Music and frequencies: a universal language?

[greybeard]

Sumarian Mathematics and more
This will also be of interest to musicians
Vibration 432.
Octaves
A very precise measurement.
A very interesting video.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygUuuQ2-jdc

[ulli]

Great video, Chris. Thanks for posting.

[Pam]

Thanks Chris. As an experiment I started listening to music produced at 432 Hz in the evening. I wasn't really expecting any noticeable results but I was surprised at the degree of relaxation and well being it created. It is particularly noticeable if I have any degree of anxiety when I start listening. Another interesting thing I have noticed is that I will have long suppressed memories pop up and there is a feeling of emotional release.

For those that are interested in trying this you can find a lot of options on YouTube.

[Valerie Villars]

Chris, I have often wondered about this since I had an extraordinary mystical experience related to and with music.

But, I don't know how to find out what HZ the music is recorded in. I'm not a musician.

Any musicians out there who could tell me if this is indicated on the album covers or information on the packaging?

[Rich]

There are some converters online, or 432hz players that automatically play on that pitch.
I read some comments however, that it's not the same as being recorded on 432hz.

Online converter:
https://www.conversion-tool.com/432hz/

App:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appums.music_pitcher&hl=en_US

[RogeRio]

The sexagesimal system (60) is a babylonian based numbers, that today we still use time clock hours and circular angles (360 g), among others math things.

This system is naturally capable to be divided by 1,2,3,4,5,6,10,12,15,20,30, and by 8 (60/8 = 7.5), and by 9 (60/9 = 6.6667), that both are not much strange numbers. The aim here its to make more easy and accurate calculations, using this ancient system.

If you close the potencial of math operations with this system, you can see that only the number 7 result strange (60/7 = 8.571428 ... ), like Pi (3.14..) Square Root of 2 (1.41421 ..), or the the Golden Ratio (1.6180339..), that are called irrational numbers.

I would not be surprised if the ancient esoterism around number seven was originated in this sexagesimal babylonian system (4+3=7). The dozen zodiac symbols and hours is coincidentally 4x3=12. Maybe you can say - seven its a distortion point of the system, or a math (irrational) fenomenom inside the sexagesimal system.

About 432 hertz tuning (A tone), superficially speaking, the current standard 440 hertz tuning make more distorced tones than the 432 hertz tunning, because in the 432 hertz (A) tunning there are only one distortion tone (F#) what does it look like number 7 in sexagesimal system. I think this can affect the vibrations we assimilate, while listening music.,

Note the diff (440-432 = 8) its very near, maybe similar (coincidentally??) to Shullmann resonance frequency of Planet Earth (7.83 hertz).

a good question here its the use of Standart Numeric System more capable to be usefull and accurated, causing minor distortions than others, and by this, " Could We Possibly Be Mistaken ", probably YES.

[RogeRio]

you can change the frequency using "Audacity" , a free media soft editor and recorder

https://sourceforge.net/projects/audacity/

[Carmody]

A place to sit in a nice comfortable bean bag chair while you contemplate all of this, as this is a big subject. So large that this thread does not even begin to touch the surface of it.

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[greybeard]

Thanks to whoever changed the title to the current one, which Is more appropriate.
Chris

[xylo]

About 432 hertz tuning (A tone), superficially speaking, the current standard 440 hertz tuning make more distorced tones than the 432 hertz tunning, because in the 432 hertz (A) tunning there are only one distortion tone (F#) what does it look like number 7 in sexagesimal system. I think this can affect the vibrations we assimilate, while listening music.

Rogparan, I do not understand.

Why would the harmonic resonance of different fundamental tones vary in terms of efficiency?

Thank you

xylo

[enfoldedblue]

My partner, Tom, and I got into this several years ago. We changed all our recorded music etc. Over time we haven't really kept up with it in terms of the recorded music, but Tom and several friends often tune their guitars to 432.

One friend who is a professional piano player scoffed at the idea. Recently this video popped up that I found interesting and helped me to possibly understand her perspective a little better.

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[Valerie Villars]

About 432 hertz tuning (A tone), superficially speaking, the current standard 440 hertz tuning make more distorced tones than the 432 hertz tunning, because in the 432 hertz (A) tunning there are only one distortion tone (F#) what does it look like number 7 in sexagesimal system. I think this can affect the vibrations we assimilate, while listening music.

Rogparan, I do not understand.

Why would the harmonic resonance of different fundamental tones vary in terms of efficiency?

Thank you

xylo

It's not efficiency. It's resonance.

Edit: Resonance to life. Technically it is efficiency because it's equipoise, which is efficiency of movement because you are in harmony with creation.

[RogeRio]

xylo,

> Why would the harmonic resonance of different fundamental tones vary in terms of efficiency?

Harmony and resonance are math divisions or multiples. Like musical octaves, our physical bodies and all substances there exists (or live) on this planet are intimately linked to the inner Planet Vibration Waves. They are (hamonically) connected by commom frequencies, and that way we can sense each other more good or more bad. Disarmonic waves and resonances can disturb the general Harmony, and so, I'm not sure if " efficiency " its a good word to use in this context, but its a good question to consider.

Let me show an example - When a nut and a bolt meet manufacturing standards (harmonic), they are more easier to handle, and more "" Efective "" to use them together.

[Sunny-side-up]

I always find it all quite mind boggling and beautiful, thx for that chris

A little observation:

432 also gives you a 45 degree angle.

[Wmel]

Hi all, this is my 2 cents on this topic:

1. Some argue that if 432Hz sound more soothing than 440Hz, should we try lower it down more to see if it could be more soothing, or must it be 432? Since Hz is our way of measuring the frequency, maybe 432 in ancient time is referring more to a specific ratio rather than 432Hz?
2. Some argue that tuning to 432Hz will still create disharmonious sound due to the tuning of instrument with equal temperament. So in the above example of pianist demonstrating that the chords sound out of tune, it is because the idea of shifting chords (moving away from the tonic) is an alien concept to many folk/world music. The tunings will make more sense if the foundation note, the drone remain the same note.

The above statement looks like I am against the idea of 432Hz music being more empowering and harmonizing. But in fact, I tune my instruments in 432 when playing alone to practically testify if there is something magical in there (lower tension for the instruments too). There are many arguments and debates about this topic in the internet and till this day I remain without a definite answer. I share my readings and doubts here for more reflection. Thank you.

[conk]

About 432 hertz tuning (A tone), superficially speaking, the current standard 440 hertz tuning make more distorced tones than the 432 hertz tunning, because in the 432 hertz (A) tunning there are only one distortion tone (F#) what does it look like number 7 in sexagesimal system. I think this can affect the vibrations we assimilate, while listening music.

Rogparan, I do not understand.

Why would the harmonic resonance of different fundamental tones vary in terms of efficiency?

Thank you

xyloLet's go back in time and ask the Nazis why. They were huge proponents of the 440 HZ resonance. They certainly weren't thinking of the betterment of mankind.

[DeeMetrios]

Hello Chris & to others that have watched & been amazed by the knowledge being shared in the above video .

The 15 minute video linked above , posted at you tube is not complete ................( should never have been posted at YT)

It is only half of part One of two video's which began in 2013 .

The above snippet is from the work of Eric Rankin & Directed by Allana Luna called ....

''Sonic Geometry: The Language of Frequency and Form''

There is an old thread here , which i have updated with part 2 & added some extras too .....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70833-Sonic-Geometry-The-Language-of-Frequency-and-Form&highlight=sonic+geometry

To Chris & Mods
I do not mean to derail or redirect the thread here , just perhaps combine both threads into one "if possible" say a merge ?
And move it to an appropriate section of the forum .
(which we do not have at present) though Alternative Science is the closest i think ?


Anyway , here's the video above in its entirety , as was meant to be seen by its Creators

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Cheers
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[Victoria]

I leave surround sound 432 Hz classical music on for my dogs when I leave the house each day and within minutes of turning it on, they are peacefully resting--including my neurotic Husky.
They never even recognize when I come home, if I leave the music on, until after I am in the door. However, if I leave any other kind/frequency of music on, they bark up a storm and are restless
before I ever get close to home. :-)