St Thomas

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

– Thomas 1


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[Valerie Villars]

I love the Gospel of Thomas. I love Jesus.

[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: “How should we eat? How should we pray? Should we tithe?”

Jesus said: “Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because heaven knows, all shall be revealed, and nothing covered up will remain secret.”

– Thomas 6


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[Bill Ryan]

Here's The Gospel of Thomas:


http://projectavalon.net/The_Gospel_of_Thomas.pdf

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Those who seek should not stop until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, they will reign over all, and then they will rest."

– Thomas 2


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "I will give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has never arisen in the human heart."

– Thomas 17


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Blessed is he who came into being before coming into being. If you pay attention, these stones will serve you.

There are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death."

– Thomas 19


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The person long in years won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life; that person will live.

For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one."

– Thomas 4


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "A wise fisherman cast his net into the sea and drew it up full of little fish. Among them he discovered a fine large fish. He threw all the little fish back into the sea, and easily chose the large fish. Anyone with two good ears will hear!"

– Thomas 8


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "People think I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.

There will be five in a house: there will be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."

– Thomas 16


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[greybeard]

Thanks for this Bluegreen with the accompanying pictures.
Thanks also to Bill for the link.
Chris

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Love your friends like your own soul, protect them like the pupil of your eye."

– Thomas 25


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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: "Show us the place where you are, for we must seek it."

Jesus said: "Anyone with two ears will listen! There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, all is dark."

– Thomas 24


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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: "Tell us what the kingdom is like."

Jesus said: "It is like a mustard seed, the smallest of all seeds, but when it falls on prepared soil, it produces a large plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."

– Thomas 20



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[DaveToo]

The spiritual collides with the musical...


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: ”I have cast fire upon the world. Watch me. I'm guarding it til it blazes.”

– Thomas 10



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The sower went out and scattered a handful of seeds. Some fell on the road, and the birds gathered them. Others fell on rock, and didn't take root. Others fell on thorns, choked the seeds and worms ate them. Others fell on good soil, and produced a fine crop: sixty per measure and one hundred twenty per measure."

– Thomas 9



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.

The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

– Thomas 11


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "You see the sliver in your friend's eye, but you don't see the wood in your own. Take the wood out of your own eye, then you can see."

– Thomas 26



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples: "These nursing babies are like those who enter the kingdom."

The disciples said: "Shall we be as babies to enter the kingdom?"

Jesus said: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom."

– Thomas 22



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Do not concern yourselves from morning to night with what you wear.”

– Thomas 36


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "I shall choose you, one from a thousand and two from ten thousand, and they will stand as a single one."

– Thomas 23



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The pharisees and scribes have taken the keys of knowledge and hidden them. They have not entered nor have they allowed anyone to do so.

As for you, be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

– Thomas 39



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[Bluegreen]

Mary said to Jesus: “What are your disciples like?”
 
Jesus said: “They are like little children living in a field that is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Give our field back to us.' The children take off their clothes in front of them to give it back, and they return their field to them.

So I say, if the owner of a house knows that a thief is coming, he will be on guard before the thief arrives and will not let the thief break into his house and steal his possessions.

As for you, be on guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength, or the thieves will find a way to reach you, for the trouble you expect will come. Let there be among you one who understands.

When the crop ripened, the reaper came quickly with sickle in hand and harvested it. Anyone with two ears will hear!"

– Thomas 21


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “If your leaders say, 'Look, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they say, 'It’s in the sea,' then the fish will precede you.

The kingdom is inside you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you dwell in poverty, and you are that poverty."

– Thomas 3


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “If the blind lead the blind, they both fall into a hole.”

– Thomas 34


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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: "Who are you to say these things to us?"

Jesus said: "You don't understand who I am from what I say, rather, you have become like the Jews. They love the tree but hate the fruit, or love the fruit but hate the tree."

– Thomas 43



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Be passersby."

– Thomas 42



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “What you will hear in your ear, in the other ear proclaim from the rooftops. No one lights a candle and puts it under a basket. You put it on a stand so all can see the light."

– Thomas 33



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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: "Twenty-four prophets have spoken in Israel, and they all spoke of you."

Jesus said: "You disregard the living one, and speak of the dead."

– Thomas 52



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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: "Is circumcision useful or not?"

Jesus said: "If it were useful, the father would produce children already circumcised from the mother. Instead, the true circumcision in spirit has become quite profitable."

– Thomas 53


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said, "How miserable is the body that depends on a body, and how miserable is the soul that depends on these two."

– Thomas 87


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said, "Why have you come here? To see a reed shaken by the wind? And to see a person dressed in soft clothes, like your rulers and your powerful ones? They are dressed in soft clothes, and they cannot understand the truth."

– Thomas 78


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Foxes have their dens and birds have their nests, but the human child has no place to rest."

– Thomas 86


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear!"

– Thomas 84



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Two will recline on a couch; one will die, one will live."

Salome said: "Who are you mister? You have climbed onto my couch and eaten from my table as if you are from someone."

Jesus said: "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was given from the things of my father."

Salome said: "I am your student."

Jesus said: "For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness."

– Thomas 61



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Don't you understand that the one who made the inside is also the one who made the outside?"

– Thomas 89


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[Carmody]

Must be a disaffected college student's kitchen in that last shot. Look in the plate in the bottom right. See what looks like weed and half joint.

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Blessed be the poor, for the kingdom belongs to you.”

– Thomas 54


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being of its own accord, established itself, and appeared in their image.'

If they say, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the elect of the living father.'

If they ask, 'What is the evidence of your father in you?' say, 'It is motion and rest.'"

– Thomas 50



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[Matthew]

Rastafarianism is an Abrahamic religion, but the title of this article is slightly misleading in context, since St. Thomas here is a location.

The Rastafarians of St. Thomas, Jamaica [pics]
By Kevin Garrison, Jan 30, 2014

https://matadornetwork.com/notebook/the-rastafarians-of-st-thomas-jamaica-pics/

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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Whoever is near me is near the fire, and whoever is far from me is far from the kingdom."

– Thomas 82


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Come to me, for my yoke is comfortable and my mastery gentle, and you will find rest for yourselves."

– Thomas 90



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Lord, there are many around the drinking trough, but there is nothing in the well."

– Thomas 74


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."

– Thomas 67


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[Bluegreen]

The disciples showed Jesus a gold coin and said: "The emperor's people demand taxes from us."

Jesus said: "Give the emperor what belongs to the emperor, give God what belongs to God, and give me what is mine."

– Thomas 100


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "There was a rich person who had a great deal of money. He said, 'I shall invest more money so that I may sow, reap, plant, and fill my storehouses, that I may lack for nothing.' These were the things he was thinking in his heart, but that very night he died. Whoever has ears will listen!"

– Thomas 63



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "A person was receiving guests. When he had prepared the dinner, he sent his slave to invite the guests.

The slave went to the first and said to that one, 'My master invites you.' That one said, 'Some merchants owe me money; they are coming to me tonight. I must go and give instructions. Please excuse me from dinner.'

The slave went to another and said to that one, 'My master has invited you.' That one said, 'I have bought a house, and I have been called away for a day. I shall have no time.'

The slave went to another and said to that one, 'My master invites you.' That one said, 'My friend is to be married, and I am to arrange the banquet. I shall not be able to come. Please excuse me from dinner.'

The slave went to another and said, 'My master invites you.' That one said, 'I have bought an estate, and I am going to collect the rent. I shall not be able to come. Please excuse me.'

The slave returned and said to his master, 'Those whom you invited to dinner have asked to be excused.' The master said to his slave, 'Go out on the streets and bring back whomever you find to have dinner.'

Buyers and merchants will not enter the places of my father."

– Thomas 64



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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: “Tell us how we will end.”

Jesus said: “Since you have discovered the beginning, why do you seek the end?

For where the beginning is, there will be the end.

Blessed is he who will stand at the beginning and shall know the end; he will not taste death.”

– Thomas 18



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass is superior to the world."

– Thomas 56



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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: “Tell us who you are so that we may believe in you.”

Jesus said: “You examine the face of heaven and earth, but you have not come to know the one who is in your presence, and you do not know how to examine the present moment.”

– Thomas 91



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “The kingdom is like a woman who was carrying a jar full of meal. While she was walking along a distant road, the handle of the jar broke and the meal spilled behind her. She did not know it and noticed no problem. When she reached her house she put the jar down and found it empty.”

– Thomas 97



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The kingdom is like a person who wanted to kill someone powerful. While still at home he drew his sword and thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in. Then he killed the powerful person."

– Thomas 98



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Blessed are you when hated and persecuted, and no place will be found, wherever persecuted.”

– Thomas 68



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you.

If you have nothing within you, what you do not have will kill you.”

– Thomas 70



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Do not give what is holy to dogs. They might throw them on the manure pile.

Do not throw pearls to swine. They might make mud out of it.”

– Thomas 93



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[Bluegreen]

A woman said to Jesus: “Blessed be the womb that bore you and the breasts that fed you.”

Jesus said: “Blessed be those who have heard the word of the father and kept it. Days will come when you will say, 'Blessed be the womb that has not conceived and the breasts that have not given milk.'”

– Thomas 79



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Blessed are those who have been persecuted in their hearts; they truly know the father.

Blessed are those who go hungry, so the stomach of the one in want may be filled."

– Thomas 69



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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said to Jesus: “When will the dead rest? When will the new world come?”

Jesus said: “What you are looking for has already arrived, but you do not see it.”

– Thomas 51



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[Bluegreen]

A person said to Jesus: "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me."

Jesus said: "Mister, who made me a divider?"

He turned to his disciples and said: "I'm not a divider, am I?"

– Thomas 72


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[Words of Joy]

Powerfull stuff. Good to read it again. Some of these quotes are not in the bible. It's the first book I read about Jesus. It was an important step to decide to read that book. There was so much to ponder about. And oh how things have changed. For the better! :)

Thanks for posting Bluegreen

[justntime2learn]

I was married in St. Thomas of Aquinas, Catholic Church in 1991.

I feel this has relevance here, but it's just a feeling.


Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God.”
‭‭III John‬ ‭1:11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "No prophet is welcome on his home turf. Doctors don't cure those who know them."

– Thomas 31


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[Bluegreen]

The disciples said: “When will you appear to us? When will we see you?”

Jesus said: “When you strip naked without shame and jump up and down on your clothing just as little children, then you will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid.”

– Thomas 37


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "I took my stand in the midst of the world, and in the flesh I appeared to them. I found them all drunk, and I did not find any of them thirsty. My soul ached for the children of humanity, because they are blind in their hearts and do not see, for they came into the world empty, and they also seek to depart from the world empty.

Meanwhile, they are drunk. When they shake off their wine, then they will change their ways."

– Thomas 28


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven. Whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven. But whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, neither on earth nor in heaven.”

– Thomas 44


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Show me the stone the builders rejected. That is the cornerstone.”

- Thomas 66


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "A man owned a vineyard and rented it to some farmers, so they could work it in return for a portion of the produce. He sent his slave to collect his portion of the vineyard's crop. The farmers grabbed him, beat him, and almost killed him. The slave returned and told his master, who said, 'Perhaps he didn't know them.' He sent another slave, and the farmers beat that one as well.

Then the master sent his son and said, 'Perhaps they'll show my son some respect.' Because they were aware he would inherit the vineyard, the farmers grabbed the son and killed him. Anyone here with two ears will listen!"

– Thomas 65


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “If you have money, don't lend it at interest. Rather, give it to someone from whom you won't get it back."

– Thomas 95


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Know what is in front of your face, and all shall be revealed.”

– Thomas 5


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Blessed are those who have labored and found life.”

– Thomas 58


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[Orph]

Jesus said: “If you have money, don't lend it at interest. Rather, give it to someone from whom you won't get it back.

And on the eighth day God created alimony.

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Grapes are not harvested from thorn trees, nor figs picked from thistles. They yield no fruit.

A good person brings forth good from the storehouse, but a bad person brings forth evil things from the corrupt storehouse in the heart, and says evil things. From the abundance of the heart, such a person brings forth evil."

– Thomas 45


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “If two can make peace in a single house, they can say to a mountain, 'Move,' and the mountain will move."

– Thomas 48


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "If the flesh came into being because of the spirit, it is a wonder, but if the spirit came into being because of the flesh, it is a wonder of wonders.

Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty."

– Thomas 29


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “He who does not hate his father and mother cannot be a disciple of mine, and he who does not hate his brothers and sisters and bear his cross as I do, will not be worthy of me.”

– Thomas 55


http://cdn.dollsofindia.com/images/p/christian-posters/canvas-poster-DR49_l.jpg

[Valerie Villars]

Jesus said: "If the flesh came into being because of the spirit, it is a wonder, but if the spirit came into being because of the flesh, it is a wonder of wonders.

Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty."

– Thomas 29


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FL5XdMVcnVY/hqdefault.jpg

Basquiat! Jean -Michel. 12/22. :)

[rgray222]

Hi Bluegreen

I would be interested in getting your interpretation of a few of these parables. I am genuinely interested to hear how you (or anyone else) would put these into simple language in today's world. If you don't want to or don't feel it is necessary that's fine but I would love to hear what people are thinking when they read these quotes. I have enjoyed viewing and reading this thread. I have listed a couple below that I am most curious about but choose any that you wish.
R


Jesus said: "A man owned a vineyard and rented it to some farmers, so they could work it in return for a portion of the produce. He sent his slave to collect his portion of the vineyard's crop. The farmers grabbed him, beat him, and almost killed him. The slave returned and told his master, who said, 'Perhaps he didn't know them.' He sent another slave, and the farmers beat that one as well.

Then the master sent his son and said, 'Perhaps they'll show my son some respect.' Because they were aware he would inherit the vineyard, the farmers grabbed the son and killed him. Anyone here with two ears will listen!"

Jesus said: "Those who seek should not stop until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, they will reign over all, and then they will rest."

Jesus said: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom."

Thanks

[Hym]

And Jesus then spoketh from deep within his loins and doth proclaimed:

"I too am a naughty, naughty boy. I am the naughtiest of all naughty boys for I was engrossed in magic and fed off of the cult of personality and divested you, with this magic, of your ownership of your own will, your own good godhood, and the sheer joy of responsibility and freedom to choose your own life".

It was then written that after the most sincere of apologies he transported back to Mars. (This reference, as far as I can recall, is from the book by Rudolph Steiner "Jesus Was From Mars" a copy of which was at the Waldorf School's library my son once attended.)

[Bluegreen]

Hi rgray

Thank you for your interest and kind words. I am a mere student, second row, third desk, trying to pay attention. Basically, the pictures are my interpretation. But I too am interested, so here goes:


Jesus said: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom."

:dizzy: I don't know what this means, but like I say, I'm paying attention.


Jesus said: "Those who seek should not stop until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, they will reign over all, and then they will rest."

To me, this is about people like us: seekers who are aware of the Rockefellers and Rothschilds and their so-far-successful process of stealing the planet and its resources for their off-world masters with their Money-Making Fake War Machine, and our continuing efforts to shut them down and throw them in jail and free all of humanity, which I will see happen or die trying. I find it inspirational.

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and from me did the all extend.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me."

– Thomas 77

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[Matthew]

Hi Bluegreen

I would be interested in getting your interpretation of a few of these parables. I am genuinely interested to hear how you (or anyone else) would put these into simple language in today's world. If you don't want to or don't feel it is necessary that's fine but I would love to hear what people are thinking when they read these quotes. I have enjoyed viewing and reading this thread. I have listed a couple below that I am most curious about but choose any that you wish.
R


Hi! I'd like to play... umm but like Bluegreen said, I'm far from an authority - I can share what you asked: what I am thinking when I read these quotes. This one about the vineyard, and being troubled (disturbed) caught me and rings round my mind quite a lot.



Jesus said: "A man owned a vineyard and rented it to some farmers, so they could work it in return for a portion of the produce. He sent his slave to collect his portion of the vineyard's crop. The farmers grabbed him, beat him, and almost killed him. The slave returned and told his master, who said, 'Perhaps he didn't know them.' He sent another slave, and the farmers beat that one as well.

Then the master sent his son and said, 'Perhaps they'll show my son some respect.' Because they were aware he would inherit the vineyard, the farmers grabbed the son and killed him. Anyone here with two ears will listen!"

I like to guess the vineyard is our material plane, the man who rents the vineyard is God, and the farmers are us



Jesus said: "Those who seek should not stop until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, they will reign over all, and then they will rest."

Same as Bluebreen I interpreted this as a quest for truth, and the truth is not pleasant. Lovecraft says something similar except Lovecraft has a helpless sense of doom. I love Lovecraftian cosmic horror but he does mope around all helpless. Here is Lovecrafts quote about the horrible truth


“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity..."


**EDIT:: Hello DNA **

Take child abuse. Who wants to be aware of that? On Earth a creature typically eats creatures smaller than it, in a big chain of consumption, planets in space consume each other, it is a brutal, violent place where we live. The horror.

But instead of hopeless and maddening doom the Gospel of St Thomas Jesus quote doesn't dash all hope: when you see the truth, you will understand where others don't; you won't be surprised by the bad things, saddened but not surprised. That's why 'reign' makes sense to me in that context, because once you know the truth, however uncomfortable, you are, in some ways, more powerful



Jesus said: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom."

Nope, you got me here this sounds like gibberish to me. I thought I was starting to get it, but obviously not. I wonder if this is describing something like detachment of the ego greybeard talks about.

[greybeard]

Hi Bluegreen

I would be interested in getting your interpretation of a few of these parables. I am genuinely interested to hear how you (or anyone else) would put these into simple language in today's world. If you don't want to or don't feel it is necessary that's fine but I would love to hear what people are thinking when they read these quotes. I have enjoyed viewing and reading this thread. I have listed a couple below that I am most curious about but choose any that you wish.
R


Hi! I'd like to play... umm but like Bluegreen said, I'm far from an authority - I can share what you asked: what I am thinking when I read these quotes. This one about the vineyard, and being troubled (disturbed) caught me and rings round my mind quite a lot.



Jesus said: "A man owned a vineyard and rented it to some farmers, so they could work it in return for a portion of the produce. He sent his slave to collect his portion of the vineyard's crop. The farmers grabbed him, beat him, and almost killed him. The slave returned and told his master, who said, 'Perhaps he didn't know them.' He sent another slave, and the farmers beat that one as well.

Then the master sent his son and said, 'Perhaps they'll show my son some respect.' Because they were aware he would inherit the vineyard, the farmers grabbed the son and killed him. Anyone here with two ears will listen!"

I like to guess the vineyard is our material plane, the man who rents the vineyard is God, and the farmers are us



Jesus said: "Those who seek should not stop until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, they will reign over all, and then they will rest."

Same as Bluebreen I interpreted this as a quest for truth, and the truth is not pleasant. Lovecraft says something similar except Lovecraft has a helpless sense of doom. I love Lovecraftian cosmic horror but he does mope around all helpless. Here is Lovecrafts quote about the horrible truth


“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity..."

Take child abuse. Who wants to be aware of that? On Earth a creature typically eats creatures smaller than it, in a big chain of consumption, planets in space consume each other, it is a brutal, violent place where we live. The horror.

But instead of hopeless and maddening doom the Gospel of St Thomas Jesus quote doesn't dash all hope: when you see the truth, you will understand where others don't; you won't be surprised by the bad things, saddened but not surprised. That's why 'reign' makes sense to me in that context, because once you know the truth, however uncomfortable, you are, in some ways, more powerful



Jesus said: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom."

Nope, you got me here this sounds like gibberish to me. I thought I was starting to get it, but obviously not. I wonder if this is describing something like detachment of the ego greybeard talks about.


Think its pointing to spirit is formless neither male nor female--there is only consciousness which is all pervading--omnipresent--within and withut---when you see and feel things as they really are--see beyond the material ilusion--then you will enter the kingdom--Jesus sai it was within--think he meant removal of ignorance--in other words Self Realization--enlightenment--heaven.
Just guessing.
Chris

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “If two can make peace in a single house, they can say to a mountain, 'Move,' and the mountain will move."


The disciples said: “When will you appear to us? When will we see you?”

Jesus said: “When you strip naked without shame and jump up and down on your clothing just as little children, then you will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid.”


I think he is speaking literally.


http://craiglaurancegidney.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/blackjesus.jpg?w=525

[pueblo]

"Jesus said: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom."

I have read that this passage refers to Celestial Marriage of the Divine Sparks (us) with our Higher Selves (Eve-I am Presence). The two become one, neither male or female but unified, male and female.

When he talks about making an eye in place of an eye and hand in place of hand he is referring to changing the earthly/fleshy body into a Spiritual/Celestial body.

Similarly the quote below is about the two elements (the Divine Spark with the Higher Self) uniting ie.making peace . The Divine Spark is seen as being male while the Higher Self is female.


Jesus said: “If two can make peace in a single house, they can say to a mountain, 'Move,' and the mountain will move."

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “The kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it.

After so much trouble he said to the sheep, “I love you more than the ninety-nine.”

– Thomas 107


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How think ye? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

– Matthew 18:12

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Blessed is he who knows where the bandits are going to attack, so he can prepare, assemble his forces, and arm himself before they enter.”

– Thomas 103


http://cinephiliabeyond.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/11-3.jpg?x13370

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Blessed is the lion that a man eats, making the lion human. And damned is the man that a lion eats, because that lion will become human."

– Thomas 7


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[Bill Ryan]

Jesus said: "Blessed is the lion that a man eats, making the lion human. And damned is the man that a lion eats, because that lion will become human."

– Thomas 7

http://st.hzcdn.com/simgs/439168c8062e5ef8_4-5741/home-design.jpg

This got me very interested. I wondered, did Jesus really say that?

It seems he did. Or at least, it was definitely reported that he did.

From http://earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas7.html:

The Nag Hammadi Coptic Text:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/pic/coptic7.gif

Here are three different translations: (these three scholars are the three most referenced)

Beate Blatz:
Jesus said: "Blessed is the lion which the man eats, and the lion will become man; and cursed is the man whom the lion eats, and the lion will become man."
Bentley Layton:
Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion that the human being will devour so that the lion becomes human. And cursed is the human being that the lion devours; and the lion will become human."
Jean Doresse:
Jesus says: "Blessed is the lion which a man eats so that the lion becomes a man. But cursed is the man whom a lion eats so that the man becomes a lion!"
Scholarly Quotes:

F. F. Bruce writes: "The point of this seems to be that a lion, if eaten by a man, is ennobled by rising in the scale of being, whereas a man, if eaten by a lion, is degraded to a lower status than was originally his and may even risk missing the goal of immortality. It is not that we become what we eat but that what we eat becomes part of us (as in Walter de la Mare's poem 'Little Miss T-'). Whether, in addition, there is any special symbolism in the lion, as in 1 Peter 5.8 ('Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour'), is exceedingly difficult to determine." (Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament, p. 115)

Funk and Hoover write: "This saying is obscure. In antiquity the lion was known to be powerful and ferocious. Hunting lions was the sport of kings. The lion was often the symbol of royalty. The winged lion figures in apocalyptic visions, sometimes as the consort of God, at other times as a symbol of evil. In Rev 4:7, the four figures that surround the throne are the lion, the young bull, the human figure, and the eagle. These images were later adopted as symbols of the four canonical evangelists; the winged lion specifically became the symbol for the Gospel of Mark." (The Five Gospels, p. 477)

Funk and Hoover continue: "The lion was also used to symbolize human passions. Consuming the lion or being eaten by the lion may therefore have had to do with the relation to one's passions. Understood this way, the saying embodies an ascetic motif. At any rate, Jesus, who was reputed to be a glutton and a drunkard, probably did not coin this saying." (The Five Gospels, p. 477)

Marvin Meyer writes: "This riddle-like saying remains somewhat obscure. In ancient literature the lion could symbolize what is passionate and bestial. Hence this saying could suggest that although a human being may consume what is bestial or be consumed by it, there is hope for the human being - and the lion. In gnostic literature the ruler of this world (Yaldabaoth in the Secret Book of John) is sometimes said to look like a lion. This saying may ultimately be based upon statements in Plato, for instance his comparison (in Republic 588E-589B) of the soul to a being of three parts: a many-headed beast, a lion, and a human being. Plato recommends that the human part of the soul (that is, reason) tame and nourish the leonine part (that is, the passion of the heart)." (The Gospel of Thomas: The Hidden Sayings of Jesus, pp. 71-72)

Gerd Ludemann writes: "Verse 1 is about the humanization of bestial forces in human beings, v. 2 about human beings lapsing into a bestial nature. Because of the parallelism, I have emended the text in v. 2b, 'and the lion will become man', to the text above ['and the man will become lion']. The logion fits well with the ascetic-Gnostic circles which are interested in taming or humanization of bestial passions. They are often concerned with taming bestial natures, of which that of the lion is the strongest." (Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 593)

Jean Doresse writes: "No doubt the lion here represents human passions, or more precisely, the lying spirit of evil. This is suggested by a passage from a Coptic Manichaean Psalm (CCLVII): 'This lion which is within me, which defiles me at every moment, I have strangled it and cast it out of my soul. . . .'" (The Secret Books of the Egyptian Gnostics, p. 371)

Robert M. Grant and David Noel Freedman write: "This saying, as Doresse notes (page 134), is extremely obscure. From other sayings in Thomas we may infer that the lion can be eaten only if it is killed and becomes a corpse (60), and that knowing the world is equivalent to finding a corpse (57) - the world is not worthy of those who find such a corpse. The Gnostic who has eaten what is dead has made it living (Saying 10). Therefore, by eating the dead lion, which may be the hostile world (cf., 1 Peter 5:8: 'Your adversary the devil, like a raging lion . . .'), you can overcome the world by assimilating it to yourself. If the true inner man is consumed by the lion, and the lion becomes the man, the world has overcome the Gnostic (cf., Clement, Excerpta ex Theodoto, 84)." (The Secret Sayings of Jesus, p. 126)

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "I will destroy this house, and no one will be able to build it."

– Thomas 71


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Whoever has something in hand will be given more, and whoever has nothing will be deprived of even the little they have.”

– Thomas 41


http://anoutstretchedhand.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/outstretched-hand.gif

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The angels and the prophets will come to you and give you those things you already have. In turn, you give them what you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what is theirs?'"

– Thomas 88


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “A person cannot mount two horses or bend two bows, and a servant cannot serve two masters, or the servant will honor one and insult the other. No one who drinks aged wine suddenly wants fresh wine. Fresh wine is not poured into aged wineskins or they may break, and aged wine is not poured into a new wineskin or it may spoil. An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, as it may tear.”

– Thomas 47


http://stlukeskck.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/wineskin.png

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The kingdom is like a merchant who had a supply of merchandise and found a pearl. That merchant was prudent; he sold the merchandise and bought the pearl for himself.

So also with you, seek treasure that is unfailing, that does not decay, where no moth comes to eat and no worm destroys."

– Thomas 76

http://earthsky.org/upl/2013/06/pearl-e1496161773792.jpg

[greybeard]

The last two I think are about being single minded and discovering the pearl of Enlightenment which you have in your "hand"
Chris

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Adam came from great power and great wealth, but he was not worthy of you. Had he been worthy, he would not have tasted death."

– Thomas 85


http://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/creation-of-adam-michelangelo-buonarroti.jpg

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: “Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore.”

– Thomas 105


http://www.mr-amsterdam.com/media/images/attractions-sights/red-light-district-amsterdam/brothel-window-red-light-district-amsterdam.jpg

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits.

When you go into a region and walk about the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them.

After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; it is what comes out of your mouth that defiles."

– Thomas 14


http://cdn.tinybuddha.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Woman-Covering-Mouth.jpg

[Bluegreen]

Simon Peter said: "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life."

Jesus said: "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males, for every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom."

– Thomas 114


http://blottingoutgoddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/id-100394748.jpg?w=584

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this great thread with this very interesting video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxi5-6LdSpE
The YouTube text:

We have known of the existence of the Gospel of Thomas from ancient writers, but it was only after the discovery of the Nag Hammadi Codices that the actual text became available. The Gospel of Thomas is basically a collection of sayings, or logia, that sometimes seem similar, perhaps more primitive than sayings found in the canonical Gospels.

Sometimes, however, the sayings seem better explained as reflecting a "Gnostic" understanding of the world. This involves a rejection of the material world and a desire for gnosis, a secret knowledge, in order to escape the world and return to the divine being.


00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxi5-6LdSpE&t=0s) - Chapter 1. The Nag Hammadi Codices and Thomasine Literature.
10:35 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxi5-6LdSpE&t=635s) - Chapter 2. The Sayings of the Gospel of Thomas.
28:15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxi5-6LdSpE&t=1695s) - Chapter 3. Proto-orthodoxy and "Gnosticism".

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The harvest is great, but the workers few. Beseech the Master to send more workers to the field."

– Thomas 73


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7793/17342316920_3323d1152e_b.jpg

[Bluegreen]

The disciples said, "Your brothers and your mother are standing outside."

Jesus said, "Those here who do the will of my father are my brothers and my mother. It is they who will enter the kingdom."

– Thomas 99


http://i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/96/4c/cc964cf92d8ffad4c087f9cb2163a216.jpg

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The kingdom is like a person who has good seed. His enemy came during the night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The person did not let the workers pull up the weeds, but said to them, 'No, otherwise you might pull up the weeds and the wheat along with them.' On the day of the harvest the weeds will be conspicuous, and will be pulled up and burned."

– Thomas 57


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "I disclose my mysteries to those who are worthy of my mysteries. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."

– Thomas 62



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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "A city built on a high hill and fortified cannot fall, nor can it be hidden."

– Thomas 32


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus saw a Samaritan carrying a lamb. He said to his disciples, "What will he do with that lamb?"

They said, "He will kill it and eat it."

He said, "He will not eat it while it is alive, but only after he has killed it and it has become a carcass."

They said, "Otherwise he cannot do it."

Jesus said, "So be it with you. Seek a place of rest or you may become a carcass and be eaten."

– Thomas 60


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[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Let one who has become wealthy reign, and let one who has power renounce it."

– Thomas 81


http://www.medievalchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Bataille_de_Castillon_1453.jpg

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "One can't enter a strong person's house and take it by force without tying his hands. Then one can loot his house."

– Thomas 35
http://www.costumerusuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/X76468-X76469-web-1.jpg

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "The kingdom is like a person who had a treasure hidden in his field but did not know it. When he died he left it to his son, who did not know about it either, and sold the field. The buyer went plowing, discovered the treasure, and began to lend money at interest to whomever he wished."

– Thomas 109



http://static.miraheze.org/allthetropeswiki/9/90/Pirate_Treasure.jpg

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Blessed are the lonely and elect, for they will find the kingdom. They have come from it and will return again."

– Thomas 49


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[pueblo]

Jesus said: "Blessed are the lonely and elect, for they will find the kingdom. They have come from it and will return again."

– Thomas 49


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The verse answers the question in the song nicely,... "Where do they all belong?".

[Bill Ryan]

:bump: :bump: :bump:

:star: :star: :star: :star: :star:

[Bluegreen]

Jesus said: "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EORbL8N-R8

[Matthew]

Jesus said: "Those who seek should not stop until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, they will reign over all, and then they will rest."

– Thomas 2
...

Bumps Ahead

Bump this thread, and the two threads linked below.

The two threads below brought this quoted post (above) to mind. Its meaning is illusive but these two threads (below) feel related.

As above so below?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-I8iUzm7Ylys%2FVCL9ms2yeQI%2FAAAAAAAAFS0%2Ff2mvyE7HsuM%2Fs1600%2FBumps-Ahead-Should-I-Stay-or-Should-I-Go.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

The 2 paradigms: Understanding the 2 ways of living
(contains disturbing content)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113789-The-2-paradigms-Understanding-the-2-ways-of-living&p=1406598#post1406598


Are some animals not very magical?
(...tongue in cheek, probably doesn't contain enough disturbing content :o )
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113774-Are-some-animals-not-very-magical

Bump

Bump

Boing

[Matthew]

Analysis of the Gospel of St Thomas by Robert Ferrell at the King of Saints Tabernacle

Starts at 16m 39s, direct link to 16m 39s (https://youtu.be/hN2jnD1UNns?t=999)

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