Joints, inflammation, etc

[Bill Ryan]

Hello, Everyone:

I'm unaware of a Health and Wellness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?127-Health-and-Wellness) thread about this, but I figured the issue must be so common it might be appreciated by some. That's the issue of joint stiffness, arthritis (when things get rather more difficult), and inflammation in general, which I suspect isn't all that well understood by many.

I have a minor issue myself with this, which is what got me looking at it all. (So often, we only pay attention to these things when a problem surfaces!)

I have slightly creaky knees — Okay, so have most of us, may come the answer — but it's important here, as I'm a mountaineer who ventures into the high wilderness regularly. So it's pretty crucial for me to have strong knees that are guaranteed to work well. :)

I'll report on my progress, as I and others do on the very interesting Water Fasting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread. When I realized there was a problem — stiffness and the very occasional pain under load, which has never happened before — I figured the following:


This has only just started... which means it can be easily caught and handled.
It's all within my control, as it's highly likely to be 99% connected with diet and inflammatory foods.

So for the last 10 days or so I've strictly cut out all


sugars (apart from fruits and honey)
dairy products (zero milk, butter, cheese or yogurt)
eggs
wheat, oats and corn.
(I don't drink alcohol, or else I'd have cut that out as well.)

And I'm taking a tablespoon of turmeric a day, mixed with sesame oil and a ton of ground black pepper, to aid absorption. Turmeric is famous for being a natural and highly effective anti-inflammatory. It's impossible to overdose on the stiff. (Ask any Indian cook! :) )

Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

I'd love to hear of others' experiences here. I'm aware my little issue here is really minor compared with those who've been coping with arthritis and other inflammation-connected problems. But I do know that some have turned those right around, too. Your shared stories might be VERY helpful to a lot of people.

:flower:

[Valerie Villars]

I have read quite a bit about inflammation, not only for my creaky knees, my partner's knees but also regarding inflammation and the role it is playing in my horses allergic reactions during certain seasons.

For both horses and humans, Spirulina seems to help inflammation on any number of levels. I am currently on day 3 experimenting with my horse and will be reporting results.

Also, omega 3,6,9 supplements are good, as is evening primrose oil. They also help with reduction of inflammation.

[scotslad]

Shark Cartilage was "In" for a few years for dealing with this. However, an ice cold pack on the affected area or meditation could help. Onwards and upwards

[Pam]

I thought I would add Dr. Mercola's take on inflammation.

https://articles.mercola.com/inflammation.aspx


The article is a great overview of the topic and suggests diet, nutritional and behavioral interventions. Personally, I have found Tumeric to be really effective. He also lists Spirulina, which is what Valerie is using for her horse. I have tried to add it to my diet but just can't overcome my strong dislike of the taste..I know, it's a poor excuse. Does anyone have a good way to disguise the taste of spirulina?

[Bill Ryan]

Does anyone have a good way to disguise the taste of spirulina?

In smoothies, maybe with honey or sweet fruit (banana, pineapple, etc) to mask the taste.

(THX for the reminder! I have a big bag of spirulina, but I've not opened it for a while. That's very useful. :highfive: )

[Rosemarie]

My shoulder hurts so much I feel like ripping it out sometimes. Tendonitis. Inflammation and the pain irradiates to the arm and neck. Doctor just giving me anti-inflammatory medicine once a day and hot compresses but I am reading I should use an ice pack ? Doctor doesn’t want to give me cortisone injection because of my diabetis. ( under control ) Any advice ?

[EFO]

Hello, Everyone:

I'm unaware of a Health and Wellness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?127-Health-and-Wellness) thread about this, but I figured the issue must be so common it might be appreciated by some. That's the issue of joint stiffness, arthritis (when things get rather more difficult), and inflammation in general, which I suspect isn't all that well understood by many.

I have a minor issue myself with this, which is what got me looking at it all. (So often, we only pay attention to these things when a problem surfaces!)

I have slightly creaky knees — Okay, so have most of us, may come the answer — but it's important here, as I'm a mountaineer who ventures into the high wilderness regularly. So it's pretty crucial for me to have strong knees that are guaranteed to work well. :)

I'll report on my progress, as I and others do on the very interesting Water Fasting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread. When I realized there was a problem — stiffness and the very occasional pain under load, which has never happened before — I figured the following:


This has only just started... which means it can be easily caught and handled.
It's all within my control, as it's highly likely to be 99% connected with diet and inflammatory foods.

So for the last 10 days or so I've strictly cut out all


sugars (apart from fruits and honey)
dairy products (zero milk, butter, cheese or yogurt)
eggs
wheat, oats and corn.
(I don't drink alcohol, or else I'd have cut that out as well.)

And I'm taking a tablespoon of turmeric a day, mixed with sesame oil and a ton of ground black pepper, to aid absorption. Turmeric is famous for being a natural and highly effective anti-inflammatory. It's impossible to overdose on the stiff. (Ask any Indian cook! :) )

Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

I'd love to hear of others' experiences here. I'm aware my little issue here is really minor compared with those who've been coping with arthritis and other inflammation-connected problems. But I do know that some have turned those right around, too. Your shared stories might be VERY helpful to a lot of people.

:flower:

Dear Mr. Ryan and friends,

I'm in the middle of the century and I try to prevent such problems and among other things that I do for my health I eat from time to time the following recipe as shown in the video below:
- 2 pig feet;
- 2 pig ears;
- 1-2 pig tails
salt,black pepper and garlic according to your taste. :) Any other seasoning is welcome :)

Wash wall the pig parts because you never now what were the conditions in the slaughter house or warehouse,cut the feet longitudinal to extract as much collagen during boiling and all these put them to boil until the flesh fall from the bones.
During boiling,from time to time remove the foam for a clear finished product.
When the meat fall from the bones take the meat out and let the soup to cool on the table.
During cooling remove the fat from the surface.
When the soup is cool enough pour it over meat and put it in refrigerator over night.
Next day before lunch,bake a healthy bread and than is to most favorable moment to enjoy a good portion of collagen,gelatine,lysine and arginine for all the joints and not only and a small amount of calories.

And the 3:25 min. video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trTJgdrMdpI

[Sunny-side-up]

2 pig feet;- 2 pig ears;- 1-2 pig tails

O.o EFO I think I rather have my joint stiffness, arthritis and inflammation.

Serious though EFO Good if it works but not for me :sun:

[Franny]

Regard spirulina, when I have it I also add it to smoothies, but the taste can still dominate.

A few years ago I had a health condition that I was treating with certain veggies and fruits which did not make for a good tasting smoothie. I found I could take anything with the addition of fresh lemon juice and it still always works to hide things I would rather not taste :)

Lemon juice helps cleanse the liver and the rind helps even more, just make sure they are organic if you use the rind. I usually use just half the rind in a smoothie blend as it's bitter and more is not really needed. It's a bit rough so I strain it.

[ulli]

Hello, Everyone:

I'm unaware of a Health and Wellness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?127-Health-and-Wellness) thread about this, but I figured the issue must be so common it might be appreciated by some. That's the issue of joint stiffness, arthritis (when things get rather more difficult), and inflammation in general, which I suspect isn't all that well understood by many.

I have a minor issue myself with this, which is what got me looking at it all. (So often, we only pay attention to these things when a problem surfaces!)

I have slightly creaky knees — Okay, so have most of us, may come the answer — but it's important here, as I'm a mountaineer who ventures into the high wilderness regularly. So it's pretty crucial for me to have strong knees that are guaranteed to work well. :)

I'll report on my progress, as I and others do on the very interesting Water Fasting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread. When I realized there was a problem — stiffness and the very occasional pain under load, which has never happened before — I figured the following:


This has only just started... which means it can be easily caught and handled.
It's all within my control, as it's highly likely to be 99% connected with diet and inflammatory foods.

So for the last 10 days or so I've strictly cut out all


sugars (apart from fruits and honey)
dairy products (zero milk, butter, cheese or yogurt)
eggs
wheat, oats and corn.
(I don't drink alcohol, or else I'd have cut that out as well.)

And I'm taking a tablespoon of turmeric a day, mixed with sesame oil and a ton of ground black pepper, to aid absorption. Turmeric is famous for being a natural and highly effective anti-inflammatory. It's impossible to overdose on the stiff. (Ask any Indian cook! :) )

Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

I'd love to hear of others' experiences here. I'm aware my little issue here is really minor compared with those who've been coping with arthritis and other inflammation-connected problems. But I do know that some have turned those right around, too. Your shared stories might be VERY helpful to a lot of people.

:flower:

I do a combination when I get plagued by stiff joints.
Clears up the problem pretty fast.
1) Micromat, (PEMFdevice) using the “Joints” and “Pain” programs.
2) Gelicart, an over the counter medication that protects the joints by depositing a jelly-like cushion between the bones.
3) hot salt bag on the painful area. (Usually my hip)
Also use tumeric sometimes, but dont really like the taste, not even in tea.
Have lots of tumeric plants growing around the house, though.

[Bill Ryan]

2 pig feet;- 2 pig ears;- 1-2 pig tailsEFO I think I rather have my joint stiffness, arthritis and inflammation.



Well, it's actually just a kind of bone broth (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/bone-broth). My guess is that the same benefits would be found from beef bones, as well — a good source of collagen.

[greybeard]

The ball and socket joint in my shoulders are sore I don't think anything can be done about it but "Discomfort" can be reduced.
I use castor oil mixed with DMSO.
Hands are arthritic.

I dont think coffee is a good idea.
Chris

[Patient]

Be careful on your "strenuous high day hike". I had minor knee irritations until one day when it became a major issue. The meniscus was very damaged and I was only hampered by it slightly until one day when it suddenly showed itself in its full furry.

I know you take the necessary precautions and such. Our bodies can compensate and hide issues from us. I would hate to hear a story of you having to hop down a mountain path on one leg. :)

[Valerie Villars]

Perhaps wearing a simple neoprene or similar brace on your knee to stabilize it while on the hikes could reduce the risk.

As Patient said above, the same thing happened to me one day, but while doing squats (which I had literally done thousands of time in my life) and to this day, many years later, it is still and will always be messed up.

[Liz.]

I have found that a thumb of ginger in the morning smoothie works miracles for the inflammation and pain.

[scotslad]

Also - a V shaped pillow can help in many different ways from neck pain, back pain and can also be placed between your knees too :) Re neck and back pain, if you dont have a V shaped pillow, simply place one on top of the other at an angle to create a v for your head, and your shoulder goes underneath/up against - and re knees etc - just try one between them. A little known fact, apparently 1 in 5 arthritic sufferers suffer from "Ekbom Syndrome" or involuntary movement of the legs, (also known as "fidgety feet" in scotland, or Restless legs/Tried Legs) which apparently was misdiagnosed by the medical fraternity for 40+ years. Massaging the legs with a seaweed gel can help get the circulation going and the high content of trace elements and amino acids getting absorbed by the skin can also help in many different ways. Wishing you well.

[Pam]

Regard spirulina, when I have it I also add it to smoothies, but the taste can still dominate.

A few years ago I had a health condition that I was treating with certain veggies and fruits which did not make for a good tasting smoothie. I found I could take anything with the addition of fresh lemon juice and it still always works to hide things I would rather not taste :)

Lemon juice helps cleanse the liver and the rind helps even more, just make sure they are organic if you use the rind. I usually use just half the rind in a smoothie blend as it's bitter and more is not really needed. It's a bit rough so I strain it.

Franny, I just learned the wonderful trick of adding fresh lemon to make just about every vegetable blended drink taste really good. I just inherited my sisters old Vitamix and I am totally blown away by all the veggies I can blend into a drink and make it good by adding lemon and even better by throwing in a handful of berries. I don't know if I'm pushing my luck but I am going to try to add a hunk of zucchini squash tonight and see if it will still taste good. I love the fact that it also has liver cleansing qualities, which has to be beneficial for inflammation as well. ( I had to try and tie my comment into the topic somehow ):idea:

[happyuk]

One of the main causes of arthritis, rheumatism and many other inflammatory diseases is auto-intoxication, which is due to faulty elimination. Uneliminated, decayed food stays like a paste of glue on the walls of the intestines and is absorbed into the blood. Disease naturally follows.

It is the fashion these days to recommend medical marijuana and the like but I would endorse a fruit juice diet or complete fast, one day per week.

Another recommendation which I think would improve the health of the average man who lives on an ordinary diet, is to evacuate the intestines and flush the bowels completely once or twice a month by a day of drinking only vegetable juices or two or three quarts of water. This general house-cleaning is helpful. To flush the drains and pipes of the arteries every now and then is to prevent them from becoming clogged with poisons.

I would also recommend the energization exercises (https://forjoywelive.org/2013/01/19/energization-exercises-of-paramhansa-yogananda/) developed by Paramahansa Yogananda.

[Deega]

I think the problem come from SUGAR, and AGE, we need to lower our consumption of sugar and our joints will worked considerably well. Think you have a good Menu ahead !

[EFO]

2 pig feet;- 2 pig ears;- 1-2 pig tails

O.o EFO I think I rather have my joint stiffness, arthritis and inflammation.

Serious though EFO Good if it works but not for me :sun:

I'm sorry if I disturbed you with my recipe,but I've add it for Bill if he eat this kind of food and for other readers of the forum.
Sorry again.

[EFO]

2 pig feet;- 2 pig ears;- 1-2 pig tailsEFO I think I rather have my joint stiffness, arthritis and inflammation.



Well, it's actually just a kind of bone broth (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/bone-broth). My guess is that the same benefits would be found from beef bones, as well — a good source of collagen.

Thanks Bill,I forgot to mention the beef which is way more tasteful than pig with the same seasonings.

On the other hand this food can be made also from any kind of birds chicken,turkey and/or ostrich with according buying prices.

[Sue (Ayt)]

This is timely for me, Bill, as I had some kind of bad knee injury in February. Being stupid, I was trying to move a king size bed and I gave a mighty shove with my knee, and heard a loud audible pop! Shortly after, I had excrutiating pain and swelling and couldn't walk on that leg at all, so reluctantly figured I had to go to the ER.

My sister took me, and wheeled me in where I was told my BP was sky high. It's usually normal, but they said pain does that, and finally they did an xray. (horrendous pain trying to get on the table, and then position the knee as they needed me to.) After quite a wait, a nurse finally called me in and said nothing was found on the xray except some arthritis, and they couldn't prescribe any pain pills except tramadol (neither of which I would take anyway). I was to do R.I.C.E. (rest, ice, compression, elevate) and they gave me some crutches and sent me on my way. I also was to call an Orthopedic Surgeon in the morning for an appointment and an MRI.

Once home, in great pain, I did do the RICE, and Ibuprofen helped, as it had for me with a bad injury in the past. But the ortho doc was unable to see me for 10 days, so I figured it was pretty much up to me to battle through til then, and I did massive research to figure out what best to do. For the injury, I took a lot of Vitamin C every 2 hours or so, and the ice helped most.

Anyway, after slowly healing for the 10 days I finally made it to the Ortho Doc and it was the worst appt. ever! I believe he saw me for about 5 minutes. He hardly examined my knee, and he said "You have arthritis. I can give you a shot of cortisone to help."
I asked him "Why would I want cortisone???"
He says, "It will help your pain."
I told him that it's been healing for 10 days now, and the pain has lessened and I felt it was already healing, so no thanks. His response was "Suit yourself, then. That's about all I can do. I'll give you a brace to wear." Then he was about out the door when I caught him and asked him "But doc - what happened here?"
He says it's just arthritis, typical of age, and nothing can be done, and the "POP" I heard was just "Bone on Bone" and it will just continue to get worse and I will need a knee replacement. Bye.

Anyhow - I went out of there so disgusted. I was unaware I even had arthritis. (although slight tinges on occasion, in the one knee, like Bill said.) But basically, I was on my own with this. (despite a bill for $180 + $75 for the leg brace) What a rip-off waste that visit was! The doc never even did an MRI.

My research found that most likely the pop I heard was something to do with the ACL, or something similar, so I researched that best I could. Also researched everything I could about arthritis, as I have no intention of joining the joint replacement crowd. Sorry doc. My research also found that the scare tactic term of "bone on bone" is a fallacy used to facilitate the high dollar joint replacement procedures. (Seem that the joint replacements of today are very much like the mass tonsillectomies us boomers all had in the 50's/60's.) ChaChing$$$

What I found that I took was:
Gu Sui Bu (drynaria fortunai) a Chinese herbal forumla that re-builds cartilage and bone
Collagen
Fish Oil
Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM
Hylauronic Acid
Vitamin C

For pain I used rubs of
magnesium oil spray (which I make myself and use anyway)
Frankincense essential oil
and a product called Penetrex, a roll-on which includes arnica and DMSO

Anyway, it has been 6 months now, and I have toned down on taking these some now, as I am back to where I was before. Yay! I ditched the crutches, and the brace after a month, but used compression knee sleeve for a few months more, and might continue as they are so supportive and feel good.

Oh - one more thing that worked amazingly for me, although I didn't really think it would, was a tens machine. It really did seem to make the pain vanish by the next morning when I used it! Really surprised me. I am now a believer in the TENS.

Now my knees both feel almost better than ever, and I am so so grateful about that. Maybe it's just because after that god-awful pain, I just feel elated to be hiking and gardening and doing all that good stuff again.
:sun:

[Trisher]

Have you tried using MSM Bill? There is lots of evidence that it calms pain and inflammation, detoxes and helps joint mobility.

https://draxe.com/nutrition/supplements/msm-supplement/

"6 MSM Supplement Benefits

Commonly used topically on the skin and also taken by mouth, MSM is especially popular as part of an arthritis diet and supplementation plan to treat arthritis pain or osteoarthritis/degenerative joint disease since it helps form connective tissue and repair joints, tendons and ligaments.

Of course, that is just one of many MSM supplement benefits. Methylsulfonylmethane supplementation can do the following:
1. Treats Osteoarthritis and Joint Pain

A well-researched benefit of MSM is that it helps decrease joint inflammation, improves flexibility and restores collagen production. Research shows that many patients with arthritis, joint pain, stiffness, knee/back problems and a limited range of motion experience a reduction in symptoms and improved quality of life when taking an MSM supplement.

MSM supplements are beneficial for helping the body form new joint and muscle tissue while lowering inflammatory responses that contribute to swelling and stiffness. An MSM supplement is a natural and effective anti-inflammatory because of how sulfur impacts the immune system and facilitates normal cellular activity. Sulfur needs to be present for our cells to release many byproducts and excess fluids that can accumulate and cause swelling/tenderness.

A clinical trial testing the effects of MSM on joint pain in 118 patients with osteoarthritis found that compared to a placebo, MSM supplements taken over 12 weeks resulted in more improvements in pain, swelling and joint mobility. MSM supplements were given in 500-milligram doses three times daily along with glucosamine (also taken in 500-milligram doses three times daily). Together they both seem to safely reduce inflammation and pain intensity without causing side effects for the majority of people. (3)

That makes MSM — especially when combined with glucosamine — an excellent natural treatment for arthritis."

Trisher

[Delight]

My shoulder hurts so much I feel like ripping it out sometimes. Tendonitis. Inflammation and the pain irradiates to the arm and neck. Doctor just giving me anti-inflammatory medicine once a day and hot compresses but I am reading I should use an ice pack ? Doctor doesn’t want to give me cortisone injection because of my diabetis. ( under control ) Any advice ?

For the shoulder, maybe think about PEMF (Pulsed ElectroMagnetic Field therapy). If you have access to a powerful machine (maybe at a chiropractor's office), that is good. There is a device on amazon called actipatch (https://www.amazon.com/ActiPatch-Advanced-24-Hour-Drug-Free-Sensation-Free/dp/B07FYQMZF2/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=actipatch&qid=1563724020&s=gateway&sr=8-3#customerReviews). It is taped into place and left on for 8 to 12 hours at a time. It takes a few days especially if pain is chronic.

Golden Milk using turmeric, ginger and pepper together is really good IMO.


Golden Milk Recipe
Perfect for an evening drink just before bed, here’s Dr. Weil’s recipe for Golden Milk:

Heat 2 cups light, unsweetened coconut milk (or almond or soymilk)
Add 1/2 tablespoon peeled, grated fresh ginger
Add 1 tablespoon peeled, grated fresh turmeric
Add 3-4 black peppercorns
Heat all ingredients in a saucepan
Stir well
Bring to a simmer and simmer covered for 10 minutes.
Strain and sweeten to taste (if desired).

I also think massage therapy is a key to relieving pain. Hands on doesn't have to be professional IMO... just well intended.

[Bill Ryan]

Have you tried using MSM Bill? There is lots of evidence that it calms pain and inflammation, detoxes and helps joint mobility.

Thanks! Yes, I take MSM (with Glucosamine and Chondroitin) daily. The combo was 500mg, 750mg, and 600mg, but I started doubling that a few days ago.

* A personal note: I'm not unduly worried. I just find this interesting: it's how I learn things. But because I had some attention on it, I thought it might be a useful resource thread for others, too.

[samildamach]

Hello, Everyone:

I'm unaware of a Health and Wellness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?127-Health-and-Wellness) thread about this, but I figured the issue must be so common it might be appreciated by some. That's the issue of joint stiffness, arthritis (when things get rather more difficult), and inflammation in general, which I suspect isn't all that well understood by many.

I have a minor issue myself with this, which is what got me looking at it all. (So often, we only pay attention to these things when a problem surfaces!)

I have slightly creaky knees — Okay, so have most of us, may come the answer — but it's important here, as I'm a mountaineer who ventures into the high wilderness regularly. So it's pretty crucial for me to have strong knees that are guaranteed to work well. :)

I'll report on my progress, as I and others do on the very interesting Water Fasting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread. When I realized there was a problem — stiffness and the very occasional pain under load, which has never happened before — I figured the following:


This has only just started... which means it can be easily caught and handled.
It's all within my control, as it's highly likely to be 99% connected with diet and inflammatory foods.

So for the last 10 days or so I've strictly cut out all


sugars (apart from fruits and honey)
dairy products (zero milk, butter, cheese or yogurt)
eggs
wheat, oats and corn.
(I don't drink alcohol, or else I'd have cut that out as well.)

And I'm taking a tablespoon of turmeric a day, mixed with sesame oil and a ton of ground black pepper, to aid absorption. Turmeric is famous for being a natural and highly effective anti-inflammatory. It's impossible to overdose on the stiff. (Ask any Indian cook! :) )

Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

I'd love to hear of others' experiences here. I'm aware my little issue here is really minor compared with those who've been coping with arthritis and other inflammation-connected problems. But I do know that some have turned those right around, too. Your shared stories might be VERY helpful to a lot of people.

:flower:
About a year ago I was asking for help with my dogs arthritis suffering.
Target recommended msm in tablet form.
It's in expensive and easy to get hold of.
I know three people who are now using it successfully for joint pain and ease of movement.
It simply adds a film to the catlidge area affected acting like a buffer.it takes about three weeks to start working.

[TomKat]

Perhaps wearing a simple neoprene or similar brace on your knee to stabilize it while on the hikes could reduce the risk.

As Patient said above, the same thing happened to me one day, but while doing squats (which I had literally done thousands of time in my life) and to this day, many years later, it is still and will always be messed up.

As a Chinese doctor told me: "First your knees go, then your hips." That's the main reason I want to lose weight.

[NancyV]

About 5 months ago I started my husband on an experimental diet. He not only was in a state of constant inflammation, but had open heart surgery (triple bypass) and is on dialysis, which I do for him at home 3 days a week. He is allergic to LOTS of foods, herbs, medicines, etc etc. I've poisoned him more times than I can remember with my different experiments to try to get him healthier.

I ran across the Carnivore Diet, which is animal products only, mostly just meat. We cut out all foods except steak (rib eye) and ate that twice a day. He lost about 55 pounds in 4 months and all his inflammation disappeared. When you cut out all carbs you begin to burn fat and go into a state of ketosis. One could argue that a diet prevalent in meat was probably a normal human diet for many thousands of years.

We started adding back one thing at a time and as we thought, he is allergic to almost all the foods we have tried for him. Right now he is only eating steak, salt, potatoes, butter, chicken and maybe some toast once or twice a week. Most vegetables and salad make him throw up very quickly. So he will probably stay on a mostly meat diet. No inflammation has returned. His kidney doctor also says that his numbers are getting much better. I draw blood once a month and we send it to be analyzed ... the results are that a big improvement has taken place.

One of the best ways to find out if you are allergic to certain foods is to go on a mono diet of meat, which probably most people would not be allergic to, and then add back one thing at a time after at least a month. There are lots of videos on youtube on the carnivore diet and many people have reversed many different problems and diseases with the carnivore diet. There are quite a few doctors who also do youtube videos on a regular basis. :)

[PurpleLama]

I would consider taking castor oil packs, perhaps on the point of injury/inflammation. Also, apple vinegar with mother is a powerful anti-inflammatory, but in order to be effective must be taken in a high enough dose. Two fingers in a pint jar with twice as much water. Chug it down!

[Bill Ryan]

the Carnivore Diet

Nancy, many thanks, and that's SO SO SO interesting. I really appreciated the detailed report. Kudos to you for making it all work out when so many might have become totally discouraged.

There's a marvelous book by Dr Richard Mackarness called Not All in the Mind (https://www.amazon.com/Not-All-Mind-Richard-Mackarness/dp/0330245929). You should do whatever you can to get it.

He was a psychiatrist, and discovered that many people who were institutionalized, on heavy drug regimes, and diagnosed with (e.g.) schizophrenia suddenly became totally normal when the foods they were allergic to were identified and eliminated — usually, a whole bunch of everyday things all at once.

In the book, Mackarness recommends the Carnivore Diet.... one of the very earliest to do so. The book was published in 1976.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

To reduce inflammation I would recommend limiting carbohydrates. I am currently on an anti cancer regimen that includes a restricted eating window- eating for 6-7 hours and fasting for 17-18 hour a each day. Dr. Panda at the Salk institute in San Diego has produced impressive results - with mice - reducing inflammation, diabetes and many many other biomarkers for disease using this protocol. He is currently gathering data from human volunteers who are using intermittent fasting.

I have noticed increased energy and a complete reduction of inflammatory and arthritic symptoms. I would recommend giving it a try and monitoring symptoms. Good luck !

[Trisher]

First and foremost is gut health. If we have gut Dysbiosis and we have leaky gut then we will have all kinds of health issues from inflammation to allergies to food, joint pains, acidosis etc. Most of our immune system lies in the microbiome. There are many ways to start healing it. I would say that fermented foods would be on the top of my list as well as adjusting the diet to create a healthier gut ( more veggies..no processed foods..more raw).
Another way to heal body inflammation is taking alkaline baths. You can add Sodium Bicarbonate..Epsom salts..Magnesium chloride and measure the PH. (Salt is not recommended) Anything over 8.5 would be good. The bath should be taken at around body temperature and last a minimum of an hour and a half to two hours to get maximum results. If you top up the water then you need to add more Sodium Bicarbonate. This bathing will pull acidity and toxins from the body and ease joint pain. If you don't have a bath then a foot bath will also be beneficial. Doing this a number of times will have good results for most people and is an ancient remedy for good health.

Trisher

[Bill Ryan]

To reduce inflammation I would recommend limiting carbohydrates. I am currently on an anti cancer regimen that includes a restricted eating window- eating for 6-7 hours and fasting for 17-18 hour a each day. Dr. Panda at the Salk institute in San Diego has produced impressive results - with mice - reducing inflammation, diabetes and many many other biomarkers for disease using this protocol. He is currently gathering data from human volunteers who are using intermittent fasting.

I have noticed increased energy and a complete reduction of inflammatory and arthritic symptoms. I would recommend giving it a try and monitoring symptoms. Good luck !

Very interesting — can you share a little more about your protocol? Is your 6-7 hour eating window in the morning? And what do you eat and drink during that period? When you say you limit carbs, do you also limit fruit and vegetables?

THX... great news that you're doing so well on this.

:highfive:

[NancyV]

the Carnivore Diet

Nancy, many thanks, and that's SO SO SO interesting. I really appreciated the detailed report. Kudos to you for making it all work out when so many might have become totally discouraged.

There's a marvelous book by Dr Richard Mackarness called Not All in the Mind (https://www.amazon.com/Not-All-Mind-Richard-Mackarness/dp/0330245929). You should do whatever you can to get it.

He was a psychiatrist, and discovered that many people who were institutionalized, on heavy drug regimes, and diagnosed with (e.g.) schizophrenia suddenly became totally normal when the foods they were allergic to were identified and eliminated — usually, a whole bunch of everyday things all at once.

In the book, Mackarness recommends the Carnivore Diet.... one of the very earliest to do so. The book was published in 1976.

Thanks, Bill, I ordered the book on Amazon just now and it looks great. Another similar book which explains that many people are allergic to common foods we all eat is The Plant Paradox: https://www.amazon.com/Plant-Paradox-Dangers-Healthy-Disease/dp/006242713X/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=the+vegetable+paradox&qid=1563806914&s=gateway&sr=8-2

"Most of us have heard of gluten—a protein found in wheat that causes widespread inflammation in the body. Americans spend billions of dollars on gluten-free diets in an effort to protect their health. But what if we’ve been missing the root of the problem? In The Plant Paradox, renowned cardiologist Dr. Steven Gundry reveals that gluten is just one variety of a common, and highly toxic, plant-based protein called lectin. Lectins are found not only in grains like wheat but also in the “gluten-free” foods most of us commonly regard as healthy, including many fruits, vegetables, nuts, beans, and conventional dairy products. These proteins, which are found in the seeds, grains, skins, rinds, and leaves of plants, are designed by nature to protect them from predators (including humans). Once ingested, they incite a kind of chemical warfare in our bodies, causing inflammatory reactions that can lead to weight gain and serious health conditions."

It's funny to think that I was an avid vegetarian for 7 years and yet became less healthy as time went on. Now in my old age I'm discovering so many new things. I love finding out how silly I was about many things! :clapping:

[James]

Interesting thread, especially regarding the carnivore diet.

There's been a lot of anecdotal evidence supporting the carnivore diet for the effective management of a wide array autoimmune issues.

I spent a few years as a vegetarian, and wasn't much for the healthier, so I personally reintroduced lean meats and fatty fish back into my diet - and noticed a huge difference for the positive. I later added time restricted eating, and noticed even more positive changes.

Of all the life extension studies done on mice, caloric restriction and time restricted eating seem to provide some of the largest gains in lifespan, thus, we could assume also, health. But, as anyone who does lab research will jokingly tell you, "we can cure all forms of cancer... In mice!"

There are some interesting points of data that would support the effectivity of a meat-based diet for the management of autoimmune/inflammatory illnesses. Certain individuals are more sensitive to proteins like gluten or lectins, found in plants, so assuming these individuals follow the standard food pyramid diet, they'd be consuming vast amounts of these proteins that can irritate the lining of the digestive track, setting off fireworks in the hoards of immune cells that hang out in that area of the body.

Back to the mice, another potential bit of data supporting the carnivore diet, though not necessarily directly, is it sort of forces time restricted eating. I personally find it difficult to eat dinner after having a large piece of steak at a cookout several hours earlier. Meat is loaded with proteins and fats, both of which are highly satiating, and don't drive insulin up, down, left, and right like simple carbohydrates do. Lowering carbohydrate (thus glucose) levels over a couple days can put the body into a state of cyclical ketosis, where cells utilize stored lipids in the body as fuel. This is a lot cleaner than "burning" proteins or glucose.

A lot of individuals who adopt a carnivore diet eat much less frequently, and maybe, like the mice in the laboratory, are experiencing some benefits of time restricted eating.

It's also noteworthy that plants really would rather not be eaten, so they do produce certain compounds called polyphenols, however, there is little evidence that this mechanism harms us in any way. The data suggests it is a form of eustress for the mitochondria in cells, among many other things and systems. The same might not be said about lectins and gluten.

[Deux Corbeaux]

Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila are on a carnivore diet.

It helped Mikhaila cure decades of depression, anxiety, arthritis, skin issues, autoimmune issues, and more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLF29w6YqXs

Mikhaila endured multiple health problems when she was growing up. She was diagnosed with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis at age 7 which eventually led to her needing a hip and ankle replacement as a teenager. She took multiple prescription medications, suffered from serious skin problems, was severely depressed and had chronic fatigue.

After years of research trying to solve her autoimmune problems, she began to focus on her diet and started eliminating foods via self experimentation. Mikhaila eventually ended up on a Carnivore diet (beef and water only) which has resolved her multiple conditions. She’s now off of all medications and in complete remission.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR-BSIr4d_E

[Tomkoyote]

For arthritis, OA, joint pain, join inflammation there are a few products that can help a lot.
Keep taking turmeric; you can also add depending what you can find in your area:
- Borax + baking soda
- Pau d'Arco (Tabebuia impetiginosa) - should be easy to find in South America
- Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) - should be easy to find in South America
- Boswellia tears (the gum), probably harder to find in South America (?)

If you find any or some of the above items and decide to use them, post back and I'll suggest ways to take them.

[CurEus]

I very much agree with everything that has been posted so far.

A good search term is Boron conspiracy. Israel has very high levels of boron in their diet and lowest rates of arthitis in the world.......conversely areas with low boron see large spikes in joint and arthritic concerns. It is now banned in Australia.....

As it relates to carnivore. I had suddenly developed psoriasis one evening after going out to eat with friends and have a few pints of beer. The next day I was covered in blisters, boils, cystic acne and went to the hospital None of the tests were conclusive. Even was given a batter of tropical illness tests and STD tests. 5 Professors of dermatology, ER doctors and a bunch of interns of varying specialties. After 2 days I could no longer walk or use my hand....psoriasis is also a form of arthritis ( who knew)

To make a long story short I went to see my GP who is very naturally oriented.

His determined I had a leaky gut and undigested proteins entered my bloodstream and collected around joints which the body attacked as a foreign substance.......the skin eruptions were because my body could not climate through the kidneys and liver......the only other way...is through the skin.

I was placed on an Organic Apple juice fast for 10 days and in about 3 days everything pretty much cleared. After that I was placed on the GAPS diet ( lots of bone broth) for 3 months. All is well 8 years later.

I tend to by mostly carnivore most of the time. I dropped 40 lbs of blubber, my skin is very clear as are my thoughts ( mostly, I am clinically ADHD) and with a bit of magnesium I no longer have panic or overwhelming anxiety issues.

Important

I no longer consume grains, grain alcohols, legumes (I do eat peanuts) but I could if I REALLY needed to but not regularly.

As an elimination diet carnivore is meat (usually fatty cuts of beef) salt, water, some add dairy, poultry and fish) is an excellent option it is also very helpful for people with depression, anxiety and other mental concerns ......everything begins in the gut. Cognition, fear, the immune system, mental and psychical health....remember the vagus nerve goes from the brain right into the stomach. Almost all processed food create gut dysbiosis in the micro flora biome......if "bad" micro flora take over their waste can literally cripple us and drive us insane.

There are some exceptions. I now consider herbs, plants and mushrooms to be medicinals... fruits do not bother me but their sugar content can be an issue.

Good luck with whatever you find that works for you!

[NancyV]

Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila are on a carnivore diet.

It helped Mikhaila cure decades of depression, anxiety, arthritis, skin issues, autoimmune issues, and more.

The Jordan Peterson video was the first one I saw that mentioned the Carnivore diet. I like Jordan a lot and thought it was worthwhile checking out the Carnivore diet in more depth, so I went on to watch about 50 videos including his daughter's. My husband is a lot like his daughter in that he is allergic to almost all foods. Good thing he loves steak! :)

[Arcturian108]

Bill,
If you are familiar with Nexus Magazine, then you can look up their article "The Borax Conspiracy" as I don't think I can copy the pdf file here. The element boron has been eliminated from our diets just so we can get arthritic sooner, rather than later. Boron is readily available in the cleaning agent sold in American supermarkets under the name "Borax". I have been ingesting it as a supplement for 20 years and it nipped my arthritic knees and hands in the bud.
In addition Seraphim Healing energies from the Seraphim Blueprint also assisted in this healing.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Bill-
For the 17/7 fasting/eating window, I eat from 8am until 3pm most days. If I have a social commitment that may shift to 11am to 7pm. Limiting carbs means one meal with either quinoa, rice, or wheat, and a second meal that is a salad with greens, avocados, nuts and protien in the form of beans, fish or chicken. I supplement with seasonal fruit and smoothies. I am convinced that the healing, restorative properties occur during the later phase of the fasting window. On day three I had detox symptoms and will still have some nausea if I fail to drink enough water. Hope this answers your questions. Tomorrow I try my first 24 hour fast! Healthy thoughts to everyone.

[Rosemarie]

16/8 fasting, eating for me.
I read somewhere in a thread in Avalon ( or a link ) about intermittent fasting so I gave it a tried 3 months ago. I have breakfast around 10 am starting with 16 onz celery juice (that I am in my second year) and my last meal at 6 pm. I fast for 16 hours. No carbs at all, just some low carb vegetales. No potatoes for example. No rice, no pasta and no sugar ( i have a sweet tooth ) Protein the 3 meals.
After a month I included some fruits like raspberries and blueberries and apples as snacks.
My diabetes is under control with perfect numbers for the first time in years.
Hopefully inflammation is down too. I just hurt my shoulder a couple of months ago , and hating going to a doctor did not had it looked and it got worst....... but the last couple of days finally I am seeing some improvement .

I have found out that what they say about the 21/90 rule is true. It takes 21 days to create a habit , and 90 to create a lifestyle.

[RogeRio]

I think sugar its not good because its a very high dose to metabolism, especially the refined sugar. In general we use sugar according to our taste, not taking into account how much it charges the organism. Like alcool, that a normal human being can metabolize only 10 ml by hour, I think sugar may be similar.

Pehaps, Inflammations are not so bad, if your imuno system are working good, and thats the point I want close focus - Any charge in the organism can unbalanced the complex imuno system defenses. By the way, rest and chicken broth are very good, say our grandparents.

I think the issues about Egs, milks, dairy products, meat, etc, can be more related to what its contained in them, that firstly its not a food, and second overloaded the organism, like the refined sugar, or worst, the "evil aspartame". The presence of antibiotics can easely make bacterias more resistant to the imuno system defenses. For example, a child can feel very bad quickly.

Not coincidentally, when the unbalanced imuno system defenses fail, we feel bad and need to take at least some extra anti-inflammatory substances.

[fifi]

Have you tried using MSM Bill? There is lots of evidence that it calms pain and inflammation, detoxes and helps joint mobility.

https://draxe.com/nutrition/supplements/msm-supplement/

"6 MSM Supplement Benefits

Commonly used topically on the skin and also taken by mouth, MSM is especially popular as part of an arthritis diet and supplementation plan to treat arthritis pain or osteoarthritis/degenerative joint disease since it helps form connective tissue and repair joints, tendons and ligaments.

Of course, that is just one of many MSM supplement benefits. Methylsulfonylmethane supplementation can do the following:
1. Treats Osteoarthritis and Joint Pain

A well-researched benefit of MSM is that it helps decrease joint inflammation, improves flexibility and restores collagen production. Research shows that many patients with arthritis, joint pain, stiffness, knee/back problems and a limited range of motion experience a reduction in symptoms and improved quality of life when taking an MSM supplement.

MSM supplements are beneficial for helping the body form new joint and muscle tissue while lowering inflammatory responses that contribute to swelling and stiffness. An MSM supplement is a natural and effective anti-inflammatory because of how sulfur impacts the immune system and facilitates normal cellular activity. Sulfur needs to be present for our cells to release many byproducts and excess fluids that can accumulate and cause swelling/tenderness.

A clinical trial testing the effects of MSM on joint pain in 118 patients with osteoarthritis found that compared to a placebo, MSM supplements taken over 12 weeks resulted in more improvements in pain, swelling and joint mobility. MSM supplements were given in 500-milligram doses three times daily along with glucosamine (also taken in 500-milligram doses three times daily). Together they both seem to safely reduce inflammation and pain intensity without causing side effects for the majority of people. (3)

That makes MSM — especially when combined with glucosamine — an excellent natural treatment for arthritis."

Trisher

Where can I get MSM? What is a good brand of MSM?

[Zanshin]

Bill,
If you are familiar with Nexus Magazine, then you can look up their article "The Borax Conspiracy" as I don't think I can copy the pdf file here. The element boron has been eliminated from our diets just so we can get arthritic sooner, rather than later. Boron is readily available in the cleaning agent sold in American supermarkets under the name "Borax". I have been ingesting it as a supplement for 20 years and it nipped my arthritic knees and hands in the bud.
In addition Seraphim Healing energies from the Seraphim Blueprint also assisted in this healing.

This is the article you are referencing Arcturian - the Nexus link seems to be showing an error page.

https://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm

Walter Last wrote this piece about an ag. scientist, Rex Newnham, out of Perth W.A. in the '60's
who noted a deficiency of boron in the soil and began treating himself with
boron supplements for arthritis with immediate results.
If memory serves, the concept was - boron prevents calcium leaching out of the bones into the surrounding tissues (calcifying the joint) -
this being one among many benefits such as anti-fungal,ergo anti candida etc.

When demand for the pills he was producing exceeded 10 000 bottles/ month, he approached a big drug company to take over, who in turn
approached the government to shut him down (successfully).

I take borax (irregularly) with perceptible results. I'm not very scientific about it -
stirring too much into a glass of water tastes very soapy (it is used as a laundry softener).

They still sell it in the local supermarket. The label doesn't say 'poison' - just 'not to be taken'

Also good for removing tea stains from clothes and oil stains from concrete. :bigsmile:

[CurEus]

EFO those animal parts may upset "some" but they are very widely consumed in most ethnic communities......for their nutrients. Mosrt Europeans and N. American consumed them just 1-2 generations ago. I like "nose to tail" eating..waste nothing.....although I am not a fain of brains or offal myself.

[Clarity]

I've suffered from joint inflammation for years, was a life long vegetarian till the age of 47.

I then switched over to a Paleo diet and was very strict with it for 3 years, all the inflammation went away along with a few unwanted pounds.

I now eat paleo 50% of the time but the joint pain has started to come back so time to get strict again.

For me there were no supplements that seems to help with joint pain although I do take supplements for other issues - diet was a game changer.

[Clarity]

Hello, Everyone:

I'm unaware of a Health and Wellness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?127-Health-and-Wellness) thread about this, but I figured the issue must be so common it might be appreciated by some. That's the issue of joint stiffness, arthritis (when things get rather more difficult), and inflammation in general, which I suspect isn't all that well understood by many.

I have a minor issue myself with this, which is what got me looking at it all. (So often, we only pay attention to these things when a problem surfaces!)

I have slightly creaky knees — Okay, so have most of us, may come the answer — but it's important here, as I'm a mountaineer who ventures into the high wilderness regularly. So it's pretty crucial for me to have strong knees that are guaranteed to work well. :)

I'll report on my progress, as I and others do on the very interesting Water Fasting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread. When I realized there was a problem — stiffness and the very occasional pain under load, which has never happened before — I figured the following:


This has only just started... which means it can be easily caught and handled.
It's all within my control, as it's highly likely to be 99% connected with diet and inflammatory foods.

So for the last 10 days or so I've strictly cut out all


sugars (apart from fruits and honey)
dairy products (zero milk, butter, cheese or yogurt)
eggs
wheat, oats and corn.
(I don't drink alcohol, or else I'd have cut that out as well.)

And I'm taking a tablespoon of turmeric a day, mixed with sesame oil and a ton of ground black pepper, to aid absorption. Turmeric is famous for being a natural and highly effective anti-inflammatory. It's impossible to overdose on the stiff. (Ask any Indian cook! :) )

Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

I'd love to hear of others' experiences here. I'm aware my little issue here is really minor compared with those who've been coping with arthritis and other inflammation-connected problems. But I do know that some have turned those right around, too. Your shared stories might be VERY helpful to a lot of people.

:flower:
About a year ago I was asking for help with my dogs arthritis suffering.
Target recommended msm in tablet form.
It's in expensive and easy to get hold of.
I know three people who are now using it successfully for joint pain and ease of movement.
It simply adds a film to the catlidge area affected acting like a buffer.it takes about three weeks to start working.



MSM works along with Vitamin C to make cartilage and collagen, in dogs this is not a problem as they make their own vitamin C.

Humans don't make their own and should consume or supplement with vitamin C at the same time as the MSM.

[toppy]

Have you tried using MSM Bill? There is lots of evidence that it calms pain and inflammation, detoxes and helps joint mobility.

https://draxe.com/nutrition/supplements/msm-supplement/

"6 MSM Supplement Benefits

Commonly used topically on the skin and also taken by mouth, MSM is especially popular as part of an arthritis diet and supplementation plan to treat arthritis pain or osteoarthritis/degenerative joint disease since it helps form connective tissue and repair joints, tendons and ligaments.

Of course, that is just one of many MSM supplement benefits. Methylsulfonylmethane supplementation can do the following:
1. Treats Osteoarthritis and Joint Pain

A well-researched benefit of MSM is that it helps decrease joint inflammation, improves flexibility and restores collagen production. Research shows that many patients with arthritis, joint pain, stiffness, knee/back problems and a limited range of motion experience a reduction in symptoms and improved quality of life when taking an MSM supplement.

MSM supplements are beneficial for helping the body form new joint and muscle tissue while lowering inflammatory responses that contribute to swelling and stiffness. An MSM supplement is a natural and effective anti-inflammatory because of how sulfur impacts the immune system and facilitates normal cellular activity. Sulfur needs to be present for our cells to release many byproducts and excess fluids that can accumulate and cause swelling/tenderness.

A clinical trial testing the effects of MSM on joint pain in 118 patients with osteoarthritis found that compared to a placebo, MSM supplements taken over 12 weeks resulted in more improvements in pain, swelling and joint mobility. MSM supplements were given in 500-milligram doses three times daily along with glucosamine (also taken in 500-milligram doses three times daily). Together they both seem to safely reduce inflammation and pain intensity without causing side effects for the majority of people. (3)

That makes MSM — especially when combined with glucosamine — an excellent natural treatment for arthritis."

Trisher

Where can I get MSM? What is a good brand of MSM?

I get my MSM from BulkPowders. It's very convenient, cheap and good.

[Constance]

Of the 12 aspects that we could cover, I'm going to come from the emotional/mental aspect in the hope that this might be helpful or relevant to someone :heart:

Trapped emotions in the body can lead to physical symptoms. This technique has really worked well for myself/friends/family and all you need is a powerful magnet.:star::star::star:

I have also used The Emotion code in conjunction with a couple of other healing modalities for friends and family because sometimes pinpointing the exact cause of an issue can be challenging.
You may find some of those additional healing modalities here Short powerful techniques for the mind and body. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105935-Short-powerful-techniques-for-the-body-and-mind)

The Emotion Code (https://discoverhealing.com/emotion-code-chart-guide/)

The audio video below will guide you through the entire process using The Emotion Code and offers excellent anecdotal stories of those who have healed themselves.




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The Emotion Code By Dr. Bradley Nelson Audio Book

[Constance]

Hey there everyone :dog:

I used to suffer from all kinds of arthritic-type symptoms in my knees, ankles, fingers, neck, back, feet and wrists - amongst many other things - until I went on an diet that excluded everything except fruit and herbs. You can see the thread I started here, The healing powers of fruit and herbs (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105697-The-healing-powers-of-fruit-and-herbs&p=1269771#post1269771)

I've continued for the most part with experimenting with fruit and herbs. This is where I have been guided to stay for now. I am not pedantic about it all because when I am with friends and family, I share in whatever they are eating (plant-based) - I am still seeing results.

Overall, I am in an excellent state of health and I very rarely, if ever, get a cold or the flu and neither does my son, who has also adopted a similar way of partaking.

I believe that when we are wanting to move into a space of excellent health and wellbeing that we need to be multifaceted in our approach and so once again, I share from the emotional/mental aspect. :heart:

This is the story of Brandon Bays.

She had a tumour the size of a basketball in her uterus. Her doctor, who specialised in integrative medicine told her that no one who had a tumour that size had ever been able to get rid of it via natural means. In six and a half weeks, she was able to divest herself of the tumour completely.

Learn how she did this here (www.thejourney.com) through her website called, The Journey.

She now works with medical doctors and alternative health practitioners around the world. :star::star:


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[Strat]

Have you tried Tiger Balm or an equivalent? Since my health is back in order I've been running a lot and I get occasional joint pain and muscle tightness. I massage around the ligaments with tiger balm which reduces the pain/tightness, then I try basic, repetitive movements from there. It works great but it does take some practice learning where to press, how hard (it's painful at times) and which movements to perform.

Where do you get your tumeric? Thanks in advance.

[Bill Ryan]

Where do you get your tumeric? Thanks in advance.

From the local market here in Ecuador, where ground turmeric is $5/lb. (That's a big bag. :) )

[AutumnW]

Bill, I don't know if this has been mentioned. I haven't read most of the thread. Inflammation is made worse by acidic environment in body. To neutralize acid a teaspoon of baking soda mixed in a glass of water is just the ticket. It's not a cure all, for sure, but it might help take the edge off the soreness, plus it is over all just good for you. It doesn't raise blood pressure, even though it tastes salty.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, I don't know if this has been mentioned. I haven't read most of the thread. Inflammation is made worse by acidic environment in body. To neutralize acid a teaspoon of baking soda mixed in a glass of water is just the ticket. It's not a cure all, for sure, but it might help take the edge off the soreness, plus it is over all just good for you. It doesn't raise blood pressure, even though it tastes salty.

THX — actually, no, not mentioned, though I'm aware of that. But I do have a question for NancyV and others who may know a lot more about the Carnivore Diet than I do.

Doesn't an all-meat or mainly-meat diet increase the acidity substantially?

[Hym]

At this time in the states, organic turmeric powder is a little over $3 something for 6 ounces at the health food store with the initials of NG, with whom I have no affiliation. I have given away these amounts to friends who may benefit from the use of turmeric. All of the feed back of those using turmeric has been very positive. Almost all other turmeric products cost many times this amount.

[NancyV]

Bill, I don't know if this has been mentioned. I haven't read most of the thread. Inflammation is made worse by acidic environment in body. To neutralize acid a teaspoon of baking soda mixed in a glass of water is just the ticket. It's not a cure all, for sure, but it might help take the edge off the soreness, plus it is over all just good for you. It doesn't raise blood pressure, even though it tastes salty.

THX — actually, no, not mentioned, though I'm aware of that. But I do have a question for NancyV and others who may know a lot more about the Carnivore Diet than I do.

Doesn't an all-meat or mainly-meat diet increase the acidity substantially?

I have read detailed results of several doctors and other people who had extensive testing done before and after 30 days to 90 days on a Carnivore diet. Levels of uric acid most often either stayed the same or went down a bit. Problems with acid reflux usually completely disappeared. Often people who experience acid reflux don't have too much acid in their stomachs, but not enough acid...as the stomach is supposed to be more acidic. If it is less acidic foods do not digest as quickly and may sit there and ferment causing acid reflux.

My husband constantly had acid reflux before going on the carnivore diet but now has none. I didn't have many occasions of acid reflux but now I have none unless I am trying a food I haven't eaten for months and it doesn't agree with me, but just eating meat causes me no acid problems at all.

There are definitely a lot of negative articles out there about the carnivore diet but I have found that watching videos from people who have done it for a long time and from doctors who are on the diet, researching it and having success with patients... gives me a more realistic view of the benefits.

By the way, I do give my husband a small half glass of lemonade with a tablespoon of very pure baking soda and organic apple cider vinegar each day. I had read that this was very beneficial for those with kidney failure, which he has, and has even improved kidney problems a significant amount. His kidney doctor is amazed that he is still peeing. Most patients who have been on hemodialysis for almost 2 years, as he has been, either pee very little or not at all. He is constantly peeing. LOL... I do tell the doctor what I'm doing, but I really don't think they want to go outside the "recommended" protocols. I don't follow doctor recommended protocols for the most part but continue researching and experimenting with anything that sounds like it could help. :)

[skyhigh]

Bill, I have bouts with gout arthritis afflicting my right toe sometimes. I also have shoulder and body pains at times and I simply listen to the Pain Control video by Sapien Medicine Youtube channel twice a day (it's just 5 minutes long) and the pain is gone after a day or two. You can use the video as much as one wants to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIB8kwsXUMs

This same channel also has a video for Arthritis treatment. I have not tried this yet but his other videos work well for me and others:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8chh6nX2AE

From my experiences and those of many users of this channel, although this is optional, I also recommend the Clear Subconscious Limiting Beliefs/Negativity video to have stronger, faster positive results with the other videos in this channel and other channels. This video is also highly effective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvtMMLmlTQ0

I don't take maintenance medicine because the videos work for me. Plus, you don't have to cope with side effects of meds. Hope this helps.

[TrueNorth4]

Where do you get your tumeric? Thanks in advance.

From the local market here in Ecuador, where ground turmeric is $5/lb.

Wow. Here in the U.S. it's $16.99 a lb for fresh root.

[petra]

I asked him "Why would I want cortisone???"
He says, "It will help your pain."
I told him that it's been healing for 10 days now, and the pain has lessened and I felt it was already healing, so no thanks. His response was "Suit yourself, then. That's about all I can do. I'll give you a brace to wear." Then he was about out the door when I caught him and asked him "But doc - what happened here?"
He says it's just arthritis, typical of age, and nothing can be done, and the "POP" I heard was just "Bone on Bone" and it will just continue to get worse and I will need a knee replacement. Bye.


WOW!! I'd be disgusted too.
I'm glad to hear you're doing better, Ayt. Should you eventually need a knee replacement, I don't think it's as bad as it sounds. My friend had one due to a roller skating accident, and his replacement knee is doing better than his natural knee.

[AriG]

Bill,

I just started taking the bio-available form of CoQ10 and the results are life changing in a very positive way! I have autoimmune thyroiditis, fibromyalgia and test borderline positive for Lupus. Along with that comes aching joints, muscles, bones, connective tissue and recently, spider veins! Within three days of taking this, my aches and pains are reduced by at least 50% and the spidey veins (not spidey senses) are disappearing!

I also asked my husband to start taking it. He has a torn meniscus (knee cartilage) that had us at an Orthopedic surgeon last month contemplating surgery. He has (had) a lot of swelling and pain. I asked him how his knee was feeling last night and the response I received was "what knee?".

Here's just one of the hundreds of links that can be found about this enzyme (below). In addition to reducing inflammation, it may have promise in lengthening telomeres in DNA as the fat and water soluble form purportedly penetrates the Mitochondria in every cell. So sorry to hear about your pain. I know, its not fun. Not at all. Best Wishes!

https://www.drstevenlin.com/coq10-benefits/

Here's what I am using, fyi https://www.amazon.com/Qunol-Ubiquinol-Absorption-Supplement-Antioxidant/dp/B005CGA9EY?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-exp-b-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B005CGA9EY

[Constance]

Thanks AriG for that great testimonial. :flower:


I just started taking the bio-available form of CoQ10

Nature in all her beauty and wisdom has the perfect remedy for inflammation. No wonder so many of the ancients worshipped the sun. The study within this video blew my mind too. Sunlight and chlorophyll. :sun:



This is the transcript from this 6 minute video.





"How to Regenerate Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) Naturally"

Chlorophyll is the green pigment that makes green leaves green. If one searches for chlorophyll in the medical literature, though, a lot of what you find is about fecal fluorescence, a way to detect the contamination of carcasses with feces in the slaughterhouse to reduce the risk of food poisoning from pathogens harbored within animal feces.

See, fecal matter gets on meat either with knife entry through the hide into the carcass, and also splash back and airborne deposition of fecal matter when they’re peeling off the skin.

But if they’ve been eating grass, you can pick up the poo with a black light.

Here’s a solution of chlorophyll. Under a UV light, though, chlorophyll lights up as red. So if you have a black light in a chicken slaughter plant, you can get a drop on the droppings.

The problem is we don’t let chickens outside anymore. They’re no longer pecking at grass, so there’s less fecal fluorescence.

We could let them run around, but we would save money by just adding a chlorophyll supplement to their feed so we can better identify areas of gut-spill contamination on the meat. The reason I was looking up chlorophyll was to follow-up on the data.

I presented in my Eating Green to Prevent Cancer video, suggesting that chlorophyll may be able to block carcinogens. There were a few in vitro studies I've found in addition to potential anti-inflammatory effects of chlorophyll.

After all, green leaves have long been used to treat inflammation, so anti-inflammatory property of chlorophyll and their break-down products after digestion was put to the test.

And indeed they may represent valuable and abundantly available anti-inflammatory agents. Maybe that’s one reason why cruciferous veggies like kale and collard greens are associated with decreased markers of inflammation.

In a petri dish, for example, if you lay down a layer of arterial lining cells, this is how many inflammatory immune cells stick to them before and after you stimulate them with a toxic substance.
We can bring that inflammation down, though, with the anti-inflammatory drug, aspirin, or even more by just adding some chlorophyll, just dripping some chlorophyll.

Perhaps that’s one of the reasons kale consumers may live longer lives.

This is the study, though, that blew my mind.

Sunlight is the most abundant energy source on this planet.

So far so good.

However only plants are able to use it directly, or so we thought.

After eating plants, animals have chlorophyll in them too, right!

Might we be able to derive energy directly from sunlight?

What?!

First of all, light can’t get through our skin, right?

Wrong, as was demonstrated by century-old science—

and any kid who’s ever shined a flashlight through their fingers,

the red wavelengths do get through.

In fact, if you step outside on a sunny day

there’s enough light going through your skull into your brain, you could read a book in there.

OK, so our internal organs are actually bathed in sunlight, and absorb chlorophyll when we eat green leafy vegetables.

Our body does actually appear to produce cellular energy, but unless we eat so many greens we turn green ourselves, the energy produced is probably negligible.

However, light activated chlorophyll inside our body may help regenerate Coenzyme Q10.

CoQ10 is an antioxidant our body basically makes from scratch using the same enzyme that our body uses to make cholesterol, the same enzyme that’s blocked by cholesterol-lowering statin drugs.

So if CoQ10 production gets caught in the crossfire, then maybe that explains why statins increase our risk of diabetes, by accidentally also reducing CoQ10 levels in this friendly fire event.

Maybe that’s why statins can lead to muscle breakdown.

So should statin users take CoQ10 supplements? No, they should improve their diets sufficient to stop taking drugs that muck with their biochemistry.
And by doing so, by eating more plant-based chlorophyll-rich diets, they may best maintain their levels of active CoQ10, also known as ubiquinol.

However, when ubiquinol is used as an antioxidant, it is oxidized to ubiquinone.
To act as an effective antioxidant again, the body must regenerate ubiquinol from ubiquinone, maybe using dietary chlorophyll metabolites and light.
So they put it to the test.
They exposed some ubiquinone and chlorophyll metabolites to the kind of light that makes it into our bloodstream, and poof, CoQ10 was reborn, but without the chlorophyll, or without the light, nothing happened.
And look we got light, we got chlorophyll if we’re eating our veggies.

Maybe that’s how human beings maintain such high levels of CoQ10 in our bloodstream.

Maybe that explains why dark green leafy veggies are so good for us.

We know sun can be good for us; we know greens can be good for us, but these benefits were commonly attributed to the increase in vitamin D from sunlight exposure and all the antioxidants from green vegetables.

But maybe these explanations might be incomplete."



Nature, Soul, Food. :heart:


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[AriG]

take a peek at this and remember that leafy greens contain high levels of vitamin K- a blood thickener. https://www.superfoodly.com/coq10-foods-the-50-highest-natural-dietary-sources/

[TrueNorth4]

I just started taking the bio-available form of CoQ10 and the results are life changing in a very positive way!
I tried that after watching an infomerchial on it because I was inpressed with the information.
However, I did not see any results for myself. I feel it didnt make anything worse or better (shrug) but good luck. I have been giving my dog Glucosamine with MSM under vet supervision and I take it myself. I did see a video on youtube by a personal trainer stating that we create our own water and drinking to much can cause inflamation and pain as well. MSM is pretty impressive as a whole as well.

https://youtu.be/VUsRld1K8Eo

[TrueNorth4]

I simply listen to the Pain Control video by Sapien Medicine Youtube channel
I tried those this morning and I found them very helpful as well. Im going to also use them when heading to sleep too. Thank you for the links:bigsmile:

[spade]

I get sore creaky knees after my short jogging sessions. Solved immediately (few hours) after ox-tail soup / bone broth. As simple as that...

[TrueNorth4]

https://securessl.naturalhealthreports.net/products/136/sp-fight-inflammation

[Bill Ryan]

https://securessl.naturalhealthreports.net/products/136/sp-fight-inflammation

Well, I watched this irritating promotional video. To save anyone the trouble (there's no way to go back, or jump forward), here's the summary:

10 best foods to combat joint pain:


Broccoli
Olive oli
Blueberries
Fish
Nuts
Tart cherries
Kelp
Fermented foods (kefir, sauerkraut, etc)
Papaya
Green tea

5 worst foods:


Any member of the white bread family
French fries and other processed fast food (which contain trans fats)
Blackened and barbecued foods cooked at high temperatures
Nightshade vegetable (potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, peppers)
Sugar

It discusses these natural anti-inflammatories, all containing proteolytic enzymes


Bromelain
Turmeric
Papain
Devil's Claw
Boswellia extract
Ginger
Rutin
Citrus bioflavanoids
Mojave yucca root

And finally, promotes a supplement called Heal-n-Soothe, which contains all these.

http://projectavalon.net/Heal-n-Soothe_ingredients_screenshot.jpg

caveat: I have nothing to do with this promotion (and I hope new member TrueNorth4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45421-TrueNorth4) doesn't, either!). But it's possible some of this might be useful.

[Bill Ryan]

Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

In my opening post above, I promised a report after a major stress-test mountain hike. The weather has been poor, so I actually did that yesterday. It was a spectacular success.

The story was that I'd pulled up short with sharp pains in my knees — walking my dog, just 400 yds from the house!) twice in the preceding week. That's when I said to myself: Okay, I need to fix this.

So I eliminated eggs, all dairy, all grains, and all sugars, and started taking a ton of turmeric — and also (after the info kindly posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107978-Joints-inflammation-and-all-that-stuff&p=1305426&viewfull=1#post1305426): thank you!) spirulina.

From having pains in my knees just walking locally on the level, after just two weeks I did a 6 hour arduous hike climbing 2,500 ft to a high rocky ridge, at the end of which there was a brutal 1,800 feet descent down a steep slope. (Not the best for knees!) It was quite a day.

Not only did I have not a twinge of discomfort, after driving home two hours later I didn't even feel any soreness or stiffness. It was barely believable.

So I'm posting this as an encouragement to others: this kind of thing can be handled. My situation was very mild compared with the problems of others, but I caught it early, and seem to have done all the right things.... anyone reading this can do that too.

:happy dog:

[Rosemarie]

Bill, how much is a ton of turmeric ? How much each Day ? And spirulina ?

[DeeMetrios]

great thread here people .... I'm following it regularly .

I do take COQ10 regularly & a few others mentioned above .

Anyway , I best pop this link in here also .

Cheers
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Sapien Medicine

Premiered May 29, 2019

The works toward trying to regenerate all joints in your body, using the fat to stem cell idea, the converted stem cells will be moved to all joint areas to provide regeneration of cartilage and bone, connective tissue and tendons etc.
Use as much as you need, results of course should be permanent.
It is designed to work on all joints.

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[TrueNorth4]

https://securessl.naturalhealthreports.net/products/136/sp-fight-inflammation

Well, I watched this irritating promotional video. To save anyone the trouble (there's no way to go back, or jump forward), here's the summary:

10 best foods to combat joint pain:


Broccoli
Olive oli
Blueberries
Fish
Nuts
Tart cherries
Kelp
Fermented foods (kefir, sauerkraut, etc)
Papaya
Green tea

5 worst foods:


Any member of the white bread family
French fries and other processed fast food (which contain trans fats)
Blackened and barbecued foods cooked at high temperatures
Nightshade vegetable (potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, peppers)
Sugar

It discusses these natural anti-inflammatories, all containing proteolytic enzymes


Bromelain
Turmeric
Papain
Devil's Claw
Boswellia extract
Ginger
Rutin
Citrus bioflavanoids
Mojave yucca root

And finally, promotes a supplement called Heal-n-Soothe, which contains all these.

http://projectavalon.net/Heal-n-Soothe_ingredients_screenshot.jpg

caveat: I have nothing to do with this promotion (and I hope new member TrueNorth4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45421-TrueNorth4) doesn't, either!). But it's possible some of this might be useful.

Yes, I'm sorry. Felt the same way. However, If one scrolls down last the vid you can view the lists in text instead. Discovered this after I watched it ...😳😵😉



caveat: I have nothing to do with this promotion (and I hope new member TrueNorth4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45421-TrueNorth4) doesn't, either!).

Nope not at all. Thank you

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, how much is a ton of turmeric ? How much each Day ? And spirulina ?

It's impossible to overdose on turmeric, and I'm sure you can get it very cheaply in Guayaquil! I take something like 2-3 heaped tablespoons a day. (That's quite a lot.)

Spirulina, a measured 10 grams (2.5 level teaspoons, but I have a little 10 gram plastic measuring thing). I'd take more if I had a ready supply. :)

[Constance]

Bill, how much is a ton of turmeric ? How much each Day ? And spirulina ?

It's impossible to overdose on turmeric, and I'm sure you can get it very cheaply in Guayaquil! I take something like 2-3 heaped tablespoons a day. (That's quite a lot.)

Spirulina, a measured 10 grams (2.5 level teaspoons, but I have a little 10 gram plastic measuring thing). I'd take more if I had a ready supply. :)

Here is a way of making the turmeric more palatable. You could make a huge batch of it and put it in a thermos, ready to sip all day :)

RECIPE for 2 servings
- 2 cups of unsweetened almond milk
- 1/4 tsp vanilla
- 1 tsp turmeric
- 1 tsp dried ginger or chopped fresh ginger
- 1/4 tsp of black pepper
- 1 tsp cinnamon
- 1 tbsp raw honey or maple syrup
- 1 tbsp coconut oil

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[lightwalker]

I have been using this site for years. It advocates vinegar for what ever ails you among other home remedies.
I do a "nutribullet" with everything in it about 5 days out of the week. And my form of exercise is pickleball 4 days a week. Good thread.


https://earthclinic.com/


lightwalker

[Ti]

Note for any kitchen experimenters. The black pepper is a necessity when making "golden milk" or really anything with turmeric. It's easy to mess around with the recipe though, mine comes out far different than my housemate's! I find it exceptionally good with a coconut milk base, there really is a wide range of possibility to experiment here with milky type liquids and spices. Anyway, the black pepper is necessary because it increases the bio-availability of the turmeric. It's also easy to eat in say, curry, and in that case, adding cayenne pepper as well would increase the anti-inflammatory benefits. Curries are definitely another great way to sneak in anti-inflammatory spices, if you blend your own instead of buying a premixed "curry powder".

Because you're using a fatty substance like coconut oil in golden milk, it's also possible to bond THC/CBD oil and get the increased benefits of sneaking in the hemp product with less of the flavor. A "drinkable".

For any curious to how my recipe deviates, I usually push mine in a firmly wintery direction, adding in cinnamon, nutmeg, cloves, ginger, allspice, a teeny splash of rum. I suppose you could call it pumpkin spice but I've never bought them preblended, I prefer to have control over the ratios. I'm not sure that this helps the medicinal value, but it does make for a tasty warm beverage that can tuck away a lot of turmeric and sooth the stomach, relax the soul. If you haven't tried tossing in a couple cloves and some nutmeg, give it a go sometime for a twist on a fine healing beverage. My housemate's is even more stark than the one posted just above, as hers does not include cinnamon, just a hefty amount of ginger (a thick pile grated from a frozen knob, not powdered) and black pepper, maybe a clove. It comes out dazzlingly yellow, without the skin of unbonded cinnamon on top.

One thing I've not found is an ideal method of straining. Coconut milk does give a thicker result too. It clogs up everything, the tea strainer, the big strainer, and is brutal to cheesecloth. The cloves are especially dangerous to cheesecloth and you should try to pull them out with a spoon if you use cloth to strain, which does give a more filtered result without any bits of powdery spice that might not have bonded to the fat so I do recommend it even though it's a mess just because it tempers the drinking process.

[Bill Ryan]

Note for any kitchen experimenters. The black pepper is a necessity when making "golden milk" or really anything with turmeric.

Yes. I put about 1/4 inch of sesame oil (or any good oil) in the bottom of a cup and add a couple of heaped teaspoons of turmeric. Then a ton of black pepper on all that.

No matter how much pepper is added, it just can't be tasted. The result is a brown liquidy paste that's surprisingly easy and not at all unpleasant to consume with a spoon. It only takes a minute.

[TrueNorth4]

I just wanted to share my experence here since joining this thread. I am so taken back by it I was excited to share it to be honest.

I have had shoulder pain (inflammation) for a few weeks and I stumbled across this forum and this thread after becoming a member here. I study food and health as a hobby so i'm up on whats old and new. I am also not resistant to being my own volunteer for experiments. I have been doing alot of fermentation type experenments one being lemons and honey. I was drinking my green tea with it. I also invented a dish called Eggplant lasagna which involves deep frying and I used seseam oil. Upon reading the typical posts on turimic (as I use that as well) my pain was increasing. It became so bad sunday It hurt to lift my waterbottle to my mouth. I was taking a med for an unrelated issue and found out this was my whole problem due to side effects.
However,
I also work out to a wide range of very diverse work out programs with and without weights on my days off so im very active 7 days a week. Lifting is my job for 36 hours a week non stop on a production line anywhere from 1 ounce to 100lbs all day. stacking and lifting above my head is constant. So I thought, THE PAIN IS DUE TO REPITITION! wrong! Its due to the med... but heres the thing. I had just made a whole pan of lasangna (Eggplant) and against just finding out after I made it it was the worst of a few foods to eat for inflammation but I took it to work anyway Sunday. The pain increased 10 fold as above and I thougth wow its true and I wont be eating that again (hello freezer) but at break I also had brought my lemon and honey mix with my tea and drank it. Almost within 20 min's I was feeling 100 % better. I made a batch of "real" lemon aid with stevia and added the pulp. Monday after not getting a great night sleep i went to work and brought about 16oz's of lemon aid with me and drank it all morning as well as my lemon honey for breaks.

On Sunday I took over 11 ibuprofen and it would not go away till my cup of tea on last break.
on Monday I took two before work just to be on safe side and had no pain all day after consuming the lemon aid. It was as effective as the normal use of ibuprofen normally works (within a few minutes and releaves the pain)...
I did not need to take anything the rest of the day and my pain subsided after 4 to 5 minutes in the morning, I worked 12 and 1/2 hour day with no issues at all ... Im just amazed and will continue with this regiment till its gone.

[TrueNorth4]

I found I could take anything with the addition of fresh lemon juice and it still always works to hide things I would rather not taste

I have a 850 wt blender and I dont even peel anything, including pomogranets or lemons, I throw in for smothies... I had the same issue till I added a whole lemon. It somehow removes any nasty taste left from bitterness.

[Constance]

I found I could take anything with the addition of fresh lemon juice and it still always works to hide things I would rather not taste

I have a 850 wt blender and I dont even peel anything, including pomogranets or lemons, I throw in for smothies... I had the same issue till I added a whole lemon. It somehow removes any nasty taste left from bitterness.

That is really handy to know TrueNorth4. I'm now going to do the same thing. I had been peeling all my pomegranates up until now! :flower:

Thank you, very grateful that you shared.



Studies on the anti-inflammatory benefits of pomegranates.:sun:

Natural pomegranate juice reduces inflammation, muscle damage and increase platelets blood levels in active healthy Tunisian aged men (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090506816301968)

Pomegranate juice reduces damage to tissues, inflammation and infections, study suggests (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101119083126.htm)

Pomegranate peel and fruit extracts: A review of potential anti-inflammatory and anti-infective effects (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229436263_Pomegranate_peel_and_fruit_extracts_A_review_of_potential_anti-inflammatory_and_anti-infective_effects)

A Review on the Anti-Inflammatory Activity of Pomegranate in the Gastrointestinal Tract (https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2013/247145/)

Pomegranate peel polyphenols inhibits inflammation in LPS-induced RAW264.7 macrophages via the suppression of TLR4/NF-κB pathway activation (https://foodandnutritionresearch.net/index.php/fnr/article/view/3392)

Could pomegranates offer the key to new IBD treatments? (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324164.php)

“Pomegranate works against chronic inflammation” (https://www.freshplaza.com/article/9046200/pomegranate-works-against-chronic-inflammation/)

Could Pomegranate Juice Help in the Control of Inflammatory Diseases? (https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/9/9/958)

Here is a great resource:

http://www.wonderfulpomegranateresearch.com/studies (http://www.wonderfulpomegranateresearch.com/studies.html)

The studies cover:


Antioxidants & Bioavailability

Athletic Performance

Cardiovascular

Cognition & Memory

Gut Health - eg. inflammation

Men's Health

Nitric Oxide

Skin & UV Studies

Women's Health

Women's Health: Pregnancy
:star:

[Star Tsar]

Nothing to do with health or inflamation but I love Pommegranit & This is interesting.

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[skyhigh]

I simply listen to the Pain Control video by Sapien Medicine Youtube channel
I tried those this morning and I found them very helpful as well. Im going to also use them when heading to sleep too. Thank you for the links:bigsmile:

Thanks for your feedback. It's good to know that some members are trying out these videos. I'd like to add that several of the videos in the Sapien Med channel, as I have experienced, will give the user permanent results after listening twice daily for at least three months or more.

[TrueNorth4]

Oh your welcome. I have tried several of them! I really like that particular site.

[TrueNorth4]

Thank you, very grateful that you shared.

Studies on the anti-inflammatory benefits of pomegranates. :sun:

Here is a great resource:

http://wonderfulpomegranateresearch.com/studies.html

Awesome sites and info as well, TY :thumbsup:
I'm going to review them ...

[avatar]

Before going to bed medical tape a small (watch size) magnet on the indentations either side of the kneecap.
These are meridian lines and you will feel better in the am. Learned from chiropractor.

[Constance]

Arachadonic acid and inflammation

Brooke Goldner, MD

Diagnosis
Systemic lupus erythematosus, Stage 4 kidney failure, stroke

Prognosis
Six months to live, risk of death if pregnant, major stroke

When Brooke Goldner was 16, she experienced stage 4 kidney failure, due to a serious case of lupus. Initially told she had six months to live, Brooke defied all odds by staying alive with the help of intense chemotherapy, and upon completion, was able to wean herself off all medications. But her struggle was far from over.

When she entered medical school in her twenties, Brooke developed anti-phospholipid antibodies-a painful malady that causes blood clots, which in turn gave her double vision and even resulted in a stroke. She dealt with this new diagnosis by injecting her stomach with blood thinners every day. She was told that she would never be able to bear children.

When all seemed lost, Brooke became romantically involved with her now husband Thomas Tadlock, who encouraged her to stop consuming cheese and eggs (she was a long-time vegetarian by that point). Trading in her animal products for a high-raw diet rich in fresh vegetables, after four months, Brooke no longer suffered from joint pain, migraines, fatigue, and more shockingly, her lupus and blood clot-inducing antibodies disappeared too.
After two years of perfect lab results, she weaned herself off blood thinners, and four years later-even though she was still warned against it-Brooke became pregnant and gave birth to a baby boy. Now healthy as ever at 40, Brooke has dedicated her career as a medical doctor to advocating for disease prevention and treatment by way of fruit and vegetables.

Transcript to video
Why Bone Broth & Eggs are More Likely to Kill You than to Heal You




"Hey guys, listen, I get it. It is really hard to get good information out there and I know there are so many of you who are searching for the right information about how to reverse disease in yourself. Whether you have autoimmune disease, or you have cancer, or you have heart disease and there is just so much bad information out there.

I just saw another client who was doing bone broth and putting egg yolks in their green smoothie because they were told by people who do the Gaps diet that they have to have that stuff in order to heal.

And, what happened, she got worse, she got worse and that's what's happening. I have all these people showing up to me who are either paleo or on Gaps diet or all these things where they're eating animal products, being told that that's going to reverse their disease.

Well let me set this straight for you guys and I'm going to show you some science in a moment about why that is completely backwards okay?

Just because there are some people who feel a little better when they go on those diets, doesn't mean everything in the diet was helping them.

That's like saying that someone who smokes who didn't get cancer, it's because they smoked, No! It's because of other things, other factors going on - the smoking didn't help. They probably would have been better off without it. So what you really need to look at is the actual science okay?

So this person I was talking to, she's trying so hard to heal and she's looking up and researching and she's getting the wrong information.

And so she asked me how do I know that you have the right information? I was like, "because I have science on my side."

So I'm going to show you something that I showed her that I actually use when I teach doctors and hospitals about how to create a true anti-inflammatory diet. And, it'll put an end to this idea that there's any possible way that eating eggs and egg yolks and meat or bone broth is doing anything but making you worse okay?

So I hope you guys are ready and I'm sorry I'm pumped up but I can't stand this because there's millions of people out there who are suffering right now and they're getting fed, literally fed the wrong information okay?

[...] Alright. Now don't be scared of the science here.

I'm going to show you this is something called the omega six pathway okay? So, every time you eat oils besides olive oil; processed foods, chicken, eggs, beef, fish, duck, any animal product, you are supplying arachidonic acid to your body okay?

What does that do?

Arachadonic acid, when you've got this in your body, it accelerates the conversion of these products okay? So it increases the activity of an enzyme called 5-LOX, increases the activity of COX 1, it increases the activity of COX 2.

I'll tell you why that matters in a second. When it does that it also increases the activity of LTB-4, TXA-2 and PGA-2. Alright, here's what that means in plain English. When you have too much 5-LOX for example, because you've had too much arachadonic acid from eggs and meat, you have more cancer growth, more cancer invasion, more cancer metastasis all right?

Which means you have more chronic inflammation, you've got more destruction of healthy tissue, more arthritis, edema, asthma, heart attacks, pain, inflammatory bowel disease, there's more, but I ran out of room on the screen okay guys? When you have too much COX-1, you make blood clots and you have heart attacks and strokes. When you have too much COX-2, you have more blood supply to cancer cells which makes cancer grow more, and you've got more cancer, chronic inflammation, pain, irritable bowel, inflammatory bowel disease okay? Let me show this to you in another way.

This is what happens when you eat animal products okay? Let me show you in another way.

This my friends, is the Omega 6 pathway and the Omega three pathway okay? The one on the left, this is the pathway that happens when you eat vegetable oils, land animals, fats and processed foods, meat, eggs and seafood okay? They all create arachidonic acid which I just showed you which creates inflammation disease okay? This pathway on the right, flax and chia seeds which leads to ALA, which leads down to EPA/DHA which creates an anti-inflammatory pathway. Now you might have been told, "Oh, you can't convert flax and chia seeds into omega -3's." You want to know why?

Here's some more really good science guys. These guys use the same enzyme and guess what? This enzyme prefers that pathway, so if you're eating flax and chia seeds but you're also eating land animals, processed foods and vegetable oils, you're going to preferentially create more inflammation and you're not going to convert your LA. But! If you eliminate this stuff, BOOM! The enzyme preferentially just converts into a nice, beautiful anti-inflammatory pathway.

This is how I hack into people's immune systems and get them the most rapid healing that anyone on the planet has ever seen. This is real science people okay? So, if you eliminate the inflammatory foods okay? If you eliminate the vegetable oils, the land animals; I don't care if they're factory farmed or if they're grazing out some somewhere, same same process alright?

You eliminate the meat and eggs and seafood; you will stop creating all this inflammation okay? And here's the cool thing, when you create EPA and DHA, it blocks the conversion of arachidonic acid into more inflammation! This is the most beautiful science here, and literally when I teach this to doctors, I can hear their pens and their jaws hit the floor because the only thing we're ever taught in medical school, is how to use drugs to stop this but not the fact that you can just stop eating the foods that fuel it okay?

So if anybody, IF anybody tells you that you need to eat meat or eggs to heal yourself from autoimmune disease, I want you to run the other way, because they have NO idea what they're talking about.

All right guys, so listen, I'm telling you, if someone says eat eggs, or butter or animal products and you will heal autoimmune disease, run! Run the other way, they don't understand what they're talking about, they don't understand the science of what they're doing.

Now I'm sorry I'm so pumped up guys I just, you know, I've dedicated my life and my practice to helping people heal. There are millions of people out there right now suffering from lupus and rheumatoid arthritis with scleroderma and Sjogren's and heart disease and cancer and some of them are actively searching on how to use food to naturally heal and they are being told the wrong thing and that is their life okay?
I love you guys, I want you guys to live amazing blissful healthy lives. I hope that helps you dispel some of the questions you have, or some of the doubts you have over whether or not plant-based eating is the way to live and the way to heal. I promise you if you follow what I teach you, you will live a healthier happier life and that's all I want for you guys. I love you guys, I hope that helps."

LFGVwy6cMWc
Why Bone Broth & Eggs are More Likely to Kill You than to Heal You

[IChingUChing]

In winter I kept having days where I couldn't walk due to massive pain. I damaged my legs in motorbike accidents as a teenager and they took cartledge out from the side of my knee. Since then all the cartledge in that knee has worn away which was shown on an MRI and x ray in February. Basically I have been walking with bone on bone. Doctors said I need a knee replacement but at 49 that is not really an option.
I've been taking MSM since that terrible pain in winter and have had no more such problems. I walk over an hour each day with my dog on hilly tracks. We are truly amazed at how MSM helped me and I can only recommend looking at it if you have joint pains.

[Bill Ryan]

We are truly amazed at how MSM helped me and I can only recommend looking at it if you have joint pains.

Great story, wonderful to hear, and very well done — how much do you take??

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,
If you are familiar with Nexus Magazine, then you can look up their article "The Borax Conspiracy" as I don't think I can copy the pdf file here. The element boron has been eliminated from our diets just so we can get arthritic sooner, rather than later. Boron is readily available in the cleaning agent sold in American supermarkets under the name "Borax". I have been ingesting it as a supplement for 20 years and it nipped my arthritic knees and hands in the bud.

See this thread:


The Borax Conspiracy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63939-The-Borax-Conspiracy)

The original Borax Conspiracy article (very interesting, too) is posted in full in post #23, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63939-The-Borax-Conspiracy&p=1308737&viewfull=1#post1308737).

[IChingUChing]

We are truly amazed at how MSM helped me and I can only recommend looking at it if you have joint pains.

Great story, wonderful to hear, and very well done — how much do you take??

Hi Bill,

I have Holland & Barrett MSM 750mg Coated Caplets and I just take 2 in the morning.

On the package it says take one to four daily preferably with meals.

When I ran out a few months a go, my wife mistakenly bought another product for joints in a similar package to the MSM (but wasn't MSM) and some knee pain returned while using that one. When subsequently back on the MSM the pain was gone again. I'm over the moon and long may it last! Don't really fancy a knee replacement yet.

[Star Tsar]

Next week I hope to have an MRI for my spine which has been sappin my strength, energy & joy for the past four years.

May I ask what MSM is?

[Bill Ryan]

Next week I hope to have an MRI for my spine which has been sappin my strength, energy & joy for the past four years.

May I ask what MSM is?


https://healthline.com/nutrition/msm-supplements

8 Science-Backed Benefits of MSM Supplements

Methylsulfonylmethane, more commonly known as MSM, is a popular dietary supplement used to treat a wide array of symptoms and conditions.

It’s a sulfur-containing compound found naturally in plants, animals and humans. It can also be produced in a lab to create dietary supplements in powder or capsule form.

MSM is widely used in the alternative medicine field and by people looking for a natural way to relieve joint pain, reduce inflammation and boost immunity.

In addition, research supports its use in treating a number of conditions from arthritis to rosacea.

(long and detailed article continues (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/msm-supplements))

[ichingcarpenter]

I had a large thread on the benifits of MSM a while back, the stuff works. When I was in my late thirties I ask the doctor about the cracking of my hip, he said when I get to be in my 60s I might need a hip replacement. In my late 40s I fell through the ice in a beaver pod snowshoeing with some friends, I was OK but when I got home for the next week my hip was killing me even after taking hot baths,electric heating pads etc. Now I'm in my 60s and walking more than 2k the hip starts to hurt. I am taking MSM but have a good pain killer which is better than any over the counter medicine. Its topical lotion 1000mg of active cannabidol non THC. I can now go 3k without the hip hurting. I don't want a hip replacement if I can help it.

I have a friend that got an attack of gout, he swears by it helping with the pain and swelling. Calls it a miracle after trying almost everything.
It sucks getting older but its part of the deal with the body..

[Deux Corbeaux]

I had a large thread on the benifits of MSM a while back, the stuff works.

Can you give me a link to that tread, please.

Thank you . 👍🏼

[Bill Ryan]

I had a large thread on the benifits of MSM a while back, the stuff works.

Can you give me a link to that tread, please.

Thank you. 👍🏼

Here: :thumbsup:


For those with eye floaters that are getting worse: I swear by this health supplement (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104001-For-those-with-eye-floaters-that-are-getting-worse-I-swear-by-this-health-supplement)

[Deux Corbeaux]

I had a large thread on the benifits of MSM a while back, the stuff works.

Can you give me a link to that tread, please.

Thank you. 👍🏼

Here: :thumbsup:


For those with eye floaters that are getting worse: I swear by this health supplement (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104001-For-those-with-eye-floaters-that-are-getting-worse-I-swear-by-this-health-supplement)


Thanks. I couldn’t find the thread anymore, I think because MSM was not in the title.
Funny thing is I even posted on it.
I’m getting old.....:o

[TrueNorth4]

MSM is widely used in the alternative medicine field and by people looking for a natural way to relieve joint pain, reduce inflammation and boost immunity.

In addition, research supports its use in treating a number of conditions from arthritis

I started giving my dog this MSM in Glycloseame. Vet said its very good. I saw a change in her with in 3 days when I started her on it. She is almost 14 yrs old and has 15 lead pellets in the same area as the sevier arthritis on her back end. ( she was shot and left untreated b4 I adopted her :happy dog::heart::blackwidow:, now they can't take them out!). She is doing great, she really is a changed personality 4 the better. Also started her on bone broth Jello I make.
Collagen peptides is also a very good supplement for healthy joint, bone health.

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[Loven Liven]

I use it in fruit smoothies

[Star Tsar]

Dr Bergman is highly informative & funny

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[Durga ma]

Glucosamine for pain and joint care, Tumeric , and also Hemp Seed oil for immunity inflammation , gut health etc full of fatty acids (Omega's ).

[sms]

Hi Bill,

when I have some health issues, I usually treat it with several things, at once, so I can not point to what exactly helped most. Last year, after kneeling on the roof while installing solar panels, my knee swell up and MRI showed quite a bad tear of the cartilage. To see a specialist I had to wait for a couple of weeks, and knowing that the surgery would be his only answer, I started treating my knee with poultices which I made from beef jelly (usually found in the shop where the cake icinga are stored; 1 small spoon in 1dl of water and adding a bit of DMSO to facilitate absorption; applied on the knee, put a gauze over it and a bandage) and Epsom salt gel (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PAIN-RELIEF-EPSOM-SALT-RUB-ALOE-VERA-GEL-PROCURE-177-ML-FRAGRANCE-FREE-NO-BATH/123581046098?epid=13005015627&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item1cc6011d52:m:m2h_0nho8SYMmlE522bZV4A&enc=AQAEAAAB4BPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qXCj31DZZXx3WXu18NO7eqPYBpIFfbNZHXOQgOVn4lMQJ4%2Fx3CA7bTR6WkcNov4 o72DF60W3FWUK%2Fn65Pa5Lbx0SAsqmeL7In89JIV5J17gY75HqGxbYFaGsByXctxcuUaxKjwLnZeJXVqo%2FMpd9VYy1DvdzExZ 7E0PabIuwPdvPsicrcl2ATMxMNXTvSa7AuiGOSZVeavNW3V0vn5tluQ9sE%2FZFNURzuYprfucUOxa04ug%2F1twanlkaPDKrnPA UGSW4GpFw1nr9SqZejCfJWPhzGYHYSCIN1d4ktN2%2Fglac%2FURbzwpiG2D40Rs5q8aevwoUlNHttuSjXjREA333BOAxNtPu54O JL%2B%2FufT438c%2BiOrHT5CXd8yiOPDO%2FLraHnEVeZntPj7i%2F8yXQ7rU9QreSRDxlHpXqqj4EdVul7DjxfrI4gn6Ixe5%2 F%2BeNobhiZmsH7OoyePrhgghbXU%2BbMD2f8rX6XXYAFmxXQPFhyQ0FzD%2F7kKdo8bGeORgk53%2BIAgOdWQczSnYzZWKLdS2a npggYIpC420SWKZ83MfrW7zVmPqcV0qcc0mKKwn%2BCbqhnsOSnYqYCI%2FqrCR0pZ5bnQygJRZe8iHD%2F3ZbnIHcTWFKSg%3D% 3D&checksum=123581046098e6e06b63570a4ae393ba0279e20a2672&frcectupt=true) (magnesium sulfate), which I rubbed in, separately. I was also taking some of the jelly by mouth each morning (beef jelly contains all necessary ingredients for the cartilage repair.) Beside that, I used Borax, Zink and some other vitamins and minerals as a supportive therapy.

Short and good, I fixed the knee before I got the appointment with the specialist. Chronic conditions may need a bit more time but the principle would be the same. Actually, I was quite surprised by the Epsom salt gel, (Epsom salt baths are another option, but the gel is more practical) as it was working miraculously in my case, reducing the pain in the joint and muscles, eliminating cramps and even the low back pain!?

The problem is that there are no two people with exactly the same condition, the same mineral or nutrient status of the body... etc., so the same staff may not work for everybody in the same manner.




Mod note from Bill: copied from The Borax Conspiracy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63939-The-Borax-Conspiracy&p=1309573&viewfull=1#post1309573) thread, where this was first posted. It also very much belongs here.

:thumbsup:

[Bill Ryan]

A new article from Dr Mercola.


https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/09/02/anti-inflammatory-foods.aspx

Top anti-inflammatory foods and supplements

Story at-a-glance


Chronic inflammation is a hallmark of virtually all disease, including cancer, obesity and heart disease. Your diet plays a significant if not primary role as it can either trigger or prevent inflammation
Leafy greens, berries and mushrooms are potent anti-inflammatory foods. People with autoimmune diseases may want to limit vegetables high in lectins, though, as they may cause more problems than they solve
Traditionally fermented and cultured foods are anti-inflammatory staples that work their “magic” by optimizing your gut flora. Examples include kefir, yogurt, natto, kimchee, miso, tempeh, pickles, sauerkraut, olives and other fermented vegetables
Marine-based omega-3 fats found in fatty cold-water fish that are low in environmental toxins are important anti-inflammatories that are particularly crucial for brain and heart health
Other anti-inflammatory foods and supplements include green tea, spices such as cloves, ginger, rosemary and turmeric, herbal remedies such as white willow bark, maritime pine bark and Cat’s claw, and supplements such as resveratrol, curcumin, capsaicin, vitamin D, zinc and SAM-e

Chronic inflammation is a hallmark of virtually all disease, including cancer, obesity and heart disease. While inflammation is a perfectly normal and beneficial process that occurs when your body's white blood cells and chemicals protect you from foreign invaders like bacteria and viruses, it leads to trouble when the inflammatory response gets out of hand and continues indefinitely.

Your diet plays a significant if not primary role in this chain of events and is the perfect place to start to address it. Certain nutritional supplements can also be helpful as add-ons.

Below, I’ll review some of the foods, spices and supplements known for their anti-inflammatory power (and the foods known for their inflammatory effects). If you struggle with any chronic health condition, chances are you have inflammation in your body, and would be wise to take a cold hard look at what you’re putting into it.

Anti-inflammatory food basics

A key part of an anti-inflammatory diet involves excluding refined vegetable oils, as they are clearly one of the most pernicious and pervasive poisons in the food supply. Simply avoiding all processed foods and most restaurant foods will go a long way toward helping you avoid them.

As for anti-inflammatory foods to eat more of, vegetables are a key staple. Dark leafy greens such as kale, collard greens and Swiss chard contain powerful antioxidants, flavonoids, carotenoids and vitamin C that can help protect against cellular damage. Ideally, opt for organic locally grown veggies that are in season, and consider eating a fair amount of them raw.

Juicing (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/03/20/17-superfoods-cost-saving-nutrition-boosting-tips.aspx) is an excellent way to get more greens into your diet. There’s a caveat, though. If you struggle with autoimmune disease or have significant inflammation in your body, consider limiting vegetables with high lectin content, as the lectins may pose a problem (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/08/14/reduce-lectins-in-your-diet.aspx).

Among the most problematic lectin-containing foods are beans, grains, legumes and members of the nightshade family like eggplants, potatoes and peppers. High-lectin foods can be made safer to eat through proper soaking and cooking, as well as fermenting and sprouting. Using a pressure cooker is particularly beneficial for beans. You can learn more about this in my interview with Dr. Steven Gundry (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/01/07/limit-lectins.aspx), author of “The Plant Paradox.”

Oxalates are another plant component that can cause problems, as they not only will increase inflammation but will worsen your mitochondrial function. Those prone to oxalate kidney stones (https://articles.mercola.com/kidney-stones/diet.aspx) typically need to be on an oxalate-free diet as well. Foods high in oxalates include potatoes (white and sweet), almonds, seeds, dark chocolate (https://www.mercola.com/infographics/dark-chocolate-benefits.htm), beets (https://foodfacts.mercola.com/beets.html), beans and many others.

On the other hand, raw berries — especially blueberries — are an anti-inflammatory basic, as most tend to be low in fructose while rating high in antioxidant capacity compared to other fruits and vegetables.

The same goes for mushrooms, which are commonly overlooked. Shiitake mushrooms (https://foodfacts.mercola.com/shiitake-mushrooms.html), for example, contain ergothioniene, which inhibits oxidative stress. Mushrooms also contain a number of unique nutrients that you may not get enough of in your diet.

One of those nutrients is copper, which is one of the few metallic elements accompanied by amino and fatty acids that are essential to human health. Since your body can't synthesize copper, your diet must supply it regularly. Copper deficiency can be a factor in the development of coronary heart disease.

Another excellent anti-inflammatory mushroom is the Reishi (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/07/29/reishi-mushrooms-fight-inflammation.aspx), which contains ganoderic acid, a terpene that induces apoptosis (programmed cell death of damaged cells) and enhances the immune system.

Fermented and cultured foods

Traditionally fermented and cultured foods are other anti-inflammatory staples that work their “magic” by optimizing your gut flora. A majority of inflammatory diseases start in your gut as the result of an imbalanced microbiome.

Fermented foods such as kefir, natto, kimchee, miso, tempeh, pickles, sauerkraut, olives and other fermented vegetables will help reseed your gut with beneficial bacteria. Ideally, you’ll want to eat a wide variety of them as each contains a different set of beneficial bacteria (probiotics).

Fermented foods can also help your body rid itself of harmful toxins. Kimchi, for example, has been shown to break down pesticides that promote inflammation. As reported in a study in the Journal of Agricultural Food Chemistry, the organophosphate insecticide chlorpyrifos degraded rapidly during kimchi fermentation and was 83.3% degraded by Day 3. By Day 9, it was degraded completely.

If you don’t like fermented vegetables, consider yogurt (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/05/28/yogurt-for-inflammation.aspx) made from raw organic milk from grass fed cows. Yogurt has been shown to reduce inflammation by improving the integrity of your intestinal lining, thereby preventing toxins in your gut from crossing into your bloodstream.

Other potent anti-inflammatory foods

Marine-based omega-3 fats found in fatty cold-water fish that are low in environmental toxins — such as wild Alaskan salmon (https://foodfacts.mercola.com/wild-alaskan-salmon.html), sardines (https://foodfacts.mercola.com/sardines.html) and anchovies — are also important anti-inflammatories and are particularly important for brain and heart health. In fact, your omega-3 level is a powerful predictor of mortality (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/04/02/omega-3-level-mortality-predictor.aspx).

If you don’t enjoy these types of fish, you could consider using krill oil instead. Research published in the Scandinavian Journal of Gastroenterology in 2012 confirmed that dietary supplementation with krill oil effectively reduced inflammation and oxidative stress.

As with vitamin D, it’s advisable to check your omega-3 index on a regular basis to ensure optimization. Ideally, you’ll want to maintain an omega-3 index of 8%. (GrassrootsHealth offers a convenient, cost-effective test to measure both your vitamin D and omega-3 levels.)

Many teas also offer anti-inflammatory benefits that can be enjoyed by most. Matcha tea is the most nutrient-rich green tea and comes in the form of a stone-ground unfermented powder. The best Matcha comes from Japan.

It’s an excellent source of antioxidants, especially epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG), a catechin with anti-inflammatory activity. Tulsi is another tea loaded with anti-inflammatory antioxidants and other micronutrients that help protect against damage caused by chemical pollutants, heavy metals and physical stress.

Anti-inflammatory herbs and spices

Ounce for ounce, herbs and spices are among the most potent anti-inflammatory ingredients available and making sure you’re eating a wide variety of them on a regular basis can go a long way toward preventing chronic illness.

According to a novel study in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, published in 2012, “cloves, ginger, rosemary and turmeric were able to significantly reduce oxidized LDL-induced expression of TNF-α” or tumor necrosis factor, a cytokine involved in systemic inflammation.

Ginger lowered three different inflammatory biomarkers, suggesting its superior anti-inflammatory action, but rosemary and turmeric also “showed protective capacity by both oxidative protection and inflammation measures.”

The interesting thing about this study is that they used “real world” dosages, meaning amounts you would normally use in your daily cooking, not megadoses you might find in a concentrated supplement. For example, those in the oregano group ate just half a teaspoon of oregano daily for seven days.

Garlic is another kitchen staple that has been treasured for its medicinal properties for centuries. Garlic exerts its benefits on multiple levels, offering antibacterial, antiviral, antifungal and antioxidant properties. Most recently, a 2019 review and meta-analysis concluded garlic effectively lowered several inflammatory biomarkers, including C-reactive protein, TNF-α and interleukin-6.

It's thought that much of garlic's therapeutic effect comes from its sulfur-containing compounds, such as allicin. Research has revealed that as allicin digests in your body it produces sulfenic acid, a compound that reacts faster with dangerous free radicals than any other known compound.

An earlier study published in the Journal of Medicinal Foods found a direct correlation between the antioxidant phenol content of spice and herb extracts and their ability to inhibit glycation and block the formation of AGE compounds (advanced glycation end products), making them potent preventers of heart disease and premature aging.

Here, cloves were ranked as the most potent of 24 common herbs and spices found in your spice rack. The following were found to be the top 10 most potent anti-inflammatory herbs and spices:


Cloves
Cinnamon
Jamaican allspice
Apple pie spice mixture
Oregano
Pumpkin pie spice mixture
Marjoram
Sage
Thyme
Gourmet Italian spice

Curcumin — A powerful anti-inflammatory with poor absorption

Curcumin, the active ingredient in turmeric, also has a solid foundation in science with numerous studies vouching for its anti-inflammatory effects. As noted in a 2017 review in the journal Foods:
“[Curcumin] aids in the management of oxidative and inflammatory conditions, metabolic syndrome, arthritis, anxiety, and hyperlipidemia. It may also help in the management of exercise-induced inflammation and muscle soreness, thus enhancing recovery and performance in active people.

In addition, a relatively low dose of the complex can provide health benefits for people that do not have diagnosed health conditions. Most of these benefits can be attributed to its antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects.”
A drawback of turmeric is its poor absorbability and rapid elimination. As noted in this Foods review, taken by itself turmeric typically does not impart the health benefits with which this spice is associated.

Certain components or additives can significantly boost its bioavailability though. One is piperine, the active ingredient in black pepper, which has been shown to increase the bioavailiability of curcumin by 2,000%. This is why you’ll typically find piperine as an ingredient in most curcumin supplements. A typical dosage of a standardized curcumin supplement is 400 to 600 milligrams three times a day.

Anti-inflammatory ingredients can provide natural pain relief

Another interesting paper in the journal Surgical Neurology International, “Natural Anti-Inflammatory Agents for Pain Relief,” highlights several foods and spices already mentioned, specifically omega-3, green tea and turmeric. In addition to those, it also discusses the anti-inflammatory potential of:


White willow bark
Maritime pine bark (pycnogenol)
Resveratrol
Cat’s claw (Uncaria tomentosa)
Chili pepper (capsaicin)

Interestingly, a 2013 animal study found capsaicin “produced anti-inflammatory effects that were comparable to diclofenac,” a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug commonly prescribed to patients with mild to moderate arthritis.

Frankincense

The Surgical Neurology International paper also addresses the use of Frankincense extract (Boswellia serrata resin), noting it “possesses anti-inflammatory, anti-arthritic, and analgesic properties” and is an inhibitor of leukotriene biosynthesis.

As such, it’s valuable in the treatment of inflammatory diseases driven by leukotrienes, such as degenerative and inflammatory joint disorders. According to this paper, Frankincense:
“… reduces the total white blood cell count in joint fluid, and it also inhibits leukocyte elastase, which is released in rheumatoid arthritis. In one recent study, a statistically significant improvement in arthritis of the knee was shown after 8 weeks of treatment with 333 mg B. serrata extract taken three times a day …

A combination of Boswellia and curcumin showed superior efficacy and tolerability compared with nonsteroidal diclofenac for treating active osteoarthritis. Boswellia typically is given as an extract standardized to contain 30-40% boswellic acids (300-500 mg two or three times/day).”
An earlier study published in Scientific Reports in 2015 confirmed Frankincense and myrrh are both capable of suppressing inflammation by inhibiting the expression of inflammatory cytokines.

The importance of vitamin D

Some anti-inflammatory supplements have already been mentioned, such as curcumin, Cat’s claw, Frankincense and capsaicin. Other supplements with well-documented anti-inflammatory effects include vitamin D, S-adenosylmethionine (SAM-e) and zinc. As reported by Science Daily, vitamin D inhibits inflammation by reducing inflammatory proteins:
“… [R]esearchers examined the specific mechanisms by which vitamin D might act on immune and inflammatory pathways.24 They incubated human white blood cells with varying levels of vitamin D, then exposed them to lipopolysaccharide (LPS), a molecule associated with bacterial cell walls that is known to promote intense inflammatory responses.

Cells incubated with no vitamin D and in solution containing 15 ng/ml of vitamin D produced high levels of cytokines IL-6 and TNF-alpha, major actors in the inflammatory response. Cells incubated in 30 ng/ml vitamin D and above showed significantly reduced response to the LPS. The highest levels of inflammatory inhibition occurred at 50 ng/ml.

Through a complex series of experiments, the researchers identified a new location where the vitamin-D receptor appears to bind directly to DNA and activate a gene known as MKP-1. MKP-1 interferes with the inflammatory cascade triggered by LPS, which includes a molecule known as p38, and results in higher levels of IL-6 and TNF-alpha.

‘This newly identified DNA-binding site for the vitamin-D receptor, and the specific pathways inhibited by higher levels of vitamin D provide a plausible mechanism for many of the benefits that have been associated with vitamin D,’ said Dr. Goleva.

'The fact that we showed a dose-dependent and varying response to levels commonly found in humans also adds weight to the argument for vitamin D's role in immune and inflammatory conditions.’"
While I strongly recommend getting your vitamin D from sensible sun exposure, if you cannot maintain a protective level of 60 to 80 ng/ml year-round, a vitamin D3 supplement would be prudent, considering its importance for your overall health.

Zinc and SAM-e

Zinc is a commonly overlooked antioxidant, but research shows it’s a potent anti-inflammatory. According to a 2014 review article in the journal Frontiers in Nutrition:
“Zinc supplementation trials in the elderly showed that the incidence of infections was decreased by approximately 66% in the zinc group. Zinc supplementation also decreased oxidative stress biomarkers and decreased inflammatory cytokines in the elderly.

In our studies in the experimental model of zinc deficiency in humans, we showed that zinc deficiency per se increased the generation of IL-1β and its mRNA in human mononuclear cells following LPS stimulation.

Zinc supplementation upregulated A20, a zinc transcription factor, which inhibited the activation of NF-κB, resulting in decreased generation of inflammatory cytokines.”
Similarly, SAM-e is commonly recommended for patients with osteoarthritis, as it has both anti-inflammatory and analgesic (pain relieving) properties. According to Arthritis.org, “Results may be felt in just one week but could take more than a month.”

Inflammatory foods to avoid

Last but not least, it's important to realize that dietary components can either trigger or prevent inflammation from taking root in your body, so avoiding inflammatory foods is just as important, if not more so, as eating anti-inflammatory ones.

As a group, processed foods of all kinds tend to be pro-inflammatory, thanks to ingredients like high fructose corn syrup, soy, processed vegetable oils (trans fats) and chemical additives. So, in addition to adding anti-inflammatory foods, herbs, spices and supplements (if needed) to your diet, you’ll also want to avoid the following as much as possible:


Refined sugar, processed fructose and grains — If your fasting insulin level is 3 or above, consider dramatically reducing or eliminating grains and sugars until you optimize your insulin level, as insulin resistance is a primary driver of chronic inflammation.

As a general guideline, I recommend restricting your total fructose intake to 25 grams per day. If you’re insulin or leptin resistant (have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart disease or are overweight), consider cutting that down to 15 grams per day until your insulin/leptin resistance has normalized



Oxidized cholesterol — Cholesterol that has gone rancid, such as that from overcooked, scrambled eggs



Processed meats



Industrial vegetable and seed oils (a source of oxidized omega-6 fats) such as peanut, corn and soy oil



Foods cooked at high temperatures, especially if cooked with vegetable oil

Replacing processed foods with whole, ideally organic foods will automatically address most of these factors, especially if you eat a large portion of your food raw. Equally important is making sure you’re regularly reseeding your gut with beneficial bacteria, as mentioned above.

[spade]

Everytime my knee starts to feel sharp pain, I prep up an oxtail soup. Works brilliantly for about week or so before it acts up again. I think should somehow do this for a week and monitor progress.

[Bill Ryan]

Another article from Dr Mercola — copied just as presented. It did capture my interest.

It's heavily and blatantly promoting his own formula (as you can tell!) but also contains interesting info about glucosamine and chondroitin, which I've been taking religiously. :)

There's also information here about other supplement ingredients that might be of value or interest to anyone reading this thread. That's the only reason I've included it here.


https://products.mercola.com/joint-support

The most recent studies show Glucosamine and Chondroitin can’t do the trick alone

I think you’ll agree, when you can move with comfort and flexibility, it’s much easier to fully appreciate all life has to offer.

If you could move like you did in your younger years, without pain and stiffness, what would your life look like?

Would you take more walks or exercise regularly? Dive deeper into your favorite sports and hobbies? Interact with your kids or grandchildren with newfound gusto?

It’s estimated that 140 million adults in the U.S. suffer from some type of joint or connective tissue complaint that keeps them from fully enjoying what they love most. And as the population ages, that number will continue to climb sharply.

I probably don’t need to tell you your options for relief are limited. You’ve likely discovered that for yourself.

Traditional treatments typically address the symptoms and not the root cause. Any relief you get is usually temporary – simply because it doesn’t deal with what’s brewing beneath the aches and pains and stiffness.

Plus, it’s been clinically proven that most traditional treatments offer limited effectiveness. Many have significant and even potentially severe side effects, too, including risks to your heart health, gut health, and dependency issues.

There must be a better way to enjoy greater flexibility and comfort in your day-to-day activities. I’m excited to tell you there now is... more about that in just a minute...

Confirmed by Science: Why Glucosamine and Chondroitin Alone Aren’t Enough

For years, glucosamine and chondroitin have been the go-to support for joint care.

Many adults still take one or the other, or both. It’s estimated that one in five Americans take glucosamine and one in 10 take chondroitin.

But do they work? Some of the most recent research suggests that they don’t provide all the benefits users expect.

Here’s a quick snapshot at what these studies reveal:


A large two-year National Institutes of Health (NIH) study, called the Glucosamine/chondroitin Arthritis Intervention Trial (GAIT) compared glucosamine and chondroitin, both alone and together, with a prescription drug or inactive placebo for mild knee pain.
A 2016 study of 164 patients with symptomatic knee concerns found that combined treatment with chondroitin and glucosamine sulfate showed no superiority over placebo for joint pain or functional use.
A 2010 Meta-Analysis of 3,800 people with knee and hip issues found that treatment with glucosamine, chondroitin or the combination was no better than placebo.
A 2016 study of 164 patients with symptomatic knee concerns found that combined treatment with chondroitin and glucosamine sulfate showed no superiority over placebo for joint pain or functional use.
More than 20 studies looking at the effect of chondroitin on knee and hip pain have found no consistent evidence that it lessens pain.
Several studies have looked at whether glucosamine and chondroitin can benefit joint structure. Any improvements seen were too small to make a difference to the patients.
Much of the glucosamine on the market is derived from shellfish, specifically crab, lobster, and shrimp shells – a common allergen.
Chondroitin molecules are large, making it difficult for your body to digest. Some people experience gastrointestinal upset.
Glucosamine may affect how your body handles sugar, especially if you already have blood sugar issues or insulin resistance.

Getting to the Heart of the Issue... What Happens to Your Joints and Connective Tissue As You Age

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/44/2a/54442a3aa10535016f6f9ab206f05cb2.jpg
http://projectavalon.net//media.mercola.com/assets/images/joint-support/healthy-joint.jpgA healthy joint needs sufficient cartilage

So if glucosamine and chondroitin aren’t enough by themselves, what else do you need?

To help answer that question, let’s take a closer look at your joints and connective tissue...

Cartilage is a specialized form of living connective tissue that lines the bone in a healthy joint. It lends strength and flexibility to your body.

Cartilage cells produce long chain molecules called glycosaminoglycans (GAGs). When combined with water, they provide cushioning to protect your bones during movement and exercise.

Two of the most common GAGs are chondroitin sulfate and hyaluronic acid, both of which are naturally present in healthy connective tissue and cartilage. Hyaluronic acid helps cartilage maintain its flexibility, elasticity, and strength.

As you age, your joints’ cartilage can lose water and become dry and less elastic. Production of joint fluid and GAGs may also decline. Bottom line, it becomes more difficult to replace the cartilage you lose.

The good news is, cartilage can benefit from supplementation with the right nutrients – more than just glucosamine and chondroitin alone...

Straight From the Barnyard, the Many Wonders of Eggshell Membrane for Your Joint Health Eggshell membrane is the glossy lining left behind in the shell when you crack open an egg. It’s the protective barrier between the egg white and the mineralized eggshell.

Loaded with naturally occurring nutrients, eggshell membrane can be a godsend for your joints and surrounding tissues.

Here are some of the components found in this precious material...


Collagen (Type 1) – A fibrous protein that supports cartilage and connective tissue strength and elasticity
Elastin – A protein that supports skin, cartilage, cardiovascular and spinal health, giving tissue its elastic tension and ability to resume its shape after stretching
Glycosaminoglycans (GAGs) – Includes glucosamine, chondroitin, and hyaluronic acid, all structural components of connective tissue, interstitial fluids, and skeletal structure
Transforming growth factor-b – A protein that plays a crucial role in cellular differentiation and immune function
Desmosine and isodesmosine – Two little-known amino acids responsible for elastin’s elastic or “rubbery” properties

Eggshell membrane, with all these valuable components working together, help:


Support a healthy range of motion
Deliver nutrients to your cartilage and the soft tissue surrounding your joints
Support a healthy inflammatory response

So how can you get this unique glossy material, you may be wondering?
Introducing NEM®... Our Eco-Friendly Eggshell Membrane Matrix From the Midwestern Heartland

Straight from real, freshly cracked eggs, Natural Eggshell Membrane, or NEM® brand eggshell membrane matrix offers the important building blocks collagen, elastin, GAGs and other proteins to support the stability and flexibility of your joints and to help maintain your joint cartilage.

NEM® brand eggshell membrane is an eco-friendly product. And it has a fascinating story behind it...

Watching truckload after truckload full of discarded shells departing from a local Midwestern egg-breaking facility, NEM ’s founder wondered how he could help save 600,000 tons of eggshells from being discarded into American landfills each year.

Made by Mother Nature, this waste had to have a better purpose...

That drove him to digging into the research and discovering eggshell membrane had been used for many years in Japan for countless health benefits, including joint health.

Truly a eureka moment, NEM ’s founder launched his company’s mission to transform this wasted resource into a powerful, naturally sourced joint health supplement.

That was a few years ago... Today, this forward-thinking company is preventing thousands of tons of eggshells from becoming environmental waste, and instead, they’re contributing to consumer wellness.

And the process they use to manufacture NEM is no less environmentally friendly...

Their FDA inspected, NSF-certified GMP facilities leave no detrimental ecological footprint. Using a gentle patented process, the eggshells and their attached membranes are separated from each other.

The isolated membrane is then partially hydrolyzed and dry-blended to produce 100 percent pure NEM powder.

Made completely in the U.S.A., every lot of NEM undergoes testing to verify it is low in toxic heavy metals and free from pathogenic bacteria.

Plus, it’s certified Kosher and Halal and free of any genetically engineered material!

3 Ways NEM® Eggshell Membrane May Benefit Your Joint and Cartilage Health

Earlier I talked about a triple-action effect. Let me explain...

NEM brand eggshell membrane contains three times the support for your joints, and provides it in as little as four to 11 days!

A small, single daily dose of only 500 mg provides fast-acting joint support and helps support healthy joints three ways – against pain, stiffness and cartilage breakdown.

Because NEM® naturally contains many of the same key nutrients found in healthy joint cartilage including glycosaminoglycans (chondroitin and hyaluronic acid), collagen, and peptides, it offers the potential for:


Joint comfort support
Reducing joint aches and pains
A reduction of exercise-induced joint pain and stiffness
Reduced joint stiffness in a quick four days
Joint flexibility support
Reducing cartilage breakdown from normal wear and tear by providing needed building blocks for healthy joint function
Fast and continued results for overall joint health

Let’s take a closer look at what some of the studies say...

What the Research Says About NEM® Eggshell Membrane You don’t have to just take my word for it. Clinical studies have been done on NEM® to show how these potential benefits can occur in real people!

A 2017 double-blind, placebo-controlled study with a group of 60 healthy post-menopausal women showed that a daily dose of 500 mg of NEM® rapidly improved recovery from exercise-induced joint aches and pains by Day 8, immediate stiffness by Day 7, and recovery stiffness by Day 4.

This is the first dietary ingredient that has been shown to reduce exercise-induced pain in truly healthy subjects!

But that’s not all... Studies show NEM promotes a healthy, balanced inflammatory response, too.

Inflammation is your body’s way of isolating injured tissue to allow self-healing to take place. However, if inflammation continues beyond the natural healing process, it can lead to joint tissue damage. A balanced inflammatory response is essential for supporting your joint and connective tissue health.

Multiple studies show that NEM contains compounds that support a healthy normal inflammatory response. One study of 44 individuals with knee and hip concerns supplementing with 500 mg of NEM showed:


More than 59 percent of patients reported NEM as good or very good after 60 days of use
More 75 percent of patients had moderate or significant improvements after 60 days, according to physicians
No serious adverse effects were reported during the study

In conclusion, this study showed NEM significantly reduced pain, both rapidly (10 days) and continuously (60 days), making it a safe and effective option.

If my Joint Formula only contained this winning eggshell membrane matrix, I think you would agree it would be a “no-brainer” decision to try it. However, my team didn’t stop there. We added three more joint health-supporting ingredients!

Feel Better Fast With Super-Antioxidant Astaxanthin

Astaxanthin – the carotenoid pigment that gives flamingos and shrimp their rosy pink hue – is a fat-soluble antioxidant with a unique molecular structure. It is similar in structure to beta-carotene, but much more effective at scavenging destructive free radicals.

In fact, studies show astaxanthin may be 10 times more effective than beta-carotene in its ability to protect against free radical attack, and 550 times more effective than vitamin E!

This super antioxidant is now thought to be the most powerful antioxidant found in nature. And because it is soluble in lipids, it crosses protective barriers and embeds itself into and helps protect mitochondrial and cellular membranes.

Free radicals can cause tissue and joint damage. Compared to a normal heathy joint, an inflamed joint contains significantly increased levels of harmful free radicals.

Astaxanthin has been found to be especially helpful for preventing and slowing down free radical damage to joints. It is unique among carotenoids because it traps free radicals at both ends of the molecule.

It’s also very effective at quenching a molecule called singlet oxygen, a harmful reactive oxygen species formed through normal biological processes.

Singlet oxygen possesses a high amount of excess energy that must be released to keep it from damaging other cells. Astaxanthin absorbs this energy and dissipates it as heat, thereby returning the singlet oxygen to a grounded state.

Astaxanthin works diligently to support a healthy inflammatory response, which can result in fewer aches and pains and greater comfort. Studies show it helps:


Support grip strength among tennis players
Support joint health and mobility after exercise
Support joint health and quicker recovery times for elite athletes after intense training and exercise

A Gift From One of Earth’s Oldest Life Forms… A Fine Source of Astaxanthin for My Joint Formula
Microalgae is one of earth’s oldest life forms. It has survived many, many years through the harshest of conditions.

Its genes may actually hold a secret for our own survival…

The first building block and source of life itself, algae provides one of the finest gifts for health: astaxanthin.

As a survival mechanism, the microalgae Haematococcus pluvialis produces astaxanthin when its water supply dries up to protect itself from ultraviolet radiation and lack of nutrition.

You can get astaxanthin two ways – from the microalgae that produces it, or the sea creatures that feed upon the algae, such as salmon, krill and shrimp.

The astaxanthin used for my Joint Formula is supplied by one of the premier suppliers of high-quality astaxanthin extracted from the microalgae Haematococcus pluvialis.

Most manufacturers use open ponds where the algae is exposed to the elements and can come into contact with agricultural runoff and other environmental toxins. Our manufacturer grows the microalgae in glass tubes so it’s protected from contamination plus it avoids the use of PVC and plasticizers.

Using state-of-the-art Supercritical Carbon Dioxide (CO2) technology, a standardized high quality astaxanthin oleoresin is extracted from the Haematococcus pluvialis biomass:


Contains 95 percent total carotenoids
Tested for purity with less than 0.5 ppm heavy metals
Uses no genetically engineered substances

Source matters when it comes to astaxanthin… Petrochemical-derived astaxanthin has begun to hit the market and, understandably, it costs less than astaxanthin from microalgae. Because of this, you can’t be too careful when shopping for astaxanthin.

Highly Prized During the Peak of the Roman and Indian Civilizations,
This Ayurvedic Herb Can Help Maintain Steady Blood Flow to Your Joints

http://projectavalon.net//media.mercola.com/assets/images/joint-support/boswellia-serrata-tree.jpgThe Boswellia serrata tree contains a gummy resin that supports joint health
Boswellia serrata – or Indian frankincense – is one of the most-valued Ayurvedic herbs, referred to in its renowned ancient texts for its many uses.

Not to be confused with the frankincense – or boswellia carterii – which is used to make the essential oil, the resin made from the boswellia serrata extract was highly prized during the peak of the Roman and Indian civilizations.

This gum resin is extracted from the medium-to-large-sized boswellia serrata tree that grows in the dry mountainous regions of India, Northern Africa and the Middle East.

Indian frankincense contains four major pentacyclic triterpenic acids, or more commonly known as boswellic acids.

Studies show these boswellic acids promote a healthy inflammatory response in your body, thus helping to control tissue damage from free radicals.

Working on the cellular and molecular levels, Indian frankincense supports:


The health of your body's connective tissues
Healthy joint function
The normal flexibility of your body
A normal and comfortable range of motion
Healthy normal blood flow to your joints

With regular use, Indian frankincense can help maintain steady blood flow to your joints and support your joint tissues’ ability to boost flexibility and strength.

Last but Not Least… Clinically Proven, Proprietary Lower Molecular Weight Hyaluronic Acid for Your Joint Comfort
Hyaluronic Acid (HA) is a polysaccharide found in nearly every cell in your body. It’s a key component of your cartilage and connective tissue and synovial fluid that’s secreted by the synovial membrane surrounding your joints.

HA’s main function is to reduce friction in your joints to help them move smoothly. It does this by providing lubrication and nutrients and removing wastes.

Synovial fluid, which contains hyaluronic acid, acts as a lubricant, nutrient carrier and shock absorber to protect your joints and bones during normal movement.

Your cartilage is immersed in, and fed by the synovial fluid. Without HA, nutrients can’t move into these cells… and waste can’t be moved out.

Your body produces hyaluronic acid, and you can get it from foods like grass fed meats and bone broth from these meats. Vitamin C- and magnesium-rich foods play critical roles in the synthesis of HA.

However, as you grow older, your body’s ability to produce hyaluronic acid declines. If you’re not allergic to eggs or poultry, supplemental hyaluronic acid can help provide valuable support for cushioning your joints.

The hyaluronic acid we’ve added to our Joint Formula is a patented medium-chain hyaluronic acid that has a lower molecular weight than traditional HA.

Studies show this form of highly bioactive hyaluronic acid is more bioavailable to your connective tissue and works well with astaxanthin for joint health.

This special low-density hyaluronic acid:


Supports the production of synovial fluids to lubricate your points
Supports your immune function
Supports a normal, balanced inflammatory response

In clinical studies by the manufacturer, this unique blend dramatically reduced knee joint discomfort and was shown to have a cumulative beneficial effect with time on optimizing joint comfort.

[Perdido]

I had to leave aviation due to being rear ended and weakening a neck disc... then surgery pinched another nerve... I was in pain and spasms for 3 years.. sleeping only 2-4 hours a night..
This got me into researching online.. as I did not trust the medical system after this.

Advertisement is Not Education.. and that is all most people are repeating.. rumors and advertisement.
It is all BS.

I have found numerous things that REALLY work.. most are natural.. vs most of the BS I seen written..
The body is one chemical reaction after another.. so Why Things Work is the key..
I read there are 12,000 body chemical reactions that have to work.. or you are dead.

So.. I looked at the Inflammation post.. and your comment about "I have slightly creaky knees'... I have the answers...

Guaranteed... answers.. not Advertisement BS.
So I will post some of these... I have many links were the info came from..

For your problem...

#1.. Ozone Therapy.. also known as Prolotherapy... injections of sugar or ozone.. which works best.. Plus.. Stem Cells from Your Blood.. and Growth Hormones.. 4 treatments is normal..
The Ozone Causes inflammation.. stimulating the healing process.. the Stem cells grow into anything.. there is no case of "No Cartilage.. bone on bone situation." That is a lie.. my MD says.. Most of the problem is Ligaments.. per my MD.

You will be sore for 1-5 days.. then heal.. Do not take any Anti-inflammatory during this for about a month. Takes about 6 weeks to heal... This works for ligaments and cartridge. Have both done at the same time.

In January.. I had so much left knee pain.. I thought I was going to have to have an operation.. I weight lifted for years.. lifting 500 lbs 10 years ago.. but that is another story.. and I have pics..
Having had 4 injections of Ozone .. I feel like I could weight lift again.. now.
....

Supplements...
14% Gallium Nitrate.. 43% used on Million $$$ race horses knees.. Nothing tougher on a knee.. than a race horse.. order from GalliumNitrate.com.. it kills inflammation.. and helps ligaments absorb nutrition.. They do not give Race Horses things that don't work !

I applied it to people's hands that have severe arthritis.. and their fingers are so deformed.. they can not open them...

100% instantaneously.. had the pain disappear and they could open their finger.. Shocked me.

The Medical System is not there to Cure you but to milk your insurance company.. they have to follow Protocol.. or they are fired... my Ozone MD told me.

* * *

Vitamins... don't work.. without Minerals.. which everyone is deficient in... as the soil is depleted...
And NEITHER WORK WITHOUT SYSTEMIC ENZYMES.. Your liver and pancreas makes them in abundance until you reach age 27... then they drop like a rock.

They are involved in 3,000 body chemical functions.. and recycle vitamins and minerals, reduce inflammation.. and thus pain.. speeds up healing.. 30-50% after an operation.. for example.. thins the blood naturally, etc...

Weight Lifters use SE.. to repair damage.. and avoid soreness. I took them as a teenager weight lifting 50 years ago.. but did not know why they worked.

Vitalzym is the best one I have used... Used in Europe as a pain killer.. Europe and Russian have used SE medically for some 30 years...Your medical system is corrupt ! $$$

Some SE eat blood clots.. Most come from plants.. MDs don't know a damn thing about them..

In 1910 they knew high doses of Pancreatic Enzymes cured cancer ! What does that say about our current Medical System.. Fraud ! That is what.

At age 59.. I dead lifted 500 lbs.. and tore both bicep tendons.. After 3 years.. the Andrews Sports Institute did not have an answer.. I was down to 1 arm. Then a smart friend who worked in the Nuclear and Chemical Industry .. told me about Vitalzym.. so I took high doses and in 90 days healed both biceps 90%.. and that was 10 years ago.

I burned my finger one morning on a hot stove eye.. as I was sleepy.. burned it black.. worst burn I ever had.. put it under water.. and looked at it.. There was zero pain.. no blister.. it peeled off in 10 days.. all because I was taking high doses of SE for a shoulder problem...

One major reason we age is because of decrease in SE.. in our body.

Take without food.. or they only work as digestive enzymes.

Some SE help with proteins, some with fats.. some with carbohydrates.
Vitalzym is a mixture.. available on Amazon.. take 6 small pills.. 3 times a day.. for rapid results..
Monitor your blood pressure.. and avoid blood thinners.

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inflammation ... continued...
MSM-Sulfur is the 5th most important element in your body.. including oxygen and water... it is a mineral in every cell membrane.. allows water and oxygen to exchange to detox your cells.. can reduce pain 30-50% in 1-5 days.. 1-2 tsps in a shot of water .. 1-2x/day. Especially good for muscle pain.

Boron.. is good for joint pain.. another mineral..

Everyone is deficient in minerals.

[greybeard]

Agree regarding Minerals
Soil is depleted of these so not much available through vegetables.
The Galium Nitrate does not seem available in UK I checked tthe American company you listed and cost of shipping etc rules it out for me.
Thanks for your post and PM though.
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Guaranteed... answers.. not Advertisement BS.
So I will post some of these... I have many links were the info came from..

Thanks! I'm doing well here, actually, but I'll definitely look into Gallium Nitrate (I love the racehorse evidence) and Vitalzym.

Regarding Ozone therapy, I'm aware of its benefits and occasional miracles. No sources here in Ecuador! But with a little ozonator, one can make ozonated olive oil, which (would you believe!) is an invention by Nikola Tesla.

When ozonated, olive oil turns into a thick paste, and I'm guessing it could then be rubbed into joints as an ointment. I'll experiment.

:sun:

[enfoldedblue]

I noticed a pain in my thumb joint that felt arthritic. Started taking borax about 3 weeks ago and it's gone.

[Star Tsar]

So I have the results of my MRI & The radiologist wrote in his report (Asked to see images but was refused not how it's done in the UK on the NHS!) that I have mild spondylotic degenerative changes with small osteophyte bar causing "mild" (does not feel mild @ ALL) narrowing of the neural foramina @ C6/7 with no remarkable stenosis of the spinal canal.
Desiccation of all cervical disks with "mild" loss of height @ C6/7. (Degraded disk)
In a nut shell degenerative disk disease @ age 41!

Lots of pain in cervical & lumbar spine. I have gotten some light relief from MSM & Turmeric tablets (thanks Avalon).
So I have decided to take up more exercise pain permitting.
It does seems strange to me as I am now totally unable to look upwards or sit @ a computer for extended periods of time which seemed to start when I took a much deeper interest in the universe & other matters above our heads.

I am feeling a little fed up...

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[Gemma13]

Friend’s father has had crippling arthritis for years (morphine stage). Fish oil had no impact for him but Red Krill Oil tablets helped significantly after few months.

Mum been on Fish oil for years. Started taking Red Krill Oil few weeks ago and can now bend her fingers fully.

Trial and error to find what works for every individual :) Apologies if Red Krill Oil already mentioned as I haven’t read all of the thread.

[Bill Ryan]

Guaranteed... answers.. not Advertisement BS.
So I will post some of these... I have many links were the info came from..

Thanks! I'm doing well here, actually, but I'll definitely look into Gallium Nitrate (I love the racehorse evidence) and Vitalzym.



A couple of questions. This is really interesting.


The dose specified on galliumnitrate.com (http://galliumnitrate.com) is for a 1200 lb horse. :) Presumably the dose for humans would be proportionally less by weight? (So a liter of the solution would last for a great deal longer?)
Do you have any idea why this isn't specifically recommended for humans? Considering the apparent potential benefits, there seems to be VERY little about it on the net.

[wegge]

Bill please keep us in the loop also regarding the ozonated olive oil

[Bill Ryan]

Bill please keep us in the loop also regarding the ozonated olive oil

Well, it's interesting stuff! It has the consistency (texture) of semi-transparent toothpaste (the oil gets thicker when it's ozonated), and it can be applied to the skin like an ointment or salve. It retains the ozone indefinitely, so it's a good way of administering it. It can also simply be eaten, too, as it's food-grade and 100% safe by definition.

One can make it oneself with a little ozonator (easy to find and buy, and not too expensive) — or buy ozonated olive oil directly. That's also quite easy to search for and find.

[Meryl]

Celery juice Bill. Renown for helping arthritis.

[Perdido]

Guaranteed... answers.. not Advertisement BS.
So I will post some of these... I have many links were the info came from..

Thanks! I'm doing well here, actually, but I'll definitely look into Gallium Nitrate (I love the racehorse evidence) and Vitalzym.



A couple of questions. This is really interesting.


The dose specified on galliumnitrate.com (http://galliumnitrate.com) is for a 1200 lb horse. :) Presumably the dose for humans would be proportionally less by weight? (So a liter of the solution would last for a great deal longer?)
Do you have any idea why this isn't specifically recommended for humans? Considering the apparent potential benefits, there seems to be VERY little about it on the net.


I read Gallium Nitrate was used in newborn baby's eye drops. Can not remember the reason.

43% Gallium Nitrate is used for Race Horses... 14% is what he sells for humans. I find it does not work on areas with thick tissue.. like the hip. I have considered trying the 43% version to test it.

I only use 1/2-1 cap full at a time normally. If say my knee is really acting up... I will apply it 2 times per day... maybe 3. Only takes a couple of days to improve. I sit under a fan to help it dry.. feels like some coating on it afterwards.

One can drink it diluted.. as it also kills candida... Friend had candida and tried it.. he avoid a 2nd round of chemo, I think it was.. He has had Leukemia from Agent Orange, and said candida was his biggest problem.

Horses are treated better than humans... They don't waste money on things that don't work. American MDs are just milking Insurance Companies.. they are not trying to cure you.

Gallium is on the periodic table, next to Zinc.

Some people have reported doing Ozone Therapy to their own joints.. as sugar is one way.. Dextrose (I believe it was) sugar is shot into the joint with a small needle.

Where there is a will, there is a way.
Where there is No Will, there is No Way.

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A MD had me us ozonated olive oil for an skin infection.. ulcer. It did seem to help some.. but did not cure it.

[Perdido]

Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) 3.0-4.5mg/night stops the progression of Arthritis.. among other things..

I can not say enough good things about Systemic Enzymes... taken in high enough doses.. and one can not get sore from exercise !
I prefer Vitalzym... used in Europe as a pain killer.

360 small bee wax coated pills.. take on an empty stomach... 3 per day instructions.
I took 6 @ 3-4x/day and healed both torn biceps 10 years ago 90% in 90 days... Problem was from dead lifting 500 lbs.. and have pics to prove it.
It lowers blood pressure... so avoid blood thinners.. and monitor your pressure...
One does not need blood thinners... just take Systemic Enzymes.
Involved in 3,000 body chemical functions as catalyst .. They reduce inflammation, and thus pain.. speeds healing.. say 30-50% after an operation..
Most come from plants..
Your liver and pancreas made them in abundance.. until you hit age 27.

Some even eat blood clots.
1st sign of blockage is higher blood pressure.. MD told me
So ..Takes about 10 days to start seeing results.. which is blood pressure starts falling.

EVERY ELDER PERSON IS DEFICIENT IN SYSTEMIC ENZYMES.
Lack of healing.. soreness, inflammation all are Symptoms.

[Perdido]

Stem Cells will regrow bone on bone knee cartilage... as it is a pad..
Only a certain area is bone on bone... Ozone Therapy MD told me.

Interesting post here..

Joe Rogan - Mel Gibson on How Stem Cell Therapy Saved His Dad's Life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUCJo1j0S9s

[Bill Ryan]

Guaranteed... answers.. not Advertisement BS.
So I will post some of these... I have many links were the info came from..

Thanks! I'm doing well here, actually, but I'll definitely look into Gallium Nitrate (I love the racehorse evidence) and Vitalzym.



A couple of questions. This is really interesting.


The dose specified on galliumnitrate.com (http://galliumnitrate.com) is for a 1200 lb horse. :) Presumably the dose for humans would be proportionally less by weight? (So a liter of the solution would last for a great deal longer?)
Do you have any idea why this isn't specifically recommended for humans? Considering the apparent potential benefits, there seems to be VERY little about it on the net.



I read Gallium Nitrate was used in newborn baby's eye drops. Can not remember the reason.

43% Gallium Nitrate is used for Race Horses... 14% is what he sells for humans. I find it does not work on areas with thick tissue.. like the hip. I have considered trying the 43% version to test it.

I only use 1/2-1 cap full at a time normally. If say my knee is really acting up... I will apply it 2 times per day... maybe 3. Only takes a couple of days to improve. I sit under a fan to help it dry.. feels like some coating on it afterwards.

I wrote to George Eby, who sells it at http://galliumnitrate.com. I asked:



I understand the dosage you specify is for a 1200 lb horse. If it was for (careful!) human use (for someone with knee problems), am I right in assuming the dose would be reduced, proportional to body weight?
He replied:



Pursuant to FDA regulations and guidelines, we cannot endorse use of our product for Human Consumption. This said, some customers purportedly make a similar adjustment and have used the product to great effect. We cannot endorse such an application.
I'm assuming what he means by this is that a human dose (say for someone weighing 180 lbs) would therefore be 180/1200 (= 15%) of the horse dose, and would need to be carefully measured.

[Franny]

When I worked with a, mainly, equine veterinarian he said he used many medications on himself and that they were the same quality as for human use but priced less for vet use.

Everyone I worked around used vet preparations, most often for topical use on cuts and scrapes, and I did too. It's when I started using DMSO. Still use it and buy it at local farm supply stores were it costs less than health food stores. Not to be used on dogs however!

Why not give it a try :thumbsup:

[etheric underground]

I have osteo arthritis.... and my joints often blow out with inflammation.
I use boron...or borax and it is the only thing that accumulatively works
http://rexresearch.com/newnham/newnham.htm

[Bill Ryan]

Hello, Everyone: an update here that might possibly be interesting. But caveat! This is NOT a scientific experiment. There are all kinds of flaws in it. :)

Recap. When I started this thread, I had a few sharp pains in my knees that were new and a little alarming. So I


Changed my diet to rigorously exclude grains, eggs, dairy and sugars (except fruit and honey).
Took a tablespoon of turmeric and spirulina every day.
Increased my MSM intake through supplements, and also started taking borax (see this separate Borax thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63939-The-Borax-Conspiracy)).

Because of the recent hassles in Ecuador (see this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108762-Turmoil-in-Ecuador)), some of that changed because of my dwindling supplies. So that constituted an unplanned experiment (of sorts!).

I ran out of turmeric and spirulina, and my diet lapsed a little (but not TOO much). But I continued with the borax and MSM, because I had plenty.

My knees are still 100% fine now. I've been working them out quite hard, and they're strong again. I'm not at all concerned any more. And what SEEMS to have been the core critical factor, because of the unplanned 'elimination protocol', was


2500 mg MSM daily.
About 700 mg Borax (1 large self-filled 00 capsule (https://capsuleconnection.com/capsule-sizing-info/)) daily.

So I just report this out of interest. Do note, though that


This is anecdotal!
Diet is always important. So don't get cavalier and assume that supplements alone will do the work.
Everyone's body is different — so do experiment personally. :thumbsup:

[onawah]

Can Lowering Inflammation Help Major Depression?
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola
December 26, 2019
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/12/26/lowering-inflammation-may-help-depression.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20191226Z1&et_cid=DM417943&et_rid=777426939

"STORY AT-A-GLANCE
New research data adds to mounting evidence that depression is linked to an inflammatory response
Inflammation influences the quality of sleep, metabolism, stress response and the release of cytokines
Antidepressant medications are associated with significant and dangerous side effects, including violence, aggression and suicide
The senior population is especially vulnerable; the rate of antidepressant drug prescriptions for this group has doubled since 1990, increasing the risk of cognitive decline, dementia, osteoporosis, Type 2 diabetes and heart disease
Effective nonpharmacological options for treatment include exercising, reducing sugar intake, and using light therapy for 30 minutes each day
It is estimated that 7.1% of the adult population in the U.S. experienced at least one major depressive episode in 2017. The highest rates are among those ages 18 to 25 years. Many people believe depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. This is a theory that has been widely promoted by drug companies and psychiatrists, to the point it is now accepted as fact.

However, this is just a theory and, worse, it's a theory that has been largely discredited. The idea spread quickly after it was proposed in the 1960s when it appeared antidepressant drugs altered brain chemicals. In the 1980s, Prozac (fluoxetine) was released by Eli Lilly and heavily promoted to balance brain chemicals and affect depression.

Prozac had fewer side effects than some of the earlier antidepressants and soon became the poster child for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) class of antidepressants. However, while heavily prescribed, data repeatedly showed SSRIs worked no better than placebos for those experiencing mild to moderate depression.

Although antidepressants don't effectively treat depression, they do double the risk of harm from suicide and violence in healthy adults and increase aggression in children and adolescents.

Researchers also suggest major depression could be vastly overdiagnosed and overtreated with antidepressants. The majority who are prescribed these drugs end up staying on them long-term, which may compromise their health.

More Studies Link Depression to Inflammation
Researchers have found yet another link between inflammation and depression. In one study1 published in the Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry, researchers systematically reviewed the safety and effectiveness of anti-inflammatory agents in people suffering with major depression.

The literature review included results from 30 randomized control trials with a 1,610 participants. In an overall analysis of 26 studies, the researchers found anti-inflammatory agents reduced depressive disorder when compared with placebo. They found no differences in quality of life analysis but did find gastrointestinal event differences between the treatment periods.

A subanalysis of the data demonstrated an adjunctive treatment with antidepressants with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, statins, omega-3 FAs and minocycline significantly reduced depressive symptoms.2

Results from another large metanalysis3 carried out by researchers from Aarhus University Hospital in Denmark revealed similar findings, showing anti-inflammatories may be effective in the treatment of depression. One researcher explains the study showed the combination of anti-inflammatory drugs along with antidepressants have beneficial effects.

The results also showed the effect against depression was present when the anti-inflammatory medication was used alone, compared against a placebo. The scientists analyzed 36 international studies of participants who suffered from depression or who had symptoms of depression. One of the researchers, Dr. Ole Köhler-Forsberg, commented on the results of the study:4

"This definitely bolsters our chances of being able to provide personalised treatment for individual patients in the longer term. Of course we always have to weigh the effects against the potential side-effects of the anti-inflammatory drugs.

We still need to clarify which patients will benefit from the medicine and the size of the doses they will require. The findings are interesting, but patients should consult their doctor before initiating additional treatment."

Yet in another recently published study in Molecular Psychiatry5 scientists found patients treated with immunotherapeutics for inflammatory disorders, who also presented with depression or depressive symptoms, experienced symptomatic relief. The team found the reduction in depressive symptoms was not associated with any treatment-related changes in their physical health.

Immune Dysregulation May Trigger Allergic-Type Reaction
There has been an increasing number of studies in which depression is reported to be linked to immune dysregulation and inflammation, mimicking an allergic reaction.6 Your body uses inflammation as a defense mechanism to an attack.

A localized, infected wound demonstrates an isolated inflammatory response as it turns red and sore. Inflammation is also triggered by stress and physical trauma; inflammation in turn triggers depression. This is related to response to the release of cytokines, which are small protein cells the body uses to help with the response.

This information may ultimately influence emotions and how you feel. By affecting the quality of your sleep, metabolism and stress responses, inflammation may create a biological environment triggering depressive symptoms.

The findings from these studies have contributed to a mounting body of evidence that inflammation may be a biochemical route of mental health symptoms. Thus, it may provide another nonpharmacological route for treating those who suffer with depression. Köhler-Forsberg and colleagues are interested in a pharmacological response, and he points out:7

"Some studies suggest that the choice of antidepressant can be decided by a blood sample that measures whether there is an inflammatory condition in the body. Other studies show that the same blood sample can be used as a guideline for whether a depressive patient can be treated with anti-inflammatory medicine that has a better effect when there is inflammation present at the same time as the depression.

However, we need to verify these findings and examine which patients can benefit from this before it can be implemented in everyday clinical practice."

Mental Health Screening May Overlook Contributing Factors
Physicians commonly use mental health screening tests to determine how best to treat depressive symptoms. The use of these screening tests is only as good as the physician administering them to analyze the data and how you feel when you enter the doctor's office.

In one 2013 study, an evaluation of 5,639 participants identified by their clinician as suffering with depression, researchers found only 38.4% met the DSM-4 criteria for a major depressive episode. In speaking to The New York Times, one of the researchers pointed out that not only are physicians prescribing more medications, but patients are demanding more as well.

He points out Americans have become used to using drugs to address the stresses of daily life that may trigger short-term situational sadness. Mental health screening tests do not often consider vitamin deficiencies, lack of exercise, poor nutrition, lack of sleep or inflammation.

Antidepressant Use Doubled in Seniors
In the 2013 study evaluating participants who were prescribed antidepressants by their physician, a mere 14.3% of those over age 65 met the DSM-4 criteria for a major depressive episode. To investigate whether the number of antidepressant drugs prescribed to seniors had risen, another team of researchers looked at data from 1991 to 1993.

They compared this against data gathered from studies occurring from 2008 to 2011. During the early period, 4.2% of adults were taking antidepressants. This number more than doubled to 10.7% during the later period. The rate of antidepressant use in older adults living in care homes in the English population cohort studies also rose, from 7.4% to 29.2%.

A study published in 2017 reviewed data from 1990 to 2015 gathered from Australia, Canada, England and the U.S. In this report it was noted that the prevalence of disorders and symptoms had not decreased despite an increase in the prescription of antidepressants.

In seniors, depression is associated with cognitive decline, dementia and poor medical outcomes. Those with depression also experience higher rates of suicide and mortality. Guidelines from the American Psychiatric Association suggest antidepressant medication with psychotherapy in the elderly. But, despite the increased risks with antidepressants, most seniors receive only medication.

Treatment with antidepressant drugs in seniors increases the risk of Type 2 diabetes, which increases the risk of other comorbid health conditions including heart disease and stroke. The drugs are also linked to the development of thicker arteries and dementia.

In addition, depending on the classification of drug, they are known to reduce several nutrients, including coenzyme Q10, vitamin B12, calcium and folate. Of concern in the elderly is the risk of osteoporosis and fractures associated with antidepressant medications.

One 2015 study compared women treated with indigestion drugs against those treated with SSRIs and found a 76% increased rate of fracture in the first year in those taking antidepressants. When these risks are combined with the knowledge the drugs work no better than placebo for mild to moderate depression, seniors may experience greater risk than any benefit they receive.

Consider Nonpharmacological Options to Reduce Depression
Reducing the inflammatory response in your body is crucial as it is a root cause of many chronic conditions, including depression. In addition to strategies to reduce inflammation, there are other approaches with a history of improving symptoms.

As you consider the following nonpharmacological suggestions, remember you don't have to do them all at once, and you can accomplish them no matter your age or current physical abilities. Begin the journey to better health taking small, permanent steps.

•Exercise — Exercise normalizes your insulin and leptin sensitivity and has a significant effect on kynurenine, a neurotoxic stress chemical produced from the amino acid tryptophan; brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), a growth factor regulating neuroplasticity and new growth of neurons and your endocannabinoid system, all of which

•Nutrition — There are several nutritional factors that affect your mood and emotions, not the least of which is eating too much sugar. Excessive amounts of sugar disrupt your leptin and insulin sensitivity, affect dopamine levels and damage your mitochondria, all of which affect your mood.

Nutrients such as omega-3 fats, magnesium, vitamin D and the B vitamins each influence your mood and brain health. You may experience the beneficial effects of boosting these nutrients to optimal levels in as little as two weeks.

•Light therapy — Light therapy is an effective treatment for seasonal affective disorder, and researchers8 find it is also effective against moderate to severe depression. Participants simply used a white light box for 30 minutes each day as soon as possible after waking up.

•Mindful meditation or Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) — In a study9 of 30 moderately to severely depressed college students, the depressed students were given four 90-minute EFT sessions. Students who received EFT showed significantly less depression than the control group when evaluated three weeks later."

- Sources and References
1 Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry, October 28, 2019; doi:10.1136/jnnp-2019-320912
2, 6 Psychology Today, November 11, 2019
3 Acta Psychiatry Scandinavia, May 2019;139(5):404
4, 7 EurekAlert! April 8, 2019
5 Molecular Psychiatry, 2019; doi:10.1038/s41380-019-0471-8
8 JAMA Psychiatry November 18, 2015. doi:10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2015.2235 Interventions/Device Treatments
9 Depression Research & Treatment, 2012. doi:10.1155/2012/257172

[greybeard]

I use DMSO for neck and other pains.
I relaxes the muscles it also lifts the mood.
I put it on neat which causes a strong prickly sensation fro about ten minutes but it does the job better than anything else I have used.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvrHwAmU_ro

[Mike]

in my early 20's i was working out like a lunatic, 6 days a week. overdoing it, big time. one day i was squatting and got this sharp pain in my left knee. i knew immediately i'd done something pretty bad. from that point on i revisited squats every now and then, but the pain always returned. it was a pain that lasted 20 years.

fast forward to the present: i began taking grass fed beef heart capsules for this heart nonsense ive been dealing with, and one of the amazing side effects of it was a resolution to my left knee issue. i'm back to squatting now, with minimal discomfort. i really thought that would be impossible. i thought i was done working out legs, and that perhaps my future would involve a knee surgery of some sort. it's nothing short of a miracle.

prior to this, i tried every joint supplement out there. you name it, i tried it: chondroitin, glucosamine, msm, hyalauronic acid, essential fatty acids, turmeric, etc etc etc.

the beef heart is loaded with all those things, plus collagen..and a whole bunch of other stuff no one knows about or has discovered and labelled. it's really changed my life and i highly recommend it.

[Bill Ryan]

in my early 20's i was working out like a lunatic, 6 days a week. overdoing it, big time. one day i was squatting and got this sharp pain in my left knee. i knew immediately i'd done something pretty bad. from that point on i revisited squats every now and then, but the pain always returned. it was a pain that lasted 20 years.

fast forward to the present: i began taking grass fed beef heart capsules for this heart nonsense ive been dealing with, and one of the amazing side effects of it was a resolution to my left knee issue. i'm back to squatting now, with minimal discomfort. i really thought that would be impossible. i thought i was done working out legs, and that perhaps my future would involve a knee surgery of some sort. it's nothing short of a miracle.

prior to this, i tried every joint supplement out there. you name it, i tried it: chondroitin, glucosamine, msm, hyalauronic acid, essential fatty acids, turmeric, etc etc etc.

the beef heart is loaded with all those things, plus collagen..and a whole bunch of other stuff no one knows about or has discovered and labelled. it's really changed my life and i highly recommend it.Thanks, Mike — well done, and so interesting. :highfive:

Can you tell us exactly which grass fed beef heart supplement you use?

[Mike]

in my early 20's i was working out like a lunatic, 6 days a week. overdoing it, big time. one day i was squatting and got this sharp pain in my left knee. i knew immediately i'd done something pretty bad. from that point on i revisited squats every now and then, but the pain always returned. it was a pain that lasted 20 years.

fast forward to the present: i began taking grass fed beef heart capsules for this heart nonsense ive been dealing with, and one of the amazing side effects of it was a resolution to my left knee issue. i'm back to squatting now, with minimal discomfort. i really thought that would be impossible. i thought i was done working out legs, and that perhaps my future would involve a knee surgery of some sort. it's nothing short of a miracle.

prior to this, i tried every joint supplement out there. you name it, i tried it: chondroitin, glucosamine, msm, hyalauronic acid, essential fatty acids, turmeric, etc etc etc.

the beef heart is loaded with all those things, plus collagen..and a whole bunch of other stuff no one knows about or has discovered and labelled. it's really changed my life and i highly recommend it.Thanks, Mike — well done, and so interesting. :highfive:

Can you tell us exactly which grass fed beef heart supplement you use?


you bet!:thumbsup: the brand is called "ancestral supplements".

they sell a product line of whole food beef organ capsules. i'm taking the grass fed beef heart.

https://www.ancestralsupplements.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_J7G76jV5gIVgYbACh2hlQvdEAAYASAAEgLI9vD_BwE


it comes in a little pricey at $38, but i hope you don't let that stop you. if you take the recommended 6 capsules a day, it will last a month.

i took 6 pills a day for perhaps 8 weeks, and currently i take 2 or 3. i think it's important to go through that "loading phase", but then you can taper off and still maintain results.

the capsules are reasonably sized and easy to take with a little water. and it's a whole food product, so you don't need to take it with a meal or anything.

[Bill Ryan]

in my early 20's i was working out like a lunatic, 6 days a week. overdoing it, big time. one day i was squatting and got this sharp pain in my left knee. i knew immediately i'd done something pretty bad. from that point on i revisited squats every now and then, but the pain always returned. it was a pain that lasted 20 years.

fast forward to the present: i began taking grass fed beef heart capsules for this heart nonsense ive been dealing with, and one of the amazing side effects of it was a resolution to my left knee issue. i'm back to squatting now, with minimal discomfort. i really thought that would be impossible. i thought i was done working out legs, and that perhaps my future would involve a knee surgery of some sort. it's nothing short of a miracle.

prior to this, i tried every joint supplement out there. you name it, i tried it: chondroitin, glucosamine, msm, hyalauronic acid, essential fatty acids, turmeric, etc etc etc.

the beef heart is loaded with all those things, plus collagen..and a whole bunch of other stuff no one knows about or has discovered and labelled. it's really changed my life and i highly recommend it.Thanks, Mike — well done, and so interesting. :highfive:

Can you tell us exactly which grass fed beef heart supplement you use?


you bet!:thumbsup: the brand is called "ancestral supplements".

they sell a product line of whole food beef organ capsules. i'm taking the grass fed beef heart.

https://www.ancestralsupplements.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_J7G76jV5gIVgYbACh2hlQvdEAAYASAAEgLI9vD_BwE

it comes in a little pricey at $38, but i hope you don't let that stop you. if you take the recommended 6 capsules a day, it will last a month.

i took 6 pills a day for perhaps 8 weeks, and currently i take 2 or 3. i think it's important to go through that "loading phase", but then you can taper off and still maintain results.

the capsules are reasonably sized and easy to take with a little water. and it's a whole food product, so you don't need to take it with a meal or anything.Excellent. :thumbsup:

As I shared above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107978-Joints-inflammation-and-all-that-stuff&p=1319402&viewfull=1#post1319402), I'm not experiencing any more knee problems. On Christmas Day, I went for my far most strenuous hike of 2019, and my knees were just fine — which was actually rather astonishing. So I'm more than totally grateful. (I know you know what I mean by gratitude! :flower: )

But I'm always on the lookout for more ways of optimizing, or preventing any further issues. I'm not 29 any more :), so my self-appointed challenge is to ensure I can do this kind of thing for many years to come.

[Mike]

Bill that's great to hear!:)

Those pics you post of your hikes are so beautiful and idyllic. It's wonderful that you're fit and able to tackle it all. I'm really envious of your back yard!

the knees are so crucial. obvious, i know, but maybe worth saying anyway. once mobility is lost, all sorts of other things start going wrong (like weight gain etc) that are only solvable by the very thing that is lost: mobility. a vicious circle.

i was quite worried about it, to be honest. my heart isn't in the best shape, and my great fear was being forced to go under anesthesia for a knee surgery and not waking up. it was a thought that plagued me daily.

now i never think about it. whew, what a delight it is. it just reinforced my belief that there are natural solutions to almost every health challenge. you just have to stick with it and keep trying stuff without getting discouraged.

i'm so pleased your knees feel strong, but it's always good to have a plan B and C should things change. or like you said, options to even further optimize things.

[onawah]

I messed my knee up years ago so bad that it hurt every time I took a step.
I still don't know exactly how I did it, but my knees were already challenged since my NDE in '72, after which I was kept in traction for months, with a pin through my leg just under the kneecap.
That was supposed to prevent the socket and femur from fusing, but it didn't.
The consequence being that my left leg was shorter than my right, so my right leg was constantly taking up the slack, and both knees were challenged.
When I later inflicted further damage on my right knee somehow, I was also in dread of having to get medical care again, which so often seems to backfire (at least, in my case).
I went to see a healer and he did some painful massage work on the cartilage in my knee, and then advised me that it wasn't going to get better unless I exercised it.
He said the best way to do that was to go to the beach and walk on the sand.
Fortunately, I lived in Santa Cruz, CA. at the time, so it was no problem finding a sandy beach to walk on.
I really had my doubts that was going to work--it just seemed too easy.
It hurt a lot, but walking on the soft sand really did the trick eventually.
It was kind of like stomping on grapes to make wine, lots of bending of the knee, and presumably that was what toughened up the muscles and straightened out the ligaments.
In any case, I never had to get knee surgery, and that was a blessing!

[pyrangello]

Working on a concrete floor everyday takes a beating on your body, I'm going to try those capsules , thanks for the lead.

[onawah]

The Great Diabetes Lie
JANUARY 2, 2020
https://anh-usa.org/the-great-diabetes-lie/

(More hyperlinks in the article)

"Many of us are told that the development of diabetes is a personal failure. New research shows us why this couldn’t be more wrong.
Action Alert!

Intriguing research into the diabetes epidemic has shed new light on the main drivers behind this disease. Conventional wisdom tells us that sugar consumption, lack of exercise, and obesity are behind the surge in diabetes. While these are contributing factors, new work in this area implicates environmental toxins as a far more important cause of diabetes, including chemicals like BPA and phthalates that are found in many everyday consumer goods. And while the evidence mounts demonstrating the toll these chemicals are taking on our health, the government is stubbornly refusing to do anything about it.

Joseph Pizzorno, ND, demonstrates that the rise in sugar consumption predated the diabetes epidemic by four decades, casting doubt on the idea that sugar is a primary causal factor in diabetes. The increased incidence of obesity is another common culprit, but Pizzorno argues that obesity is caused by the same things as diabetes: persistent organic pollutants (POPs). Pizzorno demonstrates that the rise in production of synthetic organic chemicals is closely aligned with the prevalence of diabetes.

Research has shown that, while obesity is linked with diabetes, the level of our exposure to toxins also has a dramatic impact. Obese people in the bottom 10% of toxin load do not have an increased risk of diabetes; 30% of lean people with a high toxin load will develop diabetes. These findings are a true testament to the havoc these chemicals are wreaking on the human body.

Pizzorno and his colleagues have been working to estimate the percentage of disease that is caused by POPs (you can read about their methodology here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4991654/). The results are stunning. According to their research, about 90% of diabetes cases could be attributed to the “massive increase in body load of toxins.” The worst chemicals are BPA (bisphenol A), arsenic, phthalates, PAH (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons).

How do POPs like BPA and arsenic cause diabetes? Arsenic, for example, decreases insulin production. BPA blocks insulin receptor sites and causes insulin resistance, which increases the risk of diabetes in addition to obesity.

The next question is how to avoid these chemicals. We’re exposed to arsenic mostly through our food and water. Pizzorno writes that 13 million Americans use public water that exceeds Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) limits for arsenic. Many water sources, both public and private, have not been tested. Dietary sources of arsenic include mushrooms, seafood, rice, and poultry.

ANH has written extensively about BPA. It is a chemical used in the production of certain plastics and is used in many consumer goods, such as food and drink packaging, cash register receipts, water bottles, implanted medical devices, and many more. Researchers have found BPA in 90% of Americans tested.

Although BPA is used widely in consumer goods, the FDA banned its use in baby bottles and infant formula packaging—though the agency said this wasn’t due to safety concerns, but because the chemical industry was simply no longer using BPA in its packaging for those products.

Recent information, however, shows that the FDA’s conclusion that BPA is safe is based on testing that dramatically underestimates https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(19)30381-X/fulltext the amount of BPA that we’re exposed to, throwing into question the federal government’s overall approach in determining the safe exposure level of all kinds of chemicals. Some experts estimate that safe levels of BPA are 20,000 times lower than the FDA’s limit.

To set a safe human exposure level for a chemical, industry and government scientist start by exposing lab animals to high doses of a chemical, incrementally reducing the dose until no ill effects are detected. They then round the last number down to create a “safe” exposure limit. The problem is that we’re learning that endocrine disruptors like BPA can have negative effects at extremely low doses. A small change in hormone concentration—the equivalent of one drop of water in 20 Olympic-sized swimming pools—is enough to have an effect on the human endocrine system, which could impact growth, metabolism, sleep, and other important bodily functions.

In fact, an investigation into the FDA’s treatment of BPA showed efforts to ignore evidence of harm, biased data interpretation, and sharp disagreements between FDA and health officials at the National Institutes of Health on the safety of BPA. https://www.ehn.org/how-much-bpa-in-our-bodies-2641524955.html?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1 The reporting concluded that “US regulators may be operating at the fringes of scientific integrity, possibly with the intent to keep the current testing and regulatory regime intact and to avoid scrutiny.”

Concern about the health risks of BPA led many companies to abandon the chemical and slap a “BPA-Free” sticker on their products, but as we’ve written previously, the alternatives are often close chemical relatives of BPA and are just as toxic. https://anh-usa.org/bpa-free-but-not-toxic-free/ ANH filed a Citizen’s Petition with the FDA to remove BPA from receipts, but the petition was denied.

Laboratory tests can help determine what our body load of these different POPs. Pizzorno writes that the most important and easily available is the γ-glutamyl transferase (GGT), also known as GGTP.

The best way to deal with these toxins is to avoid them as best we can. Other strategies for detoxification include increasing glutathione production, increasing dietary fiber, and toxin-specific interventions to prevent damage and facilitate detoxification. But avoidance is best; once in the body, these chemicals can be difficult to get rid of, as they store and accumulate in fat.

Given this alarming evidence, it is time to take meaningful steps to protect Americans from these exposures. An easy and exceedingly obvious step would be to ban BPA, something the FDA has so far appeared unwilling to do. When given the choice between stemming the diabetes epidemic and protecting the profits of the chemical industry, which do we think government agencies will choose?

To avoid BPA, remember that glass is best when it comes to food and drink containers, and cans are typically the worst—even those that say BPA-free!

Action Alert! Write to the FDA and demand they ban BPA and adjust how they evaluate safe exposure limits for chemicals. Please send your message immediately." https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3449

[Pam]

I find it amazing that people still throw the term 'FDA approved' around like it means something, like it is a valid seal of approval and now you can rest assured the product/drug is safe. There may be some integrity at the lowest levels of this crime syndicate but anyone that is relying on them to examine unbiased research and to make decisions based on the best interest of the people is living in a pipe dream.

[onawah]

Medical Psychology
https://drsircus.com/general/medical-psychology/
Published on January 21, 2020

"Medical Psychology, a field that ‘we will redefine, is typically seen as the application of psychological principles to the practice of medicine. However, in my new course Mindless Psychology, (coming soon) we are going to give equal air time to the application of Natural Allopathic Medicine to the practice of psychology and psychiatry. A comprehensive unified approach, rather than primarily drug-oriented one, is what is called for.

Things are bad enough and many of us feel it so the last thing anyone needs today is to be hurt further by others who dump their trips on us. This goes for medicine as well psychology and therapists. We can end up in the wrong doctors or therapists office and not get what we need or worse, get what we don’t need which can hurt and even kill us.

This course will lay out the foundations for proper medical care for mentally and emotionally compromised populations. Proper care starts with turning away from the pharmaceutical poison the patient paradigm to safe and effective natural medicines that can be concentrated just like they are in ICU and emergency departments. The new paradigm is safe, effective and does no harm.

There are many strong answers that can be given to patients on their first visit and those answers are universal. Establishing general needs is not difficult for the heart but the mind will argue forever over the simplest things. The mind fills itself up with all kinds of trips, that can be laid on others, but the heart tends to easily alight on truth and hold onto it like a dog holding onto a bone.

Medical psychology revolves around the idea that both the body and mind are one, indivisible structure. Continuing with this line of thought, all diseases whether of the mind or of the physical body must be treated as if they have both been effected.

“Medical psychology has historically been defined as the branch of psychology concerned with the application of psychological principles to the practice of medicine. Medical psychology shares with the fields of health psychology and behavioral medicine an interest in the ways in which biological, psychological, and social factors interact to influence health Encyclopedia of Behavioral Medicine


Over the last 30 years increasing evidence has been found for
the existence of complex links between the immune system,
the central nervous system and the endocrine system on
the one hand, and psychological phenomena…on the other.
Van Gent, et al.

In my many other published books I have redefined the practice of medicine. From ICU to home care, many are trying to escape from the mainstream pharmaceutical paradigm. In this volume we are going to reach escape velocity from the nasty drugs that psychiatrists are shoveling into mentally and emotionally compromised populations and replace them with concentrated nutritional medicines that are a thousands of times safer than pharmaceuticals.

Twenty-seven drug regulatory agency warnings cite psychiatric drug side effects of mania, psychosis, violence and homicidal ideation; 1,531 cases of psychiatric drug induced homicide/homicidal ideation have been reported to the US FDA; 65 high profile cases of mass shootings/murder have been committed by individuals under the influence of these drugs, (and the numbers have been increasing dramatically) yet there has never been a federal investigation into the link between seemingly senseless acts of violence and the use of mind-altering psychotropic drugs.

Personally I have no compassion for psychiatrists who will not look at safer alternatives. And now we have some clinical psychologists jumping on the pharmaceutical gravy train instead of using their intelligence to determine what their patients actually need, which are substances like magnesium, that help reset inflammation and stress while calming the entire nervous system.

Magnesium The Unseen Key


Magnesium deficiency causes serotonin-deficiency
with possible resultant aberrant behaviors,
including depression suicide or irrational violence.
Paul Mason
The Magnesium Librarian

And instead of pharmaceutical poisons, that drive mentally compromised individuals over the cliff into violence, suicide and even mass shootings, this book prescribes very strong natural medicines, many of which are used in the finest emergency rooms and intensive care centers, not only for physical problems but emotional and mental problems as well.

Even a mild deficiency of magnesium can cause increased
sensitivity to noise, nervousness, irritability, mental depression,
confusion, twitching, trembling, apprehension, and insomnia.

It is clear though that magnesium deficiency or imbalance plays a role in the symptoms of mood disorders. Observational and experimental studies have shown an association between magnesium and aggression[1],[2],[3],[4],[5] anxiety[6],[7],[8] ADHD[9],[10],[11],[12] bipolar disorder[13],[14] depression[15],[16],[17],[18] and schizophrenia [19],[20],[21],[22]. Patients who had made suicide attempts (by using either violent or nonviolent means) had significantly lower mean CSF magnesium level irrespective of the diagnosis.[23]

New research data adds to mounting evidence that depression is linked to an inflammatory response. Inflammation influences the quality of sleep, metabolism, stress response and the release of cytokines. Magnesium medicine is perfect for bringing down inflammation.

When magnesium levels become dramatically deficient we see symptoms
such as convulsions, gross muscular tremor, atheloid movements,
muscular weakness, vertigo, auditory hyperacusis, aggressiveness,
excessive irritability, hallucinations, confusion, and semicomma.

Though I started this book leaning into the spiritual and psychological side of myself and my work I cannot forget the medical side and how in the beginning of any work with a patient certain points have to be addressed. That should be as clear as a patient stopping breathing in ICU. Everything is off the table then and 100 percent of attention goes to re-initiating respiration. Breathing actually is a good place to start in every patients journey. ICU should teach us that, however we do not need to be in ICU to pay attention to our breath and how we breathe.

The faster you breathe the
less oxygen your cells get.

If we are breathing too fast and shallow we are going to have problems. Mental, emotional and physical problems. Whatever other interventions we might want to make nothing will really reverse the negative effects of too fast breathing. We can only slow it down to change or reverse the negative effects on our minds, emotions and bodies. Psychiatrists and clinical psychologists who prescribe dangerous drugs without paying attention to something as basic as breathing are dangerous.

Bicarbonates can compensate, in part, for too fast breathing, by replenishing the carbon dioxide that is being blow off too rapidly. Eventually we will need to see that CO2 (bicarbonate turns to CO2) is a medicine that can also be employed in psychiatric disorders.

The entire field of psychology, psychiatry and all branches of medicine should have received the message already that magnesium deficiency is at the root of a broad range of mental, emotional and physical disorders. Again it does not matter what any professional will do in terms of other treatments nothing stands in for magnesium medicine. A therapist can work for years with a patient but if that patient remains magnesium deficient they are not going to get better.

If magnesium is severely deficient, the brain is particularly affected. Clouded thinking, confusion, disorientation, marked depression and even the terrifying hallucinations of delirium are largely brought on by a lack of this nutrient and remedied when magnesium is administered. It is truly frightening to see that the vast majority of people are magnesium deficient, and often severely so.

Magnesium chloride is a nutritional medicine/supplement that doctors sometimes use when they are really desperate to save someone’s life in an emergency room or intensive care unit, but today people all over the world are simply splashing it on their bodies for transdermal absorption. Kind of like splashing on aftershave lotion, it stings a bit for some people but gets absorbed in through the skin quickly.

It really is astonishing that psychologists and psychiatrists remain mostly ignorant about magnesium as are cardiologists who let millions of patients die from cardiac arrest without lifting a finger to promote magnesium medicine.

Because magnesium is involved in so many processes in the body, once a deficiency develops, that deficiency can spiral out of control. A low magnesium level causes metabolic functions to decrease, causing further stress on the body, reducing the body’s ability to absorb and retain magnesium. A marginal deficiency can easily be transformed into a more significant problem when stressful events trigger additional magnesium loss. In the extreme situations, stressful events trigger sudden drops of serum magnesium, leading to cardiac arrest. Magnesium is considered the “anti-stress” mineral. It is a natural tranquilizer that functions to relax skeletal muscles as well as the smooth muscles of blood vessels and the gastrointestinal tract.

Magnesium offers a powerful way to treat depression; it helps us to better deal with stress because large amounts of magnesium are lost when a person is under stress. Anxiety and panic attacks are addressed by magnesium by keeping adrenal stress hormones under control so it really helps in dealing with stressful emergencies."

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[bettye198]

Gosh so many good responses! Inflammation occurs when the body cannot expel the toxins be it in the cell or in a disrupting situation at the wall of the cell. Toxins remain the roadblock to health as well as what can get into the cell that is worthy. Since we test nutritionally, when I am in joint crisis meaning when every joint is screaming, it is usually the kidneys that are not draining adequately. So kidney formulas are primary. Then we look at liver and elimination. How many of you go into an inflammatory crisis after eating high salt? I certainly do. Especially home cooked ham which is off my list. I agree with sugars as they are also a roadblock to health but not fruit. I agree with Bill going for fruit and some raw honey. When you are all inflammed, make muesli. Just chop fruit, some nuts, sunflower seeds, coconut, and juices of the orange. I will also eat goat yogurt from Trader Joes because it digests in 20 min not like cow yogurt that may take hours. I also agree with Tumeric in moderate doses. Black pepper must accompany Indian spices. I buy Vadham which is beyond good from the Indian gardens and has a revered following. Go on line and check it out. They have Ashwaghanda Tumeric powder which I add to my protein smoothies and their teas are exceptional. Overall, my recommendation is always to find a practitioner who can nutritionally test for Systemic Formulas (out of Utah). They carry the anti viral, anti fungal anti bacterial formulas we have used for decades and work at eliminating the toxins. In every case, back to drainage kidneys and liver must be attended. Peace!:flower:

[EFO]

Dr. John Bergman

Reversing Knee degeneration
(48:23 min.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMF4vXFqqpk

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I make a tea from thistle seeds. It cleanses the liver and detoxes the blood. It also has an antioxidant flavonoid called silymarin which boosts the immune system and fights DNA damage.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi there, Everyone: I've just been having an interesting experience I thought may be useful and even valuable to share.

In this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93672-Another-vicarious-adventure-and-another-Avalon-Cairn--for-the-Wawa-Grande-this-time-&p=1353191&viewfull=1#post1353191) (quite a long story there!) I described how I'd badly sprained my ankle while way out in the middle of nowhere. I've never ever done that before in all these years of often quite serious mountaineering, very often on my own.

I felt it go crunch inside (Ouch!! :facepalm: ), and I knew immediately:


I mustn't take my boot off, or I might never be able to get it back on again.
I had to walk as fast as possible AND NOT STOP until I managed to get myself home. (I was about 2 miles from my house.) That's because I knew I had a "window" of about an hour before it got so swollen and painful I might not be able to walk at all.

Long story short, I successfully got home, where I was shuffling about the house really slowly and gingerly — like Tom Moore, the 99 year old British Army Veteran who did 100 laps of his garden on his zimmer frame (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52269398) to raise $16 million for the Health Service. (And kudos to him, too. :highfive: )

So I was dismayed, and was bracing myself to be out of action for maybe 4-6 weeks. (Aargh!) But here's what I did, and this might be the useful info for anyone else — just maybe.


I did some reading, and made the decision NOT to ice it. There are only a few articles that advise NOT to ice a sprain: 98% of them say that's what you have to do immediately.

But I asked my body, and it told me: "No Ice. The inflammation is there to heal it." (This is the same principle as NOT reducing a fever when one has a virus, unless it's dangerously high and out of control.)



I applied homeopathic cream, every couple hours. It contains arnica, but also a bunch of other stuff (see below). I had several remedies to choose from (including straight 100% arnica cream), but again my body told me: "This one. PLEASE."

So here's what I used:

https://amazon.com/Topricin-Relief-Therapy-Acting-Relieving/dp/B00HF4T0IW

http://projectavalon.net/Topricin.jpg

Ingredients: Arnica Montana 6X, Echinacea 6X, Aesculus 6X, Ruta Graveolens 6X, Lachesis 8X, Rhus Tox 6X Belladonna 6X, Crotalus 8X, Heloderma 8X, Naja 8X, Graphites 6X.

After 3 (three!) days I'm now walking normally with no pain. It's still a little tender, but I can balance on my sprained-ankle leg all on its own with no problem.

Just now, I put my boots on again and repeated my daily one-mile-round trip hike with my dog (who was delighted! :bigsmile: ), along and up a rough track with stones, tree roots, mud, and all the rest.

That's an important stress-test, because when walking on rough ground all the ligaments have to do their push-pull balancing work rather like the rotors on a quadcopter drone. And I'm not 29 any more, :) so I have to keep active to keep in shape. It won't happen all on its own. I can't just sit and do nothing for a month.

Summary: this was such a miraculous rapid healing that I could literally barely believe it. Literally. I thought I'd be limping painfully for weeks. I'm certain it was the homeopathic Topricin cream that did its wonder job.

Tomorrow, I'll repeat the hike with a light pack, and then gradually increase the weight every day. I know it'll be fine now. And if this little story is of ANY value to even one person out there, I'll be more than delighted.
:happy dog:

[onawah]

Thanks Bill. I wish I had known about it several months ago when I sprained my ankle, but will remember that for future reference.
I also didn't want to ice it, just stayed off it as much as possible for the better part of a week.
Excruciating pain even just taking one step on it right away in my case though, and if I'd been in the mountains, I would have had to crawl home.

[Perdido]

You should try Systemic Enzymes.. for Inflammation .. I suggest Vitalzym.. but there are various ones..

[leavesoftrees]

Summary: this was such a miraculous rapid healing that I could literally barely believe it. Literally. I thought I'd be limping painfully for weeks. I'm certain it was the homeopathic Topricin cream that did its wonder job.

Tomorrow, I'll repeat the hike with a light pack, and then gradually increase the weight every day. I know it'll be fine now. And if this little story is of ANY value to even one person out there, I'll be more than delighted.
:happy dog:

Watch out you keep away from that neighbour. I think you picked up something from him!

[Bill Ryan]

You should try Systemic Enzymes.. for Inflammation .. I suggest Vitalzym.. but there are various ones..Thanks! Yes, I've been taking that already. :thumbsup:

[wttah]

For all the seers and dowsers here.

Try checking for measles (virus) as causative of arthritis.

Like chicken pox is causative for shingles.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

What works for dogs? My Yellow Lab, Frodo, is 12 years old. He is getting Glucosamine now.

[Bill Ryan]

Does Topricin cream work for dogs?It's homeopathic, so I can't imagine it can do any harm. But ask them!


https://topricin.com/pages/contact

[Strat]

What are yalls thoughts on Tiger Balm?

Also, does anyone here have experience with massaging? I want to massage a knee in particular but I don't know of any proper technique.

Oh and Bill I think what the guy was saying to you was the legendary 'busted ankle curse' (har har).

[Jayke]

What are yalls thoughts on Tiger Balm?

Also, does anyone here have experience with massaging? I want to massage a knee in particular but I don't know of any proper technique.

Oh and Bill I think what the guy was saying to you was the legendary 'busted ankle curse' (har har).

I was given a tiger balm oil in liquid form when I went to a Chinese acupuncturist. Its soothing to massage in but I haven’t found it to be particularly curative.

Smashwerx channel has some great mobility drills/self massage type techniques you can do for yourself. He explains the biomechanics of how all the joints work together so you can target specific muscles.

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If pain keeps returning to the area after frequently doing mobility drills, it’s probably an imbalance or tightness in the fascia somewhere else in the body, and the knees are forced into a compensatory pattern. In which case just constantly pounding the mobility drills can actually make things worse long term. Look for a ‘structural integration’ therapist or ‘rolfer/myofascial release’ expert to help identify how silent postural imbalances in the body could be putting the knees into a stressed position.

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Personally, I couldn’t find a structural integration therapist in my area when I was dealing with chronic neck and shoulder pain, so had to find other methods of releasing the fascia, turns out Qi-gong (https://www.whitetigerqigong.com/qigong/), Tai chi and Nei gong (https://www.energyarts.com/energy-gates-qigong-online-training-program/) etc are designed to loosen the fascia of the body for overall health, wellness and mobility.

There is an easier and shortcut method that works really well though, biomagnet circuit therapy (https://biomagscience.net/health-conditions/knee/) helps kick-start your body to rapidly repair and rejuvenate the cells, which can help regrow cartilage and relax the muscles (or even send cancer into remission in some cases).

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[DeeMetrios]

Coconut Oil is a miracle liquid , should be in everyone's first aid chest .
I been using it for a few days on a sore elbow & its fantastic .

[Sarah Rainsong]

What are yalls thoughts on Tiger Balm?

Also, does anyone here have experience with massaging? I want to massage a knee in particular but I don't know of any proper technique.

Oh and Bill I think what the guy was saying to you was the legendary 'busted ankle curse' (har har).

Tiger Balm is great stuff! Highly aromatic and cooling, so depending on what you need, that could be great! But everyone within a 10 mile radius will know you're wearing the stuff. :bigsmile:

I think it's one of those things that tends to offer immediate relief rather than long term repair. And you can use too much and end up with camphor poisoning.

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting article in the London Daily Mail:


https://dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7554185/Humans-REGROW-cartilage-joints.html

Humans can REGROW cartilage in joints and doctors say the discovery could lead to treatments for osteoarthritis

9 October, 2020

Cartilage is slow to repair and its break down leads to osteoarthritis
Scientists have discovered how proteins in the tissue are created
The process is similar to that of salamanders, lizard-like amphibians

Humans possess a salamander-like ability to regrow cartilage in joints, contrary to popular belief.

Researchers have found potent molecules in the body which encourage the growth of new proteins in the connective tissue.

The process is similar to that of salamanders, lizard-like amphibians famed for their remarkable ability to recover from damage to their body.

Scientists hope the 'inner salamander' may lead to treatments for osteoarthritis, a painful condition that is currently incurable.

The findings could even pave the way for treatments which help a human grow their own limb back after injury, the Duke University scientists said.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/09/12/19488086-7554185-image-a-12_1570620508600.jpg
Salamanders are able to regrow limbs and tissues which have been destroyed

Cartilage that covers bones is worn down in osteoarthritis patients over the years, resulting in the bones rubbing against each other.

Cartilage repair is currently very limited because injuries are difficult to heal due to there being no blood supply to the tissue.

Treatment for osteoarthritis, which affects around nine million people in the UK and 30million in the US, revolve around lifestyle changes to relieve pain.

Experts believe a superficial boost of the molecules may speed recovery in patients, preventing the thinning of cartilage and therefore reducing joint pain.

The proteins are produced at different speeds in hips, knees and ankles, which may explain why osteoarthritis (OA) is most common in hips.

Dr Ming-Fend Hsueh and his team looked at the age of proteins in collagen - a main component of cartilage - in 18 tissue samples of people with OA.

They were able to spot which proteins were new by looking at how many amino acid conversions they had - the more there are, the older the protein is.

The findings, published in the medical journal Science Advances, showed the age of cartilage largely depended on where it was in the body.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/09/17/19500556-7554185-image-a-33_1570637435414.jpg

Scientists then found molecules called microRNA drive the creation of new proteins inside human cartilage - the same as in animals. MicroRNA works by silencing a messenger RNA, which then inhibits new collagen production by controlling gene expression

WHAT ARE THE MOST EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS FOR KNEE OSTEOARTHRITIS?

The five most effective short-term pain-relievers for knee oestoarthritis (OA) are, in order:


Cortisone injections
Ibuprofen
Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) injections
Naproxen
Celecoxib

Yet, naproxen is the best overall remedy to both improve joint function and minimise discomfort.

Hyaluronic acid (HA) injections appear to be relatively ineffective at relieving pain or boosting knee function in OA sufferers.

The research was carried out by the non-profit health system Dartmouth-Hitchcock, New England.

Cartilage from the ankle is young, whereas the connective tissue is older in the knee and oldest in the hips.

It could explain why those with knee and hip joint injuries face the longest road of recovery, while those with ankle injuries spring back quickly.

This correlation between the age of human cartilage and its location in the body also reflects certain animals, including zebrafish, African fresh water fish and lizards.

They regenerate limbs at faster rates at the furthest tips, including the ends of their legs or tails.

Scientists then found molecules called microRNA drive the creation of new proteins inside human cartilage - the same as in animals.

MicroRNAs are found in higher levels in animals that are known for limb, fin or tail repair, such as salamanders.

Again, the microRNA activity varied significantly by its location - it was highest in ankles, compared to knees and hips.

MicroRNA works by silencing a messenger RNA, which then inhibits new collagen production by controlling gene expression.

Discussing the discovery that cartilage can be regrown in joints, Dr Hsueh said: 'We call it our "inner salamander" capacity.

'We were excited to learn the regulators of regeneration in the salamander limb appear to also be the controllers of joint tissue repair in the human limb.'

Senior author Dr Virginia Byers Kraus said: 'We believe that an understanding of this "salamander-like" regenerative capacity in humans, and the critically missing components of this regulatory circuit, could provide the foundation for new approaches to repair joint tissues and possibly whole human limbs.

'We believe we could boost these regulators to fully regenerate degenerated cartilage of an arthritic joint.

'If we can figure out what regulators we are missing compared with salamanders, we might even be able to add the missing components back and develop a way someday to regenerate part or all of an injured human limb.

'We believe this is a fundamental mechanism of repair that could be applied to many tissues, not just cartilage.'

[Anka]

This is a fairly informative and extremely complete thread, I have read so far and some of what I used two weeks ago are already mentioned.
I now use cannabis oil mixed with a cream for veterinary use (to treat bruises on horses and dogs) and a cream with a high concentration of crude oil (petroleum), produced locally.
In fact, they are just extracted elements and components, a kind of treatment that chooses a fraction from the distillation of oil caught in the temperature range of 100-150 ° C. At a higher temperature, the healing elements evaporate and the oil can have a detrimental effect on the blood.
The best proved to be is the oil used in the past for gas lamps, not knowing how to translate the entire extraction process.

But the leaflet mentions only petroleum, and some plants such as "Tamus communis". However, I use it four times a day, in my case, the bearable pain disappears for a few good hours, sometimes until the next day.
I don't know if I was helpful, but I'm impressed with the cream for animal use is good for me, as maybe also for them , for they are also little "humans"...:happy dog:

[Ravenlocke]

Hello Everyone,
I don’t know if this has been mentioned here and if it has please disregard my suggestion.
When my husband has severe aches in his wrist or knee I use a castor oil pack on him. It seems to work...he had a really painful knee pain three weeks ago. He had to keep resting his leg straight and at nighttime he couldn’t sleep sideways without a pillow between his legs. I had almost forgotten about the castor oil pack so I didn’t do it till the next evening.
I just warm up the castor oil container in hot water and then put some on a piece of flannel or cotton put it on the side of the knee where it hurts and bandage. My husband slept good that night and didn’t need a pillow between his legs.
He was so impressed that the pain had subsided, and within another day of keeping an oil pack bandaged to his knee the pain was gone.
I also use it for clearing up swellings and bruises.
I hope this helps and if it’s been covered already then please delete this message.
Love and Goodwill to all.

[Spellbound]

I had knee surgery back in 2018 to remove my meniscus in my right knee. Afterward during my followup appt with the surgeon, I was told I have stage 2 arthritis in that knee that can only be managed (not treated). As such, I now take daily doses of glucosamine (in addition to the other bevy of vitamins).

Hope this helps.

Dave - Toronto

[Denise/Dizi]

:thumbsup: :bump: :bump: :bump: :thumbsup:


First I want to note, I have an auto immune disease, and as such, inflammation makes the disease progress quickly...

While I went to a traditional neurologist originally for treatment, I had a naturalpath Dr. tell me what he believed would help... So I will share those things,

Pycnogenol
DMAE
Co-Q 10
and open celled Chlorella - blue green algae

I stopped taking these things, for financial reasons at the time, But coming across this thread has reminded me how much my body thrived when I took them. So much so, that I plan to restart it..

Those four things not only purged my body of toxins, (and it was note worhy)..

I want to say, these things made me feel better than anything my neurologist ever gave me... And better than I had felt in years. It was remarkable.

I have since added more such as the tumeric as noted on many posts here.. And plan to check out the other suggestions that will fit into my new routine... THANK YOU FOR THE THREAD BILL!

[onawah]

Turmeric is often recommended for pain and inflammation for people who don't want to take pills (also a good immune booster).
I've been taking turmeric supplements containing black pepper to make it easier to assimilate for awhile, but the pepper gives me indigestion.
I recently discovered that fermented turmeric is easier to assimilate, and it's easy to make it at home, so much cheaper than supplements (and probably more effective).

Here's more info and a recipe from: http://www.dvo.com/newsletter/weekly/2020/4-10-489/cooknart3.html

"To enhance turmeric’s immune-boosting wallop, ferment it. In five minutes of your time (plus two days to ferment), you can create a base for a month’s supply of tasty and healing fermented turmeric tea.

Best known for its characteristic bright orange-yellow color and as a signature ingredient in curry, turmeric is the small rhizome (root) of a ginger relative. It has a musky aroma and a flavor that is both slightly astringent and bitter. The active ingredient in turmeric, curcumin, quells inflammation, supports digestion, deactivates carcinogens and prevents the release of histamines in the stomach, which counteracts food allergies. Turmeric also has antiseptic, antifungal and antibacterial properties.

Studies show turmeric isn’t always easily absorbed and that people with compromised health aren’t able to fully utilize its active ingredients (curcumin and other curcuminoids). So here’s another reason to ferment it: this process makes it easier to assimilate its medicinal properties. A study published in the International Journal of Food Science and Technology found that the antioxidant power of turmeric increases when it is fermented. Fermentation not only concentrates the curcuminoids but also mitigates its bitter flavor.

You can ferment either fresh or dried turmeric to make a turmeric concentrate that can be stirred into tea. Dried turmeric, which has been cooked and cured, has a milder flavor and aroma than fresh.

Fresh turmeric is pricy, but a little goes a long way. Look for rhizomes that are crisp and evenly colored. They’ll keep at home for several weeks in the refrigerator. When using dried turmeric, purchase organic turmeric from a reputable source, as nonorganic turmeric may be adulterated.

This turmeric tea base recipe is such that you can use either dried or fresh turmeric, or a combination of both.

Fermented Turmeric Tea Base
Ingredients:

1/2 cup fresh turmeric or 1/3 cup ground turmeric
2 tablespoons raw honey
2 tablespoons freshly squeezed lemon juice
1/2 teaspoon lemon zest
1 ounce fresh ginger grated (optional)

Directions:
If using fresh turmeric, finely grate it (there’s no need to remove its soft skin). Place the fresh or dried turmeric in a pint jar. Add the honey, lemon juice, lemon zest and ginger, if using, and stir. Note: Initially the honey will not easily mix in, but in an hour or so it readily softens and dissolves on its own. Cover and let rest for a few hours. Stir to blend the ingredients and taste just a little to get a sense of its intense, pre-fermented flavor.
Cover loosely and leave on the counter for 48 hours to ferment. When ready, the flavors will be tangy and bitter; the fresh turmeric tea base will also be lively and sprightly. The consistency of the fresh will be like marmalade and the dried will be like peanut butter. Refrigerated, the base will hold for several months.
To make a tea or a tonic from the fresh turmeric base, place a rounded teaspoon into a tea ball or in a strainer and steep for several minutes. If using the base made from dried turmeric, stir a scant teaspoon into hot water or a tea of your choice and drink. By using hot, rather than boiling water, the living enzymes will remain vital.


If possible, do try to buy fresh turmeric. It contains more turmeric oil, antioxidants, and nutrients compared to the powdered form. And fresh turmeric can be frozen for up to a couple months without any loss of benefits. Obviously, you want to use it as fast as you can. One way to use it up quickly it to put a ½-inch chunk in your morning smoothies.

Finally, to learn more about the healing powers of turmeric and the best brands of turmeric supplements, I recommend Turmeric for Health (www.turmericforhealth.com) a site dedicated only to the rhizome. Any product they recommend must be certified organic, be a reputable brands, receive outstanding customer reviews, must be safe to use, and easy to find and purchase."

[Brigantia]

I've just come across this thread, so I don't know if collagen has been mentioned...

A year ago I was seconded to another job that involves hard physical work and some kneeling, and it was killing my knee joints. A friend offered to hook me up to her biofeedback machine and the results were astonishingly accurate about my medical history.

She said that I was lacking collagen, probably from not eating meat as meat eaters get sufficient collagen through that source, so I found a vegan collagen supplement and have been taking it ever since, twice a day. The results have been amazing and my joints have never been better.

[wondering]

Ravenlocke, I think this treatment is specifically recommended by Edgar Cayce, and in fact I believe there is a type of castor oil recommended on his site, although apparently not required. Thanks for the reminder. Diane

[Ravenlocke]

Ravenlocke, I think this treatment is specifically recommended by Edgar Cayce, and in fact I believe there is a type of castor oil recommended on his site, although apparently not required. Thanks for the reminder. Diane
Yes thank you Diane for mentioning this because I did adopt this from reading about it in an Edgar Cayce book many years ago. I don’t go to his site but I do use a non gmo, vegan, cold pressed, solvent free etc castor oil (Ricinus communis).
It’s made by a company called Home Health and the bottle comes with directions on how to make a castor oil pack.
You can look at the bottle online here
https://www.iherb.com/pr/Home-Health-Castor-Oil-8-fl-oz-237-ml/85822?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqJ20irmX8AIVNCCtBh0yBwJaEAQYByABEgJjtvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[ian33]

https://gfreefoodie.com/nettle-tea-remedy-for-the-gluten-free

..my old dog was struggling to get in the car and walking not easy. I started putting nettle leaf in her meat and veg stew I give her...she is now leaping into the car like she was 2 years ago before starting to deteriorate..she is well pleased with herself, good to see..I am taking for my autoimmune arthritis, and noticeable improvement...

[ian33]

What works for dogs? My Yellow Lab, Frodo, is 12 years old. He is getting Glucosamine now.
..see my post on nettles..my 14yo collie, lady, is so much happier now...good luck with frodo

[TrueNorth4]

Good article Thank you

[ian33]

http://emfharmonized.com/the-science/
just ordered to try out...found through avalon post
http://www.shieldyourbody.com/emf-autoimmune-disease/

[Sue (Ayt)]

https://gfreefoodie.com/nettle-tea-remedy-for-the-gluten-free

..my old dog was struggling to get in the car and walking not easy. I started putting nettle leaf in her meat and veg stew I give her...she is now leaping into the car like she was 2 years ago before starting to deteriorate..she is well pleased with herself, good to see..I am taking for my autoimmune arthritis, and noticeable improvement...

Ian33 - I wanted to thank you for this hint here about nettles and arthritis pain. My knees have improved so much since I followed your lead. It also is helping my husband's aches and pains.
I found a big bag of dried nettle on Amazon for 9.99 with great reviews (search Organic Nettle Leaf | Herbal Tea )
The tea is not bad, but since I am a coffee drinker, I've been also adding it to the ground coffee when I brew it, and also adding it to regular iced tea when I make that. (can't even taste the difference.)
For years, we've been adding green tea in our coffee brewing, just because it isn't something we would regularly drink otherwise - any way to get it into us regularly!
But nettle really does seem to work wonders!

PS - Our dog hopped into the car by herself for the first time in over a year yesterday to our great surprise. She is almost 15 years old.

[mojo]

Wow! A thread on my next issue, Bill, you ole CIA Sandbagger... :)

[Marianne]

It’s great to see the info on nettles. It is a powerhouse plant. If I had just one herb, it would be nettles.

I have a recipe to make your own arthritis rub, to relieve pain and reduce inflammation.

ARTHRITIS RUB
5 drops ginger essential oil
5 drops black pepper essential oil
5 drops orange essential oil
5 drops frankincense essential oil

Place the drops into a 1 ounce glass bottle. Fill the bottle to the shoulder with extra virgin olive oil. Cap the bottle and tip to mix. Apply topically as needed.

Safety: essential oils are very strong. Keep away from children and pets. If you are pregnant, consult a professional before using essential oils.