clearing a half mile from the cabin. The ATV was there, but its occupant, Michael Pence, was nowhere to be found. Somehow, he had eluded capture.

“It’s like he upped and disappeared,” our source said. “A helicopter couldn’t have got him because the team would have heard it. Someone tipped Pence off, and it looks like he had an escape route planned. Trump wasn’t happy at all. He’s put out an all-points-bulletin for Pence’s capture, and he asked loyal military commanders to stay vigilant and to conduct a more thorough search of the area.”

In closing, our source said Trump has dispatched a forensics team to the cabin to check for prints and fibers and DNA evidence proving that Pence was indeed the cabin’s occupant.

[mountain_jim]

Thought at the 4 year anni it might make sense to copy this article from Q-proponent Martin Geddes here



summary of where we're at, and of the role that Q played.

(go to link for additional embedded links)

https://newsletter.martingeddes.com/p/we-the-people-are-sheep-no-more



We the people are sheep no more!
Four years of Q — a retrospective

Martin Geddes
1 hr ago

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22979207-cea4-4c91-887b-071a9dd5e70a_6000x4000.jpeg

One of the highlights of the last few years was having the Financial Times libel me as a “misinformation superspreader” after I repeated basic facts about immunology to be found in any undergraduate textbook. I have also been slurred by Newsweek and London’s Evening Standard newspaper. Previous writing about the ∆Q network performance algebra never got me much publicity, controversy, or public notoriety. What changed to make me a target?

Four years ago tomorrow – on 28th October 2017 — the first of the “Q drops” appeared on the 4chan message board. While I don’t typically hang out there (as I am synthesist, not an analyst), I have plenty of “amphibian frens” who do. As a result, I got to track the Q phenomenon right from the beginning. That this was the most significant release of intelligence in history was soon abundantly clear to anyone paying attention.

From late 2017 I have become a popular commentator on this backchannel between the military and the “awake” section of the public. It is not the only means of communication that exists, but it is by far the most significant. The ordinary process of scientific empirical rationalism — looking at the Q drop data, forming hypotheses about it, and testing them against experience — has become a revolutionary endeavour in wartime.

Download free "On Q" essay collection (https://www.onq.martingeddes.com/)

We can now better understand the Q drops in their historical context. The Great Awakening is the “white hat” liberty answer to the “black hat” Great Reset tyranny problem. “Make America Great Again” is not only about restoring the Republic’s lost shine, but is a process of restoring individual liberty and rule of law to everyone everywhere. The lasting defeat of totalitarianism on Earth has demanded a suitable anti-totalitarian tool: Q is that weapon of mass discernment.

The Q drops form a complex “information landscape”, part of a wider battlefield to define reality and control the narrative (or eliminate such gatekeepers). The drops are both internally referenced (to each other), and externally referenced — to tweets, events, publications, etc. The data in the drops is encoded in various ways in addition to plain English and pictures.

We see “casts” between data types, transformations, concatenations, abbreviations, and more. Drop numbers, time stamps, gematria, numerology, clock faces, numerals in images: it is all interlinked in a spectacularly byzantine way. My own background in heavyweight computer science (with a little cryptography) helps. I have the conceptual tools and experience to put myself into the shoes of those who conceived the “precision ambiguity” in support of “The Plan To Save The World”.

There is a purposeful architecture in how the drops are assembled, including the “future proves past” design method. This is a bit like Bloom filters in computer programming, which enable the controlled “one way” release of information. Over time we gain “proofs” (pedantically “evidence”) of the coherency and legitimacy of the drops, but done in a way that requires the viewer to consciously evaluate the likelihood of coordination vs coincidence. Thus discernment is honed via critical thinking.

The sophistication of the information landscape told me that it was at a minimum the work of a state level actor with long planning horizons. I have worked at the apex of knowledge in the telecoms and computing industry, and I know what small teams of the most capable can produce. This was at a level above that; there was no question of a “lone teen hacker in a basement” being responsible.

I have previously written about how the Q drops are:


A multi-year process to disclose secret illegal government activity.

A prophylactic against civil war and vigilante activity.

A training program in discernment and logical thinking.

An information weapon against institutionalised crime and corrupted media.


I feel now is a good time to add to this list with four more:

A psychological preparation for “anons” to fight. The “scamdemic” has put us all through extreme distress as we see friends and family foolishly volunteer for the dangerous “clotshot” offered by known criminals. The Q drops gave us the grounding to identify with being at war as active participants, and thus find the resoluteness needed to confront the bio-social battlefield as we find it, not how we might wish it to be. As such, it has been a much needed “bootcamp” to create a formidable citizen army ready for unrestricted warfare.

An anti-demoralisation morale booster. As the Soviet dissident and defector Yuri Bezmenov pointed out, demoralisation is core to the process of a communist style takeover. The Q drops “condensed” the diffused community of “anons” into an emergent but still coherent fighting force, filled with the camaraderie and mutual support that any “real” militia can expect. This arrested the process of demoralisation and halted encroaching tyranny.

A support for individual autonomy to prevent mass hypnosis. Prof Mattias Desmet identifies four prerequisites for totalitarian takeover and loss of individual autonomy, which the Q drops counter. Anons were tarnished by the “QAnon” label as “untouchables”, and endlessly gaslit by the corrupt media about the data on offer. This paradoxically hardened us, giving us the “Q vaccine” against this mass hypnosis: anons DGAF about reputation and the opinion of the hive mind. This will pay off down the road as the level of destruction needed to awaken the brainwashed masses is lessened.

A pre-sensitisation of the public to plausible deniability. The weapon of choice of the totalitarian enemy is to construct a false reality, and have you continually explain it away as being coincidental or emergent, not conspiratorial and engineered. We see this with the pseudopandemic being sold to us, and its genocidal potential being dismissed; it is too scary to accept that someone wants to kill you and your family. The Q drops exposed the underlying mechanism of the dark occult illusion.

When historians comb over the record of this time, they will find a niche of “autists” who are predisposed to finding “information misalignments” and resolving them, no matter what the personal cost. We have collectively achieved the goal of exposure of the hidden enemy and disinfection by the sunlight of facts and logic. The Q project has already denied “narrative dominance” to the mass media, who are now widely seen as discredited.

As the next phase of mass awakening unfolds we will see a re-ordering of society. The removal of power from Marxists creates a vacuum, and the anons will inevitably fill some of that space. We will see the elimination of illegitimate institutions and their authority, and elevation of those who showed courage in their convictions. There is an irreversible soft power that will come from having displayed discernment and a sustained determination not to submit to lies. Furthermore, this reputation for intellectual integrity is unobtainable in retrospect; the window of opportunity is fast closing.

The Q drops are part of a cultural cleansing process with new societal pioneers. (I avoid the term “leaders” since that implies a return to institutional authority.) These are untainted by both the corrupt past as well as the “fruit of the poisoned tree” of spying. The Q drops have been a catalyst for anons to reconstruct reality from “clean” open source intelligence, and do it much faster than we otherwise could have done alone.

As such, the Q “weapon of mass discernment” offers a path for others through the de-brainwashing process of anomaly, contradiction, questioning, delegitimisation, reframing, searching, discovery, and awakening. I am certain that this is an ongoing process for all of us, no matter how far we have progressed. I am only at the stage of “conscious incompetence” of scoping the (previously) esoteric knowledge that I have to acquire to succeed in any future role.

In 2017 I was unaware that we faced Covid paving way for attempted techno-communist takeover, multiple fraudulent elections that would not get immediate resolution, and a fake president running a hoax administration as a giant sting op. No doubt there are more surprises ahead. What the Q drops show is how people in military intelligence know what is coming, and have prepared for it, even if the data only makes sense in retrospect.

The Great Awakening process is much longer than four years: exposure, capture, justice, reveal, transition, and rebuild will take us decades into the future. Hopes for a “fast rescue” we had in 2018 and 2019 have had to be put to one side as the depth of the Deep State was revealed. We have had to accept the rescuer we are seeking is… us. That means more than being keyboard warriors, and re-engaging in our local communities as activists.

The stage is now set for the reveal, which will come on its own timescale. This is the moment when the masses are confronted with sickening reality of pervasive war, even if it is also the point of victory. It may also mean the enemy throws its “death blossom” at us, and we are summoned to fight like we never have had to fight before. The mother of all distractions would be needed to successfully divert people from the father of all surprises.

At this moment we don’t know how bad the death toll will be: bioweapon jabs, supply chain failure, floods from burst dams, civil unrest, weather warfare, space weapons, other acts of nature… we can only hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Confrontation with a ruling death cult changes you, and daily life now involves previously unthinkable trauma. This is a real war in which psyches shredded, the devastation is social and economic, and the bodies of loved ones violated via needle rape. It is harrowing, disturbing, and hideous.

The destruction is all too real for those who perceive it — and I am not the same person I was in 2017. Four years of economic attack, censorship, ostracism, and pressure to buckle have reformed me into a warrior. I have renewed self-respect, enjoyed personal growth (especially through my art), and seen a tangible positive impact on others from my work. Yet a minor place in history doesn’t make my losses or wounds any less painful. I breathe and bleed like everyone else, and have ordinary life and family problems to face.

Looking forward, I have no desire for positions of power (as I am allergic to institutional life), nor prestige (I am not swapping my hoodie for a suit), nor payment (I plan to give away whatever fortune accrues from my Q work). I just want to be left alone and unburdened — to get on with what I want to do that makes a difference. That said, I wouldn’t say “no” to a little bit of respect from family, especially my daughters for having done what is right — even when it was unpopular and condemned.

Difficult times lie ahead of us. The public “reveal” of the depraved cruelty of our enemy will ignite pure rage; the narcissism and egoism of the deceived will be turned back on their deceivers. This will be impossible to contain at first, and chaos is inevitable due to the psychological tearing and bleeding. The Q project has averted a civil war, but that doesn’t stop the fallout from the many poisons already deployed. All we can do is offer comfort to those nursing spiritual wounds and unity with those mourning lost futures.

At the end of the day the “golden rule of gold” still applies: he who has the gold makes the rules, and it seems highly likely the Q team (and US military) are the ones who have the precious metals. They have taken back control over the corrupt central banking industry, and without funding no opposing “supermafia” can survive. As the greatest military intelligence operation in history reaches its crescendo, we will have to face change on a scale beyond our imagination.

We are all having to let go of the old attachments, and many souls may not make it through the upheaval. This may be merciful, as a slave mindset is incompatible with autonomy, and risks recurrence of authoritarianism. Those who unthinkingly gave their minds and bodies to the state won’t prosper in the new world of sovereign beings, so it is possible we will have frequent farewells. The sad lesson of “don’t mess with your genetics” will be indelibly seared into our culture.

The Q project is just the beginning of a long process of renewal of our society, refocused on autonomous individuals, the nuclear family, and spiritual values. We need to rethink the worship of science and technology for their own sake, and refound them with a more robust ethical basis. A whole series of institutions – education, media, social — will need redesign and relaunch.

I don’t know how long the Q process goes, but appear to be close to end of one phase. It really wasn’t just “just another 4 year election”, but the reinvigoration of a whole civilisation. In America there is a natural cycle length and tempo of 4 years, and this chapter of the historical record feels written and closed.

My personal contribution has been “intellectual air cover” — as I have the credentials and credibility, so cannot easily be dismissed as “too stupid to question the official narrative”. I hope I have given “deplorables” extra confidence when they feel intimidated by “the system”, simply because they lack those certificates or career checkmarks. They can point to my work as a coherent body of understanding, and demand a reasoned response from anybody who questions the validity of the Q drops.

It gives me no satisfaction to know that those who have deplatformed and defamed me — the real “misinformation superspreaders” — now face prison and/or ruin. Justice will take its natural course, and I am not a vengeful person. If there are reparations or compensation, it can go to the real victims of media violence — especially veterans and children. The record is already fixed, and I know I am on the right side of history.

Rather than have the last word, I will leave that to Q:

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